General Debate 24 February 2019

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Captain Mainwaring

Come on Kiwibloggers, time to wake up.
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February 24, 2019 8:07am
- DigNap15
  
  Can you bring me a coffee.
  And a right wing newspaper to read.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:10am
  - G152
    
    You must be joking.
    There aint no such animal
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:12am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    What! The bastards have banned coffee now!
    
    A captains call too far!
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:42am
    - Woz
      
      Food miles, carbon emissions, oppression of poor third world farmers, deforestation…then there’s the milk – dirty dairying, rich prick farmers, polluted waterways… let’s not start on that teaspoon of sugar… and you think the Lefties in charge were going to carry on letting you drinking that shit?
      
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      February 24, 2019 8:56am
  - peterwn
    
    As Bob Jones was told at a West Coast hotel when served breakfast in bed “Why don’t you get up you lazy bastard”.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:19am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Hell! Thanks for the call.
  
  I was in the middle of a nightmare.
  
  Dreamt that Labour had formed a government and the unfit-for-any-purpose harridan was pm.
  
  Terrifying stuff!
  
  Thank god you woke me.
  
  …………………… Oh!
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:15am
- Universal Smith
  
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  Come on Kiwibloggers, time to wake up.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:18am
  - holysheet
    
    Jethro was strolling along the beach one day and he found an old oil lamp half buried in the sand. He picked it up, brushed the sand off, and out popped a genie.
    “Congratulations!” The genie said. “I will grant you one wish.”
    “I thought I’d get three,” Jethro replied.
    “Well, sorry – I’m a lazy native genie. All I give is one these days, so what’ll it be?”
    Jethro reached in his jacket and pulled out a map of the Middle East and showed it to the genie.
    “I want peace in the Middle East,” Jethro said. “All those poor Muslems”
    “WHAT?” The genie shrieked. “Impossible! I can’t do that! You don’t know what you’re asking. It’s too big. No genie could do that. Those people have been fighting for thousands of years. Your wish can’t be granted. Ask for something else.”
    Jethro thought a moment and said, “Okay then. I want you to make Cindy, the most, loved, cherished, well-thought of, and respected woman in New Zealand.”
    The genie sighed and said, “Uh…let me see that map again.”
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:04am
- howzit
  
  Wake up and smell the coffee alright. We have smelt the coffee smell of how unfit for purpose Cullen always was when it comes to finances.
  
  The smell of how equally unfit Robertson is.
  
  The smell of virtue wafting off SLG every morning.
  
  Coffee tarnished with cigarette smoke and cheap whisky off of Luigi the dwarf as he claims farmers don’t buy land to sell.
  
  I’ve just put myself off my coffee
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:21am
- The Virgin
  
  I have been having a great weekend; I picked Lakers to beat the Rockets (what a game), OKC to beat Utah (did so in double OT) and for the Mighty Crusaders to beat “the breeze”. TAB account looking very healthy 🙂
  Then realised COL will try to hit my winnings with a capital gains tax – BASTARDS
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:27am
  - adventure
    
    I had Saders, Highlanders and Brumbies on a multi. Nice little windfall, will probably stake my bets for the rest of the comp 🙂
    
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    February 24, 2019 11:07am
    - Tall Man
      
      Or expand your losses 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:15am
  - Viking2
    
    Nope they will get you with a GTC. Gambling Tax Contribution at about the same level as the motorists. i.e. a dollar left for the next bet and all the rest for Winstons fine looking horse. ( Currently called Cindy). 😆
    
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    February 24, 2019 11:28am
Evadne

Good morning Captain.
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February 24, 2019 8:09am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And the same to you Evadne.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:39am
Happychappy

Who is Andrew Little trying to kid , this bunch misfits wouldn’t be able to lie straight in bed.
https://amp.rnz.co.nz/article/b0e14bd6-53c9-4cf0-b88b-85859ceb11b4
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February 24, 2019 8:11am
- Woz
  
  Ah yes. Our biggest ally, the spooks, you name it – don’t use Huawei, or else! But the decision comes down to a dim-witted perennial failure of a man, a grim-faced, over-promoted trade union hack.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:03am
  - Inandout
    
    woz, all mobiles are basically the same, so just don’t worry about Whowhy.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:07am
    - peterwn
      
      You will know if they are eavesdropping – you will either bombard you with ads promoting travel to China or they will refuse you a visa.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:23am
      - G152
        
        Imagine for a moment just how many programs are monitoring their users, how many countries are monitoring their citizens net traffic and how many Frenemies are attempting to penetrate all other countries systems.
        And they worry that one brand of a government run software might be a bug…..
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:43am
      - KevOB
        
        There are 7 attemping trackers blocked by me on this page–spying is everywhere.
        
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        February 24, 2019 12:13pm
    - Woz
      
      I’m mot commenting either way on Huawei. I don’t have a sufficiently informed opinion on the matter. I’m just deeply disturbed that it might be up to Andrew fucking Little to decide for us.
      
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      February 24, 2019 12:52pm
Don the Kiwi

Good morning Starshine 🙂
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February 24, 2019 8:12am
Universal Smith

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National just needs a few tweaks to be back in the game.

1. Demonstrate a balance between fiscal responsibility and social conscience.

2. Get someone to front the party that the average dimwit voter is going to like. Labour did it, so can they.

All National need to do is be a bit more caring about the average Kiwi, not just their rich mates, and get a likeable leader. Key did a reasonable job and was insanely popular as a result.
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February 24, 2019 8:14am
- Pascal
  
  The only people who believe Natioonal doesn’t care about the ordinary Kiwi are Labour voters and the media.
  
  Looking at the performance of this Labour government, I’d wager National did MORE for the average Kiwi.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:29am
- dime
  
  God I wish national had cared about their rich mates last time they were in!
  
  I would have loved a giant tax cut at the top end. Even if it was only for over 150k
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:33am
  - Universal Smith
    
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    All good points guys, but it is about image too. Simon and Judith don’t come across as caring, bless them. It is making the whole party look heartless. They have an image problem.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:37am
    - peterwn
      
      Agreed they do not come across as caring with respect to boy racers, second strike crims, lifestyle beneficiaries or inmates complaining because there is margarine on only one slice of the sandwich.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:29am
      - Universal Smith
        
        Crusher Collin’s silly campaign against young men has become a meme for failure. She is regarded as crooked and nasty by decent society.
        
        Dog tucker.
        
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        February 24, 2019 12:08pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  OK Universal joint, WHO would you recommend as National leader?
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:41am
  - Colinxy
    
    Meh, “Universal Smith” comes across as Stephieboy pretending to be “right wing”.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:44am
    - softail 1450
      
      Colinxy universal smith is a pisshead ,in the morning hes a nasty wolverine type Bridges hater because of a hangover, but by the afternoon hes more moderate and less rabid.
      I’d bet money he’s on a first name basis with his local AA meetings place,and of course a constant disappointment to them.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:08am
      - Colinxy
        
        His language is reminiscent of Stephieboy, especially when replying to Tall Man.
        
        I suspect Stephieboy and “Universal Smith” are one and the same as a result.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:15am
      - Universal Smith
        
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        softy, so Simon is on 5% due to hangovers? 🙂
        
        You nutters are hilarious. Fortunately the miserably small christian conservative vote has zero influence over elections. You people are rejected by both left and right. But it is amusing watching you act out when presented with facts.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:20am
      - peterwn
        
        The poll question for ‘preferred PM’ is an open question in that the pollster does not read out a list of names. So the PM and immediate past PM (if still in politics) will come out head and shoulders above the others. As far as the others are concerned the results have much to do with how the media portray them. So the results are basically meaningless.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:34am
      - Universal Smith
        
        “So the results are basically meaningless”
        
        Gosh I wonder what our host thinks of you saying his profession is meaningless?
        
        Are you suggesting then that Simon’s support is less than 5%?
        
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        February 24, 2019 10:01am
    - dime
      
      Yeah he’s a concern troll
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:19am
      - Universal Smith
        
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        dime, We know you are not concerned about anyone other than yourself and your little pile of money.
        
        You are a mouthy little lightweight trying to make a name for himself. Dog tucker.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:23am
      - Viking2
        
        dime, this is kea back again with a new name.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:34am
    - MickMac
      
      ip address will out if dpf looks.
      
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      February 24, 2019 1:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Kea is a very cleva bird..
        
        (obviously knows her way around internet protocols)
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:36pm
  - Universal Smith
    
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    Capt, no idea. Do you know someone?
    
    I refuse to believe they don’t have a suitable front man/woman some where in the party. The ones at the front are not there because they are the brightest or the best. That is a myth.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:48am
    - Komata
      
      US@0848
      
      To clarify your position:
      
      You bag Simon and Judith as being unfit for purpose, yet cannot provide an alternative for either of them.
      
      Until you provide that you really haven’t got much of an argument have you?
      
      It seems to me (and in the spirit of good debate) either you put up (with named alternatives) or shut up, since unless you can you’re only so much hot air.
      
      Over to you.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:43am
- Lizziep
  
  oops wrong vote, sorry.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:47am
- Muttonbird
  
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  It’s not that fiscal responsibility and social conscience can’t be balanced. After all the Labour led government is doing that right now!
  
  It’s because fiscal responsibility is not at the very core of National’s belief. At the core is uncontrolled growth, and so any control with which to serve social conscience, or environmental concern, is firmly put in the back seat. National’s core policies actively work against social responsibility and care for the environment.
  
  It’s like English’s so called social investment approach – how can you claim to be working towards lifting people out of negative cycles when all your other policy actively creates negative cycles?
  
  So to the lip service toward Maori under their coalition. How can you, with the Maori Party, claim to be addressing poor social statistics for Maori while all other economic policy actively disadvantages Maori?
  
  And the environment. The ‘Blue/green’ conference yesterday still promotes dairy expansion and poor choices for water management and nitrate use, all in the name of fuelling business.
  
  It’s always business first and vulnerable people and a defenceless environment second with the National Party.
  
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  February 24, 2019 11:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    Another labour intern intent on rewriting history.
    
    That shit may be lapped up on the standard or outside the WINZ offices but will soon be consigned to “hidden” here.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    ardern uses “death” to promote herself.
    
    What a sick individual she must be.
    
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    February 24, 2019 11:48am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Muttonturd is confused between National and Labour – what a pillock.
    
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    February 24, 2019 11:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Muttonturd is confused”…
      
      Sorted 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2019 3:04pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Who was it again that lifted benefits and proposed the Kermadec sanctuary for starters?
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:49pm
  - Swifty
    
    And the greatest deficiency with Labour supporters is that they think wealth grows on trees.
    
    That governments can just magic up money to then throw round in their vain attempt to make utopia here on earth, failing each time with the refrain ‘oh, if we only had a bit more money and a bit more time we would have got there.’
    
    This is their great deceit. Without capitalism, and NZers out there working their asses off, starting businesses and taking risks, they’ve got nothing.
    
    Nothing.
    
    And then they have the utter bare-faced gall to say ‘capitalism has failed’ as an excuse for yet some new costly and doomed from the outset intervention.
    
    Stinking, lying hypocrites, the lot of them.
    
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    February 24, 2019 2:02pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Even worse when they have no idea how to plant ordinary trees let alone “money trees”.
      
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      February 24, 2019 3:03pm
All_on_Red

I think it’s very brave of our current Govt to admit they are useless at managing our money.
Why else would they need to raise Taxes when clearly they get enough from us now.
Don’t believe it?
The DHBs are $300 million short but our Govt thinks spending $700 million on working groups is a more important priority.
Maybe the Govt should contract out managing the Country- to National. (Bring Back Bill)

We don’t need new Taxes. Keep our system simple.
Stop wasting our money.
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February 24, 2019 8:15am
- Universal Smith
  
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  It is time for National to lose their arrogance and sense of entitlement. They lost because they burnt all their bridges (and then kept the wrong one). They are stuck out in a political wasteland with no mates to help form a coalition.
  
  Pissing and moaning about how tragically unfair it all is won’t fix it. Nor will attacking the messenger. They have to accept the reality, learn some basic humility, then get on with it.
  
  And get rid of that smug christian conservative prick Simon.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:27am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Now that Vernon Tava has emerged with a new Green Party, he should stand in the West Coast.
    The Nats do well with the Party Vote there.
    I’d have to wonder if Tava , with support from Nat voters, could take enough off Damian OConnor to win the Seat and provide the base his Party needs.
    Makes sense strategically, but of course the Nats would have to endorse Tava and stand their candidate down…
    Btw, I’m happy the Nats didn’t go with that lying prick Peters and his cabal of fools.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:44am
    - dubya
      
      To win the West coast, Tava would have to speak favourably of native logging and mining. Now I have no problems with the latter and would dearly love to specify a lovely rimu ceiling for my new home, but I suspect these are a bridge too far for someone with ‘Green’ credentials to win any party vote in the rest of the country. I don’t think Tava is getting an electorate seat gifted.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:06am
      - Colinxy
        
        Coromandel once voted Fitzsimmons in, so the Coromandel might be doable I suppose.
        
        Tava needs to better title for his party at any rate. I quite liked someone’s suggestion of “The True Green Party”.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:12am
      - Colville
        
        What about Nelson?
        Lots of Greenies and very Blue too.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:50am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        And not the right way to start a relationship. Will Labour make an arrangement with both the Greens and NZ First if they continue to poll low.
        
        I appreciate that NZ First would rather buy their seat not have it gifted.
        
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        February 24, 2019 10:48am
      - Universal Smith
        
        “What about Nelson?
        Lots of Greenies and very Blue too.”
        
        That has always puzzled me. I would have thought it was a Green and Red strong hold.
        
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        February 24, 2019 10:52am
      - Happychappy
        
        It used to be very red in Stan Whiteheads day and Mel Courtney’s day until Labour decided they wanted a change from the current MP from Labour in those days.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:45am
      - RF
        
        Calling someone from Westport a West Coaster is bull shit.
        
        They are from Buller. Further south they are west coasters.
        
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        February 24, 2019 8:40pm
    - KevOB
      
      We don’t need another green party either–magenta preferred.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:29am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Vernon Tava, Verdant Party? Too posh?
      
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      February 24, 2019 12:54pm
    - fluffykiwi
      
      I think a city seat, what would be wrong with Mt Albert, all those environmentally caring people who vote for Jacinda, Not totally joking.
      
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      February 24, 2019 7:15pm
  - Inandout
    
    US, National couldn’t find a suitable Muslim to fill the role….sorry.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:14am
  - KevOB
    
    First deal with the COL interns. Put the ideologues out to grass.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:27am
  - pentwig
    
    universal s_it
    i am sure you are the milkmaid in disguise
    how are your blue stilettos?
    leftie nutter
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:24am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Count the seats. National won 56 seats, Labour 46.
    
    Because:
    1. National put principle ahead of rolling over for Peter’s, they are in opposition. Remember Nats + ACT + NZF would have been 66 seats to Lab + Greens = 54
    
    2. Instead we have a CoL held together by dodgy secret deals and Winnie and the SLG playing squirrels with poorly conceived legislation eg the Employment Relations Amendment Act – clauses in this bill will mean unemployment will rise later this year and private sector employers will be forced to increase charges because of clauses in this bill increasing the cost of employment. Yet everybody was led to believe the most important clauses were the retention of the 90 day probation hiring period, they weren’t!
    
    I’m glad National are not in govt with NZF, because it will give me satisfaction to be part of a campaign to make NZF extinct next year!
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:35pm
- Liberty
  
  “The DHBs are $300 million short”
  
  Peters spent twice that on the pacific.
  The idea of china paying for much need infrastructure in the pacific
  Is a bridge too far for the xenophobic Peters.
  
  “That promise to be more involved in the region, and work alongside Pacific countries to improve their lot, was soon backed up by a $NZ714 million boost in New Zealand aid and development spending as part of the 2018 Budget.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/107155412/winston-peters-to-pacific-nations-face-your-debts
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:42am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  Why else would they need to raise Taxes when clearly they get enough from us now.
  Don’t believe it?
  
  They need to raise taxes? Where have they stated this?
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:46am
  - calendar girl
    
    Labour and its hangers-on are always keen and to raise taxation (other than in the few months before a General Election), whether or not they actually need the additional tax income.
    
    Having extra money sloshing around gives them the freedom to hand out more of our tax money to their favourite causes, without any accountability to taxpayers.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:10am
  - KevOB
    
    They’re in office.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    They did it.
    
    Actions speak louder etc.
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:18am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    So it’s just an unsupported assertion, then. Carry on…
    
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    February 24, 2019 11:14am
    - alloytoo
      
      No, they already raised taxes, why do so unless they thought they needed to?
      
