General Debate 3 September 2011

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Steve

Smile if you were first this morning 🙂
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September 3, 2011 8:01am
Pete George

Find a NARK memorial location near you and drop off a small soft toy today between noon and 3pm today – event map.

STOP the Deaths from Child Abuse! NOW!

This memorial for our children who have died at the hands of someone who was supposed to be caring for them is simple,it does not cost BUT it will have huge impact.

I am asking you to spare 1 Toy/soft cuddly on September the 3rd and encourage everyone you can and know to do the same.

1 Toy to be placed at your towns local memorial statue or wall, in memory of our fallen heroes, the many children lost to child abuse.

Since our great soldiers passed there have been none other like them ever except for these Babies and I want a nation to accept awareness because for these children thats the very least we can be. AWARE.

Thank you and I really hope you can help.

Cherie Kurarangi Sweeney
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September 3, 2011 8:01am
dog_eat_dog

Alan Hubbard has died.
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September 3, 2011 8:05am
wreck1080

Another well intentioned child abuse campaign…. yet child abuse will continue increasing as long as the social welfare system supports it.

No one wants to take the hard choices in this country.
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September 3, 2011 8:08am
Other_Andy

@wreck1080

“Another well intentioned child abuse campaign…. yet child abuse will continue increasing as long as the social welfare system supports it. ”

And as long as the courts protect the perpetrators…….
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10749125
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September 3, 2011 8:16am
Monique Watson

Thanks Pete. What is happening in Dunedin to mark the Nark campaign? I disagree with the previous poster. Anything that highlights the plight of abused children is to be commended.
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September 3, 2011 8:17am
Pete George

Child abuse will continue as long as the people of this country allow it to. If enough people stand up and speak up and break their silence then the violent thugs and abusers will get the message that what they do is not normal and not acceptable in our society.

Ordinary people remaining silent does nothing to confront the problem, it does nothing to confront the perpetrators.

Speaking up is not the solution – but it is a significant part of the solution.
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September 3, 2011 8:19am
Pete George

Dunedin cenotaph in Queens gardens, drop off toys between noon and 3pm, speeches at 12.30pm.

Monique – is it a happy day for you?
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September 3, 2011 8:21am
Steve

Internet is slow today. With all of the RWC visitors here I hope the servers don’t crash, although it would not supprise me
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September 3, 2011 8:22am
Viking2

Allan Hubbard dies after crash

MMMM. Very suspicious. Can’t say much or everyone will get their knickers in a twist.
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September 3, 2011 8:35am
Viking2

Who owns Power co?

A Powerco operator is one of 13 New Plymouth people arrested following a covert police drug operation aimed at crushing the Rebels bikie gang.

Police say Garry Anthony Dewar, 39, a network operator for New Plymouth-based electricity lines company Powerco, is the Taranaki Rebels’ president.

Dewar is charged with stealing electricity, and cultivating cannabis and participating in a criminal gang.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5558590/Powerco-operator-gang-boss

And that’s not all.
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September 3, 2011 8:37am
Inventory2

@ Viking2 (8.35am) – it’s better to remain silent and be thought to be a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt

Just sayin’
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September 3, 2011 9:00am
Rodders

Contrast the “2’s” – Inventory2 talks sense, Viking2 doesn’t.
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September 3, 2011 9:03am
Scott Chris

Pissed Prosthetic Penis Pincher Pleads Pilfering Party Prank!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5548783/Drunken-sex-toy-burglar-jailed

The judge sentenced Gibbons to six months jail and ruled out the possibility of home detention.

Why?
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September 3, 2011 9:04am
Griff

What a joke the treaty process is giving land to IWI that actually had no claim on it at all.
Auckland was uninhabited when the white man arrived. No IWI could hold it because if they tried they would have been annihilated.
It was then sold to the government by tribes that did not posses it. Now we are giving it back to them.
Its about time these rorts were stopped for once and for all.

IWI have assets that belong to all of us these assets must be returned.
IWI do not represent any thing but there own self interest.

No more weight given to “oral” tradition. No more lies treated as true.
No more treaty bullshit no more one sided treaty tribunal.
No more Racist apartheid legislation.
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September 3, 2011 9:07am
wat dabney

Is the left facing another defeat?

“The island’s growing pro-freedom Resistance, a movement of brave activists who defend Cubans’ basic liberties and fight for democracy, is making gains that are impossible to ignore…The women were detained, beaten, and threatened, but vowed to continue their struggle for freedom. ”

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/08/30/guest-blog-cubas-pro-freedom-resistance-movement-is-growing/
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September 3, 2011 9:09am
rouppe

Another example of the stupidity our schools are descending to, and the nonsense the principals are spouting.

