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jacob

Covid Chanel has done it again!

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=198571585115614&id=101916541447786

Bets on response?
* Angry
* Disappointed
* Saddened
* Deeply concerned
* Gutted
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September 1, 2020 8:01am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  I saw all those numpties yesterday wearing their masks.
  
  1. The best protection comes from a N95 mask, I did not see anybody wearing one.
  2. The surgical masks do not protect you, they help prevent you passing on germs to patients. You wear them to protect others not yourself, do you have the virus?
  3. The temporary masks are designed for short term use, a few hours at best. This is because we breathe out water vapour that collects in the mask, this moisture acts as a virus trap, so worse than not wearing a Mask at all.
  
  Now where are the antibody test kits to tell us how prevalent the spread has been, like the ones used overseas, oh yes the MOH has just banned them subject to being tested, they have no time to test them.
  
  Seriously people grow a pair, I would rather live free and die standing than live like a slave on my knees.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:44am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Mr B – yesterday at our town’s largest supermarket I stopped, as a good brainwashed team member, to sign the tracing register.
    I was very excited to see that Donald J. Trump was in the building having signed same paper just before me!!
    I quickly put on my MAGA themed face mask (made by a friend) and went directly to the cleaning products aisle.
    All stock of personal disinfectants cleared off the shelves – so the Don must be here somewhere.
    Didn’t bother with alcohol area as I understand he is not a drinker – but thought maybe toilet paper would have been a goer.
    Was just in time to large man surrounded by other large men talking into their lapels rush out door with loads of paper.
    By the way, I was only one in there wearing a ?.
    And someone asked me if it was a Jacinda one.
    South Island, you see.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:16am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Dear Leader will be disappointed that you are not a member of the team of 5 million….don’t make her angry…
    
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    September 1, 2020 10:54am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Hang on a minute Sir Cullen – I correctly signed in to the tracing list and wore a mask. What more could she want?
      Not my fault that Donald J. trump was also there…….
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:23am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Why? Will we be witness to the Incredible Sulk?
      
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      September 1, 2020 1:41pm
  - Bullion
    
    This is dumb.
    
    Me wearing a mask protects you, you wearing a mask protects me. That’s why surgeons wear masks, that’s the point – stop the spread of communicable disease, in this case one that can be spread by airborne particles.
    
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    September 1, 2020 1:17pm
- dave_c_
  
  Not one mention of New Zealand, however, that other name they are pushing was mentioned.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:53am
  - Ruawai
    
    Agreed Dave-c if they want a clear message that everyone understands then use New Zealand, many immigrants would have no idea what Aotearoa is.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:05am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Don’t you worry. Their global network is strong and before long you’ll see people being berated online for using “New Zealand”.
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:31am
  - Inandout
    
    dave c, the ‘culture virus’ is alive and well in the government funded outfits that abound in NZ. Don’t ever say ‘he’ or ‘she’, it must be ‘they’ for the people missing bits of gender.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:15am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      My internal grammar checker only allows they to refer to a physical plural.
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:34am
      - Local Miller
        
        Just to be difficult, we refer to our as as yet unborn grandchild as “they” and this is grammatically correct because we don’t know their gender yet.
        Baby is due in the next few days, first grandchild and the parents opted not to be told the sex from the scans.
        So, if you honestly don’t know someones sex, it is correct to refer to them as “they” even when singular.
        
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        September 1, 2020 10:43am
  - graham
    
    Agreed.
    
    I don’t really mind too much whether “New Zealand” or “Aotearoa” is used where appropriate. But on an official New Zealand Government page, where we are supposed to be trying to get the message out to as many people as possible, as clearly as possible – ESPECIALLY following the massive stuff-up at the weekend – saying the following is pointless virtue-signalling.
    
    Gatherings for the rest of Aotearoa remain limited to one hundred people
    
    How many immigrants are going to know where “Aotearoa” is? Seriously? I have a colleague at work who struggles greatly with Maori place names, I’m willing to bet he won’t know.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:38am
    - igm
      
      We are born either male or female . . . end of story.
      If some weirdo wants to bend the rules let them do it and keep it to themselves. We, as a company, do not accept these woke references, nor this Aotearoa crap.
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:41am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Local Miller: in my day we called an u born child “it”.
        
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        September 1, 2020 4:59pm
    - Brian Marshall
      
      Graham, I am of the opinion that English being a really flexible language, can adopt words into it. However, adopting words into English where there is already an accepted and well understood word for the concept or item, adds nothing except confusion. Aotearoa is a Maori word and since New Zealand is the existing word and meaning is well understood, there is no benefit in using it in English. In fact since some English speakers around the world do not know what Aotearoa means, it actually is a disadvantage. Language should be about making ideas and meaning easily passed between people. Inserting a Maori word instead of the existing English word is just retarded.
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:15am
      - igm
        
        And nobody gives a stuff what aotearoa is, it representing idleness, and self-enititlement.
        
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        September 1, 2020 5:01pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        “Aotearoa” means “Woke of New Zealand” in English when it comes at the end of proper nouns.
        
        For example. “Rugby Aotearoa” really means “Woke Rubgy of New Zealand.”
        
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        September 1, 2020 6:19pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Yes, the last time I traveled to Deutschland and Österreich on my way to Italia, Cymru and Sverige, I was reminded how the inhabitants of those countries always insisted I should use the country’s name in their language, and I could never use the English one.
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:14pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  The masks are only good for asymptomatic people who happen to have the virus, and will help stop them passing it on. None of these homemade masks will prevent you from catching Covid.
  I guess that’s what the govt is hoping, that untested asymptomatic people happen to wear a mask to avoid the spread.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:05am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Won’t even really do that, they will stop one actually spitting on people and prevent the heavy droplets exiting, but it does appear that this virus is mostly spread in aerosoled droplets that won’t be significantly impeded by a cloth mask.
    
