Cameron Slater and the media

August 30th, 2014 at 3:11 pm by David Farrar

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This is the e-mail released by the PM’s Office. Obviously it has impacted Judith Collins, but if you read the whole thing you’ll see it backs something I have said consistently.

Cameron deals with a huge range of people, including Labour MPs, Green MPs, and almost every organisation in NZ. The book only showed you his interactions with people associated with National, but this e-mail includes  contact with no less than four different journalists. One specific quote:

I am maintaining daily communications with at the Herald and he is passing information directly to me that the Herald can’t run and so are feeding me to run on the blog.

Now let me say again that what Cam says in an e-mail is his interpretation of events. I regard Jared Savage as an excellent investigative reporter. But the e-mail does lead to questions being asked. How is media giving Cam stories, different to a press secretary doing so?

Now again what Cam has written is his interpretation. It may not be the literal truth of what Jared was doing. But here’s the thing – you need to be consistent. If you accept everything in the e-mails written by Cam as the literal truth, then the was feeding stories to Whale Oil, which they could not run in their newspaper. If you do not accept those e-mails as the literal truth, then why would you accept the ones about interactions with people in National as the literal truth?

Is the Herald going to say that everything Cameron wrote about his dealings with us is incorrect, yet everything else is correct?

Will other media subject Herald reporters and editors to the same level of inquiry that they have subjected others named in the hacked e-mails to?

As I said I have high regard for Jared Savage. The point I am making is consistency.

 

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186 Responses to “Cameron Slater and the media”

  1. mjw (399 comments) says:

    The more important question is this: who was the paymaster for the campaign against the head of the SFO? And why?

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  2. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    I note David Fisher wrote an article entitled “My history with Cameron Slater” a few days ago.

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  3. wellygirl (10 comments) says:

    dpf, on the NZ Herald claims, Tim Murphy has already tweeted that they are ‘fanciful’, so I wonder if that means that other claims in other emails are also ‘fanciful’, and if so, how can NZ Herald continue to report them. This situation is getting very messy for all involved, I wonder how many nervous people there are about in the media and in politics.

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  4. Viking2 (11,561 comments) says:

    Dirty Politics author Nicky Hager today revealed Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater was hacked because the hacker ‘‘thought he was a p****’’.

    A packed room at the WORD Christchurch festival was silent as Hager described secretly meeting the hacker and Dirty Politics source in public parks, convincing him not to release his information over Twitter.

    Hager was one of three panelists at the festival’s Secrets, Spies and Free Speech public discussion this morning, chaired by The Press editor Joanna Norris.

    Unsurprisingly, the event sold out.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10442363/Hagers-relationship-with-hacker-revealed

    ‘I know him [the hacker] well now, and I trust him,’’ he said. ‘‘His motivation was that Cameron Slater was a bastard and we’ll do him over.’’

    ‘‘The reason he attacked him was he thought he was a p****.’’

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  5. metcalph (1,433 comments) says:

    Tim Murphy called the email fanciful and said they broke two stories on Feeley, none of which was sourced from Whale Oil. But didn’t respond when I asked him about Jared Savage.

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  6. SW (241 comments) says:

    She ‘resigned’ before this story was even in the media – the point you are making is utterly stupid spin.

    It has only impacted Judith Collins because of National, not the national media.

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  7. PBJ83 (28 comments) says:

    The difference couldn’t be clearer. Journalists aren’t elected. They’re not ministers and no minister is responsible for their conduct. The Prime Minister is responsible for his office and his Minsters. His Ministers are responsible for their conduct.

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  8. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Desperate days for the left. Their hatred for John Key as the man who displaced their beloved Helen has reached it’s peak.

    They cannot accept that he can match her record and get three terms as well.

    Every dirty trick in their book is being brought into play. Hold strong folks only three weeks to go! :)

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  9. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (894 comments) says:

    I think this incident is the end of John Key. Welcome to the dark days of rule by the left mafia.

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  10. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    Don’t you feel guilty that they used your Godhead to train Turtle to look half sensible Sir Cullen? :)

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  11. Andrew M (51 comments) says:

    Out of malice or incompetence Slater documented serious allegations against a senior National minister. Private or not, it’s a fucking email, doesn’t he have any IT smarts?

    As someone who doesn’t worship at the altar of Whaleoil, and doesn’t want a Lab/Green/Whatever government, I think that’s a fucking appalling turn of events.

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  12. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    DPF, I assume you’re asking for consistency with your tongue in your cheek?

    The left are incapable of it, and their mates in the media are just as bad.

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  13. mjw (399 comments) says:

    Who is this ‘left’ you keep referring to? Anybody who disagrees with you?

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  14. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    Sorry mjw, I obviously gave you too much credit to be able to work out that I’m referring to the Gimp coalition, or pretty much everyone trying to take down the government. I have plenty of disagreements with people who also support what the government have been doing, but nice attempt at a snide little aside, you should work for the Herald.

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  15. V (745 comments) says:

    Is this related in some way?

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/08/new-zealand-prime-minister-john-key-the-whale-oil-blog-and-international-organized-crime.html

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  16. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (894 comments) says:

    Left Rule = Cunliffe + Norman (Turei) + Crim DotCon + Winston Peters + Hone with Education Minister Minty Minto.

    Even if John Key is Kim Jong-Un in disguise, two ticks for National. I can never vote for a party that promises to raise tax.

    However, with an orchestrated attack on John Key started by Crim Dotcon and with the compliant media, the only way John Key can survive is if people completely ignore the media and trust John Key.

    If the reports that are coming about John Key’s visit to Lower Hutt (Labour territory) are of any indication, John Key will romp home in this election for sure.

    My message is gather your family, friends – go and give two ticks for National. Any country with Minty Minto as education minister is not worth living in.

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  17. Jaffa (97 comments) says:

    The Nasty party have got rid of John Banks, Judith Collins, and are probably after John Key next.

    We could soon have Greens, Labour, Mana, Internet Party, United Future, running the Country!

    Welcome to MMP!

    Vote National for Heaven’s sake!

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  18. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    I’m trying to distract my family Sir Cullen, most of them are rusted on. Am I borderline interfering with democracy by not telling my partner where to special vote in Melbourne?

    Edit: Sadly she’s smart enough to work it out for herself – just not smart enough to actually go and read the Greens policies before she votes for them. I guarantee if she did, she wouldn’t vote for them with her outlook on life. Is that how they get all their votes? People don’t care enough to find out what they’re really about?

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  19. mjw (399 comments) says:

    Zapper – ah, I see, it’s the rules of propaganda then. First, lump all your opponents together. Second, demonise them in public opinion. Third, form a lynch mob.

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  20. coolas (115 comments) says:

    “If you do not accept those e-mails as the literal truth, then why would you accept the ones about interactions with people in National as the literal truth?”

    What is ‘literal truth?’ That sentence is so desperate. Spin all you like but the truth is Cam Slater was used by National and compliant media, and Collins, his old mate, was up to her neck in orchestrating and conniving.

    ‘Literal truth.’ Thanks for the laugh.

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  21. mjw (399 comments) says:

    Jaffa, if you won’t protect your freedom, you don’t deserve to have any. There is something rotten in the government and we need a spring clean or it will just get worse and worse. There is only one credible alternative. Party vote Labour !

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  22. Kimbo (1,048 comments) says:

    As I said I have high regard for Jared Savage. The point I am making is consistency.

    There is a consistency about leaking. It is ok, as long as you don’t get caught.

    The public, in the main, suspect and rightly know that politicians and media are in a mutually beneficial relationship of feeding one another, using one another, and demonising one another as it suits their purposes.

    However, the public rightly decides that where leakers are exposed, it shows a lack of competence. We are not allowed to see the puppet strings.

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  23. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “There is only one credible alternative. Party vote Labour !”

    What a cunt of an idea.

    The only thing more bloody boring than a Labour Party party would be a Green Party party! :)

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  24. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    scs – “I can never vote for a party that promises to raise tax.”

    I could vote for a party that promises to raise tax. That would only be if I was confident that they wouldn’t simply flush that money down the toilet and trash our economy, turning us into the latest Greece within 6 months.

    GLIMP doesn’t pass that test.

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  25. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    mjw, what are you smoking? I’m commenting on a blog with my personal opinion, not demonising them in public, and how the hell did you draw the conclusion I’m rounding up a lynch mob?

    Is blatantly lying part of your propaganda war? Don’t worry, that’s rhetorical.

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  26. mjw (399 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  27. marleybob (13 comments) says:

    I just want to thank Whaleoil for making it a lot more difficult for JK and National to keep power. Your an idiot Slater, If I didn’t know better I would think tour a Cunliffe stooly.

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  28. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    coolas – “Spin all you like but the truth is Cam Slater was used by National and compliant media, and Collins, his old mate, was up to her neck in orchestrating and conniving.”

    So what. Isn’t this what all parties do? The answer is yes, they do. Which law has been broken, apart from the hard left hacking into an email account? There haven’t been any charges laid against Whaleoil, so I am assuming he didn’t break any laws. I haven’t seen any charges being raised by the left-wing avenger McCready, against Judith Collins, so I assume she didn’t break any laws.

    So what is all the whining about? Must Get Key. Must Get Key ……..

