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Colville

David Seymour wont have known whether to laugh or cry last night after National gifted ACT a couple more MPs at the next election but torpedoed both parties chances of actually winning the election.
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July 8, 2020 8:02am
- TakeMeToTheCandyStore
  
  Lots of people are on the fence with National. First the Muller take over and now this. National are fucking hopeless.
  Act is going to gain many votes, me being one of them.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:33am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yep…me too. I reckon Act could be as high as 8%!
    
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    July 8, 2020 10:29am
    - Two bob
      
      at this rate act will have larger representation then national come sept 20.
      
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      July 8, 2020 11:29am
      - Tall Man
        
        Now you’re being silly.
        
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        July 8, 2020 12:13pm
      - Two bob
        
        Tall man look at all the shit we thought was silly in the last 3yrs thats come to fruition. its unlikely but not impossible with both major parties intent on destroying their own credibility.
        
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        July 8, 2020 1:31pm
- Simon
  
  There will be another election next year. There is sugar high at the moment but the credit card limit is fast approaching. After that nothing.
  
  NZ is very badly placed, economically, scientifically – hermit nation susceptible to new / existing diseases, morally, and prone to irrational panic. This means unstable government.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:43am
- RW Capitalist
  
  as an aside
  Wasn’t it David Seymour that revealed, that he info. wasn’t even password protected?
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:47am
  - MCos
    
    No he didn’t.
    
    He was parroting what Mr Walker said in his statement.
    Somebody leaked the information to Boag, according to her statement and she shoveled it on to Walker.
    What else she told Walker we don’t yet know, but we will, unless everyone refuses to speak to the enquiry.
    
    “ The information was made available to me in my position as then Acting CEO of the Auckland Rescue Helicopter Trust, although it was sent to my private email address.”
    Michelle Boag
    
    Seymour’s just trying to look relevant.
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      Wrong. The information was available to Boag in her role and she chose to misuse it.
      
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      July 8, 2020 12:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Every Election Boag does something. Seems like she wants National to be positioned HER way, so she throws the ones she don’t like under the bus. Nasty piece of work imo
        
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        July 8, 2020 3:15pm
hullkiwi

Hamish, take the hint. Talk to your electorate committee and resign.

You didn’t think and the longer you stay around, the more of a David Clark you are to the rest of the party, irrespective of your’s or the party support in Clutha-Southland.

As for Boag, also do yourself and the National Party a favour, lock yourself down, throw away any communication devices and stay away from contact with anybody!
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July 8, 2020 8:06am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Yes, Hamish Walker the David Clark of the National party. Unlike Clark one only hopes he resigns ASAP, the quicker he falls on his sword the better.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:18am
  - Simon
    
    LMAO. The left wing hysteria. All the stains of failure of the Ardern government are being washed away by the emotional breakdown the left are undergoing directed against Walker and the wider National party.
    
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    July 8, 2020 8:30am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The Labour sins of incompetence are a 1,000 fold greater than Clark and Hamish’s temporary lack of judgement.
      Labour’s failure is so large their troubles are unstoppable. Ardern’s presenting as saviour of NZ has sealed her fate.
      ☑️☑️Stop the Damage☑️☑️
      
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      July 8, 2020 9:23am
  - Martin Williams
    
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    When did David Clark send confidential patient information to the media?
    
    Or do anything remotely similar?
    
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    July 8, 2020 8:40am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      He blackmailed the former acting head of the Waikato DHB? He told him to keep quiet and take the blame and he will consider him for future roles. The guy clearly had the right to be considered so it was blackmail instead of bribery.
      
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      July 8, 2020 8:58am
    - Swifty
      
      Clark plumbed depths Walker could never have.
      
      Clark, as Minister of Health, went AWOL during NZ’s greatest health crisis in a century.
      
      Parked up in Dunedin away from all action, moved house, went to the beach, rode his bike and Zoomed into the odd meeting – while others shouldered the load in Wellington and elsewhere.
      
      He showed the country where his priorities lay – and it wasn’t with NZ health workers or the NZ public. He was weighed and measured in a time of crisis and found wanting.
      
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      July 8, 2020 9:29am
      - Tall Man
        
        Did you ever consider that the Health Minister, being well appraised of the facts of the virus at a level well above the rest of us, felt that the hype was not merited and his actions were not risking either himself, his family or any others?
        
        Maybe he knew it was a massive over reaction but wasn’t able to say so.
        
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        July 8, 2020 12:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    Walker not standing in Election he announced.
    
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    July 8, 2020 2:14pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  I doubt most New Zealanders will give a shit.
  
  The slime will play it up but I suspect only Muller’s reaction, a good, fast one for a change, will be noted and I seriously doubt one vote (outside one Southland family) will be affected.
  
  More important will be the massive unemployment in Southland made obvious over the next six weeks.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:20am
  - Colville
    
    only a couple of percent of voters need to give a shit. The election was going to be very very close but possibly winnable…I think that chance is now gone with the media having been handed a stick to bash National with for the next few week.
    
    The “nasty party” who do “dirty politics” dontcha know.
    
    Makes me fucking spew.
    
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    July 8, 2020 8:42am
    - lifesgood
      
      Get a grip, Colville. He’ll be gone by lunch time and then it will be “As you were”
      
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      July 8, 2020 8:58am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Colville, I disagree.
      
      The figure of voters affected will be more like .1% max.
      
      I suspect most independent voters have forgotten the incident by now, with the very few who have noted it having noted it to confirm their bias.
      
      Even the slime using it to bash National will go past most because the slime bashing National has become the norm over the last ten years – a bit like the old boy-who-cried-wolf thing.
      
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      July 8, 2020 9:24am
  - Ian Boag
    
    the massive unemployment in Southland
    
    You mean because the borders are closed and there are no foreign tourists? Your solution is …?
    
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    July 8, 2020 10:13am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Open the f@#$ing borders!
      
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      July 8, 2020 10:17am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Got a rough idea about how many subsequent covid deaths you would regard as “acceptable”? 10, 100, 1000, more? And for the record, I don’t know either.
        
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        July 8, 2020 11:10am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        And for the record, I don’t know either
        
        Obviously!
        
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        July 8, 2020 11:48am
      - Ian Boag
        
        So @MT_T. What’s your general feeling about how much covid should be tolerated when the borders get reopened? Before we decide this has gone on too far ….. and then do fuck knows what.
        
        Needs something like a plan ….
        
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        July 8, 2020 12:04pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        @Ian Boag – Melbourne has absolutely not shown deficiencies in contact tracing. The situation in some parts of Melbourne has simply reinforced the concept that when you have a lot of people who don’t or can’t comprehend English and who don’t want to social distance / stick to their own housing, and insist on maintaining their own culture with its like of intergenerational close proximity and frequent physical interactions, that you will get rapid spread of a contagious illness.
        
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        July 8, 2020 12:31pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        @ Ian Boag who asks:
        
        Got a rough idea about how many subsequent covid deaths you would regard as “acceptable”? 10, 100, 1000, more? And for the record, I don’t know either.
        
        For the record, I would say we can tolerate the usual 500 deaths and morbidities of the road toll, for which we don’t crash the economy and our children’s futures every year, and an additional 400-500 deaths from the annual standard flu (2019 figures).
        
