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igm

Obviously our Treaty settlements are insufficient!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/118305471/high-court-dismisses-former-cops-appeal-of-minimum-sentence
When will this self-entitlement ever cease?
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December 19, 2019 9:46am
- Tall Man
  
  A significant amount of those settlements finds it’s way into the corrupt elites and those who see themselves as elite, he’s just cutting out the middleman.
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:45pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    govt should juut cut out the middle man and just send the TOW settlement money to Mercedes, BMW and Audi.
    
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    December 19, 2019 8:30pm
- pdm
  
  About to really ramp up once Grunter pays off Fletchers at Ihumātao.
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:58pm
Tony Stuart

Despite Bunnings Wellington Central having run out of whitewash yesterday, it seems th accusations against a Labour Party staffer are not going to go away:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/18-12-2019/worst-nightmare-labour-staffer-complainants-respond-to-dew-report/
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December 19, 2019 9:51am
- kevn
  
  @Tony… What a miserable outcome.
  No shame just tilty heads.
  The pile of sh*t under the carpet is huge now.
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:03am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Dew had no power to confront the alleged offender. This is properly a matter that the Police should have been involved in.
  The PM has done a disservice to the complainants, herself and the nation.
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:04am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  Tony Stuart, I think with the silly season in full swing and holidays looming the public at large have other things on their minds !
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Cynical timing, eh stephie. Release the report at a time when it couldn’t be scrutinised in the House, and when the Press Gallery was preparing for its annual knees-up.
    
    Then again, this government does cynical way better than most…
    
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    December 19, 2019 11:23am
- alex Masterley
  
  It’s going to be one of those festering sores that keep on keeping on.
  Oh Dear how sad.
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:36am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed; it’s going to fester right on into election year, and it couldn’t be festering for as more deserving outfit.
    
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    December 19, 2019 11:24am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    complainants will be paid off in some manner – probably with attractive public sector job offers (taxpayer funded hush-money).
    
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    December 19, 2019 8:32pm
Captain Mainwaring

Good that KB is here – did the Batmobile have a flat battery?
So the internal Labour enquiry into the sex harassment case resulted in a ‘nothing to see here’. How predictable.
The victims will be far from happy and this could drag on to the detriment of the PTPM.
Add this to the exoneration of the youth camp offender by the judge who was ‘call me Sir’ Cullen’s brother in law and you get to understand that we’re being governed by a pack of corrupt mongrels.
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December 19, 2019 9:53am
- MH
  
  when will a victim go to Police-put up or shut up. I couldn’t give a damn for the QC’s meaningless report.
  
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  December 19, 2019 2:39pm
Hugh Pavletich

UNITED STATES … Farming financial stress …h/t Interest Co NZ 90@9 today …

Farm Bankruptcies Rise Again … fb org

https://www.fb.org/market-intel/farm-bankruptcies-rise-again

… Important Wall Street Journal report from September last year …

Struggling U.S. Farmers Worry About a Resurgent Russia – WSJ (behind paywall now … not at time of publication)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grain-is-our-oil-russia-is-besting-the-u-s-as-a-wheat-powerhouse-1537719747

Russian wheat exports are booming despite a crushing price slump, as the country’s farmers finally emerge from decades of neglect … read more via hyperlink above …
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December 19, 2019 9:58am
mikenmildagain

On this day, 1941:
HMS Neptune hit a mine and sank in the Meditarranean. struck enemy mines and sank off Libya. Only one crew member survived. Of the 764 dead, 150 were New Zealanders.
Neptune had been planned to serve alongside Achilles and Leander.
As part of Force K at Malta, Leander sailed to intercept an Italian convoy, but sailed into a uncharted minefield. Neptune triggered a mine, then exploded two more as it reversed to get clear. Neptune then hit another mine and sank within minutes.
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December 19, 2019 10:02am
- skyblue
  
  A lot of sinkings in the Med in WW2. HMS Barham, a battleship was spectacular, 25 Nov 1941. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdrISbwy_zI
  A mighty explosion.
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:40am
Maggy Wassilieff

Now how could Lianne Dalziel forget the names of these folks who helped fund her campaign?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/118305313/christchurch-mayor-lianne-dalziel-reveals-more-donors-at-fundraising-dinner
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December 19, 2019 10:04am
- marcw
  
  Shouldn’t someone be making a law Society complaint regarding the “advice” that a certain involved lawyer has given Dalziel? She has confirmed that the “advice” was given, and also that that “advice” was wrong – this is her excuse for filing a false electoral declaration. No lawyer should get away with such shonkey behaviour in my opinion.
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:43am
- Tall Man
  
  Well I guess there’s at least one labour liar happy to take overseas Chinese money.
  
  Does the proposed new law impact local body candidates?
  
  Perhaps she’s not quite on the same page as the rest of her labour bludgers………….
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:52am
  - cmm
    
    It does not matter if you were given legal advice and it was wrong. That does not get you off the hook for offending.
    
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    December 19, 2019 11:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      Exactly the same as incorrect tax advice from your accountant. It’s your balls in the vice.
      
