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krazykiwi

The Politics of Fear
In his essay The Politics of Fear, John Tierney writes:

[Economist Robert] Higgs sees government, as usual, vastly expanding during the crisis, and he’s sure that it will not shrink back to its former scale once the crisis is over. It never does, as he famously documented in his 1987 book, Crisis and Leviathan: Critical Episodes in the Growth of American Government, and in later works exploring this “ratchet effect.”

By surveying the effect of wars, financial panics, and other crises over the course of a century, Higgs showed that most government growth occurs in sporadic bursts during emergencies, when politicians enact “temporary” programs and regulations that never get fully abolished. New Deal bureaucracies and subsidies persisted long after the Great Depression, for example, and the U.S. military didn’t revert to its pre-war size after either of the world wars.

I’d suggest ratchet effect has also been experienced in New Zealand. Government expenditure as a percentage of GDP jumped from 16% to 25% after World War II. Despite some pullbacks, our state has increased in size ever since. Following this government’s time at the Treasury benches, the broader figure of net debt is forecast to climb from $57.7 billion (19% of GDP) to $200.8 billion (53.6% of GDP) by 2024. That level of debt is asphyxiating for any modern economy, much less one still dependent on mining the udder of a cow.

“To tell people not to be afraid is to give them advice that they cannot take,” Higgs wrote. “Our evolved physiological makeup disposes us to fear all sorts of actual and potential threats, even those that exist only in our imagination. The people who have the effrontery to rule us, who call themselves our government, understand this basic fact of human nature. They exploit it, and they cultivate it.” Rulers instinctively heed Machiavelli’s advice: “It is much safer to be feared than loved”—a sixteenth-century formulation of the negativity effect.

“A crisis,” Higgs observed, “alters the fundamental conditions of political life. Like a river suddenly swollen by the collapse of an upstream dam, the ideological current becomes bloated by the public’s fear and apprehension of impending dangers and its heightened uncertainty about future developments. Bewildered people turn to the government to resolve the situation, demanding that government officials ‘do something’ to repair the damage already done and prevent further harm.”

The fawning, and largely unthinking adoration on display around our country attests to this. I suspect many New Zealanders have yet to experience the real harm of a deep recession as a result of the ‘Do Something!!’ licence given so unquestioningly to the Labour government.

Further harm is metastasising, and it’s not a virus.
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June 16, 2020 8:00am
- Justitia
  
  I agree completely krazykiwi. This government rules by exploiting fear and by dissembling. New Zealanders have lost the ability to think for themselves and this country is in real difficulty.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:19am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We are still getting meaningless full screen TV adds from the PM’s Dept. These laud the govt, those friends assisting and remind us to maintain our fears.
  We must keep our controls lest we forget the commies are in charge. These ads are borderline electioneering.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “These ads are borderline electioneering.”
    
    Nothing borderline about it.
    
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    June 16, 2020 8:25am
    - Surely Knott
      
      I received in my facebook page a sponsored Unite Against Recovery Ad. I went to the page and looked under page transparency to see what ads were being run. And under organisations that manage this page it says “No Confirmed Page Owner
      A Page Owner hasn’t yet completed business verification process.” So there is no transparency about who is running or funding the ads.
      
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      June 16, 2020 10:04am
      - tf78
        
        National should come out with ‘UNITE AGAINST SOCIALISM’ – Vote National.
        
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        June 16, 2020 10:41am
      - krazykiwi
        
        @tf78, why would National oppose socialism? They have been advancing it for decades, only more slowly/quietly than has Labour.
        
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        June 16, 2020 11:14am
      - Two bob
        
        tf78 national engage in corporate socialism, privatize profit socialize losses its just as bad if not worse then socialism for the people esp when the $$$$ flows straight offshore, plunder would be a more appropriate definition of that practice.
        
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        June 16, 2020 12:30pm
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Nothing “borderline” about them Kev.
    
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    June 16, 2020 8:26am
- Two bob
  
  your last line… it is a virus just not covid 19 and this time for sure was unleashed deliberatly by our govt.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:35am
davidp

Quiz: Who said the following in the NZ Parliament?

“I have heard some mention tonight of the yellow peril. I think it was the honourable member for Waitemata who referred to this subject. I want to express the opinion that this is one of the biggest questions of the age – a problem that has never been faced in this country so far as I am aware. We have to face the facts as they are. We have teeming millions practically within a stone’s throw of Australasia. Without going into such comparatively up-to-date countries as Japan or China, there are still teeming millions in the archipelago to the north of Australia. Does the House seriously believe that it is going to settle this problem by establishing forts at Auckland or Wellington? It is a bigger problem than that. It is a problem that has to be faced, all the same. It is a problem that involves the intermixing of races and the very law of life itself. It is a problem not for parliamentarians, but for experts – for scientists. Parliamentarians might very well take the advice from the scientists of the various countries involved and see if a solution of this problem cannot be arrived at. I do not think we want a piebald New Zealand any more than India wants a piebald India. We are very much concerned about our race. We never seem to appreciate the fact that the other race is just as much concerned about theirs. Anyway, there is no one going to deny the fact that the indiscriminate introduction of Asiatics to this country is not going to be in the best interests of this country.”

Hint 1: It wasn’t Winston Peters.

Hint 2: The white supremacist’s framed photo sits on a shelf behind Jacinda Ardern’s desk.
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June 16, 2020 8:02am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Michael Joseph Savage.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:44am
  - davidp
    
    Correct! Did you like the bit about “intermixing of races and the very law of life itself”? Savage was a white supremacist, we have a giant monument to him at Bastion Point, and we get to look at a photo of him whenever Ardern does a press conference from her desk. Apparently Asian Lives Don’t Matter to Ardern or the Labour Party.
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:29am
  - RightFirstTime
    
    Rumour has it that Labour Party stalwarts are to be instructed to replace their photo of Michael Joseph Savage with one of Jacinda Ardern.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:20am
Left Right and Centre

All Lives Matter

Saint Patrick’s Church Masterton
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June 16, 2020 8:03am
- KevO'Brien
  
  All lives indeed do matter, if not why does DOC run protect and enhance programs.
  I don’t care now if Maori had a non PC lifestyle in the past. That is another slate. We can only be responsible for our own actions. Every region and era is different: why should others be the same? Isn’t pride at the heart of many SJW’s?
  
  My Gospel doesn’t encourage Christians to take sides with street revolution against peaceful communities. WWJD?
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:54am
- lifesgood
  
  Good on St Patrick’s! What on earth are people thinking complaining about this? ALL. LIVES. MATTER. end of. That is black, brown, yellow, and dare I say it, white, and any other colour in between.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:37am
Maggie Pie

Sounds like one of my twitter besties is really really pissed about something or other….. time to get in the popcorn 😛

https://twitter.com/PebblesHooper/status/1272306168145129472
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June 16, 2020 8:03am
- woodburner
  
  So I finally bothered to find out who Richie Hardocre is. Another one of these “straight Edge” prats who have become holier than thou and part of the woke brigade. I went to high school with a bunch of this lot in the late 90’s. At that time they were all pretty much actual Nazis (skinheads at least) walking around scribbling KAG on everything they could touch, and beating the crap put of any kids who they though held their wrist a little limp. They were horrid people then. Now they are supposedly reformed, but I wonder if they have just changed uniforms – a few seem to be in the Antifa camp now.
  
  Now that the woke brigade are persecuting crimes past and future, I wonder if this sort of historical misbehavior will be tolerated from within the ranks?
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:09am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not sure what Ritche’s trying to tell us here, woodburner. But if Brains ARE the New Tits, where would i wear my bra?
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EajGdeZUwAAxGmV?format=jpg&name=medium
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:46am
  - tf78
    
    Isn’t Dicky Weakcore one of Helen Clark’s stooges trying to make cannabis legal.
    
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    June 16, 2020 11:03am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Alleged violent bullying at school? People doing that are simply f0llowing the power and authority. All alleged I might add. For some reason ‘beating the crap’ out of people at school doesn’t seem to get perps charged with assault.
    
    Being a skinhead bully at school gets you well prepared for being an authoritarian bully ‘woke activist’ now: you love power and control over other people. Being the President of International Socialist Youth would also give you fondness of power and control over other people.
    
    This is why you’ll find a lot of youtube announcements of people leaving the left. They don’t want to live under authoritarians of any ilk.
    
    The dispute is hardly between ‘left’ and ‘right’ any more. It’s between people who want to maximise individual liberty and wealth for everyone vs. people who want to limit democratic rights, civil rights, freedom of speech and to limit wealth for the sake of ‘the environment’.
    
    If you have a spare hour, “Brendan O’Neill On How The Left Ending Up Leaving Him” puts it well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEHceVBkbXw
    
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    June 16, 2020 1:10pm
    - woodburner
      
      @Classic Liberal, let me be specific with “alleged bullying”. This KAG subculture was pretty big at my highschool (In gisborne< late 90's). KAG, or "Kill all Gays", was some sort of subculutre associated with the punk/metal scene. The whole premise was to go around "outing" young teenagers as gay (they usually weren't, they were prepubescent teenagers), then persecute the shit out of them. Beat them up, burn their stuff, graffiti their books, their cars. Borderline sexual assaults in some cases. Nasty stuff. The girls tended to love these guys because they were "edgy". Typically this subculture were also into satanism.
      
      Fast forward about 5-10 years. Most of them became serious drug addicts and general wastes of space. Along comes straight edge, which appears to be almost a fundamentalist christian anti-substance movement. So all these prats apparently find god, and now are absolved living this life of subculture righteousness.
      
      Fastforward another 5 years or so, and much of this mob are now foundational members of antifa, standing up for all that is right and woke.
      
      Not all, but certainly a trend. Have to wonder if these individuals are just seriously messed up and looking for the next way to impose their will on others.
      
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      June 16, 2020 6:08pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I do believe you, Woodburner, and saw some of this crap at my own school.
        
        But since we were talking about a specific individual, I used the word ‘alleged’ to protect all of us here against a defamation case.
        
