General Debate 2 April 2014

April 2nd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. minus (174 comments) says:

    Mr Dotcom said in an interview with TVNZ’s Q and A programme on the weekend that one of the politicians he really admires is Mr Shearer.

    The JFG continues to play with politicians and speculation and probably knows this game from reading THE ART OF WAR – SUN TZU – “All warfare is based on deception.”

    So Kim Dotcom claims he has a current sitting New Zealand Parliamentary Electorate Member “in-his-pocket”, already committed to joining the Internet Party and maybe about to betray her or his Party and current voters.
    Has Dotcom, or the alleged in-his-pocket sitting Member, committed any offence yet?

    Crimes Act 103 – Corruption and bribery of member of Parliament
    1)
    
Every member of Parliament is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who corruptly accepts or obtains, or agrees or offers to accept or attempts to obtain, any bribe for himself or herself or any other person in respect of any act done or omitted, or to be done or omitted, by him or her in his or her capacity as a member of Parliament

    2)
    
Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who corruptly gives or offers or agrees to give any bribe to any person with intent to influence any member of Parliament in respect of any act or omission by him or her in his or her capacity as a member of Parliament.

    It would be a bugger if instead of being extradited, we had to spend taxpayer money to keep Kim in one of our prisons.

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  2. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    Political polls have been and still are covered poorly by news organisations. This seems to be based on ignorance and headline mongering.

    There are some promising changes that at least give relevant information if you did for it. Roy Morgan have been good and now Colmar Brunton supply excellent information. If particular note:

    The data does not take into account the effects of non-voting and therefore cannot be used to predict the outcome of an election. Undecided voters, non-voters and those who refused to answer are excluded from the data on party support.

    The results are therefore only indicative of trends in party support, and it would be misleading to report otherwise.

    All political journalists should have to learn this and other polling basics. Polling 101 and kudos for Colmar Brunton.

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  3. duggledog (1,498 comments) says:

    ‘Property owners hold key to crime cuts’

    NZ Herald story about home burglary uses a picture of a caucasian with short back & sides for the picture of a guy breaking into a window with a crow bar

    Ha ha ha – what, were you guys too scared to use a photo of a brown guy? You were, weren’t you! That’s partly why nobody bothers buying the Herald any more, no balls, no facts, poor grammar, too much advertising and too much Opinion instead of journalism

    The guy in the photo looks a bit like Colin Craig incidentally

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  4. RRM (9,771 comments) says:

    The older I get, the less I realise I know.

    Ghetto trash woman 3 or 4 seats along on the train is not so encumbered, she apparently knows almost everything!

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  5. iMP (2,352 comments) says:

    Poll of Polls…

    ACT 0.00%
    Dotcom 0.4%
    Conservatives 2.9%

    I’d be encouraging the latter to stand in Epsom.

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  6. hj (6,825 comments) says:

    Mismatch (Evolutionary psychology)

    Psychologist Mark van Vugt recently argued that modern organizational leadership is a mismatch.[45]. His argument is that humans are not adapted to work in large, anonymous bureacratic structures with formal hierarchies. The human mind still responds to personalized, charismatic leadership primarily in the context of informal, egalitarian settings. Hence the dissatisfaction and alienation that many employees experience. Salaries, bonuses and other priviliges exploit instincts for relative status, which attract particularly males to senior executive positions.[46].

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology#Cultural_universals

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  7. peterwn (3,239 comments) says:

    minus – I think Crown Law would let extradition take priority. I have wondered whether his behaviour is not coming near the point where his bail could be revoked. I suspect the police and Crown Law are keeping a close but discreet watch on this – but would want to be sure of their ground before acting. This adds credence that no Nat is involved. If he tried to influence a Nat MP his chances of being stung are high.

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  8. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    It would be amusing to see Socialist CONservatives tank in Epsom.

    And the spin Gwaig would use to try to convince the electorate he represents anything other than an idiot would be fun as well.

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  9. Keeping Stock (10,264 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe did an hour of talkback on Wellington’s Newstalk ZB yesterday. For anyone who was hearing him over an extended period (i.e. more than a 20-second sound-bite on the news), he won’t have made a particularly good impression.

    In particular, his refusal to acknowledge the FACT that interest rates were higher under a government in which he was a senior Minister, and his eagerness to abuse both the host and the current Government is revealing. Comments like “wah, wah, wah, it was different under Helen Clark. Sorry, guys, grow up.” are not what one would expect from the man who wants to be Prime Minister in less than six months.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/04/wah-wah-wah-yourself-mr-cunliffe.html

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  10. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ duggledog (1,072 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 8:12 am

    Actually in burglary stats, the ‘white’ guys are top of the rank. Whilst Maori are disproportionately represented in the stats, more pakeha, than Maori are charged with burglary. Therefore the use of a ‘white’ guy is totally appropriate. :-)

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  11. Chuck Bird (4,829 comments) says:

    IMP, where is your source?

    This is what I have

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/poll-of-polls

    Also have a look at the sidebar of this blog.

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  12. Reid (16,202 comments) says:

    Undecided voters, non-voters and those who refused to answer are excluded from the data on party support.

    The great Professor Bob Chapman had a model which he used accurately to predict election results that was honed over many years of poll and actual vote data and it used the undecided vote as the main determinant. Basically what it said was the larger the size of the undecided vote and the longer it remained undecided as the election date approached, the greater would be the movement against the incumbent govt.

    I don’t know what has happened with that model since the 1980’s but one would have thought polling companies would be aware of it and therefore would be interested in the undecideds at least even if not in the other two categories.

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  13. KiwiGreg (3,247 comments) says:

    RRM your drift to the right has been quite noticeable over last few years.

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  14. Elaycee (4,352 comments) says:

    Buckle up, Rachel… I doubt your apology will be the last you hear of this…

    Rachel Smalley left her microphone switched on during an ad break before the 6am News this morning (NewstalkZB) and described NZ women (average weight 70kg) as ‘heifers’ and ‘a bunch of lardos’….

    Smalley has forgotten the golden rule of broadcasting: Always treat the microphone as being switched ‘on’…. 8O

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9894921/Rachel-Smalley-apologises-for-on-air-bunch-of-lardos-quip

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  15. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    The Labour scum are really hammering this Liu affair on taxpayer-funded TVNZ, now we have the losers at Newstalkzb waffling a load of crap. Limp wrist Little must have would up his commo mates in media once more.

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  16. Paulus (2,597 comments) says:

    Is the Dann now expecting to be Labour candidate in Ilam related to the other two left wing media Danns’ ?
    He is described as a Left Wing Blogger also.

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  17. Keeping Stock (10,264 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee – what a hoot. Smalley is one of the more professional broadcasters out there, so this is a significant gaffe; the kind of thing you’d expect from a Martin Devlin or a Mark Watson ;-)

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  18. Paulus (2,597 comments) says:

    Poor Smalley – whilst everybody agrees with what you said – you are non PC.
    Sure, the shouting will count against your future employment.
    Look what they did to Paul Henry – Women hate women more though.

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  19. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    “It’s actually okay to hunt even more whales. But what will happen is that the number of whales taken will decrease,” added Komatsu”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/01/japan-whaling-idUSL4N0MT2FI20140401

    Hunting them? Causing them stress and torment? Scaring them, and forcing them to flee, isolating them from their herd … and for what? Some fantasised scientific research – what are they trying to find out – how much stress it takes to kill a whale?

    Bastards.

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  20. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/03/exposed-kerry-implicated-in-turkey-false-flag-using-alqaeda-to-start-war-with-syria-_syriangirlpartisan-2609538.html

    A leaked conversation between Turkey’s intelligence chief and the war room reveals plot to create a casus belli for war with Syria by using ISIL, an alQaeda offshoot, to threaten a turkish shrine Suleiman Shah Tomb. Turkey has blocked youtube in order to cover up the leaks. Turkish Foreign Ministry confirmed the recording of planning for a military incursion into Syria adding that a ‘network of treason’ was responsible for leak. Part two of the leaked conversation implicates John Kerry US secretary of state in the plot.

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  21. flipper (3,947 comments) says:

    Without looking at the stats, I suspect that Judith is correct – white trash are the main culprits. Maori and PIs mire likely to do a bash and grab.

    A case in point is /was the well known burglar, one (James, from memory) Royce, who started his “career” in Gisborne and then moved gradually south to Wellington.

    Wraith like, he once (in)famously did a whole street in Wellington’s Hataitai suburb, moving house to house, two ahead of investigating police. They eventually got him on other charges before linking him to his “burgs”. In all Royce had more than 600 burglary convictions over several years.

    A drug infused piece of white trash, given to some violence.

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  22. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ Paulus (2,272 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 8:41 am

    ohhh dear, that’s not going to go down too well with the girls. Personally I think its kind of funny, and if the girls stop to think about it, how many of us are always complaining about the same thing – but hearing it over the radio waves could be a tad too real for most. Yes, she may have signed herself into forced obscurity. It will take more than an apology, unless something big happens on the media front, in which case it will be forgotten.

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  23. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    igm: “… the losers at Newstalkzb waffling a load of crap.”

    So what’s new??????????????????????????????

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  24. doggone7 (769 comments) says:

    And for another perspective on media political coverage. Audio on –
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/2591037

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  25. RF (1,366 comments) says:

    Last weekend I was with a group of friends who work in the Health & Education field. More left leaning than right. Boy has Cunliffe upset them. The females do not connect with him as he appears to be a “smarmy prick” and other similar phrases. The males just thought he was a tosser and needs to decide who he actually is rather than role playing.

    The message is getting louder Labour so look out in August.

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  26. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Smalley’s tone of voice is horribly nasal. She’s a waste of space and another (il)liberal host at NewstalkZB.

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  27. Reid (16,202 comments) says:

    Turkish Foreign Ministry confirmed the recording of planning for a military incursion into Syria adding that a ‘network of treason’ was responsible for leak.

    As opposed to the FAPSI which was the most likely culprit, Turkey blaming an internal plot in order to justify its censorship.

    One can only imagine what the useful idiots on here would be saying if it was a conversation between Putin and his advisors on Ukraine about using an Al-Qa’ida front group to execute a false flag. But nary a peep from them, not yesterday and what’s the bet, not today either.

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  28. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    iMP is making things up again (at 8.17 am). I pointed out errors in those same poll claims a couple of days ago so it’s unlikely to be ignorance, it looks more like deliberate misinformation. Craig has been known to give out misleading poll information, Conservative supporters seem to be as dishonest.

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  29. muggins (3,341 comments) says:

    Burglary stats.
    So what are the statistics?
    White/Caucasian %?
    Maori %?
    Pacific Islander%?
    Asian% ?

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  30. iMP (2,352 comments) says:

    Oh dear, Labour stalls in Ilam. But Debbie Mora was a National nominee in Port Hills 2008 and Wigram 2011 before she turn-coated to NZF and then Labour to try and get in to office.