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      December 19, 2019 11:32am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Follow – up in todays The Press …
        
        Christchurch mayor ‘regrets’ not taking independent advice over election expenses … Cate Broughton and Michael Hayward … The Press
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/118322330/christchurch-mayor-regrets-not-taking-independent-advice-over-election-expenses
        
        Christchurch mayor Lianne Dalziel says she regrets not taking independent advice on her election return, but laughed off suggestions of an inquiry.
        
        Dalziel updated her election return on Wednesday with the names of six donors who made contributions over $1500 at a dinner and auction event in July.
        
        She said on Thursday she took husband Rob Davidson’s advice on what she was required to declare. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 19, 2019 11:52am
      - cmm
        
        “She said on Thursday she took husband Rob Davidson’s advice…”
        
        I wonder whether the question posed was:
        
        A) “Rob, do you think it would be legal and morally right to….”
        -or-
        B) “Rod, do you think I could get away with…”
        
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        December 19, 2019 12:02pm
- Tricati
  
  The woman is a bloody disgrace and the city has gone backwards under her stewardship; yet there are plenty of idiots here that still vote fore her.
  Her and Peoples Choice (Labour aligned party) have done more damage than the bloody earthquakes, and it is ironic we are now seeing financial reports for City Care and Town hall being released post the local body elections – Both reports show total incompetence.
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:13am
  - curry4me
    
    Time to give rate payers, and people whose body corporate pays the rates two ballot papers. And remove competence from local government.
    
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    December 19, 2019 12:00pm
    - sooty
      
      I supose Dalzeal will ask for Nancy Dew to go to CC, now that she’s free!
      
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      December 19, 2019 12:46pm
Akarak

After her latest performance re the Dew report Ardern can best be described as the Walter Mitty of NZ politics. Unreal and unbelievable! If the report supports what she says then why not release it. I still can not understand how you can claim to understand the pressure the claimants and their families were under if you are also stating the report found nothing that would support the claimants allegations. Why does she show no support for the alleged offender? We are only informed that “he resigned”. No doubt he will be talking to a member of the legal fraternity today regarding suitable compensation.
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December 19, 2019 10:06am
Clyde

Anybody that has read this latest thing on Stuff?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/118266516/iwi-gaining-back-authority-across-the-country-one-disaster-at-a-time

Views?
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December 19, 2019 10:07am
- Tall Man
  
  Don’t bother going to stuff, they are about as relevant to the truth as ardern…
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:28am
- greybeard
  
  2nd article on this theme from the same writer, in the last week or so.
  Looks like a campaign of some sort, with the blessing of Stuff. And no chance of commenting by readers.
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  the final paragraphs…
  
  When translated, tikanga can mean the correct procedure. It’s correcting how we do things in Aotearoa.
  
  It’s browning us all up in a sense, so we’re no longer pale reflections of our British colonial past.
  
  I’m pretty sure it’s the Gizzy sun browning hubby up…
  I think my skin needs more than a bucket of tikanga painted over it to change to a slightly darker hue.
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:59am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  The author’s claims are at least partly true: Maori cultural practices have become more influential, specialist local biological knowledge is sometimes informative and useful, Maori organisations with physical and human resources are useful in disasters.
  
  However, a claim such as Maori knowledge has equal status to science is just laughable. Science is a huge international project which has made huge advances in understanding of the natural world. So long as Maori knowledge is local and practice is entangled with various spiritual beliefs, the knowledge is scientifically limited and the beliefs are irrelevant and alienating to those who don’t share those superstitions.
  
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  December 19, 2019 1:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    However, a claim such as Maori knowledge has equal status to science is just laughable.
    
    Have a look at the latest issue of the NZ Journal of Ecology
    https://newzealandecology.org/nzje/j43_3
    
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    December 19, 2019 1:53pm
    - Jack5
      
      I think dual-language use is fine for those who want it. If you want to write in Maori or talk in Maori do so. But with dwindling prospects of saving Maori as a well used language, the push is to Maorify New Zealand’s version of English by filling it with Maori terms. This is political, and it’s wrong.
      
      Similarly, in universities. NZ set up wananga for Maori tertiary studies, but Maori has also surged into our universities, which are essentially Western knowledge systems. It’s a case of what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is half-mine.
      
      Otago has a Maori committee at Otago that approves science projects. At Canterbury you can take a Ph.D. in Maori studies or a unit in kapa haka (but not Western dance).
      
      I blame MMP for this Woke surge. MMP’s coalition system has given extraordinary power to minorities, and barely anyone criticises Maorification. To be fair similar pushes for more recognition of primitive indigenous traditions are occurring in Australia and Canada.
      
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      December 19, 2019 8:38pm
Fletch

Rep. Chris Stewart sums up the impeachment perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F_dGKhPYd8
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December 19, 2019 10:08am
Stephieboy2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
RNZ on The Detail talks about the antics of Trump supporters some of whom attempted to hide and censor Commander in Cheat : How golf explains Trump by Rick Reilly .

“..Commander in Cheat’ by Rick Reilly is a series of funny and serious anecdotes about the way Trump lies about his score, his handicap, and how many tournaments he’s won – but also his refusal to pay painters, architects and cabinet makers.

