General Debate 12 September 2017

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*****Show us the money Taxcinder..Show us the money !!*****
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September 12, 2017 8:01am
- Nosmo King
  
  There is no money. It is a mirage. All we get are some teardrops and flashing pearly whites.
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:55am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  It’s in your wallet, it’s in your wallet, starboard
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:33pm
  - sooty
    
    Not for long, if she gets them teeth any near your back pocket.
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:32pm
Captain Mainwaring

I went to buy a used car about a month ago. It was a tired old Mitsubishi but that’s all I could afford. The salesman was a guy called Andy. To be fair I don’t know what made me look at this car because the Toyota I’ve already got is super-reliable and has a lot more years in it yet.
Anyway I soon went off the Mitsubishi because Andy came across as a dour, grumpy bloke unsuited to his role.
Then a couple of weeks later I was going past the same dealership and I spotted a tall girl called Cindy. She asked me if I’d like to buy a car. I said not really, I’m still happy with the one I’ve got. But I was captivated by her smooth talk, and the promises she made that the car I bought from her would deliver so much more satisfaction than the car I already had.
By the time I’d gathered my senses I’d signed up for a car, and it was the same tired Mitsubishi that Andy had showed me earlier. But now the tyres had been swapped for bald ones and there was an expensive-sounding whine in the gearbox which she said she would get a panel of experts to investigate after I took delivery.
But none of that mattered, because Cindy had won me over.
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September 12, 2017 8:01am
- BlueGriffon
  
  Ahh but the Cindy stardust is wearing off pretty fast, why do you think Labour are encouraging early voting.
  
  TWO TICKS BLUE
  SHETAXU
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:04am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Students lining up to vote early and now gang members have requested help to sign up to vote as voting is important. The gangs “want to take on the mantle of citizenship and vote”.
    Are they all going to vote for that Cindy chick with the open cheque book. I expect so.
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:15am
    - pdm
      
      Early voting gives a big boost for the Left as their constituency `stumble’ across polling booths as they wander around town as opposed to having to make an effort to find a polling booth on election day.
      
      Comrade Taxcinda voting today will probably activate a few more of them – especially as it is a fine, warm morning already in Hastings.
      
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      September 12, 2017 8:37am
    - GoVege
      
      Wow…does that mean taking on the responsibilities of citizenship too?
      But first they gotta learn to read…part of why they end up in gangs.
      
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      September 12, 2017 10:10am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Being illiterate was given as one reason the gangs demanded the Electoral Commission visit gang pads to sign up their members. Big, strong and aggressive they might be, but gang members are embarrassed to admit they can’t read and write so need their own special visit from the commission.
        
        The gang leader said they all want to take personal responsibility for their lives and look after their families. Now, can we ensure they all vote National?
        
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        September 12, 2017 10:38am
      - GoVege
        
        Hope they do a better job than their parent/s did.
        Incidentally, all the gang members I know are from single mum families.
        One of them ran away and ditched her kids with relations, then the kids ran away (knowing they were unwanted).
        The other mums joined the gang themselves and let them exploit their children.
        
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        September 12, 2017 4:21pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Waikatogirl:
      “Are they all going to vote for that Cindy chick with the open Cheque book”?
      Gee no, they don’t have enough information about Labour’s tax policy.
      Oh wait …
      
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      September 12, 2017 7:22pm
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:50am
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      September 12, 2017 4:46pm
  - ztev
    
    Stardust
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:59am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Dust mites
      
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      September 12, 2017 6:13pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Bulldust.
      
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      September 13, 2017 8:00am
  - Gabby
    
    TULIXPU
    BINGLESGU
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:49pm
- Dave Mann
  
  That’s a great bit of writing Captain! Cheers! 😀
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:16am
- niggly
  
  Good to see the new National campaign signs going up around town, showing everyday NZ’ers.
  
  Perhaps National needs to reinforce the message to everyday NZ’ers that the cost of living will increase under Labour eg those taxes will hit people in the pocket in 3 ways – firstly directly, then secondly, as prices rise due taxes imposed on industry/farming/transport being passed on to consumers and thirdly, Labour will cancel next year’s personal tax cuts that were already planned!
  
  Might be time for some new radio/tv ads, notice how the Labour radio/tv ads uses a subtle attack format, it would be easy for National to do something subtle too!
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:22am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The “farmer” billboard is going down a treat in the rural part of our electorate, and others. Farmers and those who depend on farmers for their livelihoods are well aware that Labour and the Greens are screwing them over royally.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:03am
    - ztev
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      They said the same back when Lange- Douglas killed off the golden goose.
      How dare they… farmers were entitled..
      
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      September 12, 2017 10:00am
      - Nosmo King
        
        Where do you think the food on your table comes from?
        
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        September 12, 2017 11:53am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Still those buggers are voting Labour big time. There is 70% support across the country for water tax.
      
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      September 12, 2017 1:58pm
- Gabby
  
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  I think you’re entering the realms of fantasy there Jones.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:12am
  - starboard
    
    rich coming from you giblet..
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:19am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    At least I know that my solitary downtick came from the village idiot.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:25am
- fluffykiwi
  
  What about the inevitable rust.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:14am
- Rich Prick
  
  You poor buggar. Do you know they also recorded Cindy’s voice into the SatNav, and you’re stuck listening to it shouting out the directions to Utopia for the next three years, with no off button? After three years of never finding Uptopia, that Corolla will seem like a sweet quiet ride.
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:03am
- sooty
  
  Expensive sounding whine in Cindy!
  Fixed it for you.
  
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  September 12, 2017 12:23pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Very good Captain, and if Cindy wins, we will have the same worn out tyres from yesteryear
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:37pm
JasonJohns

The top bosses of the Electoral Commission appear to be globalists. They were educated in our communist-controlled universities. What chance is there of a free and fair election? We know that polls were rigged in the US costing Trump millions of votes. Could the same happen in NZ?
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September 12, 2017 8:02am
- MCos
  
  “Communist controlled universities”
  You really are a wanker
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:41am
  - CHFR1
    
    You haven’t spent much time with University staff have you, always been communists and always will be.
    How do I know, my father was one from the 60’s till the 90’s and he was as red as they came not because he loved communism but because he had never had to operate in the real world…that was what my mother was for.
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:54am
    - MrTips
      
      Actually the Universities are changing a bit. Sure, the old timers live on memories and Eau D’ Marx – and the new lot in the student associations are just vile little snots like they’ve always been – but the newer academics and most of the graduates are a bit more savvy and centrist. They seem more willing to actually discuss the merits of an idea. Rampant climate change nutters though are legion in plant biology, limnology, pockets of the Dunedin law school and maths departments. But that has nothing to do with grant funding at all…..
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:02am
      - MCos
        
        The students association certainly doesn’t control the university, or much of anything else for that matter.
        
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        September 12, 2017 9:11am
      - Jack5
        
        Don’t think the students of today are rigorous enough to be like the Marxist intellectuals of the old days.
        
        Our universities are weakened by the increasing size within them of flaky social science subjects, and by the dominance of the New Leftists in traditional subjects like history.
        
        Sociologists, anthropologists usually parrot the Canadian MultiKulturizm zealots Kymlicka and Taylor. Practical, but flaky-as-theory, subjects such as social work are brought into the intellectual tent.
        
        The Faerie Queen as Prime Minister would draft ever lower-IQ individuals into the institutions. Because of their limitations they will bloat the rolls in sociology, political “science”, revisionist history, Maori studies, feminist studies, and so on in their taxpayer funded journeys towards becoming fully certified socialists.
        
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        September 12, 2017 11:16am
    - Lance
      
      Very few of the staff at the uni of Auck I worked with over 13 years were communist.
      One in the Psych dept.. have to admit he was deeply communist, even had a Soviet Union award (I shit you not) . Hell of a nice guy and fun to clash ideologically with but he was on the outer and had little influence.
      None in the electrical and electronic engineering dept. They weren’t even socialist there.
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:07am
    - VicParking
      
      When I was at University 60/70’s all the staff were Keynesians from America. Now they are all Marxists from the UK.
      
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      September 12, 2017 10:07am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Yes indeed Mcos – best to insult folks when they tell a truth that you don’t like. You little treasure, you.
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:56am
    - MCos
      
      Are you suggesting JJ isn’t a wanker?
      Fair enough. That may have been a bit over the top.
      He’s a tosser.
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:14am
  - dime
    
    ““Communist controlled universities”
    You really are a wanker”
    
    the lefties run the universities.
    
    started in the 60s.. then the more lefties ya got in charge (intolerant dicks that they are) the more they tended to employ other lefties… snowballs and now we have universities who lean far to the left.
    
    not sure why lefties on here get so upset at the suggestion.
    
    if right wingers were running them id happily say – yeah. universities lean to the right than fuck!
    
    but i guess im not ashamed of being on the right ..
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:24am
    - Lance
      
      Sure there was a left leaning atmosphere at the uni of Auck
      BUT
      The biggest PITA was the stifling PC environment.
      It was beyond ludicrous and that was back in 2003 when I last worked there, hate to imagine what it’s like now.
      You could lose you job for opening a door for a women or similar (yes.. I have for-instances)
      
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      September 12, 2017 10:01am
    - VicParking
      
      70’s Dime not 60’s
      
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      September 12, 2017 10:09am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Don’t feed the troll 😀
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:03am
- Jack5
  
  JasonJohns, Kea No.2: you are right in that the Electoral Commission civil servants are showing suspiciously strong enthusiasm to bring into the voting net the border of society – gangs, other no-hopers, and the lumpen proletariat generally.
  
  I bet the Electoral Commission lefties know these voters will easily be swept into the Faerie Queene rapture.
  
  JasonJohns: where were the Keas last night when we tried to get General Debate over 500 posts? You can never fully rely on fucking parrots to speak when you need them.
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:03am
- JasonJohns
  
  Who agrees that widespread fraud is a possibility this election?
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:39am
starboard

You WILL learn mouldy. Sharples said so.
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September 12, 2017 8:04am
krazykiwi

My god the MSM’s die-hard socialists are working hard for Labour.

In this ‘article’ (aka free Labour party advertising) Fran Wilde does the old trick of misleading readers by conflating an unrelated, high percentage figure with some “mood for change” she’s found from the boardrooms of NZ.

She then goes out of her way to find individuals that support her position, presenting them as impartial. She even manages to use Don Brash for that.
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September 12, 2017 8:04am
- BlueGriffon
  
  Businesses/CEO’s these days seem to be caving in to the social justice warriors, they are scared of the twitter gang.
  
  And google Rob Campbell from Sky City, a so called former-unionist. Give me a break!
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:09am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    “Businesses/CEO’s these days seem to be caving in to the social justice warriors…”
    
    Indeed they are, in a very organised way. Try reading ‘The Glass Closet’ by John Browne.
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:19am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Of course Rob wants Jacinda in. Can you imagine how much of that extra benefit money is going to go into his pokie machines? I’m surprised he isn’t out campaigning for Labour. The sooner The Herald folds the better, they aren’t even trying to hide their bias anymore.
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:29am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Of course he would want a Labour Govt ! FFS…he’s in the casino business…have you ever seen a bigger ,more concentrated collection of losers than on the gaming floor of Sky City ? Large proportion Taxcindas largesse will be funnelled DIRECTLY into Campbells Casino !
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:42am
- waikatogirl
  
  After 3 long years since his last foray to influence voters, Bryan Bruce has managed to bring out a new documentary just in time for another election. Titled “Who Owns NZ”, it will be tilted toward the liarbor pardy’s call that those with Chinese sounding names have been squeezing NZ’ers out of the housing market.
  
  I won’t be watching.
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:21am
  - kevn
    
    WG… Yes, timing is coincidental of course, not.
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:52am
- VicParking
  
  The MSM has taken the words “could” , “might” and “potential” and turned them in “will”. This has been their tactic to smear on the lipstick in this election
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:24am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Yes indeed, but they only deploy this approach in favour of the Left.
    
    Imagine the following questions that they might ask Cindy:
    1) Jacinda can you deny that the taxation working group recommendations might end up causing a huge increase in farmer suicides?
    2) Jacinda, can you guarantee that you won’t get pregnant and return the leadership to Andrew Little sometime in the future
    3) Jacinda could you be the worst thing that has ever happened to NZ
    4) Jacinda You are just like Donald Trump in that you are using divisive hate speech when you talk about ‘my generation’ – how can you guarantee that this won’t lead to increased ageism and worse outcomes for the more vulnerable members of society who are not in ‘your generation’.
    
    All valid questions – yet ‘crickets’ from the MSM.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:02am
    - Kimbo
      
      All valid questions – yet ‘crickets’ from the MSM.
      
      Pfft. Be careful what you wish for as not everyone lives in your keyboard warrior circle jerk – and I say that as someone who thinks Ardern is a flake. Cindy would see your amateur myopic far-right troll and raise you with:
      
      1) Jacinda can you deny that the taxation working group recommendations might end up causing a huge increase in farmer suicides?
      
      Labour’s tax system will be fairer, especially for those my age struggling with the depressing reality of not being able to buy a home and get ahead. I’m confident that will make a difference in the suicide rate.
      
      2) Jacinda, can you guarantee that you won’t get pregnant and return the leadership to Andrew Little sometime in the future
      
      No woman in the 21st Century should have to “guarantee” her child bearng intentions. That is so Henry VIII/16th Century
      
      3) Jacinda could you be the worst thing that has ever happened to NZ
      
      That’s what they said about Michael Joseph Savage and the welfare state, and the 4th Labour government’s nuclear free policy. I’m happy to stand along side those “worst thing that ever happened to NZ” achievements!
      
      4) Jacinda You are just like Donald Trump in that you are using divisive hate speech when you talk about ‘my generation’ – how can you guarantee that this won’t lead to increased ageism and worse outcomes for the more vulnerable members of society who are not in ‘your generation’.
      
      I’m not the one wanting to raise the retirement age to 65, so I reject the assertion we do not care for the elderly. Also, the last Labour government introduced both Kiwisaver and the Super fund – which National stopped paying into – to ensure a better retirement for all Kiwis, so I resent and reject the assertion that we do not care. We don’t hate – we do positivity for abetter New Zealand
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:30am
      - ztev
        
        If she and labour are not for you- then dont vote for them.
        All problems solved for you now.
        