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        June 17, 2020 12:04pm
I remember when

Lack of Diversity in the Maori Seats:
No racial diversity.
All held by the same Party.
Lack of Male 5 to Female 2 balance.
Uneven balance with North Island 6 and South Island 1.
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June 16, 2020 8:06am
Scott

Thousands of people protested black lives matter in America, standing shoulder to shoulder. Shouting, fighting, looting. Suddenly the virus was not an issue to the press. All that mattered was the protests.
Now Pres Trump is going to have some huge rallies. Suddenly the virus is big news again. The Trump rallies pose a threat to public health!
So let me get this right? Black lives matter protesting and rioting, thousands of people, no danger to public health.
Trump holds rallies, terrible danger to public health.
How can both be true?
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June 16, 2020 8:08am
- krazykiwi
  
  “It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” — Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:55am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Hence the need for brain-washing and propaganda.
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The virus loves diversity
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:06am
- alloytoo
  
  Because black lives don’t really matter, black lives cause is to leverage useful idiots.
  
  George Floyd had a decade long rap sheet and was high on a combination of drugs at the time of his demise.
  
  Why do we have to overlook Floyd’s rap sheet but cast a microscope with a modern lens on historical figures?
  
  Why is there a push to canonize the dregs of society because their interaction with the police ended terminally?
  
  Did the police act illegally beyond their mandated bounds?
  
  All I have is an opinion, that and a lynch mob does not constitute justice.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:49am
- freethinker
  
  It really amuses me that Trump can get 300,000 to a rally and Biden can,t fill a church hall, yet the media confidently predict him as next POTUS. Hope they bet the farm on that outcome.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:21am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Trumps’ rally just needs to take to the streets and show them how it is done.
    
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    June 16, 2020 3:12pm
    - IC5000
      
      Agree. I’m interested to see how he deals with unscripted performances in light of significant neural degeneration.
      
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      June 16, 2020 4:46pm
  - virtualmark
    
    If Trump can fit 300,000 into an auditorium that has a capacity of less than 20,000 then I’m sure the media will cover it extensively.
    
    And then he should quit politics and get his own magic show in Vegas.
    
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    June 16, 2020 8:31pm
Monique Watson

Mossad is on the move.
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June 16, 2020 8:10am
Justitia

As Kate Hawkesby points out this morning:https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340146, David Seymour is doing all the heavy lifting in Parliament these days. He is the true Leader of the Opposition, trying to hold this wretched government to account. While I have disagreed with his stance on euthanasia and other issues like immigration, I can’t fault him as an effective MP. So at this stage I will be voting Act in the hope that he will have the support of more Act MPs for his efforts in the next Parliament.

National appear dead in the water while we are facing the most hostile government in our history which is on the cusp of an election victory that would give them unbridled power. If that doesn’t send a chill down your spine what will? Their next term will see the abolition of free speech, the institution of an internet firewall around New Zealand which they have already prepared for with legislation, sweeping taxes on the middle class and homeowners and the cementing of racial privilege in our health and other social services which is now occurring in areas like elective surgery. And God knows what else? There is a radical Marxist agenda coming down the pike and National have blinked.
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June 16, 2020 8:14am
- Nukuleka
  
  But it’s okay Justitia. Muller was one of the only white kids in his primary school and his brother played a gay character in ‘Shortland St’. He’s the man for the job.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:50am
- Simon
  
  Naw Labour are hanging on by their finger tips.
  
  Getting rid of Bridges was bit of an own goal but it wont matter. The only thing that Labour have got going for them is timing, the election is in September. They might just hold on. Everything Labour have done since home detention economy wise is for the election in September. Then its game over.
  
  If Labour win in September then Ardern will not last 6 months. There will be another election next year. Its that bad.
  
  At the moment there is massive censorship by media on economy & crime to assist Labour. But its a weak facade much like Labout itself. It wont hold.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:55am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Today MSM have found a way to attack Labour but not Jacinda. An excellent piece on the appalling David Clark botching the latest health announcement.
    
    Seems 100% to support 17 empty chairs. David Clark is going to be the weak link, people already want him gone so there is no hiding.
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:43am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Its’s all about the new lister from Otago Uni. She’s being lined up as a pushover for Clark. Typical Labour underhand bully tactics. This time it’s against one of their own.
      
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      June 16, 2020 1:29pm
- SmokerGuy
  
  I agree, it is concerning. I was supportive of replacing Bridges but I now admit I may have been wrong on this front. I think Muller has been very underwhelming, he seems like a nice guy but I don’t think he has what it takes to lead them to anything close to a win in the election. I hope I’m proven wrong. We should all be very worried
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:15am
  - Janabelle
    
    How wrong you were will be proved when the election debates start – Simon will have had it all over Jacinda however Todd will agree with everything she says – it’s not too late to reinstate Simon and forget the foolishness of the last month
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:39am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Bring back Bridges
      
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      June 16, 2020 10:25am
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree, Muller is totally out of his depth and should be on the Labour benches with his deputy in tow. We need someone with some mongrel that will call things for what they are, not a sanitised version of Labour Party F_ups.
      
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      June 16, 2020 1:43pm
      - Australis
        
        Nick2: You are missing the larger strategy.
        
        The National Party, being true conservatives, have not previously revisited their electoral thinking since the advent of MMP.
        
        National has been held to ransom by a “Centrist” party (NZF) for 27 years. Meantime, Labour has always tried to hog the centre line while relying on its captive leftist allies (Alliance, Greens) to haul it sideways once in power.
        
        As in Germany, MMP requires that the two major parties always scrap over the centre line. They have to win a majority of the Great Unwashed who wouldn’t recognise a political philosophy if it bit them in the ass.
        
        Policy wonks and news junkies shouldn’t generally give their party votes to the major parties. Their positions are (or should be) accommodated by either ACT on the right or the Greens on the left.
        
        Muller/Kaye (and their caucus) understand this unpalatable fact of life. They are targetting the rose-pink segment of the political spectrum, knowing that their political futures now depend crucially upon a 2020 revival of the near-moribund ACT Party.
        
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        June 16, 2020 8:18pm
    - Okahu
      
      Made up stat. Nonsense comparison. Par for the course from a Trumpist.
      
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      June 16, 2020 8:24pm
  - freethinker
    
    Not withstanding Nationals leadership, their primary problem is policy. They have failed to appeal to the core support base of Small Business owners, Landlords, Farmers and ex Gun owners. Policies must include repeal or drastic revision of the legislation aimed to disadvantage these groups, if National keep not doing this they will lose, only hope is 20 ACT MPs . A strategic party vote for ACT is required.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:27am
I remember when

Not sure what I think of the armed police trial and not being a policeman have a limited idea of whether there is a need.
Willie Jackson on Q & A stated they didn’t want guns in predominately Maori areas. No mention, of course, of whether they were alright in predominately white areas.
Naturally, there were no stats as to whether these areas were more likely to have firearm incidents. No mention of whether the areas had a gang presence or high violence cases.
Obviously, the Maori caucus are going to remove any illegal (all) firearms from these areas.
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June 16, 2020 8:15am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  “Willie Jackson on Q & A stated they didn’t want guns in predominately Maori areas.”
  
  So, he can’t see what’s (already) in front of him then. Maori gangs have been boasting of their illegal gun stocks since the Christchurch atrocity.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tama Iti and the flag
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:20am
    - Jack5
      
      Dwarf with shotgun managed to hit flag on ground from three feet away. Marksmanship.?
      
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      June 16, 2020 12:25pm
- Nickc2
  
  Silly Willie Jackson is just an unaccountable loudmouth for hire. However, the MSM feed him oxygen.
  
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  June 16, 2020 1:53pm
mandk

Unfortunately the article does not say how much the cost might be, but one wonders how many young people could have their lives extended and improved, if it were not for the wicked Pike River Re-entry hoax visited upon the nation by Little, Peters et al.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/121785944/teen-with-spinal-muscular-atrophy-campaigns-for-wonder-drug-to-survive
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June 16, 2020 8:16am
- Jimmy White
  
  But it was a Murder enquiry, a mass murder too boot
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:46am
MT_Tinman

Not to me they don’t!
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June 16, 2020 8:19am
kowtow

Hey Nats , grow a pair. Trying to outdo the left in wokey feely will only lose you your base.

‘The National Party is being criticised for having an upside down Tino Rangatiratanga flag in the background of leader Todd Muller’s speech yesterday.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-national/national-poster-slammed-upside-down-maori-flag
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June 16, 2020 8:22am
- Paulus
  
  The Flag had been like that it is believed for at least 18 months according to a leading highly respected local Maori and it would be upturned shortly.
  As a regular club user he said he had never noticed.
  The Rugby Club hall was hire by Todd and he had no interest in doing otherwise.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:10am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    An upside down 1835 Flag in a hired football club rooms has is not National’s concern. That flag has no standing anyway except to current rabble rouses.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:57am
    - HeatherW
      
      T/R flag was designed in 1990 to represent “all Maori”. The 1835 flag was the United Tribes flag, part of the Declaration of Independence. At the time shipping was required to display a flag denoting place of origin in order to continue international trade (or have your goods seized).
      
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      June 16, 2020 1:07pm
- MCos
  
  By displaying the flag upside down shows what an embarrassing display of virtual signaling the whole charade was, particularly coming from a bloke who claimed to be the only Pakeha at his school.
  Wasn’t Paula Bennett, top ranking Māori in the caucus, there to put him straight. She probably doesn’t recognize the flag.
  In my opinion the Nats aren’t going to be genuine about Māori relations; they’re more interested in Asia.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:12am
  - greybeard
    
    Never let the truth get in the way of a good rant.
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:57am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Most working class Maori no doubt will vote Labour – led by a woman who has less in common with the working class than Prince Harry.
    
    For all her political correctness – she doesn’t actually know shit from clay about ordinary NZders.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:16am
- Unity
  
  I despair. Why on earth did he have the Maori flag there in the first place? He’s just pandering to that sector and it’s going to lose National votes big time. He needs to start on insisting that we all be treated the same – as New Zealanders and get rid of everything to do with race. It’s all getting bedded in seemingly beyond repair and it’s harming our country.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:16am
  - brett68
    
    Because Toddles is looking for coalitions partners
    
    He thinks he’s got a chance with the greens and the Maori party.
    
