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TWEEDSE

Well I must say this whole lock down thing has gone terribly well.

The world has come out the other side self imploding with book burning, “burn the witch” mentality and the decent into anarcho-tyranny.
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June 12, 2020 8:00am
- Critical Thinker
  
  … As was obviously planned ?
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:14am
  - LTA1955
    
    Certainly got the stench of the left all over it
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:12am
    - Critical Thinker
      
      It sure looks like it ?
      
      After Trump’s February State Of The Union Speech, Nancy Pelosi tore up the President’s speech. The last thing Democrats wanted was for America to succeed under President Trump, and they began their scorched earth campaign.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_7KGN2G6gU
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:37am
- Two bob
  
  turns out covid 19 is really just stupidity at its finest.
  the lockdowns world wide gave morons too much time to bounce ideas around their hollow heads.
  Possibly the hand sanitizer overload has also damaged some brains as alot of ideas and actions seem like one would have to be drunk/drugged to think its the slightest bit sane
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:22am
  - Okahu
    
    I see you speak from experience.
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:55pm
- TWEEDSE
  
  I think “descent” would have worked better.
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:33am
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  Britain is a total mess. The problem is principally the cowardly politicians operating in a broken system of so-called democracy.
  
  As a collector of antiquities including ancient coins I am appalled at the attitude of museum officials who are compiling lists of artefacts for destruction.
  
  How is it possible that the destructiveness of ISIS in Syria is adopted by otherwise normal folk in Britain?
  
  I now believe that artefacts are better stolen and in private collections where they are treasured than in the hands of the government and its employees where they will be destroyed.
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:39am
  - TWEEDSE
    
    Good point JA about destructiveness of ISIS in Syria. They were heavily, and rightly, criticised for the destruction by the west. Now we do the same thing.
    
    Your right. Keep historical artefacts in private hands.
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:23am
  - Clyde
    
    Was talking to friends in the UK last night and the country is in a total shambles. Even strong Boris supporters saying he is pathetic. One of the effects of no obvious plain plan is that people are just ignoring everything. Looking at MSM it is clear that there is no obvious clear direction from the Government there.
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:30am
    - stewmar
      
      “Looking at MSM it is clear that there is no obvious clear direction from the Government there“
      
      There isn’t one here for the recovery either. Our plan for lockdown was abysmal. Way too over the top
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:14am
    - Jack5
      
      London police say they will turn out in full riot gear this weekend because the soccer fans are coming to defend historical statues.
      
      Riot gear wasn’t out when the Woke and Black mobs defacing statues last weekend.
      
      Isn’t this all a bit like the of the chaos in Germany in which the Nazis grew?
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:27am
      - IC5000
        
        > because the soccer fans are coming to defend historical statues.
        
        Great, I’m looking forward to Combat18 and the Chelsea Headhunters engaging in cultural self defence actions.
        
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        June 12, 2020 1:36pm
    - Sacha
      
      If people see that things aren’t working, and Government is imposing too many limitations on their lives, they will simply go their own way.
      One of the interesting things I am finding is that people are asking “how did the lockdown go for you?” and I say ” well I live out of town so it didn’t affect me much” and I get a knowing smile and a nod of agreement – from townspeople!
      Which makes me think that the Government and all its alarmists are being dismissed as silly do-gooders who lack common sense.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:12am
  - Ruahine
    
    Reminds me of that other great idea adopted by a Communist. The Cultural Revolution where it was later estimated that China lost well over 50% of their centuries old artifacts as a result of wanton destruction by what was basically a rabble of looters.
    In China it was sanctioned by that dopey fool known as Chairman Mao. In the ‘West’ it is encouraged and contributed to by the society leeches known as Bezos and Zuckerberg.
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:06am
    - Nickc2
      
      George Soros and ANTIFA?
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:38am
  - GazzaW
    
    Kristallnacht bookburning revisited on a grand scale.
    
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    June 12, 2020 2:47pm
- amospicton
  
  “Kindness” everywhere!
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:48am
- tf78
  
  A great Muriel Newman newsletter out today – very revealing about government’s lock down decisions.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:41am
  - BushBaby
    
    So basically Prof Gibson is saying we could have obtained the same outcome under level 2 but with far less economic damage. Which means this story will get no airtime whatsoever.
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:29am
    - Roy
      
      And all the luvvies will dismiss it as 20/20 hindsight
      
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      June 12, 2020 1:51pm
- herb1
  
  I wonder how many of our fellow countrymen, vocal about the removal of all colonial statues , voted for the retention of the colonial emblem on our flag
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:44am
hmmokrightitis

So, Air NZ. Wellington Regional Koru still closed. Stood outside yesterday, working at the now defunct bar. You’ve got a shit load of my and my company money in credit – or I assume so, I can’t see it anywhere. Cindy criticises you. And the new CEO tells us we will see him when it’s appropriate. You know what? It appropriate, now. Right now. I’ve heard nothing from you as a company, and what you are going to do and yet you’ve had months to do so.

Appropriate? Now’s good, but when you’re ready, of course.
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June 12, 2020 8:01am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Hosking had a lengthy interview with Foran this morning, so at least he has made a rare public appearance. He did mention that he has an airline to save, so I guess we can cut him a little slack.
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:10am
  - MCos
    
    Yesterday I read about two guys who owned a seafood restaurant in Thailand. They presold a couple a million dollars worth of vouchers and then the restaurant went bust for reasons I didn’t understand.
    The guys were hauled off to court and are now serving prison sentences of 1200+yrs each. (No mucking round over there).
    ThaiAirways staggers along from year to year and is currently bankrupt. No doubt there are plenty of people with prepaid tickets that are now useless; the same as AirNZ. I wonder what happens if they fold completely?
    
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    June 12, 2020 8:38am
    - JackRabbit
      
      It will be completely propped up and renamed “Aeroflop”. Can’t use “Aeroflot”, the Russians already use that name.
      
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      June 12, 2020 9:38am
      - cmm
        
        Aotearoaflop.
        
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        June 12, 2020 1:09pm
    - projectman
      
      How close is AirNZ to trading while insolvent?
      
      At some point they will have to take up the government’s $900M loan (at usurous interest rate) or raise capital somehow.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:05am
    - Nickc2
      
      How ironic, Cindy destroys Air NZ and Helen Clark destroyed the RNZAF. Communists and UN candidates the pair of them.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:45am
      - IC5000
        
        You ain’t t seen nothing yet. Wait until she liquidates the Kulaks of Taranaki.
        
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        June 12, 2020 1:38pm
- BobbyS
  
  I noticed on Linekin Air NZ handing out blankets to charities & other such noble deeds. It did sit somewhat uncomfortably with me though, that here they were been very charitable, while thousands were been made redundant
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:14am
  - amospicton
    
    Can’t pay staff with blankets…..
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:07am
    - zulumonster
      
      Bet they don’t hand out muskets with those blankets …
      
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      June 12, 2020 9:43am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Err, all of the muskets have been bought back at handsome prices. And the Govt never even fucking owned them in the first place!
        
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        June 12, 2020 4:08pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Christchurch “regional lounge” is a pig pen so no loss but the Wellington regional lounge is nice. I guess they don’t have the volumes to justify keeping two lounges open.
  
  They have handled the credits thing poorly but they have admitted that. I think they will sort it out in the next few weeks. They had better.
  
  I’m not in the camp demanding refunds. Remember they are not even obliged to provide credits. And if they had gone into administration, those “credits” would be gone.
  
  They are not the best airline but they are far from the worst. And for now domestically they are all we’ve got. I’m not flying Jetstar.
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:52am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Go on, where’s your sense of adventure?
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:34am
MT_Tinman

I notice on a local “news” site this morning a headline something like “Woman receives Appalling Racial Abuse at BLM Rally”.

To many, if not most, New Zealanders the whole f@^%ing rally was racial abuse!
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June 12, 2020 8:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think there is a different motivation. If the Cooks reopened, millions of dollars would flood there as we took a winter break. The government wants you to holiday in New Zealand this winter. That is the one and only reason.
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:55am
  - amospicton
    
    Wait for Australia to come to the same conclusion re the Tasman bubble. We stand to gain much more than they do.
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:08am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It is different. There are extensive family and business connections between Australia and NZ. The Cooks is just a place to spend a week in the sun in winter.
      
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      June 12, 2020 9:29am
      - Nickc2
        
        And get ripped off!
        
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        June 12, 2020 11:54am
    - Harriet
      
      NZ is not the Gold Coast in winter time.
      QLD still has the border closed but when it opens…….kiwis will also be ones to go there. It’s just the way it is in winter time in Australia. That’s not to say people won’t go to NZ — just don’t count ALL your chickens before they hatch.
      
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      June 12, 2020 9:29am
    - Two bob
      
      Massive brain drain!! over a dozen of my wife an I friends have organized jobs in various parts of aussie and are just waiting for borders to open.
      alot of kiwis returned from aussie the last few years and LOTS will flee back there in coming months the mass exodus will be enormous.
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:01am
      - IC5000
        
        Good luck with that. When the stimulus ends in sept we is be hiring Australians first.
        
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        June 12, 2020 11:26am
      - Two bob
        
        @Ic5000 wont be hiring aussies for any hard work or thinking type jobs.
        when I done my time there almost every worker in the area was kiwi irish or poms the only aus workers were family.
        my boss told me aussies are notoriously lazy and whinge too much. ironicly thats what kiwi employers think the same about kiwis so go figure.
        
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        June 12, 2020 6:01pm
  - Lance
    
    I assume the direct flights from the USA to Raro will not resume as well or that would make a mockery of isolation?
    
    We used to go to Raro regularly but it was gradually getting worse each time, relatively overcrowded and busy, which it definitively didn’t used to be.
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:20am
  - JackRabbit
    
    No, we are still under house arrest.
    We have our own Berlin Wall, created by two weeks in and two weeks out, and lots of red tape.
    
    https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/31162/why-do-dictators-ban-their-people-from-traveling
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:42am
  - Nickc2
    
    Holiday in NZ Benedict? Get real, the Russians built a wall around half of Germany to keep people from fleeing that part of the country for a better life. Cindy has shut down all entries and exits to/from NZ for an indefinite period (of her choosing). Similar aims?
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:53am
  - Roy
    
    I see Japan is considering opening borders for tourists from 4 countries.
    Yep includes Australia and New Zealand
    
    https://www.pearanderson.com/coronavirus/
    
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    June 12, 2020 2:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Correct. This is how PTPM HELPS NZ businesses.
    Restrictions, restrictions, restrictions.
    Control, control, control.
    Tell me I am wrong
    
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    June 12, 2020 4:11pm
  - Akarak
    
    Jacinda doesn’t want her election winning Tasman Bubble to be usurped by a Pacific Island Bubble.
    End of story.
    
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    June 12, 2020 5:44pm
- igm
  
  Reap what you sow!
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:55am
- Sacha
  
  @ Tinman – Like going to a nudist beach and then complaining about naked bodies . . . . . .
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:16am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Yep.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:51am
emmess

Smoking gun
Project Veritas has just released a video show links between Antifa and Soros, the upper echelons of the Democratic Party and Big Tech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqp7J05HuK4&t=22s
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June 12, 2020 8:03am
- Brian Marshall
  
  The silence in the MSM will be deafening. Project Veritas have been doing great investigative journalism, yet nothing gets reported by the US networks or large daily papers. You have to ask yourself why?
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:24am
  - Michael NZ
    
    I don’t Brian, the big networks are supporters by ignoring it.
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:33am
- tf78
  
  I just watched a video of a guy who went undercover into Anti fa- very interesting.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:46am
- Mike
  
  Project Veritas has a solid track record of complete bullshit.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:29am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Let’s see Mike. They record everything undercover and then don’t cut it out of context. Hmmmm the only Bull shit is not from them.
    
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    June 12, 2020 12:10pm
  - RightNow
    
    Congratulations Mike, you win today’s Pot Kettle Black award.
    
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    June 12, 2020 2:49pm
- Nickc2
  
  TKS emmess. I have been pushing this collusion for some time on this blog. I was even accused of peddling conspiracy theories by a Mod.
  
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  June 12, 2020 12:00pm
  - Batman
    
    That will have been because it is bullshit. No more factual than a Nicky Hager special edition…
    
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    June 12, 2020 12:17pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Evidence Batman?
      
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      June 12, 2020 12:23pm
      - mark15
        
        Not necessary when you control the narrative.
        
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        June 12, 2020 4:22pm
  - emmess
    
    Nickc2, I was always a bit reluctant to bring up Soros’s suggested links to Antifa but now that we have video evidence the gloves are off.
    
