General Debate 31 August 2014

August 31st, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Everyone seems to be missing the big news – Patrick Gower has named Winston Peters “Winner of the week”.

    For giving Gower an interview?

    Patrick Gower: Voodoo and madness of King Winston”

    More like voodoo and madness of Pawn Patrick.

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  2. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete

    I think Gower is right. But not because Winston scored any goals, but that everyone else managed to obtain a heap of penalties. For once Winston is not enmeshed in the dirt – he may be fanning the flames, but the dirt isn’t his. Quite a unique position for Winnie!

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  3. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Our evil commie plot to destroy the right forever is coming along nicely.

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  4. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Winston is still dirty, trying his old trick of smears by insinuation absent any evidence. His old school methods have been superceded – to get traction you actually need to have emails as evidence and you actually have to produce them.

    He’s trying to get in on a game but the rules have changed and he is stuck in the ways of old school dirt. He’s been overtaken by social media.

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  5. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    Mark Steyn on multiculti and what must be done.

    http://www.steynonline.com/6543/the-reformation-of-manners

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  6. Lindsay Addie (1,512 comments) says:

    The other winner of the week could well be Colin Craig especially if the next lot of polls released keep showing a little swing in his direction.

    As for Winston (who I do not like) he did do nothing in particular and did it very well. Which is what good politicking is all about. ;)

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  7. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

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  8. 2clever4U (20 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson. Don’t gloat old goat. “Communists” slaughter first the intelligentsia.

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  9. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    Timely words from spiked

    The dangerous trend towards policing private words and thoughts in sport, politics and society, highlighted recently on spiked, inevitably brings to mind the descriptions of the Thought Police and thoughtcrime from George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four. And as ever, there is more to Orwell’s insight than is often assumed. The purpose of the Thought Police is not simply to punish those found guilty of mentally erring from the politically correct state diktat.
    It is also to encourage the rest to practise ‘crimestop’ – described by Big Brother’s public enemy number one, Emmanuel Goldstein, as ‘the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought… Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.’
    Thanks, but I’ll take the risk of living in a relatively free world where there might be dodgy private texts lurking on somebody’s smartphone, rather than one where everybody’s inner thoughts are laid bare and we are safe in a blanket of collective ‘protective stupidity’.
    by Mick Hume, editor-at-large

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  10. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson. Don’t gloat old goat. Communists slaughter first the intelligentsia.

    Actually it was a joke. The great communist plot is is in fact to do nothing and watch people like Slater and Collins do the job for us. We simply can’t match their capitalist efficiency at demolitions.

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  11. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Tom Jackson (2,494 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 8:06 am

    Yes Tom, the master plan is working well – it was so wonderful to have Slater and Collins agree with help us implement it! :P

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  12. hj (7,011 comments) says:

    “The Marginal Buyer Of Sydney And Melbourne Real Estate Has Changed”

    We allowed the profits from the ‘once in a century’ mining boom to fall into private hands.

    As Sydney Morning Herald’s Economics Editor Ross Griffiths recently clarified in his commentary on Abbott’s efforts to remove the ‘mining tax.’

    “There is a lot of ‘unearned’ economic rent associated with the exploitation of limited mineral deposits,” and countries like Australia would be “mugs not to tax much of that rent rather than letting largely foreign companies walk away with most of it.

    ‘Mugs’ we are.

    But what about land?

    Asia’s influence is marketed as positive news, however, the one area that receives the most overwhelming negativity, it its influence on our real estate market, precisely because of the some of the issues hinted in the paragraph above.

    We have little, if any, understanding of the accumulated wealth being brought into the country, and recent settlers have little experience with the local market, or misleading practices surrounding real estate price quoting.

    This lack of transparency and education within the industry itself needs addressing, however, it’s a subject I’ll explore further in another column.

    The geographical location of land is fixed and limited in supply. Therefore we can’t all benefit from economic advantage gained from ownership of the best seats in town, without effective taxation of the resource that is.

    A correctly administered broad based land value tax (as explained here – reducing taxes on productivity) would not only encourage the ‘good’ utilisation of land, but if handled efficiently, gains could be fed back into the community to assist increased investment into infrastructure and social services

    This would further aid both the expansion and development of our cities, with the flow on effect ideally taking the speculative element out of the housing market, and assist in reducing its destructive influence on prices.

    This alone, would go a long way to reducing the wealth inequality currently experienced in our big cities.

    http://catherinecashmore.com.au/wp/?p=468

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  13. 2clever4U (20 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson. Joke, yes, I know, but you’re still gloating and have been for some time.

    Do you take it up the arse? (No joke, looking at Labour…)

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  14. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Yes Tom, the master plan is working well – it was so wonderful to have Slater and Collins agree with help us implement it!

    Plenty of time for we conspirators to relax with some vodka and Shostakovich.

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  15. Sublime (295 comments) says:

    So what’s the deal with the Malaysian diplomat? Isn’t he supposed to be back in town before too long?

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  16. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson. Joke, yes, I know, but you’re still gloating and have been for some time.

    I told you lot this would happen back when the Oravida stuff was going on, and none of you listened. If Collins had been fired then, none of this would be happening.

    Do you take it up the arse?

    No. I take my gloating orally, garnished with a slice of lemon.

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  17. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    Our media know what’s happening but won’t report it ,in case they’re accussed of racsim. A bit like the Rotherham scandal. Very little has been said of the Kurdish man beheaded ,unlike when one of their own,Foley got it. This is even worse,it’s unspeakable cruelty, whre is the outrage?

    More people care about animal welfare than human welfare and genocide in Syria and Iraq!

    http://www.satyablog.org/2014/08/26/isis-beheading-children-and-women-after-stripping-naked-graphic/

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  18. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ 2clever4U (14 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 8:19 am

    I didn’t realise that gloating was the sole property of the right. Have you not noticed the comments that get put around everytime someone from the left stuffs up? At least try to disguise your hypocrisy.

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  19. hj (7,011 comments) says:

    High Property Prices Drive New Zealand Immigration Debate

    It is difficult to know for sure how many nonresidents, including overseas investors, own property in New Zealand. Economists’ estimate the figure could be anywhere from 3% to 20% across the country.

    “Anecdotally, you would say they are the marginal buyer, but in terms of proving that, where the government falls down is in not actually having information to draw a policy conclusion from,” said Chris Green, head of research at brokerage First NZ Capital.

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/high-property-prices-drive-new-zealand-immigration-debate-1404366537

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  20. Lindsay Addie (1,512 comments) says:

    Much for on the Collins-Slater debacle on Stuff:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10443223/The-real-reason-behind-Judith-Collins-demise

    If this is true it doesn’t make pretty reading for the some people. The Nats don’t need an official her majesties opposition when Slater is around.

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  21. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kowtow (7,927 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 8:23 am

    It is true, many do care about animal welfare more than what is happening in Syria. I wonder if that is because it animals are seen as lesser beings, but when people of the same species start acting in a way that is so appalling, it is hard to comprehend, so instead people ignore it, not wanting to understand what it might say about humanity itself?

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  22. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    JUDITH COLLINS,im shouting out that the silly women is the gift that keeps on giving. Off to read the story in the SST,and the ultra right winger slater taking the living god John Key, to the PC.Every days a holiday on KiwiBlog

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  23. oldpark (328 comments) says:

    It is getting harder and harder these days to work out,who is up who ,and who is eating Chinese Takeaways,and who is not paying.Who will be next .

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  24. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Watch for Farrar to start talking up English any minute now.

    It seems the rational conclusion. Ol’ Bill is a hunk of rice pudding, but just what is needed after a night on the turps.

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  25. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Guys
    Take a look at the “General Debate” on Whaleoil. It appears I am not alone in my disdain for Slater. The idiot kept damaging emails that should have been deleted immediately. Now he has gifted Cunliffe the Prime Ministers spot. Tool!

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  26. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Now he has gifted Cunliffe the Prime Ministers spot. Tool!

    Nah. He’s gifted Peters a whole lot of votes from disaffected National voters.

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  27. Lindsay Addie (1,512 comments) says:

    flash2846,

    I did have a brief look 20 minutes ago and yes some of the sycophants are having an epiphany about their ‘leader’. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bloke.

