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Keeping Stock

Global warming eh?

‘Nuff said…
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July 13, 2017 8:06am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  3 downticks already! Climate alarmists must have shit the bed.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:13am
  - ztev
    
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    Call your national MP and tell them the whole government is heading in the wrong direction, ever since Shipley signed up to Kyoto.
    Go ahead, surely the rest of national must see you are right?
    
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    July 13, 2017 8:30am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Picking up the bat-phone as I type Z
      
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      July 13, 2017 8:36am
      - ztev
        
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        The twat phone?
        
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        July 13, 2017 9:14am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        If that is the network you are on, it explains your posts here
        
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        July 13, 2017 9:58am
    - KevOB
      
      National being pragmatic will shift in the right direction. If it turns colder shortly as many are now predicting seeing that the sun has turned some radiation off the ETS will be turned off too.
      
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      July 13, 2017 9:22am
      - ztev
        
        Im sure the Minister for Climate Change, will whip off her truck stop apron and see to it.
        
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        July 13, 2017 10:15am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      ETS was a price we had to pay to gain less fettered access to international markets, and there was some cause for concern at the time it was instituted.
      
      But the tide is swinging against it as more and more satellite + ARGO buoy era temperature data accumulates and icecap loss steadfastly refuses to accelerate – (groundwater abstraction in India alone adds more to the sea level than polar melt). Data now unequivocably indicates that temperature rises caused by CO2 is not going to be catastrophic. Particularly with rapid rise of Electric Vehicles and cheap PV electricity. And higher CO2 has lifted global agricultural output considerably – staving off a lot of conflict and starvation in the 3rd world.
      
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      July 13, 2017 9:40am
      - ztev
        
        Why arent there more commentators like you here UNc ?. Able to make interesting and coherent points
        
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        July 13, 2017 10:24am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Which category do you include yourself in?
        
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        July 13, 2017 11:19am
      - Gruffydd
        
        What a load of bullshit.
        
        Here mate some real world data for you not WWWfactspulledoutyourarse.com .
        
        Satellite data ?
        Grace satellite mass balance.
        Antarctic.
        https://www.princeton.edu/news/2015/04/30/gravity-data-show-antarctic-ice-sheet-melting-increasingly-faster
        Greenland.
        http://polarportal.dk/en/groenlands-indlandsis/nbsp/total-masseaendring/
        
        Global temperature satellite
        ttps://www.americanwx.com/bb/uploads/monthly_2016_12/RSS_TS_channel_TTT_Global_Land_And_Sea_v04_0.png.c1fed5e5a53e195413b229d86ba958f5.png
        
        Argo
        http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/global_change_analysis.html
        
        We just signed up to Paris or did you not know ?
        Over the last two years national has tightened up the ETS considerably.
        http://www.mfe.govt.nz/climate-change/reducing-greenhouse-gas-emissions/new-zealand-emissions-trading-scheme/legislative
        
        Hello KB community living in a fantasy world is not a good idea.
        
        One day you will have to wake up.
        
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        July 13, 2017 4:53pm
      - Shawn Herles
        
        “The Pause in Global Warming Is Real, Admits Climategate Scientist”
        
        http://climatechangedispatch.com/the-pause-in-global-warming-is-real-admits-climategate-scientist/
        
        “Three Brand New Peer-Reviewed Papers Refute IPCC Global Warming Science, Climate Models!”
        
        http://notrickszone.com/2016/03/28/three-brand-new-peer-reviewed-papers-refute-ipcc-global-warming-science-climate-models/
        
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        July 13, 2017 7:00pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Remember gibbering about Antarctic sea ice ?
        Ops
        http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
        
        No triks zone ?
        
        Loved the one Climate change is caused by earths magnetic poles shifting.
        Haven’t seen that piece of fuckwittery before.
        
        Meantime back in the real world .
        http://unfccc.int/paris_agreement/items/9485.php
        
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        July 13, 2017 7:43pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  No. “Climate Change.”
  That way, you can have a bet both ways.
  
  It also gives you the ability to pitch “wild weather” as “climate change.”
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:40am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Could do with a bit of that GW right about now.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:40am
- Simon
  
  Hottest July on record.
  
  Good science dictates that anomalies like last week and well this week are evened out. It has been a barmy July otherwise.
  
  The July statistical heat wave is a useful reminder everyone who works needs to pay more tax and only then can the seas heal.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:43am
  - Inandout
    
    Last year was a similarly late winter.
    
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    July 13, 2017 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Global warming , like July , is barmy.
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:47am
  - Scott
    
    Hottest July on record? As we speak here in the paradise of Masterton it is 5° and feels like 1°.
    
    It’s full winter man!
    If there is global warming then it is not apparent to anybody in Masterton right now 🙂
    
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    July 13, 2017 11:33am
- Lance
  
  Let me guess
  If it’s cold global warming is a joke
  If it’s hot then it’s just weather.
  
  Same old same old
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:54am
- Peter
  
  In warmist world, all weather is a sign of global warming.
  
  If it is cold – global warming
  If it is warm – global warming
  If the weather is remaining very stable, indeed – global warming
  
  You will know global warming has “reached the point of no return” and “we will all fry” when you are buried neck-deep in a snowdrift.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:56am
- CJames
  
  The power demand has gone through the roof. Over 6000MW for most of the day.
  http://www.em6live.co.nz/PriceImpact.aspx Almost all the power stations are going flat out in the North Island (including Whirinaki) yet they can only send 100MW south. Lucky there is plenty of diesel and coal available. If the greens had their way, there would be a lot more power cuts now. I don’t here the advocates for solar talking much.
  All those whining Flick customers will be paying through the nose – $8 a unit and $10 down south today – I bet they never realized there was a downside to market forces.
  
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  July 13, 2017 6:08pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    Meh
    Those power prices just keep going up.
    I run solar and battery’s who cares what you poor sods are paying on the grid.
    
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    July 13, 2017 6:36pm
    - CJames
      
      I do hope you have been running on solar the last couple of days, other wise you would be a hypocrite.
      
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      July 13, 2017 8:13pm
Happychappy

So Barry Coates has thrown the Green campaign into dissaray and James Shaw has had to step in to limit the damage.If the air wasn’t tense afty the teletubbies comments on Sunday about Winston Cloates has open the wound even deeper by insinuating that the Greens would force another Election if Labour formed a Government with Winston First. Interesting days ahead with the Greens trying to commit Political suicide to get their way.
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July 13, 2017 8:07am
- Keeping Stock
  
  How can the 9% party force another election? The Greens seem to have a highly inflated opinion of their own relevance and influence.
  
  This is a dummy-spit par excellence by Barry Coates. Winston will be loving it!
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:16am
  - holysheet
    
    The real concern here is that there is a group of dumbarse voters out there that add up to 9% of the population. Can they not see after these continuous disasterous announcements, that the green vote is a wasted vote?
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:01am
    - AJP
      
      9% is not really concerning to me. I call this a small misguided minority.
      I’m more concerned with 25% of morons still voting for Labour.
      
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      July 13, 2017 9:34am
      - Gabby
        
        Leaving 75% of morons voting nashnil.
        
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        July 13, 2017 1:00pm
  - Liberty
    
    The Greens don’t have any relevance. But are just as much as King Maker as NZF.
    Because it will take three parties to form a coalition.
    Now we have an imploding Labour party with its two leaders. Is going to
    Attempt to form a coalition with parties who detest each other.
    They are in dreamland.
    If by some faint chance a coalition is formed.
    How long would Winston put with being 5th fiddle
    along with a little problem he will have with his current deputy.
    
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    July 13, 2017 10:31am
- oldgolfer
  
  Barry?
  Yes.
  James here.
  James?
  Shaw.
  Oh, right.
  Christ, Barry, what have you done?
  Me?
  Yes, you, cloth ears. I said, did I not, that this was not to be mentioned. Not in public. Not on Facebook. And what do you do?
  But –
  Don’t bloody but me, Barry.
  Now I have to go on red Radio and try to explain all this.
  Look, James, I really meant that…
  Be quiet, Barry. God, sometimes. Look, I’ve got to go; I’m due on air.
  Okay, James. I’m sorry…James?
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:22am
  - Happychappy
    
    Barry Coates and his sidekick the bright penny obviously out of the same political mould no free trade deals and very big mouths for small people.
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:01am
- artemisia
  
  Mr Shaw has closed the issue down quickly, though not very convincingly. But enough to have it fall off the radar.
  
  Cracks in the facade though following on from Ms Turei’s comments. Mr Shaw better get the wallpaper paste out PDQ.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:31am
  - holysheet
    
    The old CO-boat is well and truly sunk. The arguments amongst the greens as to their crew has been fun. Tubby turei was always going to be pushed overboard to make room for the more slimmer active ones.
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:11am
  - VicParking
    
    I’m supprised the MSM gave it any traction.
    
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    July 13, 2017 11:03am
- Peter
  
  They make Labour look fit to govern.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:35am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Even Jane Fonda can’t make them fit enough to rescue that Muppet show.
    
