General Debate 1 June 2014

June 1st, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    @ Radio NZ Sundays Wif Wallace: What UKIP? Wot Earthquake in Europe?
    Shows how elites selectively direct us as to what we see and hear.

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  2. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    9:40 Wayne Brittenden’s Counterpoint

    In view of the extraordinary success of the anti-European UK Independence Party (UKIP) in the recent local and European elections, Wayne looks at the party and the European-wide backlash against immigration. Wallace follows up with German historian Professor Christoph Herzog.
    …..
    O.K I’ll take that back . They will try to interpret it as a hicup due to unemployment; need to ramp up multicultural appreciation programs.

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  3. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    It’s not what your drinking, but how your posting that is the problem.

    What an appalling display of aggressive drunken masculinity on here last night.

    The irony is that after rightfully spending a couple of hours dissing the disgusting standards of other blogs, you spent the next while dragging this site down to even lower depths.

    Calling people out, inciting violence, involving family and so on…

    Charming, simply charming!

    I’m embarrassed for you.

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    Andrea Vance has found some “interesting” stickers at the Green Party conference. Would “nookie for votes” be counted as treating or is it good that Greenies come equipped with a warning label?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/does-this-count-as-treating.html

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    Judith said

    Calling people out, inciting violence, involving family and so on…

    Charming, simply charming!

    I’m embarrassed for you.

    Yet you’re back again this morning Judith. What does that say?

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  6. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (9,913 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 8:24 am

    I don’t know about a ‘treat’ – perhaps it is actually using ‘fear tactics’!! Did you read the finer detail – it maybe if you DON’T vote for them you have to engage in such an activity….. (shudder).

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  7. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    Bryce Edwards: Will immigrants become the housing scapegoat?
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11259692

    The last(?) post by Dr Edwards on Leftwing Xenophobia was a guest post by an anonymouse “John Moore”:

    “Both in New Zealand and globally, the best of the leftwing tradition has always rejected small-minded nationalism, xenophobia and racism. In fact, leftists of an internationalist tradition have always favoured globalization and getting rid of national borders and barriers to migration. Progressive advocates of globalization of course do not defend a handful of rich imperialist countries, including New Zealand, dominating the world’s economy, but instead advocate an integrated and radically egalitarian world economy where production is based on social need and not on private profit. ”

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  8. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (9,914 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 8:26 am

    That says, like other areas in life, I’m not going to let a bunch of drunken idiots stop me from reading and participating in a blog that generally has a higher standard than the others on offer.

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  9. Akaroa (552 comments) says:

    Good morning Judith.

    Re; your comment at 8.23 about the quality of blogging herein last night.

    Madam. May I refer you once more to my earlier comment to you that i posted yesterday that was along the lines of ‘Lighten up dear”.

    Judith. Seriously. If you think that Kiwiblog – or any other fly-by-night blog for that matter – has any serious substance or relevance, then I feel sorry for your empty and evidently meaningless life.

    Judith, the Internet – as far as social blogging is concerned – is merely a medium for the frivolous, wild and wacky to have a blurt at the World on whatever hobbyhorse they’re concerned with at this or that millisecond in time. In short, its just a bit of fun, not to be taken seriously.

    Judith, wake up, smell the coffee, and get with the – light-hearted, totally non-serious – internet blogging programme!!

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  10. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    What on earth happened last night that got Judith so worked up??

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  11. freemark (519 comments) says:

    Yawn, being lectured to again by the sanctimonious “Judith” Enough to turn a man misogynist.

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  12. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    Sanctimonious indeed.
    Check out this comment Judith made to Burt yesterday
    “I realise that you’d like to live in a society where the weak in society would be left to rot in their own kind of hell, ”
    Wow. What sort of person would think that of another? Oh I know, a troll.

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  13. Odakyu-sen (527 comments) says:

    “Progressive advocates of globalization of course do not defend a handful of rich imperialist countries, including New Zealand, dominating the world’s economy, but instead advocate an integrated and radically egalitarian world economy where production is based on social need and not on private profit. ”

    Basing anything on “social need” is imperialist, as someone has to decide what the social need is. Not only do decisions formerly made at a dispersed and grass-roots level by freely trading individuals have to be collectivised by a central bureaucracy; this bottom-up selection process has to be banned less it compete with the central top-down dictate. And to ban it you need the monitoring agencies, informants and police.

    Oh the delicious irony of political utopian theory… totally divorced from human nature or natural law.

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  14. minus (160 comments) says:

    It’s now game on with a full war chest for the left & the right. It will be interesting to see the results when both sides are funded to the full extent allowed.

    Wasn’t it previously suggested Labour is fairly broke and nothing seems to have happened recently that changes that?

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  15. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    freemark
    I think you hit the nail on the head with “sanctimonious”
    sanctimonious
    ˌsaŋ(k)tɪˈməʊnɪəs/
    adjectivederogatory
    making a show of being morally superior to other people.
    synonyms: self-righteous, holier-than-thou, churchy, pious, pietistic, moralizing, unctuous, smug, superior, priggish, mealy-mouthed, hypocritical, insincere, for form’s sake, to keep up appearances;

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  16. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Akaroa (504 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 8:47 am

    I agree with what you say – but when the same people that spent a couple of hours dissing other blogs for the way the participants carry on – then proceed to carry on in an even worse manner – its hypocritical.

    Whilst I am well aware of what goes on around the internet, this site generally has a higher standing. Whilst many tease and taunt, myself included, to call people out and incite violence and involve children etc – that is not on.

    And… since when did ‘everyone else is doing it’ ever make it alright?

    What if one of those gentlemen had actually ‘visited’ the other, and we were dealing with a serious assault today – would that be alright too? What sort of example is it to others reading this site? Its okay because other people do it? Rubbish!

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  17. Colville (2,191 comments) says:

    Yeah there was a couple of boys swinging their handbags at each other like old ladys last night.
    Big fraking deal, its a blog, it happens.

    I was at a very nice French wine tasting and dinner…so I wasnt here to see it “live”

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  18. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    “An immigration expert has come out today to challenge the assumptions about migration and housing, saying that ‘Restricting migration could help lower house prices, but doing so would be extremely difficult and have little impact’ – see the 5-minute TV3 interview and story, Migration will have little impact on house prices – professor.

    Migration and Macroeconomic
    Performance in New Zealand:
    Theory and Evidence

    1 Introduction

    The economic impacts of immigration in New Zealand have been extensively researched
    in the past 15 years or so. In the abstract of their paper summarising key findings between
    2005 and 2010, Hodgson and Poot (2010) conclude:

    “… immigration has made a positive contribution to outcomes in
    New Zealand… fears for negative economic impacts such as net fiscal
    costs, lower wages, and increasing unemployment find very little support in
    the available empirical evidence… the economic integration of migrants is
    broadly successful.”

