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No WoO today either?
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November 30, 2017 8:02am
- JasonJohns
  
  trump has embraced jayda fransen of britain first on twitter. huge step fwd for white nationalism and the purification agenda
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:32am
  - JasonJohns
    
    britain first: whites only, policy of deporting all muslims, own their own tank. way to go trumpy!
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:42am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      @ Jason Johns
      
      Not sure if you’re a piss take or not but thanks for drawing this incident to my attention.
      
      The MSM has been whipped into a furore over this. Their response has been Britain First don’t embrace “British Values” so they are not truly British.
      
      See what they’re doing here – reducing all White Countries to nothing but geographical locations for “muh values”
      
      When the counter-revolution wins, the first thing we’re going to do is ban words like “values”,not to mention, “culture”, “progressive”, “community” & “equality”
      
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      November 30, 2017 10:41am
  - Scott
    
    Jayda Fransen seems to be going the same way as Tommy Robinson. The establishment and the media brand them as far right extremists and the authorities hound them to the ends of the earth. But actually what Ms Fransen is doing is defending British values and the British people against what is manifestly a Muslim invasion. She is being charged for what she said about Muslims in a recent speech. Meanwhile Muslims can march with placards inciting violence and murder and nothing happens to them.
    
    Britain must defend itself or else it will be taken over by Islam. Unfortunately the leaders of Britain, including Theresa May, are hellbent on surrendering to Islam. Ms Fransen rather than being a far right extremist should more accurately be described as a patriot.
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:46am
    - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
      
      I’ve posted this before, but the changing birth and fertility rates have destined most of Europe to becoming Islamic dominated countries in the next 15-20 years.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a60A3mw2XgQ
      
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      November 30, 2017 8:54am
      - Jack5
        
        Big breeders always dominant, Mickey? Nah.
        
        Little, sparsely Mongolia conquering a vast area. Their cousins, the relatively few Manchu, ruling the teeming millions of China.
        
        Rome spreading through Western Europe, North Africa and the Middle East.
        
        Little England building a huge sea empire running populous India and founding what was to become the USA and Australia (and us). Portugal creating Brazil, much bigger and more heavily populated than itself.
        
        Then, of course, there is the new “equaliser”, the much mightier and international equivalent of Colt’s single action Army revolver. Nuclear weapons, missile delivered, which have small North Korea boxing up the mighty United States.
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:27am
    - JasonJohns
      
      no blacks allowed in britain first!
      
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      November 30, 2017 9:32am
      - Jack5
        
        Morning ~~Kea~~ JasonJohns.
        
        You’re trolling early today. Rubbish trucks wake you early this morning?
        
        The early bird is the worm!
        
        You’ve got an uptick! EAD’s little squad out of bed in the morning, too. TeamKea, fall in!
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:35am
      - Jack5
        
        Between Leftist trolls like Muttonbird, and TeamKea, the General Debate thread, which could have had an interesting day dissecting the Melon Greens, instead looks rooted.
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:46am
      - JasonJohns
        
        britain first has a humane solution to race mixing. it favours paying non-whites to leave the uk.
        
        of course pro-miscegenation communists like theresa may are getting hysterical about trump putting his weight behind britain first.
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:52am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        britain first has a humane solution to race mixing. it favours paying non-whites to leave the uk.
        
        That’s the Israel solution as they pay Rwanda $5,000 a head to get rid of Africans from their country
        
        https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/israel-offers-rwanda-5-000-a-head-to-take-in-failed-refugees-n0ggxnhf7
        
        They also protect their blood purity by making it illegal for Jews to marry outside of the tribe in Israel.
        
        https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/shavuot/.premium-1.596576
        
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        November 30, 2017 10:49am
      - realityczech
        
        Jacksie you on the afternoon shift today, or you doing overtime ?
        
        Anyway, do you agree with testing people to identify if they are Jews as ~~Nazi Germany~~ Israel does ?
        
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        November 30, 2017 12:41pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re EAD’s, 10.49 post:
        
        Guten Tag, Herr EAD:
        
        I think your link led to a pay wall. The one at the foot of this post might be better.
        
        http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Hundreds-of-thousands-cant-marry-in-Israel-441173
        
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        November 30, 2017 1:34pm
    - MickMac
      
      Germany is down in the dumps.
      https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11459/germany-migrants-attack-police
      
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      November 30, 2017 5:05pm
  - realityczech
    
    “the purification agenda”
    
    They have been doing it in the rouge nuclear armed state of Israel for years. They are committed to keeping the filthy goyim mud races out. They reckon even God is on their side. Just as Hitler did with his far more modest attempts at race purity.
    
    ‘WHO IS A JEW?’ CAN NOW BE ANSWERED BY GENETIC TESTING
    
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/New-law-says-genetic-test-valid-for-determining-Jewish-status-in-some-cases-506584
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:31pm
    - Jack5
      
      Und Guten Tag, Herr ☪Kearealityiczech:☪
      
      As usual you are bullshitting that genetic testing establishes who is a Jew. The answer is that it can but only in some cases.
      
      I concede it’s true that, with DNA testing, your hero, Adolph Hitler, as a part-Jew, might have been eligible for resettlement in Israel if he hadn’t topped himself first.
      
      The facts include:
      
      … the genetic test cannot be used to revoke someone’s Jewish status – even if they were found not to have the relevant genetic markers – since only 40% of Ashkenazi Jews have them, and someone without them likely comes from the other 60% of the extended Ashkenazi Jewish family.
      
      AND
      
      … there is “no such thing as a Jewish gene … the mitochondrial genetic test simply determines ancestry, not Jewishness.
      
      I hope this doesn’t mean that TeamKea hasn’t undergone mass circumcision in vain.
      
      The facts (and note the “in some cases” in the headline):
      
      http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/New-law-says-genetic-test-valid-for-determining-Jewish-status-in-some-cases-506584
      
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      November 30, 2017 1:49pm
      - realityczech
        
        “As usual you are bullshitting that genetic testing establishes who is a Jew. The answer is that it can but only in some cases.”
        
        Jacksie I made no such claim. That was an article from the Jerusalem Post. You will find many more confirming Israel’s desire to identify racially pure Jews through DNA testing.
        
        So run along and call them nazis.
        
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        November 30, 2017 5:26pm
      - realityczech
        
        ““no such thing as a Jewish gene ”
        
        Jacksie we agree 100%. It is simply a religion or a cultural group. So there goes any argument for the establishment of a “homeland” and the whole zionist agenda.
        
        You will squirm like a salted slug over this of course. You people always respond with lies and dirty manipulations. It is why people dislike you.
        
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        November 30, 2017 6:03pm
    - Brito
      
      I think rc you’ll find that Israel is not a rouge nuclear state. When I lived there I never saw anybody other than the rag heads walking around with red rouge makeup on their face.
      
      However if you mean they are a rogue nuclear state then your sentence is a little clearer. Factually it’s shit but your intent is clearer.
      
      Is that what you meant dear?
      
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      November 30, 2017 4:48pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle and nor is NK by that measure.
        
        Israel is in breach of international law, illegally occupying land and is nuclear armed.
        
        Thanks for the word games though. Dickhead.
        
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        November 30, 2017 5:28pm
      - Brito
        
        Here to help the uneducated and frustrated. Did didums get a wee bit upset?
        
        I suggest you and your two mates go and take the nukes off the Israelis. You’ll do well dearie.
        
        And if you need help with the big words just ask your mum. She helps me out, but that’s an adult story, not suitable for kiddies.
        
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        November 30, 2017 6:01pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, the Israelis are nothing if not dirty gutless cowards. The only reason they have not received what they so desperately deserve is because of the hated goy backing them up.
        
        The war on terror is simply a global genocide against people hated by Jews. They are too gutless and repugnant to fight themselves.
        
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        November 30, 2017 6:06pm
      - Brito
        
        Didums is getting angry. Calm down me old Mountain Parrot.
        
        The only people dirty and gutless in the ME hump camels and bother goats.
        
        Don’t worry laddie the Israelis will ease their suffering and give them all a lovely send off.
        
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        November 30, 2017 6:21pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle you poor demented Yid, I am no fan of your fellow desert dwelling primitives.
        
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        November 30, 2017 6:31pm
      - Brito
        
        Yeowie!!! The Yid jokes already.
        
        Easy Rag Head lover. The war on terror has been initiated because…your Rag Head friends are killing us.
        
        We’ll win and take them out, each and every one of them. I think we’ll sterilise the women and keep them for slaves for at least a generation.
        
        Take your pills and have a wee lie down before supper.
        
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        November 30, 2017 6:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, those ragheads based their religion on the tribal cult of the Jews. They are your buddies.
        
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        November 30, 2017 6:43pm
      - realityczech
        
        “I think we’ll sterilise the women and keep them for slaves ”
        
        Brittle, lusting after some Arab pussy. At least he has mellowed from gassing them and mowing them down with his Uzi. Love blooms in the desert 🙂
        
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        November 30, 2017 6:51pm
      - Brito
        
        No, no dear child. The ones that talk back still get the Uzi treatment.
        
        Actually I forget you are a Roman Catholic aren’t you? The original Christ killers.
        
        Naughty, naughty. Nobody likes a messiah-cides.
        
        And we don’t fornicate with the Rag Heads. They serve us, not serviced by us.
        
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        November 30, 2017 7:00pm
Muttonbird

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I think a lot more work needs to be done investigating Phil Quin’s advocacy and consultancy for the anti-democratic Kagame government of Rwanda.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/05/paul-kagame-secures-third-term-in-rwanda-presidential-election

For instance, Paul Kagame won this year’s election with 99% of the vote, and by 98% of the vote a constitutional amendment to remove a two term limit allowing him to continue to 2034.

This is Robert Mugabe territory.

He did this while having the election commission strike off any challenger but one and then arresting and charging another challenger in September. Even to Phil Quin these numbers and actions must ring alarm bells as they seem to be the result of anti-democratic conditions on the ground in Rwanda. The strong-arming of opponents must be disturbing to Phil.

Phil Quin did consult for this one party state government and one wonders whether he wants the same sort of arrangement here in New Zealand, the National Party being in charge forever.

The media hasn’t really touched on Phil Quin’s work for the Kagame government so far. I’d like to know more.
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November 30, 2017 8:04am
- holysheet
  
  Here we go, Muttonbird is shooting the messenger and ignoring the message. Squirrel anyone?
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:09am
  - Muttonbird
    
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    It’s important to know what people’s motivations are and take that into account when listening to their ‘message’.
    
    In Phil Quin’s case he has acted directly (and probably still does indirectly) in PR consultancy for the Paul Kagame government and at one point specifically for Rwanda Police.
    
    It’s worth noting the Kagame regime and its police and military are heavily criticised for human rights abuses including the use of torture.
    
    http://digitaldjeli.com/2012/amnesty-international-denounces-use-of-torture-in-rwandan-military-detention-rwandan-pr-reacts/
    
    In reality Phil’s work in Rwanda involves actively and in current time defending the regime for contemporary abuses and advising them on how to paint any opposition as ‘genocide deniers’. This what he did to Ghahraman.
    
    Interestingly while his website does say he did consultancy work in Rwanda, it doesn’t say it was for the Rwanda police who seem to be indulging in torture. Absolute clarity of course is something he and you demand of Ghahraman.
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:35am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Genocide Denier? Not so sure it’s that black and white but she volunteered to work for a defence team whose strategy was to cast doubt on the truth of the historical record, which is revisionism and that’s part and parcel of denial. If she now rejects that theory, she could say so.
      Also I can understand a defence lawyer going to work for criminals, as that’s the job they get paid for.
      But she volunteered. As an intern.
      Why would you volunteer to help defend someone accused of genocide?
      The optics are so bad.
      
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      November 30, 2017 8:51am
      - fernglas
        
        She was a defence lawyer, and nothing but a defence lawyer, until she went to the Cambodian tribunal. Get it straight. Called to the bar in 2005. Four years of defence work in Auckland. On the defence team for two cases in the Rwanda tribunal and one at the ICTY. Changed sides in March 2011 to be an assistant co-counsel in Cambodia, and then back to this country where she has again worked as a defence counsel. So being on a defence team is perfectly understandable. Nor is it anything to be ashamed of. Indeed, it is something to be proud of. What is wrong is covering over that history, and what that says about how she and the Green Party perceive her work. It’s an insult to her profession and a terrible indictment on how the Greens see the criminal justice system.
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:16am
      - All_on_Red
        
        https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/11/soper-genocide-golly/
        
        https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/11/day-election-parliament-golriz-lied-country/
        
        I’m not so sure she should be proud of working with a defence team whose defence strategy was to revise history.
        Was she actually paid?
        She’s certainly mislead everyone about her background. Deceit by omission.
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:22am
    - kowtow
      
      It’s important to know what people’s motivations are and take that into account when listening to their ‘message’.
      
      Couldn’t agree more.
      
      Daily attacks on Trump.
      Mass Muslim Migration advocacy.
      References to global warming for every weather event.
      Increase in gummint control of all aspects of our lives.
      Equality.
      Poverty.
      Housing.
      ‘Progressive’ taxation.
      Etc etc.
      