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        September 12, 2017 10:04am
- RF
  
  Have you noticed that left wing supporters would not win a beauty contest…. Wilde is another that photo shop is unable to help.
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:54am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I’m no way a Labour supporter…. but that comment was a bit petty, frankly…
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:01am
    - RF
      
      I thought it was petty good.
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:18am
- Happychappy
  
  What has Don Brash done in politics apart from say when Leader of National that he would get rid of the Maori Seats if National got Elected in 2005. Well he didn’t get elected after Helen’s Student free loans propelled Labour to victory. Joined Act and became Leader and still could not win a seat in Parliament and after slagging John Key at every opportunity backed a cause again to rid NZ of the Maori Seats and is still slagging National for John Key dispososing him as National Party Leader.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:08am
- Kimbo
  
  @ krazykiwi
  
  My god the MSM’s die-hard socialists are working hard for Labour.
  
  In this ‘article’ (aka free Labour party advertising) Fran Wilde does the old trick of misleading readers…
  
  You do know you have confused generally right-wing NZ Herald business columnist Fran O’Sullivan with former NZ Labour cabinet Minister and Wellington mayor, Fran Wilde?
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:09am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I realised that, but the #$%# edit function wouldn’t work. I blame John Key.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:23am
    - Kimbo
      
      Fair enough – fingered the right culprit! 😉 Mind you, and to steal tom hunter’s analysis, judging by the various stages of grief currently being exhibited around Kiwiblog, Jacinda Derangement Syndrome will be setting in here if she wins on September 23! 😉
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:38am
      - RF
        
        I used to laugh reading the Standard. It was common to read about someone cancelling their local newspaper or selling their TV if there was an article or programme that they did not agree with.
        
        Precious wee snow flakes….
        
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        September 12, 2017 3:04pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    O’Sullivan is a known communist Kimbo. And since the leftoids operate with a hive mind one is interchangeable with the other. This is a basic principle of alt-right analysis and one of the reasons why it has been able to cut so fast through the ‘cheese’.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:43am
    - Kimbo
      
      Fair enough. You know President Dwight Eisenhower was a commie too, don’t you? 😉
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:48am
    - Jack5
      
      JasonJohns, Kea No.2: that’s one of your most blatant bits of mischief yet – Fran O’Sullivan a Communist! And each Sunday night the Pope plays trombone in the Rome Salvation Army Band.
      
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      September 12, 2017 11:27am
      - RF
        
        Don’t forget the Pope has symbols on the inside of both knees
        
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        September 12, 2017 3:09pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Stuff has done a wonderful fluff q&A 12 questions either mewling quim, Andrea Vance. Really was hoping she was asked about how proud she was in her role in The Peter Dunne affair ?
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September 12, 2017 8:07am
JasonJohns

John Ansell the well-known fighter for the alt-right in NZ requested that this information be put around.

In 2014 I was hired to limit the Labour/Green vote. Now I want to run a campaign against National and Labour for surrendering New Zealand to Maori fundamentalists. Click ‘comments’ to see the ‘Labour means Greens’ ads – and the result no pollster predicted. Below that, a small example of what the Nats can expect. PM me if you can help.
Note: much of the campaign you see here was spearheaded by punchy emails that went viral – off a database of only 100! Imagine what we could do to National and Labour with thousands. I’m hoping all the ‘one law’ organisations will help.
The campaign will provide a sharp ‘retail’ distillation of the wonderful information currently warehoused in books and on websites by our various wonderful one-law ‘wholesalers’.
I intend to provide curious-but-busy ‘convertible’ voters with graphic evidence of:
1. The creeping surrender of sovereignty that’s been waged by National and Labour for the last forty years, and is gathering pace under National with this year’s introduction of co-governance on every council, and next year’s planned surrender of control of your drinking water to the local tribe.
2. Where it’s all heading (a Maori state of Aotearoa New Zimbabwe), and why this will happen in 3 years unless the public wake up and back New Zealand First’s binding referendum on the Maori seats.
3. The corruption of Treaty history by academics, by exposing their pro-Maori, anti-European bias. Obscuring the true story of NZ’s white pre-Maori settlers.
4. The insidious role played by Cultural Marxism in driving the Maorification of Everything agenda.
5. Polls that show the ‘one law for all’ position is supported by 80% of New Zealanders, not just a small band of “old white males” as our Cultural Marxist opponents pretend.
I await your response with great interest. Looking forward to getting started ASAP.
(Now don’t forget to click ALL the comments below to get the true picture of the 2014 campaign.)
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September 12, 2017 8:11am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Thank you Jason Johns for sharing this.
  
  The MSM would label Ansell as an “extremist” whereas most Kiwis would label his policies as “common sense”
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:29am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I don’t often agree with you EAD, but on this occasion I do.
    
    New Zealand has been unknowingly in the grip of cultural marxists for too long. The separatist and liberal white guilt industries are dividing New Zealanders. This type of racism has no place in a modern democracy.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:10am
    - JasonJohns
      
      It’s a long running conspiracy and as John Ansell and Kerry Bolton say it has gotten to the point where the very history of the country is being rewritten, with the original white inhabitants who came here thousands of years ago being repressed…
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:30am
      - mikenmild
        
        Just when you had the credulous drooling at some standard Ansell moans about ‘separatism’, you had to go and spoil it by reminding them that Ansell endorses such loony tunes theories.
        Well, I guess you’ll never be a subtle troll, Kea.
        
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        September 12, 2017 11:17am
      - Jack5
        
        JasonJohns, Kea 2, today is in splendid form shuffling the cones around on the electoral equivalent of the the Homer Tunnel road.
        
        Ansell, Bolton … Kea, can you bring Kim Jong-un into the electoral campaign, too?
        
        Where were you and your cheeky mates when we needed you last night, JJ?
        
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        September 12, 2017 11:31am
      - Jack5
        
        What JasonJohns and the other Keas were up to yesterday when we needed them to get General Debate to 500 posts:
        
        https://youtu.be/FuA5tO_c7s4
        
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        September 12, 2017 11:40am
ztev

I see in Florida, the damage will mostly be covered by the State owned Citizens Property Insurer and a few small privately owned outfits. The big American insurers having got out of the state long ago.
Plus the state government has a $17 bill Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund fund for its insurer and the private firms to draw on

Socialism to the Rescue, plus the Federal government will pour 10s of billions of taxpayers money in.

Big government to the rescue.

Texas ? Most of the damage is from flooding which isnt covered by insurance at all. Too bad they dont have a back up.

Whats a cowboy hat and freedom loving patriot to do ?
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September 12, 2017 8:17am
- krazykiwi
  
  Texas ? Most of the damage is from flooding which isnt covered by insurance at all. Too bad they dont have a back up.
  
  80% of Taxans choose to not buy flood insurance. They expect others to pick up the tab, and every time the government steps in fewer and fewer people will keep such insurance
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:28am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Too bad they(Texas) don’t have a back up’
  
  Oh but they do.
  ‘Texas has the nation’s largest economic stabilization fund (ESF), commonly called a “rainy day fund.”
  The state’s ESF balance at the close of fiscal 2016 was $9.7 billion. According to a recent study by the National Association of State Budget Officers (NASBO), that’s equivalent to about 18 percent of Texas’ annual general revenue expenditures, nearly three times more than a nationwide average of 6.5 percent among states with similar funds.
  If the 2017 legislative session doesn’t tap the rainy day fund, it should contain about $10.3 billion by the end of fiscal 2017 and $11.9 billion at the end of fiscal 2019.’
  https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/fiscal-notes/2016/september/rainy-day.php
  
  ztev- Kiwiblogs Biggest Liar
  Lol
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:37am
  - ztev
    
    $9.7 bill isnt a lot of money. For goodness sake our EQC had that much before Christchurch, plus as much again in reinsurance to tap.
    
    Cullens Fund is over $30 bill
    Floridas Hurricane Disaster Fund is $17 bill
    
    And what is Texas ‘stabilisation fund used for ?
    “Legislature structured the fund to automatically set aside some tax revenues in boom years to help the state during downturns. ” from your own reference.
    The state government is legally obliged to have a ‘balanced budget’ every year.
    Yes Texas will have a lot of extra expenses after Harvey.
    Homeowners will get squat, as insurance wont cover their damage and repairs
    
    So I repeat – Whats a ALL HAT AND NO CATTLE TEXAN to do ?
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:50am
- tom hunter
  
  Socialism to the Rescue, plus the Federal government will pour 10s of billions of taxpayers money in.
  
  Big government to the rescue.
  
  Christians Provide More Aid To Hurricane Victims Than FEMA:
  
  Christian non-profit organizations have outdone FEMA and provided the vast majority of the relief aid to victims of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma.
  
  Faith-based relief groups are responsible for providing nearly 80 percent of the aid delivered thus far to communities with homes devastated by the recent hurricanes, according to USA Today
  
  You can see ztev’s entire “argument” reduced to its appropriate level in this WaPo roundup of cartoons on Hurricane Harvey.
  
  I think ztev is my favourite Left-Winger on Kiwiblog, because he so perfectly combines ignorance, stupidity and the viciousness of a rotten, vengeful nature.
  
  I hope he continues to comment here.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:31am
  - ztev
    
    Christians provide more aid ??
    
    You do know the Federal government aid is likely to top $50 bill based on the previous hurricane Sandy in NY/NJ area – which GOP Texas senators and congressmen/woman opposed
    
    Its great that individuals/ churches are helping their neighbours out- but rebuilding infrastructure ?
    Dont make me laugh
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:42am
- JasonJohns
  
  Electoral fraud is no joke Jack5.
  
  Tell me… do you have a ‘backup plan’ if worst comes to worst and Lab-Greens take power.
  
  I have updated my passport, I have a friend with a good fishing boat, capable of reaching Tassie or Raro, I also have a deerhunters hut in the Hakarimatas. These are the resources that patriots may soon need.
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:47am
  - Jack5
    
    My plan, JJ Kea, is to immediately enrol in feminist studies, Maori studies’ Kapa Haka 1, sociology, political science, NZ History 1 (18th revision), and Social Work – introduction.
    
    Not even a Korean nuke will hurt me then.
    
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    September 12, 2017 11:54am
    - JasonJohns
      
      You will be pegged mercilessly. Is this your notion of survival in the new order? I prefer to hold a rifle rather than suffer a dildo.
      
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      September 12, 2017 11:56am
Chris R

Jacinda wants to”raise NZ’s profile overseas.” She includes the use of the film industry to do so. Wind the clock back a few years now…Jacinda among other Labour clowns screamed that John Key had “sold NZ out to big business interests and his friends in Hollywood” for doing a deal with tax to ensure “The Hobbit” was produced in this country and not in another. The noise from Labour was close to deafening while the accusations against the government sprang out like machine gun fire. The film was of course made here. On the afternoon of the premiere in Wellington who should we see walking down the red carpet in truly Hollywood style but Jacinda ablaze in a new dress and her prized dental work glowing in the sun like a re-run of “Jaws.” I am cruel to quip about her teeth but given her frightful two-facedness I think she deserves all the scorn I can muster. I wouldn’t trust her with the truth ever.
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September 12, 2017 8:17am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Cindy a hypocrite? Surely not.
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  As I posted yesterday:
  Ahakoa kei te pakiri ō rātou niho, kei te tīkoro ngā whatu
  
  (even though their teeth are shining, there’s contempt in their eyes)
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:51am
  - RF
    
    Cindy is a 2 faced hobbit hater who should be treated with utter contempt.
    
    In the house she was putting the boot into Peter Jackson and the film series however when the actors did a public appearance in Courtney Place she was with sweet cheeks pushing through the crowd to greet them. I was there and could clearly hear her squealing like an excited piglet.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:04am
    - ztev
      
      You were there !
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:53am
- dime
  
  trying to get gaylord some work?
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:32am
- Gabby
  
  Good god it’s almost as if she likes movieland AND people being paid well. The inhuman wretch.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:17pm
- GoVege
  
  I wonder how many KB’ers knocking Jacinda have even GOT any teeth?
  Real ones, that is.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:25pm
oldpark

The return of Helen Clark to run the Lie-bour Party campaign is a case of “back to the future” Clarks warped ideology and fingerprints are all over the campaign. Ardern is really Clarks puppet , daily pulling her strings,and dancing to her ideology wanting to turn NZ into a socialist Republic.
Clark in her reign of attempting to make us a socialist republic is back again to complete the job.
The attack on our farming community the backbone of our economy, on a misguided so called ETS output.The lack of voter information on their after election Tax ambush.The threatened banning of so called foreigners ,with asian names to buy a house in NZ.
Just some of the dirty type of tricks Clark learnt in the do nothing, tell nothing ,UN. Control the masses by silence,get their confidence,then when you have that,the world is your oyster. That is the type of election campaign that Clark is running,using Ardern as her puppet.
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September 12, 2017 8:17am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Now that Clark is retired, she needs to have hobby. (With no grandchildren, she need to find other outlets.)
  What better role than as a “man in black” in the Bunraku puppet theater of NZ Labour politics?
  Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJT3hI-NeGs
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I could lend her some crochet patterns.
    Doilies are always in demand.
    https://libcom.org/files/imagecache/article/images/library/wheel.jpg
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:55am
- MrTips
  
  I have no doubt, that should Labour win, Jacinda will emerge on the podium to thank the faithful…..only to rip off the mask and we find we’ve elected Helen instead.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:05am
  - Longknives
    
    The ‘Scooby Doo’ Ending!
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:28am
  - softail 1450
    
    we will know we are in trouble when H2 starts showing up on the scene again .
    or even more frightening mr Clarke might be pushed to the front once more…..
    
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    September 12, 2017 12:39pm
mandk

@ gump (if you are there)

To pick up on a point you made yesterday in the thread on Achievable vs Nonsensical, you argued that when the Philips Curve becomes vertical at the natural rate of inflation (I think you meant natural rate of unemployment) it is representing the effect of inflation on unemployment – not the other way around.

But that argument is completely nonsensical. A vertical Philips Curve implies an absence of any causal relationship between unemployment and inflation.

And, No, I’m not studying economics. I studied economics in the 1970s and I read Friedman’s work at the time. Following his argument, a downward sloping Philips Curve could only exist, if workers were so stupid that they did not realise that the real value of their wages was being eroded by inflation.

