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Paulus Gnome

Am I beginning to become a little paranoid?

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July 26, 2020 8:02am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Leibniz invented calculus. Sounds like a Nazi to me.
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:32am
- Loddenthinks
  
  You’re not paranoid if they really are out to get you.
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:52am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    …and they’re closing in…
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:26am
- Crisplion
  
  Another instance of satire imitating life:
  
  https://www.hoover.org/research/seattle-schools-propose-teach-math-education-racist-will-california-be-far-behindseattle
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:57am
  - Inandout
    
    Crisplion, Seattle has gone completely balmy and this is TDS carried to the extreme when the Mayor would rather crusade than care for the citizens.
    
    ‘SEATTLE – Police said no arrests were made after a group of roughly 150 people looted, vandalized and set fires to numerous businesses in Seattle Wednesday night.
    
    According to Seattle Police, the group gathered at Cal Anderson Park about 9 p.m. before they “roamed about the Capital Hill neighborhood, doing massive amounts of property damage, looting, shooting fireworks, and committing arson.”
    
    Businesses are fleeing Seattle, and can you blame them? Mind you Seattle has been crime ridden for years.
    
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    July 26, 2020 11:58am
  - Ruawai
    
    Maths tests in western countries can’t be racist as Chinese children often do really well in these tests.
    
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    July 26, 2020 2:11pm
Nostradamus

Two people who have been conspicuously quiet this election (so far):
– Kim Dotcom
– Nicky Hager

I wonder if they’re up to something!
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July 26, 2020 8:07am
- Chris R
  
  Nostradamus:My response to them both is “Yawn.”
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:10am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I, for one, am enjoying their level of particpation.
  
  Apparently, due to Covid, the shipment of crayons and glitter that were to accompany Hagars latest ‘masterpiece’, failed to arrive . . .
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:25am
  - igm
    
    He will be surely doing a hit job on Judith and Gerry . . . it is in his vile and gutless DNA.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:30am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      One would think that Hagar would have learned from the hit piece that he had prepared on Bridges, that the word Bridges can be changed by ‘find all’ rather than going through manually and changing Bridges name to Muller.
      
      Imagine his horror, when 99% of the change of name has been effected in his novella, when Collins rolls into the the Number one seat!
      
      Back to square one with changing the name, made more difficult when the draft is damp with dripped bile. Thank goodness for the double spacing that Hagar uses to ensure that the novella achieves the magic 100 pages allowing for lots of draft reworks!
      
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      July 26, 2020 9:39am
- G152
  
  I’d imagine they’re keeping their heads down owing to their mates being aver sly affected by their presence.
  And isn’t it time the obese German was on his way to the USA ???????
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:29am
  - MCos
    
    Maybe Dotcom isn’t allowed to go to America due to being an alien.
    Americans probably aren’t allowed to come here to pick him up anyway.
    
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    July 26, 2020 8:41am
    - igm
      
      “Maybe” Labour is in need of sizeable donations . . . just a thought!
      
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      July 26, 2020 9:42am
      - sooty
        
        Why not the CIA was in town the other day!
        Fly private jet!
        
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        July 26, 2020 10:18am
  - AC
    
    Still waiting for judgement from the Supreme Court. The case was heard in June 2019. Obviously a lot to think about.
    Assuming the judgment upholds the Court of Appeal decision then its up to Minister of Justice to sign off. I think that can also be appealed or subject to a judicial review. So maybe by 2025 ?.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:17am
    - septic skeptic
      
      In January it will be nine long years since the raid. It makes the justice system look ridiculous at best, corrupt at worst. FFS, it’s only extradition – not even a trial.
      
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      July 26, 2020 10:22am
- Nookin
  
  I have heard, Nostradamus, from very secret sources, that mister Dotcom is keeping a very low profile at the moment. Some months ago, a former Minister of the crown, wistfully thinking that he was signing a valentine card and not really concentrating on the documentation in front of him, signed out for ff on the German gentleman’s New Zealand citizenship application.
  Hager, sadly, is a basket case. For 30 months he has been compiling, From dubious sources, a dossier of emails to and from one Simon Bridges. His expose was complete and its release imminent when, all of a sudden, it was out of date. Two and a half years of his life wasted. Frantically, he discarded the Bridges dossier and compiled a Muller dossier. Day and night he worked. He was about to announce that Todd was unlikely to last the distance when “boom”, the rug was pulled out from under him.
  So, onto Judith. It was then that he realised that, for fear that the police might be interested in finding the source of his information, that he had disposed of the entire Collins dossier thinking that it had served it’s purpose. He is believed to be a gibbering wreck and is seriously being considered as a candidate for the Green party.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:25am
  - Chris R
    
    Only 2.5 years of his life wasted. I suggest all of his life has been a waste both to himself and anyone crazy enough to publish the acidic little prick.
    
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    July 26, 2020 12:19pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Could we have not at least swapped Dotcom for Boochani? Some how we lost 2-0 on that exchange.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:32am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Wait for something nasty to come out. The election fever has not started yet.
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:51am
The Proper Ghandi

Good morning Kiwibloggers,

Something, something Cindy. Yadda yadda NZ First voters. That is to say, ACT draining off the disillusioned centre-right swing vote etc, etc. How about those crazy Greens? Roll on September!

Discuss.
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July 26, 2020 8:15am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Less disillusioned, more thank goodness, finally a party of sensible policy for social liberals, fiscal conservatives that isn’t beholden to the sky pixie.
  
  As weve had amply demonstrated by national this last few months, their morality and ability is, shall we say, compromised.
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:35am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I still have some hopes for National now that the leader is exactly that : social liberal, financially conservative. But I admit the Falloon fiasco dampened my hopes.
    
    Act has a lot to offer in fighting for free speech. I’ll have to decide who will get my party vote.
    
    So far I think Judith Collins has done everything right and not backed down to the crazy woke.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:14am
- oldpark
  
  @T P G 8.15 am
  Yes that pack of Far Left Supremist Lunatic Greens who Recently sold out their Principles of protecting NZs Human Rights and Civil Liberties and even against the Pleadings of NZs woke Human Rights Commissioner. They voted alongside “Be Kind” Commie/Socialist Ardern and Judas Peters Party to allow Police to charge into the private residences of NZs without a Warrant .
  Yet alongside the mentioned Hypocrite mentioned ratbag parties with the type of assault on NZs Human Rights and Civil Liberties they are begging for “Three More Years” now that they have gotten away with that type of dictatorship ,they want to finish the job and make NZ the “Socialist Republic of the South Pacific”.
  Don’t think that can happen, think again . the recent unilateral decisions using Coronavirus as an excuse proves with enough fear by Commie Ardern and Col threatening NZs with another possible mind blowing Lockdown with compliance or else .
  Imagine that type of threat from a Peters selected PM . Wonder what the fuck her Velvet Glove and Honey “Be Kind” words hiding behind an iron mailed fist will reveal if she gets Selected by voters. . Make Labour/Greens/ NZ First the Government on General Election on 19 09 2020 and find out . That would be a disaster . A lot worse than the Lockdown over the next Three Years, nightmares personified.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I have always said this bro. There are enough unwashed dope smoking hippies in this land to lift Greens above 5% threshold. So don’t hold your hopes high.
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:52am
JB

Important Jacinda update: the family is back at Premier House and Clark is helpfully closing the door (out of view). You only have to watch the first min to catch up on the first family.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2695681177369929
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July 26, 2020 8:17am
- Durden
  
  Apparently they turned up at Newtown markets to support Labour/Paul Eagle’s campaign yesterday. With handbag and baby. One of the people who saw the fisherman commented that he is quite a short-ass and very average looking.
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:49am
- oldfella
  
  [Deleted and banned for a month. Mod.]
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/07/for_the_avoidance_of_doubt.html
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:43am
- Lizziep
  
  She is looking so thin and dreadful is she healthy? She needs to understand there is more to life than politics, she has a child and needs to be there for her if not for her own well being.
  
