General Debate 30 July 2010

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Viking2

I should be at work. But I’m wasting time entertaining you guys.
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July 30, 2010 8:07am
Viking2

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/news-cartoons/news/article.cfm?c_id=500814&objectid=10662218
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July 30, 2010 8:08am
Murray

Gonna need more popcorn for the fireworks while Chris Carters head explodes.

That there is some funny shit.
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July 30, 2010 8:17am
Jibbering Gibbon

The Catalans move to ban bullfighting in their territory. Seems odd. And regretable from my point of view. I’d like to see fight in Spain before I die. It think the ban has as much chance of gaining popular support as a NZ government waking up one morning and banning rugby. Interesting to see too, that media outlets that usually take a (liberal, progressive, limp?) line on most things are now calling it art and using bloody metaphors, as if they were ever in favour of it.
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July 30, 2010 8:21am
kaya

From a late post the other night, could they be selling more gold than actually exists? “But here’s your certificate of proof of ownership!”

The LBMA joins the gold squeeze cover-up”

http://www.gata.org/node/8858
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July 30, 2010 8:24am
Monty

On the back of this Carter-gate Labour will struggle to get any funding for their 2011 campaign (who will back a lame horse with a fat over weight jockey).

The big question isnow about how low will Labour’s polling go – could this give rise to Winston Peters as disaffected Labour Voters try and find a home?
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July 30, 2010 8:34am
starboard

I see another enquiry underway re the dead baby…” we are going to look into…..blah blah…”..ppffft, then what…?
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July 30, 2010 8:38am
Murray

We should give Maori more money because so many of them are in prison starbord, the UN sock puppet said so. All their problems were made by other people. Now go to your room and feel bad about it!
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July 30, 2010 8:46am
jcuknz

All you gungho “Imans under the bed” types should read this …
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/29/opinion/29kristof.html?th&emc=th
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July 30, 2010 8:59am
Inventory2

Have your say in the democratic process, and vote in Keeping Stock’s Phil Goff poll

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/07/phil-goff-poll.html
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July 30, 2010 9:11am
stephen

…as much chance of gaining popular support as a NZ government waking up one morning and banning rugby.

None of the participants in rugby are exactly innocent. Bulls more so.
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July 30, 2010 9:13am
Murray

Move to Damascus juknz, do everyone a favor.
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July 30, 2010 9:18am
Jibbering Gibbon

Bulls more so.

The bulls aren’t innocent, they’re animals. Given half the chance they’ll kill the matador, though probably less capable now than in the golden years of bull breeding. By all accounts, bulls learn fast in the ring. By end of fight if they aren’t broken, the final dive over the horns to kill with the sword is a suicide jump. And if the bull can’t be killed by the matador, it is usually killed anyway since it’s useless for fighting from that point on – got too smart and dangerous. Sometimes, if the bull is deemed to have performed nobly they’ll send it to a quiet undisturbed retirement. So there is no cuddly innocence to the bulls. Just a few hundred well bred kilos of gradually increasing deadly intelligence.
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July 30, 2010 9:21am
hj

Lloyd’s adds its voice to dire ‘peak oil’ warnings

Business underestimating catastrophic consequences of declining oil, says Lloyd’s of London/Chatham House report
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“The report the world is heading for a global oil supply crunch and high prices owing to insufficient investment in oil production plus a rebound in global demand following recession. It repeats warning from Professor Paul Stevens, a former economist from Dundee University, at an earlier Chatham House conference that lack of oil by 2013 could force the price of crude above $200 (£130) a barrel.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/11/peak-oil-energy-disruption
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July 30, 2010 9:32am
david

Another side to the Chris Carter imbroglio.

Phil-in said that you only get one chance, “there is no second chance” he said.
What was Labour’s position on the 3-strikes bill again?
What is Labour’s attitude towards an employer’s right to fire?

Did Phil give Chris 1 verbal and 2 written warnings?
Did Chris have the opportunity to respond to the charges against him?
Did he have the chance to bring a “support person” or whanau with him?
Was he advised in writing of the decision to sack him?
Has he had a chance to respond?

Fertile ground for an employment dispute one would think.
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July 30, 2010 9:34am
Pete George

Except that Phil doesn’t employ Carter, we the people employ him. And the only chance of dismissal may be if they the people of Te Atatu decide to fire him next year. Unless he fully burns himself out before that.
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July 30, 2010 9:43am
hj

Attn Green party:

“And while the world is gradually moving to new kinds of clean energy technologies the insurance market warns that there could be shortages of earth metals and other raw materials needed to help them thrive.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/11/peak-oil-energy-disruption
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July 30, 2010 9:45am
Manolo

In the United States another corrpt Obama supporter heads for the gallows:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100729/ap_on_go_co/us_rangel_ethics;_ylt=AmSHkpAqWcF_51Lkl3YtLGGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNnNGJpaTA4BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNzI5L3VzX3JhbmdlbF9ldGhpY3MEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMyBHBvcwM4BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNwYW5lbGhpdHNyYW4-
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July 30, 2010 9:46am
Murray

The people employ him?

