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Notsofast

One of the most extraordinary statements I have read in a judgement is this in the Lundy appeal dismissal.

“[363] However this is not a case that turned on the credibility or honesty of witnesses.”

Anyone can read this forever and reflect on the infinite meanings, but the statement embraces such elements as

“[335]……………………………………….This was largely speculative, although Professor Ironside had given
the example of neck chops that might contain parts of the spinal cord. CNS tissue
might also find its way into sausage. In either case however, it would be remarkable
if the only part of the chop or sausage ended up spilled onto clothing was CNS tissue,
as in the case of Mr Lundy’s shirt. Like other experts, Professor Ironside readily
accepted that the CNS tissue observed in this case was “certainly central nervous
system tissue and nothing else”.”

So the case does turn on the “credibility or honesty” of Ironside making this statement, because if he is wrong, the shirt stain is certainly food chain. And indeed this is precisely what might be, and of course is contended by the presence of cow sheep and pig dna in the elution, dna which should not be there. Indeed the thin slides cut by Miller stained with enormously variable results which suggests any thing but sole and only CNS tissue that the judgement relies on to apply the proviso.

The privy council noted in [92]

“(iii) What is the extent and significance of the variation of staining on
Dr Miller’s slides? Is it legitimate to select those slides which appear
to show good preservation and produce results that are indicative of
the presence of CNS tissue and to disregard those which produce
ambivalent or inconsistent results? Does the variation of staining
indicate the possibility of the presence of artefacts?”

That is recited in [36] of the appeal dimissal.

Then we get to

“[357] Mr Eaton also referred to other matters that had been raised by the defence at
the trial, including:
(a) There were a number of unidentified fingerprints at the scene as well
as an unidentified footprint.

(d) Scrapings taken from under the fingernails of both the deceased, after
being analysed in 2014, were shown to contain the DNA of unknown
males.
(e) A number of fibres were found under the fingernails of both deceased.
These were analysed and could not be attributed to Mr Lundy’s
polo shirt.

[358] All of these matters must have been rejected by the jury as not raising a
reasonable doubt about Mr Lundy’s guilt. None of them are particularly cogent as an
indicator of another person being responsible for the crime. In our own view, they do
not raise a credible basis on which we could go behind the implications of
the CNS tissue and DNA found on Mr Lundy’s shirt.”

See what is being done here? The jury are taking the rap for ignoring evidence that an intruder was in the house murdering the family.

Does any of this matter?

Yes, because an innocent man is in jail and staring at a supreme court that is soon to be headed by one of these decision makers. I see a crisis, you lot see a huge laugh at a man’s plight.

Moderating and down voting this material all drawn from the public record will never make it disappear. I suggest you all read the judgement carefully and its in entirety to see how and why judicial history is going to be rewritten.

http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/lundy-v-r/@@images/fileDecision?r=405.381746405
I bet both arms. both legs and my life Lundy is innocent.

But Cooper j, Asher j and Winkelmann j say

“For the reasons we have set out we are sure of Mr Lundy’s guilt”.
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January 7, 2019 8:02am
Komata

So early?
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January 7, 2019 8:03am
- Biscuit
  
  TOO early, Komata…
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:06am
  - sooty
    
    Never is better. Be gone, I say!
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:17am
    - Biscuit
      
      Wow!
      
      Sooty says ‘Be gone, I say!’ and the Notsofast post vanishes!
      
      Sooty, can I ask you to now turn your attention to other things that bug the hell out of me:
      
      • Red Greens voters
      • Fans of Manchester CENSORED United
      • Sportspeople who wear uniform-inappropriate multi-coloured boots
      • Justin Bieber, Bono and assorted other ‘Merchants of Noise’
      • Quade Bloody Cooper
      
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      January 7, 2019 8:26am
      - Tall Man
        
        Seems fair…except the MU slur 😉
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:32am
      - SGA
        
        Agreed Tall Man. There was need to censor the MU comment 🙂
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:55am
      - Biscuit
        
        Tall Man and SGA, I’m a tolerant soul really.
        
        My real bile should clearly these days be addressed towards Manchester CITY, heh heh.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:00am
- JibberJabber
  
  It`s never too early for NSF to start felching Lundy, the object of his desire.
  It`s usually women who get a wide-on for convicted murderers, but I guess different strokes for different folks.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:32am
MT_Tinman

How come those in NZ who wank on about multi culture only want to acknowledge one culture?
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January 7, 2019 8:10am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  People talk about multiculturalism, but no-one knows what that word means. Or else it has different meanings to different people. Or else the mean of “multiculturalism” is fluid (like gender in this day and age, perhaps…).
  
  I think people confuse “multicultural” with “multiethnic.”
  The real danger is when your society becomes “multi-legal” in which different segments of the population apply different laws and are in turn governed by different laws.
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:53am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think I know what you mean. Our family is multi ethnic but we all share the same culture, apart from the one non drinker and the one vege 🙂
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:33am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      Same. My family has European, Maori, Lebanese Arab, Australian Aboriginal, Indian and probably a few more races chucked in there as well. But we are all ferals.
      
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      January 7, 2019 10:41am
      - Tall Man
        
        Wanganui….nuff said.. 🙂
        
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        January 7, 2019 11:31am
- MCos
  
  New Zealand is obviously multicultural if this dictionary definition is anything to go by
  
  multicultural
  /mʌltɪˈkʌltʃ(ə)r(ə)l/Submit
  adjective
  relating to or containing several cultural or ethnic groups within a society.
  
  Down the road from me is a Chinese activity centre.
  Down around the the corner is a Church of England.
  Over in Onehunga is an Indian Centre.
  We often go to a Thai Temple in Kelston, that is like a home away from home for all the Thais, but where the NZ flag is also flown.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:16am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Cultural” can be a problem when people take it seriously.
    When “cultural” refers to the language you use within your family, your “dress” on special days, the food you cook, the resturants you frequent, then “cultural” is pretty harmless.
    On the other hand, when your “culture” dictates whom you will marry, where you will send your children to be educated, do business with, employ, vote for, and ask to mediate conflicts, seek for medical help, then this is devisive to a society.
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:27am
    - MCos
      
      Plenty of people won’t send their kids to certain school because of predominant races of the kids who do go there.
      Plenty of Christians insist there kids go to Christian schools.
      
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      January 7, 2019 10:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    As long as they all wear the “Black” when appropriate they can pray to whatever deity they fancy…. 😉
    
    And just remember, no Timaru…no Denheaths!
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:36am
  - kiwitoffee
    
    Don’t forget the synagogue, and the Sikh temple. That’s all fine.
    
    But wait until there’s a mosque.
    
    For some reason, things change.
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:05am
    - MickMac
      
      the others don’t want to take over your lives and subject you to their cultural laws.
      
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      January 8, 2019 6:47am
  - Jack5
    
    New Zealand doesn’t rank among the most culturally diverse countries, according to the map in the first link below.
    
    According to the second site linked to, New Zealand isn’t among the world’s 50 most ethnically diverse countries.
    
    Countries’ cultural diversity:
    
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/18/the-most-and-least-culturally-diverse-countries-in-the-world/
    
    Countries’ ethnic diversity:
    
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-ethnically-diverse-countries-in-the-world.html
    
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    January 7, 2019 1:49pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Jack5,
      Countries’ ethnic diversity:
      https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-ethnically-diverse-countries-in-the-world.html
      
      Papua New Guinea, the most ethnically diverse country in the world, with thousands upon thousands of varieties of chocolate…
      
      //
      
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      January 7, 2019 3:38pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Yes, and 25% of the world’s languages, shared amongst 8.5 million people.
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:29pm
- logan0312
  
  Here is what ‘multi-culturalism’ means in practical terms: All cultures are of equal moral value and it is wrong to judge the values of one by the values of another. In practical terms it means that you are wrong to ‘impose’ Western moral codes in determining the moral worth of non-Western ones.
  I had an experience a short time ago related to this. I was discussing the issue with some well educated people who espoused this doctrine. I asked, as one example, whether female genital mutilation was a moral wrong and was told, firmly, that it was entirely appropriate within the context of the culture that practiced it, unless they made a freewill choice to abandon the practise. Similarly the old practice among some Hindu of burning the surviving widow when a man died was to be considered proper within their own countries. I was told such behaviors were not proper within our country as we had specific laws against it. Presumably then if we changed the law to accommodate such practices it they would deem it entirely proper in this country as well.
  When I suggested that our own laws banning such practices were ultimately expressions of a transcendent morality that applied to ALL mankind (aka our traditional understanding of human rights) I was met with polite silence.
  There is much more I could say on this subject, but basically I see it as an assault on traditional Western religious / cultural mores. We are expected to now regard all cultures as having equivalent moral value, regardless of how morally repugnant we might find their other values (or lack of them) and stop trying to impose them on others. Human rights be damned.
  After that conversation I think I came to a clearer understanding of the goals of people propounding ‘multi-culturalism’.
  
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  January 7, 2019 10:29am
  - GoVege
    
    Nicely put, logan.
    The problem with non-western cultures is they have very little respect for the rights of the individual.
    It’s group/mob rule.
    Some of their customs are very nice….but they have a strong pecking order and basically the physically powerful and aggressive get to bully and control the weaker.
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:07am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “Some of their customs are very nice….but they have a strong pecking order and basically the physically powerful and aggressive get to bully and control the weaker.”
      
      Japanese culture has a tendency to do this. The plus side is that if you play your prescribed role, society will look after you, but will be intolerant to deviations.
      
      Even though the mother’s role is still cherished in Japan, the birth rate is way below replacement level. Young Japanese women are well educated, and maybe a little coddled (although not as much as the boys).
      Japanese youth need to harden up and start thinking about nation-building and their obligation to Japanese society. But who’s going to make them?
      
      I’m too old to care. I’ve done my bit. Now it’s up to the youth of Japan to figure out what kind of a society they want for the future.
      
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      January 7, 2019 12:55pm
      - gump
        
        The youth of Japan are making their decision. Child suicide has just reached its highest level in thirty years.
        
        As you say, Japanese society is intolerant of deviations. And its children are suffering as a consequence.
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    A few years ago there was an issue where a Saudi prince was caught taking a new bride out of the country where he had just “married” her. She was 12 at the time.
    
    At that time, I did a little research and found that more of the world’s cultures and religions would accept a “marriage” between a 12 year old girl and a 40 odd year old man than would think it abhorrent. From my current perspective, I think that has not changed much but maybe more now than then think it acceptable.
    
    My father was fond of an old saying, “your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins” and as a man who gave 5 years of his life to defend such assertions, he retained that belief until his death.
    
    I also generally act with that saying in mind, although I treat my nose as being a little longer than his and include my family and close friends as “noses”.
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:39am
    - Morrissey
      
      “Did someone say 12 years old?”
      
      https://www.instagram.com/cjsbishop/
      
      http://media.beam.usnews.com/1d/47/d7f5a173446899808909a5efb751/170202-donaldtrump-editorial.jpg
      
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      January 7, 2019 2:02pm
  - auckwood
    
    Be careful Logan,
    The questions you put forward in your comment could be considered racist & hate speech, as they are similar to the (very important) questions asked by Lauren Southern & Stefan Molyneux who were protested out of the country last year by social justice clowns for being racist and spewing hate speech….
    
    Still yet to find any racist comments or hate speech in any of their content online personally, just rather important questions on values, morals, multi-culturalism etc along the same lines as Logan above….
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:44am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Presumably then if we changed the law to accommodate such practices it they would deem it entirely proper in this country as well.”
    
    Upon which we would have a “multi-legal” society, with different rules for different cultures. What a good way to fragment a nation into factions.
    
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    January 7, 2019 12:50pm
    - logan0312
      
      Arguably that is in effect happening already, at least in other jurisdictions such as Europe and the UK. There it seems the authorities turn a blind eye to cultural practices that fly in the face of their own laws. In the name of multi-culturalism they make a conscious decision to ignore the human rights of residents and not protect victims from abuse and injury.
      So in practice we don’t even have to change our own laws; we just need the authorities to refuse to apply them universally.
      And unfortunately as you see, without a uniformly applied legal standard that is based around a commonly held moral code we will no longer have nations as such, just a return to more primitive tribalism.
      
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      January 7, 2019 12:59pm
      - MH
        
        it all depends on what side of the petri dish you were born from.
        
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        January 7, 2019 1:26pm
    - Paulus
      
      Already well into factions – has been developing surreptitiously for the last 30 years.
      And getting worse.
      
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      January 7, 2019 1:31pm
Pateke

Fancy NSF saving all that up assiduously and waiting for the blog to open so you can drop the drivel in first. Weird.
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January 7, 2019 8:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I just woke up. Are you saying that Notsofast’s been and gone already?
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:28am
  - Biscuit
    
    Careful, Captain.
    
    Someone here may well have saved a copy of the diatribe in question and could easily hit your In Box with it.
    
    Be afraid of any ginormous CLUNK noises!
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:32am
    - Notsofast
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      It is all saved for complete circulation to the people. The bullshit stops here.
      
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      January 7, 2019 8:34am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        The bullshit stops here.
        
        We can but hope 😀
        
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        January 7, 2019 8:55am
      - Notsofast
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Did you read the post? I am lucky, I can read it over and over for pleasure.
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:05am
      - GazzaW
        
        I always suspected that you were afflicted with a degree of narcissism NSF.
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:20am
      - Notsofast
        
        More just smug complacency at being right, endearing I know.
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:43am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Narcissistic personality disorder it is.People with this disorder tend to feel that their views,opinions and ‘ETHICS’ are always right and do not give a slightest chance to understand or even listen to the other person’s views.”
        
        FFS, get help.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:01am
      - GazzaW
        
        The fact that you ‘can read it over and over for pleasure’ (your own words) would indicate a degree of obsession or self-gratification.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:59am
- Notsofast
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  The material in that post was internally consistent, and drawn from a court judgement, and needs a little time to collate.
  Why do you call it drivel? In fact it is deconstructing drivel, drivel that every law student will soon see as drivel.
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:31am
  - starboard
    
    Cant wait Mark.
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:37am
  - fernglas
    
    Post it again. I don’t understand why it, whatever it is, disappeared. Is there some censorship going on or are you just being shouted down?
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:10am
    - JibberJabber
      
      LoL, Stirrer.
      
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      January 7, 2019 9:35am
    - Biscuit
      
      fernglas, you need to
      (1) Realise this is DPF’s blog and he makes the rules.
      (2) Have a good, long look at DPF’s (quite reasonable) Comments Policy, to which there is a link at the foot of each Kiwiblog page.
      
      Pertinent sections:
      * Apart from me, no-one at all has the right to post comments. Posting is a privilege, not a right.
      * Do not make comments that could get myself as publisher, or you, into a defamation suit.
      * I want arguments attacked, not people. As an example it will be unacceptable to call someone a moron, but it will be acceptable to say their argument is moronic. That may seem a fine distinction, but an important one. However don’t try and push the distinction to breaking point. If you say that someone’s argument has the integrity of a syphilitic pygmy (for example), then that would find you with a warning or strike.
      
      Notsofast, you will see, has already received three ‘Strike’ notices:
      1st, 2nd and 3rd strike – 31/7/16
      4th strike – 7/8/17
      
      99.9% of us have received ZERO strikes.
      
      (That said, I see a fair few luminaries in here HAVE made the Naughty Step, heh heh. No-one is perfect. Not even me, though I was last not perfect on a Tuesday in April 1993…)
      
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      January 7, 2019 9:50am
      - fernglas
        
        Having not seen the post, I am unable to comment on why it was removed. If it has been moderated, that’s fine. It’s just that I see a lot of sensible comments on here downticked out of existence, not because of what they said but because of who said it.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:28am
    - Notsofast
      
      I am stating categorically, and arguing logically, by taking elements from the judgement that they are wrong and have dismissed the appeal of an innocent man. Nothing will change that bit of history, but the ramifications for the judiciary flow deep.
      I can’t repost a moderated comment, DPF rightly has control, but effectively I totally challenge the chief justice appointee and her colleagues, and I know history will show how dangerous our system has become for the proper dispensing of justice.
      