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  July 26, 2020 11:16am
  - IC5000
    
    These are stressful times which will not pass quickly. It’s not like both parents are working like so many in NZ just to keep food on the table.
    
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    July 26, 2020 5:18pm
- Ruawai
  
  Maybe on the way out the door.
  
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  July 26, 2020 2:15pm
Bobba Fret

I think this years election will be one of the dirtiest with many claims of dirty politics being thrown around.
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July 26, 2020 8:29am
- Benedict Yu
  
  This dirty politics is a stupid term. Invented by that fiction writer Hagar. P
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:36am
  - Two bob
    
    true that, “dirty politics” is just everyday politics with a catch phrase.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:04am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    The ‘dirty’ in “Dirty Politics” is rather redundant, I would have thought.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:25am
    - sooty
      
      But isn’t it exciting!
      
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      July 26, 2020 10:22am
- Two bob
  
  when an how can us voters play dirty too? I think this year calls for more then drawing a moustache on jacindas billboards.
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:37am
  - lifesgood
    
    Every time I see one of Labour’s billboards I have this burning urge to add;(our bowels ) to Let’s keep moving.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:07am
    - Souvlaki
      
      Yeah …lends itself to multiple quips below …..” backwards ” ” eat figson/ allbran/ golightly “etc. Let’s do this !
      
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      July 26, 2020 9:42am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Do we seriously think that seeing defacing on a party’s billboard is likely to make a previously undecided voter vote against that party? I should have thought most fair minded people would think that the defacing reflects badly on the defacer and well on the defacee.
    
    Let’s please be better than that
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:16am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      People are just joking here. We’re not pond scum who cut up other parties’ boards!
      
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      July 26, 2020 10:17am
      - Paulus
        
        In the part of Tauranga (where Simon lives) the only boards defaced are of course National.
        
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        July 26, 2020 1:29pm
    - Two bob
      
      obviously my past was made in jest.
      
      if I were to do something it would have to be good enough to go viral or make headlines and a billboard wouldnt do that. if its not guna be seen by anymore then a few locals then why bother.
      
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      July 26, 2020 11:17am
    - lifesgood
      
      Don’t be silly, Albert Ross. I would never do it but the thought of what could be has crossed my mind…as I’m sure it has others.
      
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      July 26, 2020 1:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Just keep repeating her lies until people realise exactly what they are voting for.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:34am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Make sure everyone who might be swayed sees the video of her talking to ‘comrades’ and singing the internationale. The iron fist is right there: hard core socialism.
      
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      July 26, 2020 10:20am
- Tricati
  
  I agree – The left have got away with it in the past (Hager et al), now National has a leader that won’t stand for it and is pushing back. It will be tit for tat which is a shame as policy analysis will be overlooked. In saying that, what Labour policy have we seen to analyze, or are they so confident in their polls they feel they don’t have to release policy..
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:37am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Maybe it’s not confidence in their polls, but a lack of confidence in their policies. Their last policies didn’t work out so well for them – Kiwibuild, tram down Dominion Road, planting trees, more police, ending homelessness, reducing child poverty….
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:26am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Transformational government”, “open and transparent”, “kind”…..
      
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      July 26, 2020 9:35am
    - septic skeptic
      
      …tax reform, reducing immigration,…taking a 20% covid pay cut…
      
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      July 26, 2020 10:47am
- peterwn
  
  Iain’s departure is being denounced as dirty politics. I actually agree he copped it excessively hard assuming the ‘sin’ was mere ‘bonking’. However Jacinda did set the moral high ground and ‘rules’ when responding to Andrew Falloon’s departure, so Judith Collins merely saw to it that Jacinda followed the ‘rules’ that Jacinda had previously set. Although Iain’s departure seemed ‘unjust’ I cannot see that it is ‘dirty politics’. Seeing what level of acceptance there is with Trevor Mallard’s code of conduct is going to be interesting.
  
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  July 26, 2020 8:38am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Lees-Galloway has no one to blame for his sacking but himself. As an Australian radio bloke said on Hosking’s show on Friday morning, “He was thinking with the little head, not the big one”.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:03am
    - David Garrett
      
      Tony S: He’s been thinking with the little head for years…at least as far back as my time.
      
      If Mrs L-G hasn’t ever seen the city of light I’d say his marriage is toast also.
      
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      July 26, 2020 9:07am
  - Durden
    
    “copped it excessively hard “.
    
    More to come out still ?
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:05am
    - pdm
      
      Is the word `hard’ is being used in the correct context here?
      
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      July 26, 2020 9:43am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Let’s not be too rigid in our thinking…
        
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        July 26, 2020 10:31am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      I think the proverbial fat lady has not reached the last notes unless and until the taxpayer finds out what tax monies were used to fund and support the regular sheathing of his pork sword in, uh, porkbarrel politics (oops that metaphor drifted off target) and also whether she was a junior when he was already high up (the political / organizational food chain – why, what were you thinking?) and so there was the proverbial MeToo power imbalance in, um, play.
      
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      July 26, 2020 10:30am
  - lifesgood
    
    It’s not just bonking. It has been suggested he spent money he shouldn’t have on his lover, although that is yet to be confirmed. I am sure Jacinda knows way more than she’s letting on and wanted rid of him to try and divert the real truth from coming out. Serves the idiot right.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:11am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Jacinda is also deflecting with the review of expenses. ILG did spend our money which adds to the dismissal, or he didn’t but Jacinda was decisive to order the spending review.
      
      Peeps look over there, while we cover up over here and stall for 8 weeks.
      
      There is one problem though…. The original complainant still has the email sent to Jacinda. That can be sent farther afield at any time.
      
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      July 26, 2020 10:57am
    - Ruahine
      
      I bet Judith knows more than she is letting on. The bribed MSM will certainly know more than they are letting on.
      
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      July 26, 2020 11:55am
  - artemisia
    
    The ‘dirty politics’ is being said as Ms Collins revealing to the media that there was an issue with an MP. Her response was she answered a straight question with a straight answer.
    
    That is her style, there will be more of the same, regardless of push backs.
    
    Meantime, if experienced journalists ask questions they already know the answers to ……. Those are dots.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:16am
  - Chris R
    
    I disagree he deserved to be booted out. He is not solely a philanderer as he does his sly bonking on our paid time. Not only is he a sleaze he was arguably the most incompetent Minister of Immigration we’ve had and stood out as an idiot in cabinet well decked in idiocy. Good riddance…who is next? Jacinda obviously needs a new slogan: “Hard and Surly!”
    
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    July 26, 2020 12:25pm
- DeepBlue
  
  That is certainly the narrative in MSM -nasty Judith snookered lovely Jacinda and forced her hand.
  
  MSM saying there was nothing more than the affair and ILG has been wronged as the bar has changed.
  
  My problem is, I don’t believe that it was only the affair, there must have been more to the allegations. Otherwise Jacinda could have said -The complainant’s allegations did not stack up and this is just an attempt at Dirty Politics by the LotO. Jacinda didn’t say this because she couldn’t.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:41am
  - Ruawai
    
    The MSM need to realise it was Jacinda who sacked ILG not Judith, Judith didn’t make Jacinda do it.
    
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    July 26, 2020 2:23pm
- Nutta
  
  Labour will want a personality and scandal election campaign.
  
  Otherwise they’d need to have a public conversation about previous promises, results, and future policy.
  
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  July 26, 2020 2:18pm
hullkiwi

Morning all. Yesterday, DPF posted about the Dumb and Dumber Coalition, but Maggy W spotted and posted about what I believe to be the ultimate dumb and dumber.