Oh well in that case clear out your dest Carter, you’re fired for thoughing above and beyond the call of duty.

And if we’re looking for him “burning out”… did you not notice the last 24 hours or what Pete. His bloody head expladed in a shower of poopie man.
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July 30, 2010 9:57am
jcuknz

Are you going to pay for my ticket Murray? It won’t help you becuase I’m sure I can blog from there as easilly as where I am 🙂
It likely will be warmer too.
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July 30, 2010 10:18am
david

Yeah Pete, it was a bit tongue-in-cheek but I was trying in my own way to highlight the union/left predisposition with “process” and “fairness” and “good faith” until it comes to their own actions. Hypocrites – yes.
Too subtle for you?
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July 30, 2010 10:21am
RightNow

I thought jcuknz’s link was well worth a read Murray. The cost of Iraq and Afghanistan has been enormous, and for what?

“In the presidential campaign, Mr. Obama promised to invest in a global education fund. Since then, he seems to have forgotten the idea — even though he is spending enough every five weeks in Afghanistan to ensure that practically every child on our planet gets a primary education.”

Really jcuknz is pointing out Obama is just another Bush. That despite all the rhetoric he’s still in the pocket of big business.
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July 30, 2010 10:51am
MikeNZ

Starboard
I see another enquiry underway re the dead baby…” we are going to look into…..blah blah…”..ppffft, then what…?

Yeah but they knew that when they wrote and voted on the bill.
What part of 80% + didn’t they understand?

Only ONE party said this is Bullshit, you can’t do this to ordinary parents.
The ACT Party

Vote your PARTY VOTE 2 ACT next time.
Give John Key and National a smack at the election and rub it in Labour’s face too.
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July 30, 2010 10:54am
Pete George

And if we’re looking for him “burning out”… did you not notice the last 24 hours or what Pete.

There were reports of him heading to the service station with a petrol can this morning.
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July 30, 2010 10:57am
MikeNZ

I’m so glad that some MSM do print all sides to the truth at times. Now we just need them to take the next step and wean them off of their international benefits and then we’ll see them behave decently.

But I don’t see that happening too soon.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703940904575395022140188274.html

This attitude exposes the dishonesty of the whole flotilla exercise. Whether it is from Turkey, Ireland or Cyprus, those that participate in these flotillas reek of hypocrisy. There are currently 100 armed conflicts and dozens of territorial disputes around the world. There have been millions of people killed and hundreds of millions live in abject poverty without access to basic staples. And yet hundreds of high-minded “humanitarian activists” are spending millions of dollars to reach Gaza and hand money to Hamas that will never reach the innocent civilians of Gaza.

This is the same Gaza that just opened a sparkling new shopping mall that would not look out of place in any capital in Europe. Gaza, where a new Olympic-sized swimming pool was recently inaugurated and five-star hotels and restaurants offer luxurious fare.

Markets brimming with all manner of foods dot the landscape of Gaza, where Lauren Booth, journalist and “human rights activist,” was pictured buying chocolate and luxurious items from a well-stocked supermarket before stating with a straight face that the “situation in Gaza is a humanitarian crisis on the scale of Darfur.”
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July 30, 2010 11:05am
RKBee

If there is a Leadership coup within the Labour ranks before the election… Cunliffe will have no choice but to support the Goff/King element of the party… his only chance of becoming Leader…

Goff Cunliffe both know Labour won’t win the election under Goff or anyone else for that matter… the problem for Cunliffe is he thinks he’s got the job on a plate after the election.

It’s people like Carter who get thrown out or disagree with the party that brought them in to parliament that give Independents a bad name… who stand in an electorate for the right reasons .. without a party as a true Independent.
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July 30, 2010 11:14am
MikeNZ

good point RK
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July 30, 2010 11:15am
Jack5

New topic for a mo..

The door opens further to Laws if he wants to lead NZ First…

Former National PM Jenny Shipley linked to a rather tatty looking bid for Chinese investment in NZ dairy industry (see link below).

What is it with National and China? Former National MPs founded the immigration wave that is ethnically re-engineering NZ, which targets Chinese becoming a quarter of the population. Kee comes back from China agog.

All without debate, choice, vote of current citizens.

If you could wind the clock back 170 years and changed the race, National MPs would have been on the beaches trading away fellow tribes folks’ land for tobacco, rum, and muskets.

The Shipley link:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10662262
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July 30, 2010 11:28am
Pete George

Former National MPs founded the immigration wave that is ethnically re-engineering NZ, which targets Chinese becoming a quarter of the population.

