General Debate 28 February 2014

February 28th, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Satire pushes boundaries, even shocks to impact. But this from @ImperatorFish is a nasty, disgraceful attack on Jamie Whyte and the ACT Party.

    Politics Explained: It’s all about the kids (I won’t repeat the details here).

    Imperator Fish is a satirical blog run by Scott Yorke, who is active in the Labour Party. I think the post should be withdrawn and an apology be given.

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  2. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    Why are you so damned prissy Pete George?

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  3. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Pete – I think this is your answer:

    Imperator Fish is a satirical blog

    I didn’t find it that offensive. It was Jamie Whyte’s fault for idiotic political strategy and hopefully he’ll learn from it. Scott Yorke is a screaming Labour apologist so no real surprise as to his take on it.

    Most people with a shred of intelligence will know that ACT are going to be targeted by the liberal media in the same way as CCCP, and that legalising incest is clearly not going to be a policy of the ACT party. He was just giving his genuine opinion on a controversial issue that was arguably consistent with ACT’s libertarian foundations. For that he deserves kudos for at least being consistent, if not politically wise.

    I know you are the self appointed “political sanitiser” (as your twitter handle states” but I don’t really see the issue here. I am sure no apology will be forthcoming, that’s for sure.

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  4. geoff3012 (28 comments) says:

    Pete – I think this is your answer:

    Ditto!

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  5. kowtow (6,724 comments) says:

    Universities used to pride themselves on being bastions of freedom.Today they are advocates of oppression.All in a good cause ……of course.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/campus/university-otago/293373/ban-roll-your-own-tobacco-prof-says

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  6. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Peter Williams from TVNZ on the leak:

    “I’m feeling pissed off! I’m absolutely mortified by the outcome,” Williams said. “Firstly, that the story got out of the TVNZ newsroom on Tuesday and was leaked to you guys [at the Herald]. There’s obviously a Deep Throat. But also because I was sold a pup, I was sold a different story … someone asked me to make it up.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11211041

    So a journalist is annoyed firstly because someone leaked something he did wrong and secondly because someone told him to do something that would violate his most basic professional ethic – to make something up and broadcast it as true – which he did, and he’s “pissed off?” At what? Doing something incredibly stupid and/or being caught at it?

    It’ll be interesting to see what TVNZ does about “Deep Throat.” Normally journalists protect the source and excoriate the subject of wrongdoing, don’t they. That’s part of what they do, all the time. Talk about being hoisted on your own petard. I only hope Campbell Live is the next stop for Deep Throat, closely followed by Checkpoint. Perhaps Deep Throat could tell Mary it’s completely mental to keep requiring guarantees “it will never happen again” from someone every single time anything goes wrong

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  7. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    Kowtow get this

    Evidence also revealed there was a high rate of roll-your-own cigarette smokers in disadvantaged groups in many countries, there being higher usage among New Zealand Maori, black South Africans and smokers of lower socioeconomic status in Australia, the United Kingdom, the United States and Canada.

    In New Zealand, roll-your-own smokers were more likely to have been diagnosed as having ”mental health, drug use and alcohol-related disorders and to have hazardous drinking patterns”, Prof Edwards said.

    What this pointy headed puritan doesn’t get is that the reason why rollies are common among the groups he identifies is because they are cheaper to smoke.

    God save us all from these self righteous, over paid, parasites on the public purse

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  8. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    I don’t agree, it’s nasty politics and totally misrepresents what Jamie Whyte was saying. I’m well aware of what satire is but it shouldn’t be used as an excuse for nasty attack politics.

    If Whale Oil said anything like that he’d be blasted all over the left of social media. Yorke should be given similar scrutiny.

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  9. Paulus (2,299 comments) says:

    The RNZ editors must have had prunes last night – I do not think I have heard so much vitriolic shit coming from them so far this morning.
    We know they hate the Government but almost every article was full of unproven piss and wind. I don’t know who the woman was on the early programme but she was terrible – hope we can sell RNZ quickly.

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  10. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    Great news for cricket fans, and for sports fans in general. Sky TV has the rights to the deciding test between South Africa and Australia starting tomorrow night.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/a-win-for-cricket-fans.html

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  11. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    I don’t agree, it’s nasty politics and totally misrepresents what Jamie Whyte was saying. I’m well aware of what satire is but it shouldn’t be used as an excuse for nasty attack politics.

    Clearly Pete you’re not “well aware of what satire is” for you keep making the same mistake over and over and over again. Your ‘rape culture’ “revelation” is another example of the same thing on a non-satirical subject.

    This tendency has been pointed out by many numerous times but you remain completely oblivious to the fact you’re doing it. You often make some quite good points but perhaps you should do yourself a favour and rather than denying you have this trait, examine your inner self on the hypothesis it may be true and see if you can’t get rid of it, because it obscures an otherwise valuable contributor.

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  12. kowtow (6,724 comments) says:

    Williams and the other prick making up shit should be sacked.

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  13. igm (880 comments) says:

    Paulus: Like you, I have never heard such bias, distorted, and disgusting pro-left journalism anywhere. They are obviously being directed by Little, via respective unions. Newstalk ZB were not too flash either, so there must be grounds for some type of inquiry into these outlets. I also take exception to this Bradford person, who, I understand, has stated she is an activist. Being the daughter of evil Sue, and protege of Soper, she is a typical example of what is polluting minds of politically ignorant public.
    Have we got rid of Lecher Len and Slobcom yet?

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  14. kowtow (6,724 comments) says:

    Good result for the government forces in Syria.

    Can’t say I’d be sorry to hear of any “Britons” or “kiwis” among them.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/02/syria-says-175-fighters-killed-near-damascus-20142270403540145.html

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  15. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    @nickb (8.23am): A “political sanitiser”?

    Isn’t that the moniker given to one of the staff who cleans the bogs at Parliament? :)

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  16. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    Reid (14,982 comments) says:

    February 28th, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Peter Williams from TVNZ on the leak:
    *****

    Heh Reid…

    You clearly do not know that Williams is NOT a journalist, and never has been one.

    He was an old TVNZ (old that is he lived at Avalon) sports broadcaster, specialising in cricket and golf.
    He was pushed aside when TVNZ decided to go with ex cricketers..

    But I do give him credit for being a better than most newsreader.

    But journalist he is not. What this exercise shows is that the entertainers/producers run the “news” as they see it , not journalists/ reporters.

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  17. dime (8,785 comments) says:

    “Great news for cricket fans, and for sports fans in general. Sky TV has the rights to the deciding test between South Africa and Australia starting tomorrow night.”

    WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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  18. dime (8,785 comments) says:

    Jesus, after petes meltdown up there i thought i better check it out:

    http://imperatorfish.com/2014/02/27/politics-explained-its-all-about-the-kids/

    “Labour: feed the kids.

    Conservatives: smack the kids.

    Maori Party: help the Maori kids.

    United Future: sensible policies for sensible kids.

    Mana Party: listen, kids, to the racist white man and all his bullshit racist white man policies.

    Greens: leave the world a better place for our kids.

    National: our kids have already left New Zealand for a better place.

    NZ First: you bloody kids!

    ACT: sleep with your kids, as soon as they’re old enough.”

    I was expecting something truly horrific.

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  19. SBY (120 comments) says:

    Thanks for the blog traffic this morning, Pete. Much appreciated.

    Keep that outrage going.

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  20. calendar girl (1,108 comments) says:

    “Williams and the other prick making up shit should be sacked.”

    That’s being a bit heavy-handed for the scale of the offence in my view, KT.

    But an astute TVNZ boss could publicly stand the duo down for two weeks, without pay, to reinfoce the importance that the company places on it’s journalistic integrity.

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  21. cha (3,540 comments) says:

    You clearly do not know that Williams is NOT a journalist, and never has been one

    From 2004 until 2009 he wrote for the Herald on Sunday.

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  22. Manolo (12,642 comments) says:

    A buffoon remembers: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/02/joe-biden-profile-103667.html#.Uw-b5-NxVcY

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  23. dime (8,785 comments) says:

    “From 2004 until 2009 he wrote for the Herald on Sunday.”

    as he said, williams is not a journalist :P

    was it a boring as golf column?

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  24. Sidey (231 comments) says:

    I wasn’t at all offended by Scott Yorke’s satirical post. For some strange reason, it wasn’t there waiting beside my breakfast bowl with a note attached ordering me, upon pain of death, to read it. So I didn’t, and haven’t. Ergo – not offended. Pretty simple really.

    I guess to be offended you’d have to go looking for the column, and then decide to keep reading once you’d decided it was offensive to you. Who does that? Part of being an adult is deciding not to do things that harm you, physically or emotionally.

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  25. Ross12 (931 comments) says:

    I don’t know all the details of the Pike River/ Peter Whitall court case situation but I heard Helen Kelly being interviewed last night. It seems she just wants to milk the situation for political reasons. Whitall may have done some things wrong but probably so did the Labour Dept inspectors and the workers themselves. The families have received a lot of compensation ( not that money solves everthing) and unlike Kelly I don’t see that anyone would benefit from having Whitall put away for many years.

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  26. Manolo (12,642 comments) says:

    Nothing offensive. P.G. It is satire.

    Did you wake up on the wrong side of bed? Did a feminist offend you this morning? Relax and get laid, it is the best therapy.

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  27. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    Pike River Perversion.

    In the letter to Labour, Worksafe high hazards general manager Brett Murray says he was “aware that there have been wildly inaccurate allegations”

    made by a number of people (and reported as “fact” by media and others) that there was some sort of “backroom deal” done between the defence and

    the prosecution which “let Mr Whittall off in return for these payments”.

    While he accepts that Mr Grieve’s letter could lead to further suggestions of this kind, “I wish to make it very clear, again, that there was no such

    arrangement between the defence and prosecution”.

    Mr Murray states the offer of money “was a part, but only a part, of the Ministry’s considerations about the status of the charges laid against Mr

    Whittall”.

    The critical issues in the decision were witness availability and “public interest considerations”.

    But Council of Trade Unions President Helen Kelly said the way the Crown dealt with Mr Grieve’s letter should make all New Zealanders “seriously

    concerned”.

    “The letter makes clear that Mr Whittall’s offer of payments to Pike River families was conditional on the Ministry of Business, Innovation and

    Employment agreeing that ‘no evidence would be offered’ at Mr Whittall’s trial, thereby ensuring he was acquitted.”

    - NZ Herald –

    If I did something like that I’d be charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice.–

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  28. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    But an astute TVNZ boss could publicly stand the duo down for two weeks, without pay, to reinforce the importance that the company places on it’s journalistic integrity.

    You mean to be seen to reinforce… cg?

    What amuses me is that Labour’s primary propaganda outlet has just been crippled at the very moment it was primed to swing covertly into action on behalf of its beloved party. When I say covertly I don’t mean we can’t see what they do, I mean the general public don’t.

    But now they can’t do any of that because if they try to it will be immediately leapt on in great fury by any number of commentators. By lifting the rock and letting us all see the lizards underneath it, Deep Throat has done more for democracy in this country than any other journalist I can think of. Well done, whoever you are.

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  29. martinh (836 comments) says:

    Why is DPF not doing a posting on this Whittel issue?
    I agree with above about perverting the course of justice, i dont think money should be able to literally buy your way out of a trial. And i dont like the bleach blond judge trying to say it wasnt

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  30. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    martinh

    What are you saying? That the Crown and its agencies should take every case where the advice is that the chances of winning are worse than a snowball’s chance in hell?

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  31. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    @ Ross12 – the role of the EPMU and of staff on site at Pike River is not of necessity squeaky clean. The vilification of Whittal could be interpreted as a “Look! Over there!!” strategy.

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  32. martinh (836 comments) says:

    Snowball chance in hell?
    This was a guy who ran the mine, dont you think it would of being good to have his knowledge of the non maintained, non existent safety mechanisms which he was responsible for as mine manager interrogated in court?

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  33. martinh (836 comments) says:

    Have you seen the case to know that it was poor, or are you taking findlaysons word on that? BTW isnt he a National Party Minister?

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  34. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    Cha…
    That Williams “write” for The Herald on Sunday does NOT make him a journalist/reporter. He has no background in reporting.

    He is yet another personality generated by the self perpetuating TV children

    I seem to recall that he married (second time – no criticism since his first wife died after a long illness) some sort of magazine editor/publisher.

    So… NOT a journalist/reporter. Just a “fronter”.

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  35. igm (880 comments) says:

    Pike River is being used for more political inferences by Labour, driven by Snake Kelly and Wimp O’Connor. What happened is terrible, with lives lost, but allowing this disaster to be used for political gain is a bloody disgrace, anyone who takes part in it is no better than the two aforementioned losers.

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  36. Peter (1,471 comments) says:

    I didn’t find it that offensive. It was Jamie Whyte’s fault for idiotic political strategy and hopefully he’ll learn from it.

    Agreed. This is the reason the right needs to wake-the-**** up when dealing with media trolls. They play gotcha. They getcha. And then they selectively repeat it over and over again until it becomes “truth”.

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  37. jcuk (506 comments) says:

    When you get a speeding ticket you pay a fine … seems like a very good solution that the families get more lollies rather than the taxpayers be burdened with the costs of months long trial. The taxpayer has not done anything wrong so why should they be penalised? Then there is the gravy train of those involved in a long trial … tough bickies.

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  38. kowtow (6,724 comments) says:

    The excellent Karl du Fresne on being suspicious of journalism schools.

    http://karldufresne.blogspot.co.nz/2011/06/another-reason-to-be-suspicious-of.html

    And it doesn’t matter whether people like Williams ( and indeed the Oirish bird from RNZ who was accused of plagiarism) are “journalists” or reporters.They represent major “news” organisations,both taxpayer funded,and so it’s also about the perception of the integrity of the organisations they work for.

