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CJames

It is now emerging that the person who shot the police last week was a gang member, high on drugs and had a semi-automatic rifle. He almost certainly wasn’t a registered gun owner and his weapon escaped the gun buyback scheme. The whole unfortunate incident seems to show a total failure of government policies on so many levels. Where is the accountability for the death of the constable?
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June 23, 2020 8:00am
- igm
  
  Then there was the car stopped yesterday carrying a semi auto shotgun . . . it was not a farmer or gun club member. Must be one of Nash’s gym club mates!
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:18am
  - RightFirstTime
    
    Or “Nashy”as Mark Mitchell likes to affectionately refer to his Parliamentary mate. The Nashy and Mitch spot on Newstalk ZB lacks any credibility.
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:20am
    - chukar
      
      RFT
      Gnashy more like
      
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      June 23, 2020 6:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And what’s the odds that he wasn’t in anyway connected with far-right extremists?
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:22am
  - fernglas
    
    Analyse gang ideology and you’ll find that it’s not exactly raving left.
    
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    June 23, 2020 8:36am
    - Justitia
      
      ideology? Primeval grunts and howls…ever seen a Mongrel Mob ceremony?
      
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      June 23, 2020 9:39am
      - fernglas
        
        Yes. And not on the telly.
        
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        June 23, 2020 11:50am
    - Harriet
      
      So they support the rule of law then Fernglas?
      
      Seems to everyone else that they are somewhere in the middle — amongst confused senior police!! 😎
      
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      June 23, 2020 10:01am
    - kowtow
      
      Analyse what the Media Party call “far right” and you’ll find it’s not exactly raving right either.
      
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      June 23, 2020 10:57am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Fernglas isn’t wrong if his point is that extreme right and left are both authoritarian, violent and fascist. Pretty darn similar when ppl don’t have equal human rights and democracy is dead.
      
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      June 23, 2020 1:22pm
      - fernglas
        
        Exactly. A culture that treats women as possessions, violence as a method of control, “sieg heil” as an affectionate greeting, racial identification as a prerequisite of membership and crime as a tool for material acquisition has to be positioned somewhere on the extremes. If the only choice is between left and right, then I thought right was more apposite
        
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        June 23, 2020 3:21pm
    - Durden
      
      Except for maximising collection of benefits directly or through their harems of breeding mothers for no attempts to find work.
      
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      June 23, 2020 3:21pm
- Two bob
  
  everything hints at a semi auto but has it been said officialy by police?
  there will be zero accountability but in all fairness scum will always get weapons and want to hurt ppl, lockem up and get them off the streets is the only way but govt reluctant to do so.
  I only hope this dosent come back and hurt law abiding FAL holders or the 1st police death in many years is ammo to re arm our police force.
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:26am
  - igm
    
    Coster the Imposter has possibly told his subordinates not to identify anything that may offend his te reo frriends.
    
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    June 23, 2020 8:44am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      It seems writing the truth invariably attracts downticks.
      
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      June 23, 2020 10:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Locking them up would cost votes
    
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    June 23, 2020 8:51am
    - GT Build
      
      But Andrew is fixing that
      
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      June 23, 2020 9:00am
  - CJames
    
    There was a statement about 12 shots being fired at the injured cop, yet the witnesses described hearing only three shots. Not said officially as semi-automatic, but that would be a deliberate policy by police management because it would have shown up the farce of the buyback.
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/massey-police-shooting-injured-officer-fired-at-more-than-a-dozen-times/
    
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    June 23, 2020 8:58am
  - peterwn
    
    Arming the Police would not helped here. Indeed it could lead to more Police fatalities.
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:39am
    - RF
      
      Jesus mate.
      
      The unarmed cop did not have chance and was shot down like a dog.
      
      A firearm might have saved his life.. he deserved better.
      
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      June 23, 2020 12:43pm
      - MT_Tinman
        
        A serious question so that I may understand.
        
        A firearm might have saved his life
        
        He was shot by a rifle from a distance by an assailant who may have been the fellow who came to help the one who drove away from the attempted interception.
        
        We (the public) simply don’t know.
        
        Please explain to an old halfwit like me just how carrying a sidearm (instead of having a gun in his vehicle as he did) would have saved him?
        
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        June 23, 2020 1:31pm
      - backster
        
        MT……..If his sidekick had a sidearm he might have drawn it before the victim approached the killer.
        
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        June 23, 2020 4:15pm
    - amospicton
      
      You might be right but it is also possible that knowledge the two police officers were armed might have caused this fine upstanding citizen to leave his gun in his car.
      
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      June 23, 2020 2:05pm
- Lance
  
  As long as there are idiots going around buddying up to the criminal gangs and waxing on about cultural expressions etc, then how is the scourge of meth ever going to be dealt with?
  Gangs exist to create wealth off the misery of others, they spread destruction, harm and death.
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:36am
  - Justitia
    
    and they run roadblocks to harass law-abiding citizens and enforce their “borders” with Jacinda’s blessing…
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:38am
    - amospicton
      
      Speaking of Jacinda I haven’t heard a word from her about this awful incident. No hugs for the poor young man’s parents?
      
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      June 23, 2020 2:07pm
      - Durden
        
        Either done quietly which would be great, or the family told her to piss off because of their policies. The family definitely got the short shrift on compassionate release of family members ariving for the funeral from mandatory quarantine.
        
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        June 23, 2020 3:23pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        non-black lives don’t matter.
        
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        June 23, 2020 9:28pm
- Gravelroad
  
  One law for entitled criminals – another for the law abiding citizens trying to do the right thing.
  Shame our country has come to this so quickly.
  The gun buy back and subsequent punitive laws are a joke to the gangs, but are an unwarranted punishment for those prepared to obey.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:01am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    All the legal FAL holders I know, complied fully with the buyback, as did I, because we have careers and jobs and (previous to the Xivirus) overseas visas/flights and so forth at risk. Because as we have seen with the raids on the law-abiding, the Govt and its enforcers will come down every very hard on the law-abiding if we do not.
    
    The gangs and other crims do not GAF, and they have been proven correct not to do so. No raids, just invites to tea FFS. I did not used to think NZ Police’s senior managers were cowardly, but they clearly are.
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:16am
- Philview
  
  Any thoughts from Andrew Little on this one? He usually has a lot to say about the impact of colonisation and institutional racism as a cause of offending and high prison rates. Labour must have him muzzled this week.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:27am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Nah, he’s probably still hung over from his distemper shots…
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:16am
- Clyde
  
  Get rid of gangs and put everyone of their membership under lock and key for a long time and half of NZ’s problems would disappear. Compulsory sterilisation of them would help the future. But the alternative seems to be to say “tut tut, it must have been our fault for dragging them from the stone-age into the modern world”. FFS
  
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  June 23, 2020 10:27am
MT_Tinman

In Government offices throughout the world the same conversation takes place:

“Righto chaps and chapesses the virus is not as bad as we were led to believe and it’s pretty much under control.

We need to get the country moving again. You know, get people spending, moving around, going on holiday and generally feeling better about their lives.

This, of course, will lead them to vote for us next election.

(Often there are hoots of derision or sustained laughter at this point.)

No but seriously chaps, and chapesses, we need exports to start flowing and happy people. Now where can we allow people to go?”

One bright chap pipes up “How about that outfit in the middle of nowhere leader, the one that pretended to be virus-free?

New Zealand?”

The leader pauses, obviously considering the question then frowns.

“No” he says, “No good at all.

They kept pretending they were virus free. They weren’t. They just wanted the world press to adore their leader.

They came up with the don’t test = no confirmed virus strategy. Too dishonest even for us.

What their situation is now we don’t know but we certainly can not trust them.