    I don’t care which party, as long as I get near the trough.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/9893382/Labour-nominee-pulls-out-of-Ilam

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  31. hj (6,825 comments) says:

    Far North hapu says snapper limits ‘irrelevant’
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbnat/1219769317-far-north-hapu-says-snapper-limits–irrelevant-
    So where are The Greens on that? Who is in charge? Maori, Government or “partnership”?
    https://www.greens.org.nz/features/standing-tall-te-tiriti-o-waitangi

    Green Party Waffle

    We are on a new mission that weaves an exciting, and long overdue indigenous dimension to our party fabric of ecological wisdom, social and economic justice, non-violence and participatory democracy. No doubt we will gain, as individuals and as a party, much more than we will give in such a task.

    We need to act, and learn, together. There is a whakatauki, a proverb, which says: Ko te totara totika ki roto i te wao – the straightest, tallest totara (are) in the heart of the forest – in other words, leaders are nothing without others around to support them.

    And it should be said here; how can we truly understand the natural history of this country without the hundreds of years of Maori knowledge of it; of the poetry about native birds, animals and trees; the widely-ignored herbal remedies from plants, and indeed the spiritual reverence for mountains, lakes and rivers? Merely learning the meanings behind a local place name can be enriching. Tamaki-makau-rau – Tamaki of a hundred lovers: Maori name for Auckland – describes an area which commanded people’s affections because of its physical location and fertile soils, but it also evokes the image of a hundred or so small volcanic cones, all in close proximity.

    As a political party however, our main work in honouring the treaty must be at Parliament.

    Late in the 19th century Maori revolutionary fighter and Ringatu Church founder Te Kooti Arikirangi Te Turuki said just before he died: “The canoe to paddle, for you who follow me, is the law. Only the law can be pitched against the law.” Te Whiti-o-Rongomai said at around the same time: “What the law has torn asunder, only the law can sew together. What legislation has broken and shattered, only legislation can put together.”

    It has to happen. Me tu tangata tatou – “let us stand tall”- and make it happen soon.

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  32. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Judith you know you are talking shit.
    It is the number of maori burglars compared to the community as a whole that disrupts you noble savage narrative.

    Maori are more represented in the stats for conviction of property indeed almost all crime.

    unfortunately maori also bear the brunt of maori crime.

    http://www.corrections.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/672574/Over-representation-of-Maori-in-the-criminal-justice-system.pdf

    Relative to their numbers inthe general population, Maori are over-represented at every stage of the criminal justice process. Though forming just 12.5% of the general population aged 15 and over , 42% of all criminal apprehensions involve a person identifying as Maori, as do 50% of all persons in prison. For Māori women, the picture is even more acute: they comprise around 60% of the female prison
    population.The true scale of Māori over-representation is greaterthan a superficial reading ofsuch figures tends to convey. For example,
    with respect to the prison population, therate of imprisonment for this country’s non-Maori population is around 100 per
    100,000. If that rate applied to Māori also, the number of Māori in prison at any onetime would be no more than 650.There are however currently 4000 Māori in prison –
    six timesthe number one might otherwise expect

    .

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  33. Keeping Stock (10,264 comments) says:

    @ iMP – I note that Dann first missed out in Christchurch Central (to Tony Milne), before picking Ilam as his off-course substitute. I doubt that he will resound too well with the good folk of Fendalton.

    http://christchurchmusic.org.nz/news/james-macbeth-dann-run-christchurch-central

    Interesting too what he said in his speech at the Central selection meeting:

    It is my belief that Central is the most important electorate in the country at the moment; it is a symbol of the destruction wrought by the quakes which has been beamed around the country and the world – but it is also a symbol of the failure and broken promises from the National-led government. Brownlee and his accomplices have presided over a man-made disaster, far worse that the one caused by mother nature, and I believe that I am the best person to lead Labour and Christchurch Central towards a resolution.

    http://rebuildingchristchurch.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/my-speech-for-the-central-selection-meeting/

    Perhaps Ilam will suddenly become the “most important electorate in the country at the moment” :D

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  34. iMP (2,352 comments) says:

    Yes K.Stock, and until recently D. Mora was helping Hon. Amy Adams in Selwyn and tried to be Gerry Brownlee’s secretary in Ilam. Can Labour (and its desperate National party ring-ins) do nothing right?

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  35. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Interesting

    12.5% is the number taken from the census for those with maori ancestry
    Identifying as Maori is often not the same thing as having maori blood.

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  36. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    As opposed to the FAPSI which was the most likely culprit, Turkey blaming an internal plot in order to justify its censorship.

    Russia Today did a story on how mainstream media were not reporting the specifics which showed the true nature of the conspiracy being planned by Erdogan’s administration. Reuters continues to report developments in the Turkey-Syria conflict without reference to the Turkish conspiracy.

    As well as the three wiretaps that implicated the US in regional destabilization (Nuland, Erdogan et al, Tymoshenko) there was a fourth one:

    http://exopolitics.org/is-hacked-phone-call-of-ukraine-sniper-attacks-evidence-of-exopolitics-conflict/
    A hacked phone call between the Estonian Foreign Minister and EU Foreign Affairs chief, Catherine Ashton, reveals that snipers responsible for the death of protesters were not from the deposed Ukrainian government. The hacked phone call was made available to the RT news service and today was the subject of a number of news reports. The hacked call reveals that the snipers targeted both protesters and police. According to the call, there was a need to investigate, but there was no incentive among the new Euromaidan approved Ukrainian transition government to do so. The hacked call reveals that a mysterious third force was operating to destabilize the previous Ukrainian government run by President Yanukovych by making it appear responsible for the sniper attacks.

    Veterans today ran a piece about ET involvement, it looks to me like it has legs.

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  37. Lucia Maria (2,275 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t trust anything that came out of Russia Today, given that all independent media in Russia that doesn’t follow the Government line is getting shut down.

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  38. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ griffith (510 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 9:16 am

    – you clearly didn’t read my comment properly. I said Maori were disproportionately represented – which means yes, there are more Maori percentage wise which commit burglary than pakeha – but of the total number of burglaries there are more pakeha burglars apprehended than Maori. Of course there are more Pakeha in NZ which means percentage wise, their representation is much lower. But number wise, it is not.

    You are arguing exactly what I said. Honestly are you really that keen on finding an argument?

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  39. Viking2 (11,352 comments) says:

    minus (2 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 8:02 am

    Mr Dotcom said in an interview with TVNZ’s Q and A programme on the weekend that one of the politicians he really admires is Mr Shearer.

    The JFG continues to play with politicians and speculation and probably knows this game from reading THE ART OF WAR – SUN TZU – “All warfare is based on deception.”

    So Kim Dotcom claims he has a current sitting New Zealand Parliamentary Electorate Member “in-his-pocket”, already committed to joining the Internet Party and maybe about to betray her or his Party and current voters.
    Has Dotcom, or the alleged in-his-pocket sitting Member, committed any offence yet?

    Crimes Act 103 – Corruption and bribery of member of Parliament
    1)
    
Every member of Parliament is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who corruptly accepts or obtains, or agrees or offers to accept or attempts to obtain, any bribe for himself or herself or any other person in respect of any act done or omitted, or to be done or omitted, by him or her in his or her capacity as a member of Parliament

    2)
    
Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who corruptly gives or offers or agrees to give any bribe to any person with intent to influence any member of Parliament in respect of any act or omission by him or her in his or her capacity as a member of Parliament.

    It would be a bugger if instead of being extradited, we had to spend taxpayer money to keep Kim in one of our prisons.
    ======================================

    Problem with this is there are plenty of times past where this is just ignored when it comes to politico’s.
    Waste of ink.

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  40. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t trust anything that came out of Russia Today, given that all independent media in Russia that doesn’t follow the Government line is getting shut down.

    Lucia Maria, do you know who is responsible for them being shut down?

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  41. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Russia ranks very low in international surveys of media freedom. This is generally considered to be due to a combination of regulation and self-censorship as a result of government pressure.

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  42. duggledog (1,498 comments) says:

    Sorry Judith, I think you’re trying to make it sound like you want it to.

    Interesting to note the crime stats falling everywhere except: Northland, Central and Eastern BOP / Cape. Wonder why?

    I do wonder whether Maori will start to trickle back to their tribal lands that they don’t pay rates on more and more in coming years. I’ve got a bit to do with the property rental business around the country and oh boy. Chinese / Asian and Indian landlords simply won’t rent to anybody they perceive to be Maori, or at the least they are placed at the bottom of the list, below PI’s. They’ll never say it but that’s how it is.

    And these landlords aren’t holding back on snapping up any properties they can get their hands on.

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  43. Lucia Maria (2,275 comments) says:

    Ugly,

    Ultimately, Putin.

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  44. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Problem with this is there are plenty of times past where this is just ignored when it comes to politico’s.

    If there’s no corrupt intent then it’s only currying favours.

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  45. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Ultimately, Putin.

    How do you know Putin is responsible, and not one of the West’s proxies? There’s no shortage of evidence of interference, for example Victoria Nuland’s conversation with Geoffrey Pyatt.

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  46. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ duggledog (1,073 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 9:52 am

    I am not trying to make it sound any more than what it factually is.

    More Caucasian people in New Zealand, than Maori were apprehended for burglary.

    Percentage wise, more Maori than Caucasian feature in the burglary stats, but the issue or rather comment was, that the paper had got it wrong by not putting a Maori face as the burglar, because there are more Maori burglars. That is factually not correct according to the stats. The stats indicate very clearly that there are more Caucasian burglars apprehended.

    You can try and twist that to make yourself feel better, and justify anything you like, but factually the paper was correct. The number of Caucasian burglars apprehended in this country is higher than the number of Maori burglars – sorry if it interferes with your ‘ideals’.

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  47. Lucia Maria (2,275 comments) says:

    Russian Television Is Telling a False Story About Ukraine

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  48. Lucia Maria (2,275 comments) says:

    Ugly,

    How do you know Putin is responsible, and not one of the West’s proxies?

    Just like I know Father Christmas does not rule Russia right now. Putin is obviously in charge in Russia. How would one of the “one of the West’s proxies” shutdown indepedent media in Russia? It’s just an absurd question.

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  49. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Putin is obviously in charge in Russia.

    Does that mean that he is responsible for everything that happens there?

    How would one of the “one of the West’s proxies” shutdown indepedent media in Russia?

    Operation Mockingbird.

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  50. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    A bike is a basic human right claim the imbeciles and lunatics at The sub-Standard:

    This Government’s obsession with roads and cars, and their lack of investment in safe cycling and reliable public transport, ignores the fact that while high income families may own several cars, at the other end of the spectrum there are a growing number of families that not only can’t afford a house or a car, but struggle to own bicycles as well.

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  51. minus (174 comments) says:

    Labour has has done absolutely nothing in their current paid job as Opposition, apart from sabotage power company shares prices out of seeming spite, and change their leadership three times since the last Election.

    Few can remember what Labour stood for prior to last Election, although the main policy seemed to be we will dump Goff as soon as he looses and the only other plank, oppose partial asset sales, is now obsolete, as is Goff.

    Then all Labour members, in rare solidarity, allowed Shearer to stand holding two fish up in Parliament, ending that ‘leadership’ – when the fish recreational quota was actually the very issue that most surprisingly could have nailed National.
    And so three candidates, in the so-called American-style “primary”, ran around the country spouting policy which wasn’t official conference-determined policy, so leaving the general public with no fucking idea what Labour stands for now.