      Unless you’re suggesting the tax increases were purely ideological in nature?
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:31am
      - Tall Man
        
        Go easy on him, he votes green so is probably a little confused 😉
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:46am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Two problems there:
        1. The comment was about Labour needing to raise taxes in the present, not some historical discussion about things that happened in the past.
        2. National also raised taxes while in government in the past, so any claim of that indicating a government that’s “useless at managing our money” would apply equally to National as to Labour.
        
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        February 24, 2019 4:08pm
      - alloytoo
        
        @PM “Two problems there:
        1. The comment was about Labour needing to raise taxes in the present, not some historical discussion about things that happened in the past.”
        
        Ideological then.
        
        The real problem is Labour’s 9 years of policy neglect, they don’t have a rational course of action planned, so they’re reverting to ideology.
        
        @PM “2. National also raised taxes while in government in the past, so any claim of that indicating a government that’s “useless at managing our money” would apply equally to National as to Labour.”
        
        That would depend entirely on whether they did so due to a lazy lack of policy after inheriting a budget surplus and rock star economy.
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:11pm
fernglas

Any CGT that excludes the family home is UNFAIR. It penalises those who cannot afford, or choose not, to buy a house but instead provide for their retirement through Kiwisaver. Labour has yet to propound a logical reason for the exclusion of the family home. The reason is simple. They can’t. It is a purely political decision which, contrary to their talk of fairness, unfairly penalises the large numbers of New Zealanders who cannot afford a home.
So much for looking after the less fortunate.
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February 24, 2019 8:15am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Any tax is unfair!
  
  All taxes penalise those who are successful for the benefit of losers.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:21am
  - Colinxy
    
    Technically not, as core functions of government are things like the military (to keep out invaders).
    
    It’s when you get into entitlements that I start agreeing with you. We decry that we should have a separation of Church and State but somehow we never growl at the State’s intrusion into welfare/entitlements – which was historically the province of charities (including the churches).
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:28am
    - Tarquin North
      
      I don’t know about the keeping out the invaders bit – Winston signed the U.N inspired invitation not so long ago.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:42am
- Colinxy
  
  Labour is about securing a maximal number of poor people. They’ve never looked after the less fortunate except with platitudes.
  
  Why would they sacrifice their voter base?
  
  (Their strategy doesn’t always work, as I and my siblings don’t vote Labour).
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:23am
- howzit
  
  The home is excluded as long as you;
  
  Don’t have a home office
  Don’t have a Flatmate
  Don’t charge your kids board
  Don’t have more than 4500m2
  Don’t leave it to your kids
  Don’t engage in any activities that could be taxable such as having a garage sale, sell something on trade me have a naughty nickers party.
  
  So if you can say no to the above you should be ok
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:29am
  - fernglas
    
    None of those points is completely accurate. Take the 4500m2 thing. It is only the land above that level that is subject to CGT. Likewise with the home office. If you don’t claim a deduction, there is no CGT. If you do, the CGT is apportioned.
    The argument over CGT has to be had, but it is not helped by alarmist disinformation
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:53am
    - dubya
      
      It’s accurate in that Cullen wants to levy CGT on all of the above, even if it’s at varying degrees.
      
      The alternative is a National/ACT government where no CGT applies to any of the above scenarios at any rate at all.
      
      I know what I’m voting for, do you?
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:09am
      - kloyd0306
        
        ACT and NZF will be gone in 2020.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:51am
      - JeffW
        
        So what independent value do you put on the last 100 sq.m. of a 4600 sq.m. plot? Can’t see that you can be correct.
        
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        February 24, 2019 4:27pm
    - Ultima
      
      So what is your argument for taxing lifestyle property owners?
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:27am
      - fernglas
        
        If you bothered to read any of my comments you would know that I am opposed to CGT. Pointing out the hypocrisy in Labour’s approach to it based on correct information doesn’t equal support, unless the rules around debate have changed significantly
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:52am
    - Colville
      
      So as soon as someone is dragged into the CGT net they have all the compliance costs to contend with… is this just a backhand way of stopping people from claiming for home offices etc?
      
      As a property developer…I can see lifestyle blocks of 4499 M2 becoming very popular and existing house/land packages dropping in value or being further subdivided.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:55am
  - Ultima
    
    The CGT recommendations are looking like Swiss cheese, full of holes and getting moldy very fast.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:57am
    - sooty
      
      Why would you be telling the government,
      Hay come and tax me!
      This is going to make the black market bigger!
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:10am
    - KevOB
      
      The COL don’t know what they are getting into.
      
      What about the businesses that fail? There is often massive losses of capital involved. Owners can lose their homes. All this has to be taken into a comprehensive CGT.
      
      Taxing gains without allowing losses is unfair.
      
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      February 24, 2019 12:25pm
  - cmm
    
    Because CGT reduces profitability for small business, largew business, tradies, etc etc it is inflationary.
    
    This will drive up the cost of:
    * Basic foodstuffs
    * Coffe
    * Healthcare
    * Wages
    
    Basically everything.
    
    AT the same time, expect those with the mobility and motivation (ie. skilled people who drive industry) to move. That means less jobs etc etc.
    
    CGT is supposed to reduce the costs of housing etc. Nope, it will drive them up!
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:30am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yep. Home Office: So all the small business people and consultants who have an office at home will now have to chose between CGT or not claiming annual expenses, of mortgage, rates, electricity etc. But if you do chose to continue claiming 15% of your house as an office, will the Council also then charge you commercial rates. And also what about people who rent and work from home, can they still claim their rent as an expense? They can’t in Australia it seems.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:55am
  - Ross12
    
    Lets just take the working from home office situation.
    
    Business A works from home, claims deductions on the costs. Sells home/business and has to pay CGT on the proportion of the home used.( I am simplifying the situation for the sake of discussion because it could be the business is not sold at the same time as the home)
    
    Business B works from a rented office down town. It claims the costs involved in the rental , outgoings etc. Sells business and is not charged CGT on the office because obviously it how nothing to do with the ownership.
    Does not have much logic to it in my view.
    I thought the likes of James Shaw would encourage working from home so it helps reduce the dreaded emissions.
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:40am
    - Tall Man
      
      “I thought the likes of James Shaw would encourage working from home so it helps reduce the dreaded emissions.”
      
      Silly boy…From the unofficial green manifesto..
      
      “Get in, get troughing and for the people…get stuffed”.
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:08am
- Pascal
  
  It is massively unfair that I am paying tax to support the Neets and now you want MORE that Cullen’s insanity.
  
  Fuck off.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:32am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Labour has yet to propound a logical reason for the exclusion of the family home.
  
  Labour isn’t propounding anything, the Tax Working Group is.
  
  That aside, there is a very logical reason for the exclusion of the family home: when you’re implementing policy that’s necessary but unpopular, you have to find the sweet spot where you can implement as much of it as possible without making yourselves so unpopular that it might lose you the next election.
  
  That logic applies as much to National governments as it does to Labour ones, but you never see it explicitly stated, for obvious reasons.
  
  In this instance, the TWG have (rightly, I believe) decided that including the family home in a CGT would be way beyond that sweet spot and impossible for a government to implement and survive, which means there’s no point in recommending to the government that they do it.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:53am
  - Ultima
    
    Why not just include the family home? Surely they have been touting every other countries has a CGT where the family home is included. What makes NZ so special in that context?
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:06am
    - sooty
      
      Wrong! Psycho.
      Were did Sullen get his instructions from!
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:11am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Jeepers Milton, you`re gullible enough to live in Queenstown,
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110699261/queenstowns-first-beggar-makes-up-to-100-a-day-says-snobby-aucklanders-are-tight
    Taxcinderella got the agreed Working Group recommendation that was bought and paid for with taxpayer dollars.
    You know it, we know it.
    Even stacking the group with hardcore CTU commies and greeny fuckwits, an ecological economist FFS, they still couldn`t get the unanimous result they wanted.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:10am
  - fernglas
    
    It’s not the TWG who excluded the family home; it was specifically excluded by the Government in its terms of reference, as were death duties. So as you rightly point out, it is political expediency, not principle, that led to the exclusion. Thanks for pointing that out, Milt; I thought you were a Labour cheerleader.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:13am
    - Tall Man
      
      “I thought you were a Labour cheerleader.”
      
      Possibly but definitely not a very “sharp” individual.
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:01am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      My apologies – I’d forgotten the government specifically excluded the family home in the TWG’s terms of reference. However, the reason for excluding it remains the same: if a policy’s necessary but unpopular, you have to make judgement calls about how far you can push it, if you want your government to survive.
      
      I thought you were a Labour cheerleader.
      
      I’m a Green voter. And also a realist: as I pointed out, my comment applied as much to National governments as to Labour ones.
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:10am
      - fernglas
        
        Fair enough. But the point is that it is hypocrisy to talk about unfairness while promoting a policy that is in itself unfair. Although you would probably say that a certain amount of noble-cause hypocrisy is acceptable in order to remain in Government. Sadly, I am from a background where being deliberately dishonest to keep your job is rightly seen as a sacking offence.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Green” voter as in “envy” because there sure as hell isn’t a green environmental party, unless you also wanted continued fishing in the proposed “Kermadec” reserve, were happy with the “waka jumping” legislation and dead keen on jimmy 2 mums flying around the world troughing it up at our expense.
        
        Oops, forgot, you’re also happy with benefit fraud and blatant disregard of the electoral Act?
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:44am
      - KevOB
        
        I have a magenta antiseptic for green voters. I could make a spray oil too.
        
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        February 24, 2019 12:30pm
      - JeffW
        
        Even worse. Would be OK if they were an environmental party. But not as the radical left wing party they are.
        
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        February 24, 2019 4:30pm
  - srylands
    
    We managed GST on food, unlike nearly every other country.
    
    A CGT if we must have one should be universal on all assets above a de minimis, say $10000, and a low rate. Excluding the family home will just cause more investment to pile into home improvements. And by low rate I mean 12 to 15 percent.
    
    The package could include a reduction in the top tax rate to 25 percent and indexation of tax thresholds.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      We do not need a CGT.
      
      We need to live within our “budget”.
      
      We need to grow up as a country.
      
      Imagine, heading of to the boss and askinng for a large wage increase because we want to send more money overseas to other countries so their government could buy soome Maseratis, gamble more in the casinos or increase the “family bank account” in Switzerland…..
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:03am
      - Universal Smith
        
        Now there is a good point Tall Man. We do have enough tax and are giving away money. See how simple facts can be our friend?
        
        I am guilty of not asking myself; Do we even need more tax? It should be the first question.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:08am
      - srylands
        
        My comment about universal and low rate assumes that a government is determined to have a CGT.
        
        On your point… Government operating expenses are $10 billion a year. That could be cut by 10 pecent without raising a sweat. So that is about $7 billion.
        
        My first cut would be New Zealand on Air. $137 million a year.
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:28pm
    - KevOB
      
      Leave tax admin to the professionals. If you have ever dealt with taxpayers you would be aware that adding all these extensions to get some apparent equity is a nightmare to carry through as well as very expensive.
      
      Expecting to level a tax not based on income and cut actual income tax is naive.
      
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      February 24, 2019 12:37pm
  - Swifty
    
    I ask NZers, what is more likely?
    
    As PM says, the TWG took it upon themselves to determine what they thought would or wouldn’t be politically acceptable to the CoL? Or,
    
    The TWG was told ‘don’t come back to us with a recommendation for CGT on family homes.’
    
    PM thinks we are twits.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:35am
  - pentwig
    
    psycho one
    it must be a quiet day on your co authored blog
    no one reading your tripe anymore?
    on reading your crap here, who can blame them!
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:41am
- holysheet
  
  Buy a house and stop your bitching about those who have. You made the decision to go with Kiwisaver and not get into property.
  Your answer is in your hands .
  Just do it.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:11am
  - fernglas
    
    Exactly, Mr Sheet. The lack of principle is obvious.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think he just making a point as anyone who intends to rely on their Kiwisaver to “provide” a decent retirement would be an idiot.
    
    Australia’s current employer conribution is 9.5% increasing to 12.5% by 2025. That is regarded as a supplement not a stand alone colution.
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:58am
- stigie
  
  “Labour has yet to propound a logical reason for the exclusion of the family home”
  
  And to exclude “art” from CGT…..Why ?
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:27am
- peterwn
  
  Most of those who cannot afford a home are likely to be Labour voters, so all that is needed is talk and little action.
  The votes that Labour needs to grab are from those who own their own homes. Hence o CGT on owner occupier homes would be political suicide.
  Similar for full CGT on Iwi assets. This would drive votes from Labour to the Maori Party (or similar) and unlike the Greens that party would have no compunction about supporting National if advantageous.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:41am
  - KevOB
    
    So our tax changes are to be based on political consideration?
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:40pm
    - peterwn
      
      Yes, and racist considerations too.
      
      Jean-Baptiste Colbert, French Finance Minister in the 17th Century said “The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest number of feathers with the least possible amount of hissing.” He was an excellent Finance Minister who would put Robbo to shame.
      
      So taxation has been political for at least the last 350 years.
      
      The British population in 1086 was 1.71M when the Doomsday Book was completed. So the compilation of assets, goodwill and values for CGT would be an event in NZ comparable with the compilation of the Doomsday Book in England.
      
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      February 24, 2019 1:24pm
Happychappy

Wales deals to England in the Six Nations, Eddie Jones will be eating humble pie again.
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February 24, 2019 8:18am
Maggy Wassilieff

Helping troubled kids?
or a money-making scheme for folks who exploit vulnerable kids?
‘Grim’ Te Rakau drama school failed to keep troubled kids safe before closure
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/110729832/news-drama-school-failed-to-keep-troubled-kids-safe-js-
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February 24, 2019 8:20am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Unless you are very intelligent you will not make it in acting – getting jobs requires ability to charm and impress. Marginal kids are being cruelly deceived if they are being sold this as a career.
  
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  February 24, 2019 10:43am
Happychappy

The media are trying to make out Jacinda has a Lange decision to make over Huawei,when we know Winston has already made the https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/110722332/jacinda-ardern-faces-her-lange-moment-over-huawei-decision.
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February 24, 2019 8:24am
- Universal Smith
  
  Her public disrespecting of China might appeal to a few racists, but will have non-trivial consequences for us.
  
  This is already well out of her very limited depth and is turning into a train wreck. Her disrespect for Trump also puts us in a vulnerable position. She is not brave or principled. She is an arrogant and ignorant fake.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Andrew Little hasn’t learnt to read between the lines..
  
  In fact, it appears that he doesn’t even read or listen to International news.
  Mr Little said he hadn’t heard any messages either directly or indirectly from the US in line with the comments made by Mr Pompeo, nor has the Director-General of the GCSB.
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/383170/andrew-little-disregards-us-remark-on-partnership-versus-huawei-use
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:34am
  - Wayne1749
    
    hahahah, Little’s comments showed him to have the IQ of an ox.
    
    What does he want Pompeo to do. Call him directly and spell it out in primer 3 language?
    
    Un.fuckn…believable
    
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    February 24, 2019 1:16pm
MCos

Someone yesterday was grizzling about the amount of money people sent to their families off shore.
It’s hard to find out, but the total sent to Samoa from all countries, not just NZ, is around $100mil.
Meanwhile tourists bring into NZ more than $11bil.
Not only that there are about a million Kiwis living abroad, some of whom send money back here for a variety of reasons.

When I was very young I don’t think it was possible to send money out of the country. Not only that you couldn’t use local currency to buy a new car.
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February 24, 2019 8:31am
- DigNap15
  
  There are lots of Philipina and Thai women with kiwi partners.
  They work and most of their money goes overseas to their families, while their kiwi partner pays all the bills.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:39am
  - Inandout
    
    DN15, I remember mail order brides.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:21am
- DigNap15
  
  So you remember the British Postal Notes!
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:40am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Travellers cheques, post office savings books, health stamps, when the speed sign at the top of the Ngauranga gorge said 40 and you were pleased if the bloody car got to the top let alone could achieve 40mph while doing so, an unbiased press; those were the days
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:53am
    - Viking2
      
      There never was an unbiased Press. Its a figment of your developing senility.
      😆
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:48am
  - peterwn
    
    And you could only buy limited quantities. Probably main use was for Pommie Immigrants playing UK Football Pools (nearest available thing to Lotto at the time). I remember some Pommie Huntly Power Station staff winning big in the Pools, and they all returned home.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:47am
- Colinxy
  
  Your last paragraph doesn’t make sense.
  