New Zealand stays on the prohibited country list for now.

Anywhere but there!”
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June 23, 2020 8:01am
- Wayne Mapp
  
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  Well, of course everyone knows that New Zealand is the absolute worst country in the developed world for Covid. There are thousands dying, just like Sweden. There is rampart community transmission, just like the US. Among the lowest rates of testing, just like the UK.
  Clearly much worse than Australia, who are absolutely going to keep their border locked against the hordes of covid ridden refugees desperate to escape the disease ridden hellhole of New Zealand.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:14am
  - Jacinda Ardhern
    
    Jeez Wayne!
    
    I thank the good Lord every morning on my knees that you no longer in government misrepresenting the wishes of traditional National Party supporters.
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:21am
    - Harriet
      
      If Muller is reading GD he’d be thinking more or less the same thing —- that Wayne’s out of touch with what National are currently saying. 😎
      
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      June 23, 2020 9:55am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Still struggling to read Wayne?
    
    Your comment bears no relation to mine but mine’s written better.
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:26am
  - lifesgood
    
    Say what you like Wayne. The govt lied, end of. Trust once lost cannot be regained.
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:35am
    - amospicton
      
      Exactly they lied and spun and misrepresented and celebrated victory and took every accolade that came their way. They turned the whole thing into some form of Covid Olympics…..while they were winning. When it was discovered that hubris, incompetence and stupidity had caught up with them, blame, blame, spin, hide and divert. Pathetic.
      
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      June 23, 2020 2:11pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Last time I checked Sweden wasn’t overrun with cases not indeed has much higher rates of cases/fatalities than other northern and western European nations.
    
    Ignoring the Washington Post/NY Times/Guardian/SMH dribble with manipulated statistics there is little evidence, other than being treated as a leaper by their neighbors that Sweden’s approach has been a disaster. The handful of Swedes I know are aghast how the international media has been inaccurately painting the picture.
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:37am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Sweden has ten times the COVID death rate of Norway and Finland.
      
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      June 23, 2020 10:30am
      - Kleva Kiwi
        
        Hi Wayne. Im not sure you actually understand what is happening and what these statistics represent.
        
        On the one hand, countries are trying to minimize or eliminate the virus such as NZ and Finland, with the hope a vaccine can be created in the near future and distributed to the population. On the other hand, highly condensed communities such as the UK and US which had no chance of containment, are riding it out as best they can. There population will achieve a lower transmition rate faster the longer it takes to find a vaccine, if one can be made at all.
        
        Do not get lost in the reported death statistics, they are meaningless and sensationalized by the media. It is all about managing the virus until either a vaccine or herd immunity is achieved. Whoever has it right wins, because if a vaccine is 5 years away, NZ will remain isolated from the world for a long, long time, where Sweden will have its doors open far sooner.
        
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        June 23, 2020 10:48am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        KlevaKiwi
        I get my data from the Worldometer. No-one has suggested their data, at least in respect of developed countries, is wrong.
        
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        June 23, 2020 12:53pm
      - backster
        
        Yep but they are almost all in Stockholm among the elderly the second city Malmo has few cases.
        
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        June 23, 2020 4:20pm
  - freethinker
    
    Wayne – The difference is NZ coalition of clowns either lied or just didn’t bother to get the actual facts where as other countries leaders did and acted on them, even foolishly, better to be a fool than a Knave. Even better if you are a Knave (Ardern) to keep you mouth shut and leave people wondering if you are a fool.
    
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    June 23, 2020 11:46am
    - BeeJay
      
      My dear old Mum’s favourite – in full, just the way she used to tell us 7 kids –
      “It’s better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, than open it and remove all doubt”
      (We didn’t always do as we were told over the years, but at times I still hear her voice echoing in my ears!)
      
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      June 23, 2020 12:20pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Some of these comments give the impression that they think New Zealand has done a terrible job in respect to COVID, relative to other developed countries. It is a ludicrous proposition. No-one who is even remotely prepared to take a balanced view thinks that.
      Which is not to say there haven’t been some problems, but to blow these up to suggest that NZ has one of the worst records in the developed world in respect to COVID defies common sense.
      
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      June 23, 2020 12:59pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Until we have mass testing we will have no idea of whether we are achieving Herd Immunity.
        I don’t think there will be a vaccine, so with no Herd Immunity then we are stuffed economically as we won’t be able to open- ever.
        
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        June 23, 2020 1:06pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Wayne, jobs and economy are an essential part of long-term death rates. Yes so far we have fewer direct Covid deaths, but this government’s extreme, economy destroying approach to covid will overall cause more deaths over the next years.
        
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        June 23, 2020 1:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Wayne Mapp
        
        We are just as vulnerable now as we were at the end of February when our Government let a whole of infected people enter the country and spread the virus around.
        
        The only up-side now is that some our care-givers have finally got decent PPE.
        
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        June 23, 2020 1:52pm
      - Faroffsound
        
        Speak for yourself.
        
        I try to take a balanced view but it appears that the Government delayed action for too long then panicked, overdid the lockdown and did way more damage to the economy than was necessary.
        
        “Eliminating” the virus was always going to be impossible unless the borders were closed and with the current border shambles the team of five million could be excused for being less than happy with the current situation.
        
        And the country is now up to its eyeballs in debt …
        
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        June 23, 2020 2:02pm
      - Harriet
        
        “……Which is not to say there haven’t been some problems…..”
        
        If $50 billion and 100k unemployed is ‘just some problem’ to you Wayne — then you are really out of touch. Due to how big and long this problem is, some kiwi women will now have less kids because of this Wayne!!!!!!!!!!!!
        
        And that’s why older people like myself are sick and tired of National —– as they’ve NEVER got anything serious to say.
        
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        June 23, 2020 3:19pm
      - Durden
        
        So we had 24 days of no cases at quarantine. Then when actual testing starts on the 3 and 12 days — and bang we have 10 cases in a few days.
        
        Want to take a bet Wayne that there were a few that we don’t know of that got through and are floating around in the community?
        
        Bloomfailed is useless–says he does not know the stats.
        
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        June 23, 2020 3:29pm
  - Roy
    
    Why do you and other “”limited looking” people keep quoting Sweden verses Norway/Finland.
    
    Cheery picking extra ordinaire.
    Why not compare Sweden to another nearby European neighbour? Belgium.
    
    Humm. your argumant starts to fall apart.
    
    For close(ie shared borders) look at Belarus.
    No restrictions. 37 deaths/Mill
    Poland Restrictions 36 deaths/mill
    Russia Resrictios to the North 56 deaths/mill
    
    Wayne we can all cherry pick.
    
    It doenst change the parameters thaat helped keep NZ rates/fatilities down
    A bloody big moat. So no day troppers driving across the border
    
    Low population density
    
    No real (packed) mass transit
    
    Summer time so majority of population soaking u Vitamin D and being outside.
    
    Etc Etc.
    
    I am sure that doing your Phd you would not have entertained a cause & effect argument thaat you have posited above.
    
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    June 23, 2020 6:08pm
artemisia

Retailers circumventing the plastic bag ban with slightly thicker bags. I don’t suppose supermarkets will follow suit because money.

Nobody prosecuted so far, so the big fines are not tipping into government coffers. Don’t tell the government!

I would prefer the ban to be voluntary, and with such a remarkably low level of complaints BYO seems to be generally working.

The company referred to in the article – there is a link through to the another item on the impact the company will have on local businesses. I went there for the first time last week – will definitely be back. Large selection, good prices, efficient and helpful service. Offered a bag but declined.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/121906873/400-plastic-bag-breaches-reported–but-businesses-are-getting-around-the-ban
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June 23, 2020 8:08am
- JackRabbit
  
  Supermarket plastic bags were always going to be more hygienic. And since bio-degradable plastic bags are readily available, I don’t see the issue.
  
