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Tomtoddy

For days after the Falloon saga our juvenile media ran hit stories on him and National. On the day after Stuff had five separate stories – all negative – running at once.
No surprises that today they have just one story on Lees-Galloway, buried well down overwhelmed by a ‘nothing’ piece on Scott Guy and other braindead fodder.
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July 23, 2020 8:01am
- burt
  
  There are 50,000,000 reasons to not be surprised by this.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:11am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    That helps. But it runs far deeper than that superficial fact. The principal reason for their bias is that they share the same world view and espouse the same liberal consensus. They are all contemporaries and products of the same system that equips them with a monolithic thought process.
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:15am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Their ‘Liberal’ has become illiberal authoritarian nanny state. Not what liberal was meant to mean.
      
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      July 23, 2020 12:46pm
  - MCos
    
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    You could have had a piece of that for two dollars down.
    Do you prefer to play the victim?
    
    Oh the humanity!
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:26am
    - burt
      
      I’m not playing the victim at all, the MSM are sock puppets to their money masters and that’s got nothing to do with me. I’d never even consider investing into a company that can’t stand on it’s own feet without government support.
      
      I guess you’ve got nothing so you think playing the man rather than the ball will be a distraction from the reality here – it’s not.
      
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      July 23, 2020 8:37am
      - igm
        
        Burt: This is what a compliant media outlet does when it is beholding to a Communist dangling $500m in front of them:
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122228519/police-launch-investigation-into-former-national-mp-andrew-falloon-after-allegations-he-sent-explicit-messages-to-young-women
        Why are we being starved of Lees-Galloway’s carryings-on?
        Seems Stuff have been told (by unionists and Little/Ardern) to only run articles that disrupt National . . . this will come to a head real soon!
        There are some real juicy stories about ILG floating around Manawatu bars that need airing.
        
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        July 23, 2020 4:49pm
      - Batman
        
        I think you mean $50m, of which only $25m has been committed because the govt is useless with actually getting anything done.
        
        Apparently most of the media money is going on govt department advertising budgets lol
        
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        July 23, 2020 5:02pm
  - oldpark
    
    @burt @8.11 am .
    Not also since maybe we all missed it . After reeling from the deflowering of Lees-Galloway . There was late late question put to Miss Ardern by an astute key board operator masquerading as a reporter Ardern was asked about was there an alleged suspicion about . Money !Money! Money!Check out Miss Arderns’ reply . The plot thickens. Stand by watch this space.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:28am
- kowtow
  
  Funny innit , how the Media party are among the biggest promoters of the ‘Give Cover to Pollies who Bang Away ‘ are also the same people who are so vociferously adamant that Joe Pleb loses his livelihood over such heinous crimes as having an opinion other than that which is approved.
  
  Is it because so many members of the Media Party get so much copy via pillow talk or are themselves banging all and sundry . The “industry” has become very feminised .
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:16am
  - sooty
    
    Only because the pollies are banging the scriblers in the press gallery!
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:03am
  - tf78
    
    kowtow – I feel uneasy that Jacinda’s bodyguard is married to a reporter, that’s too close to home for my liking.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:05am
    - burt
      
      But conflicts of interest are different when Labour have them.
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:19am
      - Blackbob
        
        Conflicts of interest are required for Labour membership, like double standards.
        
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        July 23, 2020 9:23am
    - LTA1955
      
      Sounds like a shabby story running in Stalin’s Politburo during the 50’s
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:35am
    - Belinda
      
      I feel the same, imagine what he hears when he is on duty with Ardern.
      
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      July 23, 2020 4:04pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Very cosy.
      
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      July 23, 2020 6:20pm
- EssenX
  
  Andrew Falloon was the top story at the top of the masthead on stuff.co.nz for two whole days…
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:39am
  - SGA
    
    To be fair, stories last longer when the content keeps shifting. “Unknown acts because of mental health issues” becomes “sent inappropriate text to young woman” becomes “sent inappropriate texts to several women”. So to some degree that continued coverage was self inflicted.
    
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    July 23, 2020 11:20am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Don’t forget the false (defamatory?) ‘schoolgirl’ phase the media gleefully went through.
      
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      July 23, 2020 12:54pm
      - SGA
        
        meh – maybe, maybe not. It’s just as likely that someone assumed “student” meant high school, when in this case it meant university. But if you prefer to see it as conspiracy rather than cock-up, be my guest. It was corrected relatively quickly, from memory.
        
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        July 23, 2020 1:17pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Classic Liberal, EXACTLY!!!!
        
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        July 23, 2020 2:10pm
  - MCos
    
    Shock Horror
    
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    July 23, 2020 11:52am
- greybeard
  
  8:40am Thursday and there is no longer ANY mention of ILG on the “Stuff” website !
  
  That didn’t take long !
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:43am
  - sooty
    
    That pesky 50 million again!
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:39am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      $50m certainly washes whiter doesn’t it?
      
      Remarkable
      
      Who could possibly imagine that dangling juicy carrots would have our “fiercely independent media watchdogs” ™ frantically dancing like performing poodles?
      
      Who indeed?
      
      Bwuhahahaha!
      
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      July 23, 2020 11:48am
    - curry4me
      
      sooty: I don’t think stuffed got any of the $50 mill. Threy’re still shilling for free.
      
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      July 23, 2020 6:01pm
  - hookerphil
    
    But Falloon is back at the top
    
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    July 23, 2020 12:18pm
- Paulus
  
  What do you expect when this scum rag is only valued at $1.
  Desperate !
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:45am
- RoboRob
  
  Tova Obrian talking on Newshub this morning, here talking points …
  
  1. Pm knows all the details and has made a difficult decision based on knowledge we will never know.
  2. I am tired of the politicing here and would like to focus on policy
  3. ‘Falloon send pornogaphic material to a TEENAGER’
  
  WOW, just WOW. Re 1. Tova has know the details about everything for a long time. The other day she suggested JC ask Falloon if there were some other issues that might come out. Indicating she knew more than JC. So when its Labou we just know nothing and stop asking questions.
  
  2) Tova NEVER EVER focusses on policy. She knows people aren’t interested in it and she ALWAYS runs political hit pieces
  
  3) The woman was 19. Yes technically under some definitions a teenager but come on.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:35am
  - Random T Person
    
    Guys,I hate to point out the difference between CONSENSUAL and NON-CONSENSUAL, but there is a difference here. Careful of conflating and comparing things that are not comparable.
    Also, whining about things you can’t change is, well, I dunno, pointless.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:54am
    - RoboRob
      
      I assume this reply was for someone else. My comment was about the quality of reporting on the situation.
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:42am
    - lifesgood
      
      [deleted by Mod. No we’re not going to get into a game of detective that could lead to doxing.]
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:46am
  - Tricati
    
    O’Brian is a shameless tabloid muck raker, and she wouldn’t know policy if it smacked her on the arse.
    I think the likes of her and Mutch-McKay are maybe running a little uneasy as I suspect Collins knows they got the info on Fallon early on, as such, has fired a rather large shot across the bow of Ardern and her media puppets.
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:07am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Hey! They’re ladies (to use Winston vernacular) don’t you know?
      
      They’re probably trying to figure out which of their sorry arse mates leaked to JC…
      
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      July 23, 2020 5:52pm
- Aunty
  
  So why read it? I don’t. Every time you read Stuff, you are putting money into their pockets. Don’t do it.
  
  Ultimately we have the power over the Left’s and the Woke’s media because we are the ones who pay its bills. The Woke and the Left don’t have any money, that’s why they are Woke and Left! Donald Trump would call them, correctly, losers.
  
  Weld the economic power that you have to harm the Left’s media. Don’t read it. Don’t buy it. Don’t subscribe to it. Don’t look at it online. It won’t happen overnight, but it will happen.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:45am
  - graham
    
    Yep.
    
    As I informed Stuff during one of their opinion polls when they asked for “honest feedback”, I find their “woker-than-thou” SJW attitudes pretty off-putting. Strangely enough, I don’t particularly appreciate being lectured sternly by a bunch of woke activist snowflakes, when all I’m looking for is the news and current affairs, preferably presented in an open honest and impartial fashion. So Stuff is generally at the bottom of my go-to list, and I have managed to get quite good at avoiding the vast majority of click-bait headlines and skimming over the “it’s time for another LECTURE on how privileged/racist/sexist/white our society is and why it’s ALL YOUR FAULT as a straight white male”-type articles.
    
    Means I very rarely have to even go to the bother of scrolling past Alison Mau’s diatribes.
    
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    July 23, 2020 11:14am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    The answer might be to archive the rotten article if you still want people to look and comment without paying the toilet paper: e.g.http://archive.vn/
    
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    July 23, 2020 1:03pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Boycot Stuff’s advertisers, I do. I’m also in the process of compiling a list of the Herald’s major advertisers. Although my boycot of the rags mentioned is personal, every bit helps.
    
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    July 23, 2020 2:23pm
- Piniwi
  
  Interesting Tomtoddy but is just a continuation of controlling the narrative by the MSM. While it continues to be challenge to “listen” the PTPM it does let us catch some little gems that are inserted by her. After the rushed press conference yesterday the questions were quickly shut down with a new fob off. That other questions would be likely answered “on the tiles” which provided a bit of a chuckle from this listener. Especially after she appeared to avoid any such confrontation “on the tiles” after the bombshell. It was left to Judith Collins to have another chance to confirm the honest answer to a direct question on the AM Show in her usual short sharp manner. The only follow on was that it had been passed on the the PM by email to the PM’s supplied contact provided after question time on Tuesday. Which was the time Judith Collins made her aware that the issue had been sent to her by a complainant.
  The MSM have all added their own slant to this but it is no big challenge to follow the facts when reviewed in sequence. Game, set and match.
  
