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Raphael

Yeah, depending on who ends up leading, my party vote may end up with New Conservatives (Nikki Kaye is too far left for me)

Bridges still gets my electorate vote.
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July 14, 2020 8:01am
- Gravelroad
  
  The New Conservative candidate here has put up a few placards on roadside fences.
  One of them – all you can see whilst driving by is a photo of the guy and big “No Thanks” written underneath.
  This is not graffiti vandalism, it is actually part of his election branding.
  No thanks.
  
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  July 14, 2020 8:41am
  - Local Miller
    
    No, it’s been vandalized. They white out the line above which is what the “No Thanks” references.
    There’s been a lot of defacing of NC and National posters already. Here’s the Herald’s article, and you can also see what the posters actually say.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12347579
    
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    July 14, 2020 10:17am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Thanks for the clarification L.M.
      The sign I am talking about is on a fence in an 80kph speed zone.
      All I can see when going past is the man’s photo and “No thanks”.
      May not have been vandalised – just the blue writing too small to see.
      
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      July 14, 2020 11:40am
- Wired-one
  
  Dont waste your vote please. If you dont want Labour, it’s either National or Act, no one else has a credible chance.
  
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  July 14, 2020 10:18am
Captain Mainwaring

Time to get in behind Judith. Please not Nikki.
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July 14, 2020 8:02am
- Justitia
  
  Yes Captain, in desperate times such as those National now faces a bold gamble is required. I never thought I would say it but Collins’ hour is come. This incompetent government’s record offers many targets of opportunity and that is where National’s fire must be directed by a Leader who is one hundred and ten percent political animal and who takes no prisoners. If National’s caucus doesn’t propel her to the Leader’s seat immediately they will deserve the decimation they will surely otherwise suffer in 9 weeks time.
  
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  July 14, 2020 8:38am
TWEEDSE

Maybe I am not reading enough mainstream $1 press but where is Jac’s at the moment?

Secret trip to dadies island, Tokelau?
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July 14, 2020 8:02am
- RW Capitalist
  
  In hiding???
  
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  July 14, 2020 8:16am
- Tall Man
  
  Gisborne hiding from the bad stuff while her “dirty tricks” team decimate National.
  
  Just once I’d like to see a few days of actual journalistic effort without bias.
  
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  July 14, 2020 8:21am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Good luck TM, but don’t hold your breath!
    
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    July 14, 2020 3:16pm
- Aliog
  
  She’s in Gisborne, apparently
  
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  July 14, 2020 8:27am
  - alex Masterley
    
    It would be nice if she visited her electorate occaisionaly.
    Since she became PM hardly a sighting of her in the flesh in Mt Albert, apart from the odd visit to kindy’s and schools.
    
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    July 14, 2020 8:37am
    - Swifty
      
      Yeah, she was at MAGS just recently.
      
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      July 14, 2020 8:54am
      - alex Masterley
        
        I know about that.
        Last week, in the school holidays, with a picked selection of year 9 and 10 kids. Happily my son missed out on that gig.
        
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        July 14, 2020 9:06am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I hope she come back by a large canoe ,
  
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  July 14, 2020 10:30am
- calendar girl
  
  Leave her there, and the whole of NZ will be doing itself a favour.
  
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  July 14, 2020 11:04am
Chris R

Mr Muller’s very short career as leader suggests that perhaps he was given the leadership by caucus primarily to urgently replace Simon Bridges hence Mr Muller did not think clearly about the aftermath of the overthrow. The day-to-day leadership demands were obviously not contemplated…bring on Judith Collins without the dreadful Nikki Kaye.
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July 14, 2020 8:07am
- RW Capitalist
  
  His health (moles removed) has been mentioned on the AM Show.
  
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  July 14, 2020 8:16am
- Two bob
  
  Collins or bridges are the only ones I see suitable and I doubt Collins will use her 1 shot at leader to go into an almost unwinnable election.
  bridges only lost the leadership by 1?vote I bet those who turned on him have a massive hangover of regrett now.
  
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  July 14, 2020 8:19am
  - Chris R
    
    Simon Bridges as a #2 beside Judith Collins but otherwise I see Simon as being a spent force.
    
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    July 14, 2020 10:36am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Bridges lost the caucus vote by a hell of a lot more than one vote. 33-22 I believe was the number.
    
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    July 14, 2020 3:20pm
RJ

With all the screwups this government has achieved, kiwi build, increasing child poverty, not planting their trees, light rail, too many to list. They just had to get one more in before the election.