Do you teach economics?
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September 12, 2017 8:19am
Monique Watson

We’re fucked if Taxcinda and her Tribe of Scrotes get in. Her hands on our purses and we may as well open our wallets and empty them down the toilet; Fortunately her chances are slim to fuck all as my architect, engineer and Aunty Margaret from Tauranga all testify too.
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September 12, 2017 8:25am
- lifesgood
  
  Was in a motor workshop yesterday. I commented on my bill being high and said ” Oh well, might as well spend it before the government does” The two mechanics both said “Yes, if Labour get’s in” Working men definitely not voting Lbour Greens or Maori.
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:29am
  - MCos
    
    Let’s get this straight.
    You got a bill to fix your car that caught you by suprise, but rather than arguing the toss you gave these blokes the money to spite an as yet unelected future government.
    What happens if Bill wins? Are you going back to get some money back?
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:56am
    - lifesgood
      
      MCos…I was never going to argue the toss. They itemised the bill and it was fair. Just more work needed doing than expected, you clown.
      
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      September 12, 2017 10:18am
      - softail 1450
        
        mcos is closely related to gabby ,didn’t you know ?
        
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        September 12, 2017 12:42pm
  - KevOB
    
    I am still expecting a National Government with NZF as a collaborating partner. I believe Winston won’t have a bar of Taxinda. He’s not fundamentally a radical.
    
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    September 12, 2017 8:59am
    - MrTips
      
      KevOB: Especially on social policy. Not a lot of people realise Winston is dead opposite to Jacinda on social/moral items (abortion, dope, anti-smacking, drugs, marriage, gender issues, prostitution etc.). Whether he considers those important for his post-election dealing is another matter of course.
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:10am
      - KevOB
        
        I believe Winston to be stubborn on what he believes.
        Taxinda is not denying euthanasia for his generation. Her emphasis on youth is not going to be welcomed.
        
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        September 12, 2017 11:54am
    - fluffykiwi
      
      He is old enough to be senile and think he is of her “generation”.
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:17am
    - srylands
      
      Labour may only need Greens plus Maori Party.
      
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      September 12, 2017 10:21am
      - KevOB
        
        Redskins in green drag.
        
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        September 12, 2017 11:55am
      - OTGO
        
        Yes Srylands and that is the worst outcome if that happens.
        I still reckon the electorate has some surprises in store for us on election evening though.
        
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        September 12, 2017 12:03pm
- doggone7
  
  If your hysterical rant is any indication of the citizenry we’re well and truly fucked already.
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:40am
Happychappy

Lets face it Andrew Little is to blame and if it wasn’t for his dower, whinging, angry and unattractive politics he would have still been there. Some will say that if John Key had still been there we would not be looking like we are right now but people forget that putting a face that is attractive and pushing the old Labour way out the window with a leader with no baggage was always going to test National. What is going to win Labour this Election is the female vote which is over 70% in Jacinda’s favor is young and middle aged woman in NZ preferring a young vibrant woman that is a smiling good looking with a never say die attitude agains’t substance and ability of our older Politicians.
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September 12, 2017 8:27am
- KevOB
  
  Discerning women, of which we have a great number in NZ, are turning away.
  
  Do they want to foster Taxinda bringing lack of hope?
  How much Green Gloom can the children handle?
  Do they want the economy trusted to an amateur?
  Do they want the unborn terminated at their would be birth?
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:07am
  - KKKKatee
    
    You can certainly count me in as a ‘discerning’ woman. I can’t for the life of me understand why people can’t see through her bullshit. She’s one angry individual who appears to be hellbent on extracting revenge against the citizens of Aotearoa for some strange reason – especially the ‘rich pricks’. The mask has come off to reveal a very nasty person who is showing her true Marxist colours.
    
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    September 12, 2017 11:57am
    - JasonJohns
      
      She is pure evil Kate and as a woman I am sure you can see that her evil has a sexual dimension. This dimension probably derives from her self-confessed fornication. I think it would be appropriate to use the word that the medieval monks devised to denote the fusion of the sexual and the satanic in a woman – succubus.
      
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      September 12, 2017 12:02pm
    - Piniwi
      
      There you have KKK. In respect of it being native gibberish week the pronunciation of Aotearoa has been settled by Taxinda. It is Ao Tear Oa
      
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      September 12, 2017 3:24pm
    - Gabby
      
      Nasty vindictive shrews should be banished to Hong Kong I reckon.
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:34pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        Sorry to disappoint Gabby. I’m not Kate from Hong Kong – I’m know who mean though. ??
        
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        September 12, 2017 10:13pm
      - sam green
        
        Paid shill.
        
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        September 13, 2017 6:46am
- starboard
  
  English should have gone for an early election when angry Andy was leader..think it’s gonna bite him.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:25am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    They still would have time to dump him and install Princess Stardust.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:32am
labrator

Anyone else notice that Ardern’s “policies” seem to closely resemble clickbait headlines?
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September 12, 2017 8:28am
- waikatogirl
  
  Bumpersticker Barbie. ?
  
  Yesterday when Winnie demanded that Liarbor inform him and the voters of what their tax policies will actually contain, Cindy stated “he knows full well we don’t know what our tax policies will contain”.
  How can anyone trust Liarbor when they don’t know their fundamental policies.
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:43am
  - KevOB
    
    It’s not just trust but lack of authority, a mandate to tax. The Magna carta was fought over that. Rulers that can take as they please can ruin the subjects. The people rule now not the Taxindas.
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:11am
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:31pm
  - jcuk
    
    Nine years to work it out and have they got anything?
    Yes a tax working bum-fest … good oh!
    [sarc]
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:25am
- kevn
  
  Lab… Yes, buzz words/slogans.
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:55am
- KevOB
  
  That’s what Taxinda graduated in– clickbait. Other revolutionaries like that?
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:58am
starboard

Serious question. The looters in Florida I saw on television were all black. Why is this always the case when it comes to looting? Why should I be called a racist for pointing out the fact?
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September 12, 2017 8:29am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Blacks are literally the lowest of the low – they will turn the Paris of the West (Detroit) into Lagos in a generation. Deluded Liberals laughably call South Africa the Rainbow Nation but wouldn’t dare walk around Johannesburg by themselves.
  
  The Chinese know this – here is Irish Savant ripping apart a liberal journalist who was shocked at how…..drumroll please…….”racist” the Chinese were!
  
  http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/09/conservative-journals.html?m=0
  
  Are there any conservative English-language journals left? The Spectator had held on longer than most but has been careering over the “liberal” cliff in recent times. Take Carola Binney (please do!) who taught English in China for a year and who was absolutely horrified by the ~~race realism~~ racism there. This ‘conservative’ journalist, when seeking a pictorial exemplar for the word ‘wife’ chose……Michelle Obama! Yes, a six-foot tall black American who looks like (and possibly is) a man was chosen rather than, well, a Chinese wife. Poor Carola was devastated by the eruption of revulsion that followed. ‘Oh, so ugly!’ ‘Looks like a monkey’. ‘So black!’
  
  She was also astonished to learn that the Chinese believed Africans belonged in Africa. What a crazy thought! Shaking her head she writes that their ‘ideas about racial hierarchies are not outdated pseudo-science but unquestioned belief’. (Note: ‘pseudo-science’ is libtard-speak for…’science’). This reached its logical conclusion when a prominent national politician asked rhetorically whether pressure to allow in Africans would ‘change China from a yellow country to a yellow and black country’. In case there was any doubt about his own views he explained that Africans brought ‘poverty, drugs, sexual assault and infectious diseases’. Which of course had the writer clutching her pearls in horror
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:49am
  - mikenmild
    
    Perhaps you ‘modern’ national socialists have a plan for dealing with those blacks.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:50am
    - JasonJohns
      
      ‘Blacks are the lowest of the low’
      
      – I imagine EAD feels he has a Biblical proof for this contention. People like Kimbo promote an unashamedly non-racial version of Christianity on Kiwiblog, but the alt-right has promoted ‘Christian Identity’ theology. Christian ID says that only whites can follow Christ and that blacks and Jews are the spawn of Satan. EAD will probably be able to defend this interpretation of scripture himself.
      
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      September 12, 2017 12:07pm
  - mikenmild
    
    BTW, here’s a short list of the other candidates for ‘Paris of the West’ – whatever that actually means:
    Abidjan, Ivory Coast
    Buenos Aires, Argentina
    Cincinnati, USA
    Denver, USA
    Merida, Mexico
    Montreal, Canada
    San Francisco, USA
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:53am
  - mikenmild
    
    Bonus points for the gratuitous abuse of Michelle Obama. He’s all class, your Irish ‘Savant’.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:54am
  - GoVege
    
    You’ve outdone yourself this time EAD..
    
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    September 12, 2017 11:04am
- MCos
  
  Ask EQC and the insurance companies who put in the false claims in Christchurch.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:00am
  - Inandout
    
    That is a dicey statement.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:17am
    - MCos
      
      It’s not a statement.
      I’m not saying that white collar crime is committed by any particular race. I’ll leave that to the people here who are keen to point out that the bad buggers are people not like them.
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:58am
      - Happychappy
        
        MCos can you produce facts or is this all hearsay.
        
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        September 12, 2017 11:58am
- kowtow
  
  Looting in the Caribbean , no local control, that’s now being provided by white troops flown in from Europe.
  
  The New Orleans Superdome story was also suppressed by a cowering , reverse racist media.
  
  A media that is very quick to point out, highlight any so called white , nationalist or far right violence but is extremely coy about non white crime / violence.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:42am
- RF
  
  Starboard
  
  It’s s like watching TV 1 & 3 when they show Auckland news…..
  
  The only difference in the TV news is that the cars in the USA are left hand drive.
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:29am
Paulus

I am putting together the List of committee members for Cinderella’s dream Tax team.
Any help would be appreciated.
So far
Helen Clark – Chair (well she looks like it)
Grunter Robertson – Secretary – he will take down the minutes.
Michael Cullen – call me Sir – former failure.
Brian Gould – give me a job at Waikato ? Uni Helen please – failure
Bill Rosenberg – prejudiced Union economist
Angry Little – failure
David ? from Dunedin – Suspect ex Lawyer
Fran Wilde – failure – needs the $2,000 per day plus expenses as unemployed.
Dr Peter Davis – Auckland University (job found by wife after suspect affairs in Christchurch).
Phil Goff – another failure needs the money.
Lianne Dalziel – needs another distraction.
Jim Anderson – Christchurch hero.
Annette King – knows the crooks personally.
Anybody from the Salvation Army Political Division.
Cameron Slater as he supporter of Cinderella – and needs the money

Am sure many others can be added but havn’t time as on Hospital parade.
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September 12, 2017 8:32am
- starboard
  
  Actually, Jim ” Anderton” is almost dead.Very frail and living in a rest home.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:32am
  - RF
    
    Sadly suffers from dementia.
    
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    September 12, 2017 11:38am
    - Happychappy
      
      You wouldn’t wish it on your worst enemy, I dislike the man for his Politics but it is sad for any human being to end up like that.
      
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      September 12, 2017 12:02pm
    - Jack5
      
      I’m sorry to hear that. I didn’t share Jim’s political views, but he has been a decent bloke and an active contributor to society.
      
      Dementia is tough on the sufferer’s family. They deserve our sympathy.
      
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      September 12, 2017 3:24pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    I’m sorry to hear that, but I’m confused as I thought he was one of the agitators for the cathedral restoration.
    
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    September 13, 2017 8:09am
lifesgood

And in other news…poor old WO still doing his best to undermine National and BE. Even one of his mods now claiming inside knowledge. Funny that since National refuse to deal with him. Of course he has his sycophants agreeing with his every word but he also has an increasing number not agreeing.
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September 12, 2017 8:32am
- mandk
  
  Why do you concern yourself with WO trying to undermine National and BE?
  
  I think he probably has less influence than our own dear Penny.
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:50am
  - Piniwi
    
    Ah but mandk he has followed Labour’s intern model so he now has several ways for denial.
    
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    September 12, 2017 3:34pm
oldpark

Great to see that now it has been revealed that the architect of Lie-bours Campaign is the UN reject Helen Clark. Clark who was run out of town by John Key is behind the scenes puling Arderns strings.
If Clark can do it so can National. Our man for all Reasons and Seasons has joined Nationals’ Campaign. Evidence was learned that Lie-bour/Green mafia if elected would open NZs floodgates to refugees ,the same way the German PM Angela Merkel did, for a no quota for refugees.
Hopefully John Key can make sure that NZs way of life and Rockstar economy ,stays that way .After all what person with any common sense,, would vote for tax increases,a busted economy ,and NZ floodgates opened to a no quota influx of Muslim Refugees,
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September 12, 2017 8:35am
VicParking

The NZ dollar has started its dive. We have been lucky that the North Korean, Irma and other factors has limited the fall to date. Commodity prices are also falling which will not help farmers, although a weaker NZ dollar will help.
Imports will cost more, wages will rise, unionism will reduce productivity and taxes/levies will increase. Recession is just around the corner unless: TWO VOTES BLUE
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September 12, 2017 8:39am
- Inandout
  
  Anyone in the travel industry should be able to pick a trend toward people closing wallets, because that area relies on disposable income.
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:49am
  - CHFR1
    
    I have to admit I am a little worried about this as this is my industry and as a broker I rely on repeat business. I have just had my best year in 11 years and am dreading going back to the GFC days (aka last Labour government) as it nearly wiped out some of my good clients.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:00am
    - Inandout
      
      Almost every sector of the self employed is buoyant, but in your industry slim wallets will see a trend toward cost cutting on holidays by planning online. We all know that can lead to horrendous cock ups in a complicated travel itinerary involving connecting flights; and then there are visas.
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:26am
- MCos
  
  After the Brexit vote Sterling crashed. Must have been a terrible decision.
  Before $NZ1 – 40p
  Now 57p
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:03am
  - starboard
    
    MCos..reminds me of an old stale vegetarian burger from the golden arches…heh
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:35am
  - mandk
    
    Nothing to do with Brexit.
    
    NZD has been above GBP0.4 for more than 8 years.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:50am
- krazykiwi
  
  I believe the NZD will fall to ~55 over the first two years of a Labour led government. Ironically Cullen is probably advising Robo that the subsequent lift in export earnings will offset the tax raping which farmers are expecting.
  
  Also, it’s possible to claim any trend if start and end periods are chosen – a favourite trick of the climate alarmists.
  
