Hate speech on the Radio NZ Checkpoint Facebook page

February 21st, 2016 at 6:36 pm by David Farrar

Whale Oil has blogged comments made on the Radio NZ John Campbell Checkpoint page about John Key. They have been up there for days, so I can only presume Radio NZ either has allowed them to stay up deliberately or don’t spend any of their $32 million a year of taxpayer funding on moderating or reading the comments on their social media pages.

The comments include multiple death threats and use of the c word to one commenter saying “They should have gassed his mother” and others liking and laughing at that.

I’d have sympathy for Radio NZ if the comments were only up for a few minutes or even hours as you can’t pre-vet them. But some have been up for days.

If Helen Clark was still Prime Minister and a taxpayer funded media site had comments like this up about her for several days, I’d imagine there would be mass sackings at the highest level.

 

79 Responses to “Hate speech on the Radio NZ Checkpoint Facebook page”

  1. Caine9 (156 comments) says:

    Radio NZ feeds hatred for the National government . That they get this kind of shit is not surprising and they themselves encourage it. There will no doubt be phoney wringing of hands in the next couple of days but I won’t fall for it for a second. John Campbell a good journalist? Like hell he is, he’s pushing his own political agenda like he always has
    That’s why he fits right in there.

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  2. jp_1983 (488 comments) says:

    So do any of the comments fall foul of the Dogital communications act?

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  3. Matthew Hooton (195 comments) says:

    I hope RNZ leaves all the comments up as a reminder of the true attitudes of the so-called liberal left.

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  4. Milhous (109 comments) says:

    I heard Dita de Boni and some unknown “comedian” on the RNZ Panel with jim Mora sanctimoniously bagging anything do with Key and how moronic it was for any American to support any Republican in the current Presidential race. They made Fox looked well balanced

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  5. Andrew M (69 comments) says:

    Of all people to complain about offensive comments in online forums…

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  6. blazeoflight (1,196 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  7. Shawn Herles (14,515 comments) says:

    It’s long past time to sell off Radio Labour. It serves no useful purpose, and taxpayers should not be forced to fund biased political propaganda.

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  8. Yoza (3,053 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  9. blazeoflight (1,196 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  10. artemisia (523 comments) says:

    RNZ have taken down over 100 comments now.

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  11. gump (2,350 comments) says:

    Or you could hold the morons who wrote the posts responsible for what they wrote?

    When a drunk pisses on a sidewalk we don’t hold the council responsible for building the sidewalk.

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  12. David Farrar (1,771 comments) says:

    The fact that around 1/4 of the comments had to be deleted says something. It’s one thing if one or two slip under the radar but this was just a hatefest.

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  13. nasska (16,776 comments) says:

    ….”our well regarded and much loved teaching fraternity “…..

    You’re wasted here Blaze. You should audition for vaudeville! 🙂

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  14. Maggy Wassilieff (3,655 comments) says:

    Harmful Digital Communications Act 2015 makes for interesting reading.

    http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2015/0063/latest/DLM5711810.html

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  15. Yoza (3,053 comments) says:

    Shawn Herles (12,407 comments) says:
    February 21st, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    It’s long past time to sell off Radio Labour. It serves no useful purpose, and taxpayers should not be forced to fund biased political propaganda.

    Never going to happen, statements like that clearly illustrate how little you understand New Zealand.

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  16. RRM (12,583 comments) says:

    The enduring quality of the facebook left.

    Bless their vicious, hate-filled little hearts! <3

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  17. James Stephenson (3,056 comments) says:

    My first thought: pot, black.

    Yeah, ‘cos one bloke’s personal blog is completely the same as a taxpayer-funded media outlet with a mandated requirement for balance. Carve off a share of that $32M for DPF and then you can complain.

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  18. stephieboy (12,834 comments) says:

    Yoza,

    only true to partial extent . However I would say with those kind of hate comments RNZ could well be tempting fate, I think the board of governors that includes Chair Richard Griffen ( press secretary to former PM Sir jim Bolger ) need to intervene and bring those responsible to account .

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  19. stephieboy (12,834 comments) says:

    Err correction . That should be Jim Bolger not Sir .