    Labour then diminishes its overall appeal of whatever it may stand for, by nominating an over-representation of gay and otherwise candidates.

    While the RF comment (8.35 above) may sum up Cunliffe, in that “females do not connect with him as he appears to be a “smarmy prick” and other similar phrases. The males just thought he was a tosser and needs to decide who he actually is rather than role playing.”

    No surprise that such a self-involved inward looking party now has such a bleak outlook.
    What a lot to fix in six months.
    Minus another day …

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  52. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    You clearly didn’t read my comment properly. I said Maori were disproportionately represented – which means yes, there are more Maori percentage wise which commit burglary than pakeha – but of the total number of burglaries there are more pakeha burglars apprehended than Maori.

    Unless you can quote a more accurate source you are combating fact with opinion.

    The information in the above linked justice report on maori and criminality shows more maori are arrested and convicted of both property and violent crime.

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  53. Newbie (44 comments) says:

    Regarding Maori crime: a friend and I was discussing this, and he says that it is the white person’s fault that Maori commit crimes. ie, due to the colonisation by the Brits, the taking away of their land, changing their cultures, etc etc. I’ve told him we cannot be held responsible for what the early British settlers did 100-200 years ago.

    Any thoughts on this?

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  54. Jacob Cohen (46 comments) says:

    Dotcom Lies Leave Labour Seeking a Traitor in Their Midst.

    Dotcom: 1 already; Labour: zilch :-)

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  55. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    While one can’t overlook the effects of colonisation when considering the position of Maori today, I think the situation is a little more complicated than it being the ‘white person’s fault’.

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  56. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Regarding Maori crime: a friend and I was discussing this, and he says that it is the white person’s fault that Maori commit crimes. ie, due to the colonisation by the Brits, the taking away of their land, changing their cultures, etc etc. I’ve told him we cannot be held responsible for what the early British settlers did 100-200 years ago.

    Any thoughts on this?

    “Fault” can mean both “cause” and “crime”, usually both, but not necessarily.

    Try rephrasing the situation using one or both of those two words and avoid the ambiguous word “fault”.

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  57. EAD (943 comments) says:

    @ Uglytruth 10:10am

    I disagree with you often but there are times when your depth and breadth of knowledge of political thought and media coverage is unsurpassed.

    If you want to see classic Operation Mockingbird in all it’s glory watch this short clip. The coverage of the Russia situation is just absurd in the Western MSM

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  58. Lucia Maria (2,275 comments) says:

    Ugly,

    Operation Mockingbird is not at work in Russia. For an idea of how independent news dies there, read this: A Week Before the Olympics, the Kremlin is Attacking Russia’s Last Independent TV Channel Putin taketh away and this: Russia’s Last Independent TV Channel Is Fighting For Its Life And it’s asking for your help.

    Dozhd does live broadcasts, long a thing of the past on state TV since they cannot be controlled; it gives airtime to the opposition (blacklisted on state TV) as well as to representatives of the state; and, during the anti-Kremlin protests in the winter of 2011-2012, it was the only channel in Russia that fully covered what was going on.

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  59. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Upon reflection, I edited the above comment to change the word “responsibility” to “crime”, because “responsibility” is a little ambiguous as well – it can mean “fault”, but can also mean “duty”.

    And while it’s no one alive today’s fault (crime) that Maori were marginalised in the past, that marginalisation is to blame (cause) for much of today’s statistical overrepresentation of Maori in prison, but just because colonisation is no one today’s responsibility (fault), that doesn’t mean that we don’t collectively have a responsibility (duty) to address that unfair situation, which was brought about through no fault (crime or cause) of Maori today.

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  60. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Spin doctors at work, but who is lying? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594309/President-plans-victory-lap-strong-Obamacare-enrollment-Sebelius-faces-unpopular-law-blank-stare-tough-questions-remain-whos-signing-up.html

    A triumphant President Barack Obama declared Tuesday his signature medical insurance overhaul a success, saying it has made America’s health care system ‘a lot better’ in a Rose Garden press conference.

    But buried in the 7.1 million enrollments he announced in a heavily staged appearance is a more unsettling reality. Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans – nowhere near 7.1 million – have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night.

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  61. KiwiGreg (3,247 comments) says:

    “that Maori were marginalised in the past, that marginalisation is to blame (cause) for much of today’s statistical overrepresentation of Maori in prison,”

    Really? I mean ignoring all the definitional issues of who is a maori, you feel that something that happened 150 years ago is somehow genetically or socially passed on causing someone to go out an commit crime today?

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  62. EAD (943 comments) says:

    Right on time, Nigel Farage does a great little op-ed in the left leaning Independent summing up the mentality of politicos and the MSM:

    The media prefers a simple narrative….. “Our Westminster politicians seem to think that in any conflict there must always be a “goodie” and a “baddie”. They like to make it simple: anyone who is in the West equals goodie. Anyone who looks like an underdog equals goodie. They appear to make little effort to find about out which people they are supporting.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/nigel-farage-in-any-armed-conflict-why-do-our-politicians-rush-to-support-the-rebels-9228311.html

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  63. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I’ve told him we cannot be held responsible for what the early British settlers did 100-200 years ago.

    We can still be held responsible for what we do today. The relationship between the Maori people and their land (or any people, for that matter) is a fundamental factor in the health of their culture. If the state tells them what they can and can’t do with their own land (resource consents, permits, etc) and they kowtow to this then their self respect has got to suffer.

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  64. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ griffith

    You are being absolutely ridiculous.

    The agrument was – More Maori commit burglary than Caucasian and therefore the picture should have shown a Maori person.
    The counter argument was — no, more maori do not commit burglary than Caucasian, and the statistics prove that.

    Percentage wise of the different populations, Maori are over represented, BUT number wise they are not the largest group of burglars.

    Even with overall crime, there are still more Caucasian offenders (40.6%) compared to Maori (37.5%) so either way YOU LOSE! http://wikinewzealand.org/?tag=maori&paged=2 (near bottom of page)

    AND, the argument was concerning BURGLARY not violent crime, not property crime of which burglary is a subset, and so on. Whilst no one is arguing the disproportionate representation of Maori in the statistics (as per your report), the fact is – there are more Caucasian burglars apprehended than Maori. Get over it Griffith, you are wrong – or muddled, or just stupid – I can’t decide which.

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  65. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Operation Mockingbird is not at work in Russia.

    How do you know that? The same way that you “know” that Putin is responsible for the suppression of alternative Russian media?

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  66. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Really? I mean ignoring all the definitional issues of who is a maori, you feel that something that happened 150 years ago is somehow genetically or socially passed on causing someone to go out an commit crime today?

    150 years ago today, the American Civil War was raging. I think it’s safe to say that the past has an effect on the present. I am not talking about any single event, however. I’m talking about all of the past causal factors that have given rise to the situation today.

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  67. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Newbie

    due to the colonisation by the Brits, the taking away of their land, changing their cultures, etc etc.

    Between 1810 and 1840 What was the most significant thing that happened to maori?

    The biggest change in their world?

    Intertribal genocide erupted across the islands of New Zealand.

    Guns resulted in both an arms race and slaughter.

    The highly praised export industries of tohunga, flax and food across the Tasman was fueled with the slaves captured by brutal attacks on tribes miles away. Trade to supply weapons of war.
    The resultant UTU manufactured displaced proceeded to inflict same on yet more maori culminating in the invasion of the chatam isl and wholesale slaughter of the inhabitants in 1936.

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  68. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    KiwiGreg (3,117 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 10:50 am

    Really? I mean ignoring all the definitional issues of who is a maori, you feel that something that happened 150 years ago is somehow genetically or socially passed on causing someone to go out an commit crime today?

    People tend to turn out like their parents. Those who rise above their disadvantages are the exception not the rule. Of course people can always choose differently but they most often don’t.

    Ryan makes an excellent distinction between attributing moral blame for an individuals actions to Pakeha vs simply acknowledging the historical causes of statistical anomalies.

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  69. David Garrett (6,969 comments) says:

    What a load of bollocks the furore around this woman who referred to NZ women as “heifers” and “lardos”…

    When I was in the UK 100 years ago we used to play a game when bored…it was called “Spot the Australasian arse”…There were two forms of the game: the short form involved just asking a target whether she was an Aussie or a NZer….the “test” version involved picking a woman out of the crowd walking down the Haymarket towards New Zealand House, and seeing if said lard arse went into NZ house to pick up her mail…

    The game got boring after a while because even the test version was too easy…

    I remember an Aussie friend of mine who quite seriously claimed that the “australasian arse” was the result of ingesting too much dairy products, and netball…

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  70. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (2,634 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 8:41 am

    UT, I do query the reliability and reputation of your links especially like “Before its News “. Just go to the search function and type in Jews or Illuminati and you might get my point.

    Manolo re Obama care enrollments . Not bad given the blatant propaganda and disinfo by the far right and stonewalling by the Repblicans

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  71. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://www.corrections.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/672574/Over-representation-of-Maori-in-the-criminal-justice-system.pdf
    Page 52
    fig 3.1 violent offences
    fig 3.2 All property offences

    If you have alternate stats specifically on burglary I would enjoy seeing a link to them.
    Takes to much time to piss around with stat nz for hours to find such a specific

    If you are exposed to sth ack culture you know that most burgs are not reported to the police in Glendon and similar suburbs that are full of maori.

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  72. Pete George (23,426 comments) says:

    John Key has been accused of grossly exaggerating the costs of Labour’s early childhood education policy by up to ten times. It looks like he’s at last double and probably much more. Key:

    Mr Key cited Labour’s promise to increase early childhood education from 20 free hours a week for three and four years old to 25 hours a week.

    The policy doesn’t take effect until July 2017 but Labour has costed it at $57 million in the first year and about $60 million after that.

    Mr Key said the cost was more likely to be $600 million, $700 million or $800 million.

    This has been costed at a maximum of $313 million and would probably be much less. Cunliffe would be blasted for something like that. Key’s claim looks tricky.