  We’ve been able to use “local currency” to buy new cars since NZ has had new cars.
  
  I also don’t know what you mean by not possible to send money out of the country. I don’t know how old you are, but bank cheques have been a way to do it for ages. There’s also the risky but nonetheless feasible sending actual cash in an envelope strategy.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:40am
  - DigNap15
    
    How old are you?
    You had to get Reserve Bank permission to send money overseas.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:48am
    - Colinxy
      
      Old enough to remember Muldoon.
      
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      February 24, 2019 8:51am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Nordmeyer, a former neighbour
        
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        February 24, 2019 8:57am
      - Swifty
        
        My mother’s brother used to write speeches for him, apparently (we grew up in Island Bay).
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:04am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Snap, Milne Terrace
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:11am
      - sooty
        
        You had to have overseas funds to buy a new car.
        Dealers would make you buy a truck to go to the top of the list for a car!
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:16am
      - Swifty
        
        Heh, cnr of Eden and Danube.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Paulus Gnome; Swifty
        
        You were on the wrong side of the Valley…
        Tiber St.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:45am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Depends on one’s perspective Maggie.
        
        Best place to grow up as a kid in the 60’s with a row boat, an island and the Cook Strait.
        
        Really have to ask what good possibly go wrong and I am often thinm it is quite remarkable that we didn’t kill ourselves in the process.
        
        We, the royal we, borrowed the extension ladder, trotted it down Milne Terrace very early one morning to retrieve a ball from the top of the band rotunda in Shortland Park.
        
        Ball at Island Bay school, you were king! And, got first pick of the ‘team’ lined up against the toilet block wall.
        
        Smithy Does a Bunk, pretty much us (I would like to think)
        
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        February 24, 2019 10:04am
      - Viking2
        
        So who among you are Shelties?
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Not me…
        One of the best known Shetland fishing families in Wellington were the Tait brothers,
        Jack and Peter. Jack was the first Island Bay fisherman to be known as “Mr Cook Strait”.
        There were about 250 Shetlanders in Wellington, with a number of families established
        in Island Bay, including the Arthurs, the Bruces, the Duncans, the Hunters, the Inksters,
        the Irvines, the Isbisters, the Johnsons, and the Pottingers. The Bruces lived in Bristol
        Street, the Duncans, Johnsons and Taits in Beach Street, more Taits in Queens Drive, and
        Inksters, Isbisters and Taits in Brighton Street.
        https://www.shetlandwellington.org.nz/files/Article_by_Rose_and_Jim_2.pdf
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:56am
      - Lizziep
        
        Not old enough then
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:58pm
    - rangitoto
      
      If you went on holiday overseas, you had to apply to take spending money and they deemed a max daily allowance.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:00am
  - gorse
    
    Back in the 60’s, when I was a lad, the only way to get money out of the country was by buying a 5 shilling (50 cent now) money orders from the Post office. I remember buying heaps of them to get what was called a car coat from Hong Kong. Cars didn’t have heaters back then. The only way to buy a new car then was by having “overseas funds”, eg local UK currency. My brother bought a Mini Copper this way. Life was difficult in this area back then.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:48am
    - Swifty
      
      Yep, as a primary school kid, I used to work my arse off delivering papers in all weathers to save enough to buy lead soldier figurines from England.
      
      Then it was up to the Post Office to get a money order to send off with my order.
      
      A month or two later, if lucky, the figures would arrive, box ripped open by Customs and carelessly sellotaped back up and usually accompanied by some demand for extra (duty or sales tax) charges ‘to protect local industry’ of which we didn’t have.
      
      Those were the days!
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:01am
    - MCos
      
      People who were lucky enough to have the overseas funds to buy a car could on sell them at a profit. I think there might have been a waiting period.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:05am
      - DigNap15
        
        Yes my Dad did that three times with Ford Escorts.
        Each time he drove it for a year, then got more for it than he paid for it.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:17am
      - jonno1
        
        As I recall, for each car purchased on a non-remittance licence, eg by a farmer, the dealer could import another one. These were made available to “important” people such as doctors and ministers of religion. Those purchasers traded them back a year later at a profit and bought another one. Ah, the good old days!
        
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        February 24, 2019 12:38pm
      - Inandout
        
        Farmers bought new cars from tractor dealers without needing overseas funds, or other ‘essential’ businesses.
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:26pm
      - madamezucchininz
        
        ….yes…my grandfather and father who were importers…..known then as “manufacturers agents”….bought new cars with overseas funds…..I remember well my father having a Morris Minor Van that traveled the length of the country….for a year or so then sold for more than he paid for it and the same again with a Hillman Husky van…..I don’t know how he did all that travel in those little rattle traps on roads that were pretty rough back then….
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:51pm
    - kevn
      
      @gorse… 1960’s. I used to buy plastic airplane and car kits from a shop in the the (supposedly tax free) Channel Islands with the same postal note system. There was a very strict allowance, so I would stand outside the Post Office asking people to buy postal notes for me. Wait for weeks to get my little kits. They were not available in NZ.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:11am
      - Swifty
        
        I’d forgotten that.
        
        Yes, there was a limit – so you had to buy them up over time, or get others to buy them for you.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:25am
    - holysheet
      
      This is where the lefties hatred for the farmers started. In those days the only way you could get any oversea funds was to export stuff,. Farmers had overseas funds and they could buy flash cars whenever they wanted. My old man used to drive big plymouths, dodges and the like all imported by Todds from England. When Ford bought out the first Zephers and Zodiacs he got a Zodiac.
      I used to get the bash at school from the lefties kids because my old man was a “Rich prick”
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:19am
      - lifesgood
        
        People used to fly to duty free Norfolk Island to buy stuff and smuggle it back. I remember the fuss when Tizard flew there and came back with a stereo which was detected. The joke going round was “knock, knock – who’s there? A: Tizard – Tizard who? A:Tizard to smuggle a stereo into NZ.
        I also remember the car coat from Hong Kong thing. I collected money orders from my meagre income, sent them off, never got the car coat. That was quite a loss for me at the time.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:37am
      - stigie
        
        I guess there was less “rich prick” envy back then than there is today because of the liar media reporting..?
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:41am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Yes, holy, those rich prick farmers should have been made to stick with horse carts and drays pulled by bullocks. Cars are only meant for sealed city streets, eh.
        
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        February 24, 2019 10:07am
      - Viking2
        
        Ha, but no, Dodges and Plymouths were Chrysler from the USA. Humbers and Hillmans were the Brit stuff.
        Plymouths were amazing beasts by those days standards. Big V8′ Auto gearboxes and went like the clappers.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:56am
      - stigie
        
        The crumpet used to like being picked up in the Dodge’s, Plymouth’s and not to forget the Ford Twin Spinner.
        Back then the crumpet would not be seen in an old Humber, Hillman or a poxy Morris Oxford !~
        
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        February 24, 2019 12:49pm
      - madamezucchininz
        
        ….the lefties at my school thought I was a “rich prick’s” daughter ….cause of the car thing….
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:53pm
    - KH
      
      Yes. Car coats from Hong Kong. Mine was green.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:39am
  - Sacha
    
    When I was a child the money earned by farmers’ exports was what earned/comprised NZ’s overseas currency reserves. This was after the war in the late 1940’s. You could not use money held in NZ to buy overseas products without specific permission from the Reserve Bank.
    My parents wanted to buy a new car to replace their ancient old Oldsmobile. The wool that they sold earned UK pounds, so they had to use that money to buy a British made car, and pay for its shipping to NZ. It was a Daimler Conquest, and it had fitted suitcases in the boot – such elegance! My mother was devastated when the car arrived, and she found that the suitcases had been stolen somewhere during transit. And to add insult to injury, the replacement ones sent from the UK, didn’t fit the straps which were designed to keep the cases in place.
    In such small ways, the UK lost it’s reputation for fairness. We had all endured rationing as we supported the UK during the war – and this was how they rewarded us!
    Lesson learned.
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:17am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Seamans Union”…thieving bastards.
      
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      February 24, 2019 10:46am
      - peterwn
        
        I heard a story on how they smuggled tyres into NZ. They would tie a rope on them and hang them over the side of the ship so they looked like fenders.
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:36pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      Never trust the Poms. The class system is very much alive and the Pom never misses a chance to punch down and suck up.
      
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      February 24, 2019 10:50am
  - KevOB
    
    There was a time when it required a Reserve Bank permit to get a foreign magazine subscription.
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:43pm
  - peterwn
    
    Sooty – Those who had National Bank shares when it was Kiwi owned were lucky. Lloyds Bank (UK) progressively purchased the National Bank and paid out in UK Pounds. They used these Pounds to import a new car (or parts kitset) but then had to pay an outrageous amount of duty and sales tax on it. They had to keep the car one or two years before selling it and would sell it at a break even price or a slight profit.
    Owning a car dealership was a licence to print money.
    
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    February 24, 2019 1:42pm
    - Ross12
      
      As was owning any import licence, Peter.
      
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      February 24, 2019 3:01pm
- Nuffield
  
  I’m not surprised someone was grizzling about the amount of money people send to their families off shore. They send their hard earned $ to family overseas and give 10% to the Chrurch and live in poverty . According to Jacinda they need more money so we are effectively being asked to support those in Samoa and the Chruch
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:19am
Albert_Ross

As somebody who cares quite a bit about the environment in general and New Zealand’s wildlife in particular, I am reduced almost to tears by the wilful, obtuse, bordering-on-evil stupidity of Eugenie Sage’s ban on investment in research into genetically modified organisms and technologies https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/110783620/predator-free-forbidden-from-using-gene-editing-technology-a-handbrake-on-conservation-mp-says.

Is there any way in which this can be formally challenged? Are there potential grounds for judicial review here?

And have the Greens in government done anything that is genuinely beneficial to the environment?
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February 24, 2019 8:33am
- Universal Smith
  
  Green is a brand, for a regressive authoritarian political movement. They care nothing for nature or people.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:40am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    As is becoming increasingly apparent. Pray God (or whatever) that those of their voters who vote for them because they care about the environment, are seeing that.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:59am
    - sooty
      
      Green on the outside. Red in the middle.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:18am
    - Universal Smith
      
      Albert, the authoritarian left have really tainted the Green’s brand.
      
      Back when it was a bunch of kindly hippies they had a solid support base and picked up many occasional voters who were disappointed in politics.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:38am
      - Gravelroad
        
        There is no one more authoritarian left than the current Minister of Conservation.
        
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        February 24, 2019 10:09am
      - Universal Smith
        
        This is the worst government we have ever had inflicted on us. They are going to do incredible harm to us all. There are some very dark souls in power right now.
        
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        February 24, 2019 10:18am
    - peterwn
      
      They won’t. The Greens will continue to pay just enough lip service to environmental things to attract the ‘save the planet’ votes from some Remuera housewives despite the risk of family finances being ravaged by a left wing government.
      Perhaps the Greens might have made a stand for Kermedecs or cameras on fishing boats but were too scared of Winston (who will not even let the Greens lick his boots).
      
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      February 24, 2019 1:49pm
- The only red for me is that of Manchester United
  
  The most genetically modified food on the planet is the most widely eaten food on the planet. The Guinea Jungle Fowl our domestic chicken has been modified over and over. It resembles little from the original bird. So when ever Greens bang on about our dangerous GE food is, they have a hollow argument. I’ve been vegetarian for 20 years so the Greens can shove it.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:02am
  - Universal Smith
    
    All the vegetables we eat bear no resemblance to anything in nature. Most of us would starve to death in our most diverse forests, if forced to eat plants.
    
    In nature:
    • Most meat is safe to eat.
    • Most plants are toxic.
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:06am
- KiWombat
  
  “And have the Greens in government done anything – – – ”
  
  Well of course they have !
  
  We have only them to thank for getting rid of those horrid gigantic snails we used to have down here on the West Coast – remember?
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:22am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Carrots used to be purple. That is all
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Eugenie Sage has been in the Environmental Movement for at least 30 years (13 of them as F & B Campaign Manager).
  Last week she came up to Ruatoria and inspected some of the Forest damage caused by deer
  She reportedly said that “she had never before seen trees ring-barked because of the browsing of deer.”
  http://gisborneherald.co.nz/localnews/3971940-135/forest-nearing-point-of-collapse.
  
  What the hell has she been doing all those years she was working in environmental forestry and for F & B?….. sitting behind a computer; sticking to tourist tracks? walking in the bush with blinkers on?
  
  Credibility Zilch.
  
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  February 24, 2019 10:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    Drinking chardonnay and scoffing her free lunch….
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:41am
  - Viking2
    
    The deer were well into that forest before the eighties. Mates used to hunt there in the late 60’s.
    Possums are the problem as they are everywhere. you can probably add goats as well. But removing them would take away their cash cow.I think that Wairoa has the only goat killing works left on that coast.
    This is just a PR to get money to spend.
    And allow the dear to fatten up for the locals.
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:06pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Red Deer have been in the Waikaremoana area since 1899.
      On the mainland fresh deer and opossum drop- –
      pings are abundant. Red deer were wen established
      around Lake Waikaremoana in lhe 1920s (Forbes
      1924) from six liberations bel ween 1899 and 1918
      (Logan and Harris 1967). Opossums were liberated around Lake Waikaremoana on five occasions between 1898 and 1925 (Pracy 1962), and
      wild pigs have probably been present throughout
      the Urewera since 1840 (Wodzicki 1950). Wild
      cattle were once numerous in the Waikaremoana
      area (Cockayne 1926).
      https://newzealandecology.org/system/files/articles/ProNZES16_1.pdf
      
      I got onto Rahui Island (in the middle of L. Waikareiti) in 1973. It has never had deer….. The forest understorey was near impenetrable.
      
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      February 24, 2019 2:03pm
- MickMac
  
  yes albert they ditched the kerdemoc sanctuary because Winston told them too……
  
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  February 24, 2019 12:55pm
Salacious Crumb

So I went along to hear Jordan Peterson last night. Interesting and insightful with more than a tinge of humor. At the end he answered some emailed questions including one asking about what advice he had for someone entering politics.

His response was “you’d better understand why you want to do this and determine what you’re good at and how much experience you have. Go out and live, have a career and a family. It’s the perspective these give you (especially raising a family) that enable you to truly benefit a country in the political system through experience and wisdom.” He further commented around by suggesting that the worst people to enter politics are the ideologues; who’ve done none of that and do everything based on their ideology without the grounding pragmatism of life experience. This he suggests always ends badly when reality eventually gets in the way.

An American woman sitting next to me leaned over and said “He’s just described your Prime Minister”.
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February 24, 2019 8:44am
- Longknives
  
  There was a woman at Jordan Peterson??
  Verity Whatsherfsace was sneering that the entire crowd were lines of ‘Angry White Men’…
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:48am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    One of his best observations of that was “tonight I’ve talked about the first 4 rules of my book; the value of standing up straight and facing the world, treating yourself as someone worthy of helping, not comparing yourself to others but to who you were and surrounding yourself with friends who want the best for you. Isn’t that the basis of feminism?”
    
    Biggest cheer of the night.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:59am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘Are there any women here?’
    
    Funnier than the CoL, and cheaper!
    
    https://youtu.be/pRnyfVgQbXk
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:12am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  Jordan Peterson’s a career academic, which is usually not regarded as a significant improvement on career politicians among this blog’s commenters. All depends on whether they’re saying what you want to hear, I guess.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:58am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Academic, researcher, clinical psychologist, author and father of two. Seems reasonably balanced.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:00am
    - Viking2
      
      Give it a go.
      As someone has said what’s new. Well whats new is that for many this is their first opportunity to get another perspective of how their life can be.
      
      So much of what we get fed, taught is anti life. As JP explains there is intrinsic DNA that we don’t access but when accessed explains much.
      
      Read his book and watch his video’s and then come back and make your criticisms. I guarantee you think differently and will be happier.
      
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      February 24, 2019 12:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And another incorrect (lie) and idiotic post.
    
    He practiced until June 2017 when his public appearances and literary venture required his attention leaving him unable to adequately follow through with patient care.
    
