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October 13, 2010 9:07am by David Farrar

General Debate 13 October 2010

Out at a sheep station today, so play amongst yourselves!

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Yvette

First.

from stuffed.co.nz –

Parliamentary Services have this morning warned that pregnant or menstruating women should not approach embattled Ex-Labour Party, now-Independent, MP Chris Carter. “While women in the vicinity of this man would normally be considered to be reasonably safe, he has declared himself a lethal weapon as regards labour Leader Phil Goff and as such could emanate a tapu in conflict with that in which Maori would have you believe hapu or mate wahine are held” they said.
However Parliamentary Services further advise that this notice is advice only and can be safely ignored along with most of their other instructions.

Meanwhile Labour MP Trevor Mallard says “A woman is very powerful when she is menstruating or when she is pregnant and her ability to produce the following generations must be carefully protected. It is unwise to push your way into a Parliamentary lift, if it means pushing aside such a woman.” He added “These days it is also unwise to get in a lift with Chris Carter, not because he was tapu, but because he usually had 50 media following his every footstep. There is a limit to the number of people you can punch at any one time” he said.

In a related issue, Parliament is to consider legislation banning impromptu performances of the haka, again to protect the tapu status of hapu women and mate wahine, who may be adversely effected by such performances which might not allow them to reasonably exercise their choice to not be present, especially during the comity comity bits, which are considered the most dangerous parts. Westpac Caketin operators said their brewery contracts precluded them form commenting on spiritual matters. Maori Party MP has already indicated he will vote against this measure, as he will vote against anything – but he has objected violently to the term ‘blanket’ vote. Dr Pita [Russell] Sharples said he would wait at least half a day to see what John Key would offer for his vote on the issue.

Meanwhile, a blonde haired blue-eyed Wellingtonian Indian has caused turmoil in the beauty contest world by winning Miss IndiaNZ – and being accused of not being Indian enough. The New Zealand Herald said Jacinta Lal, 21, was booed and has been the subject of complaints to organisers from Indian spectators who, she says, are no better than TV presenter Paul Henry, who has now become the yardstick by which any racial indiscretion or media self-engrandisement is to be measured.
Ms Lal, the daughter of an Indo Fijian and a New Zealander, won the central district Miss IndiaNZ contest in Wellington in April.
Complaints questioning Jacinta Lal’s eligibility to be in the pageant had been recieved, Festival organiser Dharmesh Parikh said. Ms Lal’s supporters say they are unhappy at the response of the crowd.
“It was just appalling,” said her boyfriend’s mother, Serena Fiso. “It was so disgraceful. We were just dumbfounded.”
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October 13, 2010 9:09am
peterwn

See:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10680176

especially:
“Super City mayor-elect Len Brown has already said his strong mandate meant the Government should listen, and that the rest of New Zealand should help pay for a new city-wide rapid transit system in Auckland.”

If Auckland wants it, Auckland can pay for it. Why the hell should the rest of NZ pay for it just because Auckland has allegedly given Len a strong mandate. The rest of NZ has had no say in the matter.

The total arrogance of the man.

First thing Len could do to help Auckland help itself is to persuade the Government to dismantle the Auckland Electricity Consumers Trust and use the assets/income to help pay for his rail projects. At the very least this would be a prerequisite to hitting the long suffering taxpayer further in the pocket.
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October 13, 2010 9:09am
Murray

DPF and the head of Te Papa will be on ABC’s Pacific Beat later today regarding guess what, an insitution that thinks a madona in a condom isn’t clutrually insensitive but impregnated women are.

Should be a giggle. http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/pacbeat/
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October 13, 2010 9:11am
Murray

Peter 40 people living in one house isn’t a “mandate”.
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October 13, 2010 9:12am
hj

Go Hillary Calvert!
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/hilary-calvert-makes-maiden-speech-3833097

On morning report she explained that it was necessary to explicitly state that customary title holders couldn’t charge for access because if it isn’t there, courts (in the future), may look at the legislation and say that (not being able to charge) wasn’t an intent of the act.
Can’t they afford the extra ink?
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October 13, 2010 9:20am
Pete George

that thinks a madona in a condom isn’t clutrually insensitive but impregnated women are.

That’s bordering on being a great typo. Try saying it out loud.
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October 13, 2010 9:27am
hj

That’s a good question to for DFP [or Bernard Hickey] to ask John Key: is the NZ Government in such dire straights it can’t afford the ink to write a clause which says “Customary title holders cannot charge other beach users for access“
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October 13, 2010 9:30am
Murray

Do you still read everything aloud Pete?
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October 13, 2010 9:31am
Inventory2

Big ups to the sevens team at the Commonwealth Games; bring on an Olympic gold medal in Rio in 2016! And how good is Gordon Tietjens? Unbeaten in 24 matches at the games since sevens was first played at KL in 1998; he really is the master sevens coach.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/10/magnificent-seven.html
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October 13, 2010 9:36am
hj

Nearly one third of Fiji citizens will be living in poverty by next year. That’s the assessment of University of the South Pacific economist Professor Waden Narsey.

