General Debate 23 February 2014

February 23rd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    The Herald gets “In bed with the bloggers” but concentrates mostly on Whale and Bomber.

    Politicians’ private lives are fair game this election year as bloggers set the tone for debate. But is there a softer side to these abrasive, divisive voices? Nah, naff off.

    DPF gets a mention but nothing more as he doesn’t fit the profile to story wants to get across:

    The leading bloggers trade on one core asset: the power of personality. They are loud, they are brash and they are, ahem, manufactured. The top ones admit creating personas that are more in-your-face than the real person.

    There’s a fair bit of loud, brash and manufactured here but it’s not DPF at all, and he would have to rate as one of the “top ones”.

    And Graeme Edgeler is mentioned for filing a submission! How vicious is that?

    Herald on bloggers – odd man out

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  2. duggledog (1,628 comments) says:

    What is this ‘Herald’ you speak of?

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  3. peterwn (3,338 comments) says:

    duggledog – Not the broadsheet Herald published by messers Wilson and Horton.

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  4. flipper (4,332 comments) says:

    I suspect that the real news in that story is that the socialist twerps are few, and getting fewer in number, that there is a Italian Marxist (how the F*** does he get residence in NZ????) ……..and that Bradbury, whoever he thinks he is by bombing out every day, judges that the 2014 will be “vicious”.

    On Planet Earth, all of the past three GE campaigns have not been vicious….and each has seen a diminution in Labour’s support base. When Labour sent Williams and his dirty fingers go to Melbourne to extract non existent “dirt” on J Key, that wasn’t vicious? So in all their fruitless digging and sniping, even getting at Key’s family, that wasn’t vicious?

    No that is not vicious but it is proof, positive, that Bradbury, and little Italian prick, and all the stranded jerks, are demented.

    So …..

    Predictions on TVNZ-Colmar’s poll results for tonight?????

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  5. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    It’s good to be getting LPGA coverage now Lydia Ko is a top contender (although probably a bit far of the lead to challenge in Thailand).

    Women’s golf as an absorbing sporting spectacle is the equal of the mens version.

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  6. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Bradbury will have enjoyed the coverage the Herald has given him but the fact is he has lost a lot of credibility on the left since his switch from being paid by Mana to being paid by Dotcom. That was a bad look for The Daily Blog.

    He currently seems to be working for his union sponsors trying to push Cunliffe into going hard left – to attract the hundreds of thousands who never vote.

    There’s rumours Colmar will not be flash for Cunliffe and the growing Labour rumblings support that possibility. The polling period includes some of this week’s debacle.

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  7. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Rodney Hide, in today’s Hooerald, adds some sensible balance to the Jones campaign against Countdown supermarkets.

    Good stuff, Rodney.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11208065

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  8. Scott Chris (6,178 comments) says:

    Oh the ironing:

    “I don’t want to talk about it,” Slater says. “It was a painful part of life. I don’t want to pick scabs that don’t need to be picked … You guys ran the story and it caused unending grief for a long time.”

    Of course only his feelings are important, not those of the of, say, grieving parents, be they of the feral or toff-nosed variety.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11208097

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  9. stigie (1,458 comments) says:

    Flipper Says….
    Predictions on TVNZ-Colmar’s poll results for tonight?????

    Yes Flipper i have…. they will all be bitter and twisted over at the Strandard !~

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  10. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Yep, very good from Rodney, one of his better columns – and important to call out Jones’ apparent over-egging. If Countdown suffers a buyer backlash and lay off staff I wonder if Jones will claim the credit for that.

    stigie – probably not, it’s usually funkstille at The Standard for bad poll results. What they don’t say can be as revealing as what they do say.

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  11. duggledog (1,628 comments) says:

    Flipper – result; National governs alone!

    It’s the only possible outcome of election 2014. Labour is eating itself, the Greens are insane, Mana is even more insane, Dunne and Banks are nowhere to be seen or heard of and Winston has really jumped the shark recently. The media will kill him off now.

    And –

    National have order, everyone’s on the same page, economy’s rocking along (well that’s the perception out there anyway) AND there are no skeletons in John Key’s personal closet. We’re still seeing the fruits of his selection. Craig will poll higher I reckon. He’s the winner in the current lawsuit against Norman – he’s just keeping his name out there. Clever.

    Look I can’t wait. Once the campaign starts in earnest they are going to start bludgeoning the Left and it’s gonna be carnage. Keep your powder dry guys.

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  12. flipper (4,332 comments) says:

    stigie (518 comments) says:

    February 23rd, 2014 at 8:45 am
    **
    Suspect you are right…. and if not one would have to ask whether Taurima had his hands in the poll count :-)
    Apology, oops….

