OUSA President praises @peace for Kill the PM song

September 2nd, 2014 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

President wrote in this week’s Critic:

We’ve launched an interview this week with HomeBrew and @peace artist . I had the pleasure of interviewing him and watching him be a part of the Enrolment Party that we hosted a few weeks ago (thank you Generation Zero and their enrolment support, and thanks to RockEnrol for stealing the spotlight on TV3). ’s a talented and creative musician who is passionate about getting you out there to vote in these elections. Wake up to your rights as citizens 

in New Zealand. His mantra is fantastic, and he’s super cheeky about it. Recently he wrote a song entitled “Kill the PM.” Yes this is naughty, but I think the amount of media coverage and the huge slur around this is unnecessary, what about our rights as citizens to speak our own opinions. 

All the young women at Otago University might want to reflect on the fact their student president thinks a song expressing a desire to kill the Prime Minister and implicitly rape his daughter is just a bit naughty, and that criticism of the song is a slur, and that there is a right to express an opinion that you want to implicitly rape someone to piss off their father.

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98 Responses to “OUSA President praises @peace for Kill the PM song”

  1. Lance (2,719 comments) says:

    The ‘shit for brains’ is strong in this one.

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  2. lolitasbrother (751 comments) says:

    Unbelievable and sad, these wretched people. So this is free speech. It is morally criminal.

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  3. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    I used to think Phyllis Commerford OUSA president 1983, was left wing but even she would draw the line at the rubbish sported by Ms Sycamore Smith.

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  4. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    [Deleted by DPF. I know you were not meaning it literally, and trying to make the point that the song should not have been trivialised, but that was not the way to do it]

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  5. Matthew Flannagan (77 comments) says:

    Nothing new, if you remember a few years ago Critic published an article written by a person pretending to be a rapist who glorified in raping women. The result was the green party hired the editor and she became an MP.

    [DPF: The article was controversial but I don’t think it glorified drug rape. It was trying to highlight how such people who do that, think]

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  6. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,924 comments) says:

    Well what do you expect from a dingbat with a name like “Sycamore-Smith”?

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  7. Jack5 (5,167 comments) says:

    The Herman Youth Movement has taken over student politics.

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  8. mandk (1,020 comments) says:

    One wonders what Ruby would feel about someone encouraging the murder of her daddy and forced sex with her.

    Silly, spoilt, middle-class brat.

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  9. oldpark (383 comments) says:

    So if all is fair in the potential encouraged gang rape of John Key’s DAUGHTER,condoned by Ruby SYCO Smith,seems she is in the same persuasion, as the sisters from the green/labour party’s covens.Who will come to her aid,if she gets violated by the same type of gang rape, in the RANT against our Prime Minister.Otago uni isn’t that where the rag bag Bryce Edwards waves his lefty media propaganda from.That place seems to be a hotbed of green/labour party deadbeats.IF we take notice of SYCO/SMITH,and the ratbag called Edwards.

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  10. Slipster (183 comments) says:

    What did you expect of a union commie boss?
    The usual trash. Any bets just what she might be studying there?

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  11. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    I came up with a new rhyme, dawwg. Where’s ma funding? Government dun give me nothin’, bro.

    Anyways…layin’ it on yah…..

    Fuck DC
    Fuck KDC
    Fuck OUSA
    Fuck Fuck Fuck
    Shit Don’t Rhyme
    ‘Aint got Time
    To read Karl Marx
    (Shout Out David Lange)
    Or go to the park
    Peace out
    (peace out, yeah yeah, peace out)

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  12. notrotsky (85 comments) says:

    http://www.critic.co.nz/news/article/3572/interview-ruby-sycamore-smith-ousa-president-2014

    Airhead.

    https://twitter.com/rsycamoresmith

    Utter airhead !

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  13. mandk (1,020 comments) says:

    @ Slipster

    Communications, of course.

    What else does an empty-headed girl study?

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  14. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    This is shamelessly lifted from the young lady’s link’d in profile.

    “I have already begun to work with ‘It’s Not Ok’ to create a campaign about Relationship Abuse, ensuring that students in Dunedin are aware of what key aspects are needed to create healthy relationships, not only with partners, but also their peers.”

    What she writes about that oik Tom scott directly contradicts the campaign she was promoting.

    Whats that word starting with H?

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  15. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Ah ,”our rights as citizens to speak our own opinions.”

