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Captain Mainwaring

So the teenage National candidate for Palmerston North made front page news because someone dug up a picture taken when he was 14 doing a very poor Hitler impersonation.
All 14 year olds do that sort of stuff FFS.
So to preserve the balance, when will we see the footage of a younger Cindy as head of the World Young Socialists addressing everyone as ‘Comrades’?
Nah, didn’t think so.
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July 29, 2020 8:00am
- Tricati
  
  Remember it was Labour/MSM that said it was only National that used ‘dirty politics’.
  Just look at the various media outlet headlines and its easy to see where the crap is coming from – Like Hamish Walker is a racist.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:04am
  - Naths
    
    Hamish Walker is not racist – there are news articles of him marrying a woman of Maori decent and of him advocating for Indian or Sri Lankan families in his electorate.
    
    So what happened was Megan Woods deployed a “dirty politics” dog-whistle style attack and the non-questioning MSM lapped it up (thinking they caught National out).
    
    What I know in life is, sometimes there is a thing called karma and one day it will slap the despicable Megan Woods down big time!
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:26am
    - Ceejay
      
      Not just Woods, this government as a whole.
      
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      July 29, 2020 11:02am
- cmm
  
  Hitler impersonations or not, who thinks putting up an 18 year old to vote on important issues is a clever idea?
  
  What could this wee boy possibly bring to the table?
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:06am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Target for Green Votes–18 year olds.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:10am
    - calendar girl
      
      So he’s there primarily for collecting ‘Green’ votes, as opposed to any policy ideas or actions that he could bring to Government?
      
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      July 29, 2020 8:42am
    - MCos
      
      Bloke has to have a lot more going for him than merely his age to appeal to any particular group of voters.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:09am
    - SGA
      
      Target for Green Votes–18 year olds.
      
      Remember we cast two votes. Even if young voters thought it “cool” to vote for someone 18 years as MP, that doesn’t (and is unlikely, imo) to translate into more National party votes.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:12am
    - RJL
      
      18 year old voters are unlikely to vote for this twit just because he is 18, especially those who might otherwise be inclined to vote Green. Even 18 year olds are not that stupid.
      
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      July 29, 2020 2:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes they are, and will be until they get their brain back at 23. (Teen brain is removed at 13, tell me I am wrong)
        
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        July 29, 2020 6:21pm
  - cmm
    
    Whataboutism is broken because different brands get held to different values.
    
    National is branded as the competent party: solid leadership, experience, a firm hand on the tiller. An 18 year old is inconsistent with that branding.
    
    Greens are the fresh young faces filled with enthusiasm and idealism. Greens don’t need experience or competence – that is not part of their brand.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:23am
    - Naths
      
      National is a broad church – I cannot see the harm in National having ONE young candidate/MP.
      
      Remember young voters see National as bunch of old fuddy-duddies parents etc (so they vote Green or Labour, because they are supposedly “hip”).
      
      Well fuck the Greens and Labour – they don’t represent all youngsters at all! So a bit of healthy competition can only be a good thing, sometimes!
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:30am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Steals the thunder of Greens and Labor with a candidate younger than either of them have. And he is pretty switched on by all accounts.
      
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      July 29, 2020 10:53am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It’ll be a an impressive, capable, young man to get through the independent electorate selection panel.
        
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        July 29, 2020 12:54pm
  - Colville
    
    Massey uni is probably 25% of the palmy voters… All 18-22 years old. Ain’t gonna vote for a 60yr old crusty ex farmer like Mckelvie.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:23am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Yep, and from what I’ve heard from people in the electorate, Wood is really making an impression with young voters.
      
      I most certainly wouldn’t have been mature enough at 18 to even contemplate a political career, but from the couple of times I have met Wood, he seems very mature for his age. I doubt he will win Palmerston North, but the experience he gains from the best part of a year spent campaigning will be invaluable, wherever his future lies.
      
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      July 29, 2020 8:45am
    - igm
      
      McKelvie is not an ex-farmer (still farms), is far from crusty, and is not standing in the PN electorate . . . another knowledgeable Labour supporter!
      
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      July 29, 2020 8:50am
    - Random T Person
      
      Chasing the youth vote, eh? And how’s that gone for Labour, Greens, etc? Young people complain on social media, they don’t get off the couch and visit a polling booth. CMM is right about the values standard.
      
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      July 29, 2020 10:17am
  - Hacked-Off
    
    Worth a down tick. Actually cmm I know William Wood personally and he is more mature now than many older Adults I know. We need diversity in Parliament in age as in other criteria. The WW at age 18 is a different person from the WW at 14 – just the same as perhaps you were at that age.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:34am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      That’s my impression too HO, from the couple of times I have met William. He is an outstanding speaker, is confident, and seems comfortable with people of all ages. From what I have heard, he was the stand-out candidate at final candidate selection last year.
      
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      July 29, 2020 8:47am
    - MCos
      
      I should hope he would be.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:11am
  - igm
    
    Wood is a hell of a lot better than the immoral previous member, and now let us see what Utikuri has in the closet, or will media give his past indiscretions a wide berth.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:47am
  - Simon
    
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    18 years old. National are broken.
    
    So utterly useless.
    
    The other thing this proves is that there are too many MPs. Reduce from 120 to 60 or 70. No one will notice.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:58am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      And with that downtick, away you go troll . . .
      
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      July 29, 2020 11:03am
  - Gravelroad
    
    This looks like a gimmick for National which has suddenly gone wrong:
    Nats don’t expect to win the PN electorate so let’s pick some 17 year old student to show how cool we are at the Uni -we’re not all old fogey farmers after all.
    Then the ILG thing happens.
    So called “news” journalists/left wing activists decide – OK, maybe put the blow torch on this kid and see what dirt we can come up with to undermine his candidacy.
    What they came up with is pathetic and certainly not news. But, it’s served its purpose.
    Whatever happened to “be kind”?
    Socialism is not kind.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:00am
    - MCos
      
      Nobody is kind in politics.
      It’s like verbal rugby league. Everyone tries to knock each other’s block off on the paddock and kinda, sorta, best mates later.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:16am
  - Random T Person
    
    Massive upvote from me on this one CMM. We had this discussion the other day, when I noted I prefer my pollies old, white, learned and with gravitas. And the SPQR’s limitations on age for Senators, etc.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:18am
  - rockape
    
    So you would be against allowing 18 year olds to vote as they could decide who governs and makes those important decisions?
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:30am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Yes. I’m for primary full-voting rights to be limited to net-taxpayers, those with military or front-line emergency service, and married couples. I prefer the franchise to be limited to those who both contribute and have skin in the game.
      
      Other people not in the above groups can vote but theirs will be worth 50% of the full franchise holders’.
      
      Anybody with a criminal record that ended a jail sentence – no vote for 10 years. A 2nd jail term – lose the franchise for life.
      
      No votes for refugees for 10 years, and immigrants with dual citizenship as long as they retain that duality. No non-NZ-born people eligible for PM. No (ex)-Communists eligible for Cabinet to PM posts.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:49am
      - Batman
        
        That is totally ridiculous. Married couples??
        
        It’s not 1876 mate. Move in with the brethren if you want to move back in time.
        
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        July 29, 2020 11:23am
      - Nickc2
        
        Check with Cindy, but I believe there is no such thing as an ex-communist Engelbert?
        
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        July 29, 2020 1:12pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Hey Batman – thanks for the compliment. If you think something is ridiculous then it is clearly a good idea.
        
        Hey Nick – I lived and worked in the former USSR long enough to meet yer actual ex-communists. They were distinctive by their absolute hatred of the current-communists and from time to time they implemented that hatred quite, ah, effectively. Visibly.
        
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        July 29, 2020 1:54pm
      - IC5000
        
        > and married couples
        
        LOL tradcuck alert.
        
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        July 29, 2020 7:44pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        I think you missed your century. How about men only and property owners? Would pretty much capture most of your selection.
        
        Dual citizenship is still citizenship …. What if I was a Kiwi (first) who picked up foreign citizenship?
        
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        July 29, 2020 7:56pm
    - Random T Person
      
      18 year olds tend to be self-selecting as to whether or not they vote.
      
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      July 29, 2020 10:18am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Generally, true. But there are likely plenty of 28, 38, 48 or 58 year olds in Parliament who are merely there to eat their taxpayer-funded lunch.
    