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  13. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    t’s time for NZ to look at tax-free status of so-called charitable trusts, with Ngai Tahu talking of working with other tribes to build on its mussel farming interests in the northern tip of the South Island. These tribes are getting a $200 million treaty settlement from the Government – that is, from taxpayers.

    Ngai Tahu’s businesses operate tax free under the tribe’s group status as a charitable trust. The tribe’s businesses employ 600 people and the tribe’s assets are now worth a billion dollars. It would increase the wrong if the tribe’s tax-free status somehow extended to joint ventures with these other tribes.

    The tribe’s settlement, which includes first and second rights of South Island Crown assets for ever, was negotiated for it by Chris Finlayson, who has since become a list MP and is now Treaty Minister and Attorney-General.

    Ngai Tahu isn’t the only business owner to have an edge on competitors because of tax-free charity status. The Seventh Day Adventist Church’s Sanitarium food manufacturing business also operates under charity status.

    The latest South Island Maori settlement:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9750945/Iwi-united-in-southern-aims

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  14. hmmokrightitis (1,596 comments) says:

    Mr Scott Chris, uptick from me. Couldn’t help snort into my smoked salmon poached eggs this AM when I read that wonderful hypocrisy from the rotund one. He thinks he can call anyone on anything, but as soon as its his knob doing the jiggy jig, its off limits. Whale, youre a fucking hypocrite. By all means apply the heat, but expect yourself to be heated in return when others hold you to the same standard.

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  15. flipper (4,332 comments) says:

    duggledog (985 comments) says:

    February 23rd, 2014 at 8:52 am
    *****

    Yep…. The great unwashed do not read Small, Watkins, Armstrong et al….or MSM editorials.

    Their readers are inside the beltway, and among political junkies…, Craig, seven from 10 for keeping his name in the media..

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  16. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    Jack5.
    I dont think its a big deal Ngai Tahu being tax free, they do what ever they do and make a buck or three. Said profit is then handed out to members who then pay tax on the income, probably at a lower rate.
    Its kinda like Fonterra. They pay SFA tax as its all paid by the farmers. (or not if they have a huge mortgage!)

    We need more Ngai Tahu’s , they are a great example of what Iwi can and should do.
    If only the scum Iwi in the far North would follow suit rather than allow its members to kill their kids and fill the prisions.

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  17. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    “Women’s golf as an absorbing sporting spectacle is the equal of the mens version.”

    Quite probably Pete. But a wise man never says so out loud, especially in front of other men. ;)

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  18. Longknives (4,968 comments) says:

    Colville-
    Yeah we need more Ngai Tahu’s…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10844813

    Like we need a hole in the fucking head! Parasitic bludgers….

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  19. Left Right and Centre (3,014 comments) says:

    Colin Craig will always get my vote…..

    …. as one of the people on TV with the least likeable personalities. What a boring little dorky dribbly dweeb. There’s some things money can’t buy. All the sex appeal of a week old used nappy. Looks like he’d make a good undertaker. And if looks could kill – he’d create a lot of business for himself.

    His staring intense bug eyes remind me of some furry little nocturnal animal that has somehow found itself above ground during daylight hours and feeling all sorts of wrong, and wanting desperately to escape back to the relative safety of its cozy burrow.

    What would it take for Mr Cool Guy to crack his arseface with a non-creepy grin, huh ? 5% ? That might do it.

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  20. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    Bullshit Longknives.
    They get a top-up as they signed on the dotted line early.
    Without a clause like that no one would want to be first as they would be in danger of accepting too small a number.
    Good on them for negotiating hard.

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  21. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    Scott Chris at 8:42 am,

    That particular comment you highlight is interesting. It certainly illustrates a certain lack of awareness from Slater that he would say it. But Slater is not averse to playing the victim when it suits him. He can also be the big cry-baby if need be. Only a couple of days ago he was moaning because Annette King said some mean things about him. Of course the fact that he has his blog, and indeed is still alive to defend himself would never have occurred to him. It would seem that both Len and Slater suffer from narcissistic personality disorder. DPF, as a friend, should have a talk with Slater and get him to pull his head in before it’s too late.

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  22. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    The Standard went ape over John Key admitting he talked to Whale Oil.

    What will they say about Martyn Bradbury revealing he talks to David Cunliffe, that Grant Robertson “doesn’t have a high level of discomfort” with him, and that Bradbury is suggesting an election campaign that “is going to be incredibly vicious”?

    Blogger linked to Cunliffe suggests incredibly vicious campaign

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  23. ShawnLH (6,707 comments) says:

    Ukrainian parliament votes to oust president, sets early elections.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/02/22/ukrainian-protesters-claim-control-over-capital/?intcmp=latestnews

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  24. Reid (16,740 comments) says:

    Police in the US ruin a 13 year old’s life. For throwing a snowball.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/21/snowball-felony-chicago_n_4831414.html?utm_hp_ref=email_share

    When you apply for a visa to the US one of the questions as I recall is ‘have you ever been charged with a felony offence, regardless of whether or not you were convicted?’

