General Debate 14 July 2012

July 14th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    So you are all sleeping in then?

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  2. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Lazy buggers.

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  3. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    You can’t scare me.
    I have a daughter.

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  4. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    http://screencast.com/t/jTVJW1vC

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  5. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    http://screencast.com/t/eSFkV5Ws91

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  6. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Yep you’se lazy buggers are all still in bed.

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  7. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    http://screencast.com/t/zxTosKYURK

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  8. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Fashion wear for rainy days.

    http://screencast.com/t/LZVT98ntIg

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  9. Fletch (6,375 comments) says:

    *pokes*

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  10. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    V2

    You are beginning to look like a ‘P’ blogger :)

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  11. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    http://screencast.com/t/cehRSEwdfp

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  12. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Shit. Bruv

    http://screencast.com/t/XmkpzqWq

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  13. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    you could at least deliver coffee.

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  14. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    ok, fashion for rainy days? thats just nit necessary at this time of the morning.

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  15. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Could have been worse. Coulkd have been an old fella full frontal.

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  16. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    The UN deception:

    Why is it that some of you clearly see straight through things like the UN, but you completely fail to similarly see straight through things like the IMF, the World Bank and 911?

    And why is it that other people who see straight through things like the IMF, the World Bank and 911, completely fail to similarly see straight through things like the UN?

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  17. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Wahine,
    http://screencast.com/t/8jnzQ1eprim3

    Coffee on the way.

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  18. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Go away reid this is a fun day on KB.

    No politics, relgion,justice or philu

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  19. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    What about those mighty Hurricanes last night?

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  20. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Wahine.
    Your coffee.

    http://screencast.com/t/G9W0y2GFid

    Anything else you would like while I’m here?

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  21. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    mikenmild .. yeah baby, still smilling

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  22. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Wahine.
    For all your fans.

    You and coffee.
    http://screencast.com/t/YtSP9gCO

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  23. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    I see Turia is in the Herald again wearing her silly hat .. every time I see the symbol on it, I think of the NZ Railways .. copyright theft?

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  24. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    And not to be left out. For MM and DVM

    http://screencast.com/t/kLm4yp9tkd

    Have a fun day. All day 21sy to attend. Oh and the suns out.
    Great

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  25. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    awwww Viking… cin cin

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  26. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Pity about them Hurricanes really. On 57 points they aint gonna get thru and it knocked the Chiefs into 2nd place.
    But Crusaders to win it anyways.

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  27. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Force to beat Crusaders and Warratahs to beat Reds tonight and it’s all on.

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  28. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Cripes V2.

    Go a bit slower hitting the turps today than you did GD. What was it? New pacemaker battery?

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  29. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Force to beat the Crusaders? are you on crack?

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  30. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Wishful thinking; more likely to be an upset from SA to let the Hurricanes through.

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  31. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Nah, up eartlier than everyone else.
    no Turps.

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  32. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Bulls Sharks and Reds to win. Hurricanes to end up eighth.

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  33. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    ‘After decades of rising prices, hostile foreign suppliers and warnings that Americans will have to bicycle to work, the world faces the possibility of vast amounts of cheap, plentiful fuel. And the source for much of this new supply? The U.S…Natgas prices have plunged 83% since their December 2005 peak…”It could open the floodgates of investment in the U.S.”‘

    http://news.investors.com/article/617867/201207111856/natural-gas-shale-output-promises-big-economic-benefits.htm?p=full

    And the Greens, having for years been warning about the terrible consequences of their imagined peak-oil, are now actually seeking to bring about man-made peak-oil by preventing these resources being exploited. They are like those crazy Christians who act out shit from the Bible in order to bring about the end of the world. Truly, truly evil people.

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  34. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    You need 2 upsets, not one.

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  35. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Something for dime’s new house.

    http://screencast.com/t/Cu3YtWj2N

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  36. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    It’s difficult to avoid the growing number of reports and supporting science on climate change.

    Temperatures climbing, weather more unstable, a majority says in poll

    Most Americans say they believe temperatures around the world are going up and that weather patterns have become more unstable in the past few years, according to a new poll from The Washington Post and Stanford University.

    The findings come as the federal government released a report Tuesday suggesting the connection between last year’s severe weather and climate change. According to the study issued by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, changes fueled by the burning of fossil fuels made the 2011 heat wave in Texas 20 times more likely to occur compared with conditions in the 1960s.

    Americans polled by The Post and Stanford do see climate change as occurring: Six in 10 say weather patterns around the world have been more unstable in the past three years than previously, a perception that’s changed little since 2006. Nearly as many also say average temperatures were higher during the past three years than before that.

