Internal tensions

June 1st, 2013 at 7:59 am by David Farrar

David Fisher at HoS reports:

Leaked documents written by a political strategist who has trained MPs set out a vision for taking the party to the right of the political spectrum, tripling donations to $6 million a year and using donations and government jobs as inducements to control MPs.

Written by political strategist , the papers were leaked by a “senior National Party source” to theWeekend Herald, TV3′s The Nation and Fairfax.

I’d never seen the papers before this week.

The message was also important – “dominate the media by controlling the message through credible right wing blogs”. Mr Lusk also said there needed to be a focus on “taking over the public sector” to create a pool of fiscal conservatives who would work with politicians.

I’d  rather shrink the public sector than take it over :-)

He urged those reading it to “stop donating to the current government”. “They have not listened and will not listen.”

Not surprisingly, a strategy of urging people not to donate to the party doesn’t meet universal popularity.

Incidentally National disclosed donations of $773,000 last year. That doesn’t include donations of under $1,500 which can also account for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Mr Lusk’s briefing came at a time when he was organising training sessions for potential National Party candidates. Disgraced MP Aaron Gilmore was among those keen to attend but was rejected after he failed to meet the fees charged.

As far as I know, the training sessions were free to attend, but invite only.

Longtime National Party member David Farrar, who runs Kiwiblog, was listed as a speaker at a February 2012 session at the Kauri Glen Lodge in Puhoi, north of Auckland, where the session was held. He pulled out.

“I was asked not to,” he said, saying “party hierarchy” made the request. “It would look as if it were officially sanctioned,” he said. He stayed for the social aspect – Mr Slater posted on his Whaleoil blog a photograph of Mr Farrar’s rental car reversed over a wall – before leaving.

Whale loves posting that photo.

The National Party is a broad church, with many factions. They include:

Blue Greens

They’re National but they’re conservationists. Nick Smith is the greenest blue in the party.

Blue Liberals

National with a heart – Katherine Rich showed her liberal streak when she rejected Don Brash’s social welfare plans.

Fiscal Conservatives

Small government, big business. Former party leader Don Brash later ran Act.

Internats

The overseas wing of the party. Prime Minister John Key is the ultimate homecoming story.

Young Nats

The path to the party from an early age. Nikki Kaye is currently the youngest minister in the House.

SuperBlues

The superannuitant wing. Dr Paul Hutchison has just picked up his Gold Card.

I wouldn’t really call them factions. Most “factions” in National are personality based rather than policy based.

Also the Blue Liberals are not wets, they are classical liberals who tend to be “fiscal conservatives” and social liberals – ie people who think the Government should but out of both business and our private lives.

In a related story, David Fisher writes:

A political strategist who has trained National Party MPs says the Ports of Auckland colluded with right wing bloggers to undermine industrial action against the Ports of Auckland.

The claim is in a leaked document written by controversial strategist Simon Lusk – and hotly denied by the publicly-owned port company. …

“The case in point is the way the Maritime Union have received huge negative publicity about their salaries, based on POAL (Ports of Auckland Limited) working with certain bloggers to control the story. Financial support for these bloggers will enable them to build their credibility and readership.”

I was asked about this. I have never had any communication or contact with Ports of Auckland, or anyone acting on their behalf, with regards to this issue. Off memory the only time I’ve had contact with them if when I blogged they should be shifted to Manukau Harbour! They are not keen on my proposal!

Mr Slater said he covered the strike as other media outlets did. He said there was no arrangement with the port to do so and he had not discussed it with Mr Lusk.

He said yesterday he had never actually been paid although believed he should be. On the port, he said: “I hate unions pathologically. I’ve hated them since I was 15 years old and I would do it for free.

“I have never been paid for any posts about unions, ever.”

Some things are just a pleasure!

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34 Responses to “Internal tensions”

  1. kowtow (7,626 comments) says:

    Don’t forget the Pink Nats who support Gay Labour and don’t support traditional National policies or conservative New Zealand.

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  2. Whafe (652 comments) says:

    This is going to be oh so amusing to see these little scribbles by the hay seed try hard journo David Fisher backfire and add more fuel to the fire just how appalling a job the NZ Horrid is doing in reporting news as opposed to tabloid crap.

    A good many thinking NZ’s get there news from blogs etc, as there is less bias….. Well less… Pffffttttt. The Standard has no bias, LMFAO

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  3. Michael (896 comments) says:

    A party of 30,000 members doesn’t always agree with each other on policy? Never!

    At least they don’t have a violent falling out with each other every 5 minutes like that 2000 member Labour Party!