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/pacbeat/stories/201010/s3033503.htm

What they need is to ramp up immigration to boost the property industry, (based on future economies of scale and the blind faith that the next Bill Gateses will emerge and out think the rest of the world). It’ll work for a while.
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October 13, 2010 9:36am
wikiriwhis business

I now know why Paul Henry is my hero. because he has exposed every body!!!!

Where is John Minto to protest for the Ram chuildren to stay in this country instead of being deported to disease, starvation and threat of death in the slums of India.

Where is the Indian community who know what the slums are like and should be out side CYFS protesting until thoise Indian children are kept in this country

What about CYFS themselves. Who are they to play God when their reputation is in tatters.

CYFS, Indians and Minto are all screwed up hypocrites no one will expose but Paul Henry.

Indians are all racists to each other and will not lift a finger for other castes.

I will be saying all this on Hamilton Community Radio from 10 am in the morning

Tune in.

And I hope I get challenged cause I’m in the mood for a scrap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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October 13, 2010 9:38am
joana

Yes good to see the hypocrisy exposed over the half Indian girl. my son is what we call half/half..he identifies with his father’s culture not mine. Young people can get caught between several world’s and not know where they belong..I was talking to a friend who has six children in a similar situation..The children need to decide for themselves where they belong..Sometimes as in this case , they can be rejected by one culture because they don’t look enough like a person from that culture. There are now thousands of children in NZ in this situation.
When are we going to get an apology from the Indian Govt for the burning of an effigy of a New Zealander? He was made out to be a bad man..but it is likely that he had a nightmare trying to get the corrupt Indian officials to get things ready for the games. The Indian officials put a lot of money and effort into their athletes to increase their medal chances but this guy probably went thru a lot of stress..maybe they will be known as the last minute games rather that the Dehli games..well anything is better than the aussie games..
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October 13, 2010 9:41am
Pete George

I don’t agree with or like the burning of effigies, but it’s not an uncommon thing in India, they burn effigies of their top sportsmen so maybe Michael Hooper should feel honoured ( albeit a dubious honour).

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/fans-burn-effigy-after-india-loss-1705554.html

Are New Zealanders really offended by the Hooper effigy burning? Or are they trying to score some points?
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October 13, 2010 9:47am
James Stephenson

Here’s one I know we can all enjoy… Unions Increase Unemployment

http://www.devilskitchen.me.uk/2010/10/unions-increase-unemployment.html

I found it at the Devil’s Knife, so that the link I’ve used, but do read on through his links.
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October 13, 2010 9:50am
Brian Smaller

I now know why Paul Henry is my hero. because he has exposed every body!!!!

Where is John Minto to protest for the Ram chuildren to stay in this country instead of being deported to disease, starvation and threat of death in the slums of India.

No mileage in it.

Where is the Indian community who know what the slums are like and should be out side CYFS protesting until thoise Indian children are kept in this country

They are Untouchables and the Indian Community here is just as caste-conscious as they are in India.

What about CYFS themselves. Who are they to play God when their reputation is in tatters.

They are a government department and therefore above criticism of mere plebs like you. They have Social work degrees and you are probably a plumber or ditch digger and therefore don’t understand these things.

CYFS, Indians and Minto are all screwed up hypocrites no one will expose but Paul Henry.

Paul Henry was white, middle class male.

Indians are all racists to each other and will not lift a finger for other castes.

Wrong – they listened to Prince Charles who thinks that the slums that the kids will go to is a model for sustainable living for the Western World. Get with the program.

I will be saying all this on Hamilton Community Radio from 10 am in the morning

Racist.

Tune in.

Nothing that comes out of Hamilton is worth listening to except the noise of V8 engines on race day.

And I hope I get challenged cause I’m in the mood for a scrap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me too.
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October 13, 2010 9:54am
Murray

Are Indians really offended by making fun of the name of a woman who has had people IN INDIA make fun of her name for years, of are they trying to defelct attention from the crappiest Commonwealth Games ever?

And yes I am offended by a bunch of knckle draggers buring a kiwi in efigy. I don’t think the fact that they do it regularly is a mitigation.
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October 13, 2010 9:57am
grumpyoldhori

Strange how many in NZ want different rules for different races, for example if one is white and the family in the nineteenth bought some foreshore from a iwi one should have the right to charge for access to that foreshore because the family have a white man’s title on it.

Yet, the iwi that owns and sold some of that foreshore and beach to the pakeha should not have that right.
Strange equality is it not ?
So are you for or against iwi getting fee simple title on foreshore and beaches they own or should that right only be given to the pakeha ?
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October 13, 2010 9:57am
wikiriwhis business

Well Grumpy, private property is still private property

Anyone who has legal entitlement to land has the right to charge admission I should think.
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October 13, 2010 9:59am
Brian Smaller

The pakeha only has fee simple title to the high water mark as far as I understand it. Not the same as the Foreshore AND seabed in front of his bach.
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October 13, 2010 9:59am
Adolf Fiinkensein

And it’s not just effigies that are burned. How many widows each year still are torched alive by these paragons of moral rectitude and virtue?
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October 13, 2010 10:02am
Redbaiter

Why is Democrat controlled television (ABC) asking Obama about his obsession with concealing his long form birth certificate?