    One of the great things about this country is police here can usually be relied on to show compassion when appropriate. I hope that never changes.

    Ukrainian parliament votes to oust president, sets early elections.

    The evil ones’ petticoat is showing.

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-protests-israeli-ex-officer-leads-militant-group-094657071.html#FeK6uCc

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  25. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    See Lecher Len has aligned himself to the rainbows. Suppose he must get support somewhere, but he is also being helped by many media, so keep up the good work, those of you who are opposing this disgusting specimen of humanity. The pressure must be kept on him, and Kerre McIvor depicts the Lech wonderfully in today’s APN Herald.

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  26. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    “Women’s golf as an absorbing sporting spectacle is the equal of the mens version.”

    c’mon Pete, it’s only suddenly absorbing because of “Kiwi Ko” doing so well. A bit like the equestrian, as long as Kiwis are doing well it is apparently very exciting to watch toffs in poncy pants riding about on horses.

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  27. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    DPF, as a friend, should have a talk with Slater and get him to pull his head in before it’s too late.

    Slater has ignored advice from a number of people, including DPF.

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  28. duggledog (1,628 comments) says:

    Flipper I reckon it goes like this

    National know they need a harder edge because they’ve moved into Labour’s ‘house’ so to speak. Plenty of traditional Nat supporters are getting a bit restless. So it’s in their interest to have Cons on standby; especially seeing the other ‘brands’ are so… tired.

    I think I saw everything when I saw the studio footage of Key and Leighton Smith discussing Colin. Never dismiss body language. Key was very, very cautious and measured in his tackling of ‘is Craig a conspiracy theorist?’. he said, ‘he’s either very very clever, or very stupid’. Or words to that effect. While carefully fiddling with his tie.

    Look Craig taking Norman to account recently is neither here nor there. If Norman gets his ass kicked; good. If they settle or the thing goes away or they kiss and make up, similar good. Once again Craig has got himself into the media with his gob all over the broadsheets, and that’s what it’s all about. The fight is irrelevant, it’s simply oxygen they are fighting for. Which is why Norman scurried off to KDC’s mansion. Oxygen.

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  29. Left Right and Centre (3,014 comments) says:

    ShawnLH – I’ll bet he’d like to show Lydia Ko his big wood – she could help him work on his stroke

    He’s a putter short of a full bag

    Women suck at everything sports related compared to men. You’d never watch them for their sporting ability :)

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  30. Longknives (4,968 comments) says:

    “C’mon Pete, it’s only suddenly absorbing because of “Kiwi Ko””

    Anyone even remember the last Kiwi sensation ‘Kiwi’ Danny Lee?
    Our media was gushing over him for a while- “Better than Tiger” “The game changer” etc etc
    Turns out he wasn’t.
    Nor was he even remotely interested in staying a ‘Kiwi’..

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  31. Left Right and Centre (3,014 comments) says:

    Spark: Uncool top brass old white man on TV was asked a question he didn’t like and his reaction was like a deeply hurt overly-sensitive little girl. What a dick. Talk about uncool. What – you thought you’d just get nice questions moron ? The higher-ups sure get upset easily when anyone dares challenge them. Must be too much arse-sucking from their subordinates – they’re not accustomed to anyone standing on their feet talking in anything but submissive soft adoring tones.

    Hilarious: Paul Henry asking Spark mouthpiece to read the predictable onslaught of cynical reactionary Tweets about the name change – straight into the camera – brilliant.

    TVNZ: Must surely have an office pool going for the not far off date that Miss Blonde Bimbo Airhead Moron Childrens Presenter Fluffy McFluff Fluff Spacewaster is ripped from her 7pm chair or Hosking snaps and tries to slap all the idiocy clean off her Dulux face. I say she’s goneburger by April.

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  32. duggledog (1,628 comments) says:

    Plus, don’t underestimate Colin Craig for this reason.
    He comes across as having little in the way of a sense of humour, kind of nerdy, probably folds his Y fronts and has chops with mashed potato and two veg regularly, thinks Toyota Corolas are great cars and why doesn’t everyone have one.

    Like many, many New Zealanders, ‘the passionless people’.

    Harriet?

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  33. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Ngai Tahu top up?

    Signing a deal too early?How many deals do they need? As many as the gummint of the day is prepared to give them…..of our money.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/212056/complaint-industry-still-rambles

    As the author says we all have an interest in Ngai Tahu,we’re contributing to their wealth.