    Since Hodgson and Poot’s survey was published, new theoretical and empirical work has
    emerged which prompts a reassessment of the possibility that immigration could lead to
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    large positive or negative effects. This paper considers both recent and earlier work in
    order to draw conclusions about the likely macroeconomic impacts of immigration,
    discusses least regrets policy implications and suggests areas for further work.

    Nana et. al. (2009) simulated the macroeconomic impact of an increase in immigration on
    the New Zealand economy using a CGE model. This model was based on an earlier CGE
    study by Poot et. al. (1988), which was originally based on an earlier Australian model by
    Dixon et. al. (1982). Raising the inflow of migrants by 20,000 per annum increased the
    resident population by 6.1 percent over 15 years, to 4.81 million in 2021. Relative to the
    baseline, annual GDP growth rose by half a percentage point to 3.6 percent, and real
    GDP per capita rose by 1.5 percent over the entire 15 year simulation period. The
    6.
    increase in GDP per capita arises because the additional migrants are more likely to be of
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    working age than the resident population. Capital is assumed to increase in response to
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    increased labour supply to maintain the capital labour ratio. Both input and output prices
    are lower relative to the baseline (reflecting increased supply). Lower prices improve
    international competitiveness.29

    In this model, the additional economic activity is skewed towards relatively labour-
    intensive industries (including tourism and other service exports) which benefit from the
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    lower wages associated with increased labour supply. As a corollary, relatively capital-
    intensive industries do not benefit.

    Model assumptions were varied to assess effects on productivity. Of all the assumptions
    tested, only when immigration is assumed to lead to productivity improvements are
    significant benefits generated above baseline.

    2.3 Changing policy expectations

    Since then, New Zealand has had substantial gross and net immigration, which has been
    relatively skill-focused by international standards. However, New Zealand’s economic
    performance has not been transformed. Growth in GDP per capita has been relatively
    lacklustre, with no progress in closing income gaps with the rest of the advanced world,
    and productivity performance has been poor. It may be that initial expectations about the
    potential positive net benefits of immigration were too high.

    Based on a large body of new research evidence and practical experience, the consensus
    among policymakers now is that other factors are more important for per capita growth
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    and productivity than migration and population growth. CGE modelling exercises for
    Australia and New Zealand have been influential in reshaping expectations.

    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10

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  19. Scott Chris (5,980 comments) says:

    It’s not what your drinking, but how your posting that is the problem.

    What an appalling display of aggressive drunken masculinity on here last night.

    Yeah maybe, but that’s just the way a few commenters on this blog express themselves and have always done so. Others have more considered opinions.

    And still others have a special talent for painting a great big target on themselves with their haughty proclamations. Not looking at anyone in particular…. ;) (yes, yes, I’m victim blaming)

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  20. Steve (North Shore) (4,524 comments) says:

    Geez the name ‘johnboy’ is mud today. Johnboy got on the piss (whiskey and soda) last night and a few decided to join him (wine and JD) nek minute there was a sheep/goat orgy.
    The big J is not impressed, but who cares. Since when did anyone have a right to stop men having fun?

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  21. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ All_on_Red (1,166 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 8:53 am

    Taking one sentence out of its entire context isn’t cleaver. Sanctimonious or not – I don’t really care what you think of me – but at least I’m ‘man’ enough to point out where I see a very poor example is being set and don’t just automatically accept a wrong doing, because the people doing it happen to vote for the same team. Just because its all over the internet, doesn’t make it right. ITs a very poor example of a blog that only yesterday was claiming its standards were better than anyone elses.

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  22. Scott Chris (5,980 comments) says:

    hj

    What did you make of Winston Peters calling Brendon Horan the “Jimmy Savile of NZ politics”?

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  23. freemark (519 comments) says:

    Arrived in Christchurch yesterday ( my first visit for 7 years). The wasteland of the Cbd is pretty sobering. How anybody thinks “the Government” could or should have miraculously rebuilt it by now is ludicrous.

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  24. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Steve (North Shore) (4,384 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 9:04 am

    It wasn’t Johnboy or any of those you name I was talking about. You have the wrong thread. Johnboy is just funny, and doesn’t mean any harm. The ones I’m complaining about went too far.

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  25. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Scott Chris (5,763 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 9:03 am

    I wasn’t a ‘victim’ I didn’t even take part in the conversation. I just happened to read it this morning and think how damn embarrassing it was for those that did take part in it. Especially as those same people had been claiming how the standards here were so much higher than elsewhere.

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  26. All_on_Red (1,489 comments) says:

    Looks like the Conservatives are going to have to do a deal with UKIP to survive.
    “(Reuters) – Nearly nine in 10 of the over four million Britons who backed the anti-EU UKIP party in this month’s European elections will vote for them again in national polls next year, potentially costing Prime Minister David Cameron vital votes, according to a survey on Saturday.
    If that were to happen, it would break the previous trend of support for UKIP in EU ballots disappearing at parliamentary elections.
    UKIP, which calls for Britain to leave the European Union, won 4.3 million votes and topped the vote last week, scoring a 27.5 percent share, ahead of the main opposition Labour Party and ruling Conservatives.”
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/31/uk-britain-election-poll-idUKKBN0EB0EQ20140531

    4.3 million people is quite a voter base.

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  27. FeralScrote (127 comments) says:

    Will KimDotcons chief lickspittle Norman come clean on what inducements have been offered for him to oppose extradition before the election?
    Any update on how the coalition of lesser lickspittles are polling this fine morn?

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  28. jcuk (639 comments) says:

    The scroll wheel is somewhat like the off button that you can bypass what doesn’t appeal to one … yesterday I felt very much like Judith and used the wheel to bypass the disgusting exhibition of slanging. Using the excuse of alchohol is a typical male moronic attitude of the limited mentality. It is not an valid excuse IMO.

    I am a moderate drinker.

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  29. minus (160 comments) says:

    Since cigarettes are not displayed at point of sale but the buyer has to request them by name, what is the real impact of proposed plain packeting?

    Do smokers really discuss the brands they smoke, exchange cigarettes to see if another brand is better for them, or admire the design of a packet someone else has – the small portion which is not covered with obnoxious photographs and warnings?

    Is it that plain packaging may be useful for other products, but smoking is the excuse to introduce it.

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  30. Steve (North Shore) (4,524 comments) says:

    Oh you mean Big Bruv and D4J, Judith?
    Just a couple of loudmouths beating their chests – I don’t think D4J drinks. Or maybe you are upset with those commenting on Linda from the Strandard?

