General Debate 4 April 2014

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ShawnLH

All right Reid, I’ll back off the ad hominem and accusations, right though I think they are, in the hopes that your conversations with others might drive some sense into you. Sometimes I let my emotions get the better of me. Bad habit.
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April 4, 2014 10:14pm
ShawnLH

There is some odd stuff being turned up by DNA research, including the very odd discovery of Jewish DNA in Cherokee Indians.
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April 4, 2014 10:16pm
Reid

It’s not a prediction of the future in any literal sense.

Really? I’m afraid I don’t agree Shawn. Have a look at David Pawson’s ‘Unlocking the Bible’ series of lectures on Revelations, it’ll probably be on Youtube, it’s just ended on Shine.

All right Reid, I’ll back off the ad hominem and accusations, right though I think they are, in the hopes that your conversations with others might drive some sense into you.

Shawn as I’ve said to others, I have two worldviews. Yours and the other. I happen to think the latter is more accurate than the former but the same worldview which drives your comments is one I had till 2002, so I know it well. I’m not saying I know what you think, I’m saying I know what your worldview is, because it was mine too. But then mine eyes were opened and the odd thing is, I haven’t lost anything in the translation. It’s a shame more people don’t try it, but I suspect they think they will lose something, but you don’t.
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April 4, 2014 10:21pm
ShawnLH

Yes, I have seen Pawson’s work Reid. It is interesting, but a lot of that way of reading Revelation was tempered by my theology studies through Otago, especially early church history.

Anyway, apologies for the Holocaust statement, that was uncalled for. At some point I will explain why I’m so passionate about this topic.
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April 4, 2014 10:23pm
SPC

Reid, you posted the hour long video from Ted Pike yesterday on GD (3.44pm) in which he associates Pharisee Jews (then Ashkenazi Khazars)and then later Zionism as the harlot. Are you saying that you never watched it, despite expecting others to do so to share the background knowledge that informs your opinion?

You claimed that Ashkenazi Jews were Khazars and when you cannot back this up, say it is not important. Well it is if you been arguing that Ashkenazi Jews are false Jews for not having ancestry in common with Sephardim Jews.

So I guess you will stop doing this … .
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April 4, 2014 10:24pm
Rowan

Stephieboy
Only ‘dead duck’ is the police case against David, sorry to disappoint you but you as usual are away with the faries

‘but most helpfully exposed big gaping holes in the David Bain narrative’

Only in the delusional mind of an JFRB nutjob like yours truly.
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April 4, 2014 10:26pm
stephieboy

Proceedings from the U S National Academy of Sciences

Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

Summary of findings from the Abstract,

“…….The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18733/
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April 4, 2014 10:30pm
SPC

Reid, Revelation is not prophecy, it is just a premised on a cyclical view of history. Empires rise and fall and those oppressed by them rejoice when they fall.

The end of history message is that all those who exercise imperial power (absolute power corrupts) will be judged for this abuse of power – accountable to God.

Revelation is a warning to would be Kings about accountability.
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April 4, 2014 10:33pm
stephieboy

Rowan,

Tsk,tsk,tsk

Now calm down.

Is a payout imminent.?

When and where precisely.?
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April 4, 2014 10:36pm
Reid

Reid, you posted the hour long video from Ted Pike yesterday on GD (3.44pm) in which he associates Pharisee Jews and then later Zionism as the harlot. Are you saying that you never watched it, despite expecting others to do so to share the background knowledge that informs your opinion?

I didn’t know that was Pike’s work SPC, the presenter didn’t look like him – how do you know it was him? I watched about 3/4 of it then didn’t finish it. And I agreed with everything I looked at to that point.

As far as that particular assertion goes, I haven’t decided what Rev says yet. It’s a very complex topic and I may not decide what it says to my satisfaction for many years to come. But if that is one of the many many assertions made in that video, then it makes provisional sense to me that it could be, but that’s all I can say right now.

You claimed that Ashkenazi Jews were Khazars and when you cannot back this up, say it is not important. Well it is if you been arguing that Ashkenazi Jews are false Jews for not having ancestry in common with Sephardim Jews.

