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Maggie Pie

Just received a txt from our elderly neighbor up at Tindalls.
She was wondering if it will still be okay to put her black rubbish bags out tomorrow.
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June 15, 2020 8:07am
- 3-coil
  
  Okay – but as long as she only puts white trash in them.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! Red Beach could do with a clean out.
    
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    June 15, 2020 9:25am
Nukuleka

So the kids of the Northern School of Performing Arts in Auckland are to miss out on performing the show ‘Hairspray’ because of the online bullying, harassment and threats from two self-appointed guardians of moral rectitude who decided that the cast wasn’t racially diverse enough for their tastes. To this we come in our South Pacific Quarter Acre Paradise.

Note the names Sabby Jey and Kristin Paulse. Achieving this first victory through intimidation, bullying and threats will only have whetted their appetite for more victimisation.
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June 15, 2020 8:08am
- Swifty
  
  “If this isn’t followed through, I will be reaching out to fellow influencers, actors and the media in my contacts and also share your messages,” Jey wrote.
  
  “Furthermore, we will be setting up a petition for the cast to be diversified or even the play to be called off.”
  
  Heh. We were just talking about this stuff the other day here on KB. It is just plain bullying – “do as we say or it will not end well for you….”
  
  Why don’t these people just plan and perform their own production, with a cast of their choosing? Well, as we said the other day, that’s easy – it’s much easier to bully others to get what you want instead.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12339594
  
  I note too that Kirsten Paulse is a singer and performer herself. She wouldn’t have been bullying the Northern School of Performing Arts so that she would be placed in the production would she? I would hope not – that really would be naked extortion.
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:38am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Oh the irony of a musical which tells the story of overcoming racial intolerance being cancelled on the basis of colour.
    
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    June 15, 2020 12:18pm
  - Michael NZ
    
    Thanks for the name and role, I won’t go to anything she’s in.
    Arsehole wokester bullies
    started a list on the phone, cheers
    
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    June 15, 2020 1:00pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Was that you down ticking, Kirsten? Sod off, Swampy.
      
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      June 15, 2020 2:17pm
  - Nermal
    
    It’s gone from supposed ‘white privilege’ to clear ‘black privilege’
    
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    June 15, 2020 4:58pm
- Ruawai
  
  Not sure I am happy with where these social media justice warriors are taking NZ, the few get way more airtime with social media and find their gang more easily than pre social media.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:14am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    They’re trying to take us to Venezuela via the former Yugoslavia. Let’s just hope they don’t detour via Rwanda first. But we’ve got Golly G. already in place to defend them if they ‘go there’, so that’s OK /sarc.
    
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    June 15, 2020 2:19pm
- Chris Morgan
  
  You couldn’t meet nicer people who run NSPA. They do so much for the community so to have this attack by clearly horrible humans is just disgusting. I hope these two creatures get treated accordingly. Community theatre is quite intimate so let’s hope they have just put themselves into the ‘do not cast’ list.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:18am
- Jimmy White
  
  It seems that New Zealand’s approach to even wisp of a protest is to give in even before the protest begins. Remove the statue, cancel the musical and/or accede to the demand as soon as possible.
  This approach means that the bureaucrats keep their jobs and the police don’t have to don their PPE and get out the plastic shields.
  We just draw a line in the sand and then offer the protestors a hand to step over it.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:30am
- Classic Liberal
  
  This is what I mean by identity politics endlessly dividing people. Who here doesn’t believe that many NSPA supporters would have voted labour or green and would licked every identity politics bum until now?
  
  But now they’re learning that saying you support ‘diversity’ isn’t enough. You also have to have the right ancestry and burn the right books (ie not produce any wrongthink play).
  
  Identity politics and authoritarian rule are racism and fascism.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:12am
- old skool reactionary
  
  “Sabby Jey, whose parents came to New Zealand as refugees from Sri Lanka,”
  
  See what flooding your white countries with 3rd Worlders gets you?
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:16am
  - Swifty
    
    What an extremely lucky woman she is, getting to be safe and secure in a country who offered her family refuge.
    
    Interesting to check her out on Insta and FaceBook – her photos would get her lynched in conservative Sri Lanka.
    
    But it’s us who are the bad guys…..
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:28am
  - Mike
    
    Don’t forget to safeguard your precious bodily fluids.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:41am
    - Swifty
      
      You must deny women your essence.
      
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      June 15, 2020 12:58pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Always good to have a pre-phuctual in place.
        
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        June 15, 2020 2:20pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Flooding any country with ppl who want a different culture imposed and different political structure. Japan doesn’t want that, for instance. Ireland didn’t want it from brits. Doesn’t have to be about race and if you fall into the trap of believing it is, our coming ‘hate speech’ laws will get you in trouble.
    
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    June 15, 2020 12:00pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Are you serious? Children and grandchildren of asian immigrants are much less likely to be racist and/or socialist troublemakers than those of European or Maori ancestry.
    
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    June 15, 2020 1:32pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Are you serious NK?
      
      Remember Nice? Bataclan? Rotherham? etc.
      
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      June 15, 2020 2:21pm
- Rich Prick
  
  And so it continues. I don’t know about others, but I have never felt responsible for history before I came into being.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121827141/dunedins-captain-cook-set-to-sail-as-venue-owner-opts-for-name-change
  
  [Edit: sorry, posted in the wrong place]
  
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  June 15, 2020 11:36am
- Roy
  
  Its a shame that there isnt an organisation in New Zealand that can respond to this.
  
  I like judicial watch in the USA.
  Calling out the political(activist?) Bullshit
  
  https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/paint-jw-slogan/
  
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  June 15, 2020 5:27pm
I remember when

On the AM Show:
Mark Richardson has just drawn attention to the astronomical amount of money the sportsmen in the US are earning.
He wonders if ‘taking a knee’ might show a lack of recognition of the debit they owe their country.
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June 15, 2020 8:17am
- emmess
  
  Mark Richardson has just drawn attention to the astronomical amount of money the sportsmen in the US are earning.
  
  Yeah, well not for much longer they won’t be
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:25am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Take a knee? It took 3 years for the NFL’s ratings to recover from Kaepernick & Co’s original protests. I’m sure they’d love to do it all again.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:16am
  - kowtow
    
    It would appear then that the “silent majority” do vote with their dollars.
    
    Go woke , go broke.
    
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    June 15, 2020 9:58am
    - Simon Gotlieb
      
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      Then that is a disturbing fact.
      
      If we accept that, say, the majority of people, are in fact, mildly racist, and would react to a peaceful protest about racism in an economically negative way, should we, as a society, consider that for the benefit of the majority of society, that a proportion of the society should be subject to a lesser life due to their ethnic status, or even the colour of their skin?
      
      I wouldn’t be happy with that view.
      
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      June 15, 2020 10:53am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Depends on your interpretation of racism. To simply think of ppl as individuals and want jobs given in merit rather than race or gender is now considered ’racist’ and ‘sexist’.
        
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        June 15, 2020 11:07am
      - Sideoiler
        
        …..that a proportion of the society should be subject to a lesser life due to their ethnic status, or even the colour of their skin?
        
        But they are not subject to a lesser life, often ethnic status and skin colour is a passport to not being held to the same standard.
        Think lower academic standards, preferential hiring, separate pre schooling, secondary schooling etc.
        A lesser! life Ithink not.
        
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        June 15, 2020 11:52am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        It’s impossible to test, because in the current climate in the US, which is what Richardson was talking about, there haven’t been any peaceful protests about racism.
        
        Plenty of rioting, looting, missiles thrown and people and property attacked, but nothing peaceful.
        
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        June 15, 2020 12:01pm
      - Michael NZ
        
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        It is not a disturbing fact except in your woke mind.
        
        You just tarred virtually every decent person in the country as a racist!
        Just because they don’t agree with you and your fellow wokesters.
        what rubbish thinking.
        
        I do not accept that the majority of people are mildly racist..
        I wouldn’t be happy with that view, it is ugly.
        
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        June 15, 2020 1:05pm
greenfinger

Ardern is keeping David Clark on. What an about face! COVID19 is all but over, according to Ardern but yet he still hanging around like a bad smell and getting paid a minister’s big fat package. She is keeping her useless Twyford and Clark around and let great people like Fyfe go without even a thank you until she got embarrassed in the media about it. Even then, it wasnt a direct apology to Fyfe but a reluctant roundabout smart aleck one. I’ll give this much to her – she knows to keep surrounding herself with incompetent people to make herself appear half competent.
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June 15, 2020 8:20am
- stewmar
  
  I’ll give this much to her – she knows to keep surrounding herself with incompetent people to make herself appear half competent
  
  Half competent!!!! That’s a bit generous greenfinger
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:24am
  - Janabelle
    
    Given her mp’s she can only surround herself with incompetent people
    
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    June 15, 2020 9:24am
    - HeatherW
      
      According to Stuff at midday today the new Labour party list for 2020 is full of dreshed faced people. Copied from URL today 300034942/labour-reveals-dreshfaced-party-list-for-2017-election
      
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      June 15, 2020 12:40pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Good; those albatrosses around her neck will ultimately bring the PM and her government down.
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:26am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah but the good ship NZ goes down too.
    
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    June 15, 2020 8:55am
  - Nickc2
    
    I’m hoping so too. I don’t think the National Party in their current configuration are capable of bringing this bunch of fools down. More is the pity.
    
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    June 15, 2020 2:14pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Appears Clark was elbowed aside as soon as lockdown began as Ardern wanted the limelight of daily pressers for herself. Ardern is effectively their re-election strategy and increasing her profile comes before all other considerations.
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:43am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    There are other considerations?
    
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    June 15, 2020 12:03pm
- Hacked-Off
  
  Well greenfinger, if Ardern wins this election she knows that she will be in a world of hurt. She can at least temporarily appease the masses by shedding this deadwood in her cabinet (but what will she replace it with as the Labour talent pool is very shallow) she can appear to be doing ‘something or anything’, even if it does not give Kiwis jobs and a better life.
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:45am
  - GT Build
    
    “Labour talent pool is very shallow”
    I have seen carparks in the desert with deeper puddles
    
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    June 15, 2020 9:49am
- Two bob
  
  when you start firing people they lose loyalty and could start leaking/spilling the beens.
  
