General Debate 14 February 2014

February 14th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    Winston visits Dotcom

    Mr Peters was first asked about it on Waitangi Day and told The Diary’s Rachel Glucina that rumours he had been there three times were “false” but he refused to specify if he’d been there at all.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11201470

    I can understand Key not wanting to admit he reads the Herald, but he or one of his staff obviously does – probably to keep track of all the other bullshit it quotes of Winston Peters’, for example, that John Key has memory fades, like whether he read the Police report on John Banks. Everyone, Winston, is well aware John Key has stated categorically that he had not, and would not read the report, for obvious reasons of prevarication [similar to Winston's initial response to questions on Dotcom].
    It is Winston, in old age, who apparently has the memory fades, like the Diary phoning him on Waitangi Day.
    Dotcom – Only four people knew – along, apparently, with those who spread the rumours the Diary picked up on :-)

    ,The Diary
    Rachel Glucina looks at the top events and newsmakers of the day.
    Questions of the week
    1. Did Winston Peters visit the Dotcom mansion for secret meetings? Don Brash and Russel Norman have confessed to get-togethers in Coatesville, but Peters was playing coy yesterday when The Diary phoned. Rumours that he went there three times are “false”, he says, but he refused to specify if he’d been there at all.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personalities/news/article.cfm?c_id=72&objectid=11197715

    Winston has had seven days to think of blaming it on Government spies, enough time for any old bugger to get his story straight.
    ____________________

    TVNZ NEWS – After the January 2012 raids on Dotcom’s mansion, Mr Peters thought the internet mogul should be booted out of the country.

    But then he changed his mind.

    “It was after I put out a press statement saying that he should not be in this country, and he wanted to put his side of the story. And that’s fair enough in my books,” Mr Peters said today.

    “So I went out to find out what his side of the story was, and funny enough, things are not what they seem on that matter.”
    http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/winston-peters-spies-watched-me-meet-dotcom-5831617

    Of the January 5, 2012, 72 page five-count Eastern District of Virginia Grand Jury Indictment against Kim Dotcom, Megaupload Limited, Vestor Ltd and six others, what portion does Winston Peters believe to be wrong in his judgement, and how exactly has he arrived at his conclusion?

    If they had the power, would Winston Peters join Greens Co-Leader Russell Norman to block any deportation of Kim Dotcom?

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  2. Concerned (34 comments) says:

    Is WhaleOil having access problems again this morning?

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  3. alex Masterley (1,439 comments) says:

    Nope, it seems to be ok.

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  4. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Allowing one company to control the supply of crucial physical commodities, and also trade in the financial products that might be related to those markets, is an open invitation to commit mass manipulation. It’s something akin to letting casino owners who take book on NFL games during the week also coach all the teams on Sundays.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-vampire-squid-strikes-again-the-mega-banks-most-devious-scam-yet-20140212

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  5. Concerned (34 comments) says:

    Hmmmm…strange. Whale not good at my house.

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  6. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    The “self destruct” VonSchmitzicuddy Party – a Dotcom political embrace is looking increasingly like a kiss of polling booth death.

    While others are distancing themselves before too much damage is done Winston Peters and Trevor Mallard seem to be the remaining delusionals.

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  7. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    Morning sportsfans….

    (1) Calling all saps a.s.a.p – love is in the air cha – ching (We’re all Americans now)

    (2) sadistically sneaking statistically speaking

    (3) Yeah right: Countdown spokescrony on ClamponLive… “We do the best we can for NZders”. So – it’s NZders first, profit second for the owners of Countdown supermarkets. You can self-checkout anytime you like but – you can never leave….

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  8. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    More about the traitor: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/exclusive-snowden-swiped-password-nsa-coworker-n29006

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  9. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    How much, Winston? Tell us how much was the deal with the obese German?
    The venal politician changed his mind, but at what price?

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  10. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    HERALD Editorial – Confirmation of the Internet Party’s withdrawal if it underperforms, coupled with questioning of the Labour and Greens leaders on their willingness to stop his extradition if in power, has been unhelpful.

    To the contrary – we now more clearly see the colour of the Greens and Labour.

    Add the fact that Winston Peters – he of the Owen Glenn secret shambles – joined the sad trail to Coatesville and the conspiracy deepens. … revealing how far Winston will go to try and dig the dirt on John Key.

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  11. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    The media, urged along by Peters, are demanding that John Key reveal the source of his information about Peters’ visits to the rental property at Coatesville. Have they thought this through?

    Journalists treasure their sources as MP’s do parliamentary privilege. If they are going to demand that the PM reveal a source, will they? Will Andrea Vance reveal who leaked the draft Kitteridge Report? Will Nicky Hager reveal the source of the Brash e-mails? We all know the answer to that.

    But it goes further. If Key is forced to reveal the source of the Peters/Dotcom story (and he has categorically stated that it did NOT come from any government agency), will Peters be compelled to reveal the source of the Winebox documents. And what about Phil Goff and Person A? The Labour Party would be deeply embarrassed if the truth about that came out.

    No; in true Winston fashion, they are shooting from the lip…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/we-cant-help-but-wonder.html

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  12. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    And
    Winston at one point said “NO”, to the question being “Have you been to see Dotcom three times, in one year?”, because it actually was over a two year period.
    How very John Bankseque of him – the technical truth you tell when you aren’t telling the truth at all.
    It’s like saying you don’t pay your rates, when the courts have ruled the ACC owns a portion of your house because you haven’t paid your fucking rates :-)

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  13. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    The year is 2022. The Govt of the day is a Labour / Green coalition.

    Back in 2014 – one might have been forgiven not foreseeing the slippery slope that was to come after a tax was levied on ‘sugary drinks’ of 20%. It was estimated that this new tax would prevent 67 deaths from cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and diet-related cancers per year.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9719020/Tax-on-sugary-drinks-could-save-lives

    One thing led to another – and before you knew where you were – yep, that’s right comrades. Standard issue diet rations for all citizens. Govt issue menu items only. Strict portion sizes. Compulsory time component for physical activity. All employers legislated to provide a minimum of two hours paid time for physical activity to take place for those with non-physical jobs that fail to meet guidelines for minimum cardiovascular fitness requirements.

    Sugar ? Hah !! Banned. Fat limited to scientifically and medically recommended daily limit.

    Obesity was outlawed and offenders who gained fat without a legit medical condition went to boot camp for intensive weight correction and re-education through hard aerobics and cross-fit combined with restricted food energy intake until such time as they reached their required healthy weight range again. Severe punishment for hardcore malcontents consisted of solitary. One solitary meal per day until they got with the exercise programme.