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  4. MD (62 comments) says:

    But isn’t it a real shame that we can list the blue greens, and the blue liberals and even the pink nats, but the fiscal conservatives consists of the guy who left. I think that’s a sad commentary on the party that we can’t even find a fiscal conservative to list, for that matter the socially conservative faction isn’t even mentioned.

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  5. duggledog (1,358 comments) says:

    Hard right? You know straight away it’s a crock

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  6. Jimbob (640 comments) says:

    During times of financial hardship people generally become more liberal and caring for each other. The GFC has done that and this theme is spreading widely throughout the Western World. Hard line fiscal conservative policies are shunned, not a great strategy to promote these policies if you want run a fiscally strained country at the moment. This just shows how inept this guy from the Bay is, he has no idea about the psychology of the masses at this present time.

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  7. deadrightkev (277 comments) says:

    Farrar is in the Joyce camp and Slater is in the Collins camp then?

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  8. toms (301 comments) says:

    It is now clear that Judith Collins is actually a bone fide, card carrying fascist who has assembled a wannabe Julius Striecher (Cameron Slater) and a wannabe Heinrich Himmler (Lusk) to her cause. Any elevation of Collins to the leadership of the National party would see the party reach the sort of heights of relevance Kyle Chapman currently enjoys, so I am all for it.

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  9. Steve Taylor (205 comments) says:

    Is Fisher implying that if a blogger takes a position on an issue, and is paid in their capacity of a Journalist, that this is inconsistent with how MSM journalists ply their trade? Pot, meet kettle?

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  10. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    Is this the same David Fisher who covers the Kim Dotcom beat for the Herald? His coverage of Dotcom has been so dreadful you hope that he is being bribed because the alternative is that he has no intellectual curiousity, no ability to sort facts from spin, and is boosting Dotcom’s campaign to avoid extradition via the media for free.

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  11. Paulus (2,502 comments) says:

    Why take any notice of the Herald – it is desperate for circulation (not so called readers).

    Quite frankly it I a boor. Who is this junior political reporter Fisher – trying to get a list place with either the Greens or Labour for the next election.

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  12. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    The commentary made elsewhere is that Key plans to bow out after the next election and this is National Party faction manoeuvring

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  13. gravedodger (1,515 comments) says:

    All Toms has is his best m8 Godwin and it is pathetic when he does

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  14. F E Smith (3,302 comments) says:

    It is now clear that Judith Collins is actually a bone fide, card carrying fascist

    toms, as far as I am aware, Judith Collins is not an anti-capitalist, collectivist, command-economy proposing, working class champion.  But perhaps you know better: what information do you have on her planning to switch to the Labour Party?

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  15. Redbaiter (7,623 comments) says:

    Whether it is Cameron Slater of John Slater or Simon Lusk or David Farrar or anyone who has had any role in moulding today’s National Party, they’ve made an absolute fuck up of it.

    The party has no heart and is merely a sub group of the Progressive political faction that dominates NZ politics through its media academic and bureaucratic influence. Labour, National and far left media are the coalition that governs this country and all voters get to do is change the leadership now and again. The governance remains basically the same.

    With internal factions such as the Blue Greens and the Blue Liberals, National is naturally not going to start with much of an advantage over Labour. The first thing to do to restore the party is get rid of these white ants.

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  16. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Agree Red.

    The number one item policy item the Young Nats came up with in recent times was homosexual adoption. These people are more philosophically suited to the progressive wing of the Labour party, not National.

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  17. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    So Whale Oil has hated unions pathologically since he was 15?

    Did a unionist’s son steal his girlfriend?

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  18. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    This is pretty funny. It basically outs Slater as a paid shill.

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  19. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10887752

    You can’t work in regular news if you do that.

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  20. Reid (15,947 comments) says:

    The party has no heart and is merely a sub group of the Progressive political faction that dominates NZ politics through its media academic and bureaucratic influence. Labour, National and far left media are the coalition that governs this country and all voters get to do is change the leadership now and again. The governance remains basically the same.

    Yes and this has been the story since Bolger back in the early-mid 90′s refused to say fuck it, we’re repealing Hulun’s anti-US nuke legislation. That was basically the last chance the NZ electorate had as a centre-right nation. After that gutless Irish betrayal and the failure (by the Conservatives!!!!!) to advance the Hayeckian economic agenda during their term by refusing to stand behind Richardson in the name of his own popularity [remind you of someone?] thus guaranteeing that it would end in failure, as half-completed pieces of art always do, it opened the door to the endless litany of Hulun’s megaphone propaganda a.k.a. “the failed policies of the ’90′s” when Liarbore finally gained the Treasury benches in 2001.