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      January 7, 2019 10:10am
      - Tall Man
        
        Well, that’s a surprise……..not.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:27am
- Tall Man
  
  Weird…Good 🙂
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:36am
secondcumming

A Maori mother from Hastings is ‘furious’ that someone would steal a piece of valuable Pounamu from her dead son’s grave. And rightly so. There are some really despicable bastards out there these days!

Christ almighty, the same type of people will even murder innocent dairy owners for a packet of cigarettes.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1081989870208331776
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January 7, 2019 8:13am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Or steal brass plaques from memorials.
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:20am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Well that narrows it down.
  No maori would ever steal pounamu.
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:36am
  - G152
    
    Well since they have control of those areas where NZ Greenstone/Jade is to be found one may have taken exception to a piece escaping
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:48am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I don’t agree, not all know Tikanga or abide by it if they do, otherwise there would not be so many Maori incarcerated.
    
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    January 7, 2019 1:52pm
    - Brian Marshall
      
      I think Shaun was being sarcastic, Rachael.
      
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      January 7, 2019 2:37pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        No, but I have no argument with Rachael.
        Maori are very superstitious about pounamu, but many maori are dissociated from their own culture and wouldn’t know that.
        Fair point, Rachael
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:34pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I know a women who was in a group who robbed the grave of a guy who’s Tangi they were at for the slab of beer they had buried him with after they ran out one night.
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:40am
  - howzit
    
    That just nicely sums up the priorities of the section of the community who’s lifestyle we as a whole, fund.
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:12am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I thought it was wonderfully pragmatic, and I am sure most dead people (when alive) would see the humour of it. Funerals are for the living, not the dead.
      
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      January 7, 2019 9:55am
      - howzit
        
        I see where you are going with this…the cold ones are more important than the cold one
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:04am
  - Colville
    
    Well Labour staffers can steal grog from press pissups…so why not? …. they didnt have to dig up the corpse…. they just had to avoid the corps zombies…
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:26am
    - GazzaW
      
      Wasn’t ILG seen loading the booze into the getaway car during the course of that incident? Not that I feel sorry for the journos as they have notoriously deep pockets and very short arms when it comes to shouting a round of drinks.
      
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      January 7, 2019 11:10am
  - VicParking
    
    It was their 50% of European blood that made them do it
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:27am
  - Morrissey
    
    That sounds like a lie.
    
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    January 7, 2019 2:07pm
hullkiwi

Happy new year all.

During the weekend I read a piece of mindless commentary telling me I should be happy to live in NZ because as of last week our supermarkets stopped using single use plastic bags. My reaction was a bunch of obscenities about the stupidity of the author.

You see on Friday I made the usual summer time trip to the tip to get rid of all the “single use” packaging which our Christmas presents and Boxing Dale sale purchases came encased in. The back of my ute was full of cardboard, plastic wrap, and polystyrene packaging.

While we have a culture of everything being sold to us in layers of packaging, don’t try and tell me how virtuous NZ is because supermarkets have done away with shopping bags. At least shopping bags get used twice in their life unlike the Auckland Council rubbish bags – which are the ultimate single use plastic bag.

With dud policies like above Jimmy 2 mums, and Eugene “Parsley” Sage & the SLG(B), each has the green credentials of Winnie Peters (smoke another cigarette).
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January 7, 2019 8:14am
- Inandout
  
  While on holiday I called into a Countdown supermarket and arrived bagless at the self service checkout. What should I do with my five items I pleaded to the supervisor? ‘Why sir, you can buy a large plastic type bag for $1, or a 15c plastic bag with handles’. So I purchased a plastic bag to carry a plastic milk bottle, some plastic wrapped cheese and bread, kiwifruit in a bubble pack, and some bananas in a plastic bag. Isn’t plastic bloody useful?
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:27am
  - oldpark
    
    Indandout, it gets worse in some ways. We arrived with a load of groceries at one of Countdowns check out counters. The operator gets our bags and then says. Are you going to pack the order. Not on you’re nellie say us. The reason we come to Countdown is we get our groceries packed by Countdown employees. Not like pak’n save . Wonder will this be the new trend now that multi use plastic bags have been eliminated by the far left Lunatic Green Party in accordance with the small town twerp Ardern and her puppet master Peters.
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:49am
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Wonders if we pack out own bags at countdown if we get a discount? Probably not if we take on pak n save reuseable bags, huh?
      
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      January 7, 2019 9:30am
      - G152
        
        Packing plastic wrapped packaging into nonplastic bags isn’t going to solve the problem of discarded plastic wrappings that are going straight into the plastic rubbish bag
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:51am
    - lilman
      
      Do what I do,say no, I take 2 at a time out to the car,takes about 2 trips and when im back all are in plastic bags which I never get charged for,silly but effective.
      
      Play there game but I set the rules
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      January 7, 2019 9:43am
    - auckwood
      
      The other problem I see with this bag bullshit, is the self service checkouts require the scanned items to be placed in bag in the packing area…. Since I have never remembered once to bring a bag or 8 from home, and I dont particularly want to buy more plastic bags that are now useless for bin liners etc due to sizing etc, these self service checkouts are absolutely useless to me. (Not that I really care, I loathe the things) I wonder if countdown will put more staff back on the manual check outs now…. (which are a horrible height/design now if moving lose items from the old bagging area/shelf back into the trolley)
      
      And just to add icing on the cake… I’m now purchasing/using more plastic bags now between bin liners, cleaning up doggy doo & the rear occasions I take lunch to work…. Great work govt!
      
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      January 7, 2019 11:16am
      - GoVege
        
        I hate those self service checkouts!
        It’s not bad enough we get ripped off on prices…we have to work for these supermarkets for free also.
        They should be boycotted!
        
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        January 7, 2019 12:02pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        I agree govege. I do boycott them as it means that’s another persons job gone.
        
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        January 7, 2019 1:20pm
      - GoVege
        
        Good one, NW.
        It’s downright scary how many places are being taken over by these machines.
        Even The Warehouse and K Mart have them, and they must be replacing workers.
        
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        January 7, 2019 1:44pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        The rear occasions that you take lunch to work?Not just mind boggling then.
        
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        January 7, 2019 2:00pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @GoVege @1:44PM
        
        Machines have been replacing workers for more than 200 years, GV. Check out this interesting article about the Luddites: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/when-robots-take-jobs-remember-luddites-180961423/.
        
        People/workers adapted then, and will continue to do so, re. robots, on into the foreseeable future.
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:15pm
    - The Heat
      
      I knew this ban would be idiotic.
      
      I used to use the shopping bags for rubbish. Now I have to buy rubbish bags.
      
      However, the bags they sell are the wrong size. Any idea where I can buy the old, useful sized “single use” bags?
      
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      January 7, 2019 1:33pm
      - GazzaW
        
        There’s a bloke in Martinborough on Trade Me where you can buy them 50 at a time otherwise buy them direct from China from wish.com in packs of 100. Ali Baba probably has them as well.
        
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        January 7, 2019 2:25pm
      - The Heat
        
        Here’s a link to the Chinese site Aliexpress:
        
        https://www.aliexpress.com/item/50pcs-lot-26-37cm-Transparent-Bags-Shopping-Bag-Supermarket-Plastic-Bags-With-Handle-Food-Packaging/32801622251.html
        
        They are $2.80 (US) for 50. Shipping is 13 cents (US) to NZ.
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:57pm
      - GazzaW
        
        The Greens will no doubt move to make the importation of plastic bags for private use illegal at the same time as they legalise cannabis. What a weird mob they are.
        
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        January 7, 2019 6:07pm
      - Tall Man
        
        The two Councils in our area no longer sell rubbish bags at all. “Get a bin” they say. Go fuck yourself say I…
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:07pm
  - GoVege
    
    ‘Tis! (Useful.)
    I’ve bought heaps of those 15c bags…not one has broken yet.
    And you can rinse them with hot or even boiling water to clean them.
    Stop whinging guys! 🙂
    
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    January 7, 2019 12:27pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Went to the supermarket…took lovely Aldi bags but came home with 7 plastic bags in addition. Tomatoes, apples, onions, potatoes, meat X 2, beans.
      
      Great policy.
      
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      January 7, 2019 7:10pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    I&O:
    
    You could ask them to recycle a box to put your groceries in.
    Someone would have to rush out the back and reinstate one of the cartons the shelf stackers have to flatten so they can be recycled.
    
    It would be irritating at the checkout, but it would be sooo greeen!
    And after all, green is what this is all about … right?
    
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    January 7, 2019 2:43pm
- KiWombat
  
  I have taken to packing groceries in the green carry baskets at Countdown since they stopped supplying plastic bags. On only one occasion was I challenged for taking their green baskets. Currently I have 5 of these useful baskets in my workshop, they stack neatly on a shelf and hold paint brushes and rollers, electrical bits ‘n pieces, plumbing bits ‘n pieces, small paint pots and rags & cleaning stuff.
  
  Sooner or later they will realise that the cost of their basket losses is greater than the plastic bags saved !
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:24am
  - artemisia
    
    The cost to supermarkets is more than lost baskets. Factor in the extra time taken by checkout operators to explain about bags, collect and respond to grumpy comments, pack into grubby (or worse) own bags, clean down the counter from same bags, try to catch the odd mouse or cockroach that jumps out at them as has been reported …
    
    And it is not only supermarkets. all other retailers, large and small, will be forbidden to use most plastic bags. What will they do? Can’t even wrap neatly in newspaper as not only almost no broadsheets any more, not many newspapers either.
    
    How about huge rolls of white butcher paper – the paper that butchers have long since flagged in favour of ….?
    
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    January 7, 2019 12:15pm
    - Brian Marshall
      
      Factor in the impulse buying that will be forgone too. I do the shopping in my house hold and usually the one that picks up stuff on the way home, from the supermarket. Suddenly I don’t feel like picking up that extra thing anymore since I may not have room in the one bag I have with me.
      Worst government ever….
      
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      January 7, 2019 2:44pm
      - Inandout
        
        Me as well, I know exactly how much I can pack into old plastic bags, and I won’t buy any more goods. I must say I used to impulse buy on almost all supermarket visits where my wife instructed me to buy just milk and bread; no more.
        
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        January 7, 2019 3:04pm
    - GazzaW
      
      ……think of all that industrial bleach used to whiten that paper. Just great for the environment.
      
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      January 7, 2019 4:14pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Better on the bum though than the scratchy brown stuff…isn’t it softail 1450 🙂
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:02pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Will National have the gonads to overturn this policy?
  
  Me thinks they do not.
  
  We are so lost because we, as a country, are too nice, too soft and way too many are too gullible.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:29am
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s not really a political issue more of a “virtue signal” from stupid people of all political persuasions.
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:45am
  - artemisia
    
    National could keep the policy but make it voluntary and add some education about turtles.
    
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    January 7, 2019 12:16pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Will National have the gonads to overturn ~~this policy~~ any of the COL’s stupid and damaging policies?
      
      Not a fucking chance.
      
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      January 7, 2019 1:41pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Can’t read obviously or can’t absorb what you read.
        
        http://www.national.org.nz/national_would_pull_nz_out_of_un_migration_pact
        
        or are you just a labour hack trying to make mischief?
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:01pm
- Fletch
  
  This bag stuff pisses me off no end. I see that Pak ‘N Sav has even stopped selling the yellow bags now and instead offer the thicker (worse for the environment) plastic ones for 15c, similar to the ones Countdown sells, or a paper bag for 20c. I can’t get over the stupidity of all this crap. We are being denied choice for the sake of feelgood ideologies.
  
  To add to that, most places have stopped accepting the bags for recycling because the recycling centres can’t handle it. And it’s the thicker bags that will need recycling most, I reckon, as the public tended to recycle the thinner ones themselves. They’ve shot themselves in the foot.
  
  I notice that Countdown seem to be out of most of the brands of flushable wipes. I wonder if those will be the next things banned.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:49am
  - waikatogirl
    
    “Flushable” wipes are not flushable. The packaging has been changed to remove this misnomer.
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:57am
    - Fletch
      
      Yeh, well, I’m going to keep flushing mine. No way I’m going to put shitty tissues in a separate bag for disposal.
      
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      January 7, 2019 10:02am
      - GoVege
        
        A relative of mine ended up with a sewerage leak using those, Fletch.
        (Produced some massive tomatoes though.)
        Just lather up some tp with soap or shower more often. 🙂
        
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        January 7, 2019 12:07pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Can’t be bothered stressing about this issue. Chinese shopping websites feature supermarket plastic bags for between $2 and $7 per hundred depending on their size. We now have 500 in the kitchen and in our car boots and life goes on as before ie dual use from shopping to lining the kitchen and bathroom bins.
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:26am
  - lifesgood
    
    The thing that angers me more than anything about this plastic bag nonsense is that as far as the supermarkets are concerned it was never about saving the environment, it was about improving their profits. I saw a figure that quoted umpteen millions they were saving by not giving away plastic bags. Unfortunately they have been aided and abetted by our utterly useless government. If the supermarkets reduced their prices to reflect their saving on plastic bags it would be a start…but, of course, they won’t. They are laughing all the way to the bank. I recommend going to Farros (pricey, I know) but just buy a couple of things. They give away free BIODEGRABABLE bags which you can then use at a supermarket. Why can’t the supermarkets use these bags? Oh, that’s right, profits.
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:30am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Fletch, recycling centres stopped accepting plastic bags because there were too many biodegradable bags causing a problem.
    I kid you not.
    The second sensible solution would have been to require all bags to be biodegradable.
    The first sensible solution would have been to have put a rocket up those shit-hole countries that are causing the ‘plastic bags in oceans’ problem and will continue to do no matter what we carry our groceries home in.
    
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    January 7, 2019 2:56pm
Inandout

So the slow moving object burning up in the sky on Saturday night was a breaking up satellite, as I announced to a gathered audience. I was roundly condemned for my observation as the object was ‘definitely a comet’. It seems I was correct.
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January 7, 2019 8:17am
- Biscuit
  
  I thought that too watching the shots the TV cameras took at the Cricket in Tauranga, Inandout.
  
  A quick Google search:
  
  Space Debris and Human Spacecraft. More than 500,000 pieces of debris, or “space junk,” are tracked as they orbit the Earth. They all travel at speeds up to 17,500 mph, fast enough for a relatively small piece of orbital debris to damage a satellite or a spacecraft.
  
  That is dated Sep 26, 2013.
  
  Probably more up there now, right?
  
  And what goes up must come down…
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:21am
- Colville
  
  Russian 2007 military satellite.
  
  We were sitting on the beach in front of the house with a fire…early in the evening and still very light…it was a good show for sure.
  
  A couple of glasses later I would have assumed I was seeing things!
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:33am
- Bill felt
  
  I have it from high up that the incident is actually a really good metaphor for the COL this year!
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:38am
- freemark
  
  Saw one back in ‘87 or ‘88 from a bush camp out by Wiluna WA. Apparently “landed” not too far from us – it was huge, bright and very fast.
  
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  January 7, 2019 7:13pm
secondcumming

IN *BREAKING* NEWS….

Sydney’s Opal Tower.
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January 7, 2019 8:17am
Sofia

Also, too early?

Because one day I want to be able to tell my child that I earned the right to stand here and only you can tell me when I have done that – Jacinda Ardern, Waitangi powhiri speech, last February 5

From elsewhere – Until Maori stop blaming white people and colonisation for everything that happens to them, and start to realise they are responsible for their own lives and their own outcomes, Maori will still be represented in all the wrong statistics and nothing will change.

