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June 13, 2008 11:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 12 June 2008

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llew

Trainsurfing. They’ll be banning it next.
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June 13, 2008 11:04am
Graeme Edgeler

Well, if you really want one of these everyday, you could set up time-delayed general debate posts for a whole month in one go!
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June 13, 2008 11:16am
adamsmith1922

I read Trotter’s smear piece in the DomPost this morning, it was dreadful and made me very cross.

I posted about it here

http://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/1068/

He implies that Key and National are in thrall to right wing religious fanatics
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June 13, 2008 11:24am
pdm

Adam – Trotter is a dick, don’t let him get to you.
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June 13, 2008 11:26am
unaha-closp

Mark Steyn trial has ended, the Canadian Religious Authorities* are considering their verdict and are likely to deliver a finding of blasphemy.

* Humans Rights Commission

http://steynian.wordpress.com/
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June 13, 2008 11:31am
adamsmith1922

I don’t normally, but he made me so cross with his crap and lies
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June 13, 2008 11:31am
adamsmith1922

Re Mark Steyn, I thought it was the province of British Columbia statute and not a federal statute he was being persecuted under?
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June 13, 2008 11:33am
philu

this is an interesting read..

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/the-richand-the-rest-of-us/

games up..!

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 13, 2008 11:33am
David Farrar

Graeme – I sort of plan to, but never find the time to do so. This one was in fact set up yesterday.
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June 13, 2008 11:39am
getstaffed

philu – stop link-whoring evidence of your pathetic ‘rich prick’ envy syndrome. i pay taxes so that you can choose to sit back and toke/blather/toke/complain etc. get off you drug-infested arse and get a job to provide for yourself.
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June 13, 2008 11:41am
Frank

The Police need to be commended on the one hand for the apprehension of those cold blooded murdering criminals who shot to death the Sikh shopkeeper. On the other hand, there are connatations that could be used by the Accused’s Defence Lawyers

Consider also the scenario. The shopkeeper shot the robber and reported the matter to the police. The police are there in 5 minutes?

Reality of the situation. Police reaction time 45 minuts? Was this delay and the imposed delay of the ambulance a major contributing cause to the deathof the victim.

The arrested criminals are facing a charge of 1st degree murder as the result of the victim’s death!. Available Life saving services were denied the dying victim by the Poolice deeming “standard operational procedures took precedence.

The accused, in their defense could argue that if the victim had been subject to immediate medical assistance, his life could have been saved, and they would be facing less serious charges, such as an assault with a deadly weapon etc.

They were no longer on the premises as was reported to the police, so they did not in any way hinder the rendering of First Aid to the victim. Police were soley responsible for the delat in withholding the life giving assistance, just around the Corner.
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June 13, 2008 11:42am
gd

Frank sadly you are correct and IMHO this will see the murders getting a soft sentence as their tax payer funded lawyer argues everyting from potty training problems to us whites being the cause to the TOW stress related to the point you raised.

Note that Sharples and Turia and the usual suspects are very quiet. Not a peep out of them about ‘THEIR PEOPLE”

Meanwhile the Socialists run around like headless chooks pretending to do something when in realitiy they are scared witless to take the appropriate actions.
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June 13, 2008 11:54am
philu

this one is for getstaffed..

http://whoar.co.nz/2008/this-land-is-their-land/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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June 13, 2008 11:56am
aardvark

Is this the best our media can do when it comes to objective reporting in these times of soaring petrol prices?

http://stuff.co.nz/4578927a6015.html

This is a scam but Stuff does a great job of promoting it as fact.

The facts are here:

http://aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml

Obviously the reporter didn’t even spend a minute on Google checking the claims of those pushing this scheme.

Truly reflective of the sorry state to which our media has devolved 🙁
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June 13, 2008 11:58am
Dilbertian

DomPost page B3 has a delicious headline “Cuba relaxes salary system”. Scrapping the system of equal pay for all because it “hurts productivity”. Love it! Fancy a communist country using a market system to set pay.
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June 13, 2008 12:01pm
jafapete

Thanks Adam. I found Trotter’s piece by googling “stuff Trotter”. But seriously, what did he say that was wrong?

Since you and philu have been link-whoring already, I’ll mention that my view — as posted elsewhere — is close to Trotter’s view that the electoral consequences of reawakening the abortion sleeping giant may be significant. And not to the Nat’s advantage.