Transmission Gully opening could be pushed back to 2023 – Road Transport Forum boss

Stuff
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July 14, 2020 8:08am
oldpark

At least the slipped in pretender at the last election known as Ardern who got the job in similar circumstances will this time face a female leader of National Party . Will be no ifs no buts, or no maybes, as the nefarious background of Ardern is exposed . Like the Commie Chants of Comrade 15 times in 7 minutes in an address to socialist /commie youth .
At last here is a chance for National to nip in the bud the Commie/Socialist aspirations of Ardern to make NZ the Socialist Republic of the South Pacific. All we have to do is make sure on the day after the General Election on 19 09 2020 that National and ACT are in charge of the future and well being of NZs and their lifestyle. Nuff said.
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July 14, 2020 8:13am
Tall Man

Another win for labour unless tha National party can put up a decent candidate for the caucus and the party members to get behind immediately.

We also need the press to drop their partisan attitude and unroll the carpet in ardern’s office and let the hidden shit out into the public eye.

Let’s get the full sroubek story into the press, the “history” of the all participants and “why” the immigration minister did what he did.

Let’s also get the media looking critically at all the “promises” being made by the coalition members and the downstream effects they would have on NZ.

If the press cannot/will not do that the DPF and other blog owners have a massive job to do.
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July 14, 2020 8:14am
- RJ
  
  Well it was interesting to see an article yesterday labour throw the rule book out and play a different game not releasing policy until just before the election. Aka, fuck, we have no policy what are we going to do, just wait, we’ll see what the other release then we will release it with kiwi slapped on it.
  
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  July 14, 2020 8:48am
- IC5000
  
  > We also need the press to drop their partisan attitude
  
  Great, start with Mike Hosking first.
  
  Oh sorry I didn’t understand that it only applied to those in the press who didn’t support National.
  
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  July 14, 2020 1:06pm
Simon

Was Muller really that weak and fucking useless? Or is there something else?

People in Wellington like senior MPs are privy to a lot more information than the plebs. Or it could be he didnt have the confidence.
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July 14, 2020 8:25am
Simon

Where NZ’s Donald Trump? A right wing economic populist to wash away the shower of utterly useless shit that is NZ’s political scene.
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July 14, 2020 8:30am
- Inandout
  
  Simon, the Media Party would destroy any Donald Trump type before that person got started. Then of course we have a treaty that pervades most things in our daily life.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:12am
  - Harriet
    
    Given Labour will now probably win the election it’s best to load the opposition with ACT members.
    
    That will smoke enough of the WASPS out of the National party in the beehive — those who have sold everyone out to the left.
    
    And Key and co should stay well out of it. The last thing the country needs is complacency and lameness. 😎
    
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    July 14, 2020 10:25am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Only if he/she let them. If they refused to give media interviews, appear on rigged Q & A or Newshub Nation and used Twitter and FB to address the country, they would render the MSM impotent, and they would cry tears of impotent rage.
    
    Fantasy I know, but I’d still love to see it, and in the absence of a credible non-partisan (or at least balancing) arm of the media in this country, it certainly would be an uphill battle.
    
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    July 14, 2020 3:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who knew that we are mountain goats?
‘They are us”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/421150/tahr-foundation-apologises-for-they-are-us-slogan-in-lobby-video
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July 14, 2020 8:30am
- alloytoo
  
  Lots of people have “Kids.” and as my late granddad used to say “Kids are baby goats.”
  
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  July 14, 2020 8:59am
- Gravelroad
  
  Took young grandson to Wellington yesterday and at Te Papa found a very handsome Tahr on display there.
  Stuffed of course.
  Beautiful day in Welly: Grandson had 10 second trip down Mr Mallard’s $400,000 plus slide at Parliament which was much smaller than anticipated. Stainless steel was shiny though.
  Plenty of people parading round on the wharf area.
  Must say was impressed with Te Papa – really good stuff for school holiday visitors.
  Saw one person wearing mask ? on entire trip.
  
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  July 14, 2020 11:50am
Simon

ACT probably picked a few more MPs.
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July 14, 2020 8:41am
I remember when

We are tahrs. Tahr for this and don’t forget to be kind. Tahr for that. Tahr for stopping me being racially abusive or from using hate speech. Even when I was just trying to present a point of view. In fact having our hand out has become endemic during the covid-19 pandemic. Necessity has become a ‘grey’ area. Tahr for letting me end my life and tahr for not letting it happen. Perhaps the tahr are us.
Perhaps we are goats with a mountain to climb.
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July 14, 2020 8:44am
- Ruahine
  
  You deserve more ticks.
  Thar.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:09am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Thar Thar Todd?
    
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    July 14, 2020 7:55pm
I remember when

A change of leadership.
It seemed a good idea at the time!
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July 14, 2020 8:46am
Maggie Pie

Mayor of Aucland Phil Goff under investigation by SFO.

Mayor of Christchurch Leanne Dalziel under investigation by SFO.

Labor Party under investigation by SFO.