    Oh great. The OUSA has a “queer liason” or some such officer. Dirty ,filthy , homosexual,perverted, sick, bastard ,should be dropped off in ISIS territory to see what real human rights are all about. See how he/she /it might “Liase” with that bunch of Muslim motherfuckers!

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  16. James Stephenson (2,233 comments) says:

    Whats that word starting with H?

    Halfwit?

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  17. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  18. MT_Tinman (3,261 comments) says:

    I gather “our rights as citizens to speak our own opinions” don’t include those people who consider the noise (song it ain’t!) a disgrace and a good reason to ensure the perpetrators never get taxpayer funding again.

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  19. Kimbo (1,090 comments) says:

    @ mandk

    Communications, of course.

    What else does an empty-headed girl study?

    Not so! Jacinda Ardern has a degree in Communications from Waikato University and she is not an empt…

    Damn!

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  20. Don the Kiwi (1,794 comments) says:

    And the likes of this trash are our future intellectuals, politicians and teachers.

    God help us !!!

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  21. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    Black, the song does not state rape in the same way The Greens don’t state Marxism.

    You have to ask:

    a) why the somewhat sinister, sleazy tone change in his voice when referring to Ms Key?
    b) why bring up Ms Key in that context in the first place?

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  22. Kimbo (1,090 comments) says:

    @ Peter

    a) why the somewhat sinister, sleazy tone change in his voice when referring to Ms Key?
    b) why bring up Ms Key in that context in the first place?

    Oh, Pete, you ghastly philistine!

    It is the dramatic licence allowed to a Bohemian artiste

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  23. Rich Prick (1,729 comments) says:

    I’m ashamed to be Otago alumni, may I suggest the OUSA think about us before spouting such nonsense. Thanks.

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  24. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    This is how you do a song about the ladddieees, Kimbo.

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  25. Gulag1917 (1,026 comments) says:

    PM John Key is certainly drawing out the fascist scum.

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  26. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    RP.
    I am an Otago Alumni as well.
    I can’ say that I am proud to be one at the moment.

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  27. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    So in what way does the song state rape Peter?

    It’s quite telling no one has actually quoted the line.

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  28. KiwiGreg (3,260 comments) says:

    My main objection to a song I have never heard is that the band was given $30,000 of taxpayer’s money (I know not explicitly to write that song). Someone had to work hard for that money and this National government pisses it away on crap like this.

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  29. Kimbo (1,090 comments) says:

    @ KiwiGreg

    My main objection to a song I have never heard is that the band was given $30,000 of taxpayer’s money

    Good point. That sure puts the boot into Ruby Sycamore Smith’s implicit argument this is about free speech. It was very costly speech – at your and my expense.

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  30. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    Black, it doesn’t state it. As you well know. To this listener, and others, it lands a rhyme in a closely related ballpark.

    I think that’s called “art”….

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  31. Gulag1917 (1,026 comments) says:

    Google “We’re ill-prepared if the iceman cometh” for the full article.

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  32. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    DPF states twice that the implication in the song is to implicitly rape John Key’s daughter.

    At the very least he could quote the offending line to back up his claim so we could see that he is in fact correct. Otherwise im inclined to think he’s just making shit up to whistle the dogs into a more right wing anti student union lather.

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  33. flash2846 (289 comments) says:

    Another Mole gunning for the easy ‘A’ in feminist studies. The twat will be studying…… Hmm.. let’s see…. Ah! political Studies, Maori Studies and Language, Feminist Studies of course plus just enough of the real subjects just to get through. What will this twat be when she graduates? Well a teacher of course.

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  34. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    Who’s heard the song and can quote the offending line about rape?

    please do so.

    I did so here: http://nominister.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/public-service-announcement_27.html

    I also included a handy guide to why rape culture is rape culture even when the rapey fuckwits are Green-voting musicians (here using the term ‘musician’ in its broadest, most inclusive sense, given the shite in question).

    [DPF: Thanks – I was going to link to that myself]

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  35. Rich Prick (1,729 comments) says:

    Alex, I would have thought the OUSA would respect not just current students, but respect the fondness we older folk have for Otago. 1986-1990, in those days the disaffected just rolled their own tampons, now they are just embarrassing.

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  36. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Sorry Milt, but thats a long bow you’ve drawn there.

    Sure, he says he wants to fuck her, but i infer from the offending line that it would be in more of a consensual nature, irrespective of motive.

    I’m inclined to think any sex involved would be as part of a seduction, ala honey trap, on Tom’s part towrds Steffi.

    But yeah anyway, artists/groupies and their starfucking/exploiting ways…go figure.