    In terms of what can be done about it, about 55 percent say a “great deal” or “good amount” can be done to reduce future global warming. At the same time, 60 percent of those polled say it will be extremely or very difficult for people to stop it.

    I know this may bring out the usual splutters of denial that nothing is changing but what is changes naturally, but the science is stacked heavily one way towards “World, we have a problem”.

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  37. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Colville
    Please don’t rain on my parade: I need Waratahs over Reds and Cheetahs over Sharks to set the world to rights. Stranger things have happened: “That horse becoming Pope,” as Baldrick would say.

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  38. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    This sort of report is typical:

    Extreme heat linked to climate change

    Climate change increased the odds for the kind of extreme weather that prevailed in 2011, a year that saw severe drought in Texas, unusual heat in England and was one of the 15 warmest years on record, scientists reported today.

    In the 22nd annual “State of the Climate” report, experts also found the Arctic was warming about twice as fast as the rest of the planet, on average, with Arctic sea ice shrinking to its second-smallest recorded size.

    Tuesday’s report came one day after NOAA announced statistics for the continental United States, showing that the past 12 months were the hottest such period on record and the first six month of 2012 were the hottest such period on record, with more than 170 all-time heat records matched or broken.

    The full report is available online at http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/bams-state-of-the-climate/2011.php

    Highlights are at http://www.climatewatch.noaa.gov/article/2012/state-of-the-climate-in-2011-highlights/2

    It’s hard to find science that argues against it.

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  39. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Not science Pete, its called politicised-science or pseudo-science.

    What happened to CO2 causes catastrophic global warming?
    Now CO2 isn’t warming the planet’s climate as predicted by the IPCC you are buying into this new scare?
    Why don’t you look at the numbers?
    Throughout the recorded history of the Earth’s climate, extreme weather events have always occurred somewhere, and are caused by large-scale atmosphere ocean flow patterns and their complex interaction with local/regional weather and climate features.
    Check the 1920s and 1930s, known as the Dust Bowl years which caused some of the most extreme climate over the Great American Plains and elsewhere. At the same time the Western Australian town of Marble Bar set a world record for the most consecutive days above 38 °C which is still not broken. These record temperatures followed some of most extreme cold winters of the 1910s and 1920s.
    During the 1950s and 1960s most of Canada had extreme cold winters, with record breaking low temperatures. At the same time prolonged severe drought and heat wave occurred in the early 1950s throughout the central and southern United States. In some areas it was drier than during the Dust Bowl and the heat wave in most areas was within the top five on record.
    If you look at the records you will find that ‘extreme’ (What is normal anyway?) weather events have not increased. Since the 1920s the world population has tripled and more people are affected by ‘extreme’ weather events making them more costly. In those 80 years weather monitoring and communication has also improved. Just because more people are affected and we monitor everything globally doesn’t mean the weather has become more extreme.
    The climate has changed? Sure, it has been changing for the last 4 billion years. The weather has become more extreme, hardly.
    And they are going to blame this fabricated crisis again on the 0.117% atmospheric CO2 from human activity?

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  40. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Pete George at 9:27 am

    It’s called weather Peter.
    You know, cold, wet, dry, warm.
    Shit happens and somewhere on this planet a record will be set EVERY day.
    The ‘extreme weather (What is extreme Pete?) in the US was caused by two back-to-back La Niñas. The NOAA report will tell you that. That is, if you read the report and not the bits released by the climate activists.

    You know what Pete.
    Just when you thought it was safe…
    Now the Climate is influenced by nuclear research
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-07/sp-nws071312.php

    So, coal is out, oil is out, gas is out (Fracking is bad!), nuclear is out.
    Whats left?
    Sun and wind.

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  41. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    The Prime Minister’s retailing of that nonsense last week would chime with a view that Crown Law has not been allowed a convincing theory of the case, because it would not fit with the ‘no ownership’ nonsense. .

    The Key government sacrificed intellectual integrity to Eddie Durie J’s slippery inventions in the report the preceded their replacement of the Seabed and Foreshore Act That was apparently (like the unbelievable decision to support the draft Declaration of Indigenous Rights) in the hope that gratitude or even friendship can be bought from Maori leaders.

    Instead it has marked our government as a shill for the mulcting. As I explained also in February this year Maori leaders are shrewder and tougher opportunists than the politicians who think they are their patrons.

    http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/?p=4560

    Stephen’s usual rigourous anaylysis of the the Law and the politicians who either bend or never understand the Law.

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  42. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    I’ve been reading today’s GD and I reckon snappy on-or-two-liners work much better than long tedious essays. Who agrees/disagrees?