  In this case, the NZD/USD is
  – Flat over 10 years
  – Down over 5 years
  – Up over 2 years
  – Flat over 12 months
  – Down over one month
  – Up over one week
  – Flat today
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:21am
  - starboard
    
    ..when filling up the unregistered and unwarranted Holden VN @ 3 bucks plus a litre..that will get Liarbor supporters wet.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:37am
  - Piniwi
    
    A bit severe krazikiwi. There will be a minimal early drop but the real crunch will not be felt until the domestic economy crashes. Much depends on the mix it would require to make a Labour coalition which will effect getting all their measures enacted. However most think the tax working group is a smokescreen. Labour have already set and decided on their tax intentions. Taxinda is just there to sell it to the easily confused LCD voter that a “panel of experts” will decide. Bullshit.
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:05pm
- Piniwi
  
  You have the last part right Vic but not the dollar value. It slumped with the first poll that showed Taxinda in front but has rebounded again now a little stronger. Yes it will sure tank if Taxinda gets in and trashes the domestic economy with substantial borrowing scheduled for the first 100 day plan. Don’t monitor commodity prices as constantly as the dollar since the latter effects pension payday every 4 weeks. The firm NZ dollar gives us about the equivalent if of an extra NZ$100 in local currency living in one of the 9 cheapest countries to retire in. So yes tick Two 4 Blue to show you care for old and young Kiwi’s.
  
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  September 12, 2017 3:55pm
JasonJohns

John Ansell says cultural Marxism is the single greatest issue facing NZ. Yet National’s campaign has not even mentioned the word. Why not?
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September 12, 2017 8:42am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Because they wouldn’t like what they saw in the mirror.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:04am
VicParking

“Vote early, vote today”, the shine on the tooth fairies is stating to tarnish so Labour is wanting their votes locked in before its to late. TWO TICKS BLUE
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September 12, 2017 8:42am
- kevn
  
  Yes, 2 ticks. I might vote early anyway. Beat the queues, it looks like there could be a bigger turnout (weather depending of course…)
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:00am
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:14am
    - Gabby
      
      Tulixpu
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:26pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I’m hoping for a mini Irma
    
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    September 12, 2017 1:05pm
- Souvlaki
  
  You forgot ” vote often..”?
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:38am
  - kowtow
    
    Ha ha .
    
    The Greek or Irish way?
    
    “Vote Early and Vote Often”
    
    On a serious note , that’s why we should not have postal voting. Democracy is too important to be allowed to be too easy or too manipulated by the unscrupulous.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:47am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Who? Martin Martyn?
    
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    September 12, 2017 1:06pm
- Gabby
  
  TULIXPU
  
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  September 12, 2017 5:28pm
Michael

Jacinda is voting today.
I suspect she will vote two ticks red.
I haven’t made up my mind yet.
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September 12, 2017 9:10am
- VicParking
  
  You have to vote red. That hair, that smile how can you not do anything else. You will get three years of calling everyone Comrade. You will get a unionised job, a new house, free education and thousands of dollars and 52 weeks off everytime you or your partner have a baby. And to boot Helen will be your president. Two ticks Re………..? Blue.
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:24am
- Inandout
  
  She voted after being advised by a working group.
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:36am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Has her committee formed to tell her what she has already decided?
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:40am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Committee???
    You mean Politburo.
    
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    September 12, 2017 11:58am
Rachael Membery

I may be the only one here to read the Labour leaflet lol 😉
The first item re affordable homes doesn’t even make sense to me.
….”And we’ll stop foreign speculators from buying houses unless they build a new one.”
So if they build one they can buy one too?
Building equates to buying?
Foreign speculators will have no where to live unless they build a house and in the meantime they can rent barely available housing stock?
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September 12, 2017 9:11am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I’m confused about this too. What’s a ‘foreign speculator’? We could assume they mean anyone who is not a citizen or permanent resident or Australian citizen.
  
  But what if the buyer is a company? Maybe a NZ company with some overseas shareholders, or even NZ shareholders some of which are companies with their own shareholders. What if a company is primarily engaged in other activity but happens to also own some residential property? Does one drop of Chinese blood contaminate everything downstream of it and make any house purchase illegal? Maybe Phil Twyford can elucidate.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:33am
- KevOB
  
  Stopping foreigners from buying houses in NZ could be very upsetting to our international trading relations. Unintended consequences of a wide mouth before brain.
  
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  September 12, 2017 12:04pm
MT_Tinman

Why is it that manufacturers of products containing chilli do not understand that people who like chilli like chilli?
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September 12, 2017 9:13am
- Dave Mann
  
  I dunno… but what bothers me is why its almost impossible to find Pringles in the supermarket nowadays and when you do find them, they’re the bigger tube ones rather than the traditional smaller tubes. They just don’t taste like Pringles anymore 🙁
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:25am
  - kowtow
    
    Can’t find Pringles ? Great.
    
    “The decision by Kellogg’s, which makes Pringles, Eggo waffles, as well as Special K and Frosted Flakes cereals, among others, will make virtually no revenue impact on Breitbart.com. It does, however, represent an escalation in the war by leftist companies like Target and Allstate against conservative customers whose values propelled Donald Trump into the White House.”
    
    http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2016/12/01/trump-fans-call-for-kelloggs-boycott-after-brand-pulls-breitbart-ads.html
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:50am
  - dime
    
    http://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/p/pringles-salt-vineger-53g/R2225647.html
    
    these guys?
    
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    September 12, 2017 11:02am
    - Colville
      
      right up there with crack cocaine and krispy kreme doughnuts on the addictive scale!
      
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      September 12, 2017 11:26am
fluffykiwi

Listening to the radio this morning I am not sure whether the person meant it as a joke, but to me it had a very serious ring.
He said he was downsizing his business, the pool man was gone, the lawn man was gone and the housekeeper was gone.
So labour a result of your possible election the downsizing of people’s businesses. All those small one man businesses will find themselves out of work and looking for jobs.
From this person’s comments that is a huge number of future unemployed people 1 person getting rid of 3 employees right there and doing the jobs they did himself.
People are starting to feel poor and the votes haven’t even been counted, just by virtue of what labour is signalling.
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September 12, 2017 9:20am
- Rachael Membery
  
  lol that was Mark Richardson on the AM show, sort of a piss take as the rest of the’team’ think of him as a rich prick, when they got to the car cleaner it might have become more obvious, he does bat blue though.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:26am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    It may well have been a “sort of piss take” but there was a very serious ring to it. People have been feeling wealthy enough to have all those people doing the boring jobs. They may well have to do them themselves to save on their budget, so what happens to all those pool people, window cleaners, house cleaners, lawn mowing people.
    These are jobs people can do themselves to save money if they need to.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:30am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Mark went on to say that he might have to supplement his income by washing other peoples cars, it was a great parody.
      
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      September 12, 2017 10:48am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    This is correct. People like to make jokes about ‘trickle-down’ but in fact most discretionary spending leads to money going into the pockets of low income workers. That, plus charitable donations, are the first things that people cut out when the government puts taxes up.
    
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    September 12, 2017 9:38am
Digmen1

It is better to be in a growing country than a declining one.
Look at Bulgaria, they have gone from 9 million to 5 million in twenty years.
When you have more people, there are more jobs, more opportunities, more shops, more entertainment.
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September 12, 2017 9:29am
Michael

I’ve got a lawn man, $20 a fortnight. No pool man, virtually no pools in this neck of the woods, and no housekeeper.
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September 12, 2017 9:33am
- fluffykiwi
  
  Well life isn’t going to improve for you anytime soon with labour in power.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:40am
- VicParking
  
  My housekeeper has told me she has to join the cleaners union and be sent to a health and safety course as she is the H&S rep. To the union conference as she is the union rep and to boot she is pregnant and wants 26 weeks paid leave. If I attempt to do any cleaning myself while she is away she will range a boycott and blockade my house.
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:31am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Wives (how sexist) will have to join the union too as there will be no voluntary housekeeping labour, strikes all around.
    
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    September 12, 2017 10:50am
- sooty
  
  Rich prick.Michael.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:50pm
JasonJohns

Cultural Marxism has now captured even former National Party PMs. They want to increase the study of NZ ‘history’ in schools. http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201858171/former-pms-call-for-more-nz-history-in-schools
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September 12, 2017 9:39am
- mikenmild
  
  Naughty people, wanting kids to know a bit of history.
  Don’t you feel happier in your ignorance, Kea?
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:46am
- VicParking
  
  Is that the History that when the Maoris caught Von Tempsky they tortured him to death and cooked and ate his troops they captured. I think not…
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:36am
  - mikenmild
    
    Do you have a citation for that? The accounts I have read agree that he was killed (shot in the head) in the failed attack on Te Ngutu o Te Manu. Some of the other dead were eaten, but not him apparently
    
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    September 12, 2017 10:51am
    - VicParking
      
      No his ashes were returned to his widow as the tribes held him in high regard.
      Shot in the head but did not die right away. Some dispute over this but of course scrubbed clean by the historians. Same with the canabilism.
      
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      September 12, 2017 1:04pm
      - mikenmild
        
        No citation, or no, you think I am wrong?
        No evidence of this incident being ‘scrubbed clean’. Likewise with cannibalism, as discussed yesterday.
        Moron.
        
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        September 12, 2017 1:22pm
Michael

DPF is disguising himself as a Labour MP just in case there is a change of gummint.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=kiwiblog&form=BDSBTB&pc=BDT3&shash=&BDParam=&mkt=en-US
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September 12, 2017 9:44am
- BrasellBrush
  
  LMFAO…He would be horrified at that Pic of him
  
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  September 12, 2017 12:22pm
flipper

Questi0ns …………
1. When will those who are directly and indirectly “white anting” W English for long past imagined sins “withdraw and apologise”?

2. If Bill fails to cobble together a majority coalition post Sept 23, should he resign as NP Parliamentary Leader?

3 If he does resign, who should replace him – Coleman, Bennett or Adams ?

4. Will the NZ MSM succeed in ordaining their stardust tooth fairy when the US MSM failed?

5. Should TV3 fire tooth prince Gower, bovver-boy Garner and Burr the blob for overt bias toward Jacindageddon?

6. Will TV One fire Vance, Bradford and Dann et al be fired for overt labour Jacindageddon) bias?

7. When will Jacindageddon respond to W Peters’ request that she snd the queer fairy publish details of their proposed seven n(7) new taxes?

8. When will the NZ MSM demand that Jacindageddon and her queer tax fairy answer Peters?

9. When will National start airing effective TV ads?

10. When will the NZ MSM start asking Jacindageddon and F/wit Shaw how they plan to compensate farmers of the cost and effect on consumers (and farmers) of their stupid ETS
taxes ?

11. When will Labour admit that it will lose one (1) Maori electorate seat to the M Party?

12. When will Davis start acting as Jacindgeddon’s deputy?

13. When will Little replace Davis?”

14. When will the next Newshub/Reid and Morgan polls be published??????
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September 12, 2017 9:45am
- ztev
  
  Yawn… what an ignorant rant.
  
  The parties are spending less of taxpayers money on TV ads and more on Facebook etc.
  Thats why you are not seeing their ads on TV
  
  You are so clueless you dont realise more advertising is wasted when ‘you’ are a committed voter.
  Want to know when the next TV3 poll is ‘revealed’
  Get off your lazy bum and tune into their news, you might learn something
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:57am
  - dime
    
    yawn.. what a cocksucker you are ztev.
    
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    September 12, 2017 10:17am
    - Inandout
      
      Leave the cock sucking to those with big teeth..oh, did I just say that?
      
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      September 12, 2017 10:57am
      - itstricky
        
        SWIFTY! KEEPING STOCK!
        
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        September 12, 2017 1:29pm
    - Gabby
      
      dim’s gettin fellatial
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:14pm
      - RF
        
        For Christ sake suck… blow is a figure of speech !!!!!!
        
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        September 12, 2017 9:09pm
  - KevOB
    
    Not from NZ media or churnalists.
    
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    September 12, 2017 12:09pm
  - doggone7
    
    You should’ve picked up by Question 3 it was a pisstake. “Coleman” was the distractor, the joke option, but at “Bennett” you knew for sure it was satire.
    There is no way they can afford to go near her with the dramatic risk factor.
    
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    September 12, 2017 2:05pm
- Manolo
  
  When will National start airing effective TV ads?
  
  Steven Joyce is still thinking about it. Possibly in another week.
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:15am
  - mikenmild
    
    He needs to find a catchy theme song to plagiarise first.
    
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    September 12, 2017 10:21am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      What happened with that beat up? Nothing obviously or it would be being broadcast ad infinitum.
      You poor saddos. Can throw shit but when any is returned someone has to come to your rescue.
      
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      September 12, 2017 10:57am
      - mikenmild
        
        Judge is still thinking about it. Said a ruling would take 3-4 months.
        
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        September 12, 2017 11:21am
    - starboard
      
      This will make you shiver..Dyson and co trying to sing, funny, a line in the song says ” it takes more than a smile to run a country “.
      
      https://youtu.be/eOGQ-4fR0YQ
      
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      September 12, 2017 11:24am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        How bloody awful was that ?
        
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        September 12, 2017 12:06pm
      - RF
        
        Witches of Eastwick.
        
        God they are ugly.
        