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  28. 2clever4U (20 comments) says:

    @Judith. Gloating is not the preserve of the right, nor stupidity either, it seems, but the left are more adept at both.

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  29. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    Everyone seems to be missing the big news – Patrick Gower has named Winston Peters “Winner Whiner of the week”.

    FIFY

    Or maybe he meant wine-er.

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  30. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Whale Oil has been running a series of posts of support. Another on today: Message of support

    It’s difficult to see them as anything other than self promoting PR product endorsements.

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  31. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Why do you guys hate Winston? He’s already signalled he will go with National.

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  32. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    We simply can’t match their capitalist efficiency at demolitions.

    Nah, capitalism weeds out those who play the game poorly.

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  33. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Tom, the fake right are getting what they’ve had coming for a long time. Slater and Ogders and Collins etc are not your real enemy. They’ve been your friend, and that’s why they have to go.

    The soft weak lover of separatists, and communists disguised as environmentalists, and plaything of the elitist govt bureaucracy Key will go now too. Not right away but eventually.

    So its all good mate.

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  34. oldpark (328 comments) says:

    Was listening to the news and I heard Materalistic Turei,(alias the reincarnation of FriarTuck),from Green Taleban Party talking about another inquiry.Most of the political rumours and claptrap are from 2011. Would be timely to inquire into the scam that her party was running a secret rental trust with taxpayers money ,and leasing the properties out to greenie sycophants.At the same time another inquiry into how her party got away with thousands of dollars of damage ,on National Party electoral signs.SEEMS THE HEAD OF THE SIGN GANG HAD A GIRLFRIEND IN( Joe Stalin master commie) alias Russel Abnormals office.Now that would be well worth a police prosecution.

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  35. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ flash2846 (222 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 8:32 am

    Slater is a jerk, but he is no idiot. He didn’t keep those emails by mistake. I suspect he knew one day he would find a use for them. The question is, did he chose this time or was it chosen for him. I guess the question will be answered when this is all over, and the eventual ‘winner’ is declared… and I don’t mean the winner of the election.

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  36. G152 (341 comments) says:

    Winston isnt the great hope some claim he is.
    Flash some baubles and all that BS goes out the window as we’ve seen before.
    And Slater appears to have a game running where he’s only interested in harming National and all those ‘revelations’ promised don’t exist..

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  37. OneTrack (3,093 comments) says:

    Tom – “Why do you guys hate Winston? He’s already signalled he will go with National.”

    Yeah right, pull the other one. Doing his best to attack the government clearly indicates he has no intention of going with Key. And what could he talk Cunliffe into? That’s right – anything. Cunliffe might try his serious face but Winston wouldn’t fall for that.

    Vote Winston, get Green/Labour/Internet and NoMana.

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  38. hj (7,011 comments) says:

    What’s going on?

    Rising property prices – the product of the plot of land that sits underneath the structure – are unashamedly promoted in most modern economies, as the key driver to boost the privatised wealth of its nation, with the hope the payoff effect will feed other areas of consumption.

    They are no longer just ‘national’ affairs, but open to international speculation and investment, of which Australia is by no means immune.

    When the Federal Government states in its policy document that it “welcomes foreign investment” which

    “…has helped build Australia’s economy and will continue to enhance the wellbeing of Australians, by supporting economic growth and prosperity..”

    You can assume toward the top of that list, is the investment into the land market – residential or otherwise. And as official figures show, few – if any – applications are ever turned down and real estate captures the majority interest.

    But the Government cares little – the gains in property are the ‘silver lining’ Obama needs to maintain popularity. And he had no hesitation in boasting as such when he recently stated;

    ”Today, our housing market is healing!” (Healing!) “Home prices are rising at the fastest pace in 7 years…”

    (Faster even than incomes it seems, with first homebuyers at their lowest level since the crisis began.)

    Premium localities in the cities of New York and London are openly marketed as ‘safe havens’ for the internationally wealthy. Isolated from the local economy, as local workers are forced out, and rumours of homes laying vacant for much of year provoke neighbourhood outrage.

    It’s now reported, for every minute you spend on the three Underground stops between Earls Court and Sloane Square, property prices rise by £96,647.

    However, (as with Australia,) outside of half hearted central bank ‘don’t spend too much’ warnings, there little rush to limit the inflationary rises.

    This pattern is always the same. It’s allowable to let productivity and industry fail whilst small businesses suffer, but woe to the Government who allows the privatised ‘wealth’ fund of its aging population endure any such demise.

    http://catherinecashmore.com.au/wp/?p=468

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  39. jcuk (686 comments) says:

    Flash2846 … surely to delete does not destroy anything short of a major clean of the whole hard drive such as being physically destroyed.

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  40. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    lindsay addie

    ‘Epiphany’ indeed. Chist’s manifestation to the Gentiles.

    My epiphany over there was his agressive bigotry towards the Roman Catholic Church.

    If Slater had manifested that hatred towards any other non western religious group he’d have been hunted to extinction particularly by our cowardly MSM.

    They’re hunting him now cos they can,over dirty politics. Another bunch of craven cowards.

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  41. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    I’m sure the investors who lost money in Hanover Finance, some 4 to 5 hundred million, expected that the Government would do as they claimed and tighten up the finance markets, but not at the same time be working to weaken the case against the Directors of Hanover. The leaked letter isn’t proof, in fact it’s rather weak in isolation, but added to the modus operandi of what are now proved leaks – it’s sinister. The questions now are if the public are expected to accept that a single minister worked ‘alone’ in this fashion, or if she was in fact the accepted ‘conduit.’ We need to know more on this, frank disclosure. It won’t go away and the only way a stable National Government can emerge after September 20th is for this to have been put to bed. If more need to go then so be it, but it’s important that the line up at election time should be untarnished – but is that possible or are we seeing a re-arranging of the deck chairs. If what is revealed in the last 24 hours the ‘operatives’ are now turning on their masters, treachery abounds and that ain’t good Governance.

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  42. hj (7,011 comments) says:

    A policy disaster.

    Following the 2008 crisis, when Kevin Rudd decided to put in place measures to prevent any major deleveraging of household debt, one of these was to openly advertise ‘relaxed’ regulations around the acquisition of residential real estate for temporary residents, companies, and developers selling solely to overseas buyers.

    Whilst the wisdom of such a move was debatable, what followed was a truly disastrous state of affairs

    Attempts by Walkley Award winning journalist, Chris Vedelago, to obtain accurate data under the freedom of information act, to monitor the level of increased demand being widely asserted by industry advocates – was repeatedly frustrated.

    According to the then Assistant Treasurer, Senator Nick Sherry, any effort to establish a greater understanding of the FIRB’s compliance system, was not in the public’s “best interest.”

    http://catherinecashmore.com.au/wp/?p=468

    Economist Tony Alexander last year posted details on his website of what he told an inquiring Chinese journalist about the real levels of Asian involvement in the Auckland property market:

    “My survey of real estate agents indicates about 20% of dwelling sales go to people located in China. There is no information on foreign purchasing of houses in NZ beyond that survey and much more work needs to be done before one can say definitively what the actual proportion is. More than a simple survey is needed for that. There is no information on the proportion of the housing stock currently owned by foreigners and certainly zero information on any of the characteristics of any of the foreign groups buying houses in New Zealand.

    “With regard to Chinese buying of houses — I have yet to find a single person in New Zealand who agrees with the survey results. Everyone believes that the true level of Chinese house buying in Auckland in particular is much higher than my survey suggests. The issue is rarely mentioned with regard to any other part of New Zealand,” says Alexander.

    http://www.itsnotok.net.nz/#!interest-rates/cqns

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11216375

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  43. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    The big winner out of all of this has to be Paula Bennett’s husband, who definitely got laid last night.

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  44. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    So Gareth Hughes thinks that power companies like Genesis shouldn’t be allowed to advertise (including sponsorship of programmes like MKR) because that money could just go towards reducing what customers pay.

    Does he have no concept of operating in a competitive market and what happens when you have high fixed costs and your customer revenue decreases? So Genesis should not advertise and let purely private companies like Contact take all the new connections

    And these clowns could be running the company in one months time

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  45. WineOh (630 comments) says:

    I kind of agree that Winston is the winner this week, much as I hate to admit it.