  Keeping clarke on is just a control measure and he’ll be gone if labour get re elected.
  
  clarke has been privy to ALOT of info hidden in secrecy, keep friends close and enemies closer
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:59am
- Bobba Fret
  
  According to the poll on TV, even around 56% of Labour voters thought Clark should go!
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:10am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    …And Clark is one of their more capable ones.
    
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    June 15, 2020 10:05am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Yes but the bar is set very low!
      
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      June 15, 2020 11:15am
    - doggone7
      
      The performance of the Ministry of Health in the Covid situation was appalling, farcical, terrible.
      
      I’m holding Clark responsible and Ardern for leaving him in the job.
      
      Things were so diabolical, that I didn’t think I’d survive and if I did there’d be no-one online to voice to because everyone else would be dead or be in mourning.
      
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      June 15, 2020 11:46am
- kevn
  
  @g f… cindy the ‘somethinK’ and ‘BiN’ gal.
  The bar is certainly low in this CoL.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:44am
I remember when

Jacinda not quite as confident about when we will be opening our borders with Australia.
How long ago was it sounding like it was just around the corner. It all was made to seem like it was going to be almost immediate.
Pack your bags so that you don’t miss out on being an early bird.
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June 15, 2020 8:22am
- donny
  
  I think the PM will play coy on this issue till the election. Then after election the idea will be shuffled.
  
  Problem is Australia still has low levels of COVID19 transmission & are in the process of re-opening. Hence it is probable they will not eliminate the virus but rather live with it at suppressed levels.
  
  This approach will be considered unacceptable to the current govt, as we have a more hard lined “zero tolerance” approach to COVID19
  
  I think its much more likely Australia will form its own bubble with the likes of Japan & South Korea. Other countries which have suppressed the virus.
  
  NZ could be left all alone.
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:56am
  - Sacha
    
    We should also consider that: if the National Party should succeed at the elections, and proceed to open the borders a little, AND if there should be another case of COVID19 – the public would arise in fury, the erstwhile PM would be elevated to saintly status.
    I wonder if it wouldn’t be easier to let this government have another 3 years to reap what they have sown – and heaven help us all.
    
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    June 15, 2020 9:34am
    - donny
      
      You raise a very good point. This may actually be a good election to lose.
      Do you stay locked down & watch the NZ economy slowly implode or do you open back up & reintroduce COVID19.
      
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      June 15, 2020 2:46pm
  - 3-coil
    
    donny – talking to Aussie friends recently, and they are fully aware that they would be opening their borders to kiwis INCLUDING any Manus Island refugees etc we’ve welcomed into our bosom. A small point, but they seemed to be concerned about it. ?
    
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    June 15, 2020 9:41am
  - old skool reactionary
    
    Yep Princess Cindy and the health technocrats have painted us right into a corner.
    
    Even China has another outbreak now, and they have the most extreme state powers to control their population.
    
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    June 15, 2020 10:19am
  - Ipanema69
    
    Donny, yup you are right. The elephant in the room is what do we do now. We seem to have eliminated the virus.
    
    There isnt any chance of the borders being reopened this side of the election. Any reintroduction of the virus would ruin Arderns election chances.
    
    However eventually we will have to open up.
    
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    June 15, 2020 10:50am
    - Sacha
      
      Well, what do you know!
      Two naughty Ladies have ruined our claim to World Supremacy!
      Bloomers had to spread the bad news.
      Our Lady of Grace has nothing to say. And the People are cross!
      
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      June 16, 2020 6:23pm
  - Two bob
    
    any wise country would avoid us like the plague.
    
    look at the worldwide praise jacinda has, now imagine being the country that undone the saints work by re infecting it with covid.
    
    we will reap what this muppet show sowed.
    
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    June 15, 2020 8:31pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Forbes reports that Europe is opening it’s borders. IN France, Borders are due to reopen on June 15 to tourists from Britain, the E.U. and Schengen . Previously they had to submit to quarantine. So, Europe is reopening without quarantine to it’s neighbours and open travel begins. So what is the plan for NZ? We are told it is an advantage to have elimination. But how does that work when no other country intends to aim for the same goal. We have boxed ourselves into a corner. And we can’t even open to Australia or the Pacific. What is the plan to get out. Or maybe there is no plan? Of course we must open to other countries and be exposed to the virus at some stage, maybe they just don’t want to tell people that until after the election.
  countries.https://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2020/06/12/europe-open-for-travel-now-/#45345bfb25af
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:01am
- Chris R
  
  On 20th September, if this idiot is returned to government, an enormous funnel will be required to allow fleeing NZ’ers to reach Australia getting away from the impending tax increases and reductions of civil liberties.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:21am
- Surely Knott
  
  Because when we open our borders we have the lowest immunity in the world. And some people will get the virus and it will have to be managed. Best not reveal this to voters until after the election. The election campaign hinges on the messaging that we eliminated the virus due to the best leadership in the world.. Borders will be opened after election.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:12am
Paulus

Remember that voting for her only continues the reliance she will have to have on the “Incompetents”.
And no Peters to hold the line either.
Sorry I cannot vote for her as am not in the Mt Albert constituency gifted to her by at least somebody who was almost competent.
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June 15, 2020 8:27am
Tony Stuart

Remember this story next time you hear a Labour, Green or NZ First MP talk about how National “looks after its rich mates”…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/121824008/government-documents-reveal-money-can-open-restricted-nz-borders

Three cheers for the Government; hyp, hyp, hypocrisy!
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June 15, 2020 8:28am
Maggy Wassilieff

1C outside….sun shining, not a cloud in the sky….. I might delay going for a swim.
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June 15, 2020 8:31am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Any truth to the rumor stephieboy is now living in Gizzie? 😀
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s hard to resist the attractions of Kaiti Mall.
    https://shorthand.radionz.co.nz/maori-poverty/index.html
    
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    June 15, 2020 9:02am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Poverty Bay. Just sayin’.
      
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      June 15, 2020 2:24pm
- Biscuit
  
  Pictures – or it didn’t happen, Maggy!
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:25am
Kiwi_in_Paris

And so it begins:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/captain-cook-hotel-be-renamed

“TRUTH – It’s the New Hate Speech: “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act” – George Orwell”

― George Orwell
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June 15, 2020 8:34am
- alex Masterley
  
  That really takes the cake.
  What a joke.
  I wonder if the new name will be “woke” or “spineless”
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:48am
  - Ruawai
    
    Captain Woke Hotel
    
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    June 15, 2020 9:18am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Ardern’s Folly.
      
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      June 15, 2020 2:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump Tower. Bahahaha
    
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    June 15, 2020 9:35am
  - kowtow
    
    In a nod to naval tradition and modern trends
    
    The Buggers Muddle.
    
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    June 15, 2020 10:03am
    - LTA1955
      
      Aided and abetted by the Mt Albert Muddler
      
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      June 15, 2020 11:14am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Minas Morgul?
        
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        June 15, 2020 2:25pm
  - Jimmy White
    
    Woke brings out Spineless
    
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    June 15, 2020 10:54am
Justitia

Thought for today: We are living in an age of “industrial scale victimhood and universal deceit” (Daily Telegraph). I think that about captures it.
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June 15, 2020 8:38am
Maggy Wassilieff

Someone gets class politics in NZ.

Among the most vocal supporters of even the alert level 2 legislation which allowed for warrantless searches by police – virtually at will – have been the chattering classes.
and
It raises the question of whether their ardent support for Government restrictions was limited to the confines of their own political interests. Funerals/tangi, dying loved ones, and the birth of children weren’t acceptable reasons to breach restrictions, but a political march (apparently) was.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300032398/the-elite-readily-accepted-authoritarian-rule-until-their-own-political-interests-were-at-stake
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June 15, 2020 8:38am
- Ruahine
  
  Good piece of journalism by Ani OBrien, Maggy. Thanks for putting it up.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:51am
Tony Stuart

Political commentator Ben Thomas tweeted this yesterday:

Ben Thomas
@BenThomasNZ
The first media question asked at Muller’s speech, where he said marae were a fundamental unit of our society and tino rangatiratanga would guide National’s social policy, was “are you a racist?” – maybe our news orgs could engage with NZ politics rather than US social media idk
3:04 PM · Jun 14, 2020

Is it any wonder that the public’s opinion of journalists, especially political journalists, is so l0w?
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June 15, 2020 8:39am
- Swifty
  
  This is the new norm KS – $50M, with more on the way, still buys you a lot in this country.
  
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  June 15, 2020 8:45am
- Philview
  
  It would be interesting if our print media had to declare all of their funders. We would probably be horrified. As discussed last week the Drugs Foundation is refusing to disclose its funders. Family First has knowledge that George Soros has previously made donations. If the likes of George Soros are trying to influence drugs policy in NZ then I don’t have confidence that our media aren’t selling sponsored consent or making sponsored editorial attacks on behalf of some organisations.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:12am
- kowtow
  
  ‘tino rangatiratanga would guide National’s social policy, ‘
  
  Why would Maori separatism guide a whole nations’ social policy?
  
  If this is Mullers’ vision then he should join the Maori Party , not the Labour Party he said he’d joined.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:17am
  - brett68
    
    Man, I thought Bridges was bad, Muller is lightyears worse.
    
    Apart from themselves and their financial backers, I have no idea what National represents, what are you actually voting for with National?
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:33am
    - Komata
      
      brett68@1133
      
      Exactly; there actually don’t appear to be any ‘Policies’ or Statements of Intent, Core Values, or even indications of an ideology, nothing except ‘Vote for us’ without saying why we should.
      
      Trying to locate such information is very much in the ‘getting blood out of a stone’ category.
      
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      June 15, 2020 12:57pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Or you could use two clicks to find the following:
        
        https://www.national.org.nz/our-values
        
        Come on, it’s not difficult to locate any information these days, unless you prefer to remain uneducated and snipe from the sidelines.
        