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  43. wreck1080 (3,906 comments) says:

    Te Amohia McQueen has started buying butter again. She stopped 18 months ago when it was nearly $5 for 500g.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10819470

    Perhaps she should have thought a little more before spitting out 5 sprogs.

    It is not that she cannot afford butter ,it is that she cannot afford 5 kids but chose to do so anyway.

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  44. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    “I’ve been reading today’s GD and I reckon snappy on-or-two-liners work much better than long tedious essays. Who agrees/disagrees?”

    Right on!

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  45. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Well, brevity is the soul of wit, as the poet says.

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  46. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Dave Mann.
    You mean like this?

    http://screencast.com/t/pYhTUPJ5

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  47. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Or, as another put it:
    A tale should be judicious, clear, succinct;
    The language plain, and incidents well linked;
    Tell not as new what everybody knows;
    And, new or old, still hasten to a close.

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  48. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Congress is outraged the US Olympic uniforms were made in China.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10819337

    Too bad they haven’t been able to manufacture similar outrage against all the big corporations who’ve been massively offshoring all their operations since the 90’s thus placing the US economy in the extremely parlous state it is in fact now in where the only way out of the hole that Wall Street has dug for it (again, courtesy of the politicians), is to have a nice big war. Maybe it has something to do with all those donations said big corporations give to the politicians, vs. the complete lack of them, from the US Olympic Committee.

    No wonder approval of politicians is at an all-time low in the states. What a bunch of fucking morons eh? Anyone would be for forgiven for thinking they’ve done it on purpose.

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  49. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Andy Knight V8 racing car driver and the police have been taking a hammering in the press comments section this week. Usually the police have their loyal supporters but very few this time . Knight is the bozo who got into a car with a young girl then got her to drive him all over CHCH. She had been sitting innocently at the traffic lights. The outrage started when she complained to the Press about why he wasn’t charged with any offense.
    He supposedly comes from a ”good ” meaning rich family in CHCh , a prominent business family..etc Heck even All Blacks and League players occasionally have to pay fines.
    Yesterday’s police response from the Commissioner no less , was childish , subjective , patronising and inadequate.. It seems to be all about cost cutting but you are far more likely to reap the benefits of cost cutting if you come from a ”good” family. Where are the one law for all types when you need them? Good to see some things in CHCH haven’t changed.

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  50. wiseowl (891 comments) says:

    Viking.
    Thanks for the Franks alert.

    Why is it we have no National Party MP’s willing to step up and confront this crap?

    I know the answer.

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  51. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    I just noticed. Reid has stopped playing undercover boss. Do we all get a bonus handout and free medical care?

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  52. cha (4,010 comments) says:

    It must be fun being an Olympian.

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  53. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    A couple of takes on David Shearer and his position on water: Flak jackets versus water proof coatings

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  54. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Reid has stopped playing undercover boss.

    ?

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  55. jaba (2,141 comments) says:

    depending on wind direction, aeroplanes fly over my property to get to and from Akl Airport. Now these people are making money flying over my land .. I am my section and my section is me .. I deserve a cut of the action.

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  56. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    The leaping Jimmy disguise has been shed.

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  57. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Thanks. First it became an old joke. Then it was just tragic.

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  58. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    Looking forward to buying t-shirt of:-

    —–Che Turia—-

    Heard they will be on sale Monday latest – great souvenir.

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  59. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    In this whole water debacle it seems Russel Norman is trying to fan the flames between the Maori Party and National.
    Russel Norman and the Greens reminds me of the kids in the playground standing around watching an argument between two others shouting:
    “Fight, fight, fight…..!”

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  60. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    BTW, happy Bastille Day to the cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

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  61. Manolo (13,754 comments) says:

    The very delicate Charlie Chauvel is at it again: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/7273057/Labour-Alcohol-advertising-all-pervasive

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  62. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    One explanation for the frequency of extreme weather patterns is that the hydrological cycle has become energised as a result of human activity, creating droughts and floods through deforestation and water usage. Water is evaporating into the atmosphere at a greater rate thereby creating more extreme weather patterns and it is only now that people are beginning to notice it.
    “Global Warming” as a result of increased CO2 emissions is only a part of the problem, not the cause. The real fault for the increased evapotranspiration lies in how we use or abuse the water resources of this planet.

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  63. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    In this whole water debacle it seems Russel Norman is trying to fan the flames between the Maori Party and National.

    Of course he is, as is Shearer. Wussel however has spent more time at the Lower Hutt hearings than any other MP, indicating the Gweens are going to make a show of supporting Maowi on this issue, which will create an extremely interesting, if divisive, political dynamic.