      All themes that are in our media constantly.
      
      “It’s important to know what people’s motivations are and take that into account when listening to their ‘message’.”
      
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      November 30, 2017 9:08am
- tom hunter
  
  This is Robert Mugabe territory.
  
  And Hugo Chavez territory as well. Bet Muttonhead kept quiet on the latter.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:15am
- JasonJohns
  
  quin is a white hero
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:28am
  - softail 1450
    
    JJ ,and jason John is a badly polished turd.
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:37am
    - Jack5
      
      A badly polished turd? Almost (or as well). It’s a badly polished (mountain parrot) bird. A flying troll.
      
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      November 30, 2017 9:41am
  - Muttonbird
    
    The NZ National Front agrees:
    
    http://www.nationalfront.org.nz/?tag=phil-quin
    
    Not the kind of endorsement I’d be happy with.
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:45am
    - Brito
      
      They’re just stating a fact.
      
      Looks like a fine magazine with lovely photos of Christchurch people walking around their fair city and a wee day visit to Wellington.
      
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      November 30, 2017 9:02am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Yeah, Christchurch. That figures.
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:14am
      - Jack5
        
        Christchurch? Labour mayor. Labour electorates (except for Ilam).
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:43am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Full of racists.
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:58am
      - Jack5
        
        Ngai Tahu capital.
        
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        November 30, 2017 10:07am
      - Brito
        
        They are entitled to their opinion muttonhead as much as you are. Whether you agree with it or not, to them, is irrelevant. They are having a lovely day out in the sun with their kids.
        
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        November 30, 2017 10:20am
      - Muttonbird
        
        They are having a lovely day out in the sun with their racist kids.
        
        Fify.
        
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        November 30, 2017 11:49am
      - treadingthemill
        
        I grew up in Christchurch, lived there most of my life, and still live a little ways outside the city, and I can confirm that Muttonbird is talking crap about it being full of racists. Bigoted, uninformed crap.
        
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        November 30, 2017 11:57am
      - realityczech
        
        “Looks like a fine magazine with lovely photos of Christchurch people walking around their fair city ”
        
        Brittle JK was raised there during his formative years and embodies its conservative and elitist views to his core.
        
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-zealand-jewish-pm-wins-third-term/
        
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        November 30, 2017 5:51pm
      - realityczech
        
        “I grew up in Christchurch, lived there most of my life”
        
        Trodden, believe me it shows.
        
        Oi Oi ❗
        
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        November 30, 2017 5:53pm
    - realityczech
      
      wetherchops, you realise the link was about the national front speaking out against genocide and violence ?
      
      Do you oppose speaking out against genocide and violence ?
      
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      November 30, 2017 5:56pm
- starboard
  
  Hey buttonhead…take a looksy…>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>???. Ya dropped somethin.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:30am
- Prince
  
  Wow. No fury like the left turning on one of its own.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:34am
- softail 1450
  
  oh god who do I apoligse to ? I just accidentally upticked the rabid mutteringbird…
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:36am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Give urself an uppercut ,LoL
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:45am
  - treadingthemill
    
    oh god who do I apoligse to ? I just accidentally upticked the rabid mutteringbird…
    
    Then you’re screwed. No god will forgive you for that.
    
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    November 30, 2017 10:54am
- niggly
  
  So Muttonbird/Leftie research units have no proof of anything that Phil Quin did (unlike the Golriz Ghahraman situation), instead more innuendo and smears and a lmfao claim that Phil Quin wants National (a party that Quin doesn’t support) to become a one party dictatorship forever!
  
  Okaaaayyyyyy … that’s pretty out there (but some mugs will believe it)!
  
  So what’s next? Will tomorrow see the angry-left hold a public rally and burn an effigy of Phil Quin? Deep down inside I’m sure there’s many that would like to (if not something worse). It’s so sad the lives that “angry-lefties” lead!
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:59am
  - rangitoto
    
    Has he accused Quin of being a capitalist roader yet?
    
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    November 30, 2017 4:28pm
Inandout

Tip of the iceberg in women’s ‘exposes’ of rich and famous. How many NZ TV stars are squirming, after all it takes just one accusation (false or true) to knock them off their perches? Not fair I know, but that’s show business.
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November 30, 2017 8:07am
- waikatogirl
  
  Matt Lauer, The USA breakfast Today Show news anchor. Fired Tuesday night for inapproriate sexual behaviour. The high profile 20 year host out.
  As an aside, Lauer owns a Station in Wanaka.
  
  Jeffery Rush, Oscar winning Australian actor been accused of inappropriate behaviour during King Lear.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:10am
  - Inandout
    
    ‘King Lear’, how appropriate. There must also be some female offenders, surely?
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:13am
    - Brito
      
      Cindy offends me…does that count?
      
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      November 30, 2017 8:39am
      - starboard
        
        Liz marvelly will be first off the blocks in Nil Ziland..” someone touched me in a lift 10 years ago…problem is..I enjoyed it”
        
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        November 30, 2017 8:44am
      - Brito
        
        I met her once. She is also orally inflicted like Cindy. Sensing a theme here!
        
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        November 30, 2017 8:59am
      - Jack5
        
        Is Marvellous Lizzy tone deaf?
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:57am
  - flipper
    
    The allegations have been made, truth or falsity not established, but the MSM goes banana trees over then and then claims that the US has the best legal system in the world…..
    This sort of inappropriate sexual behaviour crap has been around since the year dot. That does not justify it.
    But more important than NK ?????
    Or the lies of the Peters/Ardern Regime ?
    NO !!!!!
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:09am
    - holysheet
      
      Cannot wait for goldriz to offer to go on the defence teams of all these famous people. Imagine all the selfie oppotunities she is missing out on.
      
      They would make her a legend in her own time.
      
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      November 30, 2017 10:24am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Poke his eyes out !
    
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    November 30, 2017 10:05am
  - Manolo
    
    As the co-host of NBC’s “Today,” Matt Lauer once gave a colleague a sex toy as a present. It included an explicit note about how he wanted to use it on her, which left her mortified.
    
    On another day, he summoned a different female employee to his office, and then dropped his pants, showing her his penis. After the employee declined to do anything, visibly shaken, he reprimanded her for not engaging in a sexual act.
    
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    November 30, 2017 11:23am
  - KevOB
    
    This is getting to look & feel like another bitch hunt.
    
    What about the rest home folk? One felt up Father Christmas’s legs the other day and pointed out bits in the middle too. All this at a luncheon.
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:48pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, and it just shows how things are changing in Wellington, with this gem on the Herald website tonight:
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11950710
    
    What business do the OIO have even looking at this, the man has been sacked because of an accusation. In the US, he is innocent until proven guilty.
    
    I am not trying to be dismissive, but:
    
    1. He has not been charged with a crime;
    2. He has not been found guilty of sexual assault; and
    3. Who sets the bar in NZ, the head of the OIO, or is it the minister – one jealous commie MP Eugenie Sage.
    
    At what point do these people accept that there is due process, and when Lauer purchased the property he met the good character criteria – you can’t keep revisiting matters, just because circumstances change in Wellington.
    
    Keep this up, and I’ll start a chant “drain the swamp”
    
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    November 30, 2017 10:47pm
- tom hunter
  
  Long time reporter Cokie Roberts had this to say the other day about Democrat bigwig Conyers:
  
  “Don’t get in the elevator with him, you know, and the whole every female in the press corps knew that, right, don’t get in elevator with him.”
  “Now people are saying it out loud. And I think that does make a difference.”
  
  Which led to the following comment from Law Professor, Ann Althouse in Minnesota:
  
  The question, of course, is why didn’t she or any of the other women in the press corps say it out loud? And what are you still not saying out loud? Are you just waiting until somebody else exposes one of the politicians you have been protecting or is there no one else you’re just hanging back not talking about until the day comes when you’ll be saying, once again, oh, yeah, we all knew that?
  
  I’m beginning to see why Lefties have been hammering away about the prevalence of “rape culture”.
  
  Because in the worlds they inhabit, it is.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:20am
  - waikatogirl
    
    When Weinstein was exposed and the media was speculating how an apparent open secret had not been reported by the USA msm, a TV journalist said everyone knew but Weinstein was a very powerful man, what were we going to do?
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Garrison Keillor – goneburger
  http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/29/media/garrison-keillor-inappropriate-behavior/index.html
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/garrison-keillor-fired-minnesota-public-radio-allegations-improper-behavior
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:23am
- mara
  
  It’s a witch hunt with trial by media. Remember the child satanic abuse nonsense doing the rounds back in the day and innocent Peter Ellis incarcerated for years? I don’t include rape, of course, but to call a drunken grope or proposition as a sexual assault is just silly. Harden up ladies and look at your own behaviour before snivelling about what some twerp said to you 20 years ago.
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:15am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s the same media / entertainment industry who for the past 50 years have relentlessly pushed the so called sexual revolution and successfully sexualised everything who are now playing being outraged at the result of their own shenanigans.
    
    Ye reap as ye sow.
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:31am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Hear hear, I couldn’t agree more.
    
    And also I don’t applaud when these allegations are made against ‘lefties’ as a way of getting at them. This madness is an attack on men, whatever their political persuasion, and it should be recognised as such.
    
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    November 30, 2017 11:05am
- Longknives
  
  George Takei is the most enjoyable fall from grace for me.
  This sanctimonious prick has been relentlessly flinging crap at President Trump,White Males, Christianity etc etc like there is no tomorrow.
  Now it turns out he is a creepy Sexual Predator and the allegations/revelations are coming in.
  I’m guessing old George won’t be tweeting ‘hilarious’ insults to President Trump and his family for a while…
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:18am
  - Scott
    
    Mr Sulu??? Nooooo!!!!
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:28am
  - softail 1450
    
    . longknives. “Cream me up Scottie ” I’m in trouble .
    
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    December 1, 2017 6:45am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Off topic.
  BREAKING NEWS:-
  Rex Hunt accused of sexual harassment.
  2561 female fish have recently come forward. “He’d just kiss us and throw us away” they said.
  More news to come!
  
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  November 30, 2017 6:23pm
Paulus

I see that Law Society is backing Golriz G in the work she has undertaken for the UN.
Nobody is causing a problem in that direction – what the comments say that she failed to clearly enunciate by word or CV that she was not just a Prosecuting Lawyer but also Defence Lawyer.
If she had clearly said that nobody would have been fazed – but what she and the Green Party have done is to highlight their ineptness as both they and her are guilty by omission.
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November 30, 2017 8:07am
- Inandout
  
  Lawyers always form a corral around their members, which is why very few are debarred. Many enter politics when they are bored.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:15am
  - holysheet
    
    Many enter politics when they are ~~bored~~ about to be outed.
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:19am
  - VicParking
    
    Or are useless.
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:36am
  - Chris R
    
    I have been a lawyer for more than 40 years. Your suggestion that lawyers form a corral is utterly and demonstrably false. When a lawyer transgresses professionally (and/or personally) the Law Society acts promptly and without hesitation or favour, no other professional body or organisation is more adept at cannabalising its constituent members. Isn’t it a pity the idiotic Green Party doesn’t adopt this approach.
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:48am
    - Inandout
      
      I approached a local Law Society about a member who charged usurously on a will. They tried to fob me off by saying ‘they can charge what they like’. The CAB law help line said I may as well forget going any further because (by implication) lawyers are a law unto themselves.
      
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      November 30, 2017 9:11am
      - Chris R
        
        If a bill is under $2000 the Law Society doesn’t have jurisdiction as established by Parliament. There was nothing to prevent you disputing the account in the aptly named Disputes Tribunal. To state that lawyers are “a law unto themselves” is extravagant nonsense. The only persons in our country who seem to believe this and behave as such are Greens candidates and Winston Peters.
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:31am
      - Jack5
        
        Isn’t Winston a lawyer, too, Chris?
        
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        November 30, 2017 10:00am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Chris R, you know that is bullshit. If you are on the inner with the Law Society you will only be acted against if your offending is so egregious that it simply cannot be ignored – like, say, the media has information about it.
      
      Otherwise it will simply be covered up. If, however, you are at odds with the society, all bets are off and even relatively harmless behaviour will get you in trouble, as a warning to those who won’t toe the line.
      
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      November 30, 2017 10:09am
      - Chris R
        
        I disagree ES. I have acted for lawyers who have faced relatively minor charges and the process is rigorous, decisive and punitive.The most routine genesis for a complaint is from within the profession and does not reflect pressure from the public domain. It is a dangerous position for a lawyer to find his/herself. They risk loss of livelihood in tandem with professional and public opprobrium. The fines/costs awards dished-out are frequently eye watering.
        Jack5: I have no idea whether Winston still holds a practising certificate and I do not care.
        
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        November 30, 2017 12:43pm
- KKKKatee
  
  That may be so, but how is the Law Society going to explain Gharhaman’s fantasy that she was running from bombs then? She (Gharahman) has certainly embellished her story so that the reader has a mental vision of poor little Golriz running and hiding when bombs were going off around her? Can’t quite see how any Lawyer can spin a credible yarn out of that one. Gharaham has told so many fibs she’s forgotten what she’s actually said.
  BTW – why isn’t the PM speaking out about this?
  Haven’t heard a dickey bird from the PM’s office on the issue so far.
  