    And there’s still a lot of doubt around whether asymptomatic carriers actually exhibit sufficient viral load to spread it at all.
    
    And this isn’t just opinion, this is the actual results of research into the use of cloth and other masks. They are, quite simply, ineffective in preventing the spread.
    
    Good however for ensuring compliance by sheeple to prepare them for additional restrictions.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:38am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Let’s be real. The purpose of muzzles is nothing medical-related, but it is to keep people scared, thinking about the virus and therefore receptive to measures which affect their economic and civil liberties. We are being slowly conditioned on a daily basis, through images in the media and through popular sports and entertainment figures. The aim is to have us wearing them in perpetuity, forever, not for 6 months or some other such temporary time frame.
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:16am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Not according to this Ed:
      
      https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:13am
    - Bullion
      
      There are studies which look at the effectiveness of various masks, from N95 to neck gaiters, at reducing expelled droplets during speech:
      https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/07/sciadv.abd3083
      
      Chart from the study above showing the relative droplet count for the 14 different masks people may be using:
      https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/early/2020/08/07/sciadv.abd3083/F3.large.jpg
      
      Researchers tested 14 commonly available masks including a professionally fitted N95 mask, usually reserved for health care workers. First the test was performed with a speaker talking without wearing a mask. Then they did it again while a speaker was wearing a mask. Each mask was tested 10 times.
      
      The most effective mask was the fitted N95. Three-layer surgical masks and cotton masks, which many people have been making at home, also performed well.
      
      Neck fleeces, also called gaiter masks and often used by runners, were the least effective. In fact, wearing a fleece mask resulted in a higher number of respiratory droplets because the material seemed to break down larger droplets into smaller particles that are more easily carried away with air.
      
      Folded bandanas and knitted masks also performed poorly and did not offer much protection.
      
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      September 1, 2020 1:30pm
- Scott
  
  John Ratcliffe – US director of National Intelligence, said on Sunday Morning Futures on Fox news, that the virus originated in Wuhan. That the Chinese government knew it was very contagious. The Chinese suppressed that information and information about PPE and consequently the virus was allowed to spread throughout the world. If the Chinese had been upfront the virus could have been contained.
  
  I’d be interested if some NZ reporter asked our prime minister about this? Does she accept that the Chinese government was culpable in the spread of the virus? Does that alter our stance on China and the influence that Chinese business has in NZ?
  
  I know for our NZ media feelz is the most important thing but could we ask our prime minister some substantive questions on this issue?
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:15am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Scott, despite Ratcliffe’s apparent certainty on this, there’s still quite a bit of uncertainty over the initial spread and how much people were aware of the potential problems. A bit like the “attributing to malice when it can be be ascribed to incompetence” saying.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:41am
    - Batman
      
      Have to agree with you there, Ed. The timeline of the Chinese response lends itself to a “oh shit this is way worse than we thought” moment rather than willful negligence (at a central rather than city level, the city just didn’t want to report a problem).
      
      Still, that 3,000 person death toll is about as believable as a Putin denial.
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:47am
  - towaka
    
    Funny thing Scott, the virus was shown to have been in Spanish waste water in early 2019 and in Italian waste water in November 2019…but hey don’t let a few inconvenient facts get in the way of a good China bashing story!
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:10am
    - Observer of Life
      
      From what I understand there is a very high proportion of Chinese that regularly travel between northern Italy and China as cheap clothes are made in Italy by cheap Chinese labour, that way they can honestly put a label on the clothing saying “Made in Italy” and said garment then attracts a higher price. Not surprising the China flu was in the water in Italy in November.
      
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      September 1, 2020 5:03pm
- DeepBlue
  
  What is it that is wrong?
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:34am
  - Catgurl13
    
    The Covid image says we are at L2,when it’s 2.5 haha.
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:07am
    - DeepBlue
      
      There is no Level 2.5. It’s Level 2 +.5 extra wish list from Jacinda.
      
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      September 1, 2020 12:18pm
Happychappy

Jacinda loves telling the overseas media how great her plan is and how they are on track to eliminate the virus again but tells a bunch of lies when saying it is under control in NZ’s largest City especially when they have cases in Tokoroa which she conveniently forgets to tell the Jounalist interviewing her.
https://time.com/5884996/new-zealand-auckland-coronavirus-lockdown/
We are on coarse to elimate the virus once again which has always been our aim.
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September 1, 2020 8:01am
- cmm
  
  Did she also tell them how NZ managed to eliminade snake bites?
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:25am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    The snakes are in NZ Last and the ‘Greens’ (who are actually the aristocracy with their private, private schools!)
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:34am
    - pdm
      
      A few `trouser snakes’ apparently get out in the Parliamentary precincts from time to time so I hear.
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:43am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Easiest thing she will attempt…BUT
    She will have convince me, as to how banning a drink of 1/2 beer and 1/2 cider will help.
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:52am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    mate cindy will still find a way to f**k that up.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:03am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  They are never going to eliminate an infectious flu type virus, never have never will.
  
  We are going to have to learn to live with it.
  
  What does not kill you makes you stronger.
  
  Yet somehow we went from flatten the curve to elimination.
  