    Winston’s battle is one of political relevance. He used to be the media-magnet for anything off-key or sensationalist, always ready with a glib word… usually devoid of substance but enough to make a headline. Just enough anti-status quo policy to rope in a few key voters and a reputation as an anti-corruption crusader (ironically!). A lightning rod for anyone with juicy inside knowledge looking for a place to leak it.

    His role as a leaker has been key as it requires someone inside of Parliament to be able to create accusations and innuendo with the protection of parliamentary privilege – but now anonymous social media he know longer holds the cards there. In terms of offsider minor parties, there are numerous to choose from now. I-M, Conservatives, Greens, plenty of easy ‘gotcha’ quotes to fill a journalists quota.

    Slowly it seems age has been catching up with him, slower off the mark, missing more than he hits with his radical accusations.

    Now he can be seen once again as the one holding the gun – bringing about the demise of a government minister, and galvanising his old base.

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  46. stephieboy (3,063 comments) says:

    Joe Karam supports the resignation of Judith Collins.

    NZ better off without Collins: Karam,

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11316814

    Entirely predictable.!

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  47. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    Jackson (2,502 comments) says:

    August 31st, 2014 at 9:05 am

    The big winner out of all of this has to be Paula Bennett’s husband, who definitely got laid last night.
    ****

    Jackson, you are simply a sick, obnoxious prick.
    Sling your hook back from whence you came.
    Fuck off – permanently

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  48. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Really?
    Karam ,why in godsname does his opinion count or matter?
    He supports a murderer who was released because his conviction was overturned.
    He still has not proven he wasnt guilty,there was doubt cast thats all.

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  49. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Judith we usually dont agree,but I believe mostly you have been on the Money about Collins lately.

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  50. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    stephieboy (2,520 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Entirely predictable.!

    As is your response. :-)

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  51. Odakyu-sen (652 comments) says:

    2cleve4U notes: “Tom Jackson. Don’t gloat old goat. “Communists” slaughter first the intelligentsia.”

    My 2-cents’ worth (from a theoretical perspective)
    Communism is centralized authority where decision-making has to pass through a single gate. The free market (like the natural world) is where decision-making occurs at the grass-roots level. In the natural world there is “parallel processing” to solving problems; each individual makes its own decisions.

    Consider if you will a zoo, where the animals are looked after in a “utopia,” each according to its needs, as decided for it by the central zoo-keeping authority. On the other hand, look at an acre of natural landscape or a mile of seashore, and see all the wild animals living, feeding, loving and dying, all on their own, without the intervention of a higher “authority.”

    What can we infer from these two systems:
    1) Communism is conservative: it will resist change. (Which means that anything or anyone who can challenge the central authority is “an enemy of the people.”) So, the last thing you want is a population who can choose (discriminate) for themselves. All decisions over what is “good” or “bad” must be left to the central authority. Hence the moves to strip the power of judgement from the people.
    2) The free market is progressive and dynamic. Just as forests may change to deserts, or deserts into forests, the system is dynamic. Change is inevitable, and those individuals who cannot adapt must leave or perish. It is an amoral and heartless system, but rest assured that all the animals and plants are acting in their own best interests.

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  52. hj (7,011 comments) says:

    Then and Now.
    Car crushing boy racer law passed

    Green Party MP Keith Locke said his party did not support the bill because it “goes in the wrong direction”.

    Toughening penalties as a response to crime was only filling the prisons, he said

    Labour MP Darien Fenton said it was supposed to be a “king hit” on boy racers, but it would not make a huge difference.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2986199/Car-crushing-boy-racer-law-passed

    The Sensible Sentencing Trust is pleased with the findings that the illegal street racing offences have reduced by an impressive 49.6% in the past four years since the introduction of a controversial legislation.

    “This just goes to show that Hon Judith Collins car crushing legislation alongside tougher penalties have worked,” Ruth Money SST Spokesperson says.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1402/S00460/fact-car-crushing-works.htm

    Commissioner’s consultation over Tasers a travesty

    “Introducing such a fearful weapon would be a big move towards the more violent US style of policing. This is absolutely not something for the police alone to decide.

    “The Green Party has never disputed that the Taser could be useful in particular circumstances – as could any weapon. But the dangers of the Taser are much greater – including the resulting deaths from 50,000 volt shocks and the undermining of good police-community relations which are so important in fighting crime.

    “The Taser is an excruciatingly painful weapon, which the UN Committee Against Torture has described as an instrument of torture. It will unnecessarily induce fear in the community if it becomes part of the police armoury.

    https://home.greens.org.nz/press-releases/commissioner%E2%80%99s-consultation-over-tasers-travesty

    Tasers were among the least injury-causing tactical options used by police, the report said.

    Excluding minor probe wounds, only 1 per cent of those it was used against during 2013 sustained further injury.

    Of the 12 Taser-related injuries reported, four were categorised as “moderate”, and two were categorised as “severe”.

    Superintendent Barry Taylor said it was “really pleasing” that Tasers were deployed in only 0.04 per cent of the 2.8 million recorded face-to-face interactions police had with the public last year.

    “The data also shows that when used appropriately, the Taser continues to be a very effective tactical option for keeping our staff and the public safe,” Taylor said.

    “During 2013 it has again proven its powerful deterrent effect in de-escalating threatening and violent situations, backed by the fact that for every six times it was presented, it was discharged only once.”

    The report addressed Tasers being discharged, and also Tasers being shown to potential offenders. This was done when police or members of the public were verbally or physically threatened, or the threat of weapons was apparent.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10258052/Tasers-more-favoured-by-police

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  53. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ lilman (922 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 9:40 am

    I suspect we both belong to the same species, bound to be something we agree on. I even reckon that despite most of us being at odds on here, we could all sit down and share a beer and there wouldn’t be any blood shed!

    I never had trusted Judith Collins. This is going to sound terribly sexist, but women in politics seem to feel that they have to be ‘stronger’ and better than the males, rather than just equal. So evidence (Helen, Shipley etc) demonstrates that they sometimes go overboard with that, and we get the results we are currently seeing.

    Women have their place in politics, but not as ‘men’ rather for the unique qualities they have, that should compliment male input. When women try to act like men, they understandably fail – same effect is gained when men try to walk in high heals.

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  54. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “If Slater had manifested that hatred towards any other non western religious group”

    Well, he’s manifested plenty of hatred towards anyone or any group that wasn’t progressive in its underlying nature. Conservatives in particular.

    That’s why I’m non partisan in the matter of the scandal that is tearing National apart.

    If you’re a Conservative, the feeling is you have had war waged upon you equally by both Labour and National, so it makes little difference who wins or loses in that battle.

    The bottom line is the progs have to be taken down, and we should be grateful for this disclosure of the dirty dealings going on behind the scenes for it weakens their hold on power, and just as they gained it bt by bit by bit, so they will lose it.

    We just have to persist with the mission of destroying both National and Labour. After all, they would destroy us if they had the chance.

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  55. stephieboy (3,063 comments) says:

    Judith (8,416 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 9:41 am

    As is your reply.!

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  56. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Jackson, you are simply a sick, obnoxious prick.

    Oh shut up you loony.

    Bennett has won big time with this scandal. She’s now the #1 woman in National’s caucus, because she cleaned up her image, shut up and decided that it was better to be firm rather than obnoxious.

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  57. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Can any of you learned people tell me – is there any way the election could be postponed?

    Does anyone have the power to do that at this stage?

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  58. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    @ Tom Jackson (9.46am) – then why didn’t you say that in the first instance, instead of dragging her husband into the political debate? Politicians’ families sacrifice enough, without attempts at schoolboy humour like yours, or the more sinister crap that your fellow Tom (Scott) writes in the name of art.

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  59. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ stephieboy (2,521 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 9:46 am

    Should we do this all day, I’m free till noon? :P but I guess I could clear the calendar, as its you!

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  60. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    @ Tom Jackson (9.46am) – then why didn’t you say that in the first instance, instead of dragging her husband into the political debate?