    There is nothing in that line that states rape, directly or implicitly…IMHO

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  37. mandk (1,020 comments) says:

    BWAV,
    The line has been extensively quoted on this site; and on Stuff, NZH amongst others.
    But please don’t go pretending that the line, by itself, does not incite sexual violation.
    The context of the line and the whole tone of the lyrics make it clear what the “artist” wants to do.

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  38. Gravelroad (162 comments) says:

    So much for all the organisations (such as Women’s Refuge) and NGO’s working to put the brakes on family violence then.
    I see there is a big march on parliament coming up protesting about family violence.
    Wonder if there will be any students there burning effigies, trivialising rape, vandalising property and making other assorted threats.
    Probably will be as there appears to be no consequences for those who set the precedents and established the standards earlier in this election campaign.

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  39. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    There is nothing in that line that states rape, directly or implicitly…IMHO

    Sure. And the roastbusters never raped anybody either, in their humble opinion. That’s why it’s called rape culture.

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  40. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    flash2846

    I think some of these student c#nts use the committee positions on these useless student bodies as a springboard into politics.

    A Green councillor in Dunners having been OUSA.

    http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/your-council/councillors/cr-aaron-hawkins

    And another one who may or may not have run but had plans to.

    http://www.critic.co.nz/news/article/3529/interview-francisco-hernandez

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  41. David Farrar (1,902 comments) says:

    Have deleted four or five comments. The way to condemn someone praising a song that implies rape, is not to then go and imply it yourself – even if to make a point.

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  42. Zebulon (124 comments) says:

    She thinks that those she disagrees with can be raped and killed. Education was wasted on her

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  43. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    I’m still waiting for Green MP Jan Logie to denounce the underlying misogyny/rape culture and threats of violence implied in the song. But because Tom Scott has pledged his party vote to the Greens, I guess I’ll just have to keep waiting :D

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  44. Ed Snack (1,927 comments) says:

    BWAV, Sure, and I’d like to fuck over Sycamore -Smith good and hard, because she wants it. And kill her father and mother, and that’s OK isn’t it, because it isn’t murder or rape fantasy, it would be “consensual” because I say so. All just expressing my opinion like good Ms S-S says I have the right to do. Don’t I ?

    And because haters gunna hate, have a /hypocrisy tag

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  45. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Im just not getting the sexual violence implication, nor see how Tom wanting to fuck Steffi supports rape culture or has anything to do with roastbusters.

    Guess, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.

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  46. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    Sorry DPF, the temptation to go into the gutter on this one was just too strong to resist… :oops:

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  47. Ed Snack (1,927 comments) says:

    Self deleted a comment on seeing DPF’s comment above. But surely in Ms S-S’s opinion, we *could* express “unnatural” desires about her and her family and it would be OK, because, in our minds, everything would be consensual; and we have “rights as citizens to speak our own opinions”.

    It always astonishes (although it shouldn’t) me how people like Ms S-S can make a statement about opinions like that, and yet be at the forefront of suppressing opinions that she personally disagrees with.

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  48. Kimbo (1,090 comments) says:

    @ BWAV

    Im just not getting the sexual violence implication, nor see how Tom wanting to fuck Steffi supports rape culture or has anything to do with roastbusters.

    Fair enough. But then maybe the problem is not really cognitive, but primarily volitional.

    Perhaps reflecting on how it adds to a misogynist millieu may help remove the scales from your eyes…

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  49. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    Im just not getting the sexual violence implication, nor see how Tom wanting to fuck Steffi supports rape culture or has anything to do with roastbusters.

    He talks about having sex with her without any reference to her opinion on the matter. Not because he presumes she would consent, but because it doesn’t appear to be a factor worth commenting on. The singer is saying that the sex will happen, and it doesn’t matter what the girl thinks. You really don’t have to dig very deep to find the sexual violence being implied.

    All you are doing is assuming he is going to romance her first and that she would obviously consent. But that is something YOU are bringing to the table. It is certainly not something implied by the tone of the @piece of shit.

    Even his reason for having sex with her has nothing to do with her. He just wants to strike at the dad. He might as well have been talking about how he was going to key Key’s car or shit in his swimming pool.

    If the lyric was along the lines of even your daughter hates you so much that she is going to seek me out to fuck me to spite you then THAT would be different.

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  50. mandk (1,020 comments) says:

    @ Ed Snack,

    “It always astonishes (although it shouldn’t) me how people like Ms S-S can make a statement about opinions like that, and yet be at the forefront of suppressing opinions that she personally disagrees with.”