    I think the Gweens in their profound stupidity and naivity are calculating that if they can get weally weally close to Maowi on this issue, then that means lots and lots and lots of Maowi won’t go back to Liarbore but will come flocking to the Gweens and won’t that be a wonderful thing and evewyone will be happy fowever and fowever. Goodness aren’t we weally weally cwever, I can hear Wussel and Meteria saying to themselves. Unfortunately the fucking mentals have forgotten one small problem.

    If any non-Maori politicians support Maowi on this, it drives a huge, massive stake right through the pakeha goodwill that the entire tiriti process has generated ever since it started 30 years ago. There is no way in hell that even the most generous, naive and well-meaning pakeha will ever accept Maori have property rights over water, when Pakeha don’t. That is simply I predict, a step too far. Leaving aside for one second the strong probability that water is only the start, next its wind and geothermal energy, as well. But this is what is at stake if Maori don’t back down on this issue, which they are showing no sign of doing.

    Quite frankly for the good of race relations harmony in this country, all the non-Maori politicians have to tell Maori to get stuffed on this issue. That’s the only way to manage it.

    Liarbore will find it will heavily lose support if it tries to back Maori on this and so will the Gweens. But I predict that unlike Liarbore, the Gweens will charge ahead anyway, bleating about “human wights” and “but it’s a taonga” and shit like that, because they’re too fucking mental to understand that no, what it is, is Maori trying yet again, to clip the ticket. That’s all it is, but as usual, the Gweens are so profoundly soft in the head, they don’t recognise it even when its as blatant as this attempt.

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  64. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    “creating more extreme weather patterns”
    Could you define ‘extreme’?
    And what is ‘normal’?
    More extreme than 8000 years ago, what about 2.000.000 years ago, or even a 1000 years ago?
    Or do you base your conclusions on the last 100 years, ignoring the other 4.499.999.900 years?

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  65. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    MM#

    Since they bombed us, we should join in with the likes of these yanks –

    “We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it.” —Marge Simpson

    “I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me.” —General George S. Patton

    “Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion.” —Norman Schwartzkopf

    “As far as I’m concerned, war always means failure.” —Jacques Chirac, President of France

    “As far as France is concerned, you’re right.” —Rush Limbaugh

    “The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee.” —Regis Philbin

    “You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn’t have the face for it.” —John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona

    “They’ve taken their own precautions against Al Qaeda. To prepare for an attack, each Frenchman is urged to keep duct tape, a white flag, and a three-day supply of mistresses in the house.” —Argus Hamilton

    The next time there is a war in Europe the loser has to keep France.

    “I don’t know why people are surprised that France won’t help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn’t help us get the Germans out of France!” —Jay Leno

    “The last time the French asked for ‘more proof,’ it came marching into Paris under a German flag.” —David Letterman

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  66. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    @PG

    How many Americans believe in Intelligent Design and that Aliens have already landed and are amongst us?

    If the majority of yanks believe in something that probably makes it less likely to be true.

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  67. kowtow (8,445 comments) says:

    to the climate alarmists; don’t panic,it’s just a blocked jetstream,shit happens.

    French national day; ah yes,celebrating civil war,massacre and mayhem. Republican merde.

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  68. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Thanks for that Harriet….
    My father told me that during WWII some people in Europe use to say (Only half jokingly) that:
    When the English started bombing, the Germans dived for cover.
    When the Germans started bombing, the English and the Americans dived for cover.
    When the Americans started bombing, everybody dived for cover.

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  69. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    And there I was, thinking it was all about liberté, égalité, fraternité.

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  70. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    No such thing as conspiracy!!

    Absolute conspiracy

    Libor

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  71. David Garrett (7,271 comments) says:

    Why do avenues in France tend to have trees planted along them?

    So the German soldiers can march in the shade…

    How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?

    Who knows, it’s never been done….

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  72. kowtow (8,445 comments) says:

    dg
    not too far off on the trees, I heard they were planted by the tyrant Napoleon to shade his armies on the march.

    The french revolution, a power grab by ruthless middle class lawyers,dressed up and excused in easy sounding platitudes.

    Mind you we “Anglos”have benefitted from it with some good literature and ripping yarns like Hornblower, Scarlet Pimpernel, the Master and Commander series.So I suppose we can thank the revolution for something.
    Actually my favourite is Waterloo ,pity the Prussians are no longer around.The Germans were always a natural ally( until that fool William II) ,unlike the Frogs.

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  73. wikiriwhis business (3,996 comments) says:

    Big pharma now directly taxes Americans under Obama care

    This vid also explains TPP and it’s evil

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  74. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Apparently it’s called a barqua
    http://redperil.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/guide-dog-for-a-muslim-woman/

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  75. Andrei (2,644 comments) says:

    LOL – crucifiction of democracy

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  76. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    This vid also explains TPP and it’s evil

    I’m not sanguine about it either wiki. But its going to happen, no question about that.

