Labour hits the 20s during “National’s worst week”

May 14th, 2014 at 6:56 am by David Farrar

Commentators called last week National’s worst week since the election. Stuff today have published a Stuff.co.nz/Ipsos poll that was conducted from Saturday until Monday, immediately at the end of what was called National’s worst week.

I’ve blogged the results at Curiablog, which show National at 48%, Labour dipping below 30% and David Cunliffe dropping 3.9% as Preferred Prime Minister.

Grant Robertson will be a happy man. He only has 129 days to wait until he can become Labour Party Leader!

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125 Responses to “Labour hits the 20s during “National’s worst week””

  1. Nukuleka (327 comments) says:

    Grant and Alf- New Zealand’s Labour Party First Family! That will have Big Norm turning in his grave.

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  2. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    Long way to go yet. Plenty more lies and false promises and bidding for lofo votes to come from the left, but they sure are struggling! John Key simply needs to point out to voters the actual situation Australia has gotten itself into, as an illustration of where we will end up under a coalition of losers (arguably we’d be in a worse situation)

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  3. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    LOL :)

    I wonder if this is the lead story on Radio NZ ?

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  4. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Id say itd be even lower after at home with the leaders on monday night

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  5. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Why have Radio NZ and Newstalkzb not informed us of this disturbing news for “Tojo” the congenital liar? It is relaxing to see decent Kiwis don’t want a bar of this charlatan and his party of envious, deviant leeches. It will be interesting to see how the reaming room and tax dodger/terrorist supporter leaders take this!

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  6. redqueen (563 comments) says:

    The point is that this ‘worst week’ is based on two ‘themes’ which aren’t necessarily striking a chord with actual people (rather than lefty politicians). Trying to make out fundraising as corruption (the PM showed up to a paid dinner, let’s start to panic!) is just an MSM ‘let’s try to create controversy’ farce. Then you get these incessant attacks on Collins, which really just makes out the Opposition to be a bunch of whingeing bullies. That culminates, yesterday, with the ‘grand stroke’ (as Winnie apparently thought it would be) of trying to nail someone on reasonably boring paperwork (something which Winnie himself isn’t a saint on). As a voter, who bloody cares? We’ve got real issues to deal with in this country, such as continuing to improve our economy, not blowing out the housing market again, and making sure that we return to a surplus…and this is what the left think is worth showcasing?

    So the ‘worst week’ is just an example of the media being…a bunch of chardonnay-swilling socialist numpties, who just want to try and make the Government look bad. Mercifully, it appears the general public isn’t biting (yet?).

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  7. Simon (725 comments) says:

    For all leftards out there. Your Emperor isn’t wearing any clothes.

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  8. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Whoa just heard Nick Smith on Marcus Lushs program, he was absolute shocking, he was being arrogant and obtuse, so National better watch they dont become arrogant

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  9. kaykaybee (152 comments) says:

    @redqueen. Good analysis of the current public sentiment. People only need talk to anyone of the 500,000 kiwis across the Tasman to see the way in which ‘policy from polling results gift basket’, Union dominated, spend up large governance impacted on a thriving economy and to know that is precisely what the alternative here is. Our outcome will be worse of course as we will get the addition of the impractical and fiscally illiterate Greens, Mana etc.
    I only hope sanity prevails.

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  10. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    Martinh

    Nick Smith’s attitude on Lush’s show reflects his distaste for Lush who is a left footer. Incidentally I gather this show rates about 25- 30% maximum of Newstalk ZB’s Mike Hosking show even after many years to ‘bed in’ and huge amounts of $$ spent on it.

    Mediaworks have yet to figure out that pushing a clear left wing or liberal ‘wine track’ (love that analogy!) agenda through a lot of its product from Campbell Live to Willy Jackson to former host Wallace Chapman to that godawful Bryan Bruce ‘documentary’ on ‘poverty’ does not endear the network to mainstream New Zealanders and therefore advertising revenue.

    Joyce should have let the organisation sink. Why would you leave sugar next to a wasp’s nest?

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  11. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Duggle.
    I thought Lush asked some fair questions that didnt deserve the obtuse response from him.
    Nick lost it.
    To me the measure of a good minister is someone who can handle in a reasonable way those he doesnt agree with.
    Key does that very well and mostly he doesnt do it in a disrespectful way. What i heard from Smith today is why hes never progressed up to the top of the party and why he will probably end up following out Tony Ryall soon.
    It was the Nick SMith who obviously has some kind of emotional problem which has seen him leave the arena a few times before. I think National need to be careful with him, he did a Judith this morning. I want National to not need Winston and this tirade of Nick today can do damage to that being achieved.
    As for Hosking and newstalk zb, generations have grown up on newstalk zb so im not surprised hosking does well there, and hosking truely sounds like a jafa too

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  12. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    “and hosking truely sounds like a jafa too”

    Small town envy martinh ?

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  13. Pete George (23,574 comments) says:

    While National are looking strong at 47.6% they will almost certainly need assistance to form the next Government.

    Winston Peters looks to be struggling more week by week. His performance in Parliament yesterday was embarrassing, and even his NZ First MPs looked pained.

    Is Peters up to holding the balance of power?

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  14. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Big Bruv
    Dont know, i live in Auckland, but im not from Auckland,
    i can just tell a born and bred Jafa a mile away

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  15. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Pete
    No, i heard whaleoil make an insinuation a whle ago that he sounded like he had had a stroke.
    After yesterday and a few other things it makes me think hes far past it

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  16. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Speaking of Winston, his appearance this morning on TV One did nothing to help. He still slurred his speech, he looked like he has had a huge night on the booze.

    On another issue though, can anybody confirm if they serve booze in the Green room at TVNZ?

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  17. RF (1,399 comments) says:

    Great to wake up to good news concerning the polls. Watched cunliffe’s at home on Monday. Thought his wife presented as a greenie who obviously wears the trousers. As for cunliffe he was out of his depth and appeared like a little boy lost. Not a good look for someone wanting to be PM. Not that he will ever be one

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  18. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    martinh

    Fair enough. Although there is nothing wrong with being a Jafa. Let’s face it, Auckland is where it is all happening, the rest of NZ is simply a collection of small rural towns trying hard to be Auckland and failing miserably.