  Most Supermarket plastic bags ultimately end up in land fill, but the mass of supermarket plastic bags in household waste is probably 1000 of that of other non recyclable plastic and other non biodegradable items.
  
  Banning supermarket plastic bags is like capturing the mouse that the cat bought in, and putting it outside, but ignoring the elephant. All virtue signalling.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:01am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    What gets me is that supermarkets are an ocean of plastic. Next time walk along and think about it. And none of that has changed. I saw an outfit last week selling plastic shrink wrapped corn cobs. So they peel the outer husk off the corn and wrap it in plastic.
    
    Then there is all the electronic and computer gear wrapped in plastic cam shells so tough you need a utility knife to break through.
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:49am
  - marcw
    
    How many bread bags go into landfill each week? They can’t be recycled. As opposed to the HDPE supermarket bags which a) could be recycled and b) had multiple other reuses. Like the rest of the COL decisions – just for the good feelz.
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:10am
    - artemisia
      
      Are those bread bags still OK to bury cash in the yard? Asking for a friend.
      
      Hopefully they will stay non degradable or my friend will be looking for a supply of ammo boxes.
      
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      June 23, 2020 10:28am
    - backster
      
      I recall reading that the cause of plastic in the ocean was not supermarket bags but discharge from washing machines. Our modern mass clothes made from reconstituted materials release tiny globules of plastics with every wash. That seems as believable as supermarket bags.
      
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      June 23, 2020 4:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is James Shaw’s next “ecological disaster” about to be unleashed?

The government has invested five years in researching the overall impacts of the ETS. But accountant Charles Rau believes it’s the biggest marketing con of his generation.

“It’s going to be an absolute ecological disaster, on top of being a financial disaster, on top of being an employment disaster, on top of being a community disaster. But at the moment, all the general public is seeing is, ‘plant a tree, it’s great’.”

Of course, it’s not just ‘a tree’, it’s “kilometres and kilometres of forestry”, farmer Henry Gaddum says.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2020/06/james-shaw-will-consider-biodiversity-credits-for-farmers-planting-trees-on-their-land.html
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June 23, 2020 8:11am
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  I note the Comms staff at Jizzy’s orders (and employed at your cost) are down-ticking promptly this morning!
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:14am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    JA ’tis unusual to see them out of bed so early.
    
    Shit it?
    
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    June 23, 2020 8:18am
    - GT Build
      
      Maybe benefit day
      
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      June 23, 2020 9:01am
    - pdm
      
      Probably David Clark – he doesn’t have anything else to do.
      
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      June 23, 2020 9:29am
    - hullkiwi
      
      They are out protecting the CoL’s reputation. They have also been busy on FB the last few days. Seems the past week has got the Liebore PR spin machine spooked.
      
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      June 23, 2020 10:44am
  - igm
    
    Maybe that is Woods’ exercise for the day, she not looking capable of anything else!
    
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    June 23, 2020 8:22am
    - G152
      
      You forget just how adept the pie princess is at disemboweling the tasty pastry
      
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      June 23, 2020 9:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Good-o,
    I’d be devastated if some of our comments were overlooked.
    
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    June 23, 2020 8:27am
    - Durden
      
      The mods must have an explanation.
      
      There is either a robot that automatically down ticks every comment and Kiwiblog techies can’t stop it OR it is a diligent progressive lefty anti-Kiwiblog flunky who job it is to read every comment and down tick it to prove they have read it and earn their money.
      
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      June 23, 2020 9:01am
      - Jimmy White
        
        They don’t need to be able to read. All they need to do is tell Red from Green. They don’t even need to get off the couch
        
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        June 23, 2020 9:12am
      - Jacinda Ardhern
        
        It’s the ‘OR’.
        
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        June 23, 2020 9:22am
      - fernglas
        
        Or some sad little loser who has nothing better to do with their day than read all the comments on Kiwiblog………….. oops!
        
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        June 23, 2020 9:24am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Jimmy – are you suggesting it’s Shane Jones’ neffs who are doing all the downticking?
        
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        June 23, 2020 9:46am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Tony, that would be too much effort for them.
        
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        June 23, 2020 10:46am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I think you’re ascribing a level of intelligence and organisation greatly beyond the wit or abilities of this pack of losers.
        
        Far more likely to be a quite fat, slightly gay, very smelly 32-year old with a BA from Massey or Waikato in gender studies or social justice or some such bollocks, living in the basement at his parents’ home, on his screen for 18 hours a day, raging.
        
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        June 23, 2020 9:56pm
- Justitia
  
  Yes, the planting of vast deserts of pinus radiata on farmland to appease the utterly discredited UN IPCC is reminiscent of Lysenkoism under Stalin which involved a ruthless campaign against agricultural science. And it will likely produce the same desolation. The economic and the environmental damage will be enormous. The Greens’ Stalinist credentials are on display here for all too see. This has to be stopped or New Zealand faces ruin.
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:28am
  - tf78
    
    A box of matches works in Aussie.
    
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    June 23, 2020 8:47am
  - Justitia
    
    Trofim Lysenko with Stalin’s support led a campaign in the 1930s against genetics which saw thousands of biologists rounded up and leading geneticists executed to suppress opposition to his quackery. The Greens’ opposition to gene-editing is yet another example of their debt to Lysenko. His legacy included the intensification of the disastrous famine caused by collectivization and Stalin’s eradication of family farms with the extermination of the kulaks. Perhaps we will see his legacy continued in the Greens’ next term as their quack policies continue to drive farmers off the land, including by suicide which is sadly all too common in rural areas these days.
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is a disaster. We are going to retire productive farms to plant pine trees to save the world from climate change. National had rocks for brains voting for zero carbon 2050. The Chinese will be looking at us and planning for the progressive acquisition. They have long planning timeframes.
  
  So we have borrowed 100 billion. And we are cutting primary producers to pay foresters “carbon credits”.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:54am
- Fletch
  
  As has been reported on the news the last couple of days, this planting of trees is all taking up valuable farming land. Waste of time and money and ruining NZ’s primary industries. And for what? Even if we were totally carbon-free right now it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference to the environment.
  
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  June 23, 2020 10:32am
KevO'Brien

Ihumatao
Commie land acquisition.
Out of the hands of the capable into Tywford.
☑️☑️Stop the Damage☑️☑️
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June 23, 2020 8:19am
- SmokerGuy
  
  If this goes ahead with taxpayer money I hope there will be a massive backlash against the government
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:57am
  - RJ
    
    If this goes ahead it sets a very major precedent. This country does not want to go down that path.
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:05am
- Durden
  
  So you buy the land under the “Housing Act”? No doubt to access Kiwibuild funding, but it will build zero housing or token housing and Labour and NZ First will pretend that they are keeping to the law.
  
  Again Labour being sneaky or clever might sound like a good tactic, but people are not stupid. And Winston First will also be shown up again as the shyster that he has always been.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:05am
  - oldfella
    
    I thought Winnie was against the occupation and any buyback of the land. Will he try and stop it?
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:58am
    - Two bob
      
      Winston will play whatever side he can grandstand the most.
      
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      June 23, 2020 11:38am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Jacinda is denying any announcement already. Polling whiplash must have been too great.
    
    Labour will announce the resolution as part of their first 100 days, but not before the election.
    
