How Hager got it wrong on The Princess Party

August 22nd, 2014 at 5:10 pm by David Farrar

One section of ’s book stated I had organised a Princess Party, and had dialogue from some unnamed people about getting girls drunk, with an implication I was part of that conversation.

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I was not the organiser of the party, and was not a party to the conversation. Yet Hager published this as fact. It is reasonably defamatory as various people have smeared me over it.

I did attend a party in 2011 in Palmerston North held the day before a party conference. I was not the organiser. I invited two friends along, of similiar age to myself. Off memory it was called a Princess Party, because the Royal Wedding was occurring around then. As a Republican, I’m an unlikely organiser.

The e-mails have been released by Whaledump, and I quote from then below. I’m redacting the names of the participants, but of course the source e-mails are on Whaledump.

Name 1, 4/26, 12:02am

my email doesn’t get read

lol

Apparently Pinko is the main driving force behind the Princess party

Now this e-mail is presumably why Hager thought I was the organiser. But he gets it totally wrong. They are laughing at the fact that someone thinks I am the organiser. This is the problem where you write a book on stolen e-mails, and don’t verify, fact check, or interview a single person for it.

One must note the irony of the comment about e-mails not getting read though :-)

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Name 2, 4/26, 12:03am

well i was going to say i have cleared the field for you, given you the most likely targets and will get them drunk for you
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Name 1, 4/26, 12:03am

he has invited [REDACTED] to it and to the one the next night
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Name 2, 4/26, 12:03am

righto, good cleint recruitment

he asked if he can bring Name 3, which i said yes to
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Yep, I got invited to a party, and invited two friends to it – both of a similiar age to me – one male and female. I had no role in the conversation reported in the book. Yet the book reports me as the organiser, and implies I was involved in the conversation.

If Mr Hager is doing reprints of his book, I would appreciate it if he could make the appropriate corrections.

And perhaps this is a lesson to everyone out there, not to take everything in the book at face value. If he has got this wrong, what else has he got wrong? Again this is what happens when you don’t verify anything or give people a chance to respond.

UPDATE: I actually blogged on the party in 2011. To quote me:

Had a very fun night in Palmerston North last night (a sentence which some might say was unlikely to ever be uttered by me) watching the Royal Wedding. Yes I’m a Republican, but I can still enjoy a good wedding. The dress code was tiaras for women and black tie for men.

It was a hilariously mixed group of people. Three out of the five Kiwiblog editorial team were in attendance, plus I’d guess half the Don Brash coup committee. A wedding can be a good uniter :-)

We also had members of the Monarchist League and Republicans, so it was a very good fun night. Debating the constitutional reform at 1 am is so much more tolerable after many bottles of champagne.

Somewhat sad that it was a party, and I’m debating constitutional reform at 1 am at it. Also a very different impression to what Hager’s book implied.

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83 Responses to “How Hager got it wrong on The Princess Party”

  1. mjw (401 comments) says:

    Hager should certainly correct that on reprints. Hope he does. Actually, there should be nothing to stop the e-book being corrected in a reasonably short period of time.

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  2. RF (1,487 comments) says:

    DPF…. Time this lying little prick was taken down. Someone should sue his arse.

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  3. Graeme Edgeler (2,972 comments) says:

    Off memory it was called a Princess Party, because the Royal Wedding was occuring around then.

    You don’t have to take it off memory – you posted about it here!

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  4. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    I’m sure that there would be plenty of support for a fund to sue the wretched little git for any defamatory comments in instances of genuine reputational damage, although that latter qualification would likely exclude at least one prominent individual frequently mentioned in despatches …

    It would certainly provide some light entertainment post election when everyone is bored with kicking cunners.

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  5. Jack5 (5,274 comments) says:

    Hearsay, gossip, guesses, wild deductions, peppered with the odd fact to give credence. It’s been the technique of fantasists through the Ages.

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  6. flash2846 (289 comments) says:

    Ya gotta sue him DPF. We can pitch in for costs and support.

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  7. toad (3,674 comments) says:

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  8. IGM (614 comments) says:

    The mongrels that printed this filthy piece of crap should share some of the responsibility for this defamatory and libel-ridden smear as well as Hager. There would have been a lot decent printers that would not have touched a foul piece of deception such as this publication . . . I sure hope they are rewarded.