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  19. SW (240 comments) says:

    Is this poll more reliable than Roy Morgan?

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  20. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    big bruv
    yeah he looks 100 now
    hed make a great anti smoking advert

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  21. altiora (279 comments) says:

    Wonder if a contributing factor to the poll result was Campbell Live’s cringeinducingly awkward “At home with the Cunliffes”. I am contemplating watching it again to see if I didn’t dream it up. Truly horrible TV. And does Cunliffe really think that a man with a beehive, looks credible when he pops out to the fish’n’chippy for dinner?

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  22. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    altiora
    i would to get away from that wife, she was unable to relax unlike the keys

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  23. duggledog (1,558 comments) says:

    Martinh

    Agreed, but I don’t think ZB’s success relies simply on the fact it’s been there for ages. It had been there for ages when they replaced Merv Smith with Holmes, and their ratings went right through the floor from memory. #1 rule in any business, find out where the most people are, broadcast or sell to them, maximise your market position etc

    Kind of like what National have done. And the Warehouse

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  24. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Peters was dreadful yesterday. His performance has been passed off as a dose of the flu, but you can’t help but wonder if there is something more serious going on. Yesterday, he looked as though he had suffered a minor stroke; his speech was slurred, he skin was an ominous shade of grey, and at times it looked as if he was having to hold on to his bench to steady himself.

    He looked a little more onto it this morning facially, but he still rambled on and on when Rawdon Christie asked if he had any more to come on Judith Collins, without actually going near the question. John Key looks to have called his bluff.

    I really do wonder though if he is up to the rigours of a torrid election campaign, and with Labour having stolen his ground on Chinese investors and immigrants, he can’t even play the xenophobia card any more. Perhaps this is the beginning of the end.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/is-winston-peters-past-it.html

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  25. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Big Bruv
    Yeah my parents are jafas but not i.
    I agree Aucklands where its at and is why the interest rates are going up and affecting everyone else out in the rural towns.
    Thats why im for the wellsford motorway to help the north and anything and everything to help lower house prices in auckland so those in the provinces arent getting affected by higher rates.
    I think Wgtn needs to be made a super city.
    I think Len Brown can get fuked getting the rest of the country to pay for his cbd loop, its going to move fuk all people, user pays can do it.
    The problem is what happens if AUckland slows now that milk prices are slowing….. I dont how mortgaged Aucklanders are going to be able to afford to keep their spending up, luckily im almost paid off but most people i know are still up to their eyeballs in it and needing mortgage holidays the moment any minor upset comes along.
    And yes i agree labour is mostly broadcasting to those lazy people who dont vote and probably dont deserve to and the minority of people who are unionists and have not become the new self employed/contractoring types

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  26. Colville (2,269 comments) says:

    Cunliffes wife is a Lawyer. Very few of that breed are human.

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  27. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Why the worry about Peters ? I am puzzled why the leader of such a minor party attracts so much comment from KB. Are you all frightened he will steal some of the Labour vote from you ?

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  28. wreck1080 (3,918 comments) says:

    I’ve predicted the demise of every recent labour contender although so have many others.

    Phil Goff was never going to get in due to no charisma.

    David Shearer? Forgettable.

    Cunliffe? Untrustworthy and faux friend of the poor.

    Grant Roberts — Really? Doesn’t have air of authority about him.

    People who I think might have had a chance include Shane Jones and maybe Andrew Little. But, only if party factions align too. And Shane, oops, too late.

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  29. Colville (2,269 comments) says:

    Kea.
    My fear of Peters is based on the fact that maybe 2 – 3% of the voters will swap over to him at the last minute like last election, drop Nat to 44% and leave Peters on 7%.

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  30. dishy (248 comments) says:

    I thought that last week was actually Labour’s worst week. It proved that they are bereft of properly-considered poilicies and that they don’t get how little appetite middle NZ has for desparate, hypocritical mudslinging. Their cronies in the media just drew attention to what losers they are.

    For the average Joe, taking care of business and working overtime, Labour and its grotesque allies must be as appealing as shit on your jandals.

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  31. Lindsay Addie (1,518 comments) says:

    The poll confirms what some of us knew anyway: the issues with Williamson and Collins are beltway issues only of interest to political junkies and NO ONE ELSE. The average voter only wants to hear about the real policy issues not tiresome point scoring by tipsy old worn out wig wearing pollies like Peters.

    It will be interesting to see if the ACT mob can a get bit more traction and what will Key do regarding the Conservatives who have 1.6% in this poll?

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  32. bringbackdemocracy (427 comments) says:

    This poll shows again that National need some “friends”
    Fairfax had the Conservatives at 1.0% at the last election, they actually got 2.7%
    In this poll Fairfax have the Conservatives at 1.6%. Higher than they were prior to the 2011 election.

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  33. lilman (960 comments) says:

    BLOODY HELL !!!!!, Just jammed fork in my eye,cant believe I agree with Kea.
    Shock setting in…………must get to cabinet……..better say a pray…..but which one?

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  34. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Colville
    Yeah thats my concern too.
    I think Winston helping portray himself as a feebling old codger is hopefully going to finish himself off.
    He seems well below 5% in todays stuff poll

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  35. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Lindsay
    I dont think they are beltway, its just Labour is so unappealing and so is Linda clark so its no where near enough to get voters to change their vote over

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  36. Paulus (2,628 comments) says:

    Biggest worry for Labour is the continuing loss of votes to Greens.

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  37. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    wreck 1080
    Andrew Little….?
    The guy typifies joe average to me and im not trying to be nasty at all.

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  38. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    better say a pray…..but which one?

    lilman, I am sure one of the regulars will help you with that. How’s the eye ? ;)

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  39. Lindsay Addie (1,518 comments) says:

    martinh,

    I agree with you re Labour being unappealing, they cannot seen to be able to take a trick due to Cunliffe and friends being politically inept and exhibiting no strategic thinking/planning skills whatsoever.

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  40. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  41. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Helen didn’t break a promise because she never made one – but Key did

    FFS !

    Once again Kea is forced to conclude women never should have got the vote.