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        September 12, 2017 9:16pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  1. Never
  2. Probably not
  3. Collins (because this)
  4. Sadly, probably yes.
  5. Yes, but sadly they won’t
  6. Never
  7. She has (dishonestly) already
  8. Never – sadly
  9. Never
  10. Nope
  11. Nope
  12. Never
  13. Never – Little will replace Ardern when she gets up the duff to her beta-male Gaylord
  14. Good question – but probably a depressing one as they’re likely to be doing the same as the bogus US polls do and over-sampling the Left.
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:25am
JasonJohns

To get a good picture of life under Jacinda just watch the absorbing 1980s semi-documentary Red Dawn.
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September 12, 2017 9:45am
Michael

Question.
If Labour become the gummint will I have to get rid of my lawn man?
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September 12, 2017 9:59am
Nostalgia-NZ

Lot of resignation in the air this morning, nobody ever heard the phrase ‘keep battling on?’ But is it a battle anyway?, he/she who gets the most votes wins (usually.) All the last 3 elections have been tight, it’s not the left or the right that wins elections but the choices of the middle. Knowing many people in Auckland who have been outbid at auctions tells me that Labour’s plan to go the same way as Aussie for new arrivals to build their own homes is probably going to resonate, more than water taxes, the price of steak increasing or anything else. At the moment that may be a telling factor for younger people so Labour have been smart. Jacinda was also smart in not ditching the greens, whatever her reason was it must have been plain to her that the greens vote would rebound, it also allows some of the Remuera house wives room to continue voting green. Meanwhile we get to read about Joyce’s economic marks while at university and that concern about youth suicide is an attack on the elderly. It’s not Bill that’s losing the plot but the half cocked gumbos shoving their boots in their mouths. When JK won he’d gone into Mangere, Otahuhu and areas like that and the working people liked him, he largely maintained his credibility with them. A sense of resignation in an Army is fatal, check out the mirror guys you’ve forgotten how John built his castle because some of you never approved of it and ignorantly thought he was kowtowing to the ‘wrong people’ – but he was the winner. If Jacinda draws those people to her she will be the winner and I personally will think that we lost a top helmsman – Bill English. But rather than turn things upside down, that Jacinda (if she wins and it still is ‘if’) will follow Bill’s plans at least initially just as John followed Helens, so to use what may be an American style language give up on the post mortems already.
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September 12, 2017 10:03am
Manolo

The whole world is to blame, says the crook:
https://news.grabien.com/story-two-minutes-clinton-blames-comey-russia-wikileaks-facebook-v

Hillary Clinton believes that were it not for James Comey, Russia, Wikileaks, Facebook, fake news, voter ID laws, or America’s “endemic” sexism and misogyny, she would currently be president of the United States.
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September 12, 2017 10:07am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  From the Steve Bannon parody Twitter feed…
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:13am
  - sooty
    
    Man, that was a lot of people against her!
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:55pm
Michael

Question.
If Labour becomes the gummint will I have to get rid of my BMW 4 series coupe?
https://www.bmw-dubai.com/en/all-models/4-series/coupe/2017/design.html
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September 12, 2017 10:12am
- Dave Mann
  
  Stop obsessing about your silly BMW. What I want to know is will a Labour gummint guarantee me Pringles (in the slimmer tube) ????
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:33am
- OTGO
  
  And if you do get rid of it and make a capital gain you’ll pay tax on it.
  
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  September 12, 2017 1:48pm
Digmen1

If Labour get in watch the exodus to Australia resume.
The only people left will be pensioners like me, and some Labour politicians.

We are lucky that people want to come here with our long miserable winter/spring, and our high priced consumer goods and groceries.
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September 12, 2017 10:18am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  Winter sure has been dragging on.
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:33am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well go back to bed like most of the unemployed do.
    
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    September 12, 2017 11:06am
kowtow

This piece of shit should hang and so should the politicians who have destroyed Europes’ criminal justice system , borders and security for European citizens. The illegal migration is a crime against the people of Europe.

‘It is still unclear how old Hussein K. is, or where he is from, but his arrest in November last year nonetheless created huge media interest, as it has highlighted holes in European security procedures.

Critics of the government’s refugee policies also suggest that Hussein K., who had already been convicted of attempted murder in Greece, was only able to enter the country because Germany had stopped controlling its borders.

One of the most controversial aspects of the case is that Hussein K. had been sentenced to 10 years in jail in Greece in 2013 after he pushed a young woman off a cliff on the island of Corfu.

But at the end of October 2015 he was placed on parole with the requirement to report to police every month. Officials then lost trace of him two months after he was released.’

https://www.thelocal.de/20170911/defendant-admits-guilt-in-trial-over-murder-and-rape-of-freiburg-student
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September 12, 2017 10:24am
Michael

Question.
If Labour get in and there is an exodus to Australia does that mean house prices will fall?
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September 12, 2017 10:25am
- Dave Mann
  
  Stop obsessing about your silly
  house prices. What I want to know is will a Labour gummint guarantee me Pringles (in the slimmer tube) ???
  
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  September 12, 2017 10:46am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yes, Dave they will, but only chicken flavoured Pringles, the socialist preference so everyone must have the same flavour. ?
    
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    September 12, 2017 10:56am
- Piniwi
  
  No way Michael. Firstly because A)Taxinda has assured home owners this will not happen on her watch and B) Also since Cullen is the author of their policy they will buy them all up to meet the increased demand for state houses. We know he is a big spender. The Kiwi Rail deal will be their bench mark.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:27pm
Hugh Pavletich

NZ PM spins housing failure. Promises first home buyer bribe – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/nz-pm-spins-housing-failure-promises-first-home-buyer-bribe/

… concluding …

… New Zealand needs genuine action on both the demand and supply-sides. And only Labour seems to have comprehensive policies (see here and here).
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September 12, 2017 10:55am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Do you not know how annoying you are.
  I have had two children and their partners (one in 30’s with children and one lot in their 20’s) enter the housing markets in the past two years, both had assistance through Kiwisaver etc, all three of my children work, none are academically gifted, what ever that means.
  Daughter is a qualified chef, one son is a class 5 truck driver and my other son has just started an apprenticeship in a job that he has been doing the practical of for years.
  Leave things alone, change for change sake should be reserved for paint and wallpaper.
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:08am
  - Piniwi
    
    Stick to him Rachael. Great to see so many savvy Sheila’s here who know the real story of what makes NZ great. Many proud parents have nurtured their children to have what it takes. Now days in their homes it is done their way as they are even better at parenting than we were. The grandchildren are developing into beautiful young people upping the pride levels even more.
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:40pm
- Happychappy
  
  Hugh are we going to get yesterday’s posts from a senile bitter twisted prick again today.
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:10am
- MrTips
  
  Sorry, missed it yesterday Hugh. So how many rentals do you own?
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:28am
Prince

Labour pledges more funding for Radio NZ.
“Labour has today launched its media and film policy aimed at strengthening New Zealand’s identity and providing sustainability for the industry, says Leader of the Opposition Jacinda Ardern.

…And there’s the payback for their increasingly frantic efforts to elect Labour.
JC and the Moaning Report team will be cracking open the champagne tonight.
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September 12, 2017 10:59am
- waikatogirl
  
  First rule of a lefty govt, control the media. Propaganda is a powerful lever of control.
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:23am
  - Piniwi
    
    Thats Clarkes future assured as a big chunk will be wasted for NZ on Air.
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:43pm
- rangitoto
  
  The hole got bigger.
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:29am
  - waikatogirl
    
    What hole, there is NO hole! ?
    Lol
    
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    September 12, 2017 1:56pm
- KevOB
  
  Why bother they already own RNZ and TVNZ including all the staff and others seeking media positions.
  
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  September 12, 2017 12:13pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yep, they’re going to turn Red Radio into a state-funded multi-media outlet to control the masses.
  This is exactly what the Savage Govt. did in the ’30s. Nobody but the Govt. could operate a radio transmitter. It wasn’t fixed until the sixties and the arrival of Radio Hauraki.
  Talk about winding back the clock. And don’t say they couldn’t control the internet. China can.
  You have been warned.
  
  TWO TICKS BLUE !!!
  
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  September 12, 2017 12:32pm
  - Gabby
    
    TULIXPU !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!!
    
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    September 12, 2017 5:06pm
  - KevOB
    
    ☑️☑️
    
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    September 12, 2017 7:06pm
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Yup, only cost $38mil to buy the media
  
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  September 12, 2017 12:37pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    This funding should be contestable. Why should you have to pay to access business information on NBR meaning it’s only accessible to a few. But red radio is state funded. Shocking.
    
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    September 12, 2017 12:53pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      NBR turn a profit and have something sensible that one wants to read
      
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      September 12, 2017 1:28pm
  - sooty
    
    Article on stuff today, TVs going out of fashion. There go the journalist.
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:59pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I note that Comcast’s shares dropped significantly on Wall Street yesterday. It is the parent company of the left leaning MSNBC network.
  Apparently left leaning media outlets can barely exist without taxpayer input.
  
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  September 12, 2017 1:25pm
Stars And Stripes

Some quotes recently overheard:
“You kids better fucking shut up or I will bash you”
(Yesterday at the supermarket)
“If that judge sends me to jail I will fuck him up”
(Today outside the district court)
“That chick is a hoe and she deserved it”
(Yesterday in town)

The beauty of Māori Language Week.
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September 12, 2017 11:03am
- Kimbo
  
  So, more “Post It Notes from Stars and Stripes” today? 😉
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:09am
- Colville
  
  add to the list..
  
  “fuck you i didnt nick nuttin”
  
  from the fat chick with a couple of meat packs stuffed in her jacket, at pak and save last night.
  She could punch tho!, the security dude was very restrained in not giving her the bash!
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:42am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I think I can top that.
    
    I got called an old white female genitalia slang for remonstrating with a woman who left her two children in their car seats, parked in the loading bay facing the wrong way, ‘cause she was ‘only five minutes’, ‘only popped in to get some juice’ that took two yellow bags (full), two cereal boxes and ‘the juice’, all gathered, scanned and paid for in five minutes.
    
    Not an indigenous but a piece of middle eastern detritus, so yeah, maori language week going gang busters!
    
    fmlw
    
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    September 12, 2017 1:35pm
    - itstricky
      
      You guys come up with some sadly desperate beat ups sometimes but this one takes the proverbial cake.
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:22pm
- Jack5
  
  And the female announcers on Radio NZ’s Labour Programme are signing of as “ho’s”.
  
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  September 12, 2017 11:43am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    My foreign visitor was some what perplexed. He said he had heard it several times on RNZ.
    That woman said call Katrina Batten a Ho.
    I tried to explain that she actually said;
    Ko Katrina Batten a hau.
    The “ko” can sound like a “call” unless you exercise incredible care in your listening.
    
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    September 12, 2017 1:29pm
- doggone7
  
  If the language on the streets deteriorates and the sentiment behind it worsens, it could get as bad as that on this site.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:25pm
Tarquin North

Over on WO there is talk of Jacinda being pregnant which is apparently causing poor Clarkes outrage.
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September 12, 2017 11:45am
- KevOB
  
  Sometimes the real dirt does appear first on WO.
  
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  September 12, 2017 12:15pm
  - Tarquin North
    
    Would be the perfect parachute, just hand the reins over to the unions and be safe in the knowledge nobody can attack a pregnant former leader no matter how much she has lied over the last few weeks. The trojan horse scenario is complete.
    
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    September 12, 2017 12:32pm
    - sooty
      
      What happens to her pension if she dont come back. Does she have to serve so long as PM, to get all 5he addons.
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:13pm
    - RF
      
      Shit… I like that.
      
      My little comrade is a trojan horse.
      
      That would stuff up the first 100 days with your head in a toilet calling for herb.
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:28pm
- cmm
  
  Well nothing like a pregnancy to bring out the feelz in the female voting population.
  
  Only one way to top that would be to have a miscarriage, but I would never wish that on anybody.
  
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  September 12, 2017 1:24pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Not one of your better comments cmm
    
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    September 12, 2017 1:36pm
    - cmm
      
      Sorry, what upset you?
      
      Pregnancy always brings out the feelz. Look at how the Royal Watchers are going crazy over the next Royal baby.
      
      So does a huge personal loss like a miscarriage, but as I said I’d never wish that on anyone.
      
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      September 12, 2017 2:05pm
      - Inandout
        
        A new poll: boy or girl?
        
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        September 12, 2017 3:08pm
Jack5

Bolger and Palmer have climbed in at Radio Labour on Maori language week, calling for more teaching of NZ ~~revised~~ history.

Bolger, who was famous, hick that he was, for mimicking foreign leaders’ accents, talks of the need for more study.

And Palmer, hopeless as a politician except for trying to fuck up our constitution!

Do Maori need friends like these?
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September 12, 2017 11:48am
JasonJohns

They should teach the truth Jack5.
That whites were the indigenous people of NZ.
That the NZ Wars were defensive measure by a British Empire brutally assaulted.
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September 12, 2017 12:18pm
- mikenmild
  
  Kea, you should stick to the milder line of Jack5 & co, and talk about ‘revised’ history, never specifying what you mean of course.
  When you witter on about pre-Maori ‘white’ settlers, you lose everyone except the most hardened cranks.
  
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  September 12, 2017 12:46pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Would you call John Ansell and Don Brash cranks Mike?
    
    i would not.
    
    And I am no bird.
    
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    September 12, 2017 12:58pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Not like you to deny you are Kea. Is that a new trick?
      John Ansell is a complete loony.
      To the extent that Don Brash laps up the pseudo-history in his quixotic quest, then he is a crank too. Possibly just senility.
      
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      September 12, 2017 1:21pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        Delta on a Friday. I’ll be there.
        
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        September 12, 2017 2:41pm
Ross12

She has not even been elected yet but the farmers in her home town are about start protesting.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11921382

Everyone says that elections are won in the big cities –maybe, but it will not surprise if the National party vote in the rural areas and the provincial cities has a massive increase this time.
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September 12, 2017 12:20pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I’m surprised the people of Morrinsville have held their tongues this long. Morrinsville is a town that is well supported on the back of farming and suffers economically when the farming community isn’t doing well. Good to see some fight back coming from the farming community and particular poignant with Cindy claiming it as her home town.
  
  Tractor power!! ? ? ? ? ? ?
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:07pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    I reckon/bet Jazz will cancel her trip to Morrinsville – ‘2 Bob to a nugget of goat shit’ as the saying goes. She’s already under pressure and more so now that the latest Poll isn’t putting her Party at the top.
    And the boyfriend will be very busy on the keyboard defending his ‘Precious Princess’.
    Interesting week ahead.
    
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    September 12, 2017 10:24pm
Andrei

This election is turning into a circus

Our politicians are a bunch of clowns
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September 12, 2017 12:26pm
KevOB

Hus and kotis.

Beware the revisionists.
The Treaty with the English Crown was to prevent tribes killing and eating each other in local revenge customs. Muskets had made it serious.

There was never a unified language because of tribalism. The native language finishes about 1840.

That was once properly taught to children in our schools.
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September 12, 2017 12:28pm
- mikenmild
  
  You are mistaken. The Musket Wars had ended by the mid-a830s when the balance of power had been somewhat restored by the spread of firearms.
  The primary motivation for the British government in seeking a treaty and colonial presence in new Zealand was to control the European population.
  
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  September 12, 2017 12:49pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep. Am also surprised KevOB seems oblivious to the fact that Christian conversion also, with some exceptions, had an affect in reducing the nature and extent of inter-tribal Maori warfare by the late 1830s, and also later when waged against the Crown in the Far North in the 1840s, and in the campaigns of the 1860s. For instance, Kawiti lost one of his pa in 1846 because his men would not find on a Sunday.
    
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    September 12, 2017 12:56pm
    - nasska
      
      The bloody Godwhacks were meddling then too it seems.
      
      If they’d stayed out of it & let the primitives settle things in their own way we might have been spared Maori Language Week. 🙂
      
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      September 12, 2017 1:04pm
      - mikenmild
        
        They can’t rest if there’s still a place on Earth that hasn’t heard their ‘good news’.
        