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  November 30, 2017 12:31pm
  - RF
    
    The PM is sitting in the corner, hands over ears. Rocking back and forth chanting .. La. La. La.
    
    No bloody use to anyone….
    
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    November 30, 2017 3:24pm
- Piniwi
  
  Nice of them Paulus but are seeing only the legal opinion. Entering politics is totally different and public scrutiny is natural when offered a fabrication of credentials. It speaks volumes to her ability as a lawyer when she struggles so hard with her own story. It now seems there is a lot more to come to get the full story.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:05pm
Maxx

I noticed this article this morning talking about how the building rate still hasn’t recovered since the GFC. Then it has a graph halfway down where you can see building consents plummeting after 2004. Perhaps it is reasonable to look at what happened in 2004 to the industry. Oh. The Building Act 2004. Perhaps this could be it
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99353561/homes-still-not-being-built-as-fast-as-they-were-precrisis
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November 30, 2017 8:12am
Morrissey

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GROPERS
No. 13: WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON

In a gripping account punctuated by sobs, the Arkansas woman told “Dateline NBC” that in her Little Rock hotel room, Clinton suddenly “turned me around and started kissing me, and that was a real shock. I first pushed him away. I just told him ‘no.’ . . . He tries to kiss me again. He starts biting on my lip. . . . And then he forced me down on the bed. I just was very frightened. I tried to get away from him. I told him ‘no.’ . . . He wouldn’t listen to me.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/broaddrick022599.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/10/11/joy-behar-calls-bill-clinton-accusers-tramps-on-view.html

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
No.1 George Herbert Walker Bush; No. 2 Bill O’Reilly; No. 3 Al Franken; No. 4 Robin Brooke; No. 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; No. 7 Joe Biden; No. 8 Rolf Harris; No. 9 Harold Bloom; No. 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; No. 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; No. 12 Prince Harry, AKA “The Big H”
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November 30, 2017 8:14am
- Morrissey
  
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  As of 8:21 a.m., two munters had registered their support for Bill Clinton.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na, Not a registration of support for WJC; just a downtick for you and this very old news.
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:26am
    - Morrissey
      
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      You say that, Maggy, but the optics on the munters’ behaviour are very bad: it looks like they endorse the old groper. (And indeed, judging by their supportive comments for the pestering of young women by a recently retired New Zealand politician, they probably do.)
      
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      November 30, 2017 8:30am
      - Inandout
        
        You are becoming libelous now.
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:14am
      - Morrissey
        
        Really? How so?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLTyNOxXWCM
        
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        November 30, 2017 10:04am
- Rich Prick
  
  Yawn. But do collect your femi-virtue-participation-points over there —–>
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:13am
- Ed Snack
  
  I give Morrisey credit for calling out gropers from all sides.
  
  There should be, however, some acknowledgement of the severity of any offending. Number one on the list was one G H W Bush, who’s crime was a bit of groping from a wheelchair bound person. I agree it was completely wrong and something he should certainly have apologized profusely for, and it is OK to shame him with it. But it is not in the same league as actual physical assault and rape which is what one W J Clinton is accussed of. And, one must point out, those crimes have been covered up and defended by numerous people over many years such that Bill Clinton has yet to suffer any criminal prosecution for his alleged crimes.
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:14am
  - Jack5
    
    Good point. If Bush senior is suffering from dementia, he’s no longer responsible for his actions.
    
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    November 30, 2017 11:31am
    - Morrissey
      
      Did he suffer from dementia when he ordered the destruction of Iraq?
      
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      November 30, 2017 4:23pm
  - Morrissey
    
    All very good points, Ed. However, the list is not in order of severity; many of the worst offenders have not appeared yet. It’s also affected by what’s happening at the moment—I posted up Prince Harry so that it coincided with the news of his engagement. Similarly, that Australian gardening bloke Burke has suddenly reared his head…
    
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    November 30, 2017 4:21pm
Gravelroad

Gee, who knew there were so many disgusting, dirty environment-wrecking farmers in Auckland?
According to Mayor Goff on the AM show today, environmental pollution in the city and harbour of Auckland has been building up to current unacceptable levels over 80 years and now a special tax is required for the clean up.
Didn’t hear much about that during the election campaign. Plenty of hateful insults directed at farmers though by politicians and citizens alike.
New campaign required by Fish and Game. Can we think up a few monikers to pair up with Dirty Dairying?
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November 30, 2017 8:15am
- Maxx
  
  Must be all the vege patches that Aucklanders have on their 1/4 acre homes.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:29am
  - hullkiwi
    
    No quarter acre properties around the inner harbour. This whole thing just shows Goofy to be the incompetent fraud he is. Water is the responsibility of Watercare, although it is a CCO, it has ability to raise funds for capital works like fixing Auckland’s storm & sewerage water systems. The requirement to fix sewerage going in the harbours does not (& should not) be funded by ratepayers, but by Watercare’s customers. As for Goody’s transport plans over 50% of the region (by area) are not served by public subsidised transport, but will continue to pay for “improvements” to the system & receive no benefits.
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:57am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      I have 1/3. Is that close to 1/4? By Labours’ variable decimal point?
      Logic – 3 is less than 4
      
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      November 30, 2017 6:30pm
- Brito
  
  No mention of ageing infrastructure. No mention of the E.coli coming down the streams from Remuera, St Heliers, Newmarket, Parnell etc. Pure poo!
  
  These are the old original suburbs where the sub- surface infrastructure has been slowly degrading for decades.
  
  This is an urban issue created by piss poor programmed maintenance by successive local governments.
  
  Go to Piha or Karekare and put your kids in the streams which run past the leaking septic systems. Go on Mr Goff, I dare you. I bet your staff who are planners and maintenance people wouldn’t do it.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:50am
  - Jack5
    
    Brito, sounds then as though Auckland’s facilities are on the way to becoming those of a Bangladesh slum.
    
    More Old World colour for tourists from China and India.
    
    Come to New Zealand and see the way you used to be.
    
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    November 30, 2017 10:03am
    - Brito
      
      Wander along any stream in old Auckland and you’ll see more than silt in the water. E.coli clusters on particles of silt and concentrates the contamination levels in pools long after the flood has passed.
      
      Easy to put lipstick on a pig to cover the obvious blemish and make the unpalatable a little more approachable (thank you Gareth). But scratch the makeup off and you can find…a pig.
      
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      November 30, 2017 10:25am
- kowtow
  
  I love how the urban left types , the media , the academics, NGOs , churchy types etc all the pricks who bang on about the environment and keeping things pure and simple , clean and green, unspoilt , anti farmer, anti wealth creation, no fracking , no mining types etc
  
  All live in huge fucking cities , with cars and polluting lifestyles and yet they are the very ones who live in the most changed and fucked up environments and would not have it any other way. Near the airports for overseas holidays , near the cafes for their lattes, near the best schools ( cos even though I’m a left voter I won’t send my double barrelled little special to any brown infested school)
  
  Hypocrites.
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:23am
- Sam A
  
  Sick Suburbs
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:15am
davidp

We need to lay off Golriz Ghahraman today. The Bosnian war criminal who committed suicide by drinking poison in court today was probably one of her besties and she’ll be feeling a bit sad.
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November 30, 2017 8:15am
- holysheet
  
  Nah she will be sad that she wasn’t part of the dramatic court scene. Imagine her outrage if she had of been one of the defence team, but wasn’t in the court at that particular time. Oh the shame to have missed such an opportunity.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:25am
  - RF
    
    Damn. Too late for another selfie.
    
    If she is quick she might just have time before he is buried.
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:26am
- Morrissey
  
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  Here’s footage of another war criminal choking in public….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnOnDatqENo
  
  Similar thing happened to another war criminal…
  
  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/prez-chokes-pretzel-faints-article-1.490564
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:27am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Where’s the one of Obama ?
    
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    November 30, 2017 10:18am
  - Morrissey
    
    Sorry, Ed, I can’t locate any footage of the war criminal Obama choking on a pretzel, but I have a video of some shockingly insincere method acting that he inflicted on the world a few years ago…..
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-03072013/#comment-656950
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:37pm
- Chris R
  
  I hope he paid her bill before he topped himself, otherwise she won’t be flush enough to take her pathetic non-funny comedian boyfriend for future holidays to the Cambodian playgrounds (oops meant Cambodian killing fields.)
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:12am
flipper

No proble4m with the 3ork donje by the Iranian wernvch.
But like all lawyers on all sides, and Police, they fudge the issue for their benefit. m Look at threats of “discipline” by the lawyers trade union made here.
It is not the work that is the issue, but the claims that the Iranian made. They were bullshit and the trade union knows this. It would, of course, be “improper” for it to point out the sick joke that has been perpetrated by the Iranian wench. Bollocks !!!!!!!
A pox on them all….
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November 30, 2017 8:21am
- fernglas
  
  Can we have that in English, please? I particularly look forward to a translation of the words “wernvch” and “donje”
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:34am
  - dubya
    
    They sound vaguely Afrikaans to me.
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:45am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Or Yiddish (wernvch especially), but ssssh, don’t say it out loud or we’ll have EAD raving on about it…
      
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      November 30, 2017 10:20am
  - flipper
    
    Well I suppose that is what happens when arthritic fingers and a non functioning EDIT button clash.
    It also helps if the underlying word/spell checking programme identifies words that include numerals. But your query indicates the abysmal level of your intelligence…. 🙂
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:20am
    - fernglas
      
      Well I assumed a person of your obvious intelligence wasn’t going to use a patronising and pejorative term like “wench” to describe a woman who is neither a young girl nor a prostitute, so I thought I’d ask what it really was that you were trying to say.
      
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      November 30, 2017 11:19am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Watch out or you’ll be ibfh on my cjdxkhdj bkerk and fjf to!
    
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    November 30, 2017 11:13am
Sofia

Winston’s secret super issue is still puzzling.

When informed of a discrepancy, Winston instantly dropped what he was doing in Wellington, flew to Auckland and met personally with officials and corrected the matter within 24 hours and in return received a letter commending his prompt co-operation. The issue was done and dusted history before a hint of it was public.

Considering Metiria’s amoral mess with her self confessed fraud, Winston was the epitome of conscientious and prompt honest action: diametrically opposite in comparison to Metiria and a considerable Election advantage to him, if only people knew about it.

So the only feasible reason in any National source leaking that the incident had actually happened, weeks after it had been fully handled, would surely have been to help Winston win votes.

When first asked about it by Newshub journalist Lloyd Burr, Winston could have said “Yes, it happened, but was instantly put right by me, over a month ago”, or, with more edge, he might have asked “Have you yet found out the exact amount or extent of Metiria’s fraud?”
But instead Winston obfuscated, then played the victim card, next the witch-hunt and finally the vendetta.

“… underhand, and it’s dirty politics. It’s probably, in my view, illegal. Utterly, utterly wrong and apparently they knew even before I knew. … It’s humbug. It’s tawdry. It’s dirty. It’s filthy, and they should not succeed on that … It’s a political party that’s been deeply exposed now. That’s all the way to the Prime Minister.”
That really screwed the goose that could have laid the golden egg.
How to look a God-send in the mouth.

Any reporter, learning of an irregularity in payments concerning a politician, would surely be failing in their job to not seek clarification.

Apart from the question “whether something had even happened at all”, the only real public information on Winston’s issue was “details” he himself volunteered to media. And he himself is vague on that actual detail, saying he only asked for totals owing and indicated a lack of itemisation, so one wonders in what form private details existed. and their accessibility for anyone to actually leak them?

Crap can happen to just anyone it seems: subsequently it is revealed that 52,525 overpayments were made in the year to June 30, 2017 – an estimated total of $32,828,125.
Winston was only one in tens of thousands.

And crap can happen to politicians:
Bill English probably still wonders who was the initial leaker of all the private information about text messages between himself and his former Clutha-Southland electorate staffer, in the months leading up to her resignation?
Again, Winston is only one of many.
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November 30, 2017 8:31am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I have little doubt that the leak came from within NZF. The story broke at the height of Jacindamania, and on the weekend of National’s campaign launch. At the time, Winston was getting no media coverage, which is like oxygen to him.
  
  What better way to get his name back in front of people than a mini scandal which had already been resolved? Even better; Winston could then make wild allegations about who leaked the information, and we all know how he loves to play the role of injured innocent.
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:03am
  - Sofia
    
    You would think it would take only one person to leak anything, especially if as you suggest, Keeping Stock, it came from within NZF.
    
    But Winston names nine suspects …2 newsmen, 4 then-Government Ministers, 2 staff and 1 head of Government department.
    