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    June 23, 2020 3:42pm
- Philview
  
  Was he in the mysterious ministerial car that sped away when spotted by a TV crew yesterday at Ihumatao?
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:30am
JibberJabber

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1275103513060786176
No greater satire than reality for the Lefttards.
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June 23, 2020 8:20am
- Tall Man
  
  Look at the current left leader in our country, stupidity runs deep in the deep, starting at the top.
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:52am
- Swifty
  
  JibberJabber – If of interest, please see this lecture from Richard Wolff, Professor of Economics Emeritus, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, about the wonders of Marx, worker co-ops and the evils of capitalism.
  
  https://youtu.be/a1WUKahMm1s?t=1446
  
  I’ve posted the link for part way onto the lecture so that it’s closer to the meaty bit. See how he characterises everything.
  
  I could say a lot about it in reply but I’ll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions.
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:57am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    He’s bang on the money that guy, after all both Winston and Jacinda have told us openly and repeatedly (well, it might actually have been just the once) that capitalism has failed.
    
    So glad my uni days are behind me. So, so glad.
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:11pm
- Swifty
  
  JibberJabber – sorry, I should also have said this is in response to your excellent Sowell postings, not related to your Tatiana McGrath post today.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:07am
- Durden
  
  The explanation for that car was that it was on a test run after having had a new battery put in.
  
  Honest, I heard it around the end of TVNZ’s Q&A last night.
  
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  June 23, 2020 10:05am
- oldfella
  
  Just learnt a new word: ‘Resegregation’.
  Sums it up in a nutshell.
  
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  June 23, 2020 11:02am
I remember when

Is this the way we should be looking at.
Aviro Clothing has developed anti-virus clothing with a coating that lasts for 30 washes.
There would obviously be a big market for the right sort of clothing of this type.
Another field that may be profitable would be PPE that allows safe breathing on planes and in regions where disease may be likely.
Otherwise, it will be a constant case of how much do we have to isolate every time of new virus appears.
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June 23, 2020 8:22am
- mark15
  
  I think outside seats on planes would be more effective.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:08am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    How about back to the days of Port Out, Starboard Home travel?
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:19am
- oldfella
  
  Anti-virus clothing? What about nudists? (Just asking for Paul Henry.)
  
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  June 23, 2020 11:03am
Nukuleka

In light of the pending removal of the Cecil Rhodes statue from Oxford University’s Oriel College I wonder whether all the worthy recipients who benefited from Rhodes’ educational philanthropy through the establishment of the prestigious scholarships in his honour will be paying back the dirty money they received. I am sure that Bill Clinton and our own Chris Laidlaw will be first in line. Surely their consciences could not live with the guilt they must feel. They will be keen to display solidarity with the BLM movement, won’t they?
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June 23, 2020 8:26am
- pdm
  
  David Kirk is another Rhodes Scholar.
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:58am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    But Kirk is protectively woke and has just had an extra layer of immunity added in a recent press hagiography.
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:20am
- Philview
  
  I just watched the Jeffrey Epstein documentary on netflix. Although it was made by a friend of the Clintons (James Paterson). The revelation that Bill went to Epstein’s island retreat 26 times probably needs more scrutiny.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:37am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Obviously, he was only there for the golf and fishing?
    
    Not at all for the under-aged sex slaves….
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:47am
  - BeaB
    
    Much easier to pursue poor old duffer Prince Andrew and leave Clint0n and all the other powerful Americans alone.
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:30am
  - Two bob
    
    hilary went there several times also.
    
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    June 23, 2020 11:39am
- Jack5
  
  Chris Laidlaw? Don’t think he would be one of the ungrateful Rhodes scholars. He’s a descendant of a famous Confederate General – Stonewall Jackson. I think Laidlaw named one of his children Jackson.
  
  Laidlaw is an intellectual Leftie. Red Radio’s Sunday morning show that he ran dived when Wallace Chapman took over, though it’s recovered somewhat under Jim Mora.
  
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  June 23, 2020 10:12am
- Durden
  
  Here is the full list. Capitalists and Racists the lot of them. Ban their publications and banish them from public life. 🙂
  
  Which includes among others, Sir David Skeggs (straight talker on things virus) and one Felix Geiringer — lawyer for Nicky Hagar.
  
  http://www.universitiesnz.ac.nz/files/u12/New%20Zealand%20Rhodes%20Scholars%20Since%201904_0.pdf
  
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  June 23, 2020 10:19am
Maggie Pie

Personally, i find it very very disturbing that the ‘Ellerslie Novotel’ is being used as a government certified Covid Quarantine Facility.
Not only is it located close to the Northern Slopes of Remuera, but on a few occasions, me and my partner have actually stayed there.
It was sort of exciting to book a Suite, pack a couple of chilled Lansons in our carry-all, then head over for a full room-service dinner.
We’d be back home by midnight, no dishes, no mess. My partner would then pop back the next morning, settle the bill, and no one was any the wiser.
Well let me tell you, I honestly believe they’ll lose all their regular clientelle. As long as I have a hole in my bum, I’ll never ever set foot in that place again 🙁
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June 23, 2020 8:30am
- Inandout
  
  MP, I will never stay in any NZ motel for at least 5 years, until the permanent occupiers/quarantined are rehoused.
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:50am
  - kevn
    
    @InOut… The moteliers who are having to put out signs saying ‘No WINZ clients Here’ might not be impressed.
    They are trying to mitigate the situation.
    A quick call to a motel to ask, rather than on-line booking would clear it for you.
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m with you on the “homeless”.
    
    They turn a decent motel into a doss house so that is the first question we ask when booking.
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:57am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Gawd yes I&O – can u think of anything worse?
    I believe the Novotel has about 200 rooms & suites.
    They’re ALL currently occupied by suspected Covid carriers, coughing and spitting everywhere.
    Just imagine it 🙁
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:27am
JibberJabber

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/21/joe-biden-40-years-washington-problem/

No wonder Joe Biden is hiding in his basement.

“four decades of betrayal, calamity and failure.”
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June 23, 2020 8:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Bryce Edward’s summary of quarantine blunders

https://ysb.co.nz/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-fallout-from-the-covid-border-blunder/
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June 23, 2020 8:32am
- oldfella
  
  Also read the scathing comments. Ouch!
  
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  June 23, 2020 11:16am
MCos

Shortest day of the year and it was 19deg in Mangere Bridge yesterday.
Meanwhile
Wellington had 6min of sunshine for the whole of last week & today smothered in fog.
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June 23, 2020 8:34am
- Prince
  
  Only as far as Johnsonville. The rest of the city was bathed in sunshine.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:59am
- rangitoto
  
  The shortest day was on Sunday.
  
  Winter solstice Southern hemisphere = Sunday, 21 June 2020 at 9:43 a.m. NZST
  
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  June 23, 2020 10:03am
  - MCos
    
    You’re right Monday had 2secs more daylight than Sunday!
    https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/new-zealand/auckland
    
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    June 23, 2020 11:48am
Durden

And now reporters are heroes are they ?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018751377/the-journalists-who-helped-save-new-zealand-s-health-response

How you can write self-congratulatory articles praising their kind as “saviours” when their reputations are in tatters is beyond me. Michael Morrah deserves praise for being consistent and questioning. Steve Elers deserves kudos too. And he is not even a journalist.

Interesting also how RNZ carefully avoids blaming Jacinda for gloating, not asking basic questions and her premature smug celebrations.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018751377/the-journalists-who-helped-save-new-zealand-s-health-response
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June 23, 2020 8:43am
- G152
  
  Our socalled media have our hourly news/propaganda down to
  1) Anti white
  2) Anti right
  3) Anti Trump
  Any actual news is filler around those three
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:42am
  - Fletch
    
    And pro-climate activism…
    
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    June 23, 2020 10:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hahaha…
  Here’s a Political Science Professor at VUW calling these media folk back into line!
  