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  31. freemark (519 comments) says:

    “I just happened to read it this morning.” Lol, how many deliberate & conscious acts does it take to have a few comments on a certain thread on a certain blog on the interweb on a device to “happen” to flash in front of you. So full of shit “Judith” Why don’t you go and lecture the real nasty bastards somewhere else. Does your “old boy” see how you carry on here? He needs to tell you to pull your bloody head in IMO. Go and make him some eggs or something, do some ironing.

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  32. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ freemark (362 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 9:25 am

    I actually quite often come in here whilst I am having an early morning cuppa, and see what has been said the night before. I don’t know why you would find that strange. I know many people that use that time the same way.

    My ‘boy’ doesn’t tell me what I can and can’t do anymore than I tell him what he can do. But the fact you think that is the way a couple should carry on, certainly says a lot about your beliefs.

    I happen to think that mature adults have a social responsibility to not encourage violence in society. Sorry if you feel differently but we are entitled to our opinions.

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  33. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Steve (North Shore) (4,385 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 9:23 am

    I don’t read the standard Steve, went there once following a link and was disgusted with the carry on – have no idea who Linda is?

    Yes, it was those two and others – from both sides of the political spectrum. Obviously a long standing dispute and involving family members as well.

    I don’t care how anyone likes to paint it – when people provide address details and so on, it makes it serious and when someone actually follows that line and something bad does happen – it will be this blog that gets involved in a negative way.

    It doesn’t have to be anyone taking part in that conversation, simply an on looker that didn’t agree could take action.
    Do you know everyone reading this public blog?

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  34. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (5,763 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 9:05 am

    hj

    What did you make of Winston Peters calling Brendon Horan the “Jimmy Savile of NZ politics”?
    …..
    It pales in significant compared to the effects of immigration on the well being of New Zealanders.

    Horan represents a failing of our political system: he is compare material (DJ at wedding) not above the big toe of a thinker.

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  35. OneTrack (2,822 comments) says:

    Just watching q&a and Laila Harre talking to Susan Wood, and Harre just had her Show Me The Money moment, and, just like Goff before, fell at the wayside.

    So, once again, the hard left are promising the world to get into power but have no idea how to pay for it. And to rub it in, she didn’t seem to think it was a problem. No wonder they say they hate money – they don’t understand it.

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  36. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    Radio NZ”s response to the UKIP earthquake is to treat us to Wayne Brittendon’s opinion: “UKIP “a lotof boorish statements” the British are a mongrel nation” “immigration [they are] the better for it”.

    Ohhh Fuck OFF.

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  37. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    @hj

    The media are painting UKIP as a right wing, anti immigration and anti European fringe party.
    They then proceed to beat the strawman.
    Typical lame stream media left wing tactics.

    The reality away from the LSM?

    UKIP is a liberal party which opposes unlimited mass immigration and wants to co-operate as an economical EU, not a political EU.

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  38. stephieboy (2,540 comments) says:

    Judith, I do have a pretty good recollection of the gang of four including yourself, dissing it out and abusing those to the contrary over the Binnie Report and the Bain compensation saga.
    Therefore a bit rich of you to complain about last night.?

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  39. Steve (North Shore) (4,524 comments) says:

    stephieboy,
    do as I say, not as I do. You know the rules of the left :)

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  40. FeralScrote (127 comments) says:

    Nice work Anti-vaxxers, Measles reaches 20 year high in the US.
    http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/measles-cases-us-reach-20-year-high

    They are doing a better job of taking us back to the stone age than the Greenies.

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  41. stephieboy (2,540 comments) says:

    I don’t know about the rules of the left but apparently in today’s Sunday Times a full page ad from Colin Craig and the Conservative Party congratulating Sue Bradford on her principled stand against the Mana Party and that buffoon.
    Another alliance of convenience in the making.?

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  42. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    FeralScrote says:

    “They are doing a better job of taking us back to the stone age than the Greenies.”

    NOBODY and I say it again, nobody will do a better job than the pagan worshipping communists-Marxists-Leninists-Maoists in drag!

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  43. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ stephieboy (1,531 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 10:00 am

    Arguing about the facts and evidence of a well known criminal case, and arguing about a verdict and who was responsible for a mass murder, is not anywhere near the same as calling someone out and providing your address details inciting violence.

    I have never given my address, or even my identity on this blog, let alone encouraged anyone to ‘visit’ me. You are being very desperate if you think the two are even remotely the same.

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  44. Steve (North Shore) (4,524 comments) says:

    The Nation – Lisa Owen.
    I would like to hear Nick Smith’s answers. STFU woman

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  45. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    @Steve

    TV3.
    You still watch that cr@p?
    Seriously, what do you expect?

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  46. muggins (3,306 comments) says:

    stephieboy,
    Yeah, Judith can certainly diss it out and when the Binnie report and Bain compensation were being discussed she went completely beserk if someone disagreed with her.
    And she used to contact Rowan and co to make sure there was someone to help her out.
    And it sure wasn’t lighthearted banter.
    Thank goodness that is all over now. No more posts about Binnie , no more posts about Bain’s compensation claim.
    The last thing that was of any note so far as the Bain saga is concerned was that defamation case that appears to have cost the instigator half a million bucks.

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  47. Steve (North Shore) (4,524 comments) says:

    Had enough now Other Andy. Switched the bitch off. Just another Labour political broadcast

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  48. wiseowl (832 comments) says:

    And Fairfax show their colours again with an appalling photo of Colin Craig in coverage of the Conservatives Bradford advert.

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  49. stephieboy (2,540 comments) says:

    Judith, I stand by my previous post and your claims withstanding. One of the gang of four, Rowan, described me as a “child fiddler ” and others were dished out equivalent kinds of vitriolic from your lot.
    Last night had nothing on it IMO

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  50. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ stephieboy (1,533 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 10:50 am

    And just because I happen to share the same opinion of who killed the Bains, as Rowan does, you are holding me responsible for the comment he made to you?

    I am not responsible for any comments anyone else makes on here, but my own.

    What people decide to call other people is not the issue I am complaining about.

    What I am complaining about is the blatant attempt to incite violence that occurred on this blog last night. It was not just name calling, but backed up with the issuing of addresses, giving it some severity.

    Tell me, how do you think it would reflect on Kiwiblog, if it appeared in the media that an ex-Act MP was supported by other Kiwiblog members in calling people out and inciting violence? Do you not think that the general public would not associate that behaviour (and the others involved) with Kiwiblogs administration, and in particular DPF – a well known John Key supporter? Do you not think that if someone wanted to, they could make an issue out of that behaviour and by association, relate it to two political parties.

