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October 23, 2007 10:35am by David Farrar

General Debate 23 October 2007

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PaulL

Aha. Scandanavian carbon neutrality. Is this any more than window dressing? Are they actually going carbon neutral, or using a bunch of discredited technologies (that don’t really reduce carbon) plus importing the more carbon intensive products?
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October 23, 2007 10:38am
Lee C

Shameless cut’n’paste (and you should have seeen the typo I just did) but I think its got legs….

Rodney Hide has suggested that the Select COmmittee work closely with the Human RIghts Commisiion to tidy up the EFB. Evidently he hasn’t read what the HRC said and wrote about the Bill. (ie scrap it and start again)

Also hasn’t understood what Clark and Burton have said: It doesn’t contravene the Bill of Rights. (Clark Hansard 16th Oct.) So stick it in your pipe…

Case of Rodders trying to appear a defender of democracy, safe in the knowledge that his words have no meaning?
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October 23, 2007 10:42am
krazykiwi

oh Paul – Scandinavian and carbon neutrality… individual terms that are certain to set our socio-geekonomic trolls a-gnashing. but both together? OMG…
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October 23, 2007 10:44am
krazykiwi

From Stuff:

Two young men whose cars raced away from traffic lights before one of them hit a young woman crossing the road, have received a 10 month home detention sentence.

10 months home detention for killing someone?!?!?
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October 23, 2007 10:51am
CharlotteM

Good article by Colin James in today’s Herald. Raises further questions in my mind about the capacity of some in current National team to cope with the real complex issues that they will face in the run up to the election and in Government – should they get there. Brownlie is not up to energy and Nick Smith is a real liablity on Climate Change. Key needs to make changes.
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October 23, 2007 11:00am
pdm

Does anyone else think the Herald Poll on a `Legal Limit’ on the Number of Working Hours in a day has been `got at’??

A few minutes ago showed 1846 votes 53% for legislation and 46% against which seems out of kilter to me.
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October 23, 2007 11:29am
philu

yeah ..you look behind key..

and it’s the same old ‘hollow-people’ faces..

kinda spooky/scary..!

eh..?

and then behind them..hovering over them..is former natty high-rider

..roger mcclay..

who is now heading macquarie bank..

which is institutionaly-salivating on the sidelines..

waiting to snap/slurp up all those promised ‘gummint-assets’/’partial’ privatisations..

and what size ‘wedge’ do you think mcclay/macquaririe will be giving ..(anonymously..of course..!)..to the national party..?

i’reckon they’ll need a wheelbarrow..eh..?

now..what we must ask ourselves/consider..

..is..just what it is that they are ‘buying’..from our political representitives..?

yet/even more intergenerational-theft of publically-owned assets..

would be my call..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 23, 2007 11:39am
maidennz

From Left Field:
Biosecurity New Zealand is calling for submissions on the “Joint Decision-making and Resourcing for Readiness and Incursion Responses” …and ..”Policy for responding to pests and diseases (risk organisms)”.

This is a major piece of legislation that formulates the responses to pest and disease incursions. It is supposed to road map the response of BNZ (not the bank) and industry to protect New Zealanders and their environment from P&D incursions (think fruitfly or foot and mouth at the agricultural end (and NZ’s economy) and the mozzie that carries the Ross river Virus at the other end) This submission process has not been made widely known and as one MAF person said that they “invited industries that are prepared to contirbute cash to joint ventures around biosecurity”. No pay; no say; no protection?

Your thoughts?
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October 23, 2007 12:06pm
maidennz

More on Biosecurity New Zealand…
May I also say that the rural community already pays taxes (lord knows they keep enough of our money) to cover these incursions. Just as urbanites pay taxes to cover responses to e.g. mosquito incursions. Why to we get hit twice.
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October 23, 2007 12:09pm
llew

Well done the Boks!

I’m confident the Brit press have taken a leaf from their scorn of kiwi rage against the ref & accept that the try was correctly disallowed.