    I have no opinion of Jordan Peterson having never listened to him or read any of his books.
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:37am
  - Sacha
    
    If you have read his book to the end, you will realise that he has used his extensive study of various religions, and the development of cultures, to gather together a picture of how ‘western’ culture has evolved.
    It’s not a 5 minute read. If you persevere, as a result you will spend a lot of time thinking when you come across some of the simplistic criticisms offered by the media pundits.
    And by thinking, it’s a natural follow-on that you will examine your own perceptions of what makes a good society and your own contribution to it. Things shift, ever so slightly, and personal (moral) decisions become a matter for serious thought. Living life is not simple, no matter what other people say.
    One interesting thing about the Peterson phenomenon is that while many people are discovering him, others are saying ‘what’s new?’
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:41am
  - pentwig
    
    psycho one
    you are certainly no academic, but your inane comments certainly do get blown away on KB!
    time for some pills
    
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    February 24, 2019 11:08am
  - Viking2
    
    Clearly Milt you need to watch lots of his video’s. You will find your life greatly enhanced by what you learn.
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:10pm
    - Tall Man
      
      pm has a closed mind, he must do to remain a supporter of the green party.
      
      Apart from destroy an industry and the region that depends on it, plus consign a fisheries reserve to the rubbish bin, what have the green mps done to enhance the lives of the people that they profess to represent?
      
      The only enhancing has been to their own standard of living..and taking back the “C” word, something that used descriptively accurately describes what they are.
      
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      February 24, 2019 2:50pm
  - Viking2
    
    Psycho Milt
    
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    Jordan Peterson’s a career academic, which is usually not regarded as a significant improvement on career politicians among this blog’s commenters. All depends on whether they’re saying what you want to hear, I guess.
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    Perhaps, but consider that if you never listen then you can never learn. you might or might not like what you hear but at least you have the choice of making an informed decision about your life.
    
    Like I said don’t criticize until you have had a read and listen.
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:20pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      As Prof Peterson says, “listen to what others are saying, you might learn something”. He also says “tidy your room”. A metaphor for “getting your own shit together and learning about what works and doesn’t work in life before you go out and tell others how to run their lives.”
      
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      February 24, 2019 2:02pm
- Durden
  
  SCrumb Did you remind her about Alexandra Ocasio-Cortes ?
  
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  February 24, 2019 10:25pm
DigNap15

It looks our MSM is going to run a CGT is fair campaign for the next 18 months!

At the moment the polls show more people are against it.
But with that constant barrage and from poofs like Jack Tame it may change!
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February 24, 2019 8:50am
- The only red for me is that of Manchester United
  
  You will see the CGT from now on being referred to as a “fairness tax”. Say it enough times without going into detail and people believe it. It’s the same as Labour never answering questions in interviews. They just say “Nine years of neglect”. The mantra gets used when ever fronted by the media. It’s smart as again if you hear it enough times people take it for the truth. Arden the liar will turn on the Mother Theresa image about fairness and people agree.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:08am
  - alloytoo
    
    My reply:
    
    “a tax on inflation isn’t fair.”
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:40am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Best tell the MSM especially the young ones that CGT is going to take 25% to 30% of their retirement funds along the way. That will wipe the smug smile off their faces.
  
  Example. A 25 yo with 40 years to 65 earning the salary a jurno earns and in a growth fund for most of the time as they should be would retire on around $500K in 2059. With CGT deducted that will be $350K to $375K.
  
  Reason, Every time the Fund Manager sells shares the Gumint will take 33% of the gains as CGT. Over 40 years the compounding effect adds up to a big number.
  
  Trouble is no one is taught compounding interest at school these days so they don’t understand how it works.
  
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  February 24, 2019 10:26am
- KevOB
  
  Even more will be against it when it is fully exposed. The actual proposals won’t be known till we see the legislation. Anything can be hidden in a tax Bill the size of the one required.
  
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  February 24, 2019 12:49pm
NZDirect

Labour liers capital gains tax = Asset theft, nothing more than communist asset theft
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February 24, 2019 8:50am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  Ha ha, yes please National, go with “taxation is theft” as an argument against a CGT, that would be awesome!
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:59am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Ironically that’s probably true. But then it is countering the hackneyed “property is theft” line from the progressive princess and her vermilion band.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:04am
  - Tall Man
    
    I understand you may have a role in education up Palmy way.
    
    If that is still the case I despair because you are so stupid I cannot see what you could offer in terms of education.
    
    Maybe toilet cleaning.
    
    “News Flash”, new legal defense from “the idiot branch of team ardern the liar”…”someone else did it before so I’m allowed to do it now…..”
    
    Yeah Right.
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:21am
    - Dave Mann
      
      I disagree with Psycho most of the time, but I find your arrogant rudeness towards anybody who disagrees with you most unpleasant. Also your continual harping on about Ardern being a liar is not only boring but it shows the shallowness of having a one-track mind.
      
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      February 24, 2019 10:53am
      - pentwig
        
        dave
        no one agrees with your comments most of the time, but you arrogantly give them to us anyway.
        Also boring and shallow, but we are not afraid of freedom of speech and your right to say it.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:15am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Dave Mann: I look on Tall Man’s responses to my comments as helpful, because they might cause a casual reader to assume they’re a typical example of the capacity for thought to be found on the right. Same with pentwig and a few others. So I can see why people on the right with genuine capacity for thought would be annoyed by it.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:23am
      - Tall Man
        
        Well, after that lovely salutation I’m just lost for words.
        
        Nah, found them again.
        
        Fuck off dipshit.
        
        Still “outraged” on behalf of all women about the “sizzle” ad?
        
        Patronising twat.
        
        Sorry…almost forgot
        
        ardern is a liar.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:23am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes pentwig, I don’t expect everyone to agree with me all the time.That’s the nature of a debate. However, you’re actually far from correct in saying that “nobody agrees with my comments most of the time”.
        
        But neither do I go around continually insulting people, calling them left wing idiots and trolls whenever they write something that I disagree with.
        
        That’s the difference.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:28am
      - MickMac
        
        but she is dave…
        
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        February 24, 2019 12:47pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Gosh pm, I can just feel the man love you have for dopey dave.
      
      I’ll let you two bask a little together in your wondrous self adulation….
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      as are many of her supporters.
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:26am
      - pentwig
        
        dave mann
        try and put a pro right wing comment on the stranded – banishment
        try and put up a comment that the mods disagree with on WO – banishment
        
        DPF allows freedom of speech within his limits which are extremely liberal
        rubbishing and calling out left wing nutter trolls is fun and they obviously enjoy it because they return continually to disrupt the flow of debate THEY disagree with notwithstanding they know it is a RW blog.
        Umm, do you comprehend?
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:13pm
  - NZDirect
    
    Milt – I see your envy is strong this morning
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:51am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Always amusing to see someone demonstrating they can’t conceive of a motive beyond self-interest.
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        As we are amused by watching you who struggles to actually “conceive” anything full stop.
        
        Guess what?
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        what does having that knowledge make her supporters? Liars or idiots?
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:29am
  - KevOB
    
    The Law Lords would agree in many cases with “taxation is theft” as an argument against a CGT.
    The proponents have not yet encountered the Law Drafters who have respect for tax law. There is a lot of law and history to navigate.
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:54pm
- MickMac
  
  that is correct.
  with CGT, Govt has a hold on a % of all your assets!
  
  whereas Income tax is just the income produced by the producer.
  
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  February 24, 2019 12:49pm
Longknives

Stuff’s latest hardcore Leftie columnist is sneering that Kids going to School without lunches is all OUR fault!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/110739982/howto-dad-thats-crap-new-zealand

Newsflash Jordan Leftytwat-Labour have removed ALL benefit sanctions! There is unlimited free $$$ and food grants from WINZ should these feral families get off their fat arses and use them…

*It amuses me also that he sneers about English being ‘boring’ at School (Yep he takes the time to have a dig at Pakeha Culture) but he writes with the capability of a Primary School child…
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- Longknives
  
  I see there are plenty of comments where people aren’t too happy with this guy attacking, sneering at and guilting ordinary hardworking Kiwis..
  I expect Stuff to close comments soon.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:07am
- Woz
  
  This is exactly why I no longer read Stuff, or the Horrid.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:09am
  - DigNap15
    
    I try not to as well.
    But where do you get your news from?
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:14am
    - srylands
      
      The Telegraph. The Financial Times. The AFR. The Economist. The Atlantic. New Scientist.
      
      Think about it. If you never heard any New Zealand news again, why would it matter? You are not getting any ‘news’ from the Herald or stuff. And certainly not from RNZ.
      
      If you do want New Zealand perspectives check out the better economics blogs. There are links in DPFs blog roll call.
      
      Reading and listening to crap is not news.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:47am
      - fernglas
        
        But if I didn’t read the Herald, how would I know how many hard working Kiwis weren’t killed in a plane crash in Outer Mongolia?
        
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        February 24, 2019 10:04am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The problem is outfits like KidsCan creates a need by simply being there.
  The lazy slothful drug addled so called parents think why bother giving the brats breakfast when they can get it free at school.
  
  This is the mentality the welfare system has created over the past 40 plus years.
  
  Its bred a series of generations who believe its the Gumints responsibility to wipe their arses for them.
  
  They have no respect for other. They are selfish me me me in the extreme.
  
  They laugh at their fellow citizens who work hard and pay the taxes that go to them. Its their right they say.
  
  They have no concept of responsibility.
  
  Fourty years plus of arsehole crap Pollies has created this situation all of them each out promising the other as to how much cash they will throw at the feckless lazy bastards. Encouraging them to breed more voter fodder for them.
  
  A Pox on all their houses.
  
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  February 24, 2019 10:34am
- Surely Knott
  
  We live near a Decile 1 school. They have a tuckshop where the following things are free for all. “Fruit, weetbix, snackbars, scroggin, smoothies, cold milk and chilled water, bread & spreads with a focus on healthy eating” at interval. And free hot lunches mon, wed, frid.
  
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  February 24, 2019 11:24am
  - Jules99
    
    Yeah, I know someone who worked in a decile 1 school. Free breakfasts for all sponsored by a large local manufacturer. The principal set up a system where the parents could pay the school directly for lunch to buy healthy sandwiches and wraps, avoiding the trap of kids spending cash on junk food in local shops. Worked well and was popular with parents, most of whom worked.
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:32pm
Nukuleka

RNZ ‘news propaganda’ this morning broadcasting the views of convicted fraudster Maori Climate Commissioner Donna Awatere- Huata, encouraging school children to strike in support of climate change. According to Ms Awatere- Huata ‘the earth is melting’.

Once a fraudster always a fraudster, I guess.
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February 24, 2019 9:01am
- Swifty
  
  Here’s a story.
  
  My father had a governance role in a certain well regarded Wellington school and set me right from an early age about, notwithstanding the fees, the mix of parents who sent their children there.
  
  I grew up with some very heart-warming stories of the sacrifices made and commitments shown by ordinary and very hard working NZ parents who wanted the best education for their kids – and in spite of the parent’s own very humble origins.
  
  Then, but only very occasionally, he’d mention some situations where he had to chase the very few parents who just would not pay their fees – the fees that they had agreed to pay in the first instance.
  
  Who? You know who.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:13am
- Woz
  
  That detestable, vile woman clearly has no shame, remorse, humility or brains. Her only ability is in obtaining taxpayer sinecures – she infamously failed at other methods of deriving funds, proving the old adage that you can’t trust a Maori with public money.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:15am
- RF
  
  Waitangi Day 1983 that scum was causing serious problems at Waitangi.
  
  The G G was Beattie and my understanding was that there was a threat on his life.
  
  AOS were loaded for bear and she and her coven were so lucky they did not try anything.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:54pm
Chuck Bird

For those who think that Simon Bridges is the wrong National Leader you should come along and tell him why.

Pizza & Politics
Wednesday 27th February 2019
From 5.00pm
The Good George, 432A Somerset Street, Hamilton

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/nationalparty/mailings/3007/attachments/original/Hamilton_West_-_Pizza___Politics_(4).pdf?1550560905
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February 24, 2019 9:03am
- DigNap15
  
  I like his drumming video!
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:13am
- Nostradamus
  
  Chuck Bird:
  
  You have a busy calendar in 2019:
  
  I am still planning on going to the Central Island Conference on 8 March and AGM in Christchurch 26 to 26 July.
  
  I assume you enjoy the policy debates and, perhaps, an opportunity to help shape National Party policy. Do you still attend NZ First events – or are those member-only events?
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:17am
- Universal Smith
  
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  Labour voters love Simon 5%
  
  In fact other than a few deranged imbeciles on KB, I reckon that is where his 5% comes from. Labour voters trolling the pollsters.
  
  I would love to attend, but may not be able to stop myself wiping the smug look off his face.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    You sound like a pathetic loser who would struggle to wie the dribble of your chin.
    
    You are so fucking stupid you do not realise that National supporters don’t really care who the leader is.
    
    They vote for the party and their policies whereas followers of ardern the liar are not labour voters. Labour voters hover around the 25% mark. The additional 12% are lovers of ardern the liar.
    
    They will turn, Simon will stay low as preferred Prime Minister but after 2020, National will form the government and the leader will be PM so NZ will finally gain some leadership.
    
    Wankers like you regard “newsreaders with charisma’ as celebrities, mature adults do not.
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:09am
    - Richard
      
      Got it in one. The bulk of Labours support in the last election came from having a new face, not new or sensible policies. I think that must still be pissing Andrew Little off a bit: no change in policy just a new face that wasn’t him….
      
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      February 24, 2019 10:25am
    - Universal Smith
      
      “You are so fucking stupid you do not realise that National supporters don’t really care who the leader is.”
      
      How do you explain National polling in the mid 40% and Simon around 5%
      
      Get your head out of your arse. Most Nats do not like Simon. Shooting the messenger is not a good winning strategy.
      
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      February 24, 2019 10:38am
      - Tall Man
        
        I would have to put my head up my arse to think like you but I’d rather not.
        
        National supporters don’t care who the leader is, never have and never will so you just pop off and worship somewhere else.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:20am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        How do you know what most Nats think?
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:22am
      - Universal Smith
        
        Oh s0 they were just kidding around when they said they don’t like Simon and won’t vote National if he is leader?
        
        I didn’t know Nats were such kidders. Thanks for pointing it out.
        
        Dog tucker.
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:24am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Isn’t that what you are doing with Simon, shooting the messenger?
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:20pm
    - big bruv
      
      Tall Man
      “You are so fucking stupid you do not realise that National supporters don’t really care who the leader is.”
      Yep, that sort of thinking gave us Muldoon and his tyrannical regime to say nothing of Bill English at 23%.
      It really is time that cheer leading Nat’s took their heads out of their collective backsides and got rid of Bridges. I’m not saying that Bridges is not a good man, what I’m saying is that he is the Nat equivalent of David Shearer (also a good man) The right (if one can still call the Nat’s a party of the right) needs somebody electable and acceptable to the electorate in general, sadly Bridges is not that man.
      Desperate times (and they fucking well are desperate) call for desperate measures. As Sonny Corleone said “we need a wartime Consigliere” we need Judith.
      
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      February 24, 2019 12:10pm
      - KevOB
        
        Are you really a whale floundering around in a dry harbour?
        
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        February 24, 2019 12:59pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Perhaps you and the universal dick could get together and get behind a “charismatic TV personality,” like tamati coffey for example, to provide an electable front for the real brains behind the party. I mean it worked so well for labour didn’t it, it’s just a crying shame that the only brains behind ardern the liar belong to wynston the thief and we now all know how that works out.
        
        I know he’s spoken for but surely tamati’s got a couple of elegible mates who’d be happy to help you out, especially as you are so distraught that a party out there has in excess of 40% support with a leader that is daily pilloried in the press by total morons, much like you two.
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:40pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Kev, a floundering whale has more brains than these two dimwits put together.
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  Cowards stick to their keyboards.
  
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  February 24, 2019 10:10am
  - Universal Smith
    
    Simon says:
    
    1. Lose the election.
    2. Bring the party vote below 30%
    3. Look smug.
    
    Dog tucker.
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:01pm
sooty

You have to remember,
Sullen Cullens balls were not big enough when he was in goverment!
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February 24, 2019 9:23am
big bruv

I went to the Jordan Peterson lecture last night at the Logan Campbell center. Apart from Dr Peterson spending a bit long pushing his religious views I found the lecture to be thoroughly entertaining, Dr Peterson was well deserving of the standing ovation he received at the conclusion of his lecture.
Two things struck me though, the first is that the Logan Campbell center is a dump that needs to be knocked down, the place is a shithole. Secondly, I spent the night sitting next to a Millennial who spent the entire two hours on his fucking phone. Who pays around $200 to attend a lecture then spend that time looking down at your phone for two hours? There should be a separate section (a bit like a creche) where Millennial’s can sit and play on their phones whilst the rest of us watch the show in glare free comfort.
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February 24, 2019 9:24am
- The Heat
  
  I also went to see Jordan Peterson, in Wellington. A very interesting lecture and had very little to do with politics and everything to do with hope and how to rise above it all.
  
  Then there was the press.
  