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    July 13, 2017 8:39am
- peterwn
  
  Greens cannot ‘force’ an election. Jenny Shipley wanted to call an election in the late 1990s after falling out with Winston but the Guv refused saying he wanted to give parties a time to sort an alternative government. This Jenny did with the help of some defecting MP’s in particular Alamein Kopu. While the Greens may appear cohesive it is only because James Shaw has kept his trap shut. If the Greens (especially the ‘red’ faction) push their luck too far the party could split if there is another ‘melting pot’ situation.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:21am
  - srylands
    
    It would be excellent to see the Greens split into two parties. One led by Shaw with an environment focus, and the second becoming a communist party. The Shaw Party should easily get 5+% and could then form a coalition with National.
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:28am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      That almost, only almost mind you, sounds attractive when compared to the alternatives!
      
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      July 13, 2017 10:02am
      - srylands
        
        Personally, I think it is more attractive than the alternatives, including the one deployed currently.
        
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        July 13, 2017 10:31am
Inandout

The Greens might force another election if Labour and NZ First team up, and leave them out. Such threats virtually rule out Labour winning (if they ever had a chance), but shows the Greens in a new light.
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July 13, 2017 8:07am
- Rachael Membery
  
  They should make more revelations, ritual suicide surely?
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:11am
- nasska
  
  The Memorandum of Understanding is looking a bit frayed around the edges.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:15am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Memorandum of ~~Understanding~~ Confusion.
    
    Sloppy work Mr Hillbilly. You’re better than that.
    
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    July 13, 2017 8:19am
- ex-golfer
  
  Their sense of importance is sickening.
  A party that polls around 9% and has never been near Government should not be entitled to hold the country to ransom……but this is the type of shit we have to put up with in the crazy world of MMP.
  
  Meanwhile the silent majority who get on and work hard, paying taxes and only having kids when we can afford them get screwed over by the lazy and feckless.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:19am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Yes. I was a political campaigner for the introduction of MMP back in the day and boy, was I wrong!
    
    MMP must be one of the worst things that’s happened to this country politically with all the the fragmentation that it has produced. Its too late to go back to sanity of course…. oh fuck….
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:42am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You are one of the few folks to admit they voted for MMP.
      
      Is it too late to demand STV?
      
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      July 13, 2017 10:20am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes, sadly, I don’t think any more changes will be mootable for a couple of generations now.
        
        I think there was going to be a review or a referendum on MMP after a couple of MMP elections which was conveniently ignored and forgotten about… is that correct?
        
        Anyway, its a fuck up and I sincerely regret having supported it.
        
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        July 13, 2017 10:37am
      - ztev
        
        Few folks to admit ?
        
        How many referendum have we had were MMP wins each time ?
        2 when it was indroduced and another 6 or 7 years ago.
        
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        July 13, 2017 10:39am
    - KevOB
      
      Wait till after the election. We may need to change if MMP cannot produce executive material. Wispy ideologues are useless in Cabinet or being responsible for a portfolio.
      
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      July 13, 2017 3:09pm
- peterwn
  
  This is what Cam Slater over at Whaleoil is banging on about. He seems to be throwing his weight behind Winston to deal with his ‘pet’ issue as well as to deal to National for being ‘Labour Lite’. He has made the fundamental assumption that Winston will not get into bed with Labour/ Greens and that the Greens would never talk to National. However this would greatly reduce Winston’s bargaining power. Winston will I am sure talk turkey with the Greens if at least to put pressure on the Nats. Winston’s nightmare is the Greens holding discussions with National since it reduces his bargaining power and means he cannot take his time over things and go fishing for a few days after the election as he did in 1996.
  
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  July 13, 2017 12:13pm
Paulus

Why should I pay the Auckland Herald to read pages from the Washington Post or the like.
If I want to read the Washington Post, Bloomberg, CNN or the New York Times I can go on line.
The Herald proves once again how desperate they are to fill the pages.
Can’t be too long before they go under following the Fairfax scams.
And they think they are still more clever that the public, shown by their circulation drops – there are still many free copies to be found to help make up the numbers – circulation is their possible readers not the actual papers produced !
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July 13, 2017 8:07am
- holysheet
  
  Serious question, If newspapers all go under, what will the chip wrappers use to wrap their chips in?
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:05am
  - ex-golfer
    
    Ask Jacinda – she’s the expert is such things
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:21am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I don’t know about that, I understand she was on the chicken salt, wrapping being a skilled position . . . . .
      
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      July 13, 2017 10:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    http://friarspride.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Hook-and-FIsh.png?x36418
    
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    July 13, 2017 10:21am
  - Fletch
    
    My local fish n chip shop uses blank newsprint paper. Doesn’t have to have anything printed on it to stop the escape of heat and leaves your hands nice and clean 🙂
    
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    July 13, 2017 11:18am
  - MickMac
    
    Butcher paper again…
    
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    July 13, 2017 11:32am
- KevOB
  
  It probably signifies common underlying ownership. Stuff is just as bad.
  
  Who owns Red Radio?
  Who owns TVNZ?
  Does Murdoch have shares in either?
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:26am
- ztev
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  You dont get it do you ?
  
  They dont want you, advertisers see your demographic as ‘wasted space’
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:29am
  - lifesgood
    
    What an idiotic comment. You don’t get it, do you? How many vote Labour as a matter of interest?
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:44am
    - sooty
      
      If the herald did not print false news and shit, it would only be three pages thick and who would buy that. They have to print shit or fold!
      
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      July 13, 2017 10:10am
      - VicParking
        
        As it is their on line version has to repeat each story three times to have enough copy to rap around the advertising.
        
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        July 13, 2017 11:06am
      - KevOB
        
        Just like the NZ Truth of which Whale Oil was its last editor.
        
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        July 13, 2017 3:12pm
- peterwn
  
  NZ newspapers have always ‘borrowed’ from overseas newspapers, so I do not see that as a problem. That provided a useful news service in the pre-internet days when accessing overseas titles was effectively out of the question.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:55am
  - KevOB
    
    But could they not pass on anti Trump opinion piece fabrications with glee.
    
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    July 13, 2017 3:13pm
Lance

Be interesting to see if the Green’s can come back from such a colossal cockup
Load, aim – fire… through both feet
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July 13, 2017 8:09am
- Pateke
  
  I think of the Muppet Party in terms of Fire! Aim! Ready!
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:53am
  - Liberty
    
    There is a resemblance to Miss Piggy and Kermit
    
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    July 13, 2017 10:38am
Paulus Gnome

Got to understand the bias of an author in the chip wrapper to actually get to the nub of the article:

‘This is the slowdown we’ve all be hoping for, so maybe we should be thanking the Chinese central bank for doing their bit. Having said that, we should be a little worried as well.

On the other side of the coin, the high cost of housing is almost entirely to blame for much of the inequality and poverty issues we face today.’

Mark Lister is Head of Private Wealth Research at Craigs Investment Partners’

So if all houses were 6d, we could end world poverty this afternoon, let me know how that pans out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11889842
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July 13, 2017 8:10am
Paulus Gnome

Only in ‘stralia!

Funny moment with ‘man taking fridge on train’ A smile for a frosty Thursday once one gets past the annoying ‘I will never buy their shit’ ad.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11889657

Go the cuzzie bro’s!
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July 13, 2017 8:12am
- RalphT
  
  We can expect to see a follow up article about the cost of housing forcing people to live on trains.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:17am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  And the miserable jobsworth pinged him $250, seig heil!
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:42am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    He apparently should have bought the fridge a ticket, then it would have been all good.
    
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    July 13, 2017 8:54am
    - VicParking
      
      Maybe he needed it incase he wanted to bash a truckie
      
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      July 13, 2017 11:09am
EAD_TWO

Yesterday Itstricky bought to my attention a lengthy article in the Hooorald by so called “Investigative Journalist” Kirsty Johnson titled “How NZ’s growing alt-right movement plans to influence the election

I’ll save you the detail of the article but in short, a reporter creates a fake Social Media account and watches conversations of people on Facebook and Reddit and notice that they plan to create “memes” in order to highlight their cause.

She then notes “Two significant events” have occurred being Auckland University European Students formed briefly and after a witch hunt quickly disbanded, and that Winston Peters signed a picture with a cartoon frog on it (I kid you not!). She also notes the “Hobsons Pledge” and how this pledge has similarities to “Neo-Nazi” policies.

She then (rather accurately) notes that the 2 main concerns of the Alt right are the deliberate policies that are reducing Whites to rump minorities around the globe and Cultural Marxism which she describes as:

a conspiracy theory that claims Marxists infiltrated the west to destroy Christian values and replace them with feminism, multiculturalism, gay rights and atheism.

. (I would say the proof is in the pudding on this one – hardly a “conspiracy theory”!)

She then meets a Chinese student who to her shock, identifies as part of the alt-right:

Chen describes himself as fascist and an ethno-nationalist. We ask how that works, given Chen is Chinese. He gets asked this a lot.

“It means I support people’s rights in their own country. So as an ethno-nationalist [in New Zealand] I have to go out and support Europeans,” he says.

“People get confused because I’m not white. They think [alt-right] is exclusive to neo-Nazis, but it’s not.