    Hulun’s movement of the entire NZ electorate to the left involves much much more than just the complete and utter abject failure of the conservatives to do anything to stop it, let alone perceive the fucking thing was happening in the first place. It has involved for example the complete retraining of every single journo in the entire country until ALL the schools turn out lefty sychophants who think their job isn’t to report it’s to educate and this has resulted in even Brian Edwards expressing his dismay. She has done other too in the legislative front with all the sisterhood legislation disguised as human wights when really it attacks us by undermining our value structures, in the employment front with the Wgtn govt depts being the largest employer in the country therefore setting examples, treating wimmin and Maori in totally different ways to the way white males are treated, in the international relationship front with her undermining of NZ’s traditional UKUSA relationships in favour of the non-aligned nations (I mean did she ever ask us if that’s what we wanted there???), etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

    And now we have gutless Key, who thinks the job of a PM is to be popular and reflect “the will of the people.” Newflash dummy. The “people” don’t know what’s good for them. They don’t know how to determine the correct side of a political issue anymore than they know how correctly to perform brain surgery. They seem to know all about celeb goings on and whose in the latest AB team, for some reason. But they don’t know anything about politics. Do they. So how the fuck, dummy, would they know whether or not we should start negotiating an FTA with say, Russia? They don’t, do they. Not to mention the other issues like when Douglas, Reagan and Thatcher all introduced Hayeckian economics at the same time. Did the people vote for that? No? Was it the right thing to do? I rest my case.

    But no. Key has blown his chances of being an outstanding PM. Bolger wasn’t, neither has Key been. No wonder the conservative side of NZ politics looks like a weaker version of the BEF before it embarked to France in 1939. With leadership like what we’ve got, “Neville” doesn’t quite begin to describe it, does it.

    D’ya think “the people”

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  21. Psycho Milt (2,265 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t really call them factions. Most “factions” in National are personality based rather than policy based.

    So, this isn’t infighting between the Joyce and Collins factions over the leadership succession? Just a coincidence that someone decided to leak these papers to the media?

    Did a unionist’s son steal his girlfriend?

    According to his blog, he was bullied by a union delegate when he was 15. It’s handy when your opponents admit their opposition is based on emotions.

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  22. Elaycee (4,301 comments) says:

    So a media hack (Fisher) pens factually deficient ‘opinion pieces’ about the National Government. Hardly a revelation…

    For many moons, Fisher and the Hoorald have been desperately trying to push their left wing agenda and if this means they try to create a ‘story’ where there isn’t one, then so be it. For the Hoorald, this is just par for the course.

    Anyone who questions accusations of their left wing agenda should read the piece ‘penned’ by Tracy Watkins about the PM and ‘integrity’ today – oh the irony. Watkins writing about integrity is as relevant as Krim Dotcon writing a shareholder brochure for LetsBuyIt.com. [Dotcon ripped off LetsBuyIt.com in Germany / did a runner to try and avoid charges / had to be extradited back to Germany to face the Courts / was subsequently convicted of embezzlement].

    In recent years, the demise of the Hoorald has gathered pace – whereas once it was considered to be a ‘reputable’ paper in the region, it has today sunk to the depths occupied by other overtly left wing rags.

    The ongoing plunge in Hoorald circulation numbers is merely proof that their once strong readership base has evaporated. By the time the Hoorald wakes up, the noise they hear will be the doors of the place closing behind them.

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  23. Manolo (13,368 comments) says:

    Yes, Neville Key will be quickly forgotten as Bolger has.

    He let the opportunity pass by trying to be all things to all people, and will be remembered for having taken National to the left of centre.

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  24. Reid (15,947 comments) says:

    According to his blog, he was bullied by a union delegate when he was 15. It’s handy when your opponents admit their opposition is based on emotions.

    What do you think Helen Kelly’s attitude toward employers is based on PM? Do you think her father’s attitudes might have anything to do with them? And if so, how do you think she inculcated those – via emotion or via cold, hard logic?

    You’re right, it’s useful information to know about an opponent. But it’s a shame the only time it comes in really handy is when you’re locked in mortal combat and you know that a calculated remark can give you a split-second advantage by distracting them giving you a window within which you can strike the fatal blow. Sadly most other times it’s pretty useless. Unless you want to make them angry on telly. Then it’s just pure fun.

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  25. RightNow (6,659 comments) says:

    Did a unionist’s son steal his girlfriend?

    According to his blog, he was bullied by a union delegate when he was 15. It’s handy when your opponents admit their opposition is based on emotions.

    Yep:

    I bash unions for free. I have had a hatred of unions since my first holiday job working in the stores at LD Nathan in Roma Road Mt Roskill where I was subjected, as a 15 year old, to the terrors of a union boss called Con Strongman.

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/05/on-being-paid/#more-97152

    He admits his opposition is based on historical events, which he clearly still feels strongly about. He may not be serving this dish cold, but he sure is serving it.