  The impotent, raging, deluded, uninformed, self-absorbed articles in our daily tabloids. By “journalists”. Their lack of influence and relevance in the face of Petersons overwhelming popularity. And they know it. They know they make no difference and he does. And it eats them up.
  
  Not one article that I saw addressed his points, merely weak attempts at character assassination. Standing, helplessly, against the wave that came crashing down on their empty heads, as can be seen from the comments sections.
  
  Peterson isn’t for you, wokesters. Why even try insert yourselves into the debate?
  
  Worried?
  
  Bless.
  
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  February 24, 2019 11:57am
Universal Smith

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The imbeciles are in full flight today. Some of them actually think the family home is some sort of investment that should be taxed as an income!

They spend the rest of their time blubbering and crying about the mere prospect of having to pay some income tax and how terribly unfair it is for them not to have welfare and suck like filthy parasites off of others.
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February 24, 2019 9:33am
- fernglas
  
  The point is that an increase in the value of the family home is just as much capital income as the increase in value of a Kiwisaver fund. Labour accepted that when the family home was specifically excluded from the terms of reference of the TWG. Before you go calling people imbeciles you should do some rudimentary analysis.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:58am
- big bruv
  
  Smith
  I’m more pissed off at this government (and the previous one) stealing money from me to give to the filthy parasites and bludgers who don’t want to work.
  
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  February 24, 2019 10:06am
  - Universal Smith
    
    big bruv, so am I.
    
    This is not about all one thing or another. There are a few loopholes that need looking at. Investment income should be taxed like any other.
    
    As for those who use the benefit as a lifestyle choice… my own views are very harsh. I would stop the single parent benefit (with 9 months lead in ) and provide a short term emergency benefit for genuine cases. Put far tougher requirements in for long term unemployed. They would be drug and alcohol tested regularly and randomly.
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:15am
    - Richard
      
      Investment income is taxed. At your PIR or if its interest on savings at your RWT.
      
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      February 24, 2019 10:19am
      - Universal Smith
        
        Richard, what about capital gains on commercial housing?
        
        Personally I think inflation should be taken into account when doing the calculations. I also do not think the law should have retrospective effect. So existing properties should be exempt.
        
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        February 24, 2019 10:47am
  - DigNap15
    
    A lot of them have jobs as meths cooks and drug couriers and sellers.
    
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    February 24, 2019 10:43am
    - Jack5
      
      Big Bruv, who to his credit is the country’s staunchest All Blacks supporter, says of tax:
      
      “…stealing money from me to give to the filthy parasites and bludgers who don’t want to work.”
      
      BB, you mean those lazy bludgers who spend so much time on the internet? ?
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:06am
      - Tall Man
        
        Present company excepted of course…..
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:32pm
lastmanstanding

Hopefully the COL will follow all the TWG recommendations and like the TWG not realise the number of voters including Labour Green and NZF who will affected. Don’t assume all “Rich Pricks” vote National ACT.
There will be a significant number who when hit in their hip pocket will quickly change their vote even if only once to ensure that they keep their hard earned funds.
Alas I suspect the COL will water down the TWG recommendations for that reason to try and get as much extra tax to waste without losing enough of their voters to lose Election 2020.
But hopefully they will fail.
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February 24, 2019 9:47am
- Rachael Membery
  
  And let’s face it lots of well to do Maori have assets outside of the tribes and are not exempt or will there be an opt out with proof of whakapapa?
  
  More work for the Waitangi Tribunal.
  
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  February 24, 2019 2:53pm
Richard

Lost amid the MSM noise over the TWG final report was the latest productivity numbers from statsnz:
https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/labour-productivity-growth-eases

It makes grim reading. Yet the COL is still throwing massive pay rises to state sector employees and sticking with the large minimum wage rise. I sense trouble ahead and the smell of inflation on the wind. Its always the poorest that get hit the hardest by that. Did Ardern and Robertson factor this into their “well being” budget?
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February 24, 2019 10:17am
- waikatogirl
  
  “Budget 2019: The Wellbeing Budget, … Details of the Wellbeing Budget will be announced later in the year and detailed in the Government’s Budget Policy Statement for 2019.”
  
  I don’t know how the majority of NZers equate “improved wellbeing” with having more of their hard-earned income stolen off them by the proposal to introduce CGT. Personally, and as a small business owner, the economic stupidity of the CGT makes me want to punch something. ?
  
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  February 24, 2019 10:45am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes I’m really keen to see how they will improve the well being of
    Drug users
    Beggars
    Neets sitting on couches
    Pensioners in the cold
    Men working in hard jobs
    Obese people
    People that have to look at obese people
    
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    February 24, 2019 11:41am
    - waikatogirl
      
      More to come when we see the nuts and bolts of Grant and Cindy’s “Wellness budget”. It is applicable to say “Houston, we have a problem” when the Minister of Finance admits he has no idea how the formula used by Treasury to rank funding for wellbeing is set. (QT last week in reply to Amy Adams.)
      
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      February 24, 2019 1:16pm
- KevOB
  
  The budget is going to be measured in Bolivars; money is being ~~deprecated~~ depreciated as a store of value.
  
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  February 24, 2019 1:19pm
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“It wasn’t plausible that a 40-year-old who was third in command of the Highway 61 gang and who was otherwise always alone when he attacked women would take a 16-year-old associate of arch-rival gang the Mongrel Mob along to watch him rape.

“That’s the guts of it. I had a feeling this was all going to turn to custard somewhere down the track, and it should do because, you know, the truth has a tendency sometimes to … come to the surface.”

Dave Henwood wrote this in 2012

Similarly the truth is coming out in the Lundy case, and a long list of liars is to be exposed.
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February 24, 2019 10:29am
- DigNap15
  
  You mean Ardern is going to be exposed?
  
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  February 24, 2019 10:41am
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    I am certainly curious why she would appoint a chief justice who is irrevocably embedded in the Lundy lies.
    
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    February 24, 2019 11:30am
    - Tall Man
      
      I am certainly curious why you continue to mistake us for people who give a fuck…..
      
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      February 24, 2019 2:30pm
      - Notsofast
        
        They want your daughter.
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:47pm
      - Tall Man
        
        You really need help so fuck off and get it.
        
        And don’t come back here until you wipe the brain matter of your shirt…..
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:29pm
Southern Raider

Queenstown has its first beggar. He’s slagging off Auckland as apparently we are all snobs and don’t like giving money.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/110699261/queenstowns-first-beggar-makes-up-to-100-a-day-says-snobby-aucklanders-are-tight
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February 24, 2019 10:33am
- Universal Smith
  
  Those frauds make it tough for the few who might find themselves homeless for a brief time. Most of us would help a genuine case on the streets, but good luck finding one.
  
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  February 24, 2019 10:41am
  - Southern Raider
    
    I would say very few are in desperate need to beg. Most have serious addiction and mental health issues and rather than the Govt sorting that out they encourage them.
    
    In Auckland they are abusive and threatening and wasted by 8am.
    
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    February 24, 2019 11:08am
    - Universal Smith
      
      Raider, yes.
      
      Been to Wellington recently? It is beyond a joke. Yet people still give them money for more drugs.
      
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      February 24, 2019 11:21am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Yep was out at night there a couple of weeks ago. People lying everywhere
        
        It’s a fantastic look for tourists
        
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        February 24, 2019 11:39am
      - Universal Smith
        
        The worst are the organised packs of charity beggers. They are in your face and form gauntlets. Seems everyone in Wellington wants to put their hand in other peoples pockets. Doing nothing in return.
        
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        February 24, 2019 12:05pm
      - MickMac
        
        i never do.
        
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        February 24, 2019 12:32pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Me and my partner were walking up Queen Street the other night and saw one of them smelly beggars sitting outside the LV store. He called out to us “Any change?”
  My partner replied, “No mate, still got the big house and three cars”
  
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  February 24, 2019 11:04am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Off to the Gulag.
    
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    February 24, 2019 2:57pm
  - Richard
    
    He will have jumped stright onto his facebook account told everyone how offended he was by your partners comment. Then gotten 50-60 supportive comments expressing outrage at the remark. The MSM will be knocking on your door shortly.
    
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    February 24, 2019 4:16pm
Fletch

More classic video of Bernie Sanders – this time a video from 1988 with him and his wife praising Russia after a trip there.

After his 1988 trip to the Soviet Union, @BernieSanders praises their (communist) youth programs and his wife Jane praises their (communist) system of not separating personal life and work.

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1098055555095121923/video/1
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February 24, 2019 11:08am
- All_on_Red
  
  Breadlines Bernie!
  
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  February 24, 2019 11:11am
cha

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

74 years ago today, Marines on Iwo Jima raised the flag atop Mount Suribachi.Semper Fidelis. pic.twitter.com/UsQ2z344Xp— U.S. Marines (@USMC) February 23, 2019

https://twitter.com/USMC/status/1099292794982518785
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February 24, 2019 11:15am
Viking2

FAILURE PHIL strikes again.

Landlords have been given until July 2024 to ensure rental properties meet the Government’s healthy home standards.

Housing and Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford announced the changes in Wellington on Sunday which will require a minimum standard for heating, insulation, ventilation, moisture and drainage in residential rental properties.

Twyford said nearly 600,000 households were rental properties but were of poor quality, compared to owner-occupied homes.

“It’s estimated about 200,000 families live in rental homes that do not have ceiling or underfloor insulation,” he said.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110823014/owners-of-rental-properties-have-until-2024-to-reach-healthy-homes-standards-government-announces?cid=facebook.post&fbclid=IwAR2fizdxZ3CWcdAxxWOPWSE4xgi8wGu_uvc_3w9a54KnIcESaR_O_R_LpGs
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February 24, 2019 11:18am
- MickMac
  
  why give them so much time.
  we did our underfloor for $1500
  the roof was all good but we did another layer on the fluff ourselves.
  easypeasy.
  
  give them a year, then throw the book at them…
  good landlotds are all good, it’s the twats you want at.
  
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  February 24, 2019 12:30pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Underfloor insulation: Floors lose only about 10% of heat.
    
    So, monthly electricity usage, excluding lighting, cooking, appliance use and hot water, say 25% for heating alone? Average winter power bill around $300 so 20% of heating is $60 and 10% is $6.00 per month saving and the 10% loss is for a completely open subfloor without sisalation or plastic covering on the ground.
    
    Allow 6 months of “winter” heatng so $36.00 per year saved so you should break even in approx 40 years….. This excludes any houses with sisalation or a concrete slab as they are already @ 90+% efficiency.
    
    Double everything above and you get payback in 20 years ish…
    
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    February 24, 2019 2:27pm
- Ultima
  
  bloody hell, more reasons for rentals to be sold to owner occupiers. Renters are going to be in for a tough ride under this govt.
  
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  February 24, 2019 12:44pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Yet Labour are still banging on about National demolishing those crusty old state houses that were no longer fit to live in. Those old uninsulated boxes sat on large sections that now have many more brand new warm, dry houses with many more tenants.
  The left cannot beyond the end of their own envious noses. ?
  
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  February 24, 2019 1:26pm
  - DigNap15
    
    National should have shown some of those develpoments off so that people could see what they were doing.
    But Oh I forgot the MSM only shows people living in cars.
    
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    February 24, 2019 2:51pm
- Woz
  
  “Mr Twyford said the new requirements could cost landlords up to $7000 but he doesn’t expect them to push rental prices up.”
  
  I can’t believe what a fucking noodle Mr Twyford is.
  
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  February 24, 2019 2:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    He publically supports ardern the liar and makes excuses for her bullshit….enough said….
    
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    February 24, 2019 2:19pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Mr Phail Twitford fails to realise private landlords are unable to do as the government, not charge the tenant but instead pass the cost of improvements to the taxpayer.
    
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    February 24, 2019 2:57pm
- Inandout
  
  Then there is the $200 million cost of upgrading state houses, so where is Fearless Phil getting that money from if he can’t raise rents? Many pensioners in their own homes can’t afford all these add-ons, but renters get the rewards. We have a rental down the drive from us and they never open windows in summer or winter. Their heat pump/air con though goes 24/7.
  
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  February 24, 2019 2:35pm
- madamezucchininz
  
  …..Only Housing NZ are being given til 2024….private landlords ….2021….and if they get a new tenant 90 days…..heat pumps…..range hoods…..bathroom extractor fans…..as well as gaps causing drafts to be plugged….guttering & drains to be fixed if causing damp…..Tenants do not like using heat pumps….too expensive…..tenants do not open enough windows causing damp conditions and I could go on…..I have spoken to many Mum and Dad landlords who are selling up and I expect more will do so on this nanny state legislation…..talk about causing a housing crisis…
  
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  February 24, 2019 7:21pm
Nostradamus

From ABC Australia: Grace wears a red light bucket on her head for 40 minutes a day — she says it improves her life

A group of Tasmanians living with Parkinson’s disease claim putting red lights on their head twice a day is slowing down the progression of their symptoms and improving their quality of life.

These sorts of media stories – involving some miracle cure or other – seem to crop up periodically.

See, for example, this NZ Herald article from 19 years ago. It was written by a “medical reporter” with a questionable headline: “The cure for cancer?”. The short version: Australian researchers claimed that an extract from the green-lipped mussel, called lyprinol, killed human cancer cells in the laboratory. There’s media coverage. And everyone rushes off to buy green-lipped mussels. In NZ the price went through the roof.

And, in Australia, ABC Mediawatch recently covered a similar “cancer cure” story. Here’s an extract from the transcript:

But now, to a medical breakthrough that’s gone viral around the world following this fabulous good news story in The Jerusalem Post:

A CURE FOR CANCER? ISRAELI SCIENTISTS MAY HAVE FOUND ONE
– The Jerusalem Post, 28 January, 2019

A cure for cancer? Now that would certainly be news … So, it’s no surprise the story soon made headlines all over the world. From the New York Post, whose report was syndicated to News.com.au in Australia, where it was followed up by every commercial TV network.

It’s interesting that ABC’s Mediawatch programme criticises cancer reporting and then, 2 weeks later, the same ABC reports (somewhat uncritically in my view) that wearing a red light on your head can help people with Parkinson’s disease.
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February 24, 2019 11:24am
- Jules99
  
  The thing I like about the red light bucket is that you can make your own, and it doesn’t look like there is some vested interest profiting out of it. I observed some special needs students testing equipment some years ago, and they found that coloured filters and films made quite a difference to their performance. Probably quite cheap to do a study on it too.
  
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  February 24, 2019 12:41pm
brett68

This is why you need to get rid of Ross.
https://twitter.com/jamileeross/status/1099427845267283968

Also Simon, don’t go on shows like The Project,they’ll never give you a fair go, that show is nothing more than a propaganda arm for Ardern and the COL

Going on that show to be ridiculed and put down just makes you look weak and needy.
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February 24, 2019 12:06pm
- Muttonbird
  
  It’s important for the National Party to be held to account.
  
  If their policy work is a shambles then it should be pointed out.
  
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  February 24, 2019 12:10pm
  - brett68
    
    It’s important for the National Party to be held to account.
    
    National isn’t the government, you seem to struggle with that fact.
    I can’t remember Labour getting put under the microscope when in opposition, they could show up , lie and rant on about any bullshit they wanted.
    
    Shows like the project are shilling for Ardern and Labour so it’s pointless for Bridges to go on them
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:18pm
    - MCos
      
      “I can’t remember Labour getting put under the microscope when in opposition”
      You must have been asleep for nine years.
      
      When you say “get rid of Ross”, what did you have in mind?
      
      Reminds me of a cartoon I saw once in an IPENZ bulletin. Two mafia types were looking at a big crack in a bridge abutment. One says – I don’t understand, we buried two structural engineers in there.
      
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      February 24, 2019 1:06pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Selective memory. It’s almost as if the nine year pile-on never happened.
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:02pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Do you have a clue about what you write?
        
        Sometimes I really think you need a time out before the comment gets put up.
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:04pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      National isn’t the government, you seem to struggle with that fact.
      
      I’m not struggling with that fact. I’m very happy with it as all Kiwis should be.
      
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      February 24, 2019 2:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        mutton turd, if you are so happy, why do you bother with your hate posts on here?
        
        Shouldn’t you be off celebrating somewhere..or is reality sinking in and your unswerving support of a vacuous liar is starting to reveal that this load of clowns will do little for your country?
        
        Silly me, you, like the rest of labour supporters, don’t give a shit about the country do you, it’s all about screwing the “rich pricks” to get more for yourself.
        
        Disappointment must be hard to take isn’t it? Does that explain your obsessional hatred for those who succeed?
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:08pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Maybe so, or he could just own it, and it shows the programme up for what they are.
      