Yesterday, the Greens showed themselves to be the ultimate dumb and dumber. Never in the annals of political slogans do I recall a party admitting they are failures and telling voters to vote for their arch opponents.

Yes, thecGreens slogan is:

“Think ahead. Act now”.

With this, David Seymour be laughing all the way to polling day.

Or is it a smart trick by the Greens to pass all their election promotion spending on to Act to declare in their election returns?
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July 26, 2020 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  She also pointed out the story , since buried, that nurses are moonlighting between hospitals and quarantine facilities.
  But the Media Party’s big Covid revelation was Bloomfield scoring a try.
  
  We’re being played, bigly.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:06am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    You have long way to go to catch Victoria.
    You need to give your security contracts to a mate thats licence has expired then he sub contracts its to his mates, who advertise for staff on whats app and give them no training.
    It is rumoured Bonk Boy drove uber at the same time.
    When it started to take hold, the invected government meat inspector visits numerous abbatoirs.
    My estimate is 10 deaths per nursing home, so we will be close to 500 and more nursing homes join list daily.
    Dandemic is looking like he is pushing shit uphill with a toothpick at this stage.
    you couldn’t make this shit up.
    Nurses going to multiple sites has proved fatal for Victoria and they still haven’t shut it down.
    
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    July 26, 2020 12:55pm
Benedict Yu

Happy 40th ? birthday Jacinda. Now I just need to avoid all nauseating ? media stories about it.
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July 26, 2020 8:33am
- Two bob
  
  I hope judith has a nice gift in the form of a labour scandal to present to her this week
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:07am
  - peterwn
    
    Wonder if Paula will send Jacinda some pretty flowers?
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Gorse
      
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      July 26, 2020 10:44am
    - Two bob
      
      Cindy will pass them on to a labour youth camp… to get deflowered.
      
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      July 26, 2020 11:12am
      - Nickc2
        
        With a bouquet of stinging nettles.
        
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        July 26, 2020 12:01pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Some (zip it) Sweet peas?
      
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      July 26, 2020 12:21pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  I haven’t found any mention of it, nauseating or otherwise, on the websites of Stuff, the Herald, Newshub or 1 News.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:44am
  - BeaB
    
    Really? You didn’t read Simon Wilson’s creepy drooling? 40 birthday wishes. Sick making.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:08am
  - Hollyfield
    
    There was an article on the Herald yesterday – interestingly it was a “premium” article.
    dc:dr (don’t care, didn’t read)
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:11am
Paulus

Can it be confirmed that we, the Taxpayers, are paying all the expenses and costs of the overseas families coming to New Zealand for the Australian Tarrant (who shall not be named) sentencing.
This I understand will take three days.
I assume he will not be present but on TV ?
Now I understand that whilst two persons are to be paid for larger families will be coming from all parts.
They will be quarantined of course – and paid for by us along with their special dietary and other requirements.
I thought we are running out of five star hotels for quarantine.
What colour head scarf will Cindy wear this time as no doubt she will attend daily with special receptions as necessary.
Why the bugger could not have done this deed in Australia and not New Zealand.
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July 26, 2020 8:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I would be very surprised indeed if Ardern turned up at court for Tarrant’s sentencing.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:04am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Correct Tony, it would not be a vote grabber.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:09am
    - sooty
      
      But she will have a meeting with the saviours, with media in attendance and photos of rag on head!
      
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      July 26, 2020 10:28am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I can confirm that each victim of the attack is entitled to have the government pay transport costs for two relatives or support people from anywhere in the world. This includes the next of kin in New Zealand of each of the 51 murder plus any of the injured who are still in New Zealand. If any of the 40 injured are now overseas they are paid also to come to Christchurch if they wish.
  
  You are incorrect about Tarrant. He will be in Christchurch in person.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:35am
  - Two bob
    
    disgusting that we fork out to have them attend, video link is more then satisfactory, what happened to the millions raised why cant that pay their costs?
    
    do normal kiwi victims get special treatment? Did grace milanes family get the same treatment? If not then they can piss off back to their mud shacks in the middle east.
    
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    July 26, 2020 11:11am
    - EssenX
      
      I am confident that Millane’s parents would have had their costs borne by Victim Support or similar. And yes, “normal kiwi victims” presumably get “special treatment” too. While one may have legitimate concerns about whether there is a bureaucratic kowtowing to Muslim preferences, the tone of your comments is in poor taste and could (or shall I say, will) be misrepresented as raaacism. Unless, of course, the victims of Tarrant are being support that is, in fact, above and beyond what is normally offered. Does anyone have any proof of that?
      
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      July 26, 2020 12:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  One way or another, the NZ taxpayer will pay for this.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:39am
- peterwn
  
  A Judge has previously ruled that a prisoner for sentence must be physically present given the significance of that case (the prisoner wanted a AV appearance). So it is pretty certain he will be brought down from Auckland for the sentencing despite the expense and security risks. And no ear plugs.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:41am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Not really a security risk. Bundled into an unmarked van in shackles. Six experienced guards. A couple of armed police riding along in the very unlikely event of a raid on the van. On to Whenuapai. Military plane to Christchurch. Repeat on trip to airport. Don’t know where he will be kept overnight in Christchurch but I am sure they have it hand.
    
    In summary he is not escaping and nobody is getting to him. There will be no New Zealand version of Jack Ruby.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:26am
  - sooty
    
    Bet he is in handcuffs, so he can’t put his fingers in his ears!
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:30am
- MCos
  
  His guilty plea and giving his lawyers the flick has probably saved the taxpayer far more than whatever is being spent bringing relatives to his sentencing.
  
  Is it usual practice for relatives to have their travel expenses paid for when coming from overseas to attend murder trials; for example the relatives of Grace Millane?
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:02am
  - Tall Man
    
    In excess of 150 people many from overseas plus quarantine then accommodation will run into multiple millions.
    
    Nice to see you so free with other people’s money.
    
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    July 26, 2020 12:25pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    MCos: No it is not usual practice.
    
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    July 26, 2020 2:29pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Because Tarrant knew the Aussie leadership would not have given him exactly the overreaction he wanted and got from the COL.
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:32am
Simon

The Real Russian Swindle

Evidence dribbling out now indicates “Trump Russian Collusion” was a politically designed & media propelled fabrication. Relentlessly pushed & fake, it interfered with voter opinion, likely delivering the House to Democrats in the 2018 midterms.

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1286625544604463104

The manipulation is interesting. Most people around KB know about and understand MSM & political manipulation. But the fake Russian collusion was so out in the open – but it worked.

If you did a poll in NZ as to how many people think Trump colluded with the Russian government to rig the 2016 election the number would probably be in the low 30s.

There are even morons here on KB who are Russian truthers to this day.
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July 26, 2020 8:48am
- BeeJay
  
  What a load of bollocks! A typical response by someone using a source that’s supports their nonsense argument! Rasmussen Reports is not highly regarded, has a strong Republican bias, with their accuracy often in question. You insult Kiwis if you think that a poll among them about Trump’s collusion with Russia would “probably be in the low 30s”! Most of the people we know, here and overseas, believe that Trump would collude with anyone if it suits his agenda, and think Trump is a moron!
  And you can insult KB bloggers who are Anti Trump as much as you like, but it doesn’t change the truth!
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:24am
  - Simon
    
    Too easy.
    
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    July 26, 2020 11:37am
[email protected]

Stuff must’ve getting more desperate for income. It used to be that you got subjected to10 second ads when you clicked on a video.

These days you often have to sit through a 30 second ad before the video plays.

When a 30 second ad appears I immediately hit the back button.
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July 26, 2020 8:48am
- Tall Man
  
  Ad Blocker.
  