    FFS it was a jokey way of saying Bennett must be over the moon with how things have gone. May well be true tho.

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  61. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    Judith….
    Nothing….
    Well, nothing short of the outbreak of a global thermonuclear war…and the election suspended by the declaration of a state of emergency… signed off by GG Gerry
    ….but others may know more.

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  62. wiseowl (893 comments) says:

    Judith.

    Why on earth should the election be delayed?

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  63. stephieboy (3,063 comments) says:

    wiseowl, my theory is behind Judith’s thinking by postponing the election date to say November might give David Bain a window of opportunity to get a hand out.

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  64. Yvette (2,819 comments) says:

    How is Judith Collins reputedly undermining SFO director Adam Feeley any different to Winston Peters story (so far without a shred of evidence) that he was asked if he would more likely work post-Election with Judith Collins should John Key be rolled from his position as National Leader, which could be interpreted as also undermining him a little?

    And Peters claims he received the “approach” before Oravida, so we are asked to believe he spent months in Parliament Question Time trying to undermine Judith Collins on Oravida, but mainly humiliating himself, rather than use the “roll John Key plot” he was supposedly privy to?
    Perhaps didn’t use it because he hadn’t yet made it up.

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  65. wiseowl (893 comments) says:

    Winston on The Nation trying to look all statesmanlike and positioning himself as though he is the leader of the country.
    Well he doesn’t fool me.What about his treatment of Horan and now Williams?

    The only clean party is the Conservative Party.
    No baggage, no clinging shit , no conniving or manipulation.

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  66. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Can you tell me what a sign on a letterbox saying ‘no circulars’ means ?

    Colin Craig’s minions clearly can’t. I’ve been honoured over recent times to receive three stunning pieces of glossy rectangular shaped insta-bin booklets, largely over-simplified ambiguous nonsense of course, featuring NZ’s own Mr pop-eyed sexytime fun machine hobbit and his grinning back-up bafflers. In other unrelated comments calling themselves ‘conservative’ is like Red calling National centre-right.

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  67. Fight Communism (33 comments) says:

    PREPARE TO WIPE YOUR

    A R S ES on the NZ FLAG

    TRAITORS and SELL your

    COUNTRY to COMMUNIST CHINA

    VOTE NATIONAL

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  68. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “Well he [Winston] doesn’t fool me.”

    Yes, Tom Jackson and other progressives are only talking up Winston because their real fear is the Conservatives might gain.

    The mission is to take down the progressive coalition revolving door National Labour bloc. The Conservatives are not perfect but they are far more effective in this intent than the tired old NZ First party who are really as devoid of an underlying purpose as the Nats are.

    So we push the Conservatives into govt as the thin end of the wedge that will eventually see Conservatism restored as NZ’s primary political force.

    As I said, they aren’t perfect, but they’re the best strategy, and can be whipped into shape over time.

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  69. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ wiseowl (823 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 10:02 am

    Because the campaign has been dominated by accusation and counter-accusations – all of which have confused many of the voters.

    I suspect the truth in the ‘dirty politics’ saga lies somewhere in the middle – however, we need evidence, and we (the electorate) need to know, firstly the truth, and secondly, if fault is found, that the current government is prepared to ‘fix’ the problems it has.

    I do not think going to the polls in an environment, such as we have at the moment will be positive for NZ.

    @ Stephieboy

    You poor obsessed wee bunny – not everything is about Bain – that matter will not be sorted for months or more, with or without Collins.

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  70. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “Can you tell me what a sign on a letterbox saying ‘no circulars’ means ?”

    That such minutiae concerns you so much you need to write about it here is a stark demonstration of just how receiving dole money over an extended period of time completely destroys people’s minds.

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  71. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    “How is Judith Collins reputedly undermining SFO director Adam Feeley any different to Winston Peters story (so far without a shred of evidence) that he was asked if he would more likely work post-Election with Judith Collins should John Key be rolled from his position as National Leader, which could be interpreted as also undermining him a little?”

    If you really have to ask that question you are crazy.

    One is an allegation that a minister of the crown is attempting to attack an official who is investigating potential criminal behaviour at a finance company that thousands of people lost their life savings in; with suggestions of links between her and the people involved.

    The other case, Winston Peters isn’t a minister and John Key is a political rival, not a public official doing his duty investigating alleged criminal behaviour.

    Key sacked her for a reason, what is being alleged here is as serious as it gets, it’s third world corruption stuff.

    I don’t know if it’s true, but I suspect we’ll find out soon enough

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  72. lilman (959 comments) says:

    I like Collins but she has,If these allegations are true,clearly stepped over the mark.
    I expect my MPS,and Ministers to act fairly,she has been on dangerous ground for a while.
    But also there are many more MPs and ex- ministers who probably have done worse ,left and right,they should be exposed as well.
    Also not forgetting other Parties.
    I hope National win and will do everything I am able to see that outcome,they are the best option for my family and the country hands down.

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  73. Milburn35 (41 comments) says:

    On Q+A this morning David Parker came out with the same old theme that by having a capital gains tax the heat would be taken out of the speculative housing market and money would be invested in productive industries His government would move away from just exporting milk powder and logs and to encourage industry to add value rather than just volume. I am sure that Fonterra would rather sell more baby formula and cheese than just whole milk powder, but obviously the market isn’t there for this to happen. Having a capital gains tax, compulsory Kiwi Saver, and increasing the top tax rate is an easy recipe for adding value for the government not for us or exporters

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  74. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    That had to be the worst Q+A I ever had to misfortune to endure.

    More scandal scandal scandal… OK have to endure the sewage because some policy might actually turn up.
    So Bill English and Parker sort of spoke housing/finanacial policy… as in Bill got the occasional word in while Parker blathered continuously over the top of English, in fact I didn’t even notice Parker breath in. What an obnoxious git.

    So we go to the panel and did they comment on the Financial policy just spoken about…. Nooooooooooooooooo
    More Colins this, Slater that. It got so fucken old that the texts along the bottom were the only policy comments.
    And who ever that ex-Labour candidate was on the panel, infected with Parker disease of constantly talking over the top of everyone else Arrgghhhhh

    Wankers

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  75. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Hone has sold his race down the drain for Money,what a coward.

    Mana now supports drugs for their families after years of fighting the dope trap.

    Coward and sellout.

    A real porch Maori for Kimdotcom.

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  76. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Fuck conservatism. We need more radical thinkers to lead us towards a brighter future

    An impotent septigenarian holding the balance of power in any left/right leaning gov’t doesnt seem a very bright idea nor particularly forward looking.

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  77. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  78. wiseowl (893 comments) says:

    Judith you are exactly the type of person the media love.
    The media have dominated the campaign and Hagars book has played right into their hands.Ask yourself what the accusations and counter accusations are about. Certainly hasn’t confused me.
    Clever people see through all the bs and spy the truth.

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  79. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Now we know why Key gave such a lacklustre performance on the leaders debate on Thursday night. He was distracted by all this Collins mess.
    He looked quite relieved when he made his announcement yesterday.
    Unfortunately, it’s starting to look like there is more to come if what Hooten said on Q&A is correct.

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  80. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    Minutiae does indeed concern me greatly. That is why I’m here today especially to address any and all concerns that any commenter might like to raise regarding the person who posts under the pseudonym ‘Redbaiter’.

    Red is living proof that no matter how small or insignificant the person, I will still treat them as though they are towering giants to be praised and loved.

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  81. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Did anyone see Slater mouthing off to the media, saying that he and Collins will always be friends and that they will always give back double?
    Please Slater just stop, you’ve done enough damage.

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  82. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “What has Colin Craig ever done for the public or public interest”

    He’s worked and paid taxes so a legion of left wing bludgers like you can eat and afford shelter.

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  83. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    Talking of David parker on Q & A ,did his gaffe about “low value” immigrants came up?

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/election-2014/313898/immigration-gaffe-jumped

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  84. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    lilman

    I’m not sure that Hone is a porch Maori but he certainly seems to have become someone’s pooch.

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  85. wiseowl (893 comments) says:

    We know about your public record Penny.

    Explains the huge support you have.

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  86. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “I’m not sure that Hone is a porch Maori but he certainly seems to have become someone’s pooch.”