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        June 15, 2020 3:17pm
    - Michael NZ
      
      Party vote David Seymour
      
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      June 15, 2020 1:12pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You should read the whole speech, or better yet, listen to it. This is the relevant part:
    
    “I have also come to see in adulthood, that which I did not see as a child; that there is a relationship between the Treaty promise of tino rangatiratanga and the importance the National Party places on the values of self-determination for individuals, families and communities. As prime minister, I will seek to advance those values.”
    
    In other words, stop playing the victim card and be responsible for your own decisions. I happen to agree.
    
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    June 15, 2020 12:37pm
    - david
      
      Muller is on a hiding to nothing trying to convince the lumpenproletariat that he is a thinking man’s Jacinda Ardern.
      His statement was too philosophical for the vast majority of punters. Political messages only seem to work when they are either blatantly obvious and are meaningful or appear to be through a cloud of smoke and mirrors but are absolute meaningless drivel that offer anything that could or would ever be delivered.
      Think 100,000 houses, 1 billion trees, elimination of poverdee, elimination of homelessness, kindness, fairydust and unicorns for the latter.
      It worked 3 years ago and will probably work again as we sit amongst the smoking ruins of an economy that at least offered those with ambition and energy, an opportunity to make better lives for themselves and their families. I’ve got $10 to say that I will not be able to write those word with any honesty in 3 years time if Labour get returned.
      
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      June 15, 2020 1:24pm
      - hilaryt
        
        David, well said. And Ardern exemplifies your points to a tee. As someone else here said, she’s untouchable for now and the election isn’t far enough away to make a difference. Millenials & enough swingers love her social media presence & she’ll hose in.
        
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        June 15, 2020 3:02pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Did it really work 3 years ago? If so, why were Labour comprehensively out-polled, and to this day have only 46 MPs to National’s 55.
        
        The reason Ardern was able to form a government was entirely due to one Winston Raymond Peters, the double-dipping pensioner from St Marys Bay, and his determination to inflict utu on the (admittedly useless) National hierarchy, and bugger the consequences for the country.
        
        Not because of her magic messaging, or smoke and mirrors. I’m prepared to give Muller a chance to win my Party vote, it’s more than 3 months until polling day.
        
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        June 15, 2020 3:24pm
RW Capitalist

Seem to remember a news article over the weekend
They showed a graph of special food grants from 2017 to 2019
2017….360000 (or so)
2019…almost 1000000
Pre covid 19?
So much for “fixing poverty”
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June 15, 2020 8:42am
- Ruawai
  
  When free stuff is offered more will come to claim it.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:19am
  - Michael NZ
    
    Ruawai
    Many more have needed it and massive amounts will be needed in the next 6-12 months
    
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    June 15, 2020 1:13pm
- GT Build
  
  Have you not been yet? I have seen BMW’s Audi’s etc. lined up at the local Marae
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:54am
G152

Evidently Sabby Jey and Kristin Paulse are actors.
Auditions can be a cruel place for those who for some reason dont attract the casting directors eye.
Happens all the time
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June 15, 2020 8:44am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Ah, but now you can blame it on the director’s wrongthink (racism/sexism/anti gay/wrong choice of play) instead of your failure to get the role.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:26am
- Paulus
  
  G152
  Actors or what they believe they’re actors – no wonder they were not good enough !
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:26am
  - G152
    
    Spent some time in the 70s treading the boards in repertory.
    Plenty of time backstage too.
    Seen the wannabes and neverweres go and never missed any of them…
    
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    June 15, 2020 12:51pm
  - chukar
    
    Actors ?
    Who paid them?
    
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    June 15, 2020 1:38pm
Don Beckett

A Ballad.
https://realclimatescience.com/2020/06/the-matt-briggs-ballad-of-fear/
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June 15, 2020 8:55am
Inandout

Hosking asks ‘is Peters the only normal one left’? Muller etc are as woke as hell, in fact National should be renamed Born Again Labour. I am resigned to the fact Peters will easily get over the 5%.
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June 15, 2020 8:58am
- Ruawai
  
  or Act might get over 5%
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:20am
- brett68
  
  I’m tossing up between Act and NZ First.
  National is a lost cause, fucked if I know why politicians like Judith Collins sticks with them.
  
  Maybe she should go join NZ First?
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:48am
  - Prince
    
    Well if you vote Peters you’ll get Ardern and the Greens for sure.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:01am
    - brett68
      
      Peters can be the handbrake, otherwise, it’s full-blown eco-socialism.
      
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      June 15, 2020 1:20pm
      - Prince
        
        Less a handbrake, more an expensive middle-man.
        
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        June 15, 2020 7:29pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I could never vote for NZF after what he did last time…..you seem to have a short memory….Winston gave us this mess.
    Vote Act if you cant vote National.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:22am
  - krazykiwi
    
    There is more integrity is a single utterance from David Seymore that can be found in four decades of prevarication from Winston Peters.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:26am
  - oldfella
    
    They’ll soon be looking for a ‘new’ Winston. But Judith leading NZF? Hmmm.
    Didn’t Don Brash try something like that? Move to a smaller party – ACT – but fail to gain the leadership?
    That ended very badly.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:41am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I think Judith should join Act. I think that would be good for both National and Act.
      
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      June 15, 2020 1:55pm
      - Nermal
        
        She’s patient. Her time will come. It just hasn’t got bad enough yet.
        
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        June 15, 2020 5:05pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Muller in the stuff article seems to be walking on a tightrope. Can’t say National wouldn’t accept treaty of w. That’s impossible for any serious party.
  
  But he seems to be hinting that individuals, families and communities are more important.
  
  It’s a hellish situation for any politician: keeping NZ unified and fair while increasingly strong groups identifying themselves as Maori and supported by white guilt types want a different political structure.
  
  Btw: The defunding police idea was supported in the Kim hill show by an extremist yesterday: basically ‘hand over the dough, stop police getting involved in things like domestic violence, and better ppl will deal with it by ‘deescalating’ “
  
  Remember decades ago when feminists desperately worked to get police to deal seriously with domestic violence a a nd arrest perps? Because it wasn’t being treated as real assault? So wtf now wanting the police out again??
  
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  June 15, 2020 11:28am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Maori prefer to beat their partners and children out of the glare of public view and unimpeded by the constabulary.
    
    It’s a cultural thing you see, us whiteys wouldn’t understand, and maaaoris can sort these minor matters out using cultural methods a.k.a. a boil-up and 40 crates of piss.
    
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    June 15, 2020 12:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Here’s something I can’t get my head around.
    
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/released-prisoner-misses-out-on-seeing-dying-wife-one-last-time-by-just-a-few-hours/ar-BB15rLoT?li=BBqdg4K&;ocid=spartanntp
    
    Corrections are being painted as the bad guys here…
    but the husband had a history of assaulting his wife.
    
    He had a few weeks to serve and his dying wife wanted him released.
    
    There seems to be no acknowledgement by the journalists here that this woman is a victim not of our laws, but of a violent repeat offender.
    https://thebeacon.co.nz/2018/08/court-news-criminal-reading/ (final item)
    
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    June 15, 2020 1:34pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Maggy, she is a victim of both. If she wants to forgive him before she died what harm would it do?
      
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      June 15, 2020 1:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s a tragic story… only partially covered in “the Hui” interview.
        
        He was able to skype and telephone his wife and several concessions were made to him.
        
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        June 15, 2020 3:27pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    “Remember decades ago when feminists desperately worked to get police to deal seriously with domestic violence a a nd arrest perps? Because it wasn’t being treated as real assault? So wtf now wanting the police out again??”
    
    Follow The Money. (Many of) them want the problem to remain / get worse, so their income is maintained / increased. Same as UNHCR.
    
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    June 15, 2020 2:28pm
MCos

Yesterday I went along with the family to Eden Park to watch Beuden and the boys sort out the capital rabble coached, among others, by King Carlos.
If you didn’t go/watch because you don’t like the name of the competition, Super Rugby Aotearoa, or T. J. Perenara, or you thought the local MP might make a speech or the players ‘take a knee’ (as the Americas like to say), well bad luck.
It was a great occasion, including a fly by by some clunky Air Force plane before the game and a ‘bubble’ fight at halftime.
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June 15, 2020 9:00am
- amospicton
  
  After the Dunedin game the previous night where there was a party political broadcast by Robertson before kickoff I feared the same (well, worse actually) before this game. Thankfully not, it was thankfully bereft of politics although Kirsty Stanway (sp?) couldn’t help herself at times.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:38am
- 3-coil
  
  What! Are you telling us that TJ Perenara confirmed his ugly racist bias by refusing to take a knee?!!! I suspected he was just a poseur pretender – I am now bitterly disappointed in him. He’s chopped liver.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:19am
- alex Masterley
  
  I also went to the game.
  A very pleasant evening with my lot.
  Good to see something resembling a good Auckland Rugby team.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:29am
  - Prince
    
    Auckland rugby team ? You’re kidding, right ?
    
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    June 15, 2020 10:58am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Full of all those Aucklanders, you know – Barrett, Carter, Otere Black et al.
      
      By my calculations no fewer than 13 of the 45-man squad are Aucklanders.
      
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      June 15, 2020 12:51pm
  - oldfella
    
    But what now? How much fun can supporters really get from a 5 team competition?
    If we are still stuck in our Kiwi bubble this time next year, might be time to abandon Super Rugby and set up a true provincial series. Worked in the past, could work again.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:45am
    - SGA
      
      Worked in the past, could work again.
      
      Once upon a time it worked, but by the late 1980s early 1990s, the provincial championship had become a hopelessly one-sided affair most years. The big centres (esp. Auckland) dominated proceedings and poached (bought, wink, wink) players from the lesser unions. There were experiments like the “Vikings” to try to even things out. The Super Rugby franchises might actually do a better job of making more even contests and spreading talent about the country than what the old provincial system had become.
      
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      June 15, 2020 7:09pm
- bruceavon
  
  Was a great game. Food etc appalling but really good atmosphere in the crowd. definitely different after being in lock down etc. Good to see Reiko back.
  