  Better yet, don’t go there.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:40am
- Paulus
  
  Havn’t Stuff been promised a rosy future but only if Labour get in.
  Otherwise the $1 is about the right price.
  
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  July 26, 2020 11:07am
Yvette

Election 2020: Greens launch campaign, urge Kiwis to ‘think ahead, act now’

’ACT now’ ?
Someone is not thinking ahead – they are not thinking at all
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July 26, 2020 8:49am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is also absurd. If somehow the Greens could implement all their policies the country would be destroyed.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:39am
  - Yvette
    
    Benedict, perhaps ACT Leader David Seymour should suggest suing the Greens for misrepresentation.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:47am
    - Nutta
      
      Wait until all their signs are printed and up. Timing is everything.
      
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      July 26, 2020 2:25pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Benedict, has National been pointing this out? How many Aucklanders would have to pay that ‘wealth tax’ simply for owning a shack in Auckland and trying to save for retirement? How many elderly people would suddenly have a huge tax burden because they were hardworking and frugal and bothered to save a bit?
    
    How denying yourself some pleasures earlier in life to save for retirement would no longer make sense because of the ‘wealth tax’.
    
    Quite a few daft people who think they are helping the environment by voting green might reconsider.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:42am
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree, this whole Green agenda and its outcome needs to be constantly repeated to the Latte, Bridge, Croquet and Bowels clubs of Remuera and in like suburbs and clubs throughout NZ. These old dears whilst being well intentioned in their own minds, fail to realise the impact of their votes on other NZers and themselves for that matter. In other words, everything they have worked for throughout their lives will be taken off them and distributed to others whom the Greens deem less fortunate.
      
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      July 26, 2020 11:50am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Bowels clubs?
        Is that where we go for our ‘let’s keep moving’ instructions?
        
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        July 26, 2020 1:59pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Captain Mainwaring @ 1:59 PM
        Sorry Captain, should read Bowls or Lawn Bowls to be more precise.
        
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        July 26, 2020 2:18pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        But Winston will stop the Greens look how well he has done so this term. And isn’t Jacinda just lovely,
        
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        July 26, 2020 4:16pm
Happychappy

Well Damian Grant thinks it is disgraceful what Judith Collins did to Iain Lee’s Galloway but like most that write columns for the media does not look at the whole picture, even though Falloon deserves what he got and the party and Parliament are better for it, Jacinda Ardern wanted to score political points by opening the wound and Judith Collins followed up played the game that Jacinda Ardern didn’t want and trapped her in no mans land where she was forced into the decision she made. So let ask the question what if it had been the other way round and Judith had given Jacinda the same note that Judith had recieved from the PM and Jacinda did what the National Leader done , I think if all people could be honest which I doubt very much the media and the public would be praising their darling Princess for putting Judith Collins in her place as the way they idolize her she could commit murder and the media would find a way to say she didn’t commit the crime.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/122222331/ministerial-takedown-offers-a-glimpse-into-a-judith-collins-premiership
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July 26, 2020 8:49am
- Tony Stuart
  
  If Lees-Galloway hadn’t been unfaithful to his wife, this wouldn’t be an issue. The blame for his predicament lies entirely with ILG himself.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:06am
  - Tall Man
    
    Exactly like “what’s in it for wynston” asking to be elected to contain the greens and labour. Remove him and there is no coalition.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:43am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Yes. And if a man cannot keep his promises to his wife / mother of his children, then he cannot be trusted at even a Stop-Go station on SH 99.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:33am
  - Paulus
    
    Assuming that this was his only affair over many years in Parliament.
    The Press Gallery could tell more but it could affect them too.
    
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    July 26, 2020 11:09am
    - Ruahine
      
      The press gallery is largely a swamp.
      
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      July 26, 2020 12:00pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    What sort of ‘bloke’ spills the beans on someone else’s affair? A jelly witch?
    What happened to Kiwis that minded their own business – oh that’s right they didn’t join the interthingy or politics and bitch all day, instead played bowls and had stoushes outside the town hall on odd ocassions.
    Shows WW2 vets were liberal afterall, or at least adeherents to minding their own business and not gossiping over the fence like sweet old dears talking recipes and in hushed tones begin a sentence…’have you heard.., they’re not married and they have baths together.’
    Though I think maybe the robster once objected when the participants were of the same sex in a time when prudes and prunes did not always mix. That might be understandable for an ex army man who needed to trust who was behind him when climbing in the battlefields at Trieste. Who could he have trusted today?
    
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    July 26, 2020 11:35am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You shouldn’t get sacked for cheating on your wife. It’s also pretty marginal to sack a Minister, even of Workplace Relations, for having what appears to be a quite consensual affair with a staffer or former staffer.
    
    There’s undoubtedly more to this story, and I really hope it comes out soon.
    
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    July 26, 2020 12:30pm
    - Nutta
      
      It took Cindy weeks to remove a minister that had engages in pugilism with a staffer.
      
      ILG was gone before lunchtime for something that is not illegal an at worst shows exceedingly or judgement.
      
      The real reason will be interesting when it emerges.
      
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      July 26, 2020 2:29pm
- JibberJabber
  
  All these opinion writers seem to ignore the fact that ILG should have been sacked for sheer F**king incompetence 2 1/2 years ago.
  But then if that was a sacking criterion, there would be no one left in Govt.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:17am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It wasn’t incompetence, he did what he was told to do.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:46am
    - Ruahine
      
      That is why he lasted as a Minister so long. Faithfully following orders but ballsed it up thereby embarrassing Ardern and her friend.
      She saw her chance to get rid of him and look righteous in the eyes of all those matroney types and all those who have been usurped by a newer version which may be which is what has happened to the hapless Lees-Galloway.
      
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      July 26, 2020 12:08pm
- Surely Knott
  
  It has been reported that many people in Wellington knew. How humiliating for his wife and children who could suffer genuine measurable harm (divorce, financial, health STDs etc). While he is welcome to have an affair. Why do his coworkers, the media or the public have to be complicit in the lies and secrecy especially if he is using his work trips to co-ordinate those affairs? With both Jami Lee Ross and ILG it seems that they live double lives for years and the media thinks its their moral duty to help keep it quiet.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:50am
  - Tall Man
    
    And the diplomatice polic squad.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:05am
    - Steve Todd
      
      C’mon, Tall Man, that’s quite unfair.
      
      The job of the Diplomatic Protection Squad (DPS) is to protect our senior politicians (and VIPs), not to spread (or report) gossip about private (non-law-contravening) matters that they become privy to as a result of doing their job. Were that not the case, the relationship between the two would break down completely.
      
      Having said that, I’m going to assume your comment is an oblique, and snide, reference to the fact that Jessica Mutch-McKay is married to a DPS officer. If my assumption is correct, so what? What is your point?
      
      Are you suggesting that Jessica questions the prime minister about / makes public, “juicy goss” that she may, or may not, have obtained via “pillow talk”? If so, where do you think all that would end?
      
      Perhaps you could expand on your comment further.
      
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      July 26, 2020 12:43pm
  - Inandout
    
    SK, I was told last February. This is nothing though compared to his drug dealer issues in immigration.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:21am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Maybe now that he has nothing to lose now the truth will come out about that one.
      
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      July 26, 2020 2:02pm
- BeaB
  
  I am astonished that Damien Grant believes humans are ‘hardwired’ to commit adultery.
  All you good old faithful types out there battling your true natures.
  In his view ILG was merely following his human instincts.
  That aside, if Jacinda had wanted or make the case it was his private business she could have done so and the country would have accepted it. The suspicion is that there is more to this story and I hope we hear it.
  It’s very odd to me that he would do official trips overseas and charge nothing to his credit card.
  Why has no-one asked the woman what happened?
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:16am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Has anyone checked her staff credit card?
    