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    July 29, 2020 10:12am
  - artemisia
    
    When selected it was unlikely he would be elected but clearly was considered to have potential. So a chance to get experience.
    
    Still unlikely he will be elected but any publicity etc, and times are very strange so who knows.
    
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    July 29, 2020 2:34pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  There can be no doubt the slime are going to redefine the answer to “How low can you go?” during the next couple of months – this being just the start.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:09am
  - Justitia
    
    The corruption of the news media is now plain for all to see. Not only have the accepted the government’s $50 million bribe but they are delivering on it with glee. National will not get a fair hearing from these partisan trash so they must concentrate their efforts on using social media and town hall meetings to engage with voters. We should also boycott TVNZ and TV3 – it does have an impact on their ratings and revenue.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:28am
    - Weinerpoop
      
      I agree, I can’t stomach the political reporters on both channels and they wonder why traditional TV is dying?
      
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      July 29, 2020 8:40am
      - tf78
        
        I record everything I want to watch – never the news because there’s 9/10 chance the face is on it. Fast forward through adds as well as parliament.
        
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        July 29, 2020 11:25am
      - Paulus
        
        TV and other reporters bar one very old man they are all women – mainly young, but suddenly experts in everything that $50 million buys.
        
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        July 29, 2020 1:33pm
    - Max
      
      TVNZ and TV3 news have not been watched for years in our house. We secure our news local and international elsewhere. If there are leaders debates we will tune in!
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:09am
      - peterwn
        
        Perhaps there will be no leaders debate this time.
        
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        July 29, 2020 9:18am
    - Old White Loser
      
      Rather tahn Boycott TVNZ and TV 3 the companies that advertise with these companies should be targeted.
      
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      July 29, 2020 12:09pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Justitia, more is achieved by boycotting their advertisers and making the fact known that you are doing it. Without advertisers, these commercial TV channels would by bankrupt unless the Labour, Greens and Winston 1st bail them out.
      
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      July 29, 2020 1:15pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Toxic Tova is on a mission to destroy Judith and National. Paid poodles of Labour party.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Tova is a silly little girl whose come comeuppance will occur sooner rather than later.
    Not sure what she is trying to achieve – but limits her future employment.
    Ask JLR.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:31am
    - stephen2d
      
      Trying to get a PR or comms job with Labour and with a salary that any journo can only dream of in their current job.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:06am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I wonder what sort of hi-jinks Tova and some of her journalistic colleagues got up to in their own early teens. Did she do or say things that would make her cringe today?
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:48am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Wasn’t there a lengthy whinge-piece by Tova in the media not so long ago where she bemoaned the fact that a lot of nice, ordinary people out in the real world were constantly messaging her about her toxic “reporting”?
      She is one of the most unprofessional journalists I have ever seen – and I have seen quite a few over a 40 year career.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:07am
    - Nickc2
      
      No doubt, what they got up to has been flushed down the toilet long ago.
      
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      July 29, 2020 1:17pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Sir Cullen, it’s not just Tova it is the majority of the NZ msm who are determined to see Judith Collins and National collapse. The parallels with Trump, the Republicans and the US msm is plain for all to see.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:10am
  - Miritu
    
    NZ needs its own Project Veritas to expose our corrupt media. James O’Keefe has done amazing work exposing NYT, Google, FB, CNN and many others
    https://www.projectveritas.com
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:49am
  - Lizziep
    
    Please do not disparage poodles, they are very cool dogs. I think they are snakes, and sorry for disparaging snakes but they slither along the ground in the dirt so like snakes.
    
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    July 30, 2020 6:55am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Wasn’t even a ‘hitler impersonation’ really – just had a milk moustache and took a silly pic to entertain his friends. As 14 yr olds do. Plus making a joke of hitler doesn’t mean u support nazis ffs – did Charlie Chaplin or Mel brooks??
  
  But yes, 18 is too young.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:12am
  - coge
    
    Taking the piss out of Hitler is actually a very good thing to do. However doing that these days attracts outrage from certain individuals. Similar to what might have happened in Nazi Germany.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:46am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Wrong take on this, coge.
      
      What 14-year-old William Wood was doing, was “taking the piss” out of the 11,000+ New Zealanders who died (many of them horribly) fighting Hitler, as well as of the many thousands more who were wounded (again, many of them horribly). And, not to mention, of the untold thousands of New Zealanders whose lives were essentially put on hold for five or six years, while WWII was fought.
      
      What no-one has mentioned, is that I thought, for 15 or more years now, teenagers (especially), have been told repeatedly, that they must be careful what they put up on social media, because, once up, it’s there forever. That future potential employers could see the behaviour displayed there and decide, on the basis of it, not to employ them.
      
      Yet, just four short years ago, a “Nat prat” (if not then, one certainly in the making) posted behaviour that has now come back to bite him in the bottom. Fortunately, for him, he was 14. Had it happened, say, 18 or fewer months ago, the Nats would now been looking for another candidate.
      
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      July 29, 2020 5:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’ll be looking forward to your “takedown” of the Mongrel Mob…
        
        https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/nexn5d/we-asked-the-mongrel-mob-whats-behind-the-nz-gangs-obsession-with-nazi-symbolism
        
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        July 29, 2020 5:42pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Couldn’t read it, Maggy. There was no scroll bar down the side. But, the answer as to why they do it is contained in the comment under the heading: The swastika was something people hated, and anything to do with insulting people, yeah the Mongrel Mob was all about it.
        
        They, too, mock the sacrifice of those who were called upon to serve, but don’t have the excuse of youthful stupidity.
        
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        July 29, 2020 6:03pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        but don’t have the excuse of youthful stupidity.
        
        Neither does my husband…. age 68..
        
        he’s been doing impersonations of Hitler for most of his life…and his accent is pretty spot-on.
        
        But here’s the point, Steve,…. his impersonation is not “taking the piss” at those who fought Hitler & the Nazis…. it’s “taking the piss” at those folks who today employ the techniques of the Nazis..
        
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        July 29, 2020 6:28pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        it’s “taking the piss” at those folks who today employ the techniques of the Nazis..
        
        Well, if you say so, Maggy.
        
        My point is, neither Hitler, nor WWII, were a joke. William Wood has had a lucky escape. I hope he has learned from this episode.
        
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        July 29, 2020 6:41pm
      - Jack5
        
        FFS lighten up, Steve.
        
        Our soldiers sang about Hitler to the tune of the march, “Colonel Bogey”. Bomber squadron armourers scrawled Hitler messages on bombs before raids on Germany.
        
        Chaplin made a marvellous comedy about Hitler and Mussolini. The problem with Taika Waititi’s recent Hitler satire is that he doesn’t come near Chaplin.
        
        Todd, do you think Waititi insults the memory of NZ soldiers who fought in World War 2? If not, leave a 14-year-old kid alone.
        
        Nearly everyone-else knows about the German film on Hitler that is plagiarised with false translations to satirise damn near anything. Here’s one of the latest versions – about Wuhan flu.
        
        https://youtu.be/m5R0UHGh8vA
        
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        July 29, 2020 10:13pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    There was another 18-year old young man from the same city called Craig Wickes about 40 years ago. Was selected for and played for the All Blacks at that age, in fact while still at Palmerston North Boys High School.
    
    As the saying goes, if you’re good enough you’re old enough.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:48am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      And of course William Wood is also an old boy of Palmerston North Boys’ High School, which, by coincidence, is my own alma mater.
      
      In more recent years, it has also been the school that produced cricketers like Matthew Sinclair, Ross Taylor and Jacob Oram, All Blacks such as Ngani Laumape and Liam Squire, and a host of young men who have gone on to very successful careers.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:23am
  - Naths
    
    Well said, and as John Cleese has said himself (over the recent Faulty Towers “woke debacle”) , it is done to MOCK the moustached idiot from the 1930’s/40’s and frankly that was what I saw in my childhood many decades ago – people talking the piss out of of him by showing how ridiculous his moustach was (post WW2)!
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:49am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Hitler and his goons were certainly mocked by us when young.
      
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      July 29, 2020 1:16pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Or Taika Waititi.
    He could have just said he was auditioning for a part in the movie.
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, we must remember it’s different when the left do it.
      
      Oh how we laffed when Taika donned the funny moustache…
      
      and we paid him mega $$$$$Millions and bestowed award after award on him for his rabbitting depiction of Nasty Germany.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:17am
    - tf78
      
      Lar – Taika Cohen actually – very convenient name change there.
      