        So, a thousand in total. Each of those deaths represents a tragedy; but none of the naysayers against opening the borders want to tell us what their default position is if we don’t open the borders and we get at least an order of magnitude *more* deaths because of depression, suicide, homicide, malnutrition, cancer, misdiagnosis, delayed operations and all the other lethal detritus in the wake of the fishwife’s sway over the ignorant political clump at the Beehive.
        
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        July 8, 2020 12:35pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Engelbert
        
        Melbourne has absolutely not shown deficiencies in contact tracing.
        
        I was quoting the premier of Victoria who I heard on the radio this morning. Go figure.
        
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        July 8, 2020 1:07pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        @ Ian Boag
        
        You are quoting the Premier of Victoria in support of your argument? you’re quoting a politician? OK then.
        
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        July 8, 2020 1:18pm
      - MT_Tinman
        
        Ian, the facts are clear; closing the borders has done only harm to New Zealand, keeping them closed for much longer will destroy the country.
        
        NZ is a trading nation relying on both import and export (that import/export including tourism).
        
        Statistics from around the world are showing no real increase in over-all death rates and protecting those at risk while allowing commerce to commence is the only sensible route for New Zealand to take.
        
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        July 8, 2020 1:37pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Eng
        
        You have a point. Why would I believe the Premier of Victoria who has just put Melbourne into lockdown and closed the state borders? After all I have access to free advice from an anonymous well-qualified KB poster? 🙂
        
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        July 8, 2020 2:15pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @MT_T
        
        Closing the borders has certainly trashed tourism as we knew it would.
        
        Oddly enough a month or two back there was a lot of agitation on KB for borders to stay closed and grumbles that it had been done late. There used to be a lot of grumbles about how excessive tourism was trashing our country too. We move on ….
        
        Obviously we need to open the borders. We could start with Oz of course and then China I suppose. I think those were the two largest contributors. Cruise ships too of course.
        
        I would like to think it would be done carefully as the genie could be a problem when out of the bottle.
        
        There is a good item on Stuff this morning about Prince Edward Island in Canada which is sort of like a micro version of NZ. Heavily dependent on tourism (and cruise ships) with open borders only to the provinces next door. Very low covid levels.
        
        Go figure.
        
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        July 8, 2020 2:35pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Sigh. Ian is one of the ‘everything is black or white’ lefties that my friends have become.
      
      Obviously open the borders only sensibly and cautiously: quarantine, tracing, choose safest countries.
      
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      July 8, 2020 11:24am
      - Stu2
        
        You mean use the quarantine facilities we have run out of?
        
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        July 8, 2020 11:35am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Obviously open the borders only sensibly and cautiously: quarantine, tracing, choose safest countries.
        
        Sigh. I totally agree with the above, but that’s not the general drift of this thread. Refer Mt_T above. And of course the country would not accept a return to level 4.
        
        Some version of the “how many deaths are acceptable?” thing has to figure in the decision someplace. (I can accept that it is more than zero).
        
        Melbourne is showing us how easy it is to overwhelm a contact tracing system, particularly a half-arsed – not widely taken up – one like we have here. There is of course no guarantee that opening the borders will restart a torrent of tourism. It’s getting a bit late for Aussie skiers ….
        
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        July 8, 2020 11:39am
Inandout

‘Tiktok is one of the top apps in both Apple and Google’s app stores. Apple and Google have no problem allowing the communist Chinese government to spy on our kids. Silicon Valley has been bending the knee to the Communist Chinese for years now in hopes of breaking past the great internet firewall and into a massive new market.
Last week India banned TikTok and dozens of other Chinese apps, the United States should do the same immediately. TikTok is a national security threat. If you are a parent reading this I encourage you to check your child’s phone for the TikTok app and have it removed’.

A warning perhaps?
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July 8, 2020 8:10am
- Simon
  
  The CCP is now the Western left’s preferred political, economic and social model.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:33am
  - SB2
    
    Another snooze button alert trying to make something out of a bad, sad situation.
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:33am
  - kowtow
    
    Not just the left , look at how many of the elites everywhere have bought into Belt and Road , to one degree or another ……….
    
    And now the Left’s fav Pope is pulling his punches.
    
    https://catholicherald.co.uk/analysis-popes-hong-kong-omission-complicates-all-the-narratives/
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:42am
- Raphael
  
  While I do agree that Tiktok, and Zoom* have serious issues with security (and that it all feeds into the CCCP). Don’t forget China and India are on the verge of war after Chinese soldiers attacked unarmed Indian soldiers with clubs of re-bar with nails welded on.
  Which is why India is banning all these Chinese apps (and why Chinese factories are making Boycott China t-shirts for sale in India)
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53071913
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-china-border-dispute-news-nail-studded-clubs-modi-ladakh-a9572531.html
  
  * Zoom’s definition of “End-to-End encryption” meant decrypting and copying everything on their servers
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:43am
- MCos
  
  Every time you use GPS your location is know.
  Facebook, Twitter, all manner of programmes know stuff about people and keep it on a cloud somewhere.
  Most stuff on iPhones is backed up on iclouds.
  Netflix remembers which movies people have watched . . . . .
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:24am
  - cmm
    
    “Every time you use GPS your location is know.”
    
    Only if you’re using GPS in a phone or whatever. GPS, per se, does not track your location.
    
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    July 8, 2020 1:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Donald Trump is watching you mate. You are his best connection, seeing as the PTPM thinks he is a professional arsehole
    
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    July 8, 2020 4:55pm
Yvette

Royal Commission submission from NZ Muslim community calls for Crown apology, overhaul of public service.

Is there any explanation anyone has seen that tells us why the Islamic Women’s Council has released their submission before the Commission releases the full report?

Also, if this material has been prepared for the Commission’s Report and funding made for that purpose, are those who have collected and written the material legally entitled to release the material outside conditions of the full report – for example, in a way that their content can not be appraised against what else the Commission has found or covers?

KiwiCommission, already?
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July 8, 2020 8:16am
- burt
  
  The guts of it seems to be that NZ needs to change our society so that is becomes more like the society these people ran away from when they came here.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes,
  The Islamic Women’s Council does not trust the Commission to reveal all the details about the many meetings they had had with Police and SIS warning of violence against their community.
  
  The aim is to ensure New Zealand is fully informed about the efforts IWCNZ took prior to March 15, 2019 to protect our community from discrimination, hate and harm. We feel it is important Kiwis know what occurred so the country can put in place better and more effective systems to ensure this does not happen again to any community within our shores.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2007/S00093/iwcnz-submission-to-royal-commission-to-be-publicly-released.htm
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:31am
- Justitia
  
  Very good questions Yvette. The Royal Commission has imposed a total ban on government agencies releasing any information that might bear on its inquiry before the Commission has reported to the government. Although they are not a government agency, the release of the Islamic Women’s Council’s submission at this stage some two weeks before the Royal Commission’s report is due seems highly inappropriate in the overall context of the inquiry.
  