After all the hypoventilation and faux outrage at a small group mainly confined to the internet, she never stops to think critically. For example

– Does she ever for examples think that perhaps people like Chen moved to NZ because they liked the Anglo Saxon way of life and that by bringing in vast quantities of foreigners is going to change that what makes us so desirable in the first place?

– Does she ever stop to think that what she regards as extremist (people wanting to live in a society amongst their own type) has been the nature of human existence for most of time and in all pretty much non-white countries remain that way? It is only in the last generation that we’ve seen such normal positions being labelled as “extremist”.

Oh how I would love to be able to write a riposte to Johnson’s article in the Herald. Odds of that happening…………..somewhere between Zilch and nada – can’t allow the poor readers to hear such “hate thought” in their Brave New World! 🙂
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July 13, 2017 8:16am
- EAD_TWO
  
  To borrow part of an Irish Savant article – I’d like to thank the Herald for giving our movement some free press:
  
  http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2016/08/the-alt-right-comes-of-age.html
  
  I can just imagine the dilemma facing the Editorial staff of the NZ Herald. On the one hand they knew that any mention (no matter how negative) of the Alt-Right would provide it with a massive publicity boost. But they also had come to believe that it – we – had become too influential to ignore. How I’d love to have been a fly on the wall as the reptiles fretted over this dilemma.
  
  The fact that they chose the attack option underlines how far we’ve come. Our greatest weapon, nothing else even comes close, lies in opening the minds of a critical mass of White people to the existential attack our civilisation is undergoing. How it’s taking place, the identity of those waging the attack, why they’re waging it, and what defeat would ultimately mean for Whites. Remember the words of Sam Adams “It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds”.
  
  The pivotal issue is whether these developments are too late. Demography is destiny with the USA and several European countries now close to the tipping point. Then again as Lenin observed – and he should know – “There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.”
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:38am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Chen is quoted, “It means I support people’s rights in their own country. So as an ethno-nationalist [in New Zealand] I have to go out and support Europeans.”
  
  I think that Chen and others like him are your natural allies. Chen understands the concepts “respect local customs” and “when in Rome.”
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:44am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Indeed – a good standard to live ones life which Chen probably abides by is when a guest, leave a place exactly as you found it (see below)
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:22am
- KevOB
  
  Keep the American disease out of NZ.
  
  Is this the work of Labour’s activist PR team?
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:30am
- Kabull
  
  Her naivety was demonstrated by her claim that “the Auckland University European Students Association appeared on campus at Orientation Week. Although it quickly disbanded amid accusations of racism and threats to its (unidentified) founders …”
  The founder appeared on TV and gave a very intelligent explanation of what the group was set up for, and emphatically denied that it has any racist intentions. Yet Ms Johnston either missed this or conveniently ignored it because it doesn’t fit her motive.
  
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  July 13, 2017 10:23am
- Dave Mann
  
  A very good post, EAD_TWO, thank you.
  
  As an aside, I would urge anybody reading this who is concerned about the increasing Maori stranglehold on our democracy to visit Hobson’s Pledge, read what their aims are and give them a donation/sign up for the newsletter.
  
  http://www.hobsonspledge.nz/
  
  P.S. No they are NOT racists. They are working for a society in which everyone is treated EQUALLY, regardless of their ethnicity.
  
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  July 13, 2017 10:45am
  - KevOB
    
    Hobson’s Pledge are working again the revisionism surrounding the Treaty of Waitangi.
    
    My ears grunt when I hear Red Radio say ko…ho. The latest folly. Thy have no idea of mixed language use: how inappropriate it is and that it belongs to the ignorant of both languages. Also they mispronounce the superfluous add-ons. Kiwi speak ho as hou; Polynesians are very fussy about vowels and if they wanted a diphthong they would have written it. Same with ko pronounced as kou, which I heard this morning, or koe; a real accented Kiwi may extend to koi.
    
    English does not need extension with Maori: the Treaty does not require it nor is the English language or its learning enhanced.
    I am familiar with a Polynesian language being properly used with passing English phrases inserted to fill it out.”I mean to say..”. “That is…”
    
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    July 13, 2017 3:38pm
- VicParking
  
  She has to make a quid somehow. The failing newspaper matches her intellect level perfectly.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:12am
- Paulus
  
  The so called poor readers comprise the large majority who would never buy the Herald for one reason – they cannot read.
  That’s education for you.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:16am
thedavincimode

FRONT PAGE NEWS
In breaking news, nzherald is able to reveal that winter’s hammer blow will strike Auckland today, where there will be no snowfalls. There will be some wind and nearly 4 mm of rain is predicted. (Only 96 mm less than might be expected during a rainy afternoon on the West Coast!!)
Thunder and hail possible. It appears that this weather will affect anyone who ventures outside. Overnight temperatures will plummet to 5C.
A file photo of a heavy rain cloud over Auckland city emphasises the seriousness of the situation.
Anyone observing any weather should immediately contact nzherald. Otherwise, please remain calm and parents and teachers should remind children that due to the extreme conditions, there should be no running in school corridors.

UPDATE
Hail possible in Northland today.
Further details as they come to hand.

SHOCK HORROR EXTREME UPDATE
“Trifecta of trouble” – heavy snow, gales, 10m waves slam NZ.
(Reader discretion advised. Please keep your pets inside when reading this.)
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July 13, 2017 8:16am
- thedavincimode
  
  UPDATE FROM STUFF
  
  This winter weather has now been upgraded to “withering”, reporting the strongest winds in Cook Strait for seven months (which would seem to be last summer – it now being mid-winter).
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They’ve still got the “withering storm” headline up on the Stuff website.
    
    I wonder if English is a 3rd or 4th language for their webmasters?
    
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    July 13, 2017 11:35am
    - KevOB
      
      The witterings of the ceaseless Stuff writers.
      
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      July 13, 2017 3:41pm
- Zapper
  
  Here’s my highlight from an article yesterday. They engaged an expert to tell us:
  
  “The fact it is falling inside Christchurch is indicative it was really cold at the time when it fell,” Zammit said.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:42am
Keeping Stock

The hypocrisy of social media was there for all to see last night. Check out some of the “terms of endearment” directed at Paula Bennett:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4V-Pj8j7oU8bUFzaEgzQVJlLVk

Now sure, Paula Bennett polarises people. But can you imagine the outrage, on Twitter especially, if right-leaning people said of a female Green or Labour MP “why can’t she do the world a favour and drop dead?”

Aspiring Green MP and refugee Golriz Ghahraman has been outspoken on Twitter about the level of abuse directed at female public figures in particular. I asked her last night if she was going to condemn these remarks. Oddly, I have yet to receive a reply; funny that!
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July 13, 2017 8:29am
- Swifty
  
  Nobody does nasty like the left.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:38am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed. There’s all this propaganda about the political Left being above that kind of thing, but those on the Left have shown they are as likely to descend to gutter politics as anyone.
    
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    July 13, 2017 8:46am
    - Swifty
      
      More likely in my experience.
      
      My observation over the last decade or two, is that the more a person’s argument is based on emotion the more likely they will resort to smears and name-calling when things don’t go their way – and I see and hear far, far more emotion-based arguments coming from the left than the right.
      
      An example? You and I almost never name-call, but I see ztev doing it more frequently these days. 🙂
      
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      July 13, 2017 8:58am
      - srylands
        
        ” but I see ztev doing it more frequently these days.”
        Yes. He call me an idiot yesterday! 🙁
        
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        July 13, 2017 9:33am
      - Swifty
        
        srylands – saw that, uncalled for.
        
        The pressure must be getting to him/her/them.
        
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        July 13, 2017 10:12am
      - Frank Thomas
        
        Hmmm….. I wonder who gave you the solitary downtick?
        
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        July 13, 2017 11:01am
    - Ed Snack
      
      As likely, no way, far MORE likely. Hatred is the natural emotion of the left, after all.
      
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      July 13, 2017 9:49am
    - KevOB
      
      For over 50 years the left have done nasty, gutter, reckless and evil. I have even had faeces in the household letter box as a former parlimentary candidate.
      National Party people are much better mannered.
      
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      July 13, 2017 3:47pm
  - MCos
    
    Some of the comments here are right up there. Starting with the first one.
    At least nobody wished death on any of the Green Party list.
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/final_2017_green_party_list.html
    
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    July 13, 2017 8:59am
- SGA
  
  The hypocrisy of social media was there for all to see last night. Check out some of the “terms of endearment” directed at Paula Bennett
  
  Oh, I don’t know, Keeping Stock. Kiwiblog’s “terms of endearment” for people they oppose are fairly robust. As well as the standard comments on their looks, weight, sexual habits, drinking habits, honesty, and intelligence, I’m guessing that you could probably find instances of someone at sometime using the idiomatic “drop dead” or similar if you looked hard enough.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:03am
- ex-golfer
  
  No surprise Keeping Stock.
  The reason personal attacks like this are almost exclusively from the left is that they seem to always have plenty of time on their hands.
  
  So they wander around the echo-chambers of Facebook and Twitter and attack from the safety of their keyboards (probably sitting in Government supplied houses using internet connections paid for by the likes of you and me).
  