    Not long ago one of the female presenters on RNZ tried to say “personned” flight referring to a space mission, instead of “manned”……no joke! This is the standard of journalism from our news organisations of “repute”.

    What a farce.

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  39. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Imperator Fishgate continues…

    http://imperatorfish.com/2014/02/28/no-comment/

    Readers, I really value your feedback. I’m interested in what you have to say, and I always take note of your opinions.

    That’s why I’m disabling comments on this blog.

    I get plenty of feedback about this blog, some of it good, some of it neutral, and some of it from Pete George. But the most valuable debates and discussions I have with people about what I write occur on other forms of social media, such as Twitter and Facebook.

    So if you have something you need to tell me, go and like my Facebook page or follow me on Twitter. Ever considerate towards the needs of my readers, I have included “like” and “follow” buttons on my homepage.

    Or go to the “Contact me” page on this site and send me a message.

    Please don’t be put out by this move. Be assured that it’s not that I don’t love you any more. I do, with all of my heart. Even Pete George.

    The Pete George spambot claims another scalp?

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  40. Nigel Kearney (747 comments) says:

    >Why is DPF not doing a posting on this Whittel issue?

    Martinh, David doesn’t post on everything that happens in NZ. I went to stuff.co.nz and couldn’t see anything about Whittal on the front page there either. Actually I think maybe the entire internet is conspiring to suppress anything that could embarrass our government. This could be huge. You should definitely look into it.

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  41. dime (8,785 comments) says:

    “The Pete George spambot claims another scalp?” LMAO

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  42. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Manolo

    He’s just a bit overwrought because of the rape culture. He has to maintain balance between his yin and yang to maintain his harmony. This can be demonstrated algebraically:

    Let A = Yin
    Let B = Yang
    Let C= PG’s state of harmony.

    The proposition is that: A+B = C (old fortune cookie principle)
    PG’s harmony will be in balance where: C=0.
    So, we Let C=0, then A+B = 0
    meaning that A= -B

    In PG’s case; -B is comprised: -B1 (rape culture) -B2 (UF jokes) -B3 (UF reality) -B4 (Andrea *%&#! Vance) -B5 (not getting any for fear of participating in the rape culture) -B6 people who aren’t sensible, reasonable and fair and of course, we shouldn’t forget that other major pea under his mattress: -B7 (the Stranded).

    ie, -B = -B1-B2-B3-B4-B5-B6-B7

    As you can see, PG is carting some very heavy angst about. In order to balance out his harmony he needs to find some A. We are familiar with some of them: A1 (an uptick) A2 (the autographed photo of P dunne) A3 (putting shit on CCCP), A4 (posting links to his blog) A5 (someone following a link to his blog – usually accidental because the user has checked the link properties but PG doesn’t know that) and so on. No need to go on but you’ll get the gist.

    Now, all that happened this morning was that when PG added up his commencing yin and yang, he found:

    A + B = <0, meaning he needed some more A – "An", being a the missing spot of faux outrage and indignation to keep him in balance. You'll be aware that this isn't an isolated occurrence (in fact I think that's what started the rape culture thing).

    So, if we introduce "Ax" as the commencing harmony before adjustment, and "An" as the required Yin to achieve balance then harmony occurs where: Ax+An =A=-B, or, (Ax+An) -B = 0.

    Today, the missing Yin (An) was supplied by the Scott Yorke gripe.

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  43. kowtow (6,724 comments) says:

    “The Pete George spambot claims another scalp?”

    or the Beige Badger strikes again.

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  44. martinh (836 comments) says:

    Nigel
    Looked into your claim, not true in this case
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/west-coast/9768728/Claim-of-deal-on-Whittall-charges
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11211333

    Seems like you like DPF just reposting old posts on the regions in what looks like a diversion. I just like to know how biased his posts are and this indicates they are very biased, which disappoints me

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  45. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Actually I think maybe the entire internet is conspiring to suppress anything that could embarrass our government. This could be huge. You should definitely look into it.

    You’re dead right. I read something about this on the internet.

    Don’t let them get away with it martin.

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  46. Manolo (12,642 comments) says:

    @davincimode: Who am I to fault your impeccable mathematical demonstration? Its logic shines through and the equation numbers speak by themselves.

    The P.G. theorem is proven: the grey badger and UF are worth zero!

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  47. flash2846 (132 comments) says:

    @Pete George – would this be a little more accurate?

    Labour: Indoctrinate the kids.

    Conservatives: teach the kids responsibility.

    Maori Party: help the Maori kids and punish the other kids.

    United Future: pass secrets about the kids.

    Mana Party: commit indecent acts on the kids and blame white people.

    Greens: use the kids to make money.

    National: arm our kids for a prosperous future.

    NZ First: Fuck off kids, you don’t vote!

    ACT: educate the kids.

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  48. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode: So where is the square root….? :P

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  49. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    dvm I wonder what Pete’s going to say when he reads about his mathematically proven imbalance. I’m predicting a minus from him to balance it all up. In fact he may even need to open another browser and give you a couple.

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  50. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Mathematics Manolo – the key to the universe.

    If I had the time, I could knock out the equation for Viscount Cunners using improbability theory.

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  51. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Reid

    That downtick for seems to have provided the requisite “An” on previous occasions however, bear in mind that the other principle that applies here is that A-B must never exceed 0, otherwise he would be happy. So down-ticking me might just take him over the edge.

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  52. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    LAC

    The there is no square root because it would only exacerbate the rape culture.

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  53. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    Why is DPF not doing a posting on this Whittel issue?

    If this issue is so important to you, start a blog and post on it yourself…oh, and perhaps take the time to spell the blokes name correctly so it comes up if people google?

    Seriously though, bloke (through his lawyer) says “I’ve got a pot of cash that I’m going to use for my legal defence, and by the way I reckon I’ve got a strong case, but if the need for that legal defence goes away I can give the money to the families.”

    Prosecution thinks: “He’s got a point, what’s the chance we’re going to get anywhere with this? If we can it, the families get money instead of lawyers…”

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  54. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    martinh

    Well I think that’s what most of us would have thought at first blush. But the fact remains, the advice is such that there was insufficient evidence to nail him.

    The problem with convicting people on the basis of presumption, assumption and emotion is that the entire populace would be in jail in very short order, which would cause a crash in the property market and send the banks under.

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  55. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Precisely James S. But it’s more fun to have a conspiracy.

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  56. wiseowl (577 comments) says:

    Hope all you Aucklanders have made your submissions on the Auckland Unitary Plan.
    The blueprint to ruin NZ through council control of your life.
    Coming to your area soon.

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  57. kowtow (6,724 comments) says:

    Human Rights watch has released a report on Education under attack globally.

    http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/02/27/attacking-education-war-tactic-globally-study-shows

    They list the 30 worst countries .24 of them are Muslim or have significant Muslim populations.How odd.

    Mind you they do manage in the very first example given to blame Buddhists for an outrage in Burma.Why am I not surprised?

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  58. SGA (546 comments) says:

    thedavincimode at 10:20 am

    The there is no square root because it would only exacerbate the rape culture.

    I thought Petethagoras’s Theorem was a^2+b^2=c^2. Are you saying that it’s been reduced to a+b=c because the solution to the former often requires the use of square roots? Pity. /satire

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  59. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    In jumping on the bashwagon some of you seem to be forgetting the core issue.

    From the original post at Ruminator and what Jamie Whyte originally said:

    But what about incest – should the state intervene if adult siblings want to marry each other?

    “Well personally, I don’t think they [the State] should. However, it’s a matter of almost no significance because it just doesn’t happen.” If nothing else, I’m impressed by the consistency in his belief in Classical Liberalism. I can’t think of any other NZ politicians I could get that answer from. Jamie quickly reminds me that these are his views, not ACT views and not policies he’ll be representing in his job as leader

    http://ruminator.co.nz/mr-ryght/

    For that Jamie and ACT are being hammered for being supporters of incest and now also implied as child abusers.

    That’s dishonest, ignorant and nasty politics. Aided and abetted by those who say it’s fair game, and those who attack me for opposing it.

    While political animals commonly don’t care who a party they don’t support is attacked this sort of politics turns off the voters in droves, and our democracy is the poorer for it.

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  60. thePeoplesFlag (102 comments) says:

    Pete George ihas been all pissy about satire ever since Danyl revealed Pete had never heard of Jonathan Swift.

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  61. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Labour: Indoctrinate the kids.

    Conservatives: teach the kids responsibility.

    No, no, it’s indoctrination when you do it. It’s teaching when we do it.

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  62. alex Masterley (1,439 comments) says:

    wiseowl @ 10:34
    Submitted electronically last night.
    The short version is tear it up and start again.

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  63. Manolo (12,642 comments) says:

    On a mathematical vein, I post Hairy Dunne’s Theorem, a brilliant creation from Dunedin’s Euler, aka P.G.

    It states that given Peter’s head with hairs all over it, it is impossible to comb it continuously and have all the hairs lay flat. Some of the lecher’s hair must be sticking straight up!

    Germaine Greer has added a more formal version stating that any continuous tangent vector field on the sphere must have a point where the vector is zero.

    Question for KB’s keenest brains: is the same true on a torus? We may need to ask Andrea Vance.

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  64. srylands (302 comments) says:

    OK time for today’s “The Standard Idea of the Day”. A Government owned supermarket. You couldn’t make this up.

    “Kiwimart could be a great way of focusing on Kiwi Goods and it could even be done inside the existing supermarkets. Imagine if there was a Kiwi Goods section in the supermarket, or Kiwi Goods shelves distributed amongst each Supermarket sector.
    ………..
    “It becomes a pointless ‘moan’ unless a Government is prepared to act and rolling out across the country a Supermarket chain capable of introducing a real level of competitive pricing among the big 2 currently operating in this country would provide to the average citizen ‘gains’ on a number of levels along with a profit making enterprise for the Governments coffers “

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  65. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    Come down off your high horse Pete George

    Do you want to ban political cartoons as well?

    We are supposed to live in a representative democracy, we don’t but that is our myth, and in choosing who we would like to represent us we evaluate the character of those who put themselves up for the job and what they stand for.

    This is all part of that process

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  66. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    SGA

    No conflict here. It’s simply that Petehagoras developed his theory without knowing of the future existence of Petegeorge. That is no criticism of Pete (thagoras). How could he have possibly conceived the possible existence of the random variable that would exclude a square root from my analysis?

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  67. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    ‘It breaks my heart to see this nation that for decades welcomed refugees from other countries ripped apart and forced into exile itself,’ Guterres told the U.N. General Assembly. Just five years ago, Syria hosted the world’s second-largest number of refugees, he said.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2568251/UN-calls-Syrian-warring-sides-allow-aid-flow.html

    Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Ukraine. Death follows the UKUSA wherever they set foot, while the useful idiots at home clap and bray as they focus on the human wights disguise, never pausing to think that maybe behind the mask there lies a skull holding a scythe, soon to come to a town near them.

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  68. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    thePeoplesFlag – that’s false, Danyl wasn’t involved (apart from eventually blocking my comments). I had heard of Swift. And I was criticising something I (and others) thought was repulsive.

    Satire can shock. But that doesn’t make it immune from criticism, especially when used as an excuse to attack opposing politicians and parties.

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  69. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Do you want to ban political cartoons as well?

    Don’t be pathetic. I’m not trying to ban anything. Are you trying to ban me from criticising things I think are inappropriate?

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  70. Manolo (12,642 comments) says:

    C’mon Petethagoras, explain us to the square root of -1. Go for it, since you are a genius of imaginary things.

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  71. EAD (324 comments) says:

    I thought I’d leave it a day before I commented on the Whyte interview.

    On reflection, whilst not the ideal choice of topics, I can guarantee you that there are a number of people in NZ that have woken up this morning and thought about what he said and it made them question the very inner core of their beliefs about what the role of the State is in society. They’re probably thinking to themselves “you know what, he actually has a point – why can’t 2 consenting adults live as they choose fit if they do no harm to others”? Sure he would have alienated a much, much larger number but I doubt it they’d vote for him anyway.

    If you have more and more people questioning themselves on what the actual role of the State is, we might just be able to turn the Progressive machine around. When we have a so called “right-wing” government running up 5 times more debt in six years of government than the entire 160+ years of previous governments, you know something has gone seriously seriously wrong in our society. When the same so called “right-wing” government has supported laws that restrict our personal freedoms like how we discipline our children, what we eat, drink, say and allows itself to spy on us, we can only begin to imagine what is going to happen when Labour and the Greens get in.

    So whilst not the best choice of words, he has got people thinking about the principle of Liberty and once you understand Liberty, people don’t change their mind. That in my mind is a wonderful thing.

    Remember, It does not take a majority to prevail… but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.

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  72. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “I was criticising something I (and others) thought was repulsive.”

    “Don’t be pathetic. I’m not trying to ban anything. Are you trying to ban me from criticising things I think are inappropriate?”

    Er, actually Pete, your original post (February 28th, 2014 at 8:08 am) went beyond criticism and called for (self) censorship:

    “I think the post should be withdrawn…”

    Have you considered the Barbra Streisand effect? More to the point have Whyte, Prebble or ACT complained?

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  73. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Er, actually Pete, your original post (February 28th, 2014 at 8:08 am) went beyond criticism and called for (self) censorship:

    “I think the post should be withdrawn…”

    I’m interested to hear about how calling for self-censorship is like wanting to ban things.

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  74. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    That’s dishonest, ignorant and nasty politics. Aided and abetted by those who say it’s fair game, and those who attack me for opposing it.

    Pete, newsflash.