  When the report is released, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be completely unwarranted calls to restrict New Zealanders’ freedom of speech . We are about to enter a dangerous time which the extreme Left will seek to exploit for maximum advantage. Tarrant reportedly hoped his murderous actions would lead to repression in New Zealand. His wishes ironically may be granted by the government and the Left.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:35am
  - fernglas
    
    The submission was made publicly, wasn’t it? If so, there would be no reason why a written copy shouldn’t be released.
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:03am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I agree with you that Tarrant will probably get what he wanted, but I don’t think it’ll be ironic, it will be exactly what he predicted would happen in his otherwise fevered atrocious cortex. Because he could at least predict, as we all could, that the Left always go full-on tyranny. All they need is an excuse, in their own minds.
    
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    July 8, 2020 12:39pm
- Inandout
  
  Yvette, Plunket had this woman heading the Council (200 members) on his show and she was adamant Tarrant was an ‘extreme right winger’ and had helpers in NZ. She would not accept that the shooter was dabbling into all sorts of beliefs, especially environment stuff. The most telling thing she said was she was a kiwi second to Islam. Plunket stayed on topic but I bet he wished he could have asked her why she isn’t allowed to pray with the males in the mosque?
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:54am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Has the Islamic women’s council stayed that NZ muslims reject verse 4:34 allowing men to beat wives from whom they fear disobedience?
    
    Wanting that verse rejected forever is not ‘right wing’ or racist.
    
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    July 8, 2020 11:35am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Well, Jacinda forbidding the terrorists manifesto from being published in NZ of course lends credence to these stupid beliefs that he was an ‘extreme right-winger’. In fact according to the manifesto which I read when I was travelling overseas for work shortly after the atrocity, he was an eco-freak who worshipped the Chinese system of government above all else – and had been to North Korea, Pakistan, France and Turkey, not exactly right-wing hotbeds…
    
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    July 8, 2020 12:40pm
Justitia

Three more years of Labour, signed, sealed and delivered by National. Goodbye dead cat bounce, National are staring into an electoral abyss. Muller’s credibility ebbs away by the hour. The unauthorized release of confidential patient data is not something the public will forgive. It is a huge breach of trust. National are seen as wreckers trying to undermine New Zealand’s defences against COVID 19; National are not members of “the team of 5 million”.

And why was Muller bleating on about the government’s steps to get a grip on managing the flow of returning kiwis yesterday? Most people think limiting flights to match quarantine capacity is just common sense. As for reopening the borders, no one wants this before the election, not even the heavyweights in the tourism industry. So three more years of total incompetence and the loss of basic freedoms like free speech. But National never cared much for those anyway. Thanks Michelle, Hamish and Todd.
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July 8, 2020 8:17am
- MT_Tinman
  
  [Deleted – quit the abuse & discuss the topic. Mod.]
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:23am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘ As for reopening the borders, no one wants this before the election, ’
  
  What’s the difference between now and then?
  Everyday we stay closed the economic damage increases
  There are health consequences from unemployment too
  Big ones
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    I want them open now.
    
    Let’s stop wasting money on quarantining “kiwis” coming “home” ….. and spend it on prevention through identifying and protecting those at risk.
    
    If those at risk choose to avoid prevention then that is their choice.
    
    Why are we hellbent on letting people choose when to die but not allowing us to choose to risk catching a bad dose of the flu?
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:40am
    - Ian Boag
      
      You have said this a few times. I’m just curious to see it fleshed out a bit.
      
      If I might have covid and don’t feel too bad, I can roam round and rely on others to keep out of my way? Not that I will be wearing a sign ….
      
      Not trying to put words in your mouth (you seem to have an adequate supply) or try to debate anything, but I’m interested to hear how this would work.
      
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      July 8, 2020 10:20am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        It wouldn’t work. Kiwis returning from countries with community transmission will need quarantine. Most ppl understand this.
        
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        July 8, 2020 11:39am
      - Tall Man
        
        Not what I said at all.
        
        Those at risk need to be supported to protect themselves if they wish to do so. Those that elect not to do so should be allowed to exercise their free choice.
        
        So far community spread has been minuscule within NZ. Now those that test positive, as I am not advocating zero testing, should also be induced to self isolate and if their friends and families elect to associate with them then so be it.
        
        This virus is here to stay and if recent reports are correct has been with us for over a year now so unless you want to live in a bankrupt country with little hope for the next two generations I suggest you either accept some risk or go home and stay home.
        
        In my opinion.
        
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        July 8, 2020 12:06pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @TM
        
        Optional self-isolation with friends and families free to choose association is a bit of a Clayton’s isolation. Ditto for those “at risk choosing to avoid prevention” and wandering freely around.
        
        I get that you think testing is a good thing but I don’t quite get what you think should happen to someone who tests positive …. Would your views change if we had community transmission?
        
        It goes without saying that the present situation is not long-term tenable. Realistically looking round the world, relaxation could take us to a couple of thousand deaths a year I suppose. Someone needs to be honest about that.
        
        So we do a Sweden? The “herd immunity from a wild infection” thing does not seem to be working yet. Might never.
        
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        July 8, 2020 12:23pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I have not seen a single rational exit from our isolation proposed by anyone. All you “locked away” supporters have no idea what level of destruction that strategy will visit upon Godzone.
        
        Covid is here forever and I certainly do not want to be isolated from the world so I don’t get the flu.
        
        Now if you decide to avoid me when I return from overseas, I’ll see that as a bonus.
        
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        July 8, 2020 2:47pm
- Raphael
  
  As for reopening the borders, no one wants this before the election,
  
  no-one? I for one do. over half our customer base is in Australia and it’s our growth market.
  We can’t get onsite to do the presentations to make the sales.
  
  And no doing it virtually isn’t the same as you can’t read the crowd.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:45am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    If we can have a safe bubble. If oz can keep covid-rich Victoria away from other states.
    
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    July 8, 2020 11:40am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What about the splendiferous breach of trust of the whole of New Zealand and the new arrivals testing and jiving around.
  
  Hamish’s small flip is tiny by comparison. NZ was not told we now had virtually open borders. We were not told our travel industry was to be damaged long term by wrecking our major tourist spots as desirable destinations. The farce also, of filling motels with the unfortunates and friends. People prefer to visit among those of a similar social order. Equality can never be impressed upon any society–attempts at gunpoint have been tried and failed too.
  
  The gobblement of nongs rides again, hopefully into the September sunset.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:10am
greenfinger

National has scored an own goal but that hasn’t helped to reduce child poverty, KiwiBuild deficit or unemployment in this country. The incompetent Labour-led government from yesterday is still incompetent today!
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July 8, 2020 8:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  True, but Labour do know how to spin a story…
  
  and National has handed them a story that will be spun into a large and sticky web that may trap more folks yet.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:40am
  - Raphael
    
    Although you have to ask yourself if it traps and removes Michelle Boag, is that a bad thing?
    
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    July 8, 2020 8:51am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Boag is battle hardened. For years it’s been hard to know whose side she’s on at the time.
      
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      July 8, 2020 9:18am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Her side
        
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        July 8, 2020 4:39pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    But look at the whitewash Labour apply to their own failings.
    Standby for Winston’s ejection. Funding an overseas team to cause havoc here is concerning. Winston has to be brought to account for dubious party funding practices.
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:16am
I remember when

Bubba Wallace X Wikipedia:
Black mother and a white father.
Father owner of industrial cleaning company, and his mother a social worker, who ran track while at college.
He started racing at the age of nine. Has participated in numerous classes of motor racing since then.
Is it racist to expect him to have suffered racial abuse because he was black?
Is it racist that we expect him to have been poor and seldom consider his family could at least be middle class, even well off?
Are our ‘systemic’ expectations the problem?
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July 8, 2020 8:23am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, it seems the people who are removing BLM graffiti from roadways and statues are ‘terrorists’. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:00am
Maggie Pie

Whenever my partner comes to pick me up from work, he always waits outside the Main Entrance. He would rather risk a ticket than give a single cent to those Chinese rip-off merchants at Wilson Parking.