    Agreed. In my experience, people who flatter themselves that they are free-thinkers and fair-minded are generally brutally intolerant.

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  51. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    Im just not getting the sexual violence implication, nor see how Tom wanting to fuck Steffi supports rape culture or has anything to do with roastbusters.

    So, this angry class protest song is about Killing The PM.
    The reason the narrator wants to do this is because the singer “‘aint got nothing”.
    The narrator has a violent approach to solving his perceived problems, and this involves direct, violent retribution.
    The narrator blames someone else, namely the PM, for his perceived problems.
    Then, if Black is to believed, the entire theme switches, somewhat inexplicitly and incongruously, to a romantic theme involving a consensual sex situation with the PMs daughter.
    Then, this angry class protest song shifts back to Killing The PM.

    Apparently, not only are we to believe this song is about protest killing and romance, we’re also to believe the song is about “getting out and voting”.

    Tuis.

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  52. wreck1080 (3,972 comments) says:

    Is this one of those cases where people take offence too easily?

    Sure , these people are idiots and probably dickheads but noone truly believes that they are trying to incite people to kill and rape.

    As someone mentioned above, the greater insult is that these people received taxpayer funding.

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  53. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    Sure , these people are idiots and probably dickheads but noone truly believes that they are trying to incite people to kill and rape.

    I don’t think anyone is taking this fool seriously. There is a concern that some other idiot may take him literally, and that this aggressive song needlessly inflames already tense times.

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  54. waikatogirl (671 comments) says:

    Ok, as a woman my interpretation of the suggestion of having sex with Ms Key is that any unwanted sex offered by this shithead song writer would be rejected. I’m not speaking for her specifically but any self-respecting woman of her standing or just good sel-esteem would reject his offer.

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  55. KevinH (1,236 comments) says:

    A death threat as well as a threat of sexual violation is not a naughty piece of personal expression that is protected by freedom of expression. It’s violent and brutal language that has no place in the MSM. If homebrew comes to Auckland he will be greeted by protest from fair minded caring New Zealanders.

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  56. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    and that there is a right to express an opinion that you want to implicitly rape someone to piss off their father

    That’s a deliberate misinterpretation of the song. It’s a tired old trope about the poor guy annoying the rich guy by seducing his daughter. There are obvious questions about using someone sexually purely to get at someone else, but it’s not rape.

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  57. OneTrack (3,235 comments) says:

    ” It always astonishes (although it shouldn’t) me how people like Ms S-S can make a statement about opinions like that, and yet be at the forefront of suppressing opinions that she personally disagrees with.”

    She is a lefty. Hypocrisy is part of the induction course.

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  58. OneTrack (3,235 comments) says:

    ” Agreed. In my experience, people who flatter themselves that they are free-thinkers and fair-minded are generally brutally intolerant.”

    They are tolerant of things they agree with.

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  59. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Tom may be a drug addled fuckwit with an off beat sense of humour, but an implied rapist ?

    …nah don’t think so eh!

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  60. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Immature students in a group may see being provocative and offensive as clever and independent, but many will know there is such a thing as good manners and common decency and feel uncomfortable.

    I do not accept NZ is a rape culture, but leaving that aside, the lyrics are filthy and abhorrent. It would be bad enough if the sexual content was of a general nature, but to target a particular individual, and a bystander at that, is absolutely disgusting and nasty beyond belief. It is vomit in the gutter. I suspect this guttersnipe would disappear without trace in many parts of the world.

    However, I also suspect that it is the father not the daughter who is likely to be enraged that her private space has been invaded by this defective specimen and excuse for a man. Especially viewed from Paris.

    If the student president can’t see the distortion here then there’s not much hope for her. This is not politics, even dirty politics. It’s disease.

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  61. unaha-closp (1,180 comments) says:

    Tom may be a drug addled fuckwit with an off beat sense of humour, but an implied rapist ?

    …nah don’t think so eh!

    no one thinks Tom Scott is a rapist any more than Vanilla Ice was a gangster.

    They just like singing songs glorifying

    peace, peace baby

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  62. OneTrack (3,235 comments) says:

    bwav – “Tom may be a drug addled fuckwit with an off beat sense of humour, but an implied rapist ?

    …nah don’t think so eh!”

    And rich pricks deserve it and it’s ok when the left does it. Yeah, got that.

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  63. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Hip hop is a funny old game.

    Some ladies would feel honoured to be name checked in a song and wouldn’t think twice about shagging a rap singer no matter how ugly or sexist they are.