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    June 12, 2020 12:51pm
    - Two bob
      
      Would love to know the amount of money soros has spent on efforts to topple trump/ get a win for dnc.
      he just donated 33mil to BLM bet a cent dosent make it to jamal and latiesha living in a slum, Most donations have gone toward legal fees and bail for looters and thugs that got arrested.
      
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      June 12, 2020 6:22pm
niggly

It is interesting when applying the “left-wing handbook” against lefties.

For example, the government’s decision NOT to resume air travel to the covid free Cook Islands … must surely suggest that Labour (and the Greens and NZF) are …. Racist!
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June 12, 2020 8:03am
- fernglas
  
  I assume the real reason the Cooks are taking a back seat to Oz is that the Aussies will spend more here than we spend there, whereas the Cooks are the opposite. It’s a bit callous when they are, to all intents and purposes, New Zealanders themselves.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:03am
  - niggly
    
    Fully agree! Even still the naivety (and stupidity) of the CoL is astounding – resuming air travel will benefit NZ and its workers/companies directly (eg Air NZ and AIA mostly and all the service industries associated with them).
    
    News articles also demonstrated how much $NZ are spent by Cook Islanders eg importing food, products and goods from NZ companies. Presumably these have all dried up/prices increased for the locals due to reduced air freight capacity.
    
    The whole South Pacific is also covid free, so flights should also resume to other Island nations.
    
    (Geo-politically, as these South Pacific Islands’ economies are hurting due to zero tourism income, for some of them it plays into the likes of China’s hands by providing yet more loans as they incur increasing debt).
    
    The staggering lack of awareness of the wider economic + geo-political picture by Labour, the Greens and NZF (who should know better) is somewhat frightening.
    
    In the meantime, NZ’s Pasifika voters should remember it is Labour (and their incompetence) that is not only screwing around with their “homeland” economies, but are also preventing family members re-uniting via two-way travel!
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:35am
    - Scooter
      
      Exactly what Tata Crowcombe of the Rarotonga Beach Resort said in an interview, Cook Island Co’s spend money importing stuff from NZ, which they can’t do as hotels etc are effectively shut down due to no tourism. Not only is this Govt screwing NZers here, doing the same to the Pacific.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:13pm
  - Jack5
    
    Cook Islands? Woke people through Guardian articles are pushing for a name change for the islands. A sample of articles in the Grauniad, as satirists call the newspaper:
    
    Danny Mataroa, chair of the Cook Islands name change committee, has suggested a name that encompasses Christian faith (which arrived after colonialism) and Mori heritage (which predates colonialism).
    
    Our own Stuff reports:
    
    “I am quite happy to look at a traditional name for our country which more reflects the true Polynesian nature of our island nation,” said Cook Islands Deputy Prime Minister, Mark Brown, according to Radio New Zealand.
    
    In a 1999 referendum, Cook Islanders voted to retain their name. The Grauniad reports, however: ” … the yearning for a decolonised identity has not disappeared.”
    
    Presumably when decolonised, and when Whinnie Peters, who throws hundreds of millions at the Pacific, is out to grass, the “Cook Islands” will be off NZ taxpayers’ backs.
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:58am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    We don’t usually come first.
    
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    June 12, 2020 2:05pm
rouppe

Further to the cancel culture, Canterbury museum has shrouded an exhibit that showed pre-colonial Maori life because it is “unhelpful”.

Sometimes history is not rainbows and unicorn farts. Deal with it.
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June 12, 2020 8:09am
- Two bob
  
  seems every “victim group” wants everything removed that either offends them or portrays them as non victims.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:01am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Was there an actual skinning depicted, or a dozen slaves being rounded up?
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:25am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I thought it was because Maori were portrayed as being primitive and there was an objection to them being called stone age or Neanderthal-like,
      
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      June 12, 2020 2:08pm
      - alloytoo
        
        How dare they.
        Neanderthals were sophisticated tool users who survived an ice age before the colonisers arrived.
        
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        June 12, 2020 2:35pm
      - Two bob
        
        early maori would be disgusted in what their ppl have evolved into.
        
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        June 12, 2020 6:24pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Wait until NZ’s victim group comes for your house and bank account Two bob. Oh shit, Cindy’s already got that one in hand. Lay down like a good boy and let them take whatever they want.
    
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    June 12, 2020 12:09pm
- Colville
  
  they didnt show a human thighbone poking out of the fire…so they held back on that topic.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:19am
- Ruahine
  
  I think it was because the people depicted were not wearing any designer gear.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:26am
- tf78
  
  Apparently the Mayor of Gisborne has caved in and won’t allow the Endeavour to be re-erected. This won’t bode well for dear leader if it carries on.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    Dear leader will don a dead bird cape and go rejoice with them. Remember, none of this crap would have happened if Winston hadn’t anointed her as PM and an extremely woke Police Commissioner installed.
    
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    June 12, 2020 12:12pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Where were they all hiding when National was in charge?
      
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      June 12, 2020 2:10pm
- Surely Knott
  
  And here a list of the lucky countries that managed to avoid the dreaded western colonization.
  Saudi Arabia. Iran. Japan. Korea.Thailand. China. Afghanistan. Nepal. Liberia Ethiopia
  
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  June 12, 2020 2:40pm
- hilaryt
  
  As a Cantab I can tell you those well-done dioramas and the ‘Victorian Street’ were the most memorable displays to me as a kid. Without both it’s not Christchurch Museum. It’s a joke.
  
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  June 12, 2020 5:25pm
- Alacrity
  
  Cannabalism and slavery?
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:36pm
Scott

One of the good things about the virus as far as Joe Biden is concerned, is that he is confined to his basement and doesn’t actually have to go out and speak. Because when he does speak he is so bad that it is hilarious.

This is a compilation of Joe Biden speaking entitled “what if ordinary people spoke like Joe Biden?” I offer you this in the spirit of good humour and to brighten up your day. And a reminder that this person could actually be elected to be president of the United States of America.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1259651030465351681
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June 12, 2020 8:10am
- Inandout
  
  Scott, there are some on here who actually believe Biden will beat Trump; unbelievable. I can picture Biden sitting in the Oval Office attended by Jill, and being instructed where to sign documents but warned not to dribble on the papers.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:07am
Suze Wainwright

Happy World Humour, Irony & Ability to Laugh at Yourself Day!
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June 12, 2020 8:11am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Odd that Mike missed this one!
  
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  June 12, 2020 6:51pm
JibberJabber

Chris Penk,
https://www.facebook.com/notes/chris-penk/flattening-the-country-the-real-story-of-labours-lockdown/2565559690212207/
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June 12, 2020 8:11am
- Ruahine
  
  I will buy a copy of Chris Penks book. Hope it gets published soon.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:29am
  - Inandout
    
    Ruahine, get it soon before it is ‘disappeared’.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:09am
BobbyS

https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/1t74/te-rauparaha

I expect the history of this foul, enslaving man, to be fully exposed and any reference to him be removed from Aotearoa’s history

His name shall never be uttered again amongst our midst
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June 12, 2020 8:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I see a bunch of clowns have emerged saying they are going to demolish statues around the country where said statues are of folk they don’t approve of. These people should be dealt to.
  
  Singapore, Malaysia, and Taiwan don’t have a problem with vandalising dead beats. New Zealand does have a problem because we have chosen to tolerate such behaviour. It is that simple.
  
  Long live Taiwan ?
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:58am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    UPDATE:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300033147/hamilton-city-council-to-take-down-captain-hamilton-statue
    
    So instead of dealing to the vandals, the Council itself tears down the statue. WTF? 🙁
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:32am
    - Jack5
      
      The Hamilton statue coming down is of Captain John Fane Charles Hamilton, the commander of HMS Esk, who was killed in the battle of Gate Pa and the person after whom the city was named.
      
      Stand by for a push for renaming the city by its Maori name Kirikiriroa.
      
      Surely it’s enough to have an English-language name, AND a Maori name. But no, the Woke want the Maori version to be used in both languages.
      I wonder whether the blogger Scott Hamilton, who used to frequent Kiwiblog, has had a part in bringing the statue removal movement to NZ. Scott seems to have been the cultural “heavy” in pressure that’s caused a name change of an Akaroa restaurant.
      
      To be consistent, perhaps Scott should change his own name to Scott Kirikiriroa.?
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:18am
      - tf78
        
        Our street used to be English and was changed to a Maori name years ago – I want it changed back to English – suck that!
        
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        June 12, 2020 10:48am
      - Jack5
        
        The Hamilton City Council seems to have deferred to the Mongrel Mob in deciding to remove the statue.
        
        Has Todd Muller an opinion on the statue-felling movement? He’s from Waikato’s adjacent Bay of Plenty.
        
        It’s not only out police who kowtow to gangs.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121802338/man-vows-to-tear-captain-hamilton-statue-down
        
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        June 12, 2020 11:13am
      - Mike
        
        It was a really weird thing to do, putting up that statue only a few years ago. Paid for the Gallagher Group, if I recall correctly.
        Captain Hamilton got him self foolishly killed when storming the impregnable defence of Gate Pa in Tauranga. He had no connection with the city named after him.
        Replacing Maori names with English ‘heroes’ is part of a normal display of colonial power. Restoring Maori names, likewise, is a gesture of decolonisation.
        
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        June 12, 2020 11:39am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Very interesting interview with JC this morning. The ship may have sailed but JC has matured into having the qualities of a very good leader as shown in the interview.
        Hamilton’s were part of my mother’s family and responsible for the invention of the Hamilton Jet I was told by her. John Hamilton was out of depth at Gate Pa where the colonisers were soundly beaten. Defending the pa was Te Moananui (an ancestor of my father) and other tribesmen from Ngati Pukenga, I think they might have enjoyed the irony that the beaten Hamilton had a statue raised in his name.
        Above someone raises the ‘horror’ of Te Rauparaha a warrior famed for being able to kill with his first strike. I know little about him apart from that he was a chief that put his own interests first and terrified those far and wide, and ruthlessness is often admired in warfare or frightening the enemy from afar. No doubt his descendants form part of NZ’s armed forces today as do Te Moanaui’s under the anglicized name Moore.
        JC seems to be of the mind to make sense of these developments with her line as to ‘where will the pigeons sit’ showing the underlying irony of chopping heads of statutes.
        
        Anti-racists should consider pulling down Parliament’s Richard Seddon statue – Collins
        https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/anti-racists-should-consider-pulling-down-parliament-s-richard-seddon-statue-collins/ar-BB15mmDb?ocid=msedgdhp
        
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        June 12, 2020 12:19pm
      - Jack5
        
        Collins would have wanted the Seddon statue pulled down, and quite naturally, because of Seddon’s prejudice and discrimination against Chinese.
        
        Collins’ husband, David Wong-Tung, is Samoan-Chinese.
        
        Labour raised in Parliament Collins’ visit in China to the Oravida company. A Herald report stated that her husband is a director of this firm that it’s involved in milk and scampi (and since then also seems to be into bottled water).
        
        Wong-Tung does not appear to be on the company’s board at present, though Jenny Shipley is.
        
        Links between China and the National Party are many.
        
        Brian McDonald, you say you are related to the Hamiltons who were “responsible for the invention of the Hamilton Jet.”
        
        The South Island farmer, Bill Hamilton (Sir Charles William Feilden Hamilton) didn’t actually invent marine-jet propulsion, but his achievement in developing and commercialising the Italian invention was a greater feat.
        
        The Herald on Collins and Oravida:
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11217337
        
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        June 12, 2020 1:36pm
      - Alacrity
        
        Maori already had a city there, who would have guessed?
        
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        June 13, 2020 12:02am
    - oldfella
      
      Yep, mob rule wins. I threaten you with an illegal act, the police won’t protect you from my threats of violence, you’re forced to bow your head and accept your fate. I win. You lose. Works for me!
      Seems to sum it up at the moment.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:10am
    - projectman
      
      So, in all this, those who might want the statues to stay have no say. What a bunch of sh*ts the likes of the Hamiton City Council are.
      
      It would be good to see, around the country, what the voting was (councillor by councillor) – if they even got to vote on it.
      
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      June 12, 2020 3:54pm
    - chukar
      
      Surely under NZ law the Hamilton council should have consulted on this?
      There should be an immediate legal challenge , or put the matter in the OAGs hands— oops that never works.
      
