More bombing in Iraq

August 18th, 2014 at 4:34 pm by David Farrar

The Guardian reports:

The US on Sunday launched two waves of air strikes against Islamic State (Isis) militants in northern Iraq, in the most extensive American military operations in the country since the withdrawal of ground troops in 2011.

The strikes helped Kurdish peshmerga fighters to regain control of the strategically important Mosul dam captured by militants two weeks ago.

“Mosul Dam was liberated completely,” Ali Awni, an official from ’s main Kurdish party, told AFP, a statement confirmed by two other Kurdish sources.

Well intentioned and probably helping, but what happens when the bombing stops? Will ISIS be weak enough to be take out?

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51 Responses to “More bombing in Iraq”

  1. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    If they feel seriously threatened they can always backtrack to Syria. You’re not going to stop then until you stop the forces that created them.

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  2. stephieboy (3,057 comments) says:

    DPF, it must be helping with the under equipped Kurds retaking that vital and strategic damn. Ok I agree lets put the boots there but for how long.?

    There’s got to be a point though where the Baghdad needs to take charge otherwise it becomes like Vietnam a forever war.

    But I must add that great to see the Drones and Fighters s taking out ISIS military vehicles , depots etc.

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  3. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    Only the US are engaged in limited attacks at the moment.

    Th British are planning to “track” the terrorists ,while the Germans are prepared to give “non lethal” military supplies,like helmets to the Kurds.

    What a shower of useless pricks.

    They could all get in there for a whole lot of bombing and straffing practise against the terrorist positions, vehicle convoys etc and then when the fuckers are on the run back to Syia contiune to wipe them out, from the air. deplete them so much ,they’ll never return to Iraq.

    The west helped create this ISIS monster by trying to over throw Assad. Now they need to kill it. Also it will mean far less dangerous Muslims terrorists returing “home”.There are thousands of “French,German,Brit Oz” etc there.

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  4. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    In the end, the moderate Arab states are going to be forced to unite and form a coalition, like the West did to roll back Nazism and hold back Communism (NATO). The West may participate in this from time to time, but at the moment, it is a united Arabs issue, with Israel and Turkey.

    America could assist like this, but come on Arab League, where are you? Sharpen those curvy scimitars.

    If moderate Islam/Arabia does not do this, then they cede dominance to the West, and we’ll sort it out with a protracted WWIII over a few decades, with direct confrontation, as well as allowing (or fomenting?) internal collapse in places like Libya, Syria and Iraq while bolstering places like Kurdistan and Saudi Arabia who are prepared to trade and work with the West.

    This is the only option to keep this barbarism out of Europe, as done in Romania under Vlad Dracul and the Moors in Spain.

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  5. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    say what you want about Obama.. but the mighty warlord loves bombing the shit out of brown people

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  6. stephieboy (3,057 comments) says:

    kowtow the west did not create the civil wart in Syria. Thats a lie.It was ignited by Assad attempting to crush protests against his rule in February 2012 and continuing over the subsequent months with more shootings and deaths of protestors escalating into a full scale civil war ,

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/02/18/195436.html

    dime , but its not so bad if the might warlord is white like GWB. ???

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  7. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    This is a lot more complex than some think.

    There is no way the Turks will allow the west to massively arm the Kurds.I believe that’s partly why this is such a half arse attempt by Obummer and others in the west.

    The other Arab states? Qatar and Saudi also want Assad toppled, also probably hate a shia and Iranian dominated Iraq.

    Those 2 are no friends of the west.They,like everyone else look out for themselves.

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  8. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    This can’t be right – baiter said Obama wants America to bow before Islam.

    Not bomb Islam.

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  9. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    steph

    No the west didn’t start it,but once it got going they sought to arm the rebels and to bomb Assad. Arms that were seized in many cases by ISIS. Also by assisting the rebels they weakened Assad which only opened the door further to the nastier element.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-23892783

    Thank goodness the Commons stopped Camoron,which in turn stopped the Black Peace prize winner and the Frogs.

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  10. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    I thought all wars were going to end when ‘The Messiah’ was elected?
    Isn’t that what he got his Nobel Prize for??