    Firstly, none of us need you or anyone else to proclaim something all of us already know.

    Secondly, none of us have said it’s fair game or anything like that. If you think any of us have, then go ahead and find it. And who cares if you find a single obscure reference that may or may not say it and triumphantly post it with a big “ta-da.” You’re implying there are many of us who’ve said that so go ahead and find many posts that are saying it.

    Thirdly, pointing out you’re prissy is not an attack, it’s a factual statement. You are. And the posts made today here on GD about your comment refers not to the content you posted but to that prissy nature of yours. So we’re not “attacking you for opposing it” – duh. We’re laughing about the FACT you’re a prissy grey badger who can’t even look in the mirror.

    As I said above, and it was a serious suggestion, look in the mirror and change yourself. You can start by learning to recognise the difference between abuse and humour. Have you ever noticed you get lots of upticks when you post something on politics that isn’t prissy and lots of downticks when you post something that is? Is it possible there might be a reason for that record?

    Finally, if as someone said above, your mission statement is along the lines of cleaning up political discourse, can I respectfully suggest that’s the most gallopingly mental thing I’ve ever heard of? Who appointed you class monitor? Man I bet you just loved to put on the sash as you galloped out to your appointed duty as school crossing guard. I bet you took it real serious. Most of us grow up Pete and develop a sense of humour. It appears you never have. I can’t help that, but can I suggest you change your mission statement to something along the lines of providing astute insights? That might help with your karma batting average.

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  75. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Key words are “I think’ Kimbo. That’s an opinion, not doing anything to try and prevent it remaining.

    The point is it was my opinion, although I have since become aware there is some concern within ACT.

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  76. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    EAD

    There are a couple of good reasons that suggest that the state has a role here.

    1. The obvious Christchurch factor – ie inbreeding.
    2. The prospect that the power of coercion will be of greater influence in family relationships such that truly free will is not involved (eg a parent and a child).

    As for not voting for him because of this, it was perfectly clear what he was saying, particularly given he said he was personally strongly opposed to incest. Only a media hack, Viscount Cunners or some other complete idiot (such as kowtow for example) would caste such a pejorative smear on an honest and clear answer.

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  77. martinh (836 comments) says:

    TheDivinciCode

    Well we never get to see the evidence of why they brought the charge in the first place and we dont get to hear of any stuff ups by police/crown law etc on what evidence they stuffed up or did not collect. ie not obtaining laptops etc

    Thats why i want to know more and i also want to know what the defence lawyer was going to bring up about how the govt let this place be run.
    Seems like a payout could of being better suited to hide negiglence on the govt and prosecuting side rather than from the defence

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  78. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    can I suggest you change your mission statement to something along the lines of providing astute insights?

    Reid, my insights get frequent mentions in the political roundups posted at Liberation, NZ Herald and NBR. What about yours?

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  79. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “I’m interested to hear about how calling for self-censorship is like wanting to ban things.”

    Self-censorship after publication is a self-imposed ban.

    Self-censorship has the same practical effect as a ban – it is withdrawing it from public circulation. Rather than using legislation, one attempts to use social pressure to psychologically enforce conformity – which is needed to make any legislation work anyway.

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  80. Fletch (5,727 comments) says:

    re: Williams et al – it’s what is known as the ‘Noble Lie’, or “fake but accurate”.

    The latest example of this is where 2 American DJs invented totally a story about a child’s birthday invitation that another parent had written on, declining her child attending because of the homosexual relationship of the parents of the birthday girl.
    Totally made up.

    In a nutshell, what happened was this: two radio hosts in Long Island decided to spike their ratings by forging a fake RSVP to a child’s birthday party. According to the fictitious account, the mother of one of the guests wrote a homophobic screed on the back of the invitation, addressed to the birthday girl’s two homosexual parents. The story quickly went viral and was picked up by Huffington Post, Jezebel, and all the usual suspects.

    It blazed its merry way across the Internet until the two hosts came clean and said, “Whoops, actually we just made that up. Our bad.”

    Let’s pass over the actions and motivations of the two radio jackholes who fabricated this whole sorry mess in the first place. One would have hoped that — so soon after L’Affaire Dayna Morales – the media would have exercised a little more skepticism before blindly running this story, if only to cover their own backsides in case it blew up (which it did).

    Nope, that didn’t happen. And it wasn’t even that they swallowed it in an excess of credulity either. No, it was far worse! Jezebel reporter Lindy West admitted in her piece that it sounded fake to her, but she covered it anyway!

    Of course, this note could be a fake just to get us all frothing and get this radio station’s name in the news. It kind of seems fake. What modern homophobe actually puts “lifestyle” in scare-quotes? Too on-the-nose, man. Also, who names their kid “Tommy” in the 21st century? Shoulda gone with “Bragen,” imo.

    But, fake or not, “Beth”‘s homophobic mindset is real and common and gross. So froth away.

    This is not just gross journalistic malfeasance at play here. Episodes such as this one are sterling examples of the classic left-wing tactic of the “noble lie.”

    First formulated by the socialist thinker Georges Sorel, the “noble lie” was devised to address the problem of Karl Marx’s projections about economics and societal trends not coming to fruition. For Sorel, such details were unimportant. As long as people believed what Marx wrote to be true, they could be rallied to revolutionary action. Pillars of left-wing ideology were to be transformed from statements of objective fact into tenets of a new socialist faith.

    Sorel’s intellectual heirs in America have defaulted to this tactic time and again. Rachael Carson’s Silent Spring is riddled with faulty math and shady logic. It doesn’t matter, because they served the pre-arrived conclusions and goals of the burgeoning environmentalist left. The same holds true for Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW). It hardly matters to the left if the Earth is actually warming or cooling — or if humans are indeed having an adverse effect on the environment. As long as concern for the state of the planet serves as the impetus to push through long-dreamed economic controls on industry and commerce, AGW serves it purpose.

    And who can forget the forged Texas Air National Guard documents that surfaced right before the 2004 election? To liberals, it was important that the public view George W. Bush as privileged draft-dodger, so the fake records were reported without proper vetting. And then, once it came to light that they were transparent forgeries, the documents were defended as being “fake but accurate.”

    We are seeing the exact same thing here. The only difference is that this time the lie is at the service of the gay rights movement, and no “inconvenient truth” can be allowed to interfere with the left’s agenda.

    “So what if this was fake?!” the liberals cry. “We know that this is how people who believe homosexuality is immoral really think! It’s all bigotry at its core!”

    http://www.pocketfullofliberty.com/new-fake-but-accurate/

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  81. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    martinh

    Your point being?

    Are you suggesting that the criminal justice system and actions brought pursuant to our regulatory environment (eg Health & Safety) should be subject to final approval by you? Or just the potential actions that do not proceed for lack of evidence to secure a conviction? I prefer the present system in which we pay suitably qualified people to do this work.

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  82. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    My insights get frequent mentions in the political roundups posted at Liberation, NZ Herald and NBR Reid. What about yours

    ’tis but a small step to “I get lots of up-ticks” from here. Accelerating down the slippery slope like Cool Runnings…

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  83. EAD (324 comments) says:

    thedavincimode

    good point(s).

    As you note, if you actually read what was written, he wasn’t approving incest at all, he was merely answering a hypothetical question posed to him, which in reality wouldn’t be party policy, wouldn’t get changed in law, wouldn’t be raised as an issue and will still be looked upon in disgust by 99.99% of the population so nothing would change. He was using said example to highlight what Liberty is.

    Laws cover the coercion factor you mention and as to inbreeding – no matter how many laws there are prohibiting such activities, the only way to 100% be sure of stopping it is by having a camera in every single bedroom in the country. That would stop all incest but it is not a society I’d like to live in.

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  84. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Reid, my insights get frequent mentions in the political roundups posted at Liberation, NZ Herald and NBR. What about yours?

    In the words of David “Bumble” Lloyd “Oh boy, get ‘em a set of ‘andbags”!

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  85. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “Key words are “I think’ Kimbo. That’s an opinion, not doing anything to try and prevent it remaining.”

    Now you are rationalising and trying to inject the canard of defamation law.

    You are stating an opinion in a public forum in the hope of garnering support so that social pressure will be placed on someone to take action.

    And you are whinging when similar pressure is placed on you via the disagreement you have inspired, because they consider your opinion and actions prissy.

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  86. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Up-ticks here mean nothing, although some seem to need them for support. Being sneered at by Reid versus what I (modestly) achieve? I’m happy with what I’m doing. Being piled on here by a few nonentity numpties is small sign of some success. FHM.

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  87. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Starting to hyperventilate now.

    So put out that he omitted to add: “So there!”

    PG, I guess this kicks you into the lofty orbit of heavyweight political and social commentators.

    Congratulations.

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  88. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    versus what I (modestly) achieve?

    And what exactly is that Pete?

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  89. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    “What are you saying? That the Crown and its agencies should take every case where the advice is that the chances of winning are worse than a snowball’s chance in hell?”

    Crown Lawyers told the cops there was enough evidence to charge him with 28 charges but now that the 3mil fine has been paid there’s a “snowball’s chance in hell” of proving anything. How could Crown Law have got it so wrong? All the ranting in the world won’t alter the fact that justice has been perverted.

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  90. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    tdm – far from heavyweight, just dabbling, but there’s a number of things, for example:
    See NBR: http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nz-politics-daily-year-blogsters-bd-152433
    Or NZH: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11210282

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  91. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    srylands (254 comments) says:

    February 28th, 2014 at 10:48 am

    OK time for today’s “The Standard Idea of the Day”. A Government owned supermarket. You couldn’t make this up.

    “Kiwimart could be a great way of focusing on Kiwi Goods and it could even be done

    ******

    Excellent idea…. bring back the days of the GUM stores in the Soviet Union for the likes of the flag waver, Yoza, Psycho and Rossie and their “perhaps” brief cases. (For the uninitiated, the “perhaps” brief cases were carried, empty, in case a particular item appeared at GUM. If it was a high demand item, it would be sold out almost as soon as it went on display.)

    Lord, those that would take us there are fools. But by believing the rubbish they spout, they demonstrate their stupidity.

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  92. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    How do I know those are real links to those sources described and not to your blog?

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  93. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    There you are, thedavincimode.

    Pete keeps holiday snaps (including the same one in different albums!), and brings them out on his unsuspecting guests at the first excuse. I blame you for providing him with the opportunity…

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  94. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Self-censorship after publication is a self-imposed ban.

    Self-censorship has the same practical effect as a ban – it is withdrawing it from public circulation. Rather than using legislation, one attempts to use social pressure to psychologically enforce conformity – which is needed to make any legislation work anyway.

    Okay, Kimbo.

    So how would you describe the difference between (a) someone trying to convince me to stop being Christian and (b) banning Christianity?

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  95. martinh (836 comments) says:

    TheDaVinciCode
    Im not sure what you mean about me but i want to see what negotiations went on.
    Do you think that all the paperwork about this case about all these dead NZers should be open out for all to see or are you happy because you think that all those beaureaucrats you pay a intellectually superior to you and so you blindly trust career beaurecrats and poiticans?

    Dont forget beaureaucrats have an obligation to follow their political masters who i and you if you are a NZ elect and i want to see what they have done regarding this case on these dead men

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  96. EAD (324 comments) says:

    Pete George – “Reid, my insights get frequent mentions in the political roundups posted at Liberation, NZ Herald and NBR. What about yours”

    So what?

    Paul Krugman writes for the New York Times and has a Nobel Prize for economics. The EU, Yasser Arafat and Barack Obama have a Nobel Peace Prize. Al Gore wrote a book and released a film about some inconvenient(for him) truths. Tariana Turia is in the Cabinet.

    The appeal to authority is a sign of someone who doesn’t have much confidence in their argument.

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  97. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Kimbo – I said I thought a comment was inappropriate and would be better withdrawn. Big deal.

    How does that compare to the frequent attempts to shut me up, drive me away, shout me down, discredit me etc etc here? You know, like “stating an opinion in a public forum in the hope of garnering support so that social pressure will be placed on someone to take action.”

    I just say it how it is and carry on. It’s very seeing funny criticising me for “whining” when you consider how much whining is done about me – including by you.

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  98. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    martinh

    If you want to understand what I’m getting at then read what I said. But I think your position is that you would rather have had the prosecution proceed and fail so that you could then opine of the merits of the decision, and for the victims’ families to have got nothing. That way, you could feel good about justice being seen to be done, which is necessary in your opinion because the lawyers that the state pays to do this stuff don’t know what they are doing.

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  99. martinh (836 comments) says:

    THeDavinciCode

    I would rather of had the prosecution proceed and win or fail, at least then i would of heard all this info that the defence said was spectacular against other parties, which im pretty sure included the govt.
    Dont you feel disappointed you didnt hear all this take place in court? You do vote dont you and want to be fully informed when doing so dont you or do you look the other way like so many people just do as thats so much easier, just let these big guys sort it out for me eh??

    How pathetic DPF hasnt done a post on this, im losing respect for him

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  100. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    Gosh oh golly gee wiz….
    Jackinhisbox is all a tizz.

    Tell us, was it the “cops” who laid the charges?
    If so how is MIBE involved?

    There is such a thing as prosecution belief, but that is NOT good enough. There has to be proof. If potential “witnesses” do not wish to give evidence, or to depose, there is bugger all the Crown can do about it.

    “I am not sure” or “I do not recall” are not exactly capable to persuading any Judge.
    The conclusion reached by MIBE was correct, assuming the info on witness availability is correct.

    It was NOT a Whittal [sic] pay-out. It was a corporate risk liability insurance pay-out (paraphrased).

    Little/Kelly will find that their rants are a boomerang. The public knows what has been paid in compensation. The highest sum ever is enough!