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    July 26, 2020 4:21pm
dog_eat_dog

So I see Kiwis living overseas are trying to co-opt themselves onto the ‘team of five million’ with a ‘team of six million’ petition – in response to being asked to contribute towards the costs of their own quarantines.
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July 26, 2020 8:52am
- Nickc2
  
  Lock em up till they repay their student loans and isolation costs.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:35am
  - dog_eat_dog
    
    You don’t have to entirely repay your student loan to leave the country. You just have to make the minimum repayments. That is an enforcement issue, but ‘having a loan balance’ isn’t.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:48am
    - Nickc2
      
      When I’m king, I’m going to change the rules.
      
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      July 26, 2020 10:04am
  - IC5000
    
    Doesn’t it cost over 30k a year to imprison someone? Obviously while they are in custody doesn’t that preclude any employment?
    
    Clearly you havnt thought this through.
    
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    July 26, 2020 5:35pm
- Tricati
  
  Bloody whingers – Happy to stay overseas and enjoy their income, but when it gets a bit unpleasant health wise, they want to run home.
  Try telling that its unfair to a displaced worker from The Warehouse, who couldn’t work during lock-down as Cindy said they weren’t an essential service; and to top it off Cindy increased the minimum wage just to show The Warehouse a lesson. If there was ever an illustration of (un) intended consequences, the Warehouse debacle is a classic.
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:20am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I’ll agree it’s fair for returning Kiwis to pay for their incarcerations when actual murdering, raping and thieving already-here criminals pay for the cost of theirs…
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:35am
Paulus Gnome

And those protesting the loudest, are most likely the the most active proponents . . .
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July 26, 2020 8:59am
Bobba Fret

I see the latest people to escape isolation are now blaming the system……they were about to be given an exemption to go see the body but obviously couldn’t wait. I hope they are fined or the adult gets jail time.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12350972
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July 26, 2020 9:02am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Never happen – the Maori Wardens are on the case and the Iwi Free Pass is in play.
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    Geez, that really pisses me off. We will never have racial equality in NZ until all this Maori pandering is terminated once and for all and it becomes a criminal act to do so (pandering to Maori’s that is).
    
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    July 26, 2020 11:40am
    - Ruahine
      
      Ther does certainly seem to be a lot of Maori pandering around. I just wish that this Maori could get some.
      
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      July 26, 2020 12:39pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Go for a medical degree, Ruahine. But you’ll never know whether they accept you because you’re smart or just as tokenism…
        
        What do you really think of different rules for different races?
        
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        July 26, 2020 12:59pm
      - Nickc2
        
        You probably joined the wrong queue Ruahine. Perhaps your tribe is too quiet or you are not radical enough. Go and see John Tamahere for some tips. As a last resort, go see that Newton Sheila.
        
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        July 26, 2020 2:09pm
Durden

So for some reason the media has decided to go sympathetic on the family of five absconders from Hamilton quarantine. They are not heroes or anything special compared to the others who got out and were vilified–they are simply selfish idiots who were willing to put the community and country at risk. And gobby to go with it.

The difference in the ‘compassion’ narrative between what is written about these people and the two Lower Hutt women is stark and sickening. The media must share the blame if any of the early releases on compassionate grounds, that they keep harping on, are found to have re-introduced community transmission.

The incident also shows that even with our Police and Armed forces working together, the Andy and Digby show, they have been tits at maintaining quarantine. No amount of sanctimonious finger wagging and excuses from Humpty will excuse that.

You want media bias even in non-political issues — here is a good example.

I hope the judge goes hard and early on them.
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July 26, 2020 9:03am
- Two bob
  
  I and many others would have done the same if it was the last chance to see your father.
  
  I call utter bullshit that the were just about to be granted an exemption. clearly they were desperate and had exhausted their options.
  the govt incompency and snail pace is to blame and while I dont condone what they done it is easy to understand why they did so. had they just been an average brown family wanting to go to a bottle store then yea throw the book at them.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:15am
  - KH
    
    Wrong Two bob.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:51am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Skype. Zoom etc.
    
    Lots of options for participating in the funeral at a distance. Done by many of us when an overseas relative dies.
    
    All funeral homes these days will be set up to enable this.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:52am
    - DeepBlue
      
      I think the official response was going to be a ‘no’ to the actual funeral, but a ‘yes’ to a private viewing the night before. So they took it into their own hands to try and achieve both.
      
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      July 26, 2020 4:25pm
  - Durden
    
    Where is the consistency in treatment ? Where is the openness on publicising the decisions made so that people can scrutinise the government actions?
    
    Both the government and the press are playing the game.
    
    I am sure there have a number of similar cases that could have done with compassion. E.g. don’t know exactly what the outcome was for relatives of the slain policeman who were coming from Australia.
    
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    July 26, 2020 12:33pm
  - lifesgood
    
    How come a mother and her three kids were overseas when the father died? There’s more to this I think.
    
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    July 26, 2020 1:45pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      Not necessarily. The mother could have been separated from the father but still have had an amicable relationship with him. Or she could have wanted to support her 4 children as they grieved their father and attended the funeral.
      
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      July 26, 2020 4:28pm
- Clyde
  
  And I hope that the Police will get off their chuffs and charge those members of this family who had arranged to take the absconders to Auckland. Quite plain that these bros were accessories before the fact which is a chargeable offence. But they won’t of course because they will claim that it was colonisation that drove them to do it – and they don’t give a flying f**k anyway. Just need to look at the TV One news interview with them to see what is obvious.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:17am
  - KH
    
    Downtick by mistake. Sorry.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:49am
- godruelf
  
  It is interesting that they don’t appear to have been named in court yesterday unlike a couple of other recent cases.
  I wonder how the Australian Border Authorities view charges or convictions for breaking isolation conditions in respect to the good character requirements for re entry to Australia. They may be here longer than they thought.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:23am
  - DeepBlue
    
    The Police had Maori Wardens involved in the liaison.
    
    The mother said she didn’t want to do wrong as she had sorted herself out in Australia.
    
    Would she even be eligible for Australian isolation now? I can’t see her being permitted to board a flight back to Australia.
    
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    July 26, 2020 9:49am
    - IC5000
      
      She lives in Brisbane so the whole family would be subject to the quarantine charge. Given that the family absconded Australian immigration may not even let then board the plane. They could of course challenge this decision but this also takes money.
      
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      July 26, 2020 5:39pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    They’re are not named as they have high levels of melanin. That’s one of the prime Media Rules.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:37am
KevO'Brien

A comparison of data from Europe over more than 1,000 years. Extraordinary and insightful.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/24/ancient-temperatures/
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July 26, 2020 9:06am
- Two bob
  
  facts dont care about gretas fellings.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:19am
- Oskar
  
  In the same vein here is a piece from the Daily Mail that said the Roman Empire coincided with the warmest period in the last 2,000 years and the Mediterranean Sea was 3.60 warmer then.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8555871/Mediterranean-Sea-3-6-F-hotter-Roman-Empire-study-claims.html
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:28am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Play school TV1 has Jack Tame interviewing himself again. Hey Jack, STFU and let them answer
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July 26, 2020 9:07am
JibberJabber

Heh, Tax is Love, like Pedophile is a sexuality, eh Marama?
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July 26, 2020 9:15am
- Nickc2
  
  Am I missing something here JibberJabber? What is this Marama stuff you speak of?
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    A useless pile of recycled sewage I think.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:03am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Just the line a lot of the Left are currently pushing.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:32am
hullkiwi

Then from yesterday’s Green conference was another statement along the lines of treating the electorate with contempt.

It was Davison telling the media, that Greens have achieved so much while in government. So, it is a case of mummy, errrrrh… like what?