  They think they are oh so powerful and strong – cowardly keyboard warriors all of them.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:28am
  - SGA
    
    Oh, the irony 🙂 🙂 🙂
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:29am
- Gabby
  
  That’s just banter, it’s how Puller’s people kid each other, they’re all old m8s.
  
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  July 13, 2017 1:12pm
MrTips

For some reason, just watched (whilst on holiday) Rimmer vs Jack Tame on breakfast TV 1. Topic: parents having kids for the benefit lifestyle and ACT’s policy on that. Rimmer made sense and spoke well, must give him credit for that.

But good Lord, that Jack Tame is a smug chardonnay swilling bleeding heart progressive prat is he not? And he took Rimmers answers as a personal insult and got snippy. And then Shriekin Shillary Barry chimed in with her own nastiness. Pathetic the pair of them and totally out of touch – probably never had beans on toast either of them.
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July 13, 2017 8:40am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Is there any wonder that the show’s rankings have tanked, despite the so-called “dream team” in charge?
  
  I vowed and declared when Paul Henry pulled the plug last year and when this year’s One and Three lineups were announced that I would give breakfast TV a miss. Thus far, I have, and I don’t miss it.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:49am
  - Lance
    
    Mark Richardson on TV3 is the only bright spot in an otherwise dower pantomime.
    Watching TV1 will either give you high blood pressure or brain damage. It should come with a health warning
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:02am
    - Frank Thomas
      
      Don’t watch!!!!……it just encourages them……
      
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      July 13, 2017 11:06am
  - Gabby
    
    And your breakfast choochoo doesn’t miss the big tunnel now.
    
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    July 13, 2017 1:14pm
- dime
  
  but think of all the times hillary saved us! i know this cause a herald wrote an “article” on it.
  
  jack tame – could he be more piss weak?
  
  if he had half a brain he would lurch to the right. be the next hosking… not the next bitch that he is
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:46am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    not until his balls drop and he stops squeaking he isn’t becoming the next Hosking, and even then I don’t rate his chances
    
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    July 13, 2017 10:16am
- Gabby
  
  Fucking beans on toast.
  
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  July 13, 2017 1:13pm
Odakyu-sen

When I hear someone proclaim that, “The Alt-Right are…” I am always certain that the speaker is from the Left.

Is the term “Alt-Right” one of the Left?
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July 13, 2017 8:59am
- Swifty
  
  I’m yet to hear what it’s supposed to mean.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:03am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The Left (and the marketing fraternity) often use words that have the opposite meaning. I think Orwell had a term for this. “Doublespeak”?
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:06am
    - Swifty
      
      Yeah, I’ve noticed that.
      
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      July 13, 2017 9:11am
      - ztev
        
        Yes Trump or
        козырь, as hes known in Moscow has the fake news phrase all sewn up.
        Since Donny Jnr pre released his emails himself they couldnt call them fake, so its ‘fake interpretation’
        
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        July 13, 2017 10:35am
      - Jack5
        
        Is Trump known as “козырь” in Moscow? Could you elaborate on that please, ztev?
        
        “Козырь” means trump in the card-playing sense.
        
        Is Ztev implying the Russians call him “goat”? That’s a different word altogether, “козёл.”
        
        Pussy Riot’s Nadya Tolokonnikova says in a video on Youtube this is one of the Russian words Americans should know under Trump. But she adds that козёл is how many Russian women refer to their husbands when talking to others – “my goat”.
        
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        July 13, 2017 3:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We can wait until Stephie-boy returns.
    It was his favourite epithet for many of us here.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
    He had to back-track when I challenged him about using it as code for neo-Nazi, though.
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:10am
    - holysheet
      
      What do you mean, when stoooopidboy returns?
      I didn’t know he was MIA.
      
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      July 13, 2017 9:18am
      - RalphT
        
        Struck out (made an improper suggestion relating to the use of KY jelly); but don’t worry, they’re allowed back tomorrow so the fun and games can resume…
        
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        July 13, 2017 9:47am
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “I’m yet to hear what it’s supposed to mean.”
    
    The term was supposedly coined by Richard Spencer who was one of the founders of the original Alternative Right blog (but has since left to form his own group) and it originally referred to a wide variety of people on the conservative and libertarian right who believed that mainstream conservatism had sold out, failed to conserve anything or prevent the growth of nanny state, and tended to roll over and surrender the second Liberals and their media lapdogs yelled “racism” or “bigot”. Spencer has since narrowed the term and insists that it can only refer to people and groups who believe in white nationalism/separatism, race realism, and anti-Semitism. Conservative civic nationalists who reject those ideas are called alt-lite. There is another group called Neoreaction which is often put in the alt-right tent, but that is extremely debatable. In-fighting over what the term should mean has been an ongoing issue.
    
    In a sense there has always been an “alternative right” in the West opposed to or critical of the mainstream right. In the US this centered around the Paleconservatives and people like Patrick Buchanan, and in Britain around people like Roger Scruton and Peter Hitchens.
    
    So what and who the alt-right is is not simple. There is a very wide variety of groups who are critical of the mainstream right, and tend towards varying degrees of traditionalism and/or nationalism. I do think Spencer’s version can reasonably be called refried neo-Nazism, but there are many groups who are absolutely not neo-Nazis or fascists in any way, shape, or form, and any use of the term by the msm, liberals and leftists should be treated with a great deal of suspicion.
    
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    July 13, 2017 3:56pm
- Peter
  
  I don’t know many people who call themselves “alt -right”. I think it’s like “neolib”. A phrase used by the left, which essentially means “Nazi”.
  
  Apparently, white men asserting anything in their own interests is “Nazi”.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:14am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Speaking of “the alt-right”, is Stephieboy on an enforced lay-off?
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:27am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Libtard terms translated
  
  Alt-Right = fractionally right of centre (believes in free speech, self-responsibility and domestic security, the rule of law)
  Liberal = screaming lunatic (unable to even hear any viewpoints that disagree with the inane socialist tenets that have been drummed by wrote into their heads)
  Activist = violent psychopath (will carry out any crime, without remorse and without the slightest hint of self-awareness if carried out against anyone of a differing viewpoint)
  Neo-nazi = any centre-right spokesperson (particularly any individual who speaks out against the hypocrisy of the Left successfully)
  Far-right = moderate (in sander days would have been described as belonging to the political centre)
  
  The insanity of Leftist identity politics (aided and abetted by their PR wing in the fake news MSM) has driven a form of ‘hyperbole inflation’ for political propaganda terminology that has rendered so many terms meaningless to the general public.
  
  Sane people now have been taught that the lying cheating whores in the MSM will call anyone who isn’t an ultra left-winger either ‘Alt-right’ or ‘Nazi’ or ‘Neo-nazi’ or ‘hate-speech monger’ or ‘far right’.
  
  These are no longer insults, they are not believed, they have been rendered meaningless through dishonest over-use by the untrustworthy. Look at how “Depolorable” has become a badge of honor for moderates.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:41am
  - VicParking
    
    Alt-Right = Narional
    Liberal = Labour
    Activist = Greens
    Neo-nazi = NZ First
    Far-right = Act
    
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    July 13, 2017 11:21am
- Fletch
  
  I think Hillary made the term popular. The Herald was complaining yesterday that the “alt right” in this country are planning to “influence the election”.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11888810
  
  My elderly mother asked what it was. I told her it’s a term that Hillary made popular which generally means smearing those on the right as being white, nationalist, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-feminist etc.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:24am
- KevOB
  
  I believe so.
  
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  July 13, 2017 3:49pm
Colville

So compare and contrast, in the last 24 hours..

Nats announce some “employment pathways” bullshit yeah yeah trying to get “at risk” kids into jobs. Kinda sounds worth a crack but I think its been done before. Just a quiet $50Mil

But..
Labour announce a “Baby Bonus” they want to pay people $60/week more of my money to have more kids. Fuck me running. Just what NZ needs is more kids reliant on state handouts. Retards.

But the Maori Party announce..
I still havent worked out if this is a pisstake or not..
IwiRail !
Yip that is right. A govt funded (coz we know they wont dip into settlement funds for it) reopening of some closed tracks for scenic train journeys! Yip so the Maori Party wants to run a train company. Instead of say showing some leadership about say Maori crime? or Maori drug use? or Maori unemployment? how about poor Maori education? or how about that world leading (hey they are good at something!) Maori bashing their kids to death statistic. A fucking train company!

Right. That is my smoko done. Back to earning taxes!
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July 13, 2017 9:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I sincerely hope it’s not a pisstake
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94652559/iwirail-maori-party-want-mothballed-tracks-reopened-in-regional-nz
  
  As of today – The Maori Party – have my vote.
  (I am a fickle, floating voter)
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:17am
  - Colville
    
    I just checked..it seems to be straight up. $350 Mil !
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:19am
  - Nookin
    
    Good morning Maggie.
    When I was last up in that neck of the woods (not that long ago), there was talk of the Napier/ Wairoa line being reopened in order to transport logs. They were only going to do that one or two days per week. My gut feeling is that a track from Napier to Gisborne would be well utilised. It would probably be very beneficial for tourism as well.
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:40am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The Wairoa to Gisborne part is prone to very bad slips which wipes track out and closes the line.
      It’s just not economic to keep fixing it.
      There’s talk of turning it into a cycleway.
      Rail from Napier to Wairoa is doable though and that will carry a lot of logs.
      