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  June 15, 2020 12:09pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    The food has been appalling since for-ever. I refuse to buy any of the food and I only buy drinks for the kids if they ask nicely, promise to do the dishes and tidy their rooms.
    
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    June 15, 2020 1:19pm
    - MCos
      
      Food at NZ sporting events has always been lacklustre and I always thought such was life until I went to an American MLB game.
      The stuff was far better than the pale imitation of traditional American fast food served up here.
      
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      June 15, 2020 3:58pm
Inandout

‘Moscow to host a second BLM protest today.
According to the event’s Facebook page, 24 people have responded going and 102 have said they are interested’.
No statues taken down, no violence, no looting…or else.
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June 15, 2020 9:13am
- emmess
  
  That’s what happens when Soros’s payments to Antifa are removed from the picture.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:32am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Or when he doubles them
    
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    June 15, 2020 10:56am
- old skool reactionary
  
  Russia and Eastern Europe are the last hold outs of White civilization and culture, where white people are actually proud and confident in their identity and history.
  
  Mean while in the West white women are literally getting down on their knees in front of belligerent black males recording them on smart phones.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:43am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Classical music in NZ is now largely an Asian pursuit though.
    
    I wish all this could be about individuals enjoying cultures and being interested in history whatever their race.
    
    The ppl who have made it be about race are the real racists now: identitarians.
    
    I’m losing all hope for a fair society where individuals have equal rights, can pursue training and cultural hobbies they find interesting and jobs are given on merit.
    
    Losing all hope.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:38am
  - Mike
    
    Are those white women still turning you down?
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:46am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Casual racism. Stay classy, Mike-O.
      
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      June 15, 2020 2:32pm
    - Two bob
      
      those ones Kneeling are mostly heinous landwhales. the blacks can keep them
      
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      June 15, 2020 9:53pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    osr: I see the MelonGreen and Moah-ri Parties have downticking trolls out and about infesting your accurate post.
    
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    June 15, 2020 2:30pm
Odakyu-sen

“Super Rugby Aotearoa”

“Aotearoa” is a stong virtue-signalling marker.

As a rough rule, if an organization’s name ends in “Aotearoa” you can be sure that it is very woke.
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June 15, 2020 9:19am
- Inandout
  
  Od, and very much government funded.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:31am
- MCos
  
  Would that include the Reserve Bank who have included the name on banknotes, Passport office, and so on and so forth.
  In the good old days, about a year ago, what is now referred to as ‘woke’ by the conservatives was labeled ‘pc’, until it became pc to be anti-pc.
  Very soon, I predict, it with be some sort of ‘woke’ not to be whatever it is that woke is now.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:49am
- cmm
  
  Very woke and about to go broke… except the taxpayer will make sure it is “sustainable”.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:25am
  - Mike
    
    Yeah, sold-out games are a sure sign of financial trouble.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:48am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I ignore any English language named entity with “Aotearoa” as part of the name. If it is a Maori entity I am totally fine with it for obvious reasons. But I am opposed to pidgin English in naming and in language and in broadcasting.
  
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  June 15, 2020 11:34am
  - Akarak
    
    Received a letter from Auckland with the words ‘Nga mihi’ showing in the window.
    Don’t know anyone by that name so threw it in the rubbish!
    
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    June 15, 2020 1:51pm
Bobba Fret

I think there should be harsh penalties for anyone defacing or purposely damaging statues.
Unfortunately there wont be.
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June 15, 2020 9:19am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Would the same standards apply to someone caught defacing or purposely damaging Maori carvings?
  What (if any) would be the mitigating circumstances?
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:32am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    As per trouts comment below, yes if someone defaces a Maori carving harsh penalties should apply and seem to.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:27am
    - chukar
      
      They are all protected under heritage laws.
      Any excavations in suspect areas have to be inspected.
      FYI
      
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      June 15, 2020 1:01pm
- Nookin
  
  Fat chance of that ever happening. The Prime Minister has already trivialised vandalism by saying it is not really a matter of concern for her but should be dealt with at Local Authority level. One would really have thought that the Prime Minister would take an interest in movements which, however well motivated, lead to criminal activity.
  It’s called leadership. Not “how can I best appeal to my elector base” nor “how can I avoid any controversy that might reflect badly on my image” and particularly “how can I avoid taking a stance on something controversial just before an election”?
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:08am
  - trout
    
    There are consequences for defacing (or castrating) a Maori carving.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=12252031
    
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    June 15, 2020 10:53am
  - lifesgood
    
    Stupid, stupid, woman. Does she not realise that the majority of NZers are of european heritage, that defacing their statues and history is offensive, that the maori hadn’t even invented the wheel so where would they be if no europeans had ever arrived here? And maori had aristocrat and slave tribes and ate their enemies. The silent majority also vote.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:28am
    - MCos
      
      Māori seem to have navigated across the Pacific Ocean hundreds of years before Abel Tasman and survived better in those years than they did subsequently until they came to grips with the different system imposed on them, including disease, firearms, religion, tax, obesity, alcohol and the missionary position.
      
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      June 15, 2020 4:18pm
      - Jack5
        
        Surprising that Maori didn’t colonise Australia, then, or what became Papua New Guinea and Indonesia.
        
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        June 15, 2020 8:43pm
      - MCos
        
        Same as me they thought this place will do us.
        
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        June 15, 2020 10:40pm
Swifty

Just what is it with lefties?

Create a (usually imaginary) problem then loudly announce that you are the only ones capable of solving it. Then, given the chance, seize the wealth of New Zealanders and give it to your political supporters while proudly proclaiming how much you’re doing to solve the problem. Then when challenged that the problem not only still exists, but is in fact getting worse, then double-down and repeat the whole cycle. Suddenly, 50 years have gone by, and the problem is still with us but now massively more entrenched and now with a huge bureaucracy in place to service the problem but not solve it.

A bureaucracy that of course has its own interests and doing themselves out of a job is not one of them.

So what we have with the CoL today is a modern equivalent of The Godfather’s Don Fanucci sauntering about the neighbourhood creating problems where none existed (“Gee, nice shop you have here, it’d be a shame if anything happened to it”) and ‘wetting his beak’ in any business or enterprise going on within his turf.

But of course, how would the NZ Labour Party, the unions and the wider NZ left portray this modern day extortion racket?

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Don Fanucci – The Beakwetter (and the real hero of The Godfather), as told by the NZ Labour Party:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT5bPEc7KEI
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June 15, 2020 9:22am
Critical Thinker

“My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilization, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can’t prove it, but you can’t disprove it either.” ― Christopher Hitchens

55% of Democrats want to defund the police ?

66% of Americans oppose this incredibly dangerous lunacy.

https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1271531819268222978
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June 15, 2020 9:22am
- cmm
  
  55% of Democrats say they want to defund the police to appear woke in front of their friends.
  
  On this issue the Shy Tory effect will be extending deep into Dem turf.
  
  They might not actually go vote for Trump, but not voting for Biden is, essentially, half a vote for Trump.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:45am
- Jules99
  
  I think Earth is the school project for some superior off-planet civilisation.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:59am
Tricati

When I turned on the tele to watch the Bules verses Hurricanes game on Sunday afternoon, I noticed an ad running (I had the sound muted), that showed Nelson Mandela, then Martin Luther-King, followed by Jacinda Ardern.
I was watching via Sky Go, so would be interested if anyone else saw it, and what it was about – The cynic in me wondered if it was a shameless piece of political grandstanding suggestions Ardern was in the same league as Mandela and Luther-King.
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June 15, 2020 9:27am
- cmm
  
  Ardern needs to murder a few more tens of thousands of people to get into Mandela’s league.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:47am
- seismac
  
  Exactly -you are not mistaken made me sick at the subtle advert for the “great leader’!!!!?????
  Guess we will have toput up with this until labour have to start paying for advert come next week
  
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  June 15, 2020 11:56am
I remember when

When they have got rid of all the inappropriate statues will they do the same thing with statutes?
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June 15, 2020 9:29am
- Akarak
  
  No, they’ll be too busy reprinting the school history books to replace such people as Captain Cook and fill the pages with praise and adulation for our glorious leader Captain’s Call Cook and Fry Ardern.
  
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  June 15, 2020 1:10pm
chukar

The only way Auckland Rugby can win anything is to steal our Southern coaches and players.

Money money money
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June 15, 2020 9:45am
- Prince
  
  Worse, many of these transfers were funded at least partly by NZ Rugby, in an attempt to shore up their largest market against the League threat.
  Quite how NZ Rugby explain this to, eg, Hurricane fans is beyond me. Taking their best player and to a large extent funding his transfer, leaving them without an experienced pivot, is anyone’s guess. Seems they don’t care, but in the long run it diminishes local enthusiasm for the competition.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:39am
  - Michael NZ
    
    His wife is from Auckland.
    Give them a break.
    It’s where they want to raise a family..
    
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    June 15, 2020 1:21pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      I went to where I could find work, to raise a family. That was second to where I preferred to live…
      
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      June 15, 2020 2:34pm
    - Prince
      
      So why did NZ Rugby fork out ?
      
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      June 15, 2020 7:33pm
- trout
  
  And all those Crusader and Highlander players with Polynesian names are good Southern men?
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:57am
- MCos
  
  Having lived in a number a locations around, not only NZ, but also elsewhere in the world, mainly to advance my career, quite frankly I don’t give a damn.
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:27pm
Maggie Pie

I can tell you one thing we learned last night that i thort worth sharing with the group –
Steve Jobs’ birth name was Abdul Lateef Jandali.

Just saying.
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June 15, 2020 9:47am
- MCos
  
  A lot of people change their name to make a statement or advance their career.
  John Wayne used to be Marion Morrison, which he probably thought didn’t gell with the image he wanted to project.
  Maybe Kareem Abdul-Jabbar thought Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor Jr. was too hard to pronounce.
  Some just don’t work like the cringey ‘Strike Force Raptor’ instead of Police Unit.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:06am
- Philview
  
  Steve Job’s birth dad was Syrian but he was adopted by an American family as a baby.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:07am
- Inandout
  
  MP yep.
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/steve-jobs-father/
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:21am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! We can’t wait to tell our friends in America.
    They all think he was one of them.
    