    Think about what a National government would look like if National did a deal with the Greens and the Maori Party.
    
    It would be the pits, I’d even go as far as saying it would be 10x worse than the current arrangement.
    
    At least you’ve got Peters stopping a lot of the craziness.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:36am
  - Fletch
    
    To be honest, Maori shouldn’t have a flag. It’s indicative of their aspirations. ‘Tino rangatiratanga’ means “absolute sovereignty”, so you know what those are. It’s divisive actually and if we are comparing to the US (which we always seem to be doing) it should go the way of the Confederate flag.
    
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    June 16, 2020 11:04am
    - Nickc2
      
      Unfortunately, the Tino Rangatiratanga flag was made an official flag for use in NZ in 2010. Why, I’m guessing it was to appease the Maori Political Pary who were sharing power with National at the time.
      
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      June 16, 2020 2:05pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Todd didn’t bring the flag it was part of the decor of the Rugby Club Hall.
    
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    June 16, 2020 1:32pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    If it was there already should he have asked for it to be taken down? National is a broad church the last thing we need is wokeness where everything is so stage-managed and offending someone.
    
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    June 16, 2020 3:35pm
- Inandout
  
  kowtow, I wasn’t aware it was a real flag. Real estate flags aren’t.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It isn’t either–it’s a protesters playtoy.
    
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    June 16, 2020 1:34pm
- david
  
  An upside down flag is usually taken as a distress signal. Hhhhmmmmmmmmmm
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:26am
MT_Tinman

History. That REALLY matters!
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June 16, 2020 8:23am
Benedict Yu

I wonder if any National MPs are yet thinking “What have we done?” I bloody hope so.
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June 16, 2020 8:23am
- Inandout
  
  BY, Labour opted for Jacinda a month out from the election, with enormous help from the compliant media admittedly.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:23am
Maggie Pie

My partner doesn’t beleve for one moment that Todd Mullers so called ‘gaffes’, in his speech to the Te Puna rugby club, (where the Maori flag was flying upside down and Toddy saying “….he was excited to be the new Labor leader”), but rather, these were just part of a well planned election strategy to ensure wide media coverage.
And boy, let me just say, twitter was running hot!!
Apparently, we should now watch out for Toddy to reveal his long held ‘secret crush’ on Jacinda, and his feeling of deep brotherly love for Camati Toffee.

This is a plan so cunning, you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel 😀
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June 16, 2020 8:23am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Right up to the bid when Sir Bedevere explains that we climb out of the Trojan Rabbit and take the fortress!
  
  (to mix my cultural references)
  
  ….. Run Away! Brave Sir Todd ran away!
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:29am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    They may sustain some flesh wounds, a la Black Knight…
    
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    June 16, 2020 8:45am
- Two bob
  
  trump tactics?
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:48am
- Inandout
  
  MP, I am glad to say Twitter is slipping into oblivion and will eventually be an echo chamber for unemployed basement dwellers and hate filled uni students.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well, i wouldn’t be so sure of that I&O.
    I’m personally following thousands of friends on twitter, and whenever i tweet something, it always gets hundreds of likes.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:29am
- DeepBlue
  
  That is classic TG. Remember the spelling mistake in Boris’s Love Actually scene.
  
  These ‘errors’ by Muller seem so clumsy that they must be planned. I have to believe that, anyway.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:49am
All_on_Red

Has Jacinda Ardern and her Ministers taken a pay cut like they promised?
Say, you don’t think she was lying when she said that?
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June 16, 2020 8:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hasn’t your memory chip been cleansed yet?
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:31am
  - chaos
    
    Mines Microsoft, it’s full of viruses and keeps crashing
    
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    June 16, 2020 11:51am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    The medias has.
    
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    June 16, 2020 3:37pm
- Two bob
  
  have you ever owned pigs?
  Seriously once the foods in their trough you cannot stop them at all untill its gone.
  these are good questions to ask on live tv and debates and ask all sides aswell not just labour.
  
  I think many will be disapointed at how few mps took this up and took pity for all of us.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:41am
- Tony Stuart
  
  We will never know the answer to that question, because they passed a Bill which keeps all the information confidential. We only have the PM’s and her Ministers’ word for it, which is probably not the most reliable source of information.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:46am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Apparently according to some political-pensioner chick-in-charge called Wilde, the legal process to alter Parliamentary pay is complex and must not be hurried.
  
  Fair enough. The COL have never abrogated and run roughshod over legal processes before / heavy sarc.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:47am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That’s the whole Parliament–I never though that was considered. COL MP’s can personally do as they will to signal virtue beyond measure.
    
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    June 16, 2020 11:01am
- DeepBlue
  
  Today Stuff says it takes effect in July. So maybe only 2-3 months worth of cuts before they are out
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:50am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Backdated I am sure.
    
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    June 16, 2020 3:41pm
- HeatherW
  
  The public service pay cuts start on July 9th. Apparently it was complicated. It was not complicated for the private sector (months ago) to immediately make a 20% income reduction for wage earners (especially for those under 100k pa).
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:10am
- Roy
  
  There was a real simple “”immediate”” Solution.
  Create an IRD owned bank account called MPS Paycuts.
  Then each MP, could transfer each month the 20% bit.
  At the end of each month. The IRD would publish a bank statement to show who had deposited what.
  
  Simple, easy & quick.
  
  Would show up MPS not playing the game.
  
  But no. Throw it in to the civil service to pay some extra woofters to come up with something, sometime never.
  
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  June 16, 2020 1:21pm
Maxx

Looking at the shovel ready projects that the Government has said that will magically create jobs (I doubt we’ll see any real work outside of planning for the next year), I thought a lot of these had already been given the go ahead or had funding allocated previously? It sounds like they’re recycling projects over and over for the glory of the party.
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June 16, 2020 8:28am
- Two bob
  
  they shelved them at the start. talked about them a bit later, reintroduced them, bought them forward and now bought them forward again.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:51am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Under National.
    
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    June 16, 2020 3:44pm
- DeepBlue
  
  A lot didn’t have resource consents. This just fast tracks that step to get them underway earlier.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:51am
Mobile Michael

What did Ginny Andersen do to be the lowest ranked Caucus member on the Labour Party list? Apart from general uselessness – there’s many candidates that meet that qualification.
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June 16, 2020 8:30am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Not quite; Paul Eagle is one step below her. Labour must be relying on winning back Hutt South for Anderson to remain an MP.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:49am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Labour must be relying on winning back Hutt South for Anderson to remain an MP.”
    
    That will not happen. Lower Hutt will return Bishop even if the Party vote swings to Labour.
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:15am
    - Mike
      
      I’m not sure about that. Given the large swing to Labour in the polls, this would logically put a number of electorates in play, such as as Hutt South, Auckland Central, Maungakiekie, Whanganui, maybe even Tukituki and Wairarapa.
      
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      June 16, 2020 9:58am
    - Mobile Michael
      
      I’m not so confident, Bish has only a small majority and Muller seems determined to make National unpalatable for voting. If it was just who would be a better electorate MP Bishop would win in a landslide, but too few people take an active interest.
      
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      June 16, 2020 10:05am
    - Prince
      
      Yes, Anderson must have seriously upset someone along the way. Eagle has a safe seat so he’s there for as long as he wants.
      
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      June 16, 2020 10:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  They all should have been 65th equal.
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:02am
Two bob

How can this govt turn its back on drought affected farmers yet throw so much money at every other sector.

very little support, zero acknowledgement of the situation, these people are suffering just as bad as many other businesses yet still have to fend for themselves.
Most likely because labour know it wont garner them 1 single vote.

farming will return to being our largest earner due to tourisms demise, this group will and their tax will be vital to the recovery of nz so youd think there would be more support then counciling and a few feed transport fees being paid.
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June 16, 2020 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  Cos in the Marxist dialectic farmers are property owners and therefor class enemies.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:49am
- Sacha
  
  The govt doesn’t need to help the farmers. Farmers help farmers.
  Farmers know how much the country depends on them, and so does the government, even if it will die at the ballot box before admitting it.
  In some respects the government is totally irrelevant – and it had better stay that way, because if the agricultural worm should turn . . . . . . . . . .
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:31am
- Prince
  
  Interesting that the first sector the Govt came to the aid of during Lockdown was the media.
  No surprises there. Early and easy rewards.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:17am
  - double d
    
    And beneficiaries….
    
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    June 16, 2020 8:34pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Farmers feed us, Labour bleed us.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:23am
  - freethinker
    
    During your life you occasionally need a Doctor, a dentist, a Vicar or even a lawyer but 3 times a day you need a farmer. Keep demonizing farmers and you guarantee a successful weight loss program at no cost.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:44am
- chaos
  
  How is the govt ignoring this drought? They have activated all the same help that every government has offered when a drought hits farmers.
  
  Very little acknowledgement? Have you looked at the govt websites that deal with farmers during a drought?
  
  https://www.mpi.govt.nz/protection-and-response/responding/adverse-events/support-during-a-drought/
  
  https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/rural-assistance.html
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:15am
  - Two bob
    
    yea but has there ever been drought coupled with a pandemic response.
    
    meat processors capacity got slashed big time so desperate farmers couldnt destock, couple that with all the other lockdown bullshit and those poor farmers have been through the ringer.
    to top it off theyll just start to recover and cindy will get re elected dig the boot in again with regulation and treat them like a cash cow of tax.
    
    if its ok to let farmers fend for themselves then why are we bailing out tourism and other businesses? Wheres the fairness and equality??? Or is it some are more equal then others?
    
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    June 16, 2020 5:43pm
Poppa

In my job I talk with a lot of businesses & what I am gathering is that turnover will be down this year by around 10%

So if we assume costs have remained fairly constant the tax take will be down by that amount this year

That looks to me like a hole which is getting considerably deeper by the day. What do you say Grant?
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June 16, 2020 8:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Steven Joyce’s $7 billion fiscal hole from 2017 has morphed into the Grand Canyon!
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:50am
- Two bob
  
  wonder if theres any money left to reimburse overpaid provisional tax?
  Alot more families will qualify for WFF also, watch the debt count grow alot more then the 200bil forcast.
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “So if we assume costs have remained fairly constant the tax take will be down by that amount this year”
  
  It doesn’t work like that Poppa.
  If turnover is down by 10% a lot of those businesses will fail to break even. Tax take won’t be down by 10%, it will be down by more like 80%.
  The main sources of tax revenue will be GST, and yes, PAYE (from those who still have jobs).
  We are screwed.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:03am
- Colville
  
  Poppa.
  That isnt how profit works.
  If you need $100 turnover to break even and you do $120 you pay tax on $20. Drop your TO by 10% ($12) and you have just dropped your profit by 60%.
  