The principal and vice-principal should be immediately sacked, or at least demoted. Pretty soon we’re going to need a Ministry of Men’s Affairs to address this inequality
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September 3, 2011 9:11am
Viking2

Inventory2 (6,703) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 9:00 am

@ Viking2 (8.35am) – it’s better to remain silent and be thought to be a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt

Just sayin’

Guess you might give up your National Party blogging then> 😆
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September 3, 2011 9:12am
Viking2

Rodders (1,265) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 9:03 am

Contrast the “2′s” – Inventory2 talks sense, Viking2 doesn’t.

Depends on your perspective doesn’t it.

National Party cretins actually don’t add much to any debate. they are status quo status seekers.
Fail to change all in the need for power and control. Closet socialists both of you.
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September 3, 2011 9:15am
Rodders

Viking – must be the time of day for your “20 yr old” employees to bring the cup of tea & sedative.
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September 3, 2011 9:16am
joana

Why suspicion over the Hubbard crash? Mrs. Hubbard was driving. At her age she could easily have had a stroke or a heart attack.
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September 3, 2011 9:17am
joana

PG
A few children die of abuse each year , but what of all the aborted babies? They are children too ..some deaths are deemed to be atrocities , others are reduced to being ever growing figures..I think about 18,000 last year. Where is their memorial?
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September 3, 2011 9:20am
Viking2

OR?
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September 3, 2011 9:23am
Scott Chris

So Pete – what practical measures do UF propose in order to effectively address the child abuse problem? Raising awareness is preaching to the converted surely?

How will UF effectively change abusive behaviour?
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September 3, 2011 9:27am
Pauleastbay

V2

I think you have contracted Reditis – actually believing things you write have validity -ranting is not debate
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September 3, 2011 9:27am
wat dabney

“but what of all the aborted babies”

And by “baby” you mean “a cluster of cells” in the majority of cases, so by definition they were not “children” as you assert.
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September 3, 2011 9:28am
Rodders

Viking @9.23am appears to be unaware of the distinction between a cerebrovascular accident and a myocardial infarction. So is medicine the one subject he isn’t a self-proclaimed expert on?
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September 3, 2011 9:29am
Scott Chris

Mitchell and Webb’s “Diana Assasination”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4meFC1ee7Q
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September 3, 2011 9:35am
Viking2

Rodders (1,266) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 9:16 am

Viking – must be the time of day for your “20 yr old” employees to bring the cup of tea & sedative.

Funny you should mention that. One of them just been here.
We are helping her with accommodation,and helping her to achieve her goal of education.

And just to piss you off she Is a young Maori lass who has worked for us for over a year. Came from no job. via the Burnham training and on an employment scheme.
Kinda thing we do all the time and have for ever. ( Have two presently and will most likely have another one or two in the next two months.)
(Would have a young man if the work was young mans work but it isn’t. Though at our other business that will happen)

One of the politest and nicest young persons you could wish to meet, good at learning, great at singing, happy person. Absolutely doesn’t want to have children until she has a good relationship and can care for them.

That’s what you can do to make a difference when you own your own business. We could all do more if the stupid bloody politicians would get the fuck out of everyones lives and let us get on with it.

Oh and I hear all you old pricks moaning all the time about the young people who won’t work etc etc etc.
Well, I just have to say if its your responsibility to employ them then its your leadership that makes the difference.
Personally I would rather employ young trainable people than you old farts with bad attitudes, sore backs, inability to learn, know it all attitudes.

And as for those employed by others, then you haven’t even taken responsibility for your own lives so why the hell would you want to take control of others or tell me what to do??
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September 3, 2011 9:41am
Rodders

“Oh and I hear all you old pricks moaning all the time”

And that coming from Viking Meldrew, of all people.

@Scott – thanks for the link 🙂
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September 3, 2011 9:42am
Scott Chris

Joana – abortion is a very tricky issue, I agree. It is difficult to make a convincing moral argument in favour of the termination of a healthy fetus.

Perhaps in years to come, it will be commonly viewed as barbaric.
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September 3, 2011 9:44am
Inventory2

For the record Viking2, I am not currently a member of ANY political party, nor have I been since 1999. nor am I a cretin 🙂

Have a nice day!
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September 3, 2011 9:45am
nickb

Are poorly formed accusations of racism an excuse for the bashing of a rugby referee?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10749140

He said he did not condone violence, but believed the players were “provoked” into acting the way they did.

One player, 19-year-old Fonga, said the team were frustrated by continual red cards that he said came without any warning.

“The ref was one-sided. It’s because we’re islanders and they were palagis,” he said.
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September 3, 2011 9:46am
gravedodger

@ viking 2 8 35,
“MMMM. Very suspicious. Can’t say much or everyone will get their knickers in a twist”.

Over 5000 comments and that is another memorable contribution – NOT.

Mayby offering condolences to Wife , Family and the army of friends, associates and those who still regard the deceased as someone worthy.

Then again someone with as many brain cells as a fertilised egg that was probably maximum output of your intellect.