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  29. Boris Piscina (53 comments) says:

    So an email from one person who isn’t Judith Collins, to another person who isn’t Judith Collins, makes the claim that Judith Collins is “gunning” for yet another person who isn’t her.

    It is vague inuendo at best and subject to as much interpretation as any other colloquial term. It is without detail, explanation, or substantiation.

    How does this get to be a hanging offence??

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  30. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    Who is this right you keep referring to? ;)

    I do not believe a lynch mob is being rounded up on the right, but the last few weeks there has certainly been a lynch mob. This doesn’t mean I don’t think there should be a response.

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  31. rangitoto (248 comments) says:

    Why does anyone think there is a hacker.

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  32. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    “I would think tour a Cunliffe stooly.”

    Heh Mon. You a graduate of de liarbour college of very low standard mon? :)

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  33. Gravelroad (161 comments) says:

    Mmmmmm, as a member of the great unwashed – aka peasant classes – whose credibility is likely to shine brighter here?
    An all-knowing, gossip obsessed, self appointed conspiracy blogger who is not subject to accountability and the rigours of the ballot box?
    Or a senior cabinet minister – in either a Labour or Nat government?
    Some of us out here still have, on balance, a bit of respect for our elected representatives and the positions they hold. Naive ay.

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  34. Richard (82 comments) says:

    Jared Savage must be feeling pretty ill right now.

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  35. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    Boris – “How does this get to be a hanging offence??”

    Because the left-wing, especially the left-wing MSM, are running out of “game-changers” and running out of time before the election. Hence, anything, no matter how miniscule gets blown out of all proportion.

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  36. niggly (831 comments) says:

    Zapper – ah, I see, it’s the rules of propaganda then. First, lump all your opponents together. Second, demonise them in public opinion. Third, form a lynch mob.

    Lol mjw – that’s exactly the Left’s modus operandi in relation to the “Dirty Politics” book:

    First lump all your opponents together: Slater, Collins, John Key, National, people that comment at WO/KB etc). CHECK!
    Second demonise them in public opinion: CHECK!
    Third form a lynch mob (fed by hysterical MSM): CHECK!

    So self-projecting are we? Hmmm seems you seem quite adept in the art and craft of the Left’s Dirty Politics playbook!

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  37. SW (241 comments) says:

    One-track – are you aware that Collin’s resigned before this was made public?

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  38. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    It is a beat-up by the media.
    The ‘Greens’, Mana and Dotcon are a side-show.
    Happily playing their part though.
    But it is the MSM that is leading the fight.
    Cam Slater encroached on their turf.
    The MSM, especially Fairfax and Mediaworks (Still in financial trouble?) , has been running with this ‘dirty politics’ story for weeks. Fanning the flames.
    They are trying desperately not to look like the dying media they are.

    Will it change who I vote for?
    Will it change who 99% of the voters vote for?
    Nope, it will not….
    It will only harden my resolve.

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  39. oldpark (373 comments) says:

    Wonder will they make Hager the next Chief Justice of Supreme Court.After all whatever he says is law,the police and the justice system say nothing, and any one who sells stolen hacked private emails are making big money out of the blatant theft.Sian Elias term is almost up .Hager the arse hole in an earlier time,allegedly attempted to sell out the NZ to a foreign power, by getting them to block NZ Exports.Seems suspected treason is all forgiven, including HAGER the so called “greenie” gangster.Such vile corruption,by so called upstanding NZ CITIZENS.allowing such crooked dealings to emulate the time that Clarks Labour Government stole $800,000 and when found out ,backdated the law to make the theft legitimate

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  40. Kimbo (1,048 comments) says:

    @ Richard

    Jared Savage must be feeling pretty ill right now.

    Why?

    The MSM are in a mutually agreed oligoplogy, where they do not hold one another’s indiscretions to account. There is no point launching a media war against your rivals, just as in the same way Mafia Dons agree to permanent truces lest their activities and methods come to public attention.

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  41. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Desperate days for the left. Their hatred for John Key as the man who displaced their beloved Helen has reached it’s peak.

    Oh please. I told you mooks earlier this year that Key should have sacked Collins. Now it’s all coming out and he’s next.

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  42. coolas (115 comments) says:

    Hey Onetrack

    If Collins leaked SFO information which was subject to investigation she has committed an offense under Sec. 117 of The Crimes Act. It appears that’s exactly what she did.

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  43. Ross12 (1,454 comments) says:

    Tom J

    All this will do is keep Cunliffe and co. out of the headlines for a week. Or if he is he will making negative comments on Collins.
    Just to help you understand my point look at these details of this Isentia media analysis

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/08/isentia-dominated-media-last-week/

    I think that is called an own goal.

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  44. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    I must admit that I am troubled by this trial by stolen hearsay evidence. But if that is the new low set by the Left then so be it, live by the sword and all that …

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  45. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  46. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    “Cameron deals with a huge range of people, including Labour MPs, Green MPs, and almost every media organisation in NZ.”

    Kind of wrong.

    Not deals, but “dealt”. Past tense.

    Utterly toxic, surely finished.

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  47. Dave_1924 (119 comments) says:

    Well played DPF…. but expecting standards is apparently not a smart thing….

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  48. gump (1,661 comments) says:

    At the risk of stating the obvious – Jared Savage is not a Cabinet Minister.

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  49. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    How unsurprising that the editor of the Christchurch Press chaired a panel discussion that included the villain himself, Hager the Horrible.

    Even more unsurprising is that gullible people including Viking2 (3.18 post) accept Hager’s word about who the hacker is, the hacker’s motivation, and the spy-novel like scenario Hager paints.

    Hager lied about the notorious Brash hack. He claimed it was an inside job. He believes that, as in war, it is morally justified to lie to protect your source/collaborator. Like a duck feigning injury and limping away from its young to lure away a threat, Hager will paint a picture designed to mislead.

    A rational response is, until proven otherwise, to take it a that the source claimed by a person in Hager’s position is a false trail.

    My guess is that the Leftist criminal at the centre of this is or has been associated with the GCSB.

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  50. aquataur (57 comments) says:

    I am now very disturbed by all of the leaking and targetting of individuals.

    I believe it is imperative that we know the identity of the hacker and their motivation. To date, we have only Hager’s word that he is a nice chap and is doing this because he thinks Cam is a prick.

    What if the hacker has links to the Russian or Chinese spy agencies ? Terrorist groups? Dotcom? The Labour Party? Destiny Church?
    Wouldn’t that colour one’s views of what is being released and why?
    Given the impact this is having on the election, surely it is only fair that we know who this individual is, and what his connections (past and present) are ?
    If he is only a disaffected individual, so be it. If not, shouldn’t we know?

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  51. jawnbc (93 comments) says:

    LOL

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  52. mjw (399 comments) says:

    “I am now very disturbed by all of the leaking and targetting of individuals”

    I assume you are talking about the dirty politics involving Key, Ede, Slater, Lusk, Ogders and co?

    Or maybe 11 year old forms letter and mythical $100,000 bottles of wine?

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  53. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    One thing – blogs rule.

    Like the Iraq Army’s mass desertion in the face of ISIS, the MSM has mass-enrolled in the Green-Left and hailed Hager as a Messiah.

    Thank goodness for Kiwiblog, Whale, and other blogs where we can still get the facts.

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  54. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    The more I see of this, the more I begin to wonder if the entire operation isn’t being run from the right somewhere and Hager is just a useful idiot.

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  55. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    I am now very disturbed by all of the leaking and targetting of individuals.

    Why?

    This is lefty SoP. Recall as a tiny example, Hulun got multiple individuals fired because she didn’t like their politics, including the Police Commissioner and many, many others.

    If you’re only recently disturbed by that where have you been living?

    They do it all the time. They don’t care. It’s a big tell into the lefty mindset. Their dedication to their execrable cause is so uber alles in their tiny warped amoral minds, they think nothing of ruining individuals who don’t even threaten them, just that they think they might.

    The fact this goes straight against the very ideology they claim to represent of being all humane etc etc means nothing to them, it’s never stopped them before and it will never stop them.

    Therefore the correct conclusion is not to be disturbed but rather simply to understand there are two kinds of lefties:
    1) those who support evil but don’t realise it
    2) those who do evil with full knowledge of what they do

    There aren’t any third kind, ultimately they’re in one of those two camps. Come to think of it, it is rather disturbing isn’t it, but there we are, those ARE the FACTS. Simple as that.

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  56. Johnboy (16,994 comments) says:

    And they get really shitted when our side does the same Reid. Fucking hypocrites! :)

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  57. flipper (4,198 comments) says:

    I am no fan of J Collins, and I believe that most NP members will be relieved that she is no longer a Minster.
    BUT…..

    I think it is time for some of the recent arrivals at KB to take a good hard look at themselves and their modus operandi.
    They are sick SOBs, who would have no trouble scrambling human eggs (Lenin?) to impose a left wig regime that would set New Zealand back 30+ years. Those bastards are mad.

    Now Mr Feeley, as Director of the SFO was personally possessed of more powers (yet to be confirmed by the Supreme Court, but that will happen one day, if the organisation survives any abuse of its current extraordinary powers) than the Commissioner of Police, albeit that he does not have powers of arrest.