If abortion becomes a live election issue, then both sides, as well as the media, will be striving to ensure that every candidate’s position is known, given that the vote will be a ‘conscience’ vote. This could impact on the final outcome of the election, should the views of the predominantly white and male National Party list not reflect those of the voters. Don’t you agree?
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June 13, 2008 12:07pm
jafapete

Postscript: If anyone here knows the people who seem to have hacked my blog and reassembled it, could they please put it back the way it was? Thanks.

PPS: Lee C, the cheque’s in the mail.
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June 13, 2008 12:11pm
PhilBest

On Chris Trotter, the thing that pisses me off most, pdm, is that rags like the DomPost publish him but no matter how repugnant he gets, there is never the slightest attempt at balance, or a refutation or a rebuttal. How many people actually get to read the excellent takedowns ( and takeaparts) of Trotter on “No, Minister” (and “Adam Smith”). The bloody socialists KNOW that there are ignorant masses who gradually get more and more poisoned by their lies as long as the dosage is repeated over and over. I include Tim (“Emmeline”) Pankhurst and the DomPost Editorial team in that category, in their unashamed enabling of the bloody-handed Trotter.

By the way, I cannot believe that Trotter is inactive on the blogs, but he seems to not have the spine to identify himself and submit to an identifiable beating in a forum like this. I suspect some of the more prominent lefty trolls with nom-de-plumes, of being Chris Trotter, John Minto, and Nicky Hager (who likewise do not seem to poke their identifiable ugly faces above the parapet).
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June 13, 2008 12:12pm
unaha-closp

Dilbertian

More likely be communist country increasing pay for police and militia, less lovely.
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June 13, 2008 12:12pm
PaulL

adam: I agree. My partner pointed that out to me this morning, and I read it without surprise. This is the Chris Trotter who thinks that corruption is acceptable so long as it is directed at returning Labour to power – the small evil of corruption is preferable to the vastly worse evil of a National government. He is using his opinion column to overtly campaign for Labour, and creating lies in doing so. I cannot remember the exclusions in the EFA, but I wonder whether this column could be argued to have the intent of amusing and entertaining (were those the words), v’s being an election advertisement.

In short, it is what I expect from Trotter, which makes it no less reprehensible. I completely agree with you that it does NZ Inc no benefit in making this into an election issue. The sooner that National come out and say ‘The law appears to be badly drafted, we will introduce an amendment to the law that legalises the current position (abortion on demand up to and including second trimester), and make that the subject of a conscience vote in the house”, the sooner this goes away as an election issue.
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June 13, 2008 12:15pm
Tauhei Notts

Chris Trotter on Abortion Law.
The man is a prime candidate for retrospective abortion.
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June 13, 2008 12:19pm
jafapete

PhilBest and other Trotter-haters, did you not see the statement by the Editor of ‘The Independent’, no less, announcing the new look Independent…

“We still carry the much-revered opinion of Chris Trotter and our old mate Chalkie. There are some things you just don’t tamper with.”

I’ll agree that he’s provocative — it seems to work well for his ‘brand’ — but his continued general popularity begs the question: is there something you guys are missing? And lay on the negative kharma for that if it makes you feel better, but it won’t change anything.
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June 13, 2008 12:24pm
first time caller

Who gives a shit what Trotter thinks?
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June 13, 2008 12:24pm
adamsmith1922

jafapete

What Trotter did in my opinion as I stated in my post was, apart from continually adopting a patronising stance to women, to imply that Justice Miller was akin to the Taleban, that Catholics and evangelicals were akin to the Taleban, that the National Party was in thrall to the religious right who were the equivalent of the Taleban. In fact he displayed an arrogance and intolerant view of anyone he does not hold his world view IMHO.

Further, he deliberately set out to poison the political well by seeking to make abortion and to a lesser extent religious beliefs an election issue. These are issues that have effectively destroyed much of politics in the US for example. We do not need to do the same here.

He sought to smear Key and National, you obviously have no problem with that – well I do.