    This is election year, the internet and bullying are big issues – as is violence – do you really think that behaving in such a manner on a political blog is appropriate and should be condoned, especially considering the example it sets, not to mention the potential if such behaviour is allowed to continue – to cause harm to others just by association?

    Stranger things happen in election years – if one side wishes to denigrate the other for their bad standards, they need to make sure their own are better.

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  51. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11265426

    Horan has made a series of allegations against his former NZ First colleagues, including:

    • Peters’ failure to declare a stake in a racehorse on his pecuniary interests file.

    NZ First used about $20,000 from its taxpayer-funded leader’s budget to buy the Vanguard “constituent management software”. Horan claims Vanguard is used to seek memberships and donations, which is against Parliament’s rules.

    • NZ First staff who are paid by Parliamentary Service are running the software, which is also against Parliament’s rules.

    Really. That should be quite interesting. Very easy to quickly and decisively establish truth or falsity on that one. I’m sure our balanced and insightful media minds are on the case already, already having made various OIA requests and the like, with the intent of publishing ‘all the news fit to print’ so the voters can make up their mind, before they go to the polls, to decide whether NZF is a fit partner in the leftist coalition.

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  52. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Yes Reid, I agree that all that should be made clear before Winston inks the coalition deal with National.

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  53. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Reid (15,774 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 11:13 am

    I think you left off the allegations against Horan, himself. The serious fraud office still continuing the investigation, for a prolonged period of time – not having thrown it out as ‘unsubstantiated’ yet?

    That in itself is very interesting.

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  54. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    I think you left off the allegations against Horan, himself.

    Only because they weren’t germane to the angle I took, but since you want to discuss them, my observation is that the allegations are not complicated rocket science and the police have had how many months – 15 or so? – to investigate, yet there is no conclusion. And of course, everyone knows it’s very difficult to go into an election if you have a cloud over your head, and who would benefit from maintaining that cloud over Horan or more particularly, who would not benefit by experiencing a significant loss of credibility given what they’ve been saying about him, if it turns out Horan isn’t guilty?

    Please note I don’t particularly support or not support Horan, it’s just he appears to be being subjected to political games, with the police as a pawn in them, and while I don’t find that surprising, I do find that interesting.

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  55. iMP (2,345 comments) says:

    The Conservatives’ cheeky ad featuring Sue Bradford in the Sun Star Times is a hoot. An opening salvo perhaps in a broader campaign? which, if this is anything to go by, involves humour, shaking things up a bit, and having some fun. Pretty trendy new logo.

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  56. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    ….” Pretty trendy new logo.”….

    Prefacing the same crap.

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  57. itstricky (1,699 comments) says:

    The Conservatives’ cheeky ad featuring Sue Bradford in the Sun Star Times is a hoot. An opening salvo perhaps in a broader campaign? which, if this is anything to go by, involves humour, shaking things up a bit, and having some fun. Pretty trendy new logo.

    We all know you’re a Conservative member – why try to pretend you’re a third party marvelling at the brillance of it all?

    What I thought was funnier was the Daily Blog cut ‘n’ paste of it. There was a line “it’s going to be a while before Key and Craig get together over a cup of luke warm milo…” Luke warm milo! Love it! Now that’s cheeky humor.

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  58. itstricky (1,699 comments) says:

    Pretty trendy new logo.

    It’s fairly…errrrr….convservative, isn’t it?

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  59. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    U.S. Gold Holdings Close To Zero

    http://survivalbackpack.us/u-s-gold-holdings-close-zero/

    Kirby goes on to predict, “Ultimately, we are going to get to a place where we will have no more choices. It will blow up. We are seeing cracks in the foundation of this fraud. . . . Gold and silver is your life insurance policy, and it isn’t going to come into its own until this current system breaks. I think we’re close to the current system breaking. . . . The way America is printing dollars, the dollar will absolutely go to zero.”

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  60. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    @ Judith – dad4j and bigbruv have hated each other’s guts for a long time. When they clash like that, it’s best just to leave them be.

    Anyway, dad’s likely to get banned again soon, and this time it’s likely to be at least a year.

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  61. Odakyu-sen (527 comments) says:

    The road toll over Queen’s Birthday weekend last year was 0, this year it is 5.

    Last year the authorities made a big deal out of the 0, citing it as proof that their policies were working.

    I am not so sure. I think a lot of these accidents are due to randomly occurring instances when people let their guard down for a critical split second, like that tourist who allegedly ran a stop sign in clear daylight and caused an accident that killed three people in South Canterbury.

    It’s really hard to verify whether blanket 5-km/h-over speed-ticketing campaigns work, when all of a sudden a car goes through a stop sign and takes out another vehicle somewhere out in the countryside, maybe on an isolated country road where you never see a cop.

    What can be done to combat these random, fleeting moments of inattentiveness?

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  62. Scott Chris (5,980 comments) says:

    It pales in significant compared to the effects of immigration on the well being of New Zealanders.

    So you’re happy for Peters to call Horan a pedophile under the cloak of parliamentary privilege, the lowest, most vile slur anyone can possibly utter.

    Shame, shame, shame!

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  63. Scott Chris (5,980 comments) says:

    UKIP is a liberal party

    If you advocate liberty for some but not for others you aren’t a liberal.

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  64. dad4justice (7,979 comments) says:

    Thanks for the vote of confidence Keeping Stock. Do have a nice day.

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  65. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    Evidence of Russian involvement (and lies about it) in Ukraine mounts.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27633117

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  66. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    Japan offers to perform regional security role

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27630604

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  67. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    The politics and economics of Russia and China gas deal.

    http://oilandenergyinvestor.com/2014/05/achilles-heel-russian-chinese-gas-deal/

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  68. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “Anyway, dad’s likely to get banned again soon, and this time it’s likely to be at least a year.”

    And if that happens it will be because spineless lickspittles have encouraged the coward Bigot Bruv to goad him.

    Bigot is a liar and a smearer. I’d take D4J’s random bursts of profanity over the constant vile mendacity of BB any day.

    This blog would be far better served by Bigot Bruv’s absence than by D4J’s.

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  69. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    The USA supports an increased regional security role for Japan and criticises China for destabilising the region.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27646223

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  70. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Evidence of Russian involvement (and lies about it) in Ukraine mounts.
    >
    What, you haven’t realised the US have been behind it all along and Russia is simply acting precisely the same as far more moderately than the US would be acting if Russia was doing to the US what the US is doing to it, say in Canada or in Mexico? How incredibly naive of you, SPC. Esp citing the Western MSM as if its not a disingenuous propaganda organisation. Don’t you know anything at all, about the world works?