  With the resulting multi generational economic carnage.
  
  So the best option is to follow Taiwans lead paint, close the borider, massive fail. Isolate those most at risk, massive fail. Test test test, massive fail. Contact trace, yet another massive fail.
  
  What have we succeeded at?
  
  Throwing huge sums of money, we don’t have, around like drunken sailors.
  
  What happens when you pay the power bill on your credit card, and you reach your limit.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:56am
  - IC5000
    
    > Throwing huge sums of money, we don’t have, around like drunken sailors.
    
    Good question to ask Scomo since he doubled Australia’s debt BEFORE covid. But since he’s a ‘conservative’ that question will be safely ignored.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      Which country has the best ability to pay down debt, Australia under Scott Morrison or New Zealand with cindy?
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:57am
      - IC5000
        
        Weak deflection. Try again.
        
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        September 1, 2020 10:33am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        “Weak deflection. Try again”
        
        Says the guy who deflects away from talk of NZ’s massive lockdown debt to irrelevant talk of Scott Morrison’s pre-lockdown spending. Never, ever stop commenting.
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Deflection”?
        
        Reality my friend unless you’d be happy with a million dollar mortgage on $50k per annum.
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:37am
    - Bevan
      
      You’re on the wrong page bro, surely there are a few Aussie blogs for you to rant on instead…
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:06am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Irrelevant. Who cares? Stick to the topic if your can. The comment is talking about NZ and the huge lockdown costs, not engaging in whataboutism regarding a foreign state.
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:27am
      - IC5000
        
        > Irrelevant. Who cares?
        
        Clearly not someone concerned with hypocrisy and consistency.
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:11am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        I’m consistently unconcerned about what is happening in Australia.
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:54am
    - coge
      
      The Battlers love Scomo. Just look at his polling. And they loved him even more, when Bill Shorten told them, “This election is all about climate change”
      
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      September 1, 2020 6:46pm
- Justitia
  
  The management of COVID in this country has always been political which is why Labour has been unwilling to cooperate with the Opposition in a spirit of national unity. The decision to lift restrictions on Auckland is an enormous political gamble. It is a de facto admission that elimination is no longer the government’s strategy, even if they continue to insist it is. They have deliberately taken a decision to risk the spread of the virus throughout the country because they fear a loss of political support in our biggest city and the election is imminent. So what’s the backup plan?:https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12361053
  
  Our track and trace system has shown to be inadequate for this fast spreading virus. We have relied instead on the blunt instrument of lockdowns which we can no longer sustain economically. We are now Sweden, but without a plan. Maybe it’s time to get your hands on some of those New Age crystals from the James Shaw Philanthropic Institute for Green Fakery and Mental Delusion?
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:03am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Spreading; tracing; lockdowns. Who cares? It’s all an irrelevant distraction. Just get back to living life. But they don’t want us to.
    
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    September 1, 2020 10:30am
- Ruawai
  
  Hipkins this morning said all cases are linked when they are not all linked. The Tokoroa case is a nurse so that could have spread to other patients.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:07am
MT_Tinman

Before bed last night a quick perusal of the Labour party propaganda sites showed every one carrying a story of the latest MoH f@#k-up; the sending of C-19 test results to strangers.

Obviously the LP damage control division were working overtime through the small hours and this morning only Newshub are now showing the details – well down the page.

Every propaganda site is leading with “praise the saviour” brainwashing instead.

That sort of dedication from the damage control division must be bloody expensive.

How much are we paying for it?
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September 1, 2020 8:01am
- WaynelSexton
  
  It’s always been like this. Just wait till National is back in power, the media will bring back shows like Campbell Live, Holmes etc so they can hammer the National party every night at prime time.
  
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  September 1, 2020 11:30am
mikenmildagain

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It’s Random Acts of Kindness Day. Some suggestions:
Pay for an extra coffee and ask the barista to give to the next person who comes in
Put a nice note inside a library book when you return it
Leave an encouraging note in your neighbour’s letterbox
Send a nice text to someone
Take a cake to work
Let a car into the traffic ahead of you
Mow the neighbour’s berm
Bring your neighbour’s bins in on rubbish day
Pay the bus fare for the passenger behind you
Donate clothes to charity
Pick up litter around your neighbourhood

Or, make an appreciative comment on Kiwiblog instead of your normal rants and raves.
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September 1, 2020 8:03am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Cindys made every day for months kindness day so most of us are over it.
  I gave a downtick as im sure itll bring a lil happiness to a few on here 🙂
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:09am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Why are you wasting time and energy on someone who thinks that debating the facts is not useful.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:08am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      cindys left me jobless so dont really have much else to do at the moment.
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:05am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Or, make an appreciative comment on Kiwiblog instead of your normal rants and raves.
  
  Bugger that!
  
  Rants and raves are too much fun to give up for bloody strangers!
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:09am
  - Ed Snack
    
    The rants and raves ARE a kindness – get some really good laughs from some of them.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:43am
- Happychappy
  
  Has Jacinda been giving you lessons MM as I have never seen you post something so caring and kind, so I will reward with a uptick.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  Let a dangerous man out early.
  
  ‘A man who conned his way into a woman’s home then stabbed her with scissors has been released from prison two years early.’
  
  ‘As she struggled to repel Chilcott, he pulled a pair of scissors from his pocket and thrust them into her neck with such force she felt the blade hit the roof of her mouth.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/anger-dealt-attacker-gets-parole
  
  Victims lives matter?
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:13am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Kowtow- I read through the linked article imagining that at the end there would be a sentence about how the viciously attacked woman and her vulnerable child were doing.
    But, no.
    All about the crim – nothing about the victims.
    Too bad, eh.
    So long as the criminal has “gotten over” his issues, that’s the main thing……..
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:29am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    As angry little man is on record saying.
    