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      July 29, 2020 11:31am
  - herb1
    
    Taika Waititi did an impersonation of Hitler and mocked him as well, but the International media lauded him for it.
    Why the different treatment?
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:28am
    - Souvlaki
      
      Because he’s ” special ” !
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:39am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        He’s a Politically Preferred Person of Pigment.
        
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        July 29, 2020 9:51am
      - Nickc2
        
        Are we allowed to impersonate and take the piss out of : Trotski, Lennon, Stalin, Marx or Mao and any other such people held in high esteem by most if not all of our Universities.
        
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        July 29, 2020 1:28pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Biiig difference: Jacinda has clearly stated in an interview that she has not changed her socialist perspective.
  
  Woods never had a Nazi perspective – he was just was *mocking* hitler. He should not even have apologised but pointed that out: 14 yr old only and *mocking* crazy nazis.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:16am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Agreed.
    
    William has nothing to apologise about. Hitler was a Wan Kerr and mass murderer, so why not take the piss out of him?
    
    In that comrade video Cindy does a raised hand/fist while shouting comrade. Perhaps the ’50million dollar media’ sense things are getting too close to home.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:07am
    - herb1
      
      Ardern does a Stalin impression . Stalin murdered or caused the murder of over 100million people.
      Ardern is elected ,sorry selected PM.
      Consistency please MSM
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:30am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Agreed, the MSM is not consistent.
        
        But it is worse than that.
        
        William Wood was clearly taking the piss out of someone (Hitler) whose values he didn’t agree with. We can see that because of his stated values. And who didn’t as a child put a comb on your top lip, raise you right arm, and mock Hitler.
        
        Comrade Ardern was doing a Stalin impression for values she did and still does agree with. We can see that because of her current values, in present time application / enforcement in NZ. She is a hard core totalitarian.
        
        Anyone can be wise in hindsight. “Oh we never knew she was like Hitler or Stalin reborn.”
        
        Very few are wise with foresight. “Based on her values and the pattern, if she is not stopped we will have a totalitarian regime”.
        
        The MSM clearly lack foresight. The $50m clearly lowered the average media IQ overnight.
        
        “Will you commit treason and attack NZ freedom for $50m?”
        “Yes.”
        “Will you commit treason for $5?”
        “What do you think we are?”
        “We’ve established that, we are just haggling over the price!”
        
        If the MSM was being objective, they would be running her YouTube comrade clip daily.
        
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        July 29, 2020 10:23am
- gorse
  
  She was impersonating Stalin, wasn’t she?
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:17am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Mocking Stalin or admiring him?
    
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    July 29, 2020 8:25am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Channeling Stalin more likely.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:08am
- Paulus
  
  I have sent this Utube overseas when people tell me that she is the wonder of the world.
  They think it is a fake –
  See also another one called “Communism in Aotearoa 2020”.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:29am
  - namron
    
    Paulus, is there any way you could jacinda’s enthusiastic “Comrade” shouting youtube on here, as I suspect that many people haven’t seen it.
    I reckon we all need to understand this significant bit of her background which is influencing so many of the things she says and does.
    Thanks.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:24am
    - namron
      
      Sorry – I see Steve has already done it a few posts further on.
      Thanks Steve.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
      
      Watch it with the sound off. Trust me, it’s better that way.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:40am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      Here’s the link. https://youtu.be/g9rsxFaq6Ig
      
      Complete with Comrade counter.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:48am
- 3-coil
  
  @Captain (8am) – as I watched Tova O’Brien’s hysterical report of the errant 14yr old boy, I was reminded of a recent interaction I had with the hypocritical Saint Tova.
  
  We were leaving an evening function at Te Papa, and as we walked past Tova and her friend sharing a fag outside the entrance we watched Tova flick her butt onto the ground and turn to walk back in. My partner loudly called her out on it, and pointed to the bin 2 metres away. Tova gave us the death stare, then we could see her brain ticking over – and she flounced over and picked up her dirty rubbish and threw it in the bin. Seems that Tova can do the right thing (even at Our Place) but only when someone is watching.
  
  Tova’s ovareaction to the kid’s shaving foam moustache show that she holds a 14yr old boy to higher standards than she can manage herself at almost 40yrs of age. Tova’s hypocrisy is one thing, but bullying a young boy on national TV shows the true level of gutter sleaze she comfortably swims in – a public apology to the kid would be the least she could do.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:38am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Sooner or later it will be “All Over Red Tova”.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When will we see the footage of a younger Cindy…..?
  All freely available on Youtube.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:40am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I probably should have said: “When will the TV networks make use of the footage?”
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:18am
    - Naths
      
      Labour better not push too hard on this issue – as Collins could just bring it up in an interview sometime.
      
      Bwahahahahaha!
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:34am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Steve Elers is a senior lecturer at Massey University’s School of Communication, Journalism and Marketing:
    
    “ Ardern and her comrades stated: “Redistribution will lead to more financial stability and justice. As IUSY we struggle for redistribution between the north and the south and for redistribution between the poor and the rich, because we believe in equality and justice.”
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300012145/its-important-to-understand-what-drives-the-prime-minister
    
    Taxinda’s views on this have not changed since she was the ‘comrades’ shouting, Internationale singing president of the IUSY.
    
    She was as presumably still is admiring hard core socialism.
    
    I can’t find her early interview as pm stating that she still held the same beliefs. NZ needs to see both: her on stage as IUSY president and that interview.
    
    Plus of course people need to understand that working and saving are a waste of time if it will be stolen to give everyone economic equity.
    
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    July 29, 2020 10:15am
- Inandout
  
  CM, we all get tired of National candidate pasts being dredged up when Jacinda’s uni days are hush hush.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:45am
  - Tall Man
    
    Anyone can discuss “tellus” “hoover” or any other vacuum cleaner.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:41am
    - Inandout
      
      TM, wink wink, nod nod, say no more.
      
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      July 29, 2020 12:45pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  And next up will be an old photo of a younger National minister when they were at kindergarten taking a toy off another child or something similar!
  Bloody ridiculous this biased media.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:55am
- Naths
  
  So who leaked to whom the supposedly closed (?) Facebook photo of the young chap?
  
  Eg did a person leak it to media?
  
  Or did someone leak it to Labour (who then tipped off the MSM)? If the latter, then here (yet again) is the Labour Party Dirty Politics machine in operation … passing off “intel” to the MSM in total secrecy and protection.
  
  If it was Labour, then this is either utu for ILG’s sacking … or Labour are running shit scared (and are panicking) because for the Palmerston North electorate, the Green Party is running a “well known” (in their eyes) candidate that will eat into Labour’s support.
  
  There is a possibility that National could take the seat because of the left split vote … if anything the National Party should “invest” more of their time and energy to help William Wood get over the line. Who knows sometimes miracles (and upsets) do happen!
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:55am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Labour activists like Neale Jones were expressing their disgust at Wood yesterday, and demanding that National deselect him. Sensibly, Judith Collins has supported the young man publicly this morning.
    
    As an aside, it was TVNZ who first broke this story yesterday afternoon. Ironically, Colmar Brunton is polling at this very moment for a poll due to be released tomorrow night on TVNZ. Was this a ploy to try and skew the poll results?
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:27am
    - Naths
      
      Good points. I saw that Neale Jones twitter post. What a cretin!
      
      Best thing was hearing Judith Collins backing her candidate on Morning Report this morning. Even Corrin Dann calmed down his questioning (as even he must have felt the issue was ridiculous as Judith made a number of fair points)!
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:37am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Yes, the point that shut him up was asking him if he’d never done anything silly as a teenager!
        
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        July 29, 2020 10:18am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Labour doesn’t do dirty politics. The MSM does it on their behalf.
  
  Also, the last person I saw doing a bad Hitler impression was Taika Waititi.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:16am
  - Paulus
    
    With his other name being Cohen I would expect him to do it as a bad impression.
    
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    July 29, 2020 10:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    a bad Hitler impression
    
    I agree,
    puerile nonsense to appeal to feel gooders.
    
    The entire film is
    superficial pap masquerading as deep drama.
    
    Waititi’s performance as Hitler is “aiming for The Great Dictator but barely hitting Ace Ventura.”
    https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review-jojo-rabbit-is-taika-waititis-marvel-presents-mein-kampf/
    
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    July 29, 2020 10:45am
    - Jack5
      
      Waititi comparable with the great acting of the dodgy but brilliant Charlie Chapman?
      