    Rates of weight-related health problems dropped dramatically. Suicide and self-harm cases, clinical depression and domestic violence increased sharply.

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  14. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Have they thought this through?

    …will Peters be compelled to reveal the source of the Winebox documents.

    Or will he be compelled to reveal the source of who leaked to him about Dunne? I don’t think some in the media will be very keen on that, especially the journalist who leaked to Peters out of jealousy at not getting the leak scoop.

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  15. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    My point exactly Pete. Demanding that Key reveal his source is the top of a very steep and slippery slope for MP’s and journalists alike. In the rush to make Winston happy and get a headline for his beat-up against the PM, they have opened themselves up for either a complete transformation of their profession, or accusations of hypocrisy.

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  16. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    To their credit there was a lot of media derision directed at Peters over his refusal to answer questions on Wednesday, and for very Corrin Dann yesterday there were multiple criticisms of the patheticness of Peters.

    Patrick Gower:

    Peters has accused Key of using GCSB to spy on him. Unbelievable these guys might be in Government together.

    And Paddy gave a good indication he knew the obvious:

    Dotcom bodyguard Wayne Tempero has quit. So have some other security staff.

    There is as much chance of the GCSB spying on Winston as there is of Winston being straight and truthful.

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  17. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    So some of Dotcom’s staff have quit. And Whaleoil has been running stories lately about contractors and suppliers to Dotcom not being paid.

    Where might this be leading? I suspect that it won’t have a good outcome for the Large German Gentleman :P

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  18. igm (880 comments) says:

    When are the good ratepayers of Auckland getting out in force to totally disrupt, embarrass, and rid themselves of the terrible, dishonest, and lecherous, left-wing, ratepayers’ money wasting apparition calling himself mayor? Come on people you don’t need a foul and evil thing like this representing you.

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  19. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    Next Saturday igm – there is a Stand Down Len Brown protest being organised; details below:

    https://www.facebook.com/events/630259507036725/?fref=ts

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  20. igm (880 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock: I am many kilometres away, unfortunately, but hope you have a colossal turnout . . . you deserve it. There is no place in politics for the likes of Lecher Len, nor interfering thugs like the obese German criminal.

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  21. Fletch (5,726 comments) says:

    According to a new story from the Associated Press, Facebook has bowed to pressure from liberal ‘lobby groups’ and is updating their service to allow a choice of 50 different “genders” which users can choose from that best suits their sexual identity.

    MENLO PARK, Calif. (AP) — You don’t have to be just male or female on Facebook anymore. The social media giant is adding a customizable option with about 50 different terms people can use to identify their gender as well as three preferred pronoun choices: him, her or them.

    Facebook said the changes, shared with The Associated Press before the launch on Thursday, initially cover the company’s 159 million monthly users in the U.S. and are aimed at giving people more choices in how they describe themselves, such as androgynous, bi-gender, intersex, gender fluid or transsexual.

    As a spokesman from Focus On The Family points out, there are only two genders; the rest is wishful thinking and imaginary gender self assignment.

    “Of course Facebook is entitled to manage its wildly popular site as it sees fit, but here is the bottom line: It’s impossible to deny the biological reality that humanity is divided into two halves – male and female,” said Jeff Johnston, an issues analyst for Focus on the Family, an influential national religious organization based in Denver. “Those petitioning for the change insist that there are an infinite number of genders, but just saying it doesn’t make it so. That said, we have a great deal of compassion for those who reject their biological sex and believe they are the opposite sex.”

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FACEBOOK_NEW_GENDER_OPTIONS?SITE=AP

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  22. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Labour seem to have re-employed Trevor Mallard’s muckraking, or he has unleashed himself. He has been used for the two Parliamentary weeks this year to try and dredge up tired old crap, looking tired and looking like crap when he does it.

    And Labour’s number twenty seven ranked MP was pushing crap on Breakfast this morning. When challenged he indicated he didn’t believe what he had just suggested.

    It’s sad sack politics, like a punch drunk old boxer.

    David Cunliffe must either be supporting the old Mallard mutt being unleashed, or he is not controlling his caucus.

    Labour letting the attack dog out

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  23. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    Another wowser and control-freak from Otago University:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9719020/Tax-on-sugary-drinks-could-save-lives

    A tax on sugary drinks could save lives and reduce New Zealand’s obesity burden, new research shows.

    Its author, Professor Tony Blakely, of the Department of Public Health at the University of Otago, said a tax on sugary drinks would be a simple and smart move to fight obesity and related illnesses.

    “If you’re thinking of one tax or subsidy on food, then this is [it],” Blakely said.

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  24. Yoza (1,353 comments) says:

    Nothing about the Odd Future ban yet. I would have thought New Zealand Immigration ‘protecting’ the morality of our pure youth from the influences of wicked rappers would be an issue to offend the free speech sensibilities of your average Kiwiblogger.

    [DPF: I think the ban is because they have directly incited violence. But I agree, a ban is silly. If they break the law, then arrest them. But don't ban them]

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  25. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    The Conservatives are the only ones who weren’t stupid enough to go out to the Chancellor’s sand castle. :cool:

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  26. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    Pete George – There is as much chance of the GCSB spying on Winston as there is of Winston being straight and truthful.

    Some however think Winston’s version of straight and truthful is a good reason to spy on him :-)

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  27. kowtow (6,723 comments) says:

    manolo
    Taxes on soft drinks?

    It’s only a matter of time.
    This is from the deputy leader of the governing coalition partner in Ireland. And he’s supposedly “centre right”.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/reilly-sought-20-tax-on-sugary-drinks-in-budget-records-show-1.1689263

    Yoza and the nasty rappers…….whatever about free speech,I’d have thought they shouldn’t get in here under our strict bio security laws,they’re vermin.

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  28. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    Demanding that Key reveal his source is the top of a very steep and slippery slope for MP’s and journalists alike.

    His refusal to reveal the source gives legs to the notion that the PM uses the intelligence services for his political own ends.

    And that really is a steep and slippery slope….

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  29. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    NZ can’t win a toss, India can’t win a game. Disagree with the selection of 4 quicks NZ have more than enough pace bowlers and Neesham is very average. What the bet Rutherford and Fulton will again flop for a combined total of say 20 runs between them?

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  30. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Academics are not politicians, they tend to be insulated inside acadamia. They suggest what they think will work on a specific issue and in the case of soft drinks they’re right, increasing tax/prices will probably reduce consumption.

    But they are not considering whether it’s politically or socially acceptable or practical.