    The matters to which C Slater refers in the email were well publicised in the media back in 2011, and also examined by the SSC. Feeley, an ex SSC man, had his contract extended. But he was most certainly into self aggrandisement, and he was inclined to shoot from the hip, losing many self-promoted cases. We will have to await SSC comment on that email….and the identity of the persons to whom it was sent. But C Slater will know, and I would be surprised if that remained secret..

    Mark my words: There will be fall-out over this episode. And Hager (already toxic), his publisher, their surrogates in the MSM, the hacker(s) and their financiers (puppet masters), will be the ones to suffer.

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  58. metcalph (1,433 comments) says:

    Savage responds http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11316711

    This was a passage that I found baffling

    […] So information was shared, there was a bit of “horse trading”, we talked about developments as the story rolled along.

    This sometimes happens with journalistic sources and it’s naive to think otherwise. […]. I didn’t know that our conversations about Feeley were being shared with others, like PR man Carrick Graham – and that was naive of me to think otherwise.

    So it is naive of us to expect that journalists don’t share information with each other and their sources. That’s fine by me. But how could Jared Savage seriously expect that Cameron Slater wouldn’t share information he had learned from Savage with other people?

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  59. KevinH (1,236 comments) says:

    John Key has been decisive and dealt with the issue of Judith Collins leading into the election because it would of been a distraction the government could lest afford. It also silences any rumours of a coup, the plotters, if any, are on the back foot. The email John Key released from Cam Slater reflects poorly on Cam, Judith has had to stand down as a result therefore it is clearly Cams fault that Judith has resigned.

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  60. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    All this will do is keep Cunliffe and co. out of the headlines for a week. Or if he is he will making negative comments on Collins.

    I doubt he’ll care.

    Face it. Your lot got caught. The publication of Slater’s emails has exposed what the National Party were up to and people don’t like it. The problem for Key is that it extends to his office and his own denials thus far have been feeble. He can’t really do much about it because he doesn’t know what the hacker has on him and its now clear that many within the National Party itself want the Collins faction gone.

    None of this scandal touches Bill English, Steven Joyce or any of the other hardworking Nat MPs who don’t go in for Slater’s brand of toxic politics. Problem for National is that John Key isn’t on that list as his own office was donkey deep in it and feeding Slater.

    National decided to make this election campaign revolve around John Key. His mug is on almost all of their billboards. That now looks like a massive own goal.

    All Labour have to do is look relatively competent and honest, and Slater has made that a doodle.

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  61. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Mark my words: There will be fall-out over this episode. And Hager (already toxic), his publisher, their surrogates in the MSM, the hacker(s) and their financiers (puppet masters), will be the ones to suffer.

    Bring it on, Internet tough guy.

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  62. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson posted at 5.34:

    All Labour have to do is look relatively competent and honest

    And keep the gag on Cunliffe to stop him apologising every five minutes.

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  63. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    “The publication of Slater’s emails has exposed what the National Party were up to and people don’t like it”

    People who are already conspiracy minded, hate filled lefties with Key Derangement Syndrome don’t like it. But only when they’re not the ones doing it.

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  64. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    “All Labour have to do is look relatively competent and honest”

    Hahahahahahaha. You make it sound like something that is actually possible.

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  65. deadrightkev (510 comments) says:

    The Royal NZ Herald won’t touch anything that is controversial or in the public interest. All we get from that rag is rehashed dross. They don’t even have the courage to print their own dirty scoops.

    This whole fiasco is just highlighting that we urgently need new people in parliament with a strong set of morals and principles who want to do something positive for NZ.

    We wont action by re-electing the same old progressives in blue or red ties. Slater is toxic and good riddance because secret squirrel stuff is not productive.

    We need clean skins in Wellington, inexperienced does not matter. As long as they have brains, business nous and motivation they will be better than the army of drones we have been handed under National and Labour.

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  66. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    And keep the gag on Cunliffe to stop him apologising every five minutes.

    Or to stop him obliterating the PM in a debate again like he did the other day. Cunliffe could win every debate now by simply accusing Key of being involved with Slater’s dreck. It doesn’t even need to be true. Key has no comeback, since with the resignation of Collins he’s now admitting as fact what he previously called a “left wing conspiracy theory”.

    I’d hate to be John Key now. He made a relatively safe gamble – that National’s dealings with Slater would never come to light – and it has epically backfired.

    Now everyone knows he’s an asshole.

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  67. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    This whole fiasco is just pointing out that we need a new set of people in parliament with a strong set of morals and principles who want to do something positive for NZ.

    Then vote for the Greens or NZF.

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  68. bc (1,377 comments) says:

    One thing is for sure – Cameron Slater won’t be getting any breaking stories anymore. He is damaged goods now.

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  69. AG (1,831 comments) says:

    DPF says:

    Now again what Cam has written is his interpretation. It may not be the literal truth of what Jared was doing. But here’s the thing – you need to be consistent. If you accept everything in the e-mails written by Cam as the literal truth, then the NZ Herald was feeding stories to Whale Oil, which they could not run in their newspaper. If you do not accept those e-mails as the literal truth, then why would you accept the ones about interactions with people in National as the literal truth?

    And now Jared Savage tells us that, actually, Slater is telling the truth about their relationship.

    At the same time, I received a few emails about what was happening inside the SFO office.

    Most of it was flotsam and jetsam, interesting tidbits of unverified information or gossip which I decided against pursuing as angles.

    I cut and pasted the content of some of those emails, to remove any possible identifying features, and forwarded them on to Slater. So information was shared, there was a bit of “horse trading”, we talked about developments as the story rolled along.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11316711

    So I guess that means we can take Slater at his word in terms of what he says about his conversations with Collins? Right?

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  70. Viking2 (11,561 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,838 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    How unsurprising that the editor of the Christchurch Press chaired a panel discussion that included the villain himself, Hager the Horrible.

    Even more unsurprising is that gullible people including Viking2 (3.18 post) accept Hager’s word about who the hacker is, the hacker’s motivation, and the spy-novel like scenario Hager paints.
    =============================================

    Jack5
    You really are fucked in the head ( and surely certified so), if you believe that I have anything but utter contempt for Hager.

    He is a despicable human Being. I saw what happened to good kiwi businesses when this fucked in the head communist was flogging his Apartheid bashing. Saw Thousands of Dollars of good food dumped because it came from South Africa as it had done for years. Food that kept hundreds of them black fella’s employed in the growing and making.
    He is a lowlife arsewipe as far as I’m concerned.

    That post had just appeared on the website and I put it there so others could see what Hager thought was lawful. Quite a duplicity in his thinking.

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  71. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson in his post at 5.42 says Cunliffe obliterated Key in the first debate.

    I can’t make a stand on that one, Tom. I switched off when Sorry-Sorry Cunliffe kept talking over Key at the opening.
    I wanted to hear policies, and it was difficult to understand what was being said, so flicked away from the channel.

    Surely in a debate of this importance, they could have each of the two speakers with a separate shirt microphone, and sound folk ensuring only one could be heard at a time? Or is that technically impossible?

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  72. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Re Viking2 at 5.52:

    You really are fucked in the head ( and surely certified so)….

    That’s a civil way of telling me I misunderstood your 3.18 post. And here was I thinking you were one of those rude Hagerites. Of course not.

    Following the example of Mr Cunliffe, I apologise, bow, bang my head on the floor three times, and say well, fuck me days!

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  73. Viking2 (11,561 comments) says:

    Not good enough.
    Off to Kirk and put dollars in the plate whilst singing 27 Hail Mary’s.

    Don’t want any of this Muslin head banging shit round here thanks.

    When all is done, all is forgiven. :lol: 8)

    A small donation to Act wouldn’t go amiss.

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  74. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    “This whole fiasco is just pointing out that we need a new set of people in parliament with a strong set of morals and principles who want to do something positive for NZ.”

    Then vote for the Greens or NZF.

    NZF? “Strong set of morals”? Do piss off. Peters wouldn’t know morals if they arrived in a bottle of Pinot.

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  75. tvb (4,498 comments) says:

    Slater and his nasty blog (which I read though it is full of film flam) should be tipped down the sewer along with Judith Collins. I am furious over what has happened

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  76. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    Tom – “Then vote for the Greens or NZF.”

    He did say something “positive” for NZ.

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  77. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    One thing is for sure – Cameron Slater won’t be getting any breaking stories anymore. He is damaged goods now.

    You don’t get it do you.

    The hacker is going to be exposed. The GCSB know precisely who the hacker is, already.

    If you know how the GCSB and the Five Eyes of which it is part works, you know its a vacuum cleaner. It sucks up every single skerrick of every single comms made from email to blog posts to phone calls to faxes to bank transactions to EFTPOS transactions and everything else including your own farts if its decided its interested in you and it then uses very sophisticated techniques to sort out the wheat from the chaff. Therefore, even if a big fat highly intelligent scumbag did use things like single-use disposable comms to communicate the contract which eventually engaged some overseas hackers for hire, he’s on record, forever.

    And duh, it doesn’t matter if he used code, it doesn’t matter if he disguised his voice, none of that matters. We’re 70 years now from Bletchley Park and all of what they pioneered there, sophisticated as it was then, has been rolled into that and much, much, much, much more now. All of which is used by GCSB and all of which GCSB has access to.