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  20. dishy (268 comments) says:

    Andrew M and blazeoflight: For some time now, Whale has had a very strict moderation policy – so much so, that it has led to the loss of some erstwhile commenters, who think he has gone too far. But the policy works, insofar as it means that readers don’t see anything like the pleas to violence and other appalling comments quoted above. Perhaps you’re relying on hearsay, or your old memories.

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  21. Gabby (1,087 comments) says:

    You’d think that Crutcher would have better things to do.

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  22. Shawn Herles (14,515 comments) says:

    “Never going to happen”

    There’s an old saying Yoza, never say never.

    “statements like that clearly illustrate how little you understand New Zealand.”

    LMAO! At the last election I voted for the winning party, and you voted for Internet Mana. I think I understand Kiwi’s and NZ far better than you my commie friend! 🙂

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  23. Kea (15,179 comments) says:

    Fancy seeing Shawn on a thread about hate speech.

    In fact seeing this topic raised at all on KB is a huge juxtaposition. Its pretty mild stuff compared to what is said on GD most days.

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  24. Satantango (530 comments) says:

    @Yoza

    Hah! Whale Oil concerned about hate speech. Even more comical is Matthew let’s get Chinese millionaires to whack Nicky Hager Hooton offering his advice.

    While I take your point that political debate can be robust and none of us are without sin, those comments are an order of magnitude way beyond the rough and tumble you normally see. Not only are they pure hate speech, they are on the social media page of a tax-payer funded organisation. And worse, they were on there for days and were only taken down once attention was drawn them in the media. In other words, RNZ considered them acceptable only so long as no-one noticed.

    Yoza, I have said some puerile things on blogs, including about you on this blog. But I can not in a million years envision saying anything as hateful as those comments. You know they are hateful and despicable too. I get that you swim against the tide here and good on you for doing so. But please don’t try to distract from the vileness of those comments by drawing false equivalence examples.

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  25. Psycho Milt (3,375 comments) says:

    “Hate speech?” Seriously? Next you’ll be talking about stuff being “problematic” and “calling us” on our “privilege.”

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  26. jonnycomelately (21 comments) says:

    100 or so comments just removed 11 minutes ago

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  27. David Garrett (10,994 comments) says:

    Campbell isn’t a journalist’s asshole…he reminds me of some earnest sophomore at Uni collecting signatures for some ridiculous petition…such as for a motion that “This Student Union condemn the imperialist actions of the US government in Nicaragua in the strongest possible terms” (showing my age there, I was there in the 80’s) …and thinking it means something…

    Or perhaps a better analogy is the “Grey River Argus”, which famously published, in 1914, “We have warned the Kaiser before…”

    But at least he doesn’t screech like Mary Wilson did…

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  28. Ross12 (2,531 comments) says:

    Well David the thread got all the usual supporters of this type of rubbish out of the wood very quickly tonight.

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  29. Fentex (3,332 comments) says:

    Quite apart from any details I really don’t like the phrase “Hate Speech” when it’s perfectly possible to label hateful writing (or speech) without creating a poxy political title to write censorious laws for.

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  30. gorse (25 comments) says:

    It’s not called “Red Radio” for nothing.

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  31. Yoza (3,053 comments) says:

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  32. blazeoflight (1,196 comments) says:

    @Dishy

    I didn’t address Whaleoil at all, so I have no idea of what you are talking about.

    I simply remarked on the irony of our foremost merchant of hate speech complaining about copycats.

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  33. blazeoflight (1,196 comments) says:

    @David Garrett

    You do realise that those students were in the right, and the US remains the only country convicted of terrorism against another Nicaragua) at the ICJ.

    You know, you being a lawyer and all, I would think you take such things seriously.

    The people of Nicaragua, like those of Grenada, Honduras, Bolivia and others I forget in the moment, suffered terribly at the hands of the ‘leader of the free world’, simply for the sin of electing governments of the people rather than of US neolib lackeys like our present PM.

