General Debate 1 October 2019

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Tony Stuart

Crikey; it’s October already. Where on earth has this year disappeared to?
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October 1, 2019 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Year of Delivery Tony, time just races by when one is having fun!
  
  Where is Jones? I want to do pinch and a punch and all that with a mallet . . .
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:17am
Tony Stuart

Barry Soper is in good form this morning. The headline reads “Ardern impotent on NZ First’s bad behaviour”:

The Prince of the Provinces Shane Jones is taking a few days off to study the Cabinet Manual, the rule book that’s meant to apply to ministers’ behaviour.

Well that’s what hopeful Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s telling us. It’s presumably her way of delivering a rebuke to him for his outburst at a forestry conference last week where his message was: vote for him or run the risk of missing out on the billions he’s handing out from the Provincial Growth Fund.

But reading the manual is hardly likely to tame this self-professed “retail politician, a son of the north” who reckons you’re never going to take the politics out of the politician.

Over the weekend he doubled down on his message, hitting back at those who accused him of bribery, describing them as “lost and lonely, snake in the grass Kiwi executives, operating for foreign forestry companies”. He won’t tolerate it, he fumed, saying they’ve walked into a war zone and they’ll find he’s more than capable of responding with withering fire.

Indeed since the accusation was made he claims scores of people have read the news and know forestry “has a champion in Shane Jones” and they’re pledging their support for him.

Certainly doesn’t sound like a man who’s going to follow Jacinda Ardern’s direction and read the Cabinet rules and abide by them.

When it comes to New Zealand First, the Labour leadership appears to be impotent, as it most certainly is, when it tries to pull them into line over what is becoming a repetitive problem.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12272406

Soper is merely reporting on what most of us already know; Winston Peters holds all the coalition cards. That’s why Ardern just has to suck it up and give Shane Jones’ votes-for-cash scam the once-over-lightly.
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October 1, 2019 8:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And he’s doing nothing for race relations.
  Jones asserts that he has the names of all those who spoke against him.
  They thought they were brilliant – they thought they were political maestros leaking to the New Zealand Herald, but they didn’t realise that half of the audience there that night were Māori,” Jones said.
  
  “They contacted me and willingly told me of the identity of the National Party characters,” he said.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116215895/shane-jones-issues-warning-to-forestry-companies–political-utu-is-a-dish-best-served-cold
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:13am
  - Swifty
    
    I didn’t know that all Maori thought the same.
    
    If true, then they must be unique in the world as everyone else holds a variety of opinions, on everything.
    
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    October 1, 2019 8:22am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      You have just pointed out why the ‘progressive’ Identity Group politics are the most sexist, racist, anti-gay and authoritarian way of seeing the world: everyone fits into those idiotic categories instead of being individuals.
      
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      October 1, 2019 9:47am
  - alex Masterley
    
    The man is a fat blowhard.
    Why does anyone take what he says seriously.
    
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    October 1, 2019 8:26am
    - Tall Man
      
      Because he and his despotic mate are holding the whole of New Zealand to ransom while they build their own fortunes.
      
      How many of these “investments” in the provinces will result in a “directorship” for jones or “what’s in it for wynston” after we throw them out with the trash we call “coalition”…….
      
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      October 1, 2019 8:37am
      - IC5000
        
        Better a coalition of self-interested politicians from the coalition than a bunch who would sell out their country for CCP money.
        
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        October 1, 2019 6:29pm
    - kowtow
      
      He’s being positioned as Peter’s successor.
      Labour know they need coalition partners so have given NZF everything they want, using our money. NZF knows they have the power .
      BTW , NZF were once very strong advocates for the licensed firearm owner but have capitulated for one of Cindy’s priorities.
      
      Our democracy is wafer thin.
      
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      October 1, 2019 8:53am
      - MCos
        
        I would suggest Labour and probably more than 95% of voters won’t lose much sleep at all if NZF is no longer around after the next election.
        
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        October 1, 2019 9:18am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        A rare moment of unity of thought MCos. If Peters and NZF do indeed receive electoral oblivion next year, the lid of the casket must be secured with the strongest locks known to mankind to ensure that Winston Houdini doesn’t escape.
        
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        October 1, 2019 9:41am
      - Paulus
        
        But Cindy has got to cede a Labour seat to Jones to get into coalition, as they may well not get over the MMP 5%.
        
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        October 1, 2019 1:32pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Jones has two targets, NZF and his standing in Nga Puhi. The latter tribe is fractured by competing leadership.
      His clowning is deceptive but Jones is a cultural Polynesian. His remarks are addressed likewise. He’s an orator who uses humour on occasion.
      Jones has a prodigous command of facts and when he speaks seriously he will take your attention. He is not as far left as might be thought.
      
      Enjoy having an MP who is different and not a green harpie.
      
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      October 1, 2019 9:40am
      - DigNap15
        
        I kind of like him
        He has a good command of the English language and can crack a really good joke
        Its good to help the regions, as long as it is done properly
        
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        October 1, 2019 10:14am
      - tf78
        
        Kev – you almost described David Lange – especially the Polynesian part.
        
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        October 1, 2019 11:05am
      - MrLovebucket
        
        He’s definitely something, but he ain’t no orator. He has a very clumsy way of speaking that highlights over and over the fact he just isn’t very bright.
        
        I would rate him below Willie Jackson in terms of his ability to speak.
        
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        October 1, 2019 11:28am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      cause he’s got $3billion of our money to piss away as quid quo pro for giving labour and greens access to ministerial limo services
      
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      October 1, 2019 1:25pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Threats and intimidation. – sounds like the mafia bosses have infiltrated NZ1st.
    Better watch out as I guess Godfather Shane will now know my name.
    Will look out for the horse’s head on my pillow when I wake up tomorrow- that’s if I do wake up……….
    
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    October 1, 2019 8:38am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Don Shane Corleone-Jones…
      
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      October 1, 2019 9:42am
  - Liberty
    
    “Jones asserts that he has the names of all those who spoke against him.”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YMVPXmaKds
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:20am
- G152
  
  So where are the billion trees that this dork from the north promised?
  And Cindy has him ‘read’ the politicians manual ???
  Obviously something new to peruse between drinks..
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The lack of trees go with the rest of the COL–the PTPM has a PT brain to match.
    Jones has a notional kitty but no money.
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:43am
- artemisia
  
  Mr Jones is fairly experienced and must have decided that his comments, demeanour and billions will get him more publicity and votes than hiding his light under the proverbial.
  
  Certainly getting plenty of publicity, and as they say more is better than less.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:21am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Yes but will his publicity result in a seat for him? Based on history the answer is no.
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:16am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      His real territory is Nga Puhi, the far North Tribe. I suspect Jones wants standing there. If they are well treated so will Jones be–culturally correct for Maori.
      
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      October 1, 2019 11:50am
- Simon
  
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  Naw Jones can see all the CCP money buying National and Labour. The corruption that someone like Yang is still in parliament instead of being deported.
  
  Jones can even see CCP operatives getting honours for paying off Labour and National
  
  Jones sees all the dirt and nothing being done and goes I’m gonna have some that.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    Still looking in the mirror eh simon.
    
    I imagine you did this on a Chinese made computer wearing Chinese made clothes living in a house with a mortgage propped up by a Chinese bank or possibly muslim money from Saudi and that ignore all the Chinese made or supplied items in your house.
    
    Grow up sonny and join the big world.
    
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    October 1, 2019 8:40am
    - Jack5
      
      You can have international trade without foreign corruption of your political system, Tall Man. NZ at present doesn’t.
      
      An example: the big donation to National from the Manchu gentleman who is a huge buyer of NZ race horses in anticipation of race betting being legalised in China.
      
      In clothes, the manufacturing trend has been for some time towards cheaper labour sources in other parts of Asia.
      
      Many computer parts are made in China, and Apple uses a big contractor there, but the big brands remain American.
      
      In computer innovation, some good stuff and firms are emerging in China, but even Britain, with ARM and surprisingly small operations like Raspberry Pi, is re-emerging as an industry pioneer. Israel, which a decade or go was as tiny in technology as NZ was, is another emerging leader in the computer industry.
      
      At the Kiwiblog poster level, if you’re a home computer buff, when you are you go to import, say, a hot new graphics card, Amazon or Newegg trump Aliexpress.
      
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      October 1, 2019 11:38am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “Jones sees all the dirt and nothing being done and goes I’m gonna have some that.”
    Couple of things,
    Jones is flinging the dirt at others, the dirt he is standing in…..this is just financial gerrymandering, in an attempt to keep himself in his comfortable job.
    The main one achieving nothing…is JONES
    3 words come to mind…POT…KETTLE….BLACK
    put them in any order,
    National/ACT A C H I E V E D a “Rock star economy” in the face of REAL head winds.
    These idiots took over a growing economy with almost ALL the metrics heading in the right direction and are destroying it.
    
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    October 1, 2019 8:56am
  - alloytoo
    
    Jones is more simply bought with taxpayers money.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:19am
- Ruahine
  
  Eh!!. What are these Cabinet rules of which you speak Mr Soper? When it comes to politicians in this country, Leftists make up their own rules to suit themselves.
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:38am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Apparently the cabinet manual isn’t available on the porn channel…
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:44am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  The COL untouchables have the greatest agreement ever signed just to make them just that.
  Jacinda is a puppet not a leader, has been from the day she signed up to this one sided arrangement.
  She is a true equalivlent of the Emperor with no clothes, maybe a fairytale but just fits her persona.
  Even the speaker cannot bring them to heel.
  
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  October 1, 2019 2:16pm
- John Warren
  
  What a fucking arse.
  
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  October 1, 2019 5:07pm
Justitia

CO2 does not cause climate change, fluctuations in Solar activity do. While there is a correlation between warmer temperatures and increased levels of CO2, the cause and effect relationship is the opposite of that portrayed by alarmists. Increased Solar activity causes the Sea to release greater amounts of CO2 of which the Sea is a major storehouse.

Water vapour is the most important greenhouse gas. Without water vapour trapping the Sun’s warming rays the Earth would be a cold and lifeless place like the Moon.

Current temperatures are a fraction of the peaks they have reached in the Earth’s history when life continued to thrive and develop. CO2 is not a pollutant, it is a key building block of life itself.

It’s all eloquently set out in this brilliant film which screened on BBC4 some years back, which also exposes the corrupt nature of the UN IPCC process. The speakers are reputable scientists with considerable responsibilities.

In view of the hysteria that is now being whipped up primarily by the Far Left on this topic you owe it to yourself to watch the film and share it widely with friends and family. Enjoy “The Great Climate Change Swindle” :
https://youtu.be/oYhCQv5tNsQ
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October 1, 2019 8:12am
- Simon
  
  The tidal guages show the same rate of sea level rise today as 100 years ago.
  
  If the man made climate change theory was correct then the rate of sea level increase would be much higher now than 100 years ago. There has been no acceleration of sea level rise over the last 20 years. It’s the same.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:32am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Paper, basis of recent sea alarmism, withdrawn. (UN conference over.)
    https://www.wnd.com/2019/09/oops-nature-magazine-yanks-global-warming-study-systematic-errors/
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:26am
  - DigNap15
    
    Well said Simon, and we have had 200 years a great industrialization with hardly any rise in sea levels at all.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:16am
  - bill ramsay
    
    that’s patently untrue.
    
    https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level//
    
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    October 1, 2019 1:04pm
  - Bullion
    
    That’s not true. The 20th century saw on average 1.5mm a year rise in sea levels, this is has more than doubled and currently at over 3mm a year rise in sea levels.
    
