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General Debate 30 April 2011

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publicwatchdog

# reid (7,033) Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

This new Auckland (Supercity) Council is now proposing a 4.9% rates increase! (While reducing most former Council’s prompt rates payment discounts.) Where are the ‘economies of scale’ resulting from forcibly abolishing our eight former councils and replacing them with this ‘corporate controlled organisation’?

That’s a good question Penny. Let’s hope whoever takes over Rodney’s portfolio comes up with a great answer, by 6:00 AM Monday morning. Let’s also hope it wasn’t Len’s fault.”
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errr…. suggest you check out if Citizens and Ratepayers Auckland Councillors were opposed to ANY rate$ increase for this current Auckland Council Draft Annual Plan?

You may care to check out whether the Citizens and Ratepayers candidate in the Howick Ward by-election, Dick Quax is:

a) Opposed to this proposed 4.9% Auckland Council rate increase?
b) If he is opposed to this proposed 4.9% Auckland Council rate increase – what is HE doing about it?

Remember, National/ACT/ whatever/ former Auckland City Council Mayor John Banks campaigned for Auckland Council Mayor, as a proud supporter of the Auckland ‘Supercity’.

Does John Banks support this proposed 4.9% Auckland Council rates increase?

Does John Banks support cutting out the private consultants and contractors (including contract administrators) and returning core Council services back to ‘in-house’ Council provision in order to cut rates?

If not – why would the voting public of Epsom even consider ‘feeding the mouth that (effectively) has bitten them’?

NB: Some of us – from DAY ONE – warned that the $upercity was NOT for the benefit of citizens and ratepayers – it was all about setting up a bigger public trough for fewer but bigger (multinational) private snouts.

The simple answer to cutting rates is by cutting out all these private ‘piggies in the middle’.

http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

History has this habit of proving who was right and who was wrong…………………

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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April 30, 2011 11:14pm
reid

errrr… suggest you read my comment again Penny.

I wasn’t inviting mere repetition of the original issue which is what you just gave, I was inviting new information. Care to provide any, or not really?
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April 30, 2011 11:43pm
publicwatchdog

reid (7,035) Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

errrr… suggest you read my comment again Penny.

I wasn’t inviting mere repetition of the original issue which is what you just gave…”

Suggest you follow your own advice Reid?

🙂

Good night!

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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April 30, 2011 11:50pm
KevinH

ACT will be looking to appoint John Banks as the new Auckland minister as part of the coalition deal. John has experience in that role due to his former career as mayor and will bring a fresh perspective to Aucklands governance.
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May 1, 2011 6:53am
Inventory2

@ Penny; since when has the Prime Minister been responsible for decisions of a left-wing city council led by a left-wing Mayor? You’re barking up the wrong tree. Go and protest against Len Brown; that would be a good start.

PS: you were at the Mana Party launch? Sheesh: I never would have picked that!
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May 1, 2011 6:54am
Manolo

I excuse her ignorance and stupidity. After all, this poor woman has been “opressed” all her life:

Kiwi drug mule: I knew about parcel

Jailed Kiwi Sharon Armstrong knew she was carrying a secret parcel in a hidden compartment in her suitcase – but she is adamant she had no idea the parcel contained drugs. The surprise revelation came in an exclusive interview with the Herald on Sunday in Buenos Aires’ Unidad 31 prison.

Armstrong’s faint hopes of an early release from prison were dashed when Judge Daniel Petrone confirmed he would proceed with a full investigation at a private court appearance.
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May 1, 2011 7:30am
starboard

“Jailed Kiwi Sharon Armstrong knew she was carrying a secret parcel ”

You’ve got to be kiddin me !!!! She knew she had a secret parcel hidden in a compartment in the suitcase and she still went through with it !! ??? My God how fucking dumb is that..and she was high up in a Govt dept role here in NZ ? Oh pleease.
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May 1, 2011 7:40am
Fletch

Cross-posted from Born In The USA thread –

WND points out that Obama co-sponsored a bill in 2008 requiring McCain to have ‘natural born parents’ to qualify to be a candidate in the running for POTUS.
Pity that no one saw fit to use these very same criteria in regards to Obama himself – criteria he would failed to have met, as his father is NOT a natural born citizen, which the Constitution requires any Presidential candidates to be.

So really, all the releasing of the Birth Certificate has done is prove that Obama is not eligible, because of his father.

Sorry to harp on it, but yeh….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJgY86nmEHc&feature=player_embedded

[DPF: The birthers never give up. You are factually totally wrong. First of all the constitutional requirement is for you to be born in the USA, not for your father to be.

But most of all you are wrong on the bill he co-sponsored. It did not require McCain to have natural born parents. There was some marginal doubt over whether McCain qualified as he was born in Panama as his father was serving there in the military. The bill co-sponsored by Obama was actually to remove any doubt over McCain eligibility by amending the Constitution to specify that being a natural born citizen includes being born overseas if you are a child of American military personnel serving there.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing]
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May 1, 2011 8:15am
Fletch

if you are a child of American military personnel serving there

Exactly..