    You have to expect some collateral damage.
    
    How’s that for kind and caring.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:10am
- JibberJabber
  
  Heh Mikey, those of us who don’t need to be exhorted to “be nice” daily (ie, non Labour voters)
  do those things anyway.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:14am
  - Debsta
    
    Haha just what I was thinking. I do most of those things often, because I’m a reasonably decent human being. But I also call bullshit on the hypocrisy of the left, and have never understood the socialist claim on saintliness when so much evil is wrought by it under the guise of “help”. Thinking voters are required now more than ever!
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:53am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      Thinking you say.
      
      They probably think it is a kindness to teach our children what to think not how to think.
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:13am
- cmm
  
  If you do something that is suggested then it isn’t random.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:14am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Yeah, I too can think of lots of reasons not to do anything nice for anyone else.
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:18am
    - JackRabbit
      
      That you do, every day, by expressing yourself on Kiwiblog.
      
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      September 1, 2020 8:26am
    - cmm
      
      I do plenty of nice things for many people, but not because some people think we should have a “random acts of kindness day”.
      
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      September 1, 2020 8:26am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        I do plenty of nice things
        
        Me too.
        
        Why, just yesterday I stopped short to allow a courier van to pull out in front of me.
        
        ………………… I wonder if my mind is finally going 🙁
        
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        September 1, 2020 8:32am
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        exactly, its called being a decent human being.
        
        to be prompted to do something nice 1 day per year probably makes you a miserable POR that deserves many misfortunes.
        
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        September 1, 2020 8:32am
- Tony Stuart
  
  An uptick from me today mikenmild; that’s my random act of kindness done for the day, and I can now revert to being a grumpy old git!
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:37am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Tony, just don’t get caught sending memes of Jacinda. Else you’ll send the Laiebore trolls into a foaming fervour of unkindness on Facebook.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:10am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      Hullkiwi, the vile nastiness and racism directed at Judith Collins’ husband is just the tip of nastiness from the left. They accuse the right of all sorts of acts, but they themselves demonstrate in spades. So much projection. So much projection…
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:23am
- Gravelroad
  
  M&M – I was going to uptick this but then you had to go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like “I hate You”.
  With apologies to Mr and Ms Sinatra.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:49am
- JibberJabber
  
  Hey Mikey, buy ur own coffee ?, stop letting the person behind you go first.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:52am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Buy my own coffee? That’s crazy talk!
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:10am
    - JibberJabber
      
      ?
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:29am
- Random T Person
  
  I gave my wife $15,000 this morning, does that count :-)?
  A great day to you Mike.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:03am
  - Paulus
    
    I too gave my wife product of many years Premium Bonds cancellation, in my account this morning, most promptly ANZ – well done.
    Am back to poor again !
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:12am
- Inandout
  
  ‘Something that’s random is lacking in order, plan, or purpose – or weird, odd or out of place’.
  Another random contribution by m&m.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:20am
- softail 1450
  
  M M A, Share your positive STD results with all your neighbors ,it might not be kind but it’ll make them laugh or possibly cry…
  
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  September 1, 2020 10:18am
Maggy Wassilieff

these particular comments “are genuinely racist and should not be tolerated by anyone”.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/judith-collins-husband-david-wong-tung-subject-of-racist-comments-after-sharing-anti-jacinda-ardern-social-media-posts.html

Just in case some folks on the Left need reminding…
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September 1, 2020 8:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed Maggy. This delightful “lady” describles Mr Wong-Tung as a “half breed”, and suggests Ms Collins should “put it back in its cage”
  
  https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1300496264870543360
  
  Obviously, the PM’s memo about being kind wasn’t as widely circulated as she intended.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:08am
  - Swifty
    
    Appalling.
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m the final product of a lot of “half breeds” as well. Half Australian heritage half New Zealand.
    
    But then I have half Northern UK and half Southern UK.
    
    But then I have half Irish heritage and half Cornish heritage.
    
    But then I have half UK convict with half Aboriginal.
    
    But then I have half Sober thought and half completely “Irrational” thought.
    
    I think all my halves add up to a whole but it seems labour’s heritage takes them down a hole.
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:37am
  - JibberJabber
    
    I’m guessing Angie hasn’t gotten out of bed yet and realised she’s gone viral, her FB page is still up LoL.
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:45am
    - Mr_Blobby
      
      Probably a feral and unemployed.
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:16am
  - herb1
    
    Her FB profile motto preaches love.
    For some one living in Rotorua she seems very racist.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:00am
  - Gravelroad
    
    TS: do you remember @tarnbabe67 from 2014?
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11334613
    
    Mrs Cunliffe with secret attack twitter acct.
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:18am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Good Lord! No, I’d completely forgotten Mrs Cunliffe’s attempt to defend her now-ex-husband.
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:35am
  - artemisia
    
    That tweet, with the tweeter’s name firmly attached, deserves to go viral.
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:46am
- JibberJabber
  
  https://twitter.com/NZNationalMemes/status/1300336409614495745
  
  https://twitter.com/NZNationalMemes/status/1300259357511176195
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:09am
- Raphael
  
  I thought what David Wong-Tung posted was amusing (and I agree with the sentiment behind them).
  