    Racism is just the horse a lot of these useless opportunist pricks hitch their wagon to because its provides a meal ticket. They’ll take any better offer without any scruples if it comes along.

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  87. renderer (82 comments) says:

    What has Penny Bright ever done for the Public good. Does not paying rates qualify one as a team player or a leader. Penny Bright’s track record is that of a bludger and a cheat

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  88. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Maybe,Maybe, My wifes family cant stand his tribe,bullies who ran amok years ago and look down on other tribes with disdain.
    You should hear what her mum calls them and her Hapu are all in agreement.

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  89. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Cameron Slater still purporting to be a ‘journalist’?

    With his admitted ‘embellishment’ of the facts regarding Judith Collins ‘gunning’ for the removal of Adam Feeley (then head of the Serious Fraud Office?

    Penny Bright

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  90. seerob1946 (24 comments) says:

    AUCKLANDERS washing their linen in public.. all the players in this disgusting debacle are Auckland based.. yet again chaos.. that is why Auckland city is in the mess it is in..

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  91. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    Penny Bright asks

    What has Colin Craig ever done for the public or public interest apart from stand for public office?

    Paid his rates? Not defaced candidate billboards, then bragged about it? Not tampered with water meters, and encouraged people to do likewise depriving a city of revenue?

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  92. wiseowl (893 comments) says:

    No mention of the Supreme Courts decision over the ownership of water.

    They have found that iwi in the case did not own the water but also suggest that the Crown do not own the water either.

    Very interesting.

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  93. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    My proven track record?

    Initiated a petition and provided evidence to the Local Government & Environment Select Committee – exposing the rort of Metrowater ‘charitable payments’ which helped to stop the practice.

    (Auckland City Council had planned to raise $320 million over 10 years – but through this inquiry – this rort was ruled ‘unacceptable’ and this practice was stopped.

    Also worked closely with Graham McCready and we managed to get John Banks held accountable for electoral fraud, in an unprecedented and historic Court case.

    Penny Bright

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  94. fernglas (157 comments) says:

    I wish whoever owned all the bloody water that is landing on my place would come and take it away. The dog is busting for a walk.

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  95. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    Multiculturalism,political correctness the left and racism. Mind you the so called right have “embraced” progressivism too.

    Too easy to blame the left, the whole political establishment elite is to blame.Something has to change.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11065878/Labour-MPs-Left-ignored-sex-abuse.html

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  96. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    In the 2013 Auckland Mayoral campaign – I polled 4th with 11,723 votes campaigning against corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region.

    Seems that on the corruption ‘whistle-blowing’ front – I’ve been dead damn right.

    Penny Bright

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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  97. Don the Kiwi (1,754 comments) says:

    Penny.

    FFS – just pay your bloody rates and stop stealing water.

    Then we might listen to you – (but why I don’t know)

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  98. stigie (1,183 comments) says:

    Sounds like your parents didnt pay you enough attention when you were a child Penny ?

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  99. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/basketball/10443197/Tall-Blacks-to-unleash-new-haka-at-World-Cup

    The best part is how the opposition just walk past and ignore them as they are making their stupid googly-eyed faces and poking their tongues! Hilarious!

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  100. Tauhei Notts (1,712 comments) says:

    I’m sure the humour, of the turkeys performing before they lost to Turkey, was not lost on the victors.

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  101. wf (441 comments) says:

    MSM missed this one! Pity we didn’ t see it earlier. Might have saved us all from yesterday’s debacle.

    .http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/government-to-save-400-million-by-doing-ice-bucket-challenge-on-behalf-of-whole-country/

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  102. KH (695 comments) says:

    I”m amazed at how many people here don’t get that Judith Collins is only a sideshow in the story. The real story, yet to be examined fully is Hotchkin, Carrick Graham, Slater, Ogden and the New Zealand Herald. And where does David Farrar fit into it?
    Good job so far Fairfax !
    Lets have some more Oxygen onto the matter. Specifics I would like to see is the dollar figures, and a full list – yes a full list – of the recipients.

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  103. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    “Lets have some more Oxygen onto the matter. Specifics I would like to see is the dollar figures, and a full list – yes a full list – of the recipients.”

    A bit like the global warming scam that RNZ and Wallace Chapperson were running before their mid day propaganda broadcast .

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  104. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    If you had ever needed proof that Stuff readers are 90% Labour voters read the comments section on this link….

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/home-property/10443906/Couple-sue-lawyers-over-luxury-holiday-perk

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  105. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    Nice of Winston to take the credit for the current state of affairs lol I bet David Cunliffe would love to be able to come out and take credit for something…anything? Wouldn’t that be funny.

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  106. Bill (94 comments) says:

    Farrar is in the mix: hence his change in monitoring policy when the Hagar book came out.
    Besides hosting a bunch of racists, misogynists and science deniers Kiwiblog has repeated and added currency to Whaleoil’s attack lines.

    There is no conspiracy. These is a bunch of like-minded bigots who got-off on operating in the sleazy dark side of human nature. Vanity is what got Collins and Slater. Vanity will collect a lot more scalps before the election and after the Commission of Enquiry.

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  107. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Bill:

    The Standard is <<< that way <<<

    Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

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  108. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Joe Williams, who was controversially promoted from chief judge of the Maori Land Court to the High Court, has rejected a police application to seize the car and cash of Jack Makitania Whakatihi, head of the notorious Nomads gang.

    The police said the car and cash were from proceeds Whakatihi received from an amphetamine supply racket.

    Judge Williams, a Maori, is reported as saying the police failed to establish the cash they found has come from drug sales, Justice Williams said. It was more likely than not to be club fees, which Whakatihi had said he collected as president of the Foxton branch of the Nomads gang.

    In 1993 elderly Foxton doctor Howard Teppett was beaten to death with an iron bar in his own home, and his 78-year-old sister was raped. One of the two men charged with the killing was a Nomads prospect, but the gang vehemently denied involvement.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10444178/Gang-boss-can-keep-car-and-cash-judge

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10531609

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  109. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    A thought Collins islander chinese husband might dump the pasty bitch, face is important with the COMMUNIST CHINESE and collins has fucked his face with her chinese owners

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  110. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Bill (2.35 post) … another of the stray mongrels that wandered over from the Standard.

    Who left the pens open over there?

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  111. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    lurcher1948 (3.41)

    More incoherent, indecent babbling from a mentally disranged leftist.

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  112. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out!

    Earlier today I was reflecting on the sudden deluge of leftist commentators here at Kiwiblog as Collins’s blood seeped further out into the waters, and on the fact that only one regular leftist was willing to turn up and try and defend Obama on DPF’s recent thread about him.

    One!

    All those howling, gleeful commentators who crowded into Kiwiblog in 2008, and to a lessor extent in 2012 – have simply vanished – and any attempt to link to those periods of left-wing insanity is disparaged as “old news”. As if the commentators have actually learned something.

    So it has been with similar elections surrounding ye olde Mandarin speaking “genius” sociopath Kevin Rudd in 2007, or his replacement Julia Gillard (the “Barrister with a Bricklayer’s Accent”), or Tony Blair or Gordon Brown. It’s all stuff that happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

    And there’s no shame or red-faced embarrassment either.

    I don’t think the term “memory-hole” even begins to cover this, and if the latest incarnation of leftist genius – Cunliffe-Norman – wins at the polls this year here in NZ, I’ll be willing to bet that three years of the usual face-planting clusterfucks will be greeted with the same silence from the left.

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  113. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter (3.44):

    If the Green-Labour faction were to win the election, there would be three years of chaos, as their brief reign would coincide with diving export commodity prices and a marked economic downturn internationally. The Greens would hike the price of petrol in addition to the price jump that will come from a falling NZ dollar. Both would hike up taxes to keep a smidgen of their prices.

    The West Coast would all but die as the Greens strangled mining.

    The good thing is this would the very end of Green and Labour in NZ.

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  114. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter:

    Well said!

    The irony, of course, is that the refugees from The Standard who come here are (within the limits of DPF’s generous commenting policy) allowed to make fools of themselves.