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  11. Fentex (974 comments) says:

    what happens when the bombing stops? Will ISIS be weak enough to be take out?

    I imagine the U.S hopes Haydar al-Abadi will have a sufficiently clean slate with Sunnis that he can convince them to combine with Iraq’s overwhelmingly Shi’ite national forces to expel the ISIS.

    If the Sunni’s who have been sidelined and abused by Nouri al-Maliki, and thus have no investment in Iraq and no wish to fight in it’s interest can accept al-Abadi will not be as sectarian and divisive as al-Maliki then ISIS will find the ground vanishes from beneath their feet.

    I would think a worry would be that Iran may feel aggrieved that their client has been bundled out of power and may wish to stick an oar in, but I suspect lunatics like ISIS worry them as much as anyone else and they will recognize the wisdom of not compromising re-approachment with Iraq’s Sunnis.

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  12. Liam Hehir (125 comments) says:

    I fear we are seeing the end of the Sykes-Picot states and worry that it will be a bloody realignment.

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  13. coge (190 comments) says:

    The Iraqis need to retake Mosul from ISIS. To regain some legitimacy.

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  14. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    Sounds like a job for Ivan Sirko and the Zaporozhian Cossacks.

    .

    Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!

    Thou art a turkish imp, the damned devil’s brother and friend, and a secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight art thou that cannot slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou a son of a bitch wilt not ever make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, go fuck thy mother.
    Thou art the Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, Armenian pig, Podolian villain, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, a fool before our God, a grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig’s snout, mare’s arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw thine own mother!
    So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. Thou wilt not even be herding Christian pigs. Now we shall conclude, for we don’t know the date and don’t have a calendar; the moon’s in the sky, the year in the book, the day’s the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

    http://www.cossacks-lienz.net/Sultan.html

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  15. stephieboy (3,057 comments) says:

    kowtow , arming the Syrian opposition became very problematic for the US as it consisted of a loose group of different and often opposing factions including Al Qaeda and Sunni Jihadist and militants. For that reason the US has refuised to arm the Syrian Opposition Non Jihadist ) with air to surface missiles leas they fall into the hands of the militants . it also explains why is has given Assad ,militarily, the upper hand.

    The Kurdish issue is indeed complex and not only because of Turkey but also because of Baghdad. The Bush and Obama administrations favour a” One Iraq” with only limited autonomy for the Kurds due to the Malilk’s government’s concerns and suspicions about Kurdish national aspirations ,
    Very difficult and sad situation for the Kurds caught up between the deep and the blue as always. But good on them for retaking the vital Mosul dam ,

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-confirms-airstrikes-near-arbil-mosul-dam-222300685.html

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  16. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    This war is 1400 years old. It ain’t ending any time soon.

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  17. mara (784 comments) says:

    Allied forces MUST go back and destroy IS. This time do it properly. I’d turn the Country to glass myself and start again but I know this is not a fashionable thought. IS needs to be crushed. So, America is tired of war? Well, energise yourselves or die.

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  18. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    why are the anti-israel people so quiet?

    the US vs ragheads isnt a fair fight at all. surely there will be protests in the streets?

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  19. Scott (1,800 comments) says:

    I am pleased the west is helping in some way. The Christians and other religious minorities are being crucified, beheaded and shot while any surviving women and children are being sold into slavery. Australia is helping with humanitarian relief and I would hope that our government can be persuaded to help out as well.
    Also please to see the Kurds gain a victory recently. It’s amazing what they can do against ISIS with a little help from the West.

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  20. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    “This war is 1400 years old. It ain’t ending any time soon.”

    Nope and thanks to human rights and mass immigration it has come to the heart of the west.

    That Cicero quote doing the rounds is so apt.

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

    Our politicians and the left being the treasonous.

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  21. polemic (460 comments) says:

    I say Thank God for the US and Australia.

    As always defending Freedom!!!!

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  22. stephieboy (3,057 comments) says:

    dime, why the anti israel people so quiet .?