    So GCSB knows already or if they don’t, the evidence is sitting in Utah waiting to be accessed.

    That’s simply how it is.

    The only question is: how and when it will be used. Watch this space.

    So that’s this minor immediate issue dealt with.

    Second point: Cam’s starting a media company.

    Guaranteed to be successful.

    If you’ve got the entire NZ media corps united lockstep against you apart from a few notable exceptions like Fran, NZers know who to flock to, and they will. You watch.

    Why, pray tell, do you think NZers have been DESERTING media? An anomaly? For the last ten years? Seriously?

    Think again.

    This time, look at what is really happening, not what you’d prefer to be happening.

    Slater and his nasty blog (which I read though it is full of film flam) should be tipped down the sewer along with Judith Collins. I am furious over what has happened

    What a delicate little girl you are. Let’s hope you’re not old enough to vote. Obviously, if you are, it’s a travesty.

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  78. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Hager is a criminal – recieves stolen goods
    Dotcom is a criminal- Fraudster, thief of Intellectual property and money launderer.
    Hone had a little accident the other day that went unreported for a while (Maybe while his breath alcohol levels retuned to normal).
    Minto has been arrested more times than many people have had hot meals.
    Wake up NZ, in 3 weeks we could be living in a Kleptocracy!
    Why are we letting a pack of criminals take the moral high ground.
    Come on NZ, time to reset the agenda.
    John Key should launch a commision of inquiry into how Hager has consistently used stolen emails to ty and manipulate the democratic process.
    I’m sure he will have the full support of one of Hager’s previous victims – Don Bash!

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  79. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    Peters wouldn’t know morals if they arrived in a bottle of Pinot.

    Speaking of Pinot…

    I have a glass of Mountford Liaision ’07 beside me. Got a bunch discounted down to $20 a bottle. Outfuckingstanding drop.

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  80. RF (1,447 comments) says:

    Johnboy… You bastard. Your description of Cunners looking like a turtle made me laugh so much I spilt my gin. So true.. I was at a non political gathering this afternoon. The topic of politics did crop up but the conversation was about turtle being rude during the debate. Collins resignation did not rate a mention.

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  81. Manolo (14,036 comments) says:

    @Colville: Lucky some.

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  82. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    @Reid
    ” You don’t get it do you.

    The hacker is going to be exposed. The GCSB know precisely who the hacker is, already.”

    The GCSB isn’t at the disposal of political parties and doesn’t give a crap if we have a Labour or National led administration.

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  83. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    Manolo.

    advintige.co.nz

    Pinot and Chardy both 07 at $20. Awesome. Both $50 retail.

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  84. cha (4,078 comments) says:

    The only question is: how and when it will be used. Watch this space.

    Use the apparatus of the state as a political tool, really?.

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  85. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    The GCSB isn’t at the disposal of political parties and doesn’t give a crap if we have a Labour or National led administration.

    That’s correct to the extent its strictly about National Security.

    But if National Security were to be served by using its information to expose someone who, if they were to attain High Office, would become a threat to National Security, what pray tell do you think will happen?

    It’s not rocket science Alan.

    Is it.

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  86. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    So this particular email wasn’t one of the hacked ones.

    The PM knows the identity of who sent it to him, but its confidential.

    That rules out all the excuses that we get about it being illegally obtained… its not hacked

    SO… is it an internal national thing? Someone forcing the inevitable?

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  87. rouppe (980 comments) says:

    Slater has to take some responsibility for this. There is a lot of over egging going on over there.

    I think it is good there is going to be an enquiry. I actually agree with Robertson and Turei that the score should be widened. But it should be widened to include all emails from all MP’s.

    Let’s see just how much dirty politics is going on in the whole place

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  88. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    The PM knows the identity of who sent it to him, but its confidential.

    Let’s get the emails from Hulun’s time when she was talking about deposing Peter Doone.

    Is that a good idea Judith?

    According to you, it is.

    Isn’t it.

    Goody.

    Slater has to take some responsibility for this.

    Why?

    Thing about this the morons don’t seem to get:

    Cam’s never claimed he’s ever been anything but what these private emails prove him to be.

    He wears his politics AND his tactics on his sleeve and always has.

    Unlike lefties, who creep around in the darkness and depravity while all the time showing the voters and those idiot journo’s who don’t get it, they’re lily white.

    Who’s the more honest?

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  89. tom hunter (5,078 comments) says:

    All Labour have to do is look relatively competent and honest

    National landslide victory then?

    Then vote for the Greens or NZF.

    Together with the previous quote and one on Hillary Clinton a few months ago, this is further evidence that Tom Jackson is a top-flight comedy writer.

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  90. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Fran O’Sullivan defends her dealings with Slater.
    back paddling fast.

    Don’t worry Fran, before the end of the year we’ll know the full story and the names of all the major players.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if members of the MSM will be ousted as the instigators and the ones playing dirty politics.
    Sullivan, Savage, Thomas, Fisher and all the one-eyed ‘journalistas’, zero credibility.
    Do I hear the pitter patter of little feet?
    Rats leaving the sinking ship?

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  91. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Oohh yeah Reid, and then we’ll bust out the parliamentary transcripts of Muldoon accusing Colin Moyle.

    what a sad, sorry, bitter and twisted, living in the past boring ass twat you are.

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  92. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Black I don’t talk to racist arseholes, not even when they pretend they’re not because they claim to be representing a group who can’t be wacist.

    Fuck off and talk to the hand, period.

    P.S. I will be insulting you a lot in future, but that’s for the entertainment of others, so don’t hallucinate my future responses to your racist poison are a reaction to any “point” you have made.

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  93. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Other_Andy

    One thing that occurred to me – if blogger’s private emails are fair game for hacking, according to the left and MSM, based on a partisan writer’s assessment of public interest, then let everyone’s dirty little sources be fair game. No special protections for journalistic sources if there is a public interest.

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  94. ross411 (867 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson (2,491 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 5:42 pm
    And keep the gag on Cunliffe to stop him apologising every five minutes.

    Or to stop him obliterating the PM in a debate again like he did the other day. Cunliffe could win every debate now by simply accusing Key of being involved with Slater’s dreck. It doesn’t even need to be true. Key has no comeback, since with the resignation of Collins he’s now admitting as fact what he previously called a “left wing conspiracy theory”.

    I’d hate to be John Key now. He made a relatively safe gamble – that National’s dealings with Slater would never come to light – and it has epically backfired.

    Now everyone knows he’s an asshole.

    Are you sure? Everyone agrees with your opinion? You really think that? I’m sorry about whatever happened to you, to make you such a horrible person. John Key seems like a nice guy. I’ve yet to meet one person who thinks he is an asshole. I hope some nice things happen to you, and you get some balance in your life.

    You are a liar. You know what you wrote is unjustified and false, yet not being a mature adult, it is what you do here.

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  95. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Youre a lying attention seeking hypocrite Reid.

    You talk to racist arseholes on here every fucking day.

    Get a real life ya loser!!!

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  96. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Reid:

    P.S. I will be insulting you [BWAV] a lot in future, but that’s for the entertainment of others, so don’t hallucinate my future responses to your racist poison are a reaction to any “point” you have made.

    Oh goody gumdrops – this should be fun! Pass the popcorn please!

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  97. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    You talk to racist arseholes on here every fucking day.

    Completely untrue Black.

    I only talk to you once every few months.

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  98. flipper (4,198 comments) says:

    Judith (8,403 comments) says:

    August 30th, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    So this particular email wasn’t one of the hacked ones.
    ******

    Says who???????

    But if it wasn’t, careful reading suggests that all the hagerisms promoted by he MSM, the left, and their fellow travellers, are talking crap. Apropos that, see my 5.21pm. Would you, J, as Prime Minister, have left that email “out there” without publication?

    J Collins resignation? The email simply hastened the day.

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  99. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    adze says at 7:03 pm

    They will reap what they sow.
    The horse has left the barn, no use trying to close it anymore.

    The MSM accuses Slater of outing a left leaning civil servant.
    They think it is OK to out a right leaning civil servant.
    They are a bunch of hypocrites…
    They think it is alright to steal emails and then publish them for political purposes, trying to destroy people.
    Publishing the emails out of context, without fact checking and giving people a right of reply?
    Just wait till it is your turn you little creeps…
    Remember, no complaining then.

    And….
    While Hatfield and Crim (The ones that want to protect the privacy of people- you can’t make this shit up!) are cheering them on, I haven’t heard Cuntliffe or the ‘Green party’s ogre condemning this practice either.
    Can’t wait for their private correspondence to be made public either….

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  100. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    Completely untrue Black.

    I only talk to you once every few months.

    Oh fuck off you lying cunt. You talk to racist arseholes on here every day.

    Besides, im not a racist. Some of my best friends are white :)

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  101. Sublime (295 comments) says:

    The point I am making is consistency

    Quite. Cameron’s talked about “senior” journalists in the circle who he’s said have won awards based on ammunition he’s supplied. Who else was in on the great dirty circle? Who’s shifting uneasily in their seat right now?

    Popcorn – T minus two minutes.