Does anyone else see a pattern emerging here?
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July 14, 2020 8:56am
- RJ
  
  Hmmm, all three of them are lesbians?
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:00am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No silly! They all drink free champagne
    
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    July 14, 2020 9:13am
    - RJ
      
      You get free champagne for being a lesbian?
      
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      July 14, 2020 9:17am
Tomtoddy

Expect another bombshell later today – from inside the Coalition. They will try and deflect attention back on Muller’s departure. Or the media will cover it up – they are capable of it.
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July 14, 2020 8:58am
- Durden
  
  As of now, 9:00am 14 July, news of the SFO investigating Labour is no where to be seen on Stuff.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:05am
  - RJ
    
    Why would it be, it was released yesterday, nothing further to report until the next stage of the case. And the article in it is still on stuff in the political section
    
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    July 14, 2020 9:11am
Batman

Since some people need daily corrective therapy, here’s your reminder that Trump is a narcissistic moron:

Trump: As an example, we’ve done 45 million tests. If we did half that number, you’d have half the cases, probably around that number. If we did another half of that, you’d have half the numbers. Everyone would be saying we’re doing well on cases https://t.co/4xeYfK8Ney
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July 14, 2020 9:06am
- RJ
  
  It’s true, you only have as many positives as you test and get. It’s why I believe we had a far higher number in NZ than our official count. People who should of been tested weren’t tested because of the rules placed on testing.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:09am
  - fernglas
    
    That’s not strictly true. The real figure is not the number of tests but the proportion of those tests which are positive, and that apparently is much higher now, by about 3 times. The real real figure is the number of deaths, which is consistently under-reported. Those are down, but seem to be creeping up again.
    
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    July 14, 2020 9:31am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      The difficulty with that is that at least 30 to 40% of tests are falsely positive or falsely negative. Because that’s in the nature of PCR accuracy, and because there’s not enough virus picked up on the swab, or, the testing technique is below par, or, the viral particles have already gone south into the lungs so the test doesn’t find them.
      
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      July 14, 2020 9:59am
- Inandout
  
  Batman, Joseph Goebbels knew how to skew any statement that wasn’t aligned to his philosophy. The US media is so dodgy with the truth.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:17am
- Jimmy White
  
  Go and review tour Statistics 101 notes Mr Wayne.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:48am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  “Narcissistic moron?” Well I can’t speak for your narcissism, but anybody with an IQ over 80 understand that when you don’t test you don’t get the result therefore you don’t get the statistic.
  
  Moron was a medical descriptor back in the early 1900s; = “Those whose mental development is above that of an imbecile, but does not exceed that of a normal child of about twelve years.”
  
  actually I think even a 12-year-old child could figure out that if you don’t do (sit) the test (exam) you won’t get a failing mark… Therefore, countries which do lots and lots of testing make themselves look worse than they are but they are in fact doing the right public health thing. Also, the more tests you do, the lower the death rate from coronavirus, fortunately… because most cases of the virus – with tragic exceptions – don’t kill people.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:58am
- Stu2
  
  After seeing how random, partisan and ill-judged he has been on Covid19, his dealings with North Korea, Russia and Iran scare me
  
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  July 14, 2020 10:03am
- Alex13
  
  I think that was a case of not being articulate / clear enough. More significantly, though, Trump is not up to presidency by his personality calibre. That said, is there somebody better at the moment there?
  
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  July 14, 2020 11:51am
andretti

There has only ever been 1 choice for the national leader since Key left and thats Collins period.Why because she has balls,more that most men in national (if not all).
I see Tindall is saying he should be taxed more,what a complete moron.He can simply write a cheque for the ird,what a wanker.
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July 14, 2020 9:07am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Collins period? Bloody hell.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:15am
  - RJ
    
    Well a Collins period is good news, she can throw in a pregnancy and trump Jacinda. Hmmm, not that trump would go for Jacinda.
    
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    July 14, 2020 9:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      she can throw in a pregnancy
      
      At 61 years old!….. Why would she bother?
      
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      July 14, 2020 1:24pm
- Harriet
  
  Tindall like other business people paid/pay low wages and prefer to pay high taxes from the profit – to then prop up their workers in the real world by way of WFF — where TWO working adults can’t provide for their families. It’s easier to be competitive paying low wages.
  
  It’s socialism on steroids, and that leads to people voting for a living instead of working for one.
  
  It’s everything that’s wrong with the Notional party. 😎
  
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  July 14, 2020 10:34am
- Maxx
  
  If Tindall wants to be taxed more, lets ensure it is backdated and also takes the opportunity cost of what he used that money to achieve.
  
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  July 14, 2020 1:43pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  About those ‘rich people’ wanting to pay more tax: Red Radio called them ‘millionaires’. Actually, they are multimillionaires, and nobody is stopping them from donating as much money as they want to any cause.
  
