General Debate 29 January 2019

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Manolo

The army will have the final word:
https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/venezuelans-hand-message-of-amnesty-as-maduro-speaks-from-fort

Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido has so far failed to sway the armed forces to his side as he calls for elections that could unseat strongman President Nicolas Maduro.
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January 29, 2019 8:02am
- Viking2
  
  Wouldn’t be the first time generals got executed by their volunteer army who will object to shooting their families and friends.
  
  They will have to remove the Cubans as well.
  
  Not over by a long way.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:10am
  - Jack5
    
    Resource-rich Venezuela’s economic dive is traced in an interesting article by Michael Reddell at his blog, Croaking Cassandra:
    
    https://croakingcassandra.com/
    
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    January 29, 2019 11:14am
  - MH
    
    the army is more interested in developing a tunneling Division.
    
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    January 29, 2019 1:38pm
skyblue

The Fat Controller aka Robbo has not ruled out CGT at 33%.
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January 29, 2019 8:03am
- BananaLlama
  
  NZF will vote for it as well since they are Junior to the Greens.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:09am
  - sooty
    
    Sullen Cullens “Dead Granny Tax”
    
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    January 29, 2019 8:25am
  - cmm
    
    Does NZF realise that CGT also applies to pretty horses and stud farms?
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:38am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Not obvious that NZF will vote for it.
    In fact I imagine it will suit Labour if they don’t. Labour can say to their left wing supporters they tried their best, but just couldn’t do it. Same applies to NZF, they can say they stopped CGT.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:57am
    - srylands
      
      Since NZF signed up to the UN migration pact, I think it is a waste of time trying to predict what NZF will and will not support.
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:15am
      - Tall Man
        
        Check the baubles on offer…..
        
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        January 29, 2019 10:55am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Unless winnie sells his soul by trading CGT for some other feel good, useless policy, designed to get him elected again.
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:18am
    - Liberty
      
      If the 2% of deluded votes hadn’t voted for NZF .
      CGT proposal would not have seen daylight.
      And Sir Rich Prick would have missed out on his junket committee.
      
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      January 29, 2019 11:39am
- Harkman
  
  While none of us want a tax introduced, the interesting thing is that I guarantee that if they introduce these pie in the sky schemes, the economy would collapse and for a generation any talk of increasing taxes will be met with, “Oh but that collapsed the economy last time. Don’t you remember Ardern and Robertson’s mess?”
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:08am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s the total tax take that counts. The continuing reviews of the taxation system should be welcomed.
    
    The tax system make-up can steer economic directions. Reasons why NZ should be considering how we raise our taxes include these indicators of, or contributors to, our flat economy:
    
    – GDP per capita only 48th in the world (Australia 28th) and now flat, and possible about to begin falling.
    
    – Decades of balance-of-payments deficits;
    
    – Dismal performance in productivity;
    
    – Continued narrow economic dependence on natural resources – agriculture, tourism, horticulture, forestry, fishing.
    
    – Failure to broaden from commodity industry – forest output exported as raw logs, dairy industry stuck largely as a commodity supplier, regression in a typical farm industry, wool, as its basic processing like scouring shrinks or dies and manufacturing of wool products shrinks.
    
    – Increasing reliance on cheap labour, with low-wage, low-skill workers, temporary and permanent, imported.
    
    – Failure to grow a New Zealand-owned finance sector. Our banking industry is largely Australian owned, or even owned by foreign co-ops like Rabobank, and our national sharemarket is tiny and nearly stagnant.
    
    Fix the bloody economy, including the tax system.
    
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    January 29, 2019 10:31am
    - Tall Man
      
      “The great irony for Friedman’s (Milton Friedman) fans is that the one piece of public policy he was responsible for that was widely and internationally adopted was one that greatly increased the ability of central governments to collect taxes – a policy he later repudiated in disgust.”
      
      We don’t need more welfare so we don’t need more taxes.
      
      We don’t need more public servants (tax collectors) so we don’t need more taxes.
      
      We don’t need to send money to the UN, Pacific Islands, Climate Change lobbyists, Clinton Foundation so we don’t need more taxes.
      
      We need better education and outcomes, get rid of the union.
      
      We need less interference in our daily lives and businesses which would not be necessary if our population is educated.
      
      We would need less welfare if our population was better educated.
      
      We would need less imported skilled and unskilled workers if our population was better educated.
      
      FFS, how hard is it for a government, any government to see that.
      
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      January 29, 2019 11:02am
    - Viking2
      
      It’s the total tax take that counts.
      
      That is a lie.
      
      For its the total spend that matters. So when you spend more than you earn(tax) you need to raise the taxes more.
      Stop wasteful spending.
      
      Its ain’t that hard.
      
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      January 29, 2019 3:05pm
      - Jack5
        
        A lie? To lie requires intention to deceive. Not guilty.
        
        Viking 2, please elaborate how cutting “wasteful spending” alone could transform the economy.
        
        And how, and who, would define, or agree on, “wasteful spending”. Five political parties, and there would likely be five views, I suspect.
        
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        January 29, 2019 4:13pm
      - Viking2
        
        Jack5
        If I couldn’t go through a list of Govt. departments and quangos and trim half of them out of existence then I would be very surprised.
        If I couldn’t cut out billions in subsidies for a bunch of others I would be surprised.
        
        And that’s the problem.
        Both mobs of pollies add all these but when did you see any closed?
        When did you see any subsidies cut?
        Last time was Roger Douglas and its time we did it again.
        When did you see either mob and its sycophants make an effort to remove the restrictions on people.
        
        The State directly consumes and spends about 40% of our GDP plus their other partners consume a shit load more although it is not accounted for under their budget.
        
        i could continue on but its tiring having to explain all this to so called educated people.
        
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        January 29, 2019 7:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        If you recall the 80s, it was Geoffrey Palmer who embarked on the ‘great quango hunt’. I am tempted to make a small comparative study of the raw number of government entities between 1984 and 2014.
        
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        January 29, 2019 8:06pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Biggest isssue is how they frame up “tax neutral” which to the CoL is the total tax take being close to neutral and basically means higher earning productive tax payers are going to get royally fucked over as tax relief will all go to existing negative tax contributors.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:23am
  - cmm
    
    Easy:
    * YOU pay more tax.
    * PriNZess burns more tax.
    
    Yin-Yang = Neutral.
    
    #MustIThinkOfEverything?
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:40am
  - KevOB
    
    Who has any expectations of a new tax imposed by the COL as being neutral?
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:41am
  - Chris R
    
    They’ll frame it up to suit themselves. The term “tax neutral” is a ridiculous term as it simply means altering the method of tax exploitation of citizens rather than it being truly “neutral.” Neutrality in this context would be consumption taxes only as the taxpayer can control how much he/she spends and hence his/her tax liabilities.
    
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    January 29, 2019 10:13am
    - sooty
      
      All you have to do is ask “why change”.
      Because they can see a way to increase the tax take.
      Cullen will wet his panties if he can pull this off!
      
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      January 29, 2019 11:37am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Panties”….”pull off”….
        
        He needs to speak with ardern the liar.
        
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        January 29, 2019 12:46pm
  - Nermal
    
    If you think this government keeps its promises I have 1000 kiwibuild homes for you
    
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    January 29, 2019 2:43pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Labour = CUNTS
  
  Hopefully this little bit of policy will destroy them.
  
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  January 29, 2019 6:34pm
  - Viking2
    
    Socialists = CUNTS. Both brands.
    
    Fixed that for you.
    
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    January 29, 2019 7:40pm
- BrownSnake
  
  Bend Over NZ
  
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  June 29, 2019 7:54pm
Sofia

If you can not fight cheaper fast foods by lowering GST on fruit and vegetables, because it is too complicated and difficult, how can you raise GST on red meat to supposedly ease obesity and oblige the religion of global warming?

And, similarly, if you lower the MMP Party Vote thresh-hold to match New Zealand First and the Greens’ dropping popularity, will it also enable a possible new “Teal” Green/National party through the blocks?
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January 29, 2019 8:03am
- Pascal
  
  A Teal Party will pillage votes off National, not the Greens. National has a reasonable enough environmental policy that they would still be preferred over the hardcore authoritarian and communist policies of the Greens.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:06am
  - MCos
    
    At the last election if the Greens had suddenly gone out of existence I would suggest pretty much all of their voters would have either gone with Labour, stayed home or voted for one of the fringe parties which adds up to the same thing.
    
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    January 29, 2019 8:35am
  - Viking2
    
    Have they?
    Have the committed to reinstating the oil and gas exploration?
    
    Cowards all.
    
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    January 29, 2019 7:41pm
- Paulus
  
  Having been on original GST Committes any change is fraught with anomalies and danger.
  Leave it alone but put it up to 17.5% – that will smooth the tax take.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:28am
  - Liberty
    
    At 17.5% it would also smooth the way out the back door for a number of small businesses.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:13am
    - Tall Man
      
      I am a small business and I don’t agree.
      
      We only pay the gst to the government on what we collect less the gst for the expenses we incur.
      
      A decent accountant can “defer” gst payments on many manufactured or created and unsold items but ultimately the tax balances out over time.
      
      We are net payers of gst as we collect vastly more than we can offset and some months it used to be a pita paying out on receipts before we were able to debit out the costs but creative accounting has solved that plus our cash flow easily supports those months.
      
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      January 29, 2019 12:52pm
      - GJM
        
        Yes you can claim back GST as a a business – unless of course you are an evil, residential landlord, where you cannot claim GST back as it is not charged on rentals. It makes a significant difference to the expenses section of the P&L. Another reason not to be a residential landlord
        
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        January 29, 2019 6:39pm
      - Viking2
        
        Rubbish
        Its a neutral for most trading businesses.
        20% would be good and get rid of income tax for those under 50K
        
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        January 29, 2019 7:49pm
- peterwn
  
  If there have to be incentives and disincentives then far better to have subsidies and duties on the items of concern outside the GST framework.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:03am
  - Liberty
    
    “far better to have subsidies”
    
    What a blasphemous statement.
    
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    January 29, 2019 10:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    I certainly think we need something to stop the proliferation of $2 shops selling trucklads of useless shit.
    
    I wanted to import a still but lo and behold, there is a tariff. The price plus freight plus inspection plus tariff brought the item price to about $50 less than the same product sold locally.
    
    Now I did try to buy the product from a manufacturer in Oz but again, tarifs and they refuse to “sell” as a local importer has the license. The margin is outrageous.
    
    So, off to Amazon or Aliexpress while they still agree to sell to us in NZ.
    
    I have ignored the gst component as that is charged regardless of where I buy the still.
    
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    January 29, 2019 1:00pm
- Tall Man
  
  Was having lunch on Friday, roast duck with rice and greens..yummy as well.
  
  A large indigenous person came into the restaurant (Chinese restaurant so probably a front for the communist party) and asked for a quarter of a duck to take away. Then her two children turned up so she asked the price for a half duck, $35 so not cheap considering a whole duck is around $24 at my local supermarket, so she ordered the half duck.
  
  While waiting for the duck one of her children saw the ducks hanging up in the glass case and asked why they couldn’t do that to their ducks at home…
  
  The answer…”Eww yuck”.
  
  So, $35 for a half duck…no poverdee then
  
  Too lazy to cook a duck….no poverdee then
  
  Next day we went fishing and caught 2 days worth of meals for the four of us so I guess I must be really poor.
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    Come on down ticker, own up and make a comment.
    
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    January 29, 2019 1:51pm
JIV

Why are we trying to plant trees again? Is it to save the planet? Interesting read on JoNova

“All this time we’ve been pouring money into planting trees and stealing land from farmers because we were sure that trees would cool the world. (Just like solar panels do, yeah?) But life is so complicated — for years now some researchers have been quietly wondering if more trees were actually going to warm the planet instead, but they didn’t want to say much. It turns out that while trees absorb the sacred CO2 (that’s cooling!) they also emit methane (that’s warming!), and terpenes (cooling) and isoprene (warming and cooling!) If that’s not complicated enough, then there is the albedo effect. Trees are dark, they absorb more sunlight than bare ground and snow. So depending on where they are planted, that makes for “warming”. Then some VOCs or volatile organic compounds also seed clouds.