Really? Maybe that’s happening in Auckland, but not nearly so much in New Zealand.
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July 30, 2010 11:35am
Redbaiter

Ping Stuart Mackey

Good discussion on terms to describe leftists, liberals, Progressives etc. Why not just settle for ‘control freaks’?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2561099/posts
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July 30, 2010 11:41am
nickb

The door opens further to Laws if he wants to lead NZ First…

With you as his deputy, by the tone of your post…
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July 30, 2010 11:43am
hj

“What is it with National and China? Former National MPs founded the immigration wave that is ethnically re-engineering NZ, which targets Chinese becoming a quarter of the population. Kee comes back from China agog. ”
…..
Labour’s Third World Solution

Ireland’s economic miracle was driven by Germany. Under Labour, ours is being gifted by Communist China. The Germans sent money, the Chinese are sending people.
http://nbr.infometrics.co.nz/labour-s-third-world-solution_409.html

PS I’m not saying they’re bad people (although the ones we see on Border Security aren’t so hot) but I think it is wrong to flood the country just to keep the building industry on a roll = ponzi scheme.
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July 30, 2010 12:00pm
jcuknz

I wasn’t pointing out anything except likely an alternative view to the situation in Afgahnistan and Iraq. A possible alternative path to follow though for America probably extremely hazardous with the de-mobed troops and workers and bosses at war material factorys being made redundant and joining the large pool of unemployed currently in the States. Ideas often sound nice until you work through the likely consequences. If America, like Britain before her, had not endeavoured to control the world it is quite likely that 9/11 would not have occured. It makes one wonder how long before China or India will suffer some similar event as they rise to influence the world ecconomy and life.

Education is a long term approach and humans with their short life span are impatient so they use guns instead.
The world is getting too crowded for selfish individualism to be satisfactory, we have to coperate with each other.
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July 30, 2010 12:21pm
Jack5

Re hj’s 12pm

Keeping the economy growing by immigration as at present is a ponzi scheme, agreed. Sooner or later the balance of payments imbalance will choke the immigration by so lowering the living standard that NZ will be an unappealing destination.

However, we certainly don’t have an economic miracle in NZ, and neither does Ireland now.

Immigration can boot a country along, but that depends on types of migrants, their culture and motivation, and what they bring. Think of Israel with its attraction of Russian Jews and Russians claiming to be Jews. These folk have included a huge number of science, engineering, and maths graduates and have created a world-class technology sector in Israel.

In NZ, there are many newcomers we are lucky to have. But there also seem to be greenie stirrers among the many who come here for the big-weekend lifestyle. Few swell our largely agriculture-horticulture-fishing based export sector. Of the businesses, well, how many dairies and corner liquor stores and taxi drivers can Auckland support?

Multicultural Auckland is headed towards 40 per cent of the national population. On an equivalent basis that would mean a New York with a population of population of 124 million, or Beijing with a population of 532 million, or Tokyo with 50 million. Auckland will have immense political power when Rodney Hide completes assembling it. The rest of us will be like peasants in the Central American republics dominated by disproportionately large, non-exporting main cities.

What may save NZ from a Central American-type fate is Australia. Immigration is a big issue in its election and with hints of one border being demanded for NZ and Australia, we will either fall into line with Australian immigration policy or NZ’ers will lose easy entry to Australia. That would cause a political backlash in NZ with the political elite feeling the anger of ordinary NZers.
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July 30, 2010 12:27pm
stephen

So there is no cuddly innocence to the bulls. Just a few hundred well bred kilos of gradually increasing deadly intelligence.

It was forced to be in the bullring, doesn’t know why it’s there, that it’s going to die from multiple stab wounds soon or what the rules are – as opposed to willing rugby players who all have a very good idea what a rugby game involves. Under these circumstances i’d say it’s a lot easier to present a case for banning bullfighting there as opposed to rugby here.
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July 30, 2010 12:30pm
jcuknz

Is anybody else having dificulty of accessing The Standard this morning/noon?
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July 30, 2010 12:30pm
Jack5

Re nickb at 11.43….

Sorry Nick, I’ve never voted NZ First. Nor do I conclude from your post’s tone that you invariably vote National.

I like many parts of National’s platform, but am puzzled why NZ has never had debate or voting on immigration policy, which is surely one of the most important aspects of a country.

Why do National, and in its footsteps, Labour, feel they can do whatever they wish in immigration without putting it to the electorate in their manifestos?
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July 30, 2010 12:36pm
Pete George

Is anybody else having dificulty of accessing The Standard this morning/noon?

Try http://www.thestandard.org.nz/ – .co.nz doesn’t load.
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July 30, 2010 12:40pm
Redbaiter

I was able to access it quite easily, just to check the news that they were indulging in another paranoid attack on Sarah Palin. They were, and I demolished it on Crusader Rabbit.