BTW as noted on my blog I am socially liberal, not socially conservative – I am economically liberal as well, but I suspect you would define that as economically to the right
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June 13, 2008 12:26pm
PaulL

I hope National are on this quickly. The more I think about this the more worried I get. The last thing we need is this as an election issue – it is a gift to the left. Unfortunately some senior folk in the National party have views on this issue that are not in line with a large proportion of the population. Not saying that National on average are out of line, but that the media will focus on the one front bencher who has a view that most NZers don’t agree with. This is an issue that doesn’t win votes, but certainly can lose them. And when you’re on 55% in the polls, odds are you’re going to lose a lot more than you win.

All we need now is for Bill English to come out and say that he would like to look at this, and that philosophically his Catholic upbringing tells him that abortion is wrong. We can then watch 75% of the female vote, and probably 45% of the male vote, desert the National party.

Somebody better jump on this very quickly. We need legislation to fix this before the election, or a very clear statement from the National party that this will not in fact be a conscience vote, and some drafted legislation that is visible before the election, that National commit to support through parliament. And that legislation needs to have no funny business at all in it – it needs to make it clear that status quo is what we will be having.
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June 13, 2008 12:26pm
adamsmith1922

BTW I am not a Trotter hater as such, as I said in my post:-

Adam used to regard Trotter as just a socialist, trapped in a time warp, with an overly romantic view of socialism – perhaps pondering his days in Dunedin student flats, keeping warm by dreaming of the revolution and singing the Internationale.

Latterly, he saw Trotter as someone who occasionally, very occasionally seemed to have something relevant to say, though not something Adam tended to find himself in agreement with for the most part.
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June 13, 2008 12:32pm
Right of way is Way of Right

I see the Supreme Court has allowed Susan Couch the right to sue the Dept of Corrections over the decision to grant parole to William Bell.

This is a landmark decision, and should a degreee of culpability be attributed to the Corrections Department, it should act as a driver to re-examine the procedures and allow a more robust screening of potential parolees.

I am quite sure the victims of Graham Burton will be watching with interest!!
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June 13, 2008 12:34pm
jafapete

PaulL, I don’t know whether you saw my 12.07pm post, but what you say is very much in line with my view that there may be unintended consequences of stirring the sleeping giant of abortion. DPF may know — it’s his line of trade — but I suspect that the (vast) majority of the population will be in favour of reasonably liberal availability (up to 16 weeks, say).

Since this will be a conscience vote it won’t be merely a matter of focussing attention on “the one front bencher who has a view that most NZers don’t agree with.” Oh no. Both sides, along with the media, will be scrutinising the positions of every cnadidate with any chance of winning a seat. Intensely. That’s how it was last time. Because when the conscience votes are counted, they’re all equal.

It will be very interesting to see how predominantly male National (in terms of candidates) stacks up compared to much more diverse Labour. And everybody will be watching.
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June 13, 2008 12:49pm
Fairfacts Media

Cheers for referring to my post on Trotter and abortion

http://www.nominister.blogspot.com

Yes, the last thing we need is for Liarbour to use abortion as a campaigning diversion from thereal issus like tax, the economy, etc, etc.
John Key will have to make it clear that there will be no ‘NZ Taliban’ influencing NZ law on abortion.
As I have blogged, abortion is an issue that transceds prty politics.
But Key and National will have to be sharp to stop Trotter and others from using it as a stick to attack some mythical beast.
Full marks for him for trying. It shows how devious the left are.
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June 13, 2008 12:58pm
gd

It seesm to me that election 08 is going to be a 2 horse race except for the Hori separatists who will vote for the Hori party.

Its a old story when the chips are down its the hip pocket that rules and decides the tick in the polling booth.

The greens and the other minors will struggle to get traction as the citizens focus on basic issues.

When the economies going well then citizens feel more relaxed to give support to the fringe parties.

But when they are suffering they want to make sure their vote counts and their voice is heard.

IMHO Wnnie will be toast Anderton and Dunne will struggle and Rodders hope is that the Nats give him a free pass in Epsom

the Greens will join Winnie as also rans
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June 13, 2008 12:58pm
PhilBest

jafapete, read what MY ISSUE IS with Trotter and his enablers. It is the ABSENCE of counterbalance provided by those who run the media concerned, who “revere” Trotter’s opinions. BAAARRRRRRFFFFFFFFFF…………………..