    Putting a 90% tax all calories over your daily recommended level – see http://www.my-calorie-counter.com/Calorie_Calculator.asp# – would significantly reduce obesity. But it would be ludicrous in the real world.

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  31. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    Hi Rowan…

    I would not take that bet with you.
    If the Mumbai wallahs win the toss that “green, green grass of home” as the DomPost called it the other day, will be awfully attractive to Zaheer and Sharma.

    On the other hand……

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  32. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    TO: >NAT-INT-PARL<

    RE: STRATEGY UPDATE

    Listen, really good week. Excellent. Eyes on the prize. Battered them in the House, flattened them in the field. JK: brilliant work with the man-queens and the beer-pong on Sunday, really top leadership, and a merciful distraction, if I may say, from the unsavoury off-piste episode with the jacket-and-castle attack on that woman from the Greens. Not naming any names, but that was highly irregular, about as useful, Judith, as Old Man Dalton geriatrically grinding on a state-of-the-art catamaran, according to focus groups. Simple stuff.

    You'll no doubt have noticed the allegations the boss is a shapeshifting reptilian alien ushering humanity towards enslavement. Hold the line here. Focus groups indicate that a clear majority of National voters are against shapeshifting reptilian aliens ushering humanity towards enslavement. The whole subject is out of bounds and not to be discussed under any circumstances, apart from when the Prime Minister is asked how he knows that Winston Peters visited the Dotcom mansion three times.

    Speaking of which, keep pushing those devil-beasts at the Dotcom mansion narratives. Repeat "dirty-deal-Dotcom-extradition" till you're rosette-blue in the face. That will turn it into a fact. And remember, their deals are dirtier than ours, because our deals aren't dirty at all because of MMP and so on.

    Operation Tricky (see last bulletin) meanwhile continues. Just don't overdo it. The focus groups thought the Revenue Minister "stank the place out a bit" by calling Mr Cunliffe tricky three hundred times in a five-minute speech. We don't want the enemy to twig that calling them tricky is our core electoral strategy.

    In summary, and say after me: Hardworking families Dotcom mansion dirty extradition ordinary New Zealanders tricky Labour fruitloop Greenies return to surplus in 2014. Should get us over the line. Hands in the middle!

    All due respect

    Steven

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  33. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    TO: >LAB-CAUCUS-LOYAL<

    RE: RE: RE: FW: RE: PROJECT 2014 UPDATE

    When we said you needed to come across as the kind of man who could drink John Key under the table, DC, we didn't mean you should say out loud that you could drink John Key under the table. Not a very bloody good look while that boozed bloody cricketer is staggering all over the TV news.

    Everything comes back to the core strategy and the core strategy is this: they're arrogant. Arrogant, arrogant, arrogant. That should get us over the line.

    Can someone quietly look into whether there is any truth in these reptilian alien claims? If John Key were to be a reptilian alien would that play better with the left or the centre? What's our line on the latest Air NZ safety video? On the traffic-light squeegitsus?

    Have we asked the Prime Minister if he stands by all his statements? Is the gaffer tape holding on Goffy over that trade deal? What's our view on Shirley Temple? Can we leverage the Danish giraffe execution scandal? That seemed kind of arrogant.

    Kia ora, Shane, on the supermarket fatwa. Watching you at work, I was reminded of Katy Perry's visceral energy in her hit single Roar. You used so many terrifying words, invented some new ones, and not even once did you say "etcetera". David S did some excellent nodding, too.

    Must run. Just quickly: avoid the corporate boxes at the Nines. Avoid the wacky weed at Eminem. Tweet something soppy from the Lantern Festival. Social media is the future. And we need to get our ducks in a row on visits to the Dotcom mansion.

    Helen

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  34. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Rowan, why all the Neesham hate?

    He bowled with good pace in the ODIs, will likely be more penetrative with the ball than Anderson, just scored 150 in a FC game and hammered some lower order runs in the ODIs. Plus just got picked up for 200k in the IPL.

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  35. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    TO: >GREEN-PARTY-TEAM-COLLECTIVE<

    RE: Forward together

    You guys are the best. Don't want to harsh anyone's buzz but please try to resist going after Mr Key on the reptile alien allegations. We have many valuable supporters among the lizard community. And we really need to get our ducks in a row on visits to the Dotcom mansion.

    Kia kaha,

    Clint and the collective

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  36. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    TO: >NZFIRST-CAUCUS-PLS-DELETE-HORAN<

    RE: Smashing the bastards

    You tell me: who do they think they are, these Johnny-come-lately so-called journalists, evacuating their infant bowels all over the Right Honourable sultan of the New Zealand First starship? That's right. That's right. Ha!

    Why should I be obliged to feed these upstarts with details about whether or not I've ascended that mesmerising, undulating driveway up to Kim's, whether I've reclined in an opulent European leather armchair, sipped on the finest single malts, lost myself in a limited-edition Ecuadorean Habano, and raised my hands in the air to contemporary R&B-tinged Teutonic techno chart-toppers? Bunch of [REDACTED], the lot of them.

    If you need anything else, I'll be at the Parrot.

    The Boss

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  37. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    TO: UNITED-FUTURE-MPS-ALL

    RE: Election planning

    Dear caucus. Still no invite from KDC but doesn’t matter, obviously wouldn’t go anyway. Chin up. Love you.

    The Honourable Peter Dunne MP

    All from Toby Manhire at NZ Herald http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11201803

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  38. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    Flipper
    Agreed, but bowling first in Auckland did nothing for India either, NZ have been fairly consistent in their batting against the WI and Indian series to date (bar Rutherford and Fulton) and the second innings flop in Auckland. Heres hoping we can handle what Sharma and co deliver up at the basin.

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  39. MT_Tinman (2,793 comments) says:

    Rowan (1,584 comments) says:
    February 14th, 2014 at 10:42 am
    Disagree with the selection of 4 quicks NZ have more than enough pace bowlers and Neesham is very average.

    Sohdi has taken one wicket (a no.11) in all tests this summer and been hit for plenty by the Indians.

    How can Neesham be worse?

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  40. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Is that meant to be funny?

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  41. Paulus (2,299 comments) says:

    Winston has only to ask the “Whale” what is going on, and who is visiting DotCrim. The Press Gallery tell him indirectly they are constantly leaked everything from within Parliament.

    What is Clare Curren, the Labour MP going there for (? 3 times) – is she the Official Cunliffe Secret Emissary ?

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  42. EAD (324 comments) says:

    @ Reid 8.06am – excellent link thanks

    It’s amazing how little attention this is getting anywhere, especially in the countries who will get fcuked the hardest.