So what’s the net effect? Who knows, it’s not like there are whole industries dependent on it…”
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January 29, 2019 8:03am
- niggly
  
  But but but the Gweens (& F&B & Greenpeace etc) want to turn NZ back 200+ years in time when there was no industry, no cars, no cows and no felling of trees to provide productive farmland, by of course converting more of these areas into forests again.
  
  Will the Greens/F&B/GP issue a statement saying that the “science is settled”, and the above reporting is “fake news” and finally “cows are bad, trees are good”?
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:29am
  - cmm
    
    If the science is settled, why do the Greens want to funnel more money into research?
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:42am
    - Viking2
      
      Have to find out how to cover up all that methane that is being expelled form a coal mine in the bush. Lots of it as well.
      
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      January 29, 2019 7:47pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Hmm, would whiter cows be less warming?
    
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    January 29, 2019 2:26pm
- KevOB
  
  When the cows and sheep are gone what else is there to fill in the land? Can get carbon credits as well.
  Is that to be the new green farming?
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:44am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Is that to be the new green farming?’
    
    There is a new green farming , it’s called milking tax payers.
    
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    January 29, 2019 10:08am
- Chris R
  
  The fundamental problem with tree farming is you only get paid once every 27 years…cashflow difficulties?
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:16am
  - sooty
    
    Don’t tell Shane!
    
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    January 29, 2019 11:39am
  - KevOB
    
    Carbon credits.
    
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    January 29, 2019 2:25pm
AgainstTheFlow

Ministery of Health officials continue to back a sugar tax despite the Government ruling it out and the independent evidence pointing out its flaws.

Story in the NZ Herald today covers the public health tactics.
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January 29, 2019 8:04am
Salacious Crumb

Is this the start of the pushback?

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/381158/west-coast-council-rejects-government-climate-change-bill

This could be very damaging for the government if they are forced to prove beyond doubt that computer models and intermittent weather events constitute proof that humans have an influence on climate.
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January 29, 2019 8:05am
- Happychappy
  
  West Coasters change their minds like most people change their underwear so I doubt their stand will worry the Government. What really has Labour ever done for the West Coast apart from when the Labour Party was first formed and they still return to that happening when things turn sour for them when in Government.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:29am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The West Coasters are experts at extracting extra money from all governments for not logging, not mining, Pike River, etc, etc. This is just another scam to get extra taxpayers’ dosh for this tiny sector of the population.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:27am
    - Happychappy
      
      Thank MM that is actually fact and they are experts at it. Couldn’t put better myself.
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:47am
    - Chris R
      
      It is not a scam, the monies paid to West Coasters represents compensation for the destruction of the industries which have been their life-blood for well over a century. I say good luck to them as they stand about watching mining being destroyed for idiotic reasons.
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:18am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      In the same way that one shouldn’t condemn all Muslims just because every 3rd muslim supports terrorism – one should not condemn all Coasters together, just because 70% of them have their hands out all the time.
      
      Oh wait! Silly me, I forgot – it’s OK when the left do it!
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:52am
    - Liberty
      
      Pike River has more to do with appeasing dwindling supporters.
      Spending 40 million to release evil methane into the atmosphere.
      While Dear Leader attended yet another greenhouse junket.
      
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      January 29, 2019 11:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      Yep, they’re the experts although it seems the wynston led coalition is learning from them but hey, you’re happy supportig a liar and a thief so everything’s ok isn’t it.
      
      What sort of person follows a proven liar?
      
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      January 29, 2019 11:16am
      - sooty
        
        A leftie! Just look at the makeup of Labour!
        None of them have ever stopped lying!
        
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        January 29, 2019 11:43am
- KevOB
  
  10 Ticks for the West Coast Regional Council.
  Show us the proof before the money is demanded.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:46am
- freethinker
  
  As planet earth has experienced hot periods and Ice ages the common factor is the Sun and its energy output given there were no Coal Fired Power Stations of Cars at the time.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:38am
- kiwiBuzz
  
  A group of us formally asked the Royal Society of New Zealand for scientifically convincing evidence that man-made greenhouse gases cause dangerous global warming.
  
  They were unable to do so. After we put some pressure on, they asked Prof James Renwick and he too was unable to provide the evidence. Both referred us to the IPCC reports – without identifying any section that could be claimed to provide the evidence. Close study of the reports shows that there are major uncertainties in many of the key factors associated with predictions of global warming.
  
  It would appear that the evidence does not exist and dangerous man-made global warming is the biggest hoax in the history of the world.
  
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  January 29, 2019 6:46pm
secondcumming

“LIVES & LIVELIHOODS AT RISK”

Shonky builders and developers abound in the Australian apartment market…….could the same thing be happening here?

*A CURRENT AFFAIR* investigates……

https://twitter.com/AupolNews/status/1089270514395299840
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January 29, 2019 8:07am
- peterwn
  
  Because of need for earthquake resistance and because of the leaky homes episode, building regulation in NZ is now very stringent, perhaps over stringent. So it is not so likely to be a significant problem in NZ. Some NZ apartment purchasers have previously had similar issues with leaky apartments and unfortunately have lost some money to the extent that claims against councils have not succeeded.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:40am
  - GJM
    
    After 20 years in construction and design, there are still plenty of rubbish apartments being built, many with overseas money (and labour) and many have fire issues. The reasons are the same as the leakers – poor construction and oversight and a complete inability to give a damn.
    The building defects lawyers won’t be getting poor any time soon.
    
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    January 29, 2019 6:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  Jeez, no real estate issues or we’ll get 70 odd posts from hugh that are really odd.
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:18am
Chuck Bird

After writing to the Solicitor General for this appalling sentence to be appealed I was very angry to see this article justifying the sentence. Judges take an oath to administer the law without fear, favour or prejudice. I find it hard to believe if the offender was not from a professional background the sentence would be the same.

It seems the judge identified with the offender as a fellow professional and decided he did not want him to send him to jail and went about rationalizing his decision and made the discounts under two years so he could qualify for home detention.

During sentencing on Friday, Judge Harrop said Hannis, previously a highly-regarded member of the media industry and a respected academic, had suffered a “very substantial fall from grace”.

The word suffered makes me want to puke. He makes this evil man sound like he is some kind of victim.

Why the judge gave journalism lecturer Grant Hannis home detention for sexually abusing elderly woman

Sensible Sentencing Trust’s Jess McVicar said discounts were being handed out like rewards.

“The discounts we have seen in sentencing over the last year are appalling, we have a trial where the judge says the offending is unbelievable and then gives discounts,” she said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12197412
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January 29, 2019 8:08am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  The bearded git was right. The justice system IS broken.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:11am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep,
    
    ‘A top student who attacked two bouncers and kicked a police officer during a boozy night out has evaded conviction so she can go to medical school.
    Venus Carnation Callan’
    
    Venus Carnation ?
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/student-avoids-conviction
    
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    January 29, 2019 8:28am
    - dubya
      
      The mention of a scholarship and the stupid name would indicate she is a Special Person.
      
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      January 29, 2019 8:32am
      - Sacha
        
        Odds on she won’t get past her pre-med year.
        
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        January 29, 2019 2:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        Venus plays rugby and volleyball, and goes tramping with her church group. She’s got a nice smile, and with a little bit of luck she’ll learn from this outburst.
        
        Who didn’t kick over the traces in their youth? The quietest of us, and sometimes the most religious of us, were the most outrageous in their cups.
        
        However, Venus may be lucky she wasn’t tasered. A few of our cops are taser-trigger happy. Do NZ police ever taser females?
        
        http://www.firstfoundation.org.nz/scholarship-student/venus-callan
        
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        January 29, 2019 4:29pm
    - Jules99
      
      That name is going to come up in a Google search in years to come.
      
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      January 29, 2019 8:34am
      - dubya
        
        I’m sure Jacinduh brought it up during her meeting with Google, FFS
        
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        January 29, 2019 9:05am
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      She got a scholarship from a place called “First Foundation” and here are it’s criteria to be allowed to suck from the trough:
      First in family, i.e. this means that you have to be first in your immediate family to attend University (75%)
      Maori and Pacific (75%)
      Currently enrolled at Year 12 (95%)
      Overall NCEA Excellence endorsement
      Passed all NCEA external assessments
      Leadership and community involvement
      Willingness to be a part of a mentor relationship
      Proven positive and hardworking work ethic
      Ability to manage multiple responsibilities whilst maintaining high academic grades.
      
      So pretty much Whites, Indians ,Chinese and all other undesirables need not apply because you have fuck all chance of getting one.
      Remember though this is not racist as it’s “affirmative action” and that is different we are told.
      
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      January 29, 2019 11:02am
    - Tall Man
      
      I guess the staff at the university are too dumb to work out that she did it but got a free pass.
      
      What is more relevant, that she was not convicted or that she committed the crime?
      
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      January 29, 2019 11:21am
    - nz_aj
      
      With behaviour like that I’d hope the university would be asking some pretty tough questions during the med school interview. I can’t think of any explanation sufficient to allow her entry
      
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      January 29, 2019 12:22pm
      - MH
        
        but it will give her experience in the ER or casualty wards if she can make the grades.
        
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        January 29, 2019 1:52pm
      - peterwn
        
        The issue is whether the Medical Council would register her if she completes a medical degree. Obviously there is no sense in a medical school accepting a student if the student is unable to obtain registration on graduation. Medical schools probably check marginal cases with the Medical Council. Also students in their final three years (especially sixth year) have contact with patients so must be potentially suitable for registration.
        
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        January 29, 2019 7:22pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes through Andrew Little, when you keep on repeating our jails are full and we need to find another way of course Judges will down grade the punishment. As long as they are the Government people including Judges will do what they ask or be moved on, you only have to look at what happened to the Kiwibiuld boss to realize that.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:54am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Happy, I agree with you that some judges will be influenced by Little and Cindy. However, under our system judges cannot be moved on. I wish they could be but not by the politicians.
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:19am
      - Tall Man
        
        Possibly but they can certainly be sidelined.
        
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        January 29, 2019 11:22am
- calendar girl
  
  Good summary, Chuck Bird.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:30am
- KevOB
  
  A crude justice may have been done. The convicted has been utterly ruined. How much more should be piled on top?
  We have Courts so we don’t have street lynchings. Sentencing is not by referendum.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:50am
  - toby1845
    
    Sorry, Kev. I accidentally upticked you.
    
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    January 29, 2019 12:45pm
- peterwn
  
  When thinking about it, I consider the sentencing is appropriate in this case except that a five figure fine or compensation should be imposed too. The issues as I see it are:
  1. Is he likely to re-offend? In this case extremely unlikely.
  2. Is the sentence likely to deter others offending in similar circumstances? The total outcome – home detention, associated publicity, named on the sexual offenders register and loss of his job seems sufficient deterrence. It is doubtful that a prison term would effectively deter one more person from committing a similar crime in the future, compared with the penalty package he received.
  3. Is denunciation adequate? The sentencing package provides sufficient denunciation to meet Sentencing Act needs. It is probably inadequate to meet the feelings of the populous, especially if feelings have been inflamed by publicity, influencers, etc. However this is inadequate reason on its own to warrant a prison sentence.
  In summary, are there positive reasons rather than negative reasons to send him to prison?
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:25am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Peter, I believe that the law must be administered, without fear, favour or prejudice. That means the same sentence should apply regardless of race, sex or social standing. It is clear this does not apply in regards sex. To many including me, this does not apply to social standing.
    
    There are far too many cases where the well connected or their offspring in many cases more leniently. This is a shocking example.
    
    We do not even know if the judge and this low life belonged to the same golf club.
    
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    January 29, 2019 10:42am
    - peterwn
      
      As far as I can see, this sentencing was fully in accordance of the Law ie the Sentencing Act.
      
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      January 29, 2019 11:11am
      - alex Masterley
        
        When I read the report on how the sentencing decision was reached i concluded, on the information provided that the requirements of the sentencing act had been satisfied.
        And as far as I can tell the offender doesn’t play golf.
        
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        January 29, 2019 11:22am
      - sooty
        
        But was he a member of the Labour party, before the crime?
        They do have form, wood’n you know!
        
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        January 29, 2019 11:48am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Peter, was the sentencing fully in accordance or the judicial oath?
        