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  July 23, 2020 2:22pm
fernglas

Who do I vote for when I have completely lost faith in all politicians and political parties to do their best for their country rather than themselves?
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July 23, 2020 8:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  ACT
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:30am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Act
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:50am
- DeepBlue
  
  National
  
  ( or McGillicuddy Serious Party)
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:10am
  - BeeJay
    
    McGillicuddy Serious Party has some forward thinking policies! The one we liked the best was “ To fix the Greenhouse effect, stop the sale of Green House paint“!
    
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    July 23, 2020 11:18am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      I liked their policy of cutting the top off Mt Kaukau and filling in Cook Strait to build a road causeway!
      
      I voted for it.
      
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      July 23, 2020 11:50am
- burt
  
  ACT
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:16am
- giltee
  
  There’s good alternatives to Labour, Winston First, Greens and National. If you’re a National party supporter then there 2 very good alternatives. Such is the joy of MMP
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:32am
- Random T Person
  
  One more for ACT.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:54am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    And another, especially as they are the only party wanting to reopen the borders.
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:13am
- Pharmachick
  
  ACT
  
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  July 23, 2020 7:13pm
JibberJabber

Listen and Learn, Jacinda…
Margaret Thatcher

If you just set out to be liked, you will be prepared to compromise on anything at anytime, and would achieve nothing.
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July 23, 2020 8:06am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Good quote, however I’m tempted to give you a downtick for mentioning Thatcher and St Jacinda in the same sentence. Sarc/
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:59am
- MCos
  
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  Sounds like John Key didn’t listen to that advice.
  On the other hand Jeremy Corbyn compromised on nothing.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:02am
  - burt
    
    They did it too !
    
    Grow up.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:21am
  - Bevan
    
    Yeah, but John Key was actually likeable.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:45am
    - MCos
      
      He was, wasn’t he.
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:46am
  - Random T Person
    
    Good point Mcos. But Jeremy’s principles were quite unlike those of Margaret Thatcher!
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:55am
    - MCos
      
      Good to see you got my point.
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:46am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Her point was “on anything, anytime”. Not the same as never learning and changing with the times. especially when voters demand it.
      
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      July 23, 2020 1:09pm
Frank the tank

Who goes today?
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July 23, 2020 8:09am
- Two bob
  
  the CoL!!! Haha winnies stepped it up a notch and up to old tricks pulling the pin on the 100mil they were guna spend down here.
  
  Labour will be pissed as that was a good bribe to buy votes. surely the wheels will completely fall off soon and winnie will walk away from coalition agreement and inflict maximum damage when he realises theres no chance at all for nz1st to get re elected.
  
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  July 23, 2020 11:16am
- BeeJay
  
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  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/07/for_the_avoidance_of_doubt.html
  
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  July 23, 2020 11:27am
  - BeeJay
    
    Sorry, Mod! Got the message!
    
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    July 23, 2020 11:37am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Queen of NZ did not sack or fire him, she can’t.
He is a duly elected MP. Media and Labour have to stop their bullshit
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July 23, 2020 8:10am
- burt
  
  There is more to this story and it will come out.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:12am
  - MCos
    
    For example who prompted Garner to pop the question?
    I’m sure that’s not something that will stay quiet much longer.
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:29am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Where your Judith Collins/dirty politics story comes unstuck is in the timing MCos. By the time Collins went on with Garner yesterday morning, Lees-Galloway Was already 12 hours post-sacking, and had been sent home by the PM to tell his family about his infidelity before Ardern told the public.
      
      It wouldn’t surprise me if Garner got a word from the same people who told media about Falloon’s transgressions; someone in the PM’s media team, whose tentacles reach deeply into the New Zealand media. Who knows, it may have even been the same staffer who told a journalist to ask the PM about the Easter Bunny at a Covid presser, allowing the PM to deliver a prepared answer.
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:21am
      - Tricati
        
        An astute position TS, and I suspect, well founded.
        
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        July 23, 2020 10:44am
      - MCos
        
        You’re suggesting someone from Labour PR leaked the info to Garner?
        If it was it’s a dangerous game and entirely unnecessary. Crusher would have been itching to get the news out before the the PM. If you read the comments here it was a master stroke. Of course elections aren’t decided on what people on the forum think.
        
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        July 23, 2020 12:06pm
  - G152
    
    The attempt to screw National with the leak from Cindy was, I suspect, expected and replied to.
    There must be a book somewhere with current parliamentarians transgressions…
    Whats the next dirty trick attempt going to be ?
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:35am
  - Paulus
    
    It has been talked about and has been well know for at least a year, and all the tittilaters have known all about it in the political surrounds
    Poor Young lady now as the leeches will go for her.
    Why now ? – so she can show how strong she can be after having funked every decision until Collins turns up.
    Getting panicky me thinks – what next ?
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:49am
    - burt
      
      Ritchie Hardcore for Justice & Immigration minister.
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:22am
      - sooty
        
        Would that help having the supply chain in house?
        
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        July 23, 2020 10:42am
      - Nickc2
        
        Hey Burt, is that why the rush is on to legalise the drug trade?
        
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        July 23, 2020 2:33pm
- hullkiwi
  
  You don’t retire from Parliament just because of an affair. Especially when, he was able to remain in cabinet for being incompotent.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:15am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I had to laugh when Ardern said that she wasn’t moralising about the affair and that the reason he had to go was that he fell short of the professional standards she expected of a minister.
    
    Ergo, the professional standards David Clark demonstrated for 2 months during and following lockdown were within her expectations.
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:50am
    - Isobar
      
      So you’re ok with him having a relationship with one of his staff members?
      
      An affair, whilst an MP is hardly a sackable event, it is unwise, but it happens. However when it is with someone that reports to you and you have the power to destroy their career, that’s not ok. When there is a power imbalance, it is definitely not ok – and i think this applies not just to politics, but in business etc too.
      
      This whole ‘affair’ is hardly going to impact the public much. The way this was dealt with will ensure that it fades from attention pretty quickly.
      
      It’s not really on the same level as Falloon with a Police investigation in toe, which will ensure that the story will continue surface in the coming weeks and months.
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:03am
      - cmm
        
        “So you’re ok with him having a relationship with one of his staff members? ”
        
        That is not what Loddenthinks said.
        
        Read and try again.
        
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        July 23, 2020 9:35am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        As cmm rightly pointed out, I didn’t say that at all, and if you think I did you haven’t read the comment properly.
        
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        July 23, 2020 9:43am
    - sooty
      
      Professional standards, shit how did she put up with Phillip Stoner Twyford for so long and bump him up the list?
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:07am
      - Nickc2
        
        As it has been said frequently on this blog, Twyford knows where the bodies are buried. They can’t afford to have Twyform write a book.
        
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        July 23, 2020 2:37pm
  - doggone7
    
    You don’t retire from Parliament just because of an affair? Is that anyone or everyone or just him? Are all circumstances the same?
    
    Picture his wife, his kids, their wider family, their social circles and the community they are directly involved with.
    
    Is there a book that outlines why or when you don’t retire from politics ‘just because of an affair’?
    
    Tell us about how his kids are right now.
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:14am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Should voluntarily retire: yes, because he can hardly hold his head up in the community anymore for the reasons you describe (family).
      
      But be fired by the leader: only if he really had power over the woman and that makes consent very questionable.
      
      The leader of a party shouldn’t be moralising to the extent of firing someone for having an affair in 2020. ‘Let him who is without sin cast the first stone’ comes to mind.
      
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      July 23, 2020 1:23pm
    - hilaryt
      
      Very well put doggone
      
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      July 23, 2020 2:36pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      doggone this is 2020. Lange set a low bar in the late 1980s when he had an affair with his speech writer while still married to Naomi, who was raising their 3 children. Prior to Lange, there have been others too, on both sides and involving affairs with colleagues and staff alike.
      
      While we would like to believe that we all have expectations as to the standards set and morals of our parliamentarians, we have to accept that in this secular world, morals & standards are to paraphrase Groucho Marx, easily expendable, depending on the audience.
      
      I am not saying I find this acceptable, but it is too late to start moralizing as Ardern did yesterday.
      
      I do not believe the consensual affair, or the status of each of the parties in the affair was the reason for ILG’s sacking and announcement of his retirement. As others have pointed out, Ardern has had more reason to sack others in her cabinet (including ILG), but has chosen not to.
      
      Had the affair been the reason behind this, Ardern would said to Collins “thank you and what are you going to do about it?” Instead we have this tale of a late night meeting, Collins slipping the news out, & a hastily arranged 11.00am news conference and news that ILG is walking away after the election.
      
      That is all too easy. There must be more to it and Ardern must be living in fear that the truth will “leak” eventually. Not a world of morals at all.
      
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      July 23, 2020 3:55pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    NZ may hold much higher moral standards, but if I was to go through one particular federal bench a few years back In Australia, I could have counted all being sacked under the bonking rule except a few I could count on my left hand.
    Impregnating the Governor Generals daughter whilst married wasn’t a bad effort.
    This is just bullshit all smoke and mirrors, there will be a powder keg waiting to be discovered.
    His political career is his decision not Arderns, she has the say in the Labour Party but he can stand as independent.
    Never start a war based on morality, both sides will come unstuck and no one will win.
    Hormones, promotions, and living the high life will always win the day.
    Private life is either private life for all, but it appears the press now decide what will be public and what stays private.
    And of course, the other really sad aspect is that all will be silenced by threat of litigation in this day and age.
    Not one person can now say what is really on their mind except as a pseudo and even that is debatable.
    You get what you vote for in this world.
    Free speech is dying very rapidly.
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:27am
  - Nookin
    
    “Incompotent” ?
    A freudian slip, Hulkiwi?
    Did you mean incompetent, incontinent or impotent or call three?
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:32am
- MCos
  
  Neither Falloon or the Lees-Galloway were sacked as MPs.
  The former was prevailed upon to resign, which is one degree away from being sacked, but as we’ve seen with J-L Ross one degree ain’t close enough.
  The latter was sacked as minister and chose not to stand again for whatever reason.
  