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  101. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    How do I know those are real links to those sources described and not to your blog?

    It must be joke Friday. Or that’s a very weak attempt at a comeback.

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  102. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “So how would you describe the difference between (a) someone trying to convince me to stop being Christian and (b) banning Christianity?”

    I’d suggest it is a false analogy compared to Pete’s original comments/actions/intent.

    Pete wasn’t interested in “convincing” Yorke that his entire belief system was wrong (as one would do when seeking to dissuade someone with a religious conviction).

    Instead, he was seeking, in a context (the blogosphere) where freedom of expression is at an absolute premium and is surely THE supreme value that someone should exercise self-censorship. Which had the same EFFECT as a ban.

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  103. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Kimbo – you seem to be trying to effectively ban me from criticising Yorke. Trying to impose self-censorship on me.

    What’s the difference?

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  104. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Or that’s a very weak attempt at a comeback.

    You’re right of course Pete. I was absolutely gutted that two media sources have referred to you when they always ignore me.

    I realise that I need to become a better person and not be envious of your success.

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  105. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    tdm – but you don’t keep saying how great your insights are like Reid does. Someone with his superior ability should surely be just about editor of something.

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  106. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    … and you about yours. Yes perhaps that’s the key. I can be famous too!

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  107. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    Not all Pete.

    I’m completely in favour of you continuing to post. Don’t withdraw a single one – ever!

    I’m surprised someone who purports to stride the blogosphere correcting others doesn’t see it that way. Short of inciting violence or other dangerous harmful activity, NO post should ever be withdrawn EVER. Especially SATIRE!

    In fact I am in favour of your words being permanently etched in bronze for the amusement of generations yet to come.

    However, can I suggest you change your moniker to “Frustrated of Dunedin” in the hope that you too will get the joke.

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  108. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    But I’m not frustrated, as I said earlier, I’m happy with what I’ve been able to achieve. There’s far more frustration evident with others here, that’s why they keep lashing out in futility.

    Are you sure the joke’s not on you?

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  109. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    tdm – far from heavyweight, just dabbling, but there’s a number of things, for example:

    Actually Pete there’s only one thing since the same article was in both publications. You probably hoped people wouldn’t notice – most unfair, unreasonable and insensible.

    Personally I prefer to work at the subliminal level and I’m gratified to see that after years of wolling my r’s when talking about lefties many are now using it all over the place all the time so that little project’s achieved and continues to achieve ongoing penetration far more effectively that a one-time reference amongst many others in a single article that everyone except you have now forgotten about. (I expect you’ve framed it and you’re looking at it right now, aren’t you. Possibly with your name in bold.) Another one I’ve started is on Brown’s Narcissistic Personality Disorder which I began when Whale first published the affidavit and that’s bubbling away nicely so that’s two examples of my insights which get real demonstrated rubber on the road as demonstrated by uptake by others, as opposed to yours which are all in your own, tiny mind.

    I suggest you take my advice and look in the mirror Pete. As I said you really do sometimes make some quite good points, it would be good to see more of those and less of the other type because as you can see on the current thread, most people disagree with your own self-assessment and that should tell you something other than they’re just attacking you because you’re effective. People don’t work like that Pete, they don’t care about what you say, they care about what they say. The only time they care about what you say is when you demonstrate with yet another post that you’re a bit of a plonker and people naturally enough, want to point that out to you again and again and again. If you don’t believe me review the above.

    There’s far more frustration evident with others here, that’s why they keep lashing out in futility.

    See what I mean Pete? Case closed.

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  110. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Are you sure the joke’s not on you?

    Too easy.

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  111. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    I’d suggest it is a false analogy compared to Pete’s original comments/actions/intent.

    Pete wasn’t interested in “convincing” Yorke that his entire belief system was wrong (as one would do when seeking to dissuade someone with a religious conviction).

    No, he was doing something far more minor. He was interested in convincing Yorke that one quite specific belief – that the post wasn’t worth withdrawing – was wrong.

    Instead, he was seeking, in a context (the blogosphere) where freedom of expression is at an absolute premium and is surely THE supreme value that someone should exercise self-censorship. Which had the same EFFECT as a ban.

    A ban would be someone forced to withdraw their post against their will.

    Self-censorship would be someone choosing to withdraw their post of their own volition.

    They are, if anything, opposites.

    I understand that social pressures can be exerted on someone to say or not say a particular thing, just as much as reasoned arguments can convince someone to change their mind about what they say. But social pressures, mockery, etc., are not the same thing as forcing people to say or not say a particular thing, as Pete George is demonstrating in this thread right now.

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  112. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    most people disagree with your own self-assessment

    How do you know that? Most people don’t tick and most people don’t comment – which isn’t surprising when you see what happens here with swarms of pissiness from a small posse of plonkers.

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  113. thePeoplesFlag (102 comments) says:

    “…Reid, my insights get frequent mentions in the political roundups posted at NZ Herald and NBR…”

    Hey, you might wanna be careful about advertising who you associate with their Petey. After all, Hitler might have been a vegetarian but you don’t see many vegetarians advertising the fact.

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  114. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    you don’t keep saying how great your insights are like Reid does. Someone with his superior ability should surely be just about editor of something.

    Oh dear, Pete’s attacking me with lies. Oh I’m so offended. What a nasty vicious animal you are Pete. I demand you substantiate by showing me where I’ve ever said anything like that ever and if you can’t, I demand you withdraw and apologise. As well as grovel publicly and send me a nice gift basket. How could you, you beastly man. And here I was thinking you were all about cleaning up political discourse. Why it says so right on your own website. Are you saying that’s a lie Pete? Well? Are you? Look everyone, Pete’s own mission statement is a big fat lie.

    Just in case you don’t get it Pete, that’s what you do, all the time. Ridiculous, isn’t it. Now where’s my gift basket, you liar?

    How do you know that?

    Because you can read it on this thread Pete, as I said. Do you know anything at all or do you just have a thought and scribble it down without any processing going on?

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  115. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “But I’m not frustrated, as I said earlier, I’m happy with what I’ve been able to achieve.”

    No, Pete. I’m not talking about your achievements (you brought those up, and far be it from me to disabuse you even if a mention by Bryce Edwards counts as an achievement in your assessment).

    It is just that the language of your original post suggested an “Angry of Caversham/man-shakes-fist-at-cloud” neurosis.

    “Are you sure the joke’s not on you?”.

    Dunno. How could I possibly tell? Count the upticks?! ;) But then at least, like most round here, I can laugh at myself. How about you?

    Just asking…

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  116. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Jeez. Quick, give Reid a few upticks. It might make him feel better.

    And it might make Kimbo think they actually prove something.

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  117. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    Fair enough Ryan Sproull.

    Just out of interest, do you consider boycotts a form of volitional agreement, or coercion against someone’s will? To me, while someone may eventually accede to a boycott, it is actually “someone forced to (modify their action) against their will”.

    I’m not saying Pete was trying to initiate a boycott (he wasn’t). However, for me, freedom of expression, and letting the chips fall where they may is the SUPREME value in the blogsphere. I’m shocked that someone with his own blog would opine as he did. Especially when it is SATIRE – a deliberate and mutually understood (between writer and reader) exaggeration and distortion of truth.

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  118. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Jeez. Quick, give Reid a few upticks. It might make him feel better.

    Caught out and obfuscating Pete?

    Simple question: when you said –

    you don’t keep saying how great your insights are like Reid does.

    – was that a lie?

    Yes, or no? – If no, links please.

    Second simple question: is lying about someone fair, reasonable and/or sensible?

    Yes, or no?

    Watch Pete:
    a) not respond, or
    b) ask why he should respond

    Answer to b: because if I said that about you Pete, this is what you would do as part of your role as school crossing monitor.

    I’m picking a).

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  119. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    I’ve never seen someone jump a shark riding a high horse before but by golly I’ve seen it today.

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  120. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    Still not laughing, Pete? ;)

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  121. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    I laugh frequently Kimbo. Especially on the blogs.

    At Reid at the moment. Trying wee tricks. Making things up again. Pretending he’s never praised his own opinions (or at least that appears to be what he’s doing).

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  122. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “I laugh frequently Kimbo. Especially on the blogs.”

    Fair enough. It would seem few round here see precious little evidence of it in your posts. Just saying…

    Can you actually uptick yourself? More to the point, how did you know you could, Pete?

    A lawyer might suggest you think VERY carefully before answering, Pete. Or was it simply “an opinion”?

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  123. jackinabox (352 comments) says:

    A dirty deal if ever there was one.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/2kvtqvtr3eswv7l/PikeRiverletter-StuartGrieve.pdf?token_hash=AAFBiKVTgidzy4zOyeFahJ5-9UvX-O_mokd88_Tr_aRC1g

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  124. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Ticking trickery is well known Kimbo, and has been discussed here a number of times.

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  125. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Just out of interest, do you consider boycotts a form of volitional agreement, or coercion against someone’s will? To me, while someone may eventually accede to a boycott, it is actually “someone forced to (modify their action) against their will”.

    Good point. Boycotts are definitely a form of coercion. Similarly with strikes.

    Perhaps a good point of difference is the lack of a threat of violence being involved. When someone is banned from doing something by the State, the coercion rests ultimately on the threat of sanctioned violence – you are arrested or fined, and if you don’t pay the fine, you can be arrested.

    Boycotts, if prevented, would be an imposition on individual liberty, just as bans on speech would be, and just as any kind of ban on Pete George telling people they’ve crossed a line would be.

    Now, I know you’re not calling for Pete George to be banned from calling on people to withdraw blog posts – people are just calling on him to willingly stop doing it. Sound familiar?

    I’m not saying Pete was trying to initiate a boycott (he wasn’t). However, for me, freedom of expression, and letting the chips fall where they may is the SUPREME value in the blogsphere. I’m shocked that someone with his own blog would opine as he did. Especially when it is SATIRE – a deliberate and mutually understood (between writer and reader) exaggeration and distortion of truth.

    I’m a blogger, albeit a very lazy and inattentive one. There are limits to what I would post – limited in part by the consequences of breaking the law, in part by a desire to avoid unnecessarily upsetting people or causing them unhappiness, etc.

    I can imagine a situation in which I post something and someone points out to me that I’m being a dick, or that I haven’t thought of how a particular thing might trigger traumatic memories for someone, etc. I can imagine withdrawing that as a result of that feedback, and I would not feel like the supreme value of freedom of expression had taken a kick to the balls.

    In fact, I wasn’t thinking of specifics when I started writing this comment, but that very thing has happened to me. I wrote a satirical post about a girl who, upon reflection, has quite serious mental health issues. I changed my mind about it, in part through the feedback of people who called me out on being a dick. And I withdrew it and replaced it with an apology.

    Freedom of expression doesn’t mean you can’t have your own rules and doesn’t mean you can’t be called out on breaking them.

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  126. Manolo (12,642 comments) says:

    Don’t try too hard, Kimbo. You should know P.G. is never, I mean NEVER, wrong.
    Long live The Prince of Mathematics from the Deep South!

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  127. Manolo (12,642 comments) says:

    Multicultural Oz: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/women-filmed-attacking-elderly-man-on-gold-coast-bus-20140228-33nue.html

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  128. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “I wrote a satirical post about a girl who, upon reflection, has quite serious mental health issues. I changed my mind about it, in part through the feedback of people who called me out on being a dick. And I withdrew it and replaced it with an apology.

    Freedom of expression doesn’t mean you can’t have your own rules and doesn’t mean you can’t be called out on breaking them”.
    —————–
    Indeed. Freedom is not absolute.

    However, in THIS context we are talking about the comments of a leader of a political party. If he can’t manage what he says in such a way to defuse bad PR, what right does he have to play in running the country? I write that as someone without an axe to grind re ACT.

    Even more to the point, why shouldn’t Whyte be subject to cutting and barbed satire for the public’s amusement? It has been happening for centuries, and is an important function of political and social freedom.

    I don’t dispute what Yorke wrote was in slightly bad taste. Then again, I’m not sure Whyte’s original musings (admittedly in a non-political context) nor his denial (which was most certainly political) wasn’t either.

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  129. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    I laugh frequently Kimbo. Especially on the blogs. At Reid at the moment. Trying wee tricks. Making things up again. Pretending he’s never praised his own opinions (or at least that appears to be what he’s doing).

    I’d picked you for a brayer not a laugher Pete.

    But yet another lie, Pete? You just can’t help it can you. I really get to you, don’t I.

    Plenty of people have accused me of thinking I’m always right, possibly because the language I use simply lays it out, that’s my style. That’s because I don’t care if anyone likes it or not, if it’s true, it’s true. Do your own research.

    But you suggest I praise myself. Well isn’t it fair, reasonable and sensible to ask you for evidence?

    And if you don’t, then aren’t you going against your own mission statement? And what does that make you?

    All reasonable questions Pete, as I’m sure you’ll agree.

    Boycotts, if prevented, would be an imposition on individual liberty, just as bans on speech would be, and just as any kind of ban on Pete George telling people they’ve crossed a line would be.

    Now, I know you’re not calling for Pete George to be banned from calling on people to withdraw blog posts – people are just calling on him to willingly stop doing it.

    No we’re not Ryan. We’re just pleading with him not be such a sanctimonious plonker but he keeps doing it. Again and again and again. It’s just that Pete’s “lines” are as invisible and pointless as the blind man in the dark room looking for the black cat that isn’t there.

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  130. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    If he can’t manage what he says in such a way to defuse bad PR, what right does he have to play a part in running the country?

    But he doesn’t get a chance to manage it. It is way out of his control. If he tries to say anything it’s ignored or twisted and misrepresented.

    Something that started as an interview on a minor blog was stoked up on Twitter until the MSM picked it up and pushed it, amplifying the misrepresentations.