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      June 12, 2020 5:46pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  He is only one of hundreds, if not thousands of higher ranking Maori who had slaves or others kept for sundry purposes like protein supplies. Even a “useless” Pakeha (one without ability to provide desired wants) had an ultimate use.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:32am
  - JackRabbit
    
    I think the term used was “Good for nothing else”.
    – from “A Pakeha Maori.”
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:48am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Indeed.
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:35am
  - Alacrity
    
    There is a rock on Kapiti called Virgins Rock, where Te Rauparaha raped young girls.
    
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    June 13, 2020 12:04am
- Komata
  
  BobbyS@0812
  
  Sadly, because he wrote ‘Kamate, Kamate etc.’ and is a ‘folk hero’ as a result, you have two shows; both of them zero, so there is no way that he will (can? ) be removed.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:40am
- Komata
  
  BobbyS@0812
  
  While I agree with you, on a national level there’s not a chance, because he wrote ‘Kamate’ , Kamate etc’ and so is a ‘folk hero’ amongst those who have no interest in the guy but see it as both a necessary part of rugby in NZ and part of our ‘National Culture’!!
  
  Sadly, you might just as well try to push water uphill with a rake.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:49am
MCos

Here’s a curious little story from the front lines of the protests in America
Something we would never see in NZ
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/national-guard-protests-viral-video
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June 12, 2020 8:15am
Luke Piewalker

You can feel the anger building in NZ as the layoffs and business closures hit.

Yes Cindy. You did this.
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June 12, 2020 8:16am
Caleb

Stuff was sold for 1 dollar, lol.
But upon reflection.. what a small price to pay for such an effective propaganda machine. Soon our statues will come down and our history even further sanitized. Without doubt we are heading left and further into the Orwellian prophecy, as the majority watch from the sidelines, comfortable in malaise, soon to be totally controlled by woke.
All the best to TR who, with a small group of Brits willing to stick their necks out, will stand up and try to protect their statues and history this weekend. Again, good luck.
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June 12, 2020 8:18am
Maggy Wassilieff

The media seem to placing the blame on staff and visitors for bringing Covid-19 into a few aged care homes.

There seems to be little emphasis on finding out why the Health Department was so slow in providing care-givers with PPE or why they were not tested for the virus when they requested those tests.
a source of stress for staff was uncertainty around knowing who had the virus, and we repeatedly called for testing of all staff and residents to address this, which was denied by the Ministry.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/121797658/coronavirus-report-on-agedcare-clusters-reveals-how-virus-got-in-to-facilities
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June 12, 2020 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  The media are a blatantly shit stirring , almost anarchist enhancing movement .
  
  Worldwide they bear a huge responsibility for the fear and panic around Wuflu( and the economic destruction in its wake) , for the racial troubles and now the cultural revolution around historical items .
  
  They are a modern version of Mao’s Red Guards.
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:31am
Maggie Pie

My partners just headed off to take his Nephew (10) over to Kings Prep. He stayed with us last night while his mum went out on a Tinder date.
While we were all having Big Mac’s for dinner, I asked him how things were going back at school after the 12 week lock down?
Seems all the talk among the boys has been about the riots in the US and the Black Lives Matter protests.
He was telling us their History Teacher asked the class an interesting question….”What do you think New Zealand would look like today if the Whiteman had never set foot on these shores?”
Apparently, one of the boys stuck his hand up and said, “There’d probably still be old Zephyrs parked in long grass outside all the state houses”

LOL! (Though you do have to wonder where these cheeky little shits get if from.)
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June 12, 2020 8:22am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  There would be no state houses, no Zephyrs and bugger all else
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:43am
  - Two bob
    
    no living animal or bird worth eating either. they depleted moa etc in short order no doubt if european sealers and whalers hadnt slaughtered them the maori wouldve depleted them also in a couple hundred years.
    
    if no european arrived then today we would find a race of ppl who ate nothing but potatoes for a hundred years, wouldnt be pretty
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:12am
    - oldfella
      
      Ate nothing but potatoes? You mean like the Irish? How did that turn out? 😉
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:39am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The Maori had a chronic energy (fat and carbohydrate) shortage. Seafood tends to be very lean (lots of protein but not so much fat, not like seal or whale blubber).
      
      If the Maori had the cold-resistant potato, their population could have been 3-4 times what it was by the late 18th century.
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:41am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        As soon as Maori got hold of the potato (variously introduced by Cook, the French explorers and American Whalers) they realised it was a more productive crop than their varieties of kumara… and began to cultivate it.
        
        Now we refer to these imported varieties as “Maori Potatoes”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_potatoes#:~:text=Common%20pests,are%20considered%20vectors%20for%20diseases.
        
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        June 12, 2020 11:26am
      - Jack5
        
        Brian Easton, in his recent economic history of NZ, says “… it was not until the arrival of the potato – easy to produce, store, and carry – that Maori were able to pursue prolonged warfare.”
        
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        June 12, 2020 1:45pm
    - Komata
      
      Two bob@1012
      Actually not even that; On a purely ‘natural’ level, the potato was unknown, the ‘Kumara’ was NOT what we currently have (and was a lot smaller and nutritionally poor) and the only sustenance of any consequence was fern root, some fish and whatever poultry could be caught. These were however seasonal.
      
      There were however HUMANS, and ‘Unpalatable’ (unintentional pun) though it may be to modern sanitizing historians and Maori who don’t wish to acknowledge THEIR heritage, these were a major food source and written records abound with references to this aspect of Maori ‘culture’. Cannibalism certainly occurred, with probably the most ‘recent’ (and well-documented) example being the aftermath of the destruction in 1821 (by treacherous means) of Totara Pa (South of Thames) by Hongi Hika. Suffice to say that over 1000 of the pa’s inhabitants were slaughtered, cooked and consumed after the pa capitulated.
      
      As there were very, very few Europeans in the area, those that were in the vicinity could only look-on and record what they saw.
      
      THAT is what NZ would have been like; constant inter-tribal warfare and, eventually, the emergence of probably two major tribes – one on each of the main islands, both with a ‘farmed’ resource of slaves to be either eaten or bred-from, there would of course be no males being in the latter-group
      
      THAT is probably what would have happened, and it is worth remembering that the initial approach that ‘Maori’ made to the British was in an attempt to try and stop this ongoing, never-ending cycle of inter-tribal warfare.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:07am
      - HeatherW
        
        Chief Titokowaru reportedly said ‘his throat was continually open for the eating of human flesh’, worked for scaring the settlers of Taranaki in 1868. In several of the battles with Colonial forces that year invader hearts were removed. (The Chief won).
        Prof Mutu stated yesterday to the effect that there are plenty of items in Maori history with regard to cannibalism and English historians chose to ignore as it was offensive for them.
        
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        June 12, 2020 1:22pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Agree with everything except the Moas. Moa were wiped out long before current Maori arrived. No Maori oral history exists as to the Moa.
      
      Archeology digs in NZ have discovered broken and cooked Moa bones, and evidence of Moas having been hunted, slaughtered, cooked and been someone’s lunch, dating back thousands of years.
      
      If Europeans didn’t arrive, there would be little to see. A few stragglers here and there. Without intelligence or civil laws, mankind tends to wipe himself out, over and over again.
      
      What happened to the Stonehenge builders? Or the Pyramid builders? Or the very advanced Atlantis builders?
      
      Maori are not special, they would have been just as capable of wiping each other out. History is not a Mills and Boons novel. Without laws, the past was very brutal indeed.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:16am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I have never seen any evidence that Moa were slaughtered and cooked thousands of years ago.
        
        Sources please:
        
        I’ve seen plenty of evidence that Moa bones date from a couple of million years ago…. but never seen anything to suggest that humans slaughtered or cooked them before 1250AD (or before Polynesians arrived in NZ).
        
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        June 12, 2020 11:32am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        Correct Maggy.
        
        In the non-existant (according to the history re-writers) caves around the coast of the South Island (I can’t comment on Pig Island) Moa Hunter sites have been found with Moa bones.
        
        One strange anomaly is that no weapons or human remains have ever been at these sites.
        
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        June 12, 2020 12:00pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Maggy
        
        Just because you have not seen it, does not mean it does not exist. 🙂
        
        I have never seen an alien either, but have seen very fast UFOs cover thousands of kms in the blink of an eye so I know that they are not from here (alien), or are they?
        
        I’m sure if you look hard enough on Google or Duck Duck Go you will find a few “discredited” sites that point to evidence.
        
        Or perhaps download and watch the three hour trilogy of “Cousins Across the Sea”, “The Redheads”, “Under the Carpet”. And track down the numerous sources mentioned there in.
        
        Or read “The song of the Waitaha”
        
        The last 800 years are but a spec of dust in the garden of the history of this country.
        
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        June 12, 2020 12:57pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @MT Tinman
        
        Read Atholl Anderson: Prodigous Birds: moas and Moa-Hunting in NZ
        https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/Prodigious_Birds.html?id=-Oo_kFo09VEC&redir_esc=y
        
        Lots of evidence of obsidian flake knives, stone polishing tools at some moa-hunting and processing sites.
        
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        June 12, 2020 1:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Just because you have not seen it, does not mean it does not exist. ?
        
        I’ll file away that titbit of information until I’m on my deathbed and have to decide whether I want an afterlife or am happy decomposing to CO2 and H2O.
        
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        June 12, 2020 1:34pm
      - MT_Tinman
        
        Maggy, I shall attempt to obtain and read the book.
        
        It is the lack of weapons, not tools, that surprises me. My information on that came from a conversation with a Ngai Tahu historian so I can’t give you literary confirmation but she had no reason to lie.
        
        The lady suggested either the Moa Hunters were so small in numbers they had no one to fight or they had, like the Moriori, decided on peaceful existence.
        
        Another rather unusual point the lady raised was that there is no stories of conquest when the Ngati Mamoe moved south and very few stories of Ngai Tahu fighting the Ngati Mamoe when they, in turn, were forced south.
        
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        June 12, 2020 3:18pm
      - mark15
        
        Google the ‘Poukawa dig’
        
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        June 12, 2020 5:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @M.T. Tinman
        It is the lack of weapons, not tools, that surprises me.
        
        Are we discussing 2 different things?
        I thought you meant no evidence of weapons at moa-butchery sites… but are you talking about no evidence of weapons at known battle/skirmish sites in pre-European times..
        
        Perhaps not hard to understand…. Victors would retain their weapons (https://teara.govt.nz/en/riri-traditional-maori-warfare/page-3) and claim those of the defeated.
        
        Again another Atholl Anderson book….recording the battles/skirmishes of the South Island Maori…1650-1850.
        “The Welcome of Strangers” –
        https://www.otago.ac.nz/press/books/otago071873.html
        
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        June 12, 2020 8:37pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I know exactly what New Zealand would look like if Europeans had never settled here in numbers. It is called Papua New Guinea.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:01am
  - Komata
    
    BenedictY@0901
    
    You’re not too far wrong; especially ‘in country’ and on the other side of the border…
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Papua New Guineans had/have bows & arrows.
    This technology was unknown to Maori and seems very uncommon (if used at all) in Polynesian societies.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:36am
  - Mike
    
    Interestingly, New Guinea was one of the few locations in the world where agriculture was developed independently.
    
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    June 12, 2020 12:58pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep…
      into genetic engineering of sugar cane and bananas 10,000 years ago.
      https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2003/06/20/883719.htm
      
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      June 12, 2020 3:46pm
- Parnell Gun Club
  
  That young fella has an impressive knowledge of modern NZ history!
  Maybe there’s hope after all.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:03am
- Harriet
  
  NZ would be exactly like the Solomon Islands. And I’m being serious. 😎
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:32am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Gosh! Because poverty and shit choices are reversed for the brown men.
  
  And universal credit in the UK is a myth.
  