  As we know from past experience, including the current LOTO, demotion from the cabinet isn’t the end of the world.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:23am
  - Isobar
    
    Do you think it should be easier for party leadership to be able to sack immediately an MP?
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:04am
    - MCos
      
      It’s the people of the electorate who put the MP in Parliament.
      Sort of.
      They have no say in who the main contenders are unless they belong to their parties, of course. So they are given a couple of people to chose between with not recall option if the winner is a turkey.
      If the turkey is chucked out of the party (J-L Ross) the party can get rid of them . . . . & the electorate can have another crack.
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:58am
Maggie Pie

A twitter bestie tweets……

https://twitter.com/dpfdpf/status/1285784103174856704
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July 23, 2020 8:10am
- Gravelroad
  
  Maybe it was you then, Maggie Pie. You’re big on Twitter!
  Will look forward to Maggie Pie being named in parliament by Winston First. Hope that’s your real name though.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:15am
- Tomtoddy
  
  DPF , Rachel Morton and others should demand to have their names cleared by a statement being read out in the House. It is part of the House procedure to counter the likes of the gutless garbage that spewed out of Winston’s gob.
  
  It would help humiliate the old tyrant.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:24am
  - MCos
    
    Good luck with that.
    
    Hasn’t happened in the past as a rule.
    Most certainly won’t happen this time.
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:31am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      It happened a few years ago. I can’t remember the details (I’m out at the moment) but will look it up later.
      
      The worst thing of all yesterday was a chorus of objections from Peters and his goons (and I use that term deliberately) when Seymour asked for leave to make a personal explanation after Peters’ speech. National subsequently forfeited its final slot in the General Debate to enable Seymour to have a right of reply.
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:28am
      - MCos
        
        The problem is Peters can say what he likes.
        The people he names can deny they dunnit in the most strident terms, but that’s all they can do, unless I suppose, someone else admits it was them.
        Peters problem, of course, is that few people believe him. Then again for a bloke who lives out on the margins a few might be enough.
        
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        July 23, 2020 11:23am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t think anything can be done.
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t think there is any recourse for members of the public who have been falsely named by a MP while under the cover of Parliamentary privilege.
    
    As we saw yesterday, David Seymour had to withdraw and apologise for calling Winston Peters a liar.
    
    Hence we must conclude either:
    1. Winston isn’t a liar, or
    2. Parliament is protecting a liar
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:56am
    - birdhaven
      
      Parliament is protecting a liar(Winston)
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:03am
      - Tall Man
        
        And ardern and …………
        
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        July 23, 2020 9:38am
    - sooty
      
      Sorry Maggy, fat fingers!
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:10am
    - Tomtoddy
      
      Maggie, an aggrieved party can request the House to have a response entered into the proceedings of the House. Contained in Standing Orders 159–162.
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Txs
        
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        July 23, 2020 10:57am
    - cmm
      
      It is just considered un-parliamentary to call another honourable member a liar even if they are lying.
      
      Parliament is there for the benefit of MPs. Muggles be damned!
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:38am
      - The Boss
        
        cmm: Sorry, did you say “honourable” member?
        
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        July 23, 2020 10:12am
      - cmm
        
        That’s what they call themselves.
        
        Right Honourable Winston Peters.
        
        The only right I see is Yeah, right!
        
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        July 23, 2020 11:13am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      You’re wrong Maggy. They can ask the Speaker to have a statement read out in the House and written into Hansard.
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Txs
        
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        July 23, 2020 10:57am
    - Nickc2
      
      Option 2 without a doubt Maggy. He has form as well.
      
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      July 23, 2020 2:45pm
Tricati

Being no prude, but have we ever witnessed our parliament in such a disgraceful state? Over the current term we have seen Ministers removed for physically assaulting a staff member, lying about secret meetings over RNZ, being totally useless (Twyford), and now having an inappropriate affair with a staff member.
Added to the above is the speaker of the house being sued for deformation after accusing a parliamentary services employee of being a ‘rapist’ and a senior person in the PM’s office having to move on after allegations of sexual misconduct towards another junior staff member.
If you include the government’s failure in meeting many of their key election promises from the last election, captains calls on closing down a major industry like oil & gas, and the appalling handling of the measles epidemic and meningitis debacle in Northland you really have to wonder what the hell are they doing – And all the above has occurred under Ardern’s watch, yet she is hailed as some type of saviour. Time to wake up folks and put some adults back in charge before we totally lose our collective respectability.
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July 23, 2020 8:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  ☑️☑️Doers, not twits☑️☑️
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Personal behaviour aside, people like Twyford and Clark simply do not have the ability to get things done. In fact I would include the PM in that statement given the total failure on child poverty. Housing and child poverty (and transparency) were the flag ships and they are all at the bottom of the sea.
  
  Ministers like Key, Joyce, Ryall, and English are uncommon. And there are literally none in the current Government that are anywhere near the ability of those four to actually deliver. Small example I know, but Twyford as Transport Minister revealed that he had never visited the Transmission Gully site, the most complex transport project under construction, or had any conversation with the people doing the work about how things were coming along and whether there was anything he could do.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:40am
  - Ruawai
    
    And David Clark had never visited a quarantine facility or Wellington during lockdown for that matter. Until recently Kelvin hadn’t bothered to visit Queenstown
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:02am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  It simply doesn’t matter how ‘good’ Ardern is – the fact is she ticks all the symbolic boxes that are so vitally important in the contemporary world…
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:31am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    And too many otherwise intelligent people I know don’t keep up with politics and the dirt and incompetence of the Labour Party at all and just believe that st Jacinda has rescued NZ. That’s all they’ve heard and seen at the top of news items over the last few months: huge threat from covid, people falling dead all over the world, and our pm saved us. Deal done.
    
    Plus ‘end of the world’ environmental
    threats they are scared of. So: frightened into voting labour or greens.
    
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    July 23, 2020 1:35pm
- Fletch
  
  As I have said before about Hollywood movie stars, singers, sports stars, etc, being in Parliament does not confer morals or nobility on someone. The people who work in Parliament are no better than the rest of us in the country. We seem to think of them as “up there” and somehow being more moral or honorable (the title they confer upon themselves).
  
  In reality, they are no better or worse than any other Kiwi you meet in the street – some are good people, some are ratbags. However, politics these days seems to attract more of the latter: those who want to shape the world to their own perverted image. Unhappy people who don’t like the way the world is so they gravitate to politics, or teaching in a university, or to the media where they can push laws in accord with their ideology or shape innocent minds.
  
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  July 23, 2020 11:39am
- MCos
  
  “have we ever witnessed our parliament in such a disgraceful state?“
  
  You must be new here.
  
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  July 23, 2020 11:51am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes – look at the Clarke governmemt.
    
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    July 23, 2020 12:28pm
hullkiwi

Another day, what will be the next bit of stupidity we will learn of today that those clowns we send to Wellington on our behalf have done?

Answers on a postage stamp to the office of J Ardern to ensure maximum coverage in the press.
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July 23, 2020 8:19am
oldpark

Heard the two members of the “Odd” Couple Club better known as the Sopers . The senior one commenting on the deflowering of Lees- Galloway Immigration Minister installed under the auspices of Winston Peters after the ill fated decision by
him to select the Labour/Greens Partys’ when the Majority of the country wanted a National Government.
Well when the news filtered through that another of his selection named Ardern as NZs PM was about to fire Lees-Galloway the battle hardened Senior Soper from the Odd Couple Club more or less said he has seen it all before .
Alas the junior Sober member of the Odd Couple Club made a meal of the whole sacking and deflowering of the mentioned waste of space rat bag Labour Party MP .
Wee flap jaw Junior Sober appeared to blame Judith Collins for directing the complainant to the right Person to handle it Miss Ardern . Well and good most people would agree that that was the right decision .
Except we should not forget that Junior Sober from the Odd Couple Club is employed by the same people who print the NZ “toilet paper” Herald the anti National Party newspaper outlet . Nuff Said.
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July 23, 2020 8:25am
- Prince
  
  I’m worried there may have been a power imbalance in the Soper relationship, especially in the early days.
  I call on their employer to investigate.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:59am
  - sooty
    
    I don’t thinks so. She wore the pants from day one!
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:49am
Garbageman

Before you click on the video just have a look at the state of these people that are allegedly running the country something to aspire to eh, the rest is just another article with Peters hoping to fool enough old folk with his usual bullshit, SSDD Same shit different day which sums up Peters & his cohorts quite nicely
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122195425/winston-peters-to-hold-save-tiwai-public-meeting-in-invercargill
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July 23, 2020 8:26am
- Unity
  
  Good grief!!
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:37am
- Tall Man
  
  Someone needs a bigger chair.
  
  Stunned mullets sprinfs to mind. Somebody must be using big words.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:36am
  - sooty
    
    Be interesting to see how many turn up!
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:50am
- Fletch
  
  I bet she’s not getting sent any “special” texts 😄
  
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  July 23, 2020 11:42am
I remember when

Dick Pics: “You have to draw the line somewhere”.
That’s what ‘dick pics’ where when I was young.
Lines. Usually draw on toilet walls.
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July 23, 2020 8:28am
I remember when

Okay I admit it! I released Winston’s Pension payment details to the media.
Might as well come clean.
Winston is going to announce my involvement in Parliament eventually anyway.
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July 23, 2020 8:31am
- Tall Man
  
  Except he “can’t remember when”……..
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:34am
  - Don Beckett
    
    No, I released Winstone’s Pension details……….
    (Or is it, “I’m Spartacus” ) 😉
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:59am
- doggone7
  
  Congratulations for having the guts to admit it!
  