Charter or partnership schools were benefiting a number of Maori students who were failed by the State education model. Those schools were so regarded as an education taonga that their demise is now subject of a Waitangi Tribunal claim, which if conducted properly should find that Labour Maori Caucus inaction over the issue is as much to blame as any other factor in their loss.

Rather than any support for the schools, the Maori Caucus was seemingly more blindly supportive of ex-Minister Meka Whaitiri.

And that incident – a verbal berating apparently loud enough to leave bruising on a staff member, visible in photographic evidence – occurred because Whaitiri was unhappy at not being alerted to a photo opportunity at a media standup with Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern during a lunch break at a function in Gisborne – a lost chance to be seen in her supposed importance in the line-up behind the Labour leadership.

Possibly never before in New Zealand history have Maori been more fully represented in Parliament – a Maori is Deputy Prime Minister, Labour Deputy Leader and one party has all the Special Seats – but to just piss so much power and mana into the wind …

Keeping the education tail out of jail, or seeking a selfie with Jacinda.

Jacinda, who last February 5, eve of Waitangi Day, said –
… As a government, we know what we have to do, we know all of the failings that we have as a nation, but we won’t always know exactly how to change it. For that we will come to you, we will ask you to help us, we will form partnerships together because we cannot do it alone. And I can guarantee you particularly as this government goes out to hui amongst everyone, that there will be no marae too small for us, there will be no marae where we don’t ask for that help and to work alongside us.

But they didn’t – not on partnership schools.

Have politicians, including those of Maori decent, spent so long now telling us all that Maori will occupy the lowest levels of any negative statistic, that their own Maori performance is inevitably prophecy fulfilling too.

Maori may have suffered some deprivations in so-called colonisation – about 180 years ago – but is it not them who are colonising themselves again?

Jacinda ended last year’s Waitangi speech with –
… we have to now go forth from this place and prove to all of you. So when we return, in one year, in three years, I ask you to ask of us what we have done. Ask us how we have given dignity back to your whanau, ask us what we have done to improve poverty for tamariki, ask us what we have done to give rangatahi opportunities and jobs, ask us, hold us to account. Because one day I want to be able to tell my child that I earned the right to stand here and only you can tell me when I have done that. So for now I finish with wise words I’ve heard from Ngāi Tahu before:
Mō tātou, ā, mō kā uri, ā muri ake nei – for us and for our children after us.

This year will she include –
… and sorry about the taonga of partnership schools. But talk to the Labour Maori Caucus about that …

But I guess now we must await the case before the Waitangi Tribunal
– to see if partnership schools are valid, or if the Tribunal is.
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January 7, 2019 8:18am
- hullkiwi
  
  Sofia a good commentary. But you need to catch up.
  
  This year is 250th anniversary of Cook’s first voyage to Aust and NZ and it is all his fault for the colonization and the harm done to the indigenous peoples of NZ & Australia.
  
  We have to blame somebody for not taking responsibility for our lives.
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:26am
  - Sofia
    
    Thank you, Hullkiwi, for the update, but I would contend that it is more important to recognise who is “colonising” Maori for the second time – largely themselves – than the first.
    
    Years ago interviewer-supremo Brian Edwards spoke to US visitor Charles Colson, Watergate felon who became an evangelical leader after his time in prison revealed to him a disproportionate jail representation of African-Americans, just as Maori are here.
    
    It was Colson who said that, in US history, the Civil War freed African-Americans from slavery, but since then, continually emphasising their under-achievement in every social statistic, enslaved them again – and it could be argued pretty that Maori here are re-colonised in a similar way.
    
    And in 2018, it is not James Cook who is doing it.
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:47am
    - Morrissey
      
      Quoting Charles Colson, that slimy psychopath. Quoting him APPROVINGLY?
      
      ???!!!?
      
      Congratulations, “Sofia”: you’ve already posted up what is not just one of the stupidest comments, but possibly the most depraved comment of the year.
      
      Fun Fact: The name Sofia means “wisdom.”
      
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      January 7, 2019 2:14pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Well Morrissey, if anyone would know what a “slimy psychopath” is, it’d be you.
      
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      January 7, 2019 4:53pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Ooooh, I think everyone in the world with an I.Q. above room temperature would recognize Colson to be nothing more than scum.
        
        Not the ironically named “Sofia”, though.
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:37pm
holysheet

A 60 year old millionaire is getting married and throws a big wedding reception.
His friends are quite jealous and in a quiet moment one of them asks him how did he land such a hot 26 year old beauty?
“Simple,” grins the millionaire, “I faked my age.”
His friends are really amazed and ask him how much he said.
“Well”, he replied. “I said I was 87!”
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January 7, 2019 8:23am
Surely Knott

Is this seriously a sign at a festival drug testing station in NZ? Sign one – “Harm Reduction, smiley face/sad face, Know Your Stuff.” Second sign underneath, “Personally I am hugely supportive, HON Jacinda Ardern PM.” 3rd Sign underneath “FREE. ” – “Personally I am hugely supportive “….of what?!! . Drugs at festivals? Free stuff? Because it feels like you are the personal sponsor and promoting drug taking. Will they put Labour Logos on the free hypodermic needles and consumption rooms also, so at least drug users will know who to vote for. It’s certainly an interesting political strategy – why bother with the slow public process of changing the law, instead just some law free zones with your political endorsement so drug users know your drug positive without upsetting the oldies. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56651420e4b0c4c432a531ac/t/5ac1f875758d46335c37703b/1522729473993/Know+Your+Stuff.jpg?format=1500w
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January 7, 2019 8:34am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Read between the lines… She is supportive of Clarke “E – Emirates” lawnmowing business. The Dud Cheque, Pornstar Name “friend” and the Hells Angels ( I assume one of the gangs, so I’ll start with them) all need her personal support to ensure the Top Cop ensures there are no ongoing investigations…..
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:22am
secondcumming

To be honest, I’ve never really been into tennis.

So when my missus said a business associate of hers had invited a few people to join them in their Corporate Box for the *ASB Women’s Final*, I was just a little reluctant to accept. But when she told me they’d arrange a limo to collect us and drop us back home, and there would be a full champagne dinner laid on, I thought ‘fuck it, may as well go’.

Now the missus tells me, it’s all MY FAULT if she never gets invited back again!
Just as the evening was coming to an end, the hostess asked me, “What I’d thought of the tennis?”. Apparently, “great camel-toe”, wasn’t the right answer.

WIMMIN!!
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January 7, 2019 8:39am
Morrissey

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Pervert Alert

Beware of the following Kiwibloggers, who have chosen to post salacious and offensive material on this site….

1.) KevOB: “Both my wives have been high quality breeding stock. The present one, not a dog, does wear a dog collar.”

2.) Tall Man: “I felt some titties back in the 2000’s and the 90’s…”

3.) stephieboy: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COyv96HWsAAxx5z.jpg
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January 7, 2019 8:44am
- Rich Prick
  
  You’re weird.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:06am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Worse than weird. He’s fucked in the head.
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:16am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Weird but with a few brain cells to rub together. Draws a long bow but doesn’t spew garbage like some other commentators. Feel free to rove me wrong.
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:44am
- JibberJabber
  
  Ur supposed to keep ur “Swingers Club” membership secret.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:40am
- Tall Man
  
  Bye bye.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:50am
Maggy Wassilieff

What was offensive about KevOB’s post?
He has told us he is a father.
He has told us he lost his first wife to Cancer (I think)
He has told us his 2nd wife is a Minister of the Church.
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January 7, 2019 8:48am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Dead right Maggie. There’s nothing whatsoever offensive or salacious about that extract from KevOB.
  
  If however one was to post a list of the “salacious and offensive material” Morrissey has posted on DPF’s blog, it would be a very long list indeed. The irony of that however is probably lost on Mr Breen.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:00am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Keeping Stock, but not towards me!
    
    Hypocrite much!
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:16am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I hadn’t bothered to follow the link stephie. I have now, and agree that Morrissey is showing a fine turn of hypocrisy.
      
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      January 7, 2019 9:32am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Not follow it? How convenient!!
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:39am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Not convenient at all stephie. Most of the links Morrissey posts are to bizarre, far-fetched stuff, and I don’t need that in my life.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:17am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Yeah, but ur a fuckwit.
      
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      January 7, 2019 9:41am
    - pentwig
      
      but you deserve it stoopidboy
      it is called karma
      you are the author of your own downfall
      stop crying
      
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      January 7, 2019 10:27am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, shock, horror. You omitted the last item on that list!
  
  Why? Do you believe it?
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Stephie Morning, Terrible last picture, to think that you would let your goats get up on next doors car.
    Disgrace on you.
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:38am
  - pentwig
    
    stoopidthing – “why doesn’t anybody love me”
    
    sob,sob
    
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    January 7, 2019 10:31am
- KevOB
  
  Thanks. My late wife did die of cancer. I was only 18 and married her 6 weeks after our meeting. Her IQ was off the scale but she preferred being a mother to being a don.
  I was taking a daughter to my present wife for singing lessons for six years when the first died. Twenty one months later we married. Again we knew on our initial lesson we were compatible despite our age difference. Our 18th wedding anniversary is later this month. We have three delightful children–the youngest 12 and the oldest 17 is to be married this September.
  I have been and continue to be truly blessed. My wife is a Deacon in the Anglican Church.
  
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  January 7, 2019 5:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Morrissey’s foul accusation has disappeared.
    
    He owes you an apology.
    
    His research skills are crap.
    
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    January 7, 2019 6:05pm
Scott

Apparently Donald Trump has been criticised for claiming that walls do work and that former President Obama has a 10 foot wall outside his house. The Washington post fact checkers say that Obama’s wall is not 10 foot high and so Trump is lying. This is important because Trump wants a high wall on the southern border to keep out illegal immigrants and drugs and gangs from entering the United States. His critics say that walls don’t work.

Well a fact checker of the fact checkers could not ascertain whether Obama has a 10 foot wall outside his house. That is because Obama has multiple barriers, multiple walls and armed security officers stopping people from getting to within 500 feet of his house!

So Obama has many walls and many security officers stopping people from getting within 500 feet of his house. However he also claims that a wall on the southern border will not work??

Actually the reason why Obama and other Liberals don’t want a wall on the southern border is that they are afraid that it will work. Liberals want illegal immigration because they know that 80% of illegals will eventually vote Democrat.

The need for a secure border is an important issue all around the world including New Zealand. We want to control who lives here and who comes into our country. Many people want to go to the USA and live there. Likewise many people want to go to New Zealand and live here. So we should choose good people who are going to add to our country and assimilate into our society.

Without secure borders you do not have a country.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/01/hello-walls.php
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January 7, 2019 8:51am
- kiwitoffee
  
  Quite right.
  
  Allowing unbridled or illegal immigration is a form of national suicide.
  
  Even Mrs Merkel now thinks so and Mr Macron, despite his Gallic arrogance, will eventually wake up to this fact.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:01am
- igm
  
  Scott: I sincerely hope your post is conveyed to “The Harridan”, Toxic Gnome, and The Sleeze.
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2019/01/kiwi-terrorist-of-the-day/
  We have enough problems already.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:02am
  - stephieboy
    
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    igm, seriously? 2008! 11 years ago. Our only terrorist incident!
    
    Sheesh!
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/109284674/christchurch-teen-who-plotted-terrorist-attack-given-more-freedom
      
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      January 7, 2019 9:32am
      - stephieboy
        
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        MW,” plotted.” As opposed acting on it and putting it into action!
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:37am
      - Jack5
        
        Two other southern attacks might count as terrorism.
        
        The first when a Somali woman slashed the hands of the pilot of a regional plane Christchurch bound as she attempted to hijack it.
        
        The second, when a Somali youth stabbed people in the streets of Christchurch before being shot by police.
        
        Then there was the case of the two Australians allegedly radicalised in the Christchurch mosque before being killed by US drones in Yemen.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10491291
        and:
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/6583958/Somali-family-offers-sympathy
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:42am
      - Monique Watson
        
        The pilot handled the situation like a boss. You’re an idiot SB. She had business in mind. lane was full.
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:50am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Jack 5, ” might”,” maybe” as opposed to actually, factually ??.
        
        The poster who informed us that Dunedin is in danger of becoming the Medina of the South Pacific!
        
        Wow!
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:01am
      - kowtow
        
        “Multiculturalism” , it’s so enriching.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:02am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      At any one time over
      the past three years, between 30 and 40 people have
      been listed on NZSIS’s counter-terrorism risk register.
      These individuals are assessed to represent an actual
      or potential threat to New Zealand related to terrorism,
      for example, those seeking to carry out a domestic
      terror attack, foreign terrorist fighters, or individuals
      providing financial or facilitation support.
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2017-12/GCSB%20and%20NZSIS_0.PDF
      
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      January 7, 2019 9:39am
      - stephieboy
        
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        MW, that might be true but we are speaking of actual acts of terrorism. Not possible or potential.
        
        Do you seriously believe Asha Ali Abdille has the profile of a Daesh / ISIS or Al Queada Terrorist?
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11545341
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:45am
      - Jack5
        
        Another roster change at Stephiestani Trolls Ltd.
        
        Today’s Stephie’s grammar is higher than his/her colleagues’ usual standard, and the idiom is less Stephiestani, and the tone more aggressive.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:21am
    - VicParking
      
      I Assume Stephie that “Our” in your post refers to you and Asha Ali Abdille.
      
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      January 7, 2019 9:41am
    - Colville
      
      jack5
      
      I wouldn’t count those as terrorism…they (were) are? both just fucked in the head.
      
      but Valerie Morse and Tame Iti running about in Te Urewera blowing shit up and planning on shooting politicians….that I would count as terrorism.
      
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      January 7, 2019 10:05am
      - Sideoiler
        
        ….but Valerie Morse and Tame Iti running about in Te Urewera blowing shit up and planning on shooting politicians….that I would count as terrorism.
        
        And yet none of those arrested were convicted under the newly enacted terrorisim laws, most odd.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:17am
      - Jack5
        
        Colville, perhaps … but when there’s a terrorist attack usually the first Muslim propaganda is it was the work of a deranged/isolated/sick/ loner – not a real terrorist.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:18am
      - fernglas
        
        Sideoiler, there’s no mystery to it. The Solicitor General had to approve the Terrorism charges, he said the law as it stood was impossible to apply, so refused to approve them. It later went to the Law Commission who said there was nothing they could do to make the laws more comprehensible or easy to apply, that they were fine as they were, and as a result they have not been changed.
        
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        January 7, 2019 1:37pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        @ fernglas, I didn’t think it particularly mysterious that none were convicted under the terrorisim laws, it struck me at the time that the plod thought it might be a good idea to give this shiny new piece of legislation a bit of an outing, an egregious abuse of power in my humble opinion.
        I have no sympathy with Iti, Bailey or Singer, but the plod overstepped the mark badly and senior members of the plod hierarchy should have been severely reprimanded.
        I was fortunate enough to take two bottles of good Islay malt off an aquaintence when I wagered that none of the accused would be convicted under the legislation.
        
        there’s no mystery to it. The Solicitor General had to approve the Terrorism charges, he said the law as it stood was impossible to apply, so refused to approve them….
        
        Yet not all of the information gathered using the warrants issued under the legislation was ruled inadmisable.
        
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        January 7, 2019 4:19pm
    - igm
      
      No, the point is this piece of Muslim filth should have been deported.
      
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      January 7, 2019 10:29am
    - pentwig
      
      ah stoopidthing
      NZ’s very own terrorist apologist
      
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      January 7, 2019 10:36am
- MCos
  
  NZ doesn’t have ‘secure’ borders’ inasmuch as anyone can fly here, well almost anyone, and not leave again when they’re supposed to. Immigration keeps a list of around fourteen thousand such people.
  BTW
  That’s about 5-10% of the rate of America’s problem.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:43am
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, and then you have Nancy Pelosi saying on camera that “walls are immoral”? WTF? And this woman is Speaker of the House again…..
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:59am
  - Batman
    
    Fletch, I’m pretty sure Trump used this phrase just the other day.
    