    Australia has its lips attached to these corporate a$$holes at the expense of its people and people are too ignorant or too apathetic to say boo.

    But of course when Central Banks gives these Bankers access to newly printed billions, they gave them all the interest free loans they need to become manipulators of markets. And if you understand real economics (not the perverted Keynesian type) all this is being done under the cover of a great lie. The lie is that Central Banks must “stimulate the economy” to create jobs and produce growth. Instead, we have gotten the greatest financial fraud in world history. Why is the 1% becoming much more wealthy every day, while real jobs are not created? Because if YOU want a loan, you pay a bank interest rate, if the bank wants a loan, it gets it for free.

    Banks should be utilities that serve the public, small business, and enable capitalism to work, they should not be CAPITALISM!

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  43. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    Nick B
    His FC average is 31 and his ODI average is 19 with the bat, NZ has more than enough pace bowlers, don’t see the need for both Neesham and Anderson and Anderson offers more.

    MT_ Tinman
    If you look at the last 2 one dayers against the WI where Neesham played, you will find he has similar stats one wicket (a no 11) and went for plenty of runs.

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  44. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Re Dotcom and Clare Curran:

    Labour MP Clare Curran, who hails from the Deep South, was at Dotcom’s Coatesville estate “at least twice, and once with a large suitcase”, a source said. She caught a taxi once and was chauffeured another time. But why the baggage?

    Curran confirmed she did go to the mansion twice, but can’t recall travelling heavy.

    “I was probably on my way to or from home,” she told The Diary.

    As to what was discussed, Curran won’t divulge. “At that time I was spokesperson for ICT and I meet with a lot of people.”

    Her leader, David Cunliffe, assured The Diary “there has been no discussion with Dotcom from any member of my Labour caucus about a deal or financial contribution to the Labour Party”.

    How much cash can you carry in a large suitcase?

    (That’s not a serious suggestion)

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  45. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    More from Rachel Glucina’s latest column:

    BAD NEWS KEEPS FOLLOWING KIM

    Dotcom has endured abysmal album reviews, a botched foray into politics, a broken ankle and MP mates scarpering for cover. His bodyguard Wayne Tempero left his employ in October, and now four security men have walked off the job. They resigned last Saturday.

    Dotcom is relying on the strict enforcement of confidentiality agreements to ensure former employees won’t squeal and reveal anything private.

    “They resigned because they have had a better job offer,” he told The Diary.

    As for Tempero, Dotcom admits he could no longer afford to pay him what he was earning. “Wayne resigned because he was getting half the pay of what he was getting two years ago and he couldn’t sustain that. He is starting his own company. We are still friends.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personalities/news/article.cfm?c_id=72&objectid=11201739

    Four security staff have left. Dotcom said only four people knew about Winston’s visits, but that will be a coincidence.

    Four staff leaving at about the time Glucina revealed the visits may not be a coincidence though.

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  46. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    Sodas
    Widespread research indicates diet sweetners can be 100 times sweeter than sugar, and still spike blood sugar levels to produce insulin which in turn stores as fat any calories available in the blood – so it is not the calories in diet drinks that do the damage but the insulin-triggering artificial sweetner, which apparently is as bad, if not worse, than sugar – especially if ‘diet’ is promoted as healthier than standard sugary drinks.
    Will diet be taxed more?

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  47. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    Cha said

    His refusal to reveal the source gives legs to the notion that the PM uses the intelligence services for his political own ends.

    And that really is a steep and slippery slope….

    Key has stated categorically that the source was not a government agency Cha; end of story. Should we demand that Phil Goff reveal who Person A is, or Helen Clark tell us who leaked the Peter Doone story to her? Whilst we’d all love to know, you’re straying into very dangerous territory.

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  48. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    It’s amazing how little attention this is getting anywhere, especially in the countries who will get fcuked the hardest.

    EAD, if the media started critiquing the banks as they deserve to be critiqued, where would they get finance from?

    For example, not that many people seem to know that when Murdoch was young he became Lord Beaverbrook’s protege who introduced him to the Rothschilds. When you have access to unlimited finance, it’s not too hard to see how he built Newscorp, is it. And this also explains why you’ll never read about anything significant to do with that family, in the Murdoch stable. After all, everyone knows Murdoch choses political sides, like he did with Blair and now Cameron. Why wouldn’t he do it with the people who provide him with his lifeblood?

    It’s a shame that most people don’t seem to realise that perception management isn’t limited only to politics. But then again, most people have stood by with nary a peep as the western economies go to hell in a handbasket and all most of them can do, it seems, is continue with their lives as if nothing at all has been happening.

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  49. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    I think therefore I type…..

    Theory time : You’re low income / lower half. You liked tobacco. It was your thing. Got you through a day.

    Then successive red and blue finger-wagging nannies taxed it beyond your disposable income and you couldn’t afford as many smokes as the good old days.

    So – what do you do ? That’s right – fill the void with something else. Food and sugar drinks and alcohol.

    Bingo – all the Islanders start making David Lange’s best day look like Nick Willis.

    Oh dear. No problamo !! Nanny will just take away their new toys. So that the nation doesn’t have to start opening some ‘type II / clogged heart plumbing’ hospitals in South Auckland and Porirua, and dialysis rooms with rows like internet cafes.

    After tobacco and food / drink – what habit is the next cab off the rank ? What happens when there’s no vices left and there’s no comforting coping mechanism left to deal with the pain of existence and the misery of the heaving masses ? Oh the humanity… *shudder*

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  50. virtualmark (1,423 comments) says:

    The poor …

    “Today,” Matt Ridley writes in his book The Rational Optimist, “of Americans officially designated as ‘poor,’ 99 per cent have electricity, running water, flush toilets, and a refrigerator; 95 per cent have a television, 88 per cent a telephone, 71 per cent a car and 70 percent air conditioning. Cornelius Vanderbilt had none of these.”

    I have no reason to suspect the NZ statistics will be hugely different to these American ones.

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  51. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    Bugger the score… bugger the proven failures…,,. wowsers of the world unite…and BAN Ryder for ever!

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  52. EAD (324 comments) says:

    @ Reid – “But then again, most people have stood by with nary a peep as the western economies go to hell in a handbasket and all most of them can do, it seems, is continue with their lives as if nothing at all has been happening”

    I’ve been down the road of trying to be a source of information on these issues. I’ve generally been met with the view that I just fell off a spaceship!