Tui anyone?
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October 23, 2007 12:17pm
infused

I would just like to know what Labour is doing with this childhood education. My gym can no longer offer a crashe because the people that watch over the kids there are no qualified as early childhood educators…

What the hell? Maybe I’m missing something here, but this is screwed up.
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October 23, 2007 12:26pm
stan

This is quite funny:

You have to give the girl credit for honesty — if nothing else. On a website called Craig’s List, a young woman wrote: “I’m a spectacularly beautiful 25-year-old girl. I’m articulate and classy. I’m looking to [marry] a guy who makes at least half a million a year. Where do you single rich men hang out?”

She also wanted to know how men decided between “marriage versus just a girlfriend. I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY,” she said.

In response, a man who claimed to meet her financial requirements said that from his perspective, her offer was a lousy business deal. “What you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party, and I bring my money,” he wrote. “But here’s the rub: Your looks will fade and my money will” continue to grow. “So in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset.” (Ouch!)

This is why, the man explained, “It doesn’t make good business sense to ‘buy you’ (which is what you’re asking), so I’d rather lease. So a deal that makes sense [to me] is dating, not marriage. If you want to enter into some sort of lease [agreement],” he finished up, “let me know.”

– Charles W Colson
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October 23, 2007 12:27pm
slightlyrighty

With regard to the creche at the gym. What the ‘crats fail to realise is that the purpose of a creche at a gym is not to educate children. The purpose of such a facility is to entertain and care for children while mum or dad get the proper exercise and stay healthy.

Mum or Dad get a break away from the kids and stay healthy, the kids are looked after, and get to play with other kids in a supervised environment and everyone is happy!

Of course some ‘crat has to dip her oar in (it was probably a her…..but I stand to be corrected) and felt the need to come up with this rule to justify her position in some ministry.

Now mum or dad get fat, unhealthy and sick and provide a great role model to the kids.

good one.
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October 23, 2007 12:47pm
Lee C

Ilew
I’m a pom. I thought the Boks won fair and square. I was just glad the poms were in the final. I just thought it was a good game.
No sour grapes at all.
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October 23, 2007 1:13pm
Sam Dixon

pdm – why would the Heral’d poll showing that most people want legislaton around work hours be “out of kilter”? Out of kilter with what exactly?
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October 23, 2007 1:24pm
Frank.

Lee C: ” Rodney Hide has suggested that the Select Committee work closely with the Human Rights Commission to tidy up the EFB’.

I agree its a “case of Rodders trying to appear a defender of democracy, safe in the knowledge that his words have no meaning.”

The old “perk buster” has deflated in mind and body. Probably is unaware that his erstwhile colleague Dr Muriel Newman, submitted a petition of nearly 5,000 against the EFB. Unaware of Half done’s analysis of the submissions showing over half in favour of killing it.

Just another of the hypocrites that go to comprise our Parliament
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October 23, 2007 1:43pm
Wycroft

What do the woeful, prissy, introspective, Prima Donna mid-90s Black Caps cricket teams have in common with the present All Black squad?

Two words: Gilbert Enoka.

I was astonished to see in the paper over the weekend that this snake oil salesman has a role with the All Blacks. Apparently he’s coordinating their “grief counselling.” IMHO if there’s a team doing really badly at any level of sport there’s a reasonable chance Gilbert Enoka is somewhere near them messing with their heads.
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October 23, 2007 1:58pm
Frank.

PaulL Says: “Aha. Scandinavian carbon neutrality. Is this any more than window dressing?”.

Probably at this present time it is.

However it is no different from Helen’s dream of leading the world in putting into place proposals to improve our efficiency in generating power, and the utilisation of this power, by conservation.

The advances of technologies in the fields of renewable energy go on, regardless of, and unknown to politicians, ushering in a new era, with huge decreases in carbon emissions.
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October 23, 2007 2:05pm
Michaels

A QUESTION:….. Listening to Parliment for a little while today Charles Chauvel asked a question of Cullen about Kiwisaver, his question was lined up for Cullen to give it a glowing report…. When Bill English asked a question of how much the Government had put in, he had no figures at all to report. So my question is, When will they put a stop to this type of questioning?? It is supposed to be a debating chamber. The Poddle uses this line many times as well.
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October 23, 2007 2:25pm
Bok

The real winners on Sunday had to be the poms. Comming back from a 36 nil drumming only three weeks ago, they show that they were worthy defenders. I raise my glass to a very classy English outfit.