    What they mean is that walls don’t lean one way or other. They are an inanimate object without feelings, and thus, immoral.
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:38am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Methinks you are confusing ‘immoral’ with ‘amoral’.
      
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      January 7, 2019 12:03pm
  - Paulus
    
    Pelosi is the best thing that could happen in the USA and Trump should be delighted with this.
    68% of the latest Polls support Trump keeping illegal immigrants out and Pelosi is against that.
    Can the Democrats be so stupid ?
    Looks like it.
    
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    January 7, 2019 1:39pm
  - tf78
    
    Have you seen the walls around Pelosi’s house/home/castle – it’s like the Great Wall of China.
    
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    January 7, 2019 6:05pm
- tf78
  
  I watched a doco on Prime last night on the Mediterranean. The host traveled to Cyprus/Turkey, Lebanon, Israel and The Gaza Strip – some of the cities had huge walls which cut main streets and cities totally in half, separating families just as the Berlin Wall did. Very interesting program if you can find it somewhere.
  Israel looks beautiful – so green compliments of a huge desalination plant, their technology ability is amazing.
  
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  January 7, 2019 10:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I just watched the first part (had to go off watering trees) where Simon Reeve interviewed a Lebanese priest who told how Christian communities are disappearing from the Levant.
    
    Setting off from a snowy mountain ski resort in Cyprus, Simon finds an island and a capital city still deeply divided between Turkish Cypriots in the north and Greek Cypriots in the south. Simon joins the UN troops who patrol the line that separates the two sides, one of the world’s longest-running peacekeeping missions. From Cyprus, Simon heads to the Middle East, a region of the Mediterranean that’s also no stranger to conflict and division. In Lebanon, Simon explores a country of breathtaking landscapes, with spectacular coastline, soaring mountains and a sacred valley known as the Qadisha, a holy site for Lebanese Christians. Staying overnight in an abandoned monastery carved into the rock face, Simon learns that in a Muslim-dominated Middle East, Christians are facing persecution and numbers are collapsing.
    http://docuwiki.net/index.php?title=Mediterranean_with_Simon_Reeve
    
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    January 7, 2019 10:15am
    - stephieboy
      
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      MW, one of the main reasons that Christian Communities are in decline is because of civil war. Notably, the Lebanese civil wars that saw an exodus of the once flourishing Maronite Christians of whom many became identified with the Falangists responsible for many acts of terror against the Muslim population.
      
      Read more about it here ,
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14649284
      
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      January 7, 2019 10:27am
      - Twinkletoes
        
        Ever heard of Damour, Stevie? A coastal Christian town on the coast of Lebanon eradicated ( and all the population killed) by muslim shelling.
        
        Lebanon was a majority Xian country after WW2 until the Palestinian refugees who resided there and Hezbollah decided it should be another Islamic hellhole.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:37am
      - stephieboy
        
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        That has nothing on the Sabra and Shatila massacres by Christian Right Wing Militias,
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
        
        and
        
        https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/shatila-massacre-the-american-witness-who-returns-to-beirut-every-year-to-remember-1.661187
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:41am
      - Jack5
        
        I’ve posted this link before on Kiwiblog but it is still relevant – the discrimination against Middle East Christians in the refugee system:
        
        https://www.nzcatholic.org.nz/2017/03/20/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination/
        
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        January 7, 2019 11:08am
      - tf78
        
        Stephieboy – Simon actually stayed the night in one of the Maronite Monasteries caves high up in the hills. Quite eerie but fascinating.
        
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        January 7, 2019 11:31am
      - The Heat
        
        It’s amusing that Stephie posts the exact same thing, nearly every post:
        
        “Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.”
        
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        January 7, 2019 6:08pm
    - kowtow
      
      The show was very informative.
      
      Cheap power for the desalinator making producing fresh water out of sea water viable……
      
      100 years ago 1 in 7 in the Middle East was a Christian , today 1 in 20.
      
      So while it is acceptable for Muslim countries to have no ‘diversity’ , the west must embrace same , including millions of Muslims whose own countries are increasingly and proudly mono cultural .
      
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      January 7, 2019 1:41pm
- MH
  
  reminds me of the Goon Show and how thick were the walls of Sevastopol….
  
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  January 7, 2019 12:29pm
Lee C

Morrissey does a great job, stepping up to fill the void until we get ourselves a ‘pathological attention-seeker’ alert.
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January 7, 2019 8:53am
starboard

“Morrissey
Pervert Alert”

Pot, meet kettle.
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January 7, 2019 8:54am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Shouldn’t it be, “Pol, meet Pot”?
  
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  January 7, 2019 3:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

One of Pete George’s posts (and other folks’ posts) has disappeared into a moderating black hole…
https://yournz.org/2019/01/07/more-moderation-at-kiwiblog/
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January 7, 2019 9:00am
- Keeping Stock
  
  There was a time a year or so ago that Pete George was conducting the blogging equivalent of forensic examinations of every post Cameron Slater was putting up.
  
  With Slater now seemingly sidelined at Whaleoil for whatever reason, it seems that Pete has turned his attention towards DPF. It’s all a little creepy and obsessive for mine, and makes me glad I no longer blog.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:03am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Pete George, Morrissey and Muttonbird complaining about moderation at KB!
    ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:11am
  - graham
    
    There was a time a year or so ago that Pete George was conducting the blogging equivalent of forensic examinations of every post Cameron Slater was putting up.
    
    Moved on from forensic analysis of lprent’s posts at The Standard, did he?
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:21am
  - Paulus
    
    Heard that Slater has had a serious medical event.
    Whilst I dislike his views I hope he gets the best treatment and gets well.
    
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    January 7, 2019 1:43pm
- secondcumming
  
  I thought Pete George had his own blog to run?
  Maybe he’s just getting bored shitless with all those ‘pukeko’ vids……
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:09am
  - starboard
    
    Maybe he should join forces with PhilU, Reddy and Whale Blubber. Make one big shitty blog instead of 4 little ones.
    
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    January 7, 2019 10:14am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Moderating on KB =”Mob censorship in action at Kiwiblog’?
  
  https://yournz.org/2019/01/05/mob-censorship-in-action-at-kiwiblog/
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:56am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Lol. It’s not mob censorship -it’s democratic crowd sourcing of the moderation. And it’s a blog for grown ups so we don’t need to be protected from ideas, generally. We can just downtick to show the unpopularity of a certain idea. Pete George a few weeks ago was saying how great the Standard is and again how Kiwiblog is not well moderated! Lol, then go to the Standard and read from the heavily censored opinions available. But it’s summer holidays. I hope DPF is off in the sun spending some time with his family and young son.
    
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    January 7, 2019 10:11am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Surely Knott. oh, come on. Only consistently certain individuals ( including me) are put into moderation most often only for the flimsiest of pretexts.
      
      That can only mean one thing- belated attempts at controlling debate!
      
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      January 7, 2019 10:49am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Or;
        You’re just a rude little c**t who smears more than he debates so you get downticked until you disappear.
        Good job.
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:53am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed . con,
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZe5zhtsKLY
        
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        January 7, 2019 11:03am
      - Swifty
        
        Hey, just the other day you were moaning about people addressing you as something other than Stephieboy – and here you are doing it yourself again.
        
        You’re not a steaming hypocrite are you?
        
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        January 7, 2019 12:07pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        “Only consistently certain individuals ( including me) are put into moderation most often only for the flimsiest of pretexts.”
        
        Or it is because you make offensive statements.
        
        Hasn’t anyone told you before sb that just because you believe something doesn’t make it true! ?
        
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        January 7, 2019 12:56pm
      - Tall Man
        
        As a twice banned poster on stuff, I feel I have some expertise in this area. stuff continually block any message they feel destroys the narrative of their “reporters” story. I call it story because it seldom bears any relationship with either the news or the truth.
        
        I learned from stuff that:
        
        1) maori were never cannibals
        
        2) that maori did “not” go to England in 1835 to beseech the King to provide “protection” for peaceful tribes from the more warlike…ngapuhi etc.
        
        3) that the “rewritten” treaty was “exactly” the same as the original, despite promising maori “sovereignty over every living and inert thing in New Zealand either already known or yet to be discovered..and…
        
        4) most importantly that neither any of their “journalists” nor regular and highly supported left wing posters are idiots.
        
        So steffy, be grateful that you get an opportunity to post your insignificant “comments”, albeit short lived generally, rather than be treated like all contrary posts when they become prevalent on stuff.
        
        ardern is a liar.
        
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        January 7, 2019 1:03pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Our good friend and colleague “Tall Man” tells us he’s “a twice banned poster on stuff.”
        
        Well, excuu-u-u-u-u-use me if I fail to applaud. See, this writer, i.e. moi, has been banned SEVEN TIMES from The Standard, banned FOR LIFE by Brian Edwards, and banned FOR LIFE from Whale Oil. I’ve also been warned, threatened, suppressed, moderated and downvoted SCORES of times on the site you are presently perusing.
        
        Twice banned from Stuff? Give us a BREAK, you tryhard.
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        What do you think that says about you Morrissey?
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:51pm
      - Morrissey
        
        What do you think that says about you Morrissey?
        
        In a funny sort of way, witfys, I think it says THIS….
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWtUVDG5M1w
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:21pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Call it ‘democratic crowd-sourcing of moderation’ if you like, but the result of reporting some comments into oblivion (as distinct from downticking, which still lets people see comments if they really want) is censorship of some contributors to a blog whose attraction includes its lack of censorship.
      
      Several contributors to KB have reached default status of don’t-read-past-the-first-sentence (or the rest of the thread) as far as I’m concerned, but I’d rather decide for myself than have would-be censors decide for me.
      
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      January 7, 2019 12:55pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Which is when you “click” to view the “hidden” comments. It would be nice if stuff had the courage to do a similar thing but they actively distort the narrative.
        
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        January 7, 2019 1:06pm
      - Pete George
        
        Tall Man – it’s not the hidden comments due to down ticks that are the problem.
        
        There seems to be semi organised reporting (clicking REPORT) that, if several clicks are registered, puts a comment into moderation, so it isn’t visible until it is released from moderation by presumably DPF. This can take some time, like a day.
        
        This doesn’t just hide the reported comment in the moderation queue, it also appears to hide all comments in the thread below the reported comment.
        
        This system was put in place by DPF to make it easier to report abusive and defamatory comments that have long been a problem here. It is a good idea, but some have been abusing this by malicious reporting. It amounts to mob censorship.
        
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        January 7, 2019 3:06pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        I think Pete George only posts here to invite readers over to his own blog. Probably got scrubbed for link-whoring.
        
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        January 7, 2019 3:21pm
      - Pete George
        
        Shaun the sheep – I think you’re wrong.
        
        I posted things that I thought would be of interest to some here (and they were going by comments and ticks), and linked back to more detail. That’s common practice, and DPF has never indicated he has any problem with it.
        
        With the comments reported over the last couple of days DPF eventually released them so obviously had no problem with them. This shows they were reported without good cause.
        
        Accusations of ‘link whoring’ are most often just a form of trying to discredit comments and linked information. About the only problem with link whoring here are those who abuse the ‘Report’function by claiming it. It is anti-free speech here.
        
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        January 7, 2019 3:30pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Your post contained a link to your own site.
        Link-whoring.
        
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        January 7, 2019 3:39pm
      - Pete George
        
        Linking to a source is normal practice, especially when there is more detail there.
        
        In the site Comments Policy – https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy – there is no indication that linking to a source is a problem. I have never seen DPF say not to do it. I have had a strike for doing it.
        
        Accusations of ‘link whoring’ amounts to a form of trolling to try to disrupt or discredit or censor. Reporting ‘link whoring’ seems to me to be an abuse of site processes. It is used to try to suppress free speech, something that is against the pro-free speech principles of Kiwiblog.
        
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        January 7, 2019 3:48pm
      - Swifty
        
        The Costanza Defence PG?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RvNS7JfcMM
        
        Really?
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:20pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Linking to a source is linking to a source.
        Linking to your own blog is link-whoring.
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:40pm
      - Pete George
        
        You are making up a problem that doesn’t exist here. Linking to a source is not against the Comments Policy, and I have never seen DPF say it is an issue.
        
        You haven’t given any evidence that it is a problem. So it is a made up problem used to attack comments or commenters, and at times to censor comments and comment threads.
        
        You can repeat a hissy label as much as you like, but it doesn’t make it a moderation issue here – apart from being a misuse of moderation by some numpties who try to abuse free speech principles.
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:56pm
      - KevOB
        
        DPF maintains this site well. There is enough freedom but we do have a handful who would be disruptive of good order. The Report function is for rare use but that handful aim to disrupt. I will report for gratuitous extreme bad language and promotion of Islamic violence. Promoting other web sites is bad manners.
        
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        January 7, 2019 6:47pm
- graham
  
  It’s been quite a while since I last visited Pete’s blog, but I do know that he’s become quite notorious over the years for trying to tell other blog-owners how they should moderate their blog, what rules they should have in place, what standards they should adhere to, what posts they should and should not allow … and then dancing on the head of a pin when called out on it.
  
  This habit of his has led to him being banned from probably more blogs than just about anybody else in New Zealand!
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:20am
- Nermal
  
  The most amazing thing about this was that when I went to Pete George’s blog I discovered people actually read it
  
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  January 7, 2019 4:55pm
big bruv

It’s most strange that a media whore like horse face has been silent for over two weeks. Might she have major personal issues that she is dealing with?
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January 7, 2019 9:00am
- kiwitoffee
  
  Let’s hope so.
  
  It would mean she has less time to misgovern the country.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:03am
- igm
  
  Maybe the lawnmower has shit itself!
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:06am
- howzit
  
  Well there has been rumours that all is not well at the stable. Perhaps too much lawn mowing has removed all the paddocks sustenance and we have a hangry horse.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:32am
- itstricky
  
  media whore like horse face – 36 upticks
  
  Only lefties are nasty – aye, KEEPING STOCK
  
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  January 7, 2019 5:37pm
- Scooter
  
  May it continue I say, but I would have expected at least a Happy New Year.
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:01pm
PaulP

Surely this young woman will be welcomed home and be safe given Saudi Arabia are on the UN council for women’s rights and equality???

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/109761028/woman-at-bangkok-airport-to-be-forcibly-returned-to-saudi-arabia-where-she-fears-family-will-kill-her
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January 7, 2019 9:24am
- kowtow
  
  Asia Bibbi , this lady and how many others ?
  
  Where’s the hashtag feminists when you need them?
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:47am
  - pentwig
    
    Wait for it Kowtow. The stoopidthing will be along shortly to inform it is all ok and we misunderstand the saudis logic.
    
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    January 7, 2019 10:49am
- MCos
  
  The issue in this case doesn’t appear to be wholly the Saudis. After all everyone knows what to expect from those bastards, including the young woman in question.
  The Thai authorities appear to have allowed her to be kidnapped and taken out of the transit area, which means she can be deported.
  I’ve read of a number instances where the Thais don’t give a shit about human rights of foreigners in this way if it keeps some bully happy, usually China.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:57am
oldgolfer

For a variety of reasons, most selfish, I have a keen interest in the stock market.
I read a lot of overseas material, Bloomberg et al.
I have discovered a few things.
The first is that the market is jumpy.
The second is that much of the commentary is formulaic.
Third is that what passes for business commentary in the mainstream media in NZ is woeful, out of date and ill-informed.
I have also discovered that most mainstream business sections delight in using reports predicting that the world is about to step back to 1929; that every correction gets enthusiastic, even gleeful, coverage, and that upswings are largely ignored.
The most the execrable Stuff can manage in hints on how to save in the New Year, ffs.
I do not subscribe to NBR, so I should exclude it from criticism.
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January 7, 2019 9:28am
- VicParking
  
  Blame it all on Computers Buying and selling along with the MSM only posting negative strories about the USA and Trump
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:46am
  - kowtow
    
    The shit MSM do literally blame it on Trump. Especially our own home grown thickos and activist reporters.
    