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  34. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    I think Danny Lee is still a Kiwi, although he doesn’t appear that interested in playing in the NZ tournaments. I recall when he won the US amateur and the NZ flag was unfurled. Seemed an unusual occurrence on a golf course, but I have suspicions that NZG might have had something to do with it. NZG are very nervous about all these Korean born players who come here for the purpose of developing their golf game. Ko is one of these, although I’ve seen some propaganda attempting to imply that she just happened to pick up the game here by chance. NZG have thrown thousands of dollars at her in an attempt to get her to stay a Kiwi, or at least make it uncomfortable for her to switch allegiances to Korea, like Cecelia Cho did. I recall seeing both Ko and Cho on the Murray Deaker show, they appeared accompanied with stuffed Kiwi toys, presumably supplied by NZG specifically for the appearance. NZG are trying to ride on Ko’s coat-tails by making out NZ is the place for new revolutionary golf coaching methods.

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  35. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    Ngai Tahu top up?

    The parasites will never stop asking for more money. The tribes are very good at this “art”.

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  36. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    PG

    “Women’s golf as an absorbing sporting spectacle is the equal of the mens version.”

    Of all your stupid comments (and lets face it, there is a smorgasbord of choice available) that would have to be one of the dumbest.

    Female sport sucks, there is not one game that involves power, or strength that females can play/do better than men.

    Watching chocks play is definitely second rate compared to watching men from an ability point of view.

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  37. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    harsh big bruv. There are some sports only women should play -Netball being the obvious one. Curling is another. I really enjoyed the women’s curling at Sochi, the men’s not so much.

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  38. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    big bruv seems to think along the lines of the Craigist “a woman’s place is in the kitchen and a gay man’s place is in the closet.”

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  39. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Went to the Pride Parade in Ponsonby last night, as a parade it was ordinary, lacking pizzazz and the 5 minutes gaps between the floats didn’t help & its noticeable that the media has virtually ignored the fact that the Israeli float was interrupted by protesters who had to be removed from the course. Imagine if the Greens had been protested against by national supporters, the outrage would be ringing across the blogsosphere

    It was really noticeable that when the Labour Party walked Cunliffe really is a man alone, there was interaction between the others in the group but Walter was not part of things.

    Greens were big in numbers but neither they or labour elicited the support they would have hoped for.

    I think these lefties forget that the pink vote has money, they don’t like funding losers anymore than society in general.

    While National can’t relax going into November Labour are fucked & to misquote George Gregan ” 3 more years boys”

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  40. nasska (12,111 comments) says:

    PG

    ….”a woman’s place is in the kitchen”…..

    With Mr Craig’s revelation that he does some of the cooking at his place it seems that he may have softened his stance.

    Latest policy is that women are free to walk around the rest of the house on specified occasions. :)

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  41. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    BB, shame on you for being insensitive and uncaring. The resident feminist, aka Don Quixote George has taken exception to your words and answered you properly.

    Don’t you dare to offend the sisterhood without risking a slap in the face from Dunedin’s Germaine Greer.

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  42. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    You’re as predictable as a piss in a pub.

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  43. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    The secret diary of…(I dare not mention any names, that’s apparently restricted to his fan club)

    There I was in the kitchen, whipping up a simple snack of red-legged partridge roasted with sweetbreads, creamed parsnips, apricots, Marcona almonds, and textures of summer vegetables, when I was told Green Party co-leader Russel Norman said that I believe a woman’s place is in the kitchen.

    Talk about laugh bitterly and maniacally.

    I’ve got a very well-developed sense of humour and I was soon screeching with laughter. Then I began howling with laughter while setting the partridge on fire and smashing every window in the house.

    By the time I was laughing so hard that my eardrums started to bleed, I’d managed to crawl to the phone and phone my lawyers at Chapman Tripp to threaten Norman with defamation.

    They said, “What’s he done?”

    I said, “He’s ruined my snack.”

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  44. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Are those meant to be funny? I’ve always thought Braunias’ writing was exceedingly lame and lacking in wit

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  45. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    Dean Papa

    Given that Netball is a game played almost exclusively by chicks it is not possible to compare. However I will grant you that it is a sport that is enjoyable to watch. I can think of no other.

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  46. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    PG

    I take back what I said about your sporting comment being the dumbest of all time.

    This one of yours beats it easily. “big bruv seems to think along the lines of the Craigist “a woman’s place is in the kitchen and a gay man’s place is in the closet.”

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  47. edhunter (554 comments) says:

    Good looking Women have a way of making a boring sport more interesting, hence women’s curling is better to watch especially when the Russians are playing.
    But in regards to curling why do you need a men’s & women’s division, strength isn’t really a factor why couldn’t they play against each other?

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  48. WineOh (636 comments) says:

    Drunks are stealing hand sanitiser from the hospitals for a fix, according to an article in the Dom Post.