The way he behaves in golf is like the way he behaves as the leader of the free world, says Reilly.
The book is peppered with quotes like, “he cheats like a mafia accountant” and “golf is like bicycle shorts, it reveals a lot about a guy”.

“I’ve known the guy for 35 years,’ says Reilly, a former Sports Illustrated columnist.

“He’s always been a big full-of-it fat liar. But it’s been fun copy. If you’re a sports writer you send a limousine to get Donald Trump to an event because he’ll say anything.…”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018727472/how-attempted-censorship-by-trump-troops-backfired

The book available here ( e book also so its never too late counting down to Christmas ) to put under the tree!

Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump

https://www.amazon.com/Commander-Cheat-Golf-Explains-Trump/dp/0316528080
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December 19, 2019 10:10am
The King

England:

A police officer celebrated as a diversity recruitment drive by the BBC seen here..

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36248445

Has now been charged with 15 other muslims in another child grooming rape gang …

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-50838823
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December 19, 2019 10:11am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  So, what’s your point? That non-whites are bad people?
  
  Bugger me, you spout some racist dribble.
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    Seriously simon, you love those dead rats don’t you.
    
    He’s a kiddy fiddler and rape enabler and the best idea you have is to call the person who pointed it out a racist…….
    
    WTF is wrong with you?
    
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    December 19, 2019 12:43pm
  - The King
    
    Why you shoot the messenger?
    
    What are you some kind of Diversity Supremacist?
    
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    December 19, 2019 12:45pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Nothing to do with race, everything to do with Islam and it’s ugly promotion of violence, abuse and misogyny and dehumanising of infidels. A tight-knit religious community that sanctions abhorrent behaviour.
    
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    December 19, 2019 12:59pm
    - The King
      
      Nope, it’s 100% racial…
      
      “I’m a Rotherham grooming gang survivor. I call myself a survivor because I’m still alive. I’m part of the UK’s largest ever child sexual abuse investigation.
      
      As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white c***” as they beat me.”
      
      https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html
      
      “The view of some Islamic preachers towards white women can be appalling. They encourage their followers to believe that these women are habitually promiscuous, decadent, and sleazy — sins which are made all the worse by the fact that they are kaffurs or non-believers.
      
      “Their dress code, from miniskirts to sleeveless tops, is deemed to reflect their impure and immoral outlook. According to this mentality, these white women deserve to be punished for their behaviour by being exploited and degraded.”
      
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10061217/Imams-promote-grooming-rings-Muslim-leader-claims.html
      
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      December 19, 2019 2:51pm
  - suzieq
    
    Drivel …
    
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    December 19, 2019 2:48pm
  - mandk
    
    I don’t often agree with The King, but he is correct on this.
    
    For many years, in many of England’s towns and cities, organised networks of men have been grooming young, white girls, often drugging them and almost always raping them.
    
    What do the men in these gangs have in common?
    
    They are not non-religious, they are not Christian, they are not Jewish, they are not Hindu, they are not Buddhist. Almost without exception, they are Moslems.
    
    And they do it without the slightest compunction because their disgusting religion encourages them to believe that white women are trash.
    
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    December 19, 2019 3:13pm
  - rangitoto
    
    I’m pretty sure that Islam is not a race.
    
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    December 19, 2019 5:29pm
- Jules99
  
  Diversity is our strength – oops. Maybe promote and hire on ability rather than race next time.
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:51am
- The King
  
  Update:
  
  He was police “employee of the year” hahahaha
  
  Good thread on this here..
  
  https://twitter.com/dailydigger19/status/1207470510117982208
  
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  December 19, 2019 5:00pm
JibberJabber

https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1206588735283965960/photo/1
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December 19, 2019 10:14am
Captain Mainwaring

Did anyone else notice how haggard the PTPM looked on the news last night?
Looks as if a meltdown is imminent. Maybe that story about an impending eight week holiday is true.
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December 19, 2019 10:15am
- Tall Man
  
  What story?
  
  The one that said she was knackered and needed an $80k holiday on the tax payer plus her airfares to her fav places?
  
  I wonder how many young working mothers will now vote for this parody of a pm…..
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:23am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  If she has a melt down does that make Winnie or Davis the new PM??
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:27am
- Bill felt
  
  The problem that Ardern has is that here is no second in command. Winston does not report to her, he reports to himself. Kelvin Davis? ha! The guy has spent all year trying not to be noticed. The whole Labour and COL Govt hangs on the princess (who is hopelessly out of her depth). Yes she has been propped up by parties behind the scenes, but the political front is carried soley by her. She has the weight of success or failure on her shoulders, and only her shoulders.
  
  Take John Key or Bill English – they had very capable people in Joyce, Bennett, Brownlee, even Bridges who could step in and take charge of an issue. Not that either Key nor English needed assistance as they were very capable managers and leaders.
  
  Ardern is simply not a manager, not a leader, she takes on the wrong issues, she takes some matters too much at heart, and she is paying the price for it in her failing physical and mental health.
  