    Good pont but of course if you go to Trade me opinion and politics and nutty conspiracy theory sites like WND the Jews / Israelis created ISIS.
    Thus the mindless litany -lets blame the Jews.!

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  23. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    @kowtow – “This war is 1400 years old. It ain’t ending any time soon.”

    “Nope and thanks to human rights and mass immigration it has come to the heart of the west.”

    Yes, it has.

    The left have got a perfect partner-in-crime in Islam.
    Both the left and Islam seek to destroy the existing West.

    What the left foolishly fail to realise (in all of their *blind* multi-culti-worship) is that *they* will be some of the first ones to feel the beheading swords. They are infidels after all and the Koran instructs Muslims 11 times (IIRC) not to make friends with infidels.

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  24. SGA (1,027 comments) says:

    RRM at 5:09 pm

    This can’t be right – baiter said Obama wants America to bow before Islam.
    Not bomb Islam.

    Don’t worry, I’m sure it’s all part of some long-game strategy by the muslim brotherhood.

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  25. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Excellent news. Let’s hope these are not going to be limited to “unbelievably small” strikes.

    Go Obama.

    P.S. Stephieboy – see that? It’s called being bipartisan or non-partisan. You might try and remember that.

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  26. flash2846 (284 comments) says:

    Why are Arab men so bloody lazy until it comes to rape, murder and terrorism? Pull out, drop in some Ebola and clean up next year. We can all walk until then.

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  27. stephieboy (3,057 comments) says:

    tom hunter and it applies equally to you as well.!

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  28. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    @Stephieboy: I’m not the one providing “nuanced” articles from the Huffington Post about Perry over on the GD thread.

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  29. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    The limits of US power in the ME:
    http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5991047/how-america-lost-the-middle-east

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  30. stephieboy (3,057 comments) says:

    tom hunter,

    Fox News the US’s answer to Russia Today so they say.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2011/06/pravda_will_set_you_free.html

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  31. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    The other Arab states? Qatar and Saudi also want Assad toppled, also probably hate a shia and Iranian dominated Iraq.

    Oddly enough Israel has a new diplomatic mission in the Persian Gulf and Saudi Arabia may well be financing a good deal of Israel’s very expensive campaign against Iran.

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  32. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    This war is 1400 years old.

    Back then the conflict was between Muslims and Jews.
    Where do you see Jews involved in fighting ISIS/ISIL?

    The history of the conflict is described in the oldest religious texts. Scapegoating any particular religion won’t fix the problem.

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  33. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The left have got a perfect partner-in-crime in Islam.

    Neither the values of the left, nor those of Islam are inherently criminal.

    Both the left and Islam seek to destroy the existing West.

    The right=good, left=evil paradigm doesn’t fit the facts. Both good and evil are present in the traditions of the right.

    What the left foolishly fail to realise (in all of their *blind* multi-culti-worship) is that *they* will be some of the first ones to feel the beheading swords. They are infidels after all and the Koran instructs Muslims 11 times (IIRC) not to make friends with infidels.

    How do you get from not friendly to murderous?

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  34. Johnboy (16,551 comments) says:

    Just bombing the various Shits/Shites/Sunnis and arseholes enough to keep them slaughtering each other and to stop them from getting united agin the Jews is the plan! :)

    It’s a good one too! :)

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  35. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    cha (3,814 comments) says:

    “Oddly enough Israel has a new diplomatic mission in the Persian Gulf…..”

    Except for Qatar who is one of the biggest sponsors of both Hamas and ISIS.

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  36. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    Except for Qatar who is one of the biggest sponsors of both Hamas and ISIS.

    You didn’t read the article.

    Hadas-Handelsman, who served as head of the Israel mission in Qatar in 2002-2003 and then as director of the Foreign Ministry’s Middle East department, wrote that with the peace process in a bad way, Israel was unlikely to have open relations with Gulf States, certainly not a diplomatic mission of any kind. But, he added, “this situation is fluid and could change.”

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  37. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @Cha

    Thanks for pointing that out, read past that.

    Somewhat surprised about the level of political relations between Israel and Qatar.