Iv2 was on the money, you certainly removed any doubt, if there ever was any.
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September 3, 2011 9:48am
Viking2

Pauleastbay (1,275) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 9:27 am

V2

I think you have contracted Reditis – actually believing things you write have validity -ranting is not debate

MMM well as far as I know there has been no announcement of any cause or medical condition that caused this accident.
So the questions remain open.

As for the ranting perhaps you should reread the piles of rambling stuff you have posted the last few nights. That’s not debate either neither is it valid. Its only your view through your lenses.
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September 3, 2011 9:48am
Steve

rouppe @ 9.11
“The principal and vice-principal should be immediately sacked, or at least demoted. Pretty soon we’re going to need a Ministry of Men’s Affairs to address this inequality”
Maybe the Mad Butcher should give Deb Hales a sausage for her effort. Loopy bloody feminist with no idea about Prostate Cancer
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September 3, 2011 9:49am
Viking2

Inventory2 (6,704) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 9:45 am

For the record Viking2, I am not currently a member of ANY political party, nor have I been since 1999. nor am I a cretin 🙂

Have a nice day!

Did I say you were?

You certainly promote the company line often.
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September 3, 2011 9:50am
Rodders

Re the latest conspiracy theory, as Victor might say “I do NOT believe it!”
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September 3, 2011 9:50am
Scott Chris

Rodders – You’re welcome.

Here’s Mitchell and Webb’s “Moon Landing”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw

🙂
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September 3, 2011 9:56am
Viking2

gravedodger (944) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 9:48 am

@ viking 2 8 35,
“MMMM. Very suspicious. Can’t say much or everyone will get their knickers in a twist”.

Over 5000 comments and that is another memorable contribution – NOT.

Mayby offering condolences to Wife , Family and the army of friends, associates and those who still regard the deceased as someone worthy.

Then again someone with as many brain cells as a fertilised egg that was probably maximum output of your intellect.

Iv2 was on the money, you certainly removed any doubt, if there ever was any.

Well you forgot to add to that list. The NZ taxpayer, the many who have lost their life savings and assets and so on.
I can imagine that there are plenty of them who don’t actually feel that charitable towards the deceased. ( and that doesn’t include me.)

And of course my first post was exactly on the money wasn’t it.
Just to refresh your memory.(although its less than 1.5 hours ago.)

Can’t say much or everyone will get their knickers in a twist”.

which of course is exactly what you and IV2 et al have done.

😆 😆
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September 3, 2011 9:58am
mikenmild

I see Griff at 9.07 off on his usual anti-Treaty rant. I especially enjoyed his line that Auckland was uninhabited when pakeha arrived. There’s a vacant section next door to my house. Perhaps I should move in and take it – after all it is uninhabited.
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September 3, 2011 10:01am
peterwn

Viking2 – Powerco is an electricity lines company owned by two offshore investors. Its area includes Taranaki – Whanganui – Manawatu – Wairarapa and I think a few other areas. It used to be predominantly owned by New Plymouth City Council and had its genesis as its Municipial Electricity Department. I think it was once stock exchange listed. Regarding the employee in question, his performance in the job must have been satisfactory or he would have been moved to less critical work by now. If his gang connections appeared above board an employer hould have little grounds for acting against the employee. I suspect he will be immediately moved to less critical work if not worse.
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September 3, 2011 10:01am
Viking2

Oh damm it.
does this headline cause you to think???

Jail for two Nathans directors sends a ‘clear message’
Shareholders’ group welcomes punishment imposed on ‘inept’ finance company chiefs.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10749071

If it doesn’t it should.
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September 3, 2011 10:02am
Viking2

So Nick Smith will be off on another taxpayer junket with Grosser and co to find another way to rort the taxpayer.

Cut Climate Confab Costs

The Carbon Sense Coalition today called on the Australian and New Zealand governments to boycott the UN Global Warming talkfest planned for Durban later this year.

The Chairman of “Carbon Sense”, Mr Viv Forbes, said that there was nothing useful left to discuss, so tax payers should be spared the costs.

“There are only two legitimate topics to debate in Durban – the science of global warming or the politics of the Kyoto agreement.

“Government climate mercenaries tell us at every opportunity ‘The science of global warming is settled’. They refuse to debate climate realists. Thus, according to them, there is no science to debate at Durban.

“The politics of Kyoto alarmism is equally settled. No one outside the Green Empire in UK, Europe and the Anzacs will renew Kyoto.

“Developing economies in Africa, India and China are never going to agree to carbon taxes and rationing that damage the aspirations of their millions many who still lack electricity. Others such as PNG, Indonesia and Brazil will participate only to the extent needed to rip off the gullible Green Empire by selling ephemeral ‘carbon credits’ to them.

“Thus the Kyoto deal is dead and there is nothing there to discuss in Durban.

“Almost every western government is guilty of massive overspending. Australia and New Zealand should reduce government waste by sending NO ONE to the pointless party in Durban.”