  She needs a holiday, because next year she and her Govt need to front up and demonstrate that they are more than just student politicians!
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:38am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Very well said Bill. I live in hope that 2020 will be the year that the voting public finally gets the message that another 3 years of this rabble will destroy our country.
    
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    December 19, 2019 11:51am
    - sooty
      
      That’s why Labour have sent her on the 8wk holiday. To prevent a meltdown leading into an election!
      No Cindy. No Labour!
      
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      December 19, 2019 12:50pm
- marcw
  
  Wouldn’t we all like an eight week holiday, and be paid $80,000 of OPM for the privilege? The plebs have to settle for 4 weeks.
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:45am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  Well cabinet meets on 28 January so 8 weeks holiday seems unlikely.
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:46am
  - cmm
    
    Sicky?
    
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    December 19, 2019 11:29am
    - Tall Man
      
      Sickies……
      
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      December 19, 2019 11:31am
- cmm
  
  If nothing else, she has certainly set up a record for time off that will be hard to beat.
  
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  December 19, 2019 10:48am
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    Do you mean time on holiday, or do you mean time on overseas trips? AFAIK, she had a holiday back in July with her husband and child.
    
    You do realise that it’s part of the PM’s role to promote the country’s interests overseas, and a large part of that is schmoozing with overseas interests?
    
    Or is it only okay if we have a man do it?
    
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    December 19, 2019 11:47am
    - cmm
      
      Parental leave, July holiday, time off in NYC with her self promotion team, now 8 weeks…. so in less than 18 months she has taken off somewhere around 16 weeks or about a week a month. Pretty good gig that!
      
      Most of the schmoozing seems to have been directed at promoting her own interests and profile – not that of the country.
      
      #CinD4UN!
      
      BTW: Not husband but current boyfriend.
      BTW2: The child does not need her she says.
      
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      December 19, 2019 12:10pm
    - Tall Man
      
      A trip to the islands to celebrate her birthday and that of her father.
      
      I wonder what it cost for the Air Force and Navy (NZ Defense Force) to provide the transport.
      
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      December 19, 2019 12:54pm
      - cmm
        
        You add it all up and we’re probably talking 20 weeks.
        
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        December 19, 2019 4:57pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Funny how she hasn’t managed to deliver anything in the year of delivery, perhaps she is starting to realize that being PM is more than just mouthing off for the cameras? Delivering results requires showing up to work.
        
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        December 19, 2019 8:39pm
Maggie Pie

Just back home from shopping at the Remuera Garden Center.
What about this as a Xmas gift “FOR THE MAN WHO HAS EVERYTHING” 😛

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMEeMQMWsAA5tmW?format=jpg&name=small
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December 19, 2019 10:24am
- Tall Man
  
  No offense but I can’t really see sales of steffy’s toy boy taking off.
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:29am
- cmm
  
  Krispy Cremes with antibiotic icing?
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:11pm
  - Tall Man
    
    No silly, “Xenical” icing… just watch out for the anal leakage.
    
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    December 19, 2019 12:40pm
- Bill felt
  
  Q: A Xmas gift “FOR THE MAN WHO HAS EVERYTHING”
  
  Answer: antibiotics!
  
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  December 19, 2019 1:46pm
Stephieboy2

Introducing Anthony Watts climate denier and misinformer

Recently I described his name as Anthony “Powell” ( a John Key type of brain fade ).

Sorry!

Watts is think a metrologist of sorts whose alma mater was Purdue University ( failed to graduate)

Also closely associated with the Climate Change denying HeartLand Institute ( speaks volumes ),

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)

Also,more about his misinformation on climate change,

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts
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December 19, 2019 10:25am
- alloytoo
  
  You appear to have a crush on Anthony, it’s kinda creepy.
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Introducing Anthony Watts:
  
  I know some were concerned because I haven’t been posting much in the way of updates on WUWT. The reason for that is simple, I was busy in my job as a member of the media. I spent Thursday doing special reports for local radio station KPAY about weather and wind conditions, and I spent the night on the front-line of the fire as it threatened Chico, sending in reports, photos, and forecasts based on what I observed.
  
  on volunteer Fire Warning duty, Paradise, California
  November 2018
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/11/my-status-and-the-status-of-wuwt/
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:09pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Also did not gradute from his alma mater Purdue University.
    
    Carry on…
    
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    December 19, 2019 2:53pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      So, Anthony Watts, the owner of a successful and popular blogsite did not graduate University.
      
      Now, I wonder if any of us here on Kiwiblog know of other successful blog owners who did not graduate?
      
      Perhaps you’d like to explain to us stephieboy why it is so important to Graduate from University and how that affects your ability to run a blogsite.
      
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      December 19, 2019 4:17pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        But your alma mater, in contrast, is very important?
        
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        December 19, 2019 4:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        What has this got to do with the universities I attended, stephieboy?
        
        You wouldn’t just be trolling/hassling me again, would you?
        
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        December 19, 2019 5:46pm
- The King
  
  Ah seeking out the heretics to your climate religion i see.
  
  Is he to burn at the stake? how dare he not have the same opinion as you!
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:48pm
- theoldbloke
  
  You do realise that Wikipedia is not an authority and ANYONE can add amendments.
  