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  9. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    There’s also a typo in the title of the book, which will hopefully be corrected in the 2nd edition:

    DIRTY POLITICS

    DIRTY LIES

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  10. Ross12 (1,484 comments) says:

    DPF –the chances of Hager making corrections are ZERO. People like him would not think it was necessary.

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  11. labrator (1,851 comments) says:

    Hager and the leaker are getting dirtier by the day. Hager could have googled ‘princess party dpf’ and found the blog post that Graeme Edgeler has found. So much in a rush to smear whoever in National he could that even googling things was put in the too hard basket. So much for an being an ‘investigative journalist’.

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  13. labrator (1,851 comments) says:

    But I am surprised and disappointed you consider as friends or have anything to do with people who express this vile misogyny:

    @toad You have friends that express that ‘vile misogyny’ they just don’t say it to your face.

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  14. Cunningham (846 comments) says:

    toad (3,672 comments) says:

    “If Hager had interviewed anybody, word would have got around and he would have been injuncted to prevent publication.”

    So that makes it’s alright then to publish defamatory bullshit from illegally hacked emails?? Yet people call him a journalist. Spurred on by your Green mates who complain about dirty politics but are more then happy to go about and wreck party billboards!

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  16. Grendel (1,013 comments) says:

    any proof Dean that this is a pattern of behaviour?

    Can you categorically say that those ‘emails’ are posted completely as they were originally written,in the same context? you have 100% proof that what hager says happened happened? 100% proof that none of them are doctored or just made up (which has been claimed by more than one person across more than one of hagers books).

    No? didn’t think so.

    struggling to see the ‘vile misogyny’ that toad is whining about. funny how whiny lefties have to go for emotive hyperbole when they have no real argument. just throw a vile, or horrible, or nasty etc and some sort of ism or ist, racist, misogynist etc and your job is done. no need for an objective argument when you can string together an epithet and a label.

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  17. duggledog (1,620 comments) says:

    Sue him, I would. Somebody should

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  18. hmmokrightitis (1,596 comments) says:

    Actually xy, if youre a thinking grown up, you realise as you get older that when someone starts getting facts wrong, its deliberate, they are stupid, or its a one-off.

    In Hagers case, its not a one off. And hes not stupid. Well, not THAT stupid. The man is a vile little creep who is, I repeat myself, happy to use stolen property to make a buck. To my mind thats no better than buying stolen meat down the pub.

    And again, so everyone is clear, Im not partisan about this. I think JK should have sacked Collins after a day verifying facts, IF she did disclose that persons name. Thats NOT what I expect from a Minister of the Crown.

    But you know what Hager and MSM, fuck off, we want to concentrate on issues and policy, not made up shit. THEY ALL DO IT. They are human, and its politics, its a dirty business.

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  20. Southern Raider (1,777 comments) says:

    I think someone needs to start a class action. Should be private citizens so it’s not “political” I know lots of people who would chuck in $10 or $20 which would very quickly add up.

    As the journalist on a previous post pointed out. In fair journalism every accusation is followed up with the “accused” to ensure there is actually something to answer to.

    Hager new his book is full of misrepresentation, lies and manipulated communications ie shit and knew if he actually acted like a journalist the book would never have been published.

    Maybe we should ask the public in NZ if they would want every text, every email, every voice message and every drunken conversation to be published for the rest of the world to see and make judgement on. Everything can be taken out of context, cut and pasted selectively to promote and agenda and stupid things said after way too much to drink

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  21. Richard (885 comments) says:

    ”If Mr Hager is doing reprints of his book, I would appreciate it if he could make the appropriate corrections.”

    If Hager did corrections in a reprint- A) All the juice would be lost and there would be nothing for him to base his innuendo on and B) The corrections would run to twice the length of the book. Not really cost effective for Nicky and his publishers bank balance. Also that would really not be fair on Labour , the Greens, NZF and Mana/dotcom as they are basing their election campaigns around it. Have a heart DPF!