I’m asking SGA WHY to YOU it’s important because I have no idea. As I said I’ve assumed Khazars are Ashkenazis and Shephardics are the tribe of Judah. That’s because that fits with my view that Khazars aren’t real Jews they’re Jews who say they are but are not and all the reading I do talks about Ashkhenazis – for example, illuminati, Ashkenazi, media, hollywierd, neocons, zionists, all Ashkenazi. If you’re saying there are 3 groups, Khazars, Askhenazis and Shephardics, then I’m mildy interested in your reasons but very interested in the significance. So if the Ashkhenazis aren’t Khazars, then who are the Askhenazis, and who are the Khazars, and what does that mean to this palpable, visible group we see who call themselves zionists? Who are they?

Reid, Revelation is not prophecy, it is just a premised on a cyclical view of history.

David Pawson disagrees SGA and I personally rank him as one of the very best teachers of the bible out there. That’s not to say he’s a biblical scholar, there’s a difference between a scholar and a teacher, but he’s a brilliant teacher of it and he would not get such a fundamental point such as you suggest wrong, and as I say, to him it IS a prophetic book.

Of course there are some in the church who don’t like it so some say it’s not prophetic because they’re frightened of its implications.
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April 4, 2014 10:39pm
ShawnLH

Reid, the Ashkenazis are just Jews, like the Sephardim.

Zionists are not a race. Zionism is a 19th-20th century Jewish political movement to create a homeland for Jews in Eretz Israel.
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April 4, 2014 10:44pm
Rowan

Tsk tsk yourself Stephi dunce.

Judith summed the situation up quite well in her earlier comment, shall I repost it for you, you are just like Muggins spreading shyte and misrepresenting the situation. As you are well aware there has been no decisions made and whatever the outcome of the case, whether he is or isn’t compensated doesn’t change the facts it just shows us like in the Thomas case that the police will never admit to stuffing it up and the justice in this country is a joke!

Judith (5,535 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 4:22 pm
@ Rowan (1,704 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

The compensation claim is still open, has not been finalised in any manner. Despite our learned friend (who is a legend in his own mind) fantasies, it would be extremely detrimental to the Minister to allow the claim to be in any other circumstance but still ‘open’. Should it be able to be established that she had made a decision, and had effectively closed the process and was not open to further knowledge etc, and despite on-going legal action, she would find herself in a great deal of ‘shit’ (not sure if that is a legal term) (the depth of which would be far greater than a glass of milk).
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April 4, 2014 10:47pm
ShawnLH

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/zion.html

The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.

Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.

Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism has come to include the movement for the development of the State of Israel and the protection of the Jewish nation in Israel through support for the Israel Defense Forces.

From inception, Zionism avocated tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions – left, right, religious and secular – formed the Zionist movement and worked together toward its goals.

Disagreements in philosophy has led to rifts in the Zionist movement of the years and a number of separate forms have emerged, notably: Political Zionism; Religious Zionism; Socialist Zionism and Territorial Zionism.
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April 4, 2014 10:48pm
SPC

Reid, it was Pike in the video, as he was when it was made back in the 1980’s.

Zionism is today commonplace amongst Jews, but originally Zionism emerged amongst European based Jews. Not the same as Ashkenazi Jews alone, as there were Sephardim in Europe.

As for Khazars, the extent to which they became assimilated into Ashkenazi Jewry or left descent amongst other groups is not easy to determine. They did not remain known as a separate people and the DNA trail is uncertain.
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April 4, 2014 10:55pm
SGA

Reid at 10:39 pm

“You claimed that Ashkenazi Jews were Khazars and when you cannot back this up, say it is not important. Well it is if you been arguing that Ashkenazi Jews are false Jews for not having ancestry in common with Sephardim Jews.”
I’m asking SGA WHY to YOU it’s important because I have no idea.