As we were pulling out this morning, he was saying that while he was sitting there, “….he couldn’t help but notice the number of morbidly obese Paheka women coming and going. Most of them had some sort of tribal tattoo and a large Maori Pendant hanging from where their necks should be”.

Just saying.
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July 8, 2020 8:27am
- Rich Prick
  
  Your partner should park further away from the Ministry for Social Development offices.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:05am
  - sooty
    
    Yer, got to keep you slim and trim and the exercise will do you good!
    
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    July 8, 2020 10:52am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Problem: friend of mine wore one of those pendants: said it nearly knocked his teeth out if he had to run for a bus. Contributing to the overweight issue?
  
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  July 8, 2020 11:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You may well be onto something there CL.
    Apparently a lot of those gurls never had teeth either.
    
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    July 8, 2020 12:39pm
oldpark

Yes caught in the headlights like possums . The Mainstream Media darlings the NZ Labour Party . Fresh from the massive Secret “Cover Up” of the illicit Sexual Activities at Labours” Summer Camp last year and also what who when how went on in a Labour MPs office at the same time and was also “Covered Up” . and who was involved .
Well tucked away in a tiny corner of the Dominion “toilet paper” Post is a directive from Electoral Commission and exposed by the ever vigilant NZ Taxpayers” Union is for the Slippery Sneaky Labour Party Publishers of a Poster with a picture of “Auntie Cindy Ardern” well known control freak to “Cover Up” the Illustration known as an Electioneering tactic depicting you know who as some kind of answer to everything .
Yes that type of sneaky slippery backdoor type of voter brainwashing by Labour is running concurrent with the type of sicko type of Pledge Card that the Helen Clark gang in days gone by was also deemed to be illegal . Trust Labour ?Yeah!Right!.
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July 8, 2020 8:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  This will be a very dirty election season.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    We have managed to travel overseas for the last 3 elections solely to avoid the tedium of “who said what” and who has the dirtiest knickers.
    
    Sadly, that looks unlikely this year thanks to [ thin ice – Mod ]
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:48am
    - sooty
      
      Where’s Hagar when you need him?
      
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      July 8, 2020 10:54am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Hagar is selecting the crayons to go with his soon to be released novella, ‘Dirty Tricks II’
        
        All the shit he could not contain in the 86 double spaced volume I but with illustrations hence the crayons . . .
        
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        July 8, 2020 4:37pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      …but let’s be clear, thin ice is easier to fill your drink glasses with.
      
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      July 8, 2020 12:43pm
- Nickc2
  
  Lest we forget!
  
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  July 8, 2020 11:43am
JibberJabber

Democrat Utopia,
https://gellerreport.com/2020/07/shooting-at-ranom-pedestrians-nyc.html/

https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/bronx/video-dad-gunned-down-in-the-bronx-while-holding-6-year-old-daughters-hand
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July 8, 2020 8:31am
Happychappy

You have to look at this in another way to after they left the door open on the treasury details, utu is a strange happenings but the trap could have been set for Michelle Boag knowing her track record. Labour had nothing to lose plenty to gain especially if it give them the opportunity to Govern alone ,to win big you have take opportunities that come your way and I believe National have been outsmarted.
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July 8, 2020 8:34am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Have Labour outsmarted themselves?
  The harm done by the release of a few names and details is like a flea on a camel’s backside.
  The harm done by the incompetence and pretence of this present Collection of Loser posing as a Government is monumental. Where now are our children’s futures and their children?
  This false government I charge with Fraud on the Voters. They are well past simple negligence.
  If we had had the constitutional means the Chief Mischief Maker, the litigious one would be in the dock too.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:37am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Have Labour outsmarted themselves?
    
    I suspect they have but not quite in the way you mean.
    
    The only lasting impression of this affair is likely to be the quick and correct reaction of Muller, particularly so soon after the non-reaction of Labour “leadership (ha ha!) over their ex-Minister of Health.
    
    Labour have allowed that positive for National to be highlighted.
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:50am
Jack5

Let’s not forget Walker seems to have been motivated by the reaction of locals in a remote corner of NZ to Wuhan flu isolation facilities for arrivals from overseas.

High immigration and selling citizenship with education enrolments, largely instigated by National, have given NZ the fastest growing population in the developed world, and I don’t think Statistics NZ counts overseas citizens.

New Zealanders are flowing home from Australia as its economy contracts, adding to scores of thousands of dual citizens exercising their right to use NZ as a bolt-hole from, first, the pandemic, and, second, from the economic crises that will inevitably follow.

The flood of people across the border is such that we’ve restricted inbound flights.

Pressure on health, transport, education and other infrastructure will soar. So will the cost of supporting unemployed.

Selling education courses by giving access to citizenship, and an open door for rich communists under the delusion that they would begin a swathe of new export industries, gave rise to an until-now thriving immigration industry in New Zealand. It will fight to re-open the borders.

Why is no-one talking about population growth? Why is discussion being closing down by implying it’s racist to question the policy?

Is the heavy penalty likely to be imposed on Hamish Walker influenced by this apathetic national mood? How dare an electorate M.P. touch on the Policy that Must Not be Questioned.
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July 8, 2020 8:42am
- Justitia
  
  @ Jack5. Good post although I don’t have any time for Walker – his release of personal medical information is unforgivable. But the other points you make are entirely valid. Every time anyone raises questions about our excessive, low skilled immigration and the export education scam they are shouted down as “racist”. The negative impact on this country will become clearer as thousands flock here for benefits and “free stuff” while the economy implodes.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:58am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    What data indicate “excessive low skilled immigration”?
    
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    July 8, 2020 10:54am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Sometimes, the plural of anecdote is data. Walk around some of the hotspots Albert with your eyes wide open.
      
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      July 8, 2020 12:45pm
- Scott
  
  Thank you Jack 5 – finally some informed and thoughtful comment on this issue.
  
  For myself I think that Hamish Walker is trying to do the right thing? He is concerned about immigration, he is concerned about population growth and he is concerned about racial minorities with diseases being dumped in parts of the South Island. I think those are all legitimate concerns.
  
  The other thing I would say is do not give into the baying leftist mob. If you are the leader of the National party you have to know that the far left hates you and will seek to destroy you. You can’t compromise with haters. You can’t appease haters.
  
  So you either have to get on your big boy pants and deal firmly with them and not apologise or you have to come to grips with the fact that you are their lackey and they will roll over you anytime they want.
  