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  42. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Talking of balls Judith!

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  43. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Lindsay
    Yeah Matt McCarten always seemed too extreme when on radio or in the herald.
    Cunliffe only strategic thinking is about himself, he just seems to be insincere when he tries to say he cares or knows how to fix things for people

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  44. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Why the worry about Peters ?

    Because some polls suggest that Peters’ party could hold the balance of power after the election Kea. And despite his protestations in 1996 that he wouldn’t get National in he did, and despite his protestations in 2005 that he wasn’t interested in the “baubles of power” he was, accepting the plumb role of Foreign Minister.

    Winston Peters is not a man of his word. But the Winston Peters of 2014 is a far cry from the brash young man of 1996, or the Foreign Minister of 2005. He is showing his age, his health is a worry, and to be frank, his party is an absolute rabble. Quite frankly, I don’t want him anywhere near Parliament after the election, let alone deciding who becomes Prime Minister.

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  45. Pongo (372 comments) says:

    Wonder how the countries best political analyst Paddy Gower will report on this one, he is truly hilarious with his predictions he should probably go work for treasury.
    Its a good poll for National but Cunliffe is polling below Shearer ! The change in their constitution is typical of the thinking of Labour, they now elect their leader at the behest of their quite nutty members and the unions which represent a tiny slither of public opinion. Worse though is that the unions now don’t need to donate as much cash to Labour for influence because they have given them enormous power regardless hence McCartens strategy to get state funding cos they are broke. It mirrors their policy releases, totally ill thought through with poor outcomes that DPF or Whale take about 5 minutes to point out.

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  46. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ wreck1080 (3,573 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 8:06 am

    I agree with your list, except for Shearer. I actually think David S may have grown into the roll with more experience. He is a guy that many New Zealanders can associate with – and has a certain amount of charisma, but he was too raw for the role when he took it – he would never had led Labour to a victory this year, but I think with a bit more exposure and practice, he could have been a real threat in the next election.

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  47. martinh (1,257 comments) says:

    Pongo
    Yeah good point
    Good thing Labour isnt in power and wont be too allow state funding to happen.
    Nothing better than seeing them run out, reap what they sow

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  48. tvb (4,425 comments) says:

    I thought Culiffe’s wife presented herself well. Yes she might run the home environment, as it should be but Cunliffe looked perfectly secure in that. They are a nice couple.

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  49. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ igm (996 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 8:31 am

    You may well laugh my friend, but other polls have shown an increase for NZ First. I understand when you are desperate to believe that National will make it on their own without the need for Peter’s, but it is looking more and more likely that will not be the case – and there is still much to come — like the return of Ms Collins to parliament for starters ;-) She has to come back, hiding her away so the truth doesn’t come out can only work for so long – and of course the longer it is done, the more suspicious it looks – New Zealanders aren’t stupid – and they are well used to detecting when they are being treated like it, after years of Helen. IT was that sort of thing that led to Helen’s demise, so it surprises me that Key thinks he can get away with it.

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  50. burt (8,274 comments) says:

    Is there still almost 30% of the population that have never noticed that Labour Party policies always end in recession ?

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  51. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ tvb (4,001 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 8:38 am

    Exactly, and that was the same thing that was portrayed in the Key household, that it was Mrs Key that made all the domestic decisions, and Key implying that he dare not interfere with that. I think we have a case of people seeing only what they want to see. Some of the less political blogs seem to think the Cunnliffe home life was ‘peachy’, I guess it depends on how many eyes one was watching with.

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  52. srylands (410 comments) says:

    If Winston were to be hit by a bus (or something) today, where would the 5.7% go? My guess is to the winds:

    .5% would stay at home
    1.5% would stay with NZ First under a new leader
    .5% to Conservative
    1.5% to Labour
    1% to National
    .7% to something else

    I know Labour will be praying that WP looks after himself a bit better in the next 5 months.

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  53. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Judith: By November Peters will be on less than 1.5% . . . he has, and never has had, anything to offer. He has shown he is a bauble sucker not giving a stuff for anyone other than himself, and hoodwinks those that are of a little below average intelligence with his whimsical satire.

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  54. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Kea its bad ,as you know I only had one eye to start with.

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  55. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock, yes but who else would the Nats team up with ? A less popular politician and lose the election ?

    Then you will face the horror of the Greens/Labour running the show.

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  56. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    SW 7:54 am

    Is this poll more reliable than Roy Morgan?

    I would say not. It was conducted over 3 days, 2 of which were the weekend. On weekends, older, wealthier people are more likely to be pottering around at home where they have access to their landlines, while younger less wealthy people are more likely to be at work or out doing things with their kids and therefore not contacted by the pollsters.

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  57. kaykaybee (152 comments) says:

    @judith. On current polling at best 94%, at worst 97% disagree on your Winston preference. The man is a train wreck. He mumbles, slurs and the structure of his language and his reasoning seems flawed and his research negligible.Recently he’s variously claimed Huka Lodge was sold to the Chinese (lie) and yesterday that he would personally take down Judith Collins with devastating claims of corruption. The latter was nothing more than the normal procedure that the Chinese Govt hosted her as a minister when she was there on official business. Perfectly normal and nothing to see or declare and that you can view Mr NO, Mr $158,000, Mr who is Owen Glenn, Mr Racing and Fishing industry shill as better than a sober, steady as she goes and sound John Key astounds me.

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  58. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ igm (997 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 8:49 am

    I think you are wrong there – your comment is more of a ‘wish’.

    Peters has much to offer this year – you seem not to realise that there are many people who are sick to death of Key, but like myself, don’t see a lot of viable alternatives

    Those people are looking at how they can vote in a manner that will ensure Key is kept honest and Winston appears to be the only person prepared to do that.

    We have seen what happens when Key cuddles up with ‘yes men’ like the Maori Party, Act and Dunne – and many are not impressed – the majority are still reporting in the polls that Key is not their man.

    A National/NZF coalition is just what this country deserves – it won’t last long but it will put Key down a peg or two – and there are many that think he needs to learn that lesson.

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  59. Pete George (23,574 comments) says:

    On weekends, older, wealthier people are more likely to be pottering around at home where they have access to their landlines, while younger less wealthy people are more likely to be at work or out doing things with their kids and therefore not contacted by the pollsters.