Spin coming from some sources is saying Obama will be gone mid next year and Hillary after taking the Vice Presidency from Biden, will be President by default.

Fantastic?

Maybe. Maybe not.
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October 13, 2010 10:05am
James Stephenson

Red – interesting, Dan Hannan was posing the “will BHO run again?” question the other day:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100058310/will-barack-obama-stand-for-re-election/
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October 13, 2010 10:11am
Redbaiter

NZers are going to lose access to the foreshore.

This is what they get for their gormless adulation of the spineless John Key.

Suck it up losers.

You voted for it. Now wear it.
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October 13, 2010 10:11am
Murray

A mori bitching about different treatment for races. You out fishing the day they covered irony at school hori?

Why don’t you complain to your race based politcal party whose unquestioned agenda is the promotion of one race over all others.
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October 13, 2010 10:14am
Rick Rowling

Pete George at 9:27 am

Tee hee 😉
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October 13, 2010 10:17am
Redbaiter

“Dan Hannan was posing the “will BHO run again?” question the other day”

Yes Mr. Hannan is a refreshingly different politician, a clear thinker and speaker, and there’s a good chance he could be correct.

The speculation about Hillary is driven by the fact that so called reporter Jake Tapper of ABC asked Obama about the issue in an interview a couple of days ago. Tapper is a pretty committed Democrat agent and for him to raise the issue suggests a serious change in thinking somewhere on the left.

The only Democrat camp right now with the power to challenge Obama is the Hillary Clinton brigade. They’re already pushing for her to replace Biden, so the timing of this question on Obama’s identity is quite convenient.
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October 13, 2010 10:22am
hj

grumpyoldhori (1,381) Says:
October 13th, 2010 at 9:57 am

Strange how many in NZ want different rules for different races, for example if one is white and the family in the nineteenth bought some foreshore from a iwi one should have the right to charge for access to that foreshore because the family have a white man’s title on it.
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That one again?
Summary of the parcels that adjoin the foreshore
owned by the Crown 7,455km 37.64%
owned by territorial authorities 6,239km 31.42%
General land 3,979km 20.05%
Maori land 2,053km 10.35%
Unresolved 107km 0.54%
Point: it isn’t different rules for different races it is different rules for different catagouries (ie those who have had their roots in the land adjoining the foreshore and seabed since the “nineteenth” and coastal iwi who once held the whole coast as tribal territory wanting to assert a right to that territory. What Pakeha get out of it is “peace between the races” (Toad of Green Party) and the Maori Cultural Advantage: Kaitiaki Services Ltd.
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October 13, 2010 10:23am
RightNow

“Strange how many in NZ want different rules for different races”

Not me – I want an end to it. Let’s all just be New Zealanders and have one law for all.
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October 13, 2010 10:24am
Murray

Well you’re clearly a racist RightNow.
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October 13, 2010 10:28am
RightNow

Google Seeks Tax Write-Off of $5 Billion
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/8059780/Google-invests-in-5-billion-wind-farm-project.html

Clearly making too much money Google decides to throw some away.

“The energy from the wind farm is expected to cost several times more than conventional electricity, but Mr Needham said Google still sees offshore wind as an attractive a long-term investment”

Pfft. Read between the lines – they expect massive subsidies, and for governments to impose bigger and bigger taxes on oil and coal based energy.
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October 13, 2010 10:34am
RightNow

Murray – but in my soul I’m 1/16th Maori.
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October 13, 2010 10:35am
hj

“All men are brothers!” except where one group hold manwhenua (where they have higher status). We can get around that by groveling obsequiously though. 😉
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October 13, 2010 10:39am
Pete George

Let’s all just be New Zealanders and have one law for all.

An interesting concept – if you could choose one law for all what would it be?
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October 13, 2010 10:41am
wat dabney

Anyone who advocates redistribution and anyone who accepts state handouts of other people’s money clearly denies the existence of property rights. Such people cannot then talk about “Maori land” because no such right of ownership exists.

Put another way: anyone banging the drum about “Maori land” should instantly stop accepting any handouts or benefits-in-kind. You can’t have it both ways: you can’t forcibly take other people’s property whilst whining that your patch of land is subject to the same forfeiture.
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October 13, 2010 10:46am
bhudson

Pete,

“if you could choose one law for all what would it be?”

The same
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October 13, 2010 10:48am
grumpyoldhori

Brian Smaller So should iwi have the right to a fee simple title to the high water mark like the pakeha has so they can charge for access like the pakeha does ?

Or, should that right be kept for the pakeha only ?

Murray, Maori party looking after the interests of hori yes they are, just like ACT looks after the interests of the pakeha.
And let us not forget how the Nats took great care of pakeha farmers.

Hmm, Maori have always done well from the taxpayer, strange that, my grandfather was in the Maori pioneer Battlion, he was badly wounded in the legs at Gallipoli.
But it will make you proud that the pakeha in Wellington decided that wounded Maori veterans had not done enough to warrant a war pension even though he could not work because of his war wounds.