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        January 29, 2019 12:11pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Alex, if that is correct then the Sentencing Act needs to be changed as well as plea bargaining.
        
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        January 29, 2019 12:23pm
      - peterwn
        
        If a judge complies with the law, there is no breach of the Judicial Oath. It would be most inappropriate if a Judicial Oath took precedence over legislation, common law or the Bill of Rights 1688 (which is part of NZ law). Anyway the proper channel for sentencing concerns is by lodging an appeal, not by a complaint to the Judicial Conduct Commissioner.
        
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        January 29, 2019 1:05pm
    - peterwn
      
      ‘belonged to the same golf club’.
      There was a claim in Taranaki years ago that some farmers who defrauded the dairy company and the magistrate belonged to the same religious sect. This was because the farmers were fined $1000 each (worth $10000+ today) rather than being sent to jail (home detention and other community sentences were not available then). The company refused to take their milk meaning they had to dump their milk for a few days until an urgent auction of the herds could be arranged. Coming to think of it now, I doubt the farmers ever reoffended and the total outcomes were sufficiently dire for the offenders that there would have been very few dairy frauds since.
      So the sentence was appropriate and the rumour about belonging to the same religious sect did not gain any real traction.
      
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      January 29, 2019 12:02pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Peter, I am not saying the judge was a friend of this scumbag but he could have been and he would have been under no legal obligation to declare the fact.
        
        Little is right about the justice system not working but for the wrong reasons.
        
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        January 29, 2019 12:15pm
  - peterwn
    
    I forgot to mention it – the sentencing outcome would also have included a ‘First Strike’ warning which will provide the offender with an even bigger incentive to keep his nose clean in the future.
    
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    January 29, 2019 11:46am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      What if he had another sexual emergency?
      
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      January 29, 2019 12:32pm
      - peterwn
        
        He will most probably resolve it another way rather than risk a second strike custodial sentence.
        
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        January 29, 2019 1:08pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        “He will most probably resolve it another way rather than risk a second strike custodial sentence.”
        
        Do you believe deterrents work or not? You seem to think a jail sentence for this POS will not deter others but the fear of a jail sentence jail sentence will deter him.
        
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        January 29, 2019 1:16pm
    - DigNap15
      
      The guy is a sicko.
      He will be laughed at where ever he goes!
      Who in their right mind would sexual assault an 80 year old lady.
      Especially one with dementia
      
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      January 29, 2019 4:07pm
    - Viking2
      
      Its worth noting that today in one of the papers it is reported that there were complaints from women students to Massey top brass about his behavoir towards said Ladies.
      
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      January 29, 2019 8:15pm
  - KevOB
    
    The offender may have sentenced himself to much worse than a Court could impose. He’s going to be a total outcast. A very rare situation.
    
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    January 29, 2019 2:40pm
holysheet

It was Postman Pat’s last day on the job after 35 years. When he arrived at the first house, he was met by the family, who all hugged and congratulated him and sent him on his way with a gift cheque for $50. At the second house they presented him an 18-carat gold watch The folks at the third house handed him a bottle of 15-year old Scotch whiskey At the fourth house he was met at the door by a dumb blonde in her lingerie She took him by the arm and led him up the stairs to the bedroom where she gave him the most passionate love he had ever experienced. When he had had enough they went downstairs, where she poured him a cup of steaming coffee. As she was pouring, he noticed a $5 note sticking out from under the cups bottom edge. “All this was just too wonderful for words,” he said, “but what’s the five dollars for?” “Well,” said the dumb blonde, “last night, I told my husband that today would be your last day and that we should do something special for you”. “I asked him what to give you”. He said “Fuck him. Give him a fiver”.
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January 29, 2019 8:08am
- Tall Man
  
  Who the fuck would downtick that?
  
  He said “dumb blonde” not ardern the liar…
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:26am
  - sooty
    
    Does she dye her hair?
    
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    January 29, 2019 11:50am
    - Tall Man
      
      Good point.
      
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      January 29, 2019 12:44pm
    - Nermal
      
      Artificial Intelligence
      
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      January 29, 2019 2:48pm
cas

I know people will say don’t bother watching TV news anymore, but I must say that when TV 3 last night has Mike Joy, Boyd Swinburne and all sorts of digs at climate change all the way through, plus doesn’t mention the cyclists I would have to agree
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January 29, 2019 8:14am
Viking2

You think the Nats are for enterprise and raising standards!
Well not according to Nikki Kaye.
She is happy to have education remain a union infested swamp.

National’s Education Spokesperson, Nikki Kaye, was also vehemently opposed to performance pay.

“I’ve had a lot of feedback from teachers across the country. They quite like ACT’s policy in terms of paying teachers more, but we don’t support performance pay,” she said.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/01/act-calls-for-performance-pay-to-combat-mass-teacher-vacancies.html?fbclid=IwAR2jCAgasjBr_FD7cqPe7UZm9RSiRc8MxjT0Jvt_rT7o0y7pRjlpKKy3N18

time for Simon to root out the socialists in his lot.
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January 29, 2019 8:14am
- Manolo
  
  NK has always been a very weak link, one of the many that are part of the National Party.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:17am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  The sad reality is that today’s National Party sits exactly in the position left of centre that Clarke’s Labour government held. Maybe even more left.
  
  Time the National Party woke up and stood for something.
  
  As has been said before; being less shit that Labour doesn’t make for good government.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:18am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Never fails to amaze me how so many people on this forum still vehemently wave the flag for the National Party as though they still really represent the values of the right in New Zealand.
    National is a pathetic cowered version of it’s former self, frightened to be different in case it offends someone and completely subservient to the new global religion of multiculturalism and diversity.
    Sooner they disappear like the other parties currently in govt in NZ the better and maybe out of this will rise a new party which can think independently and form policies which are actually good for New Zealanders instead of just sucking up to the UN and pandering to do gooders.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:33am
    - MCos
      
      I listened to a Kiwi woman on the wireless yesterday who lives in Washington DC.
      She was talking about the American political situation and opined that our entire spectrum including ACT would fit within the Democrat domain.
      She also said that many people in the US didn’t even know about the government shutdown.
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:45am
    - Viking2
      
      Talking of Nat. values here is their aspiration. Apparently.
      
      The National Party has always valued enterprise, hard work and the rewards that go with success. We will continue to aspire to a New Zealand where all New Zealanders can flourish.
      
      We believe this will be achieved by building a society based on the following values:
      
      Loyalty to our country, its democratic principles, and our Sovereign as Head of State
      National and personal security
      Equal citizenship and equal opportunity
      Individual freedom and choice
      Personal Responsibility
      Competitive enterprise and reward for achievement
      Limited government
      Strong families and caring communities
      Sustainable development of our environment
      
      https://www.national.org.nz/our-values
      
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      January 29, 2019 8:19pm
- Jules99
  
  He probably needs to call it something different than ‘performance pay’. I have some experience in this area and I have seen pay-on-results where teacher salaries are based on exam results and student feedback. Basically you get teaching to the test and potential bullying from the students/parents. Teacher’s don’t know how much they are earning from year to year which makes it hard to get mortgages. It’s a disaster. But the suggestions in that link are more reasonable. Having said that, I meet lots of teachers leaving the profession due to stress – pay is not an issue for them. And, we have loads of skilled teachers in NZ who can’t get jobs because they can’t get over the qualification/registration hurdles without completely retraining at their own expense, so they leave the profession entirely – resolving this is a potential solution to the current recruitment problems.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:27am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    No need to pay them directly based on results. Just do what happens in just about every other profession and workplace, including hospitals which are also state funded but manage to pay doctors differently based on skill level.
    
    Reward the school based on its performance (value added not just raw exam results) and let the school decide who to employ, what to pay them, what class sizes to have etc, in order to maximise performance.
    
    Enable and reward innovation instead of stifling it.
    
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    January 29, 2019 8:58am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Just like a Charter School!
      Yeah right, Not going to happen under this lot. ?
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:02am
    - Jules99
      
      Principals can decide the pay levels of teachers – the teacher only gets a pay increase if the principal decides that they have passed their annual review which includes student achievement. It’s not automatic. Low decile schools can choose to spend the extra money they get on more teachers to reduce class sizes or other resources that meet the needs of the students. They can also pay management units to teachers with extra responsibility to give them a pathway to a leadership role. Of course, all of this may disappear if the recommended hub system is imposed. I’m all for charter schools, but don’t assume there is no flexibility for principals in the current system. In my opinion the real power lies with the MOE who force their ideology on principals, rather than the unions. Where does the MOE checklist come from? The UN.
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    Do you also think that some of the stress is caused by the fact that many are not competent and realise that very quickly.
    
    The old adage..”those that can..do, those that can’t ..teach” may have some truth do you think?
    
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    January 29, 2019 11:30am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      All the teachers I know get sick several times a year. Exposed to all the lurgies. That certainly doesn’t help, however good their teaching skills are.
      
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      January 29, 2019 2:40pm
- s.russell
  
  This is called “not buying a fight that will cost votes”.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:28am
- dime
  
  “ive spoken to teachers and they like the idea of more money”
  
  wait for next weeks
  
  “ive spoken to every employee ever and they like the idea of more money”
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:39am
- peterwn
  
  A fundamental rule – you do not pick fights unless you can win them. Remember when the Business Round Table incited the Government to put the boot into the Fire Service in the 1990’s. The result was a complete humiliating rout for the government.
  Performance pay for teachers is synominous to ‘bulk funding’. This was successfully resisted by the teachers unions. Nikki is well aware of this and hence will not promise to pick fights which her party would not win when in Government.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:31am
- Komata
  
  Viking@0814
  
  But, but, she’s his FRIEND!
  
  No chance; Simon isn’t ruuthless enough (Unfortunately).
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:41am
Maggie Pie

We should never forget the type of person that is now making decisions as to who we should allow into our wonderful country 🙁

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx4Q6cSUwAAtzXI.jpg
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January 29, 2019 8:23am
- Surely Knott
  
  Is it just me – Where is Simon Bikindi’s hand in this photo? He’s right in close and with a dropped left shoulder, hand straight down behind her. An unusual, cheeky uncomfortable smile on her face and the big smile on his? Very strange photo for work colleagues. https://www.radionz.co.nz/assets/news/133823/eight_col_Golriz.jpg?1511810515
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:44am
  - sooty
    
    She’s just the dummy!
    He’s got his hand up her arse!
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:29am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, who are they?
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:41am
  - Rev Marc Pastoral care for St Albans project Ralph
    
    Sorry Maggie, we can’t get stephie out of the mall for his counselling today. We have to put up with his ramblings – don’t take it personally, its just a mental issue for him.
    
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    January 29, 2019 10:06am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Thank you Rev Marc, but it may be that the questioner didn’t recognize them as the photo is quite old. Just for everyones clarification, the girl on the right is now our Green MP Golriz Graham and the black gentleman on the left is a Rawandan folk singer by the name of Simon Bikini, an ethnic Hootoo who was acussed of the genocide of ethnic Tootsies and found guilty of the crime.
      Surely we are judged by the company we keep?
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:53am
Yvette

Kiwibuild
… documents obtained by Newshub show that, even if KiwiBuild targets are achieved in the next few years, it won’t even scratch the surface of the shortage. In fact, the shortage of homes is actually expected to grow.

The documents show that just to accommodate population increase over the next two years, we need to build 40,000 houses a year – but it’s likely only 30,000 will be built per year.

That means even if the Government hits its target of 6,000 KiwiBuild homes over the next two years, the housing shortfall which is currently 71,000 won’t fall at all – in fact it’s expected to increase to 85,000.

If these predictions eventuate it means they’ll head into the next election not only having made no dent in the housing shortage but actually having it get worse under their watch. – https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/housing-crisis-to-worsen-despite-government-s-kiwibuild-policy.html

Head of KiwiBuild pursuing constructive dismissal case against Ministry of Housing
“Constructive dismissal” – isn’t that the whole problem with Kiwibuild?