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    October 1, 2019 1:28pm
    - CJames
      
      Bullion – you are only telling a half truth. Here is what the IPCC wrote in AR5 “Global mean sea level has risen by 0.19 [0.17 to 0.21] m, estimated from a linear trend over the period 1901–2010, based on tide gauge records and additionally on satellite data since 1993. It is very likely that the mean rate of sea level rise was 1.7 [1.5 to 1.9] mm yr–1 between 1901 and 2010. Between 1993 and 2010, the rate was very likely higher at 3.2 [2.8 to 3.6] mm yr–1; similarly high rates likely occurred between 1930 and 1950.”
      Note the last nine words. It has happened before. The rate of sea level rise is cyclical and needs to be averaged over at least one cycle to be meaningful.
      
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      October 1, 2019 5:48pm
      - Bullion
        
        While sea level has risen globally by around 15cm during the 20th century, it is currently rising more than twice as fast–3.6mm per year–and accelerating.
        
        https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/3/2019/09/SROCC_PressRelease_EN.pdf
        
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        October 3, 2019 2:45pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  If I owe it to myself to watch this film, do you owe it to yourself to read any of the numerous rebuttals? Several are listed under the wikipedia article.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:13am
  - Justitia
    
    Yes Albert Ross. I have read the criticisms including the Ofcom decision. The film will always be controversial because the whole subject-matter has been ruthlessly politicized. But in my judgement the criticisms do not detract from the main argument that fluctuations in solar activity, not CO2, are the main driver of climate change which has and always will be occurring. The evidence for this, particularly from the Earth’s long history, is overwhelming.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:31am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Here we go: if anyone tells you that humans have caused an environmental crisis and that we can can halt or reverse it, tell them to subscribe to:
  
  https://twitter.com/birthstrike
  
  http://dontfly.org/
  
  Sorry about the capitals, but Greenies and Leftards don’t seem to get this:
  
  NO MORE CHILDREN if you really believe the human population is far too high. That’s the only logical conclusion.
  
  And NO MORE FLYING if you really believe jet fuel is a big environmental problem.
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Or pets.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:34am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Has anyone seriously asked the striking children whether they’d really like to forego the excitement of their planned OE?
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:32pm
- Bullion
  
  Solar activity is low at the moment with solar cycles showing a weakening trend over the last 40 years and yet temperatures are going up.
  
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  October 1, 2019 1:26pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Do you know even what a solar cycle is? I suspect not. Just for your reference these cycles have a frequency of just over 11 years, while the Gleissberg solar cycle has a frequency of approximately 88 years. Over a slightly longer period of the last 11,700 years, our earth has generally been warming as we’ve moved through the Holocene interglacial. Quite a few solar cycles over that period -yes? And a few little ice ages, and warm periods. Oh, aside from the spikes caused by the 97-98 and 14-16 el nino years the earth’s averaged global temperatures have been almost flat for 20 years.
    
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    October 1, 2019 7:02pm
    - Bullion
      
      Yeah, we are coming to the end of solar cycle 24 hence why I said solar activity is low at the moment. Solar cycle 24 was weaker than 23 and 23 weaker than 22 and 22 weaker than 21,yet over that time temperatures have been going up.
      
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      October 2, 2019 8:32am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  You are so right, many many rebuttals out there.
  Another excellent video is Dr Willie Soon demolishing the climate hysteria.
  Is 28 minutes, but leaves no stone unturned
  There is a much longer utube but this is very good.
  What a refreshing science based rebuttal.
  Makes the pollies drinking the cool aid look like they have an IQ of a Cumquat.
  Are they going to control the Sun as well?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JJ3yeiNjf4
  Debunks the socialist bullshit being over egged.
  
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  October 1, 2019 2:27pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Willie Soon is brilliant. And a real thorn in the side of the alarmists as he always releases all his data, unlike that pathetic excuse Michael Mann who just sues people who challenge him. (and admits to crying in lectures) FFS.
    
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    October 1, 2019 4:00pm
- Nermal
  
  Good post, but do you really think facts are going to change the mind of the snowflakes, who need something to fret about?
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:00pm
Right of way is Way of Right

So, the Princess of Posidividy is coy when asked if she has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

Well, so she bloody well should be, because she’s done nothing at all to earn one!

All she did was rise to the crest of a national outpouring of grief as the concerned face of the nation after the tragic events of March 15. Her ‘actions’ were nothing but reactions. She then used the still warm bodies of 51 men, women and children to advance her own agenda of gun control (with knee jerk legislation based on nothing but supposition) and to then attempt to hold back social media in a King Canute like moment of futility. To do this while failing to acknowledge her own impotence in the matter take a special level of cognitive dissonance, which she seems to have in spades.

What has she done to deserve a Nobel prize, and what have WE done to deserve her? We didn’t vote her in! We didn’t ask for her!

The accidental Prime Minister!
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October 1, 2019 8:24am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Aren’t Nobel Peace prizes give to those who actually achieved something in the area of…P E A C E?
  OOOHHH silly me….Obama got one for simply being elected and being black, in his case …surely the American voter should have got it?
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:38am
- Gravelroad
  
  Assuming that the criteria for the awarding of a Nobel peace prize still stand (which looks unlikely),
  Would the Princess qualify?
  Or Greta?
  Won’t matter much as I am sure the criteria can be spun to achieve the desired result.
  
  According to Nobel’s will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year “shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses”.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:46am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    In that case, neither of them would qualify.
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:23am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Surprised Helen Clark didn’t get one for destroying the RNZAF then….
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:37am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The Nobel committee met 11 days after Obama was inaugurated and selected him. Days after it was announced, Obama used a speech explaining why he wasn’t withdrawing troops from Afghanistan to acknowledge his gratitude for the award. “abolition or reduction of standing armies…” indeed!
    
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    October 1, 2019 7:13pm
- tf78
  
  Where would she be now had the 15 March not happened. She would be just another nodding nobody – makes you wonder really.
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:16am
Maggy Wassilieff

70 Years of the People’s Republic of China
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49835561
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October 1, 2019 8:25am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Back to “Leader for Life” again? Didn’t the Chinese learn anything from their history?
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:29am
  - youcanthandlethetruth
    
    The Zhou dynasty lasted from 1046–256 BC. We might see the CCP for a wee while yet.
    
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    October 1, 2019 8:55am
- Wangas Feral
  
  70 years and probably 70 million dead people. Another socialist triumph.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  Could be a very bad day in HK.
  
  “We have got intelligence suggesting that some hardcore, violent protesters are inciting others, including those with suicidal tendencies, to commit extreme acts such as murdering the police, disguising themselves as police officers to kill others, and setting fire to petrol stations,”
  
  https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1483405-20190930.htm
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:46am
  - Batman
    
    Looks a lot like some pro-china propaganda than anything else
    
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    October 1, 2019 8:55am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    I believe that the overt violence is probably being done by the commies themselves.
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:18am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I suspect another USA colour revolution.
      
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      October 1, 2019 11:53am
  - Oskar
    
    Meanwhile the people of Hong Kong have now composed their own NationalAnthem – Glory to Hong Kong – and I believe designed their own flag
    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-09-13/glory-to-hong-kong-a-new-protest-anthem-moves-singers-to-tears
    Shades on Tianamen Square where the protesters had their own statue – Statue of Democracy.
    
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    October 1, 2019 1:09pm
- kowtow
  
  Nixon brought them into the fold as an anti Soviet strategy . But helped create an even bigger threat. Deng’s reforms supercharged it.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:02am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  PRC is an appalling experiment in evil totalitarianism that has killed 50-100million and imisserated more than a billion so far.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:26am
  - MCos
    
    There’s another side to the coin that shouldn’t be forgotten.
    (Simon Bridges) praised the Communist Party of China (CPC) for taking the country from mass poverty to economic prosperity, calling it an “amazing story”.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/simon-bridges-sings-communist-party-s-praises-in-interview-in-china.html
    
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    October 1, 2019 11:22am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      We can tut tut about China’s political system but they have taken the country from a nation of mainly peasants into an economic powerhouse.
      
      China’s history extends over thousands of years. We have 16 year autistic girls trying to dictate our future and an epic global warming scam deigned to give the elites control over us. China can stand up to that better than we can. The elites now have too much control over global resources, are reluctant to pay any taxes and are becoming a new class of Baron.
      Who’s going to benefit from automation? Employment now is being reduced to zero hour contracts with modest pay rates–no allowance for the part time work or the benefit to the employer.
      All systems cannot be the same but the Chinese will not be overtaken by rampant Western world greed.
      
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      October 1, 2019 12:03pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It is an amazing story:
      Starvation, Poverty, illiteracy were at staggeringly high levels in China before 1949.
      
      The standard of living for Chinese people has also improved dramatically, especially in health care, education and housing. The average life expectancy, which was only 35 when the People’s Republic was established, has improved to 77.
      
      The infant mortality rate has dropped from 200 per thousand to 6.1 per thousand in the same period. And the illiteracy rate has also dramatically improved – from 80 per cent to 5 per cent.
      
      https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3024786/chinas-economic-achievements-over-past-70-years-point-strong-future
      
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      October 1, 2019 3:13pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Compared to Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Korea, Macau, Hong Kong that all were dirt poor post WWII but transitioned to democratic economies and governance (and wealth) China’s performance has been woefully slow, and has only been made possible due to rapidly rising wages of more prosperous neighboring economies. Communism/Totalitarianism is hugely negative and destructive of human happiness as a system of government.
        
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        October 1, 2019 3:35pm
- DigNap15
  
  It was much worse than that “doco” says.
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:17am
- pb
  
  What about the Chinese Organ harvesting! That this is even in mainstream news must be alarming. It gives a glimpse into the future the hardcore mainstream news junkie is pushing. Advanced socialism.
  
  Hong Kongers wondering if they are next for the knives.
  
  https://news.yahoo.com/china-harvesting-thousands-human-organs-113335943.html
  
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  October 1, 2019 2:42pm
rightoverlabour

The problem is further compounded when physicists can’t agree on the basics around how the atmosphere warms. Feynman is no fool.

“The great physicist Richard Feynman adds to three other giants of physics, Maxwell, Clausius, and Carnot, who have explained the “greenhouse effect” is solely a consequence of gravity, atmospheric mass, pressure, density, and heat capacities, and is not due to “trapped radiation” from IR-active or ‘greenhouse’ gas concentrations.”

from https://principia-scientific.org/physicist-richard-feynman-discredits-greenhouse-gas-theory/
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October 1, 2019 8:26am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  both are true. The temperature gradient through the atmosphere (lapse rate) is a combination of the effects of radiation and convective thermodynamics. If there were no radiation it would be 1°C change per 100m altitude, but it is in fact measured at 0.6°C per 100m altitude because of the radiative heat flow from warmer lower to cooler higher. Altering the atmospheric composition has some impact upon the radiative heat flow and lapse rate.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:32am
- tf78
  
  ROL – Google Rupert Darwall, he wrote Green Tyranny which really puts all this climate change bs into perspective as to why it’s so important towards the ‘ONE WORLD’ end game.
  
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  October 1, 2019 12:00pm
Odakyu-sen

I accept that scientists can have theories that climate change is due to CO2 from human activities. I accept that they can produce models to predict future conditions.
But my suspicions about their motives are raised when they refuse to share their raw data, and when emails detailing their conspiratorial endeavours and the pride they take in them are revealed. Something is rotten.
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October 1, 2019 8:27am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Dyson Freeman argues the models are good for doing research, but are no good for prediction. He worked with the first guys to build climate models, (Syukuro Manabe) and he knows what the limitations are. As for “something is rotten” it’s called fraud in most other languages.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:31am
  - Bullion
    
    Some older models, from decades ago, have been fairly accurate – estimated how much CO2 would be in the atmosphere and the temperatures associated.
    