  🙂
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:59am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Reserved! Acck!
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:05am
- oldfella
  
  If it was a state school, a kid who voiced that kind of wrong-think would be dragged up before the assembly, forced to confess his sins, and then also forced to name and condemn others of similar views. Who would get the same treatment, all in the name of cleansing our society of impure thoughts.
  Yep, we learned a lot of good stuff from Chairman Mao and his Red Guard.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:45am
  - oldfella
    
    The children who do admit to group wrong-think could always get together and make a video to express their sorrow over their shameful white privilege. Here’s a good template.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12339265
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:22am
    - oldfella
      
      It’s really, really important that you stay on the woke reservation and don’t hold non-group-think views. J.K. Rowling is learning that lesson, but at least she has the backbone to push back. Not sure she will endure, but all credit to her.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12339244
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:26am
Happychappy

When will the electrol commission grow some balls and penalize Labour four it’s continual and blatant use of the rules. Last election was about slave gate and money donations that even Labour couldn’t explain where Matt McCarten got them from, this year it is the unite Campaign and the 5million that trusted Jacinda with also the drug referendum on donations that could have gangs donating large sums urging people to vote yes to the referendum as there are no laws to prohibit or know where the donations are coming from. Again we have a Government high on corruption to suit there need whilst shutting down respectful NZer’s that bring issues that are not right to light that border very close to fraud.
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June 12, 2020 8:22am
sgthree

can someone with artistic skills please do a cartoon depicting mummy and daddy robot thanking Andrew and Jacinda for spending all that money recovering the body of their lost child!
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June 12, 2020 8:24am
Paulus

I am saddend this morning to learn that in the UK some anarchists or something similar want to destroy the statue of Robert Bade-Powell the founder of the Scout movement.
I remember some 65 plus years ago standing before my peers and parents in which I took the Scout Oath on joining the Movement.
Whilst I have endevoured in principle throughout my life – sometimes not entirely successfully, to attain the Oath – ‘I promise to do my duty to God and the Queen and to obey the Scout Laws”.
Such a membership gave me, and my family and many other families, all connected through the Scouts a feeling of sympathetic companionship throughout our lives.
We loved going to Gilwell Park regularly – the home of the Movement and camping there – the singing around the fire.
We have some friends now passed on whereby the Movement has planted Oak trees in their memory to their contribution to the youth of the times.
And they want to destroy BP – OK but they will never destroy what he represents throughout the World.
Apologies, but am saddened of these times and this good blog site allows me to comment.
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June 12, 2020 8:28am
fernglas

Wall Street down 7% on the realisation that this virus is not going away. When will this country realise it has laid itself open to devastation this coming winter, with a virus that is increasingly looking seasonal? We could have had a mild summer sensitising the population, but now, by “eliminating” without non-porous borders, we will get the full blast when, as is inevitable, infections occur beyond our limited ability to trace and isolate.
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June 12, 2020 8:29am
- IC5000
  
  The virus has resulted in permanent lung scarring where people are physically debilitated. It’s not like the flu at all.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:33am
  - fernglas
    
    No, it’s not. It’s a serious illness. But it is also an inevitable one, and this country is just plain dumb if it thinks it can hide until it has gone. What if there is no vaccine? Do we just capitulate and open the borders with an unprotected population? There is no Plan B, but I doubt whether there was ever really a Plan A
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:55am
    - Two bob
      
      its obvious there was no plan A!! The govt had to wing it and make up the plan as they went (to be fair so did rest of the world) we pretty much followed what aussie done then cindy upstaged scomo and went “harder”.
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:22am
    - IC5000
      
      I was reading an article which said that Richard Dearlove, former director, MI6 said that he was convinced that Covid19 was engineered because it had portions of it which appeared to be artificially inserted. I don’t think it was inevitable at all if this is correct.
      
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      June 12, 2020 7:18pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    The lock down has resulted in permanent mental scarring and where people are psychically debilitated.
    
    There fixed it.
    
    Lung scarring also happens from asthma and pneumonia, so what it new?
    
    If the lung scarring from Covid-19 was extreme then:
    
    -Obama would have fessed up and admitted he put in place the funding and joint development of viruses between Wuhan and the USA labs, and pleaded with Trump to shut down the funding. It was Trump, who after being made aware of the joint program by republican watchdog submissions to Congress, shut down the program.
    
    -WHO would have been more open about the containment breaches at Fort Detrick in July 2019, and Wuhan in October 2019.
    
    -WHO and our government would have issued advice as to what people can do in terms of nutrition and supplements to build up immunity. Private health did, public health did not.
    
    -All the demonstrations overseas would be dispersed by water cannons, as mass rallies would be a massive contagion infection effect.
    
    -NZ would have gone hard to close borders at the end of November 2019, when the Unholy Trinity Trinity knew about it.
    
    -NZ would have gone hard to quarantine and test at the border for returning NZ citizens.
    
    -Robbo would have stated why he borrowed the 19Bn at the start of December 2019, instead of stating it was a “once in a generation” opportunity to borrow for “shovel ready projects” to be spent 2021 to 2024. Note he used the same terms at the time of the May 2020 budget.
    
    -Mx Ardern would have stopped all her huggy stuff at the same time, and cancelled Mosque anniversary press shoot months ahead.
    
    -Mx Ardern would have ordered widespread testing in December 2019.
    
    -David Clark would be in a prison cell for attempting to spread the virus.
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:10am
  - tf78
    
    I read an article which said the clotting which was found after a few post postmortems was treated in future patients with aspirin and antibiotics. They think it wasn’t a virus at all – I don’t know who to believe but an aspirin never hurt anyone nor did antibiotics.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:00am
    - MCos
      
      Aspirin isn’t necessarily harmless
      https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/is-taking-aspirin-good-for-your-heart
      Antibiotics aren’t necessarily harmless either
      https://www.1life.co.za/blog/dangers-of-using-antibiotics
      
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      June 12, 2020 1:08pm
    - IC5000
      
      > The lock down has resulted in permanent mental scarring and where people are psychically debilitated.
      
      … NZ has released the mentally ill ‘into the community’ for decades and cut mental health funding leaving them to live on the streets. … [Deleted – Mod. Enough of the trolling personal abuse, discuss the topic.]
      
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      June 12, 2020 7:22pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Fit 20 yo, no preexisting conditions receives double lung transplant in US this week because ventilation and other organs starting to fail.
    
    Op was 10 hours long and complicated because there were so many holes in her lungs, her lungs had fused to her chest cavity. That is not just the flu.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:20am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Yep, the man made, self correcting, replication with feedback and auto correction, Covid-19 HK virus can do that. Amazing what you can create in labs these days.
      
      But post a link man. Would like to read the research.
      
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      June 12, 2020 1:06pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Don’t worry about it.
  
  Worry about this year’s flu which will be twice as lethal as Covid-19.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:41am
  - SGA
    
    Flu season in the USA is typically measured over the 6 months Oct through March inclusive. Last 2019-2020 season, the upper estimate was 62,000 influenza-related deaths.
    
    Over the 2 months, April and May, there were close to 100,000 Covid-related deaths in the USA (and that’s with the various lock downs and social distancing going on in various places during that period).
    
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    June 12, 2020 1:21pm
- SGA
  
  When will this country realise it has laid itself open to devastation this coming winter, with a virus that is increasingly looking seasonal?
  
  Perhaps seasons do affect its transmission rate, but it doesn’t seem as seasonal as influenza, say (remember when Covid-19 would disappear in April 🙂 ).
  For example, it must be pretty warm in Texas, Florida, and California at the moment, but the rates of infection there are steadily increasing since they loosened their restrictions? It seems to cope with the overall warmer climate in Brazil fairly readily? If it is seasonal to a large degree, then it is going to go off again with a hiss and roar come the next northern hemisphere winter.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:50am
Ford Prefect

So everything needs to be renamed if it was named after an historic figure who is not akin to a modern day saint.

I assume this will also include any places named after Maori chiefs or tribes that partook in slavery or cannibalism.
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June 12, 2020 8:35am
- Unity
  
  All I can say is that the World has gone stark staring mad!! They seem to have lost their brain power big time. I just wish we could become colour blind and get on with our lives without all this racist nonsense. Faint chance!!
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:41am
  - tf78
    
    Morgan Freeman suggested we stop talking about racism and stop calling people black or white – very good suggestions I thought.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:02am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s worse than that: not using writing, history is embedded in genealogies, carvings and panels. The interpretation of some such is reserved to certain tribal members. Land titles, frequently arising out of conquest, are certified that way.
  
  If Maori want to play tricks and take out Pakeha objects they call offensive it will be only fair to seek to similarly remove their cultural objects which would damage most meeting houses around NZ.
  
  The Maori Party with Tariana Turia had wisdom. Now it’s dangerous. Is it actually functioning as a legitimate political party or a rabble rousing movement against Pakeha?
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:48am
  - oldfella
    
    Saw the female leader of the Maori Party feature on TV1 news last night in 3 stories! Most of them anti-pakeha rabble rousing. Where’s John Tamiheri in all this? Isn’t he the boy leader of this bunch? He sure knows how to pick losers.
    BTW, I assume he will now want to be known as Hoani Tamiheri. John is so… white.
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:53am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Another Activist Nick Tupara against a Cook statue is name after a highly prized weapon.
      Tu – two
      para – barrel
      Transliteration can be revealing. Double barrelled shot gun.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:37am
  - tf78
    
    Just like the Gweens.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:05am
- Libertarians are right
  
  You do feel like this movement if done equally would almost remove the entirety of Maori history.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:32am
- Lance
  
  There was some rambling fool on TV1 news last night claiming Maori leaders of days gone by could NEVER be held to account because they were not in a position of power, unlike Pakeha.
  
  And so it begins……………
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:52am
  - Swifty
    
    WTF?
    
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    June 12, 2020 12:08pm
all true

A passage written by a Brit about the current situation in his homeland – this is thought provoking and is equally relevant in any other (once) white country.
I have been wondering about why whites are racists, and no other race is?
There are British Africans, British Chinese, British Asian, British Turks, etc, etc, etc.
And then there are just British. You know what I mean, plain old British people that were born here.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you. So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the Muslim Council of Great Britain.
You have Black History Month.
You have swimming pools for Asian women.
You have Islamic banks for Muslims only.
You have year of the dragon day for Chinese people.
If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we’d be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites to ‘advance’ OUR lives, we’d be racists.
A white woman could not be in the Miss Black Britain or Miss Asia, but any colour can be in the Miss UK.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we’d be racists.
There are over 200 openly proclaimed Muslim only schools in England. Yet if there were ‘White schools only’, that would be racist!
In the Bradford riots and Toxteth riots, you believed that you were standing-up for your race and rights. If we stood-up for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you’re not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
We fly our flag, we are racists.
You can fly your flag and it’s called diversity. You celebrate your cultures and it’s called multiculturalism.
You rob us, carjack us, and rape our daughters but when a white police officer arrests a black gang member or beats up an Asian drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud…. but you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists??
There is nothing improper about this text. Let’s see which of you are proud enough to send it on.
I sadly don’t think many will. That’s why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS in this country. We won’t stand up for ourselves!
BEING PROUD TO BE WHITE! It’s not a crime, YET… but its getting very close!
It has been estimated that ONLY 5% of those reaching this point in this message will pass it on but it’s food for thought
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June 12, 2020 8:38am
- Unity
  
  From where I’m sitting it’s not the whites who are racist, it’s the ones who accuse us of racism who are the racists. They should take an inward look at their own attitudes and actions. There are many decent people who are not white but are excellent citizens and they don’t have any problems whatsoever.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:45am
- Harriet
  
  8% 0f the world’s population is white.
  
  nuf said.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

Canterbury Museum is going to get rid of its dioramas depicting pre-European Maori.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121802557/complaints-lead-to-covering-of-mori-exhibit-at-canterbury-museum

On T V One last night one complainant said there was no evidence that Maori lived in caves.

That would fly in the face of the archaeological evidence that indicates many of the South Island caves were used for shelter, cooking, and stone flake preparation and walls and cave ceilings were sometimes decorated.

https://districtplan.ccc.govt.nz/Images/DistrictPlanImages/Statement%20of%20Significance/Christchurch/HID%20351.pdf

https://teara.govt.nz/en/maori-rock-art-nga-toi-ana#:~:text=Story%3A%20Ng%C4%81%20toi%20ana,descendants%20who%20witnessed%20European%20arrival.
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June 12, 2020 8:41am
- KevO'Brien
  
  This book was recommended yesterday. It’s an excellent backgrounder and fits with my observations of life in the wider Pacific.
  Maori cannot claim any ethical high ground. People were kept for lunch. If you had middle class status you took what you wanted.
  The Maori party are treading on very hazardous grounds.
  https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/Old_New_Zealand.html?id=t9sNAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:56am
  - Unity
    
    It’s an excellent book to give you some background of how it was back in those times. Much better than the reinvented touchy feely history they try to foist upon us today which bears no resemblance to reality.
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:51am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It’s also consonant with my experiences and knowledge gained from living in the mid Pacific for 7 years. Rights pertaining to rank are still very much to the fore. The Pacific was not peaceful to the non-compliant.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:42am
  - JackRabbit
    
    [OTT JR, provide references for acceptance. Mod.]
    
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    June 12, 2020 1:09pm
- Swifty
  
  In a number of my NZ (deer) hunting histories, including a few very/quite old first editions, events are recounted of hunters, in the very early days of NZ stalking, overnighting in caves and seeing much evidence of Maori occupation – particularly in the South Island.
  