  The govt books are going to be very very sad.
  
  Labour hates businesses and business owners.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:04am
- freethinker
  
  I admire you optimism Poppa.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:45am
I remember when

Be careful what you wish for – especially when it involves covid-19.
Now that New Zealand is likely covid-19 free the Government is in a bind. Any action now that results in a further, or more, cases will mean the loss of the accolades that have been showered upon them.
Downer for the Election.
Meanwhile UK citizens can travel to the continent without an isolation period. Italy is frantically trying to lure/entice tourists.
Bring on the Election, so that we can open the border immediately, if we win, and have three years to counter any problems that may arise.
In the meantime the Australians who make up about 40% of total tourists, and spend $2.7 billion here a year, sit out the next three and a half months.
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June 16, 2020 8:35am
- septic skeptic
  
  So, you reckon it’s a simple choice between Covid and tourism – we should go for tourism and let Covid run its course here during flu season when immune systems are at a low ebb.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:54am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Covid treatment tourism? We have the capacity.
    
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    June 16, 2020 4:09pm
- Ian Boag
  
  any problems that may arise
  
  Like a few thousand deaths, although they will mainly be oldies so who cares. Small stuff. Balance and all that. Would only be a few thousand after all.
  
  Now find me a polly who will campaign on “we need people bungy jumping in Queenstown – a few thousand deaths are just the cost and oldies should shut themselves away for the duration “…
  
  God’s answer to the escalating cost of the pension 🙂
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:03am
  - Roy
    
    And your reference to support your ascertion that a few thousand deaths??
    
    You really need to get out of your fear bubble and look at the world.
    There are examples
    Belarus springs to mind. No restricions, no lockdowns, no big moat.
    
    Opening the borders but with screening is an obvious solution.
    eg
    prebording testing. Only get to board if you are negative.
    Only visitors from approved (low transmission rate countries). eg Australia, Taiwan etc
    
    Not rocket science
    
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    June 16, 2020 1:29pm
    - Alex13
      
      The virus is raging in Belarus, hospital records are faked to keep the official statistics “right”, people learn about high numbers of deaths in outbreak towns not from the press, but from word of mouth, etc. I don’t think you or anyone else would wish to be in that situation right now.
      
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      June 16, 2020 2:00pm
      - double d
        
        Lock it down
        Close the borders.
        Don’t let em in ever
        Who needs them anyway!
        
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        June 16, 2020 8:38pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Belarus. Soviet Union a la 2020. A truly believable source. You would expect Ukraine and Poland (border states) to be similar. They aren’t ….
      
      Go figure
      
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      June 16, 2020 8:40pm
- oldfella
  
  I saw an ad this morning on The AM Show on TV3 – promoting South Australia as a tourist destination, and saying, book now.
  Maybe someone knows something we don’t?
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:12am
  - BlueDevil
    
    They are running 100% pure ads on Oz TV.
    
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    June 16, 2020 1:09pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Sydney was being advertised last night too
    
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    June 16, 2020 3:17pm
    - Two bob
      
      my mate is in aussie he said theyre telling everyone to book in flights to qtown for ski season.
      would make sense australia no more then us cos our govt dont know wtf theyre up to.
      
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      June 16, 2020 5:47pm
oldpark

A look at unintended consequences by NZs number one political agitator Winston Peters. When the results of the 2017 Election came in it showed the wishes of the voting public was National on 56 Seats Labour 46 Seats . Yet the meglamaniac Peters with alleged hurty feeling turned to the Party with lesser votes and selected them to be NZs Government for the next few years .Peters in his self serving angst virtually changed the future direction and well being of its citizens into the hands of a reputed Female Communist/ Socialist and a band of no hopers with no experience for that Party. Yes he also managed to rid NZs Parliament of superb experience on how to run a nation in good times and bad .
Peters figured he would be the defacto PM even though the Female Communist /Socialist would get the photo opportunities.
Well now leading up to the 2020 Election. How are his tactics working out . Looking at recent polls he has painted himself and his Party NZ First into a corner. Even worse he has virtually been outsmarted by the gang he chose to instal in 2017 to be NZs government . Who have plunged NZ into a mountain of debt and its economy in ashes as well as massive unemployment. By the needless panic in shutting down the Nation based on questionable Academic Rhetoric.
Yes saw the Labour Party list yesterday. Yes still full of also rans and no hopers masquerading as Politicians . Maybe even more scary Two of the Top 3 on that last are well skilled in Gaslighting Extraordinaire Propaganda when it come to complete control of the truth and where they are taking the good ship NZ to . Yes Mr Peters what price you’re unintended consequences now in 2020 are causing so much mental worry stress and abysmal outlook under the present Regime if they continue to rule NZ. Hope not .
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June 16, 2020 8:39am
Jimmy White

A number of commentators on here and in the MSM have been wondering what the payoff to the Greens was to explain their nose pinching voting in parliament recently. SKYPATH…
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June 16, 2020 8:43am
- alloytoo
  
  Why would one walk across a perfectly functional vehicle bridge?
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:02am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Is that a ‘Why did the chicken cross the road joke?’
    
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    June 16, 2020 5:05pm
  - Two bob
    
    to virtue signal?
    
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    June 16, 2020 5:48pm
Durden

Here is a real opportunity.

We know Steven Joyce has had a successful media background having exited his business, and is in general an excellent operator.

He has NBR by the short and curlies. Or on the ropes anyway.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121832280/steven-joyce-awarded-269000-in-costs-after-suing-nbr

Maybe this is the chance to acquire a ready made masthead with name recognition and create the right wing media platform that is sorely needed in this country to even up the debate against the fourth coalition party member — the leftist media.

Without this National will not feature in the public consciousness, except negatively, and will not even slightly threaten the media’s $50-$100 million benefactor.

Bob Jones thinks NBR is ripe for the picking while Todd Scott is on the swag whimpering into his hands every night in a different location.

https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/06/15/the-death-of-national-business-review/
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June 16, 2020 8:49am
- Benedict Yu
  
  We really need such a publication. However it would only work on subs and I don’t know whether there is a big enough market.
  
  I subscribe to the AFR https://www.afr.com/ – It has been a great publication for 50 years. However I doubt that New Zealand could support a daily like this. But a decent weekly would be better than nothing.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:19am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Will we see the givelittle page soon? KBers akk digging deep ….
    
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    June 16, 2020 11:07am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  “On the swag”
  That comment goes back ninety years!
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:26am
  - chukar
    
    Grandma Swag terrorised my little children at Xmas.
    
    She still is
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:40am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Ban it. Quickly.
    
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    June 16, 2020 5:15pm
KH

Renaming Hamilton.
The name I have heard most used and for many years is “Cowpat Town” Hugely accurate, but has an smell about it.
I have also heard “The Tron” Quite like that one. I gather it’s hip and happening and used by the younger folk.
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June 16, 2020 9:06am
- Sacha
  
  The name could be changed but how much would it cost? If the city is already in debt, the people who want change could fund it – how would that work? The mayor could say ‘yes, the council agrees, to change the name if BLM (or whoever) agrees to meet the cost’. I reckon by next week they would all have vanished into the woodwork. There could be a graph in a public place showing the progress of donations –
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:38am
- BeaB
  
  I’d go for Waikato City. Much better than that KKK word.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:45am
  - Jack5
    
    If “Kirikiriroa” had three K’s in it, a renamed city’s sports teams could have had KKK on their sports gear. That would have been interesting.
    
    Meanwhile, there is the widely shared video clip of Hamilton’s Woke mayor in an incident during an appearance on the Garrulous Garner Gig (link below).
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/hamilton-mayor-paula-southgate-absolutely-fine-after-fainting-during-the-am-show-interview.html
    
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    June 16, 2020 11:06am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Do you want to pay the royalties to the local tribe involved and their pet taniwha?
    
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    June 16, 2020 11:06am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Iwi won’t agree with each other would be my guess.
    
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    June 16, 2020 5:23pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Name it after their sports teams; Name it Cheatton.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:48am
- Mike
  
  ‘Chlamydia Capital’ is sometimes mentioned.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:00am
  - Two bob
    
    name it what it is… methtopia
    
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    June 16, 2020 5:49pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  How about . . . ‘New Tehran’?
  ‘New South Delhi’?
  ‘World Peace Rainbow City’?
  ‘Hamiltonga’?
  
  Something inclusive and diverse – ‘Peacetown’.
  NZ names are far too unrepresentative – the leftists are working on it. Let’s do this!
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:06am
  - Prince
    
    ‘Clarkesville’ after the famous trio of Rugby brothers.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:23am
    - Mike
      
      The Clarkes were all born in Taranaki, I think.
      
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      June 16, 2020 10:41am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  If Hamilton is to become Cow Pat Town then Wellington must become Bull Pat Town.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:42am
  - kowtow
    
    Pull Pants Down flows bedda, maybe for Auckers after the mayoral table bang.
    
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    June 16, 2020 11:33am
- Fletch
  
  ‘Hamiltron, city of the Future’….
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:06am
  - KH
    
    “The Tron” clearly popular
    
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    June 16, 2020 2:58pm
- chaos
  
  How about Auckland south, now give them your water.
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:08am
Critical Thinker

“As for slavery, there is no need for me to speak of its bad aspects. The only thing requiring explanation is the good side of slavery. I do not mean indirect slavery, the slavery of proletariat; I mean direct slavery, the slavery of the Blacks.