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        September 12, 2017 1:18pm
      - nasska
        
        So many children to mistreat, misinform & molest…..so little time!
        
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        September 12, 2017 1:23pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Talking about school teachers again, naaska?
        
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        September 12, 2017 1:52pm
    - Kimbo
      
      typo: fight on a Sunday
      
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      September 12, 2017 1:05pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I’m not sure about that story about Kawiti. One school of thought is that the apparent abandonment of the pa was a deliberate ruse to lure the British into an ambush. There seems little reason to suppose Maori would refuse to fight on a Sunday – they did so on other occasions.
      
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      September 12, 2017 1:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        May have been a propaganda point then – like the Israelis being attacked on Yom Kippur in 1973. 😉
        
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        September 12, 2017 1:11pm
    - KevOB
      
      Any generality is a sum of the variant details.
      I prefer to keep the truths presented to an earlier generation when revisionism had not then appeared.
      From my years in the Pacific I have a reasonable background to judge historical re-presentations.
      
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      September 12, 2017 3:53pm
      - mikenmild
        
        You are not making a very good case if it boils down to “I know better than you”.
        If as you allege, latter-day historians have changed the story, you should be easily able to point to the original record and show how this has been changed by later historians.
        It is very easy for fuckwits on a blog to claim that our history has been revised or rewritten, but when challenged, said fuckwits never have any substance to these whinges.
        
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        September 12, 2017 4:07pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    The Musket Wars continued well into the twentieth century Mike. You have been drinking from the poison spring of revisionist cultural Marxist history.
    
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    September 12, 2017 12:57pm
    - mikenmild
      
      In case you are serious, Kea, the term Musket Wars refers to the inter-tribal conflicts of the 1820s and 1830s. The New Zealand Wars (or Land Wars/Maori Wars/Anglo-Maori Wars) date between 1845 and 1872, although some commentators extend the sequence to cover smaller incidents such as Parihaka (1881), the Dog-Tax Rebellion (1898) and the raid on Rua Kenana’s settlement (1916).
      
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      September 12, 2017 1:14pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        Those are revisionist books you’re using, Mike. The Musket Wars didn’t finally end til 1943.
        
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        September 12, 2017 1:42pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Tell me more of your fascinating tale. What happened in 1943? The Battle of Manners Street?
        
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        September 12, 2017 1:46pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        The Dog-Tax Rebellion is still on-going in Glen Innes, as far as I can tell.
        (Rottweilers and half-breeds the lot of them.)
        
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        September 12, 2017 1:50pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, you say:” … the term Musket Wars refers to the inter-tribal conflicts of the 1820s and 1830s.”
        
        Are you arguing that the British ended them?
        
        Perhaps if the British hadn’t colonised New Zealand the French would have sent in the Foreign Legion to bang brown heads together.
        
        But think of the mess for our printers and computer keyboards if the French had colonised the country.
        
        As well as macrons we would now have grave accents, acute accents, circumflexes for vowels, what the French call tréma (ë, ï, ü), the cedilla that can go under a “c”, and a couple of ligatures – æ and œ. Sacré fucking bleu!
        
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        September 12, 2017 2:04pm
      - KevOB
        
        That may be an academic use of musket wars now but not earlier. More revisionism. Academia does not determine reality.
        
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        September 12, 2017 3:55pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Academia does not determine reality.
        
        But it does have various tools and approaches at its disposal to try and uncover reality beyond the “flat text” and often conflicting anecdote of original participants – or those who purport to have access to them.
        
        Then again, like most charismatics who assume and confuse their own human impulses are the voice of God, I’m not surprised you think you have a fast track short cut beyond the hard work of research.
        
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        September 12, 2017 3:57pm
JasonJohns

True, the Maori language does not exist. The one we have was invented by Thomas Kendall and Hongi Hika during their visit to England.
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September 12, 2017 12:49pm
- mikenmild
  
  You might be mistaking the development of a Maori orthography for the ‘invention’ of the language, Kea. Or, you might just be bullshitting for fun again.
  
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  September 12, 2017 1:10pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How many Maori languages were there, prior to the creation of standard written version (an orthography)?
  
  Imagine for a moment that there were three Maori languages, but only one was taken to be the “standard” by Thomas Kendall and Hongi Hika. What happens to any records of the other two? (There wouldn’t be any after that date, giving the illusion that there was only ever a single, unified tongue.)
  
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  September 12, 2017 1:55pm
  - mikenmild
    
    There are varying dialects of Maori, but it is essentially the same language. Had their been distinct languages in New Zealand, one would have thought that the languages in the Cook Islands and Chatham Islands would be markedly different.
    
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    September 12, 2017 2:13pm
    - Jack5
      
      Here’s a language site that gives a view on Moriori’s relationship to Maori. It includes this:
      
      On purely linguistic grounds, however, it seems to be justified to classify Moriori as a separate language.
      
      The site, which includes an example of Moriori being spoken:
      
      http://www.omniglot.com/writing/moriori.htm
      
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      September 12, 2017 3:05pm
    - RF
      
      I know a Maori youth from Bluff who went to the far north for a brief holiday. He had great difficulty understanding the language claiming that locals spoke very quickly and words were difficult to distinguish.
      
      I guess it like me trying to understand an Irishman.
      
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      September 12, 2017 9:38pm
- KevOB
  
  And later politicised revisionists. They can’t even get the grammar right for the naming of their native language week–it’s English. (Other Polynesians are borrowing English grammar forms too in their “street” language.)
  
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  September 12, 2017 3:57pm
Prince

Loving the ‘neutral’ Stuff Live Politics feed today.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96738720/live-on-the-campaign-trail–september-12
Four photos of Ardern voting early, with breathless updates from Kirk and Cooke on who she might be voting for. The handheld selfie with Gayford. The ‘I Voted’ sticker. The claim that Left voters generally have a lower turnout (evidence ?).

Then Small and Walters covering Ardern’s rejection of Neoliberalism on RNZ, Link to the full interview.
And more about Labour pledging $35M to RNZ.
And the Greens pledging $5M to queer and gender-neutral youth.
And IRD denies leaking Peters material.

Who needs a campaign budget when you have Stuff editors.

And National……nothing. Not a skerrick. Zilch. No photos. No feeds.
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September 12, 2017 12:56pm
- GoVege
  
  “Queer. ..youth”?
  I wonder why they have society’s highest suicide rate.
  
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  September 12, 2017 9:43pm
Manolo

And National……nothing. Not a skerrick. Zilch. No photos. No feeds.

One wonders: is Steven Joyce, National’s campaign manager, a Labour mole, a saboteur? 🙂
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September 12, 2017 1:08pm
- Digmen1
  
  I got a flier in the mail today!
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:57pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/96745371/un-agrees-to-toughestever-sanctions-against-north-korea

UN puts up a huge sanctions package to punish the Nork regime.

Fucking clueless nobheads…

Kim Jon and his regime will still get all the oil they need. They will still get all the food and cars and pate de foie gras and bloody everything they want.

A few sanction busters will also profit and some UN fuckwits who drink wine in their nice airconditioned apartments will feel smug.

The only people who will suffer from this are the people who have no control over what is going on there. The poor buggers are already eating grass soup.

I lived in South Africa during the the apartheid era sanctions. Did that stop the big wigs getting anything? Nope. It drove up some costs for middle class people, but not by an onerous amount. But the people who were impacted hardest were the poorest (ie. generally the black people) who had no say in the matter.

Government programmes generally achieve the opposite of their stated goals, but to really, really, fuck things up requires the UN!
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September 12, 2017 1:21pm
Tom Barker

And what did you do to fight apartheid during that era, CMM?
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September 12, 2017 1:27pm
- Jack5
  
  That’s a pretty tough question to put to a former South African, Tom.
  
  My guess is that the smarter South African whites knew that international sanctions would bring apartheid to its knees, but knew the mess that would be left. The economy could not possibly lift non-whites to the living standard of whites, thus white living standards would dive.
  
  It might have been noble for whites to fight apartheid, but would it have been rational?
  
  (Is there any question that it was international pressure, sanctions, and boycotts that brought down apartheid, and colonial Southern Rhodesia?)
  
  It’s easy to hand out blame in hindsight. A bit like asking some old German whether they were a pacifist in Nazi Germany – an express route to the concentration camps. With American bombs raining down by day and British bombs by night it would have been hard not to be patriotic even though the cause was evil.
  
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  September 12, 2017 1:49pm
- cmm
  
  The point I was making is that the sanctions did not help much. They might have made for a few inconveniences for rich people, but they made things worse for the people at the bottom.
  
  I’m sure it made some people in NZ who were pro-sactions feel good about themselves that they were “doing their bit” and “fighting apartheid”, but in fact they hurt the poorer (ie. black people) more than anyone else. “fighting” sounds very brave, especially when you’re not putting your balls on the line and are going home to a warm bed and a solid meal every night.
  
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  September 12, 2017 1:49pm
Tom Barker

Gutless rationalising, both of you. I know many white South Africans who were tireless at opposing the ruthless and indefensible regime they lived under. You evidently didn’t bother to try.
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September 12, 2017 1:52pm
- Jack5
  
  Tom I’ve never been to South Africa, so don’t accuse me of gutless rationalising.
  
  Of course apartheid could not survive, but you surely can’t argue that the end and transition has been successful economically.
  
  I disagree with CMM that sanctions were ineffective. Embargoes, particularly on oil and armaments, must have been the key loads on the apartheid government in its last days.
  
  As for the anti-apartheid protesters in NZ: some were genuine, some were sanctimonious virtue signallers.
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:13pm
  - mikenmild
    
    He’s not arguing anything of the sort. He’s merely making the commonplace observation that few white South Africans did much to end their own racial privileges.
    
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    September 12, 2017 2:14pm
    - Jack5
      
      Milky, there are racial privileges in NZ, in voting, in State assignment of property and in a few other areas.
      
      Are more than a few doing anything to end them?
      
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      September 12, 2017 2:21pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Bullshit.
        This is a common argument from the ignorant and uniformed, that the Maori electoral roll and land law are somehow comparable with apartheid.
        Even you should know better than that.
        
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        September 12, 2017 2:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        You deny there are racial privileges in NZ, Milky?
        
        Explain, please, the assignment to one race, ownership of a portion of the radio spectrum that covers NZ.
        
        Explain, please, the assignment to one section of one race, in perpetuity, first and second rights to purchase State owned property in the South Island.
        
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        September 12, 2017 2:57pm
  - cmm
    
    Jack5
    
    I have no problems with the idea of applying military sanctions on a country like South Africa during apartheid, or on Nork.
    
    That is a very different thing to the broad-brushed sanctions that impact on the people – especially in a country like Nork where only maybe 1% of the people actually have any influence over the regime and the rest are living squalid lives.
    
    Even oil is a marginal thing. You can be assured that some oil will always get through and the regime will take its needs before anyone else gets some. Therefore it hurts the people at the bottom more than those at the top.
    
    Did military sanctions stop South Africa? I am sure they did hurt to an extent in South Africa’s war in Angola.
    
    However it also forced the development of a local arms industry that later sold weapons all around the world. Nett result: heavy duty weaponry in Yemen, Libya, South America, Middle East… the law of unintended consequences is a bitch.
    
    It is also worth considering that the embargo on military supplies to South Africa only really impacted on conducting war in Angola.
    
    They had no impact on any apartheid struggle in South Africa. South Africa never used any artillery etc against local populations. The only exception to that would be helicopters which would have had a shared military/police role.
    
    All the weaponry used inside South Africa to prop up apartheid was small arms (pistols, rifles, shotguns, tear gas etc) and modified trucks for mine proofing and riot work etc.
    
    Much of the army/police action within South Africa was stopping warring black groups from killing each other. Something that continues today.
    
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    September 12, 2017 3:41pm
- cmm
  
  It is really easy to take such a “black and white” stance from thousands of miles away when you can’t see the more complicated picture on the ground.
  
  I knew many white South Africans who were very anti-apartheid too, some of whom went to jail. Yes I opposed apartheid and did some things, but perhaps not up to the standards you demand.
  
  But I also knew many people who opposed the system but tried to make the system more liveable for those at the bottom end of the spectrum in day-to-day life. That’s often way more helpful to the people at the bottom end than direct militant action.
  
  I find it somewhat ironic that many of the most militant people I knew are now cozied up with the ANC with nice ANC jobs and are living in gated communities protected from the “rabble”.
  
  Those at the other end who were helping people on a day-to-day basis are still doing that because there is still a need for them to do so because getting rid of one evil has just replaced it with another evil.
  
  But that’s not the point of what I was trying to make.
  
  Applying sanctions is a response that makes the people applying the sanctions feel good about themselves that they are doing something. However it generally ends up hurting the worst off people the most.
  
  When people in Nork are already eating grass soup, does it really help to stress their exporters and shut down businesses so there is even less employment and less resources? Is that going to force the masses to rise up against The Kim family and the government?
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:24pm
- JasonJohns
  
  Perhaps CMM was a white patriot?
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:42pm
Don the Kiwi

Stop being an arsehole, Tom.
Oh wait, – he can’t help it
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September 12, 2017 2:03pm
BrasellBrush

Hmmmmm…Lighten the mood?
Jokes about Communism are only funny when everybody gets it.
I couldn’t work out why the ball (Tax) was getting bigger…Till it hit me.
The old man fell in to a well (fiscal hole), because he couldn’t see that well (fiscal hole)……
Haha Left voters!
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September 12, 2017 2:19pm
Rodney Randall

John key gave a speech to the Contractors Federation in 2007. A small exert follows:
Home ownership

“We also want to ensure that every young New Zealander who works hard and is disciplined about saving can expect to own their own home and thereby have a real stake in the economic future of this country.

Today, I want to talk in some depth about the declining rates of home ownership in New Zealand.

It has relevance to you, not only as an industry that interacts closely with the building and construction sector more generally, and as the mums and dads of a generation coping with this issue, but also because you are key voices in the debate about resource management law and compliance costs in this country.

It’s those aspects of the home affordability crisis that I want to concentrate on today.
But first, let’s take a minute to look at the enormity of this problem.”

Has the National Government ‘concentrated’ enough to get over the line come election day?
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September 12, 2017 2:19pm
- Prince
  
  John’s words ring true today.
  ‘works hard and is disciplined about saving’.
  ie – works over Uni holidays, doesn’t take an OE extended holiday, cut lunches etc etc
  Oh, and accepts they may not live in their preferred suburb immediately, and have to do without luxuries to start.
  