      Only to the taxpayer-subsidy hand-out office: the NZ Film Commission.
      
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      July 29, 2020 11:23am
    - alex Masterley
      
      I thought the Waititi-Cohen foilm about Hitler was inastonishingly bad taste. I was surprised it got the “critical” response it did.
      
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      July 29, 2020 1:31pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      I started watching JoJo Rabbit, got about 20 minutes in and decided it was “Sugar Honey Iced Tea” of the greatest order. If you haven’t watched it, don’t bother, life’s too short.
      
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      July 29, 2020 3:30pm
- Chris R
  
  I agree…but does the photo look anything like Hitler? I can’t see it. Maybe my eyesight is waning? To me it looks more like a Milo advertisement.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:26am
  - Naths
    
    Yes I remember back to Standard 4 yonks ago and a young girl in my class at the time put yogurt above her lip as a moustache and we all pissed ourselves laughing and laughing our asses off!
    
    It’s.what.kids.do. They like to be funny by taking the piss out of THEMSELVES!
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:41am
  - Scooter
    
    Or the scene from Me Myself & Irene
    
    https://images.app.goo.gl/zrxPfbcbLRvqDUkj9
    
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    July 29, 2020 4:36pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  The Nazis had a far lower kill count than the Soviets, in the order of several millions. Yet someone can wear a hammer and sickle without any opprobrium, but not a swastika. Student groups openly espouse Communist rhetoric and wave the banner. Ditto Antifa.
  
  I don’t wish to wear either insignia, but you have to wonder precisely why there is a double-standard in this regard. One could speculate, but regardless, it’s an interesting topic for analysis.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:58am
  - Jack5
    
    “Kill count.” Not sure what are you talking about, Ghandi.
    
    Soviet casualties World War 2: 26 million dead, including about 8.7 million military deaths.
    
    Nazi Germany casualties in World War 2: about 5.3 million, plus up to half a million civilians from Allied bombing, and hundreds of thousands in the post-1945 ethnic cleansing of Germans from East Prussia, former parts of Germany now in Poland, and from Czechoslovakia.
    
    But I agree with you on Antifa and the various anarchist and Marxist groups allied with it.
    
    They cite 1920s German Communist violence against rising Nazis as examples of just action, and happily resort to violence in their goals. Street fighting rather than elections are their favoured means of political change.
    
    Most, if not all of Antifa and the like, also want to end “capitalism”, which means they want to end present Western open society.
    
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    July 29, 2020 11:34am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      I don’t restrict the deaths to WWII though. On aggregate, Stalin’s purges and his reign of terror in particular left many more millions dead than under the Nazis, and the vast majority of these were the internal population.
      
      Moreover, even if there was some approximate parity, we can also include the Maoist regime, plus all of the other Soviet satellites and aligned States around the globe. This gives a clear lead to the Communists.
      
      The combined deaths under all Communist regimes is utterly mind-boggling, yet wearing a Mao, Che Guevara, or Stalin t-shirt has plenty of cache among the ignorant. As I said, no one other than those of us with historical awareness either know about or care about how the Communists behaved.
      
      The point is this: both the Nazis and the Communists killed many people, yet only one regime is condemned absolutely, whereas the other is lauded by a sector of society.
      
      We can conclude, therefore, that the outright and universal condemnation and proscription of Nazi ideas or insignia (and more broadly, the lumping-in and association of anything that may be construed as “Nationalism” with the Nazis) is not about deaths per se, but is principally about the characteristics of who was killed, and by whom they were killed.
      
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      July 29, 2020 2:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” killed 45 million people in four years from 1958.
        
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        July 29, 2020 3:15pm
    - Komata
      
      Jack5@1134
      
      I note that the rioting, looting Antifa ‘participants’ want to ‘End capitalism’, yet I wonder if the advocates of such a policy have thought the idea through to its logical conclusion, a conclusion which will inevitably mean the destruction of the very economic system that enables them (as predominantly white, rich, educated kids) to do what they are doing.
      
      They would probably not like the end results of their demands.
      
      ‘Be careful what you wish for’ comes to mind…
      
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      July 29, 2020 4:35pm
- oldgolfer
  
  Bloody low, and Newshub dined out on it last night. Low, even for it.
  
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  July 29, 2020 11:31am
- Billy Collins
  
  If anything, that picture is a mockery of Hitler.
  Apparently mocking Hitler is white supremacy now.
  
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  July 29, 2020 12:12pm
- IC5000
  
  I don’t think all 14 yo pose as Adolf. This guy should quit politics sink some piss and pull some chicks that he will be embarrassed about. Stuff that a normal 17 yo old does.
  
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  July 29, 2020 12:41pm
- RJL
  
  We were somehow expected to believe that it was evidence of significant and important things that 6 years ago Muller worked for Fonterra, or that 18 years ago he worked for Zespri.
  
  So, it seems that knowing another candidate thought a Hitler impersonation was “hilarious” 4 years ago is equally important.
  
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  July 29, 2020 2:07pm
  - IC5000
    
    One was an adult while the other is legally a child. It’s an important distinction.
    
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    July 29, 2020 4:37pm
- Papalazarou
  
  I’m 62 and I still do that inane shit
  
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  July 29, 2020 7:15pm
Chris Walden

Thank God the internet wasn’t around when I was a 14 year old boy. Some of the images that would have been posted online regarding my behaviour would have broken the internet!
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July 29, 2020 8:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You and me both Chris. I wonder what sort of antics all the holier-than-thou media types got up to in their early teens, that they’d cringe at now.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:17am
- MCos
  
  Most young people are far more mature than they were in our time.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    What rubbish.
    
    There are numbnuts and clever clogs in all generations.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:43am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      What a beautiful pair of descriptive terms. Bravo!
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:17pm
CaptainCompromise

Here’s a question for you all: House Prices in AKL WGT and CHC, what are you thinking over the next 12 months?

I can see a 6-10% correction in the North Island, but not much in Christchurch, prices are so low there comparatively, there’s just not a lot of scarcity there. I don’t think the banks will roll over easy either, why would you flood the market with mortgagee sales than take the hit in interest payments for a few months and keep a customer?
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July 29, 2020 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  Wait for the wage subsidy to end .We’re currently living in a Cindy induced coma. When the plugs are pulled ……..
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:51am
  - Inandout
    
    kowtow, Stockholm Syndrome indicates the subsidy will be extended by two months to cushion the bewildered Jacinda worshippers.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:18am
- Simon
  
  “Here’s a question for you all: House Prices in AKL WGT and CHC, what are you thinking over the next 12 months?”
  
  Up. Interest rates zero then the rental property still cash flows.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:02am
- MCos
  
  I don’t know, but a pretty ordinary house with no garage just down the road from me sold yesterday for what I would have thought was an extremely tidy sum of money.
  20% more than council valuation.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:30am
Classic Liberal

Judith Collins on newstalk zb very good this morning re policy enabling people to use some KiwiSaver money for business startups. She was absolutely onto it: sensible and positive.
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July 29, 2020 8:20am
- Simon
  
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  National have been fucking useless since they binned Bridges. The election was wide open and Bridges was solid on the Wuhan virus before home detention and then he was closed down.
  
  Then after home detention and a $50 million bail of $1 media some fake polling got him replaced by the most useless back stabber in history since the year of the Four Emperors.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:31am
- Simon
  
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  “policy enabling people to use some KiwiSaver money for business startups”
  
  Lol. Access to your own savings. Stunning.
  
  Where are the fucking tax cuts to keep more of your own money so you dont have to tap into your savings.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:34am
  - Inandout
    
    Simon: Access to taxpayer money; stupid.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:20am
  - Chris R
    
    It is problematic to receive a tax cut when you are no longer employed.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:27am
Prince

TV One reporter last night, and the Left twitterati since, are claiming National (Nick Smith) is racist in denying Maori electorate voters the right to ‘vote strategically, as the voters of Epsom do’, by stopping them swapping electorates at will.
Let’s give this two seconds thought. Epsom voters split their votes to gain better representation, an Act electorate MP (and possibly another Act MP), and a National govt vote.
Maori electorate votes could do the same by voting Maori Party electorate and Labour Govt.
Epsom voters cannot swap electorates at will.
Their argument makes no sense, but still Maiki Sherman screams at Nick Smith ‘Do you think Maori voters are stupid ?’
No Maiki, but I think you need a better argument.
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July 29, 2020 8:22am
- Lance
  
  A vile personal attack on an elected politician by a ‘reporter’ FFS.
  TV1 has no limits on how low it can go.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:43am
- MT_Tinman
  
  ‘Do you think Maori voters are stupid ?’
  No Maiki, but I think you need a better argument.
  