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    June 15, 2020 10:42am
    - IC5000
      
      Do you think that it will upset them? It this really a way to treat your friends if they really are your friends in the first place because real friends don’t go out of their way to do these kinds of things.
      
      Just saying.
      
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      June 15, 2020 11:04am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        You shouldn’t take yourself so seriously, IC.
        Everyone knows you’re an idiot 😀
        
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        June 15, 2020 12:43pm
      - IC5000
        
        Burn.
        
        Have you stopped imagining me in my underwear yet?
        
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        June 15, 2020 12:50pm
- Jack5
  
  Maggie Pie claims that Steve Jobs’ birth name was Abdykl Lateef Jandali. This is what Wikipedia says:
  
  Jobs was born to Joanne Schieble (later Joanne Simpson) and Abdulfattah “John” Jandali, two University of Wisconsin graduate students. The couple gave up their unnamed son for adoption.
  
  Steve Jobs is an interesting study on the effects of “nature v nurture”. His birth parents also had daughter, a full biological sister to Jobs – the successful novelist Mona Simpson. Their mother was a Swiss-German American and their father was a Syrian student in America.
  
  But Jobs was raised by an ordinary American family, in which his adopted dad was a hands-on home handyman and tinkerer who encouraged Jobs in his interests, which led to the Home Brew Computer Club, where he met his founding-partner in Apple, Steve Wozniak.
  
  Jobs ate in the restaurant owned by his Syrian birth father, but before he knew the man was his birth father.
  
  USA Today, in an article (link below) on the Jobs biography by Isaacson, says:
  
  Years later, Jobs would “bristle whenever anyone referred to Paul and Clara Jobs as his `adoptive’ parents or implied that they were not his `real’ parents,” Isaacson wrote. Jobs, who died in 2011, instead referred to his biological parents as “my sperm and egg bank.”
  
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/baig/2015/11/16/steve-jobs-biological-father-syrian-migrant-some-note/75899450/
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:22pm
G152

I’m waiting for the protesters to finally live in a law free environment and hopefully no-one is going in to rescue them for several months.
Should reduce the ‘problem’
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June 15, 2020 9:51am
- old skool reactionary
  
  When white people become a minority subjugated to non white majority rule is when you will experience a law free environment just like South Africa.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:45am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Nah, it’s about culture and political structure. Overlaps with race sometimes but not always. National shouldn’t put off the many hard-working, conservative, educated asians in NZ by making it about race.
    
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    June 15, 2020 12:30pm
  - IC5000
    
    > When white people become a minority subjugated to non white majority rule is when you will experience a law free environment just like South Africa.
    
    That’s where the jaapies fucked up. They wanted to use the blacks as low cost virtual slave labour to enrich themselves which necessitated violently subjugating people who didn’t dig that scene. If they had carved off a piece of South Africa for themselves, kept the blacks out and simply exploited their own people in the same manner there would be no issue except for poor whites complaining how police were shooting them in the streets for wanting human rights.
    
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    June 15, 2020 5:03pm
- alex Masterley
  
  There are some trying to do that in Seattle by creating an autonomous zone.
  They are experienceing some problems, as the homeless took all their food.
  
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  June 15, 2020 11:32am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Good: the anarchists can experience power vacuum, the communists can experience what happens without trade and production.
    
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    June 15, 2020 12:32pm
Akarak

A local paper HEADLINES the fact that Donald Trump has fired off on Twitter after footage emerged of the US President struggling to walk down a ramp, ‘igniting mockery on social media and speculation about his health’.
“The ramp that I descended after my West Point Commencement speech was very long & steep, had no handrail and, most importantly, was very slippery,” the 74-year-old had tweeted.
He also added that “the last thing I was going to do is ‘fall’ for the Fake News to have fun with. Final ten feet I ran down to level ground. Momentum!”
A classic case of Puerile ageism from junior reporters. Put anyone past 70 on the same ramp shown in that video and you’ll see the same reaction. Is this now defined as something to be mocked, raise concern of major health issues, be paraded as world shattering news or just another ‘orange man bad’ attack from self promoting ‘award winning’ journalists.
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June 15, 2020 10:04am
- Fletch
  
  Yet none of them saw fit to mock Hillary as she hobbled up and down ramps, teetering so much that she needed support even for a two step staircase.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:52am
  - Jules99
    
    Or when she collapsed at a 9/11 memorial and had to be carried into a van (some say her medi-van).
    
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    June 15, 2020 10:55am
- Jules99
  
  Did the same media mock Nancy Pelosi for being unable to stand up after doing the knee for BLM. No, I thought not.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:54am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Hang on. That is the same President who has used peurile ageism to attack his opponent.
  
  As the now banned Basil Fawlty said, “But you started it. You invaded Poland.”
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:56am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Fawlty got unbanned. Keep up.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:52am
  - Mike
    
    His fan boys can hardly expect to spend years bashing the alleged infirmities of his opponents and have no blowback.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:52am
  - Akarak
    
    Yes. But what he states are based on fact. Biden is showing all of the symptoms of age related dementia. Now try and find that in our MSM.
    
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    June 15, 2020 12:55pm
    - Mike
      
      I don’t think a guy who shuffles down a ramp and struggles to drink a glass of water with one hand will get much mileage attacking the alleged incapacities of his opponent.
      
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      June 15, 2020 2:24pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Trump shows all the signs of fronto-temporal dementia. The first signs were there in 2015. It’s now accelerating to physical symptoms that he is unable to hide. You could see it at the Arlington ceremony, at the SpaceX launch, then again (twice) at West Point.
      
      You should go back and watch the interviews he did in 2015 when he announced his campaign, and compare them to his speeches today (the West Point one is a good example). He was always an arsehole, but he was an eloquent arsehole. Now he speaks in a monotone, struggles to say words (MacGarther etc), and his unscripted speech is just a word salad that makes no sense.
      
      Any idea that Biden has dementia – of which he shows no apparent signs – is just projection and “Look, a squirrel”.
      
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      June 15, 2020 5:27pm
      - IC5000
        
        I went back to a campaign speech in 2016 and then checked out the west point one. There is a significant difference in delivery. At one point during he puts himself in this weird position and start moving his head up and down somewhat akin to how Indians do it. I haven’t watched much of trump at all on TV as I don’t actually own one. I’ve literally heard him speak for around 15 minutes in the past 3 years although I did catch some of his episodes of the apprentice. He does seem really odd compared to his old days. Less coherent and put together, rambling almost. Age tend to do that but it’s concerning how much he’s declined.
        
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        June 15, 2020 7:24pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    SG: Could you and Mike get a room away from here? Happiness all round would ensue.
    
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    June 15, 2020 2:36pm
- secondcumming
  
  I thought it was *Donald Brash* who still owned that one 😎
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10517024/A-picture-tells-a-thoudand-words
  
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  June 15, 2020 11:08am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I thought it was Bread
    
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    June 15, 2020 5:26pm
Swifty

What is it with this ongoing infantilisation of NZ society and speech?

“Dr Siouxsie” speaks:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300034828/coronavirus-dr-siouxsie-wiles-on-covid19-elimination

For my lifetime it has always been Dr (Last name) and, I’m afraid, it’s a convention I’ll be sticking with.

The only Dr (Firstname) I’ve ever used is, of course, Dr John, The Night Tripper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ueNU4x85A0

🙂
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June 15, 2020 10:42am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Yeah, I blame Dr Phil. He started this nonsense.
  
  To be fair, it is only in the short headlines on the front page. The actual article refers to Doctor Wiles by her full name.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:58am
- Pharmachick
  
  In Middle Eastern countries and also India it is a very common form of address to use Dr. [first name].
  
  New Zealand has tended towards the Westminster tradition of post-secondary education which uses Dr. [last name] or, in my case Professor [last name] (and Prof supersedes Dr.).
  
  In the North American system all tenure track/tenured academics use professor (little p) to describe themselves (as in “I’m a university professor”), but in most other systems Professor may only be used if you have been granted a departmental (Head off Dept.) or Personal Chair, which not everybody gets.
  
  Its all pretty arcane stuff. In my case even my undergrads call me by my first name. The Prof./Dr. form of address should only be used on formal occasions (or when taking the Mickey out of ones colleagues).
  
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  June 15, 2020 11:23am
  - Pharmachick
    
    LOL 3 downticks for a factual post (apart from the tongue in cheek thing about teasing one’s colleagues)… KBers this COVID thing is really getting to y’all.
    
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    June 15, 2020 1:54pm
- Roy
  
  How do I lodge a complaint with the ?? Council
  regarding Stuff & NZ Herald continually incorrectly refering to the Pink haired lady
  
  They refer to her as Infectious Deseases expert/specialist blah blah
  Public Health expert blah blah
  
  She is Not.
  She is a microbiologist with a speciality about “”germs”” that glow in the dark
  
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  June 15, 2020 12:18pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    This is anti-academic, tall poppy stuff at its worst.
    
    Microbiologists study microbes – i.e. micro-organisms including but not limited to bacteria, viruses, diatoms etc.
    
    Infectious diseases are in the most part caused by the above (the exception being what are colloquially known as “macro-parasites” think: malaria, leishmania, amoebae and others).
    
    By definition an outstanding microbiologist (e.g. one that is an Associate Prof at AKL Uni, ranked 84 in the world according to QS rankings this week), is an infectious disease expert.
    
    I know you guys don’t like her (for whatever reasons) but TRY to play the ball and not the (wo)man.
    
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    June 15, 2020 3:01pm
  - IC5000
    
    Being an infectious disease specialist is not a legally protected title like RN or pharmacist so you are pissing in the wind.
    
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    June 15, 2020 5:07pm
Fletch

I think I may have to stop watching the news for a couple of days. This BLM and protest stuff is actually making me very, very angry and tense.
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June 15, 2020 10:54am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  That’s probably a good idea. Perhaps you could go talk to somebody about the feeling this is bringing up for you. Could be some nasty memory from the past.
  