And to the pillick who pretends to be a journo and wrote that Henry was better off not winning a tainted cup (NZ Herald) all I can say that it is sad tossers like you that have turned this once proud land into the labour supporting whingers that we see running around today.

To the real kiwi’s I say see you in 4 years time for a festival that will rock the world.
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October 23, 2007 2:32pm
Lee C

Bok – spoken like a gentleman I’d like to see a sea-change from all this girly back-stabbing that appears to have taken over Rugby.

Still I had to smile when I heard that the ABs were getting counselling, couldn’t help contrast it with the legs-astride, eye-rolling and bellowing- throat cutting ‘I’m gonna tear you into little pieces’ gestures that was the Haka.

Also couldn’t help reflecting that back in the day, your Maori warrior wouldn’t have had the benefit of, or desired to use, a counsellor after losing a battle. Anyway why do they need counselling if it turns out the cup wasn’t even worth showing up for?

What a strange world we live in.

All Blacks – see you in four years or will they still be in therapy?..
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October 23, 2007 3:31pm
milo

Ah, the All Blacks have a familiar problem then. They are being choked by bureacracy. People mistake things that sound like a good idea for things that actually are a good idea. Appointments follow, a structure is established, and the people who inhabit it spend all their time annoying the productive members of the sqaud/society and intefering with their ability to do what actually matters ….
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October 23, 2007 3:49pm
David Farrar

Phil – you are confusing Jim McLay and Roger McClay.
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October 23, 2007 3:55pm
slightlyrighty

OK……who’s seen the Erin Brockovich ads for Noel Leemings. Apart from the fact she’s never shopped there in her life, and probably never will, are these a good idea or will it bite Noel Leemings in the bum??
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October 23, 2007 3:57pm
llew

“No sour grapes at all.”

Hey lee, sorry, that WAS a pointed dig at the brit press, not English people in general.

“And to the pillick who pretends to be a journo and wrote that Henry was better off not winning a tainted cup (NZ Herald) all I can say that it is sad tossers like you ”

Demonstrating that pillock journos are everywhere.

“Still I had to smile when I heard that the ABs were getting counselling,”

I can hear the sneer from Colin Meads from here.

“Ah, the All Blacks have a familiar problem then. They are being choked by bureacracy.”

Maybe, I do think that there is a huge gulf between the bureaucracy & the spectators.
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October 23, 2007 3:59pm
Rex Widerstrom

More and more people are living in sheds, garages and industrial lock-ups because they can’t afford rent?!

If a government can’t ensure it’s people have shelter, food and basic medical care it’s derelict. Especially one that claims to adhere to socialist principles.

In fact they’re victims of a ridiculous and power-drunk bureaucracy (see slightlyrighty’s comments re gymnasium creche above) left to ravage the weakest members of society by a government with it’s priorities seriously out of whack.

People are arguing tax cuts vs retained surpluses for some sort of “maybe, might happen, you never know” future downturn and there’s people paying $100 for a tin a shed with no windows?

If these are the depths to which NZ has been permitted to sink then I’m amazed there aren’t pike staffs and burning torches ringing Parliament, demanding a solution from any party which has the gall to ask for votes without providing an immediate and lasting solution to this and other abominations.
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October 23, 2007 4:04pm
Bok

Ilew
I had to smile on Saturday when Honis reffed the French game. All the last two weeks there were people here going on how the pommie ref was inexperienced and young and how could they give such a big game to him. And then Honis (now the most capped ref ever) comes out on Saturday and has no control over the two teams what so ever. (And that was the general consensus not my opinion)

How about a wales Vs SA final in 2011 (and before any of the AB supporters guffaws – just remember a team that is concidered not good enough to join the tri nations or 6 nations made it to the semi’s.
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October 23, 2007 4:07pm
Bok

Rex still waiting for you to get in touch.
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October 23, 2007 4:08pm
Rex Widerstrom

Bok – I did?! I’ll re-send.
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October 23, 2007 4:25pm
Hoolian

Has anyone heard about Ellen Degenres and her bloody dog? I’m hearing about it left, right and centre and can’t work out why Hollywood is preoccupied with such a trivial matter. How about crying about the children in Sudan and cancelling shows for that?