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  22. Grizz (613 comments) says:

    DPF:

    Sue his little arse. Hager has picked a fight with the wrong people on this book. He has picked on people with relatively high public profile who do not hold a public office. People with a lot of friends and supporters. He is also being used as a pawn in someone elses dirty tricks campaign, notably KDC. He must be watching his back from now. Chances are he probably fears his friends more than the new enemies he has created.

    Hager has accused you of grooming young women for sex. He should be made to retract or flush his head down a toilet. Trouble is, if he starts retracting his statements, he will start to derail an active plan of dirty politics. If he does this, then he probably has a lot more to be worried about.

    The other thing DPF, You can say what you like here, the media are not going to pay attention. They seem stuck in their own little world of sanctimony at the moment.

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  23. Brian Smaller (3,966 comments) says:

    I read the passage from Hager’s book and the associated emails. It was pretty apparent to me the ‘retards’ referred to Young Nat men, not women. So – at worst, this shows that two people can infer different things from two other people’s private conversations.

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  24. Southern Raider (1,777 comments) says:

    Anyone a litigation expert here who can set up a fundraising page to take a civil case against the little prick?

    When the court documents are filed they will need to contain some of the claims which the MSM will have no choice but to print and this will be the first opportunity to enable Kiwis to see how much fudge their is in this nursery tale

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  25. oldpark (411 comments) says:

    @Grizz 6.04pm

    Agree with what you say about the so called media.Saw a cue reader on the Labour Party Channel TVNZ.Completely commenting about our PM in a very derogarty manner.The guy who reads the news ,wouldn’t lick John Key’s boots.Yet here we have to hear a raving ratbag news reader public servant treat our Prime Minister with complete arrogance.

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  26. nasska (12,088 comments) says:

    Few things would give me more pleasure than seeing the little creep in court having his arse sued off him but it would be a waste of money & effort. By the time our glacially slow justice system allowed the action to be heard we would be preparing for the next general election.

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  27. Southern Raider (1,777 comments) says:

    Naaski I agree which is why my point is just get the papers lodged and then we can always withdrawal before the court date.

    How long does it take to file papers? Could an injunction be placed on the media from quoting from the book and hacker.

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  28. Tom Barker (150 comments) says:

    “we want to concentrate on issues and policy, not made up shit”

    For a party that wants to concentrate on issues and policy, the Nats seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and energy feeding scuttlebutt to sewer-dwellers.

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  29. nasska (12,088 comments) says:

    ….”How long does it take to file papers? Could an injunction be placed on the media from quoting from the book and hacker.”….

    I’m not a legal man so I wouldn’t have a clue. The biggest danger would be giving the socialist parties & their media mates an opportunity to squawk about suppression of information.

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  30. Grizz (613 comments) says:

    @Old Park,

    The best way to stop the media going down their path of hate is to stop their relevance. Do not watch their TV shows. Do not buy their newspapers. Once ratings drop, so does advertising revenues and eventually so does their jobs.

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  31. rightoverlabour (132 comments) says:

    Hager should be sued by everybody he has defamed. Despicable little creep.

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  32. Reid (16,681 comments) says:

    One of the interesting issues isn’t it, is that every single lefty with a 3-digit IQ knows this is bullshit, and every single lefty apparently takes pride in their belief that they are the righteous, good guys.

    It’s what drives them.

    And yet, have we seen any lefty at all make any comment similar to that journalist, who was only saying what everyone with a 3-digit IQ, left or right, already knew.

    No.

    So the next time you’re talking to such a lefty, I suggest you ask them why they didn’t stand by their principles?

    After all, conservatives talk about liberty, a free economy, a small state and personal choice all the time. That is our equivalent of the lefty’s human wights.

    But part of those human wights, unless it’s just a front, is to condemn actions like Hagars.

    But they don’t.

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  33. itstricky (2,021 comments) says:

    You seem to be indicating that, although the allegation that you were the organiser was incorrect, that the email quoted above is factual.

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  34. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    Tom Barker

    For a party that wants to concentrate on issues and policy, the Nats seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and energy feeding scuttlebutt to sewer-dwellers.

    And having complained several times in another thread about how DPF shouldn’t be interviewed due to (in your opinion) his lack of independence, will you now take the same view of Nicky Hager – a partisan activist that writes books, and someone who would rather get unbalanced, defamatory and incorrect material into the public space than be sure about his facts?