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  June 15, 2020 10:59am
  - Mike
    
    Another triggered snowflake.
    
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    June 15, 2020 11:53am
- Random T Person
  
  Several mates at a get-together Saturday said just the same thing, tuning out of the endless BLM/COVID ‘news’ bullshit.
  
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  June 15, 2020 11:22am
- lifesgood
  
  I haven’t watched the news or bought a newspaper for years. I listen to the short radio bulletins to know what’s going on. That’s enough and I have perfect blood pressure.
  
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  June 15, 2020 1:03pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I’d keep watching to see if community spreading is a thing in that mob of projecting mouth-breathers.
  
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  June 15, 2020 2:37pm
Swifty

More cowardice from the NZ Labour Party:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121828563/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-passes-fate-of-colonial-statues-to-councils

For decades Labour has waded into local issues and with relish when they think it to their advantage.

It’s funny you only hear from them “it’s a local issue” when they fear it is to their disadvantage to become involved.

Two-faced cowardice.
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June 15, 2020 10:57am
Maggie Pie

I’m still not sure Sid Muller’s getting any traction yet.
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June 15, 2020 11:14am
lifesgood

Simon Gotlieb on duty this morning. Must be his turn.
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June 15, 2020 11:22am
chaos

Defund the police, whoops

* Truck drivers refuse to deliver to cities with defunded police departments

77 percent of truckers say they refuse to deliver to cities with defunded police departments out of safety concerns, according to a new poll; D&D Trucking owner Dale Bowen weighs in.*

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6164031174001#sp=show-clips
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June 15, 2020 11:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Looks like those in the autonomous zone in Seattle are gonna starve
  
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  June 15, 2020 12:27pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Is that a problem? I just want to watch the fun.
    
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    June 15, 2020 1:21pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No problem – some of those fat bastards could do with losing weight, especially the tank division
      
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      June 15, 2020 2:31pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        “Meal Team Six”.
        
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        June 15, 2020 2:39pm
  - Two bob
    
    have you seen ground level footage there. just looks like a hippy/comicon cross festival of white people on lots of drugs.
    the amount of larpers there is halarious, the drugged out black ppl with machetes not so much.
    
    the whole place is graffiti to the max, white people have to pay 10bux to blacks and an american flag or maga hat gets you a beating or a forced tongue kiss by a gay guy.
    
    seriously donald trump needs to go tienamen square on them. dont waste rubber bullets just use real ones, chaz has already made multiple declarations of war so give it too them.
    
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    June 15, 2020 5:49pm
LTA1955

On a very positive note, hydrogen fuel is gathering steam to power the future after Elon Musk goes into bankruptcy
https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Fuel-Cells/Hydrogen-Fuel-Economy-Is-Finally-Going-Mainstream.html
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June 15, 2020 11:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

14th June in the US. Flag Day, and Trump’s Birthday.
Patriotic Americans.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/06/12/trump-supporters-plan-jacksonville-boat-rally-for-presidents-birthday/
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June 15, 2020 11:31am
burt

Comrades, we’ve been neglecting this desperate attention whore. She shouldn’t need to make such claims to have us all drop what we are doing and listen to her.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300034828/coronavirus-dr-siouxsie-wiles-on-covid19-elimination
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June 15, 2020 11:31am
lifesgood

Who the hell made the decision to rename the Captain Cook Hotel in Dunedin. What a moron. Well that’s one place I won’t be drinking at.
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June 15, 2020 11:32am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This coronavirus is the strangest virus I’ve ever heard of. It’s very dangerous in the way it spreads. It is so mysterious the way it lurks in schools, but then dies at Home Depot. It can wreak havoc in churches; praying people are exceptionally vulnerable! Although it’s mind-boggling how it vanishes when people stand close together holding signs, destroying businesses, homes, property, monuments, etc. Yet, standing to watch a marathon or a concert triggers its wrath. It is sneaky. It can spread when buying clothes at Kohl’s but not at Target. It is non-alcoholic. It can’t spread when you are buying beer. It lives for two days on Amazon boxes, you must wait 48 hours to touch them but it can’t survive on Dunkin Donuts coffee cups, so enjoying a hot cup of joe is safe. It is the most curious thing, how it lives on basketballs, baseball bats and ballet bars, but dies on WWE ropes and Walmart shopping carts. It is spread by hair stylists, dog groomers, and dentists, but not by bank tellers, cashiers, and fast food workers. It’s so smart. It won’t bother the first 10 people gathered but it knows when the 11th person shows up, so be careful if that’s you.! It even knows what you want vs. what you need. If you want a massage or your nails done it is very actively on the prowl and not even a mask can stop it, but if you need a plumber, it is weak, and a mask will keep it away.

It also seems to be most dangerous after 5:30pm so businesses must start to close before the virus comes out of hiding and wreaks havoc upon the populations. It also requires dine-in restaurants to have a shorter menu and you use real plates but only plastic forks and spoons. Whoever heard of such a clever, sneaky virus?!?
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June 15, 2020 11:52am
- Maggie Pie
  
  O.M.G. – these are sooo cute!
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1271592080616415232/kWcwMoP3?format=jpg&name=small
  
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  June 15, 2020 11:58am
Harriet

“….Footage shows Mr Somyurek on April 13 withdrawing $2000 in cash from an ATM, before handing it and dozens of party membership forms, to an adviser working for fellow Labor minister Marlene Kairouz, who then delivers the forms and cash to ALP head office.

“Well, if he (the adviser) gets caught on the street, he’d better not say he’s doing f***ing this stuff,” Mr Somyurek is recorded saying after the April 13 drop.
Mr Somyurek is also recorded ordering people to forge signatures and create false statements, in which Labor branch members claim to have paid for their own memberships.

In the recordings, Mr Somyurek also takes aim at his colleagues including Ms Kairouz, who he describes as holding a “meaningless” portfolio “made up just to make it look like we’re interested in the suburbs”.
He labels the Minister for Women and the Prevention of Family Violence Gabrielle Williams a “stupid bitch” whom he will “f***ing force … out of the ministry”.
Mr Somyurek also describes these young staffers helping him as “patronising and annoying”, and “real little f***ing slimy little f***ers, little passive-aggressive f***ing gay kids”.’
The premier isn’t immune to the criticism either.
“F*** the Premier,” Mr Somyurek says in one recording.
The allegations come after Mr Andrews welcomed his “very good friend” Mr Somyurek back to the frontbench after the resounding 2018 election win.
Mr Somyurek had been dumped from cabinet in 2015 over allegations of bullying made by his then chief of staff…..”

That Vic Labour MP is definitely getting fired and going to jail. 😎
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June 15, 2020 11:58am
- Stephen Russell
  
  Long, fascinating article at:
  https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/f-k-the-premier-labor-s-secret-tapes-reveal-industrial-scale-stackathon-20200614-p552g2.html
  
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  June 15, 2020 12:36pm
- Paulus
  
  He will not go to Jail – this is the Socialist State of Victoria where anybody can be bought off.
  
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  June 15, 2020 2:11pm
  - Nickc2
    
    He won’t even go to trial in Victoria. Their Labor Party own the Police.
    
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    June 15, 2020 7:30pm
oldfella

Wow, this guy should be mayor of Hamilton.
Has insisted he ‘… will not take down statues of controversial, colonial-era figures as has happened in some other countries in recent weeks’.
Got my vote!
https://apnews.com/8825a7fce7d07e4d91b4d248fa411a8a
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June 15, 2020 12:01pm
Swifty

Focke Wulf 190 versus Spitfire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDeglorsv_8
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June 15, 2020 12:02pm
- Jack5
  
  Magnificent. But very white. Should have had a boomerang in there.?
  
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  June 15, 2020 2:08pm
- stigie
  
  I reckon the Spitfire was at 3 quarter throttle so the Focke could keep up Swifty..?
  Great viewing though !~
  
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  June 15, 2020 2:47pm
  - Jack5
    
    This source suggests the 20,000 FW190s were the best fighter aircraft of World War 2.
    
    https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2019/01/09/the-focke-wulf-fw-190-best-fighter-aircraft-of-wwii/
    
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    June 15, 2020 3:43pm
    - Swifty
      
      This is quite good:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egY4o8cWWMM
      
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      June 15, 2020 7:17pm
      - Jack5
        
        Two very interesting videos. Thank you Swifty.
        
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        June 15, 2020 8:35pm
chaos

Hmmm copied from stuff before they correct it

* Labour reveals dresh-faced party list for 2017 election*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300034942/labour-reveals-dreshfaced-party-list-for-2017-election
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June 15, 2020 12:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wow…
  newbies much higher up on the list than Paul Eagle, Liz Craig, Tamati Coffey…
  
  Louisa Wall has got a fairly safe listing..
  
  I wonder if there’s going to be some discontent in the ranks.
  
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  June 15, 2020 1:53pm
- Garbageman
  
  auto corrected from Dreck-faced i assume
  
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  June 15, 2020 1:58pm
Fletch

Political correctness is leading society towards a new ‘era of tyranny’

Rowan Dean on Sky NEWS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCBHuaHfuvo
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June 15, 2020 12:06pm
oldfella

Following on from BLM protests in the US – ‘Black TRANS Lives Matter’. Or BTLM.
Isn’t a BTL a sandwich? Never mind.
Can’t wait for the idea to catch on here.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/thousands-black-trans-lives-matter-protesters-gather-outside-brooklyn-museum-gov-cuomo-threatens-party-goers-hamptons-violating-social-distancing/
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June 15, 2020 12:07pm
- oldfella
  
  This might be one of the Black Trans Lives that matters. The racist kind.
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/loreal-gets-woke-rehires-black-transgender-model-previously-went-racist-tirade/
  
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  June 15, 2020 12:09pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  BLT is the sammie 🙂
  
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  June 15, 2020 2:41pm
  - oldfella
    
    EH, kinda knew that, but everything is mixed up these days.
    I’m sure a BTL sandwich would be… interesting. If you’re into that kind of thing. 😉
    
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    June 15, 2020 4:17pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      True dat oldfella. Luckily for my serology results, I’m sticking with BLT :-).
      