  The majority of Maori voters usually vote Labour despite Labour treating them abominably.
  
  You may want to re-think your reply.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:47am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    “Do you think Maori voters are stupid ?’”
    
    If they are on the Maori electoral role.
    
    Yes.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:22am
    - mark15
      
      ‘Roll’
      
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      July 29, 2020 1:33pm
- Swifty
  
  Maori voters are not stupid but, like nearly all voters, know what side their bread is buttered on and will make moves to maximise the value of their vote to their side of choice.
  
  Nick Smith is exactly right on this one.
  
  (And, just as an aside, do you notice whenever Willie Jackson is interviewed he doesn’t debate the issue he just smears, insults and slurs. Every single time.)
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:50am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You listen to Jackson? More information on the infomercials imo
    
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    July 29, 2020 11:16am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s less an issue with voting strategically (because the Epsom agreement is long term and non-changing). The problem is the Winston in Northland factor. If Maori voters had the ability to jump off the Maori roll every time there’s a bi-election they could do what Winston did when Labour gave him their votes and upset the actual representation in parliament.
  There is a very big difference.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:57am
  - Swifty
    
    Well said.
    
    There is no equivalence with Epsom. It’s a red herring.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:11am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I watched that last night and that woman Maiki is a disgrace – a total [deleted] waste of time imo
  
  [Mod: don’t ad hominem people]
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:03am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Sauce for the goose not the gander…?
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:54am
- MCos
  
  The word ‘racist’ didn’t come up in the TV1 News report at 6pm last night.
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/national-blocks-move-would-allow-m-ori-voters-switch-electoral-rolls-more-freely
  
  Of course Epsom voters cannot swap electorates. However in the past National has indicated that it would be in their interest if folks who normally would have voted for Goldsmith give consideration to voting for Seymour, for obvious reasons.
  It’s worth noting that although Seymour won the seat, ACT picked up less than 3% of the Epsom party votes.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:49am
  - Jack5
    
    The word “racist” not in a news bulletin?
    
    Someone will be on the mat this morning.
    
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    July 29, 2020 11:38am
  - Prince
    
    That’s the point. They voted strategically. As voters in a Maori electorate can also do this election. National is not denying them that.
    
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    July 29, 2020 12:15pm
Simon

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Good move for Ardern dealing to the CCP over Hong Kong.

The CCP wasnt able to buy Ardern as she has quickly risen through the ranks before they got a chance.
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July 29, 2020 8:23am
- Lance
  
  Are you just taking the piss or do you really believe that?
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:43am
  - Simon
    
    “Are you just taking the piss or do you really believe that?”
    
    Why yes yes i do. Or do you think Ardern has been bought already like many of the others?
    
    And here is a hint. The WHO is a CCP converged organisation. That means WHO is an utterly corrupt plaything of the CCP.
    
    Who have the WHO flown in to do a review of their reaction of the Wuhan Virus? Helen Clark.
    
    If you are a totally bent organisation and you can choose anyone in the world to complete a review then you get in someone bent themselves to do a white wash review.
    
    CCP will have the goods on Clark and she will play along.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:14am
    - Batman
      
      Simon you are sounding increasingly unhinged. Be mindful of that.
      
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      July 29, 2020 9:16am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Nice lack of self awareness you got going on there Batman
        Tell us more about Barr being an ‘agent of Russia’ etc
        Hahahahaha
        
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        July 29, 2020 9:30am
    - Pateke
      
      Simon, Getting a bit worried about your fixation with China. The word BORING comes to mind.
      
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      July 29, 2020 3:04pm
- Ruahine
  
  It is a very good move on the part of Labour.
  It will be China that will be ‘lending’ Labour the next $50 Billion.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  Bhahahahaha LOL – was brought kicking and screaming to the table by Winston after the reality of no ‘five eyes’ was explained to her……12 times.
  
  Angry will be upset – he’s a big fan of China and CCP’s way of law making.
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:17am
Colville

Massey uni is probably 25% of the palmy voters… All 18-22 years old. Ain’t gonna vote for a 60yr old crusty ex farmer like Mckelvie.
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July 29, 2020 8:25am
- Colville
  
  How did I manage to post that twice? 🤔
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:47am
  - greybeard
    
    Don’t worry, none of us read it the first time.
    
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    July 29, 2020 10:14am
G152

I see the greenish are stopping a property owner from developing his property.
Any chance we can get greens moved out of their accommodation because we just -might- plant trees on that land ???
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July 29, 2020 8:28am
oldpark

Stop! Look! and Listen! on NZs Human Rights and Civil Liberties. Just how important are they to the present Regime . Labour/Greens /NZ First .
Just a few short weeks ago against the advice of NZs woke Human Rights Commissioner that lot were told that NZs Democratic Rights were being attacked when the Commie/Socialist Ardern and Green/Peters gang put through legislation allowing Police to charge into Private Homes without a Warrant .In some sort of pretext searching for Coronavirus Criminals breaching the rules.
Now all of a sudden the arseholes have had an Epiphany on Human Rights and Civil Liberties for some NZs . Seems anyone who decides to return to NZ after being overseas will go into quarantine well and good . With no charge . Yet the NZs who have had their freedom and Civil and Human Rights and overblown Lockdown by the present Regime and abused will once more have to suck it all up and pay for the thousands of votes that the present corrupt Regime will surely get .
Interesting now the present excuse is just how important Human and Civil Liberties are . Not a word about the Millions of NZS who just a few weeks ago lost the same rights when Legislation allowed Police to charge into Residential Homes without a warrant .
“Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely”. A sad indictment of just what lies ahead for NZs should this lot of control freaks led by “Auntie Cindy Ardern” are given three more years to destroy the lifestyle and well being of NZs.
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July 29, 2020 8:28am
Maggie Pie

Funny isn’t it, that STUFF should label NewShub’s Tova O’Brien, as a……. ‘Political Muckraker’.
I actually really like her sassiness to be honest.
When she popped up on the TV3 Bulletin last night, my partner tried to think who she reminded him of.
It finally came to him this morning 😀

https://i.imgflip.com/49nfgn.jpg
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July 29, 2020 8:28am
Yvette

My neighbour is a New Zealand citizen but caught in Melbourne at the moment caring for elderly parents. If he returns to this country in the near future he will have to spend two weeks in Government supervised isolation rather than come straight to his home, because the Government don’t trust him to honour the medical requirements they would require of him.

So because they assume dishonesty or non-compliance, they insist on enforced hotel detention.
To add insult they will soon likely require at least part payment of that hotel detention.
Corrections prisoners are not even treated that way.

Some might say others, who have broken conditions of their detention, lead to this government position. It’s not racism, but something else similar – to judge a nation on its lowest common denominator.

However, much of Magic Talk Radio was devoted yesterday afternoon to the current court examination of the legality of Government Lockdown, Level Four, and whether the Prime Minister Ardern, for one, lied (their word) in some matters.

It will be interesting to see if those who are required to part-pay for their own hotel detention are being forced to do so by a Government less honest and moral than the behaviour and co-operation they apparently expect of those in their temporary custody.

When will reality knock a little glitter of some of the pixie dust off the Saviour of the Nation, Jacinda d’Arc
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July 29, 2020 8:29am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Sadly Yvette, I think it’s highly likely that the High Court Justices will reserve their decision, and it may not see the light of day before Monday 21 Spetember.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:32am
- Yvette
  
  Further to my mention above of Radio Magic Talk discussing Ardern’s honesty are the legality of some of her actions they asked what other examples listeners could think of.
  
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  There is her halting development at Ihumatao, now being rewritten in the media as “negotiating a halt to building” but that is not what media reported at the time. Fletchers should have called the stop to activity, probably after Police advised them it was unsafe – but that never happened – Ardern did.
  
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  The slogan “They are us”. But the Islamic Women’s Community of New Zealand have pre-released their contribution to the Royal Commission on the Christchurch Shootings to explain why “They are definitely not us”. Pity the rest of the Report is delayed until after the Election.
  