    DPF makes no pretence as to where his sympathies lie; but when he is in the media for comment neither does he pretend to be a “journalist”.

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  35. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    DPF… If there is one good that that can be seen from this blog its how much bigger you were back then!

    Good on you!

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  36. Tom Barker (150 comments) says:

    Adze, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t think that I’ve ever complained, on this site or anywhere else, that DPF shouldn’t be interviewed.

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  37. Nookin (3,557 comments) says:

    Toad
    Hager is on record as saying that journalists have a non-negotiable obligation to be accurate and fair and to protect their sources. See the link to his article on on the thread about Goff. Are you saying that non-negotiable must be read “subject to the proviso that timing is everything and accuracy and fairness must succumb to the over-riding goal of kicking National in the slats”?

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  38. Reid (16,681 comments) says:

    Nookin, lefties have different rules. For them, their cause makes everything OK. Anything goes, for the cause. It’s their life. It’s their soul. It overrules truth, justice, humanity or any other similar “little” thing that they decide, in their own heads, simply isn’t compatible with the sacred cause.

    Pathetic isn’t it.

    But that’s who they really truly are on the inside, as evidenced by their own actions, which speak as we know, much much louder than mere empty words.

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  39. adze (2,130 comments) says:

    @Tom Barker

    My apologies. I had you mixed up with Tom Jackson :

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/some_changes_for_kiwiblog.html#comment-1384205
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/some_changes_for_kiwiblog.html#comment-1384148

    I think this is the first time I’ve noticed there were two lefty “Tom”‘s posting here.

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  40. Johnboy (17,015 comments) says:

    I hope none of you bastards at the party ate cake if bread was available! :)

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  41. Tom Barker (150 comments) says:

    “My apologies. I had you mixed up with Tom Jackson”

    Hey – no worries, comrade

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  42. MrTips (103 comments) says:

    It used to be that those on the NZ left sat around most days masturbating to the Style Council and Rage Against the Machine whilst proclaiming lines from Rules for Radicals and Pedagogy of the Oppressed.

    But now they have been infected with a malevolent strain of hatred for anything and everything good that has come from the last 700 years. They have transformed from agents of change to agents of destruction. And where do they want to take us?

    They can’t say – and that’s the bloody scary thing – if National lose, this country is toast as we will be lost and alone on the wild wild sea of malevolence and whim.

    This country really needs to send a message on Sept 20 to these people – a two fingered one.

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  43. lurcher1948 (151 comments) says:

    Were national bimbos better in bed than labour bimbos back then?? did they both talk policy??? say dont tell dad or have headaches???? justs asking tell us DPF you were big back then and now the sluts ,opps keen young women would have thrown them selfs at you(judith collins must have been young once)

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  44. Johnboy (17,015 comments) says:

    National bimbo’s shaved their legs and armpits back then lurcher.

    Some of them even shaved their twots.

    Commie tarts were mostly hairy. Must have got my love for sheep from those days when I was a Labour man! :)

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  45. Reid (16,681 comments) says:

    lurcher how do you keep being so sanctimonious, so “intelligent,” so “righteous” and so all the other lefty attributes we conservatives observe and chuckle over, given that such a one as yourself would find it hard to retain such even given your ilk’s well established propensity to lie to everyone, including yourself?

    Maybe you have one of those hypno wheels on your mirror, since even if you don’t have a 3-digit IQ which appears the case, that would have to be one of the very few ways you could possibly retain your membership in lefty central without bursting asunder from the internal pressure arising from all that hypocrisy swirling around inside of you.

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  46. stigie (1,435 comments) says:

    The Liarbore party needs people like you Leecher !~

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  47. lolitasbrother (774 comments) says:

    Farrar do not let that filthy little bastard ferret get you down.
    You have more friends than you could possibly believe.
    It is always coldest before the dawn

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  48. goldnkiwi (1,612 comments) says:

    Terrible to feel that you have to defend yourself. I do not feel that you have to explain yourself to me or anyone else.

    I do not understand the constant need for gossip and associated destruction and feel no need to read the slander (for that is how I view it.).