If anyone ever needs a reason as to why she shouldn’t ever have children…
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October 23, 2007 4:34pm
Calculus

Who is the person that you often see standing behind Clark when holding pressers ?This photo from TV3 news.
http://www.tv3.co.nz/News/PoliticsNews/ClarksaysmoreMPstogo/tabid/419/articleID/37515/Default.aspx
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October 23, 2007 5:09pm
Calculus

And no she didn’t look very happy so I ruled out the consort idea!!
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October 23, 2007 5:11pm
bwakile

Erin Brokovich has put me off shopping at NL ever again and Bond and bond as they have the same owner. Putting a shonky advert on and then having her pull it was just a corny publicity stunt. Made a great “news” story for granny herald though.
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October 23, 2007 5:13pm
barry

Calculus – that grumpy faced female is the MP for some maori seat. I thinks shes Mahuta from the Tanui tribe. As is the norm for maori females, they always look grumpy.

As you know. Tainui have a terrible record of wasting their treaty payouts (yes – thats plural. they had Full and Final back in the 1940’s). ainui spent some of their first treaty money on hiring a aeroplane to take a group of tribal memebrs to sydney to watch the glorious worriers play league. They lost the game.

If clark had any sense she would have mahuta there to advise on spending matters – and clark would always do the opposite.
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October 23, 2007 5:26pm
barry

Carbon neutrality………………

flying elephants…………..

pigs climbing trees………..

Nuclear energy is bad……………

all the same style of message
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October 23, 2007 5:31pm
Rex Widerstrom

Barry: You’re right but let’s not forget their “investment” in a corporate box at the stadium in Auckland, and a pub in Melbourne. Winston asked me to look at the value of such “investments” once, and then sent me to Hamilton to question them about it. I felt like I was in the middle of a “Sopranos” episode…

Anyway, the justification for the stadium was that it would benefit the entire tribe by providing free seats to sporting events. I recall we took the number of Tainui people, the number of seats available for allocation, the number of sporting fixtures held in a given year… the maori person at the end of Tainui’s queue would have waited something like 35,000 years for their seat.

Still, not all bad I guess. Presumably by then the All Blacks would be back on form 😀
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October 23, 2007 5:41pm
pdm

Sam Dixon

That poll is `out of kilter’ with most of the people with whom I mix – from my business contacts to the people I have a beer with at the club on a Friday.

Almost all work over 40 hours a week – probably closer to 50 – and none would want the time they can work regulated. These include people with more than one job.

In my experience if you regulate work hours and require overtime paid after say 40 hours `Parkinsons Law’ takes over – that is the amount of available work is drawn out to fill in the required time at work – and productivity plummets.
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October 23, 2007 5:45pm
philu

oops..!..my bad..!

are they whanau..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 23, 2007 5:48pm
Hoolian

The grumpy faced MP is the Minister of Youth Affairs – Hon Nanaia Mahuta. She is useless. Terribly, terribly useless
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October 23, 2007 5:49pm
philu

that’s right.!

.roger gets brownie points for being in favour of banning smacking/physical punishment of children..

when he was childrens commissioner..

(one of yr ‘soft’ nattys..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 23, 2007 6:01pm
Reg

Calculus:
I think you’ll find that Nanaia Mahuta has had a particularly awful bad hair day
because Helen’s mate “Broadie” just locked up half her whanau for playing with pea-shooters in the Uraweras
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October 23, 2007 6:47pm
big bruv

I see the results of the blogger challenge have been posted on the Air New Zealand virtual rugby site, well done to that man Graeme T, he sure knows a thing or two about his footy.
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