    “Bottles of hand sanitiser have been removed or are under lock-down at several hospitals as thieves target the high-alcohol substance to get drunk.”
    “At Waikato Hospital there have been six incidents in the past year involving theft of sanitiser, including one involving a man caught taking 23 bottles. Another man took 15 bottles. One thief tried to drink the hand sanitiser as he ran from security staff.”

    … drunks and alcoholics will go to any lengths to get a fix, even if it means stealing medical supplies from the hospital. But get this part:

    “The thefts are being blamed on “excessive alcohol marketing” which an addiction expert claims promotes a heavy drinking culture.”

    WHAT??? Alcohol advertising is the cause of alcoholics stealing from hospitals? This is so obviously ridiculous. I thought this comment was particularly hilarious though:

    “How do you drink the stuff? With ice? Make a long drink with a mixer? Do you serve it with food? What are the preferred brands? Not enough information. Is there a guide available for the discerning user?”

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  49. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    edhunter

    You are of course right. Stupid old Pete George entirely missed the point I made about comparing sports played by chicks and blokes being unequal when that sport involves power or speed.

    Ask yourself, would you rather watch the NZ chicks rugby team play or the NZ Mens team?, would you rather watch Brendan McCullum bat or some unknown captain of the NZ chicks team?

    Where there is no level of speed or power required then I fail to see why the chicks are not competing with the men on an equal level. I can think of games like Darts, Lawn Bowls, Curling and the like where there is no advantage either way.

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  50. wat dabney (3,850 comments) says:

    Frankly, I would rather watch women’s gymnastics and tug myself off.

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  51. big bruv (14,224 comments) says:

    wat

    Given that most of the competitors are under the age of twelve I think you might want to reconsider what you just said.

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  52. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Given that most of the competitors are under the age of twelve

    I checked “top 24 gymnasts” and their age when competing in the Olympics:

    Tatiana Gutsu 16
    Mo Huilan 17
    Kerri Strug 18
    Aliya Mustafina 18
    Shawn Johnson 16
    Ecaterina Szabo 17
    Simona Amanar 17, 21
    Lavinia Milosovici 16, 20

    Etc – http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1265998-power-ranking-the-25-best-womens-gymnasts-in-olympic-history/page/10

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  53. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    I note Germaine Greer rates a bare mention here.It would be timely to update as to what she’s up to in OZ.Germaine has devoted a large part of her later life rehabilitating 60 hectares of rainforest at Cave creek, Queenslamd.Not only has she replanted and it with native species but has also reintroduced native insects and animals that originally belonged there.Her book, White Beech The Rainforest years tells of her experiences and gets gets a rave review in the Daily Telegraph.,

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/10591628/White-Beech-by-Germaine-Greer-review.html

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  54. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    Chick sport sucks.

    There is a ufc today, it will be the one event I don’t buy this year.

    It’s headline by chicks fighting. How boring.

    Of course the media is full of pg’s, obsessed with telling me how amazing the women are..

    I can’t wait to see the buyrate, I know the event will bomb

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  55. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    I checked [out] “top 24 gymnasts”

    :lol:

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  56. wikiriwhis business (4,209 comments) says:

    Dime, Dime,Dime

    Just the name Ronda Rousey generates income for UFC. She creates record breaking gate takings.

    I didn’t know you were such a trivialist!

    Today her fight with Sarah McMann will be one of the all time historic fights as both women have 8-0 records, both Olympic medalists . Rousey’s coach says he will never find another Ronda Rousey again.

    She never bleeds. Meisha taite pummelled her yet no blood but Taites mouth was red.

    No one has pushed Rousey into second wind. McMann is capable to do that today and the world will witness a spectacle maybe never again to be seen from Rousey.

    Todays fight will be nothing short of unprecedented. And that has been stated by the heavy weight male champion Daniel Cornier who I would listen to first!

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  57. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    nickb

    At the time he replaced Denis Welch (who was amusing) in the Listener, Braunias could be described as “lame and lacking in wit.” This secret dairy is a good concept (although hardly original) but Braunias seems to have plumbed new depths in the unfunny department with it. Labelling this new column as lame and lacking wit flatters him. Maybe it’s being a bit tough on him – I hardly bother to even look at it now and if I do I don’t need to skim more than a couple of lines before flagging it – but it just strikes me as primary school stuff.

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  58. duggledog (1,628 comments) says:

    Dime

    I’m disappointed in you. What about womens’ beach volleyball? Great viewing in a purely academic way of course.

    I’ve got a f***en big wasp nest up the back, in the ground so I think they are German wasps. Any advice? Can’t buy Carbarol any more

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  59. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    For wasps nests in the ground wait until it’s dark so all wasps are in the nest, pour some petrol down it and block it up. No matches. The fumes kill the wasps.

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  60. nasska (12,111 comments) says:

    duggledog

    Derris dust (active ingredient rotenone) works much the same as Carbaryl on wasps.