  A ‘millionaire’ in NZ is anyone owning a shack in Auckland, who might be on a tiny income!
  
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  July 14, 2020 4:26pm
krazykiwi

Moving assets to Australia. Any suggestion of how to move my home asset value to AU while staying living in it here in NZ?
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July 14, 2020 9:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Buy a home in Aussie..Go and live there
  
  Retain a tiny bach/unit here in NZ, in case you have to return.
  
  I would have done it yonks ago apart from the ~~encumbrance~~ hubby.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:16am
  - RJ
    
    You still could, just have a hubby in both countries.
    
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    July 14, 2020 9:20am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Decades ago, a wise man told me that “bigamy comes with its built-in punishment”. ..
      
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      July 14, 2020 10:08am
      - sooty
        
        Extra mother in law!
        That the killer.
        
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        July 14, 2020 7:43pm
      - Two bob
        
        2 hubby is probably alot less punishment then 2wives…
        
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        July 14, 2020 7:56pm
- Inandout
  
  krazy, go to Melbourne and buy a cheap house.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:18am
- fernglas
  
  Sell it to an Australian and rent it back
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:34am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Would the wealth-stripping Marxists simple demand the wealth tax via rates? That would hit owners of from all any/any jurisdiction.
    
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    July 14, 2020 11:31am
- Jimmy White
  
  Set up the Krazykiwi trust in Aus for a start and sell it your House. Better still set it up in Nassau.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:50am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep, If correct on what you are meaning.
  
  I would open HSBC ( Premier) accounts in both countries.
  Transfer/ Release equity out of NZ House for Oz Account. Job Done.
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  July 14, 2020 10:36am
- Harriet
  
  Cut your losses and sell.
  
  Any house in aussie is going to increase far quicker than in NZ. ‘Economic activity’ is the safest place to be, even with China throwing it’s weight against Aussie, will have the same economic effect in NZ for the most part —— as NZ Labour will waste the difference!!!!!!! 😎
  
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  July 14, 2020 10:41am
- IC5000
  
  Unless you’re a Australian citizen you won’t get in and even if you are they are cutting back on flights and on arrival expect a 14 day quarantine and 3k bill.
  
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  July 14, 2020 1:47pm
  - sooty
    
    A few years ago Cactus Kate had a post on escaping overseas and you could not have any house, club, bank or contact with NZ or IRD got their hooks in!
    
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    July 14, 2020 7:46pm
trout

Sweden looks odds on to avoid the ‘second wave’ of Covid 19 that is sweeping through Europe. The path they chose to take in ‘accommodating’ the virus could well prove to be the correct one. A quote from an opinion writer in ‘The Telegraph’ in reference to NZ.
‘ The goalposts have shifted. The purpose of lockdowns is no longer to protect health systems, but to prevent death at any cost. New Zealand has managed to eradicate the virus for the time being, but only by kissing goodbye to its biggest export industry – tourism – which sustains ten per cent of its economy and fourteen per cent of its workforce. Isolated from the rest of the world, it is a prisoner to a vaccine that may never be found.’
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July 14, 2020 10:04am
- trout
  
  The full piece from The telegraph’ referred to previously:
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/11/second-wave-covid-swedish-approach-will-have-right-along/?
  
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  July 14, 2020 10:25am
- cmm
  
  This is consistent with what the Swedes have been saying all along.
  
  The numbers after 2 or 3 months don’t matter. Come back after 18 months and we’ll see what has happened.
  
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  July 14, 2020 10:58am
- SPC
  
  Random thoughts
  
  1.The 1918 flu was over in 2 years and there was no vaccine.
  
  2. if it continues there will be no herd immunity, the antibodies do not last, so Sweden will gain no advantage. Whereas we will know that the Gilead drug (get a supply of a cheap Indian generic) works early and the cheap steroid works late before we have many cases.
  
  3. treatments, such as coating the virus so it cannot attach to lung cell receptors will reduce the severity of the illness.
  
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  July 14, 2020 11:10am
  - fernglas
    
    Antibodies are not the only way the body protects itself crom Covid-19, so their absence is not conclusive of an absence of immunity.
    
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    July 14, 2020 11:38am
  - rangitoto
    
    Not having circulating Anti bodies isn’t necessarily problem as long as there are Memory T cells.
    
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    July 14, 2020 11:42am
    - SPC
      
      That would be nice for our tourism future.
      
      One thing, they have tried vaccines on chimps – those vaccinated do not get sick, but they do pass on the coronavirus to those not vaccinated – a bit like how the assymptomatic do. So much yet to learn.
      