    Then I found this article:
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/can-israel-and-qatar-learn-to-be-friends-again/

    While Qatar might have been relatively friendly in the past, the latest problems in Gaza might have strained the relations.
    Very recently Israeli leaders have criticized Qatar’s diplomatic and financial support of Hamas in the wake of Operation Protective Edge, accusing the Qataris of being major sponsors of terrorism (which they are).

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  38. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    In that part of the world nothing is ever quite what it appears to be.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20110321172311/http://arabnews.com/opinion/columns/article322715.ece?comments=all

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  39. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    What about the fucktards who have been marching down Queen Street to “Free Palestine” but wearing ISIS t shirts?

    What about the 18 years old in australia who stormed off a SBS interview when challenged by other Muslims about how he idolises ISIS and has his passport cancelled? He has just been arrested for a hate crime beating up a cleaner in a mall

    What about the marches through Sydney where half the “Free Palestine” supporters had ISIS t shirts or ISIS flags?

    Can we arm the Kurds and pay them to travel around the world assaninating anyone who supports ISIS please

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  40. Johnboy (16,551 comments) says:

    We just arm and support the Jews SR. They’ll assassinate Arabs of any denomination anywhere in the world.

    If they need passports they could just come and ask in future! :)

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  41. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    Can we arm the Kurds and pay them to travel around the world assaninating anyone who supports ISIS please

    But isn’t Sunni Islam the existential threat.
    /

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds#Islam

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  42. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    Saw a very scary protest video from australia today.

    Australia is going to face some real issues with their radical Muslim community.

    Was good though at the end to see the batons and dogs come out

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  43. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    And British supermarkets taking kosher food off shelves because they concerns they would be targeted by the left and Muslims who have been going around Britain ripping Israeli products off shelves

    Grow some balls Britain. Hire security guards and just shoot the fuckers on sight.

    The west is letting these immigrants away with anything

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  44. EAD (1,082 comments) says:

    The best advice I can give anyone who wants to truly understand this rise of ISIS is ask yourself the following 3 questions:

    Who is funding Isis?
    Who created the conditions in Iraq for ISIS to arise?
    Who has trained ISIS and providing the training, expert PR and recruitment advice, advanced weaponry, sophisticated communications?

    Remember the following maxim – “out of chaos, comes order”. If you don’t understand the concept of “order out of chaos,” then you’ll never understand a thing.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/order-out-chaos-doctrine-runs-world

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  45. EAD (1,082 comments) says:

    In popular culture, Guns & Roses knew exactly how wars work, who benefits and how the propaganda works

    “CREATE A VACUUM
    THEN WE FILL THAT VACUUM
    AS POPULAR WAR ADVANCES
    PEACE IS CLOSER”

    Some other notable verses from Civil War:

    “My hands are tied
    The billions shift from side to side”

    “I don’t need your civil war
    It feeds the rich while it buries the poor”

    “And in my first memories
    They shot Kennedy
    An’ I went numb when I learned to see
    So I never fell for Vietnam”

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  46. cha (4,014 comments) says:

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  47. stephieboy (3,057 comments) says:

    EAD, from your link still clueless as to who actually funds ISIS.?

    Shall we begin with maybe the Rothchilds ( read Jews ) for starters.?

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  48. EAD (1,082 comments) says:

    http://paulreverenews.com/u-s-funding-both-sides-in-iraq-war-including-the-isis-militants/

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  49. redqueen (562 comments) says:

    Be interesting to see what the Kurds do, once they’ve beaten back ISIS. I am not sure if ‘Iraq’ is going to work.

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  50. Padriv Ustoev (68 comments) says:

    WHy does nobody talk abou the stability that ISIS brings to the regions under their control? Inside the Califate there is no sectarian violence or bombings. If only it was like that throughout the rest of the region. Insha’Allah!

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  51. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    This war is 1400 years old.

    Back then the conflict was between Muslims and Jews.

    The Jews’ last stand was at Masada in 70AD. The Muslims started off by invading the Roman Byzantine territories of Palestine, Syria and Egypt, where the population was mostly Christian. They really haven’t let up much since, apart from a few short periods here and there.

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