    There’s a slowing in the German economy , that should be a major story , and whose fault is it ?
    
    Yep , Trumps’ listed as the first culprit …….
    
    ‘Ongoing trade tensions between the United States and China, problems in the German car industry and uncertainty about the United Kingdom’s planned exit from the European Union have all contributed to the slow down.’
    
    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-fat-years-of-high-tax-revenue-are-over-finance-minister-scholz/a-46974070
    
    But a quick search for related stories shows it’s way more complex. And this item barely touches on the Orange Satan.
    
    https://www.industryweek.com/economy/first-slowdown-2015-brings-angst-german-economy
    
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    January 7, 2019 10:37am
    - Tall Man
      
      Trump, like Sir John Key must really be an awesome man as so many of the world’s ills are “attributed” to him….
      
      Why the useless media here are so fixated on Trump but are looking away from the real issues that we have and will continue to have with the useless bunch of twits in the coalition.
      
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      January 7, 2019 11:24am
- KevOB
  
  It is indeed very formulaic. The market ignores value and and I see a great deal of charting going on trying to predict price movements.
  I would be checking out the movement in the yield gap between a broad equity index like S&P and long dated treasuries. I expect we are now in a downward cycle.
  If you must hold equities the blue chips go down more rapidly and also recover more rapidly.
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:14am
- tf78
  
  We were long time subscribers to NBR but with their ill informed leftist views we cancelled it last year.
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:41am
Jack5

What the tobacco industry PR’s aren’t saying …

E-cigarettes might be better than ordinary cigarettes for lungs – but watch out the batteries don’t explode.

A Canterbury woman’s e-cigarette vaporiser’s battery has exploded (first link below).

The Canterbury explosion and fire occurred during the night when the battery of the e-cigarette, or vaporiser, was being recharged.

But a study by the US Fire Administration of e-cigarette fires and explosions from 2009 to 2016 (second link below) found that there were more explosion/fire incidents both, when the e-cigarettes were in use and when they were in users’ pockets, than when the vaporiser battery was being recharged.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/109756309/vapouriser-battery-explodes-damaging-canterbury-womans-home

US Fire Administration report:

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/electronic_cigarettes.pdf
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January 7, 2019 9:32am
starboard

I bet Lees Galloway had, and is having a nervous Xmas/ New year…
*Karel Sroubek*
*Jan Antolik*

It aint goin away…
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January 7, 2019 9:54am
- oldgolfer
  
  Bit twitchy, I suspect.
  The ham never tastes so good when you are about to be forked.
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:58am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Collecting nearly $1000/day salary + super while on holiday for 7 weeks . The poor man.
  
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  January 7, 2019 10:02am
- lifesgood
  
  I hope not, but these slimy bastards control the police and the media so they may just brazenly wait it out. That cannot happen!
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:40am
Huevon

May the PM’s notorious laziness continue. I haven’t heard that obnoxious, whiny tone for over two weeks.

(Good thing nothing serious has happened)
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January 7, 2019 9:56am
- Paulus
  
  Life in Gizzy must be good – could only hope she will stay there.
  
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  January 7, 2019 10:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Life in Gizzy is excellent…a spot of rain is expected over the next week.
    Bliss.
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:07am
    - Inandout
      
      Good weather for burgs, Maggy?
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11871321
      
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      January 7, 2019 11:20am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Very neighbourly in Kaiti
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/109740290/gisborne-homeowner-forced-to-sell-up-says-happy-ending-has-worked-out
        
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        January 7, 2019 4:53pm
- hullkiwi
  
  You haven’t been watching TV then? Last week she was appearing in an advert that last Friday was going to be a tidy Kiwi day or something, and she was saying “she was in”. Yuk….
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:35am
- Sacha
  
  Would we know if it had??
  
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  January 7, 2019 12:49pm
- artemisia
  
  No prob, the concerned face will be wheeled out if it is serious enough.
  
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  January 7, 2019 12:56pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/109761887/white-houses-sarah-sanders-valuing-life-is-what-sets-america-apart-from-every-other-country

“Every life – that’s what sets America apart from every other country; we value life. That is what makes us unique.” Sarah Huckabee-Sanders.

Has Jacinda been told? Bit of a bold claim there methinks?
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January 7, 2019 10:01am
- Tall Man
  
  ardern the liar will be on to it when it makes the TV news.
  
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  January 7, 2019 10:10am
  - tf78
    
    I think SLG records the news an then watches it at her leisure – might be a few days out of date.
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:44am
Tall Man

Why is this “news” a headline on MSM?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12186563

Once again, I don’t care what an adult does in his/her private life as long as it is legal and is not thrust (poor word I know) into my arena.
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January 7, 2019 10:15am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Who out there in the real world actually cares?
  
  Sheesh!
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:00am
  - Tall Man
    
    My point exactly so why do they do it yet ignore the many and varied failings of ardern the liar and her band of silly twits that currently form the coalition?
    
    I clicked on the link because the headline “indicated” that Taylor had been “booted” from the Phoenix which it appears he had not.
    
    By the way, in case you missed it
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy…isn’t very well liked.
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:20am
Tall Man

White women at it again?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12186535

Nope, didn’t think so.
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January 7, 2019 10:20am
- auckwood
  
  I’m sorry, its (partly) my fault, being a 5th generation white New Zealander whose ancestors may or may not have colonized, enslaved or oppressed their ancestors hundreds of years ago, and regardless of how many millions my government has paid back in reparations to these women’s tribal elders (which obviously is still working its way down to these women) they are still entitled to much much more. Shame on the shop keeper for trying to deny the women of what they are entitled to and owed!
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:34am
- GoVege
  
  I saw an old white guy in a Chinese meat shop a few years ago asking for money.
  At least he didn’t use violence or threats and only wanted $2.
  The poor staff were looking so stressed, I gave him $2 to go away. 🙂
  
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  January 7, 2019 12:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Cullen?
    
    It didn’t work, he’s back.
    
    You didn’t need to put the “white” in the story. We can deduce that as no assault took place.
    
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    January 7, 2019 1:10pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Looks like the ‘heist’ was worth approx $100, for a handful of cigarettes. If you are going to commit theft and assault at least make it worth the hassle of a conviction and possible imprisonment! Or do they know the crime will result in a wet bus ticket being brandished in their direction??
  
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  January 7, 2019 1:26pm
Hugh Pavletich

Australia braces for hard landing in housing market … The Irish Times

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/australia-braces-for-hard-landing-in-housing-market-1.3749277

… What was learned from the Irish ’07 experience … and following extensive research by the Central Bank of Ireland the imposition of a sensible general mortgage cap of 3.5 times annual household incomes ? …note comments on this MacroBusiness Australia thread …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/cba-aussie-house-prices-keep-falling/#comment-3227235
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January 7, 2019 10:26am
- starboard
  
  oohhh, must read them links..thanks Hugh //sarc
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:26am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/01/links-7-january-2019/#comment-3262657
    
    Supply strangled housing markets such as California and Britain burst too !
    
    Here is the woeful supply track record of Britain over the decades …
    
    Britain set for worst decade of housebuilding since WW2 … UK Centre for Policy Studies
    
    https://www.cps.org.uk/press/press-releases/q/date/2019/01/01/britain-set-for-worst-decade-of-housebuilding-since-ww2/
    
    … extract …
    
    … Despite the Government’s recent efforts to boost construction, new-build housing completions in England between 2010 and 2019 are set to be approximately 130,000 per year – well below the 147,000 of the 2000s or 150,000 of the 1990s, and half of the level in the 1960s and 1970s.
    
    The picture becomes even worse when you factor in population size. In the 1960s, the new-build construction rate in England was roughly the equivalent of one home for every 14 people over the decade. In the 2010s, that ratio was one to 43, more than three times higher. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    .
    Clearly … some of the financer guys need to wake up to some basic structural realities of housing markets …
    
    http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html
    
    Much of the apartment stock should be considered just bubble stock … of no interest to real buyers, just speculators chasing easy supply strangulation induced inflation … when it’s there !
    
    When they (and their equally ill-informed financiers) vanish … LOOK OUT.
    
    The bubble then bursts … as we are seeing in Australia now.
    
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    January 7, 2019 1:46pm
    - Swifty
      
      Reported for linkwhoring.
      
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      January 7, 2019 3:17pm
Stamper

Will Macron last out 2019? I would not put money on it. By the way:
“At the time President Macron was speaking, one of his emissaries was in Morocco to sign the UN Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration, which defines immigration as “beneficial” for the host countries. Under it, signatory states pledge to “strengthen migrant-inclusive service delivery systems.”
That is the UN Agreement signed by Winstone as a Xmas present to NZ.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13500/france-in-free-fall
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January 7, 2019 10:29am
- GoVege
  
  As Maggy brought to our attention yesterday, Macron is in trouble for suggesting women (presumably immigrants) refrain from having 8 or 9 kids.
  He got hell of course.
  Besides bankrupting France in welfare payments, in a few generations it will be another 3rd world country.
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Macron was talking about Africa’s population explosion.
    France gives massive aid to its former colonies.
    I think the point he was trying to make was that nations like Mali, Chad and Burkina Faso would find it difficult to benefit from the aid if their populations continued to soar.
    He was stressing the need for those countries to embrace Education for their girls… and made the statement ‘Present me the woman who decided, being perfectly educated, to have seven, eight or nine children.
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/sep/26/education-family-planning-key-africa-future-emmanuel-macron-un-general-assembly
    
    He got backlash from well-off, educated females in the West with large families.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2018/10/19/perfectly-educated-women-dont-have-big-families-macron-said-then-moms-spoke-up/?utm_term=.6a05c796c1b1
    
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    January 7, 2019 2:30pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Maybe Macron should have spoken to his Spanish neighbours first. Because last week, Border guards at Spanish enclaves bordering Morocco, in 2 incidents stopped illegal immigrants entering Spanish territory. In these cases men were concealed in hollowed out mattresses tied to the roofs of two cars. The illegals were captured, but the drivers of the cars escaped back into Morocco.
  
  So, those leaders pushing this agreement need to be held accountable for their inept indulgence in a matter they choose not to come to terms with.
  
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  January 7, 2019 12:05pm
  - Komata
    
    Hk
    
    Except that the ‘leaders’ won’t be because they are above such things and consider it to be something that the ‘Proles’ should have to deal with; never themselves.
    
    It’s a perk of being ‘privileged’…
    
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    January 7, 2019 12:16pm
Stamper

Will Macron last out 2019? I would not put money on it. By the way:
“At the time President Macron was speaking, one of his emissaries was in Morocco to sign the UN Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration, which defines immigration as “beneficial” for the host countries. Under it, signatory states pledge to “strengthen migrant-inclusive service delivery systems.”
That is the UN Agreement signed by Winstone as a Xmas present to NZ.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13500/france-in-free-fall
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January 7, 2019 10:32am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Gatestone ” fake News ‘ Institute,
  
  JOHN BOLTON CHAIRS AN ACTUAL “FAKE NEWS” PUBLISHER INFAMOUS FOR SPREADING ANTI-MUSLIM HATE
  
  JOHN BOLTON, PRESIDENT Donald Trump’s pick to be his new national security adviser, has a long association with a group infamous for its role in publishing “fake news” and spreading hate about Muslims.
  Bolton wears many hats. He serves as a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a contributor to Fox News, and controls a Super PAC that used money from the billionaire Mercer family to help elect congressional Republicans.
  
  But one role that has received relatively little scrutiny is his work as chair of the Gatestone Institute, a nonprofit that focuses largely on publishing original commentary and news related to the supposed threat that Islam poses to Western society. He has served in that role since 2013. (Bolton did not respond to an email seeking comment.)
  
  A steady drum beat of vitriol is visible on the Gatestone website on almost any given day.
  Just this week, the Gatestone Institute published stories claiming that the “mostly Muslim male migrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East” in Germany are fueling a “migrant rape crisis” and that “Muslim mass-rape gangs” are transforming the United Kingdom into “an Islamist Colony.”…”
  
  https://theintercept.com/2018/03/23/gatestone-institute-john-bolton-chairs-an-actual-fake-news-publisher-infamous-for-spreading-anti-muslim-hate/
  
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  January 7, 2019 10:59am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ralph *fake Christian* Taylor
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:02am
  - Inandout
    
    Lee Fang is a progressive and is violently anti Trump, as well as anti capitalist. He promotes an ‘open gate’ US policy to migrants.
    
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    January 7, 2019 11:14am
Poppa

Lately I have noticed the MSM pushing climate change big time, with doom stories about rising sea levels. My question is, why?

Have they received instructions from Labour HQ to push this? I noted 3 seperate articles on the same site at one time last week.

Usually when this type of thing happens it is softener for a Labour announcement, so what can we look forward to? I don’t know but I bet it will take money from my pocket
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January 7, 2019 11:43am
- tf78
  
  Poppa it’s sure to be insurance premium increases.
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:48am
- MCos
  
  ‘Have they received instructions from Labour HQ to push this?‘
  
  I lived in a country where the media is intimidated by the government. You’d know soon enough if it was happening here.
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:57am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    not “intimidated by”, more like “aspiring to cushy comms jobs in the left wing parties of”, as so many of their former colleagues have done.
    
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    January 7, 2019 12:31pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Feelz and selfies are all these tossers want.
      
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      January 7, 2019 12:39pm
      - tf78
        
        It’s all they’re capable of – our dog has more brains than all of them put together.
        
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        January 7, 2019 6:14pm
- Doctor Who
  
  Maybe they are just facing the reality of global warming, based on the science. The recent Fourth National Assessment of the USA, and especially the latest IPCC special report, which gives us 12 years to make real progress in reducing emissions.
  
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  January 7, 2019 11:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m “giving” ardern the liar 20 months to “leave” the building.
    
    She’d better get her cv in order.
    
    Ex pm of a South Pacific nation, ardent Trump and US hater, secret communist with destructive tendencies, ardent spender of other citizen’s money on future proofing her cv…
    
    Yup, ugly reading
    
    Oops nearly forgot the big one…
    
    Barefaced liar.
    
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    January 7, 2019 12:41pm
- Ross12
  
  Poppa
  They are just trying to “soften” us up for Shaw’s Zero Carbon Act. It will be all on this year. Wall to wall BS.
  
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  January 7, 2019 12:40pm
  - tf78
    
    I hope the Greens are the first to hold their breath.
    
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    January 7, 2019 6:15pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    And will the National party for anything to end this stupid idiotic ‘zero carbon’ bullshit ~~when~~ if they get elected?
    
    Fat chance.
    
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    January 7, 2019 10:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s difficult to push the man-made global warming story in the middle of winter… makes more impact to run warming/hottest day, month, season stories in our summer.
  
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  January 7, 2019 2:43pm
- Niz
  
  You probably noticed all the words like “might”, “may”, “suggests”, “possibly”, “could” in those stories.
  There are also “climate change” stories that might be climate change related, but have nothing to do with human causes – E.g. glaciers that began receding in the mid 19th century.
  Some of the “Greenland is melting!” stories refer to data from some years ago when there was melting, but you won’t hear about the last two years, where there was practically no ice loss.
  They’re fuckers.
  Even the official reports about the lack of ice loss in Greenland take pains to point out that this is still consistent with global warming. So what? It’s also probably consistent with global not-warming.
  The branding of anybody who doesn’t meekly conform as a denier gives me the shits. This tactic alone is enough to make me question the ‘official’ climate change proponents.
  
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  January 7, 2019 6:15pm
- KevOB
  
  The Labour PR team are gungho green. They may even plan Labour policy. Smart bunch of underground ~~terrorists~~ activists.
  