    One would have to say that the tall poppy syndrome is alive and well as always in NZ

    I also question Steven Price and his association with stolen goods. What was his role? Checking the script for material worthy of a defamation suit?

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  49. Liberty (277 comments) says:

    Hager might be under the deluded impression that Labour with whatever flotsam it sucks into a coalition will win the election. Labours and it minions would then legalize any dirty dealing.
    After all Labour have a history for getting its self out of the shit. So why not pay pack comrades in arms.
    As this grubby little book is nothing more than small part of the grand plan of lust for power at any cost.

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  50. davidp (3,585 comments) says:

    toad>But I am surprised and disappointed you consider as friends or have anything to do with people who express this vile misogyny:

    Who tweeted a “joke” about murdering sex workers? Who tweeted a link to rape jokes, then when he was challenged tweeted that the jokes “proved” that rape jokes could be funny? Who tweeted that Laile Harre had made him apologise for the rape jokes, so isn’t he a naughty cheeky man? I don’t know. But I do know that Russel Norman flew up to Auckland and visited him at home in Coatesville, twice. I’m surprised that Norman had anything to do with a man who expressed such vile misogyny.

    Actually… I’m not surprised.

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  51. Johnboy (17,015 comments) says:

    I wonder if Hager could hack Cunners and find out who his anonymous donors were?

    Now that would be interesting! :)

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  52. david@tokyo (260 comments) says:

    Was just browsing through DPF’s backlog of Hager related posts. There’s some good laughs in there. I especially liked the one where Hager was bemoaning that the National government was planning not to spend loads of your money in the face of the worst recession New Zealanders would ever see.

    Fast forward to 2014, and it’s obvious as day light that he was completely wrong about that too.

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  53. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    Somewhat sad that it was a party, and I’m debating constitutional reform at 1 am at it. Also a very different impression to what Hager’s book implied.

    We know you party hard DPF.

    Thanks for posting this clarification, I was hanging on every word of Hager’s allegations up until now.

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  54. Nostradamus (2,427 comments) says:

    RRM:

    I noticed you collected the “I’ve been banned from The Standard” badge the other day.

    RRM
    19 August 2014 at 12:46 pm

    Hi, anonymous The Standard Commentator.

    Amid all this talk of “dirty politics”… would you care to disclose which Labour Party member / Civil Servant you are?

    LOL – just kidding – I know you won’t.

    Please, tell us more about “dirty politics”.

    [Stephanie: moderator late to the party, but per the Gosman ruling, take two weeks off.]

    And the next comment from “David” accused you of being a “far right wing conspiracy theorist”.

    Hilarious!

    On the subject of this thread, has Nicky Hager acknowledged (or said anything that amounts to an implied concession) that he may have got some of his facts wrong?

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  55. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    Nostradamus:

    Off topic –
    No I hadn’t noticed, but then, I comment there about twice a year, although I wouldn’t say I contribute to their site :-) Hit and run. I’ll wear that badge well.

    (It’s especially funny when you read what “the gosman ruling” is, and it’s an automatic ban for the hypocrisy of anonymously criticising someone’s anonymous attacks. The circularity of that – especially in this context – is a beautiful thing. :-D )

    I figure that if Kiwiblog thinks I’m a leftist, and the Standard commentariat thinks I’m a right wing conspiracy theorist, I must be somewhere reasonably close to the real world.

    On topic –
    No idea, Hager seems to be a hit and run kind of guy too. I wonder how long he can live off the sales of a book?
    You’d want to be making good money out of being such a polarising individual, knowing your name is going to be a byword for mud among at least half the country every time?

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  56. Rich Prick (1,750 comments) says:

    “If Hager had interviewed anybody, word would have got around and he would have been injuncted to prevent publication.”

    Have you considered the purpose of injunctive relief? It is intended to prevent precisely the harm caused here. But your average lefty would agree denying the principles of natural justice is fine when suits their end.

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  57. Nostalgia-NZ (5,318 comments) says:

    Hager said that DPF organised the party, but I can’t see where the other allegations refer to DPF. This sort of stuff is padding. DPF couldn’t sue, even if he was of that mind – because Hager would simply withdraw that claim as ‘organiser. As for the DPF plying women with booze Hager doesn’t say that – although it’s probably the meaning he intended to be taken. I guess it’s meant to inflame the party war – actually don’t get the point of that. I wonder if it was that the publisher had a preferred minimum length for the book or it’s intention is to be provocative in order to sell the book or awaken some voters from their slumber. If any of that is the case Hager may have attempted too much, after all he has some mud sticking now and the type of stuff mentioned above is gossip.