  The others who were involved did the dirty and left it open for WP to attack all and sundry. I wonder if any in his wide wild splash actually knew/know the people who did release his details.
  
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  July 23, 2020 10:20am
Yvette

Winston Peters – alleged Rachel Morton heard about his superannuation details because she was present when former National minister Anne Tolley told her colleague Paula Bennett about it.

Winston’s court – action was taken against State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes, former Ministry of Social Development head Brendan Boyle and former National ministers Anne Tolley and Paula Bennett.
Following the two-week hearing, Justice Venning found that although Peters’ privacy was breached, he had failed to establish that any of the named defendants were responsible for the leak.

So Winston has used Parliamentary privilege to declare that Justice Venning is wrong regarding those involved in the leak – Tolley and Bennett.

And Winston’s source, the person who leaked to him that according to him or her, Rachel Morton was conduit of information Tolley gave Bennett. How did she or he learn of it, why then did Winston’s source sit on it until after the court case, why did that person tell him at all, back on May 20 – Winston Peters says leak details came from media: ‘We, and others, know who the leak is’ (RNZ) – and why did Winston announce this information yesterday under privilege?
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July 23, 2020 8:31am
- mandk
  
  ‘and why did Winston announce this information yesterday under privilege?’
  
  Because he is a liar and a coward?
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:41am
Maggie Pie

Tuned into QT yesterday. Was hoping to catch a glimpse of Sarah Dowie’s latest outfit but she seemed to be absent from the House unfortunately. Must say though, Jacinda’s looking absolutely fab. What really gets my twat in a knot, is having to watch while that Tamati Coffey stands to ask all those same old pansy questions to the Minister of Finance. He does it every sitting day. They’re always sooo predictable and boring. I’m actually sure Grant probably writes them himself.
Just saying.
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July 23, 2020 8:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “I’m actually sure Grant probably writes them himself.”
  
  You would be totally correct.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:42am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Aaargh. Should be …..’patsy’ questions
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘pansy’ seems fitting imo
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:49am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Maggie, in the situation you describe and with those 2 characters, it is a case of if the “cap fits”?
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:03am
- Jimmy White
  
  These days dick picks have been replaced by a very woke courgette.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:48am
igm

So Maori have now demanded preferential treatment in the private housing rental market, along with preferential medical/surgical treatment, preferential appointments on councils, preferential treatment in social welfare, preferential trreatment in employment . . . where is Ardern going to fit her Islam friends in?
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July 23, 2020 8:37am
- Tall Man
  
  Somewhere at your expense.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:32am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Wtf? Where is that?
  
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  July 23, 2020 1:43pm
marcmywords

When do we expect the next public poll?
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July 23, 2020 8:40am
- sooty
  
  When they think that labour has clawed back some support!
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:17am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And then they won’t release it unless the results match their narrative.
    
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    July 23, 2020 11:09am
- rockape
  
  this weekend Reid.
  
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  July 23, 2020 10:59am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Pointless, as most of the data would have been collected before Judith took over.
    
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    July 23, 2020 11:39am
    - bruceavon
      
      No it should go up until tomorrow. Will be very interesting. Hopefully National will take 10+ off Labour and the Greens still low. It has to be better than the last one. If not we’re doomed.
      
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      July 23, 2020 2:46pm
Thought Criminal

Is it just me or have these two been casualties of leaders trying to prove how tough they are?

One sends a rude picture to a young lady he fancies. More stupid than bad. I cannot see how anyone was harmed.

The other has a consentual year long affair with someone who works under him. Workplace romance are very common and the fact that it went for a year suggests that everyone knew what they were in for.
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July 23, 2020 8:42am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yeah two schools of thought.
  
  The rude pictures thing seemed odd. Like the girl was 19 and she got her PARENTS involved? And the PM.
  
  I have a 23 year old daughter – if a guy sent her a rude picture she would either laugh or slap him. Would she ask me to sort it out? NO.
  
  As for the other guy, workplace romances are a thing and so are “affairs”. But the power imbalance between a Minister and a junior public servant (which I am guessing she was) is so big that such a liaison is at least – very unwise. Should he have been sacked? I think he was sacked because Judith Collins knew and the PM was embarrassed. If ILG had told Jacinda 6, 12 months ago she would not have sacked him. She might have said “It is not wise, and if you ever embarrass me you are gone”
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:48am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Reports I have seen suggest that the parents are card-carrying members of the Labour Party.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:16am
    - doggone7
      
      Reports I’ve seen say several women were sent stuff.
      
      No mention of whether they or their the parents are card-carrying members of the Labour Party, or Act of the Maori Party or National or …..
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:24am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    As per the Heather DPA article I reckon Judith snookered Jacinda and she had to sack ILG.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:36am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Yes I agree Bobba. And It wouldn’t surprise me if Judith has a few more up her sleeve.
      
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      July 23, 2020 11:11am
  - Surely Knott
    
    “The rude pictures thing seemed odd. Like the girl was 19 and she got her PARENTS involved? And the PM.” The other odd bit is the pic he sent was of a woman. Someone on this blog also said it was photoshopped with the face of an mp. So It sounds like the intent was gutter political humour . Still gross and unprofessional but would not be the same intent as what was initially wrongly stated (without apology by the media) that he was sending port to children
    Interesting that they give no details on the age of ILG’s lady friend. The fact they seem to want to drive home their was it was consensual. But again without the detail of how it affected their workplace it’s hard to say.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:43am
    - sooty
      
      Poor Cindy moved at the speed of light on that one. I wonder why, more to come maybe?
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:54am
    - greybeard
      
      Jacinda was very careful yesterday in her 11am address to refer to ILG’s love-interest as “a person”, she never said it was a female.
      
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      July 23, 2020 1:12pm
      - Batman
        
        He’s known for his liking of women, not men. That liking of women is how we’re having this discussion 😂
        
        She will have used person as a default privacy thing.
        
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        July 23, 2020 1:54pm
  - Paulus
    
    For Jacinda to say she knew nothing of the affair is crap or she is more incompetent than you can believe.
    It was very well known in the wider Parliamentary circles. Every hack knew as they were also involved elsewhere – see JLR.
    
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    July 23, 2020 1:40pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Totally agree with you on that TC. There wouldn’t be one guy i know that’s ever gone to the police after receiving an unsolicited ‘flap pic.’
  
  Just saying.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:50am
- RJ
  
  Sent a rude picture to a woman he likes? You mean the married man that sent nude pictures of another female to that females friend?
  
  For some people no means yes I guess.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:51am
  - Ash
    
    I got the impression that the woman in the photo was known to both of them. Which means there is another victim and a bigger story.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:36pm
- Jimmy White
  
  To hide that sort of thing in parliament for a year is impossible. Even the cleaners husbands girlfriends milkman would have known about it. What worries me is how surprised the fourth estate was about the information.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:53am
  - sooty
    
    They only found out when they came up for air them selves!
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:21am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Barry Soper reckons he has known about it and so has everyone else for ages
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:37am
    - hullkiwi
      
      …and he said nothing. If it was so bad, there would have been comment.
      
      Because there was no earlier comment, it suggests there really was nothing untoward or unusual. If that was the case, then why did Jacinda act?
      
      In answer to that time may tell. In the meantime, because we do not know the detail, we can only but speculate!
      
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      July 23, 2020 11:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    According to my partner, when he used to subscribe to WOBH before getting banned a few years back, Cam used to refer to ‘ILG’s Stenographer’ as being in the loop.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:56am
    - RJ
      
      Slater is like Tova, everything they write is from interviewing themselves, oh and both had affairs to, so another thing they have in common. Just need Tova to fake an illness to try and get out of court now and they’d be twins
      
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      July 23, 2020 12:37pm
  - burt
    
    What worries me is how surprised the fourth estate was about the information
    
    We can’t call them the fourth estate when they are supported by $50,000,000 of tax payers money. They are the NZ version of Pravda now.
    
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    July 23, 2020 11:38am
Thought Criminal

NZ Labour logic.

You can hit and bruise ma employees of they don’t do their job exactly as you require.

But you can’t f*ck one for year if they consent to it.
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July 23, 2020 8:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yeah see my comment above. She was not the Minister’s employee.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:50am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sorry Benedict, you are wrong. Under his direction albeit indirectly.
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But you can’t f*ck one for year if they consent to it.
  
  Well, according to Jacinda, where ILG went wrong was by being the Min. of Workplace Relations whilst conducting his consensual relationship.
  
  Looks like she wouldn’t have batted an eyelid if he hadn’t held that position.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:06am
  - Tall Man
    
    Glass houses and all Maggy …..
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:28am
  - burt
    
    For some reason she does seem a little irrational in dealing with a guy who is having an affair.
    
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    July 23, 2020 11:40am
    - RJ
      
      You mean the guy that is lying to his wife and children? I wouldn’t want a minister who can’t keep it in his pants, and who is living a lie. How can you trust them when they are living a lie to actually be honest and upfront to people they aren’t screwing
      
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      July 23, 2020 12:34pm
    - mark15
      
      Ooooooooooh you are naughty
      
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      July 23, 2020 1:50pm
yossarian

I’m still waiting for one journalist, just one, to ask Peters why he signed fraudulent papers?