    If one or some of these people are actually found to be guilty, can those who are not responsible, then sue Winston for defamation?
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:55am
- Ross12
  
  Talking about Metiria, when is the Court hearing?
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:11am
Morrissey

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Worth reading, if you care about illegal and unwarranted government surveillance…..

https://thestandard.org.nz/key-and-mass-surveillance-was-this-the-reason-for-the-golriz-distraction/
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November 30, 2017 8:34am
- starboard
  
  The strandard…LMFAO ??
  Free tinfoil hat coming your way morris. ?
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:51am
  - Morrissey
    
    Translation: “I trust the government. I believe their assurances. I’ve done nothing wrong, so why would I worry if they snoop on me? Oh, sure—you can read my diary, if you like, and you can search through my belongings at will. I trust the government. I have done nothing wrong. What have I to fear?”
    
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    November 30, 2017 10:02am
- Keeping Stock
  
  If you class something as “worth reading” Morrissey, that’s a red flag for me to avoid it like the Plague.
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:04am
  - Morrissey
    
    Translation:
    
    http://reface.me/wp-content/uploads/i-dont-read-books.png
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:59am
Gravelroad

So what’s with this bus/rail strike in Wellington?
Has Ms Ardern forgotten her assertion made during the election campaign that there would be no strikes on her watch, or was that just “national “ strikes?
There’s getting to be a lot of disillusioned people who voted for “that nice Jacinda” because they believed what she said.
Sigh. Christmas holiday season next.
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November 30, 2017 8:41am
- Maxx
  
  Around the time that many organisations are starting to have the xmas parties and people are requiring public transport after they’ve had a few.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:52am
- hullkiwi
  
  Word I’ve heard is that the transport unions around the country are watching with interest the outcome of the bun fight in Wellington.
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:16am
- KKKKatee
  
  Ms Ardern – lying again……
  What’s new?
  
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  November 30, 2017 12:24pm
- Paulus
  
  If the Rail Union do not get their way in Wellington tomorrow will the other part of the Union – the Maritime (read ferries) take their old position as before in stopping the Christmas/New Year Ferries in support ?
  
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  November 30, 2017 2:16pm
Keeping Stock

James Shaw is complicit in the deception about Golriz Ghahraman. This is an extract from a speech he gave to the NZ Institute of International Affairs in the Grand Hall at Parliament on 30 May 2017:

Members of this audience may be interested to know that one of those candidates, Golriz Ghahraman, is, at number ten on the list, almost certain to
become the first Member of Parliament who started her life in New Zealand as
a refugee.

Having fled Iran in 1990 as a child, Golriz is now a human rights lawyer who worked as a prosecutor at the United Nations tribunals for Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia. She also worked on the Khmer Rouge tribunal in Cambodia.

http://www.nziia.org.nz/Portals/285/documents/lists/259/Speech%20-%20NZIIA%20(James%20Shaw)%20-%2030%20May%2017%20(Final).pdf

That is a direct quote from Shaw’s speech to the NZIIA. So there are two alternatives in play here.

Either the Green Party did not do due diligence on Ms Ghahraman, and simply took it for granted that her claims were accurate, or they made a conscious decision to present a sanitised version of her CV in the run-up to the election.

Shaw must address this issue without delay, instead of hiding behind his Shield of Sanctimony, accusing others of a “political hit-job”. It is clear from the quote above that he and his party, whether knowingly or not, have been part of the deception.
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November 30, 2017 8:41am
- Keeping Stock
  
  For some reason, the link above is not working. You can access the text of the speech here:
  
  http://www.nziia.org.nz/past-events.aspx
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:50am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The link is here.
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  Well sleuthed KS. Shaw is in donkey deep on this.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:56am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    To be fair, I simply went digging after I saw something on Twitter. Google was my friend 😀
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:05am
pejhay

All Wellington Trains cancelled again tomorrow (Friday) due to strike action – Thanks Labour
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November 30, 2017 8:44am
- krazykiwi
  
  I have ferry booking over Christmas. An important family wedding to attend, so I’ve booked fully refundable flights as a precaution. I remember the 70s and early 80s when you could set your watch by rail ferry strikes.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:47am
- oldpark
  
  Not forgetting the renegade low renter Peters.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:56am
- pejhay
  
  Thanks CoL
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:06am
- backster
  
  Please give Winston some credit too.
  
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  November 30, 2017 12:06pm
krazykiwi

If you’ve ever been seated in a middle seat surrounded by 200+ kg of flabby human flesh then this story may appeal:
Overweight fliers should pay more to fly and sit in their own section of the plane, says British public.
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November 30, 2017 8:45am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Overweight fliers would need two sections, to maintain an appropriate center-of-gravity for the aircraft.
  Putting all that mass in one part of the plane would not be a good idea.
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:19am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I have been on a regional flight with Parekura Horomia. Flight operation folks re-seated other passengers to ensure the aircraft was balanced correctly.
    
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    November 30, 2017 1:09pm
    - MH
      
      it’s OK when the left do it.
      
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      December 1, 2017 12:06pm
  - Piniwi
    
    If it is Air NZ then they have some obese cabin staff that cause havoc moving forward or aft. The pilots battle to trim the aircraft with her every footfall.
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:12pm
- RF
  
  When you see Dr. Megan Woods boarding your aircraft suggest you take another flight.
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:31am
  - softail 1450
    
    RF ,would it be the excess weight issue or the possibility that she might start talking about herself and have all other passengers looking for the exit doors?
    this fricking woman is living in a delusional world where she thinks she is universally loved, a laughing stock is the only comments I’ve ever heard about her from my left and right leaning friends.
    she is a nut and will be making laws for all of us to follow ,god help us .
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:38am
- Morrissey
  
  Does this fat bastard pay extra? (Assuming he hasn’t been arrested for barging past security)….
  
  https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1382582554/004/9323004.jpg
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:54am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Interesting, fat bastard, yes, but you do know that he was invited past security by the security ops themselves. ?
    
    He was wrong to accept, but he hardly “barged past security” in any way, shape (fat) or form.
    
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    November 30, 2017 10:25am
    - Morrissey
      
      He was invited, or he pressured them to “invite” him by a display of petulance and impatience?
      
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      November 30, 2017 10:39am
- kowtow
  
  Their own section ?
  
  Yep , I recommend the cargo hold.
  
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  November 30, 2017 12:33pm
  - sooty
    
    Nah, the wing.
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:59pm
VicParking

I’m sure that if Stephen Joyce did not have breakfast before he was interviewed by ‘The Guy’ on Red Radio this morning he certainly had by the time he was cut off short. The problem with the pre-prepared questions is that earlier David Parker had come out and said the law change on the purchase of farms by overseas owner is purely Labour/socialist dogma and will have little or no effect on prices.
One thing that I have to praise labour for is the team they have got flooding Red Radio with Tweets and Emails supporting any policy announced. The announcers read them with delight and I’m sure glee.
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November 30, 2017 8:49am
- Morrissey
  
  “The problem with the pre-prepared [sic] questions…”
  
  How can something be “pre-prepared”?
  
  (Redundancy is ugly: let’s get rid of it.)
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:07am
  - Kimbo
    
    Just work on your addiction to emphatic adverbs before picking splinters out of the eyes of other rhetoric abusers! 😉
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:25pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Fair comment, Kimbo—but let’s face it: “pre-prepared” is an atrocity, no matter which way you cut it.
      
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      November 30, 2017 4:16pm
- backster
  
  Parker dripped hatred and envy last night when interviewed by Larry, kept repeating that he was fixing the 1% even though everything he condemned he was part of himself in the 1%, ex shady developer,trougher.
  
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  November 30, 2017 12:19pm
- Paulus
  
  See that Helen Clark’s old team can still influence the early morning Maori speakers on RNZ.
  Getting worse too.
  
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  November 30, 2017 2:19pm
tom hunter

Maybe if Tim “‘Tard” Cook paid more attention to his business than being a SJW cheerleader, shit like this would not happen, Apple’s “High Sierra OS (10.13.1) has a massive security hole:

Normally you’d click that to enter your user name and password, which are required to change important settings like those in Security & Privacy.

No need to do that any more! Just enter “root” instead of your user name and hit enter. After a few tries, it should log right in. There’s no need to do this yourself to verify it. Doing so creates a “root” account that others may be able to take advantage of if you don’t disable it.
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Needless to say, this is incredibly, incredibly bad. Once you log in, you’ve essentially authenticated yourself as the owner of the computer. You can add administrators, change critical settings, lock out the current owner, and so on. Do not leave your Mac unattended until this is resolved.

They should have this fixed today (they bloody well better be that quick) – but it’s another sign that Apple is still running on Job’s legacy, and that’s starting to dwindle to fumes now under plonkers like Cook.
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November 30, 2017 8:50am
- Ed Snack
  
  It is fixed, and via the rarely used mandatory updates mechanism built in to MacOS. If you switch on/login to a High Sierra Mac from now on (actually about 8 am this morning) it will automatically patch this.
  
  Big mistake but at least a very prompt fix. For something this serious, they really had to respond quickly, I bet there were a few 24 hour + shifts worked by some key engineers at Apple.
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:29am
Manolo

A suicide in court:
http://tg.la7.it/esteri/al-tribunale-penale-dellaja-che-lo-condanna-per-crimini-di-guerra-un-generale-croato-bosniaco-si-29-11-2017-122295
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November 30, 2017 8:51am
Chris R

I note with dismay that North Korea’s ability to launch missiles is improving both in range and accuracy. Donald Trump is rightly concerned about this. So, what does the media do, it concentrates on his dubious propensity to tweet? The media is so drenched in its hatred for Trump it ignores the genuine threats from North Korea. Why not hate Kim? I imagine he tweets too (if they have that technology in his sad country.)
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November 30, 2017 8:55am
- Inandout
  
  And the Dem guy who continued his anti Trump tirade. So whatever Trump does is wrong, and Little Kim knows this.
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:20am
- MCos
  
  Both stories have been covered extensively on the news including the information that one of those rockets could land on your place if you keep badmouthing Kim whatshisname.
  
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  November 30, 2017 12:21pm
- realityczech
  
  Chris R, calm down and think for yourself.
  
  Why on earth would Kim want to attack the USA or anyone else, bringing about certain destruction of his country and leadership ?
  
  You are buying into war propaganda from the USA. The only reason they are against Kim is because Israel is concerned he may sell nukes to Iran.
  
  Of course that is waaaaay too complicated for the gape jawed morons of KB to grasp so you are in good company…
  
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  November 30, 2017 12:26pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    Why on earth would Kim want to attack the USA or anyone else, bringing about certain destruction of his country and leadership ?
    
    Because he’s not a rational man and believes his own bullshit propaganda. Irrational, totalitarian leaders who consider themselves mini-gods often pursue stupid and suicidal policies.
    
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/hitlers-greatest-mistake-invading-russia-22557
    
    The only reason they are against Kim is because Israel is concerned he may sell nukes to Iran.
    
    They have opposed and contained the NK regime since the 1950’s, long before Iran started it’s nuclear program.
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:32pm
    - realityczech
      
      “Because he’s not a rational man and believes his own bullshit propaganda. ”
      
      Trodden, based on your ignorant and naive acceptance of US propaganda.
      
      This sort of shit is always how they set the stage for war. They have dehumanised and demonised the enemy in the minds of the moronic.
      
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      November 30, 2017 12:38pm
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        I’m one of the last people to accept US propaganda without thinking, or any other governments. My post was based on observing the facts. Kim is an irrational man who believes his own hype. That’s an observable fact. Such men, when they are leaders, are prone to self-destructive and suicidal decisions. That’s also a fact. And the US has opposed the NK regime since the 1950’s, long before Iran’s nuclear program. That’s also a fact. So, I have cited facts, and you have cited a conspiracy theory based on your obsession with Jews and Israel, an obsession driven by your personal psychological and emotional issues.
        
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        November 30, 2017 12:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        Realityczech’s post refers to the “gape jawed morons of KB.”
        
        He/she must have been talking about TeamKea. “Gape jaw” is a disease of birds, including mountain parrots!
        
        Big mouths from gape jaw a problem for ☪TeamKea,☪ are they? What a surprise. ?
        
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        November 30, 2017 2:11pm
      - realityczech
        
        “That’s an observable fact.”
        
        Trodden, oh really.
        
        Tell us about your first hand observations during your time in North Korea ?
        
        Or were you making shit up again ?
        
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        November 30, 2017 5:31pm
  - Paulus
    
    But I am advised that the actual rockets are supplied by Russia.
    They are kitted out in North Korea for firing.
    
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    November 30, 2017 2:20pm
  - Chris R
    
    CZEH:You are subsumed by the notion that Kim actually thinks let alone thinks rationally. You are too kind in your assessment of him.
    
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    November 30, 2017 2:57pm
  - Komata
    
    realityczech
    
    Re: ‘Why on earth would Kim want to attack the USA or anyone else, bringing about certain destruction of his country and leadership ?’
    