  There is the question of whether or not, as the partner of the leader of the opposition he should have posted them…..
  
  I would say no, purely from the POV of it garnered sympathy for Our Glorious Leader.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:11am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Any sympathy garnered for Our Glorious Leader can be quickly eroded when her supporters attack Collins’ husband with racist epithets and wrongly categorise his retweeting of memes as “active misogyny”.
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:13am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      But is alleged “misogyny” really such a crime against humanity? In fact, you could ask the same question about alleged “racism” too. Surely people can express a personal opinion, even if some don’t like it. Even if a lot don’t like it. Words are words, not violence as we are told.
      
      Those of us on the right make the mistake of arguing from a leftist paradigm (a lot of so-called right wingers are actually liberals). And because we aren’t leftists , we aren’t ever going to win by starting from this foundation. If we don’t buy into the accepted as self-evident leftist moral framework, where sexism and racism are the cardinal sins, then no defence is necessary. Playing their game is a losing strategy.
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:49am
- G152
  
  Yup.
  I had this sort of feeling that David is not European by descent and therefore any-one casting aspersions on him is a racist…
  But then the left are very good at double speak
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:14am
- igm
  
  It seems Judith’s husband is pilloried for stating facts yet Jethro gets a free pass whenever he oversteps the mark wih his absurd and childish pro-Ardern/Communist rhetoric.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300096072/election-2020-judith-collins-says-she-cant-control-husband-after-series-of-antijacinda-ardern-facebook-posts
  Good Lord, $50 million subsistence preoduces weird outcomes. Sooner Stuff are in the gutter the better for us alll.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:15am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    An image of the Prime Minister coloured green, labelled “The Incredible Sulk” and captioned “You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry” – is “stating facts”?
    
    No, it isn’t. It’s satire; it’s legitimate expression of opinion; it’s actually quite funny. But to call it “stating facts” is to devalue truth and objectivity.
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:28am
    - gorse
      
      The good thing about Stuff and others giving this story oxygen is that the whole country got to see the “jokes”. A great dose of unintended consequences. I laughed at the “incredible sulk” picture. Wouldn’t have seen it but for the media. Well done them.
      
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      September 1, 2020 12:41pm
  - yossarian
    
    …and Jacinda saying that some no name rapper was one of her favourite artists, after he was singing about raping John Key’s daughter gets no mention????
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:52am
    - igm
      
      Yes, that was Scott, and Ardern sanctioned it . . . yet we are threatened with banning when mentioning anything derogatory regarding this vile communist unelected PM.
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:02am
    - herb1
      
      It’s worse than that. She was caught out last year I think in a Stuff article, where it came out she was having private txt discussions with Ardern over Police operational matters.
      She is obviously close to him and she refused to condemn him for writing about killing her political rival and raping his daughter.
      Kind of explains her attempted coverups of the sexual abuse cases in her camp
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:00am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        If Judith can’t control her husband how will she get on with a whole country?
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:18am
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        Brian I think both our female party leaders have that same issue 🙂
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:24am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        herb1
        Her “camp”? Really? That sounds a bit homophobic to me …
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        If Judith can’t control her husband
        
        Oh heck…
        
        Are we meant to CONTROL our hubbies?
        
        Geez, I can now see where I’ve gone wrong for the last 43 years.
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:38am
      - Flossie
        
        We don’t actually want leaders who “control” us Brian.
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:44am
- emmess
  
  Do try to keep up
  Woke Karens are allowed to scream the n-word at black police officers now.
  So this would definitely be okay.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:25am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Look who else’s partner makes explicit tweets on social media…
  
  https://twitter.com/KiwiSAHD/status/1300522376099033088
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:17am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Excellent point – if the point we want to make is “We are no worse than Guy Williams”.
    
    Speaking personally, my ambitions are a bit more advanced than that.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:45am
  - graham
    
    This would be the same Guy Williams who, in 2018, mocked Christian music (“Brooke Fraser just won a Grammy” – YEEEEAAAASSS – “for best Christian song” – F*********K)
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11984564
    
    Funnily enough, the actual Tweet seems to no longer be available …
    
    As several people pointed out, would it have been considered acceptable if it had concerned any other religion?
    
    Wonder what Golriz Ghahraman thinks about it? You know, Golriz who, in 2019, was quoted as saying:
    
    “We’re not immune from the politics of hate speech leaking into New Zealand from all over the world and allowed to grow here unchecked. Most of us would be shocked to find our laws don’t protect religious groups, gender or the Rainbow community.”
    
    “We must make New Zealand the kind of place where we all feel truly safe and at home.”
    
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    September 1, 2020 10:05am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes Maggy, and in the wake of 15th March 2019, it was the left who started the thr PR clamour that anyone who was right wing was a nasty extremist, facist, racist.
  
  Well now we see the dirty truth, it was nothing more than a PR smoke screen by a bunch of lying hypocrites!
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:24am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I don’t think it was particularly smart of Judith’s husband to put those memes out, however it has certainly highlighted what a nasty and racist lot the left can be. Unfortunately, the media will highlight the memes he put out, but probably wont even mention the racist abuse he’s now received.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:27am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Yeah, but we all know by this stage that the hackneyed phrase “the left accuse others of doing exactly what they do” is one of the most securely true propositions ever uttered. It is as indubitably secure as any demonstrable mathematical or geometrical proof. The rule is: If they call you x, then they are x.
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:00am
- Fletch
  
  It’s funny how it all depends who is being targeted. In the U.S the media and the Left seem fine with George Conway and his daughter attacking Trump while his wife Kelly-Ann works for Trump. Although she is just about to leave the job he has been at it for the last couple of years.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:44am
Yvette

The truth in some current blunders may relate more to Ardern trying to be Prime Minister, who should at this stage be fairly fully involved in trying to get Labour re-elected, and Health Minister, which requires as full an involvement of a team doing what is best for the well-being of all New Zealanders. Ardern may be smart here and there, but not clever enough to do both.