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  64. Dennis Horne (2,403 comments) says:

    Black with a chip. Yep. I heard my old grandfather say >60 years ago: Men are mad and women are whores.

    Pretty much sums up Homo sapiens in my observation. Wars, whores.

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  65. Sublime (295 comments) says:

    KeepingStock: I guess I’ll just have to keep waiting :D

    Everyone back home will agree on the H situation before that will ever happen mate.

    And well said!

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  66. Sublime (295 comments) says:

    For goodness sake. This really is turning into a damn joke.

    If the above [the vile song contents] doesn’t slot into the ‘rape culture’ category, wheeled out by so many, what on earth does?

    Without pulling apart the specifics of what’s said, it’s very clear that if such an outburst came from the wrong place, it certainly would be branded as ‘rape culture’ material. Much like what DPF pointed out in the Drinnan post the other day – it is not about the transgression, it’s all about the transgressor.

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  67. Sponge (237 comments) says:

    Some ladies would feel honoured to be name checked in a song and wouldn’t think twice about shagging a rap singer no matter how ugly or sexist they are.

    No *ladies* would be honoured by that at all. You really are a vile piece of work aren’t you?

    To be honest I actually don’t think that you even believe what you post…

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  68. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    No, sponge, i really am not.

    So just how familiar with hiphop culture are you?

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  69. Sponge (237 comments) says:

    BWAV, in trying to defend the indefensible despite the evidence presented to you you come across as nasty and deluded.

    Am I familiar with Hiphop? Not much. How familiar with new romantic music are you? That is just as relevant.

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  70. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    Obvious troll is obvious.

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  71. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    What exactly do you think is indefensible within the context of this thread, sponge?

    And funnily enough, i know enough about new romantic music to know that it isnt a culture in the same way hiphop is.

    The relevance is that within hiphop there is an acceptance of music that pushes the boundaries of good taste and that there are ladies within the culture who do also. Not saying it’s right, but within the context of hiphop music and the implication of rape in a song, this one doesnt even come close.

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  72. Duxton (657 comments) says:

    Guys, don’t be too hard on Black. Please remember that his section of society sees rape as quite normal – indeed, worthy of praise.

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  73. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    And what pray tell, duxton, is my section of society ?

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  74. OneTrack (3,235 comments) says:

    “And what pray tell, duxton, is my section of society ?”

    The lefty section of society. Obviously the lefties have a rape culture that they are prepared to accept when the target is “the enemy”. She “deserved it” anyway, right bwav?

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  75. Johnboy (17,007 comments) says:

    Zebra Trash BwaV! :)

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  76. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Wrong onetrack!

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  77. OneTrack (3,235 comments) says:

    So Ruby will be petitioning Aotearoa On Air to front up with another $30,000+ to @peace for another “Rape the rich girl” song?

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  78. ZenTiger (435 comments) says:

    “Sorry Milt, but thats a long bow you’ve drawn there.”

    Long bow, cross bow. Still very close to the mark.

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  79. Duxton (657 comments) says:

    Black: “And what pray tell, duxton, is my section of society ?”

    Sorry cuz, is youz talkin’ to me?

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  80. edhunter (552 comments) says:

    wow there’s 3.12 minutes I’ll never get back.
    OK BwaV for instance when Body Count said ” I love you but my daddy don’t play, he’s the fucking grand wizard of the KKK” & then proceeds to say “Then her daddy jumped on stage talked about killin in a god damn rage, I got mad my dick got hard rammed it in her ass, she said oh my god” that’s consensual…bad taste maybe but at least there’s no ambiguity.

    @ peace talk about gettin a sawn off and killing the prime minister, then proceed to say I’m going to fuck your daughter & plant a seed. At no point do they even try to imply the daughter is upset with daddy’s politics or that she loves Tom Scott all they’re doing is treating her as a slab of meat to be used & abused as an act of vengeance.

    That is an example of rape culture. Hope it helped.

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  81. Duxton (657 comments) says:

    Black: “Some ladies would feel honoured to be name checked in a song and wouldn’t think twice about shagging a rap singer no matter how ugly or sexist they are.”

    You are wrong. Some FEMALES might fell honoured to be name checked…..etc……..but a LADY wouldn’t.

    You and your ilk would have names for the FEMALES concerned……you know, ‘slag’, ‘skank’, ‘hoe’, ‘bitch’, etc.