    And political activists are busy trying to promote and cement false impressions and ignorance because they think it may damage the chances of a new party leader getting any credibility. They are trying to create another Colin Craig to ridicule.

    There is the potential for an innocent interview with an inconsequential comment to snowball into the defeat and demise of a political party.

    I think this raises serious concerns about how our democracy sometimes operates and is allowed to operate by some of the players, especially those who never stand to be judged at the ballot box.

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  131. martinh (836 comments) says:

    Jackinabox
    That letter is horrible-
    It so blatantly is blatantly an ultimatium. We will pay money and you let us off or we will tell NZ how bad your dept is.
    Joyce has taken the money and protected his ass. What a disgrace.
    No wonder DPF isnt going to post on this, DPF cant find an angle on it to support his masters and THeDaVinciCode just gave up.

    This aint NZ way this is Putin territory

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  132. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    I think this raises serious concerns about how our democracy sometimes operates and is allowed to operate by some of the players, especially those who never stand to be judged at the ballot box.

    Yes but this isn’t what you pointed to, Pete. You pointed to a satirical joke post failing to recognise it was such. That’s what we’ve been talking about all day today. We haven’t been talking about the media bias, we’ve been talking about what a mental you are for taking a joke post seriously.

    We can all see what’s been happening in the media with Whyte’s comment. It’s not a surprise to us, it’s not the first time it’s happened and it won’t be the last. You don’t need to point it out to us as if it is something insightful you’ve noticed because newsflash, we’ve all noticed it and we always have. Besides, you do it yourself all the time with Craig, thus hypocritically violating your own sanctimonious mission statement, over and over and over again. And we can all see you doing that, too.

    But so what?

    Are you seriously saying you’ve been thinking you’ve been “attacked” (as you put it) because we’re disagreeing with media bias against Whyte? Are you seriously saying you’ve missed the whole point of what we’ve been saying? You are, aren’t you.

    Crikey.

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  133. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “But he doesn’t get a chance to manage it. It is way out of his control. If he tries to say anything it’s ignored or twisted and misrepresented.”

    Who says it is “way out of control” (besides yourself, that is, Pete)?

    This is politics as it has been practiced since…forever: -

    Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
    I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
    The evil that men do lives after them;
    The good is oft interred with their bones;
    So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
    Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
    If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
    And grievously hath Caesar answer’d it.
    Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest—
    For Brutus is an honourable man;
    So are they all, all honourable men—
    Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.
    He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
    But Brutus says he was ambitious;
    And Brutus is an honourable man.
    He hath brought many captives home to Rome
    Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
    Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
    When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
    Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
    Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
    And Brutus is an honourable man.
    You all did see that on the Lupercal
    I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
    Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
    Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
    And, sure, he is an honourable man.
    I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
    But here I am to speak what I do know.
    You all did love him once, not without cause:
    What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
    O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
    And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
    My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
    And I must pause till it come back to me.

    More to the point, why are you so distrusting of the electorate that you don’t seem to give them the credit for being able to figure it out themselves?! Democracy gives you the right to raise your voice and seek an audience. Is it perfect? No. But I’d rather have that than humourless self-appointed arbiters of taste and common sense telling us what we should or shouldn’t be able to read.

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  134. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    Wow nothing changes around here – the same group of playground bullies going apeshit and making personal attacks because they don’t have the smarts to discuss the issues.

    Amazing really – no matter what the issue – the same names saying the same things over and over that they’ve always said – I wonder if they keep a file that they cut and paste from?

    I wonder how they live in the real world – or do they surround themselves only with people that share the same opinions – or maybe they use the same bullying tactics at home as they do here – and so no one dares to argue against them?

    Either way – its easy to imagine why most of them only type with one hand.

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  135. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    There’s a lot that’s changed since the times of the Roman empire. Politics is practiced much differently now, with far more powerful media tools with which to deceive, and careers can be trashed very quickly.

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  136. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    the same group of playground bullies going apeshit and making personal attacks because they don’t have the smarts to discuss the issues.

    Judith we only make personal attacks when someone says something mental. Go figure.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/first-contagious-wifi-computer-virus-goes-airborne-spreads-like-the-common-cold/

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  137. dime (8,785 comments) says:

    This thread is hilarious.

    everyone but PG having “hissy fits”. i guess its all cause you’re “nonentity numpties” lmao

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  138. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    Human nature hasn’t changed, Pete.

    But you are right, some things are different from Ancient Rome. We don’t poison political opponents. At least not in New Zealand.

    Politicians of their very nature are control freaks, always wanting to frame the massage and the content. Whyte hasn’t managed that, by falling for a simple beginners trap. Not the problem or the fault of the media or the system.

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  139. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Groan. There we are all happily playing together and having fun and DB’s adoptive mother turns up and ruins the party.

    Good to see that the passage of time has allowed you to re-establish yourself on your pedestal Judith. Now, no more hissyness and name-calling – promise!

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  140. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Whyte hasn’t managed that, by falling for a simple beginners trap.

    Sort of. But if politicians have to be super cautious about everything they say in case of a gotcha on something largely irrelevant spirals out of control then you end up with someone like Cunliffe who just this week admitted he had to avoid making ‘mistakes’ and speaks virtually nothing but slogans.

    I think our democracy is the poorer for it. Politicians effectively held to ransom by a petty nit picky media (now including social media.) And voters having to try and see through the smog of political war.

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  141. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    …if politicians have to be super cautious about everything they say in case of a gotcha on something largely irrelevant spirals out of control…I think our democracy is the poorer for it.

    What about a shill who isn’t very good attempting to do that but not succeeding? Does that count or is it a non-event in the democracy protection stakes?

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  142. Manolo (12,642 comments) says:

    Go away, mommy Judith!

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  143. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    But if politicians have to be super cautious about everything they say in case of a gotcha on something largely irrelevant spirals out of control…

    You mean like Don Brash’s “leaked” emails?
    The audio recording of Bill English as a National party conference?
    The “cup of tea” tapes?
    It was a “welcome to politics Jamie” from the MSM, a shot across the bow. No one seems to be as outraged as you and as Reid has already pointed out, it’s obvious to everyone.

    And just to get in ahead of you, here’s a bunch of things this post is doing:
    1) Not asking you to stop posting
    2) Not calling you names
    3) Not having a go at you
    4) Not ‘calling you out’
    5) Not trying to subvert your message
    6) Not subverting democracy.
    7) Not taking satire seriously
    8) Probably pissing into the wind

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  144. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    It so blatantly is blatantly an ultimatium. We will pay money and you let us off or we will tell NZ how bad your dept is.

    Still not seeing it any different than I paraphrased above. Lawyers’ letters alway read like ultimatums, even the ones that say “here’s your share of the inheritence”.

    You expect them to pay out the money they have set aside for their legal defence, without an absolute certainty that the need for a legal defence is over? Really?

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  145. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    2) Not calling you names

    I called him a grey badger labrator. Does that count?

    Update: I just checked and I also called him gallopingly mental, a class monitor and a school crossing guard.

    There might be others but the Edit window clock’s running down so just take those as indicative.

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  146. stigie (646 comments) says:

    Are all the hissy fits over now chaps…?

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  147. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    You mean like Don Brash’s “leaked” emails?
    The audio recording of Bill English as a National party conference?
    The “cup of tea” tapes?
    It was a “welcome to politics Jamie” from the MSM, a shot across the bow. No one seems to be as outraged as you and as Reid has already pointed out, it’s obvious to everyone.

    Yep, like all of those things. The fact that it happens doesn’t make it good politics.

    If everyone just shuts up and accepts it because “they’ve always done it” then the shit fighting will go on. But that doesn’t make it a good healthy democratic system.

    There’s a lot of things that have changed over the centuries because some people have been prepared to point out that the emperors clothes are shabby. If that hadn’t happened we wouldn’t have democracy at all, we’d still have slavery, starving people beheaded for stealing bread and people drowned or burned because someone decided they didn’t like them or just wanted rid of them.

    If you challenge crap people often react by throwing more crap because that’s what they like to do. But if you challenge it enough then the message gets through to some of them, and others decide that it’s worth joining and standing up for something better. That can apply to a blog community or to a parliament. It’s worked in the past.

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  148. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    The ten worst political gaffes in American politics in somebodies opinion. There would be many more both Republican and Democrat.,

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/whoiswillo/the-ten-worst-gaffes-in-modern-american-politics-6o16

    The point here is that Jamie Whyte needs to learn from his mistake and move on which he hopefully appears to have done.The voter can be an unforgiving species and the idea that incest among consenting adults within the family is not a good look.

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  149. publicwatchdog (1,840 comments) says:

    FYI

    To Solicitor-General: Graham McCready’s response to Proposed Defendant’s submissions:

    February 28, 2014

    From: Graham McCready

    Date: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:58 AM

    Subject: Application to Prosecute Len Brown – Response to Proposed Defendant’s submissions

    Please find attached the final submissions of the proposed private prosecutor on this issue.
    I ask these are taken into account before the decision is made today.

    Graham Mc Cready

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/to-solicitor-general-graham-mccreadys-response-to-proposed-defendants-submissions/

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  150. martinh (836 comments) says:

    James
    Well seems like Joyce didnt want to stand up to the threat against him in it.
    So hes either a sissy or hiding something the uselessness of his dept.
    29 men dying needs it played out in public not behind the scenes by slimy lawyers and lying politicans each looking after their own

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  151. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    If you challenge crap people often react by throwing more crap because that’s what they like to do. But if you challenge it enough then the message gets through to some of them, and others decide that it’s worth joining and standing up for something better. That can apply to a blog community or to a parliament. It’s worked in the past.

    We have defamation and libel laws. We also have laws that explicitly allow satire. I’m not sure what revolution you’re trying to start but it’s not clear. If you just want politicians and political commentators to be nicer or a better breed of person then I’m not sure you will get any traction. If anybody was going to leap to the defense of an ACT party politician it would be most KiwiBlog commentors yet no one other than you seems to care. In fact they seem to put those laws I’ve already listed, deservedly earned over the last couple of thousand years, ahead of adding more laws. I think we’ve got it pretty good and I don’t think democracy is under attack because one blogger wrote a vaguely offensive satire post.

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  152. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    There’s a lot of things that have changed over the centuries because some people have been prepared to point out that the emperors clothes are shabby. If you challenge crap people often react by throwing more crap because that’s what they like to do.

    Well that’s not what what’s been happening here today on Planet Earth Pete.

    See, if in your first post that started the hilarity, you’d taken a real example of media bias against Whyte then I predict we’d have had the usual short discussion on it and long ago moved on to other things. Usual because we all know about it, we’ve complained about it numerous times, we all know it happens, nothing new, nothing insightful in pointing it out, at all, in any way whatsoever. Just another example, yawn, move on.

    But instead you took a joke post on it and as someone astutely observed, “jumped the shark on your high horse.” The hilarity continued as you, in your usual way, mistook the goings on for attacks on your “effectiveness” which – newsflash – is a hallucination inside your head and not an actual occurrence.

    Which hallucination continued right up to your 2.08. And will probably continue as you can’t seem to tell the difference between that and actual reality and you’ll continue to believe that those engaging in the hilarity really don’t have a problem with media bias, despite all the evidence of all of our posts in the past commenting on its existence on all sorts of occasions.

    In some ways Pete when you do this you remind me of what went on in Bush’s mind when he couldn’t bring himself to say ‘shame on me’ in the ‘fool me once’ incident. There’s some definite disconnects in the circuits and it doesn’t do your mission statement any good when you get all confused about what’s really going on and gallop away at the windmill called ‘my effectiveness.’

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  153. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    If anybody was going to leap to the defense of an ACT party politician it would be most KiwiBlog commentors yet no one other than you seems to care.
    One of the key things I said early on was this:

    Pete George (21,384 comments) says:
    February 28th, 2014 at 8:41 am

    I don’t agree, it’s nasty politics and totally misrepresents what Jamie Whyte was saying. I’m well aware of what satire is but it shouldn’t be used as an excuse for nasty attack politics.

    If Whale Oil said anything like that he’d be blasted all over the left of social media. Yorke should be given similar scrutiny.

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    As I’ve said you need to be cautious with the ticks but considering there are some here that will down tick me regardless and not the other way this suggests others might care.

    And to quote Jamie Whyte: ” I think it is important that political debate be conducted in a way that is intelligent and civil.”

    There’s quite a few MPs I’ve had communication with over time who have similar views on it.

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  154. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Comment withdrawn due to a self-imposed ban.

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  155. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    Since we’ve moved on to quoting ourselves I said this earlier

    I’m not sure what revolution you’re trying to start but it’s not clear.

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  156. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    After just a little less than seven hours and over 150 comments later are will still talking about a blog post on another blog?

    This was a good movie – most people can’t watch it though

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  157. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “I don’t agree, it’s nasty politics and totally misrepresents what Jamie Whyte was saying…”

    I have a rule of thumb re spotting propagandists, and it is their use of adverbs such as “undoubtedly”, “utterly”, and “absolutely”. The reason they use them is because they are anything but.

    As in the case of “totally misrepresents”.

    Whyte supports incest, which is a practice that many/most would consider sexually deviant, and unhealthy for the good of the participants and wider society. Just like paedophilia.

    Satire is a deliberate exaggeration of particular characteristics so that they take on a different but identifiable form. It doesn’t have to be nice. In fact of its very nature satire is often “nasty”.

    The fact we all get the joke that Yorke was making, whether we find it funny or not, confirms it is satire. That means WE KNOW it isn’t true.

    Here’s the thing, Pete: Do you think ANYONE actually THINKS Whyte supports decriminalising paedophilia?