No, in fact the issue seems to be Winston’s immigration policy.
They are ignoring it.
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January 29, 2019 8:23am
- Graham Sharpe
  
  Well at least Kiwibuild is constructing something – even if it only a dismissal.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:44am
- Prince
  
  So if you give away houses lots more people want one ?
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:15am
Paulus

Will Winston sack Twitford today ?
He is apparently Acting Prime Minster at the COLL first Cabinet meeting.
Presumable Princess Di Ardern is lying low on holiday pasting up her CV pictures scrapbook for her new job.
She is not doing the one she is paid to do.
I expect to see this year that personal pressure will erupt this year, as I hear that her staff are in trepidation of what might happen with the new appointments.
Her staff beside manner has deteriorated dramatically in the last few months.
Clarke is not helping I hear either.
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January 29, 2019 8:26am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Clarke as in “She Beast” or Clarke the Lawnmower Oficionado?
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:36am
- niggly
  
  Has Jacinda returned to NZ yet?
  
  If not, could she still be in Davos (or Norway) on a “skiing holiday” with her mentor Helen?
  
  Why not, after all Clarke & baby are safely in NZ (and Winnie holding the fort), surely these two BFF’s can have some quality time together to plan both their next (world) domination plans??!! 😉
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:37am
  - sooty
    
    Wheres the Comrade been since last term?
    She was absent, granny looking after squrriel, Jethro fishing every day.
    Wher was JacinDUH?
    
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    January 29, 2019 8:43am
  - Sacha
    
    According to MH, she was too busy preparing for her Cabinet Meeting to appear on his show this morning, because, well, yesterday was a holiday in Auckland.
    Nice to see that PMs get a Public Holiday too.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:10am
    - sooty
      
      Cabinet meetng, phooy.
      She’s off to kindy!
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:31am
- sooty
  
  Yes! Sack the idiot. How the hell could the swarmy idiot get to where he is? Anything was allways going to fail with him leading!
  Slease Gallopaway needs to be booted out the backdoor. There is the stink of corruption there!
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No, Twyford will not be sacked.
  
  Read between the lines…
  The media is starting to tell us what a bad man Stephen Barclay was
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/110212442/former-kiwibuild-boss-stephen-barclays-employment-dispute-was-triggered-by-complaints-of-bad-behavious
  Poor old Phil is battling on, under circumstances not of his own making.
  
  If Barclay was such a useless bossman, who is going to take responsibility for appointing him?
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:44am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I heard Barclay interviewed by Hosking on ZB just after 7am this morning. He sounded like a pretty reasonable bloke who has been hard done by.
    
    When Kiwibuild was brought back under MBIE, specifically under MHUD boss Andrew Crisp, all of a sudden there was an investigation launched by Crisp, based on a series of complaints from associates of Crisp. Barclay said he provided a complete written rebuttal to the allegations, but that Crisp appeared to have already made up his mind.
    
    On the basis of Barclay’s comments, I would say the taxpayer is going to have to fork out plenty of dollars to make him go quietly into the night. Think of how many houses Phil would have been able to build or buy with what’s going to be spent on legal fees and compensation for a constructive dismissal.
    
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    January 29, 2019 8:53am
    - artemisia
      
      Heh, on the basis of working in the public sector (including various housing roles) and the large corporate sector, I could write the complainant scripts.
      
      Basically, Mr Barclay is not the girl we married and anyway he’s mean. Signed – Precious Petals.
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:06am
    - brett68
      
      I had a listen to Barclay on RNZ.
      
      Crisp sounds like a typical lifer bureaucratic stiff where all i’s must be dotted and all t’s have to crossed as well as endless pointless meetings and choke the life out of you procedures.
      
      Barclay is the complete opposite so Crisp had to get get rid of him.
      
      Kiwibuild is now well and truly fucked, was this new housing ministry formation Twyfords idea? or was he talked into it by bureaucrats wanting to wrestle back control?
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:36am
      - peterwn
        
        I can see how this sort of things happen. One day I got a memo from my boss scheduling a dozen or so complaints against one of my staff. The list had been assembled during some smoko discussion by a manager who should have been known better. Some of the complaints were spurious and after discussing it with the guy’s supervisor (the guy was on leave) I wrote a memo back rebutting the complaints one by one. I also complained about the manager. It was no problem for me or the guy complained about, but in other circumstances there could have been very serious consequences.
        
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        January 29, 2019 10:45am
    - KevOB
      
      It sounds like a turf war between the Minister and the Dept. The Minister may have expected more indirect operational control than the Dept was willing to concede.
      
      Been there.
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:58am
  - Yvette
    
    If Barclay was such a useless bossman, who is going to take responsibility for appointing him?
    
    Perhaps another which-hunt like the Haumaha saga wlll reveal Winston had nothing to do with it?
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:54am
    - KevOB
      
      Barclay was likely a victim of Ministerial dreams and implied promises cutting across perceived Deptl. territory.
      A more able Government would have known those risks.
      
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      January 29, 2019 2:43pm
- Harkman
  
  My bet is that Cinderella is off getting her teeth done.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:10am
  - dubya
    
    Which vet does she go to?
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:22am
    - kevn
      
      @dubya… An equine one.
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:25am
    - G152
      
      The vet screwing Massey I’d imagine
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:45am
  - lifesgood
    
    or in therapy.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:31am
- Dave Mann
  
  He (Peters) is apparently Acting Prime Minster at the COLL first Cabinet meeting.
  
  I know this has been said before many times…. but I just have to point it out again. Bear with me.
  
  This maggot who got 7% of the party vote at the last election and now has less than 5% electoral support in the polls is the country’s deputy PM.
  
  New Zealand is truly a banana republic.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:41am
  - Jack5
    
    Good old MMP: dictatorship by minority parties.
    
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    January 29, 2019 12:14pm
oldpark

What a sad day for NZs voters. The perception that ‘Comical’ Chic Comrade Ardern was more interested in big noting at the UN and Europe.
Yes the small town twerp was intoxiacated by rubbing shoulders with Billionaires and Millionaires in Europe. Conveniently hiding the fact she was not the pick of the NZ voters as PM.
To reiterate her disdain for the people of NZ. She failed to appear on Mike Hosking morning programme. In fact sending a person fourth removed in her Government called Robertson to do her dirty work ,like not denying a proposed Capital Gain Tax of 33% on her serbs or peasants in the not too distant future. Virtually confirming that she is still in love with the socialist type of Government which she appears to agree with at present being enacted in Venezuela. Explains why NZ stance has not been against the Dictator Maduro,is completely out of line with many other Western nations.She seems to be more in line with the Commie nations China Cuba , Russia North Korea. What a bloody indictment. NZs should be afraid very afraid.
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January 29, 2019 8:35am
- MCos
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  So, let me get this straight.
  You equate the non appearance of Ardern on some two bit radio show with hyperinflation, deathsquads, rigged elections, empty supermarkets, mass emigration?
  Maybe her & some Labour Party caucus heavies are holed up somewhere giving the Minister of Housing a severe talking to!
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:53am
  - fernglas
    
    MCos, I think oldpark has made the mistake of assuming that Ardern is important.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:22am
    - MCos
      
      Never mind Mister Mike
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:48am
  - dubya
    
    The thought of pushing Ardern out of a helicopter is heartwarming, to be honest.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:29am
    - sooty
      
      Selected, not elected. The real power behind the throne is Whinney!
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:35am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Careful dubya, milky will be along to suggest you get thrown out instead. ?
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:50am
  - Tall Man
    
    Yet the diehard lefties equated Sir John Key’s hair pulling as a “serious sexual assault”.
    
    Still, I guess labour do have the “knowledge edge” on sexual assaults.
    
    Perhaps if Madura had gone into his election promising those results he may not have been elected.
    
    Perhaps if ardern the liar had entered the election stating her intentions clearly she may also have not been “selected”.
    
    Perhaps if wynston the thief had also explained to the voters he was actually on a “bauble” hunt with no intention of following though with any of his election promises to the public..but honouring all his promises to his back room funders… he may not have been elected.
    
    But hey, there are still enough thickos keen to support a liar and a thief as well as a confused jimmy 2 mums as we see here on a daily basis.
    
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    January 29, 2019 10:46am
  - Viking2
    
    A spanking perhaps. Its not camp time again is it?
    
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    January 29, 2019 8:29pm
simonway

I noticed in this post from the other day about ideas for electoral reform, DPF endorsed Nick Smith’s proposal to entrench the waka-jumping law, so that it couldn’t be repealed except by a 75% vote. But nobody in the comments really mentioned this aspect. So I thought I would discuss it here.

Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to entrench the waka-jumping law? It seems to me that, if that happened, the only way to repeal it would be if National and Labour both agreed. It was a little strange to see DPF supporting entrenchment for it, because he has been such a vocal opponent of it in the past, and I would have assumed that he would support a straight repeal (by a new National government, presumably — whether Labour agreed or not).
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January 29, 2019 8:35am
- peterwn
  
  If a law is to be entrenched, it has to be passed by the majority that would be required to amend or repeal it. A 75% majority effectively required consensus between the two major political parties. Currently there seems to be little political mood to entrench anything.
  Interesting in UK the left would like to try and entrench the BBC against potential Tory interference and there was a suggestion in NZ from educationalists that the education system should be entrenched against the whims of future governments.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:54am
- Tall Man
  
  I for one remember the frustration in the past when an MP decided the grass was greener across the border. I would support legislation that required an electorate MP to face a by election as they are there at the behest of their electorate.
  
  As far as I am concerned if a list MP decides to jump ship then fuckem, out they go.
  
  Now, if an MP raises concerns on a matter, any matter within their caucas and earns the ire of their leader, I do not see that as waka jumping as long as the stand they are taking is within the parameters of their election manifesto.
  
  For example, wynston the thief made the removal of the maori seats a “bottom line” tenent of their election manifesto. His instant dismissal of that should have repercussions so I believe that some form of electoral recall should be inplace, for any party that reneges on something that gained them em=nough votes to end up n control of ur country.
  
  If his mps had any integrity they would have stood their ground and tossed the little fucker out.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:37am
sooty

See Barry Soper, reckons that Comrade JacinDUH was selected not elected in the deadtree news.
The frowny face will be pointed at him!
Did he miss out on a shopping trip to Harrods?
Is the Comrade home, because they reckon she passed on a radio interview. Too busy!
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January 29, 2019 8:35am
- Peter S
  
  I read his article this morning on the Herald and my immediate thought was “ouch, he must have a really bad hangover!”
  Normally his format is to either criticise National and compare it to something better Labour has done, or criticise Labour and then contrast that with something National has done to show why it is not going to be as damaging to Labour as it could have been.
  This was different, it was a pretty incisive and pretty acerbic takedown of the coalition and bleak view of the coming year for them. I especially enjoyed the clown head reference (though he missed the obvious opportunity to apply it to the PM).
  Likening Winston to a cockroach was pure gold too.
  One of his best articles I think.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12197680
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:45am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nah, he and his bed mate are just playing good guy bad guy. HDPA was kicking into National so it’s “barely’s” time to have a wee crack at ardern the liar.
    
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    January 29, 2019 12:37pm
    - Peter S
      
      Possibly. If so, he has still stepped outside his normal formula, which is odd. It stood out to me just as it would if a formulaeiic series like Master Chef suddenly announced a decision on the last contestant before the advert break instead of after the break (and recap).
      
      Maybe I am reading too much into it, but sometimes it is the subtle changes that are the revealing ones.
      
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      January 29, 2019 1:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Nope, there are changes. Newstalk ZB for example.
        
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        January 29, 2019 1:55pm
Tarquin North

I see Chester Borrows if morphing in to the new Kim Workman. I suppose after leaving parliament he had to find a new trough, going to work like the rest of us wouldn’t suit him.
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January 29, 2019 8:37am
- Longknives
  
  Chester ‘Those poor Prisoners need unlimited Taxpayer cash when released from Prison’ Burrows?
  He is simply saying what his Labour/Green masters have ordered him to say..
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:21am
oldgolfer

Much to look forward to.
Ah, the joys of summer.
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January 29, 2019 8:38am
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*……

Has Jamie-Lee Ross put his foot in it?
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January 29, 2019 8:41am
- thedavincimode
  
  Who knows what they did behind closed doors.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:51am
  - sooty
    
    Well they were not playing tiddly winks!
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:37am
    - Tall Man
      
      Sooty…Tana?
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:25am
  - Viking2
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110173811/parliaments-starcrossed-lovers-who-crossed-each-other
    
    Interesting POV.
    