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  34. Southern Raider (2,109 comments) says:

    Not surprising they don’t remove concentration camp references as everytime they interview a Palestinian activist they let them spew hatred unchallenged and let them get away with anti semetism

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  35. Shawn Herles (14,515 comments) says:

    “the US remains the only country convicted of terrorism against another Nicaragua) at the ICJ.”

    That they have not convicted Iran, or any other Islamic nation that supports terrorism, should be an obvious clue as to how biased and useless the ICJ is.

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  36. Shawn Herles (14,515 comments) says:

    “Radio New Zealand or John Campbell are hardly responsible for the hatred John Key engenders.”

    Only among a tiny minority of far Left losers.

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  37. Nookin (4,579 comments) says:

    Sad that you cannot condemn the sentiments, Yoza. Even worse that you appear to endorse them by suggesting that they are justified. Even worse, still is the bloody arrogance of your suggestion that because someone has a different view to yours, they do not understand NZ.

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  38. V (1,592 comments) says:

    When did people become so soft that they can no longer handle some derogatory comments on the internet?
    They say more about the person making the comments than anything else.

    That said I’d rather RNZ just not have internet comments, their reason for existing is a radio service, so you would think constructuve public feedback from the public would be via phone in/email/talkback etc.

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  39. Nostalgia-NZ (6,435 comments) says:

    The comments are indeed condemned Nookin. Also, why RNZ don’t have a robust enough system of moderation, lastly of course no one knows who made the comments (I assume), so it remains it could be anybody that put them up, even as a target to see how long it would be until they were removed.

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  40. Kea (15,179 comments) says:

    The critics of Key are unusually vicious even by the standard of lefties. Helen Clark was possibly the most corrupt and nasty self serving PM in our countries history, yet they think she is wonderful.

    I just don’t get why they are so unhinged about Key ?

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  41. tvb (5,518 comments) says:

    Next they will put Campbell on moaning report and it will become a real hate feast against John Key. The left cannot beat Key politically so they engage in all this hate hoping someone will do something dreadful. I assume the PMs security is taking this seriously. N the meantime those that made the comments should be dealt with and RNZ should receive a warning about facilitating criminal conduct.

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  42. Yoza (3,053 comments) says:

    Nookin (4,376 comments) says:
    February 21st, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    Sad that you cannot condemn the sentiments, Yoza. Even worse that you appear to endorse them by suggesting that they are justified.

    The comments were meaningless, why would I condemn them. Quite honestly, I couldn’t care less about what others wish to say about John Key. I doubt even John Key could give a shit about the comments.

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  43. David Garrett (10,994 comments) says:

    Kea; I find it strange also…It seems to me that aside from some instances of incomprehensible silliness – the ponytail business being the best example – Key’s sins or much more of omission…He has failed to actually do anything very significant. despite having more political capital in the bank than any PM in living memory…

    blaze: Yeah, so? I actually agree with you that the US has a sorry history of blatant interference in other countries’ domestic affairs – Allende in Chile and Mossadeq in Iran being perhaps the most egregious examples…But that wasn’t my point…In 1986 when my fellow students were earnestly pushing petitions about Nicaragua it was all sound and fury, signifying nothing…Campbell reminds me of those earnest young things I knew back then…

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  44. flipper (5,304 comments) says:

    If this were the United States, and their Public Radio Service were to post such outrageous crap and threats about Obama, it would be only a matter of minutes before the Secret Service arrived and tracked the bastards.

    The result would be either arrest and formal charges in court or the mother of all warnings. The PBS would be told (served notice, actually) to ensure it never happened again.

    Where is our DPS ????????

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  45. Psycho Milt (3,375 comments) says:

    I doubt even John Key could give a shit about the comments.

    Why would he, when he has DPF and a horde of Kiwiblog commenters to take offence on his behalf? Which is also kind of ironic, given the usual attitude to taking offence on other people’s behalf here…

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  46. Jim (603 comments) says:

    It’s a pity the comments were taken down – that opens the door for more lunatics to cry about censorship and freedom of speech.

    As others have pointed out here: the “shoot the PM” comments were valuable for painting a picture of the RNZ / Campbell supporters’ mindset. They were also valuable feedback to Campbell, letting him know his whistle was heard.