Direct slavery is as much the pivot upon which our present-day industrialism turns as are machinery, credit, etc. Without slavery there would be no cotton, without cotton there would be no modern industry. It is slavery which has given value to the colonies, it is the colonies which have created world trade, and world trade is the necessary condition for large-scale machine industry. Consequently, prior to the slave trade, the colonies sent very few products to the Old World, and did not noticeably change the face of the world. Slavery is therefore an economic category of paramount importance.”

– Karl Marx
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June 16, 2020 9:09am
- Mike
  
  Are you trying to pretend Marx was a supporter of slavery?
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:16am
  - Inandout
    
    Mike, Marx wrote Stalin into our history books, and he was a tyrant and drove his people like slaves. Then there is Mao….and the list is endless.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:33am
KH

Rotorua must be renamed it’s real name. “Roto Vegas”
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June 16, 2020 9:09am
- Jack5
  
  Or should it be renamed for its natural fragrance Rottoeggs?
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:08am
- Rachael Membery
  
  It just needs a Casino.
  
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  June 16, 2020 5:26pm
Left Right and Centre

Labour Party announce election list

Newcomer Ayesha Verrall let’s see . . . medical degree 2004, surgery, MSc from London, recent PhD Otago. Career in field of medicine. Very good. No.18 on the list.

Jacinda Ardern – Communication Studies – politics and public relations.
Career in Labour political back offices followed by MP 2008-

Remind me again – which one of these two is prime minister?
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June 16, 2020 9:10am
- BeaB
  
  It’s a pity she began with a lie and that both TV and Radio are able to prove it by playing clips of her praising the government after she put in her nomination.
  Why not be open from the start?
  This lack of candour will hang round her forever and may be the reason she looked so dishevelled at the announcement.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:48am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    And in today’s misleading clickbait fake news . . .
    $32/hour jobs go begging
    
    Contracts varied between businesses, but machine operators earned between $22 and $32 an hour, depending on experience. Those coming from overseas would generally start at about $26 an hour, Kean said.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:34am
Two bob

the police failure that 250,000 of us new about and got punished for.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/120285768/mosque-terrorist-was-wrongly-granted-firearms-licence-due-to-police-mistakes-sources-say

still no official word from police nor do I expect any untill results of the royal commission.

as a licence holder and one of the many that participated in the paid confiscation im absolutly disgusted in the police and govt (incl national) for the treatment of LAW ABIDING licence holders.

The “buyback” was yet another abysmal failure of the CoL with well short of 1/3 the now illegal firearms collected.
the new laws they are pushing through will do zero to improve any public saftey and will likely alienate many owners and drive even more firearms into hiding remaining invisible forever
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June 16, 2020 9:14am
- Sacha
  
  Don’t forget that the criteria for gun ownership was changed by the PM/cabinet’s order-in-council.
  No public consultation, or referral to Parliament.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:41am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Indeed.
  
  So finally they get to admit what firearms owners said all along. Police incompetence caused this!
  
  If they hadn’t continually, and willfully deprioritised firearms law administration, it might not have been the part time lost property officer doing the vetting.
  
  He or she might have actually done the job, and Tarrant would never have got a license.
  
  But of course when the shit hit the fan, the police pulled their usual stunt, and blamed everyone else for their cock-up, and sent their lying scum of a union boss out there to gin up public outrage and distract, distract, distract.
  
  Wonder who funded the “grass roots” sensible gun control lobby group that mysteriously appeared and seemed to employ at least two staff?
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:25am
  - Two bob
    
    Now I wouldnt go as far as saying police incompetence caused this but it definatly had a huge role in the attacks, other govt departments dropped the ball too.
    
    More scrutiny would certainly have gone along way to prevent access to firearms but a derragned individual would just adapt… bombs trucks etc as bad as it was it could have been far worse.
    
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    June 16, 2020 12:37pm
- david
  
  Heh, What a legacy to leave Mr “I’ll bring you in for a chat at my place” Bush.
  Good Bloody Riddance, may his infamous legacy be long remembered
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:48am
Paulus

Interesting Labour Party List – Ms Szabo appears to have set things up well for the 2023 election when Labour will try and get back into power.
But FFS why has she left all the dead beats from the current Party – is that the best she and Cindy can do – I would have thought a clear out would have been necessary and – we’re expected to vote for that lot.
At least she has appointed a new Health Minister elect as Clarke will get greased out by a person with a medical degree.
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June 16, 2020 9:15am
- MCos
  
  Dr Jonathan Coleman, who was no great shakes as Minister of Health, was the last medical doctor in recent times to hold the position.
  Annette King was a school dental nurse.
  BTW
  People with PHDs were called doctor before those with medical degrees way back in time.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:22am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Correct. Physicians graduating from NZ receive MBChB (Master of Biology, Bachelor of Chirurgie).
    
    As physicians, the title “Dr.” is a courtesy title.
    
    Ph.D. stands for “Doctor of Philosophy”.
    
    In the US physicians receive M.D. (Medical Doctorate) and therefore the title “Dr.” is not a courtesy, but accurate.
    
    Thats the second time in 2 days arcane forms of Uni address have popped up here. What’s up everyone, we going back to school en masse out of COVID boredom/unemployment etc?
    
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    June 16, 2020 11:58am
    - Pharmachick
      
      I am considering popping in for a D.Sc. but its a lot of work.
      
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      June 16, 2020 12:00pm
    - SGA
      
      Ph.D. stands for “Doctor of Philosophy”.
      
      And the word doctor comes the latin “docere” – to teach – and originally meant teacher, or later “learned person”.
      
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      June 16, 2020 1:46pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Heh, don’t remind me! I’m currently trying to pass on a little bit of my teaching load. I love teaching, but one has to balance and teach/research/service, and I’m currently out of whack (by about 20 – 30 hrs a week).
        
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        June 16, 2020 2:18pm
- Tall Man
  
  Twyford at #4.
  
  Nuff said.
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:22am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Why not, Joyce was JK’s “Mr Fix it”
    Twyford is Cindy’s “Mr F### it”
    
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    June 16, 2020 12:01pm
  - chaos
    
    What ranking has Gayford got, I never saw, but I see there is more fluff pieces on him in stuff
    
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    June 16, 2020 12:02pm
- Pharmachick
  
  If Claire Szabo is the same person I knew at AKL Uni and lived in the Halls with in the 90s, she’s very, very smart and an excellent cello player. Labour has a good one there.
  
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  June 16, 2020 12:10pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Don’t downtick me… try to get the good ones onside!
    
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    June 16, 2020 5:34pm
- Roy
  
  Having a medical degree will not necessarily mean a Good Minister of Health.!!
  
  The job is a governance role. So being good at leadership and governance is the real measure.
  
  Tony Ryall was an outstanding minister of health. Started life as an anaylst in a Bank.
  
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  June 16, 2020 1:46pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Minister of Health is arguably the toughest portfolio – you are hated by pretty much everyone as you are managing limited resources (money on employee side, services on public side) and there will always be sob stories that paint you as the bad guy.
    
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    June 16, 2020 5:07pm
Maggie Pie

An old Pom living at ma’s retirement village was with MI6 back in the 1960’s. She was telling us that despite his years, he’s still very astute when it comes to matters politic, though somewhat prone to conspiracy theories.

He tweets – ‘This govment has managed to successfully disarm the majority of its law abiding citizens.
Was Chris Tarrant the Wooden Horse”?
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June 16, 2020 9:27am
- Mike
  
  No, he was the host of Who Wants to be a Millionaire.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:17am
JibberJabber

Fascinating that the cops are going with the ” there is no Conspiracy, we`re just incompetent” defence when comes to Tarrant.
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June 16, 2020 9:45am
- septic skeptic
  
  Hard to argue with that though.
  
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  June 16, 2020 12:04pm
Inandout

MP yes that was the plan, and Judith to her everlasting shame voted for it; not that the left would ever use that as a weapon against her. Mind you the whole of NZ went completely troppo after that incident and some won’t ever be undone.
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June 16, 2020 9:47am
greenfinger

Robertson and the MSD is having a massive panic attack wondering why there is a lack of interests from businesses in applying to dip into their election slush fund. They keep spamming all businesses, seemingly begging to use this slush fund they have created. It is a possibly a great signal that business activity are back to normal, or more likely, a terrible thing because businesses would rather let staff go then risk another about-face from this government in releasing the names of small business owners applying for the subsidy and suffer the indignation of being unfairly exposed and branded as greedy business owners by nosy and jealous left wing media.
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June 16, 2020 9:57am
- Two bob
  
  businesses know how money works and the govt dont plain and simple thats why the lack of rushing in for a money grab. that $1 now will cost many times that to pay back in the future.
  
  the writing will be on the wall for many now they know theyll go under no matter what, most will quit now and only a few will díg their grave deeper
  
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  June 16, 2020 12:43pm
Ruawai

Would it be possible, even though unlikely, for National, Act and Greens (and possibly 1 Maori seat) to have enough % to form a Government after election?
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June 16, 2020 9:58am
- chaos
  
  I tend to think listening to the idiots running Maori now they are tooo stupid to go with national. Despite labour walk over Maori and national actually did a lot for them.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:20am
- david
  
  Greens have effectively ruled it out haven’t they?
  They do seem to suffer from Hostage Dependancy Syndrome.
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:51am
- septic skeptic
  
  I hope not.
  
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  June 16, 2020 12:05pm
Gravelroad

So below is an example of who is running the world.
Asked about whether Churchill’s statue should be removed she says she doesn’t really know because she hasn’t met him…….

https://mobile.twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1272046646965276680
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June 16, 2020 10:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No history class when she went to school – if she did
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:48am
- double d
  
  The comments on that twitter thread are a pleasure to read
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:10pm
chaos

* MILLIONS of Americans are unable to receive or make phone calls from their cellphones due to a ‘major outage’ affecting the entire United States, Your Content is first to report.

“The diversity of the attacks indicates that this is cyber ecosystems attacking U.S. infrastructure,” said a source briefed on the situation. “Federal agencies are currently monitoring the situation very closely.”*

https://www.yc.news/2020/06/15/under-attack-united-states-report-cyber-attack-across-the-nation-possible-cyber-terrorist/
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June 16, 2020 10:23am
Inandout

The down side of the US Supreme court decision on gays is that employers still have to power to choose an employee. It is a difficult one that, especially when say a Muslim boss is confronted with a gay prospective employee.
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June 16, 2020 10:36am
- Two bob
  
  Well logic would tell the muslim to hire a sane person that dosent have a mental illness so hiring the straight person would be the best choice.
  