    Over at The Standard, though, the iron fist of the world’s best sys-op (because he tells us so) is ever-twitching at the slightest bit of departure from acceptable left-wing lines. Bill’s attack on DPF above, for instance, would have seen him banned over there (had it been an attack on one of their bloggers).

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  115. MH (753 comments) says:

    One of the rowing eight has managed to hit a crab and it appears she has been ejected from the boat. Cox Key has been seen still head above the water and steering erratically heading towards an old clinker 27 foot Montague whaler that has been slowly making ground waves on an island of their own resources.

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  116. Gulag1917 (916 comments) says:

    The lesson that can be learned about Mr Key is that appeasing everybody does not work because ultimately the disgruntled will turn on you. Not too late to fight back just makes it a lot tougher.

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  117. edhunter (546 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/10443202/Some-satisfaction-in-suing-sex-worker

    And on a slightly lighter but actually pretty creepy note a customer falls in love with his hmm hmm service provider and hires a PI to track her down. She quite rightly seeks a restraining order & gets one for 5 years. So far so good, client says hey that’s a bit excessive & the judge agrees & and reduces it to 12 months, so far so good right? Except the prick has already breached the order 25 times within the 12 months. How does that work?

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  118. Ross12 (1,425 comments) says:

    Despite all the glee over the issue of recent days the Yahoo News poll ” Can National win the election given Judith Collins’s resignation? ” has Yes running at 73%. Unscientific maybe but a fairly good indication of where the average voter is at.
    Political pundits can enjoy the” season” but the average voter makes the ultimate decision.

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  119. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    Bill (94 comments) says:

    August 31st, 2014 at 2:35 pm
    ****

    This appears to be none other than Irish Bill from the Standard… one Robert Egan, an arsehole, and ex (or now again current) EPMU functionary, and one time (post EPMU) “independent” communications adviser to that silly woman, Wright, the Parliamentary dickwoman for the Environment.

    Fuck off back to the EPMU Bill

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  120. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Would you like a slice of my schadenfreude flipper?.

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  121. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Hole in one flipper at 5.28.

    Anyone got an idea who is the scumbag who uses the pseudonym Milk Me?

    On the other hand, I’m not sure this scum-Left poster would be safe given his vile comments about one of our regular posters.

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  122. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    I thought I’d pop over to The Standard – purely for research purposes – to observe the latest troll groupies in their natural environment.

    While there, I observed this smackdown:

    phillip ure
    29 August 2014 at 6:50 am

    comments still vanishing..

    [lprent: From the behaviour it appears that some security patch from a few days ago doesn't like odd punctuation, like .. and ://. I will probably have to limp through to the weekend before I have time to find and fix it. ]

    Te Reo Putake
    29 August 2014 at 8:09 am

    If it’s going to stop Phil from posting illiterate, illegible tosh, can I suggest it’s not a bug, but an upgrade?

    Ouch!

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  123. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Nostradamus (3,139 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 6:12 pm

    How did you get back in here without going through quarantine?

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  124. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Judith: let’s say I have friends in high places!

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  125. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    ….”I thought I’d pop over to The Standard – purely for research purposes”…..

    Say ten Ave Marias & go & stand on the naughty step until bedtime. :)

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  126. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Nostradamus (3,140 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    I’ve recommended you for a bravery award. I’m a loopy leftie, and even I’m not brave enough to venture over there!! Mind you, once they read you’ve been there, they’ll be busy for a while disinfecting the place!

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/plo8pvj9m4mbl6a/10600517_10202940756183536_6770800216966121557_n.jpg?dl=0

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  127. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Judith:

    I’m a loopy leftie, and even I’m not brave enough to venture over there!!

    Does that mean (in terms of having Kiwiblog as your adopted home) that you’re a bit like a saltwater crocodile in a freshwater habitat? :)

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  128. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    So it seems that NZ’s sporting arrogance is not restricted to Rugby Union. TV One (aka Labour party TV) have led a piece about the NZ Basketball team’s latest game with the “news” that the opposition team “refused” to face the rain dance prior to the start of the game.

    All opposition teams should refuse to face the rain dance, those from other nations should not be forced to stand still so the NZ team can stamp their feet and poke their tongues out at them.

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  129. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Edward Saafi, who is fifth on the Conservative list has said that “the anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections”. Ref: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10443905/Smacking-bans-suicide-link

    Even if we ignore the hyperbole it is obvious that their desire to return to the old status quo of beating the devil out of defenceless children knows no bounds.

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  130. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    TV3 sports news: End of game in pouring rain under lights Auckland kicker misses shot at goal on a fair wide angle to convert a draw into a win against Tasman.

    And the faggot newsreader has to slip this no-one wants his opinion comment in: ‘mmm – you’ve got to get them at that level’.

    Shut up dick. How many goals has he kicked sitting behind his desk dressed like a shifty real estate agent looking dapper in his shiny TV gayboy suit huh ? And what level would that be ? NPC third tier crap with a stadium crowd ban apparently. I’d like to see that idiot play a game of rugby and then read the sports news straight afterwards. Oooo – really expect more at your level – professional autocue reader – don’t fluff your lines superstar.

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  131. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Nasska:

    Sounds a bit like this story – Eric Abetz draws link between abortion and breast cancer before World Congress of Families:

    Senior [Australian] government minister Eric Abetz has drawn a link between abortion and breast cancer in a television interview.

    Senator Abetz, the leader of the government in the upper house and the Employment Minister, made the comments on Channel Ten program The Project on Thursday night when asked if he believed the “factually incorrect” statement that abortion leads to breast cancer.

    “I think the studies, and I think they date back from the 1950s, assert that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer,” he said.

    When his comments were questioned, Senator Abetz said: “There are other organisations [other than the Australian Medical Association] that have differing views.”

    Senator Abetz, who is openly anti-abortion, is involved with this year’s “World Congress of Families” event to be held in Melbourne this month. One of the topics to be discussed is abortion and breast cancer.

    On Friday morning, Senator Abetz said in a statement: “Media reports that I have drawn or believe there is a link between abortion and breast cancer are incorrect.”

    He said he was cut off before being able to acknowledge that the view linking abortion with breast cancer was not the accepted medical view.

    Media savviness is an essential skill in modern politics. Abetz (if we accept his “I was cut off” claim at face value) should have got straight to the point. I’ve heard him being interviewed and he comes across as waffly.

    I see from your article that Saffi holds a doctorate in biomedicine. That’s fantastic, but if he doesn’t come up the media savviness curve quickly, he’ll be portrayed as nut nut nutter (as Griff might say).

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  132. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Nostradamus (3,141 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    Well, that’s a vast improvement from being bottom dwelling pond scum!! I must be coming up in the world! Maybe I’ll get to be a dolphin one day! Although that would restrict me to the salt water.

    Actually I don’t really fit in any of the defined political categories. Hate inequality in chance, but hate the welfare system more (I blame it for most of our social problems). I guess I’m eclectic – perhaps more of a crab … meandering my way around, but can still pinch if I need to? :-)

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  133. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Bruv- I posted on that at about half eleven. The video footage is in the link. Watching the Turks wander past completely disinterested as the ‘Tall Blacks’ (Dumbest name ever) stamp their feet, poke their tongues out and go all googly-eyed is bloody hilarious!
    Hence the ‘outrage’ from the NZ media. The whole world MUST bow to ‘our culture’ and stand there looking terrified as we make throat slitting gestures at them… Apparently….

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  134. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    So long as Colin doesn’t introduce him to his own media coach he might make it Nostra. :)

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  135. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    Sorry Knives, I did not realise that you were already onto it.

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  136. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    No need to apologise Bruv- Always refreshing to hear your balanced and sensible opinions on the embarrassing joke that is the haka..

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  137. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Which reminds me- I got dragged along to a ‘Breakers’ Game one night. Was bombarded with horrendous ‘Gangsta Rap’ and American ‘Gangsta’ Hand-signals throughout the game. All the New Zealand players interviewed afterwards put on rather phoney try-hard American accents.
    Rather amusing and ironic that the NZ Basketballers are now all up in arms about someone ‘Disrespecting our Culture’, when they all seem so desperate to ditch it and assume another…

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  138. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    WTF?