    He has JK hopping from foot to foot at the moment and unaware of that may come next. When I say ‘he’ I mean Hager, but there is at least a collaboration here, almost seems like trade offs over what ‘had to be published.’ Part of the release of the material to Hager perhaps. I go for a more complicated intrigue than what it appears at the moment. Doubt there’ll be another election like this, if only for the reason that the pollies clean up their act in the future that will be a welcome positive. Who knows some of the ignition for this maybe from within National. Right now there may be someone peering in a mirror asking ‘who is the most treacherous of us all.’ Time for an audit, all of this is harmful to NZ. One thing seems apparent if the pollies didn’t release the dirt, even to ‘trusted’ wildcards, this wouldn’t be happening.

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  58. Craig Ranapia (1,266 comments) says:

    If Hager had interviewed anybody, word would have got around and he would have been injuncted to prevent publication.

    Gee, Toad, perhaps if I wrote a book implying (not to put too fine a point on it) you organized a party to facilitate sexual assault and laughed about it in an e-mail conversation you might be consulting with the venerable firm of Sue, Grabbit and Runne too. I bloody would.

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  59. thePeoplesFlag (281 comments) says:

    “…Yet Hager published this as fact. It is reasonably defamatory as various people have smeared me over it…”

    If you spend your life hanging out with the low life, then observers can reasonably infer that you are also a low life.

    I guess the lesson for DPF here is he has to decide if he wants to be a permanent man-child who thinks his behaviour won’t have consequences because he knows he is a decent guy, in which case this is just a taste of things to come, or someone who grows up and accepts that he holds a position of responsibility within the public life of our democratic civil society, and that within that context the way he personally conducts himself matters to a wider audience. That, surely, is also the wider message of Hager’s book.

    The ball is in DPF’s court.

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  60. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    I guess the lesson for DPF here is he has to decide if he wants to be a permanent man-child who thinks his behaviour won’t have consequences because he knows he is a decent guy, or someone who grows up and accepts that he holds a position of responsibility within the public life of our democratic civil society, and that within that context the way he personally conducts himself matters.

    ..said some anonymous troll on the internet.

    thePeoplesFlag – can you name any other political blogger who conducts him/herself as professionally, honestly, respectfully and transparently as Farrar? Just one would do.

    (Personally I’d say Nandor Tanczos, but the last time I read his site he hadn’t updated it for years, pity.)

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  61. thePeoplesFlag (281 comments) says:

    “… can you name any other political blogger who conducts him/herself as professionally, honestly, respectfully and transparently as Farrar? Just one would do…”

    People I know who have met DPF assure me he is quite the avuncular fellow. Personally, I have my doubts based on who he associates with. The point I am making is a man is judged by the company he keeps. A few hundred people who know him might think he is the bees knees; but most don’t, and when you appeal to the audience, they only judge you on what they can see. And what they see is someone who is quite happy to apologise for Slater, to consort with Jordan Williams and Simon Lusk, and to make apologies for Judith Collins.

    What should the audience infer from that?

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  62. Craig Ranapia (1,266 comments) says:

    That, surely, is also the wider message of Hager’s book.

    If Mr Hager’s “wider message” includes insinuating DPF arranged a party to facilitate sexual assault and joked about it afterwards and it doesn’t really matter if it’s true or not, I’d suggest he deliver a stern lecture on “dirty politics poisoning our politics” while standing in front of a full length mirror. But weirdly enough, I seem to have a higher opinion of Mr Hager’s moral compass than you do, and like DPF I hope he’d have the sheer common decency to retract and apologize for the charge if he can’t prove it, and give a public undertaking to (at the very least) have the passage removed from any future editions of the book. As my late Nana used to say — and she had to cause to say it to me with monotonous regularity: We all make mistakes, it’s what we do about it that’s the real test of character.

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  63. Yoza (1,926 comments) says:

    Here we go: David Farrar watches while Nicky Hager writes retraction.