Well… I must confess, neither do I. I’ve obviously been sleep-blogging again and I have no memory of this exchange. Please accept my apologies for any angst I’ve caused you – it was not my intention.
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April 4, 2014 11:00pm
SPC

SGA, reid is schooling us in the alphabet, abc’s, of conspiracy theory.

Then has the temerity to ask why when anyone bothers to demonstrate that his conspiracy theory is full of holes.

My cynical side says he is being deliberately provocative with the Khazar nonsense and thus the questioning of those who critique his message is par for the course.
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April 4, 2014 11:06pm
SGA

SPC at 11:06 pm

SGA, reid is schooling us in the alphabet, abc’s, of conspiracy theory.

You’ve been pretending to be me again, haven’t you – you bastard. I wish you’d stop doing that. I’ve had to pay for DNA tests in three paternity suits already this year. I suppose you think it’s funny.
‘night all.
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April 4, 2014 11:11pm
cha

The originators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvi_Hirsch_Kalischer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_Alkalai
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April 4, 2014 11:20pm
Reid

Reid, it was Pike in the video, as he was when it was made back in the 1980′s.

I didn’t recognise him.

Zionists are not a race. Zionism is a 19th-20th century Jewish political movement to create a homeland for Jews in Eretz Israel.

Zionism is today commonplace amongst Jews, but originally Zionism emerged amongst European based Jews.

Yes, I know Zionism is a political movement. The connection is in my worldview, those Jews in the Illuminati are Ashkenazis. Rothschild for example are Ashkenazi Jews, so are most of those Illuminati families who are Jewish, like the Bronfmans, who own Time Warner, for example. Not all Illuminati are Jews but as far as I know, all Jews who are Illuminati are Ashkenazi. There are many Jews who are Zionists but who aren’t Ashkenazi but they dance to the Ashkenazi aka Illuminati tune, in respect to the Zionist agenda, which is set by the Illuminati.

I am only using the word Illuminati because it’s a word you recognise. They cover politics, media, finance, defence, academia. This is how they get the US to dance to Israel’s tune, because the Zionists set the agenda, control the message, control Congress in respect of the Israeli agenda and control academics. For example, see my link to Shelden Adelson on his interviews with the candidates for the next president of the US. I guarantee it will be one of them, my current pick is Jeb Bush. But they often surprise. Also as another example, see how they got Walt Meishem and the other guy kicked out of tenured jobs for daring to expose their influence.

This is not to mention what they do in Israel.

That’s how it works at 100,000 foot level. I told you yesterday IMO their objective is to destroy Israel. I said above they overlay the people just like the Nazi’s overlaid the German people and the commies overlaid the Chinese and the Russians. Incidentally the Bolsheviks were Ashkenazi Jews as well. Look it up.

Ashkenazis are the people who walk down the street and make you get out of their way. They give other Jews a bad name. That’s who they are and because they’re highly intelligent they get into positions of power in societies and control the messaging. So no-one can criticise them and if they ever are they scream the holocaust meme to the rafters.

That’s it in a nutshell.
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April 4, 2014 11:22pm
SPC

SGA, I suspect that when one crosses one conspiracy theory with another the confusion, as to the truth of it all, just multiplies.

No one is any longer the paternal father of truth and thus we are all complicit in some lie. Unless when we can offload blame onto some “woman” who had a ride.
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April 4, 2014 11:23pm
SPC

Reid, I tend to see the idea of a singular group active organising the world and its development/change a little far fetched.

It seems to parallel earlier beliefs that natural events were acts of god and the rise and fall of nations in relative power was the work of God to punish the wicked (as if the wicked were the militarily weak and the real offense was to be without military power). As if to be associated with god was to have power in the world, or to deserve to have power, and if others of a different way were in power this was to be demonised as some perverse conspiracy against the righteous.

It’s a fatalism as to either God and the righteous or the other being dominant at the time. It’s a prophecy ride of an analysis of current events.

That Jews have been weak and subordinated under Assyria/Babylon and then under Rome and Christendom and Islam, and now are equal in secular society and have their own nation state does not make them the world ruling power. That Jews connect with each other and also inter-act when they can with power brokers in the wider society, is what there is as to truth of their place in a now more secular world.