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  102. rightoverlabour (114 comments) says:

    An observation. There seems to be very little that could be considered a well thought out argument from the majority of commentators here of the left persuasion. Most of it consists of vitriolic, hate- filled venom. It must be so frustrating knowing that National will probably be in power for another 3 years and that the whole Hagar saga is probably boosting the resolve of the Right to get out and vote to ensure this occurs.

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  103. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    ross411 says at 7:08 pm

    You know what is funny.
    No matter how many billboards they destroy and how many phones and laptops they steal.
    No matter how enraged and bitter they are, abusing John Key and threatening his daughter with rape.

    National will win the elections.
    National will gain seats and will able to govern alone.
    Key will be the Prime Minister.
    Judith Collins will be reinstated in some way and form. while Cuntliffe will lose his job and Crim will be extradited.

    Revenge is a dish best served cold….

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  104. bc (1,377 comments) says:

    Ye gods Reid – what have you been smoking.

    MP’s will be wiping Cam from their contact lists quick smart. Whaleoil will be getting a boost from all this publicity at the moment (any news is good news, as they say) but once all this has died down two things will happen:
    1) Whaleoil will be forgotten about by Joe Public
    2) Whaleoil will NOT be forgotten about by MP’s (especially National, who will still be in government after the election)

    Slater’s ‘tipline’ will dry up and the breaking stories will be far and few between. No big stories means that Slater won’t be talked about by anyone except his group of followers.

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  105. Viking2 (11,561 comments) says:

    Black with a Vengeance (1,653 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    Completely untrue Black.

    I only talk to you once every few months.

    Oh fuck off you lying cunt, you talk to racist arseholes on here every day.

    Besides, im not a racist. Some of my best friends are white :)
    ==============

    So Minto is a good friend then?

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  106. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Besides, im not a racist.

    Because you’re black so you can’t be?

    You should get in touch with the lefties black. Apparently they agree.

    Who knows why, in the logical universe. But apparently, in their white-is-black, up-is-down poisoned tiny little world, some of them do. Poor things.

    Take it to GD if you wish to respond Black. I can’t guarantee I will, but I certainly won’t respond to anything further here, from you.

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  107. bc (1,377 comments) says:

    Other_Andy @ 7.30pm

    1) I agree National will win the election.
    2) I’m not convinced that they will be able to govern alone – a bold call, or more like wishful thinking on your part.
    3) Of course Key will be the PM – duh!
    4) Judith Collins won’t be reinstated – she is too toxic.
    5) I can’t stand Cunliffe and Dotcom, but the silly name calling of them is pathetic and makes you sound like a child.

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  108. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    “No matter how enraged and bitter they are, abusing John Key and threatening his daughter with rape.”

    Except no one threatened her with rape eh? More right wing bullocks, the undecided are seeing this for what it is, dirty politics.

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  109. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    So GCSB knows already or if they don’t, the evidence is sitting in Utah waiting to be accessed.

    That’s simply how it is.

    The only question is: how and when it will be used. Watch this space

    Oh, now that’s funny. Please let Reid be right – I for one would love a National Party administration to be caught red-handed misusing the GCSB.

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  110. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    I for one would love a National Party administration to be caught red-handed misusing the GCSB.

    Evidence that a Permanent Resident committed a crime by soliciting the hacking of private information is a misuse of the GCSB in what precise way, PM?

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  111. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    bc says at 7:39 pm

    “….but the silly name calling of them is pathetic and makes you sound like a child.”

    True, childish, but I can’t get myself to mirror the left wing ‘grown-up’ etiquette and tell them to be f*cked, burned and raped.

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  112. tom hunter (5,078 comments) says:

    You are a liar. You know what you wrote is unjustified and false, yet not being a mature adult, it is what you do here.

    Calm down Ross411. Ages ago Tom Jackson bluntly said he was trolling for as many downticks as he could get, and the comments he makes are often comedy gold – intentionally so I think.

    So just have fun with him. He’ll appreciate it.

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  113. Richard (82 comments) says:

    The eddying currents are swirling. The recipient “Mark” in the email is thought by some to be Mark Hotchin who was being investigated by Feeley and who sold his house to Judith Collins’ close, personal friend, Stone Shi.

    Could get interesting.

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  114. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Milk Me says at 7:41 pm

    “Except no one threatened her with rape eh?”

    “One of these days I’m going to fuck your daughter.
    This poor boy going to make his seed, going to wake up in your girl – well hello Miss Key.”

    Sounds consensual to you?
    Good to know you condone this.

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  115. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    Evidence that a Permanent Resident committed a crime by soliciting the hacking of private information is a misuse of the GCSB in what precise way, PM?

    You do know what the declared purpose of the GCSB is, right? But, even disregarding that – people get their Gmail/Facebook accounts hacked every day, without the Police seeing fit to draw on the capabilities of the 5-Eyes intelligence network. Can you picture to yourself what “But this hacker embarrassed the government” would be for a credible reason for a particular hacking job to become a 5-Eyes issue?

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  116. Urban_Redneck (103 comments) says:

    National’s major failing here was to allow that greasy haired dirt-bag Ambergris to worm his way into the dubious position as the paramilitary-blacktops leader of the party . . their Ernst Rohm if you will. Collins’ seppuku is significant in that JK has obviously decided that the long knives need to come out.

    Collins demise signifies a significant blow to the progressive faction of the National party, who with Ambergris’ help have been working to take over the party (like termites eating away at the foundations of a house). So in some respect, this whole sordid affair has offered up some good in the long term.

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  117. davidp (3,587 comments) says:

    I’m confused. Didn’t Helen Clark leak incorrect stories about a Police Commissioner in order to force him to resign. As I recall, she personally phoned journalists to undermine him. Now Collins is a walking talking disaster and needed to go. But I don’t understand why Collins resigned, while Clark served for a long time as PM and is now working for the UN.

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  118. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    flipper says:
    Mark my words: There will be fall-out over this episode. And Hager (already toxic), his publisher, their surrogates in the MSM, the hacker(s) and their financiers (puppet masters), will be the ones to suffer.
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    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/cameron_slater_and_the_media.html#comments

    Some rich people will be very annoyed?

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  119. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    I don’t imagine the UN would be calling Collins and offering her a job somehow…..ever, no even as the toilet cleaner.

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  120. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    “One of these days I’m going to fuck your daughter.
    This poor boy going to make his seed, going to wake up in your girl – well hello Miss Key.”

    Sounds consensual to you?
    Good to know you condone this.

    Err no, no it doesn’t. care to explain how you think it is, YOU sick bastard.

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  121. Lindsay Addie (1,589 comments) says:

    Milk Me:

    Collins is a self proclaimed ‘victim’, surely that would look good on your CV if your in line for a UN role…..?

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  122. hj (7,062 comments) says:

    @ Dead Ernest

    Why are we letting a pack of criminals take the moral high ground.
    Come on NZ, time to reset the agenda.
    ……………………………………………..

    The housing boom has meant good profits for many New Zealand companies supplying
    materials and building services, but it implies investors would rather invest in their country’s
    homes rather than its businesses (Bollard 2005). The high returns for property has attracted
    finance and reduced the capital available for productive investment (Moody, 2006). The
    consequence is investment is going in to industries with limited capacity to increase per capita
    incomes. For example, real estate and building are domestically bound and do not have the
    market potential of export industries. They also have less opportunity to increase productivity
    through new processes and products. The irony is, as these sectors grow, they have incurred
    skills shortages which in turn has increased demand for skilled immigrants. The Department
    of Statistics ‘Long Term Skill Shortage List’ of 28/3/2006 includes carpenter/joiner, plumber,
    electricians, fitter and turners, fitter welders; all indicative of a nation building its
    construction/property sector.
    There is a danger that a sector of the economy is being augmented that is totally reliant on a
    small domestic economy. Not only do these industries have limited potential for per-capita
    growth but ‘deriving growth via factor inputs such as labour places pressure on infrastructure
    such as transport and land supply, and ultimately have a further negative impact on growth
    (ARC 2005). Finally, as the sector gets larger, it gains in lobbying/political strength and can
    lobby for immigration regardless if it is the best interests of the economy as a whole. This
    could be seen in Canada where the development industry has lobbied hard for high sustained
    immigration levels (Ley and Tutchener 2001).

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  123. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Can you picture to yourself what “But this hacker embarrassed the government” would be for a credible reason for a particular hacking job to become a 5-Eyes issue?

    Can you picture to yourself PM, a PR who commissioned a crime NOT getting their status withdrawn simply because it was politically convenient for the govt of the day not to prosecute?

    Do you like govts who uphold the law PM, or do you disapprove of them?

    Yes, or no?

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  124. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Milk Me says at 8:36 pm

    Those are the lyrics of a Tom Scott ‘song’, formerly of Homebrew and now @peace, a fervent supporter of Labour and the ‘Greens’.

    I know it is a while ago but you stated at 7:41
    “Except no one threatened her with rape eh? More right wing bullocks, the undecided are seeing this for what it is, dirty politics.”

    You either think that those lyrics have nothing to do with rape or your statement at 7:41 is bullsh!t.

    Either answer, coming from you, wouldn’t surprise me

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  125. Dexter (306 comments) says:

    MP’s will be wiping Cam from their contact lists quick smart. Whaleoil will be getting a boost from all this publicity at the moment (any news is good news, as they say) but once all this has died down two things will happen:

    Yup, he is political poison, with no successes to show for it. The fact that his meddling has resulted in Collins resignation, Nationals loss of support (and possibly an election as well) and a swing of votes to Collin Craig (who he despises), would be ironic and poetic justice, if it didn’t also carry the horrific proposition of a labor, dotcon, greens, winny medley of nightmares.