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  64. Jack5 (5,274 comments) says:

    The People’s Flag (11.14 post) is clearly as demented as his fanciful pseudonym suggests.

    What pretentious drivel to associate Hager the Horrible with ” democratic civil society”.

    Hager the Horrible is a dealer in stolen material, an intellectual fence, and when he builds on the stolen hackery he is ignorant of the distinction between fact and faction, opinion and report. Hager the Horrible hasn’t got the nous or the balls to cross-check the stolen material before he tarts it up, spices fiction with the odd fact to give it credence, then goes on the far-left political trail.

    Hager is NZ’s own little vicious artist of agitprop.

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  65. lolitasbrother (774 comments) says:

    Farrar, .. the coldest hour is before the dawn,
    my wife is looking over my shoulder now, she says to me you write you write to pretty Thai girl?
    I say no I write to Farrar,
    she said to me you give him our strength, if he is your your friend he must be good man
    my way of joking is to tell the truth Farrar,
    you just wait that sun will shine on you

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  66. lolitasbrother (774 comments) says:

    Farrar, do you remember that day you walked in Edward Hillary footsteps.
    Such courage Farrar

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  67. jude (6 comments) says:

    From what I am reading on here and Whale oil, there is a lot of very annoyed Kiwis out there!! The MSM have been trying to create the news all year, with for example; Orivada ,but this hacking ,I think is worse.
    The MSM went nuts when private emails of a reporter Andrea Vance were read. Not released or reported.
    Yet when a private email account is hacked, the emails selectively taken and printed in a book, then published,hypocrisy is unbelievable.!!
    Hager should be sued and the proceeds of the book should be given to those whose personal email accounts were hacked.
    The left went on and on about National tightening up the GCSB bill. It was a shoddy piece of legislation rushed through by Labour.
    Even Helen Clark admitted the legislation needed to be tightened.yet those that complained about that are happy so long as the person hacking isn’t in Government or agency.
    I just do not understand the left wing at all.

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  68. IGM (614 comments) says:

    I have just opened the Herald for the last time, only to be hit with a photo of that gutless, gormless, weasel looking Hager. I have heard that the effeminate little scumbag Campbell has been spotted leaving the obderpoliticofuhrer’s bunker in his Mazda . . . time Mazda did their shareholders a favour and made the filthy little criminal lackey walk.

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  69. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ IGM (50 comments) says:
    August 23rd, 2014 at 6:55 am

    Is your post meant to be an example of how the right are never nasty?

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  70. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ jude (5 comments) says:
    August 23rd, 2014 at 5:01 am

    So you are saying its not the people that took part in the corruption that are to blame, but rather the people that used corrupt methods to reveal that corruption who are at fault?

    Seems to me a whole heap of people doing wrong, does not make the initial acts, right.

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  71. Longknives (4,952 comments) says:

    Heterosexuality- So ‘out of fashion’ amongst the left…
    Throw a couple of swiss balls in and Hagar and co would be well up for it!

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  72. OneTrack (3,348 comments) says:

    jude – “Even Helen Clark admitted the legislation needed to be tightened.yet those that complained about that are happy so long as the person hacking isn’t in Government or agency. I just do not understand the left wing at all.”

    It is the other way around. The left are happy with hacking (or anything else) if the person being hacked is an “enemy of the people”. WhaleOil reveals the left-wings hypocrisy (almost on a daily basis), hence has earned that title. So, as far as the left are concerned, WhaleOil is fair game. Their ideology almost demands it of them. And if they can try and get a hit on John Key at the same time, that’s a plus.

    So when WhaleOil finds that the Labour Party web server doesn’t have the most basic of security set, he taunts them about it. But he doesn’t release any of the information. Probably what a good news media organisation would do.

    When the left MSM get personal emails explicitly stolen by an “unknown”(sic) source, the MSM are only too eager to publish them and expand on inferences from that data which really only exists in a leftards fevered mind. Connecting dots to dots, to more dots. In other words, making stuff up. Probably not what a good news media would do.

    And then the Herald has the gall to wonder why their distribution is dropping.