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    January 29, 2019 8:33pm
harvey wilson

Anyone else enjoying the outrage from laid off Vox, Salon and Huff posts “ journalists” being told to learn to code?
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January 29, 2019 8:41am
- harvey wilson
  
  Succinctly put https://mobile.twitter.com/thealexvanness/status/1089319941898207233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-42457289933237356922.ampproject.net%2F1901241837330%2Fframe.html
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:16am
Inandout

Cindy continues to avoid interviews, like she really isn’t a PM (other than salary). I can’t recall a PM who is so adroit at dodging interviews, and being absent from the House. Yet under parliamentary rules there is fuck all we can do about it.
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January 29, 2019 8:43am
- niggly
  
  It’s “ok” according to the Jacindamania fawning media – to steal a “Burt-ism”, after all “It’s Ok When The Left Do It” … and the classic Leftie line “Nothing To See Here, Move On”!
  
  But imagine if it were John Key or Bill English missing in action all the time, the likes of the Spinoff, TS, TVNZ, and the left-wing blogosphere would go into such a frenzy quite regularly, I’m sure the national power grid would be overloaded as zillions of articles were produced and “outrage” repeated day after day after day!
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:51am
- fernglas
  
  Why would you want to hear an interview with someone who has no influence over or understanding of policy?
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:18am
- kevn
  
  @InOut… JA (the part-time PM) finds interviews with Hosking challenging. Just cancels.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:28am
  - sooty
    
    She has more inportant things to do like change squrriels nappy!
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:39am
  - calendar girl
    
    At the risk of inflating his considerable ego, I suggest that Hosking’s level of intelligence is 10-times that of Ardern.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:51am
    - Inandout
      
      Wow cg, that would make his IQ 110.
      
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      January 29, 2019 11:31am
  - Inandout
    
    kevn, if Hosking challenges her then the likes of Mark Levin would absolutely destroy her. But of course she is too socialist-wise to fall for that one, so short of a revolution, we will have to wear her. The saddest aspect of all this is because of MMP she just may scrape in again, if Peters gets his flock to forget yesterday. What a bloody sad future.
    
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    January 29, 2019 10:02am
- oldgolfer
  
  Cindy?
  Is she the woman who once pretended to be the PM?
  It seems soooo long ago.
  Didn’t she get a job in Canada or at the UN?
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:49am
- peterwn
  
  No worries for the media – Jami seems willing to do interviews at any time, that should keep them going.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:51am
Lee C

Nationals new anti CoL motto could be

‘At this stage’.

Ie. a pic of Jacinda and

“We have no plans for CGT…. ‘at this stage'”
or:
“We will not introduce a sugar tax – ‘at this stage’
and:
“We will not hike fuel levies again – ‘at this stage’
Or:
“We will not tax meat-consumption ‘at this stage’
Or
“We will not ban another industry – ‘at this stage’
and
“We are not going for state-funded elections – ‘at this stage'”
and
“We will not remove all parental involvement from schools – ‘at this stage'”

:…rinse and repeat.
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January 29, 2019 8:53am
Southern Raider

Local Govt shit fight about to start

West Coast Council has come out against Climate Change/Zero emissions laws stating the CoL “must prove beyond reasonable doubt that Climate Change actually exists”
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January 29, 2019 8:58am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I heard that on the radio this morning and had a quiet chuckle. They’re no-nonsense buggers down there with very effective bullshit detectors 😀
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:07am
  - Southern Raider
    
    In summation their position is “before you fuck over our whole region and force us into 70% unemployment prove to us there is more to this than just feelz”
    
    Taranaki was first, West Coast second. Which region is next in the gun?
    
    I’m picking Southland will be nailed by forced closure of Tiwai to pretend the excess power can then be redistributed to Auckland for electric vehicle charging
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:34am
    - Yvette
      
      Southerner Raider, you touch on an issue which I have never seen addressed –
      any indication whatsoever as to what percentage charging electric cars is projected to take from the national power grid?
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:19am
      - Southern Raider
        
        No idea but major issue is the cumulative load.
        
        When will people charge their cars? At night when ovens, heating etc is also going and the local grid can’t deal with that load
        
        Other thing people are silent on is that the transmission network wasn’t designed to get power from Manapouri to the north island
        
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        January 29, 2019 10:57am
    - kowtow
      
      If they had their way they’d wreck every thing.
      
      Meat , dairy , internal combustion engine , nearly all forms of power generation, they’d also hammer tourism with its air miles ( they tried that with food but trendy urban twats like their exotic food so that never took off). Etc.
      
      Remember folks these people come from the tradition of political compulsion ie the French Revolution/Marxism and all the destructive we know best , don’t dare oppose us consequences of that philosophy.
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:27am
    - stigie
      
      Im picking lake levels must be getting rather low about now, so are they going to tell us to reduce our power consumption or are we going to import more coal from Indonesia to fire up those Rankines at Huntly..?
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:47am
      - Viking2
        
        Bin going flat out for weeks.
        Plenty of coal being unloaded at Tauranga. The coal loaders have been used a bit lately. Keeps the rust off.
        
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        January 29, 2019 8:37pm
Lee C

Hmmm, what an interesting approach – actually ask for proof.

Next they’ll be asking for a photo of the tooth fairy.
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January 29, 2019 9:03am
- Komata
  
  leeC
  
  Too late; they’ve already appeared on walls in Auckland…
  (Not a pretty sight BTW).
  
  No unicorn dust yet, but it’s only a matter of time…
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:53am
Surely Knott

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs9XkiJHsjc/ Richie Hardcore. Straight core ex-anti-drug campaigner wearing his some of my friends sell drugs tshirt. Coming to a school near you to talk to your kids about drugs. Edit Tshirt: Some of my gang friends traffic class A drugs.
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January 29, 2019 9:10am
- Longknives
  
  ‘Anti Drugs’ campaigner my arse!
  I’d be pretty pissed off if this character turned up to my kid’s school….(In fact it would probably force my hand to speak out with what I know about this guy)
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not trying to rock your boat but that is a major problem within New Zealand. We are a small nation and not far removed from each other so we “censor” things in a way.
    
    These sleaze need to be held to account and as we do not have a media we have to rely on the “whispering” campaign such as that started by someone against JLR whereas he should have been named and shamed when he first came to the attention of the media.
    
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    January 29, 2019 10:19am
  - Bullion
    
    most parents would love their kids to be straight edge.
    
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    January 29, 2019 11:37am
- alex Masterley
  
  If he turns up at either of the schools my sons attend I will be making my displeasure known.
  Louldy.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:22am
  - dubya
    
    Hope it’s a private school, soon parental involvement will be banned at all public ones.
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:32am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Nope. Both state.
      
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      January 29, 2019 10:12am
- Jules99
  
  We had a ‘rock star’ come to our school to talk about the monkey on your back. A week later he was arrested again on drugs charges. Risky for a school to take this path.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:04am
- Inandout
  
  SK, it sure is handy being buddies with the Gaylord.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:05am
  - sooty
    
    Both have got high paying presenting jobs!
    
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    January 29, 2019 12:00pm
Positan

Willie Brown says Kamala Harris threatened him with indictment after their affair that helped launch her political career.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/01/28/willie-brown-says-kamala-harris-threatened-him-with-indictment-after-their-affair-that-helped-launch-her-political-career-718281?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get+Response&utm_term=EMAIL

Is anyone likely to be surprised? Given to the cess-pit that is the Left side of U.S. politics, and so many other examples of ladder-climbing by Democrat wannabes – does the average U.S. citizen really want such people as their “representatives?”
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January 29, 2019 9:14am
- KevOB
  
  That relationship was 20 years ago.
  Isn’t the American’s attempt to snatch the Venezuela oil more important?
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:04am
  - Paulus
    
    The USA is a net exporter of Oil and totally self sufficient.
    BP in the Gulf have found one of the largest oil finds ever.
    Russia is supplying Venezuela with sophisticated weapons and military hardware and has been for some months now,
    
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    January 29, 2019 2:08pm
    - KevOB
      
      Who has he right to dictate other countries affairs?
      See this concerning USA/Venezuela:
      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-28/venezuela-regime-change-good-american-oil-companies-says-john-bolton
      
      Without the rule of law what have we?
      
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      January 29, 2019 2:48pm
    - KevOB
      
      Now the oil coy assets have been seized—
      https://www.rt.com/news/449994-us-sanctions-venezuela-oil-maduro/
      
      Do we have cowboys now running countries?
      
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      January 29, 2019 3:08pm
- Komata
  
  Positan
  
  Re: ‘… Does the average U.S. citizen really want such people as their “representatives?”
  
  Apparently at least 20,000 of them in California certainly do…
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:57am
mikenmildagain

This is not goping to happen. Go away councillor:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110221479/wellington-councillor-seeks-no-tooting-signs-for-mt-victoria-tunnel
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January 29, 2019 9:31am
- The Heat
  
  Not going to happen.
  
  In any case, adding those signs will, of course, increase tooting in the tunnel ten-fold.
  
  Chris Calvi-Freeman – think it through, bud.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:40am
- mandk
  
  I always tell passengers in my car that I toot in Mt Vic tunnel as a loyal salute to the GG in her official residence nearby.
  
  I’m sure she appreciates the gesture.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:17am
  - peterwn
    
    There is a footpath/ cycleway (completely separated from the road) through the tunnel. Tooting, especially in the confines of the tunnel, is annoying to pedestrians and cyclists. It is illegal anyway unless done as a valid traffic warning.
    It is worth noting that the Council ceded control of the tunnel to NZTA several years ago when the tunnel and associated roads were designated SH1. This means NZTA is responsible for maintenance, signage etc. Indeed the NZTA spent a considerable sum upgrading the tunnel with a firefighting deluge system, increased earthquake resilience and new LED lighting.
    
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    January 29, 2019 11:01am
- godruelf
  
  I hope the good voters of the Eastern Ward remember this later in the year.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:47am
- MCos
  
  Chris Calvi-Freeman must be new in Wellington.
  Pisa has it’s leaning tower.
  Dunedin has Baldwin St
  Tauranga has nothing
  
  Wellington has all sorts of things and the residents like to express their sheer exuberance by tooting in the Mt Vic tunnel.
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:04am
- KevOB
  
  He’s 65 years too late.
  
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  January 29, 2019 2:49pm
- Inandout
  
  Oh my m&m, ‘goping’ is so near to ‘groping’, so Freudian.
  
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  January 29, 2019 2:52pm
GazzaW

The Herald, TV One, NIWA and Red Radio are still trying to convince me that NZ is going to fry this week. I checked my 10 day weather forecast this morning and the highest temperature that I can locate nationally is 34 degrees on Thursday in Alexandra. Hot, yes but not out of the way for Alexandra. Very few other centres get above 30 degrees this week.

Why do I get the impression that we are being conned by the usual suspects?
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January 29, 2019 9:38am
- brett68
  
  We have the laziest media in the world, it’s just pathetic.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:43am
  - The Heat
    
    Then they moan about not making any money.
    
    Hey, MSM.
    
    You provide so little value. We are tired of fact checking you – the one job you actually have – and a job that can be done, in this case, in under five minutes. No, we are not interested in your “story” or your transparent support of environmental activism.
    
    Your end cannot come soon enough. Then your many, many hacks are freed up to do something much more useful, like asking a customer “would you like fries with that?”
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:54am
- oldgolfer
  
  Only yesterday summer heat was Breaking News on Stuff.
  I rest my case.
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:46am
  - sooty
    
    To think that in a little while half the msm will be out of a job!
    You would think that they would be starting to tell the truth as a reason why they should get picked again!
    Drain the swamp!
    
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    January 29, 2019 9:58am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Only problem: we, the taxpayers will continue to fund the remaining half of the MSM :(.
      
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      January 29, 2019 3:00pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I agree Gazza, Yesterday appeared as an ordinary summers day. No reports of admissions to hospital for sunstroke or even fainting from heat. It is supposed to be 32ºc in Hamilton today. I will take the temp in controlled conditions (shade, 1.2m off the ground) at 3pm today and will report back. ?
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:02am
- Jules99
  
  This is good. Even my leftie mum is waking up – she’s sick of all the scare stories in the media.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:05am
- KevOB
  
  It’s important to scare the children to protect their mental health–might reform the weather.
  A very pleasant day yesterday in Christchurch. A bit chillier today.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:07am
- Biscuit
  
  Indeed, GazzaW.
  