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    October 1, 2019 1:35pm
- Ian Boag
  
  O-S
  
  Presumably by “raw data” you are referring to whatever got fed into their models. Given that you aren’t in a position to run their models with different data anyway …. ?
  
  What would you do with the “raw data” if you had it?
  
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  October 1, 2019 5:55pm
Nickc2

Why is the NZ Electoral Commission and/or the Police not being pursued by the MSM to take action against Shane Jones? Both agencies are supposed to be independent of Cindy’s and Labour Party influence.
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October 1, 2019 8:28am
- chaos
  
  the Police cannot do anything unless a complaint is given to them by the electoral commission.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:14am
  - calendar girl
    
    Then the Electoral Commission needs to get itself into immediate action, and conduct a full public inquiry.
    
    Shane Jones’s shameful comments seeking NZF votes (in return for NZF’s role in the distribution of certain Government funding) are not the basis on which any honest Government can operate.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:49am
    - herb1
      
      But this isn’t an honest Government so norms don’t apply.
      We have a PM who rails against supposed corruption by certain foreign leaders , yet stays silent when its found in her Government , under her leadership.
      A PM who talks about METOO and WETOO , champions the rights of woman , yet is implicit in the cover up and alienation of the young Woman sexually abused by her own staff and party members
      
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      October 1, 2019 11:45am
      - calendar girl
        
        “But this isn’t an honest Government so norms don’t apply.”
        
        That’s obviously my view as well, as expressed in what I had said above, i.e. “… not the basis on which any honest Government can operate.”
        
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        October 1, 2019 4:00pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Agree Chaos. The MSM should be raising hell about this to the point where a politician takes a complaint to the Police.
    Come on Simon Bridges, get your arse into gear and get the ball rolling.
    Remember, Winston still has a case pending against Paula Bennett.
    
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    October 1, 2019 2:00pm
Happychappy

Surely there has been a sentence handed down to the sex predator in the Young Labour Summer camp saga by now or is and has this Government silenced the result to the public.
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October 1, 2019 8:32am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I believe he due to be sentenced in November. I think it is on 2 November.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:59am
  - calendar girl
    
    What’s the betting that – miraculously – he will somehow be granted permanent and continuing name suppression.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:51am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Yes of course he will. Which is so wrong.
      
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      October 1, 2019 1:30pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Maybe not 2 November, that’s a Saturday.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:59am
- chaos
  
  He’s been asked too write lines
  
  1000 times
  
  *i must not put my hands down the pants of younger camp mates and ask my parent to get me off the charges*
  
  *i will make sure I am not caught next time*
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:16am
  - freethinker
    
    A bit of a harsh sentence as no allowance for – it might hinder my career opportunities, it will impact my parent negatively, it was a long time ago now and I promise not to get caught next time. So sentence is reduced to an abject apology to victims – I think I am sorry for what I did especially getting caught.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:40am
- Nermal
  
  They are soaking the bus ticket and ensuring the name suppression will continue, to protect the Labour Party
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:05pm
Maggie Pie

Attention Marmalade lovers…
I don’t know why i havent shared this with the group before. People i tell it to really love it.
Its my grans recipe for the best tasting Marmalade in the world – and sooo simple to make!
All you have to do is buy a jar (or two) of ‘Anatoth Breakfast Marmalade’ from the supermarket, empty contents into a med size pot, add 2tbs lemon juice, 3 tbs Treacle, and 2 tbs Whiskey. Bring to a simmer for about 5mins while stirring to combine. Allow to cool and poor back into jar(s). It absolutely transforms it. Tastes just like the marmalade they serve at the Ritz in Paris. You can thank me later 🙂
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October 1, 2019 8:34am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Seems a terrible waste of Whiskey!
  
  I have a recipe book, in my head, that I use at home every night. Each recipe starts with ‘Step One, pour half a glass of red wine in to the chef, set the rest aside for later.”
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:18am
  - tf78
    
    Sounds like you got that from Julia Child’s recipe book ROW.
    
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    October 1, 2019 12:05pm
- Wangas Feral
  
  I just make it out of grapefruit, or oranges and limes. I am not sure why I would want to start with a commercial product.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You miss the entitre point Wangy!
    Therein llies the secret 🙂
    
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    October 1, 2019 1:19pm
    - sooty
      
      And most of the hard work!
      
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      October 1, 2019 3:15pm
- mark15
  
  Love it,wife hates it (marmalade).
  What to do…
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Change your wife.
    
    My trouble is hubby plows through a jar a week.
    (Though my latest batch is very runny…and that seems to have slowed him down).
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:56am
    - sooty
      
      Having trouble getting him out of the loo are we!
      
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      October 1, 2019 10:13am
    - chaos
      
      Set up a special jar with a laxative in it, he won’t touch it again for a while, more for you
      
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      October 1, 2019 12:39pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Honestly Maggs – just follow my recipe. Save all that shagging about making it yourself. It’s A.mazing what it turns a 4 buck pottle of store-bought marmy into.
      [i no sfa about spirits so just pinch my partnwers Glenfiddich when he not looking – but you could use any brand]
      
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      October 1, 2019 1:30pm
      - sooty
        
        Bit in the mix, bigger bit in the cook!
        
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        October 1, 2019 3:18pm
RW Capitalist

Labour/media, playing the relevance of these “banking hub” trials in 4 towns
Couple of points
1. It’s ONLY a trial and a very small one at that.
2. If it was viable, the banks would have stayed, or at least the last one left would have. You can’t run a high street business, if NOBODY comes in.
3. It sounds like the govt. is bullying the banks, “If you don’t agree to this, we will attack you in other ways”.
3a. Like them or not, we NEED the banks to be VERY profitable
3b. Who’s business is next?
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October 1, 2019 8:34am
- artemisia
  
  The four temporary banking hubs are cheap PR for the banks, and spike government criticism of them. Any badmouthing from Mr Jones and they wheel out hubs, hubs, hubs …
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  Interesting. Under this gubmint NZ Post closed all its branches in Dunedin , leaving just one kiwibank branch open .
  
  This latest move is just a populist sleight of hand.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:44am
  - Jules99
    
    Post offices are perfect for providing Kiwibank services along with all the other things they do. Ideal for small towns.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:02am
    - DigNap15
      
      Where are these post offices you speak of?
      I thought they had all closed down.
      
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      October 1, 2019 10:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, just a 12 month trial….ready to be pulled around Election time.. (unless you vote for the CoL).
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:44am
  - artemisia
    
    Middle of 2020, the hubs will signal their intention to withdraw support / decline to open more hubs due to an uneconomic number of users. Cue Mr Jones to shut them up with money. Clever banks.
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:12am
    - artemisia
      
      Maybe the banks will set up a lot more hubs, then close the branches. Because hubs.
      
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      October 1, 2019 12:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        A bigger pressure on banks will come from the Reserve Bank forcing higher capital ratios.
        The banks will close less profitable sites.
        
        On security: perhaps the answer would be to revert to what I understand was the position in the past – pistols on hand for tellers. Then a bit of marksmanship training, which would be fun for many workers.
        
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        October 1, 2019 2:45pm
    - kevn
      
      @art… Don’t hold your breath. I gather the ‘hubs’ are just flash (bound to be unmanned) ATM machines. Ones that accept cash and coins? WoW. Not
      
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      October 1, 2019 4:16pm
- marcw
  
  Since the Ashburton WINZ was prosecuted for “letting” a crazy retard into their public space, no small banking branch in any NZ town will ever be economic. Management cannot sidestep from H&S regulations, and full time security is economically prohibitive.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:21am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Once again the deleterious consequences of excessive regulation.
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:34am
  - MCos
    
    That guy in Ashburton was able to walk into the WINZ office with a shot gun, as I was recall.
    I’ve been to a few of those places over the years and some of the clientele can be distinctly unsavory looking. Once in awhile one of these people causes trouble. About ten years ago I struck up a conversation with a security guard inside the office. He was a retiree. Outside there was no one checking people who wandered inside.
    No wonder WINZ were hauled over the coals.
    Now there’s a guard outside and you have to leave your guns behind.
    
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    October 1, 2019 12:27pm
- Akarak
  
  By the time this transparent government have finished decimating the rural sector and rural communities have all but disappeared there won’t
  even be a need for a banking hub.
  Local’s will just need to pop into their local WINZ.
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:10am
  - kowtow
    
    Under this regime the IRD are now refusing to accept cheques.
    
    So how does that help ?
    
    Once again a reduction in “services” to the remote and unwoke .
    
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    October 1, 2019 11:57am
- peterwn
  
  I thought that Kiwibank was supposed to have solved this problem.
  
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  October 1, 2019 2:16pm
JibberJabber

If Greta was Maori,
https://www.facebook.com/100002194038266/posts/2428513617231749/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=e
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October 1, 2019 8:40am
- Wangas Feral
  
  I understand that frustration. Not having any doughboys left when you get to the pot is one of life’s great tragedies.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:26am
- godruelf
  
  The speech has the potential to become the new “Hitler Parody” stock footage
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:43am
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2019/10/trepidation-as-new-tourism-levy-and-electronic-travel-authority-becomes-mandatory.html

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/influx-of-criminal-deportees-from-australia-a-major-irritant-to-relationship-jacinda-ardern.html

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/10/female-mongrel-mob-chapter-members-won-t-wear-patches.html

And in 3 articles we start to see the problems within New Zealand society and it’s government.

Gangs are evil and there is a link to the deportees. ardern is impotent due to NZ First holding her “virtual balls” yet they are hellbent on destroying tourism and don’t try to tell me that a $35 levy will make no difference or make up for the “loss” of a few tourists.
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October 1, 2019 8:46am
- chaos
  
  So is this on top of the tax they already pay to enter and leave NZ?
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:24am
  - chaos
    
    Whoops just saw nationals tax is still there and added to it
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:32am
KevO'Brien

UN climate change activism–the real reason:
“to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years since the Industrial Revolution.”
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/climate-change-that-ignores-history/
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October 1, 2019 8:46am
- Justitia
  
  Thanks for this reference Kev, very useful.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:21am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The High Court has rejected a judicial review of Regional Facilities Auckland’s decision to block two controversial Canadian speakers from using a council-owned venue.

“RFA, Auckland Council and Auckland Mayor Phil Goff were sued over the decision to bar Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux.

Free Speech Coalition member David Cumin and Dunedin bookseller Malcolm Moncrief-Spittle, who purchased a premium ticket to the event, sought a number of declarations, including that the decision was unlawful.

A summary of Justice Pheroze Jagose’s judgment said RFA did not exercise “any public power” in cancelling the event, which was to be held last August.
“Its decision was unaffected by any mayoral view, being founded on legitimate security concerns,” it read.

“Its decision is not subject to judicial review.”

Goff on Monday welcomed the ruling, saying he was pleased but not surprised.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116214122/high-court-rejects-judicial-review-of-decision-to-block-controversial-canadian-pair-from-auckland-venue?cid=app-iPhone

I suppose his Honour had in mind the US Supreme Court decision that free speech has its limits using the analogy of shouting” fire, f” in a packed Theatre”r creating panic and stampede!

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/
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October 1, 2019 8:50am
- Swifty
  
  Stephieboy is happy for the world to know that he favours limiting speech that he doesn’t like to hear.
  