  This is no time to lose faith in the Government’s response. Political criticism from journalists and the Opposition is all well and good. It does not serve the country well if it undermines the trust, confidence, compliance and cooperation and ‘kindness’ necessary for New Zealanders to work together against Covid-19.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/06/23/1243845/the-media-needs-to-calm-down
  
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  June 23, 2020 11:44am
Inandout

So the Libyian UK stabber was anti gay, we hear on Hosking this morning. UK news media….shhhh….
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June 23, 2020 8:47am
Paulus

In Wellington yesterday it is said by a reputable Press person over coffee that they do not think Cindy is faring well currently.
It shows in her looks and personal welfare is suspect – she does not eat properly as well as she is too busy.
However she is going to open a school on Thursday in Christchurch where the children will be allowed to mob her and cheer.
She should appear to be disturbed in that C 19 has not gone away, as she told the world, how great she art, and those around her are not performing to her expectation except Two Pies Megan who is actually doing the work of two people well her own and Cindys.
The election is getting closer rapidly and it us believed that no matter how much money is shoveled people are tired of platitudes (except the Press Gallery) and the so called $50 million media.
Watch Megan as she is the only one doing well and could be a capable leader.
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June 23, 2020 8:56am
Greg Ettridge

Wonder what Neve’s cake will be next year?
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June 23, 2020 8:59am
- mark15
  
  This year’s looked like a piano.No,the cake…!
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:10am
- RF
  
  A stick insect.
  
  No wait that’s mum.
  
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  June 23, 2020 12:50pm
Stu2

Looks like the gungho reopening of the US economy is having real consequences

Some of the bad states

Format : case numbers 3 weeks ago, 2 weeks ago, last week and this week

Florida 757, 1111, 1661, 3103
Texas 1256, 1537, 1874, 3489
Arizona 508, 1008, 1245, 2412
Oklahoma 54, 106, 154, 326
California 2562, 2666, 3096, 3749

Looks like growth that will be hard to stop without another lockdown, but I doubt Trump will go there.

Lying about the numbers and trend in Oklahoma before his rally is his style

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/16/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s
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June 23, 2020 9:02am
- rangitoto
  
  There’s only a finite number who get sick. For most it is just an inconvenience or less.
  
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  June 23, 2020 10:06am
  - Stu2
    
    Hospital capacity can be a problem – it looks like full blown exponential growth in some of those states which go go anywhere
    
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    June 23, 2020 11:25am
Yvette

There is still no date for the sentencing of Brenton Tarrant over the March 15 mosque attacks.
On Thursday [April 30] Justice Mander issued a minute saying the matter had been adjourned until 2 June.
He hoped there would be some clarity by then around the Covid-19 alert setting the country would be in.
At Tarrant’s last appearance, Justice Mander said he wanted to ensure the Muslim community had the opportunity to attend the sentencing, something that was not possible under the current Covid-19 restrictions. – RNZ

“Something that was not possible under the current Covid-19 restrictions” – but surely now is.
At who’s decretion is the date to be set?
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June 23, 2020 9:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  As far as I know, everything in the Courts is still being done by video link. I think they are scheduled to return to “normal business” in early July.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:34am
  - peterwn
    
    There is no hurry The Judge will want him to appear in person and will no doubt ensure he is not wearing ear plugs.
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

And for the cherry-picker worried about West Siberia’s warm summer

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/06/22/scientists-panic-as-arctic-is-0-4f-warmer-than-in-1915/
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June 23, 2020 9:05am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy: Black Frost Matters.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:45am
Left Right and Centre

The Reading murderer was an asylum seeker from Libya. Terror attack.
One day they might use some common sense.
# UK lives matter.
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June 23, 2020 9:05am
- MT_Tinman
  
  common sense
  
  This is the country getting upset about someone flying an aeroplane visible from a soccer match with a streamer behind stating “White lives Matter”.
  
  I doubt they could spell “common sense”!
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:40am
- Inandout
  
  LRC: Gay lives obviously don’t.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:46am
Jimmy White

No baking needed. She will just pop in to Carlo’s Bakery in the Garment District of NY on her way to the UN headquarters.
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June 23, 2020 9:17am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Jimmy
  
  After the current debacle I dont think she will get a job at the UN
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:41am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Shit! I was hoping we’d at least get rid of her that way.
    
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    June 23, 2020 1:59pm
  - Flossie
    
    Not sure how many UN jobs in New York require just the ability to broadly smile, frown and nod, and dispense hugs (albeit to selected groups).
    
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    June 23, 2020 2:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

‘Into the Wild’ Bus. What to do with it.
https://craigmedred.news/2020/06/19/destination-unknown/?fbclid=IwAR3YBeW8-0NNPpYsJ4zngwPbECmms2npvL4HrIaUgEwb3_ViRHaxVSKMaPI
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June 23, 2020 9:25am
Happychappy

Just a point to show how incompetence the Government has been with their testing at the border, to my knowledge most Countdown Supermarkets have been open since the pandemic started and many customers who comment on here and other blogs like to inform others how useless they are. So my question is how many cases of CORID-19 have come out of visiting there supermarkets through the pandemic and they have been at the front of it since day one. If I am wrong I apologize but I have Googled and cannot find one case, so if they can restrict why have the Government made such a mess of it.
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June 23, 2020 9:26am
- Tall Man
  
  None.
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-15/will-i-get-coronavirus-at-the-grocery-store-unlikely
  
  My understanding, although ardern is meager with facts, that all cases were through personal and direct contact with an infected person.
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:50am
- MCos
  
  There’s a big difference between a supermarket and the various places that caused major clusters of virus infections.
  I never saw any close contact by way of hand shaking, hugging or kissing at any supermarkets. This would have been commonplace at the Gore wedding, the Hereford show, Marist College etc
  Most people at supermarkets wore masks and kept a good distance apart.
  
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  June 23, 2020 12:51pm
MT_Tinman

Large headline on Aljazeera english-language news site this morning:

Lack of leadership ‘greatest threat’ in coronavirus fight:

Were they looking at New Zealand when they typed it?
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June 23, 2020 9:37am
- Durden
  
  No. Take a look at Dr Tedros of WHO. All he makes is dire warnings and useless advice like “balance economy with peoples’ lives”. Useless Cassandra. No actual practical help coming from WHO. Nothing we do not know already.
  
  Pandemic is accelerating..world is in a new and dangerous place.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NYKGBkwofA
  
  Apparently we should wait for the “truce” i.e. WHO’s post-mortem to learn our lessons.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugGajkL0gCA
  
  Covid is teaching us humility. Asymptomatic transmission taking place..which was followed up two days later with “sorry, no its not”.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG22ql5yiCc
  
  Useless muppet heading a useless organisation.
  
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  June 23, 2020 3:46pm
Swifty

I encourage New Zealanders to take a look at these brief interviews with these African-American economists and commentators on ‘black’ achievement, education and political leadership etc – and reflect on the New Zealand experience of similar issues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ4KdPnkHM4

Interviewees include Thomas Sowell, Jason Riley, Bob Woodson, Walter E Williams and Shelby Steele.
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June 23, 2020 9:38am
- Fletch
  
  It’s telling that in 1870, the first black senator and the first black congressman were sworn in—both Republicans. Every black representative in the House until 1935 was a Republican. And every black senator until 1979 was, too. The first female member of Congress was a Republican; the first Hispanic governor and senator were Republicans. The first Asian senator, too.
  
  ps, there’s a new documentary out (only on streaming services so far, until a DVD on July 1) called Uncle Tom, which interviews black conservatives.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=587GhXvHzyc
  
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  June 23, 2020 10:49am
  - Swifty
    
    Cheers Fletch.
    
    I can see why many Dems will just HATE those black people with every molecule and be secretly wishing that they would just get back into their place.
    