  I guess the debate will be around whether they ‘lived’ in these caves or were just ‘passing through’. If just ‘passing through’ is it fair or accurate to depict Maori as ‘living’ there?
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:59am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Any SI inland caves will have seen “passing through” only.
    
    SI Maori, with no agriculture and, after they had wiped out the Moa and Torlesse Eagle, no large animals except humans, could not live inland for any long period of time.
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:45am
    - Swifty
      
      Agreed.
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:56am
    - Jack5
      
      You’re right, MT_Tinman, but I think you mean the Haast’s eagle, which was died out along with the moa. I think moa were its main food, and when Maori killed off all moa, Haast’s eagle, the biggest bird of prey in the world, died out, too.
      
      It would have been an interesting challenge for 19th century settler graziers.
      
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      June 12, 2020 9:31pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Kiwi’s, now, live in in caves too and under bridges. Some rotate such residences and even bed down at our house temporarily. People live where they can and how they can. There are some who prefer the life of the unconventional.
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:53am
  - Jack5
    
    An ancient Maori woman’s remains were found interred in a cave at Lake Hauroko in Fiordland:
    
    https://tangatawhenua16.wixsite.com/the-first-ones-blog/single-post/2016/1/21/00-Lady-of-the-lake
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t think the diorama states that the Maori Lived in a cave all through their life span.
    
    Anyone familiar with South Island anthropology will know that early Maori is thought to have moved from location to location on a seasonal basis.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:43am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Anyone familiar with South Island anthropology will know that early Maori is thought to have moved from location to location on a seasonal basis.
      
      True. And the continual raiding of other tribes’ Pa.
      
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      June 12, 2020 1:11pm
- Handyman
  
  Maggy, I am reminded of a Soviet era saying in Russia. “The future is certain; it is the past that keeps changing”.
  On Maori slavery…
  Nearly all the signatories of the Treaty of Waitangi were slave owners. The exception of course was Hobson who was from the UK where slavery had been abandoned.
  The fact that they were prepared to free their slaves (let’s not get into cannibalism) in order to live under the protection of British law showed that the chiefs knew exactly what they were signing. Some reports estimate 20,000 slaves gained their freedom because of the Treaty of Waitangi.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:03am
- Jack5
  
  Ngai Tahu seem to be taking over the museum. It’s been a great museum, founded by Julius von Haast and opening in 1870.
  
  Last time I took a family member to the museum at a weekend there were Ngai Tahu volunteers elaborating on Maoridom, and in front of the very displays (dioramas?) that Maori now apparently want removed.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:34am
- OTGO
  
  So the caves up the Waitaki Valley that have drawings on the walls weren’t made by the early Maori? The human race is regressing at the moment. Very sad to witness the rise of stupidity.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:19am
  - kevn
    
    @OTGO… Maybe an artistic Moa?
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:28am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Chinese or other nationalities. Stranded spacemen maybe?
      
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      June 12, 2020 1:12pm
Swifty

More systematic corruption and rorting of our immigration and employment laws coupled with the total exploitation and robbery of the time, life and opportunities of their fellow countrymen and women:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121789923/employees-allege-liquor-baron-brothers-owe-400k-after-years-of-exploitation

I say once again, nothing is going to change until we start throwing proven offenders in jail, we seize their assets criminally accrued and deport those we are eligible to.

Word must get around – you rort our laws to line your pockets and you’ll lose everything, do years in the big house and then you’ll be kicked out; family or no family.

Until then, we will remain just a joke to them; our fines just a cost of doing business.
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June 12, 2020 8:41am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  This is the tip of the iceberg, residency is for sale and these mongrels know it. One thing this stupid lockdown has done, is cut the flow of cheap labour flooding into the country. Still plenty in the country working for jack shit, but this is what happens when you not only import mass immigration but their ideals and ideas they have been taught at home, then don’t police them.
  Will be interesting to see if the flood continues in double digit unemployment.
  The kindness and welfare will quickly be wound back, printing money goes on for a limited time, ask Zimbabwe how well their experiment went.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:22am
lastmanstanding

In the election campaign the Nats and ACT have to hit Labour hard around tax and GST. They need to ask how Labour are going to repay the borrowings without increases and new taxes.
They need to point out that GST hits the poor and low earners as they spend all their incomes on GST items.
They need to raise the matter of CGT and ask Cindy and Grant to rule out a CGT reminding Cindy she already has done so.
They need to make economic recovery front and centre of the campaign and explain how they will do so through increasing activity and therefore tax revenue.
Oh and they need to raise the spectre of Labour reintroducing Death Duties and Gift Duties and point out they abolished both.
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June 12, 2020 8:42am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How can they do that when the whole fiscal adventure was based on feelingz not wisdom?
  
  We can’t afford to let these pretentious wannabe communists continue in office. They cannot produce anything, tywfordism, neither can they plan.
  ☑️☑️NZ needs National NOW☑️☑️
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:02am
  - Blackface Twin Reverb
    
    Bring Back Simon
    – and Paula
    
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    June 12, 2020 9:51am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Too late.
      
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      June 12, 2020 9:55am
    - Two bob
      
      national can reap what they sow as far as im concerned.
      If they were guna roll bridges they shouldve done so 12mnth ago, instead they panicked and made the biggest mistake of their careers.
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:32am
  - Komata
    
    KevO’B@0902
    
    But WHAT have the Nat’s got to offer us that makes them any different from the Col?
    
    A serious question BTW, as I WANT to vote for them, but without a clear ‘Statement of Intent / Ideology’, Foundational Documents, ‘Solid’ policies (that don’t flex like a leaf in the breeze) and a Leadership that gives any indication that it even knows what it might actually be doing or what it stands for, what is there left?
    
    Persuade me please.
    
    Thank you.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:27am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Firstly the Nats are not communists and driven by ideology. Our early English settler Parliamentarians vowed never to have any workhouses in NZ so they introduced the Old age Pension in the late 1800’s. Social security was born. All governments have kept elements of that and it works as social insurance. My kids know I’ll never want for a meal. Families have been freed to travel and resettle far from their children. Social security has helped establish modern society.
      
      Communism denies society. Human nature allows a ruling class to develop and the remaining “workers” to become serfs. Those in charge may not have any know how except how to be capable bullies. “To each will be given” as some diktat provides. We have been experiencing this amateur govt which has introduced twyfordism to the nation. The Minister of Finance qualifications are as assistant bookkeeper to a student union cafe. He has been printing $Billions without an understanding of the consequences.
      
      National chooses candidates on the basis of proven abilities. They are not just to become the highest paid social workers as Parliamentarians, but are collectively expected to have the ability and nous to carry out executive governance. Their selection process is not vetoed, except for a possible rogue candidate, by the Head Office. Candidates have their own experience but not unlimited freedom to promote their own policies. Their personal views can be tested in private. A very wide range of views and talents emerge among the candidates and National is basically a party of freedom of vision and practical reality. If things needs to be done they will be. Candidates will invariable be people who are such doers. Some may only be small ones who organise local events and others will be active in the wide community of commerce, socially and agricultural development etc.
      
      It took those sort of people to bring NZ through a $20Bn earthquake and the preceding Global Financial Crisis. Their success was ultimately a bit embarrassing as Kiwis began coming home in droves to a country working well again. Sometimes a successful formula is best left to continue. We cannot prosper through change for it own sake. There needs to be positive outcomes–smiles are not sufficient, they do not substitute for economic activity bringing further opportunities to enhance our nation and with it our personal futures.
      
      Govt is bit seasonal. This present one has given me no reason to endorse it. Winston had filed legal proceeding against National MP’s before the election and told no one. He had obviously made up his mind but kept NZ in the dark for several weeks while going through his charade.
      Ardern and her pathetic lot only got in by Winston’s dubious selection. They were essentially a fraud as they did not have the ability to govern and could not acquire it. Even worse they are driven by communist ideology and Winston announced after the selection that he too had given up capitalism.
      
      We have little choice but to reject these wannabe communists. National are centrist but so is NZ.
      KOB, former National Party Candidate for Onehunga 1975.
      
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      June 12, 2020 12:35pm
      - Komata
        
        KevinO’B@1235
        
        Thank you. I am aware of all that you wrote, and completely agree with your comment about rejecting the ‘… Wannabe communists’, but my question remains: to replace them with WHAT?
        
        To repeat: What ideology, founding principles and policies have the Nats got that marks them as being different from the CoL?
        
        If they exist, please tell me what they are.
        
        Thank you.
        
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        June 12, 2020 4:21pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I read somewhere, they are putting up the RUC’s, the transport industry is spitting.
  1. It starts here. Putting up existing “Charges” not taxes you understand.
  2. What “charges” are next?
  3. Fee’s?
  4. Hourly rate charged by the govt, is $120 for whatever work they do for you. How much will this rise?
  etc etc
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:25am
  - Two bob
    
    dont forget annual fuel tax rise… oops I mean “levy”
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:33am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Wait till you see what the do to car registration. Your eyes will water.
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:46am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Yet during “the 9 long years”
      ACC paid for itself
      Car rego came down
      etc etc
      
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      June 12, 2020 10:50am
- DeepBlue
  
  The Trust laws change in 2021, making Trusts have clear administration and transparency for beneficiaries. Both good things.
  
  Pre-Covid there was a big media/lawyer push to consider closing your Trust. I think this was a precursor to re-introduction of death duties and trying to ‘con’ people out of the few advantages of a well run Trust.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Won’t be closing ours. It is there for a reason
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:58am
- ancient one
  
  Excise duties main drain on the poor
  Minimum Wage earner pays
  $30 petrol tax
  $10 Alcohol tax
  $120 tobacco tax
  $80 income tax
  $20 GSt
  Adds up eh
  
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  June 12, 2020 1:17pm
Justitia

Thanks to BLM and Antifa these past days it has finally dawned on me. Captain Cook, the ascent of Everest, splitting the atom and the Moon landings are all expressions of WHITE SUPREMACY, people! It’s been so obvious for so long – check this out: https://youtu.be/goh2x_G0ct4. The whole damned idea of Western civilization is based on white privilege and is an affront to indigenous and other authentic peoples. The English language itself is polyglot and impure, fit only for Rednecks, unlike languages spoken by indigenous and other authentic peoples. Let’s start by tearing down the statues of colonial oppressors, as advocated by the enlightened mainstream media (sarc.)
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June 12, 2020 8:42am
- MCos
  
  Tenzing Norgay GM OSN was distinctly non-white.
  Captain Cook was white, but a whole lot of Maori discovered NZ hundreds of years before Abel Tasman made it down here in 1642, bro.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:14am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Your point???
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:51am
    - MCos
      
      Previous chap was championing white supremacy on the basis of achievements by non whites.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:25am
      - Justitia
        
        QED: the Left are as thick as pigshit.
        
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        June 12, 2020 1:46pm
I remember when

I think the tragedy of the ‘blackface’ condemnation is that they were (certainly outside the US) largely in admiration of black singers/choirs.
‘Al’ Jolson was never a ‘white face’ and the only time I can remember seeing him sing without makeup I was disappointed. He didn’t sound as good.
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June 12, 2020 8:46am
CaptainCompromise

I don’t normally post here, but this:

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/canterbury-museum-apologises-longstanding-offensive-exhibit-depicting-early-m-ori-life

Un-bloody-believable.
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June 12, 2020 8:50am
- Harriet
  
  When Te Papa opened I went there the first few days and they had this wooden box from the past with about 50 bits and pieces in it from Africa. Anyway, the little information card on display alongside stated what it was about — with something like this included — “Ivory would be illegal to collect now”.
  
  Soon after I left – that’s not a museum, it’s a primary school classroom.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:15am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yeah it’s a shit museum, all style no substance. I go to a museum I want to see as much stuff on display as possible, with accessible info on them, not a sparsely filled art gallery of dumbed-down displays for kids pushing leftie politics.
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:34am
    - JerJer
      
      True. You go to TePapa, and the longer you stay the dumber you get.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:37am
- Swifty
  
  Please post more CaptainCompromise.
  
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  June 12, 2020 9:27am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Along the same lines, Hamilton is removing the statue of John Hamilton, the man the city is named after, because he was apparently unkind to Maori. Similarly, there’s a call to rename an obscure street in Wellington called Picton Lane because it was named after Thomas Picton, a slave trader. What about Picton Street in Howick, not to mention the town of Picton?
  This has got bloody ridiculous, but in the interests of consistency I guess Te Rauparaha Arena in Porirua will have to be renamed because Te Rauparaha wasn’t exactly kind to other Maori either.
  Or does it only work one way?
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:08am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Captain, Applying the thinking that is pervading the ether the All Blacks should also drop Ka Mate as their haka as it was attributed to Te Rauparaha.
    