    If not, it really just comes down to your arbitrary taste, doesn’t it?

    Which also applies to

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  158. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Evidence keeps piling up – those thinking we’re going to be safe are living in a fool’s paradise:

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/26/fasten-your-seatbelts-the-coming-global-monetary-reset/

    To those who hve been following the price action of gold in the past four years, gold manipulation is not only not surprising, but accepted and widely appreciated (because like the Chinese those who buy gold would rather do so at artificially low rather than artificially high fiat prices) and at this point, after every other product has been exposed to be blatantly and maliciously manipulated by the banking estate, it is taken for granted that the central banks’ primary fiat alternative, and biggest threat to the monetary status quo, has not avoided a comparable fate.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-25/here-fts-gold-price-manipulation-article-was-removed

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  159. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    Modern history is littered with financial doomsayers prophesying International financial and economic Armageddon – err reset.! , None of which have actually materialized .
    This item by Andrew McKillop alone causes me to query his sanity let alone economic soothsaying abilities ,

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/21/sandy-hook-game-changer-solid-new-evidence-of-a-cover-up-presented/

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  160. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Kimbo – well, I happen to think that accusing political opponents of paedophilia clearly crosses a line even in the robust world of politics – not just a case of “arbitrary taste”, it’s more nasty than anything I can think of would justify. Claiming satire is a poor excuse.

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  161. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    …to quote Jamie Whyte: ” I think it is important that political debate be conducted in a way that is intelligent…”

    Pete if you really do approve of that sentiment then why do you keep posting here?

    Claiming satire is a poor excuse.

    It would be if it was only an excuse but it wasn’t so that’s fine, unless you want to ban humour as well. You’re starting to sound like the Gweens.

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  162. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    stephieboy – not just history, there was one of those on The Daily Blog today.

    I will go further than Alexander in my predictions. I also think that it’s a strong bet that in the post‑2016 period (possibly in 2018) there will be another global financial crisis at least as damaging to the world economy as the last one.

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/02/28/neoliberal-monetary-policy-economics-or-theology/

    Unless neoliberalism is defeated and we all convert to socialism of course.

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  163. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    No Pete.

    No one is claiming it is satire. We ALL know it is satire.

    But as someone has accused you before, you are obfuscating.

    How about you disabuse me and others of that accusation, by answering the questions I put to you: -

    Do you think ANYONE actually THINKS Whyte supports decriminalising paedophilia?

    If not, it really just comes down to your arbitrary taste, doesn’t it?

    “Kimbo – well, I happen to think that accusing political opponents of paedophilia clearly crosses a line even in the robust world of politics”

    As opposed to incest?! ;)

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  164. stephieboy (1,162 comments) says:

    Why Debt Doomsday is a myth,

    http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/2005/10/why_debt_doomsd.html

    Convert to socialism. ? Yes but also a myopic reliance that the “free” markets can fix everything and provide the cure all for everything as Alan Greenspan discovered.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-teitelman/alan-greenspan-discovers_b_4172004.html

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  165. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Reid – you might find accusing people of paedophilia/incest is humorous but I don’t, and I think most people would think it is an indecent thing to do.

    You might be right, but I wouldn’t recommend accusing anyone in person of it and seeing if they laugh with you.

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  166. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “I think most people would think it is an indecent thing to do.”

    Kinda like…incest?

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  167. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    As opposed to incest?!

    In this case it amounts to the same thing.

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  168. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    None of which have actually materialized .

    So, all the people talking about CDO’s in the years leading up to the GFC were wrong stephie?

    Perhaps you just don’t know where to look. (Hint: It’s not Fox News.)

    I also think that it’s a strong bet that in the post‑2016 period (possibly in 2018) there will be another global financial crisis at least as damaging to the world economy as the last one.

    As I’ve said my prediction is first quarter this year, most others I read are saying 2nd or 3rd. Everyone is saying this year. The signs have been building for a long time. QE just brought it on sooner and it’s reduced the monetary options to zero.

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  169. SBY (120 comments) says:

    Thanks, Pete, for providing my afternoon entertainment.

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  170. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    Am I the only one who found it funny when someone blurted out in the movie ‘Naked Gun 2 1/2′, “I haven’t had so much sex since I was a scout master”?

    Note for Pete: Kimbo does not support or condone paedolphilia, but in certain contexts considers jokes about it to be funny. And yes, my judgement in the matter IS arbitrary.

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  171. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    As in the case of “totally misrepresents”.

    I disagree. Whyte’s expressed view that the state has no moral right to prevent consenting adult siblings from marrying is being represented as ‘sleep with your kids, as soon as they’re old enough’ which has far more insidious social connotations.

    In other words, Yorke’s representation of Whyte’s views was cynical and false, but not surprising given the divisive nature of partisan political satire.

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  172. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “In other words, Yorke’s representation of Whyte’s views was cynical and false, but not surprising given the divisive nature of partisan political satire”.

    All the more reason why Yorke’s political freedom should be upheld. The “falsehood” is clearly understood by all. Even Pete, who is avoiding the question…

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  173. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Ironic thing within the context of this discussion is the fact that a politician has been effectively coerced by public opinion to self-censor.

    Don’t we want our politicians to be more honest and straight forward?

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  174. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    All the more reason why Yorke’s political freedom should be upheld.

    As should the freedom of anyone to criticise him.

    There’s been an interesting development. Scott has shut down comments on his blog, but has moved his post to The Standard where he
    a) knows I won’t comment (brave, eh)
    b) knows if I did comment there I’d be mugged by a bigger bunch of mugs than here
    c) lprent seems to be trying to lure me there (he made a rare comment on Your NZ).

    But note that no one other than me commented at Imperator Fish before it was shut, and barely anyone has commented at The Standard. Silence sometimes says as much as a chorus.

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  175. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “Don’t we want our politicians to be more honest and straight forward?”

    You are engaging in special pleading.

    Who says they aren’t in the things that matter? And even if they aren’t, who’s saying that the Fourth Estate doesn’t do its (imperfect) job in ferreting out the liars eventually? People say they want honest politicians, but also WANT to believe the caricature of the crook in power. It’s how Winston Peters, one of the more deceitful politicians around has carved out a career. At the end of the day, whether they are honest or not, the electorate decides. Why seek to do their job by supposedly “lifting” the standards?

    Personally I value competence. Like competently disengaging from an attempt at “gotcha” politics. Which Whyte failed to do on this occasion. It tells me something about him.

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  176. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “Silence sometimes says as much as a chorus.”

    Indeed, Pete.

    Just like your continued failure to answer my questions: -

    Do you think ANYONE actually THINKS Whyte supports decriminalising paedophilia?

    If not, it really just comes down to your arbitrary taste, doesn’t it?

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  177. questions (132 comments) says:

    For Pike River, if the going rate to get away with killing someone is a call from John Key to cut a deal, and $150k to the victim’s family then just say so, I’ll be over to kick starter in no time.

    If not, then the moment they wrote “lets do this and say we didn’t” they were sunk.

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  178. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    You are engaging in special pleading.

    And you are engaging in rhetorical analysis. What’s the rhetorical term for someone who uses esoteric jargon in an attempt to persuade? ;)

    competently disengaging from an attempt at “gotcha” politics.

    Yes I agree, he lumbered in and lumbered out.

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  179. Ross12 (931 comments) says:

    A question for all the knowlegable computer people on here. I upgraded my computer in Dec. plus I got Win 8.1 installed.
    Now when I’m “going around” the Net I get “This page cannot be displayed” quite often.It often, seems to occur when I’m on a site and spend sometime reading a page and then when I go to move onto another page up comes the message. I’m using Explorer.
    Any suggestions on what is wrong/going on ?

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  180. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “Esoteric jargon”?!

    You bounder!

    Pistols at dawn! My rhetoric vs yours, you impudent fellow! :)

    Honestly – “politicians to be more honest and straight forward”? Nah – go for something achievable, like…raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens

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  181. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Do you think ANYONE actually THINKS Whyte supports decriminalising paedophilia?

    By the way it’s been reported I’d be surprised if a lot of people didn’t think he and ACT supports and approves of incest.

    NZH: Act Leader Jamie Whyte stands by incest comments
    “New Act Leader Jamie Whyte is standing by his comments that incestuous relationships between consenting adults should not be illegal…”

    3 News: ACT leader regrets incest comments
    “New ACT Party leader Jamie Whyte says he regrets making comments about whether the state should intervene in consensual incestuous relationships because he feels he’s let the party down.”

    3 News: ACT should focus on issues, not incest – Ross
    “ACT’s new leader Jamie Whyte has made headlines this week for his comments about incest – is he too honest for his own good?
    National MP Jami-Lee Ross says despite Dr Whyte’s “silly” views, ACT are still not as “scary” as the Greens.”

    Etc.

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  182. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    FFS, how many posts on the IF blog post today?

    Pete, for the good of your blood pressure…..let it go.

    You expressed a comment, people responded. It’s a political forum, so nothing surprising about that.

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  183. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    “By the way it’s been reported…”

    What, you mean like reporting…the facts?

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  184. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    bigger bunch of mugs than here

    For someone who takes the moral high ground all the time you sure do like to be a complete and utter hypocrite. You constantly swerve and evade any straight forward question but expect people who supply an anecdote to cite references to a higher standard than wikipedia. You decry that you’re defending your right to criticise and that you “stand your ground” yet you’re quite happy to belittle anyone who would dare criticise you. You expect a higher standard of everyone else but not yourself. You’re incessant and just plain frustrating. The amount of decency given to you is far beyond the pale and I now fully understand why you get so many downvotes (I know they don’t mean anything to you except for how you go on about people gaming them and how meaningless they are).

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  185. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    For those who haven’t seen it, this is a four part series on the rise of business and the decline of political power in the UK.

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  186. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    What, you mean like reporting…the facts?

    I haven’t seen the facts reported in most of the media coverage (the first NZH coverage included the original quote), most of it has been misleading and inaccurate as is obvious by the examples given above.

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  187. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    What of the above that you have quoted is “misleading” and “inaccurate”?

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  188. SBY (120 comments) says:

    Pete, your tedious and innumerable comments have ruined or derailed countless blog threads on countless sites, but I didn’t turn comments off on my blog because of you. Don’t flatter yourself that you’re that important. I may enjoy having sport at your expense now and then, but I don’t care enough about what you think to actively avoid you.

    I made the decision to turn comments off a couple of days ago. While your comments this morning may have accelerated that process, it wasn’t really about you. Most things aren’t about you.

    Your theory about The Standard is an interesting one, but I don’t have any say on which of my posts The Standard republishes. Someone from the site once asked if they could syndicate my posts, and I said yes. As a result sometimes my posts are republished there, sometimes they’re not. I don’t have any say on the matter.

    So please don’t involve me in your long-held and tedious grudge against The Standard.

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  189. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Comment withdrawn due to a self-imposed ban.

    Can you blame this guy!!! (see you’re back already, Scott :))

    Censorship, incest, lprent, ACT, the Standard and an intellectual property lawyer. An eclectic mix of controversy on today’s GD.

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  190. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    Has anyone else here come to the conclusion that Pete really wants to sandbag ACT by seemingly defending them and upholding the standards of political debate while actually keeping their recent cause for embarrassment in the public domain?

    With friends like this, who needs enemies?!

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  191. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    There’s been an interesting development. Scott has shut down comments on his blog, but has moved his post to The Standard where he
    a) knows I won’t comment (brave, eh)
    b) knows if I did comment there I’d be mugged by a bigger bunch of mugs than here
    c) lprent seems to be trying to lure me there (he made a rare comment on Your NZ).

    But note that no one other than me commented at Imperator Fish before it was shut, and barely anyone has commented at The Standard. Silence sometimes says as much as a chorus.

    Bloody hell PG, let it go. This is hurting you even more than it’s hurting us.

    knows I won’t comment (brave, eh)

    :roll:

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  192. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Pete, your tedious and innumerable comments have ruined or derailed countless blog threads on countless sites

    Careful SBY. In Pete’s mind such comments mean he’s being very effective and on the right track so he’s likely to try and find your back door and slip himself in so he can correct your thinking and clean up political intercourse.

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  193. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Kimbo

    You shouldn’t have laughed. Off to the gulag with you.

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  194. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Bloody hell PG, let it go. This is hurting you even more than it’s hurting us.

    These extreme meta posts really raise the question as to who he’s talking to? Himself?

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  195. SBY (120 comments) says:

    Careful SBY. In Pete’s mind such comments mean he’s being very effective and on the right track so he’s likely to try and find your back door and slip himself in so he can correct your thinking and clean up political intercourse.

    The Beige Badger strikes again?

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  196. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce uneasiness, apprehension, fear, or worry; by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing the associated anxiety; or by a combination of such obsessions and compulsions

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  197. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    nickb

    Not really nick, after all we are responsible for replying. That is of course not to say that PG doesn’t talk to himself – for example when he’s typing – which distraction is no doubt reflected in his posts.

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  198. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    The Beige Badger strikes again?

    Careful IF. There wasn’t a satire tag on that one.

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  199. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Unlike most here I (and a few like Kimbo and Ryan) actually had a go at debating the original issue and issues raised. It hasn’t been me who has gone personal, diverted, attacked, tried to discredit etc etc. I’ve ignored a lot of it, missed some (I only skim what looks like nonsense) and picked up on some things to discuss with the few that are willing.

    I’ve heard it before, it’s all my fault, it’s only me who “ruined or derailed countless blog threads”. Yeah. Nah.

    It’s common for recidivist wreckers to try and blame someone else.

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  200. Kimbo (398 comments) says:

    Just to be clear, when you call Pete a badger, is that satire, or do you REALLY think it is true?