  It appears that anyone who challenges the religion of Climate Change hysteria has their wiki bombarded with Wiki changes to change the reality to something the hysterical like.
  
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  December 19, 2019 1:02pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Wikipedia is an interesting place. Information is contestable and there are policies and rules in place about sourcing and argument. Over time, the site has become gradually more encyclopedic. For very many subjects, Wikipedia should be the first point of reference for basic information, and is usually a good source of link and references for further study.
    But I’d welcome your comment as to what you consider to be authoritative sources of informatoin on climate change.
    
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    December 19, 2019 2:16pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Ones who don’t get paid to sell a line. Retired scientists and mathematicians who aren’t getting paid for their involvement.
      Priests who rely on the collection plate don’t trash talk God
      
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      December 19, 2019 8:42pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  His site has a vary wide range of items of both flavours.
  
  What are you going to do if the real climate crisis is not having the ability to deal with with world getting cooler? The UN models are pathetic and there’s been no actual warming over the past 20 years.
  Taking a stand doesn’t mean not coming a cropper–you need to keep both eyes open to live readily.
  
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  December 19, 2019 1:51pm
  - alloytoo
    
    The very obvious answer here is nuclear power.
    
    With energy you can power desalination plants for the desert or solar lamps for the colder climbs.
    
    Naturally it’s being ignored or rejected in this “Crisis”
    
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    December 19, 2019 2:45pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Kev: there has been warming, just not that much. Oceans (the key measure) are warming at about 0.1-0.2°C per century, troposphere (lower atmosphere) warming at about 1.3°C per century according to global satellite measures – that don’t have all the siting issues of thermometers. The ~15year halt in troposheric warming ended a couple of years back, but the ocean kept warming throughout that period.
    https://www.thegwpf.com/ocean-temperatures-warming-statistically-significant/
    
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    December 19, 2019 2:52pm
    - cmm
      
      “according to global satellite measures”
      
      Satellite measurements are meaningless until they’ve been making them for at leas t 30 years. So far they’ve been doing them for less than 10 years with the sort of accuracy you’re talking about.
      
      Until satellites have been used to measure at least 3 or so whole sunspot cycles (11 years each) their data is incomplete.
      
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      December 19, 2019 6:04pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        The satellite temperature record goes back 41 years. It’s the best temperature record we have given all the fudging and slow UHI and land use changes that screw up thermometers (plus massive extrapolation)
        
        Argo sea temperatures go back about 16 years, but are high resolution and accuracy – started at 700m depth (15% ocean volume), now 2000m (~40% ocean volume) and in next few years will probably go to 6000m (>90% ocean volume)
        
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        December 19, 2019 8:48pm
Scott

Some very interesting comments about the rescue attempts at White Island. The author claims that the police refused to go in and rescue and the first responders were ordinary citizens who took action and rescued people.
That the police when they did arrive on the scene used their authority to stop any further rescue attempts from being made.

If this is true we must ask ourselves the following questions. Are we on our own in case of disaster and should we organise alternative arrangements? Maybe family and friends organised to do something if disaster strikes?

Secondly what the heck do we pay the police for?

Thirdly – can we get rid of bureaucratic inertia and an obsession with health and safety? Rescue at times of disaster is a hazardous activity. What is the use of police officers who won’t help in times of crisis, when you really need them?

https://envirowatchrangitikei.wordpress.com/2019/12/18/its-been-revealed-that-when-white-island-emergency-calls-began-police-rescue-services-decided-not-to-go-the-first-responders-were-nz-citizens/
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December 19, 2019 10:28am
- Jules99
  
  ‘Are we on our own in case of disaster and should we organise alternative arrangements?’
  
  I think we should always assume that we are, especially if the first responders themselves have people to look after first. No criticism intended there. Just get in and do what you have to do.
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you check your local Civil Defence information, you will see that we are all advised in the event of a disaster to be prepared to cope on our own for a period of 3 days or more:
  
  From the Tairawhiti site:
  Being prepared for a disaster
  It’s important that you’re prepared for a disaster. Get ready now so that you’re better prepared to cope on your own for up to 3 days or more.
  
  As a minimum, everyone needs:
  
  ♦ enough food in your home to last 2-3 days.
  ♦ know where to get water, if your usual supply is not available.
  ♦ alternative lighting – a torch with spare batteries or a wind up one, gas lantern or light-sticks.
  ♦ a battery operated or wind up radio and spare batteries – don’t forget your car radio as a last resort.
  ♦ a first-aid kit, make sure you have essential medications.
  ♦ blankets, survival blankets or warm waterproof clothing.
  ♦ alternative cooking methods – BBQ or gas cooker.
  ♦ to store important family documents where you can get them easily
  ♦ an emergency plan – where to meet family and how to contact one another if separated.
  http://www.gdc.govt.nz/civil-defence/
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And most importantly, flexibility… so you bend over enough to kiss your arse goodbye because the local Police will ensure that no one risks injury to come and rescue you.
    