    I ask them:
    1. Do you believe that the Nats who, despite talk of austerity and “balancing the budget” at some time far off into the future, are still borrowing $10 billion a year are in any way serious about cutting New Zealand’s massive national debt despite nearly 6 years in power?
    2. And suppose Cunlife and Norman & the rest were to get in in this year, do you think this would usher in a new golden era of fiscal responsibility?
    3. Either way, what do you think is going to happen to the economy, house prices, public services, law and order etc when interest rates resume their natural level?
    4. Looking around the world, do you see any evidence anywhere that speech is getting freer, liberties are being defended, economies are becoming less constrained, taxed and regulated, markets less blatantly rigged and manipulated, the banker/corporatist/lawyer class less bloated and cushioned, fiat currencies less debased, resources more sensibly allocated?

    You don’t need to be a particularly virulent pessimist to notice something phoney about this glorious economic recovery we’re supposedly experiencing. All you need to understand is that since the 2008 crash, nothing has been done to address the terrifying underlying problem that got us there: governments are spending far too much money we haven’t got on crap we can’t afford.

    This can only end very, very nastily.

    Still there is hope. Sometimes I come across an article so well written like the one below which I share round and for some, the scales fall from their eyes. Most just shrug and go back to sleep.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-11/guest-post-broken-limb-burst-pipe-fallacies

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  53. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    China Hoarding Gold Before U.S. Dollar Collapse .

    In today’s video, Christopher Greene of AMTV reports on China stockpiling Gold to Internationalize the Yuan.

    Buying gold and silver is the only protection.

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  54. stephieboy (1,157 comments) says:

    Let me just put my oar in on kim.com.
    Simply the guy is a buffoon and a false prophet.
    Heis played his part in helping to impoverish many local musicians and talent.
    The sooner he is extradited the better.!

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  55. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    @wiki: How many bars of gold and silver have you hoarded thus far?

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  56. stephieboy (1,157 comments) says:

    wiki, Gold Bug Conspiracy theories abound especially when there is a decline in its value preceded usually by a sell off . There is also often wild talk about an imminent economic and stock market collapse .
    Conspiracists like Paul Craig Roberts quickly leap on the band wagon suggesting the Federal Reserve and their associates are up to no good ,eager to plunder naive investors and countries with struggling economies like Greece and Cyprus,

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/as-price-of-gold-falls-conspiracy-theories-rise/article11245980/

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  57. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    Widespread research indicates diet sweetners can be 100 times sweeter than sugar, and still spike blood sugar levels to produce insulin which in turn stores as fat any calories available in the blood

    Um – let’s unravel some of this bullshit. You eat carbohydrate or protein – insulin is released – it goes in the old fuel tank. And once that’s full – the rest goes into your big fat arse or gut or select sausage skin bodypart. If you ate nothing but fat – no insulin response – lack of insulin tells the body to use the fat for fuel.

    So – where’s the relationship between artificial sweetener – a substance that is officially safe but has many detractors (and I therefore wouldn’t know if it’s evil or not) – and an insulin spike that causes more food energy to be metabolised ? That’s right – there’s no relationship between the two.

    What exists on the internet with 100% certainty – are crackpot theories about insulin that claim that insulin levels determine how much of what ‘sticks’ and what is ‘magically ignored’ in the absence of insulin.

    These are usually ‘low-carber’ diet cranks. The Scone is the KB resident low-carb fruitcake and best mate of Ken Ring and Penny Bright. I hope Sofia isn’t The Scone in disguise or his best mate at the ‘low-carber’ club. They believe as an article of faith more than reason that a low-carb high fat diet – all you can eat fat content – is just the ticket for cutting a trim figure. Without high insulin production, so the assertion goes, only a given quantity of fat and protein will be taken up by the body, the rest ‘has no effect’ – what happens to it I hear you ask ? Magic. Dismissed by lots of sciency types as bollocks and a total misrepresentation of the role of insulin.

    Bottomline – No carb, no protein, all fat diet ? No insulin increase – but body does not need insulin to use the fat. Artificial sweetener or no artificial sweetener.

    Bound to get a response. It’s more akin to religious faith for low-carbers. They’re a strange breed.

    http://evolvinghealth.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/is-it-time-to-stop-blaming-insulin-for-fat-storage/

    I learnt everything I know from the interthingy Miss !! Yay me !!!!! :)

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  58. EAD (324 comments) says:

    Haha Stephie. Wiki may write some completely off the wall stuff and uses sources which tend to get a little bit too excitable but the general premise of China acquiring the West’s gold is correct.

    The USA used to have the worlds biggest gold collection at in Fort Knox but that hasn’t been audited in over 40 years. Do you think the US Dollar is going to stay the World’s reserve currency when they are printing $65billion per month to pay for their welfare/warfare state?

    By all means, keep your faith in the Politicians to maintain the value of the currency. Ol crazy Wiki might just be right by keeping his faith in a form of wealth that has been money since the days of the Pharoahs.

    “Gold is the money of kings;
    silver is the money of gentlemen;
    barter is the money of peasants;
    but debt is the money of slaves,”

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  59. RF (1,132 comments) says:

    Shaun Plunket was interesting this morning. Apparently the head honcho at Progressive, Dave Chambers has had a one on one meeting with Cunliffe. The suspicion is that Jones has overstepped the mark with his allegations. Now Cunliffe is avoiding the media and gone to ground.

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  60. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    Americantine’s Day : I hate to imagine what kind of insufferable rubbish the low-class LCD loudmouth faceless voices cooked up on schlockathon ‘music stations’ such as (ye gods) Clussuck Huts or ZeedUm to ‘mark’ this ‘important and special day for NZders’.

    Additional: Think about it – what kind of dumbcunt organism trying to survive would evolve to reject any type of food for any reason whatsoever ? What kind of fussy starving prick digestive system says ‘oooo – you’ve got lots of fat intake there – well done – I can see you’re trying hard – but what I’m really after is carbs or protein – then I’ll also digest some of that fat – sound good ? You’re going to have to keep foraging and hunting mate for the right mix of macronutrients – sorry’. That’s if you can still stand up and move about. Really ?

    Humans will eat each other if it means surviving. They can eat anything. 7 billion and counting. Now that’s survival. And counting.

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  61. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Another solid start by the Black Caps.

    Thank god Kane’s was a no ball

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  62. OneTrack (1,977 comments) says:

    “Add the fact that Winston Peters – he of the Owen Glenn secret shambles – joined the sad trail to Coatesville and the conspiracy deepens. … revealing how far Winston will go to try and dig the dirt on John Key.”