    But pollsters don’t just ask the first 1,000 people they call, they try to get a broad cross-section of demographics. I’ve been rung and been discarded because they must have filled their quota of people like me.

    And working people with families are more likely to be at home in the weekend than during the week, and more likely to have the time to do a poll than during their evening meal and getting kids off to bed, one of the worst times to get their attention.

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  60. Liam Hehir (125 comments) says:

    “the majority are still reporting in the polls that Key is not their man…”

    That strikes me as a fairly strange observation. If you think having a 48.6% preferred Prime Minister rating shows that lots of people aren’t impressed with John Key then what do you make of David Cunliffe’s showing? Or even the combined showing of Winston Peters, Russel Norman, Hone Harawira, Metiria Turei and David Cunliffe?

    Given that 27.4% of respondents didn’t nominate a preference. You could justifiably say that some 67% of the people who expressed a preference said they preferred Key.

    I think you might be guilty of a measure of projection here.

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  61. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kaykaybee (126 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 9:02 am

    On the Huka Lodge thing, can you please explain then why a caveat was added to the title of the lodge, just after Peter’s made that statement? If there was nothing in what he said, why the caveat?

    I am sure his language and reasoning seems flawed to National devotees, but it doesn’t always seem that way to others, and lets not forget Ray Morgan has him on 6%.

    Peters made a statement that the information he has would see Ms Collins gone by the end of the week. He is correct with the information.

    The fact that both the PM and the speaker appear to not want the reality of that information to be regarded, does not alter the fact that Ms Collins, despite declaring similar in previous years, choose not to declare it last year – therefore indicating, along with all the other information regarding her Chinese visit that she is hiding something and has manipulated the system in order for the electorate not to know what really went on. Plus she has persistently evaded the issue – Peters is right.

    Regardless of whether she has learned to play the rules to her own advantage, does not change anything – in fact, it indicates of the lengths JK’s regime is prepared to go to – and how his promise of open & transparent governance is just a lie.

    Judith Collins is guilty of corruption – that is as plain as the nose on Key’s face. If there was a strong alternative party, Key would be gone because of her actions. The fact he will win this next election, only by default is nothing to be proud of.

    Key is not sound – his actions regarding Collins indicate he supports corruption – it will come back to bite very hard on the butt eventually – and you are delusional if you think otherwise.

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  62. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    What is the promise Key is supposed to have broken?

    The real public, as opposed to the ones in Judith’s mind, still think Key is the best person to lead the country, by a vast majority.

    “you seem not to realise that there are many people who are sick to death of Key,”

    Because it’s not true, it’s just your personal delusion based on your emotions, which have no relation to reality, and on this issue, never have.

    Peter’s is a racist hypocrite who has clearly passed his used by date.

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  63. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    I don’t understand all the Peters ridicule. I think he looks (and sounds) pretty good for a man who is well in to his 80s.

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  64. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    A National/NZF coalition is just what this country deserves….

    Only if you believe a severe case of dysentery is something to look forward to…..

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  65. Liam Hehir (125 comments) says:

    Judith Collins is guilty of corruption – that is as plain as the nose on Key’s face.

    That’s a rather strong statement. I think it goes beyond just asking questions.

    Do you have any information to substantiate that allegation of fact? Alternatively, you might like to think about qualifying the statement.

    Good thing you are anonymous, I suppose.

    This is why I think we could do with a clarification as to whether bloggers are responsible for defamation that occurs in the comments sections of their websites.

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  66. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Liam Hehir (34 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 9:20 am

    Wow, you are desperate! When people don’t indicate their preference, it is because they don’t have one – however, that still makes them voters, and not ‘null invoid’ because they don’t like any of those on offer or can’t make up their mind on the leader stakes. Less than 50% of voters polled stated they wanted Key as leader – which leaves more than 50% of them that didn’t feel strong enough about him to want him as leader.

    In short, the majority do not want him as leader! Nice try sunshine — perhaps it makes you sleep easier at night but I wouldn’t bet your bank balance on it. Key is NOT going to get over 50% – that you can be sure of.

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  67. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “That strikes me as a fairly strange observation.”

    It’s not only strange, it is utterly delusional. Judith has been throwing this line around for months, yet the preferred PM polls say exactly the opposite, National is still the largest party in the polls, and by far and away look the most likely to be able to form the next government.

    I have just stopped listening to Judith when it comes to Key. It’s pointless trying to talk reason with someones personal psychological delusions.

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  68. chris (647 comments) says:

    Judith says:

    I can’t stand Winston, or NZ First, but at this stage I am seriously considering giving him my vote

    Winston and NZ First are one and the same. There is no such thing as NZ First without Winston. A whole bunch of people “voted for Winston” last time and for some reason then seemed to be surprised when a rabble of others got in with him.

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  69. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Liam Hehir (35 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 9:29 am

    Oh where to begin? Of course if Ms Collins did take issue with my statement, my identity is easily established through my ISP, in which case she can, and should take legal action. So do not fear!

    However, she won’t, because believe me, she does not want to have to defend such a claim in a court of law, where she couldn’t hide behind John Key’s skirts.

    There are many reasons why I make that statement, her cronyism in appointing friends/relatives to key positions when there were other more qualified people, her claiming something was a ‘peer review’ that was in fact not a ‘peer view’ in the correct sense, her personal influence in matters that should have not been a component, and so on…. there is a list a mile long of Ms Collins corrupt practices. Of course, it entirely depends on your definition of ‘corruption’. :-)

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  70. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Liam Hehir said

    This is why I think we could do with a clarification as to whether bloggers are responsible for defamation that occurs in the comments sections of their websites.

    An interesting point Liam. I am very conscious of possible adverse consequences arising from comments, and given that I am risk-averse, I leave the Blogger moderation function switched on. I also have some simple rules for posting, once of which says “3. Please don’t defame people; our budget doesn’t run to defending legal actions as a party to defamation.”

    Comments are manageable, but it takes some work. If you’re going to blog, you have to accept responsibility for the content that others place on your site.