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  77. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    Happy Bastille Day to Yvette and to all other francophiles. There’s a great Bastille Day rugby memory here:

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/bastille-day.html

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  78. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Shaolin monk vs US Navy SEAL

    http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=shaolin%20monk%20vs%20u.s%20navy%20seals&tnr=21&vid=4738835629146143&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts4.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D4738835629146143%26id%3D04c0468ffd1e8efcd465c446a0c2a35d%26bid%3DiFMH%E2%80%8BNWmRNK2KaA%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.youtube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253dVr7sBFhwDzI&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVr7sBFhwDzI&sigr=11a7uujdt&newfp=1&tit=Shaolin+Monk+vs+U.S.+Navy+SEALs+Boxer+KO

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  79. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    We wonder and we wonder.
    chch again.

    Jumping collapses venue floor
    Structural engineers will investigate why the floor of a new $2.5 million events centre collapsed during a Christchurch hip-hop concert.

    A Canterbury University concert was abandoned last night after part of the floor at its new multimillion-dollar venue collapsed during a performance.

    The concert, The Perfect Storm, was held at the university’s new $2.5 million temporary events centre.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7279448/Jumping-collapses-venue-floor
    Brand new since the earthquake.
    Time to close that place down and turn it into a lake just like Sir Robert suggested.

    But then it is Christchurch I suppose.

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  80. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Reid

    TinyUrl would be a good idea…..

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  81. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    This is great:

    http://lightbox.time.com/2012/07/12/interactive-panorama-step-inside-the-large-hadron-collider/#end

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  82. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/07/warren-buffett-i-could-end-the-deficit-in-5-minutes/

    Buffet:

    “I could end the deficit in 5 minutes. You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP all sitting members of congress are ineligible for reelection.”

    Congressional Reform Act of 2012

    1. No Tenure / No Pension.

    A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they’re out of office.

    2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.

    All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

    3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

    5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

    6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

    7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 12/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.

    Congress made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

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  83. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Really good time lapse:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/jscottrakozy?annotation_id=annotation_820813&src_vid=O4phNqUdu7c&feature=iv

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  84. Manolo (13,754 comments) says:

    As if we need another reason to despise the UN: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8499205/gordon-brown-named-un-special-envoy

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  85. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    wiseowl (140) Says:
    July 14th, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Viking.
    Thanks for the Franks alert.

    Why is it we have no National Party MP’s willing to step up and confront this crap?

    I know the answer.

    Though the elderly Sir Graham Latimer is not playing an active role in the presentation of the council’s case, his presence at Waiwhetu marae in Lower Hutt and his name on court papers as first claimant at the Waitangi Tribunal hearing should serve as a warning. It was Sir Graham who initiated court action over fisheries, in a major lands case, and over radio spectrum.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10819504

    Um, expresident of the National Party and instigator of the infiltration of Maori into the National Party and the arms of the State. Aided and abetted by no less than the bro from Remuera by the name of douglas. no less.

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  86. Manolo (13,754 comments) says:

    Back to “modern” NZ: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/hamilton-mum-jailed-breastfeeding-p-4968412

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  87. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/noble-men-sacrificing-their-jobs.html

    Add this to the above Manolo

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  88. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Wellington

    The New Zealand Navy intercepted three boatloads of people off the East coast of Northland.

    This placed the Navy in an awkward position as the boats were heading not away from, but towards China.

    Another surprise finding was that they were loaded with Kiwis who were all seniors of pension age.

    Their claim was that they were trying to get to China so as to be able to return to New Zealand as illegal immigrants and therefore be entitled to far more benefits than they were receiving as legitimate New Zealand pensioners.

    The Navy, it is believed, gave them food, water and fuel and assisted them on their journey North.

    Tickets for the next boat out are selling fast

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  89. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Viking2

    “Their claim was that they were trying to get to China so as to be able to return to New Zealand as illegal immigrants and therefore be entitled to far more benefits than they were receiving as legitimate New Zealand pensioners.”

    Like the story V2 but id it true?
    Are illigal immigrants entitled to far more benefits than New Zealand pensioners?

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  90. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Ask Winston.

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  91. nasska (11,479 comments) says:

    Since it’s Bastille Day:

    Q. Why does the French flag have Velcro?

    A. So the blue and red sections are easily removed during a time of war.

    Q. A French War Hero, a peaceful Muslim and the Loch Ness Monster are sitting in a bar.
    Who is the odd one out?

    A. The Loch Ness Monster, because there is a chance that he actually exists.

    Q. How can you recognise a French war veteran?

    A. Sunburned armpits.

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  92. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    I feel as if the American taxpayer has suffered the greatest theft ever.