  But all that is too hard for a few vocal Gen X’s.
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:24pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Has the National Government ‘concentrated’ enough to get over the line come election day?
  
  Yes, but the younger generation don’t want to work and save – they want it on a plate given to them
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:44pm
- JasonJohns
  
  Inspired contribution by RR. Thank you sir.
  
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  September 12, 2017 5:02pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    JJ – Thankyou Sir.
    
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    September 12, 2017 7:21pm
Manolo

What to do with an animal like this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4853748/Afghan-trial-rape-murder-German-teenager.html

An asylum seeker accused of raping and murdering an EU official’s daughter attacked her to satisfy his ‘sexual urges’ before leaving her unconscious in a river to drown, a court heard.

Hussein Khavari, 22, who claims to be from Afghanistan has been accused of ambushing Maria Ladenburger, 19, as she cycled home after a party, raping her and then drowning her in Freiburg, Germany last October.
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September 12, 2017 2:21pm
- Lance
  
  Simple.. the same punishment as he would have got in Ethiopia.
  It wouldn’t be pretty
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:36pm
- kowtow
  
  Who let him in?
  
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  September 12, 2017 2:44pm
  - Jack5
    
    Merkel the Mad invited him in.
    
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    September 12, 2017 3:07pm
- Gabby
  
  Surely the official will sign over his house and ask for forgivenes.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:59pm
Ross12

Good to see the UK is slowly making progress on Brexit.
This is a big step forward
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/11/government-vote-brexit-repeal-bill/

If this comes to pass it will also be very good ( the EU elite can take a running jump !!)

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/11/claim-liam-fox-prepares-walk-away-eu-no-deal/
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September 12, 2017 2:30pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, and I hope the UK tells them to go and sing for any money.
  They should just pay the bare minimum due.
  Nothing else, Nyet, Nada.
  
  Long live Hungary, Poland, Slovakia and Myanmar.
  
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  September 12, 2017 3:04pm
Swifty

To cmm and others regarding our yarn about firearms reporting the other day – here’s another pearler reported today:

“Fairmont Wiringi woke up to find his brother had taken his gang patch and told him to give it back, or he would shoot him. Wiringi loaded his shogun, held it in both hands, and fired one bullet into the carpet in front of his brother.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/96741404/prolific-offenders-appeal-dismissed-after-shooting-at-brother
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September 12, 2017 2:52pm
- mikenmild
  
  ‘Fairmont”. LOL.
  
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  September 12, 2017 3:20pm
  - kowtow
    
    and his brother Fairlane.
    
    FFS.
    
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    September 12, 2017 3:40pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And his other brother Falcon GT.
      And his sister Capri.
      And his mother Escort (oops).
      
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      September 12, 2017 3:44pm
RF

Where are all these Labour voters. Are they bats that come out only at night ?

I had to visit my GP who is a partner in a large medical practice this morning.

Whilst sitting in the crowded waiting room someone mentioned the election

It was a free discussion with most joining in. I was pleasently surprised to hear that there was no one there including the three receptionists who would vote for Labour or the Greens. Mainly because they were joined at the hip.

National & NZ First were popular followed by the cat person, TOP. Maori & ACT were not mentioned.

There was one theme and that was a not very complimentary one about Labours leader. No one likes her as she has too much to say about nothing.

How embarrising as a short distance down the road there is a large red sign with her face on it.
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September 12, 2017 2:56pm
- Digmen1
  
  I hope you are right!
  
  But many people “like her” and like the idea of paying more taxes so we can have bedda social services.
  
  And they must also like more bene’s and the criminals they will produce down the line.
  
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  September 12, 2017 3:00pm
  - rangitoto
    
    If they want to pay more taxes then I’m sure the IRD will accept donations.
    
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    September 12, 2017 3:19pm
- KevOB
  
  The ardent Aderns may find the lesser ardent silent unless being counted in a pre-determined poll.
  Red may turn to green to yellow to be wiped out by blue its absorber.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:06pm
- Gabby
  
  All you malingerers sitting around in the waiting room instead of doing something productive rf rf? Did you accidentally break your own fingers?
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:56pm
Digmen1

To quote a poster on Trade Me re tonight’s TV3 poll

“News Goblin Mr Gower is running a teaser…which says about tonight’s Newshub Reid Research Poll–“Dramatic and Devastating”…”
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September 12, 2017 2:58pm
- Brigitte
  
  I can think of three scenarios for his comment:
  
  – National further behind
  – the Greens under 5%
  – National way out in front which caused him to soil his pants.
  
  I suspect it won’t be the last possibility though.
  
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  September 12, 2017 3:17pm
  - KevOB
    
    Aussie media giving polls in NZ.
    Don’t expect truth till 11pm on the 23rd.
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:08pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Even then the result could be rigged, Kevvy. Get your militia organised, just in case.
      
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      September 12, 2017 4:11pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        We have a people’s militia, Mike. It’s called the NZDF.
        
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        September 12, 2017 5:03pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        Glad you are opening your mind to chance election will be rigged Mike. Looking at the Electoral Com Bd some people are coming to that conclusion.
        
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        September 12, 2017 5:04pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Devastating – 2 thoughts on this
  Greens don’t get 5% – not devastating for me
  National cannot rule even with its support partners including Winnie – devastating for the country.
  LOL Poster Boy for United Future delivers them a seat in parliament.
  
  Not sure I can see any other devastating thing – however wait and see.
  I only mix with National supporting people from all the spectrums that I mix with so that little red socialist is an elusive but determined thing, created and built upon by the Media.
  Such is life.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:01pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Completely off topic, But I wonder do Paddy Gower and Jacinda go to the same dentist, looking at photos.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:23pm
- Inandout
  
  So Jacinda is doing OK, other wise it would be ‘disappointing and unfair’.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:39pm
fylde

Dreading the Newshub / Tv3 poll this evening (12 Sept 2017). Taxinda supporter Patrick Gower will be foaming.
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September 12, 2017 3:22pm
- brett68
  
  Interesting comment on whale oil
  
  Well I wonder if that’s the one they rang my home about, and only wanted to speak to a women aged 35-54?
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/09/tonights-poll-dramatic-devastating-get-picks-now/#comment-3513231805
  
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  September 12, 2017 3:33pm
  - dime
    
    lol
    
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    September 12, 2017 3:38pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And the UMR pollster who rang me last week wasn’t interested in talking to anyone over 50.
    Looks like there’s an agenda here.
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:20pm
    - mikenmild
      
      probably standard practice. They will want a specific age distribution in their sample. By the time they had phoned you they must have already elicited opinions from a sufficient number of old coots.
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:03pm
JasonJohns

Definitely keeping an eye on mikemmild. He seems to be working an agenda here.
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September 12, 2017 3:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  Of course, Kea. My agenda is to have fun at the expense of the ignorant, foolish and malicious. Which one are you?
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:09pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    “My agenda is to have fun at the expense of the ignorant, foolish and malicious”
    
    You’re having fun at the expense of yourself? That must be confusing! 🙂
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:28pm
  - kowtow
    
    That should read :
    “My agenda is to have fun at the expense of taxpayers who are paying my salary while I troll kiwiblog all day long”
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:39pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Tell me more about my life – I find your imaginings fascinating.
      
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      September 12, 2017 4:47pm
      - kowtow
        
        Tell you ?
        
        You’re the all knowing one who told me I was a lonely pensioner missing my cat.
        
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        September 12, 2017 6:41pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Just a guess. Like yours about me.
        No harm done.
        
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        September 12, 2017 7:22pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Fun? There is lovely hand grenade in the toy box to play in the street with. Better still take to a group gripe. Lol
    
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    September 12, 2017 5:13pm
EAD_TWO

Gibsmedat!

Why am I not surpised to see low impulse control Blacks perpetuating “racist” stereotypes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4872376/Richard-Branson-s-son-warns-civil-unrest.html

“Anarchy In the Caribbean: Escaped prisoners and hundreds of looters armed with guns and knives terrorise hurricane-hit islands as police from Britain and France are flown in to restore order”

How dare these racist military personal go in and oppress the Blacks who are just taking back what is rightfully theirs because of “muh slavery” or something. These future rocket scientists and brain surgeons who may one day “enrich” the “stale, male, pale” West dindu nuffin.
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September 12, 2017 3:55pm
waikatogirl

A plucky election promise from NZ First Candidate, but not even Winnie would go there!

A New Zealand First candidate has announced a radical bid to scrap the Treaty of Waitangi from New Zealand law.
But the party’s leader Winston Peters has laughed off the comments and told media “that’s why she’s ranked 38 (on the list)”.
Kym Koloni announced her plan at a fiery ‘meet the candidates’ event for the Northcote electorate on Auckland’s North Shore on Monday night.
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September 12, 2017 4:06pm
Manolo

It is happening here too:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/the-great-cultural-swindle/

Forget about the ‘culture wars’. What Australia, and indeed the West, is now being subjected to, and in many ways torn asunder by, is The Great Cultural Swindle. This is a mammoth rort whereby normal, hard-working, decent, trusting people and their families are being conned by a group of cultural charlatans and frauds: best known as our progressive media, political, academic and business elites.
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September 12, 2017 4:17pm
- mikenmild
  
  Wail, wail. Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School have brought us political correctness, civil rights, feminism, gay marriage, open adoptions, no death penalty and multiculturalism.
  It’s the end of the world as we know it.
  
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  September 12, 2017 5:02pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Frankfurt School planned it all in 1926, that’s widely known at Kiwiblog.
    
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    September 12, 2017 5:05pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Here is the Wikipedia entry on The Frankfurt School:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
      
      Their founding scholars were all Jews (Max Horkheimer, Theodor W. Adorno, Herbert Marcuse, Friedrich Pollock, Erich Fromm, Otto Kirchheimer, Leo Löwenthal, Franz Leopold Neumann, Henryk Grossman) despite them being only about 2% of the German population.
      
      They were behind much of the degeneracy that was foisted upon the German nation in the era of Weimar after they used hard money (gold and silver) to hoover up Press outlets an”entertainment” industries.
      
      Funded by Bankers in America, The Frankfurt School fled Germany and moved to America in 1935 where they took up residence at Columbia University
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:59pm
  - Shawn Herles
    
    And I have no doubt mikey that if one or more of those things were rolled back you would be in full “wail, wail, it’s the end of the world as we know it!” mode.
    
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    September 12, 2017 5:13pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Not particularly. Easy to say, I know, as none of that is going to happen. I just don’t really buy into the ‘culture wars’ and associated conspiracy theories.
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:16pm
BananaLlama

Why does Mikey think everyone is a Nazi or Kea? did he get smacked in the head with a bike lock by his professor?
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September 12, 2017 4:23pm
- mikenmild
  
  The only Nazi here is EAdolf, a self-professed ‘modern’ national socialist. There are a few other ‘racial realists’ hanging about.
  I believe Kea is still with us, operating a small stable of sock puppets. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:32pm
- BananaLlama
  
  EAD Are you a National Socialist? You don’t strike me as a born again Strasserite, Thulean or a NatBol.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:49pm
  - mikenmild
    
    He’s a ‘modern’ national socialist, so doesn’t like being compared to the ‘cartoonish’ old-time Nazis. He’s been remarkably shy about how his Fourth Reich would come about, and how he plans to solve the Jewish problem.
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:53pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      He can speak for himself.
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:09pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Yes, he does. I’m just summarising his view, and wondering whether his ideology stretches beyond overt racism to advocating action on racialist principles like his heroes.
        
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        September 12, 2017 5:14pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    @ BananaLama,
    
    I think Mikenmild goes to bed having nightmares of Keas and literal Nazis. It keeps him up and night and when he gets on Kiwiblog, all he can see is Keas and Nazis everywhere.
    
    Somebody saying something amusing and insightful = oh my god, it’s a Kea, its a Kea. its a Kea!
    
    Suggest that European countries are more stable and prosperous when they are mono-cultural like the rest of worlds nation = oh my god, you’re a Nazi, you’re a Nazi, you’re a Nazi – I’ve find the 4th Reich here on Kiwiblog General Debate!
    
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    September 12, 2017 6:08pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      I should add – if Milkmaid saw an actual Nazi rather than the ones inside his head, I’d have no doubt he would poo his pants
      
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      September 12, 2017 6:27pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Have you changed your mind about being a national socialist, EAdolf?
        
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        September 12, 2017 7:26pm
Hugh Pavletich

Auckland real estate agent slashes commissions amid frozen market – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/auckland-real-estate-agent-slashes-commissions-amid-frozen-market/

By Leith van Onselen

The most recent REINZ housing statistics revealed a sharp decline in Auckland transaction volumes, which were down circa 30% in the year to July: … read more via hyperlink above …
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NZ PM spins housing failure. Promises first home buyer bribe – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/09/nz-pm-spins-housing-failure-promises-first-home-buyer-bribe/

… concluding …

… New Zealand needs genuine action on both the demand and supply-sides. And only Labour seems to have comprehensive policies (see here and here).
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September 12, 2017 4:27pm
- Happychappy
  
  Why don’t you crawl back under the the rock you come from you vidictive senile old prick.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:34pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Is “vidictive” a new STD that only infects green voters?
    
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    September 12, 2017 4:57pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I don’t know, D4J, do you? You would be knowledgeable about STDs, wouldn’t you?
      
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      September 12, 2017 4:59pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Another big day milky talking shit and trolling. No doubt your strain of mm syphilis is taking its toll.
        
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        September 12, 2017 5:02pm
    - Happychappy
      
      No it is because I am dumb, you happy now d4j.
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:00pm
      - dad4justice
        
        You’re not dumb happychappy, however National are history come election day. Sad stuff Aunty Helen is back in charge behind the scenes.
        
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        September 12, 2017 5:04pm
      - mikenmild
        
        He doesn’t sound happy, chappy.
        
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        September 12, 2017 5:06pm
      - stigie
        
        Bill has got up again Dad. The stardust has settled ole chap !~
        
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        September 12, 2017 6:35pm
fluffykiwi

I win the prize I have thought up a tax for Jacinda, TAX those naughty Lotto winnings, tax those naughty gamblers who bet on the horses.
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September 12, 2017 4:29pm
Happychappy

Blubber Oil is promoting a Paddy Gower message saying poll tonight has devastating results, so obviously it might be all over for National because his vindictive nature against Bill English would be a reason he has posted Gowers message.
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September 12, 2017 4:30pm
- Inandout
  
  Soper thinks Labour has taken a hit, or in his words ‘not as good for Labour’.
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:48pm
  - Happychappy
    
    I hope so but the way she has become the rock star instead of our economy worries me that people want a change.
    