Of course the original crime has been completely forgotten about
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July 23, 2020 8:49am
Happychappy

Trevor Mallard loses in his bid to name person that he apparently slandered.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12350150
Trevor wanted everything
stacked in his favor but has lost the battle to name a person he has labeled a Rapist and sex predator.
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July 23, 2020 8:51am
- Tall Man
  
  So “what’s in it for wynston” has had a win then 😉
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:29am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Once a bully always a bully. Worst speaker ever?
  
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  July 23, 2020 10:02am
Engelbert Humperdink

It’s possible but seems unlikely that he got fired as a minister just for the horizontal waltz with a different dance partner. More likely is that the taxpayer has been funding the mechanisms of seduction and insertion on the country’s time – and that would righteously exercise a lot of people who have had their wages and salaries removed and their jobs ripped away while we see the public servants having neither of the sort.
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July 23, 2020 8:58am
- cmm
  
  In other words: it was the rort not the root.
  
  Making it about the root will hopefully keep the rort hidden.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:45am
  - rockape
    
    Jacinda said a lot about why he went but nothing specific. Saying it was a year of mistakes covers quite a lot of things start to come out. As usual she has deniability but it does show she must live with her head up her ample arse~!
    
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    July 23, 2020 11:04am
Yvette

Scenario of a leaker spilling the beans on Winston –

Hey, really funny enough, old Winston has got caught up in a super payments mess – got overpaid.

Wow! Rumour was, he was going to out Metiria for her indiscretions, but then she did it herself. It’s why Winston was so quiet. But now the architect of the Gold Card is in his own little mess too!

No, when he received a letter about it, he dropped everything in Wellington, flew up to Auckland _ yep! that would likely be at our expense – but sorted the whole deal out and arranged repayment of what was owed, all within 24 hours

Would you believe it?

He even has a letter from the Department commending him for his prompt co-operation in correcting the matter. So all done and dusted, apparently about a month ago

Oh …
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July 23, 2020 9:01am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “correcting the matter” is that code for “acknowledging fraud and paying the money back”?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:46am
- Liberty
  
  Here is an interesting question regarding claiming super.
  If your partner is under 65 you can claim super for a couple but there is a very very
  heavy tax disincentive not to get paid the higher rate.
  I can’t understand how a very high income earner who was paid the higher super
  For a number of years. Would pay such a high tax rate.
  It is all very strange considering there is a chap. Who thinks he is Gods gift to economics
  claimed the higher rate.
  
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  July 23, 2020 11:10am
Durden

Far North has issues. In this case I am talking about Australia.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8532267/Gang-rape-past-remote-Australian-town-revealed-five-year-old-boy-latest-victim.html

Do you think Shane Jones, Kelvin Davis, Hone H, the various Aunties who stonewall the police and rail against Oranga Tamariki, and the perpetually troughing Labour Maori MPs (e.g. big Wahine Mahuta) including current the ones in the Maori seat will, hand on their heart, says nothing similar to this happens in our Far North and the North East ? Or for that matter will Andrew Little and the Police chief assert that ?
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July 23, 2020 9:03am
- kowtow
  
  Unless Honkey/Capt Cook/Colonialists can be put in the frame then for the usual suspects named above and the Media party ,silence reins .
  
  But had the Perp been a dirty filthy member of the white clergy………
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:15am
JibberJabber

Chicago Mayor replaces US flag flying over city hall with official flag of Chicago.

https://twitter.com/Denlesks/status/1285971613050114060
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July 23, 2020 9:09am
- Raphael
  
  The problem for Mayor lightfoot is Chicago’s superintendent of police has officially asked for the Feds to come and help them restore order and states in the letter that Mayor Lightfoot has completely failed in her duties.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:57am
  - Frank Hematuria
    
    In the interests of accuracy, the guy who wrote that letter was the President of the Fraternal Order of Police, ie the police union – not the Superintendent of Police. The FOP is a highly politicised union and constantly in battles with the Republican Mayor (and previous such Mayors). It has no status in running the Police Force, nor in the line of command between the Mayor and the Police Superintendent. In other words, its letter to Trump is a political ploy.
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:21am
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      I missed that bit, I thought the letter was from the SUperintendant of Police.
      
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      July 23, 2020 10:45am
  - RiP NZ
    
    That cant be right, Batman was only here yesterday saying it was paradise in Chicago, just slanted RW reporting of peaceful protests…..huh, go figure.
    
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    July 23, 2020 5:31pm
- Inandout
  
  JJ, Chicago murder numbers have gone through the roof, and as has been well noted, mostly black on black. I don’t think Chicago working people think much of this chaos. As an aside woke papers, TV stations and blog sites are laying off hundreds of staff. When will the left ever learn?
  
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  July 23, 2020 11:00am
  - Raphael
    
    One comentator (Reza Islam I think) tried to blame the spike in deaths in Chicago on white supremacists dressing up in latex suits to make them look like black men and then going on a killing rampage.
    
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    July 23, 2020 12:07pm
Tony

I have been thinking about the events of the last couple of days.

It seems to me that National has been the winner out of all this.

Firstly, they have forced Cindy into a “damned if you do or don’t” situation. If she didn’t sack Lees-Galloway, she would have appeared weak compared to Collins.

But now that she has sacked Lees-Galloway she has set a very low bar for sacking an MP.

It is likely that other Government MPs have offended in a similar way. So, if National can find similar dirt on other government MPs then Jacinda may have no option but to sack them also in order to be consistent.

Secondly, Collins has invited Cindy into a mud wrestling contest with her.

This would be of no surprise so far as Collins goes. Hence won’t damage her brand. But Cindy has an image she has fostered of being saintly, and above all this sort of stuff.

So, if Labour want to preserve Cindy’s saintly image, they will have to become a punching bag for National and just endure all the attacks. But if they get down and dirty then Cindy”s halo is going to suffer a few dents and slip down a bit.

Also, Cindy is going to appear weak if she refuses to engage with Collins.
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July 23, 2020 9:21am
- sooty
  
  Should Twyford, Jackson and the rest of her caucus be running scared!
  
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  July 23, 2020 10:59am
- rockape
  
  you dont get into the ring with someone who is going to do you damage. I was a 65 kilo platoon commander, I had to get in the ring with the biggest guy on the platoon once a month for the 3 minutes we used to call milling. It just happened my opponent was my driver, also a commonwealth heavy weight gold medal ,one Neville “gunner” Meade. I dreaded that friday afternoon.
  
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  July 23, 2020 11:09am
- RJ
  
  The easiest way would be to release Tova’s little black book.
  
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  July 23, 2020 12:27pm
- Allan
  
  Cindy is weak. End of story.!!!!
  
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  July 23, 2020 2:29pm
Happychappy

Jacinda again in Parliamentary Question tim yesterday trying to fabricate the truth out her graph to rebut the National Leader Judith Collins. The Labour Leader Leader Jacinda Ardern is the first to criticize other when she is asked where are these infrastructure that will help our people stay in jobs that were announced to help get over COVID-19, and to show graphs of what you say has has been more than National have done in infrastructure, then say that Judith Collins the National Leader is “oversimplifying the issue” and the Goverment needs to do it due diligence before beginning any infrastructure projects is bullshit. So Jacinda Grant Robertson has had from the beginning of March when he announced the projects to do due diligence and now it is the end of July so like usually and similar to the border situation you are all talk with very little substance and again using lies to get re-elected.
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July 23, 2020 9:28am
- DeepBlue
  
  I recall KiwiBlog doing analysis re. why that graph is inaccurate… Something about what was included or not. It would be good to have that analysis again.
  
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  July 23, 2020 10:02am
lastmanstanding

Ive been thinking about NZ and Taiwan and Covid. So by my numbers Taiwan which is an island but very close to the epicentre had 7 deaths with 25 million people. I make that 0.28 deaths per million.

NZ had 22 deaths and 5 million so 4.4 deaths per million. NZ is also an island but far away from the epicentre.

And Taiwan didnt shut down its economy where NZ did.

I have also thought about the Health & Safety aspects having been responsible for H&S in a large corporation with many dangers that could result in workplace death.

The principles of H&S are to identify the risk and either eliminate or mitigate the risk.

With Covid IMHO there were 2 risks known from the outset.’
‘1. The virus originated offshore NOT in NZ.
2. The virus killed the old and those with certain health conditions.

So those were the risks.

So to mitigate the steps were to stop as many people as possible crossing the border and to isolate the old and those with health conditions.

The spread of the virus was known at least in January. Yet it took until mid March to take action at the border.

Many of the deaths took place in small nursing homes. That was always going to be the risk point as they dont have the resources to protect the staff and residents like the corporate retirement villages who didnt suffer any deaths.

NZ didnt go early and hard it went late and weak. We should have had no deaths and very few cases and the economy should have been open throughout.
The Government and the Health Department failed to plan and planned to fail and they did spectacularly on the basis of the Taiwan numbers and situation.

The Spin Doctors have conned the sheeple by first spreading fear and then spreading bullshit.

And the sheeple have believed them. More fool them.
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July 23, 2020 9:29am
- burt
  
  NZ didnt go early and hard it went late and weak.
  
  Correct, we tried to stay open for the photo-op on 15th march.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:40am
  - old skool reactionary
    
    Do you have any idea how many hrs shopping and how many hijabs Princess Cindy had to try on before she could find one that matched her eyes?
    
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    July 23, 2020 9:52am
    - burt
      
      I guess she had to wear a hijab, she didn’t want to be stoned to death or called a prostitute for having her head uncovered.
      