DPF, that’s not what I get from the reading of the resolution – it was to determine BOTH – 1. whether McCain was born on American soil, and 2. whether his parents (BOTH of them) were “natural born citizens”.
Did you even read the resolution?
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May 1, 2011 8:33am
publicwatchdog

# KevinH (229) Says:
May 1st, 2011 at 6:53 am

ACT will be looking to appoint John Banks as the new Auckland minister as part of the coalition deal. John has experience in that role due to his former career as mayor and will bring a fresh perspective to Aucklands governance.”

What utter garbage!

Have you NO idea of John Bank’s previous track record?

How ‘dodgy’ is Dictator Don’s pushing of his BU$INESS MATE John Bank$ for this position?

Talk about ‘job$ for the boy$’?

Whose interests are being served here?

Seems that the ‘business’ model – is GREAT for business people (well – those who get the Council contract$).

Pity about the public majority of citizens and ratepayers who just become a GIANT CA$H COW – ‘ALL PAY – NO SAY’?

PS: This $upercity – super rip off’ happened on ‘shonky’ corporate raider John Key’s watch – although he used Rodney Hide as the ‘flak catcher’.

So, in my considered opinion, it is TOTALLY appropriate that concern about this Auckland Council proposed 4.9% rate increase comes back to ‘shonky’ John Key.

(You disagree all you like – I’ll give this earnest consideration – while I’m collecting signatures on these proposed ‘partial rate$ revolt’ post cards – in the heart of Remuera……….)

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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May 1, 2011 8:41am
Fletch

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I’m betting that if McCain’s father had been a foreigner that his American mother had met and married while working in Panama, that McCain would have been ineligible to run as POTUS. Is that a fair enough assumption to make? And if so, how would that differ with regard to Obama’s circumstances?
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May 1, 2011 8:45am
joana

Jaba
Brash does not want one law for all. The only person who has ever articulated one law for all is Winston..Brash wants pakeha law for all. He cannot think outside his own culture.
Fletch..don’t apologize for harping. Just about everyone else does it when it suits them. Obama’s father was a serial womaniser , a polygamist and possibly a child rapist , an illegal immigrant etc etc..If you want regular updates on the Obama circus , read the Aussie site Winds of Jihad. It makes a change from the constant Act circus we are being feed in our own foreign media.
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May 1, 2011 8:53am
joana

Oh and David , the labelers never give up. We are not birthers; we are questioners.
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May 1, 2011 8:56am
Pauleastbay

Fletch

He will undoubtably have been born in the canel zone which is (was) US territory and deemed to be part of the USA, the rest of the place is a total shit hole, so there was never any real trouble, just a clarification

It doesn’t matter where the parents are born, just the kids to run for POTUS
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May 1, 2011 8:56am
Fletch

Pauleastbay, the Constitution itself refers to “natural born citizens”, although it doesn’t define what that means; however, Vattel’s The Law of Nations, writings from which the U.S. Founders drew both ideas and definitions, defines it as “natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens,” according to Book 1, Chapter 19, Paragraph 212.

That was the understanding at the time the Constitution was written: citizen offspring of citizen parents.
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May 1, 2011 9:05am
Pete George

What sort of quest are the questioners on? Apart from continuing to dig in the stupid hole.
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May 1, 2011 10:12am
joana

Pete,
you know I don’t respond to you but I’ll make an exception. Why do you want the questioning to stop? The questioning is likely to stop when the questions are answered. Some people have low standards and accept any old answer to questions.
Others like Fletch have higher standards and keep on questioning.
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May 1, 2011 10:44am
Pete George

I didn’t say I wanted the questioning to stop. I was implying that by continuing to ask more and more desperate questions the questioners look more and more like Joe Hunts.

When wiser people realise they have backed the wrong conspiracy they shut up about it and move on to something else.
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May 1, 2011 10:48am
joana

Well you would know all about wiser people Pete..I am off out to the garden. Have a good day in Dunners.
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May 1, 2011 11:06am
Scott Hamilton

Fletch, you seem to fall for every silly conspiracy theory going. I remember you promoting Noel Hilliam’s bizarre claim that an ancient advanced civlisation of white people built cities all over New Zealand, and in the process embarrassing even your fellow postsers at the NZ Conservative blog. This birther/natural born citizen stuff is just as silly. If your definition of ‘natural-born citizen’ really had been accepted in the US, then Thomas Jefferson could never have been President. Nor could Andrew Jackson, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover, Chester Arthur, and James Buchanan. All of those folks had at least one foreign-born parent; Jackson had two. And if you’re going to say that Obama isn’t eligible to be President because he had a foreign-born father, are you going to be consistent and argue that many of the leading Republican contenders for the 2012 nomination should be disqualified? After all, Donald Trump has a Scottish mother, Romney has one foreign-born parent, and Bobby Jindal has two Indian parents. I do find it odd that you’re focused on the black guy…
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May 1, 2011 11:20am
Fletch

Scott, I still do believe that people lived here before Maori. The opinion that Maori were here first has only been perpetuated since the 1970s. In fact, a vote at the 2002 Archaeological Association Conference was split – 27 voted for and 24 against early human arrival. There was eventually a majority consensus that humans had brought rats to New Zealand in 100AD, but didn’t stay.