  Standing up to the mob takes courage. It is something that has been missing from a lot of leaders of the National party over the past decades.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:02am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The mob don’t prisoners. They are not much different from their US communist co-conspirators.
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:40am
- lifesgood
  
  You are so right but wait for Fernglas and theoldbloke to call you stupid and say you are talking shit like they did to me when I made comments about the flow of people using NZ as a bolthole yesterday.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:07am
- fernglas
  
  If you look at Customs arrival and departure stats, you will see that there has been a pretty consistent nett loss of people since March. Since 1 July, for example, there have been roughly 3000 arrivals and 4000 departures. So a lot of this stuff about resources being swamped is a bit illusory.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:09am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Are those stats valid?
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:41am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Appear to be
      https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/more-information/passenger-statistics/
      
      https://www.customs.govt.nz/globalassets/documents/statistics/air-pax-movements-between-1-jan-and-30-jun-2020.pdf
      
      By about 195000, since 1/1/2020
      
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      July 8, 2020 9:49am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Both before and since Covid19
        
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        July 8, 2020 9:50am
    - fernglas
      
      Here’s the link. https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/more-information/passenger-statistics/ They look valid to me, but they may have been manufactured by the Deep State just to keep us on our toes.
      I was watching Seven Sharp the other night and they were banging on about the “brain gain” based on the number of people coming in, and there are also comments on here about how we are being inundated with returnees, when the reality is different. The choke point is the quarantine programme, but even without the new restrictions it seems pretty clear that more are going than coming. Other than that, there is a dearth of information about who these people are, so it is very hard to draw inferences about, for instance, whether they will be tenants or purchasers, unemployed or remote workers, indeed, white or brown. So any debate around the borders is necessarily short on evidence, which I guess leads to a vacuum to be filled by gossip and prejudice (or, perhaps, leaked spreadsheets).
      
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      July 8, 2020 9:50am
  - greybeard
    
    But the 3000 arrivals require 14 days isolation in special accommodation, whereas the 4000 departures are quitting houses, flats etc.
    
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    July 8, 2020 12:30pm
KevO'Brien

All Parties have rogue candidates. Some are even silent or fail to perform to specification. Then there’s Winston, Sahane and the whole of the Grrrrns.

Capability and a lively mind are useful in a politician but freewheeling has to be be contained.
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July 8, 2020 8:50am
Two bob

nz drug foundation is calling for a rethink on our approach to meth.

well they done that a while ago with weed and look where thats pushing us!! legal weed is a trojan horse policy.
Prediction: 2023 or 2026 will be a referendum to legalize meth.
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July 8, 2020 9:02am
- mandk
  
  Won’t happen after the weed referendum fails.
  
  (Extending the ease of granny killing is another matter).
  
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  July 8, 2020 11:51am
  - Two bob
    
    umr (rubish polls imo) saying pro legalization leading by 5%.
    
    The govt sponsored media are pushing it and blatantly misleading the public by saying its a vote for personal use when its infact a vote for industrialization of a harmfull drug.
    
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    July 8, 2020 1:35pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  The thing is: nobody will be arrested for going to healthcare for help if addicted. So no need to legalise any of this crap. Ppl needing help can get it.
  
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  July 8, 2020 12:10pm
Libertarians are right

The interesting thing will be if the review is called off. If it is, we’ll know what really happened (that Boag was set up).

National have a big chance here. They can lance Boag which is a huge plus for the party and they can do it decisively. They shouldn’t be calling for resignations. It should be public and it should be coming from the top.

Rogue MPs and bad choices happen. What matters is that Muller and co are seen to be decisive.
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July 8, 2020 9:03am
- fernglas
  
  Kindly explain how Boag could have been set up? She disclosed information improperly. Did some clandestine operative press the send button for her?
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:13am
  - rangitoto
    
    If she is to be believed, she received the info via her private email address, rather than an official Helicopter Trust account. It does seem fishy.
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:53am
    - Sacha
      
      Yes. I know nothing much about computers, but I can copy a document, and email it. So someone did something like that, Boag was ‘played’, and she passed the parcel.
      I read that there were 14 names . Was it a screen grab, or was it a specially compiled list?
      And although Walker apparently sent it off to the ‘media’, said media have not published the list, and it is quietly sitting on media computers . . . . . . .
      
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      July 8, 2020 10:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It sure does have that ‘Hillary’ smell about it
      
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      July 8, 2020 3:28pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Give a child a loaded gun and something bad is going to happen. The same is true of stupid people. Boag is stupid.
    
    She was in a position that was close enough to the health sector that most people won’t consider the fact that she shouldn’t have been given the info in the first place. She didn’t have it legitimately so the real leaker is still to be found.
    
    An unsecured spreadsheet was sent to her private e-mail. Her role is a smokescreen.
    
    If Labour decide not to hunt down the leaker, then they are clearly playing politics and it’s reasonable to question whether someone from Labour gave Boag the loaded gun.
    
    It’s speculation of course but the leaker is still out there at the moment.
    
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    July 8, 2020 10:14am
- Sofia
  
  As for Ms Boag, Mr Muller said “this is a serious breach of trust” and that, in his personal take, she should step aside from the party all together.
  “Ultimately that is a matter for her and it is a matter for the board if she does not choose to step away.
  
  Will the National Party Board now confirm whether Muller is right or wrong?
  
  Boag was set up. That is a loose thread – why someone sent the information to her personal email.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:30am
cas

It’s quite eerie to watch docos on the History channel about the second world war and hear about Stalin’s cult of personality, Goebbels use of propaganda and slogans and america’s America first policy.
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July 8, 2020 9:11am
Master Mariner

Finally got back too ChCh and 3 days now in quarantine,
Only 13 pax on Singapore airlines and i think only international plane to land.
Have to say , and pleased to do so is it is quite controlled and orderily with Military doing there thing.
Good effort all round.
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July 8, 2020 9:11am
- fernglas
  
  Are you a seaman returning from a contract?
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:01am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Hi Fernglas, Yes. Departed for Singapore 12th Feb and just got back 5th July for Quarantine.
    A couple of collegues up in Akd doing same.
    Estimated 300K seafarers well overdue,
    The cost of freight is going up with weekly.
    Bloody pleased to be home as bloody buggered.
    
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    July 8, 2020 10:26am
    - fernglas
      
      I met a few of your colleagues a few weeks back when I was doing the same. That’s a long time at sea. Resist the allure of security staff.
      
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      July 8, 2020 10:35am
    - Swifty
      
      Welcome home Master Mariner.
      
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      July 8, 2020 11:17am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  welcome back home.
  
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  July 8, 2020 12:47pm
Maggie Pie

Have you noticed how Katie gets a lot of the really shit jobs?
You’d think they could at least give the poor girl an umbrella 😀

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcTV7KgUwAEgBgI?format=jpg&name=medium
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July 8, 2020 9:11am
- sooty
  
  Why they have to send reporters out of the office to say a few words amazes me! It just does not make it more believeable and could save a few bucks and jobs.
  
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  July 8, 2020 11:02am
- mandk
  
  Perhaps it’s her punishment for letting slip on the media’s efforts to swing the polls in favour of the Left.
  
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  July 8, 2020 11:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘No matter what we say, no matter what we do’ Helen/Jacinda sycophant
    
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    July 8, 2020 3:33pm
I remember when

It was interesting to see the shift of Auckland Port to Manukau Report leak.
Was it a way for the Labour Party to ensure they did not have to consider Winston in the next Government?
Damages Shane’s chances in Whangarei by reducing the possible benefits to Northland of the Party.
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July 8, 2020 9:12am
- Tall Man
  
  He had no chance in Whangarei.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:55am
- mandk
  
  Isn’t Jones running for Northland this time?
  