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      July 23, 2020 12:00pm
    - Ash
      
      Do they have a colour called “Souless”?
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:52pm
  - yossarian
    
    “You tell a lie once it remains a lie, you repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth” – J Geobells
    
    …and anyone with a degree in Communications will know that
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:01am
- old skool reactionary
  
  Yes, Taiwan HATES China, so as soon as the commies released a low key statement in their official propaganda rag around Dec 30th, about a “novel flu, but so not contagious”, they slammed the door on Chinese travellers within 24hrs.
  
  Meanwhile Princess Cindy regurgitated the China run WHO propaganda that the virus wasn’t that infectious. Flights to NZ from China, Wuhan kept rolling on in.
  
  Princess Cindy was too busy trying on hijabs in front of the mirror for her big comeback performance in March. She then freaked out and made a knee jerk decision to crush the economy.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:48am
  - Jack5
    
    Taiwan’s first indication that Covid-19 had broken out in Wuhan, was when it heard Wuhan doctors were contracting a new form of pneumonia from patients.
    
    Taiwan had an excellent system already in place for combating a pandemic. This was established after the earlier SARS epidemic.
    
    In the last days of 2019 Taiwan alerted W.H.O. to the outbreak in Wuhan – and was ignored.
    
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    July 23, 2020 1:26pm
- cmm
  
  I would not be in a rush to make too many comparisons. There are so many variables involved.
  
  Some of it really comes down to dumb luck, but other factors such as culture etc play a huge part.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:49am
- giltee
  
  Adern was advised to take steps earlier and to go to level 2 for a month by experts but she panicked and ignored that advice. Why? Perhaps she knew she and co were incompetent and Level 4 was the easiest option. Labour has no vision for the future. Their vision is to stay in power.
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:50am
  - yossarian
    
    Nope, she knew the world’s leftist media will be in adoration again when she attended the March 15th Christchurch Memorial with a tea towel on her head and looking sad. Basically the moment that event was cancelled she decides to move to level 3/4
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:05am
- Yvette
  
  When New Zealand detected its first case, February 28, it had done about 220 tests.
  It took at least 18 days to do its next 780 tests to reach it s first 1,000 tests.
  That was neither hard or early.
  Still yesterday Hipkins used the slogan “hard and early” three times is one statement.
  As his boss has said, it can take some time to get what you want
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:59am
  - alex Masterley
    
    The only person in the current adminstration who went hard and early was ILG.
    The rest are soft and late.
    
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    July 23, 2020 10:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And who was the Deputy Vice President of Taiwan when Covid-19 raised its head?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Chien-jen
  
  We do not have clever/ highly experienced people in our current Government.
  
  Taiwan does.
  
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  July 23, 2020 11:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    We don’t have honest ones either Maggy.
    
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    July 23, 2020 3:42pm
- tf78
  
  Taiwan doesn’t belong to WHO – there’s the answer to their success.
  
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  July 23, 2020 12:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Media are telling you lies.
https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/8-facts-actually-lies/?fbclid=IwAR2obN9TiedC_4SySeBcWjwQguWVmvn0GELMMid0fYDTDI4xQXXf_65Q__8
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July 23, 2020 9:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I know it says Cancer, but it is about Covid
  
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  July 23, 2020 9:46am
Maggie Pie

From the Irish Orderly 😀

Paddy says to Mick,
“Oi can’t remember that name of that historical Greek movie Brad Pitt was in”

“Troy”, replies Mick.

Paddy, “I feekin am, but oi still can’t remember”
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July 23, 2020 9:46am
- kowtow
  
  Dey’re not all dat stoopid.
  
  Paddy got to de final of Oirish Mastermind and de Ten euro grand prize question was :
  
  Wot do ye call de gap between two mountins ?
  
  Paddy hum and hawed and finally answered ;
  
  “Pass” , and won de big prize.
  
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  July 23, 2020 10:40am
Loddenthinks

WRT Winston leaving the House before Seymour could call him on his egregious BS: to be fair to the drunken old fool, he sprayed and walked away because his alcohol level had sunk to a dangerous low.

When asked to repeat the allegations a short time later, he could no longer remember who he was, where he was, or what the question was.
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July 23, 2020 9:50am
Durden

Winston is on thin ice with his wild assertions under parliamentary privilege.

Wonder how he will respond if any of the opposition make some true statements about him under parliamentary privilege.

What he did can be done unto him.
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July 23, 2020 9:52am
103PapPap

A couple of things about Falloon; why did he have those images on his phone, and how did he get the phone numbers of the woman?
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July 23, 2020 10:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Where does Cindy get her Captain’s calls from–the taniwha in Cook Straight or too much almond milk after midnight?
  
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  July 23, 2020 10:37am
Cassandra

As I understand the Labour Party’s rules, the caucus elects the Cabinet. The PM can choose personal staff, press officers, some secretaries, private household staff, such as housekeepers and nannies, and his or her spouse or partner, one imagines, but can only influence the choice of the Cabinet. Apparently dismissing Cabinet members for cause is allowed, as he or she can dismiss staff such as a housekeeper or nanny, and a spouse or partner.
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July 23, 2020 10:19am
Liberty

So much for a kind and caring Government
The state has banned the reentry of a Korean Father. Then removes an innocent 6yr old child from school because his legal guardian is not in the country. The child is currently
Living with his aunty.
Now the big question is. How many Maori children are currently fobbed of to some Aunty /Cussy and still attending school?
As we all know it has been cultural practice for years. To move Maori children around the family. To stay with aunty for a while. How many are legal guardians? I suspect not a lot.
So why is Hipkins persecuting an innocent 6yr old Korean kid?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300062917/coronavirus-nz-border-restrictions-leave-korean-boy-stranded-and-unable-to-go-to-school
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July 23, 2020 10:27am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “So why is Hipkins persecuting an innocent 6yr old Korean kid?”
  
  Because he is a prick, just like most of his colleagues.
  
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  July 23, 2020 11:19am
Yvette

Mr Peters claims the leaks go all the way to the Prime Minister.
“You’ve got a political party that’s been deeply exposed now. That’s all the way to the Prime Minister. Don’t tell me Paula Bennett knew and the Prime Minister didn’t know,” Mr Peters said.
“It’s underhand, and it’s dirty politics. It’s probably, in my view, illegal. Utterly, utterly wrong and apparently they knew even before I knew.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html

The current Deputy Prime Minister, Winston Peters, who made the above claims, now would have us believe that then Minister Tolley discussed a “No surprises matter” to Bennett in front of at least one other staff – the woman Peters named in Parliament yesterday – who was former National Party leader Simon Bridges’ press secretary (unclear what her relation was to Tolley at the time) but also the woman staffer was ex-partner of ACT leader David Seymour (supposedly also at the time to have the relevance Winston attributes to that).
Really?
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July 23, 2020 10:37am
Jack5

Stuff rounds up economists to question the NZ First plank to reduce immigration to 15,000 a year.

And the reporter? Ripu Bhatia.

There’s very little rational discussion from the political parties about population policy, yet NZ’s population growth has soared to probably the highest of any of the developed nations (as classified by the OECD). Media discussion is dominated by cheer-leader economists from banks and from consultants, some of whose clients may well be in the immigration industry.

GDP per capita, now behind Australia and the UK, is on a slide, and overly fast population growth is the cause.

Is there silence on population growth because it’s been classified as racist to discuss immigration?
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July 23, 2020 10:57am
- hilaryt
  
  Probably. We all know why. Michael Reddell writes well on this and lots else and, as Stephen Franks says, you’re stupid if you don’t read his blog. But then you know this.
  
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  July 23, 2020 12:13pm
Inandout

Hosking after 8am had an overseas guest on, and when she had ended marvelled over our ‘wonderful’ PM and how she had kept NZ safe. I can’t find the audio but if only this woman knew the full story.
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July 23, 2020 11:15am
- sooty
  
  Was it ” Karen “?
  
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  July 23, 2020 12:13pm
- Max Howler
  
  Hermione Norris from Cold Feet comedy drama?
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/
  from 8:14am ish
  
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  July 23, 2020 12:23pm
  - mark15
    
    ‘Hermione’. Is that like a Karen but upper class?
    
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    July 23, 2020 1:58pm
- lifesgood
  
  Yes, I heard that. I was hoping the Hosk would put her right. The upside is I’ve never heard of the woman, a complete nonentity as far as I’m concerned, and I have no idea why Hosking wasted time on her.
  
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  July 23, 2020 3:15pm
Benedict Yu

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/122219597/private-jet-leaves-christchurch-under-cover-of-darkness-after-picking-up-two-mystery-passengers

This is a ridiculous story. A private jet has departed Christchurch. That is the entire story. And it left “under the cover of darkness”. No Mr Journalist it left when it was dark. Because the sun had not risen yet.

“Under cover of darkness” means to ‘use darkness to go undetected or to leave or arrive without detection’. The plane was not doing that.
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July 23, 2020 11:44am
- sooty
  
  So the scribler of that piece who didn’t sign it, was interviewing their typewriter back in the office and they just sent a photographer out to get some snaps?
  
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  July 23, 2020 12:12pm
Tony Stuart

There was discussion in a couple of comment threads earlier this morning about members of the public having a right of reply to statements made about them under parliamentary privilege. This is covered by Standing Orders 159 – 162:

RESPONSES
159 Application for response

(1) A person (not a member) who has been referred to in the House by name, or in such a way as to be readily identifiable, may apply to the Speaker in writing—

(a) claiming to have been adversely affected by the reference or to have suffered damage to that person’s reputation as a result of the reference, and
(b) submitting a response to the reference, and
(c) requesting that the response be incorporated in the parliamentary record.

(2) An application must be made within three months of the reference having been made.

(3) Any response must be succinct and strictly relevant to the reference that was made. It must not contain anything offensive in character.