  Almost gloating.
  
  Good to know.
  
  I hope he doesn’t intend coming running to us when he next finds that it is his speech which is out of favour and banned.
  
  ‘Why won’t you guys stick up for my right to speak?’
  
  ‘Well, Stiffy, you never stuck up for ours….’
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:03am
  - igm
    
    Let’s face it, he is a Islamic sympathiser . . . no decency or class.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:54am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Stuffy and the rest of today’s Leftards that falsely call themselves ‘liberals’ are *authoritarians who oppose free speech*.
  
  Ardern this morning on the radio: the US doesn’t yet agree to her concept of controlling the internet because ‘the Americans have an issue about free speech’.
  
  Just think of how she put it: they have ‘an issue’ about free speech. She won’t even admit that she wants to ban free speech, but makes it sound as if free speech is just some pesky little side matter!
  
  The authoritarians like Stuffy then call free speech yelling ‘fire’ in a cinema, when it is no such thing.
  
  If you knew anything about Molyneux and Southern, you would have a clue that they actually are completely for equal rights and are distressed by the data that shows a lack of equal outcomes. Banning them is shooting the messenger.
  
  Like or hate their message, it should be heard and sensibly discussed.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:30am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Classic Liberal,
    
    Is there any “authoritarian” who does NOT oppose free speech?
    
    The natural world and the world of man are both dynamic and chaotic. Keeping a society on an even keel is a balancing act in which both antagonists and protangonists are necessary.
    If one side believes that it alone can control, and to do so must eliminate opposing voices, then it will find itself in charge of a society that is only able to turn in one direction. Thus having lost the ability to balance, the regime will tend towards instability and dysfunction.
    The ruling side can buy a little time by clamping down harder and harder on its society, but the harder it tightens its grip, the more trouble it will sew for its future.
    Collapse or revolution are inevitable. And the system resets.
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:55am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” Orwell
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:11am
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    Classical Liberal,
    
    “.. and sensibly discussed”
    
    From you?
    
    LOL!
    
    I think the learned judge said the court had no power or jurisdiction to review the case!
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:11am
    - Nermal
      
      Disappointment is scrolling down, pausing to downclick Stephie’s post, only to find its already hidden
      
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      October 1, 2019 4:12pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Did Ardern have the cheek to attempt to get USA telecoms to change the world rules?
    Who does she think she is: Greta’s mother?
    
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    October 1, 2019 12:19pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Your analogy is flawed, in this case those ‘yelling fire’ were outside the theatre trying to suppress lawful activity that would have taken place inside the theatre!
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:39am
- Fletch
  
  We knew this was going to happen after we stupidly dumped the Privvy Council, that the so-called “High Court” would be dominated by liberals and leftist thought.
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:06am
  - sooty
    
    It’s all Helen Clarks and her coverns fault!
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:18am
Maggie Pie

THE QUESTION NEEDS TO BE ASKED:
What on earth is going on in Queenstown?!!

[Or as my partner wonders, is the first paragraph of this article in the NZH just poorly constructed?]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12272411
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October 1, 2019 8:58am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Can’t Thiago De Souza Goncalves be deported?
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:18am
  - MCos
    
    He’s an NZ citizen
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:48am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      What skill set did Mr. Goncalves offer to the authorities for them to let him become a citizen? Shop assisting Grade 1?
      
      And yet there are so many more “worthy-looking” families and individuals whom the government decline.
      
      It’s a mystery.
      
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      October 1, 2019 10:35am
    - Tall Man
      
      He can still be deported I believe if he has done something that can be used to reverse his citizenship.
      
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      October 1, 2019 2:45pm
  - MH
    
    not until the Immigration Minister can pronounce his name fluently without spitting all over the news cameras.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:11am
  - calendar girl
    
    Why isn’t he now in prison?
    
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    October 1, 2019 11:16am
  - Nermal
    
    Maybe he’s got PTPM’s number on his mobile
    On a more serious note, it’s disgusting he wasn’t jailed
    
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    October 1, 2019 4:16pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the Herald asks for your location. Did you put Frankton Junction?
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:24am
Littletramp

Maketu Pies? WTF!
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October 1, 2019 9:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yes indeed, on the same day as Mars Petcare in Whanganui (owned by the Mars family, of chocolate fame) announced it will close next year, and on the same day as it was announced that business confidence is at its lowest point since Helen Clark was Prime Minister.
  
  This has nothing to do with “global headwinds”, and everything to do with a government fiddling as the economy burns.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:48am
  - chaos
    
    I believe there is also 4 more building companies gone bust. It was on the herald but behinds their paywall. There are a few companies hitting the wall down here, the pain in the regions will spread to where robo can’t deny it.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

I bet Aussie is glad to see the rear end of these NZers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CILh3_2UXKs

Our PM calls them an irritant
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/influx-of-criminal-deportees-from-australia-a-major-irritant-to-relationship-jacinda-ardern.html
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October 1, 2019 9:27am
- calendar girl
  
  Why doesn’t NZ do the same thing, i.e. deport Australian criminals (convicted of crimes in this country) back to their own country?
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:23am
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    We do.
    
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    October 1, 2019 2:39pm
  - srylands
    
    We do if they are serious crimes. But there are hardly any Australians in New Zealand who do so.
    
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    October 1, 2019 2:46pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  How can Australia deport someone to NZ who is not a citizen or have existing permanent residential rights?
  
  Has the PT PM got baby-brain or does immigration have no control over Australian deportees arriving without rights?
  
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  October 1, 2019 12:24pm
  - peterwn
    
    Most of the ones deported are NZ citizens by birth. Some would be NZ citizens by descent (having a Kiwi parent). Most probably a few foreign (not Kiwi) citizens are deported back to the country of origin. If any happened to have NZ residency, they could presumably choose to be deported to NZ rather than country of citizenship.
    An attempt to deport someone who has Australian citizenship and also (say) NZ citizenship would be in breach of Australian law.
    Sorry, Jacinda, but trying to tell Australia off for these deportations is meddling in Australia’s internal affairs.
    Look at the fuss when Australia introduced surveillance of waters up to 1000 miles off the Australian coast. This infringed a piece of the NZ 200 mile limit off the Southland coast and Helen Clark was not amused.
    
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    October 1, 2019 2:30pm
  - Tall Man
    
    They are NZ citizens and have any visa arrangement in Australia cancelled.
    
    Fair enough as well. NZ does exactly the same, we just don’t have so many immigrant “ferals” as Aussie does but we do sent a few Ockers back.
    
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    October 1, 2019 2:41pm
chaos

Great story, but a bit worrying for the mother to begin with

* It took 9-year-old Kade Lovell longer than expected to finish his 5km race in Minnesota, but only because he was busy accidentally winning a separate 10km race.

Lovell’s mother became worried when he didn’t cross the finish line of the Francis Franny Flyer 5km in Sartell on September 21. The St. Cloud Times reports she drove along the 5km route looking for him and was “bawling” when no one else saw him, either.

“I had everyone looking for him, even a fireman,” Heather Lovell said. “I was like, ‘You need to go find my son.'”

Then, a spectator called Heather Lovell’s brother-in-law, who was in the 10km race, to let him know there was a “little kid who was running really well” in the 10km race.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12272431
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October 1, 2019 9:29am
- Swifty
  
  “I was like, ‘You need to go find my son.’”
  
  Who talks like that?
  
  What happened to ‘would you please help me find my son?’
  
  I’m waiting for one of the kids to try this ‘you need to’ business with me. Hasn’t happened yet – lucky for them…. 🙂
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:53am
  - DILLIGAF
    
    Americans talk like that.
    Got one here who does it all the time.
    
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    October 1, 2019 11:55am
    - Swifty
      
      It’s a terrible way to speak with people.
      
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      October 1, 2019 1:12pm
      - Tall Man
        
        To… not with.
        
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        October 1, 2019 2:38pm
      - Swifty
        
        I like ‘with’ actually – it denotes a two-way thing.
        
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        October 1, 2019 3:52pm
      - DILLIGAF
        
        Yes.
        They do things very differently…
        I was quite surprised, after receiving a meal to be asked if I was “All set?” – I had my knife and fork, condiments etc. So I said yes.
        The waitress promptly returned with the bill..
        
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        October 2, 2019 7:35am
- Ed Snack
  
  And 48 minutes for a 10 km race is not at all bad for a 9 year old. Typically children that age have a lot of difficulty pacing themselves over such a distance and so blow up and finish very slowly.
  
  I wish I could get back to that sort of speed these days !
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:39pm
lastmanstanding

A message to Greta the PM and all the other Climate Change Disciples.

My wife drives a hybrid. I drive a low emission vehicle. We take one long haul flight a year. We recycle as much as possible. We use as little electricity as possible,
Until you get your carbon footprint down to ours our ears are switched off to your lectures.
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October 1, 2019 9:38am
- sooty
  
  You need to to get out abit, buy a v8 and burn your rubbish!
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    Plastic is the best…… Once it gets going it keep the fire nice and warm and easy to get rid of the rest of the rubbish 🙂
    
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    October 1, 2019 2:36pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  lastman, I can beat that.
  My wife and I share a low emission vehicle, we take a short haul flight about once every three years, we also recycle and use a compost bin and a worm farm and when we go into the city we use public transport.
  And I’m a motorsport fan. I don’t feel guilty watching it on TV because it’s going to happen anyway (until Julie-Anne bans it).
  
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  October 1, 2019 12:23pm
- graham
  
  Someone pointed out yesterday that Cactus Kate has put up a post explaining that she is Greta’s “Poster Adult”.
  
  https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/09/why-i-am-greta-thunbergs-poster-adult.html
  
  For the same sort of reasons as you’ve listed; she hasn’t owned a car for 17 years (longer than Greta has been alive), doesn’t have children, doesn’t own a home, only buys sustainable organic products, walks everywhere she can, and for added wokeness points out that she can literally fit everything she owns into 3.5 suitcases.
  
  And points out that she limits her flying to the point that every Green MP flies more miles now than she does.
  
  Greta and the Greenies will be choking on their soy latte …
  
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  October 1, 2019 2:18pm
  - Pateke
    
    Kate’s latest is a humdinger of a title “Climate Change Emos With Their Giant Egos—Where are their parents.
    
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    October 1, 2019 2:58pm
- Michael
  
  Rubbish.
  AGW doesn’t exist, the Sun does it all.
  So live your life certainly.
  If you are frugal or sustainable even better.
  But live your life and enjoy it too.
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:48pm
rightoverlabour

Bugger, this Global Warming is getting bad, except if you live in Montana…. https://watchers.news/2019/09/30/record-breaking-september-snowstorm-dumps-4-feet-of-snow-on-parts-of-montana-usa/

“It usually takes until a week before Christmas for the area to have a total of 49 cm (19.3 inches) of snowfall in an average winter.”
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October 1, 2019 9:47am
- Nermal
  
  Why do you think they now call it Climate Change. They win either way
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:21pm
rightoverlabour

Real Balmy in Siberia too….