    I suppose you think Libya and Syria were and are both gwasswoots upwisings in the name of democwacy too. Boy. Talk about dumb.

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  71. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    Your hero Putin been caught lying.

    Putin said they were not Russians, the 30 coffins went back across the border into Russia. The Chechans were sent into Ukraine by Russia.

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  72. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “U.S. Gold Holdings Close To Zero”

    Which is why Germany can’t get it’s gold back from the US.

    any nation with gold stored in the US has lost it.

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  73. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/has-the-next-recession-already-begun-for-americas-middle-class

    During the first quarter of 2014, earnings by major U.S. retailers missed estimates by the biggest margin in 13 years. The “retail apocalypse” continues to escalate, and the biggest reason for this is the fact that middle class consumers in the U.S. are tapped out. And this is not just happening to a few retailers – this is something that is happening across the board…

    …But plummeting retail sales are not the only sign that the U.S. middle class is really struggling right now. Home sales have also been extremely disappointing for quite a few months.

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  74. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ Keeping Stock (9,915 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 12:11 pm
    Actually KS, it wasn’t those two whose actions I was concerned about. It was the actions of ‘calling someone out’ and then providing addresses that concerned me. Name calling, tiffs, and so on are part and parcel of the internet. Stupid and immature, and a bad look, however, unlikely to cause physical harm. But when a person takes it serious enough to actually give their address – then I’m sorry, it is unacceptable, and reduces this blog to a low standard if it is allowed to continue. Whilst none of the parties concerned may have acted on that information, you do not know who else with a grudge might be looking on, and any subsequent action would reflect directly back to this blog, and the people this blog supports.

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  75. stephieboy (2,540 comments) says:

    Am intrigue to know how using gold or a gold standard will magically fix the US economy.? This given the fact that the value of a nations currency is determined by it’s GDP i.e the sum total of it’s productive wealth (N Z Agriculture,Horti,Viti culture, Forestry ,Fisheries etc,etc.)
    Reid, there is plenty of evidence that the uprisings in Libya and Syria were caused by their leaders ( Al Assad and the Colonel )unwilling to compromise and negotiate with the protesters instead of shooting them!

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  76. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Am intrigue to know how using gold or a gold standard will magically fix the US economy.

    This despite me giving you the answer to that question weeks ago, in a format you can sit back and watch, using language a child can understand. Here it is again. Either watch it and educate yourself, or accept you just don’t want to be told the answer to your question, live happily in your ignorant crapulence and don’t pretend to others on this blog you know what you’re talking about because you’ve looked into it. If you go to the uploaders youtube site, you’ll find an earlier one in the series that explains the difference between currency and money, which will more directly answer your specific question, but this episode is also an essential backgrounder.

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  77. Odakyu-sen (527 comments) says:

    SPC

    Shinzo Abe is a hawk (I remember when his father was the prime minister). His grandfather was also prime minister, but that was before my time.

    I believe the Japanese government want to take a more active role in their defense, and the Americans will probably be happy to have the Japanese shoulder more of the costs involved.

    Japan is incredibly vulnerable to conventional attack (with so many of the vital arteries and infrastructure on the narrow strip of land on the Pacific coast running down along the island of Honshu). A couple of well-placed bombs to bring down their elevated highways, railways and power lines, and the country would be hamstrung.

    Hopefully if the Japanese can get through the next couple of decades until their demographics stabilize, they will be in time to watch the Chinese population suffer the same kinds of problems the Japanese are facing now, and may be in a position to help them.

    Japan and China (and the Korean peninsula) have so much more to gain if they can cooperate rather than try to beat each other up. They have an incredible amount of talent and human resources between them.

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  78. stephieboy (2,540 comments) says:

    Reid, I will sincerely undertake to watch it but will stop it starts to drift into techno economic babble as is the case with Conspiracy based monetary theory.
    I can safely assume it agrees with the common sense observation that the value of a nations currency is directly related to it’s productive wealth – GDP.?
    A return to e.g the gold standard would not change this fact one iota.IMO.

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  79. stigie (1,004 comments) says:

    “The Nation – Lisa Owen.
    I would like to hear Nick Smith’s answers. STFU woman”

    But to be fair Steve that bitch talked right over Twatford as well !~

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  80. Viking2 (11,281 comments) says:

    So it got a bit rough in Ekatahuna last night.
    A man who died in Eketahuna after crashing his car in the Tararua town allegedly drove off from a party because his wife had said she wanted to leave him.

    A man in his mid-30s, crashed into a power pole on the corner of Herbert St and Alfredton Rd, Eketahuna, about 10:30pm yesterday.

    Acting Central District road policing manager Kris Burbery said the man had been at a party, where he got into an argument, left, drove 600m down the road and crashed into a power pole.

    ”Initial indications suggest that alcohol and speed are two factors that have caused this tragic and totally preventable crash.”

    Despite first aid being given the man died at the scene.

    An Eketahuna woman told the Manawatu Standard the man had been drinking at the Eketahuna Rugby clubrooms at the time.

    The club was celebrating its 125th jubilee this weekend, but the man was not a member, she said.’

    He was angry at the time because he had been told his wife wanted to leave him.

    ”He did big donuts down the driveway and skidded all the way down the road.”

    The Police Serious Crash Unit were investigating.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10108844/Man-dies-after-crashing-car-metres-from-party

    naaska country.

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  81. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Good article on the gas agreement between Russia and China outlining some of the antagonistic history now being overcome as a direct result of the idiotic strategy being played out in Ukraine courtesy of the moronic WhiteHouse neocons to whom Obama has handed US foreign policy over to and who, of course, are now f***ing it up just as badly as they did when Bush 43 let them play with Iraq. Anyone would think they were doing it on purpose, but of course, that’s just a conspiwacy theowy. Too bad (for the US and the world) that their influence in the WhiteHouse isn’t also a theory, isn’t it.

    http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930304000962

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  82. stigie (1,004 comments) says:

    Good god….what next is going to happen in Ekatahuna ?

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  83. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    There was a big accident there a while ago between a govt rural delivery mail contractor and an old lady too. The govt contractor admitted total liability.

    Nasska knows a bit about it.

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  84. stephieboy (2,540 comments) says:

    Reid, stop posting conspiracy babble re Neo cons ,possibly Jews and Obama having a direct hand in and creating the Ukraine crises .
    Your cabal were not involved in the same way in Libya, Syria , Egypt etc too.You either watch to much Kremlin based RT Propaganda or Conspiracy sites like Global “research ” or Infowars etc including state sponsored Irannnews agency .
    Yours is all Conspiracy buff stuff.