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    December 19, 2019 12:37pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It wasn’t unreasonable for the Police to put their hands up. They can’t authorise citizens to take hazardous risks. Hot sulphuric acid is an awful substance. If someone got damaged because they had acted on Police say so there could probably be legal consequences. You can sometimes risk your self but not others.
  It’s not just being brave risking the hazards of Whites Island it’s foolhardy.
  
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  December 19, 2019 2:00pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Awww Kev, I’d come and get you ?️
    
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    December 19, 2019 4:18pm
  - cmm
    
    “They can’t authorise citizens to take hazardous risks.”
    
    No, you’ve got that the wrong way around. They should have no authority to stop people doing things.
    
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    December 19, 2019 6:06pm
JibberJabber

Thomas Sowell
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
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December 19, 2019 10:37am
Tall Man

“slow-moving middle-aged men”

michelle duff’s description of those in “turn ardern”.

What a bitch, throw out a sexist ageist slur to label those that disagree with her sycophantic parody of ardern.
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December 19, 2019 10:49am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  yet here you are calling her a word used to describe a female dog.
  
  Hypocrite.
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope, it’s an accurate description I think.
    
    I could provide more if you want….
    
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    December 19, 2019 12:35pm
  - The King
    
    Where the hell did this boomer come from, calling people “racist” and getting offended by everything.
    
    Take a walk outside, lay off teh interwebs get some sun.
    
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    December 19, 2019 12:55pm
  - Garbageman
    
    Simon Gotlieb
    @simongotlieb
    ·Dec 12
    Replying to
    @simonjbridges
    Just wrong. Again. You’re an idiot Simon.
    You seem to have a bit of a habit of name calling yourself there Simon there are a few more but i think my point is made
    
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    December 19, 2019 1:38pm
Greg Ettridge

How do you keep a straight face and sack someone and remove them, then find they haven’t done anything that is breaking the law, very difficult I would have thought.
Reality and fiction fused together to create the outcome required.
I hope their are some nice little hugs left for both the aggrieved victims and perp who appears to be wrongly accused and removed.
The super hugger will fix it I am sure.
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December 19, 2019 10:55am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Um, an employer doesn’t have to wait for someone to break the law to justify a sacking.
  
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  December 19, 2019 11:23am
  - cmm
    
    Just like you don’t need to have a report written to know what the result will be…
    
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    December 19, 2019 12:13pm
Tall Man

“perp who appears to be wrongly accused”

That is if you accept the finding that 12 people lied and the one didn’t…………….
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December 19, 2019 11:18am
- chaos
  
  Yeah, but it’s ok, all the rapE sympathisers will be out today. Sand people wonder why victims of sexual abuse, male and female often don’t report it
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:00pm
Fletch

Oh, and it’s not the hottest day in Australia the other day. Days in the 1930s and early 1900s were hotter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxJTZvRl13Q
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December 19, 2019 11:46am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Is this the same Tony Heller aka Steve Goddard ?
  
  https://www.desmogblog.com/steven-goddard
  
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  December 19, 2019 2:57pm
curry4me

More Spygate news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgPZ59xs138
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December 19, 2019 11:53am
curry4me

NPC University, taxes with Liz Warren.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co4kQXQNA4Y
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December 19, 2019 11:54am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Epoch Times staunch Trump supporter with Fulon Gong connections,
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times
  
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  December 19, 2019 3:03pm
curry4me

Can UK Labour survive?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p37VxKsD7bQ

I think the Brexit party should change it’s name to the Reform Party. There are local elections coming up. They should be able to mop up some of the Tories soft support.
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December 19, 2019 11:56am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Yes it can but only if it returns to the middle ground of centre left politics as per Tony Blair.
  
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  December 19, 2019 3:08pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What? I find myself agreeing with Stephie.
    
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    December 19, 2019 3:59pm
Swifty

Morricone – The Ecstasy of Gold – Theremin and voice:

https://youtu.be/ajM4vYCZMZk?t=81
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December 19, 2019 11:58am
Maggie Pie

Holding STEADFAST ?
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December 19, 2019 12:04pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Woopsie!
  Looks like I obviously misheard the name on ‘ZB News’ at noon 😀
  
  [This tweet from the NZH has it as…. ‘Standfast’]
  
  https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1207414943093547009
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:35pm
Fletch

Z petrol stations seem to be promoting a new app called ‘Sharetank’. I’m not sure exactly how it works, but it’s something like you can search for the cheapest fuel within a 30km radius and pre-buy fuel to use later while it’s at a good price. I think you can share it with people, too.

https://www.sharetank.co.nz/
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December 19, 2019 12:05pm
Tauhei Notts

The news is all about the impending impeachment of The Donald.
Meanwhile the bookies are shortening Trump’s odds.
When will the Democrats finally realise that they are campaigning harder for Trump than any of Trump’s advertising executives are.
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December 19, 2019 12:28pm
- Batman
  
  If the bookies were right every time, nobody would bother betting…
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    This isn’t gambling Batman, it’s donating 😉
    
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    December 19, 2019 12:51pm
- Fletch
  
  Louie Gohmert had had enough –
  
  https://www.facebook.com/TheBlaze/videos/vb.140738092630206/445025149776549/?type=2&theater
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:49pm
cmm

If you had a hard time getting up this morning, consider what some have to put up with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0112WbbfLBM
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December 19, 2019 12:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  It’s a fucking disgrace.
  