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  93. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    There was the famous Google bomb for a while where if one searched for ‘French miltary victories'; Google asked ‘Did you mean French military defeats?’

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  94. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    But here is a condensed military history of France:

    – Gallic Wars
    – Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian. [Or at ths time in history, a Roman -ed.]

    – Hundred Years War
    – Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; “France’s armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman.” Sainted.

    – Italian Wars
    – Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

    – Wars of Religion
    – France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

    – Thirty Years War
    – France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

    – War of Revolution
    – Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

    – The Dutch War
    – Tied

    – War of the Augsburg League/King William’s War/French and Indian War
    – Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

    – War of the Spanish Succession
    – Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

    – American Revolution
    – In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as “de Gaulle Syndrome”, and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; “France only wins when America does most of the fighting.”

    – French Revolution
    – Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

    – The Napoleonic Wars
    – Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

    – The Franco-Prussian War
    – Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France’s ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

    – World War I
    – Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it’s like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn’t call her “Fraulein.” Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

    – World War II
    – Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

    – War in Indochina
    – Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

    – Algerian Rebellion
    – Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; “We can always beat the French.” This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

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  95. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    These are the consequences of [the American taxpayer suffering the greatest theft ever]:

    and

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  96. nasska (11,479 comments) says:

    An British gentleman well in his eighties arrived in Paris by plane.

    At the French immigration desk, the man took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry-on bag.

    “You have been to France before, Monsieur?” the Immigration officer asked, sarcastically.

    The elderly gentleman admitted he had been to France previously.

    “Then you should know well enough to have your passport ready.”

    The British gentleman says, “The last time I was here, I didn’t have to show it.”

    “Impossible. The British always have to show their passports on arrival in France!”

    The elderly gentleman gave the French Immigration Officer a long hard look.

    Then he quietly explained;

    “Well, the last time I was here, I came ashore on Juno Beach on D-Day in June 1944, and I couldn’t find any fucking Frenchmen to show it to.”

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  97. kowtow (8,445 comments) says:

    In the Gallic wars ,the French were actually Celts so that one doesn’t count

    In WW2 the French opposed the Allied landings in North Africa(and even court martialled and shot Frenchmen who assisted the Allies!)
    bombed Gibraltar
    fought against Australians and British troops in Syria and a majority of the Vichy forces there opted not to join the allies when given the opportunity
    assisted the Luftwaffe in Syria to threaten the Allied flank in the Middle East
    the majority of it’s navy stayed on the Vichy side.

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  98. Steve (North Shore) (4,560 comments) says:

    @ Viking2 at 3.22pm.

    Jumping collapses venue floor. Cat Pause should be asked to explain. Bad design or bad people?
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7279448/Jumping-collapses-venue-floor

    Perfect for her to gain any credibility about the Fat excuses

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  99. nasska (11,479 comments) says:

    A long time ago, Britain and France were at war. During one battle, the French captured an English colonel. They took him to their headquarters, and the French general began to question him.
    Finally, as an afterthought, the French general asked, Why do you English officers all wear red coats? Don’t you know the red material makes you easier targets for us to shoot at.
    In his bland English way, the officer informed the general that the reason English officers wear red coats is so that if they are shot, the blood won’t show, and the men they are leading won’t panic.
    And that is why, from that day to this, all French Army officers wear brown trousers.

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  100. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    HAARP – shame it’s not discussed in the MSM. Why is that, do ya think?

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  101. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Because there isn’t much that is newsworthy about it. Ionosphere research isn’t a sexy subject to write about.

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  102. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Yes chiz. Perhaps you should consider the possibility others know more about something than you know. Or hasn’t that possibility yet occurred, to you?

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  103. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Perhaps you should consider the possibility that they don’t. Nick Begich has a degree from an institution that teaches Ayurveda and Homeopathy. He’s a crackpot. I remember watching a BBC doco about HAARP many years ago which went into detail about how the conspiracy theorists were taking things out of context.

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  104. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    For people who don’t want to eat in to their data caps, or their time, by watching the video that reid linked to, you can find a summary here.

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  105. nasska (11,479 comments) says:

    Reid

    Following on from your 8.02 I went for a look on Google to find out a little more. Without commenting on any USA involvement it would seem that the connection between certain cloud formations & earthquakes has been long noted.

    …”Earthquake cloudsIn chapter 32 of his work Brihat Samhita, Indian scholar Varahamihira (505 – 587) discussed a number of signs warning of earthquakes: Unusual animal behavior, astrological influences, underground movements of water, and extraordinary clouds occurring a week before the earthquake.”….