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    June 12, 2020 10:34am
    - oldfella
      
      Is the name All Blacks even appropriate anymore? There are a few white faces in most squads, so to claim to be an All Black must be some kind of cultural or racism appropriation. Which is a hanging offence in these pathetic, super-woke times.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only works one way. Any other way is racist
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:48am
- Lance
  
  A chilling prospect is imagining what NZ will be like if Labour get back in with no restraints like NZF (as much as I despise them).
  I am seeing a vision of really bad version of ‘1984’
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:57am
Maggie Pie

‘Stuff ‘ are reporting new Police Commissioner Andy (Capp) Costa, as saying, “Sponge Rounds used by the AOS are designed to be non-lethal”

My partner reckons they wouldn’t want to use any I make.
LOL!!
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June 12, 2020 8:58am
Monique Watson

That’s hilarious Maggie Pie!
Zephyrs or Anglias. Does anybody else remember the drinking game Whiz Boing Bounce, where you interrupted game play by saying: “Anglia Gearbox”, to send the gameplay to the person sitting opposite in the circle? No. Just me?
On another note, could Assad be about to be unseated just days after he sacked his PM?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2020/06/11/assad-syria-collapse-313276

There was a 6000 U.S. troop drop in the last week. I’ll try find an online source but this was passed onto me by some Vet friends.
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June 12, 2020 9:04am
- SGA
  
  Is it like Zoom, Schwartz, Profigliano?
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:25am
RW Capitalist

Hollywood, sometimes gets it right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgxZr6LLS34
also departing with thunderous applause.
Freedom of speech
Any kind of analytical assessment of history
Freedom to read, watch what you please. (withdrawal of movies, TV shows, is the modern day “book burning”
“On April 8, 1933, the Main Office for Press and Propaganda of the German Student Union proclaimed a nationwide “Action against the Un-German Spirit”, which was to climax in a literary purge or “cleansing” (“Säuberung”) by fire. According to historian Karl Dietrich Bracher: “)
Cleansing: Sounds like what they are doing to statues and videos etc. With absolutely no self awareness of what is actually happening.
Cecil Rhodes for example…no mension of the 10’s of 1000’s of students helped by his foundation.
Should Nobel be next? Afterall he was an arms manufacturer/ inventor, who spent his fortune on Nobel prizes….since Obama was the only one to get a Nobel Prize for peace, without first doing something, to give his back?
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June 12, 2020 9:20am
Critical Thinker

“Have we reached the ultimate stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, while other people are not held responsible for what they themselves are doing today?”

– Thomas Sowell
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June 12, 2020 9:24am
- Two bob
  
  nz for the last however many years. we now have all sorts of races etc paying to iwi for past wrong doing made by the “crown” the f**king queen should be paying for it as thats where earnings and resourses got shipped to in early years.
  
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  June 12, 2020 3:00pm
Durden

FFS! They have one critical job to do right now that is to keep the couple of hundred odd incoming travellers isolated for 14 days and let them out confirmed Covid free. And they are screwing it up.

Crown hotel and Museum hotel footage on TV suggests lax practices. If a father is willing to isolate for another 15 days before he would hug his children because he does not trust government quarantining it says everything that needs to be said.

If there are more cases from travellers Sts. Cindy and Ashley and that useless health minister need to be kicked out. No one 8s to blame except them. If Cindy needs to be angry, she needs to direct it at her government bodies, not The Warehouse or Air NZ management.

Media are being wimps, not asking the question at nationally televised stand up but making weak allegations second hand.

Maybe they have been scared off by the disapperance of Michael Morrah and Steve Elers–two people who were brave enough to put own to paper and call the government out.
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June 12, 2020 9:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Vote Labour back in and this is what you will get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKLLfIeKYeY
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June 12, 2020 9:40am
- Lance
  
  But sooooo much equality !!!
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:59am
  - JerJer
    
    Yep. Labour style. All hype and handing out money. Unfortunately for these morons they don’t understand that because of increasing money supply, they inflate asset prices and the people that have assets benefit. The handed out money is subsequently spent, not invested, and that ends up going back to people with assets via a dividend stream. They therefore are perpetuating the problem they claim to be solving, which is great for people that don’t vote for them, and not so much for the people that do….
    
    Educate people properly, handing out money doesn’t work. Never has, never will.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The difference between a billion dollars and a trillion dollars is 3 zeros, and as zeros have no value, there is no extra cost.
      Where did I hear that before?
      
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      June 12, 2020 12:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All equally miserable! This is what socialist Cindy wants
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:45am
curry4me

Call to boycott Winter Olympics over Hong Kong crackdown.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/06/10/calls-begin-boycott-beijing-winter-olympics-hong-kong-crackdown/
John Higginbottom, who served as commissioner for Canada in Hong Kong between 1989 and 1994 and has also worked on diplomatic missions in Beijing, urged athletes to boycott the games unless China “lays off” infringing upon the sovereignty of Hong Kong. These games are scheduled for Feb 2022. Responding to calls to boycott the games, Canada’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement, “The decision on whether or not to participate in the Olympic and Paralympic Games lies with the Canadian Olympic and Paralympic committees.”
I’m sure this will annoy the presitator. So many things happening to annoy him lately.
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June 12, 2020 9:50am
curry4me

Fourth Reich and UK quarrel over fishing rights.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/05/no-progress-eu-wont-drop-demands-uk-wont-surrender-fishing/
The EU demands continued access to Britain’s territorial fishing waters, with the Common Fisheries Policy currently allowing EU trawlers to land approximately 60 per cent of the fish caught in the waters around the United Kingdom while British fishermen go bust. I think the UK government will stand firm on this. A U turn would surprise me.
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June 12, 2020 9:51am
- Jules99
  
  Didn’t Boris campaign on it? It’s an issue close to the heart of the British people – it would be political suicide to allow foreign boats to fish British waters.
  
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  June 12, 2020 1:31pm
rangitoto

Parody Twitter account Titania McGrath accuses Florence Nightingale of being a TERF. Statue must come done.
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June 12, 2020 9:54am
- emmess
  
  I don’t want to give the mob ideas but I bet they want to bring this down
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_George_Orwell
  
  The Irony.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:09am
tedbear

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/grant-robertson-urges-big-businesses-to-rethink-layoffs-consider-small-businesses-dipping-into-private-savings.html

$93 million spending using credit cards. That’s people borrowing money. No different than govt borrowing money. Except credit card interest is considerably more than the interest govt pays on their borrowing.

That Paul Kelly’s doing ok, sold more cars last month than the last five years, so of course he’s not laying off staff.
The Warehouse on the other hand actually saw their profit fall by 20%.
Kelly made an interesting statement “If you’re collecting it at the top, well, it’s got to work both ways.”
So if you’re not collecting it at the top (selling cars), well, for it to work both ways, he’s got to lay off staff.
If the situation doesn’t get any better when he’s the only car seller at his yard and he still can’t sell any cars, then he shuts up shop.

Financial genius Grant Robertson says “The govt came to the party with the cash (from borrowing). Now it’s time for big businesses to hold up their end of the bargain.”

Yeah? I wasn’t aware of deals made between govt and big businesses that if party A took out loans of say $10 billion, then big businesses had to find another $10 billion also just to keep staff on the payroll even if they’re making a loss. I can see the shareholders would have a few problems with that arrangement.

There’s was never any ‘we’re all in this together’.
That was apparent from day one of the lockdown when the govt decided which businesses could be tossed on the scrapheap.
To suggest business owners (shareholders) should now dip into their own pockets, their own private savings, to keep their staff on board even when they can’t sell product affordibly , shows what a dumbarse clueless Finance Minister Grant Robertson is.
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June 12, 2020 9:54am
- Ruahine
  
  I think you will find that nearly all of the businesses allowed to carry on working or were propped up with borrowed money were Unionised. Who needs a local butcher anyway.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:34am
- Two bob
  
  wait untill the bussinesses that took up the 80% govt backed loans start toppling over cindy and robbo are guna get real angry then.
  
  a simple fool could tell a mile away whats gunna happen. basic finance rules dont take on more debt to fund current debt, dosent matter the intrest rate or if the lender is the govt/ird all you do is dig yourself deeper.
  
  all of the govts “lifelines” theyve dished out have just been goldmines to most. pity its gunna take until after sept 19th for this to be realised by the blind.
  
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  June 12, 2020 10:56pm
Fletch

Mark Levin asks the question that if they’re going to pull down statues in the U.S of former Confederates etc why don’t they disband the Democrat party?

Abolish the Democrat Party.
If we are to purge all vestiges of slavery and racism, it seems to me the most obvious target must be the Democrat Party. It stood for slavery and segregation and birthed the KKK. Any sporadically redeeming policies of the more recent past are of no relevance. It’s in that party’s DNA, as they say. Indeed, only a few decades ago, it chose a former klansman as its Senate leader, without objection from today’s so-called resistance — most of whose “members” are Democrats or will vote for Democrats. Their incoherence and hypocrisy aside, purge their party.

Yep, all those statues they want to remove are Confederates, eg, Democrats, the party who started a civil war so they could keep slavery, the party of segregation, the party who opposed reconstruction, the party of Jim Crow laws and the KKK.
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June 12, 2020 10:26am
- Jack5
  
  Fletch, the crunch will come when black Americans and Antifa demand George Washington statues come down and the US capital change its name because Washington owned slaves.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Candace Owens in depth following George Floyd comments. 22 minutes. Keep your eye on this woman, she is going places. Running for office.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4zUQAa24A
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June 12, 2020 10:30am
RW Capitalist

https://www.national.org.nz/national_urges_government_to_stop_fuel_hike
https://www.national.org.nz/andrew_little_admits_failed_pike_river_promise
https://www.national.org.nz/oecd_says_new_zealand_economy_hit_harder_than_most
https://www.national.org.nz/govt_ignoring_forestry_industry_s_concerns

[Mod. comment: RWC – some context would be helpful. Not so much tolerance next time.]
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June 12, 2020 10:34am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Mod: context was provided by the next 2 comments.It gives people the chance to compare and contrast.
  
  [Lol – we can’t read the future – yet. Mod.]
  
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  June 12, 2020 1:46pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.act.org.nz/policies
Good read.
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June 12, 2020 10:36am
- Two bob
  
  most common sense welfare policy ive seen from any party and ive thought exact same concept for many years.
  give a hand up not a hand out, or in other words help those that want to help themselves its a security net not a lifestyle.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:16pm
RW Capitalist

contrasted by:
https://www.labour.org.nz/100reasons
ie
Spend spend spend
and talk talk talk
and tax tax tax
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June 12, 2020 10:39am
- HeatherW
  
  As Lindsay Mitchell has pointed out reasons 30 and 99 are exactly the same.
  
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  June 12, 2020 1:56pm
- Two bob
  
  Its easy to list things theyve done lol
  I dont have time tonight but…
  1.take out anything that hasnt been successful/useful
  2. take out anything that was a response to a crisis eg covid. march 15th as any govt in power would have had to deal with it.
  3.take out anything that fixes a problem they had created themselves (This term and previous)
  
  The list shrinks significantly and looks rather retarded.
  Could go 1 further and highlight those that were campaigned on last election that have actually been successfull… you could count them on both hands and still have a couple fingers spare!!!
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:13pm
Tauhei Notts

I follow the odds in the American presidential election and I note that Sleepy Joe firmed in the betting market overnight. American politics will go back to being mind numbing boring from November 2020, damn it!!
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June 12, 2020 10:47am
- Jack5
  
  What will they then fill TVNZ news with?
  
  No Trump attacks to signal TVNZ’s own Leftism. Counselling will be required for staff.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:08am
  - Two bob
    
    the united states of CHAZ as thats what will happen when usa is over run by woke dnc leadership.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:20pm
- emmess
  
  Won’t be boring.
  They will oust him in favour of his radical VP.
  
  May you live in interesting times
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:13am
Critical Thinker

Merriam-Webster Dictionary To Determine All Definitions Using Twitter Polls ?

https://babylonbee.com/news/merriam-webster-to-determine-all-definitions-using-twitter-polls
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June 12, 2020 10:49am
Fletch

Mark Levin highlights the different reactions of the media toward two different protests a month apart – the peaceful protest to allow businesses to open during the pandemic, and these riots. (3.35 min video)

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=264540281626197

Very telling… Total hypocrites.
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June 12, 2020 11:10am
- Swifty
  
  As far as I’m concerned the likes of CNN etc, being private organisations, can do what they like (but don’t expect me to regard them as fair and balanced).
  