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  June 16, 2020 5:57pm
Jimmy White

Looks like if you want that operation your going to have to have made a large Donation to the ruling Junta.
‘ The report calls on the Government to scrap the democratic process of the public voting for DHB representatives and shift to a system where board members are appointed by the Minister of Health, based on merit.
The report, spear-headed by former Prime Minister Helen Clark’s chief of Staff Heather Simpson, also called for New Zealand’s 20 DHBs to be slash to between 8-12 within five years.’
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June 16, 2020 10:47am
- chaos
  
  It’s the way it should be, we have far to many dhb’s and those elected have nothing to do with the waiting list.
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:01am
JibberJabber

This is how a spirited debate goes…

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1272656634540486661

Listen and learn.
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June 16, 2020 10:57am
Jimmy White

From a black Berkeley professor who must remain anonymous in order to protect his/her job: “ Black lives only matter when whites take them. Black violence is expected and insoluble, while white violence requires explanation and demands solution.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/15/nolte-overwhelming-evidence-exposes-democrat-partys-ongoing-systemic-racism/
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June 16, 2020 11:09am
KevO'Brien

Is the Minister of Health to be appointed on merit too? Who actually is the Minister of Health? Isn’t he a minster of religion?
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June 16, 2020 11:15am
Jack5

Britain’s Rugby Football Union says, reports the Telegraph, it will allow players “to take the knee”, the current vogue demonstration snubbing white fuckers for historic slavery. The newspaper reports:

An RFU spokesperson told Telegraph Sport: “As is normal process before any game at Twickenham, once we know that we will have an international, we will agree what we want to do around each team’s anthem in our match day planning sessions.

“As part of this, we will consult with players to discuss allowing those who wish to do so to take a knee.”

How will that look against a pre-match haka, the war dance of a slave owning culture?
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June 16, 2020 11:18am
- Two bob
  
  Ban the haka!! Im all for it, its disgusting and portrays the whole country as a bunch of feral cannibals.
  
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  June 16, 2020 5:59pm
  - double d
    
    You are proving to be a BT of an odd one two bob
    I would rather the haka wasn’t performed before any rugby test as it has become a bit of a cringe fest
    If we are going to do it – do it when we win!
    Unlike the racist views of one bob
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:17pm
chaos

So the greens are learning from labour, a council shouldn’t cut back because it hasn’t got the money it needs, it should just borrow, borrow, and borrow. Councils in nz are already bloated and wasting so much money on things they should not be doing. Let’s get councils back to doing what they were set up to do

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/121838100/auckland-council-budget-greens-call-for-creative-thinking-not-slash-and-burn

* The Green MP believed the council could borrow more to maintain capital spending on important infrastructure.

She urged Aucklanders to have their say on the budget this week.

“Submissions that particularly reflect the need not to slash and burn and cut spending, but the need to invest pro-actively in a future that works for the climate and the community,” she said.*
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June 16, 2020 11:29am
Jack5

The Woke are eating each other!

The publisher’s staff are threatening to strike, which would probably block publication of J.K. Rowling’s new book, because of her (feminist) position on transgender people.

Perhaps they want a Harriet Potter series.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424029/JK-Rowling-publishers-revolt-Workers-publishing-house-Hachette-threaten-tools.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424029/JK-Rowling-publishers-revolt-Workers-publishing-house-Hachette-threaten-tools.html
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June 16, 2020 11:30am
Maggie Pie

Have you noticed that whenever POTUS is shown on CNN, he always looks a bit sort of ‘orangey’ ?

Well, they’re up to their old tricks again…..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eaiccp4WsAUYM2l?format=jpg&name=small
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June 16, 2020 11:38am
- chaos
  
  Eeeek he’s got Michael Jackson disease.
  
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  June 16, 2020 11:48am
Blackbob

NZ Health system about to change again! “generational change” to rename & cut the number of DHBS plus remove the voted in boards and replace with solely Govt appointees.
Who knew voting for DHB boards would end up with single issue & agenda driven leftist fruitcakes being the only ones with enough time to stand for those boards. The real wonder though is that it won’t be called “Kiwi Health”!!
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June 16, 2020 11:44am
- chaos
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118138096/national-party-is-thinking-about-axing-dhb-elections
  
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  June 16, 2020 12:19pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    You’re 6 months too late with the promo.
    
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    June 16, 2020 1:42pm
    - chaos
      
      No, labour are late stealing another national idea and claiming it as their own
      
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      June 16, 2020 1:47pm
chaos

Pretty sure a hospital could work out something that having the roadside as the drop off and pick up area for patients. Especially on those cold wet winter days, or ice covered path winter days

* No vehicle access will be allowed at the front of the hospital for car parking or dropping off patients for the duration of this project, he said.

“The main entrance is only available for ambulances and the emergency on call teams. There is a new drop off zone available on the roadside at front of the Timaru Hospital.”*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/300033112/34m-front-of-timaru-hospital-upgrade-breaks-ground
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June 16, 2020 11:46am
JibberJabber

So, we`ve been at lockdown level 1 for a week now, unofficially at level 0 for two, can the cops still kick your door in without a warrant?

Asking for a friend…
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June 16, 2020 11:55am
- Tall Man
  
  Post an anti ardern rant on your facebook page and find out 😉
  
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  June 16, 2020 2:48pm
oldfella

Remember, ‘China is asshole’ (quote from HK protester which has taken on a life of it’s own).
Example:
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/12/876351501/zoom-acknowledges-it-suspended-activists-accounts-at-china-s-request
True confession: I use the free version of Zoom a lot, and did so this morning. It’s easy to use and way better than Skype for group calls. But… I would also love to find a truly free alternative that didn’t come with the China fishhooks.
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June 16, 2020 11:57am
oldfella

This guy makes some good points about how it’s class, not race that really divides the US.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/06/14/class-not-race-divides-america/
I wonder if it’s the same in this country?
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June 16, 2020 12:00pm
- Jules99
  
  When I travelled to the UK and studied a sociology paper I was astonished to discover that the indigenous culture there suffered the same disadvantages as Maori in NZ. These were the white working class who had the same patterns of low educational achievement, poor health outcomes and high levels of incarceration. I realised that the problem wasn’t racism. This was back in the 1980s.
  
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  June 16, 2020 12:20pm
  - fernglas
    
    Here in the 30’s Irish Catholics were the same proportion of the population as Maori are currently, and the same proportion of the prison population as Maori are currently.
    
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    June 16, 2020 1:10pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    Our lefties don’t give a stuff for lower working class folks.
    
    All the folks I’ve met connected with NZ Labour have come from a nice middle-class or upper class background.
    
    None of them had tradies or parents who worked as labourers or domestic skivvies.
    
    I’m yet to meet one whose daddy was a dunny cleaner.
    
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    June 16, 2020 2:43pm
    - david
      
      Well, Carmel Sepuloni’s mother was done for welfare fraud. Is that close enough?
      
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      June 16, 2020 6:55pm
      - david
        
        And I am led to believe that Grant Robertson’s father was a crooked accountant, does that count?
        
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        June 16, 2020 6:57pm
oldfella

I can’t believe Muller and co are not jumping all over the fact that Dr Ayesha Verrall, an academic and sitting DHB member, and recently shoring up the government’s contact tracing system, is now a Labour MP list candidate and so high on the list she’s guaranteed of getting into parliament.
Didn’t she do a report into aspects of the government’s handing of the crisis? Did she know at the time about her placement on the Labour list? When did she know? How much was her reporting influenced by her close association with the Labour party and Cindy? How could she possibly write an unbiased report? And, oh, how much was she paid for her work?
Jobs for the girls, what?
Come on, Todd, stop playing nice, demand some answers and also demand a truly independent academic to reassess the woman’s opinions in light of what looks like some dirty, political dealings by our self proclaimed ‘kindness queen’.
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June 16, 2020 12:21pm
- chaos
  
  Nothing to do with national who labour selects and to make an issue out of it will look stupid.
  
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  June 16, 2020 1:25pm
  - oldfella
    
    It is everything to do with the Nats if Cindy’s bunch have – possibly – used taxpayer dollars to ‘buy’ a favourable report from one of their own, chosen, acolytes. It’s like getting one of her own ministers to write it.
    I think this stinks to high heaven and can’t believe Muller isn’t jumping all over it. We need him, or Seymour, grilling the government to find out what’s really going on. And demanding a neutral third party to reexamine Verrall’s findings.
    And I still want to know what she was paid for her reports and services.
    
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    June 16, 2020 4:04pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  She’s little worse than most of the Labour List. Ability to govern is irrelevant and best not considered. Sycophants are welcomed.
  
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  June 16, 2020 1:44pm
Left Right and Centre

While I’m looking up the Labour ‘talent’ . . .
no.3 on new list – Grant Robertson.

BA honours – political studies. MFAT four years.
Labour advisor – four years.
‘Senior research marketing manager’ Otago Uni two years.
Labour MP 2008-

Another highly qualified man of the people.
Minister of finance? What a joke.
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June 16, 2020 12:34pm
- MCos
  
  Check out Bill English, Paul Goldsmith, Steven Joyce
  
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  June 16, 2020 1:31pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Yep, more talent in their little fingers than the entire labour cabinet.
    
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    June 16, 2020 2:45pm
- Swifty
  
  You overlooked head of the Otago and NZ student’s unions.
  
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  June 16, 2020 1:33pm
BeeJay

The latest Lincoln Project ad-
“Tell Donald Trump to go to hell!”
“Joe Biden is as good a man as God ever created, the nicest person I’ve ever met” etc etc etc (more of the same!)
The speaker – the Senior Senator from South Carolina, Sen Lindsay Graham.
Say what???!! Is this real?? Yes, Lindsay Graham has joined “Republicans Against Trump“! Is this about self preservation?
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June 16, 2020 12:49pm
- chaos
  
  No graham hasn’t joined republicans against trump.
  