    Deleting the comments helps nobody.
    * The commenters will feel oppressed.
    * Those that took offence will have to find something else to be offended at.
    * The loss of evidence of stupidity will leave everyone else feeling a little less intelligent.

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  47. Keeping Stock (12,409 comments) says:

    When did people become so soft that they can no longer handle some derogatory comments on the internet?

    V – threatening to kill, or wishing that the Nazi’s had gassed Key’s mother is just a little worse than “derogatory”; it is outright abuse and hate speech, and there’s nothing “soft” about condemning it.

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  48. Jim (603 comments) says:

    Why would he, when he has DPF and a horde of Kiwiblog commenters to take offence on his behalf? Which is also kind of ironic, given the usual attitude to taking offence on other people’s behalf here

    Meh, I’m not so sure about taking offence. I suspect those comments probably help John Key more than they hurt him, and vice-versa for his detractors. The irony would be lost on them though…

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  49. blazeoflight (1,196 comments) says:

    @Shawn

    So it’s only OK if the US does it?

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  50. UrbanNeocolonialist (818 comments) says:

    Tired of “Hate” being lambasted as if it was murder, rape or theft. Free speech is way more important than protecting petals from viewpoints they don’t like, and proscribing “Hate” has become a justification to chip away at civil liberties and create new sections of penal codes dedicated to thought-crime (See recent examples from Europe of people criticising a religion being convicted of various crimes).

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  51. Kea (15,179 comments) says:

    “It’s a pity the comments were taken down”

    Yes indeed. That is the problem with censorship. Now folk do not get to see how bad some of Key’s critics are. Leaving them there is good for Key and bad for Labour.

    It’s not like those comments would change any persons view of Key, other than perhaps to sympathise with him.

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  52. tom hunter (7,728 comments) says:

    SSDD

    US voters say media bias is a bigger issue than money in politics

    Stephen Fry explains why he has left Twitter

    FCC Commissioner sees free speech under threat

    Having said that I agree with Fentex above about “Hate Speech”: a shitty Orwellian invention developed and used by the left to beat people into silence. I understand that right wingers here are trying to apply the left’s own standards against, but I don’t like buying into their bullshit – and it won’t work anyway. They’re utterly impervious to such claims.

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  53. RRM (12,583 comments) says:

    Kea (15,110 comments) says:
    February 21st, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    I just don’t get why they are so unhinged about Key ?

    Apparently, you can “just tell” that he’s up to no good…

    I would have thought that after almost 8 years in office, he would surely have played his evil, corrupt, far-right masterstroke and enslaved us all by now?

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  54. Whaleoil (707 comments) says:

    Mediaworks must be pleased they got rid of this problem when they axed Campbell Live.

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  55. Satantango (530 comments) says:

    @Yoza

    Facebook is not a tax-payer funded organisation and Radio New Zealand or John Campbell are hardly responsible for the hatred John Key engenders

    FFS, I know Facebook is not tax-payer funded and you being deliberately obtuse in implying that is what I meant. And as for the second part of your comment, by allowing those statements to remain on their Facebook page, for as long as they did, RNZ gave them a credence and a status they don’t deserve. Next you will be telling us it is all John Key’s fault people hate him so much, want him dead and wish his Mother hd been gassed.

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  56. peterwn (4,290 comments) says:

    Easily solved – Bill English should pencil in a 10% budget cut and drop that on them in his Budget speech The look on the faces of Labour and Green MP’s and Press Gallery journos would be a sight to behold.

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  57. tom hunter (7,728 comments) says:

    Facebook is not a tax-payer funded organisation…

    That’s a pathetic excuse and deflection. One might as well as say you’re not responsible for the messages on a board you’ve hired from Boards R Us. You’re responsible for comments appearing on your Facebook page, and Facebook are more than happy to take ones down if you complain about them.

    Having said that I agree that these comments should be retained as an example.

    The point of this post by DPF is to highlight the different standards applied by the Left because it’s John Key, rather than Helen Clark. Not just standards in what is posted and left up, but also the standards in judging them: Key – laughter; Clark – gasps of shock, horror and outrage. The word misogyny would not have been far away. But that relates directly to the examples I gave earlier, where what is permissable to be said and what is not, is determined by the modern world of identity politics and the privilege assigned to the progressive stack.