    Although if I were him I would be more concerned about the allegation that “he is being paid for comment – including a $6500 monthly retainer from the tobacco industry and running PR content direct from PR clients under his own name, without advising readers.”

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  126. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    I’ve been following Kiwiblog for a long time. I’ve never before encountered posts as vile as those Milk Me has posted here today, especially those maligning John Key’s daughter.

    We’ve had Leftists and extreme Leftists for years. We’ve had Greens for years.

    This new gutter level of politicking likely comes from the new foreign influence in our politics.

    For goodness sake, Washington, send a SEAL squad to snatch him.

    In the meantime, DPF please consider deleting the Milk Me posts relating to John Key’s daughter (eg at 8.38).

    Milk Me is one of the most vicious trolls who have popped up.

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  127. gump (1,661 comments) says:

    Whale has lodged a complaint with the privacy commissioner against John Key for releasing the email.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/945653885-judith-collins-to-resign-

    I guess the factional war within National has officially begun.

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  128. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    “Whale has lodged a complaint with the privacy commissioner against John Key for releasing the email.”

    Excellent.

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  129. goldnkiwi (1,514 comments) says:

    What s wrong with being paid again? I would imagine that any paid for opinions were for similarly held views, unlike for example Hone’s apparent about turn on cannabis or so I read. Of course nowadays one can’t believe everything one reads, because one always did before? NOT lol ;)

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  130. goldnkiwi (1,514 comments) says:

    Interesting times, if a legitimate recipient of an email chooses to make the contents public, is it still a private communication between the original parties.

    I would imagine that that is:

    a) Different to hacking and

    b) Different to Hager releasing private hacked communications.

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  131. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    DF: ” How is media giving Cam stories, different to a press secretary doing so?” um…..let me see….could it be that the PS, unlike the ‘media’ has direct access to the Minister/s? And if the minister/s are fomenting mischief, (i.e. Collins and Key) that is an abuse of privilege; in the case of the media it is simply mischief.

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  132. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    But if this is true then Slater has laid his cards on the table and now Key has to stop bluffing and lay out his (pair of 3s?) hand.

    Either way he is being outplayed at something he never had control of. His own party. Maybe Collins will be Nationals next leader
    after all.

    Which ever way you look at it Keys campaign aint going that smoothly. I thing I’d be generous in saying that Team Key is achually in a state of chaos.

    More popcorn?

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  133. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    @Jack5 (4,841 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
    I’ve been following Kiwiblog for a long time. I’ve never before encountered posts as vile as those Milk Me has posted here today, especially those maligning John Key’s daughter.

    We’ve had Leftists and extreme Leftists for years. We’ve had Greens for years.

    This new gutter level of politicking likely comes from the new foreign influence in our politics.

    For goodness sake, Washington, send a SEAL squad to snatch him.

    In the meantime, DPF please consider deleting the Milk Me posts relating to John Key’s daughter (eg at 8.38).

    Milk Me is one of the most vicious trolls who have popped up.

    OH PUlease! spare me the poor steffi key routine ! she wants to be an *artist* and put her self out there dressed as a light lunch then other *artists* are going to reference her! THATS how it works . and NO where is there Rape mentioned . don’t make stuff up !. and just cause someon does not agree with you does not a troll make . it makes you a whiner who cant handle differences

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  134. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    @Jack5 (4,841 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
    I’ve been following Kiwiblog for a long time. I’ve never before encountered posts as vile as those Milk Me has posted here today, especially those maligning John Key’s daughter.

    We’ve had Leftists and extreme Leftists for years. We’ve had Greens for years.

    This new gutter level of politicking likely comes from the new foreign influence in our politics.

    For goodness sake, Washington, send a SEAL squad to snatch him.

    In the meantime, DPF please consider deleting the Milk Me posts relating to John Key’s daughter (eg at 8.38).

    Milk Me is one of the most vicious trolls who have popped up.

    OH PUlease! spare me the poor steffi key routine ! she wants to be an *artist* and put her self out there dressed as a light lunch then other *artists* are going to reference her! THATS how it works . and NO where is there Rape mentioned . don’t make stuff up . and a differing opinion does NOT a troll make . it makes you a whiner who cant deal with diferences

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  135. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    Rightio, dirty politics it is, I think David Cunliffe has been fucking Mai Chen, there I said it, I know so because of two dots. So much for Campbell Live’s “at home with the the Cunliffs” soft soap. Vote for the adulterer *sniger*. But thanks to Nicky Harger any old dot will do, and I haven’t received any stolen material. The Left have lowered it to this.

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  136. RossM (51 comments) says:

    It is hard to avoid the conclusion that Cameron Slater on his own has done more to harm the National Party than the gaggle of assorted lefties.

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  137. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Mcardnas (9.35) with just 15 comments is obviously one of the agents provocateur active on Kiwiblog today, and pushing this useful blog to a new low with their insults about John Key’s daughter.

    As we have had the Greens and traditional Labour for many years without this vicious trolling, the likely conclusion is McArndas, Milk Me and similar new posters are part of Herman the German’s incitement of immature NZ youngsters.

    Rich Prick – a down tick for descending (albeit satirically) to the level of the Herman Youth Movement trolls.

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  138. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Actually as I never mentioned Steffi Key in the first place, but now I stand accused of condoning rape. Well spun. This is how national got in the situation it finds itself now and you idiot fuckers are still at it. Geeesh. you don’t deserve to win this election because of sheer incompetence and wilful stupidity.

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  139. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    Jack, I’ve been just as “investigative” as Nicky Harger, let’s have fun. It is rumoured Annette King (I’ve seen an email between Jack and Jill) was allegedly working the camera when Darren Hughes was taking advantage of the naked teen boy on the Swiss ball. Why not, see how easy it is.

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  140. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,842 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 9:47 pm
    Mcardnas (9.35) with just 15 comments is obviously one of the agents provocateur active on Kiwiblog today, and pushing this useful blog to a new low with their insults about John Key’s daughter.

    As we have had the Greens and traditional Labour for many years without this vicious trolling, the likely conclusion is McArndas, Milk Me and similar new posters are part of Herman the German’s incitement of immature NZ youngsters.

    Rich Prick – a down tick for descending (albeit satirically) to the level of the Herman Youth Movement trolls.

    i may very well be new Here but im sure you started some where didn’t you jack? troll is tossed around with ghey abandon when folks don’t agree with an opinion . it is very dull. your comprehension needs lots of werk

    and i can assure you i work for no one but myself, and i certainly aint young. ANd i love it when folks assume its such an old cliche it does make an ass out of you . carry on

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  141. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Re mcardnas (9.57)….

    Your grammar and English keyboard use is so bad you could be Big Herman himself.

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  142. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    Jack5 (4,843 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 9:59 pm
    Re mcardnas (9.57)….

    Your grammar and English keyboard use is so bad you could be Big Herman himself.

    eye culd b, BUtt me knot. fank gawd you smart enuf to still git it

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  143. V (745 comments) says:

    Cactus Kate has been awfully quiet lately …

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  144. Lance (2,708 comments) says:

    As others have said here tonight.
    There is going to be some serious fallout from this new low in politics and not just for National.

    Anything anybody who writes in an email anywhere at anytime is up for grabs now. Or even on a computer document because for some odd reason politically important people (especially those not on the far left) seem to get only their computers and no other valuables stolen?
    What a fucking miserable state of affairs, the jouron’s had better pucker up their sphincters, not the mention the lily white lefties who apparently never get involved with underhanded tricks at anywhere at anytime.

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  145. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    Cunliffe is f**king Mai Chen???? I may have to link to that comment, sounds very legit

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  146. V (745 comments) says:

    @Lance

    Regardless of whether you are correct or not.
    I find it highly amusing that these are all the same politicans/journos etc that said “nothing to hide, nothing to fear” over the Snowden revelations on govt. monitoring of the communication of civilian populations.

    Now we are to believe they are hysterical over the same issue?

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  147. Rich Prick (1,720 comments) says:

    Zapper, who cares, in Dirty Politics, anything goes, just join silly dots and you’re there.

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  148. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    It is hard to avoid the conclusion that Cameron Slater on his own has done more to harm the National Party than the gaggle of assorted lefties.

    Well, duh.

    It’s almost as if the far right lunacy, bigotry, sexism, authoritarianism and casual racism that infects the comments on Whaleoil and to a lesser extent Kiwiblog is a massive turnoff to ordinary New Zealanders. This is the last chance saloon for authoritarian personalities and outright nutcases. Proof: Redbaiter is nowhere near the most deranged poster on this blog.

    So I guess that John Key’s strategists were sitting around dropping acid when they decided to adopt Rove’s 2 track strategy and make Whale their primary sewer with which to attack their political enemies. The man is a loose cannon, a convicted criminal, regarded by most New Zealanders as a dysfunctional, sociopathic prick, and has absolutely no sense of decency. On what planet does it make sense to involve yourself politically with such a person? It’s like taking the mob on as a business partner.