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      February 24, 2019 3:12pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Not easy to do with “selective” editing and judcious ad breaks.
        
        I think he is quite good in open debate but like the All Blacks, he needs a few phases to get into his stride and television is not conducive to his style.
        
        However, my television skills are limited to viewing so I’m not sure what path he should take.
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:27pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    A shame you are too thick to hold your Labour party to account, but wait, fair enough you can`t because they don`t have any fucking policies after nine long years of sitting on their lazy arses doing nothing except for barking at every passing car.
    Labour, the countries highest paid unemployable beneficiaries.
    
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    February 24, 2019 1:03pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      You suit your username.
      
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      February 24, 2019 2:02pm
      - Tall Man
        
        As you suit yours. A stinky old bird that is only fit for fertilizer.
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:12pm
  - Komata
    
    MB@12,10
    
    And not the CoL?
    
    What’s good for the goose etc.
    
    So when are YOU going to hold the CoL to account?
    
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    February 24, 2019 5:39pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Jamie is more popular than Simon.
  
  Simon is probably busy at church today listening to voices in his head.
  
  Dog tucker.
  
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  February 24, 2019 12:11pm
  - DigNap15
    
    So whats wrong with good Christian values?
    
    Where are you today?
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:23pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Where are you today?”
      
      My guess is a place of complete mental unawareness.
      
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      February 24, 2019 12:28pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        You were drinking from breakfast on, we know that.?
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:04pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Jeez you are a jealous little monkey aren’t you.
        
        As I said before, doesn’t everyone have a glass of champagne with breaky?
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        muttonturd is a jealous wee monkey…
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:14pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Do you want me to link to your effort the other night, when you talked about Winston Peters’ cock in socialist arse?
        
        Are you 12 or something? All your comments suggest so.
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Go for it muttonturd, everyone here is well aware that wynston the thief and sullen cullen the envious dwarf are both royally fucking New Zealand all in the name of revenge, the aquisition of personal wealth and spite, pure and simple spite.
        
        I was probably a little restrictive in my assment of whose arses wynston was targetting, I may have incorrectly assumed it was only socialists but upon reflection I now think it is everyone, metaphorically speaking.
        
        Mind you, the absolute socialist tossers like yourself may well be keen on a more “realistic arse fucking…
        
        Bugger, nearly forgot, thank god for the edit function..
        
        ardern is a liar
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:14pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      There is no God. Truth matters. Lack of belief in ancient myths assists in the development of values and decency. Belief, in one of the thousands of Gods, hinders people’s moral development.
      
      Just look at what it has done to Tall Man. Poor fellow is in a terrible state. He has even convinced himself Simon is popular and will win in 2020.
      
      Meanwhile his hero grovels before a boy raping pedo listening to voices in his head.
      
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      February 24, 2019 12:34pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Who are you trying to convince?
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:16pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Nice reposte Rachael.
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:17pm
    - MCos
      
      “So whats wrong with good Christian values?”
      
      Many times I wonder that when I read about actions & comments by people who profess to be Christians.
      
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      February 24, 2019 1:20pm
      - DigNap15
        
        Note that I said Christian values!
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:49pm
    - Inandout
      
      He is on the porno site, wanking between posts.
      
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      February 24, 2019 2:37pm
  - Richard
    
    The hate is strong with this one.
    
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    February 24, 2019 12:56pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      You can’t hate something that you don’t believe in. God is not real.
      
      Simon will never be PM. People can sense something is not right with Simon. Just like the other christian conservatives. Simon has a secret.
      
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      February 24, 2019 1:08pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Why do you care so much? Seems to be a mantra.
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:17pm
      - Richard
        
        God may not be real. But Simon is. This seems to upset you deeply based on your comments. Are you seeing someone about this?
        
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        February 24, 2019 4:18pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Yeah but the stupid outweighs the hate.
      
      An entertaining mix
      
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      February 24, 2019 1:08pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Awful, that is a bit mild. What ever happened to the good ole christian shut your f…ing mouth bitch! you previously used?
        
        Are you turning gay like Jesus? 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:13pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Sorry, I will try again.
        
        This fucker is soo stupid if he was a leeming he wouldn’t remember to meet up for the cliff dive.
        
        He needs to take the Simon Bridges mask off his gay sex doll, remove the Trump but plug and fuck off to lie in urinal at the next labour caucus.
        
        Wanker.
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:24pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Awful, now that outburst is more like the good christian we know.
        
        Will you be this loyal to the next leader who rolls Simon?
        
        Do you pray for Simon?
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:31pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Sorry to disappoint, I haven’t voted National for the last couple of elections and am not a supporter of that party.
        
        So none of them get shit from me.
        
        You couldn’t be more wrong could you loser,
        
        Sucks to suck.
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:40pm
      - stigie
        
        Iv’e wondered too if he was rodgering a Simon Bridges blow up man ?
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:40pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Awful, would you vote for National if Simon came out of the closet and legalised dope to celebrate it?
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:42pm
      - Swifty
        
        Kea’s having a bad day today.
        
        He hates himself so he comes here to fuck up everyone else’s day. Notice he’s been on here all day? Don’t forget this is the same guy who has been warned, striked, and banned from here more than any other single individual, and DPF is a very tolerant guy.
        
        You wan’t to know his real problem though?
        
        THE JEWS!
        
        It’s all the fault of THE JEWS!
        
        Universal Smith/RC/Kea etc is one sick puppy.
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:48pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Yup, This version of Kea needs a good femdom.
        
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        February 24, 2019 1:57pm
      - holysheet
        
        surely kea wouldn’t be so stupid?
        comments policy says
        “If you try to get around a suspension, by setting up a second account, then that may result in a permanent ban. Writing styles tend to be quite distinctive, and it is often easy to spot if someone has set up a second account.”
        
        I admit the writing is very similar to Keas shit, but only DPF will know if it is him or not.
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:22pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Holy, yeah Kea is that stupid. You only have to read the posts to see that ?
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:40pm
      - Swifty
        
        Jumping Jehosaphat!
        
        Of course it’s him and he’s been doing it since, if not before, the Kea username got the final push.
        
        Hasn’t that been obvious to everyone?
        
        Kea – RealityCzech – Universal Smith and a bunch of others all sticking it to DPF and flouting his hospitality.
        
        He thinks he’s above everyone else, that rules don’t apply him, that everyone else is a fuckwit and he has an unstoppable compulsion to come here everyday to let everyone know.
        
        He’s a jew-hating arsehole.
        
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        February 24, 2019 2:57pm
      - Swifty
        
        *he’s a jew-hating arsehole who writes on a public blog that a man who rapes a nurse, while his own missus in in having their baby, is a ‘legend’.
        
        What a PoS.
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:10pm
      - stigie
        
        What a man !~
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:19pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        NURSE !!!!
        
        Suddenly they all started gibbering about the Jews and some conspiracy to trick DPF.
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:34pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Weak bro….
        
        Sucks to suck
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:39pm
  - Grant
    
    As are you son
    G
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:05pm
Cobolt24

Meanwhile in Venezuela: pro-Madoru military trucks carrying humanitarian aid have been set on fire and civilians are trying to save what they can in this video:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/atz90i/breaking_news_all_four_trucks_carrying/
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February 24, 2019 12:27pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Oh don’t worry. US intervention will fix it. They have a long history of successful intervention in South America. Even better than their great work in the Middle East.
  
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  February 24, 2019 1:18pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Maybe the U.N could intervene then? They have a proud record of helping the defenseless against tyranny like they did in Kosovo, Yemen and Rwanda. Or we could send in Golriz to act as Maduro’s defence council for the atrocities being perpetuated there. She’s good like that.
    
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    February 24, 2019 1:46pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      No they are worse. They have done nothing to stop the genocide in Palestine.
      
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      February 24, 2019 3:35pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        And there it is…. Kea 101
        
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        February 24, 2019 3:42pm
      - alloytoo
        
        They’ve done nothing about the hail of rockets being directed at civilians in a sovereign state.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:48pm
Woz

Today it is Universal Smith’s turn to hold the troll baton, in the absence of Morris Minory, ztev and stephieboy.
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February 24, 2019 2:18pm
- Richard
  
  They’ve had those squirrels on a diet rich in fats, protein and carbohydrates over the summer break. Expect to see alot of them all over the blogs and MSM comment sites. Don’t want people looking to closely at the CGT, disastrous foreign and trade relations, rising unemployment, polytechnic centralisation, education centralisation, falling student numbers despite one year free, failed Kiwibuild, failed Provincial Growth Fund ad infinitum
  
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  February 24, 2019 4:10pm
- DigNap15
  
  At least they come up with distinctive names.
  They could have been LabourTroll1, LabourTroll2, LabourTroll3.
  
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  February 24, 2019 4:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Dickwit1..2..and so on…
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:18pm
Niz

I was just reading an article in Stuff about how we need to turn to Maori in our efforts to fix climate change, and something Dr Skipper said in the article interested me. He said that Maori weather predictions, like regular science, are consensus-based.
When did that happen?
Why did we bother doing all those fucken chemistry experiments in class at school when all the teacher had to do was ask us what we thought might happen!?
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February 24, 2019 2:42pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Not ask all of us apparently.
  
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  February 24, 2019 3:21pm
DigNap15

Wow I never realised that Maori were such scholars.
Pity they have forgotten all about education these days
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February 24, 2019 2:47pm
- Longknives
  
  Yes apparently Pre-European Maori were phenomenal Scientists! And to avoid a Global Warming Catastrophe we just need to hand over ownership of all our lands and resources to them…
  
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  February 24, 2019 3:03pm
  - big bruv
    
    “Yes apparently Pre-European Maori were phenomenal Scientists”
    Is that why they had not got around to inventing the wheel by the time Honkey arrived?
    
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    February 24, 2019 4:41pm
- barnacle bill
  
  There are many highly educated Maori.
  
  As there are of all races in this country.
  So to single out Maori is a rather boring accusation.
  
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  February 24, 2019 3:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nice attempt at being a pc twat.
    
    His comment was clearly directed at the stupidity of the claim that pre european maori were scientific to the point of possessing a solution to “climate change”.
    
    Just a feeble attempt by yourself to alter a comment from a comment into racial abuse.
    
    I find condescension more insulting as I am sure many maori also do.
    
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    February 24, 2019 3:21pm
- Inandout
  
  DN15, the early Maori people were as basic a culture as could be imagined, on a par with Australian Aborigines, but without the artistic flair of the latter. In fact the Aussie lot were also excellent trackers as well.
  
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  February 24, 2019 3:59pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, I was just commenting on what Stuff had said.
    They were the ones peddling rubbish.
    
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    February 24, 2019 4:20pm
  - Viking2
    
    As far as I know the Aborigines didn’t eat one another!
    
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    February 24, 2019 7:38pm
auckwood

Cyclists…… https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12206749

“The couple put their experience in New Zealand down to a combination of factors.
They included narrow roads with no shoulders, few alternate roads, speeding vehicles, a lack of education and simple impatience.”

Considering they’re on a main highway/congested tourist route that was woefully inadequate for vehicles 15yrs ago, let alone now, and is also a steep windy mountain pass where the comical speed of the cyclists going up hill is ridiculous, maybe its time for some common sense to prevail, and remove cyclists from these dangerous stretches of road across the country until there is safe infrastructure for them to be catered for.

And yes, I am well aware that technically cyclists have every right to be on the roads with other vehicles, but when our tiny country’s state highways also double for our tourist trail, and is a absolute embarrasment of a road network, poorly maintained and woefully congested from lack of investment/upgrades to match population growth, then maybe a more common sense based approach is needed (without grinding the country to halt behind a cyclist doing 5-10kms uphill for example)
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February 24, 2019 3:04pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  From the linked article:
  
  “Two separate travelling couples, one from Belgium and one from Switzerland informed us they had been sworn at a number of times for cycling on the road.”
  
  The Belgian tourists – a man and his 20-year-old nephew – were spat on out of the passenger side window in the Twizel region.
  
  …
  
  “It’s so upsetting and infuriating for us to think that tourists are coming all the way from around the world to explore our beautiful natural wonders and for their efforts are being treated so disgustingly.
  
  True. On the other hand, tourists should try and get a taste of the authentic local culture when they visit, and these Belgian and Swiss tourists have experienced the genuine article. NZ has a lot of arseholes in it, and those arseholes are never more of an arsehole than when they’re driving. Some aspects of a country’s culture are less attractive than others.
  
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  February 24, 2019 3:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And you seem to speak with knowledge. I also have found the left to be rather odious, especially on here.
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:16pm
- DigNap15
  
  I’d rather cyclists stayed off our roads.
  And stayed out of our cities, or used the foot path!
  
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  February 24, 2019 4:24pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Even when there is a cycle path anecdotally cyclists still use the road. Should there be a fine if a cycleway has been provided but not used?
    
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    February 24, 2019 4:41pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Yes….
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:15pm
nasska

The religious nuts on this forum may or may not look back with nostalgia for the days when they went home late from choir practise with a sore arsehole but a least they weren’t alone:

…..”Activists in Poland toppled a statue of a prominent Solidarity-era priest early Thursday amid allegations that he sexually abused minors, a protest against what they called a failure by the Catholic Church and society to resolve the problem of clergy sex abuse……

……The activists then placed children’s underwear in one of the statue’s hands and a small white lace church vestment worn by altar boys on the statue’s body to symbolize the suffering of the young people he allegedly molested.”……

In the name of The Father, The Son & The Holy Ghost……let me feel your bottom. 🙂
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February 24, 2019 3:18pm
- Universal Smith
  
  To this day christian conservatives defend these pedophiles and bring them their children to bugger around with. There are a number of them on this very thread promoting their man Simon.
  
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  February 24, 2019 3:39pm
stigie

“let me feel your bottom.”

But that’s far better than what the Cardinals and Bishops have been up to all these years !~
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February 24, 2019 3:33pm
- nasska
  
  The Catholics can put away their worry beads stigie. “The Boss” is sorting things out:
  
  …..” Pope Francis opened a landmark sex abuse prevention summit Thursday by warning senior Catholic figures that the faithful are demanding concrete action against predator priests and not just words of condemnation”……
  
  BUT
  
  ……”The Vatican isn’t expecting any miracles or even a final document to come out of the summit”…….
  
  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-demands-bishops-act-now-on-abuse-at-vatican-summit
  
  So just another yap fest. The priesthood will continue to use the children trapped by their vile religion as disposable sex aids.
  
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  February 24, 2019 3:43pm
  - Swifty
    
    The greatest and longest-lived organised child rape gang and associated cover-up the world has ever seen.
    
    A loathsome organisation.
    
    They would have long been swept away if it weren’t for the fact that their many leaders have claimed to be Christ’s Vicar on earth and therefore immune from scrutiny.
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:09pm
    - nasska
      
      Have you noticed Swifty, how when you point out that the gullible fools who believe in a Skyfairy are perpetrating the child abuse they suffered from themselves, they take it personally & stab impotently at the red tick symbol? 🙂
      
      So spineless that they need the crutch of an imaginary friend to guide them through life they kneel before something that isn’t there & implore the priest of their non existent deity to intercede.
      
      Through their failings & ignorance they offer up their own children to perverts.
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:27pm
      - Swifty
        
        And here’s one of the most recent – Australia’s own George Pell:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pell
        
        Here he is with Richard Dawkins if you’ve not seen it nasska:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD1QHO_AVZA
        
        A more inept performance from an opponent of Dawkins I am yet to see.
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:00pm
Ross12

Jack Tame needs to learn a little about starting and running a business before he offers opinions on a CGT. From his column in the NZH

“…I’m also not suggesting that if you’re smart, you take a financial risk, invest in property, or develop a business, and then one day flick it on, you shouldn’t be able to make a good profit. Hell yeah, you should make a profit! You should be rewarded.
But when everyone else is paying tax on their income, the checkout operator, the meatworker, the graphic designer, surely for the sake of fairness, you should also pay a bit, too.”

If you have taken the risk and inevitably made a few sacrifices to build a business and sell attracting a CGT (if implemented) then that business will be profitable and therefore would had paid company tax —that Jack is how business owners pay their bit.
I acknowledge it can be a little different with investing in property but a risk is still involved (eg. crappy tenants costing you heaps) , cost of upkeep of the property , property markets do always go up or continue going up etc.
So Jack, go out and learn a little before you try to lecture us all about fairness.
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February 24, 2019 3:36pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Pay your way parasite. Your welfare is going to end so get your head around it and start contributing.
  