160 Consideration by Speaker

(1) The Speaker considers whether in all the circumstances of the case the response should be incorporated in the parliamentary record.

(2) In that consideration, the Speaker—

(a) may confer with the person who made the application and with the member who referred to that person in the House, and
(b) takes account of the extent to which the reference is capable of adversely affecting, or damaging the reputation of, the person making the application.

(3) The Speaker is not to consider or judge the truth of the reference made in the House or of the response to it.

161 Speaker decides against incorporation

If the Speaker decides that the response should not be incorporated in the parliamentary record, the Speaker must inform the person concerned that no further action will be taken.

162 Speaker decides response should be incorporated

(1) A response that the Speaker determines should be incorporated in the parliamentary record is presented to the House and is published under the authority of the House.

(2) The Speaker may decide that a response should be incorporated in the parliamentary record after the person has amended it in a manner approved by the Speaker.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/parliamentary-rules/standing-orders-2017-by-chapter/chapter-3-general-procedures/#_Toc490062905

It is entirely the decision of the Speaker as to whether a person who believes they have been unfairly referred to in the House can gain some recourse. It certainly doesn’t happen often, and I can only recall one such example in the last ten or so years.

However the mechanism is there for any of those falsely accused by Winston Peters yesterday of being involved in the leaking of his pension overpayment details, provided they can satisfy Speaker Mallard that such a response is justified.
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July 23, 2020 11:56am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Or another speaker after the election.
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:43pm
Fletch

How the U.S media are flat out lying about covid numbers –

Here’s a typical report, from USA Today a few days ago: “As the outbreak continues to surge across the southern states, Florida, Texas and South Carolina set records for new daily deaths, reporting 156, 129 and 69, respectively.”

ABC News reported that “Nineteen states set single-day records for the most cases this week … Three states set a record today.”

According to PBS in Arizona, the state “on Saturday (July 18) set a record for coronavirus-related deaths reported in one day, with 147, according to the Arizona Department of Health Services.”

The last story is particularly illuminating because the website the PBS article links to includes a chart of daily deaths in the state. It lists only three deaths on July 19. What’s more, the chart shows that there hasn’t been a single day in the state where deaths exceeded 65.

So where did that scary 147 number come from? The same place all the other “surging” numbers come from. Each day Arizona and other states file reports on how many people died from COVID-19. It’s not a measure of how many died that day. In most cases, the people died days or even weeks earlier.

In fact, in Arizona’s case, 106 of the reported deaths on Saturday resulted from a periodic review of death certificates.

None of those caveats made it into the PBS story.

The same thing happened in Florida, when a wave of news reports screamed about how the state had recorded 156 deaths in one day last week.

“The grim milestones come quickly in the Sunshine State,” CNN reported. “The Florida Department of Health reported 156 new coronavirus-related deaths on Thursday, the most yet in a 24-hour period.”

Yet Florida’s health department reports only 59 deaths that day. The most deaths occurring in a single day in the state is 99.

In California, meanwhile, the Los Angeles Times told its readers Tuesday that “for the weeklong period that ended Monday, 674 deaths were reported in California, the highest weekly total to date. In the previous seven-day period, 640 people died, which had also been a weekly record; the week before that, 474 died.”

The CDC, however, reports that it knows of only 48 people who died from COVID-19 in California last week, 276 the week before that, and 476 two weeks ago.

Nationwide, it’s the same story.

More – https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/22/the-big-surge-in-coronavirus-deaths-is-a-media-fed-myth/

The media seem to be dishonestly reporting a cumulative sum, or running total, not the actual numbers of deaths per week.
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July 23, 2020 11:57am
- burt
  
  The sheeple are much easier to control when they are frightened.
  
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  July 23, 2020 12:24pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Remember how awful our homelessness stats were before the election? And how they disappeared when st Cindy arrived?
  
  That’s the msm for you: mould and shape the stats to suit their election preference.
  
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  July 23, 2020 2:05pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    They’re all in motels now.
    
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    July 23, 2020 3:32pm
I remember when

Government considers Maori tender rights in $42b contracting spend.
Maori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta wants a portion of these contracts set aside for Maori only tenders.
This would raise some interesting questions:
How and who would set the contract price?
Where does the capital come from so the Maori contractors have the equipment to compete for the contracts?
Would they be excluded from competing for the contracts for the remaining 84% on the contract total?
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July 23, 2020 12:22pm
- burt
  
  The other question: When did we vote for apartheid?
  
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  July 23, 2020 12:25pm
  - RJ
    
    2017.
    
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    July 23, 2020 1:20pm
- stigie
  
  “Would they be excluded from competing for the contracts for the remaining 84% on the contract total?”
  
  Ya got to be jokin mate, that’s bloody racist !~ //
  
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  July 23, 2020 1:38pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  And: define Maori. We now have Self identification for gender, why not for ethnicity?
  
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  July 23, 2020 2:07pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Lots of things now coming down to race including hospital waiting lists, free healthcare packs and support at school, scholarships and now business contracts? How are we determining who is Maori?
  And what is a Maori organisation?
  
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  July 23, 2020 3:06pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Senseless and unlawful. Maori do not have privilege as to contract tenders.
  
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  July 23, 2020 3:58pm
- Two bob
  
  theyre already eligible to submit on any tender…
  if they dont get them then they need to upskill or sharpen their price up. its a sad day if contracts get awarded on race and not reputation, competitive cost, appropriate skillset and execution ability.
  
  If true this reeks of cronyism
  
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  July 23, 2020 7:00pm
I remember when

Te Arawa 2050 Vision:
Te Arawa hopes to become major employers of iwi descendants within 30 years.
The iwi wants to see more Te Arawa run businesses employing its people locally.
The Vision highlights a Te Arawa parliament and bank, its own Silicon Valley, and restored wai and whenua for descendants by 2050.
The document, which has been one and a half years in the making, was launched at Te Puia on Sunday.
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July 23, 2020 12:30pm
- Jack5
  
  Te Arawa have 26 entities – companies etc – registered as charities.
  
  Tribes are following Ngai Tahu in group registering their businesses as charities.
  
  This means they don’t have to pay company tax on any profit.
  
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  July 23, 2020 1:37pm
  - JeffW
    
    Fine with me, as long as they are consistent and iwi members don’t claim welfare, use roads etc etc which are paid for by the taxpayer.
    
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    July 23, 2020 1:56pm
    - Jack5
      
      What if you are a competitor with one of the tribal businesses, and you pay company tax?
      
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      July 23, 2020 3:11pm
      - JeffW
        
        Fair enough
        
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        July 23, 2020 4:02pm
      - Callum
        
        A company can donate all its profits to charity and have the exact same tax result as an Iwi (or any) charitable company. The key question is whether those charitable companies use their profits for charitable purposes.
        
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        July 23, 2020 5:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        Tell us more, Callum.
        
        Isn’t the position that companies can get tax credits (with a limitation) on donations to organisations with donee tax status, and practically all organisations with this donee status are registered charities?
        
        The position remains that the church that owns the big food business, Sanitarium Products, and several Maori tribes run their businesses under group registration as charities. This exempts them from paying company tax.
        
        Companies can also use imputation credits to pass on to shareholders compensation for tax paid. This prevents double taxation. However, company tax will initially be paid up front.
        
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        July 23, 2020 8:06pm
      - Callum
        
        Jack, as I said a company simply has to donate all its profit to a charity it then has no tax to pay as charitable donations are a deductible expense. It also then has no profit to give to its shareholders. A registered charitable group (including companies) may only use its profits for charitable purposes, it is the enforcement of this that is the only relevant matter. Advancement of religion, relief of poverty, advancement of education or other purposes beneficial to the community. Personally don’t agree with some of those purposes but they have a lot of case law to back them and were confirmed under the Charities Act 2005.
        
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        July 24, 2020 11:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Woooh! A new Aotearoa Government that gets income from ??????
  
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  July 23, 2020 5:46pm
marcmywords

Am I the only one who thinks this DEFINITELY wasn’t an accident? https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122219496/chinese-activists-on-way-to-protest-at-parliament-killed-in-double-fatal-crash

Two anti-china activists who are friends of Professor Anne-Marie Brady and were on their way to petition parliament… just happen to both conveniently die
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July 23, 2020 12:40pm
- marcw
  
  Wow, stunning stunt driver – driving from opposite direction, glances off one car and hits another head on. Check under your bed too mate.
  
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  July 23, 2020 1:02pm
- RJ
  
  A tragic event that doesn’t need people like you twisting it into more than it was. People have died and the mother and daughter that caused the accident are in hospital.
  
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  July 23, 2020 1:19pm
- cmm
  
  Shit happens even when you don’t cut brake lines.
  
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  July 23, 2020 1:29pm
I remember when

Just watched a video of a stationery Ethiopian Airlines jet plane on fire.
Now there’s a Global Warming emergency warning for the unbeliever.
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July 23, 2020 12:43pm
oldfella

Now for something completely different. Women’s rugby… Just wait till the BTLQXYZ+ community get wind of it.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/transgender-women-face-ban-from-playing-women-s-rugby-20200721-p55dx4.html
A blow for common sense and biology? Or will the rugby authorities cave in the face of a woke backlash?
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July 23, 2020 12:56pm
RJ

Will this be another failed labour project or has construction started?

commit to beginning construction of the new Dunedin Hospital within our first term
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July 23, 2020 1:04pm
- mandk
  
  I see your mistake, RJ.
  
  If you are Labour you only need to commit to things. You don’t actually have to do things.
  
  Hugs and a sprinkle of fairy dust.
  
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  July 23, 2020 3:06pm
- Two bob
  
  Theyll claim demolision as construction underway.
  