    Why? For a very simple reason, the US (representing the United Nations BTW, rather than its own specific interests), IS ACTUALLY STILL AT WAR (apologies for caps; used for emphasis), with North Korea. Despite what you may believe (as evidenced by your answer), the ‘Korean War’ actually HASN’T ended, it has merely been ‘suspended’ at a point along the 49th Parallel, and the ‘border’ between the UN forces (sent in to assist the Republic of Korea [the ‘South’ or ‘South Korea’] and the Korean Democratic People’s Republic (aka ‘North Korea’) at the time both sides decided to ‘suspend’ fighting. Note however that this suspension was at the US/UN forces behest, NOT at the instigation of North Korea. This area is now known as the Demilitarized Zone or DMZ BTW. While the rest of the world and the UN may believe that everything is now ‘Peace and Light’ in the area, and that the DMZ is merely a ‘token’ symbol of the conflict, the North doesn’t hold to that view. At the time that the Armistice was declared, the North Korean dictator still believed he was going to win, and that the Armistice would give him more time to rearm and when that had happened, to return to the fray and ultimately ‘liberate’ the entire Korean peninsula.
    
    His grandson still holds to that view, and if the few media reports that come out of North Korea are to be believed, that country is still expecting the UN /USA coalition forces to invade as they pursue their plan to destroy the Democratically-elected free state of North Korea.
    
    On that basis, what we are currently-seeing makes perfect sense to those who are in charge in North Korea. They see themselves as heroes (or at least, the leaders do) and are prepared to martyr themselves (and their country; although the ‘peasants’ don’t matter very much) for the cause against the hated Yankee Imperialist Running Dogs.
    
    The line of thought that follows that premise will quite quickly see that having nuclear capable weapons will give the North at least something approaching parity with American military might, and give the valiant upholder of International Marxist-Socialist-Leninist thought and ideology a chance to at least ‘stand-up’ to the hated imperialist ‘aggressor’. It’s deluded, its irrational, but it is very, very deliberate. and, to use a Japanese analogy, it is the ‘Banzai’ strategy which prompted the JNAF / JAAF ‘Kaimakaze’ response during WWII.
    
    North Korean leaders know that they and their country would loose if it ‘goes nuclear’, but better a fireball of glory for international socialism, than a life of ‘oppression’ under the heel of the Yankee invader. That they might actually be better off should they surrender to the UN/ US forces will be something that will never occur to them, a view not helped by the distinctly north-Asian concept of ‘Loss of Face’.
    
    On that basis, nothing is going to change anytime soon, and the North Korean ‘needling’ will continue, until an exasperated US/ UN responds and gives the North Korean government the ‘blaze of glory for the cause’ previously alluded to.
    
    BTW: I would suggest that, when this happens, the North Korean President will not be in the vicinity…
    
    Hopefully, what I have written will have provided at least some sort for answer for your question; thanks for asking it.
    
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    November 30, 2017 3:15pm
  - Brito
    
    Here’s a fact kea.
    
    If Iran has a nuclear weapon then at some time in the future they’ll have another nut job running the country and he’ll believe that he should head to paradise and wipe out Israel on the way.
    
    But, the missile will have to get past the Iron Dome first and it has two shows of doing that. Then the Israelis will wipe Iran off the face of the earth and anybody else who cares to step up.
    
    So, whose fault will it be then me old mountain parrot? I’m sure you’ll find a reason to deny a country it’s right to protect it’s citizens.
    
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    November 30, 2017 4:57pm
    - realityczech
      
      Brittle, The Persians have not attacked anyone in 300 years. Are you insane ?
      
      Hey only a few months to one of the biggest events in the Jewish religious calendar – Purim.
      
      Have you got your effigies of dead Persians ready to teach the kids to beat with a stick ?
      
      Imagine if anyone else did this in modern day USA !
      
      http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b71f69e201bb07fe10b9970d-pi
      
      [Purim is when the self declared “chosen ones” celebrate the mass murder of Persians]
      
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      November 30, 2017 5:38pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
ARE THE NEW ZEALAND LABOUR – LED GOVERNMENT HOUSING LIARS ?

(NZ Finance Minister) Grant Robertson wants house prices to keep rising … Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/grant-robertson-wants-house-prices-to-keep-rising.html

… No mention of urban limits abolition and bond financing of infrastructure. Why ? Refer Ardern / Twyford section of …

PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING – HUGH PAVLETICH
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http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/index.html

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/General.html
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November 30, 2017 9:01am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Wow Hugh; have the scales fallen from your eyes?
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:07am
  - niggly
    
    Tell ya what, now that Hugh realises Labour can’t fix it …. let’s just close down Govt Ministries, sack all local body officials i.e. anyone associated with building and housing etc … and put Hugh in charge!
    
    NZ’s housing and building crisis will be sorted, overnight!
    
    Well, that might happen but only if Hugh can tear himself away from his Kiwiblog obsession of spending all day preparing and writing up dozens of posts of what National didn’t do in 1775 or what John Key said once when he was a toddler.
    
    Argh um actually waitaminute, ok, scratch that idea …
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Well done Hugh, that earned you an uptick.
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:17am
  - niggly
    
    Pssst – you know that just means his obsession continues …. ???!!!
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:21am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      In case you missed this from yesterday …
      
      NEW ZEALAND Property Institute / Curia Poll: Strong support for New Governments policies – Interest Co NZ
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91121/most-people-think-house-prices-will-decline-or-stay-same-over-next-6-months-and-new
      
      The new government’s housing policies are proving popular with the public, according to a Property Institute survey … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      … Behind paywall … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
      
      Many Aussie home owners now want prices to fall … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia
      
      By Leith van Onselen In the lead-up to the New Zealand General Election on 23 September, which delivered a change of government, opinion poll after opinion poll ranked housing as the key issue that would decide the election. With Sydney and Melbourne housing costs at extreme levels: And home ownership rates collapsing across … (behind paywall) … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      … Behind paywall … http://www.theaustralian.com.au/
      
      Many homeowners want house prices to fall, says survey … The Australian
      
      Three quarters of non-owners who want prices to fall say it would … investment bank UBS declared Australia’s housing boom “officially” over. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      November 30, 2017 9:53am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        … and what I said a day earlier …
        
        NEW ZEALAND: MEET THE NATIONAL PARTY ‘CONFESSOR’ ON HOUSING … MICHAEL WOODHOUSE
        
        Flat house prices prove there’s no crisis – National housing spokesman Michael Woodhouse | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/flat-house-prices-prove-there-s-no-crisis-national-housing-spokesman-michael-woodhouse.html
        
        Following the disastrous Newshub poll late May 2016, the Sainsbury interview and the NZ Herald Mood of the Boardroom (refer GONE GONE GOING section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ), it was easy to predict John Key would bail … as a I did last August …
        
        Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/Housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-Keys-Waterloo
        
        Key bailed early December … giving Bill English the hospital pass to face the music in 2018.
        
        Immediately … Bill English said the new administrations focus would be on housing, infrastructure and shared prosperity.
        
        Remarkably … within the week … bucking to vested interests pressure and the hammering his government was taking for its 9 years of housing failure … English panicked by extinguishing the housing ministers role altogether !
        
        That was the National Party’s dopey way of trying to get the housing issue to go away.
        
        Since deservedly going in to Opposition October … rather amusingly … National has ‘rediscovered’ housing and appointed Michael Woodhouse a its ‘confessor’ on this issue.
        
        Watch Mr Woodhouse apprehensively explain away the previous governments massive housing failures.
        
        Some of these failures were outlined at the time of the release of this year’s Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey within NEW ZEALAND’S HOUSING CONSENSUS: WHERE IS THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP ? …
        
        http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/auckland-worlds-fourth-hardest-to-buy.html
        
        … extract …
        
        ‘…Auckland’s median house price was $427,500 when Mr Key’s Government came to office late 2008 (refer 2009 5th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey ).
        
        If prices had even been held at this level … with a sound mix of land releases and progressive bond financing of infrastructure … and with Auckland’s current median household income of $83,000, Auckland’s median multiple today would be 5.1 not the current 10.
        
        Median house prices are currently way out of control at around $830,000.
        
        Better still … if prices had been allowed to gently ease since late 2008 (as polling has illustrated most New Zealanders prefer … and currently getting underway in Greater Christchurch, led by easing rentals), then Auckland today would be well on the road to restoring housing affordability.
        
        Auckland’s house prices would now be around 4 times household incomes, not the egregious 10 times incomes they are.
        
        The median house price would be about $330,000 … not the current stratospheric and grossly irresponsible $830,000 !
        
        Political failure of epic proportions ! …’
        
        No wonder National’s new housing spokesman Michael Woodhouse looks so guilty within the Newshub interview.
        
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        November 30, 2017 9:56am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Land releases, weren’t going to ahppen. And unless the cheap money policies were reversed (which NZ cannot do in opposition to the major economies refusal to do the same), then the housing price bubble was inevitably going to continue.
        
        Asset price bubbles are the price paid for the cheap money policies implemented (theoretically) to stave off a wider recession/depression.
        
        Your major mistake Hugh is to ignore the role cheap money plays, and to acknowledge that NZ alone cannot change that policy setting without major detrimental flow affects elsewhere.
        
        In other words, the housing price bubble was effectively inevitable and unavoidable; and almost no government action would have been effective to prevent it.
        
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        November 30, 2017 10:35am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘‘…Auckland’s median house price was $427,500 when Mr Key’s Government came to office late 2008″
        Meh, I paid $79,000 for a four bedroom Villa in Mt Eden in 1988
        So what’s your point?
        
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        November 30, 2017 10:57am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Ed Snack … With all due respects, the Annual Demographia Housing Surveys (13 to date) illustrate … year after (tedious) year … that it is the political impediments to new supply that is the problem … land supply and infrastructure financing …
        
        http://demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
        All Markets … Alphabetical …
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi13-s4.pdf
        
        Cheap money in middle North American too … yet housing is affordable or near affordable. Google search ‘New Homes’ … Houston, Dallas Fort Worth, Atlanta, Kansas City, St Louis … whatever …
        
        We are simply talking about restoring housing affordability in New Zealand … not inventing it …
        
        Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
        
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        November 30, 2017 11:21am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        NZ Finance Minister two-faced on housing affordability – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/nz-finance-minister-two-faced-housing-affordability/
        
        After the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (RBNZ) prematurely decided to ease its successful mortgage LVR restrictions yesterday, New Zealand’s new finance minister, Grant Robertson, has claimed that he wants to simultaneously improve housing affordability while ensuring that home values continue to rise by 2%-3% a year. From NewsHub: … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 30, 2017 11:52am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        OCTOBER CONSENT JUST RELEASED BY STATISTICS NZ …
        
        The number of new dwelling consents issued in October was below where it was 12 months ago | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91161/number-new-dwelling-consents-issued-october-was-below-where-it-was-12-months-ago
        
        There was a big drop in the number of new dwelling consents issued on October, adding further urgency to the government’s plans to boost housing construction.
        
        According to Statistics NZ, consents were issued for 2549 new dwellings throughout the country in October, down 8% compared to the 2770 that were issued in September and down 1% compared to October last year. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        Homes still not being built as fast as they were pre-crisis … Fairfax / Stuff NZ
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99353561/homes-still-not-being-built-as-fast-as-they-were-precrisis
        
        New Government data shows the home-building rate is yet to reach it’s early-2000s peak.
        
        The rate compares population with residential building consents. In a 2004 peak 33,251 new residential buildings were consented, compared to a population of just over four million – creating a build rate of 0.81 per cent. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 30, 2017 1:44pm
Kimbo

Special day for we of Ngati Scottish whakapapa- St Andrews Day.
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November 30, 2017 9:17am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Och aye th’ noo Kimbo!
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:21am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s an important day, too, in Russia. St Andrew is the patron saint of Russia – and of Ukraine, Bulgaria, Greece, and Romania.
    
    https://blogs.fco.gov.uk/keithallan/2015/11/30/st-andrews-day-in-russia/
    
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    November 30, 2017 11:38am
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      Notice the pattern
      
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      November 30, 2017 12:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        They are all traditionally Eastern Orthodox nations, and the pattern reflects the direction – in roughly the reverse order to that listed by Jack5 – in which the original evangelisation of the peoples of Eastern Europe occurred? And since the fall of Constantinople in 1453, Moscow has taken over the traditional role as the temporal “protector” of the wider Eastern Orthodox community?
        
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        November 30, 2017 12:43pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

If anybody is expecting Gorillaman to resign any time soon…my sympathies to them….
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November 30, 2017 9:20am
Manolo

As long as he is a liberal hack the perv is forgiven by his mates:
https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/kathie-lee-gifford-is-ready-to-forgive-matt-lauer.html

Kotb admitted that it was hard for her “to reconcile what we’re hearing with the man we know,” while Gifford went further, urging forgiveness for Lauer.
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November 30, 2017 9:27am
Suze Wainwright

I have to love a couple of my fellow train commuters. Getting on the train like they do at their nice little respectable upper middle class suburban station. Their virtue signalling and righteous indignation about the evils in society before the last election could not have been better scripted and choreographed. Now I hear they both anticipate making an absolute killing from prospective real estate sales next year. I haven’t the heart to tell them, but I might recommend a nice little chardonnay for them to take home one of these days.
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November 30, 2017 9:38am
Kimbo

No matter what one thinks of Donald Trump…he sure knows how to use the “bully pulpit”! 😉

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11950135
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November 30, 2017 9:39am
- tom hunter
  
  Actress Amber Tamblyn:
  
  “Honestly, I trace everything back to the election of Donald Trump. I think that without him being elected,, if it had been Hillary Clinton, this would’ve never happened to Harvey Weinstein.”
  