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  Ardern told a United Nations Climate Summit “We are going to plant a billion trees and 150 million are already in the ground” but failed to add that the scheme she was talking of was responsible for, at the time, only 24.68 million trees directly funded by the Government, and the other 125 million were commercial Forestry trees, and further to that, Forestry had a 95% replant rate which means that for every 95 trees they plant, they fell 100 mature trees elsewhere in their forests.
  Same as in talking about new police recruits – they weren’t subtracting those police who in the same period retired or those who left the force for other reasons. Lies in both tree and police numbers.
  
  Just how many does it take to be a trend or habit?
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:55am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “They are us”. A cliche, like so many of hers, spurted out her unconscious. “They are us” is promoting collectivism, not personal responsibility.
    
    As for planting trees, it won’t fit the perceived CO2 problem. Better to leave NZ in native bush and grass, which has better CO2 sequestration then non native pine trees.
    
    Planting trees is another red herring of the global climate change scam. And only offered up by those who don’t do research and supported by those who don’t know.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:33am
rangitoto

Hope you aren’t leering chaps.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8564247/Are-masks-giving-men-licence-stare-Women-report-rise-aggressive-eye-contact.html
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July 29, 2020 8:35am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner bought himself one of those black reusable Designer Masks off Ebay…. he thinks it makes him look a bit sort of ‘mysterious’.
  Only problem is, it makes his ears stick out, and whenever he breaths, his sunglasses fog up.
  
  LOL!
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:11am
  - stigie
    
    Not to be washed as well Maggie..?
    
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    July 29, 2020 11:10am
- Inandout
  
  rangi, little different from sitting in a waiting room with a hooded Muslim woman who stared at all those waiting with beady eyes. She was then seen by a Muslim doctor.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:26am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  “World ends, women and minorities hardest hit”.
  
  Yeah yeah. That gets old.
  
  Why do men die 7 years earlier than women?
  
  Because we want to 🙂
  
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  July 29, 2020 11:49am
- Scooter
  
  I would have thought looking at the eyes rather than lower down on the anatomy is a good thing. Is there anything left that people don’t complain about?
  
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  July 29, 2020 5:23pm
chukar

Agree CMM,
18 is roo young and inexperienced to drive this country.
Were he in the legal, building military or any other real business there is absolutely no way he would be allowed access to the control levers.

So sorry National, this is an own goal of substantial proportions.
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July 29, 2020 8:37am
- Lance
  
  So pilots on the leading edge of carrier operations are all old buggers?
  I think not.
  Try another analogy
  
  BTW, in the square rigger sailing ship era, the night watch was often managed by a midshipman
  You know, a 13 year old in charge of a battleship.
  
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  July 29, 2020 8:50am
  - chukar
    
    No Lance the people you refer to are being told what to do.
    It takes experience ,knowledge and bloody hard work to be fit to tell people what to do,
    
    Ever heard of Governance?
    
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    July 29, 2020 11:09am
    - alloytoo
      
      Indeed, but we still call the Ardern regime a government.
      
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      July 29, 2020 1:25pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Αλέξανδρος Γʹ ὁ Μακεδών was leading armies at the age of 20 and went on to rule the largest empire of the time.
      
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      July 29, 2020 2:23pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And similar for Чингис хаан….married at 16.
        
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        July 29, 2020 4:08pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Not really, he isn’t high on the list and wasn’t expected to win the seat. It was more a blooding exercise to get him some experience and hopefully engage more youth into being interested in right wing politics.
  They got blindsided by ILG’s stupidity unfortunately.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:01am
- rockape
  
  You don’t think an 18 year old soldier in charge of a rifle has the leavers. At 18 I commanded a platoon of infantry in Northern Ireland.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:50am
- MCos
  
  If Master Wood should wind up in parliament there’s a good chance he’ll be on the front bench within a very short time.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:58am
  - barnacle bill
    
    The depleted Nats will not have an issue over social distancing.
    
    There will be heaps of spare room on that side of the house.
    
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    July 29, 2020 10:44am
- DeepBlue
  
  Whatever people think of an 18yo going against ex- ILG, surely the main point was for Wood’s debating skills to get extra party votes for National amongst younger voters, and to give him experience. Personally, he can hone skills and focus his study/career after this experience.
  
  Not every electorate MP is chosen to actually win the electorate in a safe Labour seat. Take Goldsmith, he is for party vote only.
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:27am
PaulDunmore

From Stuff: New Zealand has suspended its extradition treaty with Hong Kong, saying it can no longer trust that the city’s justice system is independent of China. …. The Chinese Embassy in Wellington, in a statement, said New Zealand’s decision was “a serious violation of international law” and “a gross interference in China’s internal affairs”.

If Hong Kong is an indivisible part of China, surely the gross interference in China’s internal affairs would be to have a separate extradition treaty with Hong Kong in the first place?
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July 29, 2020 8:38am
Simon

Buy US$. The odds that NZ’s 20 year chicken shit economy, post Wuhan virus is somehow rescued by the [Mod: mongs – use that word again and a period in the bin awaits you] in Wellington is so remote.

When it all turns to shit you will want to own US$.
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July 29, 2020 8:41am
Simon

There is no way that Labour are at 60% and NZ first are at 2%.

Fake polling. No outlier just fake.
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July 29, 2020 8:42am
kwkiwigirl

Labiur deciding to charge people for quarantine who have left Nz for a short trip. That must be 1% of the people being quarantined.

What about charging Nz residents who have come running back to Nz from their overseas homes who haven’t paid into the tax system for years ?? They are the ones who have no right to free quarantine.

What a claytons move. Just before the election. Labour need to report back how much they plan to save from this move. What a load of BS.
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July 29, 2020 8:51am
- rockape
  
  If they have student loans they. Have failed to maintain then hold their passports until they pay them off in NZ.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:54am
  - godruelf
    
    Should also make sure the same applies to any deadbeat dads (or mums) with outstanding child support payments
    
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    July 29, 2020 11:00am
- DeepBlue
  
  National should be saying for every 10,000 people who return costs NZ taxpayer $40,000,000… Which is xyz (gender reassignment operations /sarc… But something people can relate to).
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:32am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Of course NZH has the headline ‘Border Costs; The Kiwis set to be charged’ ie 1% of those coming in. Labour party always aided and abetted by NZH, more so now that they stand to get some of the $50m media bribe.
  
  Ardern to shit scared to make it compulsory on all the long standing NZers who have moved away from NZ permanently.
  
  Does anyone know how this crappy move by Ardern compares against what they are doing for quarantine charging in Australia? I bet it’s everyone getting charged over there.
  
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  July 29, 2020 11:06am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  What about charging all criminals and other ferals who have never contributed to the New Zealand tax system at any time in their lives?
  
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  July 29, 2020 4:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tear gas, 5 bucks a go. https://babylonbee.com/news/portland-police-make-millions-after-offering-citizens-a-turn-throwing-tear-gas/?utm_content=buffer4fd41&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR0pCD6TN1vTBQ97zapk7E2dBqzqbMwGCm9FiVqUCM6r2duZr1AOKZezXqc
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July 29, 2020 8:52am
Bobba Fret

And now I hear on the radio, that one of the chasers on the popular The Chase quiz programme, that has the nick name “the Dark Destroyer”, is upset as in Australia they are dropping the word “Dark” due to racism / BLM! And they are wanting the BBC to change his nick name too!
What next?
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July 29, 2020 8:58am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sounds like “Black Beauty” will be f–ked then.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:15am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I say all people with the surnames Black, or White, should immediately be made to change them to Grey or Green.
    
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    July 29, 2020 9:41am
    - Observer of Life
      
      Is Brown OK I wonder?
      
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      July 29, 2020 4:32pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Maybe have to be renamed as the Light Destroyer then.
  Being labelled a destroyer- good.
  Dark – bad.
  “It was a dark and stormy night…………..”
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:38am
  - JibberJabber
    
    LoL, “Stormy”, another word forever ruined…
    
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    July 29, 2020 11:22am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    What about the totally white and highly visible ‘Bad Moon Rising…’
    
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    July 29, 2020 11:51am
- Fletch
  
  TBH, I wondered when this was going to happen. Only a matter of time before the PC brigade got to it.
  
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  July 29, 2020 9:43am
- gravedodger
  
  The word “Dark” was dropped earlier for an Australian effort, as stated by Shaun this morning on Hosking Breakfast.
  Wallace was known as ‘The Destroyer’ for the aus “Chaser series”.
  