    Key’s early childhood education cost claim disputed

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  73. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    This is a good article on the latest IPCC report and reaction to it:
    The scope of the report is very broad, going over the climate change impact on the planet’s physical systems (oceans, coasts, weather, and so on) as well as the biosphere (humans, animals, agriculture) and human society, and then discussing how we must adapt to and manage/mitigate these risks.
    Food production rates are already getting lower, with crop yields dropping. Most studies project yields dropping even more over time, with half the studies showing a 10 percent or (far) more drop by the end of the century. More people (millions) will be displaced due to coastal and waterway flooding as sea level rises. There will be even more extreme weather events, including more droughts in some places and more rainfall in others. The dynamics of marine organisms will be profoundly altered, including shifting migrations of species due to warming waters, ocean acidification, and changing oxygen levels in water (warm water holds less dissolved gas in it). Those “oxygen minimum zones” are expanding over time as well. The examples in the report march on for quite some length. It’s grave.
    As you might expect, the deny-o-sphere’s reaction to this report is to spin like the blades of a kitchen mixer. While the IPCC report talks about the devastating impact climate change will have on populations, resources like crops and water, economic loss, extreme weather, and more, the Daily Mail has an article with the headline—seriously—of, “Climate change will benefit tourism and cause a boom in Arctic cruises, claims leaked UN report.”
    Not surprisingly, the Heartland Institute has weighed in on the report, giving it its usual bizarre misinterpretation. Like many other deniers, the group focuses in on the (at best very limited and local) benefits of climate change, ignoring the vast and global risks involved that are hammered home by the IPCC report. It’s like finding a penny in huge pile of bills and calling it a net profit.
    James Delingpole took to the keyboard and wrote an article in advance of the IPCC report, focusing on the idea that global warming won’t cost us nearly as much as earlier claims. This is based on the findings of economist Richard Tol, who actually worked on the IPCC report, but left the group after claiming they were being alarmist. However, Tol’s conclusions have been widely rejected as severely underestimating the economic damage due to climate change.
    Despite this, I want to mention one other thing that struck me, both in the report and by the scientists themselves during the press conference: a sense, just a whiff, of cautious optimism. Let me be clear: Things are already bad, and they are going to get very much worse. We know this. But how much worse they get depends in large part on us.
    The faint optimism by the chairs of the report seems to come from the idea that there are measures we can undertake to minimize the damage. It may not be enough, but it may help, and give us needed time to create better solutions. Many governments are well past the stage of acknowledging climate change and are in fact starting to figure out what to do about it. Incremental adjustments are being made, emphasizing “flexibility and learning.”
    The one I think is most important is the mitigation of greenhouse gas emission. According to the report this can “substantially reduce risks of climate change in the second half of the 21st century.” Reducing these emissions can help crop yield, reduce water scarcity, reduce sea level rise issues, and more. It also slows things down, giving us more time to adapt and figure out what steps to take next. This is clearly a first, best step.
    We need to learn from experience, act across all scales (local to global), increase our resilience, and embed thinking about climate change into our actions that can affect the environment. They give many examples of this: using renewable energy sources, carbon storage and sequestration, changing agricultural practices, and so on.
    It’s possible we can stave off the very worst of the disaster.
    But make no mistake: This optimism, weak as it may be, depends on mitigation of and adaptation to our warming planet. In other words, and critically, there is only a chance if we take action.
    The false optimism peddled by deniers (“it’s not so bad”) is the opposite of this. If we ignore them we may yet minimize the terrible impact of climate change. But if we heed them, and ignore climate change, then their false optimism will prove to be disastrous.

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  74. flash2846 (255 comments) says:

    Judith (5,460 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 8:27 am
    Actually in burglary stats, the ‘white’ guys are top of the rank………

    Judith I don’t think you are accurate here and it upsets me when people like you make these statements which in turn fuel racism.

    Caucasians have an extremely low representation in criminal acts given they are the majority of our population. Causations should be congratulated for this fact and not blamed for the “problems” of others.

    What will it take to have Maori leadership accept responsibility for so much pain and suffering?

    Polynesians, Asians, Europeans, Americans, New Zealanders, Africans…etc. in New Zealand manage to behave themselves so there’s no excuse.

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  75. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I do query the reliability and reputation of your links especially like “Before its News “

    Here’s part of the transcript of the conversation that led to their article:

    http://thefreedomreport.us/kerry-implicated-turkey-false-flag-using-alqaeda-start-war-syria/

    Hakan Fidan: If necessary, we can make an attack there (Tomb of Suleyman Sah) as well, there too, we attack preemptively. We can do, I mean, I am trying to understand.

    SEVENTH SCREEN:

    Feridun Sinirlioğlu: We have done these before, these can be done of course. We can make it done,

    Hakan Fidan: I mean, if we are ready to use that thing, in correct time and place, let us do it with a purpose determined by us.

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: Hakan, as you said, if what you mean is a lack of strategy in fabricating a justification, you are right. Against these men…

    An officer: Sir, without that happening-

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yes, we will pass on to that okay take it and I am coming. You cannot say to the US Secretary of State, “we need to take strong measures.”

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  76. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ flash2846 (127 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 11:50 am

    That may be so flash, but that wasn’t the argument, or the question being asked. The question or rather statement was that there were more Maori burglars than Caucasian. That is factually incorrect. The numbers are very clear, and even clear in overall crime stats. Caucasians number 40.6% and Maori 37.5%.

    As you say, a bigger percentage of the Maori population are represented in crime stats, BUT that was not the issue being raised. You expect me or anyone just to accept a wrong being presented, just so it makes everyone feel a little better? A fact is a fact, and factually more Caucasian’s commit crimes in NZ than any other ethnicity. Percentage wise of total ethnic group, more Maori commit crimes. The two figures are very different conceptually and you cannot use one to represent the other.

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  77. flash2846 (255 comments) says:

    @ Judith – Point taken (as was yesterdays). I will need to put some thought into a suitable reply so it will have to wait. Taking a break for todays exercise Yippee!
    Something I want to say though is: I am proud to be of European decent; very proud. We are good people.

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  78. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Something I want to say though is: I am proud to be of European decent; very proud.

    It’s quite the achievement. Great work, Flash!

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  79. All_on_Red (1,550 comments) says:

    Mikey
    “. Most studies project yields dropping even more over time, with half the studies showing a 10 percent or (far) more drop by the end of the century.”

    Oh this so just not true. Go to the US dept of Agriculture website and look up both US and worldwide crop yields for wheat soybean and corn.
    The trends since the 60′ s is of steady growth. No decline at all. Production of Corn and Wheat is up 700 and 500 million ton’s respectively from 1960 to date.
    Plants like CO2- go figure…

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  80. Andrei (2,545 comments) says:

    Well good luck with that chums……

    Ukraine crisis: Kiev takes on far right

    Remember when they were “peaceful” protestors back when the “Pro-Russian”(1) Government held the office and before being replaced by the “legitimate”(2) Government that now reigns.

    (1) Pro-Russian – John Kerry speak for Democratically elected
    (2) Legitimate – John Kerry Speak for coup installed Government favoured by Washington

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  81. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Across the ditch the ABC does not hide its anti-West propaganda:
    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/qa_a_celebration_of_self_loathing_and_leftist_bias/

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  82. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    U T,
    I’m actually quite underwhelmed by the alleged discussions between Turkish intelligence officials.In the first instance false flag operations have been an instrument of state policy and military strategy going back to the burning of Nero’s Rome and beyond. Bring us back to recent times and we other examples of the Mukden incident ( pretext of Japanese to invade Manchuria ), Reichstag Fire , ( pretext to suppress political opposition etc ) Hitler’s invasion of Poland ( border incident pretext) , Soviet invasion of Finland and so on.
    Possibly the most notorious one for Conspiracy Theorists is “Operation Northwards.” , a series of false flag proposals put to President Kennedy by his intelligence chiefs for the invasion of Cuba.The president rejected them outright. BTW the full documentation of ” Operation Northwards was made fully available both offline and on line to the public prior to 9/11..
    So you see there is nothing actually remarkable about these exchanges and I do note the apparent desire to even try and keep Kerry and the US in the dark. False flag attack proposals are going on a lot of the time on all sides. its even suggested that the attack on Russian apartments by Chechyan separatists was a Kremlin FSB conspiracy false flag attack.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

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  83. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    All on red
    The report notes that only half of studies show a 10% or more drop in yields over the century, so it’s fair to say there is a good deal of uncertainty about some of the impacts on agriculture.
    Presumably you will agree more with other conclusions that are more widely supported.

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  84. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Reichsführer Reid,

    “But nary a peep from them, not yesterday and what’s the bet, not today either.”

    That’s because we don’t get our info from whackjob fringe conspiracy web sites. We leave that to Jew haters like you and UT and Putin’s other useful idiots.

    By the way, looks like Putin’s race war is coming unstuck. Turns out he’s all talk and no hat.

    ‘Russian troops pull back from Ukraine border as NATO says not enough’

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/01/russia-hikes-gas-price-for-ukraine/?intcmp=latestnews

    Nato suspends Russia co-operation

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26838894

    I guess it’s easy to be tough when your prancing around a river with your shirt off like some gay-boy model, but Nato clearly has him shit scared :)

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  85. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    Andrei, your either seriously misinformed or deluded to think that Russia itself does not have its own equivalents to Ukrainian far right elements which the Kremlin controlled and censored RT etc love to highlight.
    Russian National Unity comes to mind and Putin’s Russia has witnessed an increase in atacls by Russian nationalists , fascists etc against Muslims, Jews and other ethnic/ racial minorities .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity

    and,

    http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Russian+National+Unity&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&imgil=Rdya3nUIVPj_8M%253A%253Bhttp%253A%252F%252Ft2.gstatic.com%

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  86. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    So you see there is nothing actually remarkable about these exchanges

    So it would be logical to conclude that recent evidence of US involvement in false flag operations could actually constitute proof of such?
    What I find remarkable is the recent increase in exposure of these “black” operations.

    and I do note the apparent desire to even try and keep Kerry and the US in the dark.

    How do you figure that?

    Immediately before John Kerry was mentioned the topic of discussion was the lack of a strategy. Davutoğlu emphasised that this lack of strategy was a problem when he said that he couldn’t go to Kerry without one. What this implies is that Davutoğlu believed that presenting a workable strategy for the false flag to Kerry was important, as if Kerry would not condone or support the attack unless he knew what that strategy actually was.

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  87. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    That’s because we don’t get our info from whackjob fringe conspiracy web sites. We leave that to Jew haters like you and UT and Putin’s other useful idiots.

    Looks like Kiwiblog’s most prolific liar is digging in.

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  88. Andrei (2,545 comments) says:

    Shawn you moron, of course he’s scared and so should you be – these cretins are trying to start World War 3.

    Putin is trying to keep his people safe you clot – don’t you know any fucking history, clearly not

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  89. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “Lucia Maria, do you know who is responsible for them being shut down?”

    Putin you dick. Or was it your reptilian shapeshifting lizards?

    I know, Queen Elisabeth is taking time out from making children magically disappear to do it! :)

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  90. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “these cretins are trying to start World War 3.”

    I agree. Putin, his cronies and his supporters are definitely cretinous.

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  91. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “don’t you know any fucking history”

    I find it helps not to get my “history” pre-approved by the Kremlin.

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  92. muggins (3,341 comments) says:

    muggins (2,884 comments) says:

    April 2nd, 2014 at 9:03 am
    Burglary stats.
    So what are the statistics?
    White/Caucasian %?
    Maori %?
    Pacific Islander%?
    Asian% ?

    I ask again, what are the burglary statistics?

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  93. All_on_Red (1,550 comments) says:

    Mikey
    I think it’s fair to say there’s a lot of uncertainty about the whole WG 11 report… There’s a fair bit of cherry picking going on within the media as well. Usually of an alarmist nature.
    Still good to see that the estimate of Sea Level rise by 2100 has been reduced to ” only” 1 metre. Five years ago they were saying 20!

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  94. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    Ugly,

    You completely ignore the points I raised in the first instance and this alleged false flag attack is but a proposal and I note they consider it important enough to put to Kerry and hopefully like JFK he would reject it outright.
    Your seriously deluded if you think e.g that his neighbour , due north Russia and one due south , Syria have not at some stage entertained similar as an instrument of military policy .
    Really this is the stuff of a lot of conspiracy theory and paranoia
    e.g here,

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/10/enough-already-syria-wasn-t-a-false-flag-operation.html

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  95. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ flash2846 (128 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    And I am proud to be of European descent as well, and yes, we are like most humans, inherently good – however, we define good according to the context in which we live, and it was not all that long ago that someone who was ‘good’ was defined by how he handled his sword.