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  July 8, 2020 11:44am
Yvette

Did Boag send her information to Walker because it somehow backed his earlier comments?
Like were the names, although unpublished, all Indian, Pakistani or Korean?
And so was Boag’s leak to Walker totally separate otherwise to his earlier remarks about specific high risk covid-19 countries New Zealand residents may be returning from and a statement which was reasonable in itself perhaps, until Woods used the call-it-racist option.

However from other information Woods and officials have since given on citizens returning to New Zealand it appears the present number in isolation at any one time is approximately 6,000 and could reach 7,500 which makes Walker’s statement that an extra 11,000 places could be sought from Dunedin, Invercargill and Queenstown to be wrong.
Which means that Walker, between Boag and his other informant, has not done very well.

So to clean things up slightly it would be nice if a journalist could ask Woods – without her turning it into a racist rant – whether the number of 11,000 is reasonable or rubbish, since it is roughly twice the present isolation places in use.
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July 8, 2020 9:17am
Ruawai

I would be pretty upset if I was a returning New Zealander and found I was behind refugees in the queue when trying to return to NZ.
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July 8, 2020 9:21am
- Two bob
  
  its pretty sad living in nz when you realise that jacinda ardern rates the importance of refugees wellbeing higher then kiwis.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “I refute that statement, even though it may be true” JA //
    
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    July 8, 2020 3:35pm
igm

Take note townies, 8.3% higher export prices being paid for dairy products, still keeping the country afloat.
Best keep your anti-farming sentiments to yourselves, and that goes for Parker, as they are NZ’s only saviour financially, with no one producing anything else of value!
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July 8, 2020 9:32am
- rangitoto
  
  Steady on. I get paid good old “Orange Man Bad” dollars for my work!
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:11am
Ruawai

Regardless of this stuff up leaking private info to media I still think on balance National has more capable MPs to get us out of this mess than Labour.
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July 8, 2020 9:33am
- Tall Man
  
  National has capable MPs. labour does not.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:56am
  - Komata
    
    Tall Man@0956
    
    Having ‘capable MP’s is all very well, but without any ‘Policies’ to promote they are of no value.
    
    I’ve just gone on the Nat’s website seeking to learn what their current policies might be (with the election on the horizon and closing) and can only find ‘Policy Information’ for 204 and 2017.
    
    NOTHING about what they have to offer me (and the rest of NZ) for this year.
    
    With no policies etc. why should I vote for them?
    
    In any ‘industry’, the ‘BEST’ of the bunch are totally useless without anything to actually promote.
    
    The Nats seem to be following just such a line – and apparently don’t actually realise it…
    
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    July 8, 2020 10:56am
    - marcw
      
      You don’t publish your policies for a forthcoming election campaign until the campaign actually begins. Why hand your opposition the ammunition and plans for attack in advance of the “war”? The respective manifestos will be published very soon, including new Party Policy. Mind you, with MMP you can promise the earth, then ‘secret coalition agreement’ weasel word your way out of your pledges. Thanks Winston.
      
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      July 8, 2020 11:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      Patience grasshopper 😉
      
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      July 8, 2020 2:48pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      81 days out from an election is far too early to release policies, unless you want to hand them to your opponent to use, on a platter.
      
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      July 8, 2020 9:33pm
Durden

Walker showed by his huge mistake of leaking why he should never be a MP.

But worse, Walker showed his rank stupidity and naivety by sending the document to three lefty media organs firmly in the pockets of Labour (to the tune of $50 million and more to come) thinking they would publish ? Of course they would use the moral high ground excuse to not publish. But it sure would not have stopped them from passing on information about the leak to their political masters.

Regardless of what Walker did, Michelle Boag’s reputation as a “political operative” and name is forever mud. As it should be.

“Boaged” will enter the urban dictionary. Can “Hootoned” be far behind ?
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July 8, 2020 9:33am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I see where some people are saying Michelle’s son is a mate of Hamish.
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:44am
  - Durden
    
    Pity the son. Stupid friend and stupider mother. Any political ambitions quashed right there. As I said he has been Boaged as well.
    
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    July 8, 2020 9:56am
  - RJ
    
    Boag was placed to mentor Hamish by the higher ups in national who saw him as a future leader. He did what he was told to do
    
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    July 8, 2020 12:26pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      He may have succeeded. The details weren’t published but the issues about swamping Southland are now to the fore.
      This govt is living in the dark and wan’t to keep us there too. Without truth there must be leaks.
      
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      July 8, 2020 1:31pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The saga is not complete yet. It may but have barely started. When will we know what is going on with our borders and who is proposed to go where? Have the military now taken over and under what authority? Will the military have an enhanced role in future?
  
  It seems to me there is a great deal of public administration taking place or proposed and its legality not certain? Without scrutiny a freewheeling Captain closed down Taranaki, what’s next? Walker may have done NZ a good service.
  
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  July 8, 2020 1:36pm
Sacha

I have been a regular listener to Radio Magic. talkback, but tell you what – I’m over it.
Sean Plunkett has taken to hysterically shouting over callers with deviate in the slightest way. He is aggressive and bullying.
And just now the 9 am ‘host’Peter Williams has done the same thing – over shouted a perfectly logical young woman who was making a considered comment, and then summarily cut her off mid sentence
And Ryan Bridges is sailing perilously close to the edge with some of his smart-arse comments.
Something has gone wrong with Radio Magic. I used to enjoy both Williams and Plunkett, one for reasoned and courteous discussion, and the other for the sense of fun he often brought to his afternoon session.
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July 8, 2020 9:41am
- Tall Man
  
  100% agree on plunkett. He was abusive and pathetic at the same time yesterday and like you I turned him off.
  
  Seldom listen in the mornings but have found Peter to be coming more strident as time goes on. It may be a symptom of listening to an overload of numpties day to day but it is his right I suppose and ours to stop tuning in.
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:01am
- Maggie Pie
  
  The other thing that really pisses me off is the amount of swearing that they allow on air 🙁
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:17am
  - Sacha
    
    lol. Me too, Maggie.
    
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    July 8, 2020 10:53am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      the amount of swearing
      
      I admit that I have not telephoned a radio station since the time when Alan Hewson was running around, blindly, behind the All Blacks’ back line but I can appreciate the problem.
      
      Unfortunately there are many of us who suffer from a New Zealand education and therefore have trouble articulating and punctuating our speech without the use of epithets.
      
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      July 8, 2020 12:02pm
SB2

Fully deserved for one leader who has consistently downplayed the seriousness of the the virus and has turned his country into a basket case.

( rumbling of tanks in the background as the military appraises the disaster and move in)

“Brazil’s President Bolsonaro tests positive for Covid-19”

Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro said on Tuesday he tested positive for Covid-19, after months of playing down the severity of the new coronavirus.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/420721/brazil-s-president-bolsonaro-tests-positive-for-covid-19
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July 8, 2020 9:43am
- fernglas
  
  Of course, if he doesn’t perish in an ICU and in fact rolls out of it in a few more days, as most people do, he will have been proved right, won’t he?
  