– Viv Forbes

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=702&sid=1affcf0bd9a7166f0c026a753fdbab4b&p=37165#p37165
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September 3, 2011 10:07am
Rodders

@Scott @9:56am – thanks again 🙂
“That Mitchell and Webb Look” had gone under my radar (have never got Sky myself as I suspected I would spend far too much time watching it if I did.) I have enjoyed David Mitchell’s deadpan humour on QI.
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September 3, 2011 10:09am
Viking2

peterwn (1,386) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 10:01 am

Viking2 – Powerco is an electricity lines company owned by two offshore investors

Thanks Peterwn.
Had forgotten all that stuff. Yep I guess he will be moved out of site.

Conspiracy theory could go like.
Chinese owned. Run by Triad connections. Triad connections with Rebels.

A bit of lateral thinking.
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September 3, 2011 10:14am
Rodders

Here is a photo of the Nick Smith Doll that Viking keeps on his desk at all times.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VoodooDoll
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September 3, 2011 10:21am
starboard

“Perhaps I should move in and take it – after all it is uninhabited.”

..so you do have brown blood…true to form , go and stake that claim.
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September 3, 2011 10:24am
Rodders

mornin starboard…how are ya?
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September 3, 2011 10:26am
Viking2

Rodders (1,273) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 am

Here is a photo of the Nick Smith Doll that Viking keeps on his desk at all times.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VoodooDoll

Nope. Fail.

Only girlies play with dolls .Something that you apparently are an expert on.

Now if you had a double ended one of Hulun and Cullen I could be invited to practice.
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September 3, 2011 10:35am
Monique Watson

It’s a happy day alright Pete. I got a Kindle. If Diablo 3 were to be released shortly my life would be complete.

Anyone explain the logic behind the apparent Housing Corporation decision that the Farmers Crescent women were allowed to stay because two of the houses were being demolished later in the year?
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September 3, 2011 10:36am
Rodders

V2 said “Only girlies play with dolls”
Depends on which definition of doll you use – http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=doll 😉

btw do you now appreciate the distinction between a stroke and heart attack (your “OR?” suggested you don’t)
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September 3, 2011 10:39am
starboard

livin the dream Rodders…
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September 3, 2011 10:44am
peterwn

Condolences to the Hubbard family. There now needs to be swift closure to the whole tragic episode. Members of his immediate family do not appear to be ‘culpable’ as such. It seems to me the Government should negotiate a dignified exit for the family. This could involve the Government coming to an agreement to purchase Alan’s estate for a few million dollars (and the family home) to be paid to his widow. The Government agencies can then ‘wrap’ his estate in the most expedient way, and the family can then get on with life. I doubt that even the most mean spirited creditor would wish to see the family continue to suffer while the mess is sorted out. This would also be the most economic way of sorting things out, just like the Government buying out SCF investors to facilitate the orderly liquidation of SCF.

There is a lesson here. As we all get older, we need to be prepared to let go of things. If a person is ‘blessed’ with the good fortune of running an empire, as Alan was, the person owes it to him or herself and to others involved to ‘wind down’ in later years and exit on a ‘high’ – then go out and enjoy life! By all means keep a few racehorses or potter in business enterprises, but steer clear of those where other people could get hurt if things turn to custard. Unfortunately because of human nature this is easier said than done.
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September 3, 2011 10:44am
KevinH

Ngati Whatua will be celebrating the historic return of land confiscated by the Crown, as well as their Treaty settlement, next week, Friday 9th, at Aotea, Shelley Beach, South Kaipara Head.
Any questions regarding Ngati Whatua occupation of Tamaki Makarau pre and post European settlement can be discussed if so desired, or alternately for the record, the Waitangi Tribunal Report 2006 is available at Auckland Libraries for those seeking information on Maori occupation of the region.
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September 3, 2011 10:46am
Tookinator

Anyone been watching the UK Police program on Thursdays called Motorway Cops?
Have you noticed how incredibly fat some of them are? (Watch on TVNZ on Demand.)

They seem to be going the same way a New York cops did.
When I lived in the UK they were all slim and fit, looks like standards have dropped.
There is no way these cops could chase a fleeing suspect!
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September 3, 2011 10:57am
reid

Another example of the stupidity our schools are descending to, and the nonsense the principals are spouting.

Yes I wonder what the media reaction would have been if a boy had done it at an all boys school and the cause was, say, breast cancer?

I imagine Walrus would be apoplectic at such an outwage. The editorials would call for not just immediate resignation but possible criminal charges for inciting sexist hatred, I would imagine.
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September 3, 2011 10:59am
Tookinator

@Viking2
Allan Hubbard dies after crash

MMMM. Very suspicious. Can’t say much or everyone will get their knickers in a twist.