  What is the total scandal is that here the Government not only owns major broadcasters in the form of Maori TV, TVNZ, RNZ etc but is now handing out taxpayer money to PRIVATE news media organisations and there’s barely a peep.
  
  Let’s face it – recently we have seen the end of independent, free news media in New Zealand and we’ve seen barely a murmur in response to this fundamental change in our democracy. We now have news media dependent on the largesse of the Labour party and, to my mind, it is a certainty that this will be reflected in their coverage, the stories they choose to run with, their balance, the angles they take and the opinions and stories they choose NOT to cover.
  
  I am doubly disappointed, but not surprised, that I have not seen the journalism industry push back and defend and protect their independence – as the professionals they claim to be.
  
  I’ve said before if we read of this in some African state or some South American dictatorship, or China or USSR etc we’d roll our eyes and smile smugly that it’d never happen here – well it has. A New Zealand political party is giving taxpayer money to private media companies and the companies, consciously and sub-conciously, will make sure there is a return.
  
  We now increasingly resemble a banana republic.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:59am
oldfella

So, media works is in BIG trouble and could even go out of business.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12339322
I wonder how quickly Cindy will throw some serious money their way to keep them on air, and cheer-leading for her, being the media-darling she is.
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June 12, 2020 11:18am
- Inandout
  
  oldfella, when their news service began with a Maori introduction I thought here goes, they are begging for government funds. Too late now chaps, the horse has bolted.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:27am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  She won’t bail out MediaWorks. She’ll let them go broke (wicked capitalists that they are) and throw even more money at the State-owned monopoly which is her main cheerleader.
  
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  June 12, 2020 12:23pm
- Paulus
  
  She will fund Mediaworks only until after the election then she will toss them over.
  
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  June 12, 2020 1:59pm
- chaos
  
  There is a buyer sniffing around them
  
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  June 12, 2020 2:49pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Let’s hope they have big balls.
    And no lefty ‘journalists’.
    
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    June 12, 2020 7:41pm
oldfella

At the moment there’s a radio ad running for DB Export. Of course all alcohol advertising is banned on radio and TV in this country, but this ad is cunning in that it manages to mention the product, while claiming to just be a simple promotion for a DB Export video, which is available to view on the internet. Where liquor advertising is okay.
I wonder how much longer will they get away with it?
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June 12, 2020 11:31am
Benedict Yu

Hell it is double down stupid Friday.

This from Ron Mark:

“Now is the time to also rethink the firearms that officers have access to, their training to use them, and when they used, MP Ron Mark says

“In light of global events, and the fact that we have just confiscated all the semi-automatics across New Zealand, let’s have a rethink,” he said.

“We strongly believe police are inappropriately armed against a reduced threat of a disarmed public.””

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300033056/inappropriately-armed-nz-first-calls-for-review-of-police-firearms

A “disarmed public” ? WTF ??? Since when did the criminals and gangs disarm?

“we have just confiscated all the semi-automatics across New Zealand, let’s have a rethink,””

Oh ha ha ha ha ha ha….

New Zealand First is a scourge. Surely to God they can be banished forever in 3 months?
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June 12, 2020 11:34am
- Swifty
  
  He’s in election mode.
  
  He doesn’t actually believe the crap he spouts.
  
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  June 12, 2020 12:02pm
  - chukar
    
    A truncheon each is enough!
    
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    June 12, 2020 6:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He said the Police were not trained enough and had limited experience.
  Well why is that?
  
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  June 12, 2020 12:42pm
Durden

For some perspective:

Worldwide Influenza deaths are supposed to about 650,000 per year despite vaccinations being available. There is no clear indication of how many vaccine doses are administered. Coverage ranges varies significantly for different countries.

Total Coronavirus deaths to date 420,000 according to John Hopkins. No doubt this pandemic has a way to go yet, and there is no vaccine on the immediate horizon.

But given current total world population is 7.8 billion. We are still talking roughly 0.0001 % fatalities.

We just screwed all of the world’s economies and we are apparently going to create a $20 Trillion debt (RNZ panel discussion) to recover from the carnage.

What do you think ?
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June 12, 2020 11:36am
- barnacle bill
  
  You are more than a bit light on the debt amount Durden.
  The USA accounts for $20 trillion alone, like $19 trillion in the last eight months.
  
  https://thehill.com/policy/finance/502102-annual-deficit-hits-19-trillion-in-just-eight-months
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:48am
  - Durden
    
    I picked it up from what Christiana Figueres said in this panel discussion.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/post-covid-podcast/story/2018748032/after-the-virus-the-environment
    
    Maybe she is referring only to funds for new intitiatives whereas I presume that US debt includes dole etc.
    
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    June 12, 2020 12:18pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Actually Bill the US Annual deficit is $1.9 Trillion. Not $19 Trillion
    You missed a dot.
    The actual Debt, however, is now up to $26 Trillion.
    Big jump.
    
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    June 12, 2020 3:44pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      Yes. my mistake Red.
      
      Big problems ahead for many countries.
      
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      June 12, 2020 4:51pm
- MCos
  
  The flu vaccine only provides protection from a limited variety of the strains in circulation, as I’m sure you’re aware.
  The vaccine is 40-60% effective.
  Furthermore the protection wears off after a period of time depending on the person.
  https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fflu%2Fabout%2Fqa%2Fvaccineeffect.htm
  
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  June 12, 2020 12:34pm
Fletch

I see the museum is going to remove the diorama showing early Maori life, depicting them as natives going about their business, because somehow it’s offensive and they look like Neanderthals?

Um, we human tribes ALL went through that stage in our development. It’s just that the Europeans went through it and developed faster than the Maori.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/canterbury-museum-apologises-longstanding-offensive-exhibit-depicting-early-m-ori-life
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June 12, 2020 11:37am
- Batman
  
  If you pay attention to the story it’s about the depiction of living in caves etc, for which there is zero evidence.
  
  Besides, they’re basically a bit old and kind of shit looking, so why not replace them with something more modern and accurate?
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    for which there is zero evidence.
    
    That is untrue…
    There is evidence that early Maori in the SI occupied caves.
    
    Now, they may not have lived all their life there… but they spent time in them making fires, cooking food, flaking stone, incising patterns into the cave walls, mixing ochre and charcoal and “painting” on the cave walls.
    
    https://blog.doc.govt.nz/2019/01/25/archaeological-site-exposed-near-geraldine/
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:52am
    - alex Masterley
      
      The caves at Sumner ( in the Redcliffs area) and at Taylors Mistake all showed evidence of pre-European occupation.
      As did the caves at Takiroa.
      
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      June 12, 2020 11:59am
  - Ross Campbell
    
    [Del. Stick to the topic RC. Mod.]
    
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    June 12, 2020 1:34pm
oldfella

When lefty militants take over the your city, your local MSM will probably ignore it. Maybe not so much if it were the right doing the same thing.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2020/06/10/nets-turn-blind-eye-blm-militantly-taking-over-part-seattle
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June 12, 2020 11:45am
- Batman
  
  How odd, the only militants I’ve seen are the wannabe wide-boys with assault rifles and ill-fitting body armour, defending their right to go and catch a deadly virus while getting a haircut (putting financial load on taxpayers as a result).
  
  Or maybe people standing up against systemic racism scares some racists enough to label protesters as militant…
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:53am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    “systemic racism” the catch-cry of people who like to pretend that everyone born has equal potential, while at the same time in their private lives acknowledging that kid x known to them personally is smart or that kid y struggles academically at school. You know in your heart that outcomes are mostly governed by genetics, and only a little by better-than-bad parenting, you just can’t acknowledge it for reasons of faith.
    
    Institute regressive changes to tilt the playing field and produce equality of outcomes (rather than opportunity) by excluding high achieving students from elite institutions in favor of worse performing minority student quotas, ie bestowing opportunities for advancement on the basis of skin color or gender, is true racism and bigotry, passing judgement and punishing people on the basis of things they have no control over. It is also an admission of that which you deny – that there are innate differences in talent and proclivities along ‘ethnic’ or gender lines.
    
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    June 12, 2020 1:29pm
  - chaos
    
    Or maybe you are just as blind as a bat, more than likely
    
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    June 12, 2020 2:47pm
- emmess
  
  Or cheering on the ‘mostly peaceful’ revolution
  https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/welcome-to-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-where-seattle-protesters-gather-without-police/
  
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  June 12, 2020 12:10pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Surely that’s sedition? Why are the police not hauling away this treasonous scum?
    
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    June 12, 2020 7:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If there is a showdown, the soy boys will get their beans
  
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  June 12, 2020 12:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Veterans and Marines are not to be messed with
    
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    June 12, 2020 12:45pm
  - emmess
    
    Apparently they are complaining that the homeless stole their food, so maybe not
    
    https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/2554416/antifa-is-asking-for-soy-milk-tofu-and-vegan-cheese-after-their-autonomous-zone-in-seattle-was-robbed-of-its-food
    
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    June 12, 2020 12:53pm
- Two bob
  
  Imagine if a felony murder happens, every last woketard there would technically face same charges.
  ah good old communism it aint fair unless everyone gets punished.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:24pm
Frank the tank

Which of stuff and 3 is going to appoint receivers first?
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June 12, 2020 11:54am
I remember when

Interesting article in Dominion Post Magazine YW:
In David White interview (father of murder victim Helen Meads) on his campaign against family violence.
“A community-led holistic project in the Ohakune district, where campaigners doorknocked the entire town, and came up with 23 targets to make life better. None were related to domestic violence, but after 5 years work the net result was it halved, while the NCEA level 2 pass-rate doubled.”
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June 12, 2020 12:09pm
I remember when

The Government has invested $1.1 billion in this year’s Budget to create 11,000 green jobs as part of covid-19 recovery.
Wetlands, rivers, estuaries, predator control, wilding pines and wallaby control are among targets of projects.
With farmers also having 3,500 jobs requiring job seekers, or immigrant labour, how are these jobs going to be filled.
Do we now have to teach the urban population what the rural areas are about?
Are they out of their depth, comfit zone once they leave the urban boundaries?
Is living in the back country not on their plans for their social calendars?
In other words, is it as much an education requirement as it is offering a job opportunity?
Once the job is accepted, do you have to have supervision available to make them proficient and help them to understand the areas they will be working in?
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June 12, 2020 12:31pm
- Two bob
  
  yea I see a jobless jafa leaving thier million dollar highly leveraged property to stomp around in mud in southland at 430am for 50k a year salary.
  
  theyre gunna have to seriously relax workplace h&s to get anyone to employ a greenhorn cityfolk, theyll be more of a libility then an asset.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:30pm
JibberJabber

So now we are purging Colonial Oppression from our shores, will that ultimate tool of Colonial Oppression, the Wheel be banned?
How about Steel tools, Lion Red (probably not a bad option) or Electricity?
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June 12, 2020 12:33pm
- Two bob
  
  money? interest? very opressive
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:32pm
I remember when

Maybe the economic situation isn’t as obvious as I thought it was.
In a conversation, involving a farmer and a person in the rural research area, where they both thought that things were coming right.
Both probably have limited contact with people outside their working fields. The farmer mentioned that the beef schedule had fallen somewhat but was now back to where it had been. He also cropped so probably was aware of exchange rate changes.
However, the general impression I gained was it is now over and things are rapidly coming right.
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June 12, 2020 12:40pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The rural economy will be OK – excepting the impacts of inability to get farm workers and the lingering effects of the drought. But the urban economies are sliding into the shitter, and the scale of the job losses and hurt has not yet hit home.
  
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  June 12, 2020 3:11pm
  - Two bob
    
    rule of thumb for decades.
    regions/rural booming = urban hurting.
    urban booming = regions/rural hurting
    
    dont ask me how this works but its just how it goes.
    
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    June 12, 2020 11:35pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The $US is moving down which may benefit us temporarily. Our debt load will likely catch us in the balance of payments and exchange rates too.
  
  You’re not in a student Union Cafe now Mr Fin. Min.
  
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  June 12, 2020 5:26pm
BeeJay

Donald Trump – “a corrupt and dangerous leader”!
Is this a statement by Democrats?
No! It’s a statement from the powerful Republican “Lincoln Project“!
They want Trump out, along with the Republican lackeys who he has surrounded himself with!
They want a Democrat to win 2020!!?
It looks like they just support ABT (Anyone but Trump!)
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June 12, 2020 1:08pm
- chaos
  
  Powerful, nope, the Lincoln project was set up with the only purpose of getting rid of trump and if you look at who the members are you will understand why
  
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  June 12, 2020 1:41pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Poor BeeJay
    Brought to his knees again.
    