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  July 8, 2020 9:59am
- Tall Man
  
  And when he fully recovers as did Boris he will expose the real con of covid.
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:02am
  - brett68
    
    Christ, it just about killed Johnson, you utter dimwit.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScIT_a2jF44
    
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    July 8, 2020 12:01pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Abuse works.
      
      He’s not dead dimwit.
      
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      July 8, 2020 2:50pm
- Two bob
  
  And if he emerges in a few days recovered and claiming the average flu was worse????
  
  who really cares at this point, there is absolutely no way covid will go away now untill herd immunity is reached.
  we dont have it in our community but all we have done is delayed the innevitable if we ever want to have a normal border and tourism. give it a year or 2 and Nz will have to deal with mass infection.
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:03am
- rangitoto
  
  Catching a cold doesn’t mean it is severe. He looked fairly sprightly, hopefully he is smart and doses up on HCQ and Zinc like Trump.
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:15am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Brazil is currently 12th in regards to countries with the highest deaths per million from the ChinaVirus, at 314.
  
  Which is way behind the European Union capital of Belgium, which tops the world with its significantly higher 843 deaths per million.
  
  No economy destroying lockdown Sweden has been in the single digit deaths per day over the past week.
  
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So he deserves to be sick, does he?
  
  What sort of belief system embraces the view that someone “deserves” illness?
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:48am
- RJ
  
  And that is coming from the person who attacked everyone who posted about this virus and constantly downplayed it calling everyone fear mongering. As for saying someone deserves to be sick, you are a sick person
  
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  July 8, 2020 12:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    I wonder if SB2 considers that the 22 folks who died in NZ with Covid-19 “deserved” to be infected.
    
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    July 8, 2020 1:58pm
Maggie Pie

With friends like Michelle, who needs enemas?
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July 8, 2020 10:18am
- Pateke
  
  Comment of the year Maggie
  
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  July 8, 2020 11:48am
I remember when

Isn’t it time we got an answer to what it would take to re-open the border?
A few details, the answers to a few question, a bit of what procedures will be in place in the future.
How long can the world continue to give people money so that they can remain locked up?
There appears to be very little information released that explains how the risks can be minimised, what new research has found, a list of ways by which businesses can exist with covid-19.
This is particularly important for clubs, bars, cafes, restaurants, churchs, theatres and movies.
Isolation, sanitise, masks, PPE equipment have been stressed but what else have we learned from six months of covid-19.
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July 8, 2020 10:26am
- Te Rauparaha
  
  The border will never open.
  
  Welcome to New Cuba.
  
  I’m building a raft and hoping the Australian Navy will pick me up as I near the Australian coast.
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    Cuba- Miami … 90 miles
    
    NZ – Australia 2500 miles.
    
    Pack a BIG picnic basket 🙂
    
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    July 8, 2020 12:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      2500 miles is nothing to a Maori global navigator
      
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      July 8, 2020 3:41pm
  - Two bob
    
    fuck that youll end up on manus island with a bunch of muslim boatpeople.
    
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    July 8, 2020 12:24pm
- Scott
  
  I remember when – I can tell you what it will take to reopen the border. It will take an election. Only when the election is over will the Prime Minister seriously consider reopening the border.
  
  At the moment we are heading up to an election where labour is well ahead in the polls and our leader is campaigning as the person who saved us from coronavirus. So the last thing she wants is for people coming into New Zealand with the chance of the virus coming back into the New Zealand community.
  
  If that happened we would have to say was all this sacrifice worth it? We can’t have that if labour is to be re-elected. So we must wait till after the election. Once Jacinda is safely back in office for another term then and only then will she seriously consider reopening the border.
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Why reopen the border when you need the adulation of those locked in.
    Ardern is self destructing.
    
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    July 8, 2020 1:26pm
Swifty

Boo-boo booted.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/122060255/marian-hobbs-slams-dementia-rumour-as-otago-regional-council-drops-her-as-chair
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July 8, 2020 10:44am
- sooty
  
  Well past her use by date!
  Only she can’t smell how far off she is!
  
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  July 8, 2020 11:06am
- kowtow
  
  See the fake noose take on the eco loons who turned up to protest and disrupt the democratic process.
  
  The Je Suis ODT calling them members of the public ,which is a lie , they were members of an organised protest.
  
  ” Outbursts from the public followed the vote.”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/hobbs-ousted-noone-takes-over-orc
  
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  July 8, 2020 12:07pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I didn’t realise she is 72. Can’t these troughers plan for retirement like normal people?
  
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  July 8, 2020 12:36pm
Happychappy

Michelle Boag stands down as the Auckland Central MP’s Nikki Kaye’s campaign chair for the upcoming Elections and no longer has any roll in the Party.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/420743/covid-19-privacy-leak-michelle-boag-stands-down-from-roles-with-national-deputy-leader-nikki-kaye
Good riddance to bad rubbish as she is well past her due date and has created more than enough problem for the National Party.
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July 8, 2020 11:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Every fucking Election the problem maker appears
  
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  July 8, 2020 3:43pm
I remember when

No mention of the RMA requirements for the Maui dolphin in the Manukau/Port Auckland discussion.
Constant dredging, ship’s propellers, addition disturbance.
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July 8, 2020 11:30am
Tomtoddy

Here is one of many reasons why housing, particularly in Auckland, is too expensive. It is a form of extortion to pay for bloated bureaucrats and their excessive salaries.

This is the cost for 6 water connections to a block of new apartments.
https://scontent.fakl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106298696_10164030055075051_4154378310771362252_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Xk7gBOjPj2cAX_nTUWa&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl2-1.fna&oh=35a3604a4b1b81947e6d74ad54072cc7&oe=5F28A33A
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July 8, 2020 11:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That is unbelievable.
  
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  July 8, 2020 4:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3fdpUTMfrs
Ghislane Maxwell Didn’t Kill Herself.

There’s a justice system. It works for Joe, and Jane Sixpack. The Injustice System
Works for the elite. They can get away with almost anything. If Maxwell does
give any names, and there’s a prosecution, it’ll be some minor B list actor.
A list celebs, and pollies will not take a fall.
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July 8, 2020 1:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The whole Epstein thing will always be covered up and the public will get a few crumbs.
  Why do you think Anthony Bourdain is not with us anymore? He was going to name names, but the bad elite got to him first. Bourdain was not the type to suicide
  
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  July 8, 2020 3:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    special people get special deals…
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/business/jeffrey-epstein-deutsche-bank-fine/index.html
    
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    July 8, 2020 5:39pm
Jack5

Two months ago Israel’s Prime Minister, Netanyahu, announced the country had beaten Wuhan flu.

Now it’s back, with 1000 cases in 24 hours, and is back in lockdown.

https://www.jta.org/2020/07/06/israel/israel-thought-it-had-crushed-covid-19-then-cases-surged-and-restrictions-were-reinstated?
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July 8, 2020 1:01pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FthFAQeJTPg

Chinas Stalingrad Moment?