I heard she was driving a BMW in a French tunnel at the time – unconfirmed rumour at this stage though…
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September 3, 2011 11:00am
lilman

Just finished reading papers,must say am gob-smacked.
Let it be known to the AUCKLAND BASED COMEDIAN,who was discharged after attacking sexually his 4 year old coming home from a night on the piss,I and my family have passed judgment also.
The penalty is that if I see you in my province that I shall proceed to inflict upon you a sentence that you will not like in the least.
I am not being to descriptive,but be assured that you will have wished that the judge was more representitive of the mainstream thinking on aceptible punishment.
On a brighter note am off to the rubgy tonight,and am thinking I might try a “TUI SNEAK”, I mean whats the worst that can happen?
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September 3, 2011 11:02am
Tookinator

According to Google Maps there aren’t any French tunnels in Oamaru so guess rumour unfounded…
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September 3, 2011 11:06am
Viking2

Doesn’t say much for your listening powers either.
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September 3, 2011 11:46am
kowtow

PG
NZers have not remained silent. They have been ignored by pollies and the media. 90% voted on this in 1999. We need direct democracy like the Swiss.Same with the Sue Bradford anti parent Act!

joanna Spot on about the 18000. Wat dabney. Nonsense, we are all clusters of cells.

griff. TOW.
Tattoed heads. Clever locals realise there’s a good market in these souvenirs. Sells tattooed slaves heads ,makes money, evryone happy. Roll on the guilt ridden late 20th C and now the heads are sacred and honkey is paying to get them back for their “rightful owners” and simultaneously we learn about how cruel and nasty honkey was to the “natives”.

nickb
I was wondering how long it would be to discover who was behind bashing the referee. And of course it was racism,everything is racist these days.We can hardly blame them for using that as an excuse our state institutions are constantly at it.
Who’d be a ref?
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September 3, 2011 11:54am
Viking2

9/11 colouring book offends Muslims

Saturday, 3, Sep, 2011 10:50AM

A children’s colouring book produced to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, has upset Muslims in the US.

They say the author is stoking Islamophobia by publishing “We Shall Never Forget – The Kids’ Book of Freedom”.

It depicts scenes from the World Trade Center attacks, for children to colour in.

One page portrays the killing of Osama Bin Laden, showing him cowering behind a veiled woman as a US soldier pulls the trigger.

Muslim leader say it’s hateful, inflammatory and completely inappropriate for children.

The author claims the first print run of 10,000 is a sell-out.

http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/news-story.cfm?content_id=817109

the religion of tolerance.
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September 3, 2011 12:04pm
Viking2

Jobs for the Boys at Last.

KiwiRail looks to move forward

Saturday, 3, Sep, 2011 6:24AM

KiwiRail says it’s moving forward, and needs new train drivers.

It expects there’ll be jobs for another hundred over the next couple of years, as new locomotives are put into service.

CEO Jim Quinn says by the end of next year, KiwiRail will have an additional 40 of them.

There’ll be a nationwide recruitment drive, and Mr Quinn expects plenty of interest.

“I think it’s every boys dream to drive a locomotive, it’s a pretty exciting opportunity and an attractive role,” he says.

It takes two years to become a fully trained locomotive engineer.
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September 3, 2011 12:05pm
Viking2

More concerning News for all of us.

Insurance companies win legal battle

Saturday, 3, Sep, 2011 6:22AM

Insurance companies have won a legal battle with the Earthquake Commission – meaning its bill for the Canterbury quakes is likely to jump again.
The EQC is liable for the first $100,000 of any claim, while insurance companies pick up the rest.
Around 110,000 Canterbury homeowners have been unlucky enough to suffer damage in more than one of the aftershocks.
The argument has been over whether the EQC has to pay out for each of those claims – or just the first $100,000 of damage.

The High Court has now ruled in favour of the insurance companies.

So that Means that the EQC has now got even bigger liabilities. Thats the surplus gone for another how many years.
Allan Bollard had better cut the interest rates asap.
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September 3, 2011 12:08pm
The Gantt Guy

It’s more than just dropping interest rates, V2. The other brakes on progress also need to be removed. Think of the RMA, Local Govt Act 2002, if the government were brave the Emissions Trading Scam and plenty of others. It will take more than lower interest rates to kick start the economy.
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September 3, 2011 12:17pm
reid

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/08/26/lawrence-solomon-science-now-settled/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/28/arab-spring-intelligence-disaster-scheuer

Green taxes throttling UK economy
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/266771

Austrian economics – why it matters. Fantastic analysis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7-LbLO5NPg&feature=channel_video_title

Social engineering in the 20th century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFskGTkW9m8

http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/583-archaeologist-egyptian-religion-forms-the-roots-of-jewish-christian-islamic-religious-tree.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42072469/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/lost-city-atlantis-believed-found-spain/%5DMSNBC%20Science%20Article%5B/url#.Tl6NDxwniqk
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September 3, 2011 1:02pm
yesjg

reid 1.02 pm

That has got to be the most informative blog ever!