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    June 23, 2020 11:06am
    - Mike
      
      Swifty
      Fletch is still very confused about American history – he thinks that the Democratic and Republican parties are just as they were in the 1860s.
      Heaven knows what he would make of the Democratic-Republican Party of earlier in the 1800s:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party
      You might be interested to see what happened to the Democratic and Republican parties as a result of the 1960s civil rights movement:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
      
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      June 23, 2020 1:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Mike I said still very confused about American history- he thinks that the Democratic and Republican parties are just as they were in the 1960’s.
        
        Lol
        
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        June 23, 2020 4:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        Meanwhile, a black activist says Jesus images are a form of white supremacy and must come down:
        
        https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/22/shaun-king-says-jesus-images-a-form-of-white-supre/
        
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        June 23, 2020 5:56pm
Frank the tank

A recent post of an old ACT poster regarding the anti smacking law on the Daily Blog has got me wondering.

Since the introduction of this bill has violence towards children in NZ improved?

This was the main argument for the law so I would be grateful if someone had some data on this.
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June 23, 2020 9:40am
- Two bob
  
  another set of stats that would be interesting is the crime and school suspension/expulsion stats for the age groups that came after the anti smacking laws.
  
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  June 23, 2020 11:49am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Come on, as we hear daily in the news: the only violence against children is babies being cruelly torn from the arms of weeping guiltless mothers by evil oranga tamariki!!
    
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    June 23, 2020 2:03pm
    - Batman
      
      Funnily enough, in the big report into OT, none of the mothers disagreed with the uplifts.
      
      They did object to the process, however.
      
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      June 23, 2020 2:18pm
Frank the tank

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/coronavirus-virus-expert-applauds-government-s-covid-19-testing-changes.html

How is a Physics professor a virus expert – can someone explain that to me?

Does no one proof read at Newshub?
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June 23, 2020 9:44am
aquataur

Latest utterance from our useless DG Health

Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield today reassured the public of Rotorua, saying the Government had “a lot” of experience on how to handle managed isolation safely.

How can this clown say such a thing with a straight face
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June 23, 2020 9:47am
Durden

Heard a programme on RNZ yesterday interviewing New Zealand born James Flynn, 86, Emeritus Professor of Political Studies, Otago University. Known for the “Flynn Effect”.

His book “In Defense of Free Speech: The University as Censor” was accepted for publication and then the British publisher pulled it saying it might be used to spread hate speech.

You have to listen to the Bolt interview for some clear thinking. You might not like the man’s politics but you have to admire the old fella for the clarity of his argument at an age when most of us will be drooling, demented and drugged up in an old peoples home somewhere..

Andrew Bolt with James Flynn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l09ii8jxCvw

Compare the meaty content of the above interview with the vapid pap in the interview by our own progressive lefty, Jacinda’s personal friend and fanboy Jesse Mulligan’s interview with him which RNZ aired yesterday. A total waste of opportunity. He quickly asked about his book right at the end of the interview and shut him down Obviously goes against his and his ilks belief. What a wonderful chance lost.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018751710/understanding-intelligence-professor-james-flynn

And here is one of Mulligan’s ilk, Danyl McLauchlan — that other Green wet who considers himself an “intellectual” with his take on it. There are some assertions he presents as facts that are just laughable–“There’s an active global white supremacist movement routinely carrying out terrorist attacks against minorities that they perceive to be their racial enemies”. Proof ? How about replacing ‘white supremacists’ with “soldiers of the peaceful religion” in you statement Danyl ?

https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/28-09-2019/the-book-that-isnt-banned/

The publisher who backed out was scared of the current environment on their pockets and profits. Which they are allowed to do. But it is bullshit to attribute any noble notions to justify their act.
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  Neither McLauchlan or Mulligan are fit to comment on Prof Flynn’s work. Mulligan especially.
  Quite frankly they woul dhave difficulty understanding what the Professor is writing about.
  
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  June 23, 2020 3:26pm
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June 23, 2020 10:11am
- Mike
  
  Your inability to recognise parody or satire never fails to amuse me.
  
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  June 23, 2020 2:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mike, you fuckwit. What do you think // means?
    Joke is on you sonny
    
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    June 23, 2020 3:11pm
jedmo

Have never been on Twitter, but just joined PARLER, in order to be able to follow Katie Hopkins, who has transferred to Parler after being given a lifetime ban from Twitter, for using the phrase “hung like a baboon”.
The utter tone deafness and moral bankruptcy of Twitters politically correct posturing and policing, is seen from the context in which courageous Katie used the terrifyingly offensive phrase,
After some troll threatened some form of physical outrage on her person, she replied along lines of, he’d better be “hung like a baboon”.
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June 23, 2020 10:24am
- Fletch
  
  I’ve been on Parler for a while, too. Haven’t used it much, since I’m not a big Twitter user, but it’s good to know it is there. There’s also gab.com which was shut down for a while because the ISP tossed them off before they found a new provider.
  
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  June 23, 2020 12:29pm
RJ

I don’t believe we can trust the numbers coming out of brazil. So much corruption in Brazil.

Brazil has become the second country, after the US, to register more than 50,000 deaths from Covid-19.

BBC Article

Youtube – Members of Parliament of Brazil break into hospital that claimed to have 5,000 infected & 200 deaths
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June 23, 2020 10:36am
- Aunty
  
  Nor from the sub-continent either (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nepal). Not so much because of corruption but because the health care system and the testing capacity in all these countries simply cannot keep up with or respond to the number of cases there are and the number of deaths. In all these countries most COVID cases and deaths will be known only unto God.
  
  My sense is that at the moment ground zero for the pandemic is now India, with the number of cases and the number of deaths probably 5 to 10 times greater than the numbers reported. And getting worst. I shudder to think what the situation might be like on the sub-continent towards the end of July. The burden on the poor there will be horrific.
  
  I wonder if there is anyone who reads this blog who can report the situation on the ground in Varanasi and what is happening with the cremation pyres there?
  
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  June 23, 2020 10:58am
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    i’m thinking we will see another lockdown, question is will people so easily accept it this time
    
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    June 23, 2020 11:45am
  - MCos
    
    The life expectancy in India is about 70.
    One would have to think that seeing as most deaths from COVID-19 occurs at an older age the numbers are likely to be lower as a proportion of overall cases as compared to the US or Europe.
    
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    June 23, 2020 12:05pm
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    India currently reporting 14,000 deaths. Five times that is 70,000. Ten times is 140,000. Population of India 1,400,000,000. Death rate from Covid based on 140,000 is 1 per 100,000. Usual annual death rate 7.3 per 1000, or 730 per 100,000 or roughly 11 million per annum. So perhaps the burden on the poor is for absolutely no real reason? Has anyone told them that based on official figures, they are about 2000 times more likely to have died of other causes than Covid in the last 3 months? Or that even with the tenfold increase you suggest, that the total of covid deaths is likely to be the same as road deaths in 2019? If God knows how many have died, I wish he would come down and bang some heads together.
    
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    June 23, 2020 12:11pm
    - Aunty
      
      You seem to be struggling with the understanding that pandemics are dynamic, fernglas. I’m talking here about dynamics in the mathematical sense of course. i.e., a dynamical system, of which time evolution is a very critical component.
      
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      June 23, 2020 3:45pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Multiply deaths by 200 for a more realistic estimate of number of infected. (wuflu IFR is around 0.5% though depends strongly on average age of population)
    Italy, Spain and UK have probably had about 10% of their populations infected. Brazil about 5%, India 0.2%
    
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    June 23, 2020 2:47pm
- Inandout
  
  RJ, the population of Brazil is 210 million and the climate is very warm most of the year. The ordinary flu knocked off about 1,000 a month.
  