The Lowest Standard is just an echo chamber for Marxist propaganda. Useless.
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July 30, 2010 2:43pm
kowtow

Jibbering gibbon

The Catalan bullfighting thing is quite interesting. It’s covered well on European news sites.
The vote to ban was quite close.
The Catalans are on the lookout for independence from Spain,they can’t get it. This is a gesture towards Spain as much as anything.
Don’t worry you’ll get your bull fight if you go to Madrid where it is now protected as an artform.
There are deep divisions in Spain going back many years.
ole
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July 30, 2010 2:46pm
kaya

Jack5 – re the Nats and China. There is a need for urgent legislation to stop NZ land being sold to non New Zealand citizens. Agriculture is a cornerstone and driver of this country’s economy. If ownership moves overseas so will the profits. Insanity.
This isn’t xenophobia, it’s common sense. The alternative is that we will be tenants in our own country. Not a good thought.
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July 30, 2010 2:51pm
kaya

Excellent piece by Ron Paul.

“Dangerous Allies, Big Business and Big Government”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc9J4JNfLKU
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July 30, 2010 2:56pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

Redbaiter (10,707) Says:

July 30th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I was able to access it quite easily, just to check the news that they were indulging in another paranoid attack on Sarah Palin. They were, and I demolished it on Crusader Rabbit.

Don’t you mean you refudiated it? Or hasn’t Sarah “I’m a dead fish swimming” Palin sent you the latest lexicon yet?
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July 30, 2010 3:07pm
RightNow

RB, this article paints a different picture to the fantasy that exists at the stranded:
http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Orange-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m6d9-An-Obama-endorsement-is-a-kiss-of-deathSarah-Palin-support-is-like-an-angel-in-your-pocket

The funny thing is that Obama endorsements are considered the kiss of death for democrats:
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/06/obama-effect.html
http://lexingtonblog.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/democratic-candidates-finding-obama-endorsement-kiss-of-death/
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July 30, 2010 3:10pm
Redbaiter

“Don’t you mean you refudiated”

If I gave half a fuck about what you post here arsehole, I might provide a list of a few hundred Obama gaffes, but its just too boring a game to play, especially with a moron like you.
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July 30, 2010 3:10pm
Redbaiter

“RB, this article paints a different picture to the fantasy that exists at the stranded”

Yep, fantasies are all they ever have. Completely detached from reality, they’re all nuts. Dangerously insane totalitarian fascists.
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July 30, 2010 3:12pm
kaya

Nice to see the courts being tough on fraud, this fella got 5 years for 15k worth of WFF fraud.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10662388

However there seems to be a bit of disparity between Joe Public and government employees. Mary Ann Thompson got the proverbial wet bus ticket and then there is this list of pathetic sentences on public service employees guilty of much worse than this character did.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=151551

Makes you wonder.
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July 30, 2010 3:14pm
Pete George

I demolished it on Crusader Rabbit.

Why bother saying that here, unless you want to demolish it here as well? CR doesn’t welcome anyone but un-Conservatives.

The proof will be in the midterms. Obama disillusionment will obviously be a significant factor, it usually is for incumbents – especially when the economy is struggling.

Palin will be a double edge sword. Have to wait and see which edge turns out to be the sharpest.
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July 30, 2010 3:36pm
Redbaiter

“Palin will be a double edge sword.”

Journolist crap.
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July 30, 2010 3:39pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

Redbaiter (10,710) Says:

July 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
“Don’t you mean you refudiated”

If I gave half a fuck …

Where would you get half a fuck? your only sex is with yourself and I hear your left hand is suing for divorce.
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July 30, 2010 3:45pm
Pete George

Does an Endorsement From Sarah Palin Help Republican Candidates?

Are endorsements from Palin necessarily a blessing for their recipients, or might they be a curse in disguise? As recently noted, “While her favorability ratings are significantly higher among Republicans than all the other 2012 GOP hopefuls, her negative ratings among Americans overall are also significantly higher than those of her GOP rivals.”

So in a Republican primary, or an overwhelmingly Republican state, a Palin endorsement may help. But in the general election in a moderate state, the opposite could hold.

It doesn’t take much to understand this possibility, unless all one does is race to copy/paste the conspiracy of the week slogan.
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July 30, 2010 3:49pm
Jack5

Bernard Hickey, the money columnist in the NZ Hooerald, today makes interesting points about NZ capital markets weaknesses that may be helping cause the sale of our assets abroad.

I would look at fund managers and financial advisers who direct money into those funds. It began with the privatisation of the united savings banks (except for TSB). The payout to communities, placed in community trusts, was invested overseas. The trend continued with our state super and Kiwisaver funds pouring overseas.

IMHO, we need most if not all of our savings to develop our country.

The trading banks and others pipelining foreign funds into NZ haven’t helped, given the iron outcome of supply and demand. Nor has the overly high kiwi dollar thanks to the Reserve Bank’s long-standinh high interest rate policy. Surely rational fund managers, knowing the high kiwi can’t last, export savings to benefit from the capital gain when the kiwi dollar inevitably falls.

