More idiocy

February 1st, 2013 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Idiot/Savant at blogs:

So, it looks like my calling National on its bullshit yeterday has struck a nerve. According to DPF, National’s MP’s aren’t bigots – they just think proper Parliamentary procedure is more important than doing the right thing.

Well, that makes everything alright then (/sarcasm).

But the fact is that there was no infringement of proper Parliamentary procedure. Standing Orders give any member the right to raise issues in the manner Charles Chauvel did. And when they do, I expect the case to be assessed on its merits (which in this case are fairly significant). DPF OTOH seems to think deference and hierarchy and grovelling to the right person are more important and that anyone who doesn’t do this to the satisfaction of those in power should be dismissed out of hand. Which is after all what National and other conservative parties are all about – but its a pretty shitty worldview, and the idea that its more important than doing the right thing is simply ridiculous.

Once upon a time I/S actually could apply intelligent analysis to a situation, but now he seems to have abandoned it.

Standing Orders gives an MP the right to get up and say “I seek leave” for anything at all. But anyone who is not a moron would understand the desirability of actually giving people advance notice of your intention to seek leave. This is nothing to do with hierarchy, and everything to do with whether you wish to grandstand or actually achieve something.

It is entirely unreasonable to expect MPs to decide within two seconds whether or not they agree with a motion being voted on. And it is blatant smear tactics to label people bigots because an MO failed to notify other MPs that he would be seeking leave that afternoon. Idiot/Savant has become the boy who cried wolf. The list of people he has never called a bigot is probably a very small one.

What is disappointing is once upon a time he actually had a fairly good insight of how actually works, and could do insightful posts. Now he does ill-informed rants.

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28 Responses to “More idiocy”

  1. Mobile Michael (459 comments) says:

    If I/S wants Parliament to express outrage on every injustice in the world then it will have very little time for anything else. If Chauvel really wanted to have his motion heard he should have asked beforehand.

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  2. Keeping Stock (10,404 comments) says:

    That particular blogger is especially aptly named, in particular the first part…

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  3. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    If Chauvel wanted to express himself on something that has virtually no relevance to our parliament he should submit his views to Idiot/Savant, – if I/S thinks it’s so important he should be happy to post it.

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  4. Lance (2,704 comments) says:

    Who?

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  5. Sb (63 comments) says:

    Idiot/Savant hasn’t got over the fall of the Soviet Union yet.

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  6. pq (728 comments) says:

    its good to have a name to stand beside, not idiot sauvant ,Farrar is Farrar you know my name is Paul Scott,
    Gareth Morgan is Gareth Morgan, ten thousand dollar for Gareth Morgan ears

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  7. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    @pq 8.31am: Best check your meds – looks like some mean bugger has swapped your Prozac for Tic Tacs. 8O

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  8. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    “Charles Chauvel”

    Stopped reading at that point…

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  9. david (2,561 comments) says:

    But wait, it will get worse. I/S ( a nickname BTW that indicates the poor fellow is trying desperately to raise his own self-esteem and failing) has increased the shrillness of his rants steadily over the time of the current Government by National and if you were to project it forward, indications are that anyone going there in the lead-up to the next election should rest their monitor on a towel or other absorbent material to catch the froth that will be visibly dribbling from it.

    Best solution is to stay away ignore it and remove from the RSS stream, perhaps without oxygen it will wither and die off.

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  10. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    “…more important than doing the right thing.”

    Yes, the regimes in hell hole African countries will surely see the error of their ways and embrace sexual / gender diversity once the New Zealand Parliament passes a motion critical of their present stance… :roll:

    Kum Ba Yah, My Lord; Kum Ba Yah…

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  11. burt (8,301 comments) says:

    Once upon a time I/S actually could apply intelligent analysis to a situation

    Really… That must have been a while ago. It’s actually pretty easy to understand I/S… If the red team do it then it’s good – if the blue team do it then it’s bad. It’s irrelevant what the subject is – only the colour of the players team is important.

    There is a reason why this complete apologist for red team corruption won’t allow comments – none of his ranting stands the scrutiny of critical analysis….

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  12. James Stephenson (2,223 comments) says:

    All in favour of buying Charles a plane ticket to Africa and a placard to enable him to do the right thing and protest properly, say “aye”.

    May as well make that two, so Idiot can go with.