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      July 14, 2020 12:33pm
  - IC5000
    
    > 2. if it continues there will be no herd immunity, the antibodies do not last, so Sweden will gain no advantage.
    
    That’s what I’ve been reading as well which is scary. So you go for herd immunity killing ten of thousands of your citizens for no lasting advantage?
    
    What’s with the downvotes here, fuck this science shit ah?
    
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    July 14, 2020 1:51pm
    - SPC
      
      I hope the krazykiwi link guy is right, and some sort of herd immunity (whether it is actually that, or something resembling it in effect) develops offshore.
      
      There were villages unaffected by plague (quarantined out or isolated), and areas that never saw a case of the 1918 flu.
      
      Nice to be like that.
      
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      July 14, 2020 2:22pm
      - IC5000
        
        I think NZ should wait things out to see how it develops overseas. Letting it rip through the population simply because business can make money isn’t a good enough reason to allow people to become infected and die.
        
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        July 14, 2020 7:11pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Have a read of Second Wave? Not Even Close.
  
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  July 14, 2020 12:29pm
  - SPC
    
    Sept-Dec 1918 was the deadly second wave that time.
    
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    July 14, 2020 12:35pm
Engelbert Humperdink

One notes that the IPCA has decreed that at least three searches (= raids) carried out at licensed firearms holders’ homes by police after the Christchurch massacre were unlawful – but the police response is “nevermind we did so with the best of intentions”.

One notes that the best of intentions only applies to Favored Groups (TM) like the police and iwi (roadblockers) to let them off the hook, and not anybody else.
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July 14, 2020 10:27am
Fletch

One for Maggie – if you are born between 13th March – 13th July then Krispy Kreme will give you a dozen donuts to celebrate their birthday.

For everyone with birthdays between 13th March – 13th July join us in store on Monday 13th July (it’s our 83rd Birthday!) to receive a free Original Glazed™ dozen*.

You read that right. It’s a FREE DOZEN! We’ll be giving away 60,000 Original Glazed doughnuts!!

Don’t forget to bring along your photo ID (with DOB), party spirit & make sure you’re physical distancing when in store. You’ll want to hurry, offer available only while stocks last

https://www.krispykreme.co.nz/sharesmiles
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July 14, 2020 10:30am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Did you not see my post on GD yesterday, Fletch?
  
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  July 14, 2020 12:51pm
  - Fletch
    
    Must have missed it!
    
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    July 14, 2020 6:46pm
Jimmy White

Democrats in the State of Georgia have introduced a State bill the “testicular bill of rights”
This will require men over 55 to:
# immediately report to the county sheriff or local law enforcement agency when such male releases sperm from his testicles.”
# Get their partners consent to buy Viagra
# Sex without a condom will be classed as aggravated assault
# A 24hr wait for the purchase of Porn or sex toys

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/18/georgia-dems-bill-requiring-men-report-ejaculations/
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July 14, 2020 11:09am
JibberJabber

The Baroness, more relevant to New Zealanders than ever before…

The choice facing the nation is between two totally different ways of life: no less than the chance to banish from our land the dark, divisive clouds of Marxist socialism and bring together men and women from all walks of life who share a belief in freedom.
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July 14, 2020 11:11am
- krazykiwi
  
  It’s now long overdue that National became that stark choice between freedom and belief in self-determination, countering the Labour/Greens Marxist socialism.
  
  National has, instead, tried to be a nicer, more civilized version of the Left.
  
  And it’s not worked.
  
  Not even close.
  
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  July 14, 2020 11:26am
quarterpack

I suppose if you insist on keeping what is basically a machine gun in your house you can expect a bit of extra attention from the police from time to time
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July 14, 2020 11:14am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Why? what do you keep in your house that has lethal capabilities – a car, a van, a truck, knives, golf clubs and so forth? should we therefore be having the police attending to you from time to time?
  
  The huge majority of serious and lethal assaults in New Zealand are committed with bare hands / fists; also boots, clubs, edged weapons, and some occasionally unpleasant uses of jug cords, doors, barbed wire, acids and other chemicals, etc, and gang members with illegal firearms (including 501s and other gangsters the police issued a FAL to…) – not with “what is basically a machine gun”.
  
  I have been in emergency medical practice for 45 years and I’ve never seen a machine-gunned patient in New Zealand.
  
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  July 14, 2020 11:46am
  - Swifty
    
    Would the last have been ’63 I wonder?
    
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    July 14, 2020 12:10pm
    - Harriet
      
      Yep — that would be Ronny Jorgenson.
      
      Although I believe what he said — they went there and the other guy shot him/them dead, and for no reason.
      
      While in Para Ronny beat the crap out of him and then pissed on him.
      And Ronny ‘escaped’ NZ one day before the killer was to be released.
      