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      July 13, 2017 10:14am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Nookin, a rail track from Napier to Gisborne would be just like it was, rarely used and a white elephant to maintain. The tourist traffic on the route might justify 1-2 small trains a week. Not that it isn’t a pleasant route in a way, done it myself just before the line closed, but I can’t see where a lot of demand might come from. It doesn’t lead anywhere that you can continue on without a car (or a bus maybe) so tourists are most likely going to go there and back, and what’s so interesting about Gisborne that one can reach on foot that many people would want to go for ?
      
      As for freight, there’s the Fertilizer load – that’s one train a week, Logs, maybe a train or two a day at best and it’s one way traffic to Napier (Gisborne port is too shallow for fully loaded ships). Other freight, maybe a couple of containers a day of Fruit/Produce/Meat.
      
      So really, well short of an economic justification for restoring the rail line. Maybe they could make a go using it as a cycling “rail-trail”. It’s a bit hilly maybe, a goodly climb out of the Esk Valley to get up past Tutira and several other long climbs, but not steep.
      
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      July 13, 2017 10:27am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Did you get to stop off at Raupunga for a punch-up?
        
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        July 13, 2017 11:41am
      - holysheet
        
        Why cant the logs be taken by barge from Gisborne to Napier? Keep the trucks off the roads.
        
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        July 13, 2017 12:40pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      When I first arrived here (3 years ago), I was not too convinced about the economics of restoring the railway. The husband has always been for its revival.
      
      However in the last few years I have become more acquainted with some of the farming, forestry, tourism and horticulture activities around here.
      The potential for growth on the land and in this climate is as good as you can get anywhere in the world. Growers need to get their produce out to buyers…. The port is full-on every day loading logs and (in summer) squash. The roads out are diabolical (Waioeka Gorge out all week, at the moment).
      Rail makes sense…
      
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      July 13, 2017 10:41am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        It really doesn’t. Loading and unloading and added transport time are big costs, and the additional loading operations that rail requires (often need a truck to bring the goods to the rail, and also a truck to take them away from the rail) make it mostly uneconomic aside from a few primary industries with concentrated points of production/use.
        
        Autonomous trucks are going to make rail even less attractive, and maintenance costs for little used rail destroy any potential for competitiveness. NZ has pumped billions into uneconomic rail over last 2 decades, when it could have made a far higher return by ripping up the rails and selling off the land.
        
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        July 13, 2017 11:31am
  - RalphT
    
    We won’t comment. Last week you were voting Labour so we know this flirtation will be brief and tomorrow you will move on again.
    
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    July 13, 2017 10:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I admit I am cheap, but I am willing to sell out to the highest briber.
      
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      July 13, 2017 10:29am
      - Paulus
        
        The so called poor readers comprise the large majority who would never buy the Herald for one reason – they cannot read.
        That’s education for you.
        
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        July 13, 2017 11:20am
- KevOB
  
  Maori have had enough money to buy their own rail company.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:34am
  - ex-golfer
    
    They also have enough money to support their youth into work – but that would mean less for the Brown’ocracy………………..so easier to force the Government to spend more of taxpayers money instead.
    
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    July 13, 2017 12:01pm
- VicParking
  
  Why dont they come out and use their settlement money to buy Kiwi rail. Then they can piss it way real quick and come back for more.
  Did not account for inflation since 1856.
  Mind you back then a blanket could buy you a half an acre now the cheap asian crap can’t evan keep you arse warm.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:27am
- Fletch
  
  Is this part of the railways that Cullen bought back for $690 million?
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:33am
Rachael Membery

How come James Shaw was allowed to speak on behalf of the Greens?
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July 13, 2017 9:11am
- Colville
  
  As he is a straight white male I am amazed they even let him into the Party!
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:17am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Token white male? Maybe it was too early for Meteria
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:36am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      No she hadn’t finished her meal yet
      
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      July 13, 2017 9:44am
      - RF
        
        Please not so early in the morning. I have this vision of a trough full of slops and grunting / squealing noises.
        
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        July 13, 2017 10:09am
  - kowtow
    
    Cos he’s vertically challenged?
    
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    July 13, 2017 12:29pm
Stars And Stripes

Call for answers after NZ man dies in Japan hospital
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/335007/call-for-answers-after-nz-man-dies-in-japan-hospital

Few stories floating around this morning about some guy who went nuts in Japan and died in the funny farm after being strapped to a bed for ten days.
However what caught my eye was this little gem from the story:
“The fact that Kelly was here … to try to help international relations, trying to teach Japanese children English, and then he’s just dying in this kind of outrageous circumstances that would never happen in New Zealand should be an embarrassment to Japan.”

So he was selflessly living in Japan just to help with international relations, not working a job and getting paid nicely to do it.
What bullshit.
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July 13, 2017 9:15am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Japanese care for the mentally ill is much more
  – Authoritarian
  – 1950s-like (men in white jackets)
  – The only English speakers are likely to be Doctors
  – The staff will follow hospital procedure rigidly
  – Cannot cope with anything not conforming to Japanese cultural norms (God help them cope with a crazy gaijin…)
  
  Kelly must have been out of his mind to go to Japan with a pre-existing mental condition…
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:41am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Japan runs like a precise, intricate machine, but beware of this beauty. If you stray off the social path or trip and fall, you are likely to end up in the mechanical cogs and mechanisms of Japanese society and be ripped to pieces (and make quite a mess of your surroundings in the process).
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:44am
    - dime
      
      sounds dreadful
      
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      July 13, 2017 9:48am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Enjoy the marvels, but don’t stick your fingers into the machinery.
        
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        July 13, 2017 10:00am
  - lifesgood
    
    Whoever employed him must have been out of their mind or weren’t they given the full story. People with mental conditions should not go to live in an alien culture where they have to struggle to adapt. His family should also take some responsibility. And he was just chasing big bucks, not being an heroic aid worker. Japan doesn’t need aid workers.
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:51am
    - MCos
      
      From what I understand he was an English teacher, not an aid worker. Perhaps Odakyu-sen can help out, but I’ve heard English is not widely spoken in Japan, so it could we be quite a handy occupation.
      
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      July 13, 2017 10:54am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        MCos is right.
        Although all Japanese children are taught English t school for at least 3 years, their level of competency is very low.
        With more adult Japanese studying abroad, the English language levels in major corporations is improving.
        At least there is road signage in English in Japan. English is still not widely spoken, but the Japanese are sympathetic to it.
        
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        July 13, 2017 11:02am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Kelly must have been out of his mind to go to Japan with a pre-existing mental condition…
    
    That must be one of the classic insights of the 21st century! Very good!!! 😀 😀 😀
    
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    July 13, 2017 10:59am
    - KevOB
      
      People are attracted to foreign countries to work, One of my grandsons has married a Japanese lady and is working in Japan as well as in NZ.
      One needs to expect and respect that there will cultural differences and practices but that does not make any anyone bad. If you settle somewhere you take what’s available. Everyone is trying to do their best as they are aware.
      
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      July 13, 2017 4:00pm
  - Gabby
    
    Well he was.
    
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    July 13, 2017 1:21pm
- cha
  
  What bullshit
  
  A young man lost his life, most likely as a result of the barbaric practices used and you go out of your way to sneer at his grieving family.
  
  You really are a piece of shit.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Would you let your child, if he had a serious psychotic condition and needed medication to go alone to any country by themselves.
    
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    July 13, 2017 11:33am
    - cha
      
      FFS, he had a well medicated bi-polar condition, not a serious psychotic condition.
      
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      July 13, 2017 11:49am
      - lifesgood
        
        He had a serious psychotic condition when he stopped taking his medication…as people with bi-polar often do. His grieving family are blaming everyone but themselves and trying to make out he was on some sort of mercy mission to Japan.
        
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        July 13, 2017 3:48pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    I really could not give a toss what you think cha but yeah if you go to the other side of the world to earn big bucks already having a diagnosed mental condition before you leave and things go pear shaped don’t moan about your treatment and try and paint yourself as some kind of hero who was only helping humanity because it is not true and if you find those opinions uncomfortable tough.
    
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    July 13, 2017 11:57am
    - MCos
      
      Japan is hardly a third world country.
      If someone was to follow your advice a bloke with any sort of preexisting health condition wouldn’t go anywhere.
      From my observation the worst preexisting condition you can have while in a foreign country is stupidity.
      
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      July 13, 2017 12:21pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Yeah well NZ is not a third world country either but people in mental institutions die in this country while popping out for a cigarette so we are hardly a model for treatment standards.
        Die by all means but just don’t bloody smoke.
        
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        July 13, 2017 12:34pm
    - Gabby
      
      Oh say can you see he’s not painting himself anything what with being dead and all, Old Whorey.
      