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  58. HC (186 comments) says:

    Hoohah, what a load of fuss about Facebook. Who can control what goes up on Facebook and may not be appropriate? Is it the responsibility of RNZ or John Campbell, when some let off steam that goes beyond the acceptable? Facebook has issues all the time, so do you expect that RNZ or John sit there 24/7 and follow who puts what comment on their Facebook page?

    Here we have Whaleoil amongst all “saints” raise this issue, what about his conduct we heard enough of?

    What I realise is, that now it is all on, to discredit and attack John Campbell again, at RNZ, and with that RNZ, to prepare to get him muzzled or even sacked, as dissent is not tolerated in John Key’s Land of Eternal Brighter Future, right?!

    This is nasty, the whole strategy, to silence dissent wherever it pops up, to place certain “chiefs” in media companies and organisations, to force out those that the government may not like, we can see what is going on, it is all on, to purge RNZ or even privatise or close it down.

    What a disgrace, deliver arguments and proof, e.g. on failed welfare reforms, instead of dodging OIA requests, under-funding the Ombudsmen and using enless tricks to avoid transparency and responsibility.

    Obviously “dirty politics” did never cease.

    Aside from that, I have little faith and liking for Facebook, Twitter and also those social media diseases, to uphold quality and independence it is best not to use them. They are the instruments of dumbing down ever more people.

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  59. Hajji (679 comments) says:

    Commie death threats.

    Who would have thunk it!

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  60. duggledog (2,363 comments) says:

    On this organization:

    Regarding Willie Jackson’s letter to National Radio about the alleged lack of Maori content. Jackson Inc must be in the red.

    He’ll never get that juicy contract back, but if he really wants to f*** them over, what Jackson needs to do is call for an inquiry into exactly what they all do inside National Radio, and compare that with the rest of the broadcasting industry. Because although nobody gives a shit about Maori content, they might care about having their money pissed away.

    Everyone knows it’s the last bastion of 1970s ‘Gliding On’ type of employment. Yet Key does nothing.

    How much does Kim Hill get paid to do a weekly show? How many producers does she have and how much are they paid? What about Wallace Chapmen? If there was an audit, Kiwis would be outraged and the place would suffer the same fate as Judy Bailey when it was revealed how much she was earning.

    National Radio’s funding was frozen eight years ago. But they still have 270 full time staff, when either of the two commercial radio networks run multiple outlets with less staff.

    The Broadcasting Minister ought to tell the board of National Radio that in line with other sectors in the New Zealand economy, they ought to do their share by at least including sponsorship and advertising, to do their bit. That way, they can reduce their reliance on the long-suffering taxpayer.

    If not – then why not? Is it because the commercial networks would be worried about losing advertising?

    Is that such an imposition when farmers are going to be walking off their farms in increasing numbers this year, and millions of children dying in the streets from poverty?

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  61. duggledog (2,363 comments) says:

    Whale

    Remember – 270 staff.

    There are no sales consultants or copy writers.

    What do they all do?

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  62. Psycho Milt (3,375 comments) says:

    Yes, it is a pity the comments were taken down: https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2016/02/22/the-mysterious-case-of-the-hate-speech-on-the-rnz-facebook-page/

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  63. Nookin (4,579 comments) says:

    Gee, thanks, Yoza. Really nice to know that threats to kill the Prime Minister and other hate speech is meaningless and that your comment that Key himself engenders this degree of hatred is a figment of my imagination.

    I guess we put aside, too, the fact that one of the reasons for Key not attending Waitangi this year was that Taurua said that there may be riots and he would encourage this — leading security to conclude that they could not guarantee the safety of the contingent. I suppose that the fire bombing of Anne Tolley’s office didn’t happen, either? Or is this the sort of thing that Key engenders, too?

    One thing I am curious about. How can you say it was meaningless on the one hand yet indicative of the hatred engendered by the PM on the other?