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  61. wiseowl (980 comments) says:

    PG beat me to it.
    Petrol at night Duggle.

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  62. Chuck Bird (4,913 comments) says:

    Bali drug suspect Leez Ormsby ‘innocent’

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/02/general_debate_23_february_2014.html#comments

    Correct me if I am wrong but I believe it is reported that Ormsby admitted to the possession of a cannabis cigarette in her purse. I would not consider going to Bali but if I did and happened to smoke dope I would not do so there. Likewise I would not illegally possess alcohol in a country where is was illegal and the penlites severe.

    Ormsby is at a minimum incredibly stupid.

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  63. wiseowl (980 comments) says:

    This wonderful National Government through the RMA and Smith .
    Have been informed that producers in Hawkes Bay who were forced to put meters on wells ,which is bs, now have to have them calibrated .
    This is another cost of $500 per meter! Supposedly has to be done every five years now.
    The guy doing the calibration can’t stop smiling,has a list a mile long.
    It’s extortion.

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  64. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    duggledog

    Don’t listen to the beige badger. He’s just trying to be excessively sensible and reasonable.

    Light it. Better still, have a party and dealing to the wasp nest could be the high point.

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  65. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    wiseowl

    If you aren’t metered, how can they know you are staying within you limit?

    I can understand requiring calibration on mechanical meters because they would wear, but I though there was a new kind that didn’t – so as long as their is no evidence of tampering, then maybe any calibration interval could be longer.

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  66. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (5,590 comments) says:
    February 23rd, 2014 at 8:42 am

    “Oh the ironing”

    LMFAO…irony son, irony..

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  67. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    dirty harry

    Looks like you’re susceptible to that line outside off stump.

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  68. dirty harry (530 comments) says:

    sorry..was a school teacher in another life then I saw the light..

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  69. Manolo (14,179 comments) says:

    A very convenient believer in AGW, and another UK crook (Labour politician):
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565672/Hard-work-Mexico-Ed-Milibands-flood-supremo-basks-85C-sun-kissed-jolly-Britons-count-cost-deluge.html

    Much of his globetrotting has been paid for by the climate change lobby group, Globe International, which is part-funded by British taxpayers.

    Most of the trips enjoyed by Mr Gardiner, who was a Minister in Tony Blair’s Government, have come in the four years since Labour lost power.

    Since 2010, when MPs were forced to declare the costs of such jaunts – officially called fact-finding trips – he has racked up 103 days overseas at a cost of £74,125. In 2011 alone, he spent 35 days abroad on free trips.

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  70. Tauhei Notts (1,688 comments) says:

    I agree with Duggledog that the best women’s sport on tv is Beach Volley Ball.

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  71. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    The left wing dreamer Presland is confident the poll tonight will be good for Labour as their internal polling is sound. We shall see…..

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  72. dime (10,222 comments) says:

    Wiki – drink the kook aid much?

    Rousey dominates in a division of 10. Good for her.

    The kiwi women’s rugby team is probably winning everything too. But really, who gives a fuck?

    Duggle – couldn’t care less about women’s beach volleyball. I’d just watch porn if I needed a perve.

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  73. wiseowl (980 comments) says:

    TDM.
    Its a very complicated issue but what has happened now is that it has been captured by those creating a whole new industry around water.
    There are natural limiting factors such as the price of fuel and electricity and no one in their right mind needs to over water a crop or cause water logging.
    Metering can be useful for a grower but now the bureaucrats are involved it is out of control and just creates openings for money making .
    Dairying is one case that requires close monitoring but many other crops just don’t need the heavy hand of the law to penalise already difficult economic conditions.

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  74. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    tdm – the first one I did I lit but that was rural. An interesting exercise. Depends on where you’re doing it.

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  75. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    Interesting results in the side-bar poll:

    Polls

    Which parties do you think will be in Parliament after the election?

    ACT 64% (404 Votes)
    Maori 63% (401 Votes)
    United Future 56%, (353 Votes)
    Conservatives 46% (291 Votes)
    Mana 45% (288 Votes)
    Internet Party 12% (73 Votes)

    Total Voters: 634

    Surprised about Mana, I thought they’d be one of the most likely to get back in.

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  76. Nostradamus (2,438 comments) says:

    ‘Moon man’ uses quake prediction to beat charge

    “Moon man” Ken Ring has used his claimed Christchurch earthquake predictions to defeat an Advertising Standards Authority complaint over his weather forecasting website.

    Ring sells long-range weather projections on his website and advertises them by saying he differs from meteorologists, who cannot make long-range predictions.

    Wellington geochemist Douglas Sheppard complained about the site to the Advertising Standards Authority, which rules on the acceptability of ads.