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      July 14, 2020 2:26pm
  - Swifty
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysD1SLYv7tU
    
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    July 14, 2020 12:15pm
  - quarterpack
    
    Yes, I have a number of mundane items in my house with lethal capabilities….cars, knives golf clubs, but they were all designed for a more civilized purpose. Unlike an assault rifle. designed solely for killing as many human being as quickly as possible. The people that own these sorts of weapon probably enjoyed being roughed up by another armed man in uniform anyways 🙂
    
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    July 14, 2020 12:44pm
    - Swifty
      
      Whenever have assault rifles been legal for NZers to routinely own?
      
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      July 14, 2020 1:04pm
      - quarterpack
        
        Surprisingly often it would seem
        
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        July 14, 2020 2:06pm
      - Swifty
        
        Do you even know how they are defined?
        
        Please at least try to get your facts straight.
        
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        July 14, 2020 5:01pm
    - Garbageman
      
      You just leave the owning of guns to the real men eh KFC boy your soy latte is in no danger from these good folks oh and take your homophobic bullshit with you on the way out Ta
      
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      July 14, 2020 1:17pm
      - quarterpack
        
        Amazing how “woke” some people can be when it suits them
        
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        July 14, 2020 2:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Yes, I have a number of mundane items in my house with lethal capabilities….cars, knives golf clubs, but they were all designed for a more civilized purpose.”
      No axe quarterpack? Never chopped firewood? Never chopped off a chook’s head, so you can feed the family?
      Away you go, back in mummy’s basement
      
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      July 14, 2020 4:51pm
      - quarterpack
        
        Yes I have done all of the above, should it be some sort of pre requisite for posting on this site?
        
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        July 14, 2020 8:51pm
- cmm
  
  Basically a machine gun? What?
  
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  July 14, 2020 12:09pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I think quarterman is likely a graduate of the ‘Dr’ Hera Cook School of Firearms Knowledge.
    
    (If you have not had to view or listen to the astoundingly uncredible effusions of this piece of work from academia, my congratulations).
    
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    July 14, 2020 12:30pm
    - Swifty
      
      I saw recently on her social media accounts she couldn’t tell the difference between a bullet and an ammunition cartridge.
      
      Doesn’t do her credibility much good.
      
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      July 14, 2020 12:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If only you could understand 10% of the rubbish you spout. If I own and Ar15 that you deem the be an ‘assault rifle’ that means I will one day put a bump stock on is and go nuts with it?
  You need a trip to Alaska sonny. I have had the pleasure of firing an AR 15 and many other guns at a private family camp there. Different world – they hunt; but they upskill by TARGET shooting. Fucking strange thing this practice stuff.
  My suggestion for you is to stop watching play school TV1 and 3 news, stop watching CNN, MSNBC = even FOX now. You are being programmed and will never have any good old fun
  
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  July 14, 2020 4:47pm
  - quarterpack
    
    … [Deleted. Stop making assumptions not made. Mod.] That this has even occurred to you is a sound argument that these things should be sent to the smelter
    
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    July 14, 2020 9:04pm
RW Capitalist

Lets have a look at the greens “wealth tax”
If you own the median price house in Auckland
$880 000
I you own 1 rental property in Auckland
$650 000
Sundry assets…$150 000
Kiwisaver etc
$200 000 (guestimate)
$1.88mill
Wealth tax = $18 800pa
If you make $70000 each
ie household income $140 000
Income tax $27 640
So total “income + wealth tax” paid out of your income $46 440 ie 33.2% tax, higher than the top rate if it applied to all income.
Remember..the MEDIAN house price, so HALF of all Auckland home owners are at risk of this tax.
In case renters think they are immune, where do you think the income will be made up from?
Increased rent
Sale of the rental property, meaning a lack of supply of rentals, therefore an increase in rent or even homelessness.
This will be the real impact of a Labour Greens govt.
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July 14, 2020 12:16pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Not that it matters because this idea will never fly …
  
  You forgot to mention the taxable income from the rental. Wealth tax was proposed on value net of debt
  
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  July 14, 2020 12:29pm
- SPC
  
  It’s asset less debt and only applies on net wealth over $1m, so on $880,000 if that is 1.88M.
  
  Sale of the rental to who – a current renter, means no change in rentals available, just one more homeowner.
  
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  July 14, 2020 1:07pm
  - Two bob
    
    Kiwisaver and term deposits are already subject to rwt ect so is the wealth tax a double/triple layer of tax?
    
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    July 14, 2020 8:03pm
I remember when

Just listening to TV1 news at noon.
After Todd resignation a segment on coronavirus cases with US and Australia covered more than briefly.
Didn’t hear the bit where Australia have had four deaths since the 23rd May.
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July 14, 2020 12:23pm
- krazykiwi
  
  You need to stop talking about deaths. They’re sooo passé these days. Get with the program. All the best fear action is around cases. Cases, baby. A second wave. Yeah!
  