    Vote Winston, get Turei, Norman and (maybe) Cunliffe.

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  63. OneTrack (1,977 comments) says:

    “A tax on sugary drinks could save lives and reduce New Zealand’s obesity burden, new research shows.”

    Interesting word “could”. How convenient, when you are already looking for more taxes to implement, more public servants to employ, more costs to add to business and more control of people choices.

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  64. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Conspiracists like Paul Craig Roberts quickly leap on the band wagon suggesting the Federal Reserve and their associates are up to no good

    Yeah an ex-assistant Treasury Secretary isn’t likely to know anything at all about how it really works, are they. Especially when the information conflicts with what one feels in their tummy. All that cognitive dissonance must be hell. Best to ignore such things and let the freight train surprise you when the hammer falls.

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  65. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    I can accept this is a very sad situation. However, I cannot understand how a jury can find this woman who came home after drinking and stabbed her sleeping husband in the heart not guilty of murder.

    Verdict caps despair for Scollay
    DAVID CLARKSON

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9720251/Verdict-caps-despair-for-Scollay

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  66. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    In the who’da ever thunk dept:

    The greatest risk to Australia’s future security is a combination of China’s frightening economic growth and the possible withdrawal from the region of a weakened United States.

    A new discussion paper from the government-funded Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) out today says such a scenario would make Australia more vulnerable to “foreign aggression’’ than at any time since 1942.

    Gee. Really? Crikey. I wonder how much that paper cost to put together. I’d have done it for half the price. About a decade ago. Maybe I should apply for a job at the ASPI.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/australias-biggest-threat-is-china-australian-strategic-policy-institute-report-finds/story-fncynjr2-1226824729488

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  67. dirty harry (252 comments) says:

    another scum of the earth loser maori.. turias whanau..one big family..

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9722387/Case-most-disturbing-judge-had-heard

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  68. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    86/5 6 – SNAFU.

    edit: Mr N Ball is having a great day

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  69. Rowan (1,729 comments) says:

    Not a very good performance from the blackcaps to date, lets hope the lower order can eek out some runs.

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  70. Manolo (12,640 comments) says:

    The comparison with the New Zealand novel and film was made by Detective Neil Kitchen at the conclusion of 53-year-old Patrick Kohu’s trial at the High Court in Nelson in December.

    Today Justice David Collins sentenced Kohu to 16 years in jail with a non-parole period of eight years.

    The jury found Kohu guilty on all 16 charges he faced, including that he regularly raped and assaulted his former partner and performed indecent acts with intent to insult or offend her.

    That criminal Stone Ager deserves castration before the bullet.

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  71. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    Leopards and spots…

    Another worker had been employed at Hawkins Construction through He Toki ki te Rika, a collaborative Maori trade training scheme with Ngai Tahu, the Christchurch Polytechnic Institute of Technology and Hawkins.

    Patrick Kohu, 51, decided he needed to “make a change” in his life after he was released from prison, and he had chosen to get involved with the programme.

    “It offers a sense of belonging and purpose, I suppose. It’s about rebuilding my past,” he said.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/08/a_good_initiative.html

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  72. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Having mentioned my old sparring partner Philu on another thread I dared to have a peep at the legendary Whoar to see if it was still existing.
    And my God… He has a sponsor! (What was the TAB paying on that?)
    Mt Albert Dental are ‘advertising’ on his page. You can see their ad nestled amongst the tumbleweeds and Cannabis-induced rantings..

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  73. Elaycee (4,085 comments) says:

    @Longknives (3.03pm): He may have done a contra. And (of course) it would all be on his tax return, too. 8O

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  74. thedavincimode (6,131 comments) says:

    Patrick Kohu, 51, decided he needed to “make a change” in his life after he was released from prison, and he had chosen to get involved with the programme.

    They need to revise their curriculum.

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  75. thedavincimode (6,131 comments) says:

    Longknives

    It will only be because the bludging little git had some work done without telling them he couldn’t pay the bill.

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  76. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    More fairly worthless waffling wombles….

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10888624

    Consumer NZ surveyed the prices of 40 top-selling items at supermarkets in north and southeast Auckland, Tauranga, Napier/Hastings, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin.

    That’s nice…. just forty items, huh ? I know you can’t do every price but still…

    Countdown managed to beat Pak’n Save in the Wellington suburb of Kilbirnie, where the total bill was $141 at Countdown and $145 at Pak’n Save.

    I’ll tell you what – only these loathsome Consumer NZ twats could somehow manage to squeeze Countdown $3 ahead by some biblical style miracle.

    Let’s take a squizz at some other choice info from Consumer NZ to see just how utterly pointless this exercise was….

    The survey didn’t include fresh meat, fish or produce because for a fair comparison we’d need to consider quality. Wine and beer are also excluded – the discounts are so huge that a supermarket with a listed wine on special would have a massive price advantage.

    http://www.consumer.org.nz/reports/supermarket-prices/about-our-survey

    They are taking the living piss aren’t they ? Surely !! Hang on – you read that right – no fresh meat or produce. That’s more than half my diet they can’t be arsed with the useless turds. Two STAPLE FOOD GROUPS. Fucking idiots. No wine or beer – even though that’s said to be worth 10% of turnover. Too hard.

    Here’s my own price survey – from here on planet earth. Half the shit is about the same price, and then who knows why but the other half Countdown just flat out sucks arse. Eg: Fresh n Fruity 1kg yoghurt. $4.58 pak n save. Countdown ? Here it comes… it’s like a $1 more or something. All of the yoghurt range cost more there. Yeah – that’s just one item but it’s the same for a lot of other things too. You could shoot a bullet down the place.

    Consumer – your supermarket survey is supermuckup sewage…. how much is full access to Consumer worth ? I expect some change back from my tin of shit.

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  77. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    President Vladimir Putin, former KGB Agent of a Once-atheist Nation, Rebukes America, a Once-Christian Nation by Saying that by Forsaking Traditional Christian Values and Putting Same-sex Marriage on the Same Level as Traditional Marriage with a Man, Woman, and Children, the Nation is Forsaking God and Believing in Satan and Will be Led into Degradation and Chaotic Darkness.

    And who can argue? The degradation and darkness is already happening, as all but the blind and the bewildered can clearly see. Personally both groups remind me of Gween supporters – they hallucinate they’re “advanced thinkers” even while advocating policies that are going to have the precise opposite effect to that which they intend, all the while being led by the nose by extremely clever but cynical leaders who know exactly what they’re doing and can’t believe their luck in finding whole countries populated by such incredibly stupid morons.

    http://www.blackchristiannews.com/2014/01/russian-president-vladimir-putin-criticizes-u-s-for-abandoning-god-and-christian-values/

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  78. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    The PM uses a blog as a source for factual information about what others are up to, not information gathered by the GCSB, before he makes public comments.