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    September 12, 2017 5:05pm
- Brigitte
  
  The (((blogger))) is going to be spitting tacks methinks. He might even be blubbering!
  
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  September 12, 2017 8:35pm
Tauhei Notts

I have observed the Labour Party programme to get people to vote early.
I wonder if they think their princess might turn into a frog by 23rd September.
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September 12, 2017 4:56pm
- mikenmild
  
  You haven’t voted yet? Are you still making up your mind?
  
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  September 12, 2017 4:58pm
  - Prince
    
    I haven’t voted yet. I’m not a student so electoral office hasn’t visited my workplace begging me to vote. Live in a blue suburb so I have to travel outside it to vote early. I’ll go the pale stale male way of taking a walk on the 23rd.
    
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    September 12, 2017 5:04pm
Manolo

Regardless of the result, S. Joyce’s image has taken a big hit. His “campaign management” skills are non existent.
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September 12, 2017 4:57pm
- dime
  
  joyce is at best a punchline and at worst a case study in shitty political science classes.
  thats bleak!
  
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  September 12, 2017 5:10pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Agreed. After the Northland by-election fiasco he should have been replaced in this role by J. Collins.
  
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  September 12, 2017 5:20pm
  - Manolo
    
    Unfortunately, Mr English does not appear capable of sacking/demoting anyone. Just remember Nick Smith.
    
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    September 12, 2017 5:32pm
    - dad4justice
      
      And you lot want me to vote for a weakling?
      
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      September 12, 2017 5:35pm
      - Manolo
        
        Did I say that?
        
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        September 12, 2017 5:37pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Jacinda? Certainly not!!!
        
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        September 12, 2017 6:22pm
      - Happychappy
        
        d4j : Winston needs your vote, didn’t you say he was honest and not scared to hold people to account. by the way did you hear if he disciplined his candidate for saying they were going to get rid of the Treaty of Waitangi.
        
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        September 12, 2017 6:37pm
BananaLlama

Labour to expand Auckland city boundaries for affordable housing

“Labour would establish an Affordable Housing Authority to work with Auckland Council and its development arm, Panuku Development Auckland, to undertake a dozen large-scale housing developments like Hobsonville Point”

“Labour did not specify sites for large-scale housing development, but mentioned the north-west and south where work has started on about 25,000 new houses in Kumeu-Huapai-Riverhead and more than 20,000 homes between Drury and Pukekohe in the south.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11921544

Huge if you brought land North West of Aucks past Riverhead.
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September 12, 2017 5:23pm
Pongo

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/96759056/farmers-to-protest-in-jacinda-arderns-hometown-of-morrinsville
About time fed farmers, fonterra , Zespri and all the other myriad of rural groups got their message out. Spending a bit of money in the media would probably help get their side of the story out and given how much Jacinda is going to cost them it might be good use of money.
Make up for joyces terrible campaign.
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September 12, 2017 5:26pm
Ross12

I heard Soper talking to Chris Lynch on ZB. He wasn’t exactly over enthused about several Labour issues.
1. To enact their promise to stop foreigners buying homes in NZ they would have to renegotiate several FTAs.( Charles Finny later confirmed Soper’s view on this)

2. There seems to be some issues around the tertiary education promises.

3. He also mentioned a quite big meeting down south that Bill English had and tax was the big issue among the crowd. Soper almost joked about how taxes were being “taken off the table” and wondered what the tax working group would do.

So it suggests making up policy as they go and /or a serious lack of experience and understanding in making these decisions.
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September 12, 2017 5:34pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Hipkins was left without answers on the “free” tertiary policy – admitting that they would be relying on “officials” to implement the policy.
  Once again, policy on the hoof and not thought out.
  I am surprised he didn’t say they would use a working group to come up with the ins/outs of their bribe.
  
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  September 12, 2017 6:14pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Old golfers know a thing or two or two about handicaps. Labour’s handicap is that collectively or individually nobody seems to know any detail. Even their token native chosen deputy leader has had to be slapped down at least twice.
    
    IMO the hardest selling point was getting voters to accept that some “panel of experts” would be making decisions for things any government needs a mandate to pass into law. It seems the majority have not swallowed it simply they cannot see Taxinda’s “vision”.
    
    The next debate will be mandatory viewing but let us hope there are no more dumb questions. That could bring us the anticipated meltdown because there will be no details and all the big Labour bribes.
    Even early voting students are likely pissed off since they have already got well into their interest free loans. It is even less likely that a freezing workers children know what Uni is but only as unisex from underwear. Stick to ‘em tick Two 4 Blue and show your love for New Zealand in the nicest possible way.
    
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    September 12, 2017 7:40pm
Manolo

When senility strikes:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/whats-wrong-nancy-orders-lgbt-group-clap-obama-laments-bulleting-youth/

That question is coming up again as the House Minority Leader was seen on Saturday repeatedly telling the GLAAD audience to clap and botching simple words.
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September 12, 2017 5:36pm
Ross12

Oh dear, maybe now Hillary Clinton will get the message
“Amazon and Walmart both cut the price of 2016 failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s memoir ‘What Happened‘ by 40% just a day before its release – SAD! “
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September 12, 2017 5:46pm
tom hunter

Newshub:
National: 47.3%? up a bit
Labour 37% down a bit
Greens 4.9%
Winston First 6.0

Still anybody to win!
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September 12, 2017 6:05pm
- mandk
  
  Perhaps people are beginning to realise that you can’t run a government on fairy dust.
  
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  September 12, 2017 6:09pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Fantastic poll. I’m going to have dinner (including a couple of wines), then come back very excited.
    Take cover, you leftie trolls.
    
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    September 12, 2017 6:12pm
    - Happychappy
      
      It s to early to crow but it is a start in the right direction, lets hope Bill can now get us really rolling.
      Two ticks Blue
      
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      September 12, 2017 6:46pm
      - Gabby
        
        Tulixpu
        
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        September 12, 2017 7:30pm
  - kowtow
    
    TV3 showed her well out of her depth on the farm tax with Garner.
    
    They could have also run the footage of her on Day 1 unaware of the reserve bank interest rate news or the Nork missile test.
    
    She is way out of her depth on her own.
    Unfit to lead and unable to master the detail.
    
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    September 12, 2017 6:45pm
- nasska
  
  ….”Greens 4.9%”….
  
  Oh dear. That’s bad. How sad.// 🙂
  
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  September 12, 2017 6:12pm
- ex-golfer
  
  No wonder The Peoples Princess is encouraging early voting. I think she realises that NZ is running out of patience with her lack of detail on anything they announce.
  
  Getting tested/owned by a snowflake left-wing presenter on TV1 this morning must have given her quite a shock!
  
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  September 12, 2017 6:17pm
- Digmen1
  
  Why anybody to win.
  On those figures National will govern on their own.
  
  We have had 3 weeks of Jacindadust and now its settled and people can see what she and Labour are.
  All fluff and no substance
  And anti our main exporters!
  
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  September 12, 2017 6:34pm
Piniwi

Thanks Tom. Now we have an election on our hands. The dead cat has bounced and has yet to reach the ground. It is even very likely that it will bottom at 32% reversing the 23% where Taxinda took over. The kingmaker is looking more like a court Jester and has room to sink some more but the best is the Greens on 4.9%. No time to take the pressure off their throat or avoid ones’ democratic responsibility. Vote early, vote often or leave it to the last minute but just make sure you DO vote. Naturally tick TWO 4 BLUE all you beautiful people to go with the flow.
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September 12, 2017 6:18pm
fluffykiwi

Steven Joyce pointed out that the Tax cut National put through is in law, Labour can’t just cancel it they would have to legislate to remove the Tax cut. Just a little slip up how many more.
When I look at all labour’s promises there is a big hole if they wish to keep up with all that is going on. Only way they could keep up is a hell of a lot more tax from someone or something, or ALL of us which is the most likely.
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September 12, 2017 6:22pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Quick, where are all of the ‘economists’ to disagree?
  
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  September 12, 2017 6:48pm
- Piniwi
  
  The $11.7 billion gap in Labour’s figures is real understanding was based on figures by Robbo. This was also substantiated by BERL who stated they checked the details as provided. It quite clear in their little Red book that they intend to borrow over $7 billion to fund their promises. Then when confronted Taxinda said the new taxes would fund the rest.
  Then to cap it off they list the target for the first 100 days and near the top f the list is the pledge to restart contributions to the Cullen fund. No indication of how much but it will borrowed so suspect is of no consequence to Taxinda. Poor little darling is getting it all fed to her by Cullen/Clark/Robbo/Parker which has been too much for serious minded voters.
  Then bless his little cotton socks Winston First said what most have been screaming for. If they know what will be excluded then what will be included and taxed. Mature voters would unlikely vote for him but would never turn their back on him in their presence. At 6% he is almost at his eventual election level as the fear still remains he would be on the early call list for Labour.
  No time to sit back yet as the threat level has been eased only slightly. The most valuable protest vote is to tick Two 4 Blue to bring home a stand alone National Government and let them all sit on the opposition benches.
  
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  September 12, 2017 7:18pm
dime

So on the latest poll, the green vote shat itself and they all went to Labour.

That’s it.

Hope it gets worse for the left

Scum that they are
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September 12, 2017 6:33pm
Prince

Weird tho it sounds, has Labour jumped 3 weeks early ?
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September 12, 2017 6:36pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Not with the early voting perhaps.
  
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  September 12, 2017 7:29pm
Digmen1

TV3 just said
A ten point lead for National and could govern alone!
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September 12, 2017 6:37pm
AgentBallSack

Be interesting trying to see Labour cobbling together a party with Kiwi not Iwi Winnie and the Maori Party now.
Please God if you exist wipe out another 1% support from the Greens too
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September 12, 2017 6:45pm
Rachael Membery

I don’t understand the early voting need, either it is the 23rd September or not. Or do a special.
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September 12, 2017 6:47pm
fluffykiwi

I would love labour to get a “thrashing” in this election because it is basically a single issue matter now TAX.
NZer’s do not want a CGT.
NZer’s were always a “do it yourself” type of person. get on with life ourselves and any free time give to the community and help those who needed help.
We did not expect to hand over our hard earned money willy nilly. We felt we had the right to make donations to those charities we believed in.
It appears that now things have changed, others will make those decisions for us. The charities we believed in are now political. I no longer give to those charities the ones that would pick someone up out of the gutter no questions asked. They have become political animals, not their role.
So unfortunately our society has changed into a place where put your hand out and it will be filled, screech the loudest about how unfair life is and you will be given. expect others to do for you, do nothing yourself and life will be fine.
No work after school to save for anything. Smart phones to “keep kids safe” only to have everyone worry about online and text bullying.
I hope that a thrashing of labour might bring everyone to their senses and realise that basically NZ is an okay place for the hardworking person. You will be rewarded and there will be enough left over to help those real unfortunates, the ones who just simply cannot help themselves.
Reward those who contribute to society and society improves. Punish those who contribute and they become very reluctant to assist anywhere. The school sports team, the plunket, the street collections. the Lions and Rotary fundraisers to name a few.
Let us please go back to how we were, that is the NZ that everyone loves.
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September 12, 2017 6:51pm
- nasska
  
  …..” go back to how we were, that is the NZ that everyone loves”…..
  
  It’s too late to go back. We’ve accepted too many immigrants who want to live in Little Mogadishu or Karachi South for NZ to ever be one people. Then there’s the gimme class & the super rich who live in their own little worlds.
  
  It’s what the social engineers prescribed but the laid back egalitarian mateship that typified Kiwis has gone forever.
  
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  September 12, 2017 7:03pm
  - fluffykiwi
    
    The immigrants whom I know are pretty good people. They wish to be NZers. The people who have settled in NZ post 1900, the Dalmations, the Chinese, the Italians, to name some seem to fit in very well and contribute to our way of life. They join in the sports, and other things.
    It is some of those taken under the refugee issue that take a much longer time to involve themselves and often are hand picked by the UN from a certain echelon of society who do not wish to join with us.
    These are the ones who we do not need. They wish to change us.
    
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    September 12, 2017 7:06pm
  - Digmen1
    
    One of the reasons that your laid back egalitarian mateship has gone is that they say 600,000 kiwis deserted NZ to go and live in Australia.
    
    I would guess that it would be much more than that say 1 million.
    
    Think about that – one quarter of us have left.
    Imagine the empty houses and shops and lack of jobs and opportunity and vitality, and the lack of tax etc etc.
    
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    September 13, 2017 7:02am
Interested

fluffykiwi your comment should be posted all over the net, it makes so much sense.
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September 12, 2017 7:11pm
- stigie
  
  They have been cheering loudly at the Stranded over the last 3 weeks or so, and tonight the poor snowflakes are crying into their cornflakes !~
  Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
  
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  September 12, 2017 7:25pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And there we have Jacinda co hosting the Project, I expect Bill to have his turn……whenever. (sarc)
    
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    September 12, 2017 7:36pm
    - RF
      
      The Project is a dumping ground for rejects….
      
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      September 12, 2017 8:48pm
    - PhilP
      
      He’s been on already.
      
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      September 12, 2017 11:10pm
    - Digmen1
      
      Media bias is everywhere.
      Stuff ran an online article on the poll last night.
      Jacinda had two photos
      Bill had 1
      
      If anything it should have been the other way round! as Bill was winning.
      
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      September 13, 2017 7:04am
  - Happychappy
    
    stigie : mickey mouse was full of life earlier talking about all the seats National could lose and then they got the poll result and he was gone and the cot cases were left to fight amongs’t themselves.
    
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    September 12, 2017 7:40pm
rangitoto

Hopefully Taxinda Taxardern has flown too close to the Sun.
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September 12, 2017 8:02pm
Rachael Membery

So who here thinks that the Mongrel Mob etc are going to vote for a party that has strong law and order policies?
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September 12, 2017 8:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who released Winnie’s Super info?
http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=102867

I’ve watched 15 mins of “Who owns NZ now?”
It’s BORING.
I’m going to bed.
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September 12, 2017 9:10pm
nasska

The Muslim couple next door were arguing in the garden today but when Abdul’s wife got hysterical I decided to mediate.

I said, “for fucks sake mate……just let her play with her dolls. “
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