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      July 13, 2017 1:24pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      In the West, people are relatively more comfortable discussing mental illness and associating with people with mental conditions.
      However, not all the world feels this way. Many times on KB, the cultural taboos of Polynesian towards psychological conditions has been brought up. Japan (like Polynesia) shares many of those attitudes.
      While you in New Zealand might feel quite nonchalant about travelling overseas with a medicated mental condition, most Japanese would be horrified at such recklessness.
      
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      July 13, 2017 1:58pm
EAD_TWO

Anyone noticed that when they read Stuff’s “world section” there are 2 section headings for American stories?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world

“TRUMPS AMERICA” &
“AMERICAS”

“Trumps America” is basically a section devoted exclusively to Trump hate and “America” has a sizeable portion of stories related to Trump with pretty much the rest being USA general stories with the odd Canada/LatAm story added in for balance.

Can you imagine if during Obama’s reign they had a section called “Obamas America” filled with Murders in Chi~~congo~~cago, Black Lives Matter Riots and Obamas day to day bumbling?

The furore and faux outrage would be deafening. But then again Trump is a straight, successful, non-cucked, charitable, alpha white male. Apparently the most evil being of all time according to the MSM.
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July 13, 2017 9:15am
- VicParking
  
  Ones real news ones Fake. Guess…….
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:34am
- Gabby
  
  non cuck soccer.
  
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  July 13, 2017 1:25pm
Inandout

And the beat goes on….

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-officials-overheard-discussing-trump-associates-before-campaign-began-1499890354

Clinton Foundation had very lucrative dealings with the Russians, but the media keep the lid tight on this. Not rumour, not unnamed officials, just fact.
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July 13, 2017 9:16am
big bruv

I note that some UK hack has written a piece bemoaning the fact that the late Rick Parfitt of Status Quo fame has left an estate of only 230,000 pound. The writer bangs on about Parfitt living a hedonistic lifestyle and implies that Parfitt has failed in some way because of the
size of his estate.
Well as far as I am concerned Parfitt has just about timed things perfectly, why the hell would you want to die with millions in the bank? Spend it, blow it and live as hedonistic a lifestyle as you can afford then when the time comes, die with as little as possible unspent.
Excuse the pun but Parfitt got it dead bloody right.
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/music/status-quos-rick-parfitt-only-left-%c2%a3230000-after-blowing-his-fortune-on-rock-star-lifestyle/ar-BBEgRQH?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=ientp
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July 13, 2017 9:19am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Agreed big bruv. It reminds me of George Best’s immortal quote:
  
  I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:24am
  - Longknives
    
    “In 1969 I gave up women and alcohol – it was the worst 20 minutes of my life”
    
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    July 13, 2017 3:35pm
- VicParking
  
  I tried that. Problem is I ran out of money one week after I retired.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:35am
- cha
  
  Excuse the pun but Parfitt got it dead bloody right.
  
  I guess some alcoholic junkie scum are better than other alcoholic junkie scum.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:38am
- Longknives
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVu9OXB-Ugc
  
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  July 13, 2017 2:39pm
Manolo

Facing so much opposition, President Trump appears to be running out of time:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2017/07/11/gop-senator-time-running-out-to-pass-trump-agenda/
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July 13, 2017 9:30am
- Inandout
  
  Can’t have politicians working through their holidays, no matter how urgent legislation is.
  
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  July 13, 2017 10:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Correct. You have to put most of this budget crap in the US at the moment to the fact that its holiday season and all the politicans are away on the Bahamas on holiday.
    
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    July 13, 2017 11:38am
kowtow

No more ,thank you and not Muslims.

“Mr Stephens was encouraged that almost all other New Zealand political parties favoured some increase in the refugee quota, including the Greens and the Labour Party, who favoured annual refugee intake quota increases to 5000 and 1500, respectively.”

These 2 parties make the most noise about housing and poverty ,why add to the alleged burden.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dunedin-can-gain-more-refugees
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July 13, 2017 9:54am
- ex-golfer
  
  Because they are experts in everything and know its easy to simply spend other peoples money ignoring the consequence.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:59am
big bruv

I lived in Wellington for thirty two years, I know the place well. It’s fair to say there is bugger all I miss about the place. However, being in Wellington when there is a bloody great storm hammering through is most certainly one of the things I do miss.
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July 13, 2017 10:26am
- MickMac
  
  It is a little blowey just now.
  Garden furniture all over the place.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:41am
  - Colville
    
    seeing a trampoline wander down the street unaccompanied is always good for a laugh.
    
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    July 13, 2017 1:24pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Yes, there are many tramps and other homeless blowing around the streets of Auckland.
      
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      July 13, 2017 2:01pm
cmm

Using electricity in the bath kills teen:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/94672861/us-teenage-girl-electrocuted-by-while-using-cellphone-in-bathtub

Extremely sad for the family and all that, but how does this happen?

Perhaps schools need to spend a bit more time on physics and a little less time on gender studies.
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July 13, 2017 10:35am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Sad, but two words…..”Darwin Award”
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:12am
- kowtow
  
  How many are killed and injured using the damn things driving ? And how many others are the thick shits putting at risk. Extremely common.
  
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  July 13, 2017 12:22pm
- Colville
  
  But read how poorly the article is written.
  its not the phone that killed her or the charger it is the extension cord!
  
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  July 13, 2017 3:35pm
  - cmm
    
    Can’t expect a journalist to get those boring fact things right.
    
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    July 13, 2017 4:36pm
Kabull

It continues to astonish me (although perhaps it shouldn’t) how important information about the ‘hate Trump’ movement in the US gets ignored by the MSM. Much hysteria this morning about the ‘leaked’ emails from Donald Jr relating to his meeting with ‘a Russian govt official’ before the election, and the Dems screaming that this ‘proves’ what they have been saying and Trump should be impeached immediately. I watched Hannity on Fox last night – he had a lengthy session with Trump Jr, who had voluntarily released the entire email chain, and gave an entirely credible explanation about the meeting. In essence, nothing to see – move right along.
Yet as far as I can see NO New Zealand media has reported the exchange – they persist in simply ‘reprinting’ the rubbish coming from the likes of CNN, NBC, Washington Post, etc.

Perhaps NZ journalists don’t know about Fox, or ignore that channel because it doesn’t fit their ulterior motives.
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July 13, 2017 10:38am
- Inandout
  
  Luckily Leighton Smith still gives time to balance what is going on in the US. And even luckier, few Americans actually believe what they see and hear on the MSM.
  
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  July 13, 2017 10:42am
- Kabull
  
  Here is Hannity’s interview with Trump Jr.
  http://video.foxnews.com/v/5503523420001/?#sp=show-clips
  
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  July 13, 2017 10:48am
- Paulus
  
  Leaked ! – Donald Jr gave them all the emails.
  Usual MSM Liars
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:24am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  And laughably now turns out that this same Russian lawyer was attached to Obama administration (attended a senate enquiry with US ambassador to Russia). This is going to damage Democratic credibility even further.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:39am
Hugh Pavletich

Housing affordability crisis bonds Sydney community across cultures and religions – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-13/sydney-housing-affordability-disaster-sparks-collaboration/8703234

A diverse group of 600 people from across Sydney last night cheered and made impassioned speeches, bonded by the horror housing affordability situation that is threatening their communities.

The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney mingled with other faith groups, single mums, business leaders, trade unionists and former homeless drug addicts.

Magnus Linder, executive officer of Churches Housing and the chair of the Sydney Alliance Housing Team, said people were deserting Sydney because of the cost of housing and rent. … read more via hyperlink above …
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July 13, 2017 10:41am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Winter’s icy grip takes hold of housing market as prices and volumes fall | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88770/winters-icy-grip-takes-hold-housing-market-prices-and-volumes-fall
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:28am
  - Happychappy
    
    Hugh I hope yòu have employed Medical help for the evening 23rd September 2017 because you are going to be awfully disapointed with the results on who will be the Government.
    
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    July 13, 2017 2:38pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Hugh,
    
    Congratulations on your brevity.
    
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    July 13, 2017 4:32pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Average asking prices on Trade Me Property dropped for the second month in a row in June … Interest Co NZ
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/88779/average-asking-prices-trade-me-property-dropped-second-month-row-june
      
      Further evidence of a housing downturn is emerging with the average asking price of residential properties advertised for sale on Trade Me Property taking a dive in June.
      
      The average asking price of properties advertised on the website dropped 1.2% in June to $632,850.
      
      It was the second month in a row that the average asking price has fallen. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      July 14, 2017 2:35am
Inandout

Aussie is a big country, so just move out of Sydney and save the hassle.
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July 13, 2017 10:45am
Lucia Maria

Oh dear. As things get hotter for Trump, he’s now saying that Putin wanted Hillary to win, and Breitbart is swinging the life boats around to get on board: Donald Trump: Vladimir Putin Wanted Hillary Clinton to Win

Meanwhile, if you don’t know what is going on, Stephen Colbert and Trevor Noah will explain it:

Donald Trump Jr. Is His Own ‘Deepthroat’

A Russian, an Email and an Idiot: Did Donald Trump Jr. Incriminate Himself?: The Daily Show
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July 13, 2017 10:53am
- Scott
  
  Crazy stuff if Stephen Colbert and Trevor Noah are our authoritative sources about Trump or anything really??
  