    Prime Minister John Key has given his “100 per cent” assurance that intelligence agencies were not spying on Winston Peters, indicating his source was controversial blogger Cameron Slater.

    Key revealed today that he speaks regularly with Slater.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/9723192/Looks-like-Slater-is-Keys-Peters-source

    “I just want Winston for once in his life to start telling the truth … He’s been caught red-handed,” Slater said. Other MPs had visited Dotcom “and they need to start fessing up – there’s been dodgy deals going on”, he said. “If this was John Key who was meeting a convicted fraudster who is trying to evade justice you guys [the media] would be hunting down John Key mercilessly.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/9723192/Looks-like-Slater-is-Keys-Peters-source

    So it’s “a dodgy deal” to discuss a longstanding political issue with dotcom, but normal practice for a PM or those of his office to exchange information with a private blogger. How many times will Slater now be asked whether his source was someone in the PM’s office?

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  79. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    Reid, and meanwhile Putin manifests how all sorts exploit ideology to establish a regime (once communism now the Russian Orthodox Church religion is the crutch of the ruled to which lip service is paid by the ruling elite). Some do so within the ministry of prosperity religion of US capitalism (where love of money is deeply respected), others as political hypocrits.

    Putin only ever got religion as a political device.

    But of course your own religion is based on desiring an order of rule over others in public law, rather than real adherence to personal freedom of faith, and equal freedom form religion – the two both occur together in the secular society. It’s the freedom of this that scares Christian authoritarians like you and Putin.

    You confuse

    Once again you confuse free will human domuin

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  80. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    Reid, and meanwhile Putin manifests how all sorts exploit ideology to establish a regime (once communism now the Russian Orthodox Church religion is the crutch of the ruled to which lip service is paid by the ruling elite). Some do so within the ministry of prosperity religion of US capitalism (where love of money is deeply respected), others as political hypocrits.

    Putin only ever got religion as a political device.

    But of course your own religion is based on desiring an order of rule over others in public law, rather than real adherence to personal freedom of faith, and equal freedom form religion – the two both occur together in the secular society. It’s the freedom of this that scares Christian authoritarians like you and Putin.

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  81. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Thank god the Indians are spotfixing as well as trying to bowl us out

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  82. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    SPC

    ….”So it’s “a dodgy deal” to discuss a longstanding political issue with dotcom, but normal practice for a PM or those of his office to exchange information with a private blogger.”….

    So what? Where’s the scandal? Show us the problem.

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  83. srylands (301 comments) says:

    I knew it would happen eventually. The Standard calls for equal pay for everyone:

    “I’d pay the toilet cleaner more on the basis that the guy delivering $2 million is probably doing a job that they find quite empowering and enjoyable/rewarding.”

    Actually, in a sane world, the guy delivering the $2 million would also be cleaning toilets a part of the time and the guy cleaning the toilets doing something rewarding and empowering a part of the time.

    In the end, a balance gets created and everyone gets paid more or less the same….unless they work longer in the more onerous job positions.”

    http://thestandard.org.nz/herding-cats-leadership-authoritarianism-and-nationals-education-policy/#comment-772879

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  84. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    nasska, just questioning the hypocrisy of Slater’s comments. And noting that now the chats are out there, Slater can be expected to answer questions about whether stories he breaks this year were derived from a source in, or confirmation from, the PM’s office.

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  85. Sofia (785 comments) says:

    Left Right and Centre 12:32

    1] “Diet soda linked with weight gain” seems about as settled as global warming and climate change – not that there isn’t a problem, but what it actually is.

    2] I am not The Scone in disguise or his best mate at the ‘low-carber’ club, nor am I a fan of Penny Bright – please see :
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/02/general_debate_14_february_2014.html#comment-1275654

    My point was there are enough questions about diet soda, that more research is required before it is implicated by a Government as being a healthy alternative to the sugary sodas that they may tax.
    To start with it may be helpful to know what is the advice of the Health Department and John Key’s science advisor?

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  86. Jack5 (4,230 comments) says:

    The Leftist bias of the MSM peeps through again….

    Stuff today reporting on John Key denying state intelligence spies on Yul Grinner describes Whale’s blog this way:

    …the Right-wing attack blog Whale Oil…

    They don’t call the Standard a left-wing attack blog.

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  87. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    SPC

    Whale’s blog is a private opinion site open to the public. It is not MSM…..in fact Whale is currently in a legal tussle over a court ruling that denies him the privileges enjoyed by a worthless catbox liner like the Herald.

    As such he is entitled to do what he wants with any info he is given. He can publish it, sit on it or pass it on to a third party which in this case he has done.

    If anyone demands from him the source of his info I would expect that they would know the answer before asking the question.

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  88. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    Slater can be expected to answer questions about whether stories he breaks this year were derived from a source in, or confirmation from, the PM’s office.

    That’s no differenct to MSM.

    Slater often gives an indication of what sort of source he uses for a story, sometimes very specific. Sometimes he doesn’t. No different to MSM again, or to any bloggers.

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  89. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Jack5

    ….”They don’t call the Standard a left-wing attack blog.”….

    Being attacked by the imbeciles at the Standard would be like being gummed by a Nana. :)

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  90. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    ‘If anyone demands from him the source of his info I would expect that they would know the answer before asking the question.’

    Does that include a High Court Judge nasska? Or are you simply gossiping.

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  91. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    ….”Does that include a High Court Judge nasska?”…..

    I thought that was what Whale was going back to court about.

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  92. ShawnLH (2,104 comments) says:

    Hysteria driven atheists at it again….

    American Humanist Association demands students stop feeding starving kids.

    “The American Humanist Association sent that message to a school in Robbinsdale, Minn., accusing them of violating the U.S. Constitution by allowing students to participate in a community service project at a church that involved preparing meals for impoverished children in Haiti.

    The humanists got their britches in a bunch after the family of a student at the School of Engineering and Arts objected to the project being held at Calvary Lutheran Church.

    The humanists took special offense to biblical terminology used to describe the mission to feed starving children.
    “The school has clearly violated the Establishment Clause,” AHA attorney Monica Miller wrote in a threatening letter to the school and district officials. “By sending public school children under your authority to a religious environment – to work with a religious organization that is on a religious mission – is a violating of the First Amendment principle of church-state separation.”