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  85. ShawnLH (4,441 comments) says:

    “Too bad (for the US and the world) that their influence in the WhiteHouse isn’t also a theory, isn’t it.”

    There are no, I repeat for the slow and dim witted, NO Neo-conservatives in the Obama admin.

    Unless of course you mean Jews.

    Being a gullible and easily led dupe of Russian propaganda is not something to be proud of.

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  86. PhilP (159 comments) says:

    Hey Reddy baiter I think that was all nasska’s fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  87. dime (9,668 comments) says:

    I was just listening to some ad on zb. some shit head couple talking about something they had done to the house.

    the chick “our house is now complete”
    the guy “it would be if there was a boat in the driveway”
    the chick laughs and says “keep dreaming”.

    im just curious, do any of you poor bastards live that way? where your wife would laugh at you and tell you you couldnt spend money on something you wanted?

    why dont we ever hear ads where those roles are reversed?

    its the little things that piss dime off

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  88. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Yes, the little things piss me off too, like commenters on blogs referring to themselves in the third person.

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  89. SGA (959 comments) says:

    dime at 3:58 pm

    why dont we ever hear ads where those roles are reversed?

    Might sound a little odd – can’t imagine a wife saying she wanted a boat in the driveway. Anything’s possible, of course.

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  90. lilman (931 comments) says:

    Judith,you labour whore,lol,you can’t help show your hatred for the right,little labour minion,you say one thing ,but deep down we know you love DC.

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  91. dime (9,668 comments) says:

    Mike – good! Karma for all of your inane posts that piss most of us off. Posts made while you’re drawing a wage paid for by us.

    Sga – use your imagination. Think of something expensive a chick would want, then think of an ad where the guy laughs at her and says as if.. Pretty sure that would be interpreted as abuse by many.

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  92. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I’m not sure what my wages have to do with anything on Kiwiblog, but, whatever.

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  93. SGA (959 comments) says:

    dime at 4:46 pm

    Sga – use your imagination…

    dime – use your sense of humour…

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  94. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    My missus told me she hated me coming home smelling of ewe’s and not putting food on the table.

    I started killing them afterward and now she want’s me to bring cookery books so she’ll know what to do with a Frenched rack!

    Some folk are never satisfied. :)

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  95. goldnkiwi (1,179 comments) says:

    Judith (6,407 comments) says:

    June 1st, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    Good of you to remind us of ‘some’ who lurk here. Of course I believe they already have your address, you being so close and all. Good of you to remind us of the wolf at the door.

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  96. ShawnLH (4,441 comments) says:

    Yup, definitely a brilliant piece of political humor! Not to mention a slap in the face for Sykes, Minto and Harre! Nicely done :)

    “The Conservative Party has a new, unwilling poster child – radical Left-winger Sue Bradford.

    In a week of strange political bedfellows, Colin Craig’s Conservative Party has run a full-page picture of Bradford and praised her for her principled stance in leaving the Mana Party over its new alliance with Kim Dotcom.

    The full-page advertisement on page B15 of today’s Sunday Star-Times carries a huge picture of the veteran politician and the headline “Nice one SUE”.

    The text below says that while Bradford and the Conservatives “couldn’t be further apart on the political spectrum”, the party admires Bradford as someone who “stands up for what they believe in”.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10108261/Craig-compliment-a-Right-game-Bradford

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  97. Steve (North Shore) (4,524 comments) says:

    Hey Johnboy, can you attract Judith’s attention, so she does not get waylayed by Big Bruv and D4J and Linda from the Strandard?
    I would, but I have no sheep, goats or whatever you have on farms (country boy gone city)

    Thanks, Steve (North Shore) with two boats

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  98. ShawnLH (4,441 comments) says:

    istricky opines:

    “There was a line “it’s going to be a while before Key and Craig get together over a cup of luke warm milo…” Luke warm milo! Love it! Now that’s cheeky humor.”

    You need to watch more comedy. That’s neither particularly offensive nor particularly funny, just kinda boring.

    Still. considering how humorless the modern Left tends to be I’m not surprised they are not very good at it.

    On the other hand Craig’s use of Bradford to, quite rightly, mock the lefty sellouts joining IMP, was pure hilarious brilliance.

    Disclaimer for the dim-witted: I’m voting National.

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  99. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    I read all that shit earlier Steve. I don’t think I want to attract a 25.5 BMI chick with a 500 BMI complex! :)

    She’d frighten the horse’s! :)

    Why don’t you take her sailing on one of your boats?

    Use the one without lifejackets! :)

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  100. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    …”Disclaimer for the dim-witted: I’m voting National.”…..

    See…..I knew you were coming right. :)

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  101. srylands (392 comments) says:

    So the Greens want a carbon tax at NZD 25 per tonne of CO2e. When the current market price is about $5 per tonne.

    So they will force New Zealanders to pay 5x the market price to reduce carbon emissions.

    Just because they want to.

    Fantastic :-(

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  102. SPC (5,473 comments) says:

    A half rate for farmers $12.50 and an exemption for meat farming – the revenue dispersed via a 1 % cut to company tax and the first $2000 being exempt from income tax. Also a $12.50 credit per tonne for forestry.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11265690

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  103. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    So they will force New Zealanders to pay 5x the market price to reduce carbon emissions.

    I’m looking forward to our astute onto-it Fourth Estate forcing this admission from the reluctant Belamites and detailing the precise economic implications of their very latest insanity during the election debates srylands.

    I really really am. Of course they’ll have to fit it in between talking about the latest wisdom from “celebrities” such as Lucy Lawless and weeding out all the Liarbore and Bedlamite fifth columnists who’ve cleverly embedded themselves deep within their very anatomy like a tumour, but I’m sure that they’ll manage to do all of that while fully discharging their sacred duty during this critically important election discussion.

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  104. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    @srylands

    So what are you going to do, vote National?
    Wrote to my local (National) MP to ask why National is keeping the ETS.

    He couldn’t give me a straight answer.
    At least the ‘Greens’ are honest about their cluelessness.

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  105. goldnkiwi (1,179 comments) says:

    dime (9,022 comments) says:

    June 1st, 2014 at 3:58 pm
    I feel the same way about the Export 33 ads. ;)

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  106. goldnkiwi (1,179 comments) says:

    What is a Belamite? I know what a belemnite is.