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  71. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ chris (472 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 9:31 am

    Your comment doesn’t make sense. In one sentence you claim that Winston is New Zealand First, and then you talk about other members of NZ First that are in parliament. Make up your mind – clearly there is Winston Peters who is the leader of New Zealand first, and then there are the other members – just like there is John Key and then ‘his other rubble’ ;-)

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  72. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    Judith is deeply concerned about corruption, but would vote for a party led by a corrupt man?

    Vela family? Owen Glenn? The infamous “NO” placard that turned out to be a lie?

    Oh yeah, Judith really hates corruption! :)

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  73. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (9,851 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 9:39 am

    The fact remains that if the statement is a strongly held opinion which can be supported then it is allowed. The fact that my statements are mirrored in the media, in parliament, and all over the internet means that any legal action would certainly fail.

    I do however love the implied threats by some posters – clearly I’ve hit a nerve and they would prefer me not to voice my opinion.

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  74. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    I wasn’t actually referring to you specifically. I’m not sure whether you have ever graced my esteemed blog with your presence :D

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  75. Liam Hehir (125 comments) says:

    @Judith

    I don’t know how desperate I am given that I’m not the one trying to spin the 49% PPM rating as some kind of harbinger of doom for the Prime Minister.

    Of course, Judith Collins would never take action against you – and there would be all manner of defences available, I guess. Speaking in generalities, however, the fact is that it would be for you to show that Collins was corrupt. It wouldn’t be for her to prove she wasn’t.

    She who alleges, must prove – that’s a worthwhile axiom. If you think it is obvious that there was actualy corruption, then you should probably say what specific known and facts show this to be so (or spell out why the circumstantial evidence is so overwhelming). You might also like to notify the law enforcement, since corruption is a crime, after all – ask Taito Phillip Field.

    Otherwise, it might reflect better on you to show a bit of circumspection.

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  76. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (2,466 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 9:40 am

    There is a big difference there Shawn. Mr Peters has never promised that he would provide an open and transparent government.

    That is my issue – not the level of corruption, because they are all rather corrupt in my opinion and I have made that clear in past statements, but because one, John Key, has promised time and time again that we would NOT be seeing any of those tricks in his government. He promised that he would lay all the cards on the table and would NEVER allow his government to hide anything. Transparency was to be the ‘name of his game’ – and he has done just the opposite.

    IT is that which I object to. Without those claims he would just be the same as the rest – but by making such a big thing of it, he is now coming across as the biggest hypocrite of all.

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  77. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Liam Hehir (36 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Actually no, I would not have to prove Collins was corrupt, only that my opinion was fairly held – of course all I’d have to do would be to present any one of the last few months news paper reports, to justify that! If Collins wished to prove that I was not justified in having that opinion, she would then have to show those accusations to be wrong – that is ‘open the books’ and believe me she won’t do that without being made to – and that takes up back to the beginning – why won’t she do that????

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  78. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (9,852 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 9:48 am

    Frequently – I find it much better than many that are on offer. Interesting reading.

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  79. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @Judith: Your dislike of the Minister of Justice is well known to everyone on KB. And the reasons behind your constant ‘campaign’ against her, are also well known – because you keep beating the same bongo as often as possible.

    Your slip is really showing – best get over it. The good news is that Judith Collins will soon be back handling her Ministerial responsibilities – as she should.

    I am delighted you only get one vote – I know it will be cancelled out by the (just turned 18-yr-old) daughter of the Asian couple who have moved into our neighbourhood. They all think John Key is great! :D

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  80. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Elaycee (4,132 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 9:59 am

    You are correct, I don’t like Judith Collins one bit, just as many on here don’t seem to like Cunnliffe, Peters etc. But like your ‘love’ of John Key, we all have our preferences, although you seem to think it is okay for you to have them, but for some reason I am not allowed to?

    As for my one vote, yes even you only get one vote. I’m happy for your new neighbours – just as I am happy to discuss my politics with the many young people I share my life with. Great that we have a country where we can do that. ;-)

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  81. Pete George (23,574 comments) says:

    The fact remains that if the statement is a strongly held opinion which can be supported then it is allowed. The fact that my statements are mirrored in the media, in parliament, and all over the internet means that any legal action would certainly fail.

    I think that’s a very risky assumption. I’m not aware of media making a case for corruption. Thinking you are supported because some politicians and political activists make similar accusations may reduce the chance of you being the target of action but it doesn’t do anything to prove your case.

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  82. chris (647 comments) says:

    Judith says:

    Your comment doesn’t make sense. In one sentence you claim that Winston is New Zealand First, and then you talk about other members of NZ First that are in parliament. Make up your mind – clearly there is Winston Peters who is the leader of New Zealand first, and then there are the other members

    If Winston Peters was not the leader of NZ First, there would be no NZ First in Parliament. The other lot only got in because of Winston. And for some reason at the last election, many people who “voted for Winston” seemed surprised the other lot got in too. If John Key was not the leader of National, we’d still have National with a significant chunk of the vote. NZ First is a personality cult. National (and Labour and the Greens etc) are not.

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  83. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    I don’t think it’s a done deal that Robertson will be the new leader. There has been some talk on WhaleOil that Andrew Little may be put forward. He would certainly get the support of the unions.

    Anyway – it is also possible that there may not *be* much of a Labour Party remaining after the election. A big split is a possibility.
    Such a split could be a good thing. NZ *needs* a centrist party to hold the middle ground, allowing the Nats freedom to move more to the right. A centrist party that pledged to support whichever of the other parties got the most votes (which would usually be the Nats….)

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  84. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    Resident commies Corrin Dann and Paddy Labour Gower will be crying in a bar somewhere as I type this. Despite their blatant propaganda, this poll nails the left wing nutters where they belong – at the bottom of the sewer…..I am going to enjoy every minute of today.

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  85. reversespin (69 comments) says:

    This poll should be a wake-up to the Left and the Press Gallery. Party Fundraising and perceived conflicts of interest are beltway issues, inside-politics issues. Normal people care about things that they relate to. The budget is going to have something on home affordability…..that has real meaning to my life. It will have something on paid parental leave….that will be influential on when I have kids and how many I have.

    Owning my own home and having kids – REAL political issues that leave this recent beltway bull-dust for dead.