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      June 15, 2020 8:14pm
chaos

I missed this, wonder what happened, last I read she was looking at taking legal action

* Labour MP Louisa Wall has withdrawn at the eleventh hour from Labour’s selection battle for the Manurewa seat.

Instead Wall will be a list-only candidate for the 2020 election.

She was facing a tough challenge for the Manurewa seat, which will be selected tomorrow.*
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June 15, 2020 12:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She settled quietly … has been given a fairly high place on the Labour List.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/417896/labour-party-mp-louisa-wall-withdraws-her-nomination-for-manurewa
  
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  June 15, 2020 1:55pm
  - chaos
    
    I must of been asleep that week, thanks Maggy
    
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    June 15, 2020 4:31pm
chaos

Without covid she wouldn’t even be selected, one seat below pretend health minister David Clark.

* Infectious disease specialist Dr Ayesha Verrall, who was a go-to voice during Covid-19 pandemic, has been giving a prominent spot on Labour’s list.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12339921
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June 15, 2020 12:14pm
- Paulus
  
  Dr (real) Verrall ? –
  Never heard of her !
  
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  June 15, 2020 2:13pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Where’s Siouxie?
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:51pm
  - chaos
    
    Waiting for greens to call her
    
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    June 15, 2020 5:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Donald Trump is SO far behind in the polls, it reminds me if the night he won the Election
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June 15, 2020 12:25pm
- virtualmark
  
  June is still a long way from November. But in 2016 Trump stayed within 2.5% of Hilary the whole way. In 2020 he’s something like 8%-9% behind Biden.
  
  It’s quite likely that if the Presidential election were held today then Trump would get at best 40% of the vote. History shows that even an absolutely terrible Presidential candidate (like Hoover in 1932, or McGovern in 1972) still gets about 37%-38% of the vote … and gets all but swept in the Electoral College.
  
  That’s Trump’s fate in November unless he can pull a big rabbit out of the hat.
  
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  June 15, 2020 5:32pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘But in 2016 Trump stayed within 2.5% of Hilary the whole way. ‘
    
    That’s not true
    
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    June 15, 2020 5:58pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      @AoR @ 5:58PM
      
      That’s not true[.]
      
      Maybe, maybe not, but the rest of virtualmark’s comment is – as I suspect you fear. vm could also have included the 1964 election—
      
      Lyndon Johnson-Hubert Humphrey (D):
      
      47,129,040 votes; 61.05%; 486 EC votes.
      
      Barry Goldwater-William Miller (R):
      
      27,175.754 votes; 38.47%; 52 EC votes. (Goldwater-Miller won only six states.)
      
      No presidential candidate has lost the popular vote, but won in the Electoral College, twice. Trump will not pull that one off again. He must win the popular vote, but almost certainly is not going to.
      
      I agree with virtualmark: Trump will be “swept in the Electoral College […] unless he can pull a big rabbit out of the hat.”
      
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      June 15, 2020 6:39pm
  - Mike
    
    Even more important than the overall head-to head polling, there has been a very bad (for Trump) recent series of polls in the swing states.
    
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    June 15, 2020 6:22pm
Jack5

The Christchurch Press is almost apologising for not calling for removal of “colonial” statues, including that of the founder of Canterbury, John Robert Godley.

It reports the Leftist City Council’s official view, which is made in joint statement with the leader of the local tribe, Ngai Tahu.

The incompetent Mayor, Dalziel, and her spendaholic council, brought in the unelected Ngai Tahu when announcing policy on statues in the city. Almost certainly Ngai Tahu are a minority of Maori in Christchurch, where Maori themselves are a fairly small minority.

Christchurchers, please get behind councillor Sam McDonald in his campaign to rein in the mad spending of the Dalziel council mob at the next election. The city council is paying salaries to 554 of its staff – about a quarter of the total – of more than $100,000 a year. Then there are the mad projects that won’t make a buck, and the bloody endless cycle lanes and bus lanes.

Up and down the country, local bodies are where the Leftist Woke are eroding the political timber like infestations of borer. Time for the non-Woke to take back local bodies.
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June 15, 2020 12:28pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Jack: A number of changes must first be made in Christchurch.
  
  1) The Right must put up an electable mayoral candidate, every time, and vigorously contest each and every mayoral election.
  
  2) The Right must organise themselves into an easily-recognisable political grouping. For right-leaning candidates to call themselves ‘Independent’, or, in a couple cases, ‘Independent Citizens’, just won’t cut it, especially against a seemingly well-organised ‘The People’s Choice – Labour’ grouping.
  
  3) The people of Christchurch must rid themselves of the 16 single-seat FPP wards, and replace them with a city-wide election, by STV. If a city-wide election is seen, initially, as a step too far, then I would recommend reducing the number of councillors to 15, and electing them from three 5-seat wards, by STV. Yes, that would mean reorganizing the Community Board structure, but would that matter? I think not.
  
  Until these basic changes are made, people such as yourself are going to continue to be unhappy with your mayor and councillors.
  
  On the other hand, if the above changes are made and the people of Christchurch continue to elect a left-leaning mayor and a majority left-leaning council, then right-leaning people will just have to try harder, or accept that they live in a left-leaning city – until the political landscape changes (for whatever reason).
  
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  June 15, 2020 6:12pm
oldfella

Great article on the dangers posed by woke lefties.
A good read with lots of links. And this warning…
— ‘In 1793, the Committee of Public Safety took charge of the French Revolution on a promise to “make terror the order of the day.” Evidence-free show trials and ideological purges followed, consistent with the radical leaders’ belief that public safety requires public terror. Needless to say, critics of today’s radicals do not live in terror of being sentenced to the guillotine. But losing employment and social standing is no small matter.’
https://reason.com/2020/06/12/protesters-activists-shor-floyd-1793-project/
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June 15, 2020 12:29pm
chaos

Interesting this caused riots. As it shows he takes the officers taser gun and tries to shoot the officer

Warning, may offend some or be too graphic for some

* Rayshard Brooks shooting police bodycam footage from Wendy’s parking lot in Atlanta*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdpG2XzRXQ
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June 15, 2020 12:30pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Caution about this… Brooks was running away as he is shot. The end was caught on Wendy’s CCTV and not on the cop’s cam.
  
  Personally I find the rapid escalation from Brooks being asleep in the passenger seat of his own car very, very disturbing.
  
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  June 15, 2020 2:04pm
Swifty

“The Labour Party has announced its party list for the 2020 election, unveiling a fresh-faced line up, with new candidates Ayesha Verrall, Vanushi Walters, and Camilla Belich, and Ibrahim Omer getting winnable spots.”

Omer say (pre-Covid): “As a former refugee who got the second chance in this beautiful country, I would like to add my voice to the thousands of Kiwis across the country who are calling on our Government to double the refugee quota.”

Post Covid, I would hope Mr Omer would now come out and say that “given the changed situation, I now call on the NZ government to freeze or lower the refugee quota to maximise the chance of New Zealanders to gain unemployment and also so that additional burdens are not put on taxpayers, our schools, our health system and our housing – which as we know have all been in crisis.”
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June 15, 2020 12:32pm
oldfella

Lefties in the US want to tear down The Alamo. Yep, The Alamo.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/06/dont-mess-with-the-alamo-historic-alamo-under-protection-from-violent-protesters/
Will the ghost of Davy Crockett, with his musket, stand with the modern day defenders? Or Jim Bowie with his knife?
Hell, pilgrim, even the ghost of John Wayne, who once directed a 1960 movie about The Alamo, might make a comeback? 😉
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June 15, 2020 12:55pm
- Mike
  
  Fun fact: a principal cause of the Texas Revolution was resistance to Mexico’s abolition of slavery.
  
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  June 15, 2020 2:29pm
  - Jack5
    
    Encylopedia Brittancia says, in part, of the Texas war:
    
    ” ….though Mexico had banned slavery in 1829, it allowed American immigrant slaveholders to keep their slaves.
    
    AND:
    
    “In April 1830, wary of the rapidly swelling deluge of immigrants from the United States, the Mexican government legislated against further settlement in Coahuila and Texas by Anglo-Americans.”
    
    So it was the opposite of present population flow: the Mexicans wanted to shut out the Anglos.
    
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Texas-Revolution
    
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    June 15, 2020 8:58pm
Michael NZ

MAGA both The Donald and Adhern.
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June 15, 2020 1:32pm
Inandout

NBR finally gone. I predict the DomPost is next.
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June 15, 2020 1:55pm
- Jack5
  
  The best chance for Stuff’s newspapers will be if the organisation is split up.
  
  In some cities, newspapers like the Christchurch Press and the Waikato Times might survive as free weeklies or bi-weeklies, providing low-cost advertising to local businesses.
  
  If not Right wing, they would at least lean far less to the Left.
  
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  June 15, 2020 3:27pm
Durden

The Labour Party has announced its party list for the 2020 election, unveiling a fresh-faced line up, with new candidates Ayesha Verrall.

Ayesha Verrall of Otago University ? This is a terrible look and smacks of nepotism and cronyism. Any advice she gave regarding the suitability of otherwise of the contact tracing system during the Covid lockdown is totally questionable.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300034942/labour-reveals-freshfaced-party-list-for-2020

Ashley Bloomfield can be now seen as a toady, equally weak and complicit if he knowingly accepted her advice. His job was to get “independent advice” — any perception of independence just went out the window.
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June 15, 2020 2:00pm
- Johnboy
  
  Hey I feel your pain. I got dumped for two weeks for making a politically unacceptable comment here on how I perceive our elected/appointed overseers.
  The election is stacked by Helen’s little acolyte. She has had the sheer luck of making dodgy decisions pay off by utter chance.
  The populace luv her! 🙂
  Wait for three years till the economic reality of her knee jerk stuff and the harsh stench of unemployment hit the peasantry in the hip pocket and then see what her ratings are like.
  