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  107. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Someone who can only eat kiddie meals at Bellamys perhaps goldnkiwi? :)

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  108. Johnboy (15,586 comments) says:

    Hint: Who do we know who has had the stomach staple! :)

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  109. Ross12 (1,279 comments) says:

    I listened to the Greens announcement on their carbon tax idea on TV1. I concluded they are totally confused ( I’m being nice!)
    1. They say per head of population we are 5th highest emiters of CO2.
    2. They say the ETS doesn’t work so need a Carbon Tax
    3. Tax on companies with emissions but company tax will go down 1%
    4. Tax to be $25/tonne , meat farmers 12.5%
    5. Expect cost to be passed onto consumers
    6. So first $2000 is tax free to compensate
    7. So everyone is better off
    8. Dirty dairy farmers must pay.

    So where is this helping the environment — charge a tax , expect costs to be passed so no incentive to reduce emissions because cost can be recovered.
    Income from tax is given away –ie wealth redistribution. No money goes to environmental issues.
    Some how “dirty dairying” gets pulled into the issue of emissions –I thought their problems with dairy farming “pollution” was to do with water quality.
    As mentioned above the international “carbon” price is below $5 and recently the EU had to scramble to put a floor under their price to stop their system collapsing.
    Message to Norman — carbon taxes and other variants of them don’t work and are yesterdays game. Everyone else is moving on. This scam has run its coarse and the lastest is sugar taxes.

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  110. OneTrack (2,822 comments) says:

    srylands – “Just because they want to.”

    But they will be solving any unemployment problem overnight with the ministry they will have to set up to administer it all.

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  111. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    Disclaimer for the dim-witted: I’m voting National.

    It’s your disclaimer, because its attached to your comment. So are you trying to tell us you’re dim-witted?

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  112. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ goldnkiwi (757 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    Perhaps its a new product to compete with Marmite and Vegemite?

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  113. srylands (392 comments) says:

    “A half rate for farmers $12.50 and an exemption for meat farming .. blah blah”

    Yeah I can read too.

    Why those numbers? If we must reduce carbon emissions, we should pay the world price. Anything higher is not efficient. If there are problems revealing the world price, work to do that through promoting efficient carbon markets.

    If as a country we don’t want to reduce emissions we should do nothing.

    If we must reduce emissions we should use an ETS with maximum international linkages.

    A carbon tax with no international linkages is just another tax.

    Introducing a $2,000 tax free threshold just reduces the efficiency of the income tax system.

    There is nothing good about this announcement. It will do nothing for climate change. It is bad policy. It will reduce New Zealand’s prosperity.

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  114. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    What is a Belamite?

    It’s my new name for the Gweens gk.

    Bedlamite.

    from Bedlam.

    After the sign I’m pretty sure they have above their Parliamentary Caucus room.

    I’m told this is a photo of an actual caucus session, smuggled out to me by a party insider.

    Looks familiar?

    Exactly.

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  115. RF (1,345 comments) says:

    I understand the green criminal Zena Lawless was flown to the Greens Conference to give a lecture about carbon footprints.

    I just do not believe these wankers. Bloody hypocrites…. I guess you have to blame the Commie Aussie and the bull frog who want senior positions in the Labour line up should they get in.

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  116. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    nasska (10,019 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 6:36 pm
    …”Disclaimer for the dim-witted: I’m voting National.”…..

    See…..I knew you were coming right

    psst … when someone addresses an announcement to the ‘dim witted’ don’t answer it as if it was addressed to you! :P

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  117. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    @srylands

    “It will do nothing for climate change.”

    You think you can do something to prevent the climate from changing?
    Let me know how..
    People stopping the climate from changing would be a first in four and a half billion years.

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  118. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    I count it as a small sacrifice Judith. :)

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  119. srylands (392 comments) says:

    ” They say the ETS doesn’t work so need a Carbon Tax”

    So identify what is wrong and fix it.

    Making New Zealanders pay 5x the market price for reducing emissions is economic vandalism.

    Lets try an analogy. Let’s say that the Government announced that we were all going to pay 5x the market price for medicines. Because it is “unfair” that we are paying so little for drugs. How would that go down?

    Back to the carbon tax. Carbon taxes only work when they BITE. They are designed to hurt energy consumers. If they don’t, they are pointless. Who hurts the most? The poor. So this is working in exactly the opposite direction to NZ Power.

    So bear with me.

    NZ Power is going to fuck up the electricity market. It is justified by Labour because energy prices are too high.

    The Carbon Tax will destroy the emissions market. It is justified by the Greens because energy prices are too low.

    Welcome to your new energy world under a Left Government.

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  120. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    The environmentalists are up in arms again, saying that if things continue as they are now the Hutt Valley & much of South Auckland will be completely under water within 20 years.

    So I’ve decided to do my bit to help.

    I’ve left the Landcruiser idling while I un-insulate the house.

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  121. goldnkiwi (1,179 comments) says:

    Reid (15,789 comments) says:

    June 1st, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    A belemnite is a Jurassic fossil, so my confusion was understandable ;) lol

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  122. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Yes I apologise for my mis-spelling in the original post gk. I promise to do better next time (unlike the Bedlamites, who just can’t help it).

    But come to think, it’s very synchronistic isn’t it, that nomenclature coincidence. Let’s hope the Nats pick it up and run it in the opening campaign ad. I’m sure they will…

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  123. Fletch (6,151 comments) says:

    It looks like that American solider that Obama swapped for 5 Taliban leaders may have gone AWOL on purpose, and may even be a traitor, according to those he served with. A fellow soldier has done a large Twitter stream explaining what happened.

    Some highlights below, but it’s worth reading the entire thing. He starts off with –

    <—- Fuck what you I heard. I was there.

    — c (@CodyFNfootball) May 31, 2014

    “What [Bergdahl] was portraying to his family and what was happening in real life were polar opposites”

    “[Bergdahl] did say ‘If deployment is lame, I’m going to get lost in the Mountains and make my way to China’ starting to see what we are dealing with?”

    “Why would someone pack all of there [sic] belongings and send them home in the middle of a 12 month deployment? Hmmmm”

    “So we now have Pre-Meditated Desertion at this point, yes?”

    Teams were immediately kicked out into surrounding area to look for B. I can’t not describe the intensity

    Our PLT came upon some children, they asked him have they seen an American.

    The children said “yes, he was crawling on his belly through weeds and acting funny a while ago”

    http://soopermexican.com/2014/06/01/american-soldier-who-served-with-bowe-bergdahl-casts-doubt-on-official-story-fears-reprisal-from-obama-administration/

    It looks like the guy purposely deserted – went AWOL – and may even be a traitor. And this is the guy Obama just exchanged 5 dangerous Afghan Gitmo detainees for.