    Ref: http://pinewooddesign.co.uk/2008/05/12/earthquake-cloud-prediction/

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  106. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Perhaps people interested in HAARP should look at this:

    http://www.google.co.nz/search?aq=f&sugexp=chrome,mod=13&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=haarp

    then ask themselves if there’s nothing in it, how come there’s 10,300,000 links?

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  107. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    What disinformation have I posted? Just because there a large number of links on the internet to something it doesn’t follow that its true.

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  108. Steve (North Shore) (4,560 comments) says:

    Reid, can you send some sort of messege to my Mum please? I told her about this animal behavior when people (mamals) act strange.
    I’m sure she will get from the radio waves about 3am

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  109. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Chiz, in terms of educating yourself: if you don’t understand the ayurvedas, you understand nothing.

    I don’t really have time to educate you in those. How about get in touch, in say, 10 years? That’s about the time I estimate it will take for you immature ego to transform into what it needs to, to comprehend.

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  110. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    I realise I may well be tempting fate but…..has the drug fucked one been banned?

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  111. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    What immature ego? Ayurvedic medicine is descended from the ancient Greek theory of humors. It is pseudoscience. If you don’t understand this then take some time to learn some basic science. Like a lot of crackpots you seem to be very close-minded and to have difficulty accepting that the scientific community has a better understanding of things than you think

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  112. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    No he’s been curiously absent, BB.

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  113. nasska (11,479 comments) says:

    big bruv

    Haven’t seen a word to confirm or deny the theory. I think that most are wary of offending the gods by mentioning the subject.

    Probably in another year or so we’ll just laugh nervously & look the other way when someone mentions the dreaded name.

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  114. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    chiz, you clearly wish to take me on.

    What if I don’t wish to take you on?

    What happens then?

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  115. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    I have no such wish. I’m just pointing out that some of your claims are baseless.

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  116. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Which ones?

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  117. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Haarp, ayurveda etc.

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  118. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    chiz: Sigh.

    OK.

    HAARP does exist, there are photos.

    In order to understand HAARP, you need to understand Tesla’s research, in detail. What’s your level on 1-10;

    1 being, people who watch telly to get their news and would probably think Tesla, the man on the telly in “this episode” was their local milkman, notwithstanding milkmen disappeared some time ago.

    10 being: you have read all about Tesla
    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/10-inventions-of-nikola-tesla-that.html

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  119. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Of course HAARP exists, I’m not disputing that. However it is just an ionospheric research program, nothing more. All the stuff about it being a weather weapon, an earthquake weapon, or being involved in mind-control is just nonsense.

    And yes, I know who Tesla is. I have a degree in maths, among other things and I think its safe to say I have a better understanding of physics than you. Tesla has nothing to do with HAARP that I’m aware of unless you are talking about basic stuff such as Alternating Current. That Tesla site isn’t very good – Tesla didn’t invent the laser, there is no life force etc.

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  120. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    chiz,do you seriously believe, given you know “who Tesla is” that Tesla has nothing to do with HAARP? If so, how. e.g.

    I think its safe to say I have a better understanding of physics than you

    So tell us chiz, how HAARP works. I’m waiting with baited breath.

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  121. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Why? If you want to know how it works you can read the details on various websites. Start with the wikipedia.

    Perhaps you can explain what relationship Tesla and his work is supposed to have with HAARP. I assume you have watched the video in its entirety, unlike me, so you can presumably fill me on the supposed details. What exactly is his connection with ionospheric heating? I don’t see it. As far as I can tell he only comes into it because he is popular with the crackpot crowd.

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  122. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Perhaps you can explain what relationship Tesla and his work is supposed to have with HAARP.

    Certainly chiz.

    Tesla’s research focused on electromagnetism. Duh. That’s the relationship. Sorry if you don’t understand.

    As far as I can tell he only comes into it because he is popular with the crackpot crowd.

    Possibly because that’s because you have no idea who he really was Chiz and you don’t wan’t to know. Certainly anyone who denigrates Tesla has no idea who he’s denigrating.

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  123. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Yes, but specifically what does Tesla have to do with HAARP? Claiming that he is linked because, duh, he worked on electromagnetism, and that HAARP uses electromagnetism is silly. Using the same kind of reasoning you could argue that the people who first discovered metal thousands of years ago are linked to HAARP because, hey, HAARP uses metal.

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  124. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    chiz, I’m sorry for you that you can’t understand Tesla’s research but I hardly feel it’s my job to walk you through the basics.

    Sorry, but you know, if you claim to be tertiary qualified then there is a point when you need to stand on your own two feet.