    The opposition can quite rightly claim “We have to run on the trivial stuff to get pick-up. The MSM don’t take any notice when we talk about policy issues.” That being the case, the media need to lift their game and present relevant and meaningful content around policy – especially in an election year.

    Wake up, Opposition. Wake up, Media. No one gives a rats arse about this meaningless crap.

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  86. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    chris (473 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 10:06 am
    If John Key was not the leader of National, we’d still have National with a significant chunk of the vote.

    What, like the 21% of the vote you got in 2002 before Key appeared?

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  87. Liam Hehir (125 comments) says:

    @Judith

    Did you say: “In my opinion Judith Collins is corrupt”?

    Did you say: “I think what’s been in the news shows that Judith Collins is corrupt”?

    Or did you just say:

    Judith Collins is guilty of corruption – that is as plain as the nose on Key’s face.

    Honest opinion applies only to expression of opinion – not assertions of fact.

    Whether what you said could be qualified as opinion would depend on the context, I suppose, but looks like an assertion of fact on its face.

    In any event, a statement that isn’t clearly set out as an opinion rather than an allegation of fact could not ordinarily be the subject of that defence (Hunt v Star Newspaper Co Ltd [1908] 2 KB 309).

    Anyway – that doesn’t really matter. The point is that if you’re just going to say that something like that about someone is true, then you should back it up.

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  88. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (21,942 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 10:04 am

    The statement was in answer to the fact that I could be sued to defamation – in which case the fact that claims of corruption have been made by sitting MP’s greatly influences my opinion. Just because you don’t happen to like or respect those particular members of parliament, does not alter the fact that the New Zealand electorate is entitled to believe and be influenced by what they say.

    I am quite surprised at your statement actually Pete. What it appears to me that you are saying, is only the politicians that you support tell the truth and the rest cannot be believed. I would have thought that didn’t need saying, because its exactly how I feel. I don’t believe the politicians I don’t support either, and think using those MP’s in an argument doesn’t help prove any case either. :-)

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  89. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Liam Hehir (37 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 10:11 am

    I do not need to back it up. This is a blog, where the matters concerning claims of Ms Collins corruption have been discussed on many occasions and various links provided and so on. The fact you are reading this blog means that information is available to you, and therefore you are able to form your own opinion from that information simply by being here – which you clearly are, because you have posted.

    What is interesting is that this is a blog. In almost every thread on this blog you will find people making similar statements about many politicians, political activists, public figures, and even private members of the community. It can therefore be deemed very much as an opinion blog, and so that fact is implicit and does not need to be made explicit in every statement.

    It is also interesting, given the vast amount of statements similar to mine that are made on a regular basis on this blog, but admittedly about non-national MP’s that are ignored from the claims you are trying to make here! In fact, in this very thread there are claims of corruption about another MP, that have never been substantiated. Which sir, shows you are extremely biased, and therefore makes your ‘scare tactics’ a complete joke.

    If Ms Collins wishes to try and sue me for my opinion of her – then I say ‘bring it on deary’!! :-) But I happen to know she is not that stupid – unlike some of her loyal supporters.

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  90. OneTrack (3,108 comments) says:

    thor42 – “NZ *needs* a centrist party to hold the middle ground, ….”

    NZ already has a centrist party (centre-left anyway) to hold the middle ground. Their name is National.

    ACT and the Conservatives need to pick up their game a bit to try and drag National back towards the right, or at least slow down the leftward drift.

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  91. wf (442 comments) says:

    Remember that tv panel program me where you lost points for ‘repetition’? It was just a comedy game and no one took it seriously.

    I’m feeling that way about Judith – too much needless repetition and now she is on my scroll-by list, along with the religious squabblers and Penny Bright.

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  92. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Wow, this post really got Shrewdith holding court didn’t it?

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  93. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ wf (331 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 10:31 am

    and you felt duty bound to make that comment – how sweet. I answer the people that aim comments to me – I was raised to answer people when spoken to and that to not answer was rude – sorry if you don’t like that, and you are doing the right thing to ignore it, rather than persistently whinging about it.

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  94. prosper (167 comments) says:

    Judith. Winston Peters sounds like a racist. Hula Lodge is already owned by a foreigner just not Chinese. The caveat on the property is there because the owner is having a dispute with his former business partner, also a foreigner. The election should be about the economy and NZ is doing better than almost all other countries. Given that a National Government has done an excellent job of managing the economy why would you want to vote for some other inexperienced party with very vague or obtuse policies?

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  95. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Judith is to Key what Penny is to Rates.

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  96. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Judith
    You are falling into the same trap Labour have fallen into – thinking that middle NZ cares about Judith Collins’ private dinner. Just like Kim Dotcom and the GCSB issue, Labour has burned through dozens on precious PQT questions and their supporters in the media many hundreds of airtime hours and thousands of column inches of print space on a question that this poll tells us has not helped the left’s electoral chances one iota. The Q+A/CB poll told us that 25% of voters are exercised by this issue – a figure remarkably close to Labour’s poll resort.

    My advice to the left – please stay obsessed on this issue….all the way to September 20th while the Nats carefully govern NZ to greater prosperity.

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  97. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ prosper (65 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 10:38 am

    I disagree, the election should be about ensuring New Zealand reaches its full potential in all areas according to the values of ALL its citizens.

    Whether national has done a good job in managing the economy depends on what you value and deem to be good. There are many that are no better off now financially, than when National first took the reigns, in the midst of a world wide recession.

    Those people would dispute your ‘claims’ that NZ is better off, and instead say that whilst some parts of NZ are better off, that is not evenly distributed and therefore the assertion is not supported.

    New Zealand has reached an impasse. There are very clear divides in what New Zealanders view as the optimum life style.
    Your view gives one side. In my work I see another. Generally one side values equality, whilst the other does not. I think the past 20 years of our politics have mirrored this, and will continue to do so because to reach a consensus, given the divided aspirations, is impossible.

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  98. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kiwi in america (2,367 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 10:47 am

    I do not care what any particular group thinks about Judith Collins – as someone pointed out, we all only get one vote. What I care about is what I think of her, and even then, she would not prevent me from voting for National, as I have done in the past, if I believed that over-all what they offered New Zealand was in the best interests of ALL New Zealanders.