    Oh, and his father tweeted, “I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners. God will repay for the death of every Afghan child. Amen” The tweet has since been deleted, but a capture was taken.

    http://soopermexican.com/2014/06/01/father-of-american-soldier-freed-from-taliban-deletes-a-very-disturbing-tweet/

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  124. Judith (8,460 comments) says:

    @ nasska (10,021 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 8:00 pm

    There are parts of the Hutt Valley that would be better off underwater.

    I’ve txt Norman and reported your blatant disregard for the environment in leaving your landrover running.
    Be afraid, be very afraid!!

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  125. publicwatchdog (2,293 comments) says:

    Congratulations Judith for your principled stand on a number of issues.

    In my considered opinion, Justice Wylie will ensure that ‘justice is done and is seen to be done’ and will deliver a
    shock and awe’ verdict on Thursday 5 June 2014 in the John Banks electoral fraud case, that will remind those at the highest levels of political power in NZ, that they are not a form of ‘protected species’ to which the ‘rule of law’ does not apply.

    We shall see!

    So far – so good.

    I predicted that this case would go to trial.

    (How many so-called ‘experts’ and ‘commentators’ correctly predicted that?)

    I also predicted that Justice Wylie would make his verdict within 2 weeks (- it will be one week, unless there are unforeseen complications.)

    There are a number of folk who seem to think that John Banks will not be convicted.

    Having been to the Auckland High Court every day of this trial, and heard most of the evidence – I would say – ‘dream on’!

    In my view the most compelling evidence was the 2 hour audio of the Police recorded interview with John Banks.

    Neither Graham McCready nor myself expected that evidence to be produced in Court – which was – in my considered opinion, quite damning.

    ‘Nothing to hide – nothing to fear’?

    So – why didn’t John Banks take the stand?

    Oh – because Crown Solicitor Paul Dacre QC would have barbecued him under cross-examination?

    This will be an historic and unprecedented Court case, in my view, and a very long time coming …..

    Penny Bright

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  126. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    I see the Lefty’s crying and wailing on TV tonight wanting Ultimate Fighting and Combat Sports banned…
    Personally I think Combat Sports are great- Imagine D4J, Big Bruv, Redbaiter and Judith going ‘hammer and tongs’ in the ring? Last man standing etc…
    *Though I should add I am strictly a Queensberry Rules man myself should anyone wish to challenge me..

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  127. dad4justice (7,979 comments) says:

    Haha big blouse bruv would go down faster than a cold can of Speights.
    Queensberry rules would stuff up a keyboard coward.

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  128. RF (1,345 comments) says:

    Judith is in deep shit now. Penny Dim has just supported her @ 8.36pm. That her street Cred gone….

    Back to her knitting and watching Days of our Lives.

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  129. stigie (1,004 comments) says:

    Penny, please dont pay your rates !~

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  130. nasska (10,912 comments) says:

    Judith

    By the drowning of South Auckland & the Hutt Valley we will have made a worthy sacrifice to Gaia…..consequently we’ll probably qualify for a few brownie points & an arseload of carbon credits.

    Fire up the V8! :)

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  131. Scott Chris (5,980 comments) says:

    Well Andy there is a theory that Dinosaur Farts caused catastrophic global warming so mankind isn’t first in that respect.

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  132. kowtow (7,953 comments) says:

    Hundreds if not thousands of western born or “integrated” Muslim men have travelled to Syria to fight against Assad.

    These are the people Obama, Hollande and Camoron want to back ,arm and assist.

    Then they,the political elites ,wonder why rational ,sensible westerners have no faith in their leaders and their foreign adventures.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644895/The-British-Bin-Laden-House-Fraser-trainee-unmasked-sadistic-Al-Qaeda-killer.html#comments

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  133. MT_Tinman (3,054 comments) says:

    Longknives (4,145 comments) says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 8:41 pm
    Imagine D4J, Big Bruv, Redbaiter and Judith going ‘hammer and tongs’ in the ring? Last man standing etc…

    Big Bruv is a big, rather fast man.

    He would clean up bedwetter and the Oxford nutter without breaking a sweat but I admit I’d worry about him v Judith, having to spot her 100 lb or so.

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  134. Other_Andy (2,515 comments) says:

    Fletch at 8:32 pm

    Looks like there is more to the story than the lamstream media lets on.

    Sounds like dad has also converted to islam or is at least a sympethiser.

    The 5 prisoners released by the US are Khair Ulla Said Wali Khairkhwa, Mullah Mohammad Fazl, Mullah Norullah Nori, Abdul Haq Wasiq and Mohammad Nabi Omari.
    All Taleban bigwigs.
    Big price to pay……

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  135. dad4justice (7,979 comments) says:

    Who is the “Oxford nutter” Tinny?

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  136. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    the chick “our house is now complete”
    the guy “it would be if there was a boat in the driveway”
    the chick laughs and says “keep dreaming”.

    dime @ 3:58pm . . .

    I just want to check . . .

    Without having heard that and going off your retelling of it – I could hear that one of a few ways. (1) Keep dreaming – as in – we’re not doing that because I don’t want to do it. But also (2) Keep dreaming because we’ll never be able to afford it or have other things to spend money on etc (3) Keep dreaming because I know that it’s a pie in the sky sort of half-hearted desire – one of those things you talk about without any serious intention. Or (4) simply on-air banter – which is more about directing how you want to come across to people listening. Communication is often less about content and more about how people come across.

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  137. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The Forest and Bird anti-progress moaners support their Luddite masters:
    But Forest and Bird says it’s a fair go and greenhouse gas-emitting industries should pay for their pollution.

    “It’s a clear and simple system under which those who pollute have to pay – its the best way to reduce that pollution,” said advocacy manager Kevin Hackwell.

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8853619/greens-carbon-tax-runs-into-trouble

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  138. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Life of a weight watcher (who is way under target therefore enjoying new off-diet options). . .

    Latest discovery is ‘lite coconut cream’. (WTF is the diff between coconut cream and milk ? Ingredients both say coconut milk – hmmmm).

    I’m now buying tins and tins of it. Combine with dessert powder for butterscotch coconut heaven. $2.60 total. Scoop into piehole using stick sweets from dairy. 10c each. Also good with porridge. Simply irresistible. I love coconut flavour – now I can have it for a very reasonable 238kj / 100mls.

    Also – looking at every nutritional label of meal simmer sauces / pasta bakes etc. Flavour flavour flavour !! Sweet apricot on special got me eating chicken again. Also good with home made potato chips (and I’m only getting better at making those – shit are they ever good). 200-300kj / 100g is completely doable. Upwards of 350kj ? – would have to give you a Big O just looking at the packaging to even consider.

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