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  February 24, 2019 3:52pm
  - Ross12
    
    Who are you referring to with that comment US ?
    
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    February 24, 2019 4:35pm
- Inandout
  
  Who is Jack’s boyfriend nowadays?
  
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  February 24, 2019 3:54pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    Simon. He is clearly a closet fag.
    
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    February 24, 2019 3:55pm
    - KevOB
      
      You just invite reporting.
      
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      February 24, 2019 5:30pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You seem to post that slur a little too much.
      
      Are you interested in him in a non political way. You seem to be very spiteful…
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:05pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  …that business will be profitable and therefore would had paid company tax —that Jack is how business owners pay their bit.
  
  So, if you already paid tax on one source of money, you shouldn’t have to pay tax on any other source? It’s an interesting idea, but can’t see NZ governments of any stripe being persuaded by it.
  
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  February 24, 2019 4:03pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    But but but income tax is so unfair. Just look how sad and hysterical they all are! LOL 🙂
    
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    February 24, 2019 4:10pm
  - Ross12
    
    PM
    The clear implication of Tame’s comment was business owners were not paying their/any share.
    
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    February 24, 2019 4:37pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      In that case, it was wrong of Tame to say that. However, it was also wrong of you to say that tax on profit is effectively the same as tax on capital gain.
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:41pm
      - Johnboy
        
        If I was a fuckin fuckwit called “Tame” I would change my name to “Angry” or “Nasty” or Utter Bastard”…….What a fuckin wanker! 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:45pm
  - Swifty
    
    Not if the cost of collection or complexity or damage to the reputation of the government, as a result, exceeds the value of the tax collected.
    
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    February 24, 2019 5:30pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nice to see you are consistantly….. stupid.
    
    You know nothing about how a business operates. I suggest you share some of your knowledge with the local tradesmen and shop keepers you deal with.
    
    I’m quite sure they will not make you wait to long to assist you with the removal of your ignorance.
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:10pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I hereby acknowledge Tall Man’s clear superiority when it comes to matters of ignorance.
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:42pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Really, was that an insult?
        
        I don’t get it so it must be very clever…unlike you.
        
        Still supporting the greens?
        
        Poor sad bugger.
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:42pm
- KevinH
  
  Perhaps when young Jack goes into business he will understand the value of capital to a business owner.
  People invest their life savings in their business along with funds sourced from banks, families and friends.
  It is a risk, a gamble, you stake everything on success.
  People will eventually sell their business for a variety of reasons, stress, health or time to get out. If they can make a profit on the sale of their business then that is a fair and just reward for the effort put in, the long hours, juggling income against expenses.
  It’s not easy, in fact many small businesses fail because of poor performance, a lack of cash flow.
  However for the successful folks you go on. You start another business or you expand and of course you need capital to do that, and that is where making a profit is essential.No profit, no growth.
  Likewise with homes.You sell and hope to profit so that you can trade up. A CGT will impact that, limit your opportunities. A CGT at the top marginal rate of 33% will stymie growth.
  
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  February 24, 2019 5:28pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Young jack will never go into business, he will suck at the teat as long as his lefty biased media keep him in front of us.
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:13pm
    - sooty
      
      Till they sell the tv station out from under him!
      
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      February 24, 2019 10:13pm
- KevOB
  
  The shop worker doesn’t borrow 300K on a mortage against putting their family at risk or have to sign a guarantee that way. The business owner has to take the risk also of paying the employee who steals time, stationery and other “perks”. The owners frequently will have less cash personally available for themselves than their individual workers–they must be paid next payday. The family will be supported by the spouse’s job.
  
  CGT applied wildly allows no reward for risk nor incentive to lose the family home if all does not go well. That includes the owner’s health which can cause a business to crash.
  The small bit passed onto the kids at the end has had tax paid on the income generated. Any surplus is fortunate but without it most businesses would not persevere. Try talking your wife into putting the home at risk to make only a modest fluctuating wage.
  
  CGT is a theft of hope.
  
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  February 24, 2019 5:48pm
  - Ross12
    
    Kev
    CGT is a theft of hope.
    
    That is the best comment on the issue I have seen.
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:36pm
- auckwood
  
  Unless you have personally gone out and started your own business, and struggled through the tough times, then you have no idea what it takes and the cost of doing business. The fact that apparently 80% of start-ups fail is scary enough to put a lot of people off, let alone having to hand over a 2nd tax if you do somehow manage to beat those odds, and grow your business into something profitable.
  
  A lot of the time, once you factor in the real time a business owner spends working, its normally less than minimum wage, then the extra stress, worry, concern that impacts your mental and physical health over time, there really isnt much of a capital gain realized at all when the time comes to sell your business.
  
  But when the majority of the CoL have little to no experience in the real world as an employee, let alone an employer, of course they wouldn’t understand the realities of this, much like the generational benefit specialists, or the lazy with no real drive or desire to better themselves, who all think taking more from those who have put in that extra effort is much more ‘fair’ and easier for them.
  
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  February 24, 2019 7:20pm
  - Viking2
    
    MYOB today released a survey of SME’s and the health of business owners. From memory 49% suffer from mental illness during the journey to syccess.
    
    Is that not worth something at the end?
    
    Was on six oclock news.
    
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    February 24, 2019 7:48pm
Awww C-mon

Taking bets now on when Universal Dickhead/ Kea will complete its latest meltdown.
DPF of course will have to adjudicate on the final comment so it maybe tomorrow before we have an answer, and it more important that DPF have family time than manage this shite.
I am going to aim for between 5:00 and 5:30 tonight.
Happy to take bets below, of course we can’t do prizes but bragging rights are up for grabs.
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February 24, 2019 4:12pm
- stigie
  
  It’s been a while now since we’ve had a damn good meltdown.
  The entertainment value is first class !~
  
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  February 24, 2019 4:31pm
  - big bruv
    
    “It’s been a while now since we’ve had a damn good meltdown.”
    
    When it comes to Kiwiblog meltdowns there is nothing to compare with the infamous D4J meltdown.
    
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    February 24, 2019 4:39pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      Bro, you should check out the meltdowns of Simon’s fan club today. Epic stuff. A bit scary to think they are out wandering around the community though.
      
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      February 24, 2019 4:44pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Silly boy. You’ve had your arse handed to you today by all and sundry. Still, in your tiny mind, you’re a very clever boy..
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:00pm
    - stigie
      
      Nothing compares with a Dad meltdown BB and btw, we still haven’t seen that exciting book he was going to write exposing your good self at the forefront of his grief ?
      
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      February 24, 2019 4:48pm
      - big bruv
        
        Yes Stigie, the newbies here just don’t know what they are missing out on. Ahh, those were the days!
        
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        February 24, 2019 4:59pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Gosh I hope no one reports your abusive foul mouthed attack on women. How does your wife deal with you speaking like that to her after knocking back 10 Tui’s ?
  
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  February 24, 2019 4:34pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Ewww tui?
    
    Sucks to suck
    
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    February 24, 2019 5:04pm
- Swifty
  
  It’s as predictable as all hell.
  
  Kea/Universal Smith has a major personality defect.
  
  A sickness.
  
  All the jew haters do.
  
  It’s only a matter of time before the sickness rears its head. Again.
  
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  February 24, 2019 4:49pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    Jews? What the fuck is it with the Jew thing?
    
    Simon will lose.
    
    God is not real.
    
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    February 24, 2019 4:59pm
    - Swifty
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_6AQA4uzD0
      
      Here’s a lullaby to get you off to sleep. You’ve had a busy day.
      
      PoS.
      
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      February 24, 2019 5:08pm
Jack5

Universal ~~sh…~~ Smith as Kea?

No way. Nowhere the same brain.

Kea has some mad views, and is bigoted against Jews (denying this and trying to say it is just Zionists she targets), but Kea has a high IQ.
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February 24, 2019 4:57pm
- Universal Smith
  
  Almost all your posts have a racist component. You are, by a considerable margin, the biggest bigot on KB. Presumably Jews are excluded.
  
  Your lack of self awareness is the frightening thing.
  
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  February 24, 2019 5:03pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nah, he’s just a big pussy cat really, there are some real ding bats on here you being one of them.
    
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    February 24, 2019 5:50pm
The Heat

Would the socialists support CGT if it can be demonstrated it will make more people poorer that they would otherwise be if there were no CGT?

Or do they just support it for ideological reasons, whether it makes things better or worse?
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February 24, 2019 5:47pm
- Tall Man
  
  Yes, to the latter…
  
  They are interested in power and baubles for themselves…they have no interest in “doing” anything the doesn’t have their own best interests at heart.
  
  You only have to read the spite and venom that the regular lefty posters stick on here directed towards thse that they think are better off then they are.
  
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  February 24, 2019 5:54pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  Would the socialists support CGT if it can be demonstrated it will make more people poorer that they would otherwise be if there were no CGT?
  
  Given that they’d reject the premise of your question (that contributing to the upkeep of your society makes you poorer than you would be otherwise), there is no answer to it.
  
  However, even if we were to accept the false premise of the question for the sake of argument, it’s hardly conceivable that the proposal could make more people worse off than they were before. The majority of NZers don’t own investments they might have to pay CGT on, and the proposed accompanying income tax changes would benefit pretty much everyone with a taxable income.
  
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  February 24, 2019 6:25pm
  - Swifty
    
    ‘majority of NZers don’t own investments they might have to pay CGT on’
    
    Kiwisaver?
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:41pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Maybe – hard to picture that getting included, for the same reason as the family home was excluded.
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:56pm
      - Swifty
        
        I’m sorry, but I thought I’d seen that it definitely is included in Cullen’s recommendations.
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:02pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        All kinds of things are included are in the TWG recommendations. That says nothing about what the government will do.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:54pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      national super
      any inheritance
      NB if the kids have left home, it is NO LONGER their “family home” (they may actually own one of their own)
      Therefore the “parents home is rated at ZERO dollars before their death (to the recipients) and as a full value gain upon inheritance, so 1/3 of the value upon sale will be taken in TAX.
      
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      February 24, 2019 7:36pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        In your personal opinion, maybe.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And I thought I was the pisshead on here.
    
    I sincerely hope that bunch of twaddle was due to alcohol rather than just a narrow minded bigotted burble.
    
    I do not have the patience to explain to you why your statement is so fucking ignorant…watching Paddington 2 which is vastly more important that engaging with an idiot like yourself.
    
    No wonder John Cleese hated Palmerston North if you’re an example of it’s inhabitants.
    
    Cleese calls the city “the suicide capital of New Zealand” and says, “If you wish to kill yourself but lack the courage to, I think a visit to Palmerston North will do the trick.”
    
    Cleese did not stop there.
    
    “We stayed in a little motel. The weather was grotty, the theatre was a nasty shape and the audience was very strange to play to.”
    
    Cleese said the audience laughed in all the wrong places and he had a “thoroughly bloody miserable time” in the city.
    
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    February 24, 2019 7:28pm
    - Johnboy
      
      If you are on less than a forty a day old chap you are no where even near the pisshead I am old chap! 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2019 7:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I will apply myself diligently….
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:44pm
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND HOUSING …

New Zealand locks the doors from the inside … The New York Times
h/t DK

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/realestate/new-zealand-locks-the-doors-from-the-inside.html

After watching home prices rise by 60 percent in a decade, the country decided to ban foreigners from buying property. Will it work? … read more via hyperlink above …
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The KiwiBuild failure should galvanise urgent action on NZ’s housing disaster – The Listener

https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/kiwibuild-failure-galvanise-action-nz-housing-disaster/

When a nation’s flagship housing policy is such a spectacular failure that it makes the New York Times, the minister in charge cannot avoid the international embarrassment. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Access further information … recently updated …

Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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February 24, 2019 5:49pm
- Swifty
  
  Another defective turns up to show the world what a cock he is. Again.
  
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  February 24, 2019 5:56pm
Swifty

Well, there’ll be plenty of potential material for her living next to Hagley Park, I suppose – well, may appeal to some anyway:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/houses/110481776/at-home-with-aotearotica-editor-laura-borrowdale
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February 24, 2019 5:52pm
- stigie
  
  Well, if you like action, head down to the south west corner…..you will be accommodated !~
  
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  February 24, 2019 5:57pm
waikatogirl

Just seen a condescending ad on TV promoting getting a trade instead of going to university. A son telling his disappointed university educated father that he wants to do a trade. The kid explains to his father he will have a qualification but he won’t have the debt. His father says he wanted him to follow him into his profession, but what can you do?
The ad finishes with the line, don’t hold them back.
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February 24, 2019 5:54pm
- nasska
  
  Don’t hold them back is right. A qualified plumber would earn $40/hr or $80K/yr without overtime. No student debt & his skills are needed everywhere.
  
  When we retired & were looking around to find somewhere we’d both enjoy living Northland was first on the list. Stayed in a few camping grounds about the time the tuna were running.
  
  Guess which employment grouping were there with new utes & the flashest of high power boats, week in & week out. Hint: there wasn’t a degree amongst them.
  
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  February 24, 2019 6:17pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    Uh, duh-uh. Who buys utes and power boats? You might as well claim university-educated people earn more than tradespeople because you didn’t see any tradies at the opera, or buying artworks in fancy art galleries.
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:29pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Uh, duh-uh. You may as well claim that trendie, lefties never buy utes and powerboats cause they all go to the opera, buy apartments on Oriental Parade and get sinecures at the Welligton Regional Council! 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:35pm
    - Swifty
      
      Universities in NZ need a major cleanout.
      
      Let’s face it, large parts of them are purely taxpayer-funded make-work schemes for Labour supporters.
      
      🙂
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:37pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’d have said “are purely taxpayer-funded make-work schemes for Commo turds” myself Swifty but then again I’m not a polite chap like you old boy! 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:48pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Sure – when Swifty hears the word culture, he reaches for his revolver. There are multiple perspectives on what could usefully be “cleaned out” from a society.
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:53pm
      - Swifty
        
        Revolver?
        
        My firearms collection is more modern that that I’ll thank you Psycho.
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:04pm
      - Swifty
        
        And I didn’t say ‘cleaned out from society’ PM, please don’t put words in my mouth.
        
        Just getting tens of thousands of Labour supporters off the taxpayer’s burden would be a good start.
        
        Maybe they could go out and be plumbers. I hear the money’s good. It’d be good for them too, you know, doing something useful for once in their lives.
        
        🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:07pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I hope you realise that all the best executioners prefered a revolver swifty…far more reliable than an auto old chap. Psycho knows …..his ancestry is Boshevistic! 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:09pm
      - Swifty
        
        Culture?
        
        Hey Psycho, did I ever tell you I got Rudolf Nureyev stoned off his face one night in Wellington?
        
        Little prick could hardly walk, let alone leap about.
        
        Heh.
        
        True story.
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:15pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yeah, that’s what I hear Johnboy. The Bolshies do love their executions.
        
        The old revolvers are slow to reload though. Unless, like me ol’ mate Les, you go for speedloaders.
        
        https://www.noted.co.nz/archive/listener-nz-2009/the-old-man-of-crime/
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedloader#/media/File:Moonclips.jpg
        
        🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:31pm
      - Johnboy
        
        You don’t need to load fast Swifty when your target’s 3 feet away in the cellar, face to the wall and hands tied behind him. Ask any Bolshevik hero! 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:48pm
      - Swifty
        
        That’s true Johnboy, but when you’ve got 10,000 to get through in the next 24 hours – you do need to employ efficient methods.
        
        You know, time and motion and all that.
        
        You’d know it with shearing – every little time saving counts at the end of the day.
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:56pm
    - nasska
      
      A better instance of intellectual snobbery would be hard to find.
      
      Any tuna found outside of a can would present a physical challenge that few degreed wankers could handle.
      
      Stick to art. Light art that won’t put your back out. 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:39pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        The left are terrible snobs who regard the working classes with contempt. We are not served well by our major parties.
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:47pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Any tuna found outside of a can would present a physical challenge that few degreed wankers could handle.
        
        In which you just totally endorsed the claimed “intellectual snobbery.” Cultural differences exist within societies and you’re as well aware of it as I am, as demonstrated by the quote above.
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:51pm
      - nasska
        
        Rubbish! It’s just that I’m into physical snobbery.
        
        Wanna arm wrestle? 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 6:54pm
      - stigie
        
        Now he has his thinking cap on or is it a cheesecutter..?
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:09pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Milt there is no equivalence here. People like you provide no useful contribution to society. You exist on the labour and grace of your moral and intellectual superiors in the working classes. Those rednecks you hate so much.
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:28pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Rubbish! It’s just that I’m into physical snobbery.
        