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@2016590/ext

And Europe is having fun in the sun! ( Not)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1183834/weather-forecast-europe-longrange-latest-cold-winter-dwd-bbc-weather-october-warning

“The severe cold snap comes as a long-range weather forecast for the UK has predicted the coldest winter in 30 years.”
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October 1, 2019 9:53am
- rangitoto
  
  It’s interesting how fast far North continental areas like Siberia cool off after the Equinox. Pretty much sub zero around the clock in the North East areas and it’s only the start of October.
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:30am
Maggy Wassilieff

Why on earth is it taking over 8 months to have a Royal Commission on the Christchurch Massacre?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400016/timeline-for-royal-commission-into-mosque-shootings-unrealistic
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October 1, 2019 10:03am
- Fletch
  
  Probably because the result will show there to be no rationale for stripping Kiwis of their legally-owned weapons, and the Govt wants to do it now before common sense intrudes.
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:08am
- chaos
  
  So Jacinda can milk it for as much as she can, but alas I wonder if they will ask her about the changes she made to buying a gun last year.
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:10am
  - sooty
    
    Because leftys, trough! It ain’t going to end soon!
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:22am
- Tricati
  
  Maybe its because no ones turning up to the talk fest.
  I see they have extended the time-frame for submissions, so I guess they just aren’t getting what they want.
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:18am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Maggy,
  
  They are still sorting out the outcome of the Royal Commission before they officially launch it.
  
  Shouldn’t be much longer.
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:37am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Still trying to find a person convicted of firearms offences to be on the commission. Just like you need a perv on a Commission on historic sexual abuse…..
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:17pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
[Mod – deleted. Have you no decency stephie?]
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October 1, 2019 10:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Or mass slayings
  
   LOL!
  
  Only your warped thinking could:
  
  1) Make that connection, and
  2) Find it amusing.
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:13am
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    Tony Stuart, it is beyond credulity that you could justify the use of a high powered semi-automatic for hunting.
    
    Not confident with aiming and sighting ??
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:22am
    - igm
      
      What would a left-wing wimp know about rifles . . . they are for real people?
      
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      October 1, 2019 10:53am
    - rangitoto
      
      I find my GAU 8 effective for eliminating vermin.
      
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      October 1, 2019 11:10am
    - Swifty
      
      Please define high-powered.
      
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      October 1, 2019 1:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  DPF or Moderator,
  
  How the heck are you permitting stephieboy to write this nasty innuendo.. that Ms Millen-Turner, age 13, could use her gun for mass slayings
  
  [Mod – now deleted Maggy]
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:20am
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    MW and moderator none were implied
    
    [Mod – choose your words more carefully then]
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:26am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Our Prime Minister hasn’t trashed, mocked or laughed at the concerns of this young girl.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400015/pm-jacinda-ardern-responds-to-13-year-old-girl-s-plea-over-ar-15-rifle-ban
      
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      October 1, 2019 11:35am
      - sooty
        
        Because the PM would get trashed,mocked and laughed at if she did!
        
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        October 1, 2019 12:47pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        If you were hitherto unaware of children’s position on the victimhood hierarchy. They come before all others and must never be mocked or criticized.
        
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        October 1, 2019 1:33pm
    - herb1
      
      Time that this little dick was sent packing . Free speech is wonderful , but this idiot never adds anything to the debate , and we should be generous and censor him , the same as he wishes for others.
      
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      October 1, 2019 11:52am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Nooo. Let Stuffy say his stupid s**t and show just what a complete dork he is!
        
        I still say this just after reading his insult to me re the importance of free speech and discussing Southern and Molyneux.
        
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        October 1, 2019 1:18pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Totally agree with you Tony and Maggy.
    Implying that a 13 year old with an interest in competitive target shooting (as seen in the Commonweath Games and Winter Olympics, for example) would/could then move on to mass killings is despicable.
    Then adding LoL is creepy. A line has been crossed here.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:45am
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      Silly girl needs to play a real sport. Heard of hockey or basketball? Going for a run? Swimming?
      
      As for her father….
      
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      October 1, 2019 12:05pm
      - chaos
        
        Awww, you sound like a jealous little girl, did mummy and daddy not let you hunting with them?
        
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        October 1, 2019 12:55pm
      - Swifty
        
        chaos – once you understand that Morrissey is a fascist then it all becomes clear.
        
        He doesn’t believe in liberty, you see.
        
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        October 1, 2019 1:09pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      If any line has been crossed, it would be because the girl’s name is known and Stuffy’s comment thus becomes defamatory.
      
      If Stuffy insulted anonymous me with such nonsense, I still wouldn’t want it banned.
      
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      October 1, 2019 1:23pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I have abstained from replying to steffy girl and I suggest others do the same.
        
        She will get tired with being ignored and will either up her game or leave of her own free will.
        
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        October 1, 2019 2:32pm
- cmm
  
  Mod, you really ask a question like that?
  
  stephie is practicing a strategy known as “pissing in the well”. Make KB so unpleasant for reasonable people that they will no longer participate.
  
  This is, essentially, a low-grade way of reducing the value of KB. Can’t shut it down but you can turn people off.
  
  I would like to propose a policy that once someone is identified as pissing in the well (say by having accumulated more than n downticks in a day) they then losing their posting rights for two days. I am unsure if wordpress can provide things like that.
  
  While I am generally opposed to censorship, sometimes a bit of time out is in order so that reasonable conversation can happen.
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:01am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Still: no. We cleanse the well by downticking or commenting. It’s useful when the Leftard Stuffies and Morrisseys of this world show that they are authoritarians.
    
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    October 1, 2019 1:27pm
    - Michael
      
      Classic
      It doesn’t stop them.
      
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      October 1, 2019 4:51pm
Fletch

Not a good look for Adam Schiff, who is leading the ‘Whistleblower’ impeachment charge against Trump. First of all he gets up in front of Congress and puts words in Trump’s mouth, making up dialogue that wasn’t in the released transcript because it wasn’t damning enough. Schiff later claimed it was a “parody” (really?).

Now audio has surfaced from two years ago of Schiff being pranked by two Russian radio hosts. Schiff thought he was talking to Andriy Parubiy, the former speaker of Ukraine’s parliament, who asks if Schiff would be willing to accept dirt on Trump from the Ukraine. Schiff says yes, of course.

But that is entirely different. NOT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrOjKM_hfk
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October 1, 2019 10:13am
- Inandout
  
  That Schiff is a disgusting piece of work, he shows his shadiness well on his face. Who votes for these despicable types?
  
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  October 1, 2019 12:08pm
- Morrissey
  
  Schiff is so repellent he actually makes Trump look good….
  
  https://twitter.com/maxblumenthal/status/959137376361738245
  
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  October 1, 2019 12:16pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Some idiot Russiagate true believer downticker has decided to show support for Adam Schiff. So sad.
    
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    October 1, 2019 1:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Face it, no one likes you or your comments.
      
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      October 1, 2019 2:29pm
      - Morrissey
        
        ???
        
        You mean, in an extreme right wing forum, the illiberal gits who haunt it are intolerant and ignorant and cannot abide a contrary or challenging view.
        
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        October 2, 2019 2:07pm
MH

RNZ contacted the Federation of Islamic Associations but did not receive a response.

is the Imam off on an all expenses trip to the hajj paid for by the King of saudi, father of Bin Salman who is prime suspect according to UN investigators in the dismembering of journalist jamal Khashoggi-just over a year ago and how do our journalist react in support of Jamal. Not a whisper of condemnation. Perhaps Jacinda will pay a visit to the Kingdom and voice her concerns?
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October 1, 2019 10:28am
cmm

Oes noes, ICEBERG!!!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/116225037/massive-iceberg-breaks-off-antarctic-ice-sheet

This is a perfectly natural process that has been going on forever. Ice forms on the land and slowly shifts towards the sea. It then breaks off, especially as things warm up.
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October 1, 2019 10:36am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “especially as things warm up”
  YES….it’s called SPRING
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:57am
- Rich Prick
  
  Geriatric polar bears tend to fall over dead too.
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:47am
- Psycho Milt
  
  From the linked article, actual reasons this is a news story:
  
  One of the biggest icebergs recorded…
  
  And:
  
  The block of ice was so large it would have to be monitored to ensure the safety of shipping…
  
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  October 1, 2019 1:44pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    One of the biggest recorded. Well, how big? Monitoring large icebergs occurs all the time. So why is it news?
    
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    October 1, 2019 4:23pm
chaos

From spaceweather.com

* 2019 IS A DEEP SOLAR MINIMUM: Today, the sun racked up its 198th spotless day of the year. So far in 2019, the sun has been blank 73% of the time. This is the same percentage as the year 2008–previously the least sun-spotty year of the Space Age. If Solar Minimum continues to deepen, 2019 will soon claim the undisputed throne of Space Age spotlessness, marking it as a century-class minimum in solar activity.*
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October 1, 2019 10:44am
- cmm
  
  Bloody SUV drivers even screwing up the sun.
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:51am
  - chaos
    
    Someone needs to start burning tires and anything else they can find, warm the planet up please. Another cold summer like last year means the vegetable garden won’t be producing as much again as it used to.
    
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    October 1, 2019 12:54pm
    - srylands
      
      Last summer was the third hottest summer recorded in the last 120 years in New Zealand. Where do you live?
      
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      October 1, 2019 1:35pm
      - chaos
        
        Yeah you keep saying that but that doesn’t make it real.
        
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        October 1, 2019 4:10pm
      - cmm
        
        When people choose a number like 120 years it means that 120 years ago things were hotter.
        
        So 120 years ago, 1899, before SUVs and power stations, things were hotter.
        
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        October 1, 2019 5:50pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The lack of sun spots causes less interaction with our high level cloud formations and magnetosphere.
  A similar type of event in the past allowed the Thames to have fairs there on the ice. Brueghel also painted the colder period too.
  
  There are scientists with more credits than grouchy Greta who have predicted we have started or are close to entering a long period of serious cooling. We’ll know within the next 1o years.
  
  We may not like cooling either. Will it stop the UN claims to world control?
  
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  October 1, 2019 12:39pm
  - chaos
    
    i remember the nice hot summers as a child, spending all day playing and swimming in the lake. Not summers like we have now, electric blanket still on the bed, people using their fires on summer nights. And the vegetables taking longer to grow in the cooler summer than they used to
    
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    October 1, 2019 1:08pm
    - srylands
      
      Last summer was the third hottest summer in New Zealand on record. The summer before was the hottest summer on record. Since 1909. Where do you live?
      
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      October 1, 2019 1:38pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Where did you get that info: NIWA?
        They doctored the data a long time ago to fit in. They were going to make global warming in NZ by making the past numbers cooler.
        
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        October 1, 2019 3:22pm
      - chaos
        
        couldnt of been that hot considering so many down here had their fires going through it..
        
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        October 1, 2019 4:08pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Very much doubt they were hotter than the 1930s. Evidence please? Anyway, define summer.
        
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        October 1, 2019 4:26pm
      - srylands
        
        Wellington had its hottest ever recorded day last summer. I’d rather trust the metservice than hazy memories of childhood summers. Last summer and 2016/17 were fantastic summers in Wellington.
        
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        October 1, 2019 6:15pm
      - chaos
        
        So hot last year several times in summer we had snow on the hills behind us, brrrr, so hot……
        
        MetService, heck they can’t even get the weather right. Apparently it was meant to be raining with hail today, nope. Always love watching the weather on the news at night then Looking at our weather station and seeing how different the temps are.
        
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        October 1, 2019 7:34pm
    - MH
      
      and then she took away your memories. how dairy she.
      
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      October 1, 2019 2:46pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Gosh!
  Are you suggesting that a lower level of solar activity could result in colder-than-usual winters?
  It would be fascinating to see if this is borne out in the real world.
  
  (Hold it. What was that….?)
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January%E2%80%93February_2019_North_American_cold_wave
  
  Wait! Not to worry. It’s only the jet stream, folks. Carry on with your anti-carbon advocacy!
  