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  June 16, 2020 1:30pm
  - BeeJay
    
    Sorry, you’re right! He has actually joined “Republican Voters Against Trump”!
    Does that fix it for you?
    
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    June 16, 2020 2:28pm
    - chaos
      
      Actually no he hasn’t, no matter how you want to word it, he hasn’t joined anything, just because the group have made an advert mocking up things he has said before. That’s like national using things labour have said in attack ads and claiming oh look Jacinda has joined national. Btw just to confirm you because you seem a bit easily lead, Jacinda has not joined national
      
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      June 16, 2020 3:05pm
- virtualmark
  
  Lindsey Graham has joined “Lindsey Graham for Lindsey Graham”.
  
  No matter what he might have said in 2016 Lady G will never again bite the hand that blackmails him …
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:32pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘ Lady G will never again bite the hand that blackmails him …’
    
    Oh goody, another of your fantasies like Russia collusion
    Tell us more
    ????
    What.a.?
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:58pm
Tony Stuart

Two new cases of COVID-19 today, detected at the border in people returning from the UK. I gather that the way the statistics work, New Zealand could have been declared to have eliminated the virus after 28 days of now new cases, and today would have been Day 24.

And over the Tasman, there are now two cases of COVID-19 stemming from the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne last week, with more expected. Frankly, it’s surprising the Government was so blase about the Auckland protest on Queen’s Birthday Monday.
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June 16, 2020 1:34pm
- chaos
  
  No no no no, we are covid free damnit, the team of five million, we beat it. Please return to the labour re-education camp immediately, watch out, re-education camps may have the same perverts as the youth camp
  
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  June 16, 2020 1:44pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Sounds like what’s his name on the Vicar of Dibley.
    
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    June 16, 2020 6:35pm
- SGA
  
  And over the Tasman, there are now two cases of COVID-19 stemming from the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne last week, with more expected.
  
  Aus seems to be regularing reporting a dozen cases (give or take) a day. Have been for a while now.
  
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  June 16, 2020 3:06pm
- bruceavon
  
  I have no idea why people who want to come here aren’t tested before they come and only be allowed in if negative and then again as soon as they arrive. Who else are we testing?
  
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  June 16, 2020 3:37pm
  - MCos
    
    All arrivées are tested, but this wasn’t so when these two came here. That was commenced a couple of days later.
    For all we know they may have been tested prior to leaving and been infected en route.
    All sorts of people have kicking up bobsie die about the heartlessness of the government for not letting people break the rules to see dying close relatives or attend funerals & now the government is incompetent for letting people break the rules to see a dying parent.
    
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    June 16, 2020 4:58pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      So they let germy ones in? Incompetent kindness?
      
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      June 16, 2020 6:38pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Weasel words Mcos….. Labour run show completely fucked up like….Kiwibuild….Tree planting…. Light Rail in Auckland…
      
      Your lot are dead set useless…. and now we are faced with more economic carnage due to there incompetence
      
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      June 16, 2020 6:43pm
- Two bob
  
  We have averaged 1 per week at the border but no mentions of it.
  when we were in lockdown these were counted in our stats and now to make cindy a saint theyre disregarded and not included.
  
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  June 16, 2020 6:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our PM is Fwustwated..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/jacinda-ardern-frustrated-she-s-still-earning-full-salary-despite-20-percent-pay-cut-promise.html
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June 16, 2020 2:17pm
- chaos
  
  She could donate some of her salary to those organisations dealing with those who have lost their job because of the lockdown.
  
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  June 16, 2020 2:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “It’s my money and you can’t force me not to take it. Those who lost jobs will be paid with welfare, ie your money, not mine”
    
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    June 16, 2020 3:24pm
- Jimmy White
  
  Cindy: Just write out a cheque, or contact me and I will give you my Bank account number.
  
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  June 16, 2020 3:36pm
surfing

Fuck the government for allowing infected people from the UK to attend funerals in NZ, when kiwis were not even allowed to visit dying loved ones!!

Does this mean we have to go back to level 2 or 3?
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June 16, 2020 2:20pm
- chaos
  
  Yes kiwis can now visit dying loved ones and attend funerals
  
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  June 16, 2020 2:58pm
- JerJer
  
  Don’t think so. I think this time it means pure incompetence has finally won the day.
  
  My bet, any return to level 2 or 3 will be generally ignored…and rightly so.
  
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  June 16, 2020 3:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If the PTPM can get the control back, she will do anything
  
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  June 16, 2020 3:25pm
- Jimmy White
  
  At typical Govt Stuff up. “We have changed our protocols and now will require a negative test before…..?”
  “He/She was ill but she put the symptoms down to a pre-occurring condition.“.. i.e we took He/her word for it….?
  We only have a plane load of people, Airport staff, all people in the isolation centre including staff and uncle tom wobbly and all to now find and check
  
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  June 16, 2020 3:28pm
- fernglas
  
  1) It wasn’t a funeral
  2) They were either citizens or permanent residents
  
  BUT
  3) They weren’t tested on arrival, which would have picked up the infection before they were allowed out
  4) They will have been in contact with a significant number of people who have since been discharged from isolation and returned into the community
  5) They will have been in contact with a number of officials who, if my experience is anything to go by, will have been going to and fro from the facility and associating with others.
  6) Those officials are unlikely to have been tested.
  The notion that we can remain Covid free with the level of incompetence which manifests itself in the isolation process is absurd. The fact that tests have not been conducted on new arrivals, that assessments have relied on self-reporting when so many infections are asymptomatic, and the complete lack of control over mingling between people at different stages of their quarantine have been raised regularly in the media by people who have been through the process, and have been dismissed by Health Dept officials. Until the Health people face up to their responsibilities, we can expect to be subject to regular introductions of this virus via the border.
  
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  June 16, 2020 3:35pm
  - SGA
    
    3) They weren’t tested on arrival, which would have picked up the infection before they were allowed out
    
    Is that true? They arrived on the 7th were in isolation until the 13th (when they were allowed out). Are you sure they weren’t tested in that time in isolation? I got the impression (perhaps erroneously) that they didn’t perform a unscheduled check before hitting the road, but turned up for their next scheduled one in Wellington? Is that how it worked.
    
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    June 16, 2020 4:04pm
    - fernglas
      
      No. At the time they went into isolation, tests were only performed on those who reported symptoms. In this case, one had symptoms which she put down to a “pre-existing condition” (and therefore didn’t report) and the other was asymptomatic. There is capacity to perform about 10,000 tests a day, but until we went into level 1, new arrivals were not tested. These two were only picked up because they had to go to a testing facility in Wellington as part of their release programme. And knowing the regime that existed before level 1, they will have been in contact with others who have been released into the community, and with a combination of people from the Ministry of Health, border security, Police and possible other branches of the services, most of whom will not have been regularly tested either (or so it was when I did my lag in late April)
      
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      June 16, 2020 4:16pm
      - MCos
        
        All arrivals are now tests, but that came in a couple of days after they arrived.
        
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        June 16, 2020 5:03pm
      - kwkiwigirl
        
        The person who had symptoms clearly lied about it. You can tell that from the statement that he/she ‘put it down to a pre existing disorder’. Ie he/she did not disclose it. There should be some sort of fine for that kind of behaviour when so much is at stake.
        
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        June 16, 2020 8:15pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They only got tested yesterday (Monday) after they had travelled to Wellington with symptoms of Covid-19
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/coronavirus-full-details-of-new-zealand-s-two-new-covid-19-cases-revealed.html
      
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      June 16, 2020 4:21pm
    - Two bob
      
      nope no tests and notice the govt changed their stance on this recently!!!
      Wonder why they changed the testing policy? coincidence? I think not
      
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      June 16, 2020 6:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Chaz, Seattle thugs.
Liz Wheeler OAN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuNPmewUTVI
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June 16, 2020 2:27pm
- Jimmy White
  
  Its now CHOP (Capital Hill Occupied Protest).
  
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  June 16, 2020 3:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Capitol Hill is in DC, not Washington State.
    Did I miss something?
    
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    June 16, 2020 3:46pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      It’s also a district of Seattle, Washington.
      Confusing right?
      
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      June 16, 2020 4:28pm
  - Two bob
    
    seattles peoples autonomous zone SPAZ thats suits better
    
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    June 16, 2020 6:09pm
surfing

Weasel words from Bloomfield, trying to cover-up a clusterf***k!
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June 16, 2020 3:15pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Another one.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:13pm
cmm

Kids, please fetch your biggest box of crayons and explain to me why we have a quarantine system where people do not have to be tested or managed properly before leaving? What is the bloody point?

Silly me… it is all just theatre. Got quarantine: tick the box.

Bloody muppets can’t even run a quarantine.
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June 16, 2020 3:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We don’t want those numbers cmm. We just want numbers of any more remote possible posidive cases so we can crack down on it.
  Anyone? Please anyone think they have Covid any fucking thing? Please – team of 5 million, please. I am having a fucking anxiety attack here coz 50% of the control has gone
  
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  June 16, 2020 3:53pm
lifesgood

The sainted ones have royally stuffed up. Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Except I do mind. It is outrageous. The poor businesses that have only just started to get up and running are now facing a potential outbreak and lockdown because these two couldn’t organise a booze up in a brewery. What a bloody lie to say that these two infected people drove all the way between Auckland and Wellington without stopping once. Hello? Toilet stops, cafe stops, leg stretching stops. It beggars belief they can say that with a straight face.
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June 16, 2020 3:57pm
- fernglas
  
  A car that does 640k on a single tank of gas? Wish I had one
  
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  June 16, 2020 4:20pm
  - MCos
    
    A car with 55litre tank would need to do 8.6l/100km which is not unusual.
    
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    June 16, 2020 5:21pm
  - Inandout
    
    lifesgood: My 2.0 Civic will, but my bladder wouldn’t last that time without a toilet stop.
    