    And they would have gotten away with it, if it wasn’t for those meddling kids on that internet thing.

    Now Slater has signalled that he’s going after Key over this email, which appears to have been leaked by Cathy Odgers, and Matthew Hooton is doing his best to throw Key under the bus, signalling that there’s all sorts of shit about to hit the fan.

    It’s now a circular firing squad.

    The hilarious thing is that New Zealand would likely have been quite happy to give the current government another term even without the endless Whale conducted attacks on Cunliffe and Labour. The only real fuckups this government has had to deal with have been caused by the Collins/Whale faction’s incompetence and venality. There are sane MPs in the National caucus (although for how much longer, I can’t say). They must be going to bed tonight thinking: “How the fuck did we managed to let this pack of cunts take over the management of our party?”

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  149. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    If it is true that Cactus Kate leaked this, and Slater has issues, then the 2 of them really must shut the f**k up right now and let their over sized egos take a hit for the good of the country. F**k me drunk. Seriously, are we going to let Cunliffe and his lunatic coalition destroy the country? I suppose it’s good for those of us who have foreign currency. If that’s the reasoning then self-interest of Hong Kong based lawyers has hit dizzying and disgusting heights.

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  150. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    And Tom, you really mean criminals on the internet, not kids. Although if we get the lunatic coalition, I think I’d prefer Scooby and Shaggy in charge.

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  151. jakejakejake (138 comments) says:

    Why is Cameron Slater now disclosing his sources? Is Judith Collins another of his mistresses?

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  152. V (745 comments) says:

    Did Cactus Kate leak the email?
    My reading of reports is that the PM may have contacted her to verify the authenticity of the email, and hence when it was released her name was redacted from the header. However a reading of the email seems like it must be her, and apparently Slater has commented that the third person was a ‘her’.

    After reading this:
    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/08/new-zealand-prime-minister-john-key-the-whale-oil-blog-and-international-organized-crime.html

    From one of the most read financial blogs on the web, I wonder if the rat-hole goes deeper than we think?

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  153. Mark (1,489 comments) says:

    It appears we will have to dust off the typewriter for our media leaks now. Fucking internet is not to be trusted

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  154. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    The lunatic coalition is starting to look like a viable option.

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  155. Black with a Vengeance (1,865 comments) says:

    A lunatic coaltion sounds just the ticket for governing a mad world. At least itll be more representative of NZ as a whole than the old whiteboy party with a few token women and sell out minorites in there.

    Lets hope we get the government we deserve out of this election. If its the same self serving nutjobs selling us down the river to their offshore corporate masters then so be it.

    Lets fucking have it!

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  156. FeralScrote (224 comments) says:

    Oh my,is it popcorn for breakfast?
    After Fishers absolutely pathetic attempt (senior reporter ,oh really?)to distance himself from Slater earlier this week now we have J Savage and Fran covering their butts ,awesome.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11316711

    One way or the other this election is going to be a doozy,right down to the wire.
    Unfortunately it is you and I the citizens that will be paying for it for years to come ,which ever way it plays out.

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  157. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    @V

    the Guardian article is excellent reading as are the comments. glad to kno there is a global audience watching this play out. so far the rat hole looks very very deep, dark and dank and there is a fetid, putrid rotting smell emanating from the walls, I’m pretty sure that’s from the gangrenous, self righteous ,over inflated egos of those dwelling in the rat hole. and a bio hazard suit is most definitely needed as one decends further down it . wanna put $ on who we find at the bottom ?

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  158. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    i better put this missing *W* here for you Jack5

    wouldn’t want your tiny mind blown world to spin off its axis would we now

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  159. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    Johnboy (15,564 comments) says:
    August 30th, 2014 at 3:23 pm
    Desperate days for the left. Their hatred for John Key as the man who displaced their beloved Helen has reached it’s peak.

    They cannot accept that he can match her record and get three terms as well.

    Every dirty trick in their book is being brought into play. Hold strong folks only three weeks to go! :)

    what utter piffle ! i can tell you straight i hate him cause hes a traitorous criminal . nought to do with left or right . hes a TRAITOROUS CRIMINAL facT

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  160. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    So the leak probably came from Catus Kate?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10443223/The-real-reason-behind-Judith-Collins-demise

    And Cameron Slater has laid a complaint with the Privacy Commissioner, against the Prime Minister.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/945653885-judith-collins-to-resign-

    CK’s emails were not hacked, no leftie involvement there – a pure clean trail – I guess the questions is, does a person ‘own’ the emails sent to them, therefore, they have the right to pass them on – in this case to the PM, in which case Whaleoil’s complaint is not valid surely?

    I’m no lawyer, but it looks to me that by sending that email to another person – Slater has no right to ‘privacy’. It could of course be an attempt to show a public split between the PM and Slater, which may appease the voting public?

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  161. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “For goodness sake, Washington, send a SEAL squad to snatch him.”

    Desperation setting in Jack?

    15 September should see you looking for a way to top yourself.

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  162. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “I’m confused. Didn’t Helen Clark leak incorrect stories about a Police Commissioner in order to force him to resign.”

    He, Peter Doone, said he was going to sue the PM for it but he never did. LOL

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  163. IGM (522 comments) says:

    This whole debacle reeks of McCarten, ably assisted by Slobcom, Peters, Bradbury, and Manning. This will have been well known by Cunliffe, and Goff may even have a hand in it . . . he is still smarting from the arse kicking Key gave him in 2011. Wait till “Tojo” is wound up on the 20th, he will be a real pain.

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  164. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “This whole debacle” LOL

    Has Cameron Slater been relieved of his firearms yet? I fear he may be contemplating using one in a way that is not approved in the Arms Code.

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  165. Bogusnews (477 comments) says:

    As far as I’m concerned, this whole sorry episode epitomises the left. They self righteously point the finger and claim the moral high ground when they are AT LEAST as bad as anything done by the right.

    Consider the underhanded “dirty politics” tricks used to derail National in our recent past. First we had Hager’s fantasy novel “the hollow men”, then we had the super snoopers where TV3 taped casual conversations and tried to derail them, then the tea pot tapes and now “Dirty Politics”.

    The tea pot tapes were disturbing because even though there was little interest and they were not an important election issue, they were headline news for days. Hager’s latest nonsense book (as with “the hollow men”) has not been subject to any media investigation to see what is really true and what is just conjecture, it has simply been accepted as gospel.

    This may not be so bad except such underhanded tactics are NEVER used on Labour or the Greens. The media only does it to National with lefties in the background wagging the finger at us and cheering them on.

    Bloody hypocrites the lot of them.

    However, on a very positive note, how refreshing to see the increasing irrelevancy of the MSM. The blogs are (once again) providing information the MSM can’t or won’t.

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  166. rouppe (980 comments) says:

    Why, Reid?

    Because Cam thought he was so untouchable he was too arrogant with who his government sources were.

    I have no doubt that he has emails from everyone who is anyone in politics. Thing is, he can’t spray them on to the internet because then no one will ever talk to him again and the basis of his current ‘status’ (for want of a better word) disappears. So he has to keep those confidences, and take the hits. Again I’m sure there is more to come, but if he was going to burn anyone he would have done it by now to help Judith Collins.

    Yes there are police complaints out there, and current court cases, it will be interesting to see the result of those.

    As regards your interpretation of the GCSB hoovering up everything, I think the embarrassing slapping they got over dot com and then Tuhoe make that unlikely

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  167. deadrightkev (510 comments) says:

    Slater got too big for his boots and started believing his own publicity, he was throwing his weight around like a media mogul acting like he owned people and he has caused his own and probably Nationals downfall, his progressive politician mates being the spineless mob they are flocked to lick his arse. They have now come undone as a result and karma is being restored.

    Now we wait to see who benefits and with three weeks to go my money is on the Conservatives who have yet to peak. They have the resources and Craig looks to be hitting his straps.

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  168. jackinabox (776 comments) says:

    “Cameron Slater: Dear ole Cam, he has managed to allow others to think even less of him than they did, and after the month he’s had, let’s admit just how difficulty that is. Personally I’m not sure how smart it is for the Police to allow someone with the public battles he has had with depression to have as many firearms as he does, but let’s all hope the inevitable gun battle with Police is quick.”

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  169. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    jackinabox posted at 7.13 am:

    Desperation setting in Jack?

    15 September should see you looking for a way to top yourself.

    No, cop-hating jackinabox. In a way I would enjoy it more if we got a Green-Labour-Dotcunt coalition. No need to take my shoe laces and belt.

    It’s more fun sniping than being shot at! Especially if Green-Labour-Dotcunts with a tiny majority decided on a more liberal policy towards crime and criminals (so Big Herman could stay out of American prisons).

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  170. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    “As far as I’m concerned, this whole sorry episode epitomises the left. They self righteously point the finger and claim the moral high ground when they are AT LEAST as bad as anything done by the right.”

    No you are off the mark there. This is a new low in the art of dirty politics.
    NO ONE on the left has ever orchestrated such deceitful and dirty plan of attack in NZ political history, it has happened before overseas in the past, notable in the Prime Ministers homeland the US, and we know what happened to Nixon eh?

    Key is slowly being exposed for the poisonous and corrupt psychotic money trader he really is.