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  82. Grizz (611 comments) says:

    Black, you are an example of what is wrong with hip hop culture. Rap and Hip Hop used to be good in the 80s. But it has become angry, violent, filled with hatred and misogyny.

    If the song basically is saying I want to have sex with you for all the wrong reasons. I hate your father, so by implication I hate you, and therefore just for the sake of utu I want to have sex with you. This is absolutely soulless.

    How about singing a song that portrays a message that you think Steffi is pretty and nice. You admire her artwork and you would like to be with her for all the right reasons. I will take Gamble and Huffs Philadelphia soul over modern hip hip any day.

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  83. Grizz (611 comments) says:

    “The relevance is that within hiphop there is an acceptance of music that pushes the boundaries of good taste and that there are ladies within the culture who do also. Not saying it’s right, but within the context of hiphop music and the implication of rape in a song, this one doesnt even come close.”

    So Black, do you think it is acceptable to use it to endorse a political party?
    If you were a political party that was concerned about a “rape culture”, wouldn’t this song just portray a confused message? If not confused, just the wrong message?
    If you ran a political party, would you not find it irritating to defend this song all the time in the face of ridicule? Particularly when you have policy you would rather discuss.

    Would you not agree that the negative of this song outweigh the benefits?

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  84. Bogusnews (477 comments) says:

    Simple solution to this one:

    the agency that indiscriminatingly passed out $30,000 to this atrocious band needs to be shut down – immediately. If they are happy to pass such large sums to disgraceful jerks like this then they have no business doing what they do.

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  85. Inthisdress (303 comments) says:

    The way this debate is rolling remind me of Winston Churchill’s quote:
    “Some change their party to suit their principles, and some change their principles to suit their party. “

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  86. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Let’s not chuck the baby out with the bath water.

    There is still a lot of good rap/hiphop music out there..

    I think it’s acceptable for an artist to use music or whatever other legal artform to espouse their personal politics.

    and for the record, im not angry, hate filled, violent, mysoginist nor do I use words like skank, hoe, slag.

    lastly, I don’t think I have an ilk to speak of.

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  87. tvb (4,518 comments) says:

    John should have said that this rap song has a silent “c”.

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  88. notrotsky (85 comments) says:

    @BWAV your hypocritical diatribe and trolling on this thread does you no service whatsoever.

    Unless pundits/activists and the public in general all speak against rape culture, violence and corruption with one voice without fear or favour which ever side of the political spectrum it comes from nothing will change and we’ll be having the same arguments in 5, 10 or even 50 years time.

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  89. Liberal Minded Kiwi (1,571 comments) says:

    When you go to blogs like The Hand Mirror, all staffed by Green and Labour people (one herself is a candidate for Labour) then they always label even the things some of us males may not see obviously, with rape trigger warnings.
    Even for something that BWAV seems to think is pretty trivial.

    Maybe it’s because you’re a male and you don’t see that implying that you’re going to put your dick into a woman, without her consent, is a bad thing… or that you’re so blindly so fucking stupid that you will argue the exact opposite opinion as DPF… either way… grow up.

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  90. Black with a Vengeance (1,866 comments) says:

    Guess you last couple of people did you not see a few of regular posters here the other night egging each other on about gangbanging another poster without her consent either. Funny how i was the only one calling them out on it and did it stop them ???No. Was their any recriminations for them ??? No. was it tolerated and seen as acceptable by tacit silence from others ??? Yes.

    So don’t fucking go on about hypocritical diatribe and speaking out, when in this community of interest it happens under your very noses and you do nothing and say nothing.

    Consent in the context of that song is as implicit as rape. You can read it either way. Knowing Tom somewhat, goes a long way towards understanding that he wouldn’t fuck Miss Key without her consent.

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  91. notrotsky (85 comments) says:

    @BWAV

    “Guess you last couple of people did you not see a few of regular posters here the other night egging each other on about gangbanging another poster without her consent either.”

    No that’s correct, if so it is completely unacceptable.

    “So don’t fucking go on about hypocritical diatribe and speaking out, when in this community of interest it happens under your very noses and you do nothing and say nothing.”

    Why not ? You are undoubtedly a hypocrite and a troll.

    “Consent in the context of that song is as implicit as rape. You can read it either way. ”

    “One of these days I’m gonna fuck your daughter
    This poor boy gonna make his seed
    All the way up in your girl
    Hello, Miss Key”

    What rubbish. PsychoMilt has done a very good post on the subject and not withstanding that the only person who can give any consent would be Ms Key herself.