  I can see that coming to a town near us all as the police refocus on speed and revenue gathering.
  
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  December 19, 2019 12:50pm
RRM

THERE ARE NON-SCIENTIFIC CONSIDERATIONS

From the very top:

Miss_OGinny
GE rye grass that reduces bovine CH4 emissions by at least 20%. When?

MinJamesShawMin for Climate Change / Min of Statistics
Actually, the GE rye grass field tests are showing that lab results aren’t translating through. But that’s not the point. There are non-scientific considerations we have to take into account when we’re mulling the use of GE (or other technologies). A large part of the value in our agricultural products is the consumer perception that it comes from ‘100% Pure NZ’; and consumers wrap being GE-free in with that clean, green brand. We run the risk of devaluing the very product we’re trying to support if we introduce GE. And there are loads of things we can do to reduce animal emissions already, without running that risk. I would just say that it’s worth the debate, but we need to tread very carefully.

Miss_OGinny
Thanks!

It just seems to undermine the assertion of a “climate emergency” when it’s apparently not enough of an emergency to forgo the G.E. ban.

And we are forever hearing about how “The science is settled” on AGW, so to now read “there are non-scientific considerations” is a cause of some consternation…. are we just cherry-picking the results of settled science when it tells us what we want to hear now?

https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/ea9xei/ama_on_all_things_climate_12_to_1pm_thursday_19th/
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December 19, 2019 12:56pm
- SPC
  
  We promote our product as grass fed. If that becomes GE grass fed what impact does that have?
  
  Are Greens supposed to require of farmers something that undermines their market – what if lower stock numbers on natural grass feed works better for farmers? Should they have no choice?
  
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  December 19, 2019 2:29pm
- cmm
  
  If “nice guy” SHaw is involved any science is well dead.
  
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  December 19, 2019 4:10pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    cmm, on your say so?
    
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    December 19, 2019 4:57pm
Hugh Pavletich

New Zealand Infrastructure Funding & Financing Bill …

Councils to have less reason to say ‘no’ to new housing … COMMENT Dr Eric Crampton … Newsroom

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/12/19/952155/councils-to-have-less-reason-to-say-no-to-new-housing#

A bill quietly introduced to Parliament last week is a linchpin of Phil Twyford’s vision for better-functioning housing markets, writes Eric Crampton.

Last week, Labour finally began delivering on its urban growth agenda. Housing affordability was one of the two main themes of the 2017 election. Restrictions preventing cities from either growing up or growing out made for serious problems when population growth increased demand for housing. Getting the infrastructure in place to allow for urban growth is absolutely vital. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Infrastructure Funding and Financing Bill – Hon Phil Twyford – New Zealand Parliament

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-proposed-laws/document/BILL_93461/infrastructure-funding-and-financing-bill

The single broad policy of this omnibus bill is to provide a funding and financing model to support the provision of infrastructure for housing and urban development that supports functioning urban land markets and reduces the impact of local authority financing and funding constraints. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Essential viewing …

Infrastructure Funding and Financing Bill – Hon Phil Twyford – First Reading – Video 1

https://vimeo.com/379923683
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December 19, 2019 1:30pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Hugh:
  
  … Essential viewing …
  
  Watching a first reading speech from Phil “Kiwibuild” Twyford is essential viewing? You need to get out more!
  
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  December 19, 2019 2:07pm
Cobolt24

Trump impeached by the house. Senate trial in January unlikely to lead to anything.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/trump-impeached-house-abuse-power-n1104196

Trump live at a rally currently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFZfSLiT-Zw
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December 19, 2019 2:33pm
- rangitoto
  
  “Trump impeached by ~~the house~~ Democrat Party.”
  
  Fixed.
  
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  December 19, 2019 3:00pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Ho hum !And just below there is a really nice mural of the Koromiko ( Bell Bird )!
  
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  December 19, 2019 3:10pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Koromiko ( Bell Bird )
    
    Perhaps if you knew anything about plants (or Te reo) stephieboy, you would know that a koromiko is a native shrub of the Veronica genus.(formerly Hebe).
    
    Our native bellbird goes by the name korimako in Te Reo.
    
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    December 19, 2019 9:15pm
- The King
  
  This time for sure, more than all the other times orange man is done!
  
  hahaha
  
  Democracy is obviously the worst form of government ever invented, they knew this 2000 years ago,even Churchill knew it. But it sure is funny.
  
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  December 19, 2019 3:25pm
Happychappy

After the blatant lies and deceit over the tunnel saga in Wellington, Phil Twyford and Julie Anne Genter the Government aims for a 40% reduction in deaths,serious injuries by 2030. The Government is committing to increase road safety funding by 25% to 1billion a year over the next decade.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/government-aims-40-per-cent-reduction-in-road-deaths-serious-injuries-2030
They promised zero road fatalities in 2017 when elected after nine years in the wilderness and got that horrible wrong and lied with deciet over the tunnel in Wellington so why would you believe what they have to say now.
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December 19, 2019 3:39pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  They can do it. Just keep reducing the speed limit until all crashes result in nothing more than a couple of broken headlights.
  Why bother building safe dual-carriageway roads.
  