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  13. pq (728 comments) says:

    About pseudonyms
    It is very difficult to know what Farrar and the Idiot Sauvant mean or say within this particular column, this parliament
    On the blog site of Brian Edwards there is a very serious introduction that suggests we should all
    put our real names to our words., and I have come to the conclusion that he is right.
    I use to write under a pseudonym, Peter Quixote and here it says I am pq, but that is Farrars fault, it is something about the system.
    I like it if people can just telll me facts, I can not understand I/S, just tell us the facts, print name here I/S

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  14. tvb (4,491 comments) says:

    Chauvelv set this as a stunt. If he wanted this motion go through he would have raised it in the business committee. Instead he did it on the spur of the moment deliberately so he could embarrass national for refusing leave. He should raise it in the business committee this week if was really serious. Bet he doesn’t. It is the embarrassment he is really after.

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  15. James Stephenson (2,223 comments) says:

    I thought the name that Idiot’s parents had originally given him was well known?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/08/smears_from_no_right_turn.html#comment-729728

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  16. davidp (3,587 comments) says:

    What sort of imperialist is this Idiot character? Why does he want to bully other countries and try to tell them what to do? Didn’t he learn anything from the US lecturing of NZ in 1985 that saw NZ dig its toes in over the nuclear ships issue.

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  17. pq (728 comments) says:

    James Stephenson (1,262) Says: above
    February 1st, 2013 at 9:24 am
    I thought the name that Idiot’s parents had originally given him was well known?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/08/smears_from_no_right_turn.html#comment-729728

    thanks for clearing things up Mr James

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  18. dave (988 comments) says:

    There were three reasons this motion was raised

    1. So Charles could raise something worthwhile, knowing National would veto it.
    2. He could then publicise National vetoing it, being upset that his worthwhile motion was not passed.
    3. he could then say to people, including Nats, who criticised his approach on this matter that they were sad people for not supporting his motion.

    So, it was a political stunt set up to embarrass National. I dont think it really came off.

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  19. Keeping Stock (10,404 comments) says:

    Quite so Dave; it simply exposes Mr Chauvel as a cynical political game-player for whom stunts are of more importance than substance.

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  20. PaulL (6,035 comments) says:

    I think what you’re both pointing to is a problem with parliamentary rules. If a motion that is raised cannot reasonably be agreed too without pre-notification, perhaps the thing to do is to change the rules so that instead of 2 seconds to object, people get 15 seconds. Wouldn’t that be a more useful change?

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  21. ChardonnayGuy (1,209 comments) says:

    I don’t accept that the National Party consists of bigots either. There is some blue deadwood in there, although Labour has its own (ie Su’a William Sio) too. One hopes that this issue is soon resolved and that New Zealand can join the Cameron administration in cutting any remaining foreign aid to Uganda and condemning its murderous and draconian Anti-Homosexuality Bill- especially considering the existence of widespread and pervasive Ugandan government corruption that a UK Ministry of Foreign Affairs audit uncovered in Kampala.

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  22. Pete George (23,677 comments) says:

    perhaps the thing to do is to change the rules so that instead of 2 seconds to object, people get 15 seconds. Wouldn’t that be a more useful change?

    I’d think a lot longer than that would normally be advisable.

    I don’t think MPs should be forced into spur of the moment decisions and on totally new issues they should have time to research and consider the suitability of motions.

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  23. eszett (2,426 comments) says:

    So, it was a political stunt set up to embarrass National. I dont think it really came off.

    Halon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

    Possibly I would tend to attribute Charles’ actions to the latter, while I/S is clearly the former.

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  24. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    *Hanlon

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  25. Jim (398 comments) says:

    From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot :

    Bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; …”

    If I recall correctly, that’s the reason why he disabled comments at No Right Turn.

    own goal.

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  26. scrubone (3,104 comments) says:

    Really… That must have been a while ago. It’s actually pretty easy to understand I/S… If the red team do it then it’s good – if the blue team do it then it’s bad.

    Actually I/S previously had a reputation for some level of integrity – he’d criticise the left if they did something wrong and would occasionally praise the right. He did have some outbursts like this but they were more rare.

    But I think the advent of a right wing government has tipped him over the edge. He’s certainly complained bitterly about some of Lockwood’s decisions (without first considering why they were made) while (as far as I can tell) having never complained once about the appaling speakers during Labour’s term.

    He simply doesn’t understand the conservative mindset, prefering the left wing caricature of what the right believes rather than what they actually do believe. It’s one of the worst flaws of the left that they never bother to examine what someone actually believes. That said, the right fall into the same trap, only not as often and not nearly as badly.

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  27. pq (728 comments) says:

    for Gods sake please write essay here in schoolboy English, I need to know what is happenning , the phone say nothing,

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  28. pq (728 comments) says:

    PaulL (5,013) Says:
    February 1st, 2013 at 10:08 am
    I think what you’re both pointing to is a problem with parliamentary rules. If a motion that is raised cannot reasonably be agreed too without pre-notification, perhaps the thing to do is to change the rules so that instead of 2 seconds to object, people get 15 seconds. Wouldn’t that be a more useful change?

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