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    June 16, 2020 7:39pm
BananaLlama

The World has gone mad.
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June 16, 2020 4:06pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Was it us first? Being first is very important to us apparently. If not first, early and hard. Which is better than hard and early?
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:32pm
Fletch

This African American guy nails it on BLM etc. Black people have to start caring about the black people killed by other black people in their own neighborhoods, not the ones killed by cops.

https://www.facebook.com/kashlee.kelly/videos/554536008770728/
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June 16, 2020 4:13pm
Left Right and Centre

“Because people are hurting, and I didn’t do this to ostracise and hurt people, I didn’t want to remind people of oppression and suffering when they came to the venue. I wanted people to have fun, and I wanted the space to make some kind of positive difference to the community.”

The ‘hurt people’ are a tiny minority of ignorant morons. Why would the name remind people of oppression and suffering? Should NZ be ashamed of James Cook? Was he evil? Is he a hated historical figure?
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June 16, 2020 4:14pm
oldfella

Oh, dear, 2 new cases of Covid-19. Whoops!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340371
How will the international media report this? Because their favourite Kiwi heroine was supposed to have eradicated the virus from our shores.
Just waved her magic wand and said, be gone, out damn spot, and it went. Not.
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June 16, 2020 4:14pm
- Inandout
  
  oldfella: I feel a cancelled election coming on, what absolute luck for Cindy.
  
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  June 16, 2020 5:59pm
oldfella

I think tonight’s TV news will be very interesting.
The Wuhu flu is back AND NZ cop cock-ups allowed Aussie mass killer to buy guns he should never have been able to own. Hmm…
Too many bad news stories like that and some of Cindy’s Tinkerbell dust might start to rub off.
And it’s still a few months to the election.
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June 16, 2020 4:20pm
- JerJer
  
  I wonder if that little dance was all worth it. Dancing around while WuFlu walked right back into the country, unchecked, ironically just like the first time.
  
  Who’s for going HARD and going EARLY.
  
  Little dance anyone ?
  
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  June 16, 2020 4:48pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Only if she dances like Justin Lester… (and not Hugh Grant)
    
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    June 16, 2020 5:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don’t think I saw anything about the gun-licensing cock-up….and there was spin,spin,spin over the Covid-19 cock-up on both TV1 and Prime.
  
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  June 16, 2020 7:36pm
woodburner

Watch the worm start to turn now. A second round of infections was always going to be the major risk to the govt. They burned all their political capital with the lockdown, I think with the public’s expectation that if they (we) did our part, then the govt would uphold its end of the deal. Today’s news shows the govt is failing at keeping the virus out through ham-handed quarantines. I think the public may start to turn on the govt pretty severely if this becomes a trend
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June 16, 2020 4:35pm
- Prince
  
  There are so many holes in Bloomfield’s account. Why were the pair allowed out without a test ?
  Why is everyone not tested at the border ? Where did they relieve themselves between Auckland and Wellington ? Were they in the Auckland facility managed by Mike Bush, who allowed the ‘inmates’ to walk around the city ?
  Our Government, and Bureaucracy tells us what a great job they are doing, but we constantly see holes in their practice – eg the Wellington hotel contact, the Auckland non-isolation, the porous borders.
  
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  June 16, 2020 4:57pm
Prince

Andrew Little desperately trying to keep his record of being the only Treaty minister not to complete a settlement. Quite remarkable given the braying the Coalition does about its support for Maori.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121840850/minister-wont-bow-to-treaty-group-refusing-to-hold-elections

I guess it goes along with his record of being the Pike River minister to find..nothing but some robots we knew about. And the minister of Justice who spent a few million on a Hui that achieved…nothing.
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June 16, 2020 4:50pm
- double d
  
  THAT IS A TWYFORD LIKE ACHIEVEMENT.
  
  Seriously
  
  Cannon fodder for the leader of the opposition David Seymour!
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:35pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I hope Shane has something to show for his money too. Accountably so and value.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:38pm
oldfella

So Cindy is frustrated that her pay cut hasn’t happened yet. Really?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121843524/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-still-hasnt-had-a-pay-cut–and-shes-frustrated
She could have immediately started donating a portion to local charities (Trump donates all of his salary).
BTW, she says the parliamentary wage cuts will last for six months, but what happens to members who are turfed out or retire in Sept? Will the six month period extend over to include their 3 months ‘going away’ cushions? And will incoming MPs also have to share the pain with some kind of pay cut?
Lots of questions to be answered on this. Get Twatford onto it. He’s great at making things happen.
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June 16, 2020 4:55pm
kwkiwigirl

From everyone in the Wellington region -Just want to say thanks very much NOT to the aviation security official who let these two people from the UK with covid out from quarantine without even testing them. Well done for inflicting these two UK people on our town and now have us go through 14 days of doubt over whether we have covid here or not.

Now everyone in our region is wondering if they have set loose the virus. The people concerned should thank their lucky stars they were allowed to leave to see their relative. Everyone else has had to do their time even if they had dying parents.

I have a friend who was not even allowed out for exercise one day under quarantine for being 2 minutes late for exercise slot. Her mother was as sick as these people’s parent.

Cannot believe these people are now ‘self isolating’ wtf??@&?? Bloomfield needs to stand down who ever authorised these people to leave quarantine for Wellington without testing.
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June 16, 2020 5:11pm
- Two bob
  
  really hope they attended a BLM protest. ill be in hysterics if they spread this good.
  
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  June 16, 2020 6:13pm
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    That infected pair have screwed it for a lot of the people in Auckland working at the novotel as well.
    
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    June 16, 2020 10:10pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Mr Nobody is responsible for all cock-ups, Jacinda all the glitter and glory.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:41pm
greybeard

Helen Clark has told Jacinda Ardern to tell David Clark to tell Ashley Bloomfield to tell the authorities to tell people to be prepared for more stringent rules regarding CV-19 exemptions.

Did I miss anyone ?
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June 16, 2020 5:54pm
- Two bob
  
  the memos on cindys desk next to rob fyfes letter.
  
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  June 16, 2020 6:14pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  H2 has a lot to say about health.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear,
everybody else has to pay the price for the Health Dept f***-ups.

Minister of Health David Clark says he is disappointed to learn that the two latest cases of Covid-19 were not tested before leaving their facility under a special exemption.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018750927/health-minister-temporarily-suspends-compassionate-exemptions-from-quarantine
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June 16, 2020 6:26pm
- double d
  
  How disappointing
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:37pm
[email protected]

Two new cases of covid-19 infection despite the “best efforts” of our border security.

I never would have thought that I would say this but let’s get some security gates up between Auckland and the rest of the country.

I’m not keen to get locked down again.
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June 16, 2020 6:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think we need security gates.
  I just think we need some competent people to take charge.
  
  If countries like Taiwan and S.Korea can organise some basic testing and quarantine as folks arrive in the country… why can’t we?
  
  If folks are meant to be tested on day 3 and day 12 after arriving in the country, then just do it.
  Clark said it was his expectation that people were tested at three days and 12 days since their arrival, based on advice from the Ministry of Health.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018750927/health-minister-temporarily-suspends-compassionate-exemptions-from-quarantine
  
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  June 16, 2020 6:54pm
  - Jack5
    
    Not only NZ is having problems with Wuhan-flu imports.
    
    Taiwan, a leader in containment of the pandemic, has reported two new cases coming through border.
    
    The cases were a married couple returning from working in Bangladesh, where they contracted Covid-19, but were discharged after treatment and subsequently tested negative.
    
    The Taipeh Times reports:
    
    They were diagnosed with COVID-19 and hospitalised in Bangladesh on May 25 and May 28 respectively.
    
    The man’s symptoms had alleviated by May 26 and he tested negative twice for the coronavirus on May 28 and June 2.
    
    The woman tested negative only once, on June 2, but the hospital said it had too many patients and allowed her to leave.
    
    They were discharged from the hospital on June 2 and remained at home in Bangladesh until Friday, when they left for Taiwan.
    
    Eleven crew members on the Bangladesh-Taipeh flight are “self-health management” and 23 passengers who sat near the couple on the flight have been put in “home quarantine”.
    
    Taiwan has been free of local transmission of the virus for 64 days.
    
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    June 16, 2020 9:49pm
Surely Knott

NZ Herald’s article (is an imported american academic’s opinion piece) on how the name “Karen” became a”powerful social commentary” on white privilege. When in fact it’s just plain old racism and name calling. She says we can assume by the first name someones race gender and social status. Hence we can assume Karen is white, officious and privileged. Sure. Just the same as if someone started the meme don’t be such a Rangi. I thought to do so was classic racist stereotyping. But perhaps not. The racism towards white and white women is overt and approved by academics and media.
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June 16, 2020 6:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hmmmmmmm..

I thought we could launch rokets ourselves…

Looks like the USA-owned Rocket Lab needs to bring in its own experts to launch “our” rockets.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/419143/government-allowed-26-rocket-lab-employees-into-new-zealand
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June 16, 2020 6:31pm
- chaos
  
  Didn’t they contain military cargo? If so the USA military would of had their people here for it
  
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  June 16, 2020 8:02pm
Nookin

It’s astonishing really. Two people get exemptions and, despite one showing symptoms, neither is tested. Instead they hop into a car and make their way to Wellington, presumably without conditions of restrictions. When they test positive our kindly PM cancels all compassionate leave. No matter that future applicants will be tested -possibly twice – no matter that in another case they may travel a couple of km. Sledgehammer/nut?

And now we learn that the big gun buy-up was precipitated by an investigator relying on a reference provided a father and son who never met Tarrant, knew nothing about him other than what they learned on a chat line. Outcome. Tarrant was expressly permitted to stock up! Reaction: legislation rammed thru without thought or discussion. Legislation that NZF look now to be re-visiting.
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June 16, 2020 7:25pm
- kwkiwigirl
  
  That infected pair have screwed it for a lot of the people in Auckland working at the novotel as well.
  
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  June 16, 2020 10:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear…
Jacinda Ardern doesn’t understand White Privilege.

“Check your privilege, you ain’t our white saviour, you’re just another agent of the crown,”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/jacinda-ardern-called-out-for-saying-nz-has-always-been-against-racism-despite-dawn-raids-ihum-tao-bastion-point.html
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June 16, 2020 8:12pm
- Tall Man
  
  ardern doesn’t understand a lot of things Maggy.
  
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  June 16, 2020 9:15pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

People are waking up finally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=566&v=dMilQ7LSyWo&feature=emb_logo
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