Might I suggest a touch more study on ALL NZ history, yes it is available in English on the web.
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October 13, 2010 10:51am
gravedodger

Hey David what time is the next sheep due to arrive.
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October 13, 2010 10:58am
Redbaiter

“An interesting concept – if you could choose one law for all what would it be?”

Oh fuck off you pissant weasel troll.

[DPF: 20 demerits – not acceptable to tell people to fuck off]
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October 13, 2010 11:03am
Pete George

The beach charge ban looks like it may not be a done deal after all, depending on who you listen to. The government may push for a “one law for all” approach.

It is understood the Government is willing to make the ban on charges clearer, but is wary of inserting something that would ban only Maori from charging and not others in areas that would still be deemed common coastal areas. It is likely to go for a clause that was not race specific.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4226992/Beach-access-charge-clash
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October 13, 2010 11:06am
Pete George

Redbaiter gets so brave when DPF is away 🙂 – funny when the resident troll accuses.
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October 13, 2010 11:13am
double d

Baaaa
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October 13, 2010 11:13am
davidp

>Out at a sheep station today

Sydney has the Blue Mountains, the Opera House, lovely beaches, some cool museums, Kuringai Chase, a neat harbour, Royal National Park, and plenty of cafes and shops. But DPF goes to see some sheep, because that is something you can’t do in NZ.

Oh, and you can be sure he’ll post about a dozen photos of sheep tomorrow. With captions like “This was a particularly good looking one”.
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October 13, 2010 11:13am
gravedodger

davidp @ 11 13, One of them may turn out to be stunningly beautiful.
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October 13, 2010 11:22am
Brian Smaller

Hori – yes, if one can charge then all can charge. I have no problem with that. As long as it doesn’t stop me walking along the water’s edge collecting pipis I don’t care.
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October 13, 2010 11:33am
Inventory2

@ gravedodger – you’re a smart baaaaaaastard 😉
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October 13, 2010 11:44am
Pete George

One way of keeping farms in NZ ownership:

Buoyant Super Fund looks at farm buys

The New Zealand Superannuation Fund is close to naming a manager who will begin investing directly in local farms on its behalf.

The $17.2 billion state-owned fund has plans to acquire more prime New Zealand assets including rural land, state-owned enterprises, small high-growth companies and iwi businesses.

And no surprise to see that the Super fund has “found” some of the money it had supposedly “lost” last year.
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October 13, 2010 12:00pm
Fletch

Why is Democrat controlled television (ABC) asking Obama about his obsession with concealing his long form birth certificate?

Spin coming from some sources is saying Obama will be gone mid next year and Hillary after taking the Vice Presidency from Biden, will be President by default.

Fantastic?

Maybe. Maybe not.

Redbaiter 10.05

Yeh, someone needs to front up about it. There’s a detailed analysis of the birth certificate that Daily KOS had on their website that they claim is Obamas HERE. It was examined by an expert, who says it is a forgery. Yes, an expert, not just a blogger –

I am an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association – the list could go on. I am also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. I have been performing computer based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and I have performed countless investigations since then.

Now to quickly clear up some of the strangest speculations I have read about my supposed background – all in one or two rather convoluted run-on sentences…yes, I have a government issued security clearance (sensitive but unclassified information – sorry but I have no access to space aliens) and NO I am NOT an agent of the federal government.
Yes, I have received training from the Treasury Department, Department of Homeland Security and FEMA, and yes I am involved with the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s InfraGard program but again that does NOT make me a federal agent. They do not get paid enough to put up with the massive amount of crap they have to deal with.

So, the guy knows what he is talking about. People like to make fun of “birthers” who claim Obama does not have an American birth certificate, but he still hasn’t shown one, so the only thing they can do (and have) is heap derision on those who claim it’s a forgery.
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October 13, 2010 12:13pm
Pete George

So, the guy knows what he is talking about.

How can you be sure? “Techdude” could be anyone, why would he remain anonymous?

That “analysis” was released in July 2008, over two years ago, so it’s not exactly hot news. It seems that since then, Techdude’s analysis has been debunked and so have his credentials.

Newsmax Columnist Repeats Bogus Birth Certificate Forgery Claims

Bad Science: How Not To Do Image Analysis

It’s safe to keep making fun of Birthers.
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October 13, 2010 12:24pm
joe90

Gosh Fletch, why didn’t you post this piece of insanity from 2008.

Barack Hussein Obama Jr Malcolm X Barack Hussein Obama Sr. Barack Hussein Obama Sr., Tom Mboya, and Philip Ochieng, all share common physical features of the Kenyan Luo tribe: Modest stature under six feet, round faces, small chins, wide set eyes, slanted back foreheads, and retracted hairlines…none of these features are shared by Malcolm X and Barack Hussein Obama Jr.
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October 13, 2010 12:28pm
Murray

Audio of ABC interview with Te Papa head and DPF
http://www.abc.net.au/ra/pacbeat/stories/m1929272.asx
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October 13, 2010 12:30pm
Fletch

Pete, then why is it surfacing again, eg, Redbaiter’s report?