Like….
The meaningless and expensive Carbon Neutral Act…..;
The we want to legalise dope referendum… ;
Screwing up the building of highways in the Wellington region, BoP and Auckland regions;
Giving bad dietary advice to DHB dietitians.

What a resume of achievement not
That folks is it … anything the CoL has done, has been Liebore and NZF.

That is why the Greens future negotiating terms with Labour are all policies they have had to eat dead rats on. And even worse they are policies they could have negotiated with National!

As Forest Gump said, “stupid is as stupid does.”
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July 26, 2020 9:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Zero Carbon target will mostly be achieved by the government paying carbon credits to people converting productive farms to pine forests.
  
  So as a country we are committing economic suicide by destroying productive plans for zero, yes zero benefits. Actually global emissions will rise as Brazil and the USA take up New Zealand’s market share in lost production.
  
  If Labour is returned I fully expect to see a full scale assault on private motor vehicles, especially if the Greens come back. That American woman with the bike hates cars for some weird ideology.
  
  As New Zealand suicides economically over climate change, the rest of the world will laugh. Except the UN who will award Cindy with a high paying job. She will fly away with family in tow for a 5 year stint as a kindness ambassador while New Zealand sinks under a mountain of debt and the Zero Carbon Act.
  
  And none of what I write here is hyperbolic.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:49am
Clyde

I see yet again, that professional rugby players and their hangers-on from the Highlanders running amok in a drunken escapade in a Queenstown apartment building. So much for pro rugby insisting on they have turned the culture around. Bollocks. When one of the primary skills required of pro rugby is to be able to run repeatedly at brick walls with your head while skulling jugs of beer, I suppose its not surprising. And of course no rugby board members or managers will comment – or act.
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July 26, 2020 9:22am
mark15

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122223019/coronavirus-police-predict-the-emergence-of-a-new-group-of-criminals-post-covid19

Really Stuff?
A covid19 symptom is to break the law?
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July 26, 2020 9:32am
lastmanstanding

It says everything about the appalling governance of Auckland City when the Mayor complains about the CEO of Watercares salary but cant do anything about it.

In the private sector that would be like the Chairman of the Board of the Holding Company not being able to do anything about the salary of the CEO of a Subsidiary Company.

Crazy. Time to scrap the so called Council Controlled Organisations ( an oxymoron run by morons) and make the Mayor and Councillors earn their fees by having to take control of these unnecessary parasitic units.
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July 26, 2020 9:44am
- DeepBlue
  
  Seven $100k staffers forming a committee could have done better than this CEO… And kept seven families housed and fed.
  
  But it will be seven staffers who lose their jobs to make savings at Watercare.
  
  It is people like this CEO that feed the Greens.
  
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  July 26, 2020 9:52am
  - MCos
    
    Regardless of the guy’s salary to ‘do better‘ would undoubtedly have involved a big rate/water charge hike.
    Good luck with getting that passed the complaining mayor.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:12am
- Maggie Pie
  
  It’s like my partner sez, why would you put someone in charge of the water supply to a country’s largest city, when they were born in a Bure and sh*t in a creek.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  July 26, 2020 10:07am
  - fernglas
    
    Sometimes, Maggie, your little asides just plain stink, and this is one of them.
    
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    July 26, 2020 10:50am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      😀
      
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      July 26, 2020 11:47am
      - sooty
        
        I love your little whits of wisdom, Maggie.
        If they give you too much shit, c’mon over to the otherside. You would be most welcome!
        
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        July 26, 2020 12:15pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Thanks for the offer Soots. Went there once until i bumped into Ali Mau at a Xmas function. Decided I’d never go back.
        
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        July 26, 2020 1:27pm
      - IC5000
        
        It’s not even her wisdom FFS it’s her partners.
        
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        July 26, 2020 5:41pm
  - EssenX
    
    I usually enjoy your comments Maggie and there are certainly legit concerns about the performance of the CEO, but I understand the CEO was previously CEO of an Australian water company and is a New Zealand qualified engineer, and is also a member of the NZ Institute of Directors. His competence or lack thereof shouldn’t be conflated with where he may be from (he may even be from NZ, I don’t know). The real question is why hasn’t his Board held him accountable to results? He’s been in the job long enough.
    
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    July 26, 2020 3:38pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      He is not NZ born. Despite being a member of the NZ IoD, in executing his role everytime he gives an interview he demonstrates how clueless he is. However, he is not the only Watercare or Auckland CCO executive who should fall on his sword. They all should, they are all as useless and as clueless as each other. Whether it be Watercare, Auvkland Transport, ATEED or Panuku.
      
      The problem starts with those who appoints these executives and the boards of the CCOs. It is the mayor and his colleague councillors where the Rot starts.
      
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      July 26, 2020 6:37pm
Wired-one

I watched Q&A this morning. The Greens are adamant that they think NZFirst are a detriment to this present government and would prefer to govern alone with Labour. Well James and Marama, if you are so principled, simply rule working with Winston out after this election? Oh not so principled now are we?
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July 26, 2020 10:15am
Yvette

Ihumātao
Newshub says The Prime Minister negotiated a temporary halt to construction at the site in July 2019 while a solution was sought – but a year has passed and nothing has been announced.
Judith Collins is probably more accurate – “This clumsy and incompetent Government claimed it would build more houses but there is still no sign of the 480 homes planned for Ihumātao a full year after the PM stopped the diggers in their tracks“
Whether it was indeed another intuitive Ardern Captain’s Call may become important when this whole mess goes to Court.

Meanwhile, why is discussion of a solution still linked to Housing, when Heritage New Zealand is the more obvious department that should be involved, as it does things like buy Kate Sheppard’s house for the nation. Plus, if it is determined to be a worthy heritage site, with a convenant that it never be developed as anything else, maybe the housing value that Auckland Council conferred on the land could revert to something more like the price Flectchers paid for it, plus their costs, including those due to Ardern’s interference.
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July 26, 2020 10:16am
- Classic Liberal
  
  No thanks, I’d rather not buy the land via taxes or rates. If the iwi want to buy it with their own money they should negotiate w Fletchers.
  
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  July 26, 2020 11:13am
  - Two bob
    
    great joke, when has iwi ever used their own $$$$ to the benefit of all their ppl or purchase non performing assets?
    Even iwi recognise its a money pit and would be a waste.
    
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    July 26, 2020 11:56am
    - sooty
      
      Not as though they are short of money!
      Oh, they are. Too many BMWs and expense accounts. Imagine if they had to pay tax like the rest of us!
      
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      July 26, 2020 12:11pm
Ruawai

Anyone else confused by the racism ads on TV at the moment? Are they trying to make people with pale skin sorry for having pale skin?
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July 26, 2020 10:37am
- Sofia
  
  Yes, Ruawai, I am totally confused.
  Surely an ad or promotion should convey a message rather than you spending its entire duration trying to decide what it even is?
  Probably knocked out by the same agency that does the traffic ads:
  the one on boorish driving, but no one is driving the car – what the hell? or
  the ad where one man says to the other ”It’s alright”, but which of them was in the wrong?
  
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  July 26, 2020 12:09pm
- Ruahine
  
  One of the best pieces of racism I think I have ever seen on Television any where.
  