  Meanwhile…..Todd …..KYAGB. 🙂
  
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  June 15, 2020 3:15pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  List MMP’s have to go.
  
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  June 15, 2020 3:55pm
  - IC5000
    
    Maybe starting a petition would be a good idea then?
    
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    June 15, 2020 5:11pm
    - Mike
      
      LOL
      
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      June 15, 2020 6:28pm
Johnboy

Kirikiriroa means ‘Long stretch of gravel’ in Te Reo.
Surely ‘gravel’ should be spelled ‘grovel’ for the incumbent Mayor and Councilors of the River City? 🙂
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June 15, 2020 2:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Err, that would be ‘fountain city’ They had a competition and the name fountain city won. Then they had to build the Founder’s Theatre with fountains coz they had none. Hamilton was fucked up then way back in the late 60s. I grew up there.
  Shut up! It’s not funny!
  
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  June 15, 2020 3:56pm
I remember when

Does the attack on statues of historical dignitaries say as much about the diminishing numbers in history classes, as it does about Black Lives Matter.
Never let your lack of knowledge stop you from removing/destroying a statue.
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June 15, 2020 3:18pm
Paulus

Pleased to read that Midwives & Associates who worked during the Virus shutdown are to receive a cheque for $2,500 each for their extraordinary services – not sure how you stop pregnant women producing but great fortune to them.
The report does not say that this $2,500 is tax free but to state a cheque for this amount surely represents tax free basis.
Could this be considered an Election Expense for the Labour -(sic) Party ?
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June 15, 2020 3:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Election Expense of course. But is it buying votes? Would Labour do such an underhand thing?
  You bet your arse they will, and do
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:50pm
  - Jack5
    
    Midwives are probably mostly Labour supporters anyway.
    
    Revival of midwifery was a feminist goal. If they had waited until now, when more than half of medical graduates are female, NZ women might have had, instead of midwives, a big number of female obstetricians.
    
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    June 15, 2020 9:01pm
Johnboy

Whatever happened to that absolutely magnificent statue of Kupe that used to sit in the foyer of the once grand old Wellington railway station?
I realise it bore as much resemblance to reality as the grasp on history of most of our local BLM protestors however it would be such a shame to dynamite it for the sake of cultural cleansing. 🙂
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June 15, 2020 3:34pm
- Mike
  
  You don’t get out much, do you Johnboy. The statue was a plaster cast made for the 1940 centennial Exhibition. Some years ago, it was finally cast in bronze and placed in a prominent spot on the waterfront, near Whairepo Lagoon.
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:25pm
  - Johnboy
    
    No I don’t really these days Mike. I get just so confused where the whuck some of these newly invented whucking places like whoar example…Whairepo whucking Lagoon actually is. 🙂
    Somewhere up near Funganui I guess? 🙂
    
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    June 15, 2020 5:01pm
    - Mike
      
      Google maps may be of some help.
      
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      June 15, 2020 6:24pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s that stinking pond in front of the Star Rowing Club, Taranaki Wharf.
      
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      June 15, 2020 7:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Boom!
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hey lefties, should the Pyramids be torn down because they were built by slaves?
Asking for a friend
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June 15, 2020 4:10pm
- Mike
  
  They weren’t built by slaves, so you can stop worrying about that.
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Err Mike. There were farmers who did that when they could not farm (global warming flooding) I gues the flooding is how they shipped the stones???
    They did get fed but they did not get paid for the labour. That is slavery, but not in your book.
    Up in flames again with your diversary bullshit Mike
    
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    June 15, 2020 4:58pm
- chaos
  
  What about the slavery in the Labour Party
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93955534/labour-party-brings-in-unpaid-overseas-students
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:27pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Not your mummy by any chance?
  
  😀 😀 😀
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:43pm
- MCos
  
  And the White House
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:46pm
- Two bob
  
  what about the coloseum?
  
  Slaves went there for one purpose, to get slaughtered.
  
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  June 15, 2020 5:58pm
big bruv

National can win the next Election, even allowing for the uninspiring leadership duo of Todd Who and Comrade Kaye. To do so however they have to think completely outside the box.
The way they win the next election is by postponing it.
If the Nat’s were to draft a piece of legislation that immediately increased the term of government to four years (three years has never been long enough anyway) they could then wait for the full economic carnage that will follow Cindy’s appalling handling of Covid 19 to hit home. You are guaranteed support from Winston as it allows him time to rise in the Polls, read same for the stinking Greens. The only party that would be against it would be ACT and perhaps Labour.
One thing is sure, if there is an election in September it will be a blood bath, Cindy may well be able to govern on her own, the prospect of that should make all Kiwis break out in a cold sweat.
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June 15, 2020 4:34pm
- barnacle bill
  
  @big bruv
  
  the prospect of that should make all Kiwis break out in a cold sweat.
  
  Why would those supporting Labour break out in a sweet BB ?
  
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  June 15, 2020 4:51pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Three years is far too long when it delivers a COL with a PM selected by Winston.
  We have virtually no other safeguard but to chuck them out.
  
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  June 15, 2020 5:53pm
Swifty

The lefties on Auckland Council now find themselves in a pickle:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/121826659/living-wage-campaigners-hand-petition-to-auckland-mayor-demanding-he-keep-pledge

Good job.
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June 15, 2020 4:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern seems to be unaware of the fact that she is the Minister of Culture & Heritage.

https://mch.govt.nz/our-ministers#:~:text=Rt%20Hon%20Jacinda%20Ardern%2C%20Minister%20for%20Arts%2C%20Culture%20and%20Heritage

Asked about pulling down statues in New Zealand, or if there were any street or town names she would want to change, Ardern told Newstalk ZB:

“Thankfully, of all the things that are my job, that is not one of them.

“That is totally up to local councils, so not something I have given any thought to.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121828563/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-passes-fate-of-colonial-statues-to-councils

If matters of culture & heritage are now Local Body matters, then it’s time to defund Manatū Taonga, the Ministry for Culture and Heritage.

pers. disclosure
(ex- Min Culture & Heritage (2005-2008)
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June 15, 2020 4:52pm
- Mike
  
  I thought it might be a job for the NZ Geographic Board – part of LINZ.
  
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  June 15, 2020 5:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Did you see that? a squirrel”
  Jacinda Ardern, the Prime Minister. HEY!!! Look at me when I am talking
  
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  June 15, 2020 5:05pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s also a matter for the Police.
  Time the law was respected. I have never heard a NZ PM before have such contempt for upholding the laws which is the substance of any govt.
  
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  June 15, 2020 5:51pm
surfing

A walkway is a project of national importance?

See how many trucks can use it!!

Surely walkways and cycleways might be nice, but they don’t add to national productivity.

Lets just pay some artists billions of dollars to make some artwork, it will of equal benefit to the country as a walkway!!
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June 15, 2020 5:10pm
- Johnboy
  
  As long as it isn’t statues of old Honky fullas aye bro. 🙂
  
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  June 15, 2020 5:30pm
Swifty

Awesome!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121834937/fiordland-venison-redirected-to-foodbank-freezers

Well done Fiordland Wapiti Foundation.
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June 15, 2020 5:40pm
chaos

* A look into the domestic terror organization ANTIFA and how it is attempting to take over the current peaceful protests of the George Floyd death.*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJEZbQxCLw&feature=emb_logo

And

* A social media post by a member of the Washington National Guard has been shared more than 7000 times since it was written on June 12th. It’s a true education in mob mentality.*

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/06/daisy-luther/an-eye-witnesss-shocking-account-of-whats-really-happening-during-the-seattle-riots/
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June 15, 2020 5:45pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121832768/church-condemns-politicising-parish-sign-posted-outside-mastertons-st-patricks-church

A church has a sign saying that “All Lives Matter”, and the NZ Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon responds by saying
“it would be provocative to post “All Lives Matter” on a public noticeboard.”.

But apparently it is OK to post “Black Lives Matter” all over the place.

Jesus wept ! Where the hell are we living these days ? Wonderland ?
Time to get rid of this idiot Meng Foon, as well as the post of “Race Relations Commissioner”: we have had nothing but PC crap from that position, and I think that Susan Devoy would have been the worst.

National: win us the next election and then rid us of these appalling entities.
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June 15, 2020 6:39pm
- brett68
  
  If you asked Muller he’d tell you they’re doing a great job.
  
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  June 15, 2020 6:46pm
- quarterpack
  
  The position of Race Relations Conciliator pays 250k a year, an expectation of the role is to spout “PC crap” as it is in the job description. There should no surprises in this for anyone
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:58pm
Swifty

Some say the only BLM video you need to see:

https://www.facebook.com/OzraeliAviYemini2020/videos/2661811180805124

(I hope the link works….)
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June 15, 2020 6:44pm
- chaos
  
  Thanks, good video
  
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  June 15, 2020 7:13pm
- Jack5
  
  Good one, Swifty. ?
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:12pm
info@cruzpro.com

The countries that were hardest hit by the last few pandemics such as Ebola and SARs learned from their horrible experiences and were the most pro-active against Covid-19. They demonstrably suffered much less than countries not seriously affected previously.

This begs the question – because New Zealand did not suffer numerous deaths (mostly financially), are we putting in the effort to minimize the effects of a relapse or a future pandemic?
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June 15, 2020 7:39pm
- Jack5
  
  Good point.
  
  Taiwan has been the top performer in fighting Wuhan flu . It subdued the outbreak without shutting down business and education.
  
  Taiwan has a special agency ready made for pandemics because of its experience with SARs. Having as Vice-President an internationally known epidemiologist helps, too.
  
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  June 15, 2020 9:06pm
gorse

Jeez, what a crock of s—- in Stuff. Adern rebrands Labour, what? Into a pack of losers?
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June 15, 2020 8:30pm
- quarterpack
  
  Labour could have lined up a list of stuffed toys and will still win the election in September. Muller broke cover in Te Puna with his Labour Lite vision for 2021 before going back under cover, while the rest of the country was watching the rugby. Te Puna a safe seat for the Nats at least
  
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