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  October 1, 2019 1:11pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s a bit complex explaining uppermost earth interactions with particle ejections from the sun. There is a lot of research on that topic. I’ll try and get something readable together.
    
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    October 1, 2019 3:26pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Good place to start
      
      https://electroverse.net/professor-valentina-zharkova-breaks-her-silence-and-confirms-super-grand-solar-minimum/
      
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      October 1, 2019 4:29pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND … On the skids ? …

Latest NZIER Quarterly Survey of Business Opinion suggests GDP could fall below 1% later this year; RBNZ likely to be forced to cut interest rates further … David Hargreaves … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/101922/latest-nzier-quarterly-survey-business-opinion-suggests-gdp-could-fall-below-1-later
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Latest ANZ Business Outlook Survey shows that the Reserve Bank’s ‘shock and Orr’ cut to interest rates last month has done little to improve sentiment in the business community … David Hargreaves … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/101914/latest-anz-business-outlook-survey-shows-reserve-banks-shock-and-orr-cut-interest
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Fonterra’s new strategy is all about cutting the cloth to suit the purse. The new overarching strategy is just the first step on a long path … Keith Woodford … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/101893/fonterra%E2%80%99s-new-strategy-all-about-cutting-cloth-suit-purse-new-overarching
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October 1, 2019 10:47am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Downticks for link-whoring. Otherwise the points made are valid.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:49pm
tranquil

Good video here about the so-called “climate scientists” fudging the data –
“Hiding The Hottest Month On Record”

Quote – “NASA temperature records used to show March, 1878 as the hottest month on record around the world. There was a global heatwave and drought which killed fifty million people that year. NASA has since made the heat of 1878 disappear, and removed all of the hot weather prior to 1880. And the Australian Bureau of Meteorology has done even worse.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxQjOasRvGE

Great – what say you?
Schoolkids – what say you?
You are being *used!*
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October 1, 2019 10:50am
- Inandout
  
  tranquil, I was going to chuck my 1970s Guinness Book of Records, but it has all the old climate data. Thank goodness for old books which cannot be cleansed as easily as the internet.
  
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  October 1, 2019 12:12pm
Yvette

• Family members of the 29 men who died in the Pike River Mine disaster have been invited to go underground to the 170-metre barrier next week. The invitation has been extended by the Pike River Recovery Agency and is set for [next] Thursday October 3 if weather permits.

• The Government’s intention to exempt the Pike River Mine re-entry team from safety laws and regulations is concerning and inappropriate … “One of the most important failures identified by the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Pike River was the unsafe design of the mine in not having two means of egress.

• An earthquake which hit north of Milford Sound has been felt by many across the South Island. Geonet records the quake as a 4.7 magnitude shake, which struck at a depth of 5km at about 10:07am on Tuesday [less than an hour ago].

• Osborne said Pike River “played Russian roulette with the men” and the Pike River Recovery Agency won’t be doing that.

Mental dissonance?
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October 1, 2019 10:52am
- cmm
  
  We can’t take people for a walk around the office without a health and safety briefing, but we can take them 170m int oa friggin mine???
  
  “Osborne said Pike River “played Russian roulette with the men”” Of course that is complete bullshit. The men played Russian roulette with themselves. They knew the state of the mine better than anyone else. They had more training than anyone else. It was their cavalier attitude that caused this event.
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Greens were the ones who should be responsible. They wouldn’t have an open cast mine.
    The mine can never be safe with a gas producing seam.
    How can anyone be certain of the survivors safety on their underground jaunt? I see all parties involved in agreeing to allow it as being potentially legally liable as irresponsible. That includes politicians. There would need to be very specific law to avoid the ancient rules. Parliament cannot be challenged but its wisdom can be.
    
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    October 1, 2019 12:46pm
    - cmm
      
      All coal will release methane. That is a given, like the sun coming up tomorrow.
      
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      October 1, 2019 2:25pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        There are some particular extra powerful gas producing seams that mining engineers world wide are well aware of. The wisdom is such seams require open cast mines.
        
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        October 1, 2019 3:30pm
- Tall Man
  
  Just “mental” Yvette.
  
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  October 1, 2019 2:20pm
Frank Thomas

Andrew Bolt: 11 Cool Facts on Warming to Calm Down Your Sobbing Child
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2019/09/andrew-bolt-11-cool-facts-on-warming-to.html
A good response to the childish outrage. Never let the facts get in the way of your narrative!
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October 1, 2019 10:55am
tranquil

In my email today from the Free Speech Coalition –

“Free Speech Coalition astonished with winning of ‘thugs veto’ over use of Auckland public facilities”

30 September 2019
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Reacting to the decision of His Honour Justice Pheroze Jagose, Free Speech Coalition Counsel, Jack Hodder QC, said:

“With our clients, we will need to consider carefully what the judgment does and does not say, and consider the options, including rights of appeal. The judgment effectively avoids having to engage with the main driver of the judicial review: that an essentially public body appears to have yielded with speed and without serious inquiry to the ‘thugs’ veto’.”

“There is a long tradition of local authorities providing facilities used for political dialogue, notwithstanding that these may attract protests; and the essence of the judicial review was whether Regional Facilities Auckland’s existence changes that. According to this decision, it does.”

Coalition Spokesman, Jordan Williams, said:

“We are astonished by this decision – which concludes that the decision to de-platform the Canadian speakers is not reviewable because the Council has vested the speaking venues in Regional Facilities Auckland. It is differing the rights of freedom of speech and assembly, on the basis of the Council’s preferred ownership structure.”

“Effectively the Court has said to Phil Goff and other Mayors, if you want to shut out unwelcome speakers in the future, just give control of your community gathering assets to a team of hand-picked trusties who will safely suppress those you disagree with.”

“This is the kind of decision for which past generations of bullying local elites would have dreamed. For example they could have shut down access to unpopular religions (like the Salvation Army when it opposed the interests of publicans during the temperance campaigns) or workers promoting unions, or anti-war activists 40 years ago.”

“This decision could allow politicians to set up front organisations to gag the spread of vegan or vegetarian ideas in farming communities. It would also allow councils to cancel meetings held by women’s rights groups discussing whether transgender women should have access to women’s toilets and changing rooms.”

“If we can raise the money to appeal the decision, we will be looking very closely at doing so.”

ENDS

Dare I say it …… this is not good.
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October 1, 2019 10:57am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I agree with Jack Hodder QC.
  
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  October 1, 2019 12:52pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1909/S00781/free-speech-coalition-astonished-by-winning-of-thugs-veto.htm

“Reacting to the decision of His Honour Justice Pheroze Jagose, Free Speech Coalition Counsel, Jack Hodder QC, said:

“With our clients, we will need to consider carefully what the judgment does and does not say, and consider the options, including rights of appeal. The judgment effectively avoids having to engage with the main driver of the judicial review: that an essentially public body appears to have yielded with speed and without serious inquiry to the ‘thugs’ veto’.”

““This is the kind of decision for which past generations of bullying local elites would have dreamed” – Jordan Williams
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October 1, 2019 10:59am
The King

Black Girl Who Said White Classmates Cut Her Dreadlocks Admits That She Fabricated The Entire Story.

Another hate hoax like Davids ChCh Anonymous letter one he refuses any investigation and censors anyone who does.

They all end up being hoaxes not enough racism supply to meet the demand.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12272459
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October 1, 2019 11:21am
- The King
  
  Look at the positioning of the heralds report that this story turned out to be a hoax, the retraction gets a tiny corner at the bottom of front page.
  
  When the story broke it was plastered right at the top and stayed there for days.
  
  The herald is run by anti-White racists.
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:46am
- Rich Prick
  
  The psychology behind this, Smollett and the various lesbian and Muslim hoaxes would be fascinating to understand. Being a minority for some people just isn’t enough, they have to be victims too, even if they aren’t.
  
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  October 1, 2019 11:51am
  - The King
    
    Being a victim of ‘racism’ pays well, and almost all of its currency is counterfeited.
    
    These hoaxes can raise big $ on gofundmes, get promotions,fame elected to councils etc etc at the expense of a blood libel on an entire race.
    
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    October 1, 2019 12:16pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If you have a lot of white people who have money, a strong desire to appear virtuous, and a sense of guilt for not having struggled for what they have (i.e., it was given to them), then they will strongly desire to hear the kind of news that allows them to take actions to feel better about themselves.
  
  For example, they will love to hear stories about a mean white person doing something to a ______ person, for then they will be able to salve their souls by giving alms to St. Gofundme, the patron saint of the Order of the Bleeding Heart.
  
  They really can’t get enough of stories like these, and who cares if they’re not true; it’s the feelz that really matter.
  
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  October 1, 2019 3:23pm
Morrissey

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Hard to tell who’s more stupid—this 13 year old or her father.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400015/pm-jacinda-ardern-responds-to-13-year-old-girl-s-plea-over-ar-15-rifle-ban
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October 1, 2019 11:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Hard to tell who’s more stupid—this 13 year old, her father, or Morrissey.”
  
  There, fixed for you.
  
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  October 1, 2019 12:43pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Good one, Cap’n. One of your very best.
    
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    October 1, 2019 12:47pm
  - chaos
    
    Hmmmm,
    
    Not hard at all.
    
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    October 1, 2019 12:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Captain, neither this girl nor her father are stupid so the point is moot.
    
    morrissey is one of the few really stupid commenters on here.
    
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    October 1, 2019 2:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Made a similar point but mine was deleted. Seems it’s ok to sling off at Greta Thurnberg but no this 13-year-old!
  
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  October 1, 2019 1:41pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You did more than state that the child and her father were stupid.
    That’s why your post got taken down.
    
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    October 1, 2019 2:16pm
    - sooty
      
      Should have been banned again, you pervert!
      
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      October 1, 2019 3:29pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    Tony Stuart has preserved this part of your comment:
    
    Or mass slayings
    LOL!
    
    It’s hard to reconcile Stephieboy the Sunday church-goer and Stephieboy the online weirdo who thinks it’s hilarious that a 13-year-old girl could use her gun for mass slayings. Have you considered seeking professional help for your multiple personality disorder?
    
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    October 1, 2019 3:31pm
    - chaos
      
      Labour’s paid trolls don’t come with a health plan, they don’t want them being helped enough to see how stupid they and labour are
      
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      October 1, 2019 5:14pm
- graham
  
  I know I’m going to regret this, but …
  
  Do tell, Morrissey. Why exactly do you consider Maddy and her father “stupid”?
  
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  October 1, 2019 1:41pm
  - Morrissey
    
    He bought her a high powered rifle. That’s stupid on his part, to put the kindest possible spin on it.
    
    As for her, she’s stupid enough to let herself be used for propaganda purposes by the likes of that convicted criminal and lout Tipple and his daughter.
    
    By the way, why is shooting a sport? We’ve outlawed bear-baiting and bull-baiting and rodeo’s on the way out. Why is shooting still allowed?
    
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    October 2, 2019 10:52am
Straight arrow

Economics101: National Comparative Advantage, or “How dare you replace dairy with forests”.

NZ can produce dairy and meat products with less greenhouse gas emissions than vast majority of countries. That is, NZ has a natural (environment, weather) international comparative advantage in relation to dairy emissions, enhanced by superior research.

In the same way as PM Ardern blocking new exploration permits for oil in offshore Taranaki will not reduce global usage of gas and oil, (indeed, likely to increase global CO2-e emissions overall, according to MBIE officials), New Zealand reducing national herd sizes will not reduce global consumption of meat and dairy products. Other, less efficient, producers will fill the gap. Global greenhouse emissions will increase if NZ reduces or fails to increase herd numbers.