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  July 23, 2020 7:03pm
Prince

I see there is another Stuff Article claiming that ‘NZ First torpedoed the Capital Gains Tax’.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300062984/face-it-were-going-to-have-to-pay-more-tax#comments
This would be about the twentieth time I have this from Political or Financial journalists, and is, to borrow a phrase, demonstrably baseless.
In 2017 National ran a successful line that Labour would increase tax rates to pay for their extravagant (and eventually fanciful) promises.
Grant Robertson committed to holding a Tax Review Working Group, and any changes to come out of that would be taken to the 2020 election before implementation, for the people to decide.
Well, the Tax Group recommended CGT. Labour could have adopted this for 2020, and in fact would be in a very happy position of at least having a plan to fund their promises, and asking National ‘Yes but how will you pay for it ?’ every time the Opposition made a spending pledge.
Fortunately for National, neither Ardern, nor Robertson were capable of understanding and selling the new tax, so they enlisted an ageing and unwell Michael Cullen. Cullen was solid, but not well liked and certainly not the person to sell a bright new future. There must have been other contendors, eg Deborah Morris, but we now know Ardern is not one to promote or trust new talent, so in a move that she and her followers must now deeply regret, she scuttled the tax as ‘not on my watch’.
So, NZ First had no say in whether Labour took CGT to the electorate in 2020. It is probably useful for Labour and NZF to claim otherwise, but the fact is Labour was too timid and incompetent to follow through their 2017 agenda.
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July 23, 2020 1:15pm
- Prince
  
  Apologies, I meant Deborah Russell, Labour MP and previously a University Tax lecturer, not Deborah Morriswho was an ex NZ First MP.
  Was listening to Russell Morris ‘Sweet Sweet Love’ while typing.
  
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  July 23, 2020 1:24pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Actually,
  
  Simon Bridges attacked it very vocally and quickly made it politically untenable for both Labour and Winston. Up until that point, NZ First was actively advocating for it on their website.
  
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  July 23, 2020 3:46pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  CGT is dead–in NZ it’s only wanted by
  the envious. It’s not the revenue raiser, very difficult to administer fairly and do we want to chase our few remaining taxpayers away?
  
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  July 23, 2020 3:54pm
  - RJ
    
    Nope it’s far from dead and you will hear it come up again. The greens want it, labour want it, be scared of a labour greens government
    
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    July 23, 2020 5:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Southern Venezuela
      
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      July 23, 2020 5:48pm
oldfella

American lefty environmental hero has a change of heart. Will be burned at the stake any moment now.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8550381/Eco-warrior-says-going-veggie-pointless-mass-loss-species-myth.html
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July 23, 2020 1:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How successful is NZ?
Oliver Harwitch interview

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/new-zealands-success-story/12481694
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July 23, 2020 1:51pm
Jack5

Christchurch City Council, the ratepayer-screwing entrepreneur …

First millions locked up in a secret jet-engine reconditioning plant, which will no doubt be hit by the crash of world tourism.

Second, the city’s three-quarter owned Christchurch International Airport, has spent $45 million in buying land at Tarras, Central Otago, so that in five to 15 years on building an airport to service Queenstown, which already as an airport that in a few years may be too small.

Taking the project to its first operational stage, able to handle a million passengers a year – about the same as Queenstown Airport – would be a $350 million to $400 million investment.

Malcolm Johns, chief executive of Christchurch International Airport, says the investment was the decision of the company board, but the shareholders – Christchurch City Council and the Government – were kept in the picture.

If you’re a Christchurch ratepayer you want to listen to this interview of Johns by Kathryn Ryan:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018756214
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July 23, 2020 1:57pm
- Stu2
  
  Sounds about as wondrously cost benefical as extending Wellington’s airport.
  
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  July 23, 2020 10:01pm
theoldbloke

Finally the PM of NZ has hooked up with her Communist Buddies.

Getting “cosy”” with Vietnam.

Who by the way did NOT go batshit crazy about Covid and didnt lockup their citizens albeit they are a communist country
408 cases zero deaths.
No not looking for advise.

But making them a Strategic Partner!!

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/joint-statement-strategic-partnership-between-socialist-republic-viet-nam-and-new-zealand
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July 23, 2020 2:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Read between the lines. How to form and run a socialist republic.
  Note, it is a socialist republic, not a Constitutional Republic
  
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  July 23, 2020 3:44pm
Fletch

Makes you wonder which “hive” he is talking about 🤔

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcb4_QwP6fE
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July 23, 2020 3:06pm
lifesgood

RNZ is getting more woke by the day. On 1pm news they were talking about a wahine maori who couldn’t get a whare for her whanau. What the?
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July 23, 2020 3:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://genesiustimes.com/joe-biden-agrees-to-three-televised-debates-with-barron-trump/?fbclid=IwAR2VF0YIVRwkCjGbjPp8iFHnL_xziAkBvIDxdpMbHq0BYtJUmmdgHFrs-qo
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July 23, 2020 3:16pm
RJ

This is when you should realise your are someone whose life does not matter

Photo Appears to Show Black Lives Matter Supporters Holding Down and Kneeling on Neck of White Baby

Article
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July 23, 2020 3:25pm
- krazykiwi
  
  That poor child. Colour is irrelevant here. Children are more than 80x more likely to die at the hand of a mother’s boyfriend than at the hand of the child’s biological father.
  
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  July 23, 2020 4:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    SOCK
    
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    July 23, 2020 4:49pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      SOCWK
      
      The guy is clearly a racist.
      
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      July 23, 2020 4:58pm
  - RJ
    
    No colour is relevant here. He was not kneeling on the neck of the black child. In the room. And the comments he got, including from a special education teacher were telling him how to do it right to kill the white child. This case of abuse was ALL about the colour of the child
    
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    July 23, 2020 6:27pm
Inandout

Has the BLM crowd in the US gone completely gaga?
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f18ef20ba80aa3387ccf5de

One commenter wrote ‘CNN: We expect the man to be cleared of all wrong-dong once we make it known that the baby said “All Lives Matter” before the incident’.
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July 23, 2020 3:59pm
RJ

Future labour policy or at least advice for MPs on how to not get caught having an affair

The Canadian government released a 16-page safety document online this week on how to best avoid the spread of coronavirus after lockdown.

One of its most notable tips? To use glory holes when having sex.

The British Colombian Centre for Disease Control advises that when partaking casual sex during the pandemic, people utilise “barriers, like walls (eg: glory holes), that allow for sexual contact but prevent close face-to-face contact”.

Newshub
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July 23, 2020 4:28pm
- Don Beckett
  
  How perverted and disgusting is that?
  
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  July 23, 2020 5:20pm
  - sooty
    
    You would think that would be straight out of a labour camp!
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:07pm
RJ

Well ladies of kiwiblog, what say you, have we moved past calling you ladies. Hmmm what about the ladyboys, what will they be called now? This is a debating chamber, well until Trevor allowed babies in there it was a debating chamber, come on Trevor stop being so damn precious.

Speaker Trevor Mallard then rose to voice his concern at Mr Peters’ language.

“We are living in times where many of us have sensed change and language which would have once been acceptable is no longer.

“I think referring to a member just as lady is not any longer an appropriate thing to say,” he said before being interrupted by an interjection from NZ First MP Shane Jones.

One News
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July 23, 2020 4:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Queers and Steers – which one are you (movie)
  
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  July 23, 2020 5:51pm
RJ

Campaign bus for Judith Collins? Stuff
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July 23, 2020 5:57pm
- sooty
  
  Someone over at YSB saw the NZF black campaign bus. Said it looked like a failed 1980 school bus and out on it kast trip before the scrap yard!
  
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  July 23, 2020 8:03pm
  - RJ
    
    The bus or Winston were out on their last trip before the scrap yard?
    
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    July 23, 2020 8:15pm
    - sooty
      
      Both scraped in the crusher! Ha Haa!
      
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      July 23, 2020 9:46pm
Brian McDonald

Is this politics the way you want it?
JC shifts Falloon aside, having agreed with him that it’s a mental health issue, something he repeats. That is clearly the first plan.
When the next day other accusation emerge JC’s concern is turned attack which is yet to stop. If he was having mental health issues they are no longer relevant by her consideration. She reveals things which are prejudical to his right of due process and comments freely as the week continues that he has been untruthful and indirectly says he is a serial offender.
A number of Nat MPs were interiewed about Falloon and all sing almost identically from the same song sheet about Falloon’s alleged behaviour. Not one comments that there is a police investigation, or point out that there may be privacy issues. Nobody sticks up for him, mentions the stress of the job and that they don’t want to judge him. His “team” of a week ago is kicking the heck out of him.
Collins gets info on ILG and tells the PM before speaking to the press about it. ILG is already gone JA having sacked him from his Minister’s role. On paper he has done something many others have done. His family, like that of Falloon, are put in a bad position. He is not attacked by his own party. But politically the 2 men and their families have become political waste.
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- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m with you on much of this..
  
  Something very nasty is stinking in the woodpile.
  
  I’ve been disgusted by the way the media is trying to belittle the claim of mental sickness/breakdown in the case of Andrew Falloon.
  
  His sleazy behaviour and silly lies seem completely irrational to me.
  
  Now if he has always been a total sleaze, surely folks wouldn’t be surprised about his fall, but by all accounts, it seems out of character.
  
  I note RNZ and the Media have put up Mental Health “experts” who seem to be of the opinion that Falloon and Collins / National have used “Mental Health ” as a smokescreen
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018756144/midweek-mediawatch-anger-over-mp-s-mental-health-smokescreen
  
  These “experts” don’t seem to have much experience of the various manifestations that mental collapse can take in different people.
  
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