  Last night’s ONE News was amusing.
  
  Two hosts gushing about the heatwave.
  
  Crosses to four – I sh*t you not – reporters who each breathlessly told us it was hot.
  
  Clone-of-Jimmy roped in to tell us, yep, that it was hot.
  
  Give it six months.
  
  Two hosts gushing about the snow.
  
  Crosses to four – I sh*t you not – reporters who’ll each breathlessly tell us it is cold.
  
  Clone-of-Jimmy roped in to tell us, yep, that it is cold.
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:20am
  - The Heat
    
    Heh.
    
    It’s all done in such alarmist terms. The weather, like (supposed) global warming, is SCARY!
    
    “Tomorrow, look out Wellington! A massive weatherbomb is heading your way and set to break in the early hours of the morning. Buckle up tight. This is going to be a big one! We are crossing live to Sarah, who is braving it out in Wellington right now, over to you Sarah! ”
    
    “Well, yes – let me just step out of the horizontal rain, it’s really starting to hammer us here by the airport – thanks Phil. As you can see…..”
    
    Reality: A bit windy, chance of scattered showers, 14 degrees.
    
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    January 29, 2019 11:55am
    - Biscuit
      
      Yep, whereas you and I – sane folk – think ‘Hmmm, might stay in tonight. Thank heavens I PLAN my life for such minor inconveniences…’
      
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      January 29, 2019 12:37pm
- Komata
  
  Gazza W
  
  Nothing new – the country’s temperatures has been reaching such heights for centuries; even Captain Cook was told about such things by local Maori when he visited Mercury Bay.
  
  FWIW: In most summers, the Theremometer outside the backdoor of my house (which is placed in direct sunlight) regularly reaches 50 Degrees C (and probably more – the Thermometer is limited to 50 Degrees).
  
  Anything however to continue to push the desired narrative…
  
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  January 29, 2019 12:06pm
- geoff3012
  
  YES as per usual….
  
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  January 29, 2019 4:05pm
kevn

@Gazza…. After the last few wet summers we are back to a hot/normal summer.
Tracking the Northern Hemisphere (last) summer.
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January 29, 2019 9:44am
- GazzaW
  
  Surely we must be due our annual ‘Storm of the Century’ before the end of February.
  
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  January 29, 2019 2:06pm
sooty

Morning Sickness maybe the cause off the Comrade JacinDUHs no show with Mike Hosking.
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January 29, 2019 9:53am
- Jules99
  
  Hmm… wonder who the father might be.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    A brave/stupid person of no fixed gender….
    
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    January 29, 2019 10:08am
- Tall Man
  
  Nope, lazy and scared more like.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:07am
Lee C

another constructive dismissal by Labour (the party of the workers) ?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12197759
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January 29, 2019 10:22am
Happychappy

You have to feel sorry for Ross Taylor with the form he is in with the bat this season, but he and the Black Caps can’t seem to be able to challenge the Indians. I realize one man doesn’t make a team but Taylor has seemed to have got better with age and after surgery on his eyes and needs others to support his Captain and himself with the bat if they have any hope of beating the Indians even without their super star Captain Koli.
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January 29, 2019 10:27am
- Tall Man
  
  I am certainly not a cricket expert but some of those dismissals yesterday were just plain dumb batting.
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:53am
dcrown

@realDonaldTrump
“We are not even into February and the cost of illegal immigration so far this year is $18,959,495,168. Cost Friday was $603,331,392. There are at least 25,772,342 illegal aliens, not the 11,000,000 that have been reported for years, in our Country. So ridiculous! DHS”

Meanwhile in California 7 in 10 non-citizen households are on welfare …
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/04/study-more-than-7-in-10-california-immigrant-households-are-on-welfare/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

If Trump is determined to save his presidency he must declare a national emergency to both build the wall and slash entitlements, immediately.
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January 29, 2019 10:37am
Macfre

Brent Edwards’ NBR column today has this from Richard Wagstaff
“[Wagstaff] says there is pressure for wages to rise. Under classic economic theory, with unemployment so low, wages should have gone up more but a broken collective bargaining system had stopped that happening.
Mr Wagstaff also dismisses fears higher wages will simply lead to price increases.
“The suggestion that we shouldn’t have higher wages because then the cost of everything will go up and you’ll be no better off, you know, I think is quite ridiculous. We shouldn’t have higher profits either then because that’s also sucking money out of the economy and putting costs on products.”

So, non-classic economic theory has it that higher wages don’t affect prices but profits suck money out of the economy and push up prices……..
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January 29, 2019 10:44am
- Tall Man
  
  There’s dumb, really really dumb and just fucking retarded.
  
  Guess where the labour thickos drop in…..
  
  Just to help the slow lefties..the answer is..just fucking retarded.
  
  Cheers
  
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  January 29, 2019 10:50am
- KeaRea
  
  Because profits are bad for an economy. Everyone makes just as much margin as they please.
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:19am
MickMac

http://michellemalkin.com/2018/11/28/silicon-valley-sharia/

its worth a read.
alive and well in NZ
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January 29, 2019 10:51am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I follow her on Facebook. She is pretty full on – no crap
  
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  January 29, 2019 5:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Does anyone know if Red Masses are held in NZ?
i.e. the Catholic Church holding a special Mass for Judges, Magistrates and other legal/Judicial folks.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/29/red-mass-child-abuse-survivors-protest-against-catholic-event-for-legal-profession
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January 29, 2019 11:01am
- fernglas
  
  I thnk they have a mass at the Maclaurin chapel in Auckland from time to time, and both the unlapsed Catholics at the bar go to that.
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:20am
marcw

A sensible judge (obviously not in NZ). Read the story and be appalled, yet if this case was in NZ the bleeding heart lawyers would be appealing the sentence. More than most of our murderers get still.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/28/judge-calls-tougher-sentences-killer-drivers-jails-brothers/
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January 29, 2019 11:15am
- fernglas
  
  Almost all of our murderers get life and eligibility for parole starts at 10 years. Those guys will likely be out in half their 11.5 yrs. That said, British judges are a lot tougher on sentence than here.
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:24am
- Tall Man
  
  “In truth, you are nothing more than a somewhat miserably inadequate group of deeply malevolent local criminals. ”
  
  I can think of a couple on here that fit the description..”miserably inadequate”…steffy girl springs to mind.
  
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  January 29, 2019 11:46am
  - pentwig
    
    Tall Man
    That is what stoopidthings’ goat nays to it every morning.
    So sad.
    
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    January 29, 2019 12:26pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Not “nay..not again?”
      
      You think she’d rather fuck a horse than a goat. Billys are smelly old things.
      
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      January 29, 2019 12:31pm
- MCos
  
  Well, it wasn’t NZ.
  I don’t know that I recall reading about a similar case in this country.
  The accident was horrendous enough, but the subsequent attitude of the ratbags was unbelievable.
  
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  January 29, 2019 1:03pm
KeaRea

https://mobile.twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1089628396957491200

Cernovich making the distinction between cucked worthless Churchianity and Christianity. We deserve it. For being so afraid of stupid words of self enrichment like ‘racist’ or ‘homophobe’ or ‘anti semitic’. So I will write and circulate my heterosexual manifesto (well received), as long as Michael Swifts’ isnt repudiated for the hilarious projection piece of villian monologue excrement that it is. We aren’t going to do double standards anymore. Lol no one likes it when anyone except diversities stand their ground. Too bad.
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January 29, 2019 11:27am
- mandk
  
  Perhaps I’m too simple a fellow, KeaRea, but most of the time I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to convey in your comments.
  
  I wonder if I am alone in that respect.
  
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  January 29, 2019 12:03pm
  - KeaRea
    
    Fair enough. That’s my fault and my problem. I will simplify everything. Yesterday I was just making a point about double standards. If it’s good for there to be a deeply offensive and hateful manifesto by a gay man, why can’t straights have one? Why do we always have to be punching bags when we are supposed to be equal? Not inferior? When right now we are being stripped of the right to even have children who are hetero?
    
    I was also trying to show that you need to be sceptical about ‘satire’. As I proved from my own quick manifesto – just calling sth satire doesn’t mean it isn’t full of truths.
    
    Then I was just showing that a lot of Swift’s satire actually turns out to be true – based on news stories all over the world from Scotland to Ohio to Austria.
    
    I was trying to show that manifestos relating to culture are important, and we can write our own. We are creating our own. Right now there is an international team redefining conservatism from Russell Kirks 1953 principles. Kiwiblog is one of the last free speech zones in the world. So it’s more important then people realise – hats off to dpf for his free speech. Sorry Im not writing effectively. My fault.
    
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    January 29, 2019 12:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope.
    
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    January 29, 2019 12:29pm
KeaRea

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/26/melania-trump-apology/

Case in point. Melania Trump has received probably the most boot kissing groveling apology in media history.

Lol read this Telegraph article. They got wrecked. It’s time all diversity started feeling the pain too. Melania didn’t apologise or say ‘sorry, you’re right. Im a homophobe Islamaphobia racist whatever, have my dignity’. She sued them. They got wrecked. Welcome to the future.
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January 29, 2019 11:33am
- stephieboy
  
  Kea Rea. the Daily Mail also. A tabloid rag not known for its sympathy towards diversity, Muslims etc!
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/91529700/daily-mail-to-pay-melania-trump-damages?rm=a
  
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  January 29, 2019 12:38pm
  - This goy (((knows)))
    
    Silly boy!
    
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    January 29, 2019 1:33pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Heh, you’ve linked to the Daily Mail in the past.
    But then you are FakeNewsStephie the Liar
    
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    January 29, 2019 2:38pm
Michael

19 days until the next shutdown.
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January 29, 2019 11:35am
- MCos
  
  Wellington buses?
  
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  January 29, 2019 12:45pm
secondcumming

One of the guys at the gun club is a freelance Script Writer.
He was telling us he’s made a funding pitch to *NZ on Air* for a new TV series,
it’s called ‘Doctor’……but it’s about a House.
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January 29, 2019 12:04pm
- Komata
  
  sc
  
  Didn’t some American already do that on a sitcom or something? the name ‘House’ sounds familiar…
  
  (Asking to a friend).
  
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  January 29, 2019 12:11pm
KeaRea

http://archive.is/ckoCs

2% of youth at most are transgender. Lol, 35% of whom attempt suicide, within a few years… So why do we treat this like it’s worthy of anything except dismissal and a demand to grow up and get real? Why is it given deference and taken seriously? I apologise for the TLDR and swearing. Gosh the chill is real ?.
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January 29, 2019 12:07pm
- This goy (((knows)))
  
  I know a guy who has a friend who was straight years ago, then went bi and now trans. If this whole trans trend didn’t come out I bet they’d be normal, they never existed even 20 years ago (and barely known 10 years ago) that I saw.
  
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  January 29, 2019 1:39pm
  - MH
    
    Intersexuality is the cause.
    
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    January 29, 2019 2:04pm
RF

I’m hearing that Ardern the liar is too gutless to speak to Mike Hosking. The excuse was too busy. Where is the old fella who acts as her deputy dog.

She is a sick joke who is a Peters clone seeking the baubles of office.

I believe that with all her overseas travel Air Miles Ardern is an appropriate description of her.
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January 29, 2019 12:22pm
- stephieboy
  
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  “I’m hearing that Ardern the liar is too gutless to speak to Mike Hosking.”
  
  From whom and who cares?
  
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  January 29, 2019 12:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Awesome, I knew you’d turn up like the proverbial stinker you are.
    
    “In truth, you are nothing more than a somewhat miserably inadequate and deeply malevolent person”
    
    What’s worse, a liar or her followers?
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    stefyy can’t tell the difference between truth and a lie
    
    steffy is……..seriously, who cares.
    
    I’m on holiday steffy so you’re getting an easy ride.
    
    You know, holiday, fun in the sun, extra sex (fun out of the sun), good food, good mates..
    
    Sorry, silly me, bennies don’t have those do they and you certainly would be short of mates?
    
    Get a job
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is lazy.
    