Hickey and several others have pointed out the weakness of our capital markets.

However, could the nub of the problem be that NZ is too small to be a viable economic entity? IMHO we should be part of Australia. If we want to remain independent we should accept the price — a little lower standard of living. Would being Australian citizens be worse than being tenant citizens of an NZ owned by foreigners?`

However, I disagree with Hickey’s following statement in his column about immigration. Why shouldn’t we discuss immigration policy? It’s one of the most important strategies of a country. I hope immigration policies are on the agenda in the next general election campaign, with or without a resuscitated NZ First. If we’re not allowed to talk about the immigration policies our politicians impose, perhaps we would be better off as citizens of Australia, where the politicians seem never to stop pitching immigration policies to the electorate.

Hickey on immigration:

The last thing New Zealand needs is another damaging debate about migration and race in an election campaign. Or at any time.

His column:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10662320
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July 30, 2010 3:49pm
Redbaiter

“CR doesn’t welcome anyone but un-Conservatives.”

We sure as hell don’t need idiocies such as the above on the site.

Unlike most left wing sites, who claim to be for open debate but never are, we at Crusader Rabbit make it clear we don’t provide space for the likes of idiots like you and the cheat and coward Mapplethorpe (for two good examples). There’s plenty of space out there already for brain damaged propagandising totalitarian fascists.
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July 30, 2010 3:49pm
RightNow

“Call them racist, we’ve got nothing else!”

The former chairman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, Clinton appointee Mary Francis Berry, casually admitted in a recent interview with Politico that Democrats are knowingly falsely accusing the Tea Party movement of racism…to avoid talking about their own disastrous policies.
From the interview:
“Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one’s opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness.”

http://www.examiner.com/x-35976-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m7d29-Black-leader-admits-Democrats-exploiting-race-to-change-the-subject
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July 30, 2010 3:52pm
Redbaiter

“It doesn’t take much to understand this possibility,”

Newsweek were Journolisters. They’ve got nothing to say worth gnat shit.
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July 30, 2010 3:52pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

redbaiter – Unlike most blog sites, left and right, that are open for debate, we at Crusader Rabbit prefer the echo chamber of our ilk. Dissent frightens us and makes us wuwwy we might be wong not white.

There – fixed it for you.
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July 30, 2010 3:57pm
Pete George

Not surprised about that RightNow, standard sort of political tactics across the board in the US. A supposedly great Christian nation lies and deceives as much as it takes to try and claim power.
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July 30, 2010 4:04pm
Redbaiter

“fixed it for you”

Yep, brought racism into it, all you ever have and the same tired old strategy that has been worn out for so long its only cave dwelling Stalinist retards like you who don’t know that its well past its use by date.
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July 30, 2010 4:14pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

cave dwelling Stalinist retards

Is that the best you’ve got?
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July 30, 2010 4:17pm
Redbaiter

Facts and truth to the left are like a wooden stake through the heart of a vampire.
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July 30, 2010 4:18pm
Paul G. Buchanan

Jack5: For a comparative look at immigration policy that addresses the thorny subject of immigrant’s race, check this out: http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2010/07/the-racial-basis-of-a-small-se-asian-state/
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July 30, 2010 4:21pm
Redbaiter

Hey Paul, nice of you to turn up. Been wanting to ask you a question.

Heard anything of a NZ Journolist?

I asked Brian Edwards the other day, and although he was happy to discuss a few other issues, he refused to answer this query. Made me doubly suspicious.

I guess your own impeccable honesty in respect of political commentary would make it unlikely that you’re part of such a list. Just thought you may know if one existed in this country.
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July 30, 2010 4:24pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

Redbaiter (10,714) Says:

July 30th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Facts and truth to the left are like a wooden stake through the heart of a vampire.

that’s the thing with the Right – still believe in myths and fairytales, like vampires, adam and eve riding dinosaurs and a wise old god in the heavens.

Here, on the Left, we deal in that which can be observed and measured, that which can be proven and that which is falsifiable. Thr Right just keeping repeating the same old falsehoods in the hope that repetition will equal belief among their brain dead followers.
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July 30, 2010 4:26pm
Banana Llama

Jack5.

I think at the very least we need a common market with Australia with the intention of moving towards a single market at some point in the future, i don’t know how much progress we have made in regards towards a common market though and why would Australia be willing to do us a favor like that?
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July 30, 2010 4:27pm
RightNow

Spoken like a true white-hating, terrorist apologist, Mapplethorpe. How’s life at your mum’s house? At least you don’t have to wash your own Che Guevara T-shirt.
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July 30, 2010 4:29pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

RightNow (1,073) Says:

July 30th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Spoken like a true white-hating, terrorist apologist, Mapplethorpe. How’s life at your mum’s house? At least you don’t have to wash your own Che Guevara T-shirt.