“I think as the Prime Minister indicated yesterday, there is some sensitivity around paid advertising at the moment because we’re in the regulated period, and I think that meant officials didn’t run the wording of those advertisements passed us in the way they might’ve done previously” – Hipkins. [1]

When the original Health Minister David Clark finally stood himself down as a distraction, after a string of counter-productive performances including a back-firing attempt to throw Ashley Bloomfield “under the bus”, Ardern appointed Hipkins, an already overloaded minister, to head Health and continues with Bloomfield, but herself acts so much as Minister of Health that she is indistinguishable from Hipkins efforts.
See? – fucking madness.

Then on top of that, Ardern has dismissed Labour’s participation in producing any major Election policies – her job is to fight covid, she says. But that fight is now inextricably bound with Labour’s Election efforts and the above Hipkins’ quote indicates the crap that is happening.

If Labour fucks up building as many houses as they say, or finally can not make a decision on Auckland light rail so just dump it, or lie in counting Forestry’s re-plantings in their Shane Jones’s total but take no account of the greater number of mature trees Forestry elsewhere whacks down to send to China, it all leaves me to consider their non-delivery another day.

But as my health places me among the many vulnerable, if they fuck up their control of the virus, it could kill me, which would really spoil my day – but of course not their’s.

But then, more simply, how smart are their communications and monitoring of those themselves, when one message – as wrong as the current “all in South and West Auckland get tested” – can remain in circulation for the several days that it did?

The buck should stop with the Ministers of Health, all four of them.

’We will always fix it’: Jacinda Ardern’s promise to NZ over COVID-19 mistakes
May not be a big help if you are dead

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/coronavirus-incorrect-auckland-testing-information-kept-online-due-to-issues-lost-in-translation-chris-hipkins.html
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September 1, 2020 8:04am
- RW Capitalist
  
  How could Hipkins not notice.
  a week or so ago he bragged they had 300 000 test kits
  Then advertised that all 700 000 South Aucklanders should get tested.
  Q: Should someone that doesn’t know even the basic numbers, or can’t count, be in charge of such an important agency, at this time?
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    May be Hipkins should go back to just looking after education and be Leader of the House….
    
    Jobs where counting should be a requisite skill…
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:02am
  - Bob
    
    Hipkins proved that he can’t count when under pressure on the first day of the COL appearance in Parliament. The now disgraced JLR out counted him.
    
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    September 1, 2020 12:03pm
- Mr_Blobby
  
  The vaccine will go to the party faithful first.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:25am
  - Flossie
    
    Good. I don’t want to be a guinea pig.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:51am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Good, they can be the guinea pigs.
    
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    September 1, 2020 5:35pm
All_on_Red

‘A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades.’
‘ fraud is more the rule than the exception. His dirty work has taken him through the weeds of municipal and federal elections in Paterson, Atlantic City, Camden, Newark, Hoboken and Hudson County and his fingerprints can be found in local legislative, mayoral and congressional races across the Garden State. Some of the biggest names and highest office holders in New Jersey have benefited from his tricks, according to campaign records The Post reviewed.’
https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/
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September 1, 2020 8:05am
- mikenmildagain
  
  “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”
  — Donald J. Trump, November 27, 2016
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:29am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Triggered!
    Poor old fella
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:07am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yeah, sometimes I feel a bit sorry for Trumpy, too. But not often, and never for long.
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:13am
      - Tall Man
        
        President of the USA, nice tidy bank account, lovely wife and family …. yep he really needs your sympathy.
        
        He’s at the top of the pile whatever you think of him and where are you?
        
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        September 1, 2020 9:53am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Tall Man
        Exactly. Does anyone seriously believe that Donald J Trump cares, or even knows, about some Trump-obsessed scrote holed-up somewhere down in the South Pacific?
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:03am
  - Ed Snack
    
    And possibly correct, knowing the scale of Democrat vote laundering. But we’ll never know, because for a start the state of California will simply not allow any investigation into vote irregularities – and they are the relevant authority on that in their state.
    
    Judicial Watch did succeed via a law suit in getting one Ca county to purge over 1.5M electors from the rolls as they were not able to be demonstrated to be valid entries. The number of registered voters comfortably exceeded the number of actual inhabitants, but no doubt the Democrats were happy to have those votes roll in for them regularly.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:50am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      But there was an investigation of voter fraud:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity
      How did that work out?
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:35am
Tony Stuart

Welcome to spring!