Well done.
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September 3, 2011 2:07pm
Viking2

The Gantt Guy (14) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 12:17 pm

It’s more than just dropping interest rates, V2. The other brakes on progress also need to be removed. Think of the RMA, Local Govt Act 2002, if the government were brave the Emissions Trading Scam and plenty of others. It will take more than lower interest rates to kick start the economy.

Goes without saying Ganntt. But do you have any confidence that it will happen?
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September 3, 2011 2:09pm
The Gantt Guy

@V2, there’s only one party currently in the Parliament that comes close to being anything other than a pack of big-government-loving, tax-and-spend, central control-freak socialists, and they’re polling at 2%. The leader of our allegedly conservative (note the small ‘c’) government suggests there’s a long, yellow streak of socialism running up the back of every Kiwi.

Do I have any confidence that it will happen? Come off it, it’s the opposite. I have every confidence it will NEVER happen. New Zealand will continue its slide down the OECD rankings until finally, inevitably, it falls right off the charts and out of the “first” world.
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September 3, 2011 2:33pm
tristanb

A few children die of abuse each year , but what of all the aborted babies? They are children too ..some deaths are deemed to be atrocities , others are reduced to being ever growing figures..I think about 18,000 last year. Where is their memorial?

Joana, my morning shit and my bedtime wank waste more living cells than a simple abortion. Where’s my memorial?
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September 3, 2011 2:34pm
Viking2

No argument there Gantt.
What bothers me is that Act seem unable to grasp the point that ya have to sell your ideas. Ya have to make a noise.
In this day and age that means websites, facebook Google,Google circles etc etc.
They just ain’t doin it.

Too old perhaps?
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September 3, 2011 3:12pm
The Gantt Guy

Not sure whether they’re too old. I know they manage to make the current Liarbore rabble look coherent, organised and efficient. Factions? We don’t got not steenking factions.

I reckon The Don made a strategic blunder going straight for the treaty troughers when he took over; it ain’t 2005 any more. He should have focussed instead on National’s (quite frankly) fucking awful management of the economy since ’08 and their lack of any kind of a plan to get the economy back on track.

I think he also fucked up by hitching his wagon so firmly to the Quisling Key. He’s basically lifted ACT’s skirts and asked National to do their worst without even getting them to buy dinner first. Key knows ACT are on board, so he can pretty much ignore them (as he has done since ’08) and cozy up to (what should be) National’s enemies in the apartheid and watermelon parties.

I do think Banks will take Epsom (I think Colin Craig has fucked up by standing in Epsom instead of, say, Tamaki or North Shore), so ACT will have a place in the Parliament, but I don’t think they’ll improve on their current 5 MPs.
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September 3, 2011 3:21pm
nasska

V2

Sometimes ACT come across as having a death wish. You were spot on when you commented that they ignore modern communication channels & they find getting traction with the MSM difficult. There seems to be no one capable of putting together the big picture & laying it out in front of the electorate.

Come December & there will likely be only one ACT MP & he will be a arrogant recycled Nat who couldn’t even make it as a lacklustre mayor.

I reckon even Colin Craig’s conservatives could thrash them at the polls.
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September 3, 2011 3:33pm
kowtow

I reckon tristanb has just written his own memorial and a rather pathetic one it is too.
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September 3, 2011 3:38pm
j123

Whaleoil said a few weeks ago that the National Party list was going to be released today? Is this right or has it been delayed yet again……
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September 3, 2011 4:10pm
Nookin

Oh dear!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5558169/Legal-rights-activist-jailed.

It occurs to me that its a bit on the nose to call him a legal rights activist.
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September 3, 2011 4:14pm
nasska

Nookin

I can feel a long lecture from Water Woman coming to a blog not far away very soon.
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September 3, 2011 4:21pm
Nookin

Maybe. I think she may still be reeling after being tossed out of court a week or two back Third big set-back in as many weeks.
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September 3, 2011 4:27pm
reid

reid 1.02 pm

Thank you yesjg. Another bit of useless trivia is, in the first article, the author says:

“CERN is the organization that invented the World Wide Web”

but that’s not true, as I understand it. DARPA invented the www backbone and launched it on the world, because they wanted to get an unbreakable comms network in event of nuclear attack. The www has so many nodes it’s impossible to disable, even if you take out a major node like say NYC or London or Moscow or Beijing, you still have the network.

CERN invented the html protocol which transmits brilliantly mathematical calculations but is very weak on formatting. This is cause CERN scientists cared less about how it looked than what the data was which is why html has always been a rather poor cousin for entertainment-based information sharing which is what the day-to-day internet is.

Based on the thinking behind the US battle plan in event of multi-incoming nuclear launch detection which is to air-burst EMP devices all over the planet incidentally dropping every single non-hardened machine like say a passenger aircraft out of the sky, I predict the US also has a plan for the internet as well, in this event.