Classic example of the Right – unable to mount an argument, just ad hom. Try a bit harder or you’ll show yourself too thick to be in the Tea Party.
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July 30, 2010 4:32pm
Redbaiter

“unable to mount an argument”

Your biggest mistake is to think you’re worth one.
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July 30, 2010 4:38pm
Nookin

“Here, on the Left, we deal in that which can be observed and measured, that which can be proven and that which is falsifiable.”

It seems to me that a considerable amount of the time and indeed money has been spent by the left on what it can observe (speed limits and rugby games) measured (travelling expenses, porno movies, restaurant bills) proven (H Fee? ) or falsified (artworks)
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July 30, 2010 4:40pm
Pete George

Very clever and funny Nookin.
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July 30, 2010 4:45pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

Redbaiter (10,716) Says:

July 30th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
“unable to mount an argument”

Your biggest mistake is to think you’re worth one.

I am a Man. Hath not a Man eyes? Hath not a Man hands,
organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same
food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases,
heal’d by the same means, warm’d and cool’d by the same winter
and summer, as a Right Wing Arsehole is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If
you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?
And if you wrong us, do we not revenge? If we are like you in the
rest, we will resemble you in that.
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July 30, 2010 4:46pm
RightNow

Oh, you wanted an argument Mapplethorpe? Last time I deigned to bother you ran off to mummy. I thought this time you’d just popped in for the insults.

Time’s up anyway, you’ve had your 5 minutes.
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July 30, 2010 4:47pm
grumpyoldhori

Some immigrants believe that they should have input from where other immigrants come from, no surprise in that.
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July 30, 2010 4:50pm
Paul G. Buchanan

Red: TBH I am not familiar with the term ” NZ journolist.” Is that a typo or a deliberate misspelling that conveys a specific connotation or message? I also do not read Mr. Edwards so am not sure what list he would not talk about. I infer that you have an interest in such a list, whatever it purports to be, but am sorry that I cannot be of assistance to you in that regard.
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July 30, 2010 4:50pm
Pete George

Paul, no one is familiar with the term ” NZ journolist”, RB is trying to find a local conspiracy. Or make one up.

RB, you should ask at places like:
http://www.stuff.co.nz
http://www.nzherald.co.nz
http://www.tvnz.co.nz
http://www.3news.co.nz

They may know, and if not they have people specially trained to uncover and publicise scandals.
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July 30, 2010 4:56pm
Hurf Durf

that’s the thing with the Right – still believe in myths and fairytales,

Like central planning?

Hiya Billy. You can’t seem to keep away from here, can you?
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July 30, 2010 5:13pm
Redbaiter

“is that a typo or a deliberate misspelling that conveys a specific connotation or message?”

Thanks for your courteous response Paul. I’m gobsmacked you apparently do not know anything about “Journolist”, one of the biggest scandals in US media history. You should check it out. You never know, like Pete George, you may be one of its victims-

http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/22/when-mccain-picked-palin-liberal-journalists-coordinated-the-best-line-of-attack/

There’s quite a few stories on it at that site actually. Not much in the mainstream media or left wing blogs, but that’s hardly surprising.
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July 30, 2010 5:15pm
Redbaiter

“They may know, and if not they have people specially trained to uncover and publicise scandals.”

Quite witty for a lamer like you PG. Actually made me guffaw.
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July 30, 2010 5:16pm
Redbaiter

“Time’s up anyway, you’ve had your 5 minutes.”

Just another deranged loon. And in the Labour Party, Carter is by no means an exception.

They’re all as nutty as a fruit cake.
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July 30, 2010 5:22pm
WebWrat

An excellent new blog:
http://emergingcorruption.com/
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July 30, 2010 6:16pm
hj

Stop the Drilling with Green MP David Clendon
Saturday 31 July, 2pm at Opotiki College Hall, Opotiki College, St John’s Street. Come along to this public meeting in Opotiki.
facebook li nk
http://my.greens.org.nz/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=79240&qid=3156125
Join the discussion