It’s really just one person’s view against another’s – nothing has been “debunked”.
You can believe Obama has it if you like Pete, and if he does then why won’t he show it? The media made a HUGE deal about McCain maybe not being born in America; there was article after article on it, but he produced his. Obama still won’t show his and the leftist media are very quiet about it – in fact, the media started a new story amongst themselves about Obama’s middle name being Hussein, when no one had even brought it up, to deflect attention away from the birth certificate.

And then there’s the fact that Obama’s paternal grandmother says she was present at his birth in Kenya. Also, before the presidential race, many newspapers and sites reffered to Obama as Kenyan. I can look them up again if you like.
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October 13, 2010 12:31pm
joana

And there are questions about his education..who paid for it..Sheik whoever..plus about his law credentials..why so many questions?
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October 13, 2010 12:31pm
Mark

davidp (1,403) Says:

October 13th, 2010 at 11:13 am
>Out at a sheep station today

Sydney has the Blue Mountains, the Opera House, lovely beaches, some cool museums, Kuringai Chase, a neat harbour, Royal National Park, and plenty of cafes and shops. But DPF goes to see some sheep, because that is something you can’t do in NZ.

Oh, and you can be sure he’ll post about a dozen photos of sheep tomorrow. With captions like “This was a particularly good looking one”.

Wha is it that DF finds attractive about a sheep station
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October 13, 2010 12:36pm
Fletch

The guy that produced the “Obama certificate” that was on the Daily KOS website has admitted he faked it. So where is the real one?
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October 13, 2010 12:41pm
Redbaiter

I see where the far left bozos and cowards over at No Minister have launched another attack on Redbaiter. They spend a lot of time attacking me and then delete my posts if I ever write anything there in rebuttal.

Which of course gives rise to an excellent point. Glenn Beck’s rally was about restoring honour. Why does honour need restoring? The left have none of it, and have worked extremely hard to destroy it as a concept. To replace it with the odious moral relativity that is so often on display here among the cowards cheats liars and other assorted leftist scum that plague this forum.

No Minister’s attacks on Redbaiter are founded in that same lack of honour, for they are cowardly and nobody who understood the meaning of self respect, and remaining true to oneself, could make them. They justify the attacks by means of the same twisted amoral self interest that identifies the left, and then complain because I accuse them of being fake rightists.

They even use the same lies and smears that sundry cowardly leftists use on here when they try and paint true Conservatives, who strive for small weak government, and want government out of sight and out of mind, as the political equal of totalitarian tyrants who execute dissidents by the thousands.

Adolf is the only writer there that gives No Minister any slight justification for describing itself as right wing, but he is far out balanced by the other authors there, and taken as a whole the site is, on any real political spectrum, extreme left and enthusiastically embracing of Progressivism.

If they were honest, they would write to the blogs categorising them as right wing and ask them that they more accurately list them in the left wing category.

As the Gantt guy said so well recently-

‘….What most don’t seem to realise is that the enemy of the Right is not the Left, it is the Centre. It is from the Centre that the various forms of appeasement come. It is from the Centre that the situational deal-making, the sale (or giving away) of our culture and heritage, the politics of diversion arise. It is the Centre that is to blame for the evil of Ratchet Socialism. It is the Centre that demonises the Right, by labelling as “too extreme” any idea that would have even a remote chance of improving New Zealand’s wealth.’

Shame. People who once actually took up arms against the communists are so brain washed they now unwittingly do their work for them in the countries they once defended.

I referenced a book on these people just this morning on “The Nobel Prize Winner” thread. The Dupes at No Minister badly need to read it.

http://www.amazon.com/DUPES-Americas-Adversaries-Manipulated-Progressives/dp/1935191756/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1286709546&sr=8-1

“In this startling, intensively researched book, bestselling historian Paul Kengor shines light on a deeply troubling aspect of American history: the prominent role of the “dupe.” From the Bolshevik Revolution through the Cold War and right up to the present, many progressives have unwittingly aided some of America’s most dangerous opponents.”
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October 13, 2010 12:51pm
graham

And on a new note …

The Greens have blocked the law change to allow Wanganui to be spelled with or without the “h”. The Greens objected to including the law in a mop-up bill which governments often use to make minor changes to a range of laws in one go. Such bills require the consent of all parties in Parliament as they are supposed to be non-controversial.

Mr Williamson said the Greens refused, despite the Maori Party asking them to let it go through. Metiria Turei said the issue was not non-controversial and the Green Party believed Wanganui should have one spelling only – with the “h”.

So here’s something that most people said is really not worth worrying about, provides a good compromise, and surprisingly even the Maori Party support it – but the Greens still aren’t happy …
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October 13, 2010 12:52pm
hj

“It is understood the Government is willing to make the ban on charges clearer, but is wary of inserting something that would ban only Maori from charging and *not others in areas that would still be deemed common coastal areas*. It is likely to go for a clause that was not race specific. ”
…..
who are we referring to here?
[The Maori and] Pakeha with existing rights? Ports? Marinas? Mussell farmers? I smell a rat there.
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October 13, 2010 12:53pm
Murray

I notice that TV presenters insist on pronouncing it Fong as well which is incoorect, even with an H.