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  July 26, 2020 12:47pm
Lance

I know we are all aware of how partisan Q+A is…..
But…
It reached new depths of wokeness today.
If a National party member is ever being interview the obnoxious little twerp Tame simply talks continually over the top of anything they have to say and never lets them finish.
Contrast that with today’s mockery of the airwaves, the Greens spout forth uninterrupted their delusion policies and the one time the drivel was going on and on and on too long, Tame politely says “sorry to interrupt” and kindly asks another patsy question.
He let them away with stating “tax is love” and other assorted crap.
Then later in the ‘panel’ discussion some airhead of a woman starts up with nonsense like “the business crowd always want less taxes but are the first to stick their hands up in this crisis” and NOBODY challenged her on it.
Serves me right for starting to watch that shit again, I hoped somehow it had improved.
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July 26, 2020 11:00am
- Gravelroad
  
  Have never understood the appeal of Jack Tame.
  The simpering schoolboy routine is overdone.
  Can only think that the advertisers must like him, but if I were one I would ask specifically for my advertising dollar not to be spent on any programme which features Tame.
  
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  July 26, 2020 1:24pm
Two bob

judith is cornering jacinda again and will likely force her to show her hand
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/ihumātao-deal-would-send-a-chill-down-the-spine-collins/ar-BB17bInj?li=BBqdg4K

jacinda can no longer run or obfusicate when judith is staying true to her word and taking the fight to her.
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July 26, 2020 11:01am
- Inandout
  
  Two, I thought that guy standing behind her was the puppeteer until I saw his camera. She bobs around like a Punch n Judy show.
  
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  July 26, 2020 11:48am
  - Two bob
    
    I didnt even watch it mate, The still frame had her head tilted so knew anything flowing from that mouth was utter bullshit.
    
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    July 26, 2020 12:06pm
  - sooty
    
    Not long till the final day in the house now!
    
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    July 26, 2020 12:09pm
- stigie
  
  It is a fucking disgrace, Fletcher’s shareholders must be spewing over this rabble holding them to ransom !~
  
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  July 26, 2020 12:59pm
Two bob

so nimby hasnt allowed many dams being built in the last few decades so our retarded CoL is now going to attempt to build more hydro lakes with pumped storage… may as well save the embarassment and just file it away with cgt kiwibuild and light rail.
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July 26, 2020 11:04am
- marcw
  
  What storage? As of last Tuesday, nominal lake storage was @ 52% – historical storage at this time is 67%.
  
  https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/security-supply/hydro-information
  
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  July 26, 2020 11:18am
  - Two bob
    
    theyre proposing pumped storage. so created or expand an existing lake above a water source and in periods of “cheap power” massive pumps elevate the water into storage lake then at times of low hydro lakes and high prices the water is released through turbines and profit is made.
    
    Theyre talking about building this for times of low hydro storage so it needs to be a significant size lake to have a half decent impact. I doubt the greens and nimby will let it happen and the retarded CoL will likely build it the opposite end of the country where the power is needed.
    
    very little hydro gen has been granted even in the rugged back country where only a handful of folk visit so doubt theyll get this pushed through anywhere in central NI or near jaffa land hell they cant even build a drinking water dam.
    
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    July 26, 2020 12:04pm
    - Jack5
      
      Here are some details about the suggested Lake Onslow pumped storage scheme for Central Otago. It would be huge – 14 times the size of the Snowy 2 scheme in Australia, and would entail drilling a 24 km rock tunnel.
      
      https://medium.com/land-buildings-identity-and-values/pumped-hydro-update-ec4538cbdb87
      
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      July 26, 2020 3:49pm
Inandout

Heard the $1.3 million ‘voice of racism’ ad today, slammed on any radio station, can’t escape it.
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July 26, 2020 11:45am
Jack5

Widely Woke zealots are steamrolling the advertising world.

A Red Radio feature by its We Oversee the Media Department today looks at diversity in advertising.

Probably to most of us, our TV advertising looks multicultural. You sometimes wonder whether the ASB is an ethnic bank, for example.

The key role of advertising, surely, is to deliver what the advertiser wants – customers, sales, familiarity, even aversion.

Do advertising agents no longer have any regard for what those who are paying for advertisements want? Or have the big advertisers typically delegated managing advertising to a sub-sub-committee of Woken cadets still in their early 20s?

Radio NZ’s media monitor, Colin Peacock, today in his report on diversity in NZ media, defines the role of advertising thus:

While the main job of ad agencies and communications companies is to persuade us to do the right thing in public education campaigns – or to buy certain things on behalf of advertisers – they also have to reflect the world we live in and its values.

Recently the Black Lives Matter movement prompted many industries – including the media – to re-examine their record on race and diversity – and whether they are part of the problem or the solution.

How many New Zealand business chiefs know the State opinion, or at least the State-radio opinion, is that a Black Lives Matter view is relevant to their firms’ advertising?

Peacock includes a link to his boss, Paul Thompson, talking about Radio NZ’s diversity policy. Perhaps a Kiwiblog entrepreneur will seize the opportunity of RNZ’s Maorification and publish the first Aotearoa New Zealand Pidgin Dictionary.

If you buy advertising, today’s RNZ article is worth reading.

You should be interested to know that the advertising industry and its agencies have a group called the Commercial Communications Council, which claims to cover 95 per cent of New Zealand advertising billings. In turn, the council has an “Inclusiveness & Diversity Group”.

The chair of this diversity group, Megan Clark-Cook, managing partner of Wunderman Thompson agency in Auckland, is quoted by Peacock as saying:

“We acknowledge that our industry isn’t as diverse as it needs to be.”

Six of the seven members of the council’s diversity group are women. There is not one white man on the group, though white males make up 30 to 35 per cent of the NZ population.

Perhaps there needs to be an advertising buyers’ group that makes sure that the folk paying the piper call the tune. What do you want for our advertising buck? Business results or Woke social engineering?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018756451/ad-industry-confronts-diversity-deficit
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July 26, 2020 12:10pm
- Ruahine
  
  The Media which includes Advertising is almost entirely financed by the taxpayer. The present gov’t controls most advertising companies due to the revenue said companies get from the Gov’t organisations. Our TV ads are riddled with woke propaganda.
  
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  July 26, 2020 12:55pm
  - Inandout
    
    Ruahine, and Fair Go seems to be almost all Maori introductions..tin o cocoa etc.
    
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    July 26, 2020 2:32pm
Benedict Yu

“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern was in New Plymouth on Thursday to launch Ara Ake (formerly known as the National New Energy Development Centre).”

So the Government destroys the gas industry and gives Taranaki “Are Ake”. I’m surprised Jacinda can set foot in Taranaki without promoting incandescent rage from the good folk who live there, especially when she shows up with this rubbish.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12350344
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July 26, 2020 12:19pm
Tony Stuart

So, Greg O’Connor, Labour’s MP for Ohariu, has been having a little bleat about his 10% pay cut this week. But wasn’t it supposed to be 20%?

Here’s my tweet to voters in Ohariu:

https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1286949514591363072

A couple of things; even with a 10% pay cut, Greg O’Connor is still earning twice as much as the average New Zealander. And how does he think all the the folks who have lost their jobs, or had their own incomes reduced feel about his bleat.

Lastly, the Warehouse announced a whole lot of job cuts and store closures earlier this week. One of the stores to be closed in in Johnsonville, right in the heart of Ohariu. I don’t think the people who work there will be feeling too kindly disposed towards their elected MP right now.

Of course, O’Connor has now deleted the Facebook post in question because he was getting an absolute pasting in the comments for being entitled, tone deaf and much more. But there are plenty of copies around, like the one at the link above. Hard luck Greg, and go Brett Hudson!

UPDATE: Newshub is now putting the boot into O’Connor as well, and all power to them!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/labour-mp-greg-o-connor-slammed-for-complaining-about-pay-cut.html
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July 26, 2020 1:00pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Tony: An excellent contribution; I have no choice but to agree with you, 100%.
  
  I realised Greg O’Connor was going to be “just another politician” three years ago, when, at a talk he gave to his U3A audience, he said he did not support the general arming of the police, despite advocating exactly that for the previous 25+ years!!
  