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Nz So the word out today about this… its a step in the right direction but is only a partial correction of the divisive legislation that is the Foreshore Act. Its a little bit of wait and see if the replacement legislation will have any protective bite to care for our foreshore / takutaimoana ..
about a month ago
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Tamati things must come to a head sooner rather than later ,why do process of this nature take so long , good things take time i guess nonetheless govt as usual holds all the cards , and that “Public Domain” is just a kind way of saying “Govt Own” we had started to like John Keys right up until the Tuhoe settlement agreements had begun , and now we are abit confused and unsure on his tactics of dealing with issues of this nature ,our trust has completely gone after Gerry Brownlee knowingly went ahead and pursued the drilling of oil on the east coast and whanau-Apanui without consulting iwi , as expected its the waiting game again..
about a month ago
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Trez Agreed, will be a matter of time before our shores and seabeds will be exclusively maori owned,tho we shouldnt have to wait to protect our takutaimoana otherwise will be too late, would we really want to procrastinate on our depleting resources??? .. and as for gerry brownlee he will get his coming and it wont be nice.
about a month ago
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Nz thats it… we start the underground movement on this… spread the word… get the numbers .. and be ready when its time….
about a month ago
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Ruihana Its the Crown Minerals Act which allows the Crown to permit parties to drill for/exploit resources with no consultation. If there is provision within the replacement legislation to restrict the permitting of mineral resources to hapu permission that will be an achievement. Extending the powers of the RMA beyond 12.5nmles would help.
about a month ago
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Maxine Agree with the above comment by Ruihana – there is no common courtesy, consultation with all interested parties when dealing in buisiness as has been proven over the years between Maori and the Crown – that, just is not the western way. There needs to be a push for provision within the replacement legislation and any other for that matter to ensure partnership. We have one partner that operates tacitly and another explicitly with the latter being the dominate strategy – therefore true partnership will never occur – two totally differnt mind sets.
about a month ago
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Ruihana We need our negotiators to be honest & accountable. We have a role in this we can ask our runanga reps what is happening, contact with the hau kainga via email, attending hui, coming home and asking the impact for the ahi ka is immense. Its not good enough to be continually sprung with these developments especially when some of the whakamarama gets lost in translation. Totally support the lighting of the fires on the foreshore was at the Ngutu Awa for the first one might go to Toko for the next.
about 3 weeks ago
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July 30, 2010 6:20pm
jaba

the Carter farce .. Labour are really getting into him by suggesting he has had a mental breakdown or such like. If that was true, don’t you think he should be getting a softly softly approach instead of such a full frontal attack?
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July 30, 2010 6:26pm
RightNow

Anyone else see mickey savage on one news?
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July 30, 2010 6:30pm
RightNow

Police looking for the owner of a 2000 year old glass bangle in Palmerston North:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6417310-the-2000year-old-roman-glass-bangle-of-new-zealand

“The Palmerstone North police are foxed – they are stuck with a bangle which is reportedly 2000-years old. It is believed to be a Roman glass bangle – does that mean people in those days knew how to make glass?”

Either that or it was sent back in time. Unless aliens did it.
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July 30, 2010 6:40pm
Pete George

How unbiased do you think Emerging Corruption will be WebWrat?

What is Emerging Corruption?

The staff of Emerging Corruption will use investigative journalism to ferret out corruption to educate, inform and empower the public.

Sounds ok, but you would have to be a bit suspicious of it when you see the categories:
* Corruption * Democrats * Justice * Money * Obama * Politics

Project Vote leads with Journolist, then Acorn.

Property Rights leads with:
There are ten planks in the Communist Manifesto and it will come as no surprise to anyone to discover that they are being implemented by the Obama administration

Uncategorized leads with Talk of Impeachment (Obama of course)

I can see why webwrats might like it.
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July 30, 2010 6:44pm
Hurf Durf

mickysavage is identikit Labtard. He could be Jordan Carter, Jacinda Ardern, Clare Curran or Trevor Mallard, and I wouldn’t be surprised when I learn which one it is.
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July 30, 2010 6:53pm
Steve

Phark.

Maori Luggage Week lasts until Sunday. That means I will not be able to understand anything from the Media until Monday.

Why was Te Karere not in English just to balance things?
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July 30, 2010 6:54pm
Hurf Durf

Steve: MLW has done the impossible and made weather forecasts even more useless than they normally are.
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July 30, 2010 6:58pm
WebWrat

“The staff of Emerging Corruption will use investigative journalism to ferret out corruption to educate, inform and empower the public.”

I find that statement quite heartening Pete, how about you?

“* Corruption * Democrats * Justice * Money * Obama * Politics”

Where else would you expect to see emerging corruption?

“Project Vote leads with Journolist, then Acorn.”

Approve of the journOlist and Acorn do you?

” Property Rights leads with:
There are ten planks in the Communist Manifesto and it will come as no surprise to anyone to discover that they are being implemented by the Obama administration ”

That has been obvious for some time.

“Uncategorized leads with Talk of Impeachment (Obama of course)”

In due course a very large number of Americans will be calling for the impeachment of Obama.

“I can see why webwrats might like it.”

I can see why the Controlistas approve of frontal lobotomies for their followers.
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July 30, 2010 7:03pm
Steve

Why flog a dead horse? who takes notice of the Media opinion of the weather?
Look at Rangitoto, it’s going to rain. Can’t see Rangitoto, it is raining. Simple really
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July 30, 2010 7:04pm
Steve

mickey savage is Geoffrey Palmer
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July 30, 2010 7:10pm
Redbaiter

You’re kidding me surely. I know Palmer is a meat head, but surely he’s not that big a meat head..!!!