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  June 23, 2020 12:43pm
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    Yet with the flu a hospital wasn’t caught lying about the numbers in that hospital because the hospital was still under construction and had none of the 5,000 patients they claimed and all the coffins empty
    
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    June 23, 2020 1:13pm
Aunty

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12342074

Yeah, we should be opening up the borders immediately. It’s just another flu, eh?

Idiots!
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June 23, 2020 10:42am
- Albert_Ross
  
  There are already plenty of hazards in our lives which can kill in some cases and leave permanent scars and debilitation in others. We don’t destroy our economy, livelihoods and the prospects of future generations in order to avoid all of them.
  
  Nobody at all is arguing that we should be opening up the borders immediately or that we should take no precautions at all.
  
  But it would be good to have a rational, informed debate which did not start from the premise that saving lives, even if it’s only for a few more low-quality months, is the overarching priority no matter what the cost. At some point the cost bloody well does matter, and as far as I am concerned we are well past that point.
  
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  June 23, 2020 11:50am
  - MCos
    
    So what’s your recommendations?
    
    Right now the plan is to intercept all cases at the border by a system of controlled isolation.
    This has proved problematic for a variety of reasons and the sky has fallen down.
    Any loosening of the restrictions at the border will go down like a lead balloon with anyone who has been vociferously critical of the flaws in the present system; I would have thought.
    An example could be letting in tens of thousands of university students, as favoured by National.
    Obviously the universities would have to provide non porous accommodation & testing for 14 days for all these people who might not necessarily NZs best interests at heart in the same way that Kiwis would.
    
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    June 23, 2020 12:26pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well, if jacinda and Megan are convinced that a 14-day quarantine is the main barrier to disease transmission, then what’s the problem?
      
      The Uni students come in knowing full well that they go into strict quarantine for 14 days…
      Anyone breaking quarantine forgoes their University course and is flown out of the Country on first available flight….
      Problem solved.
      
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      June 23, 2020 2:01pm
      - MCos
        
        I think it’s the decease experts who came up with the fortnight managed isolation, which means nobody on this forum either way.
        Sure you could deport transgressors. My first question would be: how would they know? Some poor fellow lay dead for weeks before the a university managed facility even noticed, and then only because it was drawn to their attention that someone was missing.
        There used to be 25-30,000 international students in the Universities. Who knows how many would front up if given the opportunity again?
        However
        Keeping an eye on that lot would be challenging, students being who they are and the threat of deportation might prove hollow if there are multiple infractions . . . .
        
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        June 23, 2020 5:08pm
    - Tall Man
      
      False hope, can’t be done sensibly and I assume you’re never going back to Thailand.
      
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      June 23, 2020 10:14pm
- Tall Man
  
  “could” being the operative word.
  
  But no, it’s far less serious than some of the previous virus’s already in existence. No doubt you stay home already to avoid the 99.9% of things that can kill you as well!
  
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  June 23, 2020 10:12pm
Mike

Happy United Nations Public Service Day!
This is a very special day, designated by the General Assembly to ‘celebrate the value and virtue of public service to the community’.
So there we have, in one nice package, a day to celebrate two favourite things for Kiwibloggers: the United Nations and the public service.
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June 23, 2020 10:50am
RJ

Won’t be everyone’s cup of tea but this guy just makes me laugh

YouTube – RSBN interviewing Steven aka BeerMan at Tulsa Trump Rally

If you took that mask off I’d make out with you.
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June 23, 2020 10:51am
- Swifty
  
  Hahahahaha!
  
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  June 23, 2020 11:43am
Jack5

What’s going on with new immigration law that relates to the more than 200,000 people who have work visas for New Zealand? Many of these visas will be the result of the university citizenship-selling rorts. With jobs slashed and rising unemployment because of the Wuhan flu lockdown, visa-holders will compete with New Zealanders for New Zealand jobs.

After submissions by the Law Society and others, the Immigration NZ has advised “stakeholders” that:

“The new powers cannot be used to change conditions if that change would materially disadvantage the class of visa holders concerned.”

Does this mean NZ doesn’t control its own borders, power over which foreigners can come into the country and stay here?

The move seems to restrict Ministerial power over immigration, requiring changes to be “balanced with select committee hearings”.

In that time, border crashers from a fleet of boats could be esconced between Northland and Taranaki.

The Law Society says the move will protect immigrants. A lot of lawyers sell immigration advice.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/416885/law-society-says-safeguards-in-new-law-will-protect-immigrants
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June 23, 2020 11:07am
Maggie Pie

Just back home from Remmers NW. Had to larf.
Bumped into one of my besties from the tennis club.
She had her little girl with her wearing the cutest Tee-Shirt printed on the front BLACK LOLLIES MATTER.

😀 😀
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June 23, 2020 11:58am
- Inandout
  
  MP, as a kid I used to love black balls, the toffee with the white stripes. Then black jelly beans and black strip liquorice.
  
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  June 23, 2020 12:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Goodness. At least sex doesn’t rot your teeth.
    
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    June 23, 2020 1:08pm
oldfella

So the NZ police are currently involved in a big operation against the Mongols motorbike gang.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121915335/significant-organised-crime-operation-against-mongols-gang
I hope the cops were not armed. Tasers are enough protection, and carrying guns just causes problems.
I’m sure Wally Haumaha, who’s into gang relations, will have already told his colleagues that these Mongols are basically good boys, and solid citizens and not the kind to possess illegal weapons.
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June 23, 2020 12:01pm
- Pharmachick
  
  28 fire arms and a bomb. FFS.
  
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  June 23, 2020 2:08pm
- Jack5
  
  The Mongols will be a potential rival to the Mongrel Mob.
  
  Hope the police aren’t being selective in cracking down on gangs.
  
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  June 23, 2020 5:54pm
oldfella

Probably all Trump’s fault…
“Chicago saw its highest number of gun violence victims in a single weekend this year with 104 people shot across the city from Friday evening to Monday morning, 14 of them fatally. Five of those killed were minors.
The weekend saw more shooting victims but less fatalities than the last weekend of May, when 85 people were shot, 24 of them fatally — Chicago’s most deadly weekend in years.”
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/20/21297470/chicago-fathers-day-weekend-shootings-homicide-gun-violence-june-19-22-104-shot
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June 23, 2020 12:06pm
oldfella

Now for something completely different…
A win for British feminists!. (Not sure about local bra-burners…)
https://quillette.com/2020/06/18/how-britains-feminist-grass-roots-turned-the-tide-against-gender-extremists/
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June 23, 2020 12:14pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121901689/trailers-which-could-break-being-recalled

These are Chinese rubbish.
Look at what they claim:

https://www.tradetested.co.nz/automotive/trailers/single-axle/trailer-7ft-x-4ft-single-axle-with-cage.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0rSMzdWW6gIVwX8rCh2GuAs9EAQYASABEgIJdfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I checked these out about 4 or 5 years ago, saw what they were and bought a Briford one from Chch instead.
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June 23, 2020 12:24pm
- RJ
  
  Saw the recall on bunnings website about two months ago I guess, and it is only being made public now?
  
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  June 23, 2020 12:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No. I knew about this 2018. Seems more models have been added. I test for WOF
    
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    June 23, 2020 1:01pm
Swifty

Read it and weep.

Labour MP labels as ‘austerity’ the proposal to maintain the CHC rates increases at 3.5% and that by doing so “will cost thousands of jobs and damage the city for years to come.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/121915378/labour-mp-slams-christchurchs-austerity-budget-calls-for-bigger-rates-increase

“This city is in a position to borrow money and to spend money in a way that no other organisation at a local level can and that is what we should be doing now, not 1980s-style austerity which will damage families, people and jobs and the city for years to come.”