  Or Kevin Spacey, Charlie Rose, Louis C.K., Matt Lauer – and in the political world John Conyers and hopefully Al Franken (who is very, very sorry – which may be enough to rescue him).
  
  Donald Trump as a feminist hero. Amazing.
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:03am
  - Morrissey
    
    Your post is almost as bizarre and fantastical as a Trump tweet.
    
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    November 30, 2017 11:07am
  - backster
    
    But I haven’t heard the outrage from Madonna and Meryl Streep and that singer old enough to be Lorde’s Grandma yet. I guess they all migrated to Canada after all.
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:24pm
- Morrissey
  
  Yes, and many people worry about his instability and his aggressive behaviour. But nobody respects him. Rex Tillerson has so little respect for him that he has publicly stated that he thinks he’s a moron.
  
  Trump is so extreme, and so clearly not up to the job, that it’s just a matter of waiting for him to leave now. That might take seven years, of course, due to the uselessness of the Democrats.
  
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  November 30, 2017 11:05am
waikatosinger

Strange that Jacinda didn’t bother to question the Manus “refugees” about jandals and pineapple lumps.
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November 30, 2017 9:40am
- marcw
  
  I seem to remember Ardern and co were offended at the thought that ‘rich listers’ could buy their NZ residency. So it can’t possibly be correct that Ed is going to be allowed in, even if he has his jandals. That would be hypocritical, no?
  
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  November 30, 2017 1:31pm
RF

I heard our Rachael Smally interviewing an American journalist about Trump calling Senator Elizabeth Warren, Pocahontas. The snow flakes are up in arms about this terrible name.

This fraudster claimed Native American heritage by telling everyone she is part Cherokee. This is based on one of her aunts having high cheek bones “like all Indians do.” Utter bull shit but it gave her a free ride through Harvard Uni on an Indian grant. She refuses to take a DNA test.

Warren is a very good friend of Crooked Hillary and has been very vocal about the evil Trump.

Warren has another Indian name… “walking bird”. She is so full of shit she is unable to fly.
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November 30, 2017 9:45am
- Jack5
  
  Yeah, pretty mild compared with Raving Rachel branding NZ women as a whole “a bunch of lardo’s”.
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:18am
- Victor Omega
  
  Faux outrage. Not even the code talkers were offended.
  
  http://www.dailywire.com/news/24045/navajo-code-talker-breaks-silence-after-trump-ryan-saavedra
  
  Rachel Smalley has kicked into full time outrage mode and therefore must be dismissed.
  
  That said, I’d still pay to see Milo shred her in a debate.
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:21am
- Brito
  
  I thought Warren was English. Doesn’t it mean a place where small bunnies run aimlessly along tunnels copulate, shit, copulate, shit, run aimlessly, emerge and get eaten by a passing fox?
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:29am
  - Victor Omega
    
    Sounds more like the beehive.
    
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    November 30, 2017 10:36am
- All_on_Red
  
  Warren aka Liawatha, claimed the ancestry so she could get a job at Harvard.
  Another example of someone embellishing their past for monetary gain.
  Still President Trumps joke was pretty lame. He should bury the Hatchet with Warren.
  Maybe take her to a Redskins game to make up
  ?
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:53am
- tom hunter
  
  Good opportunity to link to Steyn’s classic piece on this fraud of a Senator…
  
  To the casual observer, Mrs. Warren, now the Democrats’ Senate candidate, might seem a 100 percent woman of non-color. She walks like a white, quacks like a white, looks whiter than white. She’s the whitest white since Frosty the Snowman fell in a vat of Wite-Out.
  
  Then he really gets stuck in – with his obligatory reference to classic musicals …
  
  But she “self-identified” as Cherokee, so that makes her a “woman of color.” Why, back in 1984 she submitted some of her favorite dishes to the Pow Wow Chow cookbook, a “compilation of recipes passed down through the Five Tribes families.”
  
  The recipes sent in by “Elizabeth Warren—Cherokee” include a crab dish with tomato mayonnaise. Mrs. Warren’s fictional Cherokee ancestors in Oklahoma were renowned for their ability to spear the fast-moving Oklahoma crab. It’s in the state song:
  
  Ooooooklahoma!
  Where the crabs come sweepin’ down the plain. . .
  
  But then the white man came and now the Oklahoma crab is extinct, and at the Cherokee clambakes they have to make do with Mrs. Warren’s traditional Five Tribes recipe for Cherokee Lime Pie…
  
  Pow Wow Chow?
  
  Jesus! – I mean, 1984 and all that, but still, so unwoke.
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:59am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yes, but it will all go away if she can prove her membership of Red Sox Nation!
    
    Warren didn’t start out great in this regard, noting in July that her husband was responsible for keeping her up-to-speed on sports teams like the Red Sox. She also couldn’t recall the precise years that the team won the World Series last decade when she was asked at a Democratic forum last year.
    
    But Warren’s campaign more recently, to its credit, has been on the ball (so to speak). It tweeted a photo of her shaking hands — in the cold, no less — outside Fenway Park, and more recently tweeted her prediction that the team would win 96 games this year and that center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury would be the most valuable player.
    
    If you want evidence that this issue matters in the campaign, look no further than those tweets. They are an acknowledgment that she has work to do.
    
    “I hope she’s at Opening Day tomorrow,” DiCara said of the Red Sox home opener. “I’m going to be there. She certainly knows the mistakes that Martha made, and I expect will try not to repeat them.”
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/elizabeth-warren-and-the-red-sox-test/2012/04/12/gIQA7Pe1CT_blog.html?utm_term=.2dc49dc5e348
    
    What is it about Massachusetts and dodgy Democratic Senators?
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident
    
    Then again since 1972 it has been the new “Lone Star State”! 😉
    
    https://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/timeline/margin-of-victory/maps/1972_mov.png
    
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    November 30, 2017 11:08am
    - tom hunter
      
      What is it about Massachusetts and dodgy Democratic Senators?
      
      Shhhhhhh…… We’ve got one as the US Ambassador. 😯
      
      Stupid prick couldn’t even explain the term “well regulated Militia” to John Campbell when got the chance.
      
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      November 30, 2017 11:18am
  - tom hunter
    
    Oh I really can’t resist a couple more quotes from that Steyn article.
    
    Even in a world where everyone’s incredible, some things ought to be truly incredible. Yet Harvard Law School touted Elizabeth “Dances with Crabs” Warren as their “first woman of color”—and nobody laughed.
    
    Because, if you laugh, chances are you’ll be tied up in sensitivity-training hell for the next six weeks.
    
    Heh. The Ayatollah Khomeni once said that there was no laughter in Islam, but Identity Politics Leftism runs a close second.
    
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    November 30, 2017 11:21am
Morrissey

I agree with your comments about Weka. Her intrusive editing is overbearing in the extreme.
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November 30, 2017 9:51am
starboard

Lol..if you wana have a laugh google morrissey breen.
Looks like he is not welcome anywhere..bawhahaha! ?what a loser.?
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November 30, 2017 10:01am
- Morrissey
  
  “Everywhere”, starboard? Have you, er, asked your wife?
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:09am
  - starboard
    
    Hahahahaha morris..look up loser in the dictionary theres a picture of morrissey breen…bawhaha what a bell end ?
    
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    November 30, 2017 10:18am
  - starboard
    
    My wife passed away 6 years ago morris.
    
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    November 30, 2017 10:21am
    - Brito
      
      Starboard the world is filled with people like Morrissey. Heartless and without feeling!
      
      David should ban him for that insensitivity!!!!
      
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      November 30, 2017 10:31am
    - Morrissey
      
      Sorry, starboard. It was a reflexive joke, which I’ve used many times online. No offence was intended.
      
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      November 30, 2017 10:35am
    - Brito
      
      Anyway Starboard, I said to your wife last night, just before you got home, that Morrissey was insensitive. And can you fix that window I climb out, I’m getting old and fat and it’s a squeeze.
      
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      November 30, 2017 10:42am
      - Brito
        
        Don’t downtick me Morry. Damage is done already.
        
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        November 30, 2017 10:50am
      - Morrissey
        
        I didn’t downtick you Brito.
        
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        November 30, 2017 11:00am
Inandout

WO does seem to know where to look for the history on Golriz Ghahraman. ‘More to come’ sounds interesting.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/11/soper-genocide-golly/
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November 30, 2017 10:08am
- JibberJabber
  
  Unfortunately, we have all heard this “more to come” from WO before, invariably it`ll be a damp squib if it ever sees the light.
  
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  November 30, 2017 11:57am
Harkman

So right after the election is over the LVRs have gone from 20% to 10%. So how many votes did this cost National? 0.5%, 1%, 2%? What is obvious is that the RBNZ has intervened in politics. The irony is under this government they are likely to lose their independence.
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November 30, 2017 10:14am
lifesgood

I feel sorry for any farmer trying to sell his farm. He is either not going to be able to sell it or have to sell it at a knock down price. Kiwis just don’t have the money. I bet there are a lot of farmers fuming today.
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November 30, 2017 10:22am
- Inandout
  
  Lab/NZF/Gweens don’t mind as farmers don’t vote for them.
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:27am
  - Morrissey
    
    Sensible and thoughtful farmers vote Green or Labour. But not the irresponsible ones who support this water policy….
    
    https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/l/f/i/z/s/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.1lfi0o.png/1504501119377.jpg
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:28pm
Muttonbird

Some serious backtracking by Quin here. When you start deleting tweets, it’s all over.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/guy-who-called-golriz-ghahraman-a-genocide-denier-denies-calling-her-a-genocide-denier.html
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November 30, 2017 10:40am
- Morrissey
  
  Phil Quin is too stupid to be dealing with matters such as this. He’s way out of his depth.
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:59am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Some serious backtracking by Gharaman here. When you start deleting Wiki and Green Party Bio’s, it’s all over.’
  Hahahahahahahahaah
  
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  November 30, 2017 11:04am
- rangitoto
  
  Has he been getting threats from the Greebore First pardy?
  
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  November 30, 2017 12:14pm
RF

What’s happening over on the sub standard. There appears to be a mass migration of orcs heading our way from there.

Quite a few new faces who abuse our hosts relaxed moderation.

The female prentice or the dumb weka would not allow this as they are now banning for 2 month periods. I came close the other day.

Pleased they are still taking their nasty pills.
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November 30, 2017 10:51am
Manolo

Another liberal caught perving:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/business/media/garrison-keillor-fired.html
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November 30, 2017 11:01am
- Dave Mann
  
  That’s a real pity. His show was fabulous and he’s a real talent. Warm, intelligent, creative and funny.
  
  Another blood offering to the feminazis.
  
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  November 30, 2017 11:48am
  - Inandout
    
    There are scores of men on their hit list, whilst completely ignoring the average Muslim’s treatment of their females. Very, very few Muslim women speak out for obvious reasons, but they suffer in silence.
    
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    November 30, 2017 11:52am
    - GoVege
      
      That’s coz only white women count. 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2017 4:23pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Yes Inandout. I’ve just read the article and can you imagine what this ‘monster’ did…?
    
    He put his hand on a woman’s BACK, ffs! An ‘unidentified’ woman. Some time ago (not revealed).
    
    My god! What a farce. At the closing of his life (relatively speaking) this brilliant man who gave warmth, laughter and joy to millions has had his career and his reputation gutted like this.
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:02pm
    - GoVege
      
      I was groped umpteen times but never on the upper back.
      I bet she got together with her gal pals and eventually somebody suggested he was…. trying to undo her bra!
      Crafty!! 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2017 4:28pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Warm, intelligent, creative and funny.
    
    I thought that too for years as I listened occasionally to a A Prairie Home Companion in the USA.
    
    But sadly, he turned out to be a nasty piece of shit who orbited Manhattan for much of his life and was filled with private contempt for those sober Midwesteners he so publically praised.
    
    I emphasise the term nasty piece of shit:
    
    “…hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, see-through fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, hobby cops, misanthropic frat boys, lizardskin cigar monkeys, jerktown romeos, ninja dittoheads, the shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, cheese merchants, cat stranglers, taxi dancers, grab-ass executives, gun fetishists, genteel pornographers, pill pushers, chronic nappers, nihilists in golf pants, backed-up Baptists, Crips and Bloods of the boardroom.”
    
    His opinion of the GOP and their voters.
    
    This news surprises me not at all.
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:07pm
    - Inandout
      
      I don’t know this man and there must be hundreds of ‘celebrities’ like him, but how far back do we go? Just about every male in NZ has a sexist past, and then there are the drunken females. Every day I see another ‘star’ fall, but eventually some evil bastards will escape justice because of the sheer volume of accusations. Just as with other news making items there is a fatigue that sets in.
      