I suggest its reasonable to imagine the US command responsible for such matters may have another protocol up their sleeves, already installed and possibli already up and running, as well, just waiting to replace what we have, both to deny the enemy and to facilitate theirs.

Or is that being too cynical?
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September 3, 2011 4:43pm
Courage Wolf

The anti-Brash brigade are out in force today in the comments section on the Stuff website:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5559984/Brash-slates-National-says-NZ-under-threat
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September 3, 2011 4:47pm
DJP6-25

Scott Chris 9:36 am Thanks for the Mitchell and Webb sketches. A fun 40 minutes.

cheers

David Prosser
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September 3, 2011 4:51pm
DJP6-25

Viking2 12:04. I hope they sell millions of copies.

cheers

David Prosser
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September 3, 2011 4:59pm
Steve

It is only a colouring book available world wide
http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/femacoloringbook.pdf

I’m gonna print quite a few for my grandkids and their friends
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September 3, 2011 6:17pm
Steve

If NZ is going to win the Rugby World Cup they need commitment like this man. Yes he is the No8 as if you did not know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItPmdSpBamk&feature=player_embedded
Time to wake up All Blacks. Forget the women’s mags and the TV. Play the bloody game
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September 3, 2011 6:44pm
Viking2

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nasska (1,499) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 3:33 pm

V2

Sometimes ACT come across as having a death wish. You were spot on when you commented that they ignore modern communication channels & they find getting traction with the MSM difficult. There seems to be no one capable of putting together the big picture & laying it out in front of the electorate.

Come December & there will likely be only one ACT MP & he will be a arrogant recycled Nat who couldn’t even make it as a lackluster mayor.

naaska.

Unfortunately they decided that John Ansel was too right wing for them. He has to be the best political communicator around. Since they gave up on his adverts they have disappeared into the furniture. The first advert was one of many. Right idea as it needed to be said. Started controversy and started an amazing conversation educating people for the first time about the truth. It just needed to be followed up every week or 2 weeks with more on different subjects. Doesn’t matter if anyone believes it, likes it or not, it gets attention and traction.
Any publicity is better than none and ACT only need 10% to make a difference and 15% to make a change.
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September 3, 2011 6:52pm
Viking2

Steve (1,794) Says:
September 3rd, 2011 at 6:44 pm

If NZ is going to win the Rugby World Cup they need commitment like this man. Yes he is the No8 as if you did not know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItPmdSpBamk&feature=player_embedded
Time to wake up All Blacks. Forget the women’s mags and the TV. Play the bloody game

haha
McCaw said in the telly just now that they were going to do their best.
Doesn’t sound like winning talk to me.
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September 3, 2011 6:53pm
Steve

Well the feminazis get upset if McCaw says “we are going to kill them all”
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September 3, 2011 6:59pm
nasska

Brenda O’Malley is home making dinner, as usual, when Tim Finnegan arrives at her door.
“Brenda, may I come in?” he asks. “I’ve somethin’ to tell ya”.
“Of course you can come in, you’re always welcome, Tim. But where’s my husband?”
“That’s what I’m here to be telling ya, Brenda.”
There was an accident down at the Guinness brewery…”
“Oh, God no!” cries Brenda. “Please don’t tell me.”
“I must, Brenda. Your husband Shamus is dead and gone. I’m sorry.
Finally, she looked up at Tim. “How did it happen, Tim?”
“It was terrible, Brenda. He fell into a vat of Guinness Stout and drowned.”
“Oh my dear Jesus! But you must tell me true, Tim. Did he at least go quickly?”
“Well, Brenda… no. In fact, he got out three times to take a piss.”
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September 3, 2011 7:00pm
Scott Chris

Two Irishmen were adrift in a life boat following a dramatic escape from
a burning freighter. While rummaging through the boat’s provisions, one
of the men stumbled across an old lamp. Secretly hoping that a genie
would appear, he rubbed the lamp vigorously. To the amazement of the
castaways, a genie came forth. This particular genie, however, stated
that he could only deliver one wish, not the standard three.

Without giving much thought to the matter the man blurted out, “Make the
entire ocean into beer!”

The genie clapped his hands with a deafening crash, and immediately the
entire sea turned into the finest brew ever sampled by mortals.

Simultaneously, the genie vanished. Only the gentle lapping of beer on
the hull broke the stillness as the men considered their circumstances.

One man looked disgustedly at the other whose wish had been granted.
After a long, tension filled moment, he spoke: “Nice going idiot! Now
we’re going to have to piss in the boat.”
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September 3, 2011 7:27pm
nasska

As the growing list of evidence mounted against the defendant, a bloke stood up in court and screamed,

“HANG THE FILTHY BASTARD!!!”