Its not about getting it right, its about dominating others with your agenda.
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October 13, 2010 12:54pm
Murray

I smell race based bullshit from the professional victim class hj.
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October 13, 2010 12:56pm
nickb

I see where the far left bozos and cowards over at No Ministe

No Minister seems to have gone downhill a bit with the arrival of the senile old Veteran.
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October 13, 2010 1:04pm
Pete George

‘….What most don’t seem to realise is that the enemy of the Right is not the Left, it is the Centre.

What satire site does that come from? The “centre” is now seen as the big enemy because it encompasses most people and ideas to varying degrees. The self described “Right” are their own worst enemas, they can’t stop the shit.

One day enough people will realise that civilisation shouldn’t be a battlefield of concocted wars. It’s supposed to be civilised.
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October 13, 2010 1:15pm
Redbaiter

“No Minister seems to have gone downhill a bit with the arrival of the senile old Veteran.”

Yeah. He’s really off his damn rocker with the Progressive shit that infests his brain. I have always supported our troops, gone out on a limb again and again against the stinking left who defame and attack them time after time, and a week or so ago he was describing me as the equal of those in the west who sent supplies to the Vietcong.

He apparently doesn’t realise the commies always fight on a number of different fronts, and one of those fronts is always right within the countries they seek to conquer, and they do it by slowly and gradually introducing poisonous ideas into the political culture. The old fool buys into so many of these ideas he’s now flat out like a lizard drinking doing the political work of the scum he once fought against, and he is so fucking dim, he does not have the faintest idea of how misguided he is and how he is being used. A prize DUPE.

The Vietnam war wasn’t won on the battlefields, it was won for the Vietcong by the communists on the streets of America and other Western Countries. The same false rhetoric that hurt our troops and our political condition so badly then still exists, (except in modern format) and these fuckwits at No Minister are flat out propagating it while they posture as rightists.
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October 13, 2010 1:18pm
Mr Magister

The Greens have blocked the law change to allow Wanganui to be spelled with or without the “h”.

Does this mean I can get a refund from iPredict?
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October 13, 2010 1:18pm
Redbaiter

Hamish Collins- “Thank you Redbaiter, funniest thing I’ve read in a while.”

Mr. Collins too is another of No Minister’s resident socialist fascists, and here he uses a common fascist strategy in the attempted use of ridicule if he ever reads anything that is unnerving in its truth.

The same smug sneering attempted put downs as used by Mr. Collins are standard fare for truth averse leftist fascists all over the blogosphere.

If it walks like a Progressive, and talks like a Progressive, and acts like a Progressive, you can bet your balls its a Progressive.
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October 13, 2010 1:25pm
Redbaiter

Socrates- “I find it just a little ironic that the author of this “You are puny intellectual cowards who habitually delete any messages” posts on a site which has a harsher banning/deletion policy than nominister.”

No Minister always give space to these slow witted morons who are compelled to attack what they see as some kind of trangression by CR in strictly controlling who may post there. They always over look the prime condition. Some sites claim to be for open debate. Others prefer not to.

Socrates, in spite of his presumptuous handle, hasn’t got a clue on the logic. If there is any criticism to be levelled, it should be at No Minister for proclaiming itself to be for open debate when in fact it is known to frequently delete posts merely on the whim of its administrators. CR is consistent and gives fair warning of its policy. No Minister is a pack of cowards and pretenders who profess one thing but do the opposite.
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October 13, 2010 1:39pm
Pete George

the attempted use of ridicule if he ever reads anything that is unnerving in its truth.

Thanks for revealing your secrets, now we know what’s up when you try to ridicule.

If you don’t like No Minister, you’re free to choose. But I agree about CR, while the site appears openly hostile I’ve never been stopped from posting there – but then it’s not RB who has control there.
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October 13, 2010 1:44pm
Psycho Milt

If there is any criticism to be levelled, it should be at No Minister for proclaiming itself to be for open debate when in fact it is known to frequently delete posts merely on the whim of its administrators.

When did No Minister proclaim itself for open debate? The authors have admin rights and have always deleted comments if they feel like they’ve got a reason to, or if they just feel like it. That’s never been a secret as far as I can tell – Adolf deleted a comment within days of us going live and various other authors have deleted comments at various times. It’s called “owning the blog.” Those who struggle with the concept of property rights (Redbaiter seemingly foremost among them) should look it up. Our blog, our terms.
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October 13, 2010 1:52pm
Zarchoff

Bet this doesn’t make headlines in India. I await the outcry, protests and complaints to the Race Relations Commission.