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  July 14, 2020 2:03pm
RJ

Perfect timing for labour to drop a lot of things they didn’t want reported right now. I wonder what will be quietly released
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July 14, 2020 12:32pm
Maggie Pie

Amy Adams manages to get Meng off his arse 😀

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12347901
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July 14, 2020 12:47pm
- RJ
  
  Oh no Amy made a mistake and apologised. Meanwhile in New Zealand if you have brown skin you can get hospital treatment before those who are more urgent on the surgical list. What say you Meng? Nothing? Just as bad as that squash player.
  
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  July 14, 2020 12:51pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Nope, not even brown skin. Just proof that you have some Maori or PI ancestors.
    
    Racist bullshit policies from our kind leader.
    
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    July 14, 2020 4:37pm
cmm

It’s worth taking a big breath and getting things in perspective once in a while.

Worldwide deaths so far this year…

CV19 : 575k (but quite likely over counted)
Traffic accidents: 723k
Suicides 575k
HIV/AIDS:900k
Cancer: 5 million

Yet somehow we need to shut down the world for CV19.

The population of the world has increased by 44 million so far this year (the population decreased during the 1918/19 Spanish Flu) so not quite the end of the world.
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July 14, 2020 12:53pm
- SB2
  
  cmm, another one who like KIA and other US rightwing nuts who think that covid is merely the sniffles,
  
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  
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  July 14, 2020 2:36pm
  - cmm
    
    har, har har… The numbers I quote are from that same website:
    
    https://www.worldometers.info/
    
    Where do I say coronavirus is merely the sniffles?
    I say get it in perspective.
    
    There are much more serious things we take for granted so why waste all this panic over just one thing when we take far more serious issues in our stride?
    
    Friggin idiot.
    
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    July 14, 2020 3:35pm
  - RJ
    
    You mean an idiot like you who constantly told everyone COVID was nothing and everyone was fear mongering.
    
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    July 14, 2020 4:16pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      remember back in February he was accusing many of us on this blog for promoting hysteria …..
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/02/general_debate_2_february_2020.html#comment-2635244
      
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      July 14, 2020 5:26pm
Maggie Pie

Just had my package from Ebay delivered to home.
I asked the guy from DHL if he’d like me to sign?
He said…. “No, my hearings fine thanks”
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July 14, 2020 1:37pm
- RJ
  
  Oh my, you weren’t born with your package?
  
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  July 14, 2020 1:52pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No need, sillybilly
    
    https://i.imgflip.com/1qzzp4.jpg
    
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    July 14, 2020 3:39pm
    - RJ
      
      Oh that’s so not fair, that’s a much better colour than skin
      
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      July 14, 2020 4:15pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      MP – you do realise that now we are going to expect these groaners daily. right?
      
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      July 14, 2020 4:31pm
SB2

Now that Todd Muller has stepped aside the prospects are tantalizing and dizzying for the prospects of that happy clappy Christopher Luxton?
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July 14, 2020 2:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nope. Tantalizing and dizzying is your default setting for yourself mate
  
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  July 14, 2020 4:35pm
I remember when

Jacinda is in Gisborne doing the preliminary electioneering for Kiri Allan.
Making sure the locals appreciate how much money the Government is throwing at them.
I think they expect to be a definite chance for the seat.
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July 14, 2020 3:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Holy Moley
  ….she’s just given us $40 Million to upgrade the Olympic Swimming Pool
  http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/frontpage-featured/20200714/40m-for-pool-upgrade/
  
  (yaay hoo….. tho’ to be honest, I rate the places as pretty fantabulous already – especially when I have the 50m pool all to myself as I did this morning!!!!)
  
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  July 14, 2020 3:51pm
  - RJ
    
    The bribes are strong this election
    
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    July 14, 2020 4:42pm
    - sooty
      
      Shane up north, comrade in the middle!
      
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      July 14, 2020 7:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Meet the PM’s harasser

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122128085/man-to-go-to-trial-for-allegedly-sending-92-harassing-emails-to-pm
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July 14, 2020 4:05pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  If it had been 40,000 emails it would have been considered an isolated incident by the judge and he would have got name suppression
  
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  July 14, 2020 7:16pm
Maggie Pie

Just caught the last hour or so of Sean Plunket on Magic. Sounded interesting. Then ‘Bun Head’ comes on, and asks every leftie-loser in the country to call in and tell him “….why they lost their dream job”

Now with HDPA.
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July 14, 2020 4:15pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Apropos of the CCP: they may become somewhat distracted shortly and less likely to meddle overseas. Apparently 38 million people are under evacuation orders. A number I cannot grasp being able to evacuate themselves or be evacuated…

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3965733
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July 14, 2020 4:38pm
Than

There have been a few articles (on CNN, NBC, and others) talking about Orange Donny being unhappy with Dr Anthony Fauci, and the possibility of him being fired.