    Remember, you can fool some of the people some of the time (not me) but not all the people all the time,


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  171. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    The barking Leftist troll, Milk Me (10.0), again ambles over from the flea baths at the Standard.

    You’re wasting your dog breath, Milk Me. In the case of a miracle and a Greens-Labour win, Milk Me, the Greens will euthanise all mongrel strays at Loony Left Kennels.

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  172. Kimbo (1,048 comments) says:

    @ Milk Me

    NO ONE on the left has ever orchestrated such deceitful and dirty plan of attack in NZ political history, it has happened before overseas in the past, notable in the Prime Ministers homeland the US, and we know what happened to Nixon eh?

    Hmm. Seems to me getting rid of a Police Commissioner (Peter Doone) via the modus operandi of leaks to the press is in the same category as an orchestrated campaign to de-stabilise the chief law enforcement official of the SFO.

    And we have no confirmation Collins actually did that. Instead, it is only hear say, a form of evidence that should not be used to decide the facts of a matter (including when it concerns the alleged incest between a father and a daugter – sorry, couldn’t keep the Bain case out of this! :) ).

    So what is the difference between toasting the successful conclusion of an SFO investigation with Mark Hotchins’ champagne, and the most senior police official in the land making himself known as the passenger of a car that is pulled over at a breath-testing check point?

    But when we apply the common sense principle, cui bono?

    …then Feeley saw out his term as head of the SFO unhindered

    …whereas Doone was reduced to cutting out doilies in the PM’s office until the term of his contract was up.

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  173. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    That’s fine Jack5, good boy, now sit, who is a gooood doggy, yeeesss Jack5 goood boy, gooooood boy. NOW SIT! Goood boy.

    What’s that noise?

    Oh! it is the popcorn maker.

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  174. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    Milk Me (10.38):

    How sad that the Standard doesn’t give you and the other strays over there distemper shots.

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  175. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    Kimbo (729 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 10:35 am
    @ Milk Me

    NO ONE on the left has ever orchestrated such deceitful and dirty plan of attack in NZ political history, it has happened before overseas in the past, notable in the Prime Ministers homeland the US, and we know what happened to Nixon eh?

    Hmm. Seems to me getting rid of a Police Commissioner (Peter Doone) via the modus operandi of leaks to the press is in the same category as an orchestrated campaign to de-stabilise the chief law enforcement official of the SFO.

    And we have no confirmation Collins actually did that. Instead, it is only hear say, a form of evidence that should not be used to decide the facts of a matter (including when it concerns the alleged incest between a father and a daugter – sorry, couldn’t keep the Bain case out of this! :) ).

    So what is the difference between toasting the successful conclusion of an SFO investigation with Mark Hotchins’ champagne, and the most senior police official in the land making himself known as the passenger of a car that is pulled over at a breath-testing check point?

    But when we apply the common sense principle, cui bono?

    …then Feeley saw out his term as head of the SFO unhindered
    …whereas Doone was reduced to cutting out doilies in the PM’s office until the term of his contract was up.

    hmmmmmmm nah , the depths of this corruption goes way beyond anything we have seen before in any political party and for me i think Nigel Latta sums it up most succinctly in #3 and imo has FAR more serious consequences for all of us than just who is allowed to have scissors
    NEVER beore have we as a country been under such threat by those *elected* to lead us

    3. There are dark shapes swirling around under the water

    We’re all busy trying to put food on the table, pay off mortgages, and keep our jobs. Because of that there’s a lot going on that many of us simply don’t pay attention to. Things like supermarkets threatening local councils with expensive legal action if they try to restrict the hours alcohol can be sold. We’re busy trying to get ourselves signed up to free-trade agreements that have huge implications for all of us, and we’re not allowed to know what those implications are. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, and I truly do believe that business has to save the world, but I also believe there are large multinationals out there with very big tentacles into governments all over the world who are trying to quietly get us to sign away our democratic freedoms. We need to stop them.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11316443

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  176. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    Kimbo (729 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 10:35 am
    @ Milk Me

    NO ONE on the left has ever orchestrated such deceitful and dirty plan of attack in NZ political history, it has happened before overseas in the past, notable in the Prime Ministers homeland the US, and we know what happened to Nixon eh?

    Hmm. Seems to me getting rid of a Police Commissioner (Peter Doone) via the modus operandi of leaks to the press is in the same category as an orchestrated campaign to de-stabilise the chief law enforcement official of the SFO.

    And we have no confirmation Collins actually did that. Instead, it is only hear say, a form of evidence that should not be used to decide the facts of a matter (including when it concerns the alleged incest between a father and a daugter – sorry, couldn’t keep the Bain case out of this! :) ).

    So what is the difference between toasting the successful conclusion of an SFO investigation with Mark Hotchins’ champagne, and the most senior police official in the land making himself known as the passenger of a car that is pulled over at a breath-testing check point?

    But when we apply the common sense principle, cui bono?

    …then Feeley saw out his term as head of the SFO unhindered
    …whereas Doone was reduced to cutting out doilies in the PM’s office until the term of his contract was up.

    hmmmmmmm nah , the depths of this corruption goes way beyond anything we have seen before in any political party and for me i think Nigel Latta sums it up most succinctly in #3 and imo has FAR more serious consequences for all of us than just who is allowed to have scissors
    NEVER before have we as a country been under such threat by those *elected* to lead us
    and if you cant see this then you are either stupid blind dumb deaf or just plain willfully ignorant ~ Which btw is not acceptable in a court of law as defence

    3. There are dark shapes swirling around under the water

    We’re all busy trying to put food on the table, pay off mortgages, and keep our jobs. Because of that there’s a lot going on that many of us simply don’t pay attention to. Things like supermarkets threatening local councils with expensive legal action if they try to restrict the hours alcohol can be sold. We’re busy trying to get ourselves signed up to free-trade agreements that have huge implications for all of us, and we’re not allowed to know what those implications are. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, and I truly do believe that business has to save the world, but I also believe there are large multinationals out there with very big tentacles into governments all over the world who are trying to quietly get us to sign away our democratic freedoms. We need to stop them.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11316443

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  177. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Is that the best you have, Jackwit?

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  178. Kimbo (1,048 comments) says:

    @ mcardnas

    NEVER before have we as a country been under such threat by those *elected* to lead us
    and if you cant see this then you are either stupid blind dumb deaf or just plain willfully ignorant ~ Which btw is not acceptable in a court of law as defence

    Ordinarily I’d be happy to discuss with you(although my time is short today), but not that eager when you resort to personal abuse (although admittedly this thread has gone feral a while ago).

    How about you actually give some facts to back up your assertion “the depths of this corruption goes way beyond anything we have seen before in any political party”? I know I gave some facts – I fail to see any real difference between what happened to Doone and who was almost certainly ultimately responsible for it, and what it is alleged Collins did with Feeley.

    Maybe you might want to chip away at that comparison, rather than resorting to light-weight rhetorical popcorn like, “nah”.

    Or maybe not…

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  179. Jack5 (5,148 comments) says:

    The (Standard) dogs bark, the caravan moves on.

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  180. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    Jack5.
    Last time. I am not left wing. I don’t do the standard. I do not like this government.OK?

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  181. waikatogirl (625 comments) says:

    I don’t agree with Whale Oil’s ethical behaviour but at least he has a ‘face’. What about the damn cowardly hacker Whale Dump who set all this in motion and is still too chicken to show his/her face.
    Whale Oil’s part in this will be assessed in the enquiry, along with Judith’s (if any) and all the other players as well. Act like a real part of NZ society and show yourself Whale Dump

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  182. Milk Me (157 comments) says:

    ^^^^ don’t shoot the messenger cowgirl^^^^

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  183. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    Sunlight is the best disinfectant, Milk Me. What do Whaledump/Hager have to hide?

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  184. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    I liked this comment on a relevant WO post :)

    Cam, I have always felt that I would like to write a book. I think I could churn one out in a couple of weeks. Any chance I could have a look through your emails? Feel free to select the ones you would prefer I see, and I’ll do my best with them.

    Sauce for the goose, etc.

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  185. doggone7 (819 comments) says:

    At what time of the exercise does the name of the doctor who tells you you’ve got syphilis become important?

    After other opinions and facts confirm that the first doctor was right does it matter?

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  186. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    “At what time of the exercise does the name of the doctor who tells you you’ve got syphilis become important?”

    Probably when you discover that the doctor publicly releases syphilis diagnoses for anyone who isn’t a member of his golf club?

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  187. Mr_Blobby (189 comments) says:

    It doesn’t look like Whaledump/Hager have anything to hide.

    But Whale oil certainly has a lot to hide.

    Wonder how the emperor Whale likes his new clothes.

    No I say let it all hang out the good, the bad and the ugly.

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  188. adze (2,129 comments) says:

    “No I say let it all hang out the good, the bad and the ugly.”

    Fine by me, if it comes to that – as long as it is all, and not some cynically curated subset like Hager’s.

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  189. Southern Raider (1,831 comments) says:

    Whaleoil has a link to a tweet from Vikram Kumar that he is looking for a new job.

    Wonder what is happening inside Mega and KDC

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  190. Mr_Blobby (189 comments) says:

    Yes adze With you on that

    Lets get it all out in the open.

    Sunlight is good.

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