    After all, to quote Pete, “By the way it’s been reported I’d be surprised if a lot of people didn’t think (it was so)”.

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  201. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    Dear Mr Yorke. Thank you for your satire. You’ve made me laugh a lot today.

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  202. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    I’ve had a go at debating the original issue and issues raised.

    Yes, quite right. But the problem is that it wasn’t a very good go so you were told you’re wrong and why. But, as usual, you trot out the obfuscation and red herrings, toss in a pinch of complete and utter bullshit and keep digging like a demented terrier digging for a particularly whiffy bone. Its that bit right there that’s fun for anyone in the mood to play.

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  203. mandk (711 comments) says:

    Ross12,
    I have 8.1 and have no problems, but I use Chrome rather than Explorer.
    What really annoys me about 8.1, though, is the floating sidebars. How can I get rid of them?

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  204. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Pete,

    I don’t want to alarm you, but I’d be careful if I were you given the events of the last few weeks.

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  205. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    Bloody hell….. The beige badger has posted no fewer than 28 times since ~10.30am. On this thread alone! :roll:

    I wonder if he managed to finish the dusting…

    EDIT: Make that 29 times….

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  206. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Scott Yorke:

    I didn’t turn comments off on my blog because of you. Don’t flatter yourself that you’re that important. I may enjoy having sport at your expense now and then, but I don’t care enough about what you think to actively avoid you.

    I made the decision to turn comments off a couple of days ago. While your comments this morning may have accelerated that process, it wasn’t really about you. Most things aren’t about you.

    That’s quite funny Scott – because you deliberately made it look like it was about me in your “No Comment” announcement, mentioning me twice (and no one else) in a short post.

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  207. dime (8,785 comments) says:

    so yesterday someone said:

    “i think most people would find incest to be gross” or words to that effect.

    PG said “got any proof of that?” (like a moron. yeah hang on pete ill provide links to the 300 studies about whether people think its ok to fuck their sister.)

    today we get from Pete:

    “you might find accusing people of paedophilia/incest is humorous but I don’t, and I think most people would think it is an indecent thing to do.”

    so pete – got any proof of that? can you live up to your own standard? im assuming the incest you dont like is parent/kid..

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  208. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    That’s quite funny Scott – because you made it about me in your “No Comment” announcement, mentioning me twice (and no one else) in a short post.

    Maybe he just doesn’t like Badgers, Pete. They’re quite a nuisance, you know. And smelly.

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  209. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    That’s quite funny Scott

    Citation needed

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  210. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Will the passing of the Compulsory Incest Bill be the finest hour of the good people of Hamilton?

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  211. igm (880 comments) says:

    For goodness sakes people, this disgusting incest argument was part of Phil Goff’s last election platform, along with lowering the age of consent. Don’t berate a foolish new player in politics, look at the evil and foul agenda of an old Lange boy, he is the one who has the foul and evil wish to make changes . . . and he has not changed.

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  212. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    The Beige Badger has the claws of a tiger, the jaws of a crocodile and the energy and never-give-upedness of a rabid Jack Russell terrier on meth. So why is he making me feel so tired?

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  213. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Jamie Whyte has recommended that the Nanny State get out of the relationships of consenting adults.

    (Extremely rare consenting adults who freak me right the fuck out, but consenting adults nonetheless.)

    We all hate the Nanny State, right? Remember hating the Nanny State?

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  214. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode: Did you know a male badger is called a boar?

    Or is that reference, a typo? :P

    http://www.onekind.org/be_inspired/animals_a_z/badger/

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  215. Ross12 (931 comments) says:

    mandk

    Thanks. I’ve been starting to think it was something to do with Explorer. Sorry I can’t help on the side bar issue.

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  216. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Jamie Whyte has recommended that the Nanny State get out of the relationships of consenting adults.

    C’mon Ryan, that’s old news, we’re talking badgers now, keep up.

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  217. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    LAC

    That is the common or garden variety of badger of the European badger family Meles. The term is the same for the Meles genus generally, except for the Meles Beigus which is pronounced the same but spelt differently as you have deduced.

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  218. nasska (9,550 comments) says:

    Leaving the moral issue aside, the worst outcome is progeny from siblings who share 100% of their dna. In the cases of father/daughter or mother/son any offspring will have 25% of unrelated genes.

    Many desirable improvements in livestock are the result of utilising a particular gene which frequently involves line breeding.

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  219. igm (880 comments) says:

    This Lecher Len is not only a immoral leech, he is a racial and greasing disaster . . . unitary plan, donating to Maori via ratepayers, as well as taxpayers . . . can he not be dumped right now?

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  220. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Many desirable improvements in livestock are the result of utilising a particular gene which frequently involves line breeding.

    Do you mean like Christchurch nasska, and possibly (now) Dunedin too. Although you said desirable improvements

    What happens to the progeny with undesirable traits, which appears to be what afflicting Christchurch and Dunedin?

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  221. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Many desirable improvements in livestock are the result of utilising a particular gene which frequently involves line breeding.

    So all the herd are first cousins? Does anyone play the banjo?

    Anyway, I suggest you alert Pete to this outrage, he’s bound to go after it like a badger with a banjo in his bonnet.

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  222. Elaycee (4,089 comments) says:

    @thedavincimode: Thanks for that – who’da thought?

    SWMBO tells me you can get ‘personalised’ apparel online, too….

    http://whatshaute.com/index.php/2012/10/animal-attraction-15-chic-animal-sweaters-youll-want-to-cuddle-up-in-this-fall/dorothy-perkins-beige-badger-jumper/

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  223. nasska (9,550 comments) says:

    …”What happens to the progeny with undesirable traits, which appears to be what afflicting Christchurch and Dunedin?”…..

    I had forgotten that we farmers have the luxury of feeding our stuff ups to the dogs Davinci. Dunedin does get some fresh blood occasionally through Otago University but Christchurch is a lost cause. :)

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  224. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    nasska

    Have a word with matron will you please. She’s been trying to ruin the fun. She also doesn’t understand the old adage about people in glass houses so you might explain it to her.

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  225. mandk (711 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9776512/High-beam-lights-may-have-saved-man

    Next thing, we will have a coroner recommending that people are more cautious about driving on full beam after someone dies because they are dazzled by an on-coming car.

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  226. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    (Extremely rare consenting adults who freak me right the fuck out, but consenting adults nonetheless.)

    Heh, sounds like something Fletch would say in referring to gays. Interesting to see ChardonnayGuy on yesterdays thread trying to refute any moral equivalence between the relationships of gays and incestuous siblings.

    Heck, if I were Scarlett Johannsonn’s brother I’d be willing to give incest a go…

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  227. MT_Tinman (2,793 comments) says:

    Elaycee (3,855 comments) says:
    February 28th, 2014 at 5:11 pm
    Did you know a male badger is called a boar?

    Boar or bore?

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  228. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    C’mon Ryan, that’s old news, we’re talking badgers now, keep up.

    I didn’t get the memo, Reid! It’s still work hours over here in Aus!

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  229. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Heh, sounds like something Fletch would say in referring to gays. Interesting to see ChardonnayGuy on yesterdays thread trying to refute any moral equivalence between the relationships of gays and incestuous siblings.

    Oh, plenty of things plenty of people do freak me right the fuck out – straight, gay, incestuous or otherwise.

    Their business, and I have other things to think about.

    Heck, if I were Scarlett Johannsonn’s brother I’d be willing to give incest a go…

    And yet, if you were, you probably wouldn’t.

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  230. Steve (North Shore) (4,327 comments) says:

    Poor Pete has had a shocking day – darstardly old chap.
    He is suffering from PMS.
    Putting up with Mens Shit.
    See, this is Karma. You link whore and become a psuedo expert, and it comes back to bite your arse – sorry about that chief

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  231. SBY (120 comments) says:

    That’s quite funny Scott – because you deliberately made it look like it was about me in your “No Comment” announcement, mentioning me twice (and no one else) in a short post.

    Yes, like I said in my previous comment, your comments on my site accelerated the process. And I knew I would get a bite by mentioning you in my post. Mission accomplished.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to meet my friends at The Standard for our weekly “get Pete George” session. It’s always about you.

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  232. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Yes, like I said in my previous comment, your comments on my site accelerated the process. And I knew I would get a bite by mentioning you in my post. Mission accomplished.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to meet my friends at The Standard for our weekly “get Pete George” session. It’s always about you.

    I still remember the comment that caused me to start pre-moderating comments six years ago.

    And when I remember it, I still think: “Hey, this is my house. Fuck you guys.”

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  233. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Yes Scott, and who bit here? More mission accomplished than you seem to realise.

    You’ve always seemed very sensitive to criticism, which is in contrast to your inclination to dish it out.

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  234. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

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  235. RichardX (292 comments) says:

    Reid (14,995 comments) says:
    February 28th, 2014 at 1:09 pm
    It’s just that Pete’s “lines” are as invisible and pointless as the blind man in the dark room looking for the black cat that isn’t there.

    Interesting use of the black cat analogy
    I’ve seen it used in the context that adherents of religion believe they have found the cat

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  236. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    PG, at 6.28pm

    Mission accomplished?!!

    Good heavens, what on earth was your mission?

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  237. SBY (120 comments) says:

    Yes Scott, and who bit here?

    I think your sterling work on this thread answers that question.

    You’ve always seemed very sensitive to criticism, which is in contrast to your inclination to dish it out.

    You’re funny. Do you ever go back later and read your comments?

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  238. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    What was your mission today tdm? You like niggling but apart from that you don’t seem to contribute much of substance.

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  239. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Sometimes Scott. You must be feeling good getting more support for your wee Act attack here than at The Standard. You could at least thank me for that. Reid, tdm etc they could be good allies for future missions.

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  240. wikiriwhis business (3,302 comments) says:

    In other matters

    The Norfolk lights! Aurora Borealis makes rare visit to East Anglia as skies across Britain turn red and green in spectacular display

    Stargazers in Norfolk, Essex and South Wales were treated to a stunning display of the Aurora Borealis. Pictures show a red and green sky littered with stars caused by the collision of electronically charged particles with atoms in the high altitude atmosphere. Such light displays in the sky often occur in the Arctic and Antarctic regions and are caused by the collision of particles from the sun entering the earth’s atmosphere.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

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  241. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Good heavens, what on earth was your mission?

    You’re asking this of someone who thinks – yes, he really does – that the more mockery he receives, the closer he’s hitting to the target.

    Observation: I’m being mocked.

    Conclusion: I’ve made a hit and I must keep going for it must be important otherwise they wouldn’t be attacking me. The possibility I’m wrong isn’t possible.

    It’s a bit like this, dvm.

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  242. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    I thought y’all might like this Helen Guevara t shirt…??

    http://www.batcountryclothing.com/mens/mens-helen-che-guevara.html

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  243. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Seriously Pete, what was it that you think achieved?

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  244. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    Reid

    That “target”. It wouldn’t be his own foot would it?

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  245. thedavincimode (6,133 comments) says:

    ReidT

    That badger is suffering from balding. You don’t think …. no, surely not!

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  246. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    And yet, if you were, you probably wouldn’t.

    I was being facetious – the point I was making was more to do with cultural taboo. One thing worth considering though – if incest can be defined as having sex with a close relative then surely masturbation is as incestuous as one can get.

    Don’t let that freak you out though :)

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  247. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    That “target”. It wouldn’t be his own foot would it?

    I have no idea dvm and after today’s effort, I’m thinking it’s a waste of time even wondering.

    It’s a shame because he really does make good points. It’s just when he doesn’t make one of those, he thinks he has, despite all evidence to the contrary.

    And he thinks I’m arrogant.

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  248. RRM (8,997 comments) says:

    Pete George – mate, really, why don’t you just let it go?

    The relative rights and wrongs of commenting (and being allowed to comment) on other people’s chat rooms is far too virtual a matter to get this hot under the collar about. Do you WANT to end up like Redbaiter? Go and have a whisky, with someone you like.

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  249. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Helen Guevara t shirt

    Lol – I must have one! Hardly a proletariat price but.

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  250. nasska (9,550 comments) says:

    I wonder if Claire, Wussell & Winston had the same problem. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2pd2uzd0isjwslz/Dotcom.png

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  251. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    RRM – I don’t do hot under the collar, that’s probably what annoys people the most, I don’t rise to their bait. Ironically I’m enjoying a nice Red at the moment with someone I like, they get a few laughs too.

    Seriously tdm, I’ve achieved a number of things today but I’m not going to tell you what, you’re hardly after a decent discussion about it, are you. That’s not what you’re about.

    I’ll tell you one though, I think this is a first, I’ve been linked to (albeit from a copy/paste) from the Global Peace and Justice blog.

    Them, Scott and lprent all in one day. They might have to get to know each other better, Labour seem to be heading in that direction.

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  252. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Seriously tdm, I’ve achieved a number of things today but I’m not going to tell you what,

    This is what I achieved today Pete. Yet another convert. Your mate. Et tu Brutus?

    I wonder if Claire, Wussell & Winston had the same problem.

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  253. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Observation: I’m being mocked.

    Conclusion: I’ve made a hit and I must keep going for it must be important otherwise they wouldn’t be attacking me. The possibility I’m wrong isn’t possible.

    It’s a bit like this, dvm.

    Who is the fuckwit American munter screwing with a creature for fun in this scenario?

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  254. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Who is the fuckwit American munter screwing with a creature for fun in this scenario?