Beauty queen in race row – National – NZ Herald News http://www.nzherald.co.nz
A blonde, blue-eyed woman is at the centre of a new racism row after winning a Miss IndiaNZ beauty contest and then being accused of not looking Indian enough.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10680175
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October 13, 2010 2:00pm
Angus

Agreed. No Minister is shite.
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October 13, 2010 2:02pm
Redbaiter

Hhahah.. thanks for the laffs Milt.. an unrepentant Stalinist reaching for one of the foundation stones of Capitalism to underpin his censorship of posts that are critical of his far left ideology. Only among the left could such tortuous and hypocritical attempts at logic be attempted.

(Pleased to see though that you had the good sense Milt to acknowledge there is no profit in attempting to discuss this issue within the heavily censored confines of No Minister.)
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October 13, 2010 2:04pm
Pete George

You’re being hypocritical again Red. If you had your way with a blog….

# Redbaiter at 11:03 am: Oh fuck off you pissant weasel troll.

….except your attempts at censorship lack a bit of authority.
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October 13, 2010 2:11pm
big bruv

“The Greens have blocked the law change to allow Wanganui to be spelled with or without the “h”.”

I have long thought that the Greens only exist to piss off middle NZ, this small minded stance is not going to do anything but feed the fire.

Let it be spelt with or without an H
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October 13, 2010 2:18pm
RightNow

Go Hanganui!
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October 13, 2010 2:25pm
Brian Smaller

“The Greens have blocked the law change to allow Wanganui to be spelled with or without the “h”.”

The TV news and weather, the newspapers and government departments all use Wh now anyway. Are the Greens going to come around and correct me when I write Wanganui?
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October 13, 2010 2:40pm
Redbaiter

“Are the Greens going to come around and correct me when I write Wanganui?”

Not now. If they ever had the power though, they would in an instant.

Read this for some history on the Nazi bastards.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/the_original_environazis.html
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October 13, 2010 2:47pm
Psycho Milt

Pleased to see though that you had the good sense Milt to acknowledge there is no profit in attempting to discuss this issue within the heavily censored confines of No Minister.

There’s no profit in you attempting to discuss it, no – but only because “discussion” for you involves little beyond assertions and insults, not because the No Minister of your imagination is “heavily censored.”
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October 13, 2010 3:01pm
Redbaiter

“not because the No Minister of your imagination is “heavily censored.””

Well pardon me. My posts are frequently deleted there with no explanation or reason given. Just gone. Sure enough this is an assertion but I think I have enough credibility for most readers here (other than the most hate driven psychotic leftists) to believe me when I say it happened. And the personality defects so apparent in yourself and the other Progressives who administrate the site give considerable weight too to my claims.
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October 13, 2010 3:10pm
Jack5

Re posts about foreshore and Maori ownership (Grumpy at 9.57, 10.51, HJ at 10.23 etc, etc):

One thing that needs to be cleared up in any change:

Will pregnant women and menstruating women be allowed on the beaches?
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October 13, 2010 3:15pm
big bruv

I just love this comment posted over at No Minister.

” Hamish Collins said…

Yes, its a source of amusement that Redbaiter, who hates communists, should attack someone who actually fought them – being you.

October 13, 2010 12:36 PM

After Redbaiters gutless attack on the Veteran I thought that the comment from Hamish Collins was just perfect.
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October 13, 2010 3:16pm
James Stephenson

First rescuer’s just gone down the tube in Chile btw…
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October 13, 2010 3:22pm
Inventory2

Lovely, ain’t it. Metiria Turei goes home to her whanau in Dunedin when Parliament isn’t sitting, but she’s still trying to tell people in W(h)anganui how their city’s name should be spelt; she obviously believes that she knows better even than Tariana Turia who was raised in the area, and who represents the Whanganui iwi.
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October 13, 2010 3:24pm
Inventory2

Live streaming of the rescue here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11489439
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October 13, 2010 3:25pm
Jack5

Re Yvette’s 9.09 post about the NZ-Indian girl who didn’t look Indian enough (link below), you can bet there will be no diplomatic complaints from India about this.

As posted previously, Paul Henry as a part-Gypsy or part-Romani, can also claim Indian genes, as that’s where those people originate from.

The whole shebang about doesn’t look like an NZer or doesn’t look like an Indian, is a farce.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4226833/Indian-girl-not-Indian-enough
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October 13, 2010 3:27pm
Pete George

Turei has wide ranging experience: she was a candidate for the McGillicuddy Serious Party in the 1993 election and for the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party in the 1996 election. Next stepping stone is Green. How far can she rise?
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October 13, 2010 3:31pm
hj

“The Greens have blocked the law change to allow Wanganui to be spelled with or without the “h”.”

I have long thought that the Greens only exist to piss off middle NZ, this small minded stance is not going to do anything but feed the fire.

Let it be spelt with or without an H
………………………..

The Greens have banned j( ) from Frogblog.
Can’t think why though?
It could be for pointing out that the Greens should have known more about what (at least might) have been going on in the Ureweras before leading the [“we’re winning the] media war” charge.
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October 13, 2010 3:33pm
Redbaiter

“After Redbaiters gutless attack on the Veteran I thought that the comment from Hamish Collins was just perfect.”