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    January 29, 2019 1:06pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Ouch. From Newstalk ZB.. Andrew Dickens,
  “Where is PM Jacinda Ardern?”
  Chris Trotter has been asking that question since Dec. “The suspicion is rising that Jacinda Ardern likes to be a spokesperson for a government and a figurehead for the world but when it comes down to the nitty gritty of being a leader the job is a little difficult.”!!
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/andrew-dickens-afternoons/opinion/andrew-dickens-where-is-pm-jacinda-ardern/?fbclid=IwAR2OjgJHl2I_4WmkloP_WDSRMkk504jkpEL6PnLRnTNhIjWL3odePMtCqk8
  
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  January 29, 2019 12:48pm
  - brett68
    
    I get the vibe, she’s about to bolt.
    She’s out grown little o’l NZ, the world stage beckons for Cindy.
    
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    January 29, 2019 1:18pm
    - MH
      
      her consort says the grass is greener on the other side.
      
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      January 29, 2019 2:06pm
      - GJM
        
        or the snow is whiter..
        
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        January 29, 2019 7:54pm
    - KevOB
      
      Ardern’s dreaming of a return to Morrinsvlle. She is not robust enough for Parliament. Peters failed as a selector.
      Gayford can provide the fish and she can deal with it.
      
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      January 29, 2019 3:00pm
      - sooty
        
        That’s just what I’ve been saying.
        Where and why has she been missing?
        Don’t think she was in gissy.
        Jethro and squrriel were.
        
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        January 29, 2019 4:35pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Alas, no. An Internationale-singing socialist who gets control of a country won’t just walk away. Taxinda is here to establish hardcore socialism.
      
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      January 29, 2019 4:42pm
  - MrTips
    
    And further to that there’s the fear that she might not have any ideas at all.
    
    LOL. HorridStuff™ have known that for ages, but because feelz, girlz, yayz…they did nothing. Now the cats out of the bag they can’t hide it anymore.
    
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    January 29, 2019 1:37pm
    - MH
      
      people keep bringing up her dead cat, it pulls on the heart strings more than neve = cease desist pls.
      
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      January 29, 2019 2:10pm
      - sooty
        
        Jethro made it ito a Davey Crockett hat!
        
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        January 29, 2019 4:30pm
  - RF
    
    Boy oh boy.. Andrew Dickens is on fire today, Calling out our missing PM, Ardern the liar.
    
    Quoting Chris Trotter etc and generally putting the boot in.
    
    He suggests Grant might be ready to make a move on her ladyship as she is starting to believe in her phoney persona put out by Labour.
    
    I can see a damage control engagement in the wind.
    
    However First fish may not like having to dispose of his fishing tackle as he believes there are still plenty of fish in the ocean.
    
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    January 29, 2019 2:42pm
    - Komata
      
      Rf@1442
      
      Remember though, that as he’s NOT married to the ‘lady’, there is absolutely NO legal reason for First fish NOT to throw himself back…
      
      Unconfirmed rumour has it that others have also been casting ‘nets’ in the hope of doing their own ‘catching’…
      
      (Just saying).
      
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      January 29, 2019 2:50pm
MCos

Yet another tourist dies on Thailand’s Ko Tao.
http://www.samuitimes.com/yet-another-tourist-fatality-on-koh-tao-highlights-impotence-of-mainstream-media-within-thailand/

The Samui Times has got into trouble in the past for ruffling feathers over incidents such as this.
Ko Tao is a stunning island for tourists to visit, but a baffling number don’t get off alive or unharmed.
The talk is the police is subservient to the local marfia who tend to do as they like, particularly when sexually aroused.
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January 29, 2019 12:43pm
- Inandout
  
  Yet idiots still swear Thailand is a great destination.
  
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  January 29, 2019 1:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Look at total tourist numbers and incidents.
    
    You will find it is one of the safer o/seas destinations.
    
    Look at our ratio.
    
    I have been visiting Thailand with my wife (1 & 2 🙂 ) since 1979.
    
    I would still rate it as one of the easier safer destinations that I visit regularly.
    
    Now, Phuket, Pattaya and environs are slightly different but I still maintain visitors create vastly more issues than the locals and that does include the Russion and local mafia as well.
    
    In my opinion 🙂
    
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    January 29, 2019 1:19pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Violent crimes against tourists are rare. Although, murders, assaults, and rapes may occur. Be aware of drink and food-spiking in the bars and try not to be separated from your traveling comrades. In terms of violent crimes, they are mostly common in Phuket, Pattaya, Bangkok and tourist areas in the Southern Thailand.”
    
    “Dangers & Annoyances. New Zealand is no more dangerous than other developed countries, but take normal safety precautions, especially after dark on city streets and in remote areas. Kiwi roads are often made hazardous by map-distracted tourists, wide-cornering campervans and traffic-ignorant sheep.”
    
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    January 29, 2019 1:26pm
    - MCos
      
      Thailand is like most places. You need to be careful and don’t believe everything you’re told be smiling locals. Don’t provoke fights.
      Those annoying poms who were out here would get their heads kicked in on the mean back streets of Pattaya if they started blatantly pinching stuff.
      
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      January 29, 2019 2:31pm
      - kowtow
        
        Not Poms , Irish ‘Travellers’.
        
        And kicking their heads in for nicking stuff would be horrible , after all it’s their culture.
        
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        January 29, 2019 5:45pm
Inandout

The real name of the basher would be doctor.
‘Venus Carnation Marama Patrina Ioana Lorna Alice Callan’

FFS!
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January 29, 2019 1:06pm
- MCos
  
  My wife has one first name, but it’s been changed three times, none of which she’s known by except on official documents.
  She has two unofficial names, one for her family and the other for everyone else.
  Her Thai surname also changed with the addition of a syllable somewhere along the way.
  
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  January 29, 2019 2:59pm
kowtow

The world gone mad.

‘A German court ruled on Monday that a public health insurance company must pay for transsexual customers to have their beard hair removed, even if it is done by a beautician.’

https://www.dw.com/en/german-insurer-must-pay-for-transgender-beard-removal/a-47266611
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January 29, 2019 1:14pm
secondcumming

No wonder the *Catholic Church* is in the state it’s in…….they keep putting silly old pricks like this in charge.

https://twitter.com/adamraney/status/1089916507377885184
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January 29, 2019 1:16pm
Chuck Bird

Another good conservative National MP.

Meet Parliament’s new MP: Agnes Loheni, National Party list MP

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=12197061&ref=twitter
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January 29, 2019 1:18pm
- lifesgood
  
  Wow! What a woman! Go well, Agnes.
  
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  January 29, 2019 3:35pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  “She joined the National Party because of its values of “enterprise, hard work and personal responsibility”.
  
  ” She said she would like to streamline compliance processes for small businesses.
  
  “Small businesses are very diverse. You cover a lot of roles and can be time-poor, when you want to spend time in the creative side of the business.
  
  “We don’t want to discourage businesses to take risks and grow. That’s where a lot of job creation comes from.”
  
  Excellent.
  
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  January 29, 2019 4:56pm
Cobolt24

Just recently I’ve switched my search engine to duckduckgo from Google, it’s alright, just wanted to try one that protects privacy.
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January 29, 2019 1:31pm
- Tall Man
  
  Just gave it a go. Searched “ardern is a liar”. Interesting……
  
  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ardern+is+a+liar&t=hj&ia=videos
  
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  January 29, 2019 2:01pm
- Garbageman
  
  A VPN wouldn’t go astray either Cobalt i use ExpressVPN set it to the USA & that also gives me all of their Netflix content which is vastly superior to our local content, there are very few VPNs that allow this so choose wisely if you do go shopping for one
  
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  January 29, 2019 2:56pm
mandk

Agnes Loheni MP

Now, there’s someone who truly is a role model.

She’s a great example of how family values, hard work and high aspirations can help to overcome a disadvantaged background.

I wish her a fabulously successful parliamentary career.
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January 29, 2019 1:34pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Having two parents with jobs who care about their kids and teach them good values, is not a disadvantaged background. Household income has very little effect on success of kids in NZ. That’s just a line pushed by the left to justify more taxes.
  
  The correlation between parents’ income and success only exists because parents who are bad at earning money tend to be bad at raising kids as well. But that correlation doesn’t exist at all when the parents are immigrants from a poor country.
  
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  January 29, 2019 2:12pm
  - mandk
    
    I didn’t say anything about income, but I fully accept your point about the role of parents.
    
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    January 29, 2019 2:46pm
MCos

Some woman down in Timaru falsely claimed she found a needle in some strawberries, causing all sorts of problems for the supermarket.
They’re all boofheads down in Timaru.
I should know, I come from there.
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January 29, 2019 1:55pm
- Tall Man
  
  Unfair…
  
  Denheath custard squares 🙂
  
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  January 29, 2019 1:58pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yes, Tall Man, the woman who made false claims of a needle in her strawberries does have the brain of a custard square. Clearly, she thought she would win compensation but has instead ended up being charged.
    
    How many punnets of strawberries were dumped, what was the dollar loss and how many jobs did she put at risk? Hope they throw the book at her. ?
    
    PS: Denheath custard squares are excellent ?
    
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    January 29, 2019 2:23pm
- Komata
  
  McCos
  
  In respect of your admission that you are from Timaru and (possibly) a ‘Boofhead’, the old military response DOES come to mind, namely that: ‘I will neither confirm nor deny’.
  
  It might have been wiser to have used that as your response…
  
  (Just saying)
  
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  January 29, 2019 2:43pm
- RF
  
  Is it true that one of your exported boofheads was that woolly headed guy that used to be on the TV3 Project.
  
  He is now playing with kids in the Stationery warehouse. Not sure if that’s a good career move.
  
  Timaru is dangerous territory as it’s very close to the city of the damned.
  
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  January 29, 2019 2:56pm
- Longknives
  
  I figured you more for Waimate stock MCos….
  
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  January 29, 2019 3:05pm
MH

and why is this topic called GENERAL DEBATEY -it should be GENERAL DEBATEY McDEBATEY
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January 29, 2019 1:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So…..
Grant Hannis case: Massey University took no action over student complaints
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12197888

It looks like Assoc Prof Hannis had been a sleaze long before he attacked an old woman in a rest-home.
Massey Uni just didn’t deal with the complaints.
Massey communications manager James Gardiner said the way the complaints were handled was “regrettable”.
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January 29, 2019 2:08pm
- Longknives
  
  This must be what being a ‘Tiriti led’ University means?
  This bunch of Leftist Lunatics deserve every ounce of flak that is coming to them….
  
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  January 29, 2019 3:01pm
- GazzaW
  
  Hannis’ sentence was manifestly inadequate but I’m heartened by the knowledge that he will be on an offenders’ register, unlikely to be accepted even for temporary entry to other countries, probably on airlines ‘watch’ lists, unemployable and a social outcast in his own country. He should still be serving time though.
  
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  January 29, 2019 3:06pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Massey Uni were too busy protecting their students from Don Brash to do anything about a sexual predator in their staff!
  
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  January 29, 2019 7:54pm
KeaRea

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7mTzUT7XkKE

Why the videos? Because we are creating our new culture. Old and new. Its fun. There’s a whole complex philosophy and biomechanics behind it. But bascially this is what the left did for decades. TS Eliot, Yeats (he was amazing but unfortunately deeply Pagan, but that’s okay), Lewin. They all did it. There is a reason a 20 foot Rainbow flag buries everyone over the Square in Darlinghurst and Surrey Hills 24/7. Why 40 foot Menorahs rise every Hannukah in every capital despite the so called separation of church and state seeing every trace of western religion removed. So we are creating our own icons. The evil eye and the Pyramid is everywhere. But we have our own now.

We aint staying here dyin soft. We’re gonna die historic on the Fury Road. Confucamus to all the ferals. Hitch up your blood bags and witness us.

I live I die I will live again.

-We are awaited in Valhalla-

Lol mad max has replaced fight club in the Oceania theatre – all if your memes are belong to us. Just so you guys know, Fight Club is a rampant gay allegory about their underground. The fight clubs were sth else clubs. Go back and reread it.

So jump on the Doof doof machine war boys (and girls) because it’s fun saving the world. The left are boring squares trying to kill every ones fun. Dry. We the underground now. As i said, left get buried. Degeneracy is so conventional. We coming for da breeders for immortal Joe Jesus.
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January 29, 2019 3:04pm
- sooty
  
  Yer rambling there mate! You might need to up the meds.
  