Trotter is one of the most “Fiskable” writers imaginable, but you will never see the sort of takeaparts of Trotter that are done on the blogosphere, within the pages of the CominternAgitpropDomPost. And could you IMAGINE ANY op-ed writer in ANY NZ paper remotely comparable with P J O’Rourke or Cal Thomas or Ann Coulter? The most enjoyable Bob Jones was a goner long ago, along with Agnes-Mary Brooke……..let alone anyone who could be described as remotely as far right as Trotter is to the left……
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June 13, 2008 1:00pm
Lance

The police are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
Allowing ambulance crews into an unsecured shooting area is a friggin roll of the dice, who the fuck will put their hand up and say “on my head be it”? Then watch as some deranged shit head goes on a mass murdering shooting rampage. It does happen, and it has happened in NZ.
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June 13, 2008 1:06pm
gd

Good news Susan Couch has leave to sue Corrections re the RSA case and Bells murders in 2001.

I wont hold my breath but maybe just maybe we might be seeing a new paradigm where governmentt agenices the judicary and the legal profession are finally to be held accountable.

In the past each have protected the others to a obscene level seeking to thwart the citizens at every turn

Their arrogance and contempt has shown no bounds.
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June 13, 2008 1:21pm
Yvette

Today I have received in the mail the contact information for Heather Roy.
The envelope has the Parliamentary crest and nothing else.
The letter has neither Parliamentary crest nor party authorisation but the fridge magnet does have a Parliamentary crest. Since I am not in the Wellington area which Heather Roy ‘services’, I can only assume it is all to promote her profile and is therefore Election advertising – a fact which is supported by the letter telling she has been there since 2002, but has waited until now to tell me in Election year.
But I guess the use and non-use of the crest – a shot each way – is reflected by her photo on both the letter and the magnet, hair parting to the left on one and to the right on the other although both the same photo – yep, a hard to follow ACT.
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June 13, 2008 1:37pm
freethinker

Jafa

It will even more interesting to see how Labour MPs stack up as a fair few are queers or closet queers so they probably don’t care about the abortion issue from a personal perspective.
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June 13, 2008 1:38pm
MacDoctor

Mr. Trotter has the typical black and white view of an ideologue. He seems to think that everyone in the labour party will be pro-choice and everyone in National will be pro-life. What utter crap. There will be many of each persuasion in both parties. The internal debate in parliament would tear the major parties apart. In addition, the general abortion debate will be rancorous and irrational – I draw your attention to the current debates on the issue in Kiwiblog and the Standard. Multiply this by a million.

Much as I dislike Helen Clark’s policies, she is a consummate politician and she knows all this. Expect her to kick this one rapidly to touch (ie a select committee) if it fails to die a natural death.
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June 13, 2008 1:58pm
jafapete

PhilBest,

“The Independent” is hardly left-wing and it was the Editor of that rag, not the “the CominternAgitpropDomPost”, that I was quoting. I don’t know about counterbalance in the DomPost, but since the Independent depends on pandering to the business view of the world, I don’t think it’s an issue there.

You ask, “And could you IMAGINE ANY op-ed writer in ANY NZ paper remotely comparable with P J O’Rourke or Cal Thomas or Ann Coulter?”

Now, I’d have to say, in truth and not just to score a cheap point, that I can’t, because we don’t have any of the intellectual calibre of O’Rouke (who I read myself). If you mean comparable in ideological terms, I would point to my hometown periodical, the Herald. Saturday mornings now feature boring Roughan and 1980s throwback O’Sullivan at the top of the columnists’ page, and we have Garth George to enlighten us (NOT!) during the week as well. Granted, Brian Rudman has very recently been granted a little number on Wednesdays, and there’s the nice but wet novelist guy on Saturdays as well, but the commentary in the Herald would be predominantly to your liking rather than mine, methinks.

Adam, I deliberately didn’t mention you, as you weren’t frothing about Trotter in general like the others, and I had picked that up. But I would say that I didn’t quite read today’s piece the same way that you did — by Taleban I think he meant the Christian Right. Might see him tonight so could check.

And freethinker, I could name a number of closet queers in the National caucuses over the years, but won’t. It’s not what I call “freethinking”.

PS It turns out it wasn’t a hacker on my blog, even though it looked like there was a little smiley facebelow the redbaiter quote. I’m still pondering the significance of this. Has redbaiter departed the mortal coil?
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June 13, 2008 2:07pm
Rex Widerstrom

Frank says:

The shopkeeper shot the robber and reported the matter to the police… Police reaction time 45 minuts? Was this delay and the imposed delay of the ambulance a major contributing cause to the deathof the victim. The arrested criminals are facing a charge of 1st degree murder as the result of the victim’s death!. Available Life saving services were denied the dying victim by the Poolice deeming “standard operational procedures took precedence.