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      November 30, 2017 12:29pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      As I said… warm, intelligent, creative and funny. Well, maybe not so warm, but certainly very insightful in an intelligent, creative and funny way!
      
      What imagery!
      
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      November 30, 2017 5:41pm
    - Morrissey
      
      You mightn’t like it, Tom, but that’s a fair description of the Republican voter. Mind you, several of those descriptions apply equally well to Clinton’s voters—especially “Christians of convenience”, “freelance racists” (Hillary and Bill were shameless purveyors of the slander that black men are “feral”, and their race-baiting speeches of the 1990s are very Trump-like), “grab-ass executives”, and “genteel pornographers.”
      
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      November 30, 2017 5:52pm
Manolo

Obama minions and appointees working against Trump:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/seven-days-in-november-1511913288?mod=e2tw

It would be hard to exaggerate the absurdity of events now overtaking the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau—and, if they weren’t so laughable, their dangerousness.
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November 30, 2017 12:40pm
sooty

Zetv is in for retraining today.
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November 30, 2017 1:04pm
sooty

The wheels on the bus go round and round.
When will the wheels fall off?
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November 30, 2017 1:06pm
MCos

In the wake of various US media big shots admitting to sexual harassment charges it seems today seems to have brought some more apologies.
James Shaw for misrepresenting Golriz Ghahraman work on the Rwanda prosecutions and Phil Quinn has apologized for calling her a genocide denier.
Now Sir William Gallagher has apologized for his inflammatory speech the other day.
Two apologies I’m not expecting anytime soon. Trump for anything and any nonentity anywhere on social media for anything they’ve ever written.
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November 30, 2017 1:18pm
- All_on_Red
  
  During the Presidential debates
  ANDERSON COOPER: You describe kissing women without consent, grabbing their genitals. That is sexual assault. You bragged that you have sexually assaulted women. Do you understand that?
  
  DONALD TRUMP: No, I didn’t say that at all. I don’t think you understood what was said. This was locker-room talk. I’m not proud of it. I apologize to my family. I apologize to the American people. Certainly I’m not proud of it, but this is locker-room talk…
  
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  November 30, 2017 1:47pm
  - MCos
    
    That’s the oddest thing.
    Trump never apologizes for anything, but here he is apologizing for something he says he didn’t say.
    I believe he’s now saying that wasn’t his voice after confirming elsewhere that it was.
    How are you going to spin all that?
    
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    November 30, 2017 2:57pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Looks like he’s apologising to me.
      It was on the debate.
      Besides it all looks a bit tame now
      
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      November 30, 2017 3:00pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Bloggus Interuptus with Children.
      Now.
      You said he never apologises for anything and yet, there he did. During a Presidential debate. On Television.
      So nice of you to admit you were wrong
      ‘but here he is apologising’
      
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      November 30, 2017 3:13pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Here’s another example
      ‘”Sometimes, in the heat of debate, and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don’t choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. I have done that, and believe it or not I regret it,” Trump said.
      August 2016
      
      “I do regret it particularly where it may have caused personal pain.”
      And another
      ‘Earlier this year,(2017)Trump said that he had regrets in the wake of a feud he had with Fox News host Megyn Kelly. Trump said he “absolutely” had regrets.
      Source ABC News.
      
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      November 30, 2017 3:23pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      “I believe he’s now saying that wasn’t his voice after confirming elsewhere that it was.”
      
      Not true apparently. He stands by his apology
      ‘White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said President Donald Trump stands by his original apology for his remarks recorded by the infamous “Access Hollywood” tape in which he described sexually assaulting women, and that his position hasn’t changed’
      ‘“The President hasn’t changed his position,” she added. “I think if anything, what the President questions is the media’s reporting on that accurately.”
      
      I see the NYT (snigger) made the claim but they only refer to ‘insider’ and a ‘Senator’
      No names- as usual.
      http://wtvr.com/2017/11/27/white-house-stands-by-trumps-original-access-hollywood-defense/
      
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      November 30, 2017 3:49pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Here’s the Quin tweet where he misspeaks about not accusing GG for which he has now apologised.
  But the rest of the tweet is interesting
  ‘I’ve never said @golrizghahraman is a genocide denier but she volunteered to work for a defence whose strategy was to cast doubt on the veracity of the historical record, i.e. revisionism — part and parcel of denial. If she now rejects that theory, she could say so.’
  
  What’s the story about her association with Peter Robinson who’s been accused of revisionism too?
  
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  November 30, 2017 1:57pm
  - MCos
    
    Phil Quin also said in a tweet
    ‘It was pointed out correctly that I did use the term genocide denier in a flurry of excitement upon discovering a paper that hypothesized troubling theories about the genesis of the genocide. I should not have used that term w/o further evidence & I apologize to @golrizghahraman’
    
    You also appear to have misunderstood what I wrote regarding Sir William Gallagher. Refer to this article http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/99399233/Sir-William-Gallagher-apologises-over-Treaty-comments?cid=app-iPad
    
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    November 30, 2017 2:34pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      My point about Quin was about the content in that tweet which refers that the defence teams strategy was (allegedly) to be revisionist of the historical record. Quin suspects GG went along with that and is interested in that as your copy of another of his Tweet indicates.So am I.
      As for Gallagher
      You are confused.
      I’ve never discussed Gallagher.
      
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      November 30, 2017 2:58pm
      - MCos
        
        My apologies about the Gallagher reference. I mistead your comment.
        
        Whatever Quin may have thought of the defense team stategy he blatantly accused GG of being a genocide denier, which he apologized for and denied he said.
        https://amp.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/7gbv0n/the_source_of_the_golriz_story_is_now_trying_to/
        
        In the interim I also came across this opinion piece
        http://opiniojuris.org/2017/11/28/a-shameless-attack-on-golriz-ghahraman/#comments
        
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        November 30, 2017 4:29pm
Brito

Can somebody please tell me what you must do to get prosecuted by the NZ Police?

Fly a DC10 into a mountain, build a shitty viewing platform, have a shitty safety system in a coal mine, have dodgy building codes and practices which kills over 100 people??????

None of these bloody things apparently. The more you kill and the more you involve government or accept payoffs the more expedient you become as a citizen.

Shame on you fuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99399561/police-will-not-prosecute-over-ctv-collapse
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November 30, 2017 1:32pm
- Kimbo
  
  Can somebody please tell me what you must do to get prosecuted by the NZ Police?
  
  Shoot someone in self-defence and it will earn you a mandatory prosecution to establish it was indeed…self-defence!
  
  I agree on the CCTV building – buildings built a century ago stayed up, but only a generation old, which just happened to be designed by someone who falsified their qualifications came down? Come on!
  
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  November 30, 2017 1:38pm
- Brito
  
  And who ever down ticked…shame on you too mate!!!!
  
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  November 30, 2017 2:01pm
  - starboard
    
    NURSE!
    
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    November 30, 2017 3:35pm
- Gruffydd
  
  Yeah Brito
  Take them to court
  Give the organizations huge fines for all the dodgy shite they get away with.
  The taxpayers can always pick up the tab for your outrage…EH.
  
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  November 30, 2017 2:16pm
  - Brito
    
    Draw the smoke back into your lungs…..hold it…hold it….exhaaallleee! Yeah fuckin good hit!
    
    Griffoid, you are a small diversion in my day. Thank you for your light entertainment value.
    
    Now crawl back into the void you’ve been condemned to by your narrow, blighted, and obviously gay outlook on life.
    
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    November 30, 2017 3:51pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Can somebody please tell me what you must do to get prosecuted by the NZ Police?
  
  104 km/h?
  
  Use force to fend off an intruder?
  
  Use an inappropriate gender pronoun?
  
  Discipline your child with a light smack?
  
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  November 30, 2017 6:53pm
kowtow

People abandoning the papers , no trust in the media , and here’s why . Their own fault for writing and publishing rubbish like this…….

‘Like John Key, a Dunedin bouncer has avoided conviction for pulling a woman’s ponytail’

The facts are nothing like the Key case.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/court-news/no-conviction-bouncer-pulling-woman’s-hair
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November 30, 2017 1:52pm
JasonJohns

For 177 years NZers have been lied to about the TOW.
The Littlewood Treaty the true text has been hidden.
A fake English text has been put in Te Papa.
Allan Tiford exposed the lie and and was sent to jail after championing the Littlewood treaty.
Sir William Gallagher exposed the Treaty as a fraudulent document last week…but now the 177 year old conspiracy has kicked into gear again and he has been silenced
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/99399233/sir-william-gallagher-apologises-over-treaty-comments
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November 30, 2017 2:01pm
JasonJohns

At least Sir William hasn’t been jailed like Titford or had his reputation attacked like John Ansell.
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November 30, 2017 2:02pm
JasonJohns

A lot of people wonder…how could a conspiracy to hide the true treaty last 177 years. why did hobson get in on the conspiracy? why did subsequent governments keep hiding the true treaty?

the one nz foundation provides the answer: the clapham sect. https://onenzfoundation.co.nz/wordpress/the-clapham-sect-and-the-treaty/ watch out, sir william…
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November 30, 2017 2:04pm
Inandout

What the hell.

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/sa-principal-praised-after-school-attack/news-story/b6ca6768df9e10c430ee3912fe99ace2
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November 30, 2017 2:06pm
JasonJohns

We now know (after many years) that the Littlewood Treaty is in the handwriting of JAMES BUSBY…the most likely choice from day one. This being an irrefutable fact, accompanied by the equally irrefutable fact that the document is clearly dated the 4th of February 1840, then, IT IS, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE FINAL ENGLISH DRAFT.

BUT HOBSON HID THIS TRUTH AND THE CLAPHAM SECT CONTINUES TO ASSIST MAORI RADICALS TODAY!

2. All of the earlier Treaty drafts, written between the 1st and 3rd of February, 1840 by Hobson, Freeman or Busby are located at the National Archives. It would have taken less than five minutes of handwriting comparisons to ascertain, or at least strongly suspect, that James Busby was the individual who had penned the Littlewood Treaty. The statement by Internal Affairs Minister, Graham Lee, that: specialists from the National Archives and elsewhere now believed they were in for “a long haul” in determining who had written the draft, on paper with an 1833 watermark. “There is no guarantee that even after an enormous amount of work that we will come up with the goods”… is absolutely impossible to believe!

GRAEME LEE IS IN LEAGUE WITH THE CLAPHAM SECT AND THE RADICALS!

3. The long sought after “lost final English draft” was handed, by Hobson, to Reverend Henry Williams at 4pm on the 4th of February, 1840. The Littlewood Treaty, in the handwriting of James Busby, is dated the 4th of February 1840. James Busby wrote the yet earlier draft, which preceded the final draft, on the 3rd of February 1840 and was acting as the “Treaty drafting secretary or scribe” throughout the final stages of completing the English version of the Treaty Of Waitangi.

4. The statements by Dr. Claudia Orange dismissing the Littlewood document on the grounds that: “It looked instead like a translation of the Maori version of the Treaty into English”… or… “The wording in English follows very closely the wording of the treaty in Maori, several copies of which were signed by most Maori chiefs around the country”…are meaningless, “red herring” statements conceived to, somehow, sow doubt related to the document’s significance. Consider the following:

The final English draft ABSOLUTELY SHOULD mirror the Maori version of the Tiriti O Waitangi sentence by sentence, as that’s what a TRANSLATION is supposed to do…and that’s EXACTLY what the Littlewood Treaty (Busby’s final draft of the 4th of February 1840) does.

Dr. Claudia Orange glosses over the date on the document, as if it doesn’t exist. HAVE ANOTHER LOOK!…THE DATE SAYS THE 4TH OF FEBRUARY 1840…THERE WAS NO “MAORI” TIRITI O WAITANGI ON THE 4TH OF FEBRUARY 1840. The Littlewood Treaty cannot possibly be a “back-translation” of the Maori Treaty version, as the Maori version did not exist until the next day. The Maori version was created from the Littlewood Treaty (Busby’s final draft).

The “official” English version being used (Busby’s preliminary draft of the 3rd of February 1840) is a radical departure away from the Maori version. They are as different as “chalk and cheese”. Please take time to carefully compare and consider several different older (1800’s) “back-translations” of the Maori text into English. You’ll be shocked to see just how radically different the so-called “official” English text is to the Maori text. There’s simply no-way the “official” English text produced the Maori one. Our government and the grievance industry are deliberately using the wrong English text in order to plunder the country. Both the true English text and the Maori text give equal rights to “ALL THE PEOPLE OF NEW ZEALAND – TANGATA KATOA O NU TIRANI”.
If the Maori text alone were used to formulate government policy, then the grievance industry would cease to exist overnight. The government and grievance industry do not want New Zealanders to know that the Maori version of the Treaty guarantees equality TO ALL THE PEOPLE OF NEW ZEALAND, as well as the Chiefs and the tribes, and offers no provision for any special “customary rights” to any singular or exclusive group. The term, “Tino rangitiratanga” or interpretations related to “taonga”, as found within the Tiriti O Waitangi, relate equally to all New Zealanders simultaneously and always have.
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November 30, 2017 2:07pm
- starboard
  
  NURSE!
  