  Donald Trump Junior did take a meeting which he should not have taken. The idea that the Kremlin was backing Trump is an interesting one. For the life of me I cannot see why the Kremlin would back Donald Trump to be president over Hillary Clinton?
  
  That’s why the whole Trump/Russia thing is so unbelievable to me. Why would Russia seriously want Trump as President of the United States? Because actually Trump as president is pursuing a reasonably tough stance against Russia.
  
  The whole thing doesn’t make sense. No doubt the special prosecutor will dig over every nook and cranny for the next 2 years. And CNN will keep talking about Trump and Russia endlessly.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:41am
  - Scott
    
    Also if the Trump campaign team could dig out every damn meeting with every damned person that has even the remotest connection with Russia and get it all out there. Just every little person who has Russian connections no matter how inconsequential. And put it out in volumes and let’s be done with this whole stupid Russian thing.
    
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    July 13, 2017 11:43am
    - rangitoto
      
      Palin admitted she could see Russia from her house. She’s GOP. Join the dots to make the Trump connection. I think I could be a CNN journo.
      
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      July 13, 2017 2:17pm
  - ztev
    
    “Why would Russia seriously want Trump as President of the United States?”
    
    Since you havent been paying attention
    Throughout the 2016 presidential campaign, Donald Trump consistently broke from political orthodoxy in his effusive praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
    
    And their previous meetings or contacts?
    ‘Since 2013 — when Trump’s Miss Universe pageant was held in Moscow — Trump has at least nine times claimed to have spoken to, met, or made contact with Putin. ‘
    
    Once the campaign was underway, he denied all that of course- his previous words say different
    
    “Oct. 17, 2013
    Trump tells David Letterman that he’s done “a lot of business with the Russians” and says they are “smart” and “tough” and that they don’t look “so dumb right now.” He calls Putin a “tough guy” and says that he “met him once.”
    
    And here where Trump supports the Russian position in Ukriane
    “April 12, 2014
    Trump says at a New Hampshire event that Putin is “absolutely having a great time.” He says “Russia is like, I mean they’re really hot stuff” and “and now you have people in the Ukraine — who knows, set up or not — but it can’t all be set up, I mean they’re marching in favor of joining Russia.”
    
    and so on and son on.
    http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/03/politics/trump-putin-russia-timeline/
    
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    July 13, 2017 12:18pm
    - KevOB
      
      Without proven credentials you’re not going to get many upticks here.
      
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      July 13, 2017 4:11pm
    - Shawn Herles
      
      CNN = Fake News
      
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      July 13, 2017 4:22pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Wow, Political analysis from two comedians!
  From your link;
  ‘He (Trump)thinks Putin would actually have been happier with Hillary Clinton in the White House because he’s building the U.S. military and working to export U.S. energy, which Russia opposes.
  
  “We are the most powerful country in the world and we are getting more and more powerful because I’m a big military person. As an example, if Hillary had won, our military would be decimated. Our energy would be much more expensive. That’s what Putin doesn’t like about me. And that’s why I say, why would he want me? Because from day one I wanted a strong military, he doesn’t want to see that,” Trump told Robertson.
  
  “And from day one I want fracking and everything else to get energy prices low and to create tremendous energy. We’re going to be self-supporting, we just about are now. We’re going to be exporting energy – he doesn’t want that. He would like Hillary where she wants to have windmills. He would much rather have that because energy prices would go up and Russia as you know relies very much on energy,” he continued.
  
  “So there are many things that I do that are the exact opposite of what he would want. So what I keep hearing about that he would have rather had Trump, I think ‘probably not,’ because when I want a strong military, you know she wouldn’t have spent the money on military,” he said. “When I want tremendous energy, we’re opening up coal, we’re opening up natural gas, we’re opening up fracking, all the things that he would hate, but nobody ever mentions that.”
  
  Thanks for proving that Putin wouldn’t collude with Trump as it wasn’t in his best interest.
  Personally I think Putin just wanted to cause mayhem in the US political scene. I doubt he thought Trump would even win.Given the way the Dems and other morons with TDS are behaving, I’d say he has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.
  But Trumps actions – especially in Europe, belay any assertion that Trump is colluding with Putin. Quite the opposite.
  
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  July 13, 2017 11:44am
  - ztev
    
    Trump spent a lot of time since 2013 praising Putin. Brushing away concerns about Ukriane ” they are marching to join Russia “
    
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    July 13, 2017 12:20pm
    - Scott
      
      Seriously ztev – you really think that some mild praise of Putin by Trump in the presidential campaign meant that the Kremlin was prepared to collude with the Trump campaign and swing the election for Trump over Hillary?
      
      That’s just crazy stuff. As could easily have been predicted and has been pointed out on this thread in office Trump has been strongly in favour of the United States and has acted decisively against Russian interests in Syria and in the field of energy.
      
      The idea that Putin would want Trump as president is just nonsensical. Given that Trump has not been in political office before how could Putin possibly be comfortable that this guy is going to be a Russian stooge? And given Trump’s history of making bold moves and given Trump’s campaign promises to put America first, it is a product of liberal fantasy that Trump is Russia’s guy.
      
      And in your case I would say it is the product of hard left fantasy. I say this because right now you are probably the most hard left contributor to this blog.
      
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      July 13, 2017 1:04pm
      - Gabby
        
        Given Chump’s history of bold bankruptcies, Putin backed the smeghead for maximum chaos.
        
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        July 13, 2017 4:12pm
      - chiz
        
        Putin doesn’t care the slightest if the US builds up its military or if wants to, say, go on sailing trips through the south china sea. His concern is with NATO encroachment on Russian borders, sanctions, and Russia’s status as a superpower. The fact that Trump is inexperienced, incompetent and divisive are all pluses as far as Putin is concerned since that weakens America’s position on the global stage. Putin thought that he would be able to control Trump through blackmail but is a poor strategist and didn’t realise that Trump’s Russian connections would become so public and this would remove his ability to blackmail him.
        
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        July 13, 2017 4:16pm
    - KevOB
      
      So? Maybe a crazy Obama, hostage to the military, prefers enemies. Now Obama’s puppy-dogging Trump sedition style around the world. What is really going on?
      
      Sensible people prefer to make love not war. Globalists have their own agendas which may collide with each others.
      
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      July 13, 2017 4:14pm
Fletch

Anti-Trumpists rejoice. Looks like a Democrat has started impeachment proceedings.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/democrat-congressman-files-article-impeachment-against-president-trump
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July 13, 2017 11:35am
MickMac

I was sent this link about David Seymours right to die bill.
http://10questionsfordavidseymour.nz
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July 13, 2017 11:42am
Fletch

It looks like upgrading the electric power grid to be able to handle sustainable energy from wind and solar would be impractically expensive in the U.S (and probably everywhere).

Rewiring the U.S. electric grid to handle more wind and solar power won’t be cheap or easy, according to a study published Wednesday by the Alliance for Innovation and Infrastructure (AII).

The study found that the U.S. power grid can’t easily be replaced by a distributed smart grid that environmentalists favor. Efforts to update the electric grid to better handle variable energy output from wind and solar power haven’t been effective and would be expensive.

“It is probably a trillion dollar asset,” Brigham McCown, chairman of AII, told reporters during a press conference. “People for decades have talked about the need to modernize the grid and upgrade it, but quite frankly that hasn’t happened.”

“It is not gonna be cheap,” McCown added.

In order for the traditional power grid to function, demand for energy must exactly match supply. Power demand is relatively predictable and conventional power plants, like nuclear plants and natural gas, can adjust output accordingly. Solar and wind power, however, cannot easily adjust their output on demand. They also provide power unpredictably relative to conventional power sources.

On an especially cloudy or windless day, the electrical grid can’t supply enough power from solar or wind alone. Wind and solar also run the risk of producing too much power, which can overload and fry the traditional power grid. This is why electrical companies will occasionally pay consumers to take electricity.

Green energy has already caused damage to the electrical grids of Germany and California’s electrical grid, potentially leading to massive blackouts.

California was forced to shut down its solar farms last March because they were producing more electricity than the state needed. Grid operators say this damaged the power grid, and the system will be incredibly vulnerable to damage and blackouts due to the excess power.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/12/rewiring-the-grid-for-green-energy-is-not-gonna-be-cheap-study-finds/
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July 13, 2017 11:58am
- rangitoto
  
  You only need look as far South Australia and see the disaster there. I see Musk is now offering to bail them out with a massive battery system. I’m sure Adelaide consumers are going to love paying for that.
  
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  July 13, 2017 2:25pm
  - cmm
    
    No trough is too deep for Musk!
    
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    July 13, 2017 4:39pm
  - artemisia
    
    He’s offered to do it for free if not done in 100 days.
    