MetService
@MetService
Level 1:
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September 1, 2020 8:05am
wimpston peeeders

Cindy needs all the help she can get and I think their “lets keep moving” slogan is no longer fit for purpose due to the actions this govt have taken, its more bunny hops from a learner driver.
so today free of charge ill provide cindy with a new slogan that sums up her govt, leadership and achievements perfectly…

shoulda, woulda, coulda.

youre welcome cindy, you can also use it as a convenient excuse everyday when your explaining yet another epic failure 🙂
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September 1, 2020 8:05am
- lifesgood
  
  Oh, be fair, she’s been true to the slogan. We are moving backwards and forwards and backwards and forwards and backwards ad infinitum through lockdown stages. Sarc.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:32am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Personally, I think National should have used this as its campaign slogan this year:
  
  Let’s do this – properly!
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:34am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    The leadership crisis Tony? They certainly had enough goes at it.
    Not a bad idea but I don’t think the public’s memory is that short.
    The most effective of the National line up at the moment seems to be Dr Reti but he’s not captured at the top of the party where it looks he should be, and he’s possibly too Maori for the luvvies but he sure looks like a leading representative of the future. I don’t think anyone could genuinely fault his ideas and experience. He’s a very learned fellow and humble to go with it.
    His comments over the weekend about the health system were inspired. He doesn’t display the need to throw things out and replace them with something argued to be better rather than to put the effort into improving systems that are already functioning.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:16am
    - Flossie
      
      Remind me Brian – how many leaders did Labour go through before they settled on The One? Six weeks out from the election of 2017 (which they didn’t actually win, just the post election “negotiations” that were always going to be in their favour).
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:28am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        I’m not a Labour person Flossie, but it was heaps before they found their shiner. The question now is whether JC is a shiner.
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:56am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Racist little prick aren’t you Brian.
      
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      September 1, 2020 9:51am
      - Sigmund Freud
        
        Q: How can you tell a McDonald from any other clansmen?
        
        A: Lift his kilt laddie, and see if he has a quarter pounder.
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:02am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        I’m not little and I’m not racist. Perhaps where you come from shiner means a black eye.
        
        a thing that shines or reflects light.
        “moonlight blanked the weakest shiners, but the powerful stars were gleaming”
        2.
        INFORMAL
        a black eye.
        “his shiner was throbbing”
        
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        September 1, 2020 12:04pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      Brian McD- your description of Dr Shane Reti reminds me of someone.
      Let me think?
      Maori heritage
      Very learned fellow and humble to go with it
      Ideas and experience
      Doesn’t display the need to throw things out etc etc
      Sounds a bit like Simon Bridges – but he wasn’t good enough.
      Spoke funny and people on Twitter didn’t like him.
      And the polls months ago……….
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:06am
      - Sigmund Freud
        
        When Simon and Paula were leading National the racist media made it very clear that Maori should not be in positions of power in Aotearoa and intentionally ridiculed them for MONTHS!
        
        INSANE!!!
        
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        September 1, 2020 11:04am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Odd thing is I believe Simon came into himself under what would have been pressure for others – losing the leadership. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him bounce back. I think people like battlers and he was a not tear shedder.
        
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        September 1, 2020 12:08pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The most effective of the National line up at the moment seems to be Dr Reti but he’s not captured at the top of the party where it looks he should be, and he’s possibly too Maori for the luvvies but he sure looks like a leading representative of the future.
      
      What a bizarre thing to say Brian. Dr Reti, who has only been in Parliament since 2014, is ranked #5, behind Judith Collins, Gerry Brownlee, Paul Goldsmith and Simon Bridges. That’s certainly “captured at the top of the party” as far as I am concerned.
      
      As for your suggestion that he’s “possibly too Maori”, what does that matter? As it happens, he’s one of two Maori in the top five of National, and he’s there on merit. Can the same be said of Kelvin Davis?
      
      I have no doubt whatsoever that Dr Reti will be an outstanding Health Minister, possibly in as soon as two months.
      
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      September 1, 2020 10:28am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        He’d be a better PM or deputy. Nice to hear your belated praising of him Tony but I can’t recall your resistance at him being ranked in the late teens previously.
        
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        September 1, 2020 12:11pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Brian, are you in keeping with your racist Labour troll mates? Because your post certainly infers:
      
      You have forgotten that both Bridges and Bennett were 1 & 2 on National’s front bench for over 2 years.;
      Bridges and Reti are on the front bench; and
      You clearly don’t watch the AM Show each Friday morning at 7.20am.
      
      Finally, in the case of the Labour Deputy any comments aimed his direction, reflect his lack of ability as a Minister. Even his own party go out of their way to ensure he doesn’t have to front to the media.
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:11am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Racist, Labour troll mates? You’ve lost the plot hullkiwi.
        No, I haven’t forgotten where Bridges and Bennett were and how far they got dropped in another blink of many this year on the Nat’s radar screen.
        
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        September 1, 2020 12:16pm
- Gravelroad
  
  I initially thought the “let’s keep moving” slogan was trite and meaningless.
  But now I realise it was designed to brainwash people into accepting “let’s keep moving up and down the Covid levels – it’s compulsory”.
  We are having a Covid election after all, so there is planned linkage there.
  Excellent propaganda.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:38am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Every time I drive past a New Zealand First election hoarding (no doubt over the strictly enforced 100 km/h limit) I could swear it reads “Fuck Your Future.”
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  ☑️☑️Integrity, CANDO, WILLDO, DONE☑️☑️
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:52am
- alloytoo
  
  Well I won’t keep moving on public transport…….no sirree.
  
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  September 1, 2020 10:10am
JibberJabber

Breakthrough…TDS antidote/vaccine found,

https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1300496751816736770

??????
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September 1, 2020 8:07am
- Jules99
  
  Love the energy.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:51am
Tasman Terror

We need gold standard kindness today? We need to have that conversation.
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September 1, 2020 8:17am
- JackRabbit
  
  Gold standard kindness? Has Cindy resigned?
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:30am
Tall Man

While mulling over the idea of racing up to New Plymouth and shoving a few crystals in the ground or elsewhere, I thought about New Zealander of the year.