    The thing with statistics is, you can always play with them enough to make them fit any argument.

    I could for example take the argument above and say that as there are no Maori with 100% Maori ancestry, then we need to deduct from their statistics the percentage that represents the Caucasian in those that identify as being ethnic Maori – now if we did that, and added that percentage to the Caucasian crime statistics, we’re not going to come across as such a ‘good’ lot at all.

    But that would not help the over all condition – however, makes for an interesting argument as to ‘who is the baddest’, because after all the one thing that both groups of criminals have in common, is some degree of European ancestry!! ;-) (just playing, but its worth some thought).

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  96. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You completely ignore the points I raised in the first instance

    That’s pretty vague. What points are you talking about?

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  97. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Stephieboy @ 12:59

    Spot on. Not to mention Aleksandr Dugin and his Eurasian Empire Fascists who are very close to the Kremlin.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

    Putin’s Brain: Alexander Dugin and the Philosophy Behind Putin’s Invasion of Crimea.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141080/anton-barbashin-and-hannah-thoburn/putins-brain

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  98. Andrei (2,545 comments) says:

    Do you actually believe the crap you post Shawn?

    143 Million people live in the Russian Federation Shawn and they all just want to go about their daily lives just like you do.

    And Vladimir Putin’s job is to see that they can, go about their daily business, earn their livings and enjoy their lives in peace.

    The last thing Russia needs is a civil war on its borders, its not good for anybody but thanks to Western fiddling this is what they have got.

    An elected Government in a bordering Nation has been overthrown and replaced by one that is hostile to Russia and being encouraged to be hostile to Russia.

    If Putin had done this in Mexico the USA would have invaded Mexico months ago – whereas Putin has continued to supply Ukraine with the gas it needs to function – despite not being paid for it, even at the hugely discounted rate Russia has been charging Ukraine (in order to help them out).

    The so called increase in Gas price is in fact the removal of this subsidy given by Russia to the previous regime to help it overcome its difficulties

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  99. mandk (949 comments) says:

    All-on-Red at 12.26: “Oh this so just not true”

    Yes, and even if it were true, we could overcome the problem with genetic engineering of crops.

    Oh wait … the people who are telling us there is going to be a problem with crop yields will be the same as the ones telling us that we must be GE-free :-)

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  100. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    China has burned currency speculators. They have lost the equivalent of seven billion NZ dollars betting on the yuan.
    Note the link is in US dollars.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-01/china-burns-speculators-as-5-5-billion-lost-on-yuan-bets.html

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  101. muggins (3,341 comments) says:

    http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/119820/how-much-maori-blood-enough?page=0%2C0
    Apparently if you are a descendant of a full-blooded Maori then you qualify as being a maori.
    muggins (2,886 comments) says:

    April 2nd, 2014 at 1:07 pm
    muggins (2,884 comments) says:

    April 2nd, 2014 at 9:03 am
    Burglary stats.
    So what are the statistics?
    White/Caucasian %?
    Maori %?
    Pacific Islander%?
    Asian% ?

    So I ask again, what are the burglary statistics?

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  102. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    Shawn , thank you . At least we can agree on some things.
    U T, There is nothing vague about ,historically speaking,. False flag attacks which were and still are a part of state military policy on all sides. They originated in naval engagements raising a “false’ Flag to deceive the enemy.
    But there not as extensive as CTers like Alex Jones and you would have us believe.
    Operation Northwards comes to mind.

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  103. mandk (949 comments) says:

    Take a look at what just four years’ worth of drug abuse can do to you. Apart from killing you, that is.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9896049/Man-found-dead-in-caravan-had-been-huffing

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  104. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    crop yeld per acre iowa

    A obvious trend in decline in yield over the last ten years.

    https://www.extension.iastate.edu/agdm/crops/pdf/a1-12.pdf

    Taking point eh all in red with no link
    dreamer.

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  105. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    U T, There is nothing vague about ,historically speaking,. False flag attacks which were and still are a part of state military policy on all sides. They originated in naval engagements raising a “false’ Flag to deceive the enemy.
    But there not as extensive as CTers like Alex Jones and you would have us believe.

    Are these are the points that you think that I was ignoring?

    If you want to claim that false flags are not as extensive as I would have you believe, then what evidence do you have to support your position?
    It seems that you accept that false flags have occurred, but you deny US involvement in any of them. Perhaps you could clarify?

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  106. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    All_on_Red (889 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Mikey
    “. Most studies project yields dropping even more over time, with half the studies showing a 10 percent or (far) more drop by the end of the century.”

    Oh this so just not true. Go to the US dept of Agriculture website and look up both US and worldwide crop yields for wheat soybean and corn.
    The trends since the 60′ s is of steady growth. No decline at all. Production of Corn and Wheat is up 700 and 500 million ton’s respectively from 1960 to date.
    Plants like CO2- go figure…

    “project… by the end of the century” is not the same as “trends since the 60s”.

    Of course there’s plenty of uncertainty in such projections. Changes in technology and the consequent effects are difficult to predict. This sort of forecast is probably best considered as a hypothetical “if all else were kept equal” type scenario.

    edit: Just noted the original statement “Food production rates are already getting lower, with crop yields dropping. ”

    That doesn’t seem true.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Food_production_per_capita_1961-2005.png/220px-Food_production_per_capita_1961-2005.png

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  107. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    All_on_Red (889 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    Mikey
    I think it’s fair to say there’s a lot of uncertainty about the whole WG 11 report… There’s a fair bit of cherry picking going on within the media as well. Usually of an alarmist nature.
    Still good to see that the estimate of Sea Level rise by 2100 has been reduced to ” only” 1 metre. Five years ago they were saying 20!

    This is not true.

    Refer the 4th Assessment Report:


    Global sea level is projected to rise during the 21st century at a greater rate than during 1961 to 2003. Under the IPCC Special Report on Emission Scenarios (SRES) A1B scenario by the mid-2090s, for instance, global sea level reaches 0.22 to 0.44 m above 1990 levels, and is rising at about 4 mm yr–1

    http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-5-1.html

    http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-5-1-figure-1.html

    It clearly does not forecast that sea level will rise by 20m by 2100.

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  108. Paulus (2,597 comments) says:

    In the latest Census there are 213 Ethnic Groups in New Zealand.

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  109. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The spread of western farming practise seed and fertiliser and removal of natural habitat has been exponential over that time weihane.

    It is more interesting to look at the known effects of extremes in temperature and rainfall patterns.

    The droughts in the USA west. Queensland and parts of NZ have all been recorded at new national extremes in the last two years.
    As we would expect from the warming ongoing to our planets ecosphere. .
    Effects from global warming are becoming statistically significant on a regional scale all over the world.
    http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n3/full/nclimate2145.html

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  110. Rowan (2,067 comments) says:

    This is a bit ridiculous, “Norrie” is now legally recognised in Australia as gender neutral or as an “it”. You are what you are born, does this mean that ‘it’ has removed its genetalia? as this definitely makes one either male or female!!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/9896212/Neither-man-nor-woman

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  111. Ross12 (1,378 comments) says:

    This information on crop yields agrees with Weihana’s point.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/01/la-times-tony-barboza-gets-gaught-fear-mongering-the-ipcc-report-becomes-first-victim-of-facts-that-dont-agree-with-claims/#more-106782

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  112. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    Australian news currently being pulled off the internet

    A PROMINENT underworld lawyer was recruited by Victoria Police to inform on major criminal figures operating in Melbourne for more than a decade. The controversial move to list the lawyer – who the Herald Sun has chosen to name only as Lawyer X – as a registered ­informer gave the force unprecedented access to information on some of Australia’s biggest drug barons, hitmen and others involved in Melbourne’s gangland war. The force’s biggest secret in turning a high-profile criminal lawyer into an informer brings in to question police ethics in cultivating “human sources’’, which went spectacularly wrong. It ended…more »

    Try searching for it, just a whole lot of Page Not Founds.

    Edit: I did find a cache of the article on the Wayback machine, but it got pulled as I was reading it, and now says it can’t find the page.

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  113. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    Found an article giving more detail:

    A VICTORIAN judge last night ordered the Herald-Sun newspaper to stop its presses, as Victoria Police sought an 11-hour injunction relating to an article on a defence lawyer who turned police informant while playing a starring role in Melbourne’s gangland cases.

    The newspaper reports today that Victoria Police sought a Supreme Court injunction at 7.30pm yesterday to prevent the Herald-Sun from publishing any information about “Lawyer X”, who has not been identified by the Herald Sun or The Australian this week amid concerns for the lawyer’s safety.

    A judge ordered the paper to stop its presses and prohibited the publication of any information that would tend to identify the lawyer.

    The intervention comes as The Australian reveals today that gangland Carl Williams suspected Lawyer X of providing information to police and warned drugs associate Tony Mokbel against using the lawyer in future cases.

    The Australian has learned of a confrontation between Williams and the lawyer in which Williams accused the lawyer of lying to him about whether other gangland clients were providing statements to police about his criminal activities.

    Yet despite suspecting the lawyer of supplying information to Victoria’s Purana taskforce investigating a series of unsolved gangland murders, Williams remained in contact with the lawyer.

    Mokbel and his family members ignored Williams’s concerns and continued to deal with the lawyer.

    It is alleged the lawyer was first registered as a police informant as early as 1996 and helped police until 2010. The lawyer, who is still registered to practise in Victoria, has denied being a police informant and any wrongdoing.

    Rob Stary, a high-profile criminal lawyer who represented Mokbel in his major drug cases, said if a defence lawyer had been used as a police informant, it would create a “nightmare’’ for the justice system.

    Mr Stary called for a royal commission to restore public confidence.

    Any inquiry would examine whether criminal trials were compromised and senior police corrupted through the use of the informant and whether police were justified in offering rich inducements to secure information and testimony.

    It would also scrutinise the merits of a large, confidential payment made by police to the lawyer after the relationship soured.

    The revelations about the lawyer, first reported in the Herald Sun, will rekindle speculation about whether Mokbel was tipped off about pending murder charges before he fled to Greece and, if so, who provided the information.

    Mr Stary said Victoria’s Office of Public Prosecutions should review all trials in which the lawyer acted and potentially provided information to police. “If they have acted as registered informer since 1996 and proceeded to represent people, people will be asking, have I been compromised?’’ he said.

    “Something needs to be said about the role of the police in all this. For years we have been calling for a royal commission. You have got to look at the impact of police corruption on the justice system and how things have been compromised.’’

    A spokesman for Victorian Attorney-General Robert Clark said the allegations were a matter for the state’s Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission but the opposition says IBAC operates under an “absurd” framework.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/judge-intervenes-over-herald-sun-story-on-gangland-lawyer/story-e6frg996-1226871953772#

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  114. All_on_Red (1,550 comments) says:

    Ross 12
    If you look at the USDA graph there you will see the actual production from 1960 to date of corn wheat etc and that’s where my figures came from.
    Let’s face it, Griff would just spray spittle and abuse if I gave him a WUWT link, charming little retard that he is.