Read the whole article – it’s as if he wants spending irrespective of the value generated, irrespective of funding source and cost and seems to be under the illusion that Council spending money will create jobs whereas leaving it in people’s pockets wont.

This is economic lunacy and the deliberate and mindless sabotage of our country’s finances.
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June 23, 2020 1:09pm
- Tricati
  
  Duncan Webb got into parliament on the coat-tails of his shrilling over the National governments EQ response, ably assisted by the Labour ‘Peoples Choice Party’ in local government here. For all his noise, I have never heard of anyone he has actually assisted, or a positive idea forwarded since Labour got into government to assist Christchurch – A waste of space.
  
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  June 23, 2020 3:15pm
lifesgood

Is there a way of searching your previous comments without having to scan through all comments?
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June 23, 2020 1:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ctrl + f
  Type your name in the box
  
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  June 23, 2020 2:08pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    [command + f] for Mac users
    
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    June 23, 2020 2:10pm
  - Two bob
    
    And for us using phones and tablets? Half of us dont have jobs and work computers to use now
    
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    June 23, 2020 2:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Don’t know, but would be interested if there is a way
      
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      June 23, 2020 3:15pm
      - rangitoto
        
        On chrome or firefox on android tap the three vertical dots, then select find in page. don’t know about other browsers or apple phones/tablets.
        
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        June 23, 2020 4:16pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      On my Android phone top right, across from the Kiwiblog name, there is a search magnifying glass. Press and type in your username. It gives you a google search.
      
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      June 23, 2020 4:00pm
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    Thanks!
    
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    June 23, 2020 2:47pm
- Fletch
  
  You’re supposed to be able to click on the little speech balloon by your name at the top right of the screen (where it says “Howdy, Fletch” for me), but it doesn’t seem to be hooked up. I can see comments there from another page, but none from this one.
  
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  June 23, 2020 3:11pm
- artemisia
  
  Possibly set up a gmail account just for Kiwiblog posts. Check the boxes at the bottom of your posts. Then use google gmail search. It will take a while to use up 15Gb but easy enough to do a big delete via filters.
  
  I did this just for Trademe emails – no need to delete any history.
  
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  June 23, 2020 3:48pm
I remember when

Should the $32 million Porirua Adventure Park get backing under the Govt shovel ready programme?
Investors stated to have disappeared because of covid-19.
Consents are already in place so a digger could start immediately according to Kapiti freebee.
Planned surf simulators, gondola and ziplines are tourist infrastructure and park could e an economic boon (and employment opportunities) for the region. Mountain bike tracks and the longest zipline in the Southern Hemisphere.
Assessment said Park could attract up to 200,000 visitors by its third year.
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June 23, 2020 2:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Woman of colour for Biden’s VP.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wtv0feuap1aw23h/woman%20of%20colour.jpg?dl=0
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June 23, 2020 2:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Two downtickers don’t want Biden to have a woman of colour VP. Must be racist then
  
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  June 23, 2020 3:16pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Probably would prefer someone chosen on ability, Steve.
    
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    June 23, 2020 4:00pm
greenfinger

NZ quarantine system is still as porous as a sieve! They are putting different batches of arrivals at the same accom location. By day 14, those due to released could still be end up catching the virus from more recent arrivals at the same hotel, and show up as negative on the test. Crazy! There must be some circulating in our community but because the government is putting such a high bar to qualify for tests in the community, the community cases are not be picked up or reported!
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June 23, 2020 2:22pm
RJ

This is the true crime about this lock down. While our hospitals sat empty because the govt decided to close them down to deal with the impending covid crush they would suffer that never happened.

The 22 Covid-19 deaths will pale in comparison to the wave of deaths from cancer that will hit New Zealand, a respected oncologist predicts.

Recently retired oncologist Dr David Lamb, who worked in the cancer sector for more than 40 years, was the head of radiation oncology at Wellington Cancer Centre, and currently holds an academic position at Victoria University, has called the Ministry of Health’s handling of cancer diagnostics during lockdown a “disgrace”. He says the move has signed the death warrant for hundreds of Kiwis.

Stuff Article
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June 23, 2020 5:18pm
RJ

Another day, another story

A Tauranga woman travelled from Scotland to Tauranga, with multiple stops in between, without a single coronavirus test and despite being in a 14 -day managed quarantine.

The father of a traveller, who Stuff is not naming, is angry his daughter was cleared from New Zealand’s quarantine without ever taking a single Covid-19 test.

She was also allowed to socialise with other travellers in smoking areas, and he says it is just “pure luck” the virus has not breached the border.

“I’m glad to have my daughter back but this cannot go on,” he said. “Our country cannot do what we just did [lockdown] or we’ll be on our knees.”

Stuff Article
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June 23, 2020 5:24pm
RJ

Saw an article on the herald that just feels like a set up.

US cops pepper spray double amputee, steal his prosthetics, leave him crawling on ground

Article

Police respond
YouTube
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June 23, 2020 6:24pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121915078/gj-gardner-pulls-ad-after-complaint-over-mispronunciation-of-taranaki
I presume that all people identifying as “maori” will make an equal effort to speak English properly ?
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June 23, 2020 6:36pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Pfft. Even our prime minisda doesn’t bother!
  
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  June 23, 2020 9:17pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121923893/housing-minister-megan-woods-hits-back-at-national-party-over-alleged-homelss-man-isolation-breach

Probably David Clark lurking around again.
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June 23, 2020 6:43pm
- RJ
  
  Who to believe, the ministry of health and minister who have been caught out so many times lying. Or Woodhouse who said when talking about this that his source is a very reliable senior health professional.. I would not give his name to the govt without his permission because I do not trust that this person’s job would be safe once they find out who it is.
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:07pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    It is up to Woodhouse to clarify the situation.
    
    He made the accusation.
    If he wont do so, then the whole saga will look like he was trying to be more than a little devious.
    
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    June 23, 2020 8:25pm
    - RJ
      
      No, Woodhouse had a senior health professional come to him with information and said right at the start that it was unverified and should be investigated.
      
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      June 23, 2020 8:50pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Why the hell would a senior health official go to Woodhouse ?
        Surely he or she would go to Ashley Bloomfield, and if it was true, then it would be investigated, so he would not likely be sacked for telling the truth surely.
        
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        June 23, 2020 9:11pm
      - MCos
        
        So the information he was using in an attempt to make the government look bad was ‘unverified’?
        
        I see.
        
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        June 23, 2020 9:45pm
RJ

Hmmm, but the Prime Minister fixed homelessness before the first winter of her leadership didn’t she……

The life of a disabled boy is being put at risk because his family is forced to live in a cold garage due to a lack of appropriate housing, a South Auckland social worker says.

Associate housing minister Kris Faafoi has tonight apologised to the family, and has requested their case be expedited tomorrow.

Seven-year-old Jerasiah has cerebral palsy and relies heavily on a wheelchair. His eight-year-old sister has epilepsy.

With their mother Maria they have been camped out in a relative’s garage for six months, all through lockdown, sleeping on a shared double bed.

Stuff Article
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June 23, 2020 7:57pm
- Jack5
  
  If you use bold type to emphasise more than a word, or a sentence, it’s like SHOUTING!
  
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  June 23, 2020 8:40pm
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    Actually I use the bold to highlight it is an article. Text in capitals is shouting. As long as the mods and owner have no problem with the format I will continue to do so,
    
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    June 23, 2020 9:04pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

It pays to reflect on who is running New Zealand comrades!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
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June 23, 2020 8:18pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

And a very appropriate song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3CjvyP4ed4
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