Chap was lucky he didn’t live in Australia, where the Coroner is currently investigating why Police chased a mentally ill man who was “behaving strangely” (peeling the bark off trees and chasing butterflies) to his home, pushed past his father and shot him four times (because by this time the guy was so spooked he was waving a knife. Note the Police here are aimed with tasers and capsicum spray).

Then when a neighbour, a doctor with experience in treating gunshot wounds, offered to help he was repeatedly warned off by Police because they didn’t want him to “contaminate a crime scene”.

Then when the victim’s funeral was held – resulting in a huge public turn-out, including myself – they turned up and handed out parking tickets.

Law enforcement – always on hand when it’s really needed. Not.

gd says:

I wont hold my breath but maybe just maybe we might be seeing a new paradigm where governmentt agenices the judicary and the legal profession are finally to be held accountable.

No, don’t hold your breath gd. I kinda like you and one funeral a year is enough for me thanks.
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June 13, 2008 2:46pm
PaulL

MacDoctor, agree that the parties will split. Labour probably a bit more in favour, National probably a bit less. But the Muslim joker in Labour, for example, wouldn’t be likely to be voting in favour of abortion.

I don’t think that pushing to select committee will help. If it is going to be decided after the election, and it is going to be decided by conscience vote, then every MP must be scrutinised to determine what the likely outcome will be. A good many people in NZ care about this far more than they care about tax cuts, about WFF, about our economic performance, our schools or our health system. In short, as long as the issue is not properly put to bed it will drive the votes of a large chunk of the population.

And I don’t believe that Helen will take it off the table. Ugly and painful though it may be, the reality is that if this is a live issue during the election then it will be too Labour’s benefit. As you say, Helen is an astute politician, she will do what she needs to do. The problem here is that Labour is at 30% or so in the polls, National at 55% or so. Even if the population are roughly 50/50 in terms of their beliefs, that would mean that a bunch of people move from National to Labour. I suspect the population are more like 70/30 in favour of the status quo, so that makes it even worse for National.

As I said earlier, National need to find a way to take this off the agenda, and to do it very very quickly. Anything else is going to cost an awful lot.
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June 13, 2008 2:50pm
big bruv

I would not be worried about the words of Comrade Trotter swaying voters, the public have turned away from his (and this governments) particular brand of corrupt socialism.
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June 13, 2008 2:59pm
JSF2008

Wellington City dog control is run by idiots who dont seem to run or have any records or files. LOVED LINLEY BONIFACES article in the Evening POST about the halfwits . I experianced the communcation skills of these idiots (dog control) and i understand why our rates are so high .
ps i posted my tale on the NZAgility webb site and might send the post to Linley( spoke to the dompost about the unproffesional staff the city council employs (they are a joke) 🙁
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June 13, 2008 3:09pm
PhilBest

“jafapete”, my difficulty even with the “Herald” in its token “balance” of op-ed writers, is exactly what you say. BORING, BORING, BORING. Not a chance of a remotely stimulating and entertaining “conservative” or libertarian making it into any media in NZ. Nice of you to be so candid, and nice that you, too, read P J O’Rourke. There is actually hope for you………..
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June 13, 2008 3:40pm
Lee C

He may have (ahem) ‘shuffled off ‘, not ‘departed’.
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June 13, 2008 3:40pm
side show bob

PaulL and MacDoctor I think you should have more faith in the people. Those that bother to read Trotter know full well what his view of the world is and where he comes from. Trotter is trying to scare the horses but the horses have become well trained over the years and I think it will take a lot more flag waving from this fool before the horses bolt.
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June 13, 2008 3:41pm
gd

I see David Collins is looking to have Vincent Semier imprisoned indefinety Now for those who dont know Vince is the American guy whose got up the nose of Michael Stiassny and published some stuff on his website and put up some billboards.

Stiassny is well know for threatening litigation to anyone who even looks at even sideways.

But hell its OTT for his mate Dave to want to lock up Vince and throw away the key when even mass murders dont get treatment.