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  November 30, 2017 3:37pm
- KevOB
  
  Is there a copy of the Littlewood document on line?
  
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  November 30, 2017 6:00pm
- wiseowl
  
  I have a copy of the Littlewood .
  Article First
  “The chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes and the other Chiefs who have not joined the confederation ,cede to the Queen of England for ever the entire Sovereignty of their country”
  
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  November 30, 2017 7:01pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Graham Lee?
  Wasn’t he the Lemon from Paeroa?
  
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  July 17, 2025 3:30pm
ross411

Has anyone else gotten a glimp popup on this site? I just visited the main page, and got it.
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November 30, 2017 2:14pm
- treadingthemill
  
  Yes, several times.
  
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  November 30, 2017 2:48pm
  - ross411
    
    Popups got a reputation as shady years ago, now when I see one I have to wonder if the web site has been hacked and some seedy businesses ads are being put on there by the hackers. It’s not a good look.
    
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    November 30, 2017 3:34pm
    - Brito
      
      It’ll be the Jews, just ask kea and EAD and their boy Sammy.
      
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      November 30, 2017 5:00pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

ANZ monthly business confidence survey (looking very indicative of a coming recession):

A net 39% of businesses are pessimistic about the
year ahead, the lowest level since early 2009, and a decline of 29 points from the
previous month. Headline business confidence is negative across all the five subsectors.
It is weakest among agricultural firms, while the sharpest fall came in the
retail sector (down 35 points).

https://www.anz.co.nz/about-us/economic-markets-research/business-outlook/
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November 30, 2017 2:25pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yeah, but don’t worry. Some economist will be along shortly to explain that everything’s just fine.
  
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  November 30, 2017 2:42pm
  - Manolo
    
    Not to worry. Nobel Prize of Economics Grant Robertson to the rescue.
    
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    November 30, 2017 2:55pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Krazykiwi,, how about shaw and gharahman,they could embellish those bad numbers and have them looking ticketyboo in no time,,,,,,.
    
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    November 30, 2017 2:57pm
Manolo

Oh dear:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-caught-telling-katie-couric-to-keep-bending-over-like-that-in-2006-video-clip.html
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November 30, 2017 2:53pm
Jack5

Some reading to rark up ☪TeamKea.☪

“Asian” racists beat up white woman in England. (I think that in the UK media, “racists” is usually code for ethnic Pakistanis).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5130171/Woman-left-horrific-head-wound-racist-attack.html
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November 30, 2017 3:19pm
- Digmen1
  
  Its about time that all ethnic Pakistanis in the UK were rounded up and dropped off back home.
  All they seem to do is cause trouble – raping and grooming etc.
  Where do they work? Do they work? What do they live on?
  
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  November 30, 2017 3:36pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Wholey shit. Golriz Ghahraman describes herself as a ‘woman of colour’, even though having been born Iranian, a Persian, she is a genuine Aryan.
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November 30, 2017 3:50pm
- SPC
  
  Oh no, “genuine Aryan”, round and around like a snake noose/KKK hoodie.
  
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  November 30, 2017 4:02pm
  - SPC
    
    Are all Iranians/genuine Aryans expected to describe themselves as white race people – be proud of being to claim this – even if they have some colour?
    
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    November 30, 2017 4:06pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      GG is the sad little muppet who tried to garner some sort of privileged political authority by bringing up her ethnicity – when she is in all her speech and behaviour patently just a hard-left kiwi SJW with inflated sense of self-importance. I’m just pointing out that the very name of the country ‘Iran’ is derived from ‘Aryan’, so she should probably be protesting against herself when it comes to left wing hierarchies in ethnic virtue 🙂
      
      Also note that Persians are culturally quite distinct from Arabs – typically a lot more learned, industrious and modern in outlook – their unfortunate foray into theocratic rule not withstanding, they tend to look down on other middle eastern cultures.
      
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      November 30, 2017 4:30pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Also note that Persians are culturally quite distinct from Arabs”
        
        Yes in the same way Norwegians are distinct from Samoans.
        
        Jews are closer to the Arabs than the Persians are. Both Jews and Arabs are semites.
        
        Semite
        ˈsiːmʌɪt,ˈsɛmʌɪt/Submit
        noun
        plural noun: Semites
        a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.
        
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        November 30, 2017 5:45pm
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        So, if I criticise those Hamas murder squads could I be accused of being anti-Semitic?
        
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        July 17, 2025 3:36pm
- Manolo
  
  Ah, the poor little princess wants to be one of us. 😀
  
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  November 30, 2017 4:41pm
  - Inandout
    
    She is a wog, as they used to call them, and still do.
    
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    November 30, 2017 5:21pm
    - MCos
      
      So now we’re getting to the crux of this saga for people like you.
      
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      November 30, 2017 5:40pm
    - realityczech
      
      “She is a wog”
      
      Is that like a Yid or a Kike ?
      
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      November 30, 2017 5:46pm
      - Brito
        
        Easy boy I’m easily offended. Remember I find Cindy offensive.
        
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        November 30, 2017 6:23pm
SPC

Jordan Williams describes himself as a former Green Party member presumably to justify a media role as commentator on them (as Phil Quin does on the Labour Party despite the fact he has played little if any part in it since he was involved in an attempt to roll Clark as leader in 1996) and he has since co-founded the Taxpayers Union.

If efficient management of government spending is his focus why join the Green Party? It was not their priority.

Should he not be forming a blue green party, if he has environment concerns, or was his objective to make the Greens, blue-greens?
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November 30, 2017 4:15pm
- Morrissey
  
  Jordan Williams? You mean Cameron Slater’s manservant? That idiot has a law degree, believe it or not…..
  
  https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-17042013/#comment-620413
  
  https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-12092013/#comment-695426
  
  https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-11122014/#comment-938316
  
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  November 30, 2017 4:28pm
  - Brito
    
    Maybe I listened to another Jordan Williams on that show. Me thinks you’re telling porkies to garner support for your twisted paradigm Morry.
    
    He didn’t do any of the stuff you said he did. Liar, liar!!!
    
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    November 30, 2017 5:04pm
    - Morrissey
      
      In fact he did all of that stuff. I could make it up, I guess, but no one would believe it. It’s funnier, and sadder, because Williams actually did say all that stuff. In the first link, he advocates for the crazy and discredited science-denier Screaming Lord Monckton, then loses it when the superior Josie McNaught contradicts him, before meekly admitting he hasn’t got a clue what he’s talking about.
      
      In the second link, he makes an ignorant comment, repeated from his Fox News viewing, about Iran, then compounds it by chuntering on about Cold War history. Clearly he has not read a single book on either subject.
      
      In the third link, Williams makes some imbecilic remarks about torture and “American values”. His fellow guest on The Muddle, Maria Slade, is obviously horrified by his comments, and by those of the bewildered host Larry “Lackwit” Williams.
      
      I recommend anyone who wants a good laugh to read Nicky Hager’s account, in Dirty Politics, of Cameron Slater’s cruel and abusive treatment of Jordan Williams.
      
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      November 30, 2017 5:41pm
  - Inandout
    
    Please don’t link to that sorry site.
    
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    November 30, 2017 5:20pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Happychappy: That’s more than you will ever have pea brain.
      
      BREEN: Ouch. That REALLY hurt. Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow.
      
      https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8706310.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/GettyImages-83566414.jpg
      
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      November 30, 2017 5:45pm
  - Happychappy
    
    That’s more than you will ever have pea brain.
    
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    November 30, 2017 5:40pm
BananaLlama

Had a bloody good laugh at Trump retweeting Britain first then telling Sharia May to worry about Muslim terrorists instead. Jayda Fransen from Britian first is facing Jail time for critising Muslims in the United Kingdom, UK has serious problems when it comes to free speech
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November 30, 2017 4:46pm
Doubledimp

train strike is off, bugger, was looking forward to a sleep-in and a cruisy day.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99417390/wellington-train-strike-called-off
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November 30, 2017 5:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Much backroom talking with Angry I would imagine.
  
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  November 30, 2017 5:18pm
sooty

I nominate Alan Reay and David Harding for a knighthood for designing the CTVbuilding and killing 115 people.
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November 30, 2017 5:08pm
- Digmen1
  
  And the council “engineers” who gave the building a green sticker after the first earthquake.
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:57pm
Ross12

I think I’ll BS on this excuse from NZ First for going forward with their election policy on the Rodney district. I suspect it is case of –that looks like too much work.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11950541
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November 30, 2017 5:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another flip-flop
the bottle-water tax.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/government-warned-tax-on-bottled-water-exports-could-breach-trade-agreements.html
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November 30, 2017 6:18pm
- Ross12
  
  Maggy
  
  Here is more coverage of the issue. The attitude of Parker and Peters, in particular, is both arrogant and naive.
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/345107/nz-could-not-apply-water-tax-diplomat
  
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  November 30, 2017 7:14pm
- Digmen1
  
  What an arrogant, self centred, piece of work.
  
  They made it a promise! it was in the COL.
  Now it’s an aspiration or a goal.
  
  Why not just admit that “we stuffed up”
  
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  November 30, 2017 10:03pm
rangitoto

Dollar down. Local Gull station over $2/l first time for quite a while, business confidence plummeting, while other countries doing ok. I can’t quite put my finger on the problem. Any ideas?
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November 30, 2017 6:49pm
- krazykiwi
  
  It’s John Key’s fault
  
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  November 30, 2017 7:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Same problem here in Gizzy….
  
  91 Petrol $1.96 on the way to town for lunch…
  had risen to $2.06 1hr later as we returned home.
  
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  November 30, 2017 7:17pm
nasska

Meghan: “Dinner’s ready!”

Harry: “KFC again?”
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November 30, 2017 7:05pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jnK9QX5F50

“I used to put genocidaires and war criminals on trial” Golriz Ghahram.”

Golriz spinning away to the NZ public.
A slightly concerned Green’s leader in the background.
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November 30, 2017 7:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You forgot to add her Giggle at the end of the sentence.
  
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  November 30, 2017 7:19pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    ha!
    
    Great find Maggy.
    
    Golriz is the gift that keeps on giving.
    
    Poor thing must be going through a dreadful time, what with her cred blown to pieces.
    
    If you’re gonna virtue signal till the cows come home, make it known that you want to quadruple the intake of refugees, eps. from the middle east and africa in light of the problems Europe is facing and bitch about NZ and how awful it is expect some scrutiny/heat.
    
    If ya can’t stand the heat…get out of the kitchen.
    
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    November 30, 2017 7:22pm
    - RF
      
      Guess you could say … her goose is cooked……
      
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      November 30, 2017 7:40pm
    - SPC
      
      Quite, this is part of the attack on the government for the intake of refugees. Which is why National will keep it at arms length to keep its own hands clean. So DirtyPolitics.
      
      IwiKiwi, Moslem refugees Trumpism.
      
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      November 30, 2017 8:47pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Hat tip Maggy
  
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  November 30, 2017 7:23pm
Tauhei Notts

When your very good friends turn against you, there is trouble ahead. From the Noted website I read the Listener article about Jacinda and the Australian problem in Papua New Guinea; Manus (spelling?) Island.
What astounded me was a Listener article critical of the anointed one. This is incredible.
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November 30, 2017 7:54pm
- nasska
  
  ….”a Listener article critical of the anointed one.”…..
  
  The vultures are circling…..the end is near.
  
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  November 30, 2017 8:00pm
  - SPC
    
    You believe that Father Christmas will give you righties the present that you want. That is so sweet, have you asked God for help yet?
    
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    November 30, 2017 8:27pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      You are the ones that believe in fifty different genders.
      
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      November 30, 2017 8:29pm
    - nasska
      
      Me????? God????? 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2017 8:31pm
sooty

The wheels on the bus go round and round!
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November 30, 2017 8:22pm
realityczech

Here are the shocking photos of the Manawatu Gorge slips !

Its a mess alright. Could take 2 or 3 days to fix.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/99403335/new-manawat-gorge-footage-shows-extent-of-damage-to-the-highway
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November 30, 2017 9:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A woman’s work is never done…
and we’ve got the biceps to prove it.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/nov/29/prehistoric-womens-arms-stronger-than-those-of-todays-elite-rowers
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November 30, 2017 9:45pm
- realityczech
  
  Yawn, what were their tits like ?
  
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  November 30, 2017 9:50pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Great (but deadly)
    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/tetrapod-zoology/great-tits-still-flesh-rending-predators/
    
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    November 30, 2017 9:59pm
    - MH
      
      once you get a bunch of Viking sheilas in line abreast there’s no stopping them. Oarsome sight.
      
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      December 1, 2017 1:02pm
Digmen1

Yes as Ragitito above said

Business confidence at its lowest in 8 years

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99402320/business-sector-most-downbeat-since-early-2009-anz-survey

And Labour has not done much yet! Wait till their policies kick in.
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November 30, 2017 10:11pm
Manolo

A heartfelt sorry, no doubt:
https://pagesix.com/2017/11/30/matt-lauer-breaks-silence-i-am-truly-sorry/
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