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  July 29, 2020 4:48pm
fernglas

Try this to find where you are on the political spectrum. You might be surprised. https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
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July 29, 2020 9:01am
- Tall Man
  
  Nope, wasn’t surprised 😉
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:17am
RW Capitalist

The Serenity Prayer
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference.[1]

I am an atheist (mentioned many times)
But you can learn a lot from religion.

Relevance…the thought that the govt. is considering subsidizing the tourism industry.
1. Tourism requires people to want to come and their govts to allow them (covid19) ie we have no control over this.
2. The complex web of businesses that create the rest of our economy are going broke…help them.
3. The difference?….one we have no control over, the other we control over taxation, regulation etc.
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July 29, 2020 9:05am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  This was the Serenity Prayer in our mess:
  
  Lord, Grant me the serenity to
  accept the things I cannot change,
  Courage, to change the things I can, and
  Wisdom to hide the bodies of those people
  I had to kill because they pissed me off.
  
  And also,
  Help me to be careful of the toes I step on today,
  As they may be connected to the ass that I may
  have to kiss tomorrow.
  
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  July 29, 2020 11:59am
JibberJabber

If we could just get one Journalist like this, just one, please?
https://twitter.com/IanMarkFish1/status/1288041371732004867
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July 29, 2020 9:40am
Fletch

The video by America’s Frontline Doctors that was blocked multiple times by Facebook and Youtube.

Facebook has removed a video posted by Breitbart News earlier today, which was the top-performing Facebook post in the world Monday afternoon, of a press conference in D.C. held by the group America’s Frontline Doctors and organized and sponsored by the Tea Party Patriots. The press conference featured Rep. Ralph Norman (R-SC) and frontline doctors sharing their views and opinions on coronavirus and the medical response to the pandemic. YouTube (which is owned by Google) and Twitter subsequently removed footage of the press conference as well.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/

Also includes a section of an African American doctor how she has successfully treated patients with the drug Hydroxychloroquine.

Also a Yale epidemiologist says the drug works.

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
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July 29, 2020 9:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A lot have saved the vid on FB. I suspect FB will start deleting accounts soon
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:21am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I’ll have to take Styx’s advice and switch to BitChute soon. More dedicated to free speech and according to Styx not ‘far right’ as the msm and YouTube may claim to try and make people scared to go there.
  
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  July 29, 2020 11:29am
Fletch

Mark Levin’s podcast yesterday. He starts off with the fact that it’s incredible that a vaccine is at the phase three trial after only 6 months. It’s very good news that the media haven’t really reported on. He also points out that it is Trump that has caused this to happen. As a businessman he knows how to get things done, reaching out to the private sector, etc. What has Congress done to help fight the virus? Nothing. All they’ve done is hand out free money. What would Biden have done? Same as he did in 2009 during the Swine Flu pandemic – nothing. They didn’t know what to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaRt7n-X0DI
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July 29, 2020 9:48am
Ian Boag

And now for something completely different. Thoughtful …..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300068065/fanciful-debt-reduction-target-is-nationals-kiwibuild
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July 29, 2020 9:50am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Except…National achieved it in the past…. GFC and Cullen’s recession.
  Labour never got close to achieving ANY of their promises.
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:11am
  - Ian Boag
    
    I thought the piece was fairly even-handed.
    
    Kiwibuild was killed by the fact that government did not have any way to crank down land prices. Nothing to do with Twyford.
    
    I think there is some merit in the suggestion that debt reduction on the scale proposed would involve taking a blowtorch to health and social spending on a scale that would make National unelectable for a looong time. Much worse than Ruth’s 1991 stuff.
    
    Life at the top is hard and there are no free lunches.
    
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    July 29, 2020 1:38pm
- Frank the tank
  
  So is the belief that unemployment will be below 10% come this time next year.
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:11am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    In which fairy tale?
    
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    July 29, 2020 11:01am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Meanwhile, Labour have the same pan, to rely on economic growth to get us out with a completely made up growth number of something like 8.3% in four years time. Funny how the dishonest author didn’t mention that!
  The difference of course is that National actually have specific plans to grow the economy whereas Labour just think it’ll happen naturally.
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:53am
  - Ian Boag
    
    specific plans to grow the economy
    
    Where can I read them? Anything more than billions on roads over the next decade or two? Not that I am against roads ….
    
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    July 29, 2020 1:28pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      They literally announced a policy today to help people start their own businesses.
      They also have the subsidy for new jobs.
      The roads are relevant too of course.
      National haven’t announced many policies yet (obviously) but most are looking towards economic growth.
      
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      July 29, 2020 2:38pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Is that you, Twyford?
  
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  July 29, 2020 12:00pm
Chris Morgan

Is Tova desperate to be our Jim Acosta? She is really beginning to embarrass herself. Just when we thought the coast was clear when Gower took off.
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July 29, 2020 9:55am
- stigie
  
  She has her sights set on Judith alright and to embarrass her with shit questions, hope Judith can take it to her and hopefully close the nasty b***h down !~
  
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  July 29, 2020 11:20am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I think Tova can’t decide whether to channel Jim Acosta, Brian Stelter, or Occasional-Cortex…
  
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  July 29, 2020 12:04pm
bennerg

When did New Zealand change it’s name?

On the Newshub website this morning:

“The Chinese Foreign Ministry has called on New Zealand to “correct its mistake” after Aotearoa suspended its extradition treaty with Hong Kong.”
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July 29, 2020 9:57am
- fernglas
  
  At least with the flag we had a say in it. This is name change by stealth. I don’t mind changing the name if that’s what the majority want, but doing it through the agency of bureaucrats and journalists is not acceptable.
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:11am
- MCos
  
  FYI
  The name Aotearoa has been in common usage since the nineteenth century.
  The Māori version of the national anthem was writing in 1878. Eight years after the English version.
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:50am
  - Jack5
    
    “Aotearoa” was originally Maori for the North Island.
    
    Because we have two main languages, “Aotearoa” is Maori for New Zealand, and “New Zealand” is English for Aotearoa.
    
    “Aotearoa New Zealand” is Woke, and RNZ Pidgin, for some Leftists’ mythical South Seas Utopia.
    
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    July 29, 2020 11:18am
    - Steve Todd
      
      I see the non-responses continue to flood in, Jack. NZ Pidgin, indeed!
      
      Keep whacking away, mate. Someone is bound to agree with you, one day. Heh, heh. So funny.
      
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      July 29, 2020 4:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well so far Jack has 11 upticks
        Heh heh So funny
        
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        July 29, 2020 4:14pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        It’s a right-wing blogsite, for goodness sake. LOL. What would you expect, lol?
        
        Anyone can uptick, lol. But no-one ever seems to put up a comment agreeing with him. LOL.
        
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        July 29, 2020 4:21pm
    - bennerg
      
      Jack5 – look at the sentence construction in the original article, and it becomes nonsensical. My family call me by a familiar name, however in formal situations I have to use my legal name. In reporting this situation, Newshub should use the correct (and formal) name for our nation, and certainly not a formal and informal version all in the same sentence.
      
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      July 29, 2020 5:11pm
JibberJabber

I’m guessing Wilsons career is over, one ill thought out comment and goooone…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12351756

He should probably give Campbell a knuckle sandwich as he goes out the door just to make it worth it IMHO 😀.
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July 29, 2020 9:59am
- fernglas
  
  She wanted to make a dick out of herself on TV and got her wish; the only reason that segment was shown was to laugh at her. The reporter was a young guy who got out of order, but where is the criticism of Campbell for allowing the clip in the first place?
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:14am
  - hilaryt
    
    fern..you mean John ‘we don’t punch down’ Campbell?
    
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    July 29, 2020 4:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Herald did not mention ‘workplace bullying’ by NZ’s biggest cock Campbell
  
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  July 29, 2020 10:26am
- Roger
  
  I hope his career isn’t over but can you imagine the stultifying boredom of having to deal with the thought police on Breakfast?
  Maybe its better if he is given the arse then can put his talents to better use somewhere else.
  
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  July 29, 2020 12:47pm
Yvette

Peter Williams (Magic Talk) seems to believe charging or requiring part payment for hotel detentions is against the New Zealand Bill of Rights, the right to freedom of movement.