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    July 13, 2017 6:07pm
- cha
  
  It looks like upgrading the electric power grid to be able to handle sustainable energy from wind and solar would be impractically expensive in the U.S
  
  That’ll be why some US electricity suppliers are going balls out pressuring state legislatures to kneecap the roll out of rooftop solar while others are offering $30 a month to rent roofs to install solar panels.
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  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/climate/rooftop-solar-panels-tax-credits-utility-companies-lobbying.html
  
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  July 13, 2017 2:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Now here’s a good idea
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40588246

(or is it?)
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July 13, 2017 12:00pm
4077th

I need some sympathy, I scribbled all over my face and I can’t get a job. I robbed someone at knifepoint, escaped custody assaulted someone and stole a bunch of stuff..I have NO IDEA why I can’t get a job? Seems this muppet is now proud of his “facial tattoo’s” because his mum and some randoms on Facebook said it was cool.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11889732

Get the tough stickers removed, go to school and be a good human. Not much to ask eh!
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July 13, 2017 2:12pm
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha many years ago when I worked at WINZ we had a Gangmember getting lump sum payments for Facial Tattoo removal.
  When I queried why we weren’t paying the Tattoo Removal Clinic directly I was told something like ‘We don’t want to embarrass him’ , ‘He is a man of pride and Mana’..etc etc
  You already know how this story ends…
  
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  July 13, 2017 2:43pm
- cmm
  
  I wanted somebody to give me a tattoo now I want somebody to give me a job.
  
  I want…. and it is everyone else’s job to provide.
  
  Didn’t seem to learn much in the hole. My $5 says he’s going back soon.
  
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  July 13, 2017 4:44pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  He needs to own his own shit. Has a Daughter. Steals. Assaults. This dude aint going nowhere except back to Jail to get drunk again Fucking loser that the TAXPAYER supports
  
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  July 13, 2017 5:26pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Steve we have given greedy magpie maori $70 billion of taxpayer dollars. I cannot believe it.
    
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    July 13, 2017 5:38pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      And they still steal Dad.
      Seems the trickle down thing might be fucked
      
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      July 13, 2017 5:40pm
Swifty

Harre advocates naked bribery with taxpayer cash for Labour to pick up young voters……

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11890078

Not because it’s the right thing for NZ, no, just because it might help them win an election.

The left disgust me sometimes.
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July 13, 2017 3:00pm
- 4077th
  
  Harre is completely irrelevant. She nailed her colours firmly to Dot Kraut’s mast (so to speak) last time around and got a royal, political spanking for it. Why she is trotted out as some sort of political mastermind is beyond belief, just goes to show TVNZ and Labour have nothing left in the tote bag worth interviewing.
  
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  July 13, 2017 3:10pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “The left disgust me sometimes.”
  
  The left disgusts me all the time.
  
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  July 13, 2017 3:15pm
  - Gabby
    
    Crusty gruts disgust me.
    
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    July 13, 2017 7:10pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The left are nothing but ‘disgusting’
  They will never change, sell cakes at cakestalls; and sell their own mothers behind your back
  
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  July 13, 2017 5:49pm
  - Gabby
    
    Jeez stoive, did you miss out on a mama bargain, or did you want your cake for free?
    
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    July 13, 2017 7:11pm
- itstricky
  
  Not because it’s the right thing for NZ, no, just because it might help them win an election.
  
  I don’t agree with Harre but how will you ever prove that tax cuts are the ‘right thing for NZ’ and not just a bribe to win an election? Provide free education versus provide free money? It’s essentially the same thing, just in a different way, to a different group.
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:23pm
4077th

Why is Shane Jones on a trip from New York to Paris? Why could he not at least wait until the got to the hotel?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11890043

FFS Shane, get a room!
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July 13, 2017 3:30pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Yeah, and she needs her own room as well. How does she know what happened if she was asleep?
  They made her crawl back over the sex offender?
  Um yes it was the other woman who went to sleep, it is very bad reporting.
  CNN or NZ Herald?
  
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  July 13, 2017 5:35pm
Jack5

Fake news gets more dangerous with a new video tool that helps fake words put into a speaker’s mouth look realistic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/07/12/scarily-convincing-fake-video-tool-puts-words-obamas-mouth/
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July 13, 2017 3:39pm
- 4077th
  
  Just confirms what most of us always knew..Obama talks shit 🙂
  
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  July 13, 2017 3:55pm
Tauhei Notts

I fluked watching a great programme on Al Jazeera.
It was about New Zealand’ serious suicide statistics.
Mike King spoke very well. So did Labour’s David Clark. Tell Julie Anne Genter that she is member of the New Zealand parliament. It is as if she is seeking koha by prefixing the country’s name with aotearoa. Julie Anne; it is Al Jazeera; you might get Doha, but no koha.
Al Jazeera’s reputation with me has escalated. They did a great job. And none of that More NZ On Air excrement at the end of the programme.
If I was enjoying good health rather than suffering an awful cold, I would have missed the show, as Thursday nights is the night for drinking ale and talking crap.
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July 13, 2017 5:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is showing on AlJazeera – The Stream- at present.
  
  I think this link will get it:
  http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201707120001-0025469
  
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  July 13, 2017 8:46pm
cha

No matter your politics, good news.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/12/steve-scalise-out-of-intensive-care-240453
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July 13, 2017 5:58pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers 🙂

UPDATE FROM HER WARSHIP IN THE HAGUE – WORLD JUSTICE FORUM Thursday 13 July 2017 6.24am

Unfinished reporting from Tuesday 11 July 2017….

– when I dropped my political ‘bombshell’ about NZ’s corruption REALITY being that
in my opinion, as a proven anti- corruption ‘whistle-blower’ – New Zealand was a ‘corrupt, polluted tax haven – a banana republic without the bananas’.

I also stated that the Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’ (which NZ topped 10 times (sometimes 1st equal) without having even ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption – should be screwed up and thrown into the rubbish bin of history.

That there were IMO, objective, significant milestones / yardsticks for quantifying corruption REALITY, rather than relying (largely) upon the subjective opinions of anonymous businesspeople for PERCEPTION of corruption (which in my view is a meaningless ‘measure’).

I pointed out how in 2010 how I had attended the Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference in Bangkok.

Where we were told that the global procurement market was $14 TRILLION and the amount estimated to be lost in bribery and corruption was $2.5 TRILLION!

That I had a HUGE ‘lightbulb’ moment!

Wouldn’t $2.5 TRILLION
$2.5 THOUSAND BILLION
$2,500,000,000,000 – help to feed, clothe, water and shelter a few poor people?

That another ‘lightbulb’ moment – was that Transparency International were not looking at the underpinning private procurement MODEL, but the private procurement PROCESS.

That as soon as you got into the private procurement (contracting out) of public services, formerly provided ‘in house’ by staff directly employed under the ‘public service’ model, you got into CONTRACT MANAGEMENT.

Government or Council staff were regarded as ‘too dumb’ to do contract management – so a ‘bureaucrat'(s) would then hire CONSULTANT(S) to ‘project manage’ the WORKS CONTRACTOR(S), who would then usually SUB-CONTRACT- so by the time you got down to those in the boots and overalls getting their hands dirty and actually doing something productive – you might have up to 4 layers of pinstripe suits – clipping the ticket while effectively doing nothing.

How on EARTH is that a more ‘cost-effective’ use of public money?

In 2010, at that Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference, I stood on my hind legs and asked a (high-faluting) panel – where was the EVIDENCE that the private procurement of public services that used to be provided at central and local government level, was more ‘cost-effective’ than former ‘in-house’ service provision?

(It was like I had slapped the face of the person who was chairing the panel.
He literally did a ‘double-take’ and mumbled that there was evidence – but none was ever provided.)

My point to this 2017 World Justice Forum group – was that in my opinion, it was time to look at the whole underpinning private procurement MODEL for public services.

( IMO – it is the privatisation -private procurement – of public services which is the major source of GRAND corruption.

I am one of the few people in the world actually saying this- that the root cause of most GRAND corruption- is PRIVATISATION.

How is it decided who GETS the contracts?

Remember – back in 2010 – the global amount estimated to be paid in bribery and corruption was $2.5 TRILLION!

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This is a BIG deal folks.

The whole Neo-liberal myth and mantra ‘public is bad – private is good’ upon which this massive privatisation of public services, locally, nationally and internationally was based – was NOT ‘evidence based’.

The BIG business globalists – just MADE IT UP!

More later …

Her Warship – guns loaded and blazing ‘inside the tent!’
(As it were …. 🙂

Penny Bright
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July 13, 2017 7:05pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays.
  She walks away.
  Mental Health Services have run out of white coats.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
  
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  July 13, 2017 7:16pm
  - Nookin
    
    I suspect she is still in Auckland with Starboard. I am bit worried about her. She seems to be disassembling.
    
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    July 13, 2017 8:52pm
- Swifty
  
  Delusional.
  
  Please, please seek help.
  
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  July 13, 2017 9:25pm
  - sooty
    
    If we take up a collection, will you stay there! (Edit to add) Its not as though you have much to come home too!
    
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    July 13, 2017 9:53pm
Surely Knott

Local Board had a full meeting and the ONLY agenda item was signing off on a trip to Queenstown for a conference for one of their members. Sigh.
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