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  July 26, 2020 1:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The pay cut was 20% for Ministers, 10% for the rest. And O’Connor was moaning because he needed the money to fix his 46 year old pile of British crap.
  
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  July 26, 2020 2:12pm
  - Ruawai
    
    But only for 6 months so essentially only 10% and 5% cuts rather than 20% and 10% pay cuts.
    
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    July 26, 2020 2:56pm
    - Ruawai
      
      Actually now only 3 months so 5% and 2.5% cuts as pay cuts have only just started. Jacinda just making herself sound generous and kind and like one of the people but in reality almost no cut to income.
      
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      July 26, 2020 3:02pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        I think it is being enforced for 6 months, starting now, that is why it has taken so long to sort… Had to go through the Renumeration Authority.
        
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        July 26, 2020 4:39pm
- RJ
  
  He should complain to the person who caused him to have a pay cut, oh wait it was all voluntary so that would be himself.
  
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  July 26, 2020 2:33pm
- Hollyfield
  
  Got to love the reply on your twitter feed from AJ, which includes “Even Cindy can’t stand him. Her standards are hardly high”
  
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  July 26, 2020 4:48pm
Classic Liberal

Progressive home ownership.

Could be an ok idea except for two factors: should govt really be involved rather than charities organising it?

And this racist crap: “It will have a focus on new builds and areas with severe housing affordability, Māori and Pacific people, and families with children will be prioritised”

Why do you have to be a certain race to get help? Why not any family working hard but not earning enough to make the deposit?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/07/we-re-excited-auckland-family-buy-progressive-ownership-home.html
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July 26, 2020 1:24pm
RJ

Some tweets from Jenna Jameson

If you think Epstein is somehow unique, you’re sadly mistaken… there are MANY Epstein’s, that make him look like an amateur. Child hunting games, sacrifice, torture of children as young as 2. The elite.

The reason why Hollywood has been so incredibly silent on child sex trafficking is not only do they partake, they are covering for the big league hitters. The ones that hide in the shadows under the cover of a crown.

When I was barely 16 I was trafficked into stripping. I was told by my handlers to hide in my locker if the authorities came looking for me. This all became so normal to me that I didn’t realize how very wrong it was. After being raped violently over my childhood, it seemed easy.

My handler had already groomed me and separated me from my family. I was easy prey. Forever looking for love and acceptance, but ended up finding the devil.

Twitter
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July 26, 2020 2:32pm
rouppe

So how much of central Otago are Labour planning to flood?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12351049
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July 26, 2020 2:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Rouppe, I posted a little higher in this thread a link to details about the huge pumped-storage suggestion for Central Otago.
  
  For your convenience, here it is again:
  
  https://medium.com/land-buildings-identity-and-values/pumped-hydro-update-ec4538cbdb87
  
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  July 26, 2020 4:05pm
Fletch

These are the “peaceful protesters” in Portland that people are upset about Trump cracking down on. I think it’s something like 55 days they’ve been on the rampage now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSfL9SvTA_8
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July 26, 2020 3:08pm
- Kabull
  
  And the NZ media say nothing … All is sweetness and light in the Democrat led cities and states. If only. With luck the silent majority in the US will make their position known in November, other wise this will become the new norm.
  It is of course likely that if Biden wins, all this nonsense and BLM hysteria will cease overnight … but I wouldn’t count on it.
  
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  July 26, 2020 4:44pm
RJ

Love this guys Twitter and his videos

I’m over the reparation discussion.

My grandparents experienced Jim Crow and never asked for handout. Get a job and stop the mouth running.
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July 26, 2020 3:16pm
Happychappy

I can’t see why the media keep giving this lowlife the time of day and doesn’t add up as the guy is a fuckwit and only in it for himself.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300066166/jamilee-ross-looks-to-te-tai-tokerau-as-he-plots-journey-back-to-parliament
Jamie Lee Ross wants all the favors to fall his way as that only chance of a way back to Parliament, it’s all about JLR and if it goes wrong you watch his opinion it will be everyone elses fault never his own.
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July 26, 2020 3:45pm
- RJ
  
  They’re hoping at his court case he will drop everything he knows, or at least make shit up to damage national and bring in the next three years of a greens labour hell hole
  
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  July 26, 2020 3:58pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Just using him to try and damage National.
  
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  July 27, 2020 5:18am
Jack5

For anyone following the street fighting in United States cities, this link takes you to a local report as battles continue in Portland (population 650,00), Oregon, after 59 consecutive nights.

The newspaper has a paywall, but you should be able to get one free read if you just shut down the “nag” pop-up.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07/trump-sent-the-feds-to-quash-portlands-protests-what-we-know-amid-the-nightly-turmoil.html
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July 26, 2020 4:00pm
- Jack5
  
  An interesting decision on the protests in Seattle.
  
  A Judge has ruled that Seattle media organisations must hand over to police unpublished videos of protests.
  
  (Once local police the Federal officials have identified more protesters it will become clearer who key organisers and leaders are.)
  
  https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/judge-rules-that-news-media-must-give-protest-videos-to-seattle-police/281-c0f4c4b9-8d1a-456e-bc46-91b65be2f153
  
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  July 26, 2020 5:58pm
Jack5

The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded early in December, too late to clinch the general election for Jacindarella.

Bookies rank our PM’s chance of taking the prize about 5-1. Mad Greta of Climate Change, is ranked ahead of her and equal with the World Health Organisation on 3-1.

You have to wish Jacindarella wins ahead of the incompetent W.H.O., which both ignored Taiwan’s early warning about Wuhan flu and, according to Trump, is in Beijing’s pocket.

Either W.H.O. or Mad Greta winning would confirm the classification of the Nobel Peace Prize being beyond its useful date.

If Jacindarella wins, she might be lured off to some international big bureaucratic job.

The betting odds:

https://www.oddschecker.com/awards/nobel-prizes/nobel-peace-prize/winner
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July 26, 2020 4:44pm
- Jack5
  
  z Whoops! post in wrong spot. Sorry!
  
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  July 26, 2020 5:54pm
fightingtemeraire

According to Stuff Jacinda has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize!!!!
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July 26, 2020 4:59pm
- RJ
  
  Yeah well look at the people who have got them in the past. Right up her alley, not really anyone that deserved it.
  
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  July 26, 2020 5:18pm
Captain Mainwaring

Please excuse me while I go and be sick.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/300066249/jacinda-ardern-a-favourite-among-bookies-for-2020-nobel-peace-prize
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July 26, 2020 5:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear…
Chloe is equating her Labour opponent Helen White with misogynists…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/chloe-swarbrick-defends-herself-from-labour-s-auckland-central-candidate-helen-white.html

That won’t go down well with Labour females.
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July 26, 2020 5:42pm
Hollyfield

Labour have selected their candidate for Palmerston North – just 4 days after ILG was sacked. I guess it was a robust selection with ample opportunity for interested people to put their names forward, go through a vetting process and then voted on by local Labour members.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12351076
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July 26, 2020 5:46pm
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/newshub-reid-research-poll-the-destruction-of-national-under-judith-collins-as-party-sinks-to-25-percent.html

Utter bullshit.
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July 26, 2020 6:04pm
- RJ
  
  Likely taken during the falloon mess, I doubt national realistically would be below 40, that is the core voter base.
  
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  July 26, 2020 6:23pm
- IC5000
  
  LOL Quite literally Crushing those polls.
  
  Tell Collins PR minders she needs to become more likeable starting with a … [Deleted – knock off the appearance abuse. Mod.]
  
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  July 26, 2020 6:37pm
Brian McDonald

This has probably already been posted, but go these 2 men:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/uknews/britain-wins-rare-praise-for-leading-race-to-test-life-saving-covid-drugs/ar-BB17cilB?ocid=msedgdhp
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