The maths is this:
For every kilogram extra (of meat or dairy) produced in NZ, one fewer is produced overseas. Say overseas production is 15% less efficient. Therefore, while increasing NZ emissions by xx amount, overseas emissions reduce by xx times 1.15. Net result, is 15 percent less global emissions.

Jeremy Hill, chief science and technology officer at Fonterra, made a similar observation a couple of years ago, stating “if the world’s dairy producers were as emissions-efficient as New Zealand, the global carbon footprint from dairy would be more than halved”. Of course, because of NZ’s advantages, other countries cannot do this.

Obviously I have simplified argument here, as other factors (water ways, jobs) at work. Claiming a global emergency, but only looking at reducing national emissions is a false method.
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October 1, 2019 11:49am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I sense the campaign too. They also prefer native trees with even longer growth cycles.
  
  If MMP does this–allowing the Greta’s to run the country–it’s time to stop it.
  The political executive control needs to be returned to more able people. Raise the voting age to 35/40 or minimum income before tax of $100K p.a. over the past three years. Parliamentary term to be increased to 5 years as part of the package.
  
  Parliament is not a job opportunity post uni. It’s not about representation either. How many sub-groups of the incompetent do we need to guide us to doom through their follies? How many greens are needed to represent butterflies and cabbage ~~heads~~ trees?
  
  We need achievers with the ability to make decisions and to take the advice of capable Deptl. heads. How can anyone in the COL be in charge of a Portfolio?
  
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  October 1, 2019 1:12pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    I like that.
    
    People over 65 who not longer earn $100k would drop off the edge too I suppose. Actually if we are making rules about what the future is to be, then arguably these folk are irrelevant anyway …. as they won’t be here for it.
    
    Ah the 1800’s. Those were the days – the proles knew their place …
    
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    October 1, 2019 6:06pm
- Nermal
  
  The Greens change their arguments according to their pet project of the day. I remember them objecting to Hokianga’s management plan because back then forestry was evil monoculture
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:40pm
rangitoto

Red meat ok after all. I guess the science wasn’t settled.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7520483/You-DONT-need-cut-red-meat-scientists-claim-huge-controversial-study.html
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October 1, 2019 11:51am
- mandk
  
  That’s great.
  
  But I think I would eat red meat, even if it were found to be unhealthy.
  
  Just to piss off the vegan eco-facists.
  
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  October 1, 2019 1:41pm
- Nickc2
  
  The science has always been settled. Mankind is designed to eat red/white/other meat. Animals (including mankind) with eyes on the front of their heads are predators and animals with eyes on the side of their heads are prey. End of lesson! Don’t let vegans convince you otherwise.
  
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  October 1, 2019 1:50pm
  - GoVege
    
    But look what eating meat does to you!
    Like that scary brute in Brighton who apparently punched a young female vegan in the face.
    Bet he eats his meat raw…..
    
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    October 1, 2019 7:35pm
  - GoVege
    
    Thats understandable for cavemen, Nick, but these days we are meant to be civilized!
    
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    October 1, 2019 7:43pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and the other kind are just mental.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vegan-couple-baby-child-starved-malnourished-neglect-potato-formula-florida-titusville-a8782521.html
    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/parents-face-court-over-neglect-of-child-on-veganonly-diet/news-story/00b9be2eac43730183111939626ee10a
    
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    October 2, 2019 8:24am
- Tall Man
  
  Now to get the back down over climate change stupidity……. Good luck with that.
  
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  October 1, 2019 2:02pm
  - sooty
    
    Are the teachers the new brown shirts of the climate change!
    They seem to be leading the charge and indoctrinating school kids!
    
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    October 1, 2019 3:27pm
    - chaos
      
      https://www.rt.com/news/469919-children-forced-participate-climate-strike/
      
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      October 1, 2019 7:19pm
- DigNap15
  
  FFS we have been eating red meat for thousands of years, and for the last 200 years have been living longer and longer.
  And they say that red meat is bad for us
  F Off.
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:45pm
  - GoVege
    
    Not so, Dignap.
    Japan has the longest lived people in the world and they’ve never been big meat-eaters.
    
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    October 1, 2019 7:38pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Wagyu beef.
      
      Mmmmmmm
      
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      October 2, 2019 7:37am
chaos

Interesting article, Biden is gone, but I believe it will be warren against Trump, Trump winning.

* Hillary Clinton remains shackled to her lust for power and revenge and now is signaling that she may enter the Democrats’ presidential contest when ex–vice president Joe Biden withdraws and serves as the fall guy for Ukraine’s collusion with her 2016 presidential campaign. She realizes that her party’s frenzy to unseat President Trump will consume the ambition of the hapless halfwit to gain the Oval Office that rightfully belongs to her, as his familial dirty laundry is aired in an effort to find Trump impeachment fodder in Ukraine.*

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/as_biden_falters_hillary_attacks_trump_and_positions_herself_to_enter_presidential_race.html
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October 1, 2019 1:13pm
- Inandout
  
  chaos, Giuliani has the affidavits on Biden & Son that have the Dems in absolute panic mode, thrashing about with wild abandon and desperate to hang something on Trump. The MSM have even taken to banning Giuliani from appearing as a guest on their shows, and this of course plays right into Trump’s hands. They have however continued to invite DeNiro on and beep out his continual expletives; has that man not got a vocabulary?
  
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  October 1, 2019 2:52pm
  - John Warren
    
    De Niro has clearly lost his marbles – a terminal case of TDS? When was the last time he made a decent movie?
    
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    October 1, 2019 6:57pm
- Rich Prick
  
  A massive own goal. Clinton will inject herself into the race, she’s such a narcissist she won’t resist the urge.
  
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  October 1, 2019 3:46pm
  - Inandout
    
    RP, Bill is also good at injecting.
    
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    October 1, 2019 3:57pm
    - John Warren
      
      There must be a joke about Bill with the punchline “Close, Monica, but no cigar…” but I can’t think of one.
      
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      October 1, 2019 7:00pm
- chaos
  
  Nancy may of stuffed up
  
  * House Republican Conference Chairman Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., on Monday pushed for answers on how much top Democrats knew about the explosive White House whistleblower’s complaint before it was officially made, after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s head-turning comments during a televised interview on Sunday.
  
  “He told me it was perfect, that there was nothing on the call,” Pelosi said on CBS News’ “60 Minutes,” referring to a conversation she had with President Trump before the Trump administration released either a transcript of his call with Ukraine’s leader or the whistleblower’s complaint.
  
  “But, I know what was in the call,” Pelosi continued, before quickly adding, “I mean, uh, it was in the public domain.”
  
  Pelosi’s remark drew scrutiny from Republicans because no verbatim account of Trump’s call had yet been made publicly available.
  
  “@SpeakerPelosi⁩ said on 60 Minutes last night she knew the details of the classified Ukraine call before White House released transcript,” Cheney wrote on Twitter. “This is starting to seem like a political set up. So, Madame Speaker, ‘what did you know and when did you know it?’”*
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-gop-conference-chair-asks
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:17pm
  - Inandout
    
    Age may have tripped up Nancy for a moment there, although she is known for rambling on for hours in a speech. You need to be as sharp as a tack in that environment.
    
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    October 1, 2019 5:44pm
chaos

Well done to the locals. Get sick of these developers and people that move to an area or develop an area when they know full well what is in it and then complain about it

* A developer that won a noise case against the country’s biggest military airport says it doesn’t want to hinder operations at Whenuapai.

But local residents have launched a petition backing the Defence Force and calling the situation “disgraceful”.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12272533

Sign the petition

https://www.change.org/p/neil-construction-ltd-stop-neil-construction-ltd-from-ruining-whenuapai
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October 1, 2019 1:20pm
Alan Wilkinson

Reserve Bank Governor, Adrian Orr, is paid $800k per annum for spouting b.s. in support of the Coalition of Losers:
https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/09/30/a-rather-well-paid-governor/
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October 1, 2019 1:53pm
- Tall Man
  
  Pffftt. Nothing compared with the amount “what’s in it for wynston” and jones are fleecing us for….
  
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  October 1, 2019 1:56pm
chaos

A lot of hot air is all it really is

Let’s see, if you are a super gold card holder, great news, today and next Tuesday you can get 10% off at the warehouse. Hmmm, wonder what happens after those two tuesdays does the warehouse then drop being part of it.

Spark a $30 credit, not discount, if you buy their $139 call screen home phone.

Free tea or coffee at Burger King

Poor pensioners would of been nice if the gold card could give them more useful discounts like a discount with one of the many state owned power companies.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/winston-peters-hails-major-supergold-card-upgrade-including-app-updated-website.html

* Winston Peters is hailing a “major” upgrade to the SuperGold Card which includes an updated website, a new app and 500 new businesses signed up.

Peters, Deputy Prime Minister and New Zealand First leader, is describing the upgrades as a reflection of his party’s “ongoing commitment to our nation’s seniors”. *
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October 1, 2019 2:18pm
- rangitoto
  
  The OAPs would have been trousering an extra grand each year except for Winnie the poo
  
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  October 1, 2019 2:34pm
  - greybeard
    
    Some chap on Magic Talk this morning said it was a saving of $2000 / year for National’s proposal.
    
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    October 1, 2019 4:47pm
- peterwn
  
  As far as I can see it still does not get round the issue that in some places you have to buy a ‘Hop’ card for Auckland or its equivalents for various other places to access the Super Gold Card free travel.
  
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  October 1, 2019 2:36pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partners mum has had a SuperGold Card for nearly 5 years now – and has never ever used it!
  
  As she sez, ” You don’t fork out 40k to your Plastic Surgeon and then let everyone on the Waiheke Ferry know you’re a f~~king pensioner”
  
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  October 1, 2019 3:43pm
  - greybeard
    
    So your partner’s mum is almost 70, wastes her money, uses bad language and is vain. Yes ?
    
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    October 1, 2019 5:48pm
    - chaos
      
      You sound jealous
      
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      October 1, 2019 7:18pm
    - Tall Man
      
      She sounds fucking awesome doesn’t she?
      
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      October 1, 2019 8:12pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      LOL greybeard 🙂
      Actually you just reminded me of her joke about….
      How do you get a 70 year-old grandmother to yell out “C~~T!! ”
      Have someone else yell …”BINGO!”
      
      ps: and she sure doesn’t condider plastic surgery a ‘waste of money’ at 70+
      – check this out and see wot ya think
      
      https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/09/29/10/19067494-7517211-image-a-123_1569748707022.jpg
      
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      October 1, 2019 9:07pm
  - Inandout
    
    Ah Maggie, so many quotes on PS:
    ‘I wish I had a twin, so I could know what I’d look like without plastic surgery’.
    
    Joan Rivers
    
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    October 1, 2019 5:50pm
- Swifty
  
  Peters, Deputy Prime Minister and New Zealand First leader, is describing the upgrades as a reflection of his party’s ‘ongoing commitment to buying senior votes.’
  
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  October 1, 2019 3:57pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    He never had my senior vote, but if he did he would have lost it when he voted against National’s $1000 per ear extra benefit for oldies.
    
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    October 1, 2019 7:47pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Sorry, per YEAR, but if I’d edited it I’d be in moderation for another 2 hours.
      