        Wanna arm wrestle?
        
        Just so. I expect there are a few female commenters on Kiwiblog who could see me off in that contest.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:33pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        You exist on the labour and grace of your moral and intellectual superiors in the working classes.
        
        How comical that you should write that on this, of all blogs!
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:34pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Helen Clark has a lot to answer for her call years ago for a “knowledge wave”. She stated everyone needed to attend university for the country to grow. I saw for myself the number of unsuitable kids who heeded that call when they did not have the intelligence to succeed via the university route.
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:31pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Don’t be silly wg. Cinders is rapidly getting a “knowledge wave” from her mentor Winnie!!! 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:38pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        JB, Cindy a perfect example of unsuitable! She clearly has ended up ‘being successful’ as a useful idiot to the ideologues. ?
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:23pm
    - Swifty
      
      *or aptitude or inclination towards classroom learning.
      
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      February 24, 2019 6:39pm
- auckwood
  
  My parents encouraged all of us kids to do what ever we wanted to do in life. The only suggestion was to possibly look at getting a trade first so we’d always have something to fall back on in life if priorities changed….
  
  I stumbled upon my trade at 17, and 17yrs later I still love my job/trade and am self employed. No debt
  
  My sister, has failed to finish over half a dozen different courses, studies etc at various institutions, hat to think what her total student loan debt is currently…
  
  But I was always envious of the party atmosphere/enviroment of those at uni haha
  
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  February 24, 2019 7:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you/ or your kids are heading off to uni.. don’t forget to pick up some practical skills on the way.
    
    At least if my uni life had gone belly up.. I knew I could pick up work as a qualified gardener.
    The hubby is pretty useless on various practical outdoor skills… but I’ve never known him to be unable to fix anything mechanical or electrical.
    
    My girls are fairly handy with diy around the house and aren’t fazed with handling power tools (as I am).
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:29pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I think I’ve seen ladies like you doing stuff with Hitachi’s on the internet Mags. 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2019 8:35pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Now that was pure gold, but thank Christ Stephieboy didn’t write it…
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:37pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That ad seems to me to be all about BCITO trying to raise their profile in a vain attempt to avoid being sucked into Boy Wonder Hipkins’ wonderful plan to amalgamate all training into one Soviet-style central-command entity.
  A bit late I think.
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:02pm
Johnboy

Several people have been hospitalised after a gang fight at Ruapuna Speedway near Christchurch.

Detective Sergeant Brad Grainger said two gangs were involved in the fight at Ruapuna in Templeton, near Christchurch, just after midday on Sunday.

Some of the gang members were taken to hospital with injuries ranging from moderate to serious.

Grainger said police did not tolerate such behaviour at public events.

“The actions of these criminal gangs are concerning and have made it unsafe for the general public, we would like to find out what happened and obtain evidence in relation to this offending,” he said.

Police encouraged witnesses to come forward.

Grainger said anyone with video footage of the incident should contact Christchurch police by calling 03 363 7400 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
Wonderful! I wonder if our Police have ever considered that shooting the turds would save all of us poor old taxpayers a hell of a lot of cash. Then again it’s obvious that the same simple solution has never occured to our government! 🙂
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February 24, 2019 6:29pm
- Viking2
  
  We need to employ more South African police. They know how to pull a trigger.
  
  One less in the bay after last week. sooner the message gets through the safer NZ will be.
  
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  February 24, 2019 6:46pm
  - Johnboy
    
    How did that icon of the left the terrorist called Mandela slip through the net then V2?
    So amazing how a chap that wasn’t born 13 billion years ago can still reach God status.
    They must have run out of handy windows to push the useless old cunt out of! 🙂
    
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    February 24, 2019 6:57pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    We need to employ more South African police. They know how to pull a trigger.
    
    Bollocks. History demonstrates that Bolsheviks are world leaders in that field, closely followed by Nazi Einsatzgruppen with a crew of Ukrainian volunteers. I’m just surprised that you consider those examples to emulate.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:39pm
Viking2

Mr Twyford said the new requirements could cost landlords up to $7000 but he doesn’t expect them to push rental prices up.

Twit twiter of the day.

https://www.newsie.co.nz/news/142129-belowpar-rentals-cost-of-doing-nothing-is-too-greatrsquo.html?fbclid=IwAR3ExInRpEDU3DXWB2ZZsLWTKqNnmVvB-H0Ve8cDzR2G6mkCsIsMG7jv3WM
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February 24, 2019 6:47pm
- Swifty
  
  Like he’s got the nous to accurately predict market response.
  
  Christ, look at the fuck up he’s made so far with KiwiBuild.
  
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  February 24, 2019 6:53pm
  - Viking2
    
    What was that Kiwibuild you speak of.?
    Was that something the Maori did a couple of centuries ago before they got colonized?
    
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    February 24, 2019 7:56pm
- fluffykiwi
  
  Be interesting all those landlords selling up because they cannot be bothered with the hassle. House prices dropping below Twyford’s Kiwibuild that he has guaranteed to some private builders who cannot sell their developments. What a clusterf**k
  I wonder whether it will come in that for a property be sold they have to do those things as well.
  
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  February 24, 2019 7:17pm
  - Johnboy
    
    It must be so awful for the poor labour bastards. Everyone of them knows how successful MJ Savage’s use of a spade was out in the backblocks of Mirimar all those many years ago…..ah…the glory days! 🙂
    Perhaps Cinders should go dig a hole somewhere?
    Perhaps big enough for her and her whole useless bunch of tosser’s to fit into. 🙂
    ps Cinders….make sure it’s big enough for that Cullen turd! 🙂
    
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    February 24, 2019 7:26pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  and Mr Twitford
  When the landlords sell up and reduce the market size (supply) of rentals, How much will that push the price of rent up?
  
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  February 24, 2019 7:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Housing is a finite amount. We are short of stock but we also have demand from buyers and renters so I doubt many would want to give their rentals away.
    I can see the housing market still rising in many areas but rents will definitely rise until the market is saturated.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:43pm
Nostradamus

The national kapa haka festival is coming to Eden Park

Eden Park has seen many a stirring haka in its 119-year history. But it will soon experience a whole other level of tikanga Māori; as it is set to host the next Te Matatini national kapa haka festival in 2021.

Surely Helen (no music concerts at Eden Park) Clark would be concerned about bare-bottomed men shouting at the top of their lungs, while the girls wave poi-pois about to show their appreciation? 🙂

Here’s what she said:

“Eden Park is a sport venue and if they want something else then take it to a downtown site where you could have an entertainment venue at scale.”
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February 24, 2019 7:22pm
- nasska
  
  I’m not certain that the tane with their flabby, KFC inspired buttocks wobbling in the cool night air of Eden Park would do much for Helen.
  
  But the wahines bouncing their poi-pois could be a hit! 🙂
  
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  February 24, 2019 7:28pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Do any of you chaps know when the disgusting fat murri bastards stopped wearing little black underpants beneath their piupiu’s ?
    It’s become a fuckin national embarrassment watching the fatarse bastards welcoming overseas dignitaries. 🙂
    
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    February 24, 2019 7:33pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Helen could always swap out Heather for Peter (he’s surely overdue for a night out since his last excursion to the US a few years ago). That way the tane and the wahines would receive equal attention!
    
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    February 24, 2019 7:34pm
  - stigie
    
    “KFC inspired buttocks wobbling in the cool night air of Eden Park would do much for Helen.”
    
    It may not Nasska but it just might arouse the Professor !~
    
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    February 24, 2019 7:38pm
    - Johnboy
      
      No sweat stigie H2 would give him a good whack in the appropriate place and shove him out the bedroom door. 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2019 7:42pm
      - Swifty
        
        I hear a spoon is the preferred tool for that job.
        
        That’s what a nurse once told me once.
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:45pm
      - stigie
        
        Have you had the pleasure Swifty ole chap..?
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:49pm
      - Swifty
        
        There was no cutlery in sight when she told me stigie – thank goodness.
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:53pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I actually heard from my sister in law, the nurse, that a quick flick with a pen or pencil did it Swifty. She’s quite keen on enema’s so I never argued with her. Perhaps other nurse’s may come in here? 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 7:54pm
  - Viking2
    
    Nope, she to racist for that.
    
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    February 24, 2019 7:58pm
RW Capitalist

TV1 today, talking about significant numbers of small business owners being depressed….in the immortal words of Homer Simpson….D U H.
They also said stupid things like “They don’t claim the “wellness” benefits (counseling) etc
and they are bemused by this.
They don’t get the simple reason
we are too busy working
time taken off, is time NOT earning, somebody else does not pay our “sick pay”.
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February 24, 2019 7:45pm
Hugh Pavletich

China’s Entrepreneurs Are Wary of Its Future – The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/business/china-entrepreneurs-confidence.html

Behind the scenes, businesspeople worry that Beijing has become more interested in solidifying its control over people’s lives than promoting economic growth. … read more via hyperlink above …
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February 24, 2019 7:46pm
- Swifty
  
  See more via hyperlink below….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCSZfmbFJyQ
  
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  February 24, 2019 7:48pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Beijing has become more interested in solidifying its control over people’s lives than promoting economic growth”……
  
  So has Wellington!
  
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  February 24, 2019 7:49pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Any idea what “Māori farming” is?

Ahuwhenua Trophy finalists a celebration of Māori farming

Ministers Hon Damien O’Connor and Hon Nanaia Mahuta said today that it was an honour to be part of the celebrations around the prestigious Māori farming award, the Ahuwhenua Trophy. Minister of Agriculture Damien O’Connor said this was all about excellence in farming and celebrating Māori input into our economy. … “The Ahuwhenua Trophy shows the key role that beef and sheep farming has in the $50 billion that Māori enterprise brings to our economy. It also confirms the importance of Te Tairawhiti to Aotearoa with all three finalists coming from the coast,” said Nanaia Mahuta.

I’m all for people getting off their backside and doing something useful. But what’s the difference between Maori and non-Maori farming practices, if any; and do Maori farmers pay tax, or are they tax-exempt if they operate under an iwi/hapu framework?
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February 24, 2019 7:51pm
- Raniera
  
  You sarcastic, racist, prick.
  
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  February 24, 2019 7:57pm
  - Johnboy
    
    You pathetic, sad, apologist, idiot! 🙂
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:00pm
  - Viking2
    
    And why not?
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:00pm
  - Swifty
    
    Now, now.
    
    Legitimate question; should the NZ taxpayer fund awards available only to those of a certain race?
    
    http://www.ahuwhenuatrophy.maori.nz/sponsors.php
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:05pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I’m waiting for the first “Honky of the Year” awards….no jigaboo’s need apply! Now that would be the first show TV1’s had in years that folk would bother watching! 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2019 8:08pm
  - Universal Smith
    
    “Raniera
    You sarcastic, racist, prick.”
    
    Relax bro. Maori shooting a farmers sheep in a spotlight with a 22 and selling it at the pub, is not really farming.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:05pm
    - Jack5
      
      Universal ~~Sh…~~ Smith: and you accuse others of racism.
      
      What a jabbering fuckwit! ?
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:12pm
      - Universal Smith
        
        Another one.
        
        Dog tucker.
        
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        February 24, 2019 9:29pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Raniera:
    
    You sarcastic, racist, prick.
    
    You said this 1 month ago:
    
    Let me assure you, I am not a paragon of virtue. I am a very ordinary chap who has made his fair share of mistakes in life (I am older than you)
    
    Hopefully you’re none of these people!
    
    Raniera Tau has appeared in the Invercargill District Court this morning charged with unlawful possession of kererū and another charge of hunting kererū.
    
    Raniera Kiriwera, 27, from Auckland, appeared in the Rotorua District Court this morning and admitted one charge of breaking into [a home].
    
    Raniera Morehu, 55, a Corrections Department iwi liaison officer, pleaded guilty in Taupo District Court yesterday to three charges of taking seven trout using a net, fishing without a licence and exceeding the maximum daily allowable limit of three trout.
    
    A burglar has pleaded guilty to several charges after he was caught sleeping in a caravan on property in Rolleston, south of Christchurch. Raniera Smyth, 20, told police he had been sleeping in the caravan in a yard at Rolleston Drive for two or three nights when he was found.
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:15pm
    - Raniera
      
      “Hopefully you’re none of these people!”
      
      I was informing David Garrett that I’m older than him, so obviously not, you racist sack of shit.
      
      Rhetorical questions: Are you a paragon of virtue? Is anyone?
      (That means, don’t bother answering – I’m not interested.)
      
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      February 24, 2019 8:43pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Hopefully you’re none of these people!
      
      Rich, coming from someone named after one of the world’s best-known fantasists.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:42pm
- Johnboy
  
  I used to have a bit of respect for young Damien even though he was a bloody Fenian but not any more…..what a timeserver turd he’s become! Looking towards his retirement benefits I suspect.
  He ranks right up there with that Shadbolt dickhead! 🙂
  
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  February 24, 2019 7:59pm
- Universal Smith
  
  But I thought farming was evil. What about the climate emergency?
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:00pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Quite so U S. We should cease farming immediately and let 90% of the population starve to death to save the planet. It may be a less painful option than say nuclear war. 🙂
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:05pm
    - Universal Smith
      
      Jacinda said farming was not necessary and that farmers should be severely taxed as punishment. Apparently food is a social construct just like gender.
      
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      February 24, 2019 8:08pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Indeed it is U S. All the silly folk that voted Winston First to keep them all honest and have been eating shit ever since have realised that eating food is a luxury that will soon be taxed under the COL! 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 8:16pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Surely a clever chap like you could find out all about the Ahuwhenua Trophy without all that JAQing off.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:05pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Don’t be silly Milkey it take’s a REALLY clever chap like you to point that out to him! 🙂
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:10pm
  - Johnboy
    
    That’s why you got a lifetime job shuffling paperclips for the civil service….you should never hide your genius just because you were a public servant old chap! 🙂
    
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    February 24, 2019 8:13pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well, no one has to bother about you hiding your genius, Johnboy. And your racist babble usually comes with a smiley face, so that everyone knows you’re ‘just joking’.
      
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      February 24, 2019 8:22pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Dear dear Milkey old chap. All those many years as a “Civil” servant should have taught you to be far nicer to the populace than you seem to be here. Perhaps you feel bitter that you have lost the power to enforce your will on the peasants since you retired? 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2019 8:29pm
      - sooty
        
        They kept him out the back, as he was inclined to upset the public!
        
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        February 24, 2019 10:01pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Any idea what “Māori farming” is?”…..
  
  You’ve got me beat. Mind you I’ve known a few farmers who were Maori & they weren’t much better or worse than your average Pakeha.
  
  There are only two differences that I can think of. One was that 40-50yrs ago they got loans at preferential interest rates. Then again if they’re farming Maori land they’re answerable to people who know jackshit about the racket. Then as they’re seen as successful they’re a magnet to all their bludging rellies. But again a lot of NZ is privately owned by individual Maori & to the best of my knowledge they’re treated the same way as all of us
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:41pm
  - sooty
    
    Maori farming is growing gorse!
    Raglan golf course is a prime example!
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:59pm
    - fluffykiwi
      
      Check out the leaching into Lake Rotoiti from where the gorse grows
      http://www.rotorualakes.co.nz/vdb/document/110
      do we ever here about that.
      
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      February 24, 2019 10:17pm
Southern Raider

So Eden Park can’t host a charity concert for babies, but gets approval to host 2021 Kapa Haka contest

Surely the residents association will claim a $1M RMA process is needed?
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February 24, 2019 8:27pm
- Johnboy
  
  As long as the native’s wear underpants it would be difficult to have it banned. 🙂
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That reminds me. I wonder how Sir Ray is getting on with his wonderful incubator project. He seemed to have some very keen fans on Kiwiblog, who got quite upset when his ‘fundraising’ concert couldn’t get off the ground.
  
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  February 24, 2019 8:45pm
  - starboard
    
    MM..still being a cnut since..forever.
    
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    February 24, 2019 9:07pm
    - Tall Man
      
      He obviously has little in his life so feels the need to attempt to bring others down.
      
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      February 24, 2019 9:29pm
Jack5

This is an interesting development in scientific research in Antarctica.

To avoid making foaming Universal ~~Sh..~~ Smith shout “racism !” I leave the critique to others.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/110289696/mori-carvings-taken-to-antarcticas-scott-base-for-niwa-research-programme
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February 24, 2019 9:38pm
- Jack5
  
  C’mon Universal ~~Sh..~~ Smith – take the bait! Or has the power been turned off for the night in your cell block, whoops, sorry, secure ward? ?
  
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  February 24, 2019 9:47pm