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  December 19, 2019 4:02pm
- cmm
  
  So they aim for a 40% when they will no longer be in power and someone else has to deliver.
  
  Goals for others, just not us!
  
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  December 19, 2019 4:12pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Aspirations, labour don’t do goals and, when they do an own one, they lie and get their patsy QC report to exonerate them.
    
    WORST GOVERNMENT EVER,
    
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    December 19, 2019 5:56pm
DigNap15

All of those 4 impeachments were not really serious offenses in my humble opinion

Ardern has done far more worse things.
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December 19, 2019 3:55pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Such as ?
  
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  December 19, 2019 4:29pm
  - DigNap15
    
    promising the most open and transparent goverment
    Closing down one of our biggest industries by imperial witches decree, without going to parliament
    Plus about 50 other well known lies.
    
    And the worst offence
    Taking away my plastic bags and plastic straws.
    
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    December 19, 2019 10:41pm
cmm

Yet another “promising young person” – not even a wet bus ticket

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12295425

“A promising young harness racing driver says he took illegal party drugs to keep up with the daily grind of racing and travel around the country.”
How about a cup of coffee?

“”This is his life, his passion.”, but it seems it is also a “daily grind”. How can something be both a passion and a daily grind?

And he supplied to others….

Perhaps we waste our time having a police force and judges etc.
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December 19, 2019 4:45pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  27 years old….”a naive young man” !!
  
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  December 19, 2019 4:50pm
  - cmm
    
    I’ll go for a naive doddering judge.
    
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    December 19, 2019 4:56pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Last year he was up on a fraud charge….
      wonder where that went
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12119831
      
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      December 19, 2019 4:59pm
chaos

*Teenage environmental activist Greta Thunberg is the subject of a forthcoming documentary film – made by a crew that has followed her since the early days of her school strike. Still believe her rise to fame was an accident?*

https://www.rt.com/news/476133-greta-documentary-rise-to-fame/
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December 19, 2019 4:49pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  chaos , the right word is ” fortutious” I wouldn’t give Putin’s rag the time of day
  
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  December 19, 2019 7:24pm
Prince

Apparently this is a ‘bizarre’ letter.
Looks perfectly reasonable to me.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/chlöe-swarbrick-shares-bizarre-letter-from-angry-baby-boomer/ar-BBY8fyv?ocid=st
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December 19, 2019 5:02pm
- chaos
  
  It’s the age of being professional victims no matter what is said.
  
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  December 19, 2019 5:09pm
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/118333829/government-departments-consultant-spending-increases

Wake up NZ.
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December 19, 2019 5:35pm
Jack5

Michael Reddell disposes of Finance Minister Robertson’s misleading claims about New Zealand’s rate of economic growth – a sample:

“It seems very odd to boast about having the 5th worst per capita GDP growth among the OECD countries (and quite clarifying given the rhetoric the PM and Minister often use claiming New Zealand’s growth record is materially better than that of advanced countries we typically compare ourselves too) …

” … they’ve known the dismal (on official data) per capita picture all along.”

https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/12/18/61487/
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December 19, 2019 6:01pm
Hugh Pavletich

UNITED STATES …

American Suburbs Swell Again as a New Generation Escapes the City … Mansions Global Com
(reprint … originally WSJ … behind paywall)

https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/american-suburbs-swell-again-as-a-new-generation-escapes-the-city-128308

APEX, N.C.—This Raleigh, N.C., suburb was declared the best place to live in America by a national magazine in 2015, around the time Lindsay and Terry Mahaffey were drawn by its schools, affordable housing and quaint downtown. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Housing is the ‘hottest part’ of the US economy as homebuilder confidence hits 20-year high … Yahoo Finance

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/us-housing-market-outlook-homebuilder-sentiment-hits-20-year-high-2019-12?r=US&IR=T

• US homebuilders are the most confident they have been in two decades, new data from the National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo Housing Market Index showed.
• The index jumped five points to 76 in December, the highest point since June 1999.
• Prospective buyer interest and current sales conditions also notched their best scores since the late 1990s.
• The December leap further establishes the housing sector as “the hottest part of the whole economy,” Pantheon Macroeconomics Chief Economist Ian Shepherdson said Monday. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Nationally new lots (sections) median price $49,500 …. National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) reports …

Lot Values Hit Record Highs … Natalia Sineavskaia … U.S National Association of Home Builders

http://eyeonhousing.org/2019/11/lot-values-hit-record-highs/

According to NAHB’s analysis of the Census Bureau’s Survey of Construction (SOC) data, median single-family lot prices outpaced inflation once again (4.4% vs 2.4%) and reached new record high in 2018, with half of the lots selling at or above $49,500. The most dramatic rise in lot values is observed in the West South Central division where median lot values more than doubled since the housing boom years. … read more via hyperlink above
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