    She is just one issue, and a distraction. A distraction that is preventing people from the issues that matter – the policies and so on. I want her gone, and then I want to know the answers to questions I have regarding where our country is headed.

    I am sick to death of the games being played by many politicians, and yes, Peters is one of them, as well. But it seems like we are not going to get any sense, so I may as well play their game

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  99. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (890 comments) says:

    The Australian budget is a classic example of what needs to be done if we ever had the misfortune of a Labour-Green-Mana_NZ First-Maori-DotCon rule in the coming election…..

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  100. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    She is just one issue, and a distraction. A distraction that is preventing people from the issues that matter – the policies and so on.

    Sheesh… the same old ‘anti-Collins’ bongo is being pounded again. By the same person who has ‘contributed’ ~20% of comments to date on this thread – all wailing a recurring theme…

    It’s time someone extracted themselves from the ostrich position.

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  101. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “I do not need to back it up. ”

    Of course you don’t, that would require having facts as opposed to emotionally driven hysteria. :)

    “That is my issue – ”

    No it’s not. By comparison to the last gov the current Key led gov has been far more open and transparent, to the degree any gov can in reality.

    Your issue is a personal, emotional dislike of Key, nothing more. It’s not rational, and it’s not motivated by anything other than emotion.

    Your fantasy that supposedly growing numbers of people agree with you is a delusion.

    And your a hypocrite Judith. Charging Collin’s with corruption while excusing Winston Peter’s is just more proof that the real motivation in your visceral hatred of Key is not rational nor driven by any concern for ethics and honesty.

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  102. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Judith @11am
    If the Judith Collins issue is “A distraction that is preventing people from the issues that matter” you sure do devote an inordinate amount of blogging time and space wringing your hands about it.

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  103. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kiwi in america

    And others devote a great deal of time to other politicians (Cunnliffe), topics such as religion, conspiracy theories and so on. It is what we do when something really annoys us. The actions of the government over the Collins issue is in direct opposite to something JK promised us. That makes it very pertinent as far as I am concerned. But I can see why a national supporter would want it to go away.

    @ Shawn – I do not care whether I am the only person in NZ that feels this way about Collins – it is my opinion and I’m entitled to express it. Do I lay the same claims to you and your extensive and continued arguments about religion (all which I think are pointless) – I don’t. If I am not interested I simply ignore them, but I defend your right to express them.

    However, I am not the only person who does feel this way about Collins – I may be the only person on this National supporters blog that does – but believe me, there are others, no doubt the minority – but as far as I am aware, even a minority is allowed their opinion (or are you and your mates going to change that?).

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  104. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Judith
    You miss my point – you (and your circle of friends) can care about this until the cows come home. A good majority of middle NZ voters don’t share your sentiment. If the left want to oust Key then banging on about Oravida and a dinner in Beijing will not achieve that goal. National strategists see this obsession of the left on ‘inside the beltway’ issues as an electoral plus for them.

    You are entirely welcome to your opinion and its a free country to express your views and, unlike The Standard, you’d have to make egregiously actionable or gratuitous comments to be banned here. But if your secret hope is for Oravida to be the downfall of the Key government, especially after Peters’ latest Judith Collins career ending smoking gun that had all the potency of a wet bus ticket, then you will be disappointed.

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  105. prosper (167 comments) says:

    Judith. I agree that government should be doing its best to establish a scenario where NZ can reach its potential but you cannot do this unless you have a sound economy. NZ is performing well economically compared to other countries. This is a fact, not my opinion and can be easily verified.

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  106. wreck1080 (3,918 comments) says:

    @martinh :Andrew Little….?
    The guy typifies joe average to me and im not trying to be nasty at all.

    Maybe you are right, but he just seemed to speak quite well the several times I heard him. Other than that, I know very little about him but the rest of the labour bunch seem bereft of charm/looks/personality/pragmatism.

    I’m working on the theory that you can tell a lot about a person in the first 30 seconds :)

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  107. Liam Hehir (125 comments) says:

    Relax Judith – nobody’s going to sue you. However, there is a principle here about why it is wrong to just say “X is guilty of Y” in such a matter-of-fact way. You should clearly qualify it as an uninformed opinion or state the reasonable grounds why you believe it is so.

    You wouldn’t like it if somebody just baldly stated that you had actually committed a very serious crime, after all.

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  108. Paulus (2,628 comments) says:

    Judith -shut up you are spoiling the blog by trying to take over everything.

    Never knew anybody so knowledgeable as you.

    Go back to the Standard – oh – you are from there.

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  109. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kiwi in america (2,369 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Actually, I want quite the opposite. I do not want Oravida, nor any other such issue to be the downfall of the National government, nor the success or downfall of any other party. I want the next government of NZ to have got the job because they offer what is best, not because they have managed to weasel that position by denigrating the personalities of their opposition, by attention seeking over issues of little importance – I want that government to be there because they are open, transparent and honest.

    If it was up to me, my vote would go to whom offered what I considered was important and best for this country and my children and grandchildren. I can only do that from my personal philosophy, as can anyone.

    However, I am not being offered the chance to do that – I have a list of five things that are most important to me but they are not appearing on the radar, instead it is consumed with the antics of Ms Collins, Cunnliffe’s chicken coup, Peter’s drinking/flu, Williamson’s phone call and so on.

    I listen to parliamentary TV seeking glimpses of information, and when questions are asked, they are not answered with ‘we will do this or that’ instead they are answered with ‘but this is what they did ..” followed by ridicule and childish crap. Which tells me what? – nothing but shocking historical performance of our MP’s, which I already know.

    Collins is, I believe damaging to the National government and to politics in general in this country. Whether you agree or not, her behaviour is in direct opposition to everything Key has claimed he will offer. I believe she will never change, her history is peppered with her arrogance, and therefore she will continue to offer examples which will distract from what should be on show at this time. She is the best example of why politics in this country is currently a joke – the PM has no control over her, that is blatantly obvious. I believe it is in the interests of all concerned, both sides of the house for her to be stood down and for Key to be seen to command and be afforded the respect of his ministers.