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      October 1, 2019 7:48pm
- Kabull
  
  I find I have used my card perhaps twice in the past 12 months. It is largely a gimmick.
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:40pm
- Tall Man
  
  He’s so full of shit we better hope he doesn’t pop in parliament one day.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Niwa and MetService face investigation over sales of weather

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12272255&utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=busirss&utm_campaign=NZH%20Brand&utm_content=tdob

The Government should also be investigating why NIWA is carrying out meteorological work.
Duplicate science isn’t a luxury NZ can afford.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/85147912/editorial-why-do-we-need-both-metservice-and-niwa-to-provide-weather-forecasts
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October 1, 2019 2:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400051/weatherwatch-cash-lies-at-heart-of-opposition-to-private-forecasters
  
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  October 1, 2019 3:26pm
- alloytoo
  
  Selling NZ weather?
  
  In winter you couldn’t give it away 🙂
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:20am
kevn

@chaos… Is whinney talking about the same nations seniors he gypped on the tax break under the previous (real) government? That he had signed off on.
New website = waste
New app = rubbish
Gold card discounts? Just a retail trick, load the purchase cost up first, then offer the crummy little discount. Most oldies have figured that out.
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October 1, 2019 2:34pm
wreck1080

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12272119

For the 80,000 people who travel up and down the Southern Motorway between Papakura and Manukau each day, progress on the triple-laning upgrade seems interminably slow.

The New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) project has been a disaster. It is a year behind schedule and an expected $49 million over budget.

This project is an exemplar of just how bad New Zealand is at building basic infrastructure. An absolute joke and a mockery on the new zealand taxpayer.
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October 1, 2019 3:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “This project is an exemplar of just how bad New Zealand is at building basic infrastructure.”
  
  How true, but we weren’t always this bad.
  Last weekend I attended a presentation at the old Ford Assembly plant building in Seaview, Lower Hutt, which is currently being modernised and reconfigured by a developer for multiple tenants. So far the reconfiguration has taken about 3 years.
  When this massive building (600 feet by 310 feet and the equivalent of four stories high) was built in 1936 the first sod was turned in February, the superstructure was up in August and the first cars rolled off the line in October. All using mid-thirties technology.
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:23pm
  - srylands
    
    The Pentagon at 600,000 square metres was built in the early 1940s. It took only 16 months to complete.
    
    Back to now. Chrusturch Council is replacing the main sewer line in Riccarton Road. It is a real mess. It looks like it will take 12 months to complete. Possibly longer.
    
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    October 1, 2019 4:43pm
    - sooty
      
      At what cost over run?
      
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      October 1, 2019 8:17pm
- srylands
  
  And yet our forebears built roads, railways, and tunnels up and down the nation. It would be interesting to look at a New Zealand road map from the 1950s. Apart from the urban motorways, I don’t think the road network has changed much at all.
  
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  October 1, 2019 4:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  Good for Higgins, Fulton Hogan and the other contractors though.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:04pm
chaos

Oh dog they are getting desperate. No where in his tweet does he say it will cause a civil war, he says it will cause a civil war like fracture. Harvard war professor may need to learn to read and understand what is being said before he jumps on his 5 seconds of fame

* “This tweet is itself an independent basis for impeachment – a sitting president threatening civil war if Congress exercises its constitutionally authorized power,” Coates wrote on Twitter on Monday.*

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-civil-war-tweet-grounds-impeachment-1462044
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October 1, 2019 4:13pm
- Tall Man
  
  Careful, Batman and our host will be along on this………………………
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:00pm
  - Batman
    
    Sorry mate, I don’t have time to respond thanks to all the popcorn I’m consuming this week! ?
    
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    October 1, 2019 11:22pm
chaos

Top 10 Reasons Why Greta Thunberg Is a Fraud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jpk8Ix1CCg&feature=youtu.be
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October 1, 2019 4:26pm
- Inandout
  
  chaos, I see even Al Gore has handled her.
  
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  October 1, 2019 5:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Like a “labour” handled?
    
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    October 1, 2019 7:58pm
RW Capitalist

Since the removal of “targets” by this Govt.
Immunization rates have fallen from around 95% to 90%
We have since had an outbreak of measles.
We now learn today, that 2 women who contracted measles, have lost their unborn babies.
Wonder if Jacinda or the Minister of Health will apologize? ……NAH didn’t think so.
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October 1, 2019 5:08pm
- chaos
  
  It’s worse than that, the Maori immunisation rate has fallen to 88% for Maori 2 year olds
  
  All the hard work of the past government to get the rates up gone by this joke of a failed priest health minister
  
  Paywall but the one sentence you can see says it
  
  https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/news/dont-blame-maori-decline-vaccination-rate-national-hauora-coalition
  
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  October 1, 2019 5:34pm
WaveyDavey

I see Stuffed is leading the charge to lynch Auckland Uni for standing up for freedom of speech. How long before the Uni backs down?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/116230363/white-supremacists-at-auckland-uni-students-call-out-unis-refusal-to-remove-signs
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October 1, 2019 5:10pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The group in question, claiming to be a “brotherhood of young European New Zealanders” will have to be very careful what they say at their meetings, as not to provide excuses for those who would eliminate them.
  
  All they can do is provide a rational arguement for having New Zealand strive to be a “white nation” and try to convince people to support their cause, but if the people of this country do not support them, and I know that they will not, then the group will not succeed.
  
  If they can make the claim and prove that “white males” are a minority on campus, then they ought to be able to be able to apply for special privilages and protection. (Sauce for the gander and all that…)
  
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  October 1, 2019 7:34pm
  - The King
    
    “be careful what they say”‘
    
    Why? so those who fly here get gifted with everything they never built, don’t get their feelings hurt?
    
    Na, good on these young lads.
    
    They have more support than you think, just because you don’t see something on the heavily censored internet doesn’t mean its not there.
    
    If they were irrelevant the media censorship propaganda wouldn’t be necessary.
    
    But hey, keep poking sticks at the Lion, ill enjoy it when he wakes up.
    
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    October 1, 2019 9:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Snowflakes are easily offended it would seem.
    
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    October 1, 2019 10:09pm
- Tall Man
  
  Diversity is awesome, as long as you are “diverse” within the parameters the snowflakes can tolerate.
  
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  October 1, 2019 10:10pm
Captain Mainwaring

http://autotalk.co.nz/news/vehicle-scrapping-scheme-on-the-cards

They should be scrapping these old bangers in Japan instead of sending them here.
That would solve the problem of our ageing vehicle fleet.
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October 1, 2019 5:13pm
- chaos
  
  So basically get rid of the cars that the poor can afford and replace them with? Pretend cars. Oh I know you get a bean that you can plant in the ground that will grow into the clouds, you can go get some gold and then buy a new car
  
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  October 1, 2019 5:22pm
  - sooty
    
    They got rid of horses because of the horse shit in the street and now the greens want to bring them back!
    
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    October 1, 2019 8:15pm
- Tall Man
  
  What a stupid idea. What is the fuel consumption or emission level of a 2004 Corolla compared to a 2019 Corolla……. miniscule difference isn’t it.
  
  So, why not buy the cheap car and plant a few trees to offset the extra emissions so you don’t get greta coming around and spitting in your boilup…
  
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  October 1, 2019 7:49pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND AUGUST 2019 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING CONSENT / APPROVAL CONTRASTS …

Australia’s dwelling approvals crash goes from bad to worse … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/australias-dwelling-approvals-crash-deepens/

The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) has released dwelling approvals data for the month of August. At the national level, the number of dwelling approvals fell by a seasonally adjusted 1.1% to 12,817. The overall slump in approvals was driven by houses (-2.4%) with units (+3.1%) rebounding.

In the year to August 2019, dwelling approvals crashed by a seasonally-adjusted 21.5%, with house approvals down 17.0% and unit approvals tanking by 28.9%:
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NEW ZEALAND … AUGUST BUILDING CONSENTS …

New dwelling consents were up strongly in Auckland, Wellington and (increasingly affordable) Canterbury in August … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/101909/new-dwelling-consents-were-strongly-auckland-wellington-and-canterbury-august

The number of new homes being consented continued to gallop along at a healthy clip in August.

According to Statistics NZ, 3261 new dwellings were consented throughout the country in August, down slightly from 3420 in July but up 6% compared to August last year.

In Auckland 1407 dwellings were consented, up 8.4% on the same month last year, in Wellington 225 new dwellings were consented (+11.4%) and Canterbury shows no sign of slowing down with 511 new dwellings consented, up a whopping 29.7% on August last year (the chart below shows the trends in all regions). … read more via hyperlink above …
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Building consents issued: August 2019 … Statistics New Zealand

https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/building-consents-issued-august-2019
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Annualizing the August figures and adjusting for different populations, the consent / approval rate per 1000 population per annum for Australia is about 6.03 and New Zealand about 7.93.

New Zealand’s August 2019 residential dwelling consenting / approval rate is therefore some 31.5% higher than Australia’s.
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October 1, 2019 5:24pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … By a country mile … housing affordability has long been THE major public policy issue in New Zealand ( but not in Australia … read IPSOS report below ) … as the IPSOS Issues Monitors REPEATEDLY remind us every 3 months or so…
  
  The IPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor – July 2019
  
  https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-08/6th_ipsos_new_zealand_issues_monitor_released_1_aug_19.pdf
  
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  October 1, 2019 5:27pm
Michael

Another reason to not do business with Huawei.
Trojan Horse?

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14936/huawei-china-trojan-horse
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October 1, 2019 6:24pm
rightoverlabour

This will upset a few… Blatantly copied and pasted from that bastion of Freedom of Speech https://ysb.co.nz/have-your-say-170/#comments

For all those interested in the Climate Change issue here is a good site. These Irish guys (father and son scientists) have done some amazing work and concluded it is a load of rubbish. Lots of reading both in layman’s language and heavy physics. If you are like me and the physics is too heavy for you, the layman’s stuff gives a really good understanding of their work. It is worth reading the About Us page to see that these guys are not straight academics and all their research is self funded.

https://globalwarmingsolved.com/start-here/
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October 1, 2019 7:07pm
RW Capitalist

I can’t resist it, 2 years and now I get to say
“I told ya so”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116228013/mars-proposes-whanganui-factory-closure-putting-152-jobs-on-the-line
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116128275/fonterra-to-close-final-link-to-globallyknown-cheese-brand-on-kpiti-coast?rm=a
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/115678601/fonterra-to-shed-large-number-of-jobs-to-balance-books?rm=m
any wonder
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/10/01/838274/business-confidence-at-lowest-level
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October 1, 2019 7:11pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  To be fair Fonterra’s problems should be laid at the door of its management not the government.
  
  Kapiti cheeses? Did well before the massive growth in competition, moderately good cheese that seemed better because of the paucity of decent alternatives. Again probably not much to do with the government.
  
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  October 1, 2019 8:11pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    These are but a few, easy to find examples.
    There are literally 1000’s more.
    In just one year, I have had about $200k of quotes stopped, due to MASSIVE down turn in expected/ cancelled orders of my clients. Making the tech that I would have supplied, affordable. Even though the cost benefit ratio was still good, the initial income could not be sustained due to the order cancellation.
    So the prospective expansion, was cancelled.
    
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    October 2, 2019 8:07am
- Inandout
  
  RW, our companies flee to Asia and in the US their companies are tending to return home. This company will spend big bucks on shipping the stuff back to NZ.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:19am
Captain Mainwaring

Bloody good response I say.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12272729
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October 1, 2019 9:32pm
- chaos
  
  Childish and pathetic reply to someone asking a genuine question.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:36pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sorry govege if I offended you.
  
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  October 1, 2019 9:44pm
- Inandout
  
  Why don’t vegans have their own restaurants, like other weird food faddists have their own cafes?
  
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