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  January 7, 2019 6:54pm
MH

In an act of infamy….on Dec 8 approx 0400 hrs local Shanghai time, a Brit born “NZer” said “Get off my bloody ship” Minutes later HMS Peterel became the first His Majesty’s ship to be sunk in action even though Brit and Japan hadn’t declared war on each other…
Lest we forget.
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January 7, 2019 12:10pm
MH

SEAGOON:
Thank you. Now gentlemen, the most pressing need in the Crimea is the heavy artillery mortar for siege purposes. You see, the Russian held city of Sebastopol has walls twenty feet thick.

GRAMS:
Political rhubarbs.

DISRAELI:
Ah, Lieutenant Seagoon, you say the walls of Sebastopol are twenty feet thick?

SEAGOON:
Yes.

DISRAELI:
Why did you say that?

SEAGOON:
Because the walls of Sebastopol are twenty feet thick.

DISRAELI:
You say the walls are twenty feet thick because they are twenty feet thick?

SEAGOON:
Yes, I said they are twenty feet thick because they are twenty feet thick!

DISRAELI:
Well, you appear confident. Thank you.

SEAGOON:
Good luck! To continue; I would like to say…

DISRAELI:
Ah, Lieutenant? A passing thought – have you ever measured the walls of Sebastopol?

SEAGOON:
(In a fury) Mnnnnnngh… (Suddenly calm.) No.

DISRAELI:
Then it is possible that the walls are not twenty feet thick?

SEAGOON:
It is possible, yes.

DISRAELI:
They might be only ten feet six inches thick?

SEAGOON:
It is possible the walls of Sebastopol are only ten feet six inches thick.

DISRAELI:
You say that it is possible that the walls of Sebastopol are only ten feet six inches thick.

SEAGOON:
Yes!

DISRAELI:
Why do you say that?

SEAGOON:
Because you said it!

DISRAELI:
I said it?

SEAGOON:
Yes.

DISRAELI:
Lieutenant, are you blaming me for the walls of Sebastopol being only ten feet six inches thick?

(Argument &c)

SEAGOON:
I’m not blaming you at all. You’re a raving idiot man.

DISRAELI:
Then who are you blaming for the walls of Sebastopol being only ten feet six inches thick?

SEAGOON:
I’m not blaming anybody for the walls of Sebastopol being only ten feet six inches thick.

DISRAELI:
But somebody must be responsible for the walls being ten feet six inches thick!

SEAGOON:
Nobody’s responsible for the walls of Sebastopol being only ten feet six inches thick.

(Argument &c)

GRAMS:
Bring in sound of political infighting.

LORD PHULES:
(He’ll have to go!) Gentlemen please, please. After all, Lieutenant Seagoon did not say the walls were only ten foot six inches. He said they were twenty feet thick.

DISRAELI:
Twenty feet?! Then what’s happened to the other nine feet six inches?

SEAGOON:
Nothing’s happened to the other nine feet six inches.

DISRAELI:
Thank heavens they’re safe! Lieutenant Seagoon, I apologise.
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January 7, 2019 12:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  You’ve been snooping at ardern the liar’s cabinet meetings haven’t you?
  
  Good of you to disguise their names and the subject but…we know who they really are.
  
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  January 7, 2019 12:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  Did Disreal also explain to Seagoon and coy the importance of continuing their alliance with the Ottomans against Imperial Russia? under his predecessors, Lord Palmerston’s dictum,
  
  “Britain has no perpetual enemies or friends. Only interests “
  
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  January 7, 2019 2:53pm
  - MH
    
    no they were too busy worrying about maori starting to get a bit troublesome. And the bolshie Chinamen.
    
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    January 7, 2019 3:03pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ahh, dopey steffy is back at the keyboard.
    
    ardern is a liar.
    
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    January 7, 2019 5:20pm
MH

my apols I should have just linked it and attached it up further to Obama’s wall.
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January 7, 2019 12:38pm
Manolo

Lovely ladies, colonialism to blame:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/three-woman-rob-waikato-dairy-brutally-beat-worker/ar-BBRSXYV

Brutal footage shows three women savagely robbing a Tuakau dairy on Sunday night.

Then the robbery turned violent. One woman came behind the counter and launched a violent attack on the worker, punching him multiple times, while another grabbed handfuls of cigarette cartons.
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January 7, 2019 12:56pm
- Johnboy
  
  That damned Captain Cook fellow has a fucking lot to answer for I say! 🙂
  Thank goodness the Polys beat him to death! 🙂
  
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  January 7, 2019 1:01pm
  - Manolo
    
    Pass me the ~~Beefeaters~~ Glenlivet, Johnboy. Cheers.
    
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    January 7, 2019 1:04pm
  - Paulus
    
    Imagine what New Zealand would be without having been explored by Cook and colonised by the Brits.
    It would have been another French Colony with all the indigenous people wiped out very quickly.
    The French were great colonists.
    
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    January 7, 2019 1:52pm
    - GoVege
      
      Didn’t Napoleon reintroduce slavery in a few colonies?
      The British put an end to the slavery that was going on here!
      
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      January 7, 2019 2:06pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Paulus yet the Tahitians, other Eastern Polynesians and New Caledonians etc continued and still flourish!
      
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      January 7, 2019 2:56pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Tahitian_War
        
        1878 : the great Kanak rebellion
        https://www.croixdusud.info/hist_eng/hist_1878_eng.php
        
        https://www.uhpress.hawaii.edu/title/specters-of-violence-in-a-colonial-context-new-caledonia-1917/
        
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        January 7, 2019 3:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        https://asiapacificreport.nz/2018/05/07/blood-in-the-pacific-30-years-on-from-the-ouvea-island-massacre/
        
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        January 7, 2019 3:32pm
      - DigNap15
        
        Yes because their women were hot!
        
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        January 7, 2019 4:04pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Ever been there? Doubt it you impoverished bludger.
        
        I have.
        
        Take away the subsidies and see what you’re left with.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        ‘steffy girl is just really stupid.
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:18pm
    - Nermal
      
      Actually very lucky not to have been colonised by the Belgians. Not sure why but what they practiced in the Congo was horrific
      
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      January 7, 2019 5:13pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Future proofing maybe.
      
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      January 7, 2019 5:17pm
    - howitis
      
      How about Haiti
      
      The French, or their friendly slave dealers, nicked a pile of Africans from Africa and deposited them in Haiti.
      When the ‘natives’ got a bit argy bargy and wanted freedom the luvly Froggies slapped them with a huge bill for proving new land and free transport there!
      It took more than 120 years for Haiti to clear the debt from 1827 to the 1947.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_debt_of_Haiti
      “Haiti was once the richest colonies in the New World. Under French rule, between the years of 1697 and 1804, 800,000 West African Slaves were brought to what was then known as Saint-Domingue to work on the vast plantations that produced sixty percent of France and Britain’s coffee and three quarters of the world’s sugar.[1]
      Not only did >>Saint-Domingue account for one third of the entire African slave trade<<, but the conditions under which they lived and were treated were known to be some of the most cruel."
      
      So the nutters, rutters, and #MeToo's of HollyWeird throw us a bone with "The Butler" "12 Years a slacking" 'Lincoln (2012)' 'Free State of Jones' and a bunch of other movies dripping with disdain for dem white folk. I've never seen any of them.
      They poured out a bunch of movies in a five year period where dem naughty 'mericans had slaves but conveniently ignored the British, French, and Spanish activity in this area.
      
      The Froggies do irony well
      "Haiti’s legacy of debt began shortly after gaining independence from France in 1804. In 1825, France, with warships at the ready, demanded Haiti compensate France for its loss of slaves and its slave colony. In exchange for French recognition of Haiti as a sovereign republic, France demanded payment of 150 million francs. In addition to the payment, France required that Haiti discount its exported goods to them by 50%"
      
      Yep, lets 'negotiate' a one sided 'deal' with guns literally pointing at you!
      
      nous sommes des gens sympas
      
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      January 7, 2019 7:05pm
  - MH
    
    I said lets have a game of Volley ball not give them a volley full…….royal marines just too eager…
    
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    January 7, 2019 2:04pm
Manolo

Shouldn’t this socialist crook open the Vatican’s doors instead?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/06/pope-calls-end-diplomatic-stand-off-49-stranded-migrants/

Pope Francis has called on European leaders to stop arguing over the fate of 49 migrants aboard two humanitarian ships in the Mediterranean and to offer them a safe port of call.

“I am making a heartfelt appeal to European leaders to demonstrate concrete solidarity for these people,” Francis said. They are “looking for a safe port where they could disembark”, he added.
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January 7, 2019 1:02pm
- Johnboy
  
  Well if the little fatarse bastard chucked in with the Moronmons mate he could afford more charity than Bill and Melinda! 🙂
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_organizations
  
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  January 7, 2019 1:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  Vatican City…..
  
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  January 7, 2019 1:16pm
  - MH
    
    if anyone can the Vatican
    
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    January 7, 2019 1:21pm
- kiwitoffee
  
  Alexandria, perhaps?
  
  Dar es salaam?
  
  Dubai even?
  
  Why does it have to be Europe?
  
  If you are a genuine refugee, then it doesn’t matter as long as you are no longer in danger.
  
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  January 7, 2019 5:40pm
MCos

It must be a long time since Australia have been down 2-1 at home in the cricket and are hoping to get away with a draw in the final test.
As it is It’s thirty one years since they’ve been asked to follow on at home – 172 tests.
None of their batsmen scored a century in the series, which is some kind of record too.

Mind you I’ve followed NZ cricket cricket through some pretty bad times when it’s looked like none of our wretched batsmen looked like getting double figures.
I remember when we suprised everyone by beating the Windies when they were awsome.
A public holiday was declared and Fred Goodall was knighted.
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January 7, 2019 1:05pm
- Johnboy
  
  Aren’t we up there at #2 or something MCos?
  Who’d have ever thunk it eh? 🙂
  
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  January 7, 2019 1:12pm
- Poppa
  
  Looks like they might get out with a draw due to rain too bugger it all
  
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  January 7, 2019 1:14pm
Tall Man

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12186566

Good old Enzed, helping out tight arse idiots.

At least they saved a few bucks not insuring their house but I’m sure “caring face”will pop up in the media, as long as the international media are there, sobbing about how the government has let these people down….oops, that’s not right is it….

Hang on, my mistake, it’s Sir John Key’s fault..

No wait, Trump did it.

No, these people were too greedy to spend their money on providing insurance for their future safe in the knowledge that other morons will bail them out.
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January 7, 2019 1:23pm
- Johnboy
  
  At least it wasn’t Captain Cooks fault. They appear to be white! 🙂
  
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  January 7, 2019 1:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    They might know a treaty recipient…
    
    Silly me, of course they won’t. Treaty recipients wouldn’t be talking to “renters”, they only associate with other “recipients” and they ain’t sharing…
    
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    January 7, 2019 2:38pm
- Paulus
  
  Hang on – it was a rented house and their only loss was contents.
  Tough on the owner though.
  
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  January 7, 2019 1:54pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Sorry, my bad.
    
    So they didn’t lose their home, they burned someone else’s home.
    
    It was not “their”house and if they couldn’t look after it then it probably wasn’t their “home” either.
    
    7 occupants plus a dog or two. Kind and generous landlord methinks. No wait, ardern the liar and her puppy twitford have explained that there are no kind landlords so maybe these people were lying about the dogs. Oh that’s right, it’s now a tenant’s “right” to have dogs, paint the walls and whatever else they want and also engage in illicit drug taking and sublet to whomever they want.
    
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    January 7, 2019 2:36pm
- DigNap15
  
  I cannot believe homeowners not having insurance for their house.
  It should be the first thing you pay.
  
  Look at the hundreds of people that did not have insurance before the Christchurch quakes.
  
  If your house is on a mortgage, the bank makes you have insurance.
  If its freehold, then you have no mortgage or rent to pay, so it should be easy to pay insurance premiums.
  
  So, yes we need to stop helping such people and make them stand as an example to the other idiots outs there.
  
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  January 7, 2019 2:11pm
  - tf78
    
    Maybe it was a leaky or close to the beach and couldn’t be insured.
    
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    January 7, 2019 6:28pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I am living on my own so do not have very high cover. I am insured for $16k with $1k excess. I just got my bill for $211.
  
  The $1000 excess brings down the premium a lot. Even if they were underinsured they would not have to beg. If they can afford two dogs they can afford less than $10/wk insurance.
  
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  January 7, 2019 2:41pm
  - Ross12
    
    I assume you are talking about contents insurance or is there a typo Chuck?
    
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    January 7, 2019 4:24pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Yes, I was talking about contents as my house insurance is over $1000.
      
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      January 7, 2019 5:06pm
secondcumming

If anyone else here is at a bit of a loose-end this week, do what I’ve just done.
Download the *Mr Whippy* music to CD and drive round a few streets with the car windows down and radio at full-noise. Honestly, the disappointed look on kids faces is fucking priceless!!

😎
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January 7, 2019 1:34pm
MH

I would have thought the met00# and just PC people would have complained about the choice of Maccas advertising song In the Summertime with lyrics :

If her daddy’s rich take her out for a meal
If her daddy’s poor just do what you feel
Speed along the lane
Do a turn or return the twenty-five
When the sun goes down
You can make it, make it good and really fine
We’re not bad people
We’re not dirty, we’re not mean
We love everybody but we do as we please
When the weather’s fine
We go…
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January 7, 2019 1:51pm
DigNap15

A Lame CTU driven article on cost of living in NZ

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12186606

Where is the evidence of children with no food?
Power getting harder to pay each month?
Power has not gone up for several years

Why are so many malls full of late model cars, very few heaps around these days.

Workers and benfeiciaries just had a big pay rise. And are due for another one this year.

Its better to reduce our housing costs and food and other day to day costs.

Maybe retailers could lower their margins
Eg Kathmandu made 68% gross margin last year.
If they were not so greedy they would sell more.
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January 7, 2019 2:07pm
- brett68
  
  Wages are poor in NZ relative to cost of living.
  
  Crippling housing costs are what’s causing all the issues, rents and mortgages need to come down for the long term health of the country.
  
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  January 7, 2019 2:33pm
  - igm
    
    Snowflakes want a taste of 25% mortgage rates, making it necessary to work up to three jobs . . . Oh I forgot, they are privileged and 40 hours should be sufficient.
    Wake up some of you bludging lefties, if you want something work for it.
    Sooner this CoL is dumped from our political scene the better for all and sundry. Self-entitlement is rife and ferals abound.
    
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    January 7, 2019 3:31pm
    - brett68
      
      Don’t be a fuckwit old fella.
      
      Having most of your wage disappearing in rent or mortgage payments is terrible for the country.
      
      All that money heading offshore instead of being spent in NZ economy.
      
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      January 7, 2019 5:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Bollocks. Poor productivity is what is causing the issues. When jack doesn’t increase output and prices remain stable, why does he deserve a pay rise?
    
    When jack reduces output because he hates the boss…and overseas commodities that are similar arrive at a lower price, why does jack deserve a pay rise.
    
    When jack takes all sick leave available then decides that “I need to go to tangi” but if you don’t pay me I’ll go to the media (which just happen to love a race based outrage issue), why does he deserve a pay rise?
    
    Get off you arse and go into business or at least go and talk with a few business owners then you may see their side of the issue.
    
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    January 7, 2019 5:10pm
- igm
  
  Best you learn a bit about business. You quoted gross profit calculations. Better you learn what this actually represents!
  
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  January 7, 2019 4:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  Gross margin less wages, rent and lease costs, debt payment/reduction, insurance, H&S compliance costs, legal and accountancy fees, taxes and so on…then you might manage a profit.
  
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  January 7, 2019 5:14pm
  - igm
    
    Tall Man: The average lefty does not understand this . . . they should try going into business, but unfortunately very few have the guts, most who try go under.
    
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    January 7, 2019 6:42pm
auckwood

https://www.nzherald.co.nz//world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12186479&ref=clavis

Love the sensationalist headline ‘Police confront two men, one white, one black: Only one is shot’ and the obvious bias in the article….