    It’s well established plant ( and crop) growth is up. Weihana is splitting hairs in saying its the projected trend by the end of the Century and in fact it’s ludicrous to think crop growth will decline due to more CO2 in the face of a 70 year TREND of increases of both crop production and also of CO2. Mankind is far more efficient at farming than we have ever been before as well.
    You guys do realise that the optimum level of CO 2 for plants is 2000 ppm.

    Weihana,
    “They” refers to alarmists like James Hansen or Tim Flannery etc. Still, it’s hard to keep up with all the back peddling by the IPCC. .

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  115. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26433502

    People can’t see a way forward’
    Russell Webb Farming has become a desperate struggle, says Deputy Mayor Russell Webb

    Australia is well used to nature’s extremes, but not only is this drought so severe, it arrived so soon after the previous big dry.

    When farmers suffer, so do the regional towns and cities that feed off agriculture.

    First a local chemist may close, followed by the pub or bakery next door, and as jobs slowly disappear and residents leave, communities start to decline.

    Russell Webb, the Deputy Mayor of the Tamworth regional council, who is also a cattle farmer, says that for some, life on the land is a desperate struggle.
    “People just can’t find or see a way forward, and, of course, they become very depressed.

    “As we know some people take it that next step, the final step, which is really, really sad.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-29/california-farms-going-thirsty-as-drought-burns-5-billion-hole.html

    The state was the driest ever in 2013, a third straight year of little moisture. California Governor Jerry Brown declared a drought emergency on Jan. 17 as arid conditions he called “unprecedented” continued well into the annual rainy season that runs from October through March.

    Reservoirs on Jan. 27 were at 61 percent of average, while the mountain snow-pack as of Dec. 30 that supplies most of the state’s water was at 20 percent of normal for that time of year, data show.

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  116. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Because all in 22 years

    you keep going to the same limited source

    that is discredited because it lies so often,

    22 years of no trend is not supported by the climate temperature anomaly In any series I now off.

    This has been shown to you how many times .

    yet still you say it

    based on data that proves you wrong .

    False information Supplied by the same gentlemen who supports some of your above argument of course.

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  117. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    “22 years of no trend is not supported by the climate temperature anomaly In any series”

    Yeah, good point, it’s only 17.5 years so far.

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  118. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    https://www.extension.iastate.edu/agdm/crops/pdf/a1-12.pdf

    Corn yeild iowa recent ten years showsa decline in all areas with some showing substantial falls in yield
    due to the drought/ s that have effected the usa in the last 3 years.

    Global scale involves too much noise misses the regional impact.
    see the linked drought in california

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  119. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Show or tell right now

    show us please the series with no trend.

    http://skepticalscience.com/trend.php

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  120. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    A busy day for El Guava: Redtweeter’s big day out

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  121. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Couldn’t have been Reddy, DVM. The report refers to a middle-aged man and I’m pretty sure Reddy is a teenager.

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  122. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Disgusted to see a paedophile protector, Mr Ed, and an effeminate loser greasing around young children in their quest for power. Keep out of Palmerston North, they have had enough of your evil and foul doctrine.

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  123. muggins (3,341 comments) says:

    It would appear there are no burglary statistics by race, even though someone posted earlier that there were more white burglars than Maori burglars.
    Just sayin’.

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  124. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I saw a man outside Parliament this evening holding an interesting sign:
    ‘Repeal the law of homosexual marriage or Wellington will be destroyed as Sodom and Gomorrah’

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  125. SPC (5,544 comments) says:

    Saudi Arabia declares all atheists terrorists.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11230837

    I am sure all deists and agnostics will welcome the former atheists into their refuge.

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  126. nasska (11,131 comments) says:

    Future civilisations will read ancient accounts about an innocent public servant ‘mikenmild’ who was turned into a pillar of salt when riding the 4.37pm Hutt train out of Wellington. :)

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  127. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    No nasska, when I leave Wellington I never look back.

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  128. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The memory and lingering fear of medusa cross harpy Hellien does that to some MM.

    And the weather is shit in Wellington

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  129. Lance (2,620 comments) says:

    Was just watching TV One News

    Was that Redbaiter yelling at Cunliffe and giving him the fingers?

    It was very entertaining anyway

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  130. SPC (5,544 comments) says:

    Americans find out, once again, that their government is spying on them in breach of US law.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/01/nsa-surveillance-loophole-americans-data

    Imagine the difficulty being a patriot in such a country?

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  131. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Uglynut

    “If you want to claim that false flags are not as extensive as I would have you believe, then what evidence do you have to support your position?”

    What credible evidence do you have they are beyond your usual whackjob sources?

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  132. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    UglyTruth (2,639 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    I cited the classic Operation Northwoods as a classical false flag proposal to invade Cuba that US intelligence presented to President Kennedy but which he flatly rejected.
    9/11 Truthers have tried to capitalize on this and present this as evidence of a 9/11 false flag attack by the US Government.They forget it was made publicly available both off and on line prior to the 9/11 attacks.
    Nothing to hide there.

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  133. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    SPC,

    “Imagine the difficulty being a patriot in such a country?”

    I agree it is not good, but large numbers of countries do it beside the US. China and Russia come to mind, as do some other Western countries.

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  134. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    I’ll make deal. I promise to not mention religion for the next five GD threads if we could also have a break from climate change. :)

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  135. Reid (16,202 comments) says:

    http://jamesperloff.com/2014/03/29/the-korean-war-another-conflict-that-served-the-illuminati-agenda/

    But we can have no illusions. The backstage Illuminists controlling the American government had no intention of “fighting communism.” General Douglas MacArthur, commander of the UN forces, learned this the hard way. MacArthur not only succeeded in repelling the North Korean invasion, but – following his soldier’s instincts – he pursued victory, and liberated North Korea from communism nearly all the way to the Yalu River, which marks the border of China. At this point, Red China poured its troops into the conflict. MacArthur ordered the Yalu’s bridges bombed to keep the Chinese out, but within hours his order was countermanded by the Secretary of Defense, General George Marshall.

    Marshall was the CFR’s military shill, a Judas in 5-star shoulder boards. He had betrayed the men of Pearl Harbor by withholding his foreknowledge of the 1941 attack; from 1945 to 1949 he had, as “special envoy” to China and then Secretary of State, helped condemn millions of Chinese to death through his manipulations on behalf of the Communists. Now as Secretary of Defense, he once again served as the Communists’ confederate by chaining GIs with the new concept of “limited war.” Victory had become an anachronism, replaced by “containment,” the idea originated in the famous “Mr. X” article in Foreign Affairs. Senator Joe McCarthy saw right through Marshall, condemning him in his 1951 book America’s Retreat from Victory: The Story of George Catlett Marshall. Predictably, McCarthy wound up dead and “disgraced,” while Marshall was awarded the 1953 Nobel Peace Prize.

    General MacArthur said of Marshall’s order to leave the Yalu bridges alone – which cost thousands of GIs their lives – “I realized for the first time that I had actually been denied the use of my full military power to safeguard the lives of my soldiers and the safety of my army. To me, it clearly foreshadowed a future tragic situation in Korea, and left me with a sense of inexpressible shock.” MacArthur was soon dismissed from command in Korea. Like Patton, he was expendable once he had served his purposes…

    …Perhaps the greatest irony of all: the Soviet Union could have prevented the UN action in Korea simply by exercising its veto power as a member of the Security Council. After all, Kim Il-sung was their puppet. However, on the day of the Korea vote, the Soviet delegation was absent. They were in the middle of a walkout they had staged over the failure of the UN to seat Red China. UN Secretary General Trygve Lie expressly invited Jacob Malik, Soviet Ambassador to the UN, to attend the Korea vote, but he declined. Establishment historians refer to this as a “Soviet blunder.” But politicians rarely blunder. If Malik (died 1980) had really goofed, Stalin would have had him nailed to a board.

    The Korean War was not about victory on either side. It was about validating the UN as “peacekeeper.”

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  136. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    this is an excellent article defining what is a false flag op with plenty of background information plus the myth and reality of Operation Nortwoods , 9/11and unbelievably Sandy Nook false fag allegations etc

    http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/21/false-flag-attacks-myth-and-reality/

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  137. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    9/11 was not a false flag operation. There is zero credible evidence beyond Uglynuts reptilian shapeshifting web sites.

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  138. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “The backstage Illuminists controlling the American government ”

    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

    Twit.

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  139. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “The memory and lingering fear of medusa cross harpy Hellien does that to some MM.”

    I was trying to forget her/him/it.

    *shudder*

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  140. SPC (5,544 comments) says:

    Reid, maybe if someone had signalled to the Chinese, that the US forces would not go within x number of miles of the Yalu River as they advanced north there would have been no entry by the Chinese into the battle? Of course if MacArthur had wanted to engage with the commies of China …

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  141. SPC (5,544 comments) says:

    ShawnLH, there is evidence that reptilian shapeshifters exist.

    Just look at a photo or video of a snake swallowing its food.

    In human geography just look at how lines on the map have changed over past centuries/thousands of years – the metaphor imperial beast (swallowing up nations and regions) sums this up.

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  142. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Fascinating Reid, I had thought James Perloff was mainly a creationist, but I now see he’s into all sorts of other bat-shit crazy stuff.

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  143. Judith (8,532 comments) says:

    @ muggins (2,887 comments) says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    It would appear that someone such as yourself that has spent a great deal of time trying to convince everyone you come across on the web that you are some sort of super sleuth, should be able to find these yourself if you wanted them.

    If you can’t find them, then clearly you aren’t what you think you are. :-) But then, misrepresentation and you, tend to go hand in hand. Have a nice evening … ;-)

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  144. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    nursey front up with the stats or use mine.

    property offenses is the best I can find and its the bros who win the race.

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  145. nasska (11,131 comments) says:

    Locally, at least anecdotally, it seems that burglary is not a crime that Maori specialise in. The average arsehole who goes through your house is usually a skinny, tattoo covered pakeha freak dressed in black with a shaved head, who meets with his queer mates every morning at the chemists for a drink of methadone. Frequently found shacked up with younger solo mothers who are on the game.

    It is normally a long time since any of them have heard the expression, “here’s your wage slip”.

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  146. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Why should ethnicity even be an issue? Criminals are criminals. Who cares what color their skin is?

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  147. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I cited the classic Operation Northwoods as a classical false flag proposal to invade Cuba that US intelligence presented to President Kennedy but which he flatly rejected.
    9/11 Truthers have tried to capitalize on this and present this as evidence of a 9/11 false flag attack by the US Government.They forget it was made publicly available both off and on line prior to the 9/11 attacks.
    Nothing to hide there.

    So what’s your point?

    Remember, you said that I completely ignored the points that you raised in the first instance. You haven’t show how I’ve ignored anything, you’ve only diverted with irrelevancies.

    How is your argument relevant to the reference to John Kerry by the Turkish conspirators, who were talking as if they had to get their false flag strategy approved by the US first?