You obviously post that message in the vain delusion that I might give some weight to what you might think. You’re a coward, a loser, and dumb as a box of rocks, but even given those restraints, free to hold whatever opinion you want. Its a mistake though to think that such unimpressive infantile shit is worth posting here.
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October 13, 2010 3:33pm
Inventory2

@ Pete; I’d venture to suggest that she has already reached her highest attainable level of incompetence.
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October 13, 2010 3:34pm
Brian Smaller

First rescuer’s just gone down the tube in Chile btw…

Poor choice of phrase I hope.
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October 13, 2010 3:43pm
big bruv

hj

Are you really suprsied that the Greens banned you?

You should know by now that the left do not tolerate differing opinions, remember, the Greens supported the stinking EFA.

It is hypocritical that Toad comes here and abuses the generosity of the host yet he will not allow debate at his own site.
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October 13, 2010 3:44pm
Redbaiter

This post was deleted from No Minister where I am attempting to defend myself against attacks from The Veteran, Psycho Milt and other administrators there. Would the anonymous deleter care to identify themselves, or is this just another example of the rank cowardice and hypocrisy that characterises the administrators of No Minister?

————-

“what brave things have you ever done, other than post on blogs?”

Its more what I haven’t done actually. I don’t post under an “anonymous” handle. I don’t post under any other name other than Redbaiter, as opposed to the cowards who frequently use many different names and often on the same thread. I don’t make false allegations relating to other posters identities or where they live. I don’t leave messages up making false alegations and charges and then delete the messages of those attempting to refute the charges. I don’t set up fake blogs, and then embellish those blogs with fake words and phrases. I don’t post messages on other blogs using the names of other posters, perceived or otherwise. I don’t do any of these things which are by their nature the province of unprincipled yellow backed cowards. People with no self restraint, no self respect and no moral code who will do anything if they think they can escape detection, or are so intellectually stunted they don’t care anyway. Invariably, the creeps who do these things are Progressives.
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October 13, 2010 3:45pm
big bruv

Redbaiter

My last comment must have got under your skin, good, I love the idea of you raging around your retirement home in a fit of senile temper.
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October 13, 2010 3:47pm
grumpyoldhori

Brian Smaller it is an interesting mess politicians have made is it not, now some here argue the foreshore has always been crown land, in that case it must have been pretty dumb pakeha who bought some foreshore off hories.

If pakeha bought foreshore from hori that is proof that they owned the same, I do like the argument bought up that if some Kiwi goes overseas for a while any property he owns becomes forfeit to the crown.

The politicians who disappoint are ACT, at least in the past they had the balls to say let the courts decide, now they are just another race baiting bunch believing that will get them into power.

Notice how some pakeha believe property rights should only apply to them, example, the foreshore that Maori have a claim on should be forfeit to the crown, but ask if the same should happen to pakeha who own foreshore and the answer will be no of course not, their skin tone makes them special.

Oh question, should you have the right to walk on foreshore owned by pakeha in fee simple or is that different ?
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October 13, 2010 3:49pm
MyNameIsJack

redwanker, why do you feel the need to drag your shit from other blogs here? Why not fuck off and set up your own? Oh, that’s right, it costs time and money and you like bludging from the efforts of others. Bet you wish they had unlimited free access at WINZ, eh Rusty?
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October 13, 2010 3:51pm
dime

“My last comment must have got under your skin, good, I love the idea of you raging around your retirement home in a fit of senile temper.”

HAHAHAHA
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October 13, 2010 3:51pm
Redbaiter

See that is why you are a coward Bruv. You don’t know that I am angry. You don’t know that I am retired. You don’t know that I am in any home. Yet you make these false allegations without the slightest qualm of conscience. This is why you have been such easy meet for the left. You stand for nothing. Not even common decency. You will lie without the slightest care of the truth. As a political force you are nothing, and the left have therefore crushed you like they would crush an insect.
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October 13, 2010 3:52pm
Redbaiter

“HAHAHAHA”

Ohh Gawd, here’s another whining inarticulate brain dead commie loser with no argument ever and who’s probably waited all day for someone else to open the attack for him.

I see your good buddy MNIJ is here to back you up as usual Bruv. Good to know whose side you’re on aint it? Is for me anyway.
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October 13, 2010 3:54pm
Redbaiter

“easy MEAT”
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October 13, 2010 3:59pm
Pete George

I don’t post under an “anonymous” handle.

Apart from the obvious point that “Redbaiter” is an “anonymous” handle, your claims of being a model blog poster are somewhat at odds with all the crap you make up about just about everyone that doesn’t stoke your ego – do you feel privileged to have d4j as a fawning ally?

People with no self restraint, no self respect and no moral code who will do anything if they think they can escape detection

– like thinking they can escape detection when DPF is away and post what they know may otherwise get demerited?

and who’s probably waited all day for someone else to open the attack for him.

Anyone started the fight for “freedom” revolution you keep trying to stoke up yet?
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October 13, 2010 4:04pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Come on, the Chile Miners Rescue is the big story of the moment.
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October 13, 2010 4:04pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Who else is watching the live pictures of the Chile Miners Rescue in progress?
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