    [Video description] Watch Neal Hunt and the Soar No More Crew as they catch a wild badger with gloved hands, a sheet, and a dog kennel. Most amazing badger films caught on tape! The badger was digging holes in a farmers field, which is dangerous to the farmer, and his equipment. The badger was relocated to avoid potential harm to the farmer, and the animal.

    and

    [One of the comments] It’s so ironic that half of the highest rated comments are along the lines of, “So this is what rednecks do for fun. What idiots,” when those people are the real idiots for not reading the video description and knowing that they were relocating it because it was in someone’s farm. It’s hilarious how people online can be so ignorant that they wind up looking dumber than rednecks. 

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  255. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Yeah, I got halfway through before stopping watching. Contrary to popular belief and despite my regular commentary on Kiwiblog, there is actually a limit to how much time I’ll waste on useless nonsense. Looked to me like he was fucking with the poor thing for fun. Apologies if that got radically reversed in the second four minutes of the video.

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  256. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    there is actually a limit to how much time I’ll waste on useless nonsense

    I suggest therefore you try to avoid future Kiwiblog threads with more than say, three Pete George comments. The useless nonsense factor tends to accelerate algorithmically when that’s exceeded, and I’m being kind to Pete in suggesting that threshold.

    P.S. If you ever see Pete at the very top of the thread, run for your life, that’s a DEFCON 1 Alert.

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  257. nasska (9,550 comments) says:

    The young Catholic lad went shopping. He bought some tissues & a jar of lube then started thinking to himself……
    If, according to Catholics, masturbation is murder does buying tissues make it pre-meditated?

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  258. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    You could always try riveting everyone with one of your self sermons or conspiracy repeats Reid. You should be able to hold court with one of those.

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  259. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    Pete…let it go.

    “If you’ve dug a hole so deep you end up in China, stop digging”.

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  260. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Not really nickb, I disagree with a few people here, most of them make a career disagreeing with me regardless, I and partly disagree with a couple more. So what? Having you, tdm and Reid niggling is hardly a resounding victory for anything, is it.

    I’ve made my point. Winston’s apparently gone to China.

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  261. Steve (North Shore) (4,327 comments) says:

    Soon Pete will fail to make todays point and digress, as if he has not done many times today.
    Now what was the original point you made Pete? Way off target and on a tangent now.
    But but but General Debate opens tomorrow at 8am and Pete George will be the first to link whore, hold out Pete, see if you can.
    Before 10am there will be UF bullshit

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  262. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    Don’t be pathetic.

    …a few nonentity numpties

    It’s common for recidivist wreckers to try and blame someone else.

    Jeez. Quick, give Reid a few upticks. It might make him feel better.

    …a bigger bunch of mugs than here

    You must be feeling good getting more support for your wee Act attack here than at The Standard

    You could always try riveting everyone with one of your self sermons or conspiracy repeats Reid. You should be able to hold court with one of those.

    Versus

    As elsewhere online there’s quite a bit of abuse and attempts at bullying in Kiwiblog. Most people who find it unacceptable ignore it or leave, so the bullies think they can get away with it. If enough people speak up against crap the message will get through.

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  263. Lucia Maria (1,994 comments) says:

    Masturbation is murder of your soul, Nasska. Nothing else.

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  264. nasska (9,550 comments) says:

    Mine’s long gone Lucia. :)

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  265. Steve (North Shore) (4,327 comments) says:

    Lucy, leave Nasska alone, he is busy. Got animals to deal with

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  266. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Catch up Steve, you’re way out of date, I’m not in UF, I don’t do UF, I haven’t for quite a while. But don’t let that stop you making things up.

    Is that the worst you can come up with labrator? Who’s next?

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  267. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    lol!!

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  268. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    most of them make a career disagreeing with me regardless

    Personally Pete I only disagree with you when you’re wrong. The fact is, you’re wrong quite often. That’s why days like today happen.

    They don’t have to happen like this Pete, but the person who creates them isn’t me, it’s you.

    Think about it.

    Not that I expect you to, but that’s what you should do.

    Don’t take my word for it. Review everything everyone has said – it’s all there, on the record. You’ll find out for yourself whose wrong and whose right.

    But it’s not really about what all of us said to you Pete. It’s about what you said to us, that made it happen.

    Masturbation is murder of your soul

    I wish that was on the back of buses Lucia. Seriously, online porn is killing our young people and neither they or their parents even know it.

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  269. nasska (9,550 comments) says:

    ….”Got animals to deal with”….

    Takes it out of a man Steve. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i75fiqe8u8uuolu/comic14.jpg

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  270. Steve (North Shore) (4,327 comments) says:

    http://elections2014.co.nz/2011/candidates/profile/pete-george
    I must be wrong about UF …..

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  271. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Ah, that’s 2011 Steve. As I said, catch up.

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  272. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Don’t take my word for it. Review everything everyone has said – it’s all there, on the record. You’ll find out for yourself whose wrong and whose right.

    I know you like to deal with black and white but this is about opinion. I think one thing, you think another. That doesn’t make you right no matter how often you claim it does. Opinion. Do you understand what that is?

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  273. Nostradamus (2,772 comments) says:

    I’ve done a quick analysis of Pete George’s “contributions” (in the broadest sense of the word) to this thread:

    8:08am
    8:41am
    10:42am
    10:56am
    10:59am
    11:14am
    11:18am
    11:29am
    11:38am
    11:50am
    11:53am
    11:56am
    12:01pm
    12:06pm
    12:13pm
    12:21pm
    12:44pm
    12:51pm
    1:13pm
    1:35pm
    1:48pm
    2:08pm
    2:47pm
    3:17pm
    3:22pm
    3:27pm
    3:28pm
    3:43pm
    4:09pm
    4:19pm
    4:40pm
    4:59pm
    6:28pm
    6:44pm
    6:47pm
    7:15pm (when he claimed to be “enjoying a nice Red at the moment with someone I like”)
    8:30pm (whereabouts of drinking companion unknown)
    8:38pm
    8:49pm

    So that’s 39 comments out of a total of 268 comments – or 14.5%.

    Edit: Two further comments at 9:01pm and 9:06pm. So that’s now 41 comments out of a total of 273 comments – or 15%.

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  274. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    So Nosti joins the tag team. Are you going to list all the niggles against versus that? Include yours if you do.

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  275. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    So that’s 39 comments out of a total of 268 comments – or 14.5%.

    I wonder what would happen if I did a value stream map of them. There’d be lots of frowns in the boardroom, that’s for real. ‘Not much value added there’ they’d grumpily harrumph.

    I know you like to deal with black and white but this is about opinion. I think one thing, you think another. That doesn’t make you right no matter how often you claim it does. Opinion. Do you understand what that is?

    Yes I do Pete. So tell us, what does your review of the black and white comments as recorded forever in this thread which cannot be denied, tell you about people’s opinions of you?

    So Nosti joins the tag team.

    Yes that’s right Pete, it’s all about you, because all day you’ve made such tremendous home runs that the entire Kiwiblog comment squad made a secret pact to get together and disrupt you from start to finish, lest you make another tremendous insight that we just don’t like at all, because we’re all whatever it is that you think we are.

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  276. Nostradamus (2,772 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    This is my first comment on this thread – and, indeed, on any blog all day. You’ve now made 42 comments on this thread. Goodness only knows how many comments you’ve made on other Kiwiblog threads and other blogs today. Do you have a life outside the blogosphere? Is there more to your life than being a self-appointed blog standards monitor?

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  277. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    I don’t care about your opinion Reid. Especially when you try and claim credit for “people’s opinions”. I disagree with you and you don’t seem to be able to accept something simple like that. Surely you don’t need all those other people to back you up.

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  278. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    Nosti – perhaps you can choose when and how often you comment and so can I. I’m an adult, I presume you are too. You’ve tried this counting comments game before, I’m not sure why, but I know for sure you’re not my mother, and I’m old enough to do as I please anyway.

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  279. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    Especially when you try and claim credit for “people’s opinions”.

    Que?

    All I said Pete, was read the comments above. There they are, in black and white, and they show what others think of you.

    How did you jump the shark from me saying that, to what you just hallucinated?

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  280. Nostradamus (2,772 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    You’ve tried this counting comments game before, I’m not sure why, but I know for sure you’re not my mother, and I’m old enough to do as I please anyway.

    Now you’re sounding like Philu. You want to be a dick just because, well, you can? Fine – but don’t whine when others point out that you’re behaving like a dick. Let me put this to you then. What do you make of the fact that you account for approximately 15% of all comments on today’s General Debate thread? And, overall, how would you assess the value of your contributions?

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  281. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    the entire Kiwiblog comment squad made a secret pact to get together

    You couldn’t resist a conspiracy theory, could you Reid. Next thing you’ll be trying to claim there’s proof some sort of god exists somewhere other than in people’s minds.

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  282. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    A fine satire for those who understand satire and obsession which will go over the heads of those who cannot grasp either

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  283. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    What do you make of the fact that…

    You can make what you like of it if you think it’s important to you. I don’t care about it, it seems a pointless point. Sorry to disappoint you, it seems like a waste of time for me, but it was your choice to do it.

    What do you make of the fact that you went to all that trouble to collate and count all that information and it doesn’t mean anything of any importance?

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  284. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    You couldn’t resist a conspiracy theory, could you Reid.

    I don’t know Pete, depends what it is. Why?

    which will go over the heads of those who cannot grasp either anything

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  285. UglyTruth (3,142 comments) says:

    You couldn’t resist a conspiracy theory, could you Reid. Next thing you’ll be trying to claim there’s proof some sort of god exists somewhere other than in people’s minds.

    Proof like a language that didn’t evolve from anything, you mean?

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  286. Nostradamus (2,772 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    What do you make of the fact that you went to all that trouble to collate and count all that information and it doesn’t mean anything of any importance?

    Newsflash Pete: it didn’t take me very long (not hard when you know how to do it efficiently). I think the Kiwiblog community (you excepted) will be eternally grateful for my analysis but, hey, I’m happy to leave that for others to judge. One thing is certain: you’ll be back again tomorrow commenting from dawn until dusk, and no doubt making lots of new friends, as well as inching closer to 30,000 comments.

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  287. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    I know what you’re trying to do Nosti and it’s a bit of a waste of time, so I’m not sure how eternally grateful anyone will be to see a bunch of irrelevant numbers.

    Shortly I’ll probably have less time to play games with you but I’ll choose when that is and it will have nothing to do with your first comment of the day. Or any others.

    I see you’ve edited and added another attempt, oh, will that stop me pleasing myself here? You can come back tomorrow and count and copy and paste again if you like. After everyone has been finished being eternally grateful for tonight’s wee effort you might be able to do something else useful for everyone.

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  288. dime (8,785 comments) says:

    DPF – do you give out demerits for when someone needs a rest? for their own mental state?

    todays effort from pg has been interesting.. i think hes displayed defence mechanisms built up over decades. i suspect 10+ people telling him to quit while hes ahead, let it go, stop being a dick is nothing new.

    youre a strange cat PG.

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  289. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    dime – tomorrow I’m going to have another go at Cunliffe for making false claims about the public losing rights about exploration consents. I saw you having a dig today, I also followed up on Facebook.

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  290. UglyTruth (3,142 comments) says:

    Speaking of conspircay theories, PG, did you hear the one about the shipping company that fast tracked construction of new office space in order to be able to vacate the twin towers about a week before September 11?

    http://www.israeli-connections-to-911.com/zim_shipping3.htm

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  291. Reid (15,594 comments) says:

    tomorrow I’m going to have another go at Cunliffe for making false claims about the public losing rights about exploration consents

    Er….

    Goody?

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  292. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “…to quote Jamie Whyte: ” I think it is important that political debate be conducted in a way that is intelligent…”

    Not when gays are involved Jamie!

    100% of people have a mum and a dad – as they’re born that way – and the gays in parliment think that should somehow be up for discussion?

    If children are expected to change then you’d think adult gays could! :cool:

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  293. Manolo (12,642 comments) says:

    @P.G. (shouting loudly): Get a bloody life!

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  294. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    Has someone not bought that Man an inflatable Sheep Doll yet?

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  295. Manolo (12,642 comments) says:

    Someone tried that, but the Grey Badger was afraid it could be considered rape, if the sheep doll didn’t consent.

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  296. dime (8,785 comments) says:

    according to the blues v crusaders game report on stuff, richie mccaw “lasted an hour before being subbed”.

    reality:

    “40th Min: Taylor gets the second half underway, with a low, hanging kick which Steven Luatua gathers, He sets up a ruck 10 metres outside his 22. The big news after the break is that Richie McCaw has been replaced by Matt Todd for the Crusaders.”

    richie looks old and slow. he looks like hes in the sort of condition where you make a noise getting out of a chair. i hope he doesnt go too long. personally i cant see him making the RWC. that means he should bugga off now. like tana had the good grace to do – two years out.

    then again, he may just be timing his run. hope so.

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  297. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    if the sheep doll marries an Alpaca first is that considered consent

    Did you realise that Len Brown could

    Theoretically speaking have an Affair with John Key and Marry

    there is a scenario to consider? (hypothetically)

    But with out access to the Tea Tapes how can we rule out that
    Banks and Key were or were not having an Affair

    http://youtu.be/bh_DUHCjzC0

    Does it really matter? but how can we know? if they are not both gay

    and if they were does it or would it matter?

    Looking at this photo they look gay in the happy sense

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6019903/Tea-tape-to-remain-private-for-now

    Will we ever know?

    They are both beautiful and honest forthright politicians in their own right
    to be whatever they like

    (hypothetically)

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  298. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    Is that the worst you can come up with labrator? Who’s next?

    Funny how you think everything is an attack. I was just pointing out your rank hypocrisy from your position the day before. You are a bully.

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  299. Pete George (21,830 comments) says:

    I’m a fence sitting, beige, impotent…bully? Yeah, right.

    Compared to what gets thrown at me?

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  300. labrator (1,691 comments) says:

    There are none so blind as he who will not see.

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