    The lyrics are bad enough in a song… i’m sure the songwriter/singer in question would likely be face down in the gutter if he walked into a pub and said the same thing to a parents face.

    “Knowing Tom somewhat, goes a long way towards understanding that he wouldn’t fuck Miss Key without her consent.”

    Oh that’s OK then as long as he wouldn’t actually commit a rape he can say whatever he wants … ??

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  92. Jenkil (3 comments) says:

    Political actors come in all different shapes and forms, as do political messages. There are endless ways of expressing a message, with each style resulting in a different response.

    Here, the media has paid excessive attention to @peace and their song ‘Kill the PM’ for one reason and one reason only. That reason can be seen throughout the responses that have been posted to this blog. It’s popular. It’s a scandal. It’s something that has gotten people talking, debating, and tuning in to find out more. That doesn’t make it important for the reasons being discussed here.

    Everyone seems to be focusing on the assumption that Tom is implying to rape Key’s daughter, or even more trivial, on the intelligence of the student president who wrote the article in discussion. This has turned into a forum for dysfunctional discourse to take place, throwing insults at anyone holding a minority opinion. I for one share that minority opinion, and for the sake of democracy I plan to express it.

    The majority of you have dismissed that this song has in fact got the potential to get people out there voting. You refuse to read into further meaning to see what could be in fact positive about this issue, however you are all quick to jump to the assumption of what Tom’s lyrics mean, attributing your own meaning that may not actually be there. Your perceptual filters are in play, and you assume that others will perceive the message the same way. However, we all decode messages in unique ways based on a number of internal and external forces at play.

    I for one have decided to look at this issue from another angle. My angle is to actually analyse the potential that this song has to actually drive more young people to vote, whether this was the original intention for the creation of this song or not. Bare with me, as I am not claiming this approach is correct, nor that there are not any negative aspects involved in the nature of Tom’s song. I am simply adding a new perspective into what seems to be a one sided discussion.

    @peace’s fan base ranges to those in their 20’s and under, an age group that is at risk of losing their voice in parliament due to 42 percent of 18-24 year olds not giving their vote in the 2011 General Election.

    Because this age group makes up the majority of @peace’s fan base, Tom can put political issues to the front of their mind with the use of political music. By taking an outrageous approach to expressing his political opinion, tom and his song have received the attention needed to be put on the radar right before elections. This would not have happened if tom had not pushed the boundaries to the point of receiving large sums of media coverage so close to Election Day.

    If anything, this song probes young people to think about their own agendas, whether in agreement with tom about wanting a new PM, or against him in standing by john key as our current PM. The excess coverage on this issue has created discussion and debate amongst young individuals who are slowly learning about a range of different political perspectives, and pressing them to do further research into developing their own. In turn, young non-voters may feel encouraged to interact in political discussion to express their own view points on the matter.

    Those who believe that this aggressive approach towards Key will influence listeners to also become aggressive and to hate John Key, you must keep in mind that we are not passive beings; we are not sheep. We are active, and thanks to political blogs and the new digital age we live in, we can also now be interactive in the political world.

    Sure, this song is aggressive, and obviously the potentially negative affects of such a song are obvious and easy to discuss; anger, violence and sex are all hot topics. However, it should not be completely dismissed that this song could also have a positive outcome in bringing awareness to the election to those who are currently not involved in influencing the decision-making process.

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  93. djp93 (1 comment) says:

    @jenkil
    I agree that using such extreme lyrics have been successful in creating attention and emotions regarding Tom’s political beliefs, and using his @peace fan base is an easy way to get a message across to a large amount of young people, although is it really necessary to launch a personal attack on one person? Not just one person, but their family members?
    Tom is clearly not happy with decisions being made by our government, but John Key is not the government. He represents a political party, a party in which is daughter is not part of.
    Although he doesn’t actually mention “raping the pm’s daughter”, enough people have assumed that is whats meant, therefore questioning his motives for such aggressive lyrics.
    Rape is a very sensitive topic to all, but especially those personally effected by it. Tom launched his song to the general public, therefore not knowing who could potentially be listening to it. Even the word “rape” triggers anger, fear and aggression, whether intended or not, raping the PM’s daughter is a message that has come from Toms song.
    I agree that sometimes you need to be extreme when trying to create change, and I respect Tom’s bravery in releasing such a song. But i feel agressive messages released into the public towards someones children is crossing the line, especially when they are only trying to do their job…
    I can see Tom’s intentions, he wants the youth to become more politically active and vote but surely theres other ways of doing this other than promoting violence and aggression. Not only that, If Tom does go down that aggressive path to try and spark some passion from young people, it should be directed against the National Party. Not John Key. And not his daughter.