The Mickey Savage who posts here has a brain the size of a pea. Gobsmacking if true.
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July 30, 2010 7:28pm
Steve

Boom boom Red.
Mad as I am could there be some truth in it?
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July 30, 2010 7:39pm
Robert Mapplethorpe

Redbaiter (10,721) Says:

July 30th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
You’re kidding me surely. I know Palmer is a meat head, but surely he’s not that big a meat head..!!!

The Mickey Savage who posts here has a brain the size of a pea. Gobsmacking if true.

Which would make him an intellectual giant when compared to your 3 nuerons, eh?

Got the latest update for your RightWingBileGenerator yet?

Still waiting for your condemnation of Breitbart, btw.

Jakarta is coming.
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July 30, 2010 7:42pm
Steve

Mowree Luggage.

Waikato University Reo Professor Pou Temara says the Hawaiian and Maori languages face similar challenges of finding enough competent teachers, particularly at the early childhood level.

Professor Temara is in Hawaii at the moment, gauging language revitalisation projects there.

He told Waatea News the (lack of) knowledge of the teachers is one of the barriers in helping the language to grow.

“Teachers in Puna Leo are similar to those in Kohanga Reo, in that they aren’t competent enough to be teaching the language,” he said.

“So what happens is you get the young children speaking bad language and this is what’s also happening in Kohanga Reo back home.”
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2010/07/30/cb62cb4dc9a5

Yeah right bro, my luggage is bad, I will fix it after the holiday
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July 30, 2010 7:43pm
hj

“and as for gerry brownlee he will get his coming and it wont be nice.”
http://my.greens.org.nz/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=79240&qid=3156125
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July 30, 2010 7:58pm
Hurf Durf

Hey Billy, Father McDoogle asked me to tell you that he didn’t know your intestines were that small when you were in the Choir.

“and as for gerry brownlee he will get his coming and it wont be nice.”

You Reds are the loveliest people on Earth. Oh, and you owe Tony Hayward an apology for being completely and utterly fucking wrong.
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July 30, 2010 7:58pm
dad4justice

Robert Mapplethorpe can you please talk to Paul P and get a good doctor as you might soon need one as there is a bad virus going around Canterbury at present.
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July 30, 2010 8:17pm
Jack5

Paul G. Buchanan’s 4.21 post links to a very interesting article, presumably by him, on the Kiwipolitico blog. (I repeat the link below).

This is how the immigration debate should be widened. People like Hickey (my 3.49 post) would shut down such debate by innuendo of or overt accusations of “racism”.

The danger in the political elite and economics-financial sector people like Hickey shutting down debate is that it will eventually and inevitably lead to a nasty counteraction with more extreme debate. Perhaps if National and Labour don’t want NZ First resurrected, they should open the immigration debate themselves.

Buchanan rightly points out that there are far wider aspects to immigration than purely economic aspects, and shows how Singapore practises quite strong racial preferences in its immigration and population policy. Interestingly, I believe Singapore is the homeland of NZ Hooerald writer Lincoln Tan, who writes up the cause of Chinese migrants in Auckland.

As well as the PC fog that stifles discussion of the racial make-up of immigration, just as the European media long stifled discussion of Muslim migration into Europe, there is a general reluctance to discuss anything that might reflect badly on China. PM Key apologises for an MP who protests about the ruthless Chinese colonisation of Tibet. In Auckland (link below) the Hooerald trumpets about China financing Confucian centres in NZ.

For the real story about the Confucian centres see the second link below, to a report from Der Spiegel about China’s foreign policy. Here’s a relevant extract:

Beijing has already installed more than 500 Confucius Institutes around the world, in hopes of promoting what it views as China’s cultural superiority.

Link to the Buchanan article:
http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2010/07/the-racial-basis-of-a-small-se-asian-state/

Link to NZ Herald Confucian centres in NZ schools:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/chinese-in-nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=147&objectid=10660868

Link to Der Spiegel article on China’s foreign strategy:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,708645,00.html
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July 30, 2010 9:05pm
RightNow

I saw Greg Presland on one news @6pm. first standing next to phil goff, then in another shot with helen. They were discussing him as a possibility for Labour in Te Atatu, along with Deborah Manning and Hamish McCracken
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July 30, 2010 9:20pm
Falafulu Fisi

Robert Mapplethorp said…
Here, on the Left, we deal in that which can be observed and measured, that which can be proven and that which is falsifiable.

Ok, have you read any refereed articles on the disaster of minimum wage laws? Labour MPs at RedAlert refuse to read them as I have posted links to them from time and time over there, but either they’re too thick to read them or otherwise, they refuse to do so, because it exposes the contradiction of what reality is and what deluded ideologies they’re clinging tightly to? Which ones? If you want to read those so called observed facts/data, then I am happy to quote them here for you to digest? Are you keen? I can help you with the interpretation of the analytical methods being used in those publications though. Indicate back here if you want to read the observed & measured proven data that you’re preaching here about.

By the way, are you a unionist Robert? I wouldn’t be surprised if you are.
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