The presitator is laying claim to other peoples cities. The next claim is
Vladivostok. It was ceded to Russia 160 years ago. They’ve already claimed stuff belonging islands belonging to Japan, the Philipines
And Indonesia. The 50 cent army is in full support. It’s ‘ancestral land’. It looks like the CCP
Isn’t that interested in making friends and influencing people. It has border disputes with 21 nations.
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July 8, 2020 1:02pm
rangitoto

Auckland Supermarket contaminated by SARS-COV2 positive returnee who left isolation.
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July 8, 2020 1:12pm
Fletch

Couple in the U.S paint over ‘Black Lives Matter’ wording on street, say they are sick of the racist narrative.

“We’re sick of this narrative. That’s the problem. The narrative of police brutality, the narrative of oppression, the narrative of racism. It’s a lie,” the man said. “No one wants Black Lives Matter here.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfHlYnEr_f4

Now they’ve been charged with a “hate crime” and could spend a year in prison.
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July 8, 2020 1:14pm
- doggone7
  
  They should be charged with ignorance if they think there’s no racism.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:49pm
Two bob

so a quartined person has to jump a couple of fences to escape but a COVID POSITIVE can wander out and go shopping

unfuckingbelievable!!!!! nats gave labour a gifthorse yesterday and labour returns the favour today.

our quarantine and toughest borders must be the laughing stock of the world by now
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July 8, 2020 1:22pm
- barnacle bill
  
  @Two bob
  
  You said
  
  our quarantine and toughest borders must be the laughing stock of the world by now.
  
  Really TB, Is the virus running rampant here – No.
  Do we have the virus in the community – No
  
  Do we have a minority that will not play by the rules – Yes
  To that minority, they need to be given the maximin penalty available under our current laws.
  
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  July 8, 2020 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

If you’re at a loss for something to do for the next 3 minutes – watch this.
It gave me goosies 😀

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TtSZgifg10
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July 8, 2020 1:23pm
RJ

This week I was one of the COVID doctors in the hospital. Before I went on service, I had planned to share my experiences when I got home after my last shift. That didn’t happen because I was mentally and emotionally exhausted after being at the hospital for 15+ hours.

I am going to try to break things down so that the general public can understand, because I want everyone, not just my fellow healthcare workers, to be as scared as I am.

This is going to be long, but hopefully will be worth the read for someone.

Facebook Post
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July 8, 2020 1:56pm
- Tall Man
  
  Or …
  
  https://www.facebook.com/michling/posts/10217734785949171?hc_location=ufi
  
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  July 8, 2020 3:12pm
Durden

Really ? Talk about having a an overblown ego.

” I am going away for a few days of R&R. Please, returning Kiwis, stick to the rules. We look forward to you welcoming you to our bubble of 5 million, but you must remember you are a risk to us. Don’t behave as though you aren’t.
— Dr Siouxsie Wiles (@SiouxsieW) July 8, 2020″
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July 8, 2020 2:21pm
- Tall Man
  
  Yet she gets upset when some tell her to fuck off.
  
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  July 8, 2020 3:07pm
- Prince
  
  One of the secret seven. All gels together. Such fun.
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:52pm
Maggie Pie

The neighbor popped over earlier for a coffee.
Really really nice girl. Expat South African. Solo mum with a boy at Kings. Her hubby was an airline pilot. Ended up he ran off with a Nigerian baggage handler. Bent as a Polish Sausage apparently. She had no idea of course.
Roox was saying she watched a movie yesterday afternoon on Maori Television – ’12 Years a Slave’.
Couldn’t believe how violent it was! She doubts it would get past the censors these days. Certainly wouldn’t do much to ease any racial tension between South Auckland and Remuera she reckoned..
My partners going to see if he can get it out for the weekend.
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July 8, 2020 3:00pm
Tall Man

I heard on the grapevine that the Head Hunters have issued an advisory that not all “Nannys” are goats 😉
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July 8, 2020 3:06pm
Tall Man

I was wondering if convictions should be public record.

I understand that to get a police check you need the person’s signature/permission but I wonder why. Surely we have a right to know if someone is a convicted criminal.

It would certainly clear up a few things and confirm or deny some persistent rumours 😉
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July 8, 2020 3:26pm
MJHNZ

I’m not sure if this is accurate or not – however a good friend of mine employs a number of staff ex India etc. he was saying that each year a few of them head back to India for Ramadan and also this is the time of the year for arranged marriages in India.

He is now happy again as these staff are flowing back into NZ as they return from Ramadan.

If this is true it certainly explains the big rush of Covid cases ex India. He also mentioned that some of his staff (ex India) mentioned they were able to get repatriation flights out of India on the nz taxpayer dime.

I hope this isn’t true – but it would be sickening that nz taxpayers were paying for people to travel back from India after Ramadan on planes infested with Covid.

Maybe this is some of the info that was passed to Boag…….. some would say it is raciest to even mention this in today’s PC OTT world.
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July 8, 2020 4:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  This what needs to be told. If true there are very serious issues here.
  
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  July 8, 2020 5:51pm
I remember when

Singapore have had three deaths from covid-19 during the period 1/6/20-7/7/20.
Vietnam 369 cases no deaths yet.
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July 8, 2020 4:02pm
Engelbert Humperdink

I’m not surprised when we are lied to by the media whores and politicians.

I am astounded when they tell us the truth.
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July 8, 2020 5:08pm
- doggone7
  
  How do you know when they’re telling the truth?
  How do you know when they’re lying?
  
  If you know they’re lying that’s good isn’t it? You can discount it straight away. Then again if you know it’s a lie because you’ve seen the truth somewhere else, how do you the elsewhere is the truth, it could be a lie.
  
  Tip: Take the Trump route: everything you want to believe is the truth, everything else is fake news. And tell everyone.
  
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  July 8, 2020 8:47pm
[email protected]

I sincerely hope that the government is already preparing so that when New Zealand starts to open the borders the country will have all the supplies at hand required to minimize the casualties. Good quality protective equipment in sufficient quantities and other gear such as respirators required to save lives. The ability to test and contract trace quickly would also be essential. Will we be up to it? Hope so. There has been plenty of time so no excuses.
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July 8, 2020 5:17pm
RJ

Been a while since I’ve seen a national leader not able to fill a small room….. Simon Bridges could at least fill a room, looks like Todd can’t even fill a bar with chamber of commerce members.

Timaru Herald
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July 8, 2020 5:22pm
- Prince
  
  The article says he addressed a packed bar.
  
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  July 8, 2020 10:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  Why the need to lie?
  
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  July 9, 2020 1:43pm
greybeard

“STUFF” has become an appalling, left-wing propaganda machine for the so-called “government”.
Nobody can record any comments or points-of-view which oppose the editorial dictates.
They are unwittingly ( and thankfully ) creating their own demise.
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July 8, 2020 5:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://uniteamericafirst.com/eric/breaking-united-states-announces-withdrawal-from-the-world-health-organization/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2KagLwyPN_Mtp0R6qFlVoMeLJDbr1qW_EyYYJt30BjIBLM5Maocv19i-k
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July 8, 2020 5:59pm
I remember when

Great news coverage on TV3:
A lone protester turns up to greet Todd Muller, because he has had covid-19 and knows what a sigma is attached to getting it. So he gets to say a few words.
Miserable day, by the look of it, so he has probably compromised his immune system to do it.
However, the item managed to fairly place the blame where it belongs.
Well done TV3.
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July 9, 2020 8:39am
I remember when

We need to move quickly says the Government, who have scarcely done so for the last 2 3/4 years.
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