Jews being involved in political developments of recent centuries and now active in support of Zionism might concern Christians and Moslems who do not support Zionism and who would prefer a polity that did not allow Jews any influence.

But the absence of this preference is not Jewish dominance or evidence of some conspiracy.
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April 4, 2014 11:46pm
Sonny Blount

cha (3,475 comments) says:
April 4th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
Brendan Eich was a victim of a market where people can choose to express their opinion by refusing to do business with companies who employ people they disagree with. Unfortunately Brendan Eich’s employers decided their customers were more valuable than he was.

Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

Conflating OkCupid with Mozilla’s customers is a big mistake
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April 4, 2014 11:52pm
Reid

Reid, I tend to see the idea of a singular group active organising the world and its development/change a little far fetched.

The evidence is there when you look at it SPC, same as the evidence is there for 911 being a bunch of bollocks and JFK being killed by people other than LHO.

Reid, I tend to see the idea of a singular group active organising the world and its development/change a little far fetched.

No God is always dominent, He’s permitting His-story to run its course, just as He has predicted it will. If you’re waiting for Him to step in and stop the evil, forget it, He’s not going to do that, that’s our job. Why do you think I bother to tell people what I already know? Why do you think anyone who publishes this stuff does that? Why waste our time? Because the only thing they fear is knowledge of their plans, because we’ the people are the only ones who can stop them. God isn’t going to. And He’s prophesied we’ll fail. But why do you think they’ve introduced all that surveillance and big brother stuff esp in the States but also in the UK? Why? I mean, police in the US now run round in APC’s. Why? Legislation is enacted, waiting in the wings, all the trappings of a 21st century police state with none of the mistakes and shortcomings of the Gestapo and all the lessons learned since then is now, right now, today, in place.

Look it up.

No conspiwacy. Fact.

Question to you is, why is it all there, just waiting?

That Jews have been weak and subordinated under Assyria/Babylon and then under Rome and Christendom and Islam, and now are equal in secular society and have their own nation state does not make them the world ruling power.

Gah. Why do you think they dominate US politics and its foreign policy? THAT is what Iswael a world power. I mean, FFS, get it through your skull. THE LEADERS OF ISRAEL AND THE US ARE NOT REPEAT NOT REPEAT NOT ACTING FOR THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN, THEY ARE ACTING FOR OTHER POWERS WHO HARBOUR NOTHING REPEAT NOTHING BUT MALEVOLENCE FOR THOSE TWO PEOPLES. PERIOD.

This means, duh…

Zionism as previously explained seeks to DESTROY not protect, the Jews.

As I have said about a million times, why does Israel constantly do things which are brutal and antagonistic. The entire global community baring a billion or so useful idiots who can’t see past the western zionist propaganda are of the opinion. This is not because those 6 billion are all anti-semitic, it’s because they have, like you do, the innate sense of justice humans are born with and they can see whose right and whose wrong. And yet Israel, without cause, because it’s not under threat, time and time and time and time and time and time again acts brutally. I repeat, without cause. The only repeat only people in the entire world who hallucinate it HAS cause, are the billion or so useful idiots under the spell of the western zionist media.

If you don’t think that’s the reality, in that if you think non-westerners don’t think like that, then look it up. And ask yourself why all of them would think like that and yet, in the west, your fellow travellers are the only ones who don’t. Why would that be? Propaganda? Really?
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April 5, 2014 12:12am
blondewithaniq

@Griffith…. that moonbat following that you decry have increased by such a percentage since the previous mayoralty race I suggest you treat them with a little more respect.. John Boscawen for all his money not leading the Incestuous Act party..
John Banks who also dismissed them will be precisely where he should be in May again, because he didn’t either. Meanwhile John Palino not ‘minded’ well enough even by a Master like John Slater is where?

Nowhere to be seen? 2014 not the year for Johns as predicted… One more to go!
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April 7, 2014 11:17pm
griffith

respect for moonbats
I give them the same respect i give wingnuts.

This 😆
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