Mind you the old Not what you know but who you know is alive and kicking in our highly transperant NOT little world of NZ
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June 13, 2008 3:45pm
llew

Wellington City dog control is run by idiots who dont seem to run or have any records or files.

Just to be contrary, I’ve had excellent dealings (as a dog owner) with WCC dog control & rangers. Not to say that I don’t think there are some things they could do a LOT better (like fenced dog exercise areas in most suburbs – I was asked recently why I walk my dog in the Botanic Gardens & not an official dog area – answer simple – Bot gardens a minute’s walk down the road, nearest exercise area a 15 minute drive.

Is Boniface’s article online?

Found it http://www.stuff.co.nz/4577418a1861.html
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June 13, 2008 3:50pm
big bruv

Bliss!

This is like 84 all over again

“Sir Bob Jones considers flouting EFA
13/06/2008 15:15:06

Wellington property tycoon Sir Bob Jones says he has had a “gutsful” of the Electoral Finance Act and he is thinking of testing it with an ad campaign against the Government.

Sir Bob says robust political debate is now being stifled in this country and he has had enough.

“I’m so overwhelmingly shocked that I should live to see such legislation in New Zealand. I mean, whatever happened to the free joyous participation in the political process.”

Sir Bob says he has not voted National since 1981, but he will be this time simply to punish the Government for the EFA. He says elections used to be fun but everyone is now too scared to participate.

“This is the most despicable thing I think I have seen in my lifetime in this country, I really do, certainly by any Government . . . this overwhelms me. I cannot believe it happened.”

He is considering an anti-Government ad campaign to “flagrantly break the law and have them on”.

Clark is fucked, it matters not if you like Jones he has a great feel for the mood of the people, the similarities between Clark and Muldoon are scary.
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June 13, 2008 4:07pm
llew

OK – I also read WCCs rebuttal from today’s paper. JSF2008, later this year the Dog Control policy will be revised, we’ll get a say. A few years ago they did thuis & I made a submission to have Magpie Lawn designated an official area over certain hours of the day (early morning & evening), the Lawn is generally used as a mulch processing area by the gardeners, it’s boggy & regularly churned by tractor tracks.

During summer, it is frequented by picnickers, but it’s half a km from toilet facilites, yet the council (despite sounding sympathetic) decided that to use Magpie Lawn for dogs, even in unsociable hours, would deny any Bot Garden visitors, the chance to picnic in peace.

Cr Sue Piper told me (off the record) that she was concerned that picnickers would have nowhere to go – seeing as just about anywhere else in the gardens would be nicer for a picnic – the Dell, the Soundshell, the PICNIC tables near the playground… I asked her is she’d ever actually visited the Gardens.

The proposal was denied – there were 8 objections & some 250 submissions in favour. Go figure.

A few years ago, dog rangers began turning up to catch dog owners letting their dogs free, I had a very pleasant chat with one of them (who was abused quite unfairly by another dog owner) he told me they only visited the Bot Gardens if gardeners complained about faeces everywhere.

Moral: Pick up the poo & run free.
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June 13, 2008 4:07pm
JSF2008

llew are you an (approved dog owner ) im an (approved dog owner) owning three agilty dogs one micro chipped and one a speyed bitch .All my dogs are trained and i feel are good examples of the breed
llew the key word to these idiots is( AMERICAN)??????? pitball or cockerspaniel the halfwits dont know the differance ,,,,opps an American cocker is the LADY in (lady and the tramp)disney long ears , COLLECTS LOTS OF MONEY FOR SPCA
ps llew i got pissed when a idiot said after 9 years he couldnd find records that why was i an apprroved owner, i loved hassling the mayors office ,in still an approved dog owner
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June 13, 2008 4:15pm
Buggerlugs

yeh I’m with Bob Jones. I just heard Geoff Leland acting as apologist for Labour on Jim Mora’s pissweak excuse for radio and one of Mora’s panel did ask whether Leland needed to be noting his financial agent’s address as he sounded like a party political broadcast…National Radio doesn’t deserve my taxes when it’s got a commie as political editor (yes, he is/was) a Labour press release regurgitator for a newsroom and a boom box for Government love between 1-5pm…
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June 13, 2008 4:46pm
Lindsay Addie

Buggerlugs,

I’m not enough of a masochist to ever listen to Mora in the afternoons. Your comments on National Radio are right on the money.
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June 13, 2008 4:47pm
Buggerlugs