In the latest eLocal magazine they examine the early Waitaha people and their history. You also ignore the so-called “stone city” that was found in Waipoua Forest in the 1980s, and which contained material from midden dumps that dated 950 plus or minus 50 years. The public was forbidden to come and see and the findings there have been ~~hidden~~ embargoed until 2063 (why?)

As for the presidency – yes the founders were foreign born, but they are the only ones that law does not apply to (see the accompanying youtube video).

I do find it odd that you’re focused on the black guy…

Are you accusing me of racism? I guess that’s the only card you have left to play. I’m quite happy with a person of any color being POTUS as long as they qualify. I’d vote for Allen West (an African American Republican), as he’s a patriot and believes in the country. Unlike Obama, I’m sure he’d uphold the ideals of the Constitution.

According to the rules, it really doesn’t matter what heritage people have – who their forebears were, as long as they are American now. Is that too hard for you to understand?
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May 1, 2011 4:43pm
Fletch

I’ve said before, Obama has spent millions of dollars to hide his passport records, kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records and schedules, medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license and adoption records.

Why?

There’s no question he’s hiding something. No one knows much about his past, what he thought and wrote.
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May 1, 2011 4:50pm
Fletch

ps, the people defending Obama now and asking why we need to see this documentation, are the very people who demanded to see George Bush’s National Guard records, three years into his presidency (and who ended up with egg on their faces)
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May 1, 2011 5:02pm
Pete George

I’ve never demanded to see George Bush’s National Guard records.

So far there is a lot of evidence suggesting that Obama was born in Honolulu.
There is absolutely no evidence he was born anywhere else.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that many people want to find something, anything, that makes Obama ineligible to be POTUS. Why?
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May 1, 2011 5:57pm
Scott Hamilton

Like all conspiracy theorists, Fletch, you avoid the facts when they’re put in front of you. I gave you a list of Presidents from different periods of US history who had had at least one foreign-born parent. In reply you claim that ‘founding fathers’ were allowed to have foreign-born parents, but nobody else has been allowed to. Do you have any idea when Woodrow Wilson served as President? How about Herbert Hoover? Do you think these folk should have prevented from being presidents? If it’s OK for them to serve, and for folks with foreign-born parents like Trump, Romney and Jindal to throw their hats into the ring, then why pick on Obama? Nearly a sixth of the men who have served as President have had one or more foreign-born parents!

As numerous people have pointed out, Obama has not spent ‘millions of dollars’ keeping his birth certificate secret. Various Birthers have filed legal cases and lost them. Obama has nothing to do with the cost of these cases, which apparently comes to around $700,000, not millions of dollars.

You seem to be one of the last people on the internet still repeating Noel Hilliam’s nonsense about a massive sophisticated civilisation of white people existing in New Zealand thousands of years ago. You do know that Hilliam has been completely discredited, don’t you, after falsely claiming to have won a prestigious award last year, falsely claiming to have found a Nazi U boat full of gold, and collaborating with the bizarro New Age Waitaha cult, whose members claim to come from Outer Space? I ran through some of Hilliam’s fantasies here:
http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2010/11/dargavilles-media-should-honour-towns.html

The debate over the rat bones Holdaway found in the Hawkes Bay and dated as being around 1800 years old has nothing at all to do with Hilliam’s fantasies. The bones came from a kiore – a Polynesian rat. It may have been dropped off here by a group of visitors from Western Polynesia or Melanesia. It’s pretty pathetic evidence for a vast civilisation of ancient supwerwhites building observatories and megaliths.

No trained scholar has ever endorsed Hilliam’s bizarre ideas, and it is not true that scholars believed in a pre-Maori people up til the ’70s. In the late nineteenth and early twentieth century there was a view that the first inhabitants of these islands were a Melanesian people who were chased off to the Chathams by the ancestors of the Maori. This view was discredited in the 1920s by the publication of HD Skinner’s The Moriori People of the Chatham Islands. Skinner used linguistic, skeletal and cultural evidence to show that the Moriori were Polynesian, not Melanesian. More recently Lisa Matisoo-Smith’s testing of kiore bones found in Moriori sites on the Chathams has shown that the rats of the islands came from the northern South Island around the twelfth century.
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May 1, 2011 6:36pm
Pete George

This is one of the funnier ones.

Look at his face. Look at photos of Malcolm X.
There are many serious arguments that say Malcolm X is his father.

Of course it wouldn’t have been Martin Luther King.
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May 1, 2011 7:18pm
reid

This is a very good interview between Brash and JT/Willie.
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