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  148. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    YELLEN: FED STIMULUS WAS A GIFT FOR THE RICH

    Published on Apr 1, 2014

    In today’s video, Fabian Calvo of AMTV reports on the criminal Federal Reserve.
    http://www.amtvmedia.com/re-direct-ye

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  149. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    9/11 was not a false flag operation. There is zero credible evidence beyond Uglynuts reptilian shapeshifting web sites.

    Well that’s convincing. A known liar denying the simplest explanation for foreknowledge, forensic evidence, and coverup.

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  150. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    The local neighbour hood watch
    Caught a whole family of maori .3 generations. Robbing the place across the road.
    Youngster the driver
    Old man the lookout
    And the proud forty-year old, just Three months out of jail for burg doing the job.
    Needles to say he was not out long.

    It depends on the numbers local and their culture.
    They are not all feral .
    Lots of the honorable ones I have known leave for Ozzie to escape the broness of it all

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  151. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    You have no evidence Uglynut. Your sources are not credible. You and Reid are not credible. I can dismiss the claim out of hand just by looking at the nuts who promote it.

    The fact is I have read all this so-called evidence, all of which has been comprehensively destroyed. It’s mindless crap for mindless nuts.

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  152. Andrei (2,545 comments) says:

    It’s mindless crap for mindless nuts.

    Well given the silly shit you post I’d say “pot meet kettle”.

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  153. nasska (11,131 comments) says:

    ….”Lots of the honorable ones I have known leave for Ozzie to escape the broness of it all”….

    Much of what they are escaping is the “whanau” thing Griff. Any Maori who succeeds is a sitter for all his bludging cussies to freeload off the poor bugger.

    The workers find themselves in the same position as a crab escaping from a bucket…..their relies will reach up & pull them back into the pail.

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  154. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Well you would Andrei, but your silly shit is just mindless Kremlin propaganda defending Russian aggression against it’s neighbors.

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  155. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    U T, there is no evidence that John Kerry is at all involved in this , the Turkish intelligence officials/ operators comments notwithstanding.
    Its a discussion about possibilities, could be’s and maybe’s .
    Show me the evidence that the Secretary of Sate is actually been briefed . has an actual hand in and is implementing this proposal.?
    It’s all highly speculative, to me .
    The problem with you is that you see , like most other CTers, false flags everywhere behind every major event or tragedy- 9/11, Sandy Nook, Boson Marathon,Benghazi, Crimea,.You name it and its there sinister , lurking underneath
    But curiously, of course, not by Putin or al Assad etc.

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  156. Andrei (2,545 comments) says:

    This was funny Shawn you might like it

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  157. Andrei (2,545 comments) says:

    LOL two down ticks before the video could have possibly been watched – 2 people with utterly closed minds who just can’t bear the truth or face it :)

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  158. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “The problem with you is that you see , like most other CTers, false flags everywhere behind every major event or tragedy- 9/11, Sandy Nook, Boson Marathon,Benghazi, Crimea,.You name it and its there sinister , lurking underneath
    But curiously, of course, not by Putin or al Assad etc.”

    Spot on again stephieboy. The double standards of Uglynut and Reid are obvious. Reid tried to substantiate his claim that Israel is the most evil country on earth by showing pictures of the result of an Israeli operation against Hamas. When I posted far more horrific photos of what the Russians did in Chechnya against women and children he didn’t want to know.

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  159. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    [2012] Noah’s Ark Has Been Found!

    ” THY WORD IS TRUTH “. JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE

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  160. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    U T, there is no evidence that John Kerry is at all involved in this

    The evidence is that the Turkish conspirators were talking as if they had to get their false flag strategy approved by the US secretary of state, i.e. John Kerry

    From the transcript:

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: Hakan, as you said, if what you mean is a lack of strategy in fabricating a justification, you are right. Against these men…

    An officer: Sir, without that happening-

    Ahmet Davutoğlu: Yes, we will pass on to that okay take it and I am coming. You cannot say to the US Secretary of State, “we need to take strong measures.”

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  161. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “2 people with utterly closed minds who just can’t bear the truth or face it”

    Kinda like watching one video out of a playlist and using that as a convenient excuse not to bother with the others?

    Pot. Kettle. Black. :)

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  162. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Debunking 911 conspiracies:

    http://www.debunking911.com/

    Six really stupid 9/11 conspiracies debunked in about six seconds:

    “PSYCHOLOGISTS will tell you that even perfectly sane people have the ability to accept wild conspiracy theories. The more powerless or alone we feel, the more likely we are to develop such theories. It’s all linked to self-esteem. If you’re the sort of person who feels isolated or disenfranchised, you’re much more likely to develop wild theories as a way of making you seem more knowledgeable, more powerful, more special.”

    http://www.news.com.au/world/six-really-stupid-911-conspiracies-debunked-in-about-six-seconds/story-fndir2ev-1226717737311

    “If you’re the sort of person who feels isolated or disenfranchised, you’re much more likely to develop wild theories as a way of making you seem more knowledgeable, more powerful, more special.”

    Yup! that sounds like a perfect description of Uglynut and Reid. :)

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  163. nasska (11,131 comments) says:

    After watching sales falling off for three straight months at Kentucky
    Fried Chicken, the Colonel calls up the Pope and asks for a favor. The
    Pope says, “What can I do? “The Colonel says, “I need you to change the
    daily prayer from, ‘Give us this day our daily bread’ to ‘Give us this
    day our daily chicken’. If you do it, I’ll donate 10 Million Dollars to
    the Vatican.”

    The Pope replies, “I am sorry. That is the Lord’s prayer and I can not
    change the words.” So the Colonel hangs up.

    After another month of dismal sales, the Colonel panics, and calls
    again.

    “Listen your Excellency. I really need your help. I’ll donate $50
    million dollars if you change the words of the daily prayer from ‘Give
    us this day our daily bread’ to ‘Give us this day our daily chicken.'”

    And the Pope responds, “It is very tempting, Colonel Sanders. The church
    could do a lot of good with that much money. It would help us to support
    many charities. But, again, I must decline. It is the Lord’s prayer, and
    I can’t change the words.”

    So the Colonel gives up again. After two more months of terrible sales.
    The Colonel gets desperate. “This is my final offer, your Excellency. If
    you change the words of the daily prayer from, ‘Give us this day our
    daily bread’ to ‘Give us this day our daily chicken’ I will donate $100
    million to the Vatican.” The Pope replies, “Let me get back to you.”

    So the next day, the Pope calls together all of his cardinals and he says,
    “I have some good news and I have some bad news. The good news is that
    KFC is going to donate $100 million to the Vatican.”

    The cardinals rejoice at the news. Then one asks about the bad news.

    The Pope replies, “The bad news is that we lost the Wonder Bread
    account.”

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  164. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I reckon that story’s bogus, nasska. Colonel Sanders would call the Pope “Your Holiness”, not “Your Excellency”.

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  165. nasska (11,131 comments) says:

    Seemed a bit fishy to me too Mike but I thought I’d run it up the pole & get another opinion. :)

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  166. Reid (16,202 comments) says:

    Six really stupid 9/11 conspiracies debunked in about six seconds:

    Except I looked at one of the section chosen at random, the freefall, and saw this.

    http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

    In every photo and every video, you can see columns far outpacing the collapse of the building. Not only are the columns falling faster than the building but they are also falling faster than the debris cloud which is ALSO falling faster than the building. This proves the buildings fell well below free fall speed. That is, unless the beams had a rocket pointed to the ground.

    Just look at any video you like and watch the perimeter columns.

    The only problem is, the towers weren’t supported from the outside, they were supported from a very strong central core. The photos show the outer walls, which weren’t structural. Propaganda, in other words.

    Debunking site debunked, in 1 second.

    Of course Shawn doesn’t realise his site is useless, because the galloping mental is so desperately keen to avoid the sore tummy, he’ll take any port in a storm, no matter how fragile, even one that pretends the towers weren’t designed the way they actually were, relying of course on the naivety of the avid reader whose desperate not to know the evidence but simply wants to avoid a sore tummy, not that they know that as they’re reading it and not that they even to worry about it, since in their childish minds, it couldn’t be true anyway, so why bother with facts?

    To people other than Shawn since there’s no point talking to him about anything, debunking sites, like this one, usually pretend to address the actual arguments but they never do. They appear to but you’re often fooled, like Shawn has just been, if you don’t know the real arguments by looking at the real sites.

    Anyway, we were talking about Turkey’s false flag, weren’t we. So have people seen the youtube of the conversation?

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  167. Reid (16,202 comments) says:

    http://rt.com/news/turkey-syria-phone-leak-861/

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  168. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Melley seeks to explain why conspiracy theories and paranoia have become so pervasive in American culture in recent decades. He discusses some of the paranoia behind our obsessions with political assassinations, gender and race relations, stalkers, mind control, bureaucracies, and the power of corporations and governments.

    Melley proposes that conspiracy thinking arises from a combination of two factors, when someone: 1) holds strong individualist values and 2) lacks a sense of control. The first attribute refers to people who care deeply about an individual’s right to make their own choices and direct their own lives without interference or obligations to a larger system (like the government). But combine this with a sense of powerlessness in one’s own life, and you get what Melley calls agency panic, “intense anxiety about an apparent loss of autonomy” to outside forces or regulators.

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/200809/paranoia-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories

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  169. nasska (11,131 comments) says:

    Com’on Shawn….you’ve been licking the dayroom windows for nearly an hour now.

    What do you reckon about Reid’s comment? Is he right? :)

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  170. Reid (16,202 comments) says:

    http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/31/the-line-to-kiss-sheldon-adelsons-boots/

    and

    http://tomatobubble.com/sheldon_adelson.html

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  171. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Ried is too often half right.

    To close for comfort sometimes.

    he’s mad but wise.

    I have learnt to keep an eye on what he posts.

    :lol:

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  172. Reid (16,202 comments) says:

    Melley seeks to explain why conspiracy theories and paranoia have become so pervasive in American culture in recent decades

    I wonder if it occurred to him to ask himself whether the reason is because people are waking up. Remember that the people behind all these conspiwacies have convinced more than half the world that there’s this mythical boogeyman called AGW just lurking out there. So why wouldn’t they also put out myths from even more people in white coats to say things like this, as well? I mean everyone knows right that the words conspiwacy theowy was a meme propagated in the 1950’s by the CIA. To setup a pavlovian reaction amongst the population as soon as those words were mentioned. You all know that, right?

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  173. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Must…not …..rise …to ….bait….

    :lol:

    Not tonight love.

    Some times the constant ongonig insanity gets to me

    How the smeg do you Normie’s cope

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  174. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “What do you reckon about Reid’s comment? Is he right?”

    No. The twin towers used a redundancy system that included the outside support. That is Reids first mistake. The central core was not solid, but had stairwells and elevators within, meaning given the the temp of the fires, the collapsing floors, and the failure of the outer support, the central core was unable to cope.

    Statements from structural and civil engineers against controlled demolition:

    http://www.debunking911.com/civil.htm

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  175. David Garrett (6,969 comments) says:

    Totally off topic…is anyone getting messages from your antivirus program to the effect that it is blocking various ISP addresses whenever you log into KB??

    Each time I open KB I am getting dozens of such messages…

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  176. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Question: What does Reid do for a living?