    As long as she remains silent, hiding whatever it is doesn’t want to reveal, then she will continue to be a target, acting like a magnet to the opposition, absorbing time that should be spent on selling the best deal to the New Zealand Electorate.

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  110. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Paulus (2,350 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    You have the choice of not reading my posts. I suggest if you don’t like them, you exercise your free will.

    I am not a poster on the standard, and apart from clicking on a link provided in here once, have never visited the blog.

    You know what they say about assume – which I guess makes you an ass.

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  111. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Liam Hehir (38 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    They can say what they like about me, believe me they have on here. But as my name is not known, it means nothing. When you post on a blog that you know is dominated by many people that don’t share you same values, and especially in an election year, one expects not to be agreed with. I like this blog because I think it is one of the most informative NZ blogs and respect the way that DPF, despite his political affiliations, allows all people the chance to post their opinions.

    So in essence, I believe that when a person exposes themselves to certain positions, such as posting on a blog, OR especially being a Government Minister, then they should know, and be intelligent enough to realise that they are going to be heavily critiqued, disagreed with and even have people draw conclusions about them they do not like.

    If John Key sued everyone that said such things about him – he wouldn’t have time to appear in the house for the court appearances he would have to make – but as he says, ‘so what’? He doesn’t care what his detractors say.

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  112. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Honest opinion applies only to expression of opinion – not assertions of fact.

    Thing is, “Judith Collins is guilty of corruption” is a fact, so there’s no problem. It’s corrupt for a Minister of the Crown to use their position to benefit a business run by their family and friends, and Collins has used her position to benefit a business run by her family/friends.

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  113. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    ” it is my opinion and I’m entitled to express it.”

    I’m not attacking your right to express your opinion. But expressing them and having them taken seriously are not the same thing.

    Also while you have the right to express them, you don’t have the right not to be criticized for them, or have it pointed out that your being hypocritical and operating from your emotional dislike of of John Key, rather than any real ethical principle, which, as you make clear with your defense of WP, your not really concerned about in the first place.

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  114. ShawnLH (5,128 comments) says:

    “and Collins has used her position to benefit a business run by her family/friends.”

    That’s an opinion, not a fact. It’s at best an interpretation of what Collins was doing, but it cannot be proved either way.

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  115. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ ShawnLH (2,476 comments) says:
    May 14th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    Perhaps if National, and the Speaker stopped protecting her, then we would know the definitive answer to that, but until such time as she decides to stop being so arrogant and actually release the information, then we are left to draw our own conclusions based on the premise that people only hide what they don’t want others to know.

    I also remind you that she is a Government Minister and is answerable to all of us.

    Peters may not have been right about her going, but as he has rightly pointed out – others have been sacked for much less. (So him drawing the conclusion that she would be sacked given the information he had, was not unreasonable to expect)

    Clearly there are two sets of rules at play here – and as a voter, I’d like to know why?

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  116. Colville (2,269 comments) says:

    Even if Collins DID use her position to aid a company run BY her family Collins certianly did NOT aid a company run FOR her family.
    There was no personal gain.

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  117. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    I have made no secret of not liking John Key. I’ve met him and on that level, he seemed a nice enough guy.

    But, as a politician, I see him as shifty and untrustworthy.

    I don’t know quite what to make of David Cunliffe. It’s early days yet, and the election is still several months away.

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  118. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    I don’t know quite what to make of David Cunliffe.

    Well you have come to the right place to find out my friend :)

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  119. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    That’s an opinion, not a fact.

    Well, it would be an opinion if we didn’t have a bunch of documents in which her office sets up a visit to raise the profile of her husband’s company, and the company’s resulting use of her endorsement. Indeed, without those, we’d have to rely solely on interpreting the facts that her office set up a meeting on her husband’s company’s behalf with a Chinese border official, shortly after which her husband’s company’s border control problems ended and National got a fat donation, and about which the Minister has steadfastly refused to answer any questions. Interpreting those facts to draw the only plausible conclusion would indeed just be an opinion, albeit an opinion you could be pretty confident about. But we do have the docs, and it is a fact

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  120. SHG (316 comments) says:

    Whenever a new poll comes out there’s inevitably a flurry of dissent over the contact method. “Only old people have landlines!” “Young people only have mobile phones!”

    I wonder when it will dawn on all concerned that pollsters don’t call landlines and they don’t call mobile phones. They call phone numbers. There’s nothing about a phone number that guarantees a certain device is connected at the other end.

    If you call my “landline number” it might be my iPhone that rings. If you call my “mobile number” it might be my iPad that rings, or an application on my laptop that rings.

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  121. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    There was no personal gain.

    That’s fit to join Key’s favourite “It was within the rules” as a masterwork of political weaselry.

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  122. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt , best you make peace with the nice Mr Key. He is going to be your supreme leader for many years yet :)

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  123. chris (647 comments) says:

    Whenever a new poll comes out there’s inevitably a flurry of dissent over the contact method. “Only old people have landlines!” “Young people only have mobile phones!”

    How do they get the phone numbers? Our landlines aren’t listed, although I have been called on one of them before to answer a political poll. I’ve had my mobile number for 11 years and other than on my own website recently (~1 or 2 years) it’s never been listed anywhere. I think my wife’s had her number for longer, and again it’s only ever been listed on our own website recently.

    There are public directories of phone numbers (which we aren’t listed in), which I’ve always assumed is where they get them from, but there isn’t one that I’m aware of for mobile. I know some polling companies do call mobiles, so again, how do they get the phone numbers?

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  124. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    @Martinh

    I thought Lush asked some fair questions that didnt deserve the obtuse response from him.
    Nick lost it.

    Was this the interview you’re talking about?

    http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Housing-Minister-Nick-Smith-plays-down-foreign-home-ownership/tabid/506/articleID/45250/Default.aspx

    If so, Smith’s performance didn’t seem that bad. I’d hardly call it “losing it”. Forthright and once or twice a little irritated, but that’s about it.

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  125. deadrightkev (469 comments) says:

    Grant Robertson might be Labour leader after the election but he will never be PM.

    He will ensure John Key or Judith Collins gets National a fourth term.

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