    [Ring] told the ASA he did not claim 100 per cent accuracy “only . . . 80 to 85 per cent. But I am obviously able to make accurate predictions, so the complainant’s claim that I am ‘quite unable to make accurate long-range predictions’ is false.”

    In ruling in favour of Ring, the ASA said it was not “an arbiter of scientific fact”. Instead, its role was to consider the ads from the perspective of the likely audience and decide whether claims were substantiated by the advertiser.

    It said Ring’s website carried a disclaimer that his information was “opinion-based”.

    The ASA said the likely “consumer take-out” from Ring’s advertisement was that he could make opinion-based weather predictions, which were “often but not always accurate”, and this was clear to consumers.

    Accordingly, the complaint was not upheld.

    So Ring, by his own admission, admits that he’s selling an opinion rather than a scientifically-based service. That begs the question: who would be interested in buying Ring’s opinion?

    The answer, according to his website, is intriguing: “Predict Weather offers services at affordable rates to councils and corporates, down to weather for a family reunion or a single forecast for a couple organising a wedding”.

    I hope no council is spending ratepayer money on this stuff…

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  77. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    nickb: Listener has, and never will, attract top journos. Braunias’ attempt at satirical journalism being as sick as that of Soper.
    It is not the forte of left-wingers to entertain, they are more adept in the field of insulting media with their pro-Labour/Green doctrine.

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  78. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    Climate change Denial Crock of the week.The connection between the duplicity of Republican congressman Joe Barton ,”smoking doesnt cause lung camcer ” and the climate denial movement,

    http://newenergynews.blogspot.co.nz/2013/11/climate-denial-crock-of-week-joe.html

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  79. stigie (1,458 comments) says:

    They will all have their hands on it over at the Strandard waiting for the new poll…..!

    And then deflation …eh…?

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  80. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    wiseowl

    You are very wise.

    Mind you I can kind of understand, given the misconceptions around irrigation, and the perceptions that farmers are running the rivers dry, that it isn’t unreasonable to show what you actually are using. Maybe also, it’s in your best interests to do so anyway just to show that you can’t be running the rivers dry. The best cure for politicised greenie misinformation is the hot glare of the truth.

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  81. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    Good poll for National & JK. Greens are stuffed and Labour stuck in the mud. Never mind it will be called a victory for Labour over on the standard.

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  82. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    The latest One/News Colmar Brunton Poll is good for National, relief for Labour, not so good for Greens which puts doubts on Labour+Green aspirations.

    – National 51%
    – Labour 34%
    – Green Party 8%
    – NZ First 3%
    – Maori Party 1%
    – Conservative Party 1%

    National will be cautiously happy, the last three polls have been close to 50%.

    Labour will be relieved. They may have held up due to Greens shedding support.

    Greens should be worried – they will have taken a hit from the Norman/Dotcom story and possibly the Colin Craig defamation complaint.

    Comparisons with previous polls and with recent polls:
    http://yournz.org/2014/02/23/one-newscolmar-poll-february-2014/

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  83. stigie (1,458 comments) says:

    Oh dear, where do the left go for shelter after that poll ?

    We knew there would be tears !!~

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  84. duggledog (1,628 comments) says:

    Thanks for the hot wasp tips ladies & gents. We’ll see how it goes tonight

    Speaking of wasps nests

    Labour flatlined and Greens down massively on tonight’s TV1 poll. ON TONIGHT’S NUMBERS NATIONAL GOVERNS ALONE and they haven’t even started the campaign yet.

    Sir Cullen’s sidekick, how say you, savage?

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  85. Pete George (23,833 comments) says:

    MickySavage was right.

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  86. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    I take it the vote against in my last post above is a tacit acceptance that smoking doesn’t cause lung cancer.?

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  87. Viking2 (11,686 comments) says:

    SOCIALISM AND RACISM EXPLAINED

    A black kid asks his mother, “Mama what’s Socialism and what is Racism?”

    “Well son, Socialism is when white folks work every day so we can get all
    our benefits, you knows like free cell phones for each family member, rent
    subsidy, food stamps, EMC, free healthcare, utility subsidy, free computers
    and internet connection, free food, free clothing, free gifts at Christmas,
    & on & on, you knows? That’s Socialism.”

    “But mama, don’t the white people get pissed off about that?”

    “Sure they do son, that’s called Racism!”

    (Never more simply explained.

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  88. wreck1080 (4,001 comments) says:

    BNZ say foreigners have very little to do with auckland house price increases, yet we have an economist say today….

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11208587

    The economist and demographer – who has been in Australia to promote his latest book, The Demographic Cliff, and to speak at seminars – said the bubble was being propped up by baby boomers, immigration and foreign buyers, especially from China.

    Who are we supposed to believe?

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  89. stigie (1,458 comments) says:

    Creating a password

    -Please enter your new password

    “cabbage”

    -Sorry, the password must be more than 8 characters.