    The New Zealand Falcons overcame the loss of a key playmaker and a yellow card inside the last 10 minutes to clinch the third-tier Bingham Bowl final at the gay rugby World Cup in Sydney today.

    Competing in the tournament for the first time, the Auckland-based Falcons beat the Emerald Valkyries from the United States and Ireland 25-17 to justify their formation as New Zealand’s only gay rugby team last year.

    Wow…

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  139. jakejakejake (134 comments) says:

    I saw John Key today at the local Mall with a harem of young boys wearing blue Team Key shirts. Was very weird and reminded me of the Roman Emperor Tiberius and his nipping minnow boys.

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  140. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Nostradamus- Haven’t heard from D4J today. Any truth to the rumours he was the team’s strapper?

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  141. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    The role of the party political Office of the Prime Minister is currently not enshrined in statute or regulated, and is quite simply out of control.

    Penny Bright

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  142. Tauhei Notts (1,712 comments) says:

    In a midweek match last year at Campbell Park, Morrinsville 3500 spectators watched Waikato beat Horowhenua 83 – 0.
    Today at Eden Park, Auckland 2000 spectators watched Auckland draw with Nelson – Marlborough, 16 – 16.
    1. How many millions and millions of dollars did the taxpayers of New Zealand pour into Eden Park?
    2. How many millions and millions of dollars did the taxpayers of New Zealand pour into Campbell Park?
    3. Why do the rest of New Zealand have to subsidise the Jafas and their sporting venues.
    I know the answer to #2 but #1 and #3 are beyond my level of comprehension.

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  143. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Longknives:

    Remember that memorable quote “I see dead people” from The Sixth Sense? Well, in a funny sort of a way, I see D4J lurking in the background, down-ticking everyone who isn’t one of Richie’s mates! If (or when) he decides to formally announce his presence, perhaps you could ask him who he roots for on the New Zealand Falcons team? :)

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  144. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrcudjknvggyz6k/Wankstain%2011.gif?dl=0

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  145. freemark (580 comments) says:

    “Warm welcome for Cunliffe in home electorate” NZ Herald Headline..but, wait for it, scroll down…

    “About 30 Labour supporters dressed in red gathered during on a drizzly morning at Avondale Market to support Mr Cunliffe”

    No need to panic just yet True Blue supporters…

    :)

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  146. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    True blue nz is a big leap to the right >>>>>>Property of one RedBaiter.
    Even worse than the standard for the inability to tolerate alternate views.

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  147. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    My uncle was a racist and a hopeless xenophobe but he once gave me some valuable life advice. He said, “I don’t like foreigners but occasionally when you take a really deep look inside them you’ll find something wonderful.”

    Anyway, he was a customs inspector at Mangere airport.

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  148. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Yet another troll from the Standard, using the pseudonym “jakejakejake”, in a 7.22 post reveals his own inner fantasies when he alleges John key is with “a harem of boys” and talks of “Tiberius and his nipping minnow boys”.

    The troll calling himself “jakejakejake” obviously supports the NZ Labour Party, which has the highest proportion of gays to heterosexuals of any political party in the Southern Hemisphere.

    Not that that matters, but heh, is DPF keeping a track of the computer identities and entry paths of these trolls from the Standard?

    If so, he might put them up, and some of Kiwiblog’s fans might reveal the names of more of these trolls (see Flipper’s 5.28 post).

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  149. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    Gee, seems like a lot of people on here get ‘insider’ information, nasska lol. Isn’t that verboten? Or are only the chosen ones selected.

    Sounds like tribes of yore. The peasants always being the last to know. Bon chance Judith Collins, it is a far far better thing that you have done for your country than you possibly appreciate at this time.

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  150. freemark (580 comments) says:

    @ Griff
    I wasn’t aware of, or referring to any group or blog..
    True Blue in my context refers to those of us who have been forced to adopt the Lefty attitude to politics..the end justifies the means.
    But when Cunliffe keeps getting handed an electoral lifeline, on a daily basis for weeks and can only muster 30 supporters in his home electorate..
    Very telling, innit.
    But while you are here, I asked you some questions last week regarding AGW/Climate Change.
    You being the expert & all, I’d still like to know your responses to these points:
    1) Climate change will bring as many benefits as downsides
    2)We have in GMO & other human technologies the ability to soak up massive amounts of CO2
    3) The alarmist reports of recent increased storm & adverse weather events are factually incorrect.

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  151. Lindsay Addie (1,512 comments) says:

    I’d like to know what others here think of the Greens/Labour rant about Judith Collins and the PM’s offices be treated like a crime scene. Let me say I’m glad Key has got rid of Collins but there is currently no evidence that she has committed a crime of any kind. All she is guilty of in my mind is poor judgement on more than one occasion but that is all.

    Won’t the authorities first have to establish that there is reason to believe a crime has been committed (something like under s. 116 of the Crimes Act) before the cops or anyone else marches into Beehive offices seizing computer or other records? And would the cops have to get a search warrant first?

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  152. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Judith (8,428 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 6:57 pm

    @ Nostradamus (3,141 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    Well, that’s a vast improvement from being bottom dwelling pond scum!! I must be coming up in the world! Maybe I’ll get to be a dolphin one day! Although that would restrict me to the salt water.

    Actually I don’t really fit in any of the defined political categories. Hate inequality in chance, but hate the welfare system more (I blame it for most of our social problems). I guess I’m eclectic – perhaps more of a crab … meandering my way around, but can still pinch if I need to? :-)
    ==================
    No Judith. Try out Votenz. probably 75% ACT.
    Ease your troubled mind.

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  153. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Just minutes before his big political rally in Greerton, SunLive reporter Hunter Wells caught up with Kim Dotcom on camera. –

    See more at: http://sunlive.co.nz/news/81286-dotcom-exclusive-interview.html#sthash.3K8ZCoZW.dpuf

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  154. freemark (580 comments) says:

    @Viking2
    From that article “Love him or hate him, you can’t ignore Kim Dotcom’s pulling power”
    Yeah, I can just see the mansion shaking as he furiously tweezers himself…not hard to imagine who the “catchers” are either..

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  155. IC5000 (112 comments) says:

    “nasska (10,902 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 8:02 pm
    My uncle was a racist and a hopeless xenophobe but he once gave me some valuable life advice. He said, “I don’t like foreigners but occasionally when you take a really deep look inside them you’ll find something wonderful.”

    Anyway, he was a customs inspector at Mangere airport.”

    I’ve always wondered who the poor sods were that had to run their hands through the laxative-induced shit of suspected drug mule. Tell your uncle he’s doing a great job protecting our borders.

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  156. IC5000 (112 comments) says:

    “nasska (10,902 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 8:02 pm
    My uncle was a racist and a hopeless xenophobe but he once gave me some valuable life advice. He said, “I don’t like foreigners but occasionally when you take a really deep look inside them you’ll find something wonderful.”

    Anyway, he was a customs inspector at Mangere airport.”

    I’ve always wondered who the poor sods were that had to run their hands through the laxative-induced shit of suspected drug mules. Tell your uncle he’s doing a great job protecting our borders. He must have some great work stories.

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  157. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Viking2 (11,265 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    I did, and yes it came in ACT, National and Conservative. Can’t remember what order.

    Even the internet is plotting against the inner me! :-)

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  158. freemark (580 comments) says:

    Hey Penny
    When the Govt spends $billions of taxpayer dosh on beneficiaries and there is no accountability by the recipients, does that mean a legitimate protest is refusing to pay tax?
    By your apparent logic seems legit to me…

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  159. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Don’t fight your psyche Judith!

    Tick the box for National…..you know you want to. :)

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  160. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    I have copies of Official Information Act replies signed by the highly politically partial, Number One spin doctor, Wayne Eagleson, Chief of Staff of the unregulated Office of the Prime Minister, whose role is not covered by statute.

    It is NOT the role of the party political Office of the Prime Minister to reply to OIA requests addressed to the Prime Minister John Key.

    That is the job of the apolitical, politically independent Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet (DPMC).

    How come at the highest levels of our NZ Government – the lines are so blurred regarding the roles and functions of these two quite different organisations connected in quite different ways to the Prime Minister?