To be honest Lindsay I don’t have a lot of time for the advertising rubbish bin that is Newstalk, Radio Live is populated by loonies, and Radio Sport – well, ’nuff said. So it leaves me with Jim (who appears to be a nice bloke, so I blame his producer(s) who are clearly so far left they’re about to fall off their flat earth)
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June 13, 2008 5:34pm
dad4justice

On a black Friday the supreme court gives the right to SUE corrections, What a precedent, no way not in corrupt NZ, but watch crown law strike it fearing an avalanche of claims. Lawyers lips are drooling with anticipation and greed.
Where do I start .Oh that’s right CYFS, Kangaroo Court and the blue brotherhood keystone cops. When is the innocence project to commence? Funk the election SUE the bastards, judges, cops, PM’s, Attorney General’s etc…etc,,,
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June 13, 2008 6:22pm
side show bob

D4J, Wilson, Dear Leader and assorted socialist power mongers must feel rather betrayed today, I though the supreme court was their gift of justice and wisdom to the country. Fancy the court turning on those that gave it life, how fitting almost poetic justice. Whats the bet Dear Leader starts to talk about the good old days of the privy council. Anyhow well done to the supreme court there is still some hope for this place yet.
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June 13, 2008 7:01pm
dad4justice

I always hoped the Dame might turn on Miss Klark and Wilson who struck out the privy council at a midnight session in the pit of lies. I hope to Sue everybody and anybody. The socialist scum are going to be skinned alive in court !!
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June 13, 2008 7:07pm
side show bob

You go for it D4J!!!
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June 13, 2008 8:14pm
toad

Now, dare I make a serious comment on this thread, especially given recent posts?

But just noticed the Kiwiblog poll “Do you have a Freeview Box”.

Now, why would I want one? I subscribe to Sky.

Yes, this Green, who has been labeled a commie, a socialist, a pinko, a watermelon, or whatever by various suspects on this blog, doesn’t give a shit about Freeview. If I want television channels, I’m happy to pay for access to them.

Stick that one up some orifice of yours’ side show bob and d4j! Kinda destroys your prejudices, eh?
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June 13, 2008 8:26pm
Buggerlugs

Good on ya, toad. But I think d4j has enough up his already.
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June 13, 2008 9:42pm
dad4justice

Good on ya lugs as your buggered orifices are all toad full. What a wally .
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June 13, 2008 9:56pm
Buggerlugs

Good on ya Dad. Best check there’s been no breaches of the perimeter tinfoil before you go to bed…
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June 14, 2008 12:04am
Duxton

PaulL: “Somebody better jump on this very quickly. We need legislation to fix this before the election, or a very clear statement from the National party that this will not in fact be a conscience vote, and some drafted legislation that is visible before the election, that National commit to support through parliament.”

National should also commit to making the new law, and the anti-smacking law, subjects of binding mid-term referenda.
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June 14, 2008 8:48am
Lee C

toad your standards of language have really taken a nosedive since you started posting on kiwiblog. YOu used to be well-researched, polite and patient, now it’s:

“Stick that one up some orifice of yours’ side show bob and d4j!”

It’s not bad for a start, but I suggest lose the ‘one’ , and ‘some’ and replace ‘orifice’ with something a little more – shall we say – ‘Anglo-Saxon’. (hint – ‘anal’ or anything pertaining to it really inflames D4J but ‘orifice’ just excites him)

But all in all not a bad attempt.

Welcome to the dark side.
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June 14, 2008 3:07pm
Rex Widerstrom

Amongst other… ahem… more colourful comments, d4j asked:

When is the innocence project to commence?

When indeed? Anyone heard anything? I was glad to hear of it starting but being embedded deep within academia rather than out in the real world as they often are overseas, is anything going to actually happen (other than a bunch of PhD students chasing grants, that is)?
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June 14, 2008 10:54pm
goodgod

Speaking of colourful comments, I’ve just discovered the demerits page. What can I say? Some of the most intelligent pleasent commenters I’ve read here are listed as abusive and disruptive. Clearly I don’t read every single comment here. I’m sure there’s a lesson in that for all of us, but it might also be just a reflection of the mood of a moderator on any given day.

Whatever it is, I’m going to forget that such a page even exists.
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