But since such detention assumes you may not comply with medical requirements for two weeks until you are declared free of infection, does it not simply also deny your “right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law”?

See, New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 –
25 Minimum standards of criminal procedure
Everyone who is charged with an offence has, in relation to the determination of the charge, the following minimum rights:
(c) the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law
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July 29, 2020 10:02am
- fernglas
  
  No-one has yet been charged with an offence when they go into isolation
  
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  July 29, 2020 2:26pm
sooty

Are Labours quarantine rules driven by how many votes they can get out of overseas voters?
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July 29, 2020 10:18am
Bobba Fret

Does any one know if the Labour govt has managed to implement the Cov-19 pay reduction yet?
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July 29, 2020 10:35am
- sooty
  
  Lefties giving up some of the trough?
  You have got to be kidding!
  
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  July 29, 2020 1:54pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Yes, Jacinda said so, but the instructions were sent by flying pigs, so don’t count on it happening anytime soon.
  
  Of course if Cindy was sincere all it would have taken is one 2 minute phone call. Or better still, she could have cut a cheque for $100k to the St Johns Ambulance.
  
  But Cindy and all her socialist mates are greedy materialists at heart.
  
  So another one of the world’s greatest lies.
  
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  July 29, 2020 2:20pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Cindy is fustraded that it is taking so long.
  
  Seriously, ACT and National ought to give them both barrels over this. Blantant self serving hypocrisy from Ardern. As usual she is capable of basking in the glory in front of the TV cameras while making the announcement – complete tits at delivering the outcome.
  
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  July 29, 2020 3:57pm
Swifty

Killing toddlers with cancer:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/bravo/news/122280166/golfer-camilo-villegas-22monthold-daughter-mia-dies-after-battle-with-cancerous-tumors

Why would a god cause or allow this to happen? Whatever did the child do to deserve this?
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July 29, 2020 10:42am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I don’t think we make our gods any better than ourselves. They come with the same laziness, spite, jealousy, wrath, envy, entitlement and direct or vicarious cruelty as we do. They sometimes also manage to get it right, as we sometimes do, too.
  
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  July 29, 2020 12:10pm
Jack5

Portland, Oregon, has had its 61st consecutive day of street protests.

Federal officers again used tear gas.

The City Council, run by Democrats, a week or so ago banned Portland police from working with the Federal agents.

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/portland-protests-return-for-61st-day-after-weekend-of-large-crowds-clashes-with-officers.html
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July 29, 2020 10:48am
- RiP NZ
  
  Jack…you’re mistaken surely.
  Democrat supporters here assured us this was false, or Trumps fault, or both.
  Portland is utopia!
  
  Trump detractors remind me of this.. same EQ
  https://youtu.be/iDuMp2kDxos
  
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  July 29, 2020 11:25am
  - Batman
    
    I don’t think anyone said it was utopia, just not the fevered Marxist revolution being dreamed up by the conservative media bubble.
    
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    July 29, 2020 12:12pm
    - RiP NZ
      
      BLM by their own admission, are Marxists.
      How else would you describe their subsequent civil unrest, violence and destruction?
      
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      July 29, 2020 12:53pm
- Rich Prick
  
  “Peaceful” protests are known for their plumes of smoke, broken glass, graffiti and the sound of gunfire. They’re street parties in the summer of love. If you’re a deluded Dem.
  
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  July 29, 2020 2:13pm
Bevan

A fund manager doesn’t like Nationals recent announcement about accessing kiwi saver to start a business …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/122279325/national-party-policy-to-fund-startups-with-kiwisaver-nuts-provider-says

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!

And in other news that may surprise you, criminals dont like tougher sentencing…
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July 29, 2020 11:17am
- Prince
  
  >..and people in quarantine don’t want to pay for it.
  And everyone wants more funding, paid for by someone else.
  See it all on your TV screens at 6pm.
  
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  July 29, 2020 12:17pm
- burt
  
  Taking money out to buy a house is fine, but starting a business is a disaster.
  
  Still, I guess that makes sense since we live in a country where the only way people get wealthy is by buying and selling houses to each other.
  
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  July 29, 2020 1:34pm
Libertarians are right

Quick question:
Is there any ministerial portfolio with more direct ministerial discretion regarding operating decisions than Minister of Immigration?

That Minister seems to be the final word on any questionable immigration decisions.
There aren’t many Ministers with any direct power over the operations of their ministry like that.

It also means that weirdly, the Minister of Immigration must be held to a higher standard than everyone else because their portfolio is one where blackmail and bribery are a real risk due to the fact they have sole discretion on questionable applications.

You certainly don’t want a Minister that is cheating on their wife to have a role where someone could threaten him with telling his wife unless he used his ministerial discretion to their advantage.
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July 29, 2020 11:51am
- burt
  
  If people had that sort of lever over them they may made decisions which don’t make sense….
  
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  July 29, 2020 1:29pm
- MCos
  
  Dr Johnathon Coleman was Minister of Immigration when Peter Thiel’s application for citizenship was successful.
  If ever there was a case of our passport being flogged off for little gain to our country that was it.
  One wonders why. Did he have stars in his eyes?
  
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  July 29, 2020 2:59pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    While I agree with you, MCos, it was Nathan Guy, the Minister of Internal Affairs in 2011, who approved Thiel’s citizenship application. Guy became Minister of Immigration following the 2011 General Election.
    
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    July 29, 2020 4:02pm
kowtow

If mask wearing is the great pandemic buster , how come HK’s got a third wave?
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July 29, 2020 1:32pm
- burt
  
  We’re all going to get it one way or another – we’ve had vaccines for the flu for decades and we still get that too.
  
  Follow the money, hydroxychloroquine works but the real pay dirt is in developing new vaccines.
  
  We were going to be doing blind trials with hydroxychloroquine, anyone know how they went?
  
  https://www.hrc.govt.nz/news-and-events/new-research-studies-set-help-local-and-global-fight-against-covid-19
  
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  July 29, 2020 1:44pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  And if masks are so protective, why is it that Teh Awforities are releasing criminals from prison, rather than just make every criminal wear a mask in prison?
  
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  July 29, 2020 4:25pm
burt

So… I see on Stuff…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300068310/live-people-entering-new-zealand-could-be-charged-up-to-3100-for-quarantine-stay

Law changes requiring payment for managed quarantine are coming into effect soon, Minister Woods announced.

I guess that will be a few months from now because the law change to reduce MPs pay is still in the queue.
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July 29, 2020 1:32pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300067783/thieves-make-off-with-town-playground

Ah, the Waikato. The cradle of NZ’s civilisation.
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July 29, 2020 1:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The duck better keep his eye on that slide outside Parliament
  
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  July 29, 2020 4:09pm
Rich Prick

You have to laugh, Dominos runs a “Karen” campaign and it, well, brings out all the Karens.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/122278749/dominos-pizzas-karen-promo-criticised-for-being-tone-deaf
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July 29, 2020 2:05pm
- Garbageman
  
  well colour me surprised a university lecturer that actually doesn’t appear on the surface to be a total nutjob
  “Auckland University of Technology senior lecturer Sommer Kapitan says Domino’s irreverent humour fits Kiwi and Australian culture”
  
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  July 29, 2020 3:08pm
  - sooty
    
    Just been awarded a “Karen”.
    Bloody woke nut job!
    
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    July 29, 2020 10:30pm
burt

Well this tells us pretty much all we need to know about the legality of lock down;

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122272765/risk-of-unintended-consequences-if-lockdown-ruled-unlawful-court-told

An example was given on Wednesday of a business which received rent relief on the basis it was not able to open, and the consequences if the restriction stopping it trading was then found to have been unlawful.
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July 29, 2020 2:52pm
Engelbert Humperdink

There need to be consequences for people who voted in and still admire a scofflaw government. Caveat bleeding emptor, ysb…
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July 29, 2020 4:26pm
Swifty

Recent thinking and research on Denisovans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWaREXA8_fE
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July 29, 2020 4:50pm
Benedict Yu

Looking at the Victorian lock down restrictions.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-02/victoria-coronavirus-restrictions-imposed-death-toll-cases-rise/12515914

They are described as a full on response to a looming disaster, yet they fall well short of New Zealand’s Level 4 rules. e.g butchers, bakers, and liquor stores are all open. You can exercise with one other person of your choosing.

It kind of shows how over the top New Zealand was – esp. giving supermarkets a monopoly on all food provision.
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