Reading the facts however… compare the actions of both men….

“Just after 5am, two police officers sent to the scene encountered Baker on Michigan Aven, in front of the entrance to the building.
He refused to drop the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle he was holding. He acknowledged that he had fired the shots earlier, and said he had posted a video of it on Twitter. He told the officers he was running for governor, that he was going to the polls to “air it out,” that he was going to start a militia. He had a right to bear arms, he said.

As they talked, other officers approached him quietly from behind, and tackled him.”

Compared to the black man….

“When an officer approached him to ask about the fight, he ran away and took to the roof.

A handful of officers below were yelling commands, telling him to put his hands up because they had him surrounded.

Two officers stood on the stairs leading up to the garage’s roof. When Finkley and Stahl approached, Finkley asked: “He got the gun in his hand?”

“He doesn’t have a gun in his hand, but he was hiding behind the AC unit,” an officer responded.

Finkley and Stahl climbed to the roof with their guns trained on Smith and joined the chorus of officers yelling commands. Smith briefly extended his arms just above his waist to show his empty hands, palms out, then began crouching slowly to the ground. That’s when the two officers fired three shots, with one bullet grazing Smith’s head and the others striking his abdomen.”

Moral of the story that I can see..? Dont run from the cops. Obey their commands. Dont get shot.
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January 7, 2019 2:27pm
- stephieboy
  
  You appear to have omitted this,
  
  “That the black man was the one who was shot — though he had no weapon — might come as little surprise at a time when police shootings involving black men seem commonplace nationally.”
  
  Not carrying an AR15!
  
  Deliberate?
  
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  January 7, 2019 3:01pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    You appear to have omitted this
    
    You appear to have omitted an explanation of why Nostalgia-NZ described you as a “fiddler” with “skeletons in the closet” and someone who turned around a “sick life”. Do tell!
    
    http://nostalgia-nz.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-fiddler-ralph-taylor-doesnt-want.html
    
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    January 7, 2019 3:35pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”a “fiddler” with “skeletons in the closet” and someone who turned around a “sick life””…..
      
      Won’t somebody please think of the goats! 🙂
      
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      January 7, 2019 4:09pm
      - sooty
        
        Annd!!! What kind of fiddler, are you, Ralph?
        Do you play the fiddle or violin?
        
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        January 7, 2019 4:23pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Holy Moly,
      
      I’ve just checked out N-NZ’s site and all the sidebar links that mention the name Ralph Taylor.
      
      If this character is stephieboy, then it looks like I am really in stalker shit.
      
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      January 7, 2019 4:41pm
      - nasska
        
        You’re probably okay Maggy. According to Nostalgia that coot was,”someone who turned around a “sick life” “.
        
        Your stalker is still a sick unit so it’s probably not him. 🙂
        
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        January 7, 2019 4:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Txs nasska,
        
        That’s so reassuring for an old bird like me.
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:33pm
  - auckwood
    
    I did not omit that. Nor did I omit, or draw attention to the stated fact the man had left a brawl to get a firearm….
    
    I was focusing more on the fact that he ran from the police, hid on a roof, seemed to be hiding (possibly stashing something) behind an air conditioning unit, then kept moving when ordered not to move while officers had weapons drawn on him.
    
    If he was un armed then no need to run, and he (potentially) wouldn’t have been shot.
    
    Crazy hillbilly white man, was carrying an AR15 & multiple handguns, several of which in full view, did not run or keep making potentially dangerous movements while engaging the police. He was not shot.
    
    For the record I have nothing against ‘darkies’ as someone else mentioned. Merely this race baiting type of media sensationalism and victim mentality that some individuals have
    
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    January 7, 2019 4:20pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Moral of the story that I can see..?
  
  That you hate darkies as much as American cops do.
  
  Dont[sic] run from the cops.
  
  “Shot while trying to get away” – the good old fall-back of authoritarian regimes and corrupt police forces since there’ve been authoritarian regimes and corrupt police forces.
  
  Obey their [multiple and conflicting] commands [shouted from multiple directions]
  
  And still get riddled with bullets anyway when you try and follow the commands – if you’re black.
  
  Dont [sic] get shot.
  
  Yeah, good luck with that.
  
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  January 7, 2019 3:34pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    “That you hate darkies as much as American cops do.”
    
    Ouch.
    Looks like the PsychoMBot has a glitch and is stuck on Black Lives Matter Program Level 3
    
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    January 7, 2019 4:00pm
  - Longknives
    
    Ever been to America Milt? Actually met any American Cops??
    I made two observations of them during my extensive time there-
    1- They are extremely polite and courteous (unless you give them a reason not to be)
    2- They are genuinely ‘diverse’ – The amount of Black and Hispanic Officers, especially in California, is quite noticeable…
    
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    January 7, 2019 4:15pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Have to agree Longknives. I have met black Cops in Hawaii and Alaska. Great guys. Had a chat with a black cop in Hawaii about NZ cops not wearing an open carry weapon. He said the some people ay fell intimidated. My reply? Only if you have done something wrong. He even let me take his photo!
      
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      January 7, 2019 5:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Been there? I have. Met any US cops? I have.
    
    You are just buying into the MSM mass hysteria.
    
    Work it out, but I doubt you can.
    
    How many “racist” incidents get major media coverage in a year? 5, 10, 15?
    
    How many million interactions do you think occur every day in the US? How many of these “racist” incidents get retracted yet never get any publicity.
    
    How many cops get killed in the US every year? 47 last year alone. Her’s the list
    
    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/12/us/officer-shooting-deaths-2018-trnd/index.html
    
    Do you think in your tiny mind that black cops shoot white guys and white cops shoot black guys. Race is not the issue, dumb fucks, probably like you, armed and challenging police and coming second is the issue.
    
    I would say that you are as dumb as dog dirt but I think dog dirt is smarter because somehow it generally gets wrapped up and stuck in a bin. You on the other hand…….
    
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    January 7, 2019 5:01pm
  - Nermal
    
    American blacks must hate themselves so much more than the cops do, because over 90%of black murders are committed by other blacks
    
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    January 7, 2019 5:23pm
Komata

auckwood

But why let ‘facts’ get in the way of a police-bashing, ‘always the victim’-type story?
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January 7, 2019 3:01pm
- auckwood
  
  Well to be honest, the facts are all there in that one article…….
  Obviously victims & social justice clowns have too many tears in theirs eyes in outrage of the blatant racist shooting that they must’ve missed them
  
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  January 7, 2019 4:31pm
Salacious Crumb

Another serious crash on SH1 north of Auckland.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12186698

Marquess will be along shortly to tell us that they were probably rich pricks anyway and that their holiday mansion should be given to the poor.

How’s that removal of blood off the hands coming along Labour? Then again, socialists are pretty used to that aren’t they.
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January 7, 2019 3:02pm
- sooty
  
  It’s all JAGs fault.
  
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  January 7, 2019 4:20pm
- rangitoto
  
  JAG will sort it out in a few decades.
  
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  January 7, 2019 4:59pm
Nostradamus

Malaysian King Sultan Muhammad V abdicates amid reports he married Russian beauty queen

Malaysian King Sultan Muhammad V has abdicated in an unexpected move after just two years on the throne.

The palace said in a statement that the 49-year-old ruler had resigned as Malaysia’s 15th king with immediate effect, cutting short his five-year term. It is the first abdication in the nation’s history and no reason was given in the statement.

Sultan Muhammad V, ruler of north-east Kelantan state, took his oath of office in December 2016, becoming one of Malaysia’s youngest constitutional monarchs. He is said to have married a 25-year-old former Russian beauty queen in November while on a two-month medical leave.

Reports in Russian and British media, as well as on social media, featured pictures of the wedding, which reportedly took place in Moscow.

So he goes on medical leave and gets married. His doctor must be an interesting character!
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January 7, 2019 3:58pm
softail 1450

So the people in my workshop said the AN125 suzuki was getting dangerous for picking up stuff in town , we bought a new DR 650 suzuki from nelson and I made the mistake of volunteering to fly down and pick it up yesterday .
from Nelson to Picton was Dreamy ,but this morning from wellington to home 667 km, was not so good .
By the time I arrived at Taihape my bum felt like I had been the sex slave of the 88’s for 2 days.
got home and thank God the cheap Teachers whiskey bottle isn’t empty…….
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January 7, 2019 4:04pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Softail 1450:
  
  Do the police still park someone at the bottom of the hill (approaching Taihape from the north) to catch people doing 1km/h over the limit? That was a favourite spot for them a few years back, as I recall.
  
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  January 7, 2019 4:09pm
  - Inandout
    
    Nost: On most popular highways there are those (mostly) empty vans parked where you tend to speed. They stand out like dog’s balls and the wise motorist knows where to slow down.
    
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    January 7, 2019 4:21pm
    - secondcumming
      
      It’s like those cardboard cops they had propped up in Countdown….didn’t stop me from checking out Jazz as fucking Braeburns.
      
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      January 7, 2019 4:54pm
      - Longknives
        
        “Didn’t stop me from checking out Jazz as fucking Braeburns.”
        
        That’s a ‘Gateway Crime’ to putting the wrong code on your Pick and Mix mate!
        You are on a Downward Spiral secondcomming…
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:26pm
  - nasska
    
    Currently the most expensive spots to drive past on that stretch of road are a bend 2km south of Taihape, at the entrance to the Rangitira Golf Club south of Hunterville & the van parked permanently between the Ohingaiti Hotel & the rail overpass.
    
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    January 7, 2019 4:33pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I thought the Rangitira Golf Club was north of Hunterville.
      
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      January 7, 2019 8:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  “my bum felt like I had been the sex slave of the 88’s for 2 days.”
  
  I’m not asking how you know this.
  
  There are a couple of really good DR sites. This one might help your arse…..
  
  https://advrider.com/f/threads/the-dr650-thread.135295/
  
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  January 7, 2019 6:20pm
- calendar girl
  
  Sounds as though the Suzuki gave your “soft tail” a good work-out.
  
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  January 7, 2019 6:40pm
DigNap15

A lot of US cops are Black
And just about all police chiefs on US crime shows are black.
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January 7, 2019 4:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  That settles it then 😉
  
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  January 7, 2019 6:23pm
secondcumming

Just fliked on to 1ZB in the hope Larry might be back on.
But nope……does anyone know who the total-retard is they’ve got filling in?
Sounds like he could well be Kerry Woodham’s cousin or something 🙁

FFS!!
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January 7, 2019 4:18pm
- softail 1450
  
  S C, forget about talkback ,,,,,,Kerre Woodham FFS….
  
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  January 7, 2019 4:22pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Maaaate…..your certainly right there!
    
    They had *Matthew Hooton* doing the 9-12 today, he sounded like a good bastard. Why would they put a lite wait like Woodham on at that time…..maybe I’ll have to go out for morning tea and lunch.
    
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    January 7, 2019 4:48pm
- Manolo
  
  Hopeless bugger.
  
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  January 7, 2019 5:29pm
- toby1845
  
  Tim Roxborogh. (No ‘u’ in the surname. Lefty dickhead.)
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:47pm
DigNap15

We need more airlines like this

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=12186707

And the passengers should be next
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January 7, 2019 4:20pm
- itstricky
  
  Naturally, all the flight attendants (male and female) would hit on you as you are a perfect model of peak physical human form and poise.
  
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  January 7, 2019 5:48pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Itstricky:
    
    Are you a paid-up member of the mile-high club?
    
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    January 7, 2019 5:52pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Sorry, too tall to qualify….
      
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      January 7, 2019 8:14pm
  - nasska
    
    Be fair itstricky. If you owned an airline would you willingly swallow the extra fuel cost of carting obese women around on every flight?
    
    Never mind extra wide aisles & the outlay involved in greasing their hips so they can fit through the doors. 🙂
    
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    January 7, 2019 6:02pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      This point has been discussed on Kiwiblog previously:
      
      Piniwi: But VP judging by some cabin crew they are already getting subsidised WINZ whoppers. Last one seen had to move along the aisle side ways as the pilot re-trimmed the aircraft with each passing.
      
      Starboard: Dimes right. On the VERY few occasions I’ve flown with air auckland, Ive have had to put up with fat female hosties with arses ( and attitudes) so big they would slam me every time they walked past. Emirates, Thai Air and Air Asia have it sorted. No fattys.
      
      The broad Kiwiblog readership (pun intended) can provide further anecdotal evidence if required!
      
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      January 7, 2019 6:11pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Garuda, Oz Virgin, China Air, in addition…all normal sized and I mean normal not “plus sized is the new normal” crap.
        
        Even the lasses on Air Vanuatu were relatively normal…for Vanuatu that is.
        
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        January 7, 2019 6:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    She should take off the “bomb vest”.
    
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    January 7, 2019 6:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You’ve met diggy haven’t you? Is that why you fancy him?
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:15pm
- Longknives
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4102308/Are-world-s-hottest-flight-attendants.html
  
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  January 7, 2019 6:00pm
  - nasska
    
    Not how I remember it Longknives. The last time I had the misfortune to fly anywhere (did I mention that I hate heights?) was in the mid 70s. The boss had a brain fart & bought a truck when he was in Christchurch & flew muggins down to drive it back.
    
    It was still NAC then & to refer to the hostesses as being a touch agricultural was abject flattery! There I was, stuck thousands of feet up in an aluminium coffin with the choice of looking at clouds or a fat woman’s arse. 🙂
    
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    January 7, 2019 6:13pm
    - Tall Man
      
      softail 1450 has a plan…..
      
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      January 7, 2019 6:29pm
    - Longknives
      
      Treat yourself Nasska- Take a trip overseas via Emirates Business Class sometime…
      Not a lot of fat arses on those lovely Emirates Girls- Trust me.
      
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      January 7, 2019 6:52pm
      - Tall Man
        
        True dat.
        
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        January 7, 2019 8:12pm
      - Nutta
        
        Does Lawnmower Man do reviews?
        
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        January 7, 2019 10:26pm
softail 1450

nostradamus, the only way i could bring relief to the my aching butt was to stand up on the footrests and drop the legs down to the road on occasions,
to be fair there were very few cops and I didnt see one bad driver in the whole trip ,as usual the desert road was cold but warm compared to a crossing of it in the winter.
Any KB people that have been thinking about M/C touring ,Im just saying “its never to late” we are doing a circumnavigation of the south again starting on the 16th of March in Auckland …..
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January 7, 2019 4:20pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  My doctor friend says they have a nickname for motorcyclists; “organ donors”
  
  Motorcyclists are 20x more likely to die or get injured than drivers – they are about 20% of deaths but < 1% of road users. 50 die per year – a lot of them older men. Banning motorbikes would be an easy way to greatly reduce road toll and ACC costs.
  
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  January 7, 2019 5:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    But…better life while you’re here, better women and you can grow a beard and get tattoos. What could be wrong with that?
    
    PS: My doctor is an organ donor as well.
    
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    January 7, 2019 6:31pm
    - secondcumming
      
      I became an organ donor at the age of 15.
      Here we are more than 30 years later and still donating.
      
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      January 7, 2019 7:05pm
      - nasska
        
        Let’s know when you’re finished & we’ll bury what’s left! 🙂
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:16pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUCKLAND: Barfoots says the Auckland property market ended 2018 edging towards its first decline in prices for ten years. Sales volumes were weakest in at least 17 years | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/97553/barfoots-says-auckland-property-market-ended-2018-edging-towards-its-first-decline

The December 2018 data from Barfoots is out and they are painting a restrained picture.

The Auckland property market ended the year edging towards its first decline in prices for ten years.

“In the past few months the tide has turned towards it becoming a buyers’ market,” said Peter Thompson, Managing Director of Barfoot & Thompson.

“The over-riding market sentiment at present is indecision as to the direction the market is heading.”