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  64. mikenmild (23,672 comments) says:

    Smells a bit, doesn’t it Psycho? We could stand to hear more about how Slater came to hear of this sudden rash of vitriolic comments on an obscure Facebook page.

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  65. Nostalgia-NZ (6,435 comments) says:

    It was always likely that the whistle blowers were pointing out their own ‘handiwork,’ or were in the loop someway. I guess another day will make that clearer as a search into the comments continues. If in fact the comments were orchestrated in someway by the seemingly outraged (perhaps even excited) whistleblowers then they are a mercenary bunch of expletives as is anyone associated with the remarks – particularly the one about Jk’s mother. As for arguments about why they should have been left up, very generous of those not involved to think it is of significant importance that such crap has any place on a message board.

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  66. The only red for me is that of Manchester United (81 comments) says:

    John Campbell is an employee of Radio New Zealand, a government employee and there are strict polices for employees around the use of social media.

    Honest question, where would one go to write an official compliant to RNZ over this matter? Through their website?

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  67. Liberal Minded Kiwi (1,535 comments) says:

    And right on cue – Mikenmild appears to blame the posts on Whaleoil.
    Anybody could have clicked on the offenders names to see they were leftist trolls.

    But you are pretty thick.

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  68. G152 (1,825 comments) says:

    Time to shut Red Radio down.
    Those threats against the PM are over the top in any-ones language.
    Oh and the police should have a little talk to the perps

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  69. Northshoredoc (178 comments) says:

    The mad vermin over at the standard are claiming it was all a ‘false flag’ exercise by Slater….they really are tinfoilhat wearing loons over there that make the likes of the mad race baiters and conspiracy theory loons on the GD thread here look positively erudite.

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  70. rouppe (1,236 comments) says:

    Since the audio of the radio interview is posted on facebook does the entire post including its comments become subject to the Broadcast Standards Authority?

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  71. mikenmild (23,672 comments) says:

    The BSA only covers broadcast programmes, not text published on the web.

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  72. Nick R (949 comments) says:

    Sigh. And I thought there was no such thing as a right not to be offended. Obviously that’s for other people, not the sensitive flowers of Kiwiblog.

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  73. WineOh (1,063 comments) says:

    I’m with Hooten on this, leave the hate messages up, even the worst ones. It shows the calibre of the folk opposing our PM and government, and further isolates the loonies.

    As an aside, doesn’t Facebook have some restrictions as to what one can post there, objectionable material may be cause for those users to be served with permanent bans.

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  74. Liberal Minded Kiwi (1,535 comments) says:

    The sad reality is, just like every single time the left pour their anti Jew hate into the public sphere is that nothing is ever done about it. Nothing. We hear all the outrage about it here on Kiwiblog, over at Whaleoil and then that’s it. No journalists care to talk about it. John Campbell will not even entertain the idea of asking his listeners to calm down. Even the fucktards who post get away with it. Why are we not finding the names of these lowlifes and chasing them down to make them accountable for their fuckwittery?
    Tell their parents, their places of “work”, name and shame properly. These parasites will keep doing it unless they understand the consequences of their actions.

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  75. mikenmild (23,672 comments) says:

    the left pour their anti Jew hate

    EAD and Reid won’t like you calling them part of ‘the left’.

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  76. Kimbo (6,748 comments) says:

    @ blzeoflight

    The people of…Grenada…suffered terribly at the hands of the ‘leader of the free world’, simply for the sin of electing governments of the people rather than of US neolib lackeys like our present PM.

    But in liberating Grenada from Marxist–Leninism, Ronald Reagan secured the then-second largest producer of nutmeg for the free world. So, contrary to left-wing analysis, it isn’t “all about oil!” 😉

    And according to wikipedia (!), the 1983 regime that was overthrown by the Americans was itself the result of a coup.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenada

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  77. Gabby (1,087 comments) says:

    I suppose Crutcher could have put Fat Cambo up to it.

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  78. doggone7 (1,658 comments) says:

    David Garrett @ 8:46 pm “Campbell isn’t a journalist’s asshole …”

    Presumably Mike Hosking is.

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  79. Gabby (1,087 comments) says:

    Totally correct apart from the journalist bit

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