Not really what you would want to hear from your Defense Counsel.
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September 3, 2011 7:30pm
adze

Reid – you’re confusing the Internet with the World Wide Web (easy enough to do). The Internet was indeed first created by DARPA (and later opened up to universities, and then the rest of the world). The WWW is actually quite recent in the history of the Internet, being created in 1989 by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN – all it is is a convention for referencing documents via hyperlinks on the Internet.
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September 3, 2011 7:35pm
nasska

An army Major visiting the sick soldiers, went to one private and asked, “What’s your problem, Soldier?”

“Chronic syphilis, Sir.”
“What treatment are you getting?”
“Five minutes with the wire brush each day.”
“What’s your ambition?”
“To get back to the front, Sir.”
“Good man,” said the Major.

He went to the next bed, “What’s your problem, Soldier?”
“Chronic piles, Sir.”
“What treatment are you getting?”
“Five minutes with the wire brush each day.”
“What’s your ambition?”
“To get back to the front, Sir.”
“Good man,” barked the Major.

He moved to the next bed, “What’s your problem, Soldier?”
“Chronic gum disease, Sir”
“What treatment are you getting?”
“Five minutes with the wire brush each day.”
“What’s your ambition?”
“To get the wire brush before the other two, Sir!”
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September 3, 2011 8:00pm
Viking2

by Chris_J | 02 Sep 11, 8:50pm

My goodness, how much is EQC’s liability now?

Just as a note, I spoke with a (private) insurance assessor today. He noted that one property he had, was assessed by EQC at $14k after Feb. The private insurance company assessed as a total loss ie about $240,000.

The issue with that is EQC have not done anything to resolve the discrepancy, so there’s another $100k plus EQC haven’t accounted for, how many cases like that are there? I’d say it’s a high number – 10-30,000 are probably way under estimated, it’s hard to say but from my experience it’s probably half of all claims that are at least thousands under estimated.

Now back to the multiple claims issue. Say we make some estimates for working out EQC’s extra liability. If we say 30,000 are overcap now (after June). 10,000 were overcap after September, and say 25,000 overcap after Feb.

Then if at September we had (remember these are just some estimates to gauge the extra cost):

3,500 at $100,000 plus GST = $115,000 which were a total loss

6,500 at $100,000 plus GST = $115,000 which were repairable

10,000 at an an average $50,000

10,000 at an average $10,000

Say at February

4,500 of 6,500 that were over $115,000 and repairable now total loss or ovecap again, so that’s another $115,000 for each of these.

The remaining 2,000 of those say had an average $70,000 extra damage.

7,500 of the 10,000 that had $50k had another $115k.

Say the remaining 2,500 of those had an average $90k (remember minimum extra was $65k)

Now say half the other 10,000 had another $115k and the other 5,000 were still undercap at an average of another $70,000.

Now say at June

Say 2,500 had another $115,000 and 4,500 had an average of another $60,000.

All a bit complicated but add all that up and…

the original $3.45b becomes

a massive $6.7b ANOTHER $3.25 billion

Now I reckon that the $7.1b was too light anyway, so that’s probably $9b anyway. Now throw in another $3.25b and we are at a GIGANTIC $12+ billion.

THAT’S ANOTHER $5+ Billion for the Government to pick up!!!

NZ Inc is officially broke!!!!!!!!!!!….

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/55191/businesdesk-eqc-faces-multiple-christchurch-quake-payouts-some-properties-high-court-rule
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September 3, 2011 8:06pm
The Gantt Guy

Many here will know Australia currently labours (sorry – bad pun) under quite literally the worst government in its history. One of the key planks of this pack of retards is their attempt to tax plant food (much like the retards who let Mad Nick Smith implement his ridiculous Emissions Trading Scam).

In the definitely “not Government Approved” camp is Menzies House. I just received an email from them – they’re hoping to start an online video campaign, starting next week with this video.

I think the Giltard government is in its death-throes. At worst, it will collapse in June next year when Andrew Wilkie kills it. At best, it will collapse next week. Personally, I think there’s about 6-8 weeks to go before Gil-tard falls prey to some horrible illness and steps down for her health.
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September 3, 2011 8:07pm
Steve

Sad News

With all the sadness and trauma going on in the world at this

moment, it is worth reflecting on the death of a very important

person, which almost went unnoticed last week.

Larry LaPrise, the man that wrote “The Hokey Pokey” died

peacefully at the age of 93. The most traumatic part for his family

was getting him into the coffin. They put his left leg in. And then

the trouble started.

Shut up. You know it’s funny.
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September 3, 2011 8:13pm
Viking2

Ya gotta be old to know that one. and yes its funny. 😆
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September 3, 2011 8:22pm
noskire

Is it me or is Kokila Patel another one of DPF’s “inside jokes”?
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September 3, 2011 9:14pm
TimG_Oz

About to settle in for the latest episode of Doctor Who. Hope you lot in NZ get it fast-tracked too, otherwise it might be yet another reason to move to Australia …
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