    The humanists took special offense to biblical terminology used to describe the mission to feed starving children.

    “The packages involved were called ‘manna’ packages, after the edible substances that, according to the Bible, God provided for the Israelites,” attorney Miller wrote.

    She was also dutifully offended that Calvary Lutheran Church – looked like a church, noting the “venue involved included extensive religious imagery and symbolism.”

    To illustrate her point, the letter to school officials featured damning photograph evidence – including images of a choir clad in robes, stained glass windows, and (brace yourself) a steeple. Oh, the horror!”

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/02/12/humanists-demand-students-stop-feeding-starting-children/

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  93. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    nasska, pete, my point remains it is now known that the PM and Slater talk. That information is in play with every story that whaleoil leads – where there is no declared source.

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  94. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    Am I unique in having no editing option?

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  95. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    it is now known that the PM and Slater talk.

    Paul Henry and the PM also talk, Hulun used to talk to Paul Holmes every week and she used to give out her private number to her journo favs, every single journalist in the Press Gallery talks to Key, including Barry Soper; etc etc etc etc.

    What’s the issue?

    Edit: just to make you jealous, SPC.

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  96. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    SPC

    ….”Am I unique in having no editing option?”….

    Yes. You’re also unique in seeing a problem with Whale & the PM discussing political happenings.

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  97. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    SPC – to an extent but most of the time it will be obvious if it could be related to Key or not.

    In the last year I’ve talked to Banks, Dunne, Clark, Woodhouse, Turei, Curran (that I can remember off hand) and I’ve emailed and tweeted and messaged with others including Peters – recently Collins, Joyce for example. And 95% or more of what I comment and blog has no connection to any of those communications.

    Similarly Slater covers many more topics than those that could be sourced from Key.

    Edit: you can have your edit back when you agree.
    Edit edit: try reloading your page or closing your browser and restarting.

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  98. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    The ability of the PM and the PM’s office to remain above the fray (say releasing dirt on their enemies), while leaking information to whaleoil, has been compromised.

    Communicating with the mainstream media is in a different category, as is it cannot be used in the same way without the MSM being aware of the practice (the tarnishing of the image of those who are known to do this).

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  99. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    DARPA goes back to the future.

    http://rt.com/usa/darpa-internet-search-engine-788/

    Vanaveer Bush was the first scientist to conceptualise the world wide web. As many know, while the http protocol was invented by CERN, the technology was propagated by DARPA so the US military would have an unbreakable comms network that would remain usable in the event of a nuclear exchange since the network survives even if multiple nodes are taken out. But curiously the PTB didn’t (apparently) calculate what exactly would happen once human minds got hold of such a thing and all sorts of inconvenient information started being shared. Which just goes to show the PTB aren’t infallible all the time, even if they do have all the resources in the world at their fingertips.

    But along comes DARPA to the rescue, to plumb the deep web and once again make the world a safer place for the PTB. Hooray! Naturally they claim the only reason they’re doing it is for “human wights,” but who believes that, these days?

    The ability of the PM and the PM’s office to remain above the fray (say releasing dirt on their enemies), while leaking information to whaleoil, has been compromised.

    Only in your own mind SPC and in the minds of screaming lefties who can’t think straight anyway, and who cares about them?

    Sadly I’m sure this will be an item on the telly tonight, as the screaming lefties in the “news”rooms try to convince the viewers that Key is evil and needs to be taken out by righteous indignation with a side order of galloping mentalism.

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  100. SPC (4,675 comments) says:

    Reid, so the resort to the classic dividing line between those who do, or do not think straight, the appeal to tribal self belief.

    Christians think straight, others don’t, the political right think straight, the political left don’t and of course Putin think’s straight because there is the gulag for those who do not.

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  101. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    For God’s sake, what a mess to sort out. I can’t believe I’ve mixed their Valentine’s Day cards up.

    The girlfriend now thinks I love her and the wife thinks I want to fuck her.

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  102. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Americans have lost the rule of law. Unless Congress quickly restores it, the country is lost.

    Which they’re not going to do. Meanwhile, the sheeple bleat peacefully as they go about their mindless business.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/13/five-criminals-america-gestapo-replaced-rule-law/

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  103. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Reid

    The USA is stuffed!

    Ever since about the time of the Vietnam War the divide between the Executive & the people has been widening. The USA has always been about big business but until then corporate greed was balanced by the vote of a reasonably informed electorate. Now democracy exists in name only & the vote accomplishes nothing.

    The incredible thing is that the entire framework of a Peoples government took only four decades to neuter.

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  104. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Johnboy’s finally turned up. I can just imagine the sight that greeted him when he arrived at the yards today. A trail of rose petals & scented candles would have led down the race to where Flossie in her thin summer fleece waited expectantly. :)

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  105. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    I bought the little bitch 12 red rose’s nasska and she fukin ate them!!

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  106. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Heartbreaking JB. :)

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  107. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    It’s not so bad. I’ve found a recipe for rose petaled roast lamb. :)

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  108. Left Right and Centre (2,397 comments) says:

    Sofia – all I can say is that yes I’m fully aware of the debate surrounding artificial sweeteners and aspartame 950, 951 as used in Pepsi and Coke.

    I don’t know myself as to the effect of it or its safety. Any official endorsement of it as a ‘safe’ product as part of a healthy diet I would say it turns on how they word it’s usefulness.

    Because one thing that I do know for a fact – they contain no food energy or near as dammit nothing.

    And that is something that’s very very very real. So – if you drink the stuff – all debate about artificial sweetener aside – you will not gain weight as a direct result – And I’m choosing those words very carefully as you will appreciate – as a direct result of consuming zero energy soft drinks.

    I appreciate that the taste of something resembling sucrose can stimulate appetite which can lead to consumption of food through increased insulin which precipitates the expectation of the body that more food is to follow. And for that reason it’s probably best that it’s not recommended on it’s own merits. But as an alternative to full sugar soft drink – diet drink performs a very useful and very real role of cutting out unhelpful food energy from a person’s diet.

    This is slightly absurd but if a person refused to give up their four litre per day habit and were content with either full sugar or diet – it would come down to the harmful effects of sugar on teeth and contribution to weight gain versus the as yet apparently not 100% convincing effects of artificial sweetener chemicals on the body and diet drink in general on dental health. Maybe they are both as bad as each other. Full sugar is officially bad news in higher quantities. The sweeteners might be ok. Given the current context of the debate – some would say there isn’t one – I would rather see people switch to diet drink away from full sugar if anything. And then if possible cut down or cut out diet drink. Thank you.

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