Most of the articles have focused on the fact that Trump cannot directly fire Dr Fauci. Which is technically true, but to my mind is a completely irrelevant detail. The fact that the instruction would have to first go through a political appointee and then however many layers of bureaucracy really makes no difference. If Trump wants Dr Fauci fired, he would be fired.

But that said, I think Trump firing Dr Fauci might not make much of a difference either.

In terms of directing Federal money and resources Dr Fauci has already been completely sidelined. He’s been moved to a position where he doesn’t have any say on those things. His only influence is his pulpit, his public statements. And firing him can’t stop him doing that. If anything it may expand his platform. Right now the administration has some say over where and when Dr Fauci can speak. But as an unemployed free citizen, Fauci could say anything to whoever the hell he wants.

At this point Dr Fauci has (independently of his job title) established himself as a respected voice on COVID-19 issues. A majority of Americans trust Dr Fauci’s statements more than they do Trump and his spokespeople. Even if Trump fires Fauci, major media outlets (and Democrat controlled congressional committees) would still welcome him back for interviews and testimony, and most Americans would still listen to him.

Trump can certainly fire Dr Fauci. But he has no way to silence him.
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July 14, 2020 5:27pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Oh, the sooper-genuis public health hero Fauci who has quoth, let’s see…
  
  …”coronavirus is not a major threat”
  …”virus is not driven by asymptomatic carriers”
  …”people should not be walking around with masks”
  …”no more shaking hands, but it’s okay to have sex (with strangers you meet online)”
  
  But wait! There’s more!
  
  Back in 1984 (yeah that very year)
  …”AIDS will ravage the heterosexual community!”
  
  Ok then Antoine.
  
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  July 14, 2020 7:18pm
  - Than
    
    Fair enough. I guess we should listen to the orange idiot who said people should inject bleach into their veins instead?
    
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    July 14, 2020 8:01pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Firstly, that’s not what he said. Do your research.
      
      Nextly, he is a politician. They’re all full of it.
      
      However I would expect a so-called respected senior trained (tho’ never in virology) doctor to have a better batting average when giving medical advice than a politician, wouldn’t you?
      
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      July 14, 2020 8:59pm
Wired-one

So the party of Clark, Curran, Whaitari, Davis, Lees-Galloway, and Twyford, who arguably have been the most incompetent in our history. Look like they will be rewarded with a second term. Seriously National, sort your shit out. As a usual National voter I am embarrassed by the current infighting, leaks and back stabbing. Make Judith the leader, stop apologizing and backing down to the media and take it to the current inept government. NZ cannot take another three years of these twats.
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July 14, 2020 5:31pm
- RJ
  
  So many people here seem to just hit the spot of we’ve lost and give up. We haven’t lost, far from it. Pull your big boy pants up and prepare for a good fight from a party that has a strong high core voter base
  
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  July 14, 2020 5:56pm
  - Wired-one
    
    Damn right.
    
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    July 14, 2020 7:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Political Correctness is Fascism pretending to be ‘manners’
Corksoakers
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July 14, 2020 5:50pm
Classic Liberal

Painful to look at the Nat Party site right now: ‘latest news’ from 9th July and ‘MEET TODD MULLER
NATIONAL PARTY LEADER’ on the home page. With huge pictures of Todd.

Come on Nats, why coudn’t you update your site within an hour this morning? At least get his picture down, put up something more neutral for now and lead people to your *policies*!

I’m not sure they can cope with modern communication.
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July 14, 2020 6:49pm
NK

Latest Roy Morgan:
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8469-nz-national%20-voting-intention-june-2020-202007130649
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July 14, 2020 7:48pm
- Tall Man
  
  Shows how dumb many kiwis are. I’m embarrassed for them.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:09pm
niggly

So (with today’s developments with Todd Muller stepping down) does this mean hard-working constituent MP Hamish Walker should be given a “second chance” i.e. be eligible to re-seek nomination for the Clutha-Southland seat?

After all he was “disciplined” under Muller’s leadership, which is now null and void?

I wonder what the good people of Clutha-Southland think? Can National Party HQ types allow them to make the decision?
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July 14, 2020 8:46pm
- RJ
  
  My guess, Judith will call Hamish in, who is talking with the investigation and get the full facts of what happened
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:02pm
- Tall Man
  
  He made a pratt of himself in his own time.
  
  This does not sit at the feet of Muller, any decent leader would have given him his marching orders.
  
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  July 14, 2020 9:02pm
RJ

Congrats Judith
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