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  January 29, 2019 4:23pm
- pentwig
  
  goodgrief kea
  talk to the psycho one
  you really need help
  
  truly
  
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  January 29, 2019 7:26pm
Longknives

Jesus Wept! Her third child is on the way…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110227915/teen-charged-with-killing-twoweekold-baby-says-naming-her-could-harm-her-unborn-child

Just stop paying these Ferals to breed for Christ’s sake!….
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January 29, 2019 3:43pm
- Happychappy
  
  Why are they going to stop breeding when the Show Pony pays them to have children. You look at what is happening now with youths as young as 10 years of age involved in robberies of cigarettes and booze just a think what it will be like in another 10 years.
  
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  January 29, 2019 4:26pm
- stigie
  
  That’s the story, just spew out another Labour Party feral who will also vote Labour for their fucking hand outs with other peoples hard earned money !~
  
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  January 29, 2019 4:51pm
DigNap15

Newstalk ZB listeners were starting to get the feeling that Ardern is out of action and out of her class.

I hope that is reflected in the next poll.
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January 29, 2019 4:19pm
DigNap15

Climate Change.
If the believers really think it is coming and man made, then a carbon tax and a 5% reduction will not have any effect at all, when the world’s population keeps growing.
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January 29, 2019 4:21pm
Fletch

Top Saudi cleric and Ambassador to America, Bandar Bin Sultan, says Obama’s lies set back relations with the Middle East by 20 years.

Bandar Bin Sultan served for years as head of Saudi intelligence as well as the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States. In the interview, he recalled last phone call between late Saudi King Abdullah and Obama, during which the Saudi leader told the US president: “I did not expect that (after) this long life, I would see (the day) when an American president lies to me.”

Obama, Bin Sultan said, “would promise something and do the opposite.” He said that the president took the Middle East back 20 years and also spoke critically of the Iran nuclear deal and how the former president spoke publicly about curbing Iran’s activities but then went behind Saudi Arabia’s back and negotiated the nuclear deal.

These policies by Obama, he said, emboldened Russia and Iran and paved the way for them to enter Syria and interfere in the civil war that has raged there since 2011.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Top-Saudi-official-says-Obama-lied-set-Middle-East-back-20-years-578922
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January 29, 2019 5:11pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Fletch is so far down the rabbit hole that he would trust a ‘top Saudi cleric’ [that’s a Mooozlim, Fletch] ahead of anyone on the opposite side of his bullshit US culture war. Been reading too many tweets form Mike Cernovich
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:23pm
Fletch

The devils in New York –

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1302377419930339&id=100004742807171
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January 29, 2019 5:17pm
Fletch

Germany plans to close all it’s coal plants by 2038. What effect will it have on global warming? Pretty much none. But Germans are already having to pay up to 3 times the amount that Americans do, thanks to taxes and green subsidies.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/28/germany-coal-plants-closing-global-warming/
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January 29, 2019 5:25pm
- DigNap15
  
  2038?
  By that time we will all be drowned or roasted!
  
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  January 29, 2019 5:40pm
- DigNap15
  
  By that time India and China wil have twice the number of coal fired stations they have now!
  
  I hope our winters will be warmer then.
  
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  January 29, 2019 5:42pm
slightlyrighty

I see that the Cabinet reshuffle is postponed….

The only way Kris Fa’afoi is going to get into cabinet is if he identifies as female!
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January 29, 2019 5:26pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  I guess she’s giving Meka more time for people to forget the outrageous way she bullied her press secretary.
  
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  January 29, 2019 6:27pm
- brett68
  
  My career advice for Kris is to go Fa’afafine, next minute, deputy leader.
  
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  January 29, 2019 6:28pm
Keeping Stock

Trevor Mallard has gone power-crazy:

Speaker Trevor Mallard will deny Jami-Lee Ross access into going into the offices of National MPs.

His movements around Parliament will be restricted, it has been announced today.

ZB political editor Barry Soper told Larry Williams that this is “unprecedented”.

Soper says that he is taking it to a level “never seen in Parliament”.

“Ross still is, whether Trevor Mallard likes it or not, an elected Member of Parliament, and he should have the rights of any other elected MP.”

Mallard is the “Parliament landlord”, Soper says, and he can do what he likes with the building.

He describes this as “draconian”.

Mallard has also announced he will be introducing new rules around journalist interviews.

“Journalists have also been warned that if a MP doesn’t want to be interviewed here within the precinct here at Parliament, that interview must cease forthwith,” Soper says.

Soper says that is also “heavy-handed nonsense”.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/jami-lee-ross-movements-around-parliament-restricted-by-speaker-trevor-mallard/?fbclid=IwAR0NOiPD6zD0_TJCvxS0m5ayQdZnvCKZQe5w-xA878Ul5kO8fBlOxcKHyi8

I don’t care so much about Ross, but the ability he’s giving MP’s to terminate interviews because they don’t want to answer questions is hardly what you’d expect from “the most open and transparent government ever”. He’s basically saying Ministers and the PM don’t have to answer journalists’ questions on their way to the House, which is a further erosion in the ability for them to be held to account.

On the bright side though, at least Iain Lees-Galloway won’t have to hide behind any more to avoid being quizzed 😀
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January 29, 2019 6:25pm
- brett68
  
  Using Ross as a smoke screen to protect Ardern.
  
  Cindy must be in a fairly delicate state of mind to need this level of protection.
  
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  January 29, 2019 6:31pm
  - sooty
    
    Is this why she disapeared for 6wks over christmas new year?
    
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    January 29, 2019 6:35pm
    - brett68
      
      I don’t have any insider knowledge, but with Ardern being such a “look at moi, look at moi” sort of individual and just dropping off the face of the world for 5 weeks it’s not hard to come to the conclusion that all is not roses.
      
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      January 29, 2019 6:39pm
      - Happychappy
        
        I just watched her stand up with reporters after the cabinet meeting along with Grant Robertson and she is very insipid looking with no colour at all, very testy to go with it also.
        
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        January 29, 2019 7:08pm
  - MrTips
    
    Don’t ask how I know. Cindy will be gone by Q2.
    
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    January 29, 2019 6:39pm
    - brett68
      
      So June?, interesting.
      
      I feel she’s hiding and I get the feeling the media knows she’s hiding.
      
      Will they go for the kill, that’s the million dollar question.
      
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      January 29, 2019 7:07pm
      - auckwood
        
        As much as she deserves being held to account by the media & court of public opinion, sadly I just dont think it will happen.
        
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        January 29, 2019 7:19pm
      - sooty
        
        When is the annual labour party talkfeast!
        
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        January 29, 2019 9:08pm
    - gorse
      
      On the first day of the house sitting? Must watch
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:04pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Did Cindy turn up for Caucus this morning? She told ZB she couldn’t do her weekly Tuesday morning interview because she had the caucus meeting…
    Is Cindy hiding in the CoL’s witless protection?
    By the way, anyone seen or heard from SpecialK who also seems to have been awol for a long period of time?
    
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    January 29, 2019 6:40pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      That’s an interesting question.
      Winston Peters was chairing the Cabinet meeting.
      If that’s the case, why was her excuse to not do media today that she was “too busy preparing for Cabinet”?
      
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      January 29, 2019 7:50pm
Komata

Any bets that she will be MIA when Parliament resumes?
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January 29, 2019 6:45pm
- nasska
  
  This transparency is over-hyped. Most of us would settle for knowing that the leader & deputy leader of the Labour Party still existed!
  
  Perhaps one of our legal eagles could file a couple of writs of habeas corpus.
  
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  January 29, 2019 7:00pm
- DigNap15
  
  No, I saw a video of her today outlining her agenda for the next week or so.
  She is appearing everywhere. Waitangi, This Pa, that pa, this school, that school.
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:08pm
brett68

https://twitter.com/KermysRevenge/status/1090034505467932672

With friends like that who need enemies, no wonder poor old Cinders is feeling a bit stressed out.

You are one dumb Mofo, Hardcore.
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January 29, 2019 7:13pm
- nasska
  
  I reckon her connection to the Auckland party drug scene is what will unseat the conniving little liar. Most revelations about her dishonesty in Parliament are considered beltway issues by the great unwashed who worship at her feet.
  
  Mention social drugs & the thickest of the unhinged start frothing at the mouth. National doesn’t have a monopoly of votes from religious conservatives. Labour’s support amongst the Godaddled PIs & Catholic unionists can’t be written off easily.
  
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  January 29, 2019 7:26pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Which politician would cast that particular first stone?
    It would have to be someone transparently angelic, and I’m struggling to think of any MP in that category.
    
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    January 29, 2019 8:09pm
    - stigie
      
      “Read between the lines” Milky ?
      
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      January 29, 2019 8:14pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”It would have to be someone transparently angelic”……
      
      Are you suggesting that all National MPs don’t go to church every Sunday & confine their drug taking to a bottle or two of Glenfiddich per day Mike?
      
      Or do they just sound like that when they’re discussing the terrible effects of marijuana? 🙂
      
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      January 29, 2019 8:25pm
DigNap15

We need sentences like this in NZ to cut down our high crime rate.
Lock em up for longer and they wont do it again and will deter others

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/110223237/a-woman-partied-as-her-kids-sat-in-a-hot-car-shell-serve-40-years-in-prison-for-their-deaths

I hope you see this Andrew Little
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January 29, 2019 7:14pm
Kabull

Look, look – the sky is falling! The land is sinking! The world is about to end! Or at least is was supposed to by next year … a nice little historical giggle. https://cliscep.com/2019/01/18/climate-catastrophe-due-next-year/
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January 29, 2019 8:18pm
Johnboy

When I see photo’s like this on the msm I do really wonder at times if they are as much in love with her as we sometimes think! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110245771/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-keeps-her-powder-dry-on-cabinet-reshuffle
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January 29, 2019 8:38pm
- nasska
  
  Such photos attest to the fortitude & daring do of the First Fisher JB.
  
  It’d be like putting your wang into a combine harvester! 🙂
  
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  January 29, 2019 8:45pm
  - Johnboy
    
    You’d have to wonder if he clips on a steel trace to ensure his tackle survives the encounter nasska! 🙂
    
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    January 29, 2019 8:55pm
    - sooty
      
      Well that just proves it.
      The carpark puddle is that shallow!
      The ain’t anyone else to bring in!
      She’s hoping everyone will forget it!
      Like bloody hell!
      NZ’s most corrupt goverment ever!
      Vinegar tits!
      
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      January 29, 2019 9:03pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110243854/wellington-trains-on-the-johnsonville-line-and-the-hutt-valley-line-suspended-due-to-unrelated-faults

I’d have been worried about the “overhead train rails” too if I’d been underneath any! Maybe one day this idiot Stuff outfit will try to hire journalists that can comprehend the english language! 🙂
I assume they meant the overhead caternary?
Didn’t they just spend zillions on that putting all those weights and pulleys that tension it correctly no matter what the ambient temperture is?
Do we need to hire some decent engineers from say India to replace the home grown amateurs like say Alan Reay
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January 29, 2019 8:51pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Am I meant to believe that Johnsonville emerged from the fog-zone today and saw sunlight for the first time in recorded history?
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:04pm
- Johnboy
  
  Well fuckme…look at this…Edited….All comment on “Overhead rails” has disappeared:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110243854/wellington-trains-on-the-johnsonville-line-and-the-hutt-valley-line-suspended-due-to-unrelated-faults
  “Metlink Lower North Island general manager operations Anthony Mills said unusually high temperatures had affected the wires that provided the overhead power supply on the Hutt and Johnsonville lines. ”
  What a surprise these wanking tossers do follow KB! 🙂
  Keep up the shit folks! 🙂
  Still no answer on all the weights and pulleys that are meant to tension them put in at great expense to the taxpayer that obviously ain’t working too well!
  Give us another comment Millsy as to why all your engineers are utter wankers! 🙂
  
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  January 29, 2019 9:12pm
gorse

Stuff still trying to say we are stuffed. Global warming must be here. Headlines about how hot it is. I am just out of Christchurch, it has been hotter here in the past than yesterday, today, and the forecast for tomorrow, what are they on about?
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January 29, 2019 8:58pm
- KevOB
  
  It’s Christchurch normal.
  
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