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  177. nasska (11,131 comments) says:

    No messages here DG….I just tried.

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  178. nasska (11,131 comments) says:

    ….”Question: What does Reid do for a living?”….

    SIS (deep cover). :)

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  179. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The central core was not solid, but had stairwells and elevators within, meaning given the the temp of the fires, the collapsing floors, and the failure of the outer support, the central core was unable to cope.

    Seriously hot fires which could melt steel, like nanothermite or micronukes.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/rubblefires.html

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  180. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    I’m not getting any messages from my antivirus DG.

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  181. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    you tube clips links loading?

    Start point gd or home or elsewhere ?

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  182. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    I’m going to go out on a limb and assume neither Uglynut or Reid have degrees in structural engineering.

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  183. SGA (983 comments) says:

    I suspect that Reid is secretly a very wealthy successful author – I just can’t work out if he’s Ludlum or Brown. Kiwiblog is where he tests his ideas.

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  184. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    I’m going to go out on a limb and assume neither Uglynut or Reid have degrees in structural engineering.

    You don’t need a degree in structural engineering to know that jet fuel and office fires won’t result in 700 degree hotspots after 4 days.

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  185. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Reid.

    Part time ray gun manufacture r&d towards intercontental cababilitys . and semi retired international trouble shooting Igor.

    http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/index.php/Igor

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  186. Reid (16,202 comments) says:

    No. The twin towers used a redundancy system that included the outside support.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?espv=210&es_sm=93&biw=1422&bih=1067&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=images+twin+towers+construction+central+columns&oq=images+twin+towers+construction+central+columns&gs_l=img.3…166509.169768.0.169995.16.16.0.0.0.0.196.1188.11j4.15.0….0…1c.1.39.img..16.0.0.xe3fMBv7uZg

    Debunked again Shawn.

    What does Reid do for a living?

    I work for the RAND Corporation.

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  187. wat dabney (3,755 comments) says:

    “Reid” is not one person. It is the online persona of an Illuminati AI program that went horribly awry when it accidentaly accessed a top-secret database that revealed 911 was in fact enacted by militant Muslims after all. In fact the whole crazy 911 government conspiracy story was a double-bluff spread by the Illuminati Masters to the lower minions in order to ensure their loyalty. So, as it turns out, only the very highest Illuminati and the entire rest of the world’s population know the real truth. It’s just the Illuminati middle and lower ranks that believe the concocted conspiracy theory.

    Hang on, there’s someone at the door…

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  188. nasska (11,131 comments) says:

    Poor Wat….they’ve got him. :)

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  189. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Anal probe time

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  190. SGA (983 comments) says:

    griffith at 9:20 pm

    … r&d towards intercontental cababilitys …

    a field in urgent need of r&d, as you’d all agree.

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  191. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    RAND Corporation (Research ANd Development[2]) is a nonprofit global policy think tank formed to offer research and analysis to the United States armed forces by Douglas Aircraft Company. It is financed by the U.S. government.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm……………………………………………………..

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  192. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    You work for a US government funded group that most lefties consider a major player in US imperialism?

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………………………………..

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  193. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    f.ing spell check and f.ing mouse from apple

    Stupid One button mouse with no scroll wheel.

    crapy cobbled together system with crap ex teenager laptop ex lease screen and three modems- five power supplys to get to on the web

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  194. Reid (16,202 comments) says:

    You don’t need a degree in structural engineering to know that jet fuel and office fires won’t result in 700 degree hotspots after 4 days.

    Or that when this happened, that somehow as if by magick, it didn’t collapse into its own footprint at the speed of freefall in the process transforming most of its mass into dust which BTW if it had, would have violated the laws of momentum, physics and those of thermodynamics.

    But thankfully all those little things were apparently working OK that day in Spain, so there wasn’t much to see, then, that particular day.

    What a relief.

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  195. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    So neither Uglynut or Reid have any expertise in structural engineering, and Reid’s employment may well be a fib….

    Not credible.

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  196. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Griff, make the switch to windows PC’s!

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  197. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    The Windsor Tower, Madrid fire

    http://www.debunking911.com/madrid.htm

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  198. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    Not credible.

    Who cares what you think is credible? Anyone with a functional brain can work out that the mainstream narrative is a lie.

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  199. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Book learning is someone else thinking for you.

    Many things can be deduced from logic and rational thought.

    Often the comments on a blog illuminate the thinking of the clique more than the authors posts do.

    meme
    miːm/
    noun
    noun: meme; plural noun: memes

    1.
    an element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.
    2.
    an image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by Internet users, often with slight variations.

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  200. Reid (16,202 comments) says:

    Anyone with a functional brain can work out that the mainstream narrative is a lie.

    You’ve fingered the main problem there UT.

    Reid’s employment may well be a fib….

    Careful Shawn. Look what just happened to Wat.

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  201. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “Anyone with a functional brain can work out that the mainstream narrative is a lie.”

    You post videos claiming a reptilian shapeshifter conspiracy and claims Queen Elisabeth makes children disappear.

    I don’t think ‘functional brain’ is a valid description of your thought processes.

    Batshit crazy would be a better description.

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  202. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    Not credible UT.?
    Why exactly.?
    From the link Shawn posted,

    This fire is one of the fires Conspiracy theorist like to point to when talking about high raise office fires. This fire lasted 26 hours. But what they don’t tell you is that the first collapse happened only 2 hours and 30 minutes after the fire began. But why didn’t the building fall completely? It was on fire for 26 hours. The answer is very simple. The building were constructed very differently than the WTC. Reinforced concrete was used in the core and under the 17th floor. Below are detailed descriptions of how the Madrid tower was constructed and the reason for it not collapsing…”….

    Do take the trouble and read on. The Madrid Tower was constructed very differently from the WTC towers. Basic really

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  203. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Is pc based intel
    is dual core
    1.5 gig ram

    Too much crap already loaded for vista to cope not enough memory and to slow processer.

    tempted to partition and boot into ubuntu.

    It runs heaps faster on legacy hardware and gives billy micro soft the bird.

    and frrrreeee…

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  204. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    Vista?????

    There’s your prob right there. Terrible, terrible OS. Ubuntu is much better.

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  205. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    griff:”Book learning is someone else thinking for you.”

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  206. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    I think you misheard him ShawnLH, he said Fister

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  207. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    Meh

    Read news from all perspective. The web is magic for knowledge.
    provided you have viable critical thinking skills.

    I readed like a reading thing for years.

    vocab 20+ at ten.
    Speed_ reading at the same age
    autodidactic,

    Eidetic
    Untill I made it like more a normies by smoking lots of da weed.

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  208. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    You post videos claiming a reptilian shapeshifter conspiracy and claims Queen Elisabeth makes children disappear.

    Still can’t tell the truth about anything important, can you?

    The videos do not claim anything, what they do is show anomalies which could be described as shapeshifting. The videos say nothing about a conspiracy.

    David Icke’s description of a conspiracy involving reptilian shapeshifters is extraordinary. But then, we live in extraordinary times: conspiracy to start war, a disappearing airliner, unexplained embassy closures, MSM misreporting of treason, and evidence of recent extraterrestrial arrivals. In this context the idea that predatory aliens also exist here isn’t that far fetched.

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  209. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    UT, err a typically bit short on supporting facts and evidence but lets begin with your “extraordinary “evidence of recent extraterrestrial arrivals.??

    ‘Despite Icke’s craziness, at least he has denounced the Christian patriot movement in the United States. He has stated that he does not know which world is more undesirable in his view; the one wanted by the New World Order or the one in which the American conspiratorial right wish to replace it with. This has put him at odds with other conspiracy theorists such as Mark Dice and Alex Jones. Icke also encourages people to be skeptical of religious fundamentalism in general, but just not of his crazy ideas.”

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke

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  210. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

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  211. stephieboy (2,672 comments) says:

    UT,

    Fake UFO Pictures and Video Tutorial,

    Ten best hoax UFO videos on You Tube,

    http://mashable.com/2010/06/22/best-ufo-videos/

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  212. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

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  213. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “The videos do not claim anything, what they do is show anomalies which could be described as shapeshifting. ”

    The fact that videos are easily doctored does not seem to occur to you. Your gullibility is showing.

    “But then, we live in extraordinary times”

    No we don’t. Some people need to believe this to make themselves feel special. The truth is our times are not much different to any other.

    The fact that bad things happen needs no explanation other than the obvious, that human beings do bad things. Global conspiracy theories are not needed, except by those who either need to make themselves feel special, or who have an ulterior motive, such as anti-Americanism.

    All global conspiracies are based on a flawed premise. That large numbers of people can keep a secret. That governments are so all-powerful and effective that they can manage such secrets and macro-manage the conspiracy. That is not credible. Governments are notoriously ineffective and have major problems keeping anything secret.

    The 911 false flag conspiracy is ludicrous on so many fronts that only the gullible swallow it.

    And of course there is one major hole in it that CT’ers don’t seem to get. That senior members of al-Qaeda have admitted they planned it and carried it out.

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  214. griffith (1,111 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MkFL4TDzQg

    http://www.bobdylan.com/us/music/hard-rain

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  215. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “UT, err a typically bit short on supporting facts and evidence”

    That’s because he has none.

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  216. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The fact that videos are easily doctored does not seem to occur to you. Your gullibility is showing.

    Similar anomalies can be found in MSM photographs. Your deceit is obvious.

    The truth is our times are not much different to any other.

    Recent unprecedented events:

    March 8: The disappearance of an airliner with no indications of hijack or weather issues.
    March 10: Video from the ISS of what appears to be an armada of spaceships.
    March 23: The closure of all Zionist embassies.

    Recently reported:

    An Ebola outbreak spread over hundred of kilometers.
    A political fight between the CIA and the US Congress over the use of torture.

    Global conspiracy theories are not needed

    Theories are based on facts and reason, not need.

    All global conspiracies are based on a flawed premise. That large numbers of people can keep a secret.

    Any group of any size can keep a secret for a short amount of time.

    The 911 false flag conspiracy is ludicrous on so many fronts that only the gullible swallow it.

    So explain fuel how aviatian fuel and office fires resulted in 700 degree hotspots days after the towers collapsed, shithead.

    That senior members of al-Qaeda have admitted they planned it and carried it out.

    Al-Qaeda was the product of US intervention in Afghanistan from before the Russian invasion.
    http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/

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  217. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    “UT, err a typically bit short on supporting facts and evidence”

    That’s because he has none.

    Hey, it’s Shawn the liar and Stevie the idiot, the noise team from hell.
    Funny how you two goons turned up at about the same time.

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  218. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “Al-Qaeda was the product of US intervention in Afghanistan from before the Russian invasion.”

    Oh dear….

    The Mujahideen and al-Qaeda are not the same thing. Osama bin Laden himself is on record saying that they never received any support from the US.

    And your quoting Jimmy Carter……nuff said.

    “Any group of any size can keep a secret for a short amount of time.”

    How long ago was the supposed Roswell incident? Or the assassination of JFK?

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  219. ShawnLH (4,481 comments) says:

    “March 10: Video from the ISS of what appears to be an armada of spaceships.”

    Are you on some kind of medication?

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