    His research is not my opinion, chiz. His research stands on its own. I really do think you should look it up yourself.

    specifically what does Tesla have to do with HAARP?

    You mean other than inventing the base technology in the 1930’s?

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  125. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Well, you don’t have to go into details, just give me pointers.

    I know he did some early research on the ionosphere and discovered the schumann resonance, but I’m still not sure what the connection specifically with HAARP is. Why do I “need to understand Tesla’s research” to understand what HAARP is doing. I knew about the schumann resonance long before I knew that Tesla had anything to do with it, and I suspect that most books on the Ionosphere will only mention Tesla’s name in a historical context. Its perfectly possible to understand Ionospheric physics without knowing the names of the people who did pioneering experiments on it, just as its possible to understand modern electronics without being intricately familiar with the work of its pioneers.

    As far as I can I tell Tesla only comes into this, as I’ve said before, because his name has a certain cachet with the crackpot crowd. You have yet to give any reason to believe otherwise.

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  126. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    You mean other than inventing the base technology in the 1930′s?

    Thats like claiming that I need to be familiar with Marconi’s work to understand modern radio. The field has moved on a lot since then.

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  127. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    By way of example, suppose that someone invented a new kind of electric battery that could store way more energy that any other kind of battery on the market, and enough in fact, to revolutionise the electric car industry. Would you expect any press releases or media discussion to require a familiarity with Volta’s initial experiments that lead to the invention of the battery?

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  128. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    nasska

    He announced that because he was extremely unhappy at the umpiring, he would be taking his taxpayer funded bat and ball and going to his taxpayer funded home. Fortunately, Lee01 has stepped up to fill the intellectual vaccuum with the assistance of his trusty compadre kowtow.

    I blame the Catholics. If they aplogise for nothing else, they should aplogise for this sorry sate of affairs. [Tut, tut, tsk tsk font] Well, plus Munich 1972 and The Inquisition of course.

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  129. Manolo (13,754 comments) says:

    Not the same in Oz: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10819681

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  130. Manolo (13,754 comments) says:

    Raising children with our money: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10819669

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  131. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    @Viking2 (7,118)…. well, not quite THAT brief! hahahaha

    I’d like to echo wiseowl (140) in thanking you for the heads-up on the Franks article. Its easy to exaggerate things in blogs (Nazis, conspiracies blah blah etc), but its no exaggeration at all to say that the New Zealand National Party is in the grip of Maori Nationalists/Separatists to a degree that even Labour didn’t ever reach.

    Who, a few years ago, would have thought that the Maoris would, with a straight face, claim a right to the WATER? More frighteningly, who would have thought that any government would have failed to stand up to them so utterly.

    If this goes on, we might as well adjust to the fact that in a few years New Zealand will be like South Africa was until the early ’90s. Do we want this?

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  132. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Do you really think that NZ race relations stand comparison with apartheid? You might want to think about that for a moment.

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  133. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    Yes I do. In South Africa most of the whites were probably basically decent people who simply failed to act and allowed a racist regime to dominate the majority, and thus became morally corrupted by the system.

    Its very similar here. Most Maoris probably thought of themselves as New Zealanders until they were repeatedly told that they were special, disadvantaged and deserved more and more. Now, increasingly, their most extreme separatists see the enticing prospect of actually gaining power over the country and general populace is just mindlessly going along with the act.

    Apartheid didn’t just happen overnight in South Africa. Its following a similar path here.

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  134. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It is by no means an accurate reflection, unless you think that Maori will seize political power, disenfranchise other races and impose an authoritarian regime. Good luck with arguing that is what is happening.

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  135. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    I give it 20 years. Watch out, Pakeha – and Asians, Indians etc….. your time is coming too…

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  136. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    unless you think that Maori will seize political power, disenfranchise other races and impose an authoritarian regime. Good luck with arguing that is what is happening.

    There are some Māori who want that. Most don’t, most are prepared to work and live together with the rest of us.

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  137. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I’ll expect it about the same time as whites resume power in South Africa and reimpose apartheid.

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  138. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    Yes, Pete. But as the extremists become more vocal and as the mainstream, in both Maoridom and the population at large, fail to confront them, their racial demands will become progressively more strident. We see it happening now and it has been getting worse for 15 years or so.

    The logical outcome of this path is either war, or capitulation to racism/separatism. The only way to avoid either of these two outcomes is to stop pissing around and confront and challenge these extremists at every opportunity and stop them from gaining any more footholds than they already have. It might be too late, though.

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  139. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Dave Mann – I’ve just been confronting them at The Standard and seem to have initiated an uprising against me. They don’t like being challenged. They’ve been trying to hound any challenging out of there, and this time made a concerted effort. I wonder how they got on.

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