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    June 12, 2020 3:46pm
JibberJabber

Wonders will never cease, a balanced article from Newshub,

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/anti-racists-should-consider-pulling-down-parliament-s-richard-seddon-statue-judith-collins.html
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June 12, 2020 1:09pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Not with Willie Jackson’s comments in it. He wants statues torn down and a new revisionist history taught in all schools. How’s Willie going to clean up the evident bloodthirstiness of his own tribes?
  
  Is this another example of Maui trickery–deceit, by our standards, is embedded in Polynesian and Asian cultures. If we are foolish enough to not spot it they win the game.
  
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  June 12, 2020 5:22pm
chaos

Not the first time this has come, nor the fact that Blm only seem to get active like this during the election year

* When you click to donate to Black Lives Matter, it takes you to ActBlue. If donated money goes unclaimed, ActBlue disperses the money however they want. These are their top expenditures so far in 2020.*

https://twitter.com/JasonButtrill/status/1271091823822409728
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June 12, 2020 1:56pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Political belief can guard you from wuflu infection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=88&v=xpbrvWe3xFk&feature=emb_logo
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June 12, 2020 2:13pm
gorse

News on suff about a Natioanal MP’s son being sentenced for having lame cows. Still no name of the Labour sex camp offender. How does that work?
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June 12, 2020 2:43pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Some animals are more equal than others.
  
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  June 12, 2020 3:09pm
chaos

Must be an election soon, Winston trying to get points

* Winston Peters has launched a scathing attack on people suggesting New Zealand’s colonial statues should be removed.

There have been calls to remove statues of colonial leaders and slave owners throughout the world following the death of George Floyd, an unarmed black man who died after a US police officer knelt on his neck for nine minutes during an arrest.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/deputy-prime-minister-winston-peters-lambasts-woke-mindless-calls-for-colonial-statue-removals.html
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June 12, 2020 2:45pm
- Harriet
  
  “…..The woke generation are the equivalent of a person with no long-term memory, stumbling around in the present without any signposts to guide them.
  “Deal with it, grow up and read a book……” – Winston Peters. 😎
  
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  June 12, 2020 5:34pm
I remember when

STUFF, was given away for free.
Buyer paid a $1 because they didn’t want to look cheap.
Common Charity Shop behaviour!
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June 12, 2020 2:54pm
rangitoto

Listen up humans. The following items are now banned.

1. synthetic fibre manufactured from fossil fuels.
2. cotton fabric due to its connection to slavery.
3. all varieties of wool, hides, fur or hair due to the connection to animal cruelty.

Grass skirts are permitted until the next review of the impact on snails.

Thank you for your attention.
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June 12, 2020 2:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

BLM and who is in control explained.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YssYiNRNnHk
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June 12, 2020 2:58pm
- emmess
  
  Bad Wolves are a great band
  
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  June 12, 2020 3:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Did not know of the band. Tommy Vext just came up on my FB newsfeed
    
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    June 12, 2020 3:21pm
Maggie Pie

How disgusting is this?

‘Woman abused by angry Chinese man outside Primary school, as he holds up rush hour traffic whilst attempting to parallel park his car’

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1271260933914980352

(Caution: video contains silly Asian laughter)
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June 12, 2020 3:32pm
- surfing
  
  F* those people who stop right behind you to prevent reversing into a parallel park.
  
  That woman is a racist jerk.
  
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  June 12, 2020 4:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I know the girl involved – the person in question had already taken 4 attempts to reverse in.
    
    And for your info, her husband is Jewish.
    
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    June 12, 2020 5:16pm
    - Mike
      
      Yes, telling someone to “go back to fucking China, you Ching-Chong” is totally not racist…
      
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      June 12, 2020 6:08pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Exactly.
        Thank you Mike. Lets hope ‘surfing’ reads this before he starts calling people ‘racist jerks’ again.
        
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        June 12, 2020 7:38pm
emmess

Holy shit
Biden thinks George Floyd is a more important historical figure than Martin Luther King
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/11/joe-biden-george-floyds-death-bigger-than-mlk-assassination/
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June 12, 2020 3:33pm
oldfella

Winston has now weighed into the tear-down-the-statues debate and doesn’t like what’s happening. Which has really p*ssed off the Greens.
Surprise, surprise…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12339435
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June 12, 2020 4:04pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  But wasn’t Winston the guy who was never going to work with the Greens?
  Then joined them in giving the sham ‘Government’ a majority?.
  Wouldn’t trust him as far s I could kick the prick.
  
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  June 12, 2020 7:47pm
Benedict Yu

The lockdown caused insanity in some.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/121810496/colonial-statue-removal-sparks-name-debate-for-hamilton

I would not live in Hamilton under any circumstances. But I am sure some folk like it. Changing its name to “Kirikiriroa” will cause a major backlash. And if it does not then we are stuffed.
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June 12, 2020 4:10pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  And so it continues:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121799217/calls-to-rethink-name-picton-as-history-emerges-of-cruel-slaveowner
  
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  June 12, 2020 4:44pm
- Fletch
  
  Well, I’m still going to be calling it Hamilton, nothing else.
  
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  June 12, 2020 6:08pm
- Two bob
  
  im all for renaming of mountains and lakes etc as those places have hardly changed since pre euro days but to rename towns and cities that were once just a pa or small village or token landmark that are now unrecognisable is a step too far
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:42pm
Fletch

The statue of Hamilton in Hamilton has already been removed by the council. They need to rename the city as well, to Woketown.
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June 12, 2020 4:15pm
Mike

I’ve just been reading In Defence of Open Society by George Soros. It’s an interesting collection of essays around the them of preserving liberal democracy. Particularly good chapters on the role of IT conglomerates like Facebook and Google, the 2008 GFC, and the EU.
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June 12, 2020 4:26pm
Fletch

The wokeness is getting pathetic. Now Band Aid have created different shades of plaster to show “solidarity with Black Lives Matter”. I’m not against different shades, per se, but doing it now and for this reason is just bullshit.
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June 12, 2020 4:28pm
Inandout

The Donald has spoken:
‘President Trump issued a demand for Democratic controlled Seattle to be brought back under order immediately, as Antifa anarchists claimed control of a six-block zone and a police station.

“Radical Left Governor [of Washington, Jay Inslee] and the Mayor of Seattle are being taunted and played at a level that our great Country has never seen before,” Trump tweeted late on Wednesday.

“Take back your city NOW. If you don’t do it, I will. This is not a game. These ugly Anarchists must be stooped [sic] IMMEDIATELY. MOVE FAST!’” he continued’.
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June 12, 2020 4:31pm
- Mike
  
  Seattle’s mayors responds: “Make us all safe. Go back to your bunker.”
  
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  June 12, 2020 5:43pm
  - Inandout
    
    Mike, that Mayor ventures near the walled enclosure with armed police, but stays a safe distance away. She is a complete idiot.
    
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    June 12, 2020 7:29pm
    - Mike
      
      Until she needs tear gas to visit a church, she’s not really bossing it.
      
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      June 12, 2020 9:08pm
      - Two bob
        
        still stuck at fake news with tear gas?
        No point explaining fact or truths to one that cant percieve it.
        
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        June 12, 2020 11:44pm
surfing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121808417/supporters-create-human-barricade-to-stop-two-baby-uplifts-at-waitkere-hospital

Woman has abused 4 of her children already, promises she won’t abuse the 5th. Believe? Nah, she had her chance.
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June 12, 2020 4:47pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Five kids. I guess as a society we can have as much child abuse and neglect as we are prepared to pay for via the benefit system. Seems we are happy to pay for quite a lot of this. Maybe Orange Tamarind or whatever they call themselves nowadays should just butt out and let the tangata whenua raise their kids in the traditional manner.
  
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  June 12, 2020 5:28pm
- Inandout
  
  Deserves a 100 person protest surely?
  
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  June 12, 2020 7:30pm
- Two bob
  
  No doubt systemic racism and system failure will be to blame when the child is abused or killed.
  
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  June 12, 2020 11:47pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/300033775/lack-of-understanding-led-to-black-lives-matter-poster-removal-at-christchurch-girls-high-school

Well, I think that staff member should be congratulated.
And named.
So that if anything untoward occurs in future we know just what this school is up to.
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June 12, 2020 5:12pm
Fisiani

Today is June 12th and Semester two at tertiary starts 27th July. National have announced a viable plan to allow it to happen. That’s why Labour will fluff about till foreign students have lost hope and signed up elsewhere. Typical racist Labour.
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June 12, 2020 5:27pm
niggly

So some Waikato Maori want to effectively rename Hamilton “Long Stretch of Gravel” (aka Kirikirioa)?

Seriously?

Kirikiriroa means “long stretch of gravel” in Maori. It’s in reference to an area on the west bank of the Waikato River.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12011599
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June 12, 2020 5:53pm
- Mike
  
  Yeah, but if you breakdown Hamilton – ‘Ham-ill-town’, you will see if is a reference to a village corrupted by the stench of rotting pork.
  
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  June 12, 2020 6:04pm
Fletch

I see the govt is relaxing rules around the border – letting “essential workers” and their families in as well as America’s Cup teams. To add to that, it turns out that the quarantine regime in these hotels is not very good, with people in their 14th day mingling with people on their first day in.

Monumentally stupid. The borders should be closed off completely until the rest of the world has dealt with the virus as we have. The virus entered the country from overseas and we don’t need it here and go through all that again.

As for the America’s Cup – maybe it should be postponed until 2022. Japan had to cancel the Olympics. Why should the America’s Cup go ahead?
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June 12, 2020 6:13pm
Fletch

On tonight’s news also – it looks like Te Karere, the Maori news, might be defunded on TV 1. To be honest, I never understood why it was on there anyway when Maori have their own TV station? Why not just have it on Maori TV if they want to listen to it in their own language?
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June 12, 2020 6:17pm
Happychappy

Jacinda seems to have hit the panic button after being spooked by the public turning on Grant Robertsons lolly scramble. Now she calling on the public to write to her telling them to say what they are doing right and what they are doing wrong.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/jobseeker-numbers-top-190-000-as-jacinda-ardern-asks-for-feedback-on-covid-19-response.html
Read this and judge just how out of her depth she is and how she relays on children’s letters to improve her ability to make the right decision’s.
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June 12, 2020 6:30pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121808417/supporters-create-human-barricade-to-stop-baby-uplifts-at-waitkere-hospital

Who in their right mind would vote for ( or give any support to ) anyone called “Tamihere”.
They are disasters.
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June 12, 2020 6:31pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121813596/drunk-driver-who-killed-sister-in-christchurch-crash-spared-jail

Just think: if the evil white colonists had never set foot on these islands then this chap’s sister would never have been killed by a white-man’s car.
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June 12, 2020 6:35pm
greybeard

“You can’t erase history.”

This would make a great electoral logo.
National ? ACT?
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June 12, 2020 6:45pm
- chaos
  
  Sure you can erase history, history is written by the winner, it’s never a true account of events
  
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  June 12, 2020 8:18pm
Harriet

“The idea that you go back to year zero of history is in my view, quite frankly, unacceptable.”
Mr Albanese also said, “a bit of common sense” was needed in the discussion around removing statues and films now deemed racist, such as “Gone With The Wind”.
“People can watch things, they can learn from them, doesn’t mean you agree with them, doesn’t mean that everything that they did was right,” he said.
“It happened; you can’t pretend that it didn’t happen.”
Earlier this week Prime Minister Scott Morrison dismissed calls to remove statues of Captain Cook, telling people to “get a grip”.

Generally I hate it but this is bi-partisan behaviour as it should be. 😎
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June 12, 2020 7:32pm
Boxing junkie

Times change, comedy changes.
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June 12, 2020 7:49pm
Fletch

As someone else has pointed out on Facebook, if they are removing the statue of Hamilton, they should also remove the statue of Maori chief Te Rauparaha which is in Otaki. He participated in slavery, torture and even cannibalism of the Maori people. What is good for one side is good for the other.
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June 12, 2020 8:10pm
chaos

* Beautiful explanation of the bigger picture most are blind to.*

https://www.facebook.com/GoddessOfTruth/videos/3223006457751540/?t=0
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June 12, 2020 8:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Winston nails it:
Mr Peters offered some advice for those clamouring to project their ignorance through tearing down historic statues they don’t like: “Deal with it, grow up and read a book.”

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2006/S00108/new-zealand-firsts-disgust-at-wave-of-wokeism.htm
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