    “boiled cabbage”

    -Sorry, the password must contain 1 numerical character.

    “1 boiled cabbage”

    -Sorry, the password cannot have blank spaces.

    “50fuckingboiledcabbages”

    -Sorry, the password must contain at least one upper case character.

    “50FUCKINGboiledcabbages”

    -Sorry, the password cannot use more than one upper case character consecutively.

    “50FuckingBoiledCabbagesShovedUpYourArse,IfYouDon’tGiveMeAccessImmediately”

    -Sorry, the password cannot contain punctuation.

    “NowIAmGettingReallyPissedOff50FuckingBoiledCabbagesShovedUpYourArseIfYou

    DontGiveMeAccessImmediately”

    -Sorry, that password is already in use.

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  90. stephieboy (3,535 comments) says:

    Viking 2.

    Never more ” simplistically ” explained .!

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  91. Jack5 (5,286 comments) says:

    Colville posting at 9.31 this morning defended Ngai Tahu’s charitable tax status:

    Said profit is then handed out to members who then pay tax on the income, probably at a lower rate.
    Its kinda like Fonterra. They pay SFA tax as its all paid by the farmers. (or not if they have a huge mortgage!)

    If this is the case there is no problem with the Government cancelling charitable tax status for Ngai Tahu. It can then pay tax on its business earnings, and pass on tax imputation credits with its dividends to tribal members, who can be classified as shareholders, as is the case with Fonterra.

    This will avoid double taxation, but at the same time mean fair and equal competition by Ngai Tahu businesses with rival firms in fishing, tourism, property development etc.

    There should be no charitable organisation status for Ngai Tahu’s businesses, nor for Seventh Day Adventists’ Sanitarium food manufacturing. Nor for other businesses. It’s hard to see why there should be tax-free status for any charities. They are either businesses or charities.

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  92. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    Viking 2.

    That joke summarises racism fairly well. I’m not sure how socialism fits into the picture though …

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  93. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    People are so silly.

    Take last nites thread regarding Charlotte Dawsons suicide.

    Seemingly intelligent correspondents such as David Garrett @10.49 pm come out with hand wringing
    worries that if Charlotte Dawson tops herself due to ….whatever. Then we all must be concerned that
    our children will be committing suicide in droves due to bullying.
    Consider,
    We also had bullying when i was a kid 60 years ago, kids got over it.

    We also had jungle gyms and bullrush and climbing trees at school…..not many kids topped
    themselves or died as a result.

    People need to get real.

    This might be a bit hard but, kids (and big kids like C Dawson ) who top themselves due to bullying are just weak and
    are removing themselves out of the food chain in the natural order of things.

    The Darwin principle.
    And the weaker and less self reliant people become, the more will kill themselves.
    QED

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  94. Left Right and Centre (3,014 comments) says:

    bereal – we’re all joining her shortly anyway – not long to go from the moment of conception.

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  95. RightNow (7,015 comments) says:

    Greens lobby for place in leader’s debate…
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11208505

    Steven Joyce said National wanted to keep the one-on-one debates but that did not necessarily mean Russel Norman would miss out. “We will be very happy to debate with the leader of the largest Opposition party at the time.

    Looks like Cunliffe will be watching from the sidelines then.

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  96. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    True LR@C

    but imagine you are a young person who reads all the fukin crap about poor old Charlotte and
    how she was hounded and forced into suicide and your Mum and Dad lamented the unfairness of it all.
    And, it wasnt her fault, it was the fault of all those bad people who forced her into it.

    As oppossed to a Mum and Dad who observed the situation and commented,”What a weak, sad person,
    unable to face the challenges of life we are all faced with, how sad”

    i’m sure you will get my point.

    When you kill yourself to send a message, “This will show them.”

    The message very rarely gets through.

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  97. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Want it spelled out even harder ?

    People who top themselves, other than the possible exception of those facing agonising
    terminal illness should be held in contempt and labelled as weak and pathetic.

    Otherwise suicide will catch on as a viable alternative for weak pathetic kids thinking, “this will show them, now they’ll be sorry.”

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  98. Ryan Sproull (7,361 comments) says:

    This might be a bit hard but, kids (and big kids like C Dawson ) who top themselves due to bullying are just weak and
    are removing themselves out of the food chain in the natural order of things.

    The Darwin principle.
    And the weaker and less self reliant people become, the more will kill themselves.
    QED

    Don’t worry, Bereal. Calling sick and damaged people weak isn’t “hard”, it’s just a classless dick move completely devoid of compassion.

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  99. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    What goes around comes around

    You reap what you Sow

    you can not make light of the loss of any Human life
    with out it having grave consequences in your own

    one thing the internet does though is show

    how truly sick people are

    You need to get help seriously professional help

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