In December, Barfoots only sold 504 properties, the lowest for a December since 2008. … read more via hyperlink above …
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January 7, 2019 4:46pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Zzzzzz…
  You must be popular at parties Hugh!
  
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  January 7, 2019 4:54pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Australia braces for hard landing in housing market … The Irish Times
    
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/australia-braces-for-hard-landing-in-housing-market-1.3749277
    
    … What was learned from the Irish ’07 experience … and following extensive research by the Central Bank of Ireland the imposition of a sensible general mortgage cap of 3.5 times annual household incomes ? …note comments on this MacroBusiness Australia thread …
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/11/cba-aussie-house-prices-keep-falling/#comment-3227235
    .
    .
    Lazard: Aussie house prices to fall for six years? – MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall)
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/01/lazard-aussie-house-prices-fall-six-years/
    
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    January 7, 2019 5:14pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Did you have an enjoyable Christmas/New Year break, Hugh? Or were you busy updating your blog?
      
      …note comments on this MacroBusiness Australia thread …
      
      You mean your comment and the 7 replies to yourself in a nested thread? It look like they ignore you at the Macrobusiness Austraila blog too!
      
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      January 7, 2019 5:19pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Supply strangled housing markets such as Auckland, California and Britain bubbles burst too !
        
        Here is the woeful supply track record of Britain over the decades …
        
        Britain set for worst decade of housebuilding since WW2 … UK Centre for Policy Studies
        
        https://www.cps.org.uk/press/press-releases/q/date/2019/01/01/britain-set-for-worst-decade-of-housebuilding-since-ww2/
        
        … extract …
        
        … Despite the Government’s recent efforts to boost construction, new-build housing completions in England between 2010 and 2019 are set to be approximately 130,000 per year – well below the 147,000 of the 2000s or 150,000 of the 1990s, and half of the level in the 1960s and 1970s.
        
        The picture becomes even worse when you factor in population size. In the 1960s, the new-build construction rate in England was roughly the equivalent of one home for every 14 people over the decade. In the 2010s, that ratio was one to 43, more than three times higher. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        .
        Clearly … some of the finance guys need to wake up to some basic structural realities of housing markets …
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html
        
        Much of the apartment stock should be considerd just bubble stock … of no interest to real buyers, just speculators chasing easy supply strangulation induced inflation … when it’s there !
        
        When they (and their equally ill-informed financiers) vanish … LOOK OUT.
        
        The bubble then bursts … as we are seeing in Australia now.
        
        It is shaping up to be carnage … with the grossly excessive multiple stretch on both sides of the Tasman (making Ireland ’07 look like a walk in the park).
        
        How prepared are you ?
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:44pm
      - Swifty
        
        Reported for linkwhoring.
        
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        January 7, 2019 6:05pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Hugh (and your loser downticking friend):
      
      Did you have chair stains after this exchange on Saturday:
      
      Hugh: Guess where interest rates are heading globally …
      KevOB: UP!
      Kevn: @hugh… Static anything just doesn’t happen. Even the weather is variable.
      Hugh: Excellent comments guys … thank you !
      
      If “UP!” and “Static” count as excellent comments in your world, then you’re more irrelevant than I thought! (A box of tissues is in the post to help you clean up those chair stains.)
      
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      January 7, 2019 5:49pm
      - Swifty
        
        Did he blow his bolt when someone replied?
        
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        January 7, 2019 5:58pm
      - Longknives
        
        Hugh’s Computer screen would have looked like a Painter’s Radio…
        
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        January 7, 2019 6:07pm
Inandout

Did the Golden Grope Awards keep politics out of the arena?
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January 7, 2019 5:36pm
dcrown

The Democrat Party is a terrorist organization, simple.
First Socialist Sanders inspired a crazed lunatic to almost kill Congressman Steve Scalise. Now deranged supporters of Ocassional Cortex are inciting violence against him on twitter.

Enough is enough!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/snipe-his-ass-rep-scalise-calls-out-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-after-her-radical-followers-call-for-his-murder/
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January 7, 2019 6:15pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Ah, the Gateway Pundit. Thanks for the reminder to sample some crazy:
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/former-law-enforcement-official-benghazi-coverup-was-to-protect-clinton-foundation-general-flynn-attacked-because-he-knew-too-much/
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/boom-obama-deep-state-put-trump-russia-intel-scam-into-play-in-april-2016-at-exact-same-time-candidate-trump-won-gop-primary/
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/exclusive-yorktown-elitist-and-bronx-hoaxer-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-went-by-sandy-well-into-college-at-boston-u-video/
  
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  January 7, 2019 6:52pm
  - Longknives
    
    Every time I feel like ‘sampling some crazy’ I just check out The Standard or Labour’s Facebook Page..
    
    The blind love for Jacinda/Cult of Personality kinda reminds me of something-
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zI9ub9AgF0
    
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    January 7, 2019 7:00pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I don’t think our tame blogs of facebook pages have anything on those American webshites.
      
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      January 7, 2019 7:09pm
      - nasska
        
        How true Mike. Our detractors don’t realise what a gentle, inclusive & communal forum this really is. 🙂
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:19pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        a gentle, inclusive & communal forum
        
        Kiwiblog was a gentler, more inclusive and more communal forum when Redbaiter was here to keep us on the straight and narrow! Perhaps we need to bring back Dad4Justice to administer tough love to those who need it?
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:29pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m not sure we could stand tough love from a man who so completely outplayed Jock Hobbs in the Canterbury u-19 trials.
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:37pm
      - nasska
        
        Poor old Baity…..it didn’t matter how much we tried to reach out to him.
        
        He just couldn’t quite handle the pace. 🙂
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:38pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Ahhh, Redbaiter. Those were the days….
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/12/a-tribute-to-redbaiter-rip-oct-16-2011.html
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/redbaiter-ally-fred-young-comes-under.html
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:41pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mikenmild:
        
        a man who so completely outplayed Jock Hobbs in the Canterbury u-19 trials.
        
        Now, in the interest of fairness, I’m sure Dad wouldn’t want to be misquoted – it was the u-18 trials:
        
        Comment 1: stiglfly who had number 7 jersey when I out played Jock Hobbs.
        …
        Comment 2: Canterbury under 18’s representative trials bigot blouse why do you ask you cowardly pus stain?
        
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        January 7, 2019 7:49pm
      - stigie
        
        “Poor old Baity…..it didn’t matter how much we tried to reach out to him.”
        
        I think Reddy was secretly trying to reach out to you Nasska but any goodness in him turned to abuse.
        Now we tried to reach out to Dad in so many ways that would help most but the last meltdown took it’s toll im afraid, but a very good meltdown indeed !~
        
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        January 7, 2019 8:43pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie
        
        the last meltdown
        
        Do you mean this meltdown? He seemed a bit worked up that day.
        
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        January 7, 2019 8:47pm
      - stigie
        
        This is the one Nostra. Poor Dad !!
        
        I TOLD YOU TO FUCK OFF. GOT BEEF THEN EMAIL AND I MEET YOU CREEP. GOT THAT ? MY EMAIL dad4justice@gmail.com COWARDS LIKE YOU AND MM AND BB NEED A LESSON!!! I AM SICK OF THIS FUCKING SHIT FROM KEYBOARD GUTLESS WONDERS!!!!
        
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        January 7, 2019 8:52pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        The words “GOT BEEF THEN EMAIL AND I MEET YOU” could be interpreted as: are you well-hung; if so, then email me, and I’ll meet you at Hagley Park. But I don’t think that’s what Dad meant?
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:00pm
      - stigie
        
        Im hearing Nostra that the glory holes have been moved to Hagley Oval, closer to Dad’s place because it’s now regarded as a sport..?
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:12pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        It’s understandable Stigie.
        
        Even our resident cricket enthusiast Keeping Stock was confused at one stage!
        
        … Now that Hagley Park has been established as a cricket ground of international standard …
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:23pm
      - dad4justice
        
        I must be due another meltdown!
        
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        January 8, 2019 7:58am
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 65: Some scumbag at Hacienda Healthcare, Phoenix

Police in the US city of Phoenix on Saturday were investigating reports of a sexual assault after a woman who has been hospitalised in a vegetative state for the past decade gave birth.

The woman, who was incapacitated in a drowning incident, was a patient at Hacienda Healthcare when she went into labour on December 29th and delivered a baby boy, according to local media.

No one knew she was pregnant and healthcare staff were initially unsure why she was moaning, the reports said.

“This matter is currently under investigation by the Phoenix Police Department, ” Sergeant Tommy Thompson said when asked about the media reports.

Hacienda spokesman David Leibowitz said the facility had recently become aware of a “deeply disturbing incident” involving one of its residents.

He declined to say whether its staff were being asked to undergo DNA testing to identify a possible suspect, or whether the facility was taking any preventative measures to protect patients against a similar situation. ….

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/police-investigate-after-woman-in-coma-for-a-decade-gives-birth-1.3749127

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/05/phoenix-police-woman-coma-decade-gives-birth-boy

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons; 21 Sylvester Stallone; 22 Louise’s husband Charlie; 23 Father O’Hagan (AKA “Father Gropius”); 24 David Lloyd George; 25 James Franco; 26 Joel Kramer; 27 Rene Naufahu; 28 Steve Wynn; 29 Vince McMahon; 30 Rob Porter; 31 The old buffers at Russell McVeagh; 32 Otago law students; 33 Tom Brokaw; 34 David Scott; 35 Justin Trudeau; 36 Morgan Freeman; 37 Hugh Hefner’s guests; 38 Brock Turner; 39 Les Moonves; 40 Asia Argento; 41 [name withheld]; 42 NY subway groper; 43 His Dishonor Brett Kavanaugh; 44 Corey Lewandowski; 45 Brooke Howard-Smith; 46 Dr. Filth McGraw; 47 Dominique Strauss-Kahn; 48 Roger Ailes; 49 Louis C.K.; 50 Geoffrey Rush; 51 Michael Douglas; 52 Bill Cosby; 53 Andy Rubin; 54 Marcelo Vanzuita; 55 Al Gore; 56 Neil deGrasse Tyson; 57 Samuel Cooper; 58 Craig Graham Wright; 59 Jeffrey Epstein; 60 Gary Glitter; 61 Michael Harris; 62 His Dishonor Clarence Thomas; 63 Santa Claus; 64 The Port Hills Groper
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January 7, 2019 7:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  This has to stop.
  
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  January 7, 2019 7:48pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Good. You’re starting to think.
    
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    January 7, 2019 7:51pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Morrissey:
  
  Do you realise that some people read Kiwiblog on their mobile phone and have to scroll through your full gropers list?
  
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  January 7, 2019 7:56pm
  - Swifty
    
    He knows it but his vanity and self-centerdness compels him to post anyway.
    
    Same as that compulsive wanker Pavletich.
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:00pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Sorry, ‘Damus. In future, I’ll only post the full list on my weblog.
    
    Sorry to be a pain, buddy, and thanks for pointing it out.
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chauvinistic/Cultural/ethnic/Religious “science”
at Major Science Conference

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/07/india-scientists-claim-ancient-hindus-invented-stem-cell-research-dismiss-einstein
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January 7, 2019 7:44pm
- MrTips
  
  Wow. That would have been an epic session. Only one thing; Darwin had a theory of natural selection, not evolution per se. Evolution is thousands of years old as a theory (Aristotle refers to the gradation of living forms, scala naturae).
  
  But then the Hindus probably invented that as well…..
  
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  January 7, 2019 7:53pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”Evolution is thousands of years old as a theory”…..
    
    “A theory”. So you subscribe more to the belief that Skydaddy booted things into existence?
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:08pm
  - Tall Man
    
    With bhaji…..
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:08pm
labrator

We really could’ve done with a guest editor while DPF is on semi-holidays. Or a rotating one:
DG
Mikenmildagainandagainandagain
KeepingStock
StephieBoy
MaggyWissilieff
Dime
istricky
Kimbo
Kimble
Dave Mann
Calendar Girl
etc…

Would’ve been fun! A day each to write whatever they want and ban whom ever they feel like…
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January 7, 2019 8:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is Kimbo still with us?
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:11pm
  - labrator
    
    I haven’t seen him posting in a long time and I know he had taken ill. Hopefully he’s still with us in that regard. I typically enjoyed his posts.
    
    (Apologies also for misspelling your surname!)
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:19pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Yes.
    
    Swifty and some others had the same thoughts a few months ago when there was some discussion on here about the cricket.
    
    I assured them that I had met up with Kimbo for a beer or six whilst watching the Cubs go down to defeat in the World Series playoffs, and that he’s fine, but focused on a project that requires all his attention. 🙂
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/pakistan_tries_to_impose_its_blasphemy_laws_on_netherlands.html#comment-2298041
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:46pm
    - tom hunter
      
      A downtick? For this?
      
      A tiny hater!!!! 🙂
      
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      January 7, 2019 8:56pm
      - labrator
        
        Morrissey has just posted below… Correlation/causation over occams razor.
        
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        January 7, 2019 9:02pm
    - labrator
      
      Do pass on my regards!
      
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      January 7, 2019 9:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Having trouble with your local MP?
A possible solution…
https://francais.rt.com/france/57625-deputee-vendeenne-majorite-decouvre-reveil-mur-parpaings-domicile
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January 7, 2019 8:09pm
- nasska
  
  Steady on Maggy. It’s written in French!
  
  Some of us poor old semi-literate cockies have trouble getting our heads around English! 🙂
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Brick or stone wall…on her driveway (?) she’s pissed about it.
    
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    January 7, 2019 8:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some ungrateful constituent erected a block wall across her driveway in the middle of the night.
    
    https://vaaju.com/franceeng/lrem-mep-patricia-gallerneau-resided-while-sleeping/
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:06pm
- Manolo
  
  Grazie mille, signora.
  
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  January 8, 2019 6:26am
Nostradamus

I see that Morrissey’s gropers comment has disappeared. Bugger – now the blogosphere sheriff (Pete George) will have to write yet another blog post on mini-mob censorship at Kiwiblog: More ‘moderation’ at Kiwiblog!

Morrissey, if you’re reading this, please note that some people read Kiwiblog on their mobile phones and have to scroll through your full list. Could I suggest that you comment on one groper at a time (if you must) and then put the full list on your blog?
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January 7, 2019 8:25pm
- Tall Man
  
  How about none at a time and leave us in peace.
  
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  January 7, 2019 8:46pm
- Morrissey
  
  Thanks Nostradamus. I’d already replied to you, but it’s disappeared in this storm of censorship and suppression. I accept your point. Here’s what I wrote earlier….
  
  Sorry, ‘Damus. In future, I’ll only post the full list on my weblog.
  
  Sorry to be a pain, buddy, and thanks for pointing it out.
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  January 7, 2019 9:00pm
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    Thanks Morrissey – I didn’t see your reply.
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:01pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/01/australia-plans-further-deportations-of-new-zealand-criminals.html

I have a suggestion…don’t commit crimes if you want to stay in OZ.
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January 7, 2019 9:31pm
- DigNap15
  
  Lets hope they deport most of those Sudanese gangsters as well, back to Sudan!
  
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  January 7, 2019 9:38pm
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    But how can they when the soft namby pamby police don’t even arrest them or charge them?
    
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    January 7, 2019 9:39pm
rangitoto

I hope you aren’t white and thin. Thin privilege is now a thing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/d5f083b6-d043-471a-94d0-9c3c5af97689
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January 7, 2019 11:15pm
Manolo

Who would trust the barbaric Saudis?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/109761028/woman-at-bangkok-airport-to-be-forcibly-returned-to-saudi-arabia-where-she-fears-family-will-kill-her
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January 8, 2019 6:24am
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  T.E. Shaw? 🙂
  
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  January 8, 2019 4:49pm
RightFirstTime

Does anyone know if Labour are having another youth sex camp this summer?
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January 8, 2019 3:21pm
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  Woah..I hope so! I’ll join up if they are! 🙂
  
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