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  73. jude (6 comments) says:

    @ one track .
    I agree with you. In fact, I do not think it will be just the Herald that is suffering a drop in readership numbers. I suspect that MSM are being replaced by news blogs, that interact with the readers. Kiwiblog and Whaleoil. The Standard does not encourage debate so I think they are more a chat forum, than a serious blog.
    You then get more people with knowledge about a topic ,contributing and you gain mass education/ information sharing.
    The MSM here have not evolved. Trying to create news out of information freely available on the web, that is 3 years old is boring.
    The fact that Goff is willing to put his past behaviour under the microscope beggars belief.
    The socialist mantra of old, “say it enough and they will believe it,” just does not work in a digital age.

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  74. Unity (633 comments) says:

    What a disgusting little man and his dirty little book which is full of lies, half truths and innuendoes. I wouldn’t worry about it DTF because many like me won’t ever read the book and not only don’t believe half of it but don’t really want to know either. We all know politics can be a dirty business but Hager’s book takes the cake on dirt. It is dirtier than the politrics. What gets my goat more than anything is that the little creep is making heaps of money from it.

    I actually turn off now every time Hager’s book is mentioned on TV but unfortunately they are probably going to spin it out to fill all the time between now and the election. Let’s just do other things while the inept media are doing their bit on TV with this dirty little book – even turn it off or the sound off and come back when they are on to other more newsworthy things.

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  75. ShawnLH (6,607 comments) says:

    @ the peoplesflag

    “If you spend your life hanging out with the low life, then observers can reasonably infer that you are also a low life.”

    Well, being a Lefty you should know.

    “I guess the lesson for DPF here is he has to decide”

    Is whether or not he should sue Nicky Hager’s as. And yes, he should!

    “if he wants to be a permanent man-child who thinks his behaviour won’t have consequences”

    Your posts are a good example of the behaviour of a man-child.

    “That, surely, is also the wider message of Hager’s book.”

    No, Hager’s message is a lesson in how to make shit up.

    “The ball is in DPF’s court.”

    The ball is in Hager’s court, and he should apologize to David and admit that his screed is unreliable.

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  76. DJP6-25 (1,389 comments) says:

    flash2846 5:24 pm. I’d give a donation for that purpose.

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  77. itstricky (2,021 comments) says:

    The left are happy with hacking (or anything else) if the person being hacked is an “enemy of the

    Whilst Slater applies exactly the same spite and immoral behaviour to anyone he randomly decides is an enemy. Your point is what? That you can ignore the original sin because someone else committed a further sin after that? Logic fail.

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  78. itstricky (2,021 comments) says:

    I guess the lesson for DPF here is he has to decide if he wants to be a permanent man-child who thinks his behaviour won’t have consequences because he knows he is a decent guy

    Funny how the personal responsibilty brigade have gone quiet. Anyway, goes back to the original comment I made. Is this an acknowledgement that the rest of the email is real and correct? There’s no denial of it, just an assertion that the interpretation is wrong. So does he think that the rest of the conversation isn’the illuminating in itself? Is it okay? Or do we denounce that as a fabrication as well? I guess one day bloggers will grow up.

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  79. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    I would love to see one of Hager’s targets sue Hager. Mark Mitchell – one of Lusk’s non performing MPS – claims he is going to. But not yet (haha).

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  80. Inthisdress (322 comments) says:

    Wouln’t it be an interesting exercise to publish a top twenty “Hagerisms” with what really happened. I reckon you could have a whole section called “Hagerisms”. . .

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  81. goldnkiwi (1,612 comments) says:

    As for that OIA in 37 minutes, ffs it was for the exact same material that had been requested and sent out a few days before. what would have been a reason for delay? If there had been a delay someone would have complained. It would seem damned if you do damned if you don’t.

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  82. violentrage (37 comments) says:

    RRM….yes, ‘dirty lies’ good idea. we could start with John Key’s lies about his Tranzrail shares in 2008. “Oh, yes, now that I can see you know how many shares I have I find myself suddenly able to remember”….we could go right through to the lies about “the Prime Minister” means “the Prime Minister’s office”…..haha what a joke.

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  83. Inthisdress (322 comments) says:

    If the point you are making is you hate liars, I agree. But if the point you are making is only some liars deserve to be callrd to account then I don’t agree.

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