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  94. Jenkil (3 comments) says:

    @djp93
    The point I am trying to make is not that this is the best approach, and it’s good to see people frowning upon such violent expressions. My point is that there are multiple ways of viewing this issue. I for one, feel that the end result will be purely positive if it does in fact encourage young people to discover their own political views and to actually do something about them. I believe that although aggressive in tone and text, this song will do no real harm to the president nor his daughter.

    On that topic, I also do not believe that Tom’s song is a personal attack on John Key, and especially not on his daughter. Lyrics are near impossible to decode, and it is naive to believe that there is simply one single meaning that can be derived from a particular text. A discourse analysis may help you in becoming aware of this. This is where you thoroughly analyse all of the different meanings that could come from a text, which will then also reveal all the different possible intentions behind such a text. I have participated in this form of analysis, and I have chosen to voice the an interpretation that has not yet been supported, nor mentioned on this post. Keep in mind that I do not claim for it to be the only correct interpretation. My concern here is that people seem to believe that they can claim what Tom ‘truly’ meant in his lyrics, and that anyone who has another perspective is supposedly wrong. Considering the claims being made are extremely severe – as you mentioned, rape is a sensitive subject for all – it is necessary that those reading such claims can hear a second opinion.

    I believe that Tom is genuinely not happy with the current government, and he has chosen to use John Key as a tool to express his feelings about national’s policies as a whole. Musical lyrics often do not clarify what is truly meant by the singer. Music is an art form, it is supposed to be interpreted on multiple levels. For me, this song is an attack on National as a whole, not even necessarily to say that they are doing things wrong, but to say that at this current moment, there are people who are still not content, and are struggling with every day life. For me, Tom has just taken one of many angles to express this, and I think that it is powerful.

    I now have a question for you djp93: if you believe that Tom’s approach was not an idealistic way of encouraging his young fan base to become more involved in political discussion and action, what do you believe should be done to improve NZ’s lack of youth voters?

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  95. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    :lol: LOL – so many creative ways of saying “Tom Scott of @peace is a potty-mouthed, little attention-seeking gob shite who needs to grow up”…

    Sadly, you cannot polish a turd, the best you can hope to do is roll it in glitter.

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  96. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    I now have a question for you djp93: if you believe that Tom’s approach was not an idealistic way of encouraging his young fan base to become more involved in political discussion and action, what do you believe should be done to improve NZ’s lack of youth voters?

    How about NOTHING?

    I don’t want the country governed to suit the whims of ignorant children.

    If yoofs don’t know enough – or care enough – about politics to vote, then let them not vote.

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  97. blondie994 (1 comment) says:

    I have to agree with @jenkil, in the sense that this is is an obvious way of grabbing attention, at least in part. This song capitalizes on the election year media frenzy, where anything remotely controversial makes headlines. I also agree that either directly or indirectly it has engaged youth in political discussions as it forces people to question where they stand. This may have not been the intended or primary reason, but it has become the starting point of dialogue between youth; opening a wider scope of topics for discussion around the limits to freedom of speech and loyalty to your government. I know there are many other ways of going about this, but having such a polarizing song with big media coverage is a good way of encouraging much needed political debate among youths.

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  98. Jenkil (3 comments) says:

    @RRM , an approach like that is one of the reasons why the youth are not voting; you simply do not care and do not believe that their opinions matter. Do you support the ideal of democracy? Because if you do, you should know that such an ideal cannot be achieved when so many voices are not being heard. Yes, it does come down to them in the end in deciding whether to vote or not, but I would like to think that I live in a community that wants to encourage such an action. Surely you agree that voting is important, why not work towards helping the youth of NZ be aware of this too?

    Unfortunately people can become overwhelmed by all of the different parties and policies currently available, and for this reason it can be intimidating for young people to try get involved as it can be hard to know where to start. Especially when there are other factors that must be considered in making voting decisions, such as the extent of media-affects, agenda-setting, celebrification of party actors, and many more.

    Politics is a difficult and often sensitive subject for many, which is why it is so important that youth are given the materials that may drive them to become more involved in the debate around political issues. This song can be seen as one of those materials that could begin a journey for listeners to discover where their own agendas lie. Without this support, who’s to say that our voting culture may deteriorate in the future? After all, the youth of New Zealand will become the future of this country some day.

    @blondie994, you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head here – exactly the point I am trying to express.

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