    And we’ll just file this line away for future throwing it back in your face glee: “It’s handy when your opponents admit their opposition is based on emotions”

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  26. Psycho Milt (2,265 comments) says:

    What do you think Helen Kelly’s attitude toward employers is based on PM?

    A bit more than something like having been bullied by one as a 15-year-old, I expect.

    You’re right, it’s useful information to know about an opponent. But it’s a shame the only time it comes in really handy is when you’re locked in mortal combat…

    I expect that mortal combat between me and Cameron Slater wouldn’t last long enough for that to come in handy at all…

    Where it really comes in handy is, fortunately, stuff like blogging, in which (well, in some cases at least) you’re trying to make a reasoned argument for a point of view. If commenters can claim that your opinion is based on an unpleasant childhood experience and your arguments are therefore just rationalisations for a deep-seated emotional hatred, your position is badly weakened.

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  27. Redbaiter (7,623 comments) says:

    “Blue Liberals National with a heart – Katherine Rich showed her liberal streak when she rejected Don Brash’s social welfare plans.”

    This really pisses me off.

    National with heart. What unadulterated crap. This kind of thing is only usually said by the left, and the left only say it because they lack the intelligence to see it any other way.

    The implication is that anyone who is not what Katherine Rich and similar idiots perceive to be a “liberal” has no heart. Just typical far left stereotyping.

    When the real issue is that liberals are usually dumbarses who think that emotion based thinking leads to solutions, when the reality is such “solutions” often lead to a compounding of the problem. An excellent example of this wrong headed approach is food in schools. This is exactly the kind of dopey self defeating unworkable and plainly WRONG solution that a “liberal” would come up with.

    What Katherine Rich showed when she rejected Brash’s plans was that she was a far left idiot who belonged in the Labour Party. As do so many of the National Party today. Blue Liberals are leftists and if you ever doubt it you only need to look at the self description, “National with heart”, and the natural linked implication that those who don’t agree with their immature and irrational thinking patterns are “heartless”.

    This is classic far left strategy. These people need to leave National right now and go sign up with Labour.

    National has been steadily infiltrated by the far left until it has become a shell of the party it once was and no longer has a clue what it stands for. Getting the Blue Liberals and the Blue Greens to piss off and join Labour should be the first step in restoring it to a party that offers some opposition to the stifling left liberal orthodoxy that rules NZ politics right now.

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  28. GPT1 (2,090 comments) says:

    Why is advocating a policy position a plot? Is it a case of “right bad, left good” from the media?

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  29. RF (1,272 comments) says:

    According to contacts in the evil left the word is out for them to make a concentrated effort to smear John Key and create diversionary tactics on the belief that if you throw enough mud, some will stick. This will take the pressure off the failing sheep who is not PM material. Should the sheep wake up and step aside, the silent T is not the choosen one as Fred’s mate Grant appears to be the current favourite.

    What is very obvious – the left is shit scared of John Keys popularity.

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  30. Reid (15,947 comments) says:

    Is it a case of “right bad, left good” from the media?

    When is it not a case of this from the media?

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  31. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    to advance the Hayeckian economic agenda

    Avoiding nutty marginalized kook economic theory… Priceless.

    There’s no finer way of announcing you’re an idiot than professing Austrian economic views. After all, it’s the school that says evidence doesn’t matter.

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  32. OneTrack (2,604 comments) says:

    “expat (3,982) Says:
    June 1st, 2013 at 9:04 am
    The commentary made elsewhere is that Key plans to bow out after the next election and this is National Party faction manoeuvring”

    I keep reading that on hard left wing blogs. I have a vision of them all sitting in a circle, praying to their god (helen?) that it would be so. They can’t come up with any decent policies, so their last gasp is to hope, and hope, and hope, that Key will leave and then all their dreams will come true. Absolutely hopeless.

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  33. OneTrack (2,604 comments) says:

    “Tom Jackson (626) Says:
    “June 1st, 2013 at 10:20 am
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10887752

    You can’t work in regular news if you do that.”

    But if you work in regular news you can forget any idea of objectivity and just do your best to get ” your” team in. Even if you have to make stuff up? Even if nobody really cares anyway but you think it will ” help the cause” if you throw innuendo around?

    Yes you are right. That does sound like more and more “professional” news people. In the (bad) old days being professional meant you were more than just being paid to do something. Now it doesn’t.

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  34. OneTrack (2,604 comments) says:

    “GPT1 (1,959) Says:
    June 1st, 2013 at 1:49 pm
    Why is advocating a policy position a plot? Is it a case of “right bad, left good” from the media?”

    I see Reid has already answered but I concur -the answer is yes.

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