    Who holds the Office of the Prime Minister accountable?

    How can staff employed in the Office of the Prime Minister if their role is not covered by statute or regulation?

    How ‘mickey mouse’ is this?

    NZ ‘perceived’ to be the least corrupt country in the world.

    What meaningless bullsh#t is this?

    Heard anything lately from the NZ Government funded ‘Transparency International NZ’ on any of these recent corruption scandals?

    Prime Minister John Key is the LEADER of the National Party.
    The role of the Office of the Prime Minister is to protect John Key as LEADER of the National Party.

    John Key as Prime Minister is also the head of the NZ Government.

    In this role, it is the job of the apolitical, politically impartial Department of the Prime Minister and a Cabinet (DPMC)

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  161. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    The arseholes of the net will choose to hang off the self-destructive like Slater or dive into the older sewer at Kiwiblog. The more rational will come here or to Public Address or Transport Blog where the conversations may be robust but their comments can be heard.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/wakeup-call-for-the-media-has-slater-done-us-all-a-favour/#comment-876851

    The rational left.

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  162. freemark (580 comments) says:

    C’mon Penny
    You are more corrupt by far than John Key.
    He declares his sources of income, but you refuse to.
    Do you think we are all batshit too?

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  163. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Another pearler:

    I don’t think John Campbell is a left wing journalist. He is just a good journalist who tells the whole story and doesn’t put a right-wing spin on it.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/wakeup-call-for-the-media-has-slater-done-us-all-a-favour/#comment-877240

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  164. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Judith (8,431 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    @ Viking2 (11,265 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    I did, and yes it came in ACT, National and Conservative. Can’t remember what order.

    Even the internet is plotting against the inner me! :-)
    ====================
    Well Judith, I ‘m reminded of the many Gay people who when the come out comment on the freedom its gives them.

    Party Vote Act and please your inner self.

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  165. stigie (1,183 comments) says:

    “I have copies of Official Information Act replies signed by the highly politically partial, Number One spin doctor, Wayne Eagleson, Chief of Staff of the unregulated Office of the Prime Minister, whose role is not covered by statute.”

    Well good for you Penny. I would imagine you would have copies of all those rate demands owing the ACC as well !!!!!!!

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  166. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    skid mark
    1 Not according to the worlds scientists. Tthere will not be more upside to agw than down The majority of the worlds nations agree that we should not heat the planet by more than 2 C or the result will be catastrophic. To place +2C in perspective -4 C gives a climate with 1000m of solid ice over new york city.
    2 gmo are not a solve at lest as far as I am aware.
    3 When scientists produce papers stating Their findings you dont believe them… Are you a Luddite religious nutter?
    Nothing new for a wingnut.

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  167. anticorruptionnz (215 comments) says:

    @ freemark

    I happen to know where Penny gets her income from it is currently from one flat mate, she is not financially influenced by any one and if many more coped as well as she does on living on the smell of an oily rag and was as resourseful as she is this would be a very different country. you would not survive a week living on her budget.

    We are not wrong about Corruption for years we have ben ignored, but like all rot you cannot hide corruption forever and sooner or later the holes show.

    Grace Haden independent for Epsom

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  168. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    Nostradamus

    I had no idea there was a gay NZ rugby team. Are they called the Gay All Blacks or the Gay Blacks?

    I see no reason at all why they should not use either of those names.

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  169. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Shit, Jack5 is into outing trolls on kiwiblog.

    How about outing youself first, champ ?

    Put up or shut the fuck up!

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  170. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Anticorruptionnz:

    Penny will need to find another income source when Auckland City Council exercises its rights (in relation to rates defaulters) and sells her home.

    Penny uses her website for various purposes including, relevantly, to solicit donations from the public. I’ve asked Penny some questions about this fundraising activity (on a smartphone so can’t link to those questions at the moment), but funnily enough she’s not really into transparency when it comes to her personal affairs!

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  171. Nostradamus (3,326 comments) says:

    Here are the questions that Penny (as a self-confessed transparency campaigner who aspires to become an MP) refuses to answer: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/general_debate_5_august_2014.html#comment-1373380

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  172. Dead Earnest (160 comments) says:

    Penny; New Zealand is one of the least corrupt and most tolerant countries in the world.
    And you should be thankful for it.

    In most of the coutries you doubtlessly admire, rates defaulters would be thrown in prison.
    Said in a kind and caring sort of way.

    Kind Regards
    Dead Earnest

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  173. starboard (2,536 comments) says:

    The rabid left are like salivating dogs at the moment… running around with hard ons thinking they have finally toppled the Nats.

    Ya fucking dreaming the lot of you. Do you think the average Joe Blogg cant see thru your shit screen? Bunch of losers.

    I’ll be wetting myself with glee on election day when the Nats landslide in and wipe the floor with you lot.

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  174. toby1845 (194 comments) says:

    It’s sort of amusing to watch the carry-on in NZ from abroad. I fly back on 11 September, and have already made arrangements to call into my local (ie, same city as my NZ home) cop shop, to lay a complaint about a school teacher who molested me in 1972. The local top-cop is an old friend from school days.

    The ex-teacher must be 70 now, but never mind. He’s a Labour activist, so he’s fair game.

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  175. toby1845 (194 comments) says:

    Some help for Deadly Earnest:

    “Penny; New Zealand is one of the least corrupt and most tolerant countries in the world.
    And you should be thankful for it. Unless, of course, you are a bludging Skank-whore.

    In most of the countries you doubtlessly admire, rates defaulters would be thrown in prison. So pay up, Skank-whore, and stop bludging off the rest of us. Or go to prison and have fun with a tent pole.
    Said in a kind and caring sort of way.

    Kind Regards
    Dead Earnest”

    There you go, mate. Fixed it for you!

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  176. toby1845 (194 comments) says:

    stephieboy (2,524 comments) says:
    August 31st, 2014 at 9:25 am
    Joe Karam supports the resignation of Judith Collins.

    It’s funny…….I seem to remember an All Black called Joe Karam. From memory, he was crap.

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  177. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Cameron is feeling nervous: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738787/Cameron-faces-Ukip-election-bloodbath-Party-set-win-Commons-seat-shock-poll-reveals-Farages-staggering-44-point-lead-Tories.html

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  178. Pete George (23,561 comments) says:

    Are you back from holiday Manolo? I wondered if you might have gone to ground over dirty politics.

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  179. IGM (392 comments) says:

    Can’t wait for Emails pertaining to an indecent assault on a young boy during a Labour social event being released. They possibly involve all those one would expect, including some one would not even think capable, of this disgusting behaviour. Cunliffe wants to realise, what goes around comes around!

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  180. Slipster (170 comments) says:

    @Nostradamus (10:08pm): Transparency from Penny? Hmm, I rather wonder when will she finally confuse her templates and post something along the lines of: “Dear friend, I am a Nigerian princess who recieved some money from my rich uncle and I need your help to …”.

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  181. MikeG (425 comments) says:

    How’s the rock star economy doing?

    ” Export volumes have experienced their biggest fall since 2008.

    In the June quarter, they fell 5.3 percent as a result of decreases across key primary products.

    Statistics New Zealand says meat and forestry export volumes both fell 8.3 percent, while dairy volumes saw a two percent drop.”

    Typical rock star – don’t last long at the top.

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  182. deadrightkev (468 comments) says:

    Redbaiter

    “If you’re a Conservative, the feeling is you have had war waged upon you equally by both Labour and National, so it makes little difference who wins or loses in that battle.”

    Aint that the truth.

    What is happening to the Conservative party in the UK will soon happen to the Nats. I give Colin Craig a royal chance of a good result this election despite the progressive bloggers campaign against him.

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  183. mcardnas (84 comments) says:

    MikeG (415 comments) says:
    September 1st, 2014 at 4:02 pm
    How’s the rock star economy doing?

    ” Export volumes have experienced their biggest fall since 2008.

    In the June quarter, they fell 5.3 percent as a result of decreases across key primary products.

    Statistics New Zealand says meat and forestry export volumes both fell 8.3 percent, while dairy volumes saw a two percent drop.”

    Typical rock star – don’t last long at the top.

    rock star on the way to a very expensive re hab

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