Although not really a New Zealander I thought brenton tarrant may be a possibility as he has certainly had more impact on opur country than any other I can think off ….. Shame it’s been for the worse not better.

So if tarrant is off the list what about sean hendy? His stupidity and moronic modelling, plus some “mates” in London, panicked cindy into a stupid over reaction that has virtually crippled our country and has reversed our “well being” as a country by about 25 years and he still wants us to suffer more pain.

If the criteria was “impact” only these two guys would be shoe ins.

Now, where do we find someone who has had such an impact but in the positive spectrum…….
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September 1, 2020 8:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Mittens will win.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:33am
  - sooty
    
    I up ticked micky. First time ever!
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:57am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I think it will be close between Ashley and Mittens
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:40am
    - Tall Man
      
      Mittens didn’t get the blame for fucking up at the border 🙂
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:39am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Shame it’s been for the worse not better.
  
  He brought more tourists (although, admittedly not tourist $$$ ) to NZ than the current clowns have in the current financial year.
  
  A far bigger positive than any of the other talked-about nominees – except the bloody cat who has stopped local laundry being shat on by hundreds, if not thousands, of native birds.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:17am
Happychappy

Aucklanders sent texts of strangers COVID-19 test results, how can Jacinda, Ashley Bloomfield and Chris Hipkins get this so wrong.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/coronavirus-aucklanders-sent-texts-with-total-strangers-covid-19-test-results.html
The Prime Minister and her bunch of misfits couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery, totally out of their depth.
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September 1, 2020 8:21am
- Jimmy White
  
  or a Fat Fry in a chippie
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:39am
- JackRabbit
  
  Its a repeat of fish and chip customers getting the wrong orders. There is no pride, willingness, or desire to get things right, or to have a sense of a accomplishment of a job well done.
  
  Unfortunately for the above mentioned individuals, when you are running a scam, in this case a scamdemic, there is no pride, or feeling of accomplishment. There is not satisfaction of a job well done. Just continual re-arranging of the truth to butt cover and to suit the agenda.
  
  And when you force staff or juniors to do things that they know are not honest and not right, screw ups like this are bound to happen. It may not be intentional, but it is indicative of actions by staff when their heart is not in the job, because they know the basis of the job is wrong.
  
  It is also the way the unconscious mind asserts itself when the conscious mind is forced to do things that are not right.
  
  For Christ’s sake, here we are nine months after they knew about it and still no stats on actual infection or morbidity rates.
  
  The entire lockdown, complete with 100Bn in debt, masks, social distancing etc etc etc, is all predicated on that risk. That risk is defined by % rate of infection and % rate of mortality.
  
  Unfortunately for the stooges, the ‘Covid as the new Resident Evil’ narrative has fallen off the wagon for the following reasons:
  
  1) We don’t know the mortality rate in NZ, because any testing that would reveal the true infection rate has not been done. In fact it has been avoided at all costs. A professional science team, in order to evaluate risk, would carry testing trials to ascertain those very facts. In fact any professional team, in marketing, science, management. etc would do so.
  
  Not our numpties. If this was a PhD project, it would be an outstanding fail. To avoid the spotlight about the mortality rate, the deaths stats have been removed from the NZ Covid stats page. Instead the world stats are there instead, which we now know are BS.
  
  2) As the UK has found out, for every Covid death, there are three flu deaths. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Covid is less deadly than the flu. A lot less deadly.
  
  3) The USA CDC site has been quietly updated to reflect the truth that only 6% of stated deaths with Covid were in fact due to Covid. The rest had an average of 2.5 co-morbidities, and would have been bowled over by a flu, or a bad flu.
  
  And it’s not surprising since when the Covid figures started soaring months ago, the flu deaths started dropping, both in the US and the UK. The flu figures in the US were so out of sync with reality, it indicated that weekly flu deaths in NZ were greater than flu deaths in the US. All that had happened was that flu deaths were treated as with Covid deaths, allowing unscrupulous scaremongers to paint Covid-19 as the new Resident Evil.
  
  Generally, from an overall statistical point of view, Corona Viruses are treated as a part of all deaths from the flu. Covid-19 is a subset of Corona Viruses.
  
  If you get a flu shot, the doctor does not tell you if the flu shot is for Corona Viruses, influenza, or something else. It is all referred to as a flu (influenza) shot.
  
  The wheels have completely fallen off the Covid-19 wagon, and these muppets know it, but they are continuing to trot out the narrative.
  
  To continue the narrative is a scam. To continue the lockdown is tyranny. To insist on mandatory Vaccines will be treason.
  
  The public need to see this government for what it really is.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:13am
I remember when

Interesting article about Jamaican woman, who taught in Samoa and then here, in Sunday magazine.
Because of stated lower achievement by Samoan students in New Zealand, racial reasons were suggested.
Another possible reason may be that in Samoa their students don’t see any reason why they can’t be successful – competing with their peers.
In New Zealand, they are having to use English as their educational language.
Even although they may speak two languages, the achievement is largely in the one. The ability in the second goes largely unrewarded.
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September 1, 2020 8:22am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Polynesians are trained not to outshine their betters. If they come from a higher ranked chiefly family they have an implicit permission to be seen to successful. Those are the ones who will speak up in class.
  I have taught in Samoa.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:58am
Swifty

I just wish more women would recognise the harm caused when they constantly whip out their puppies at us blokes:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12361009

Try to resist the urge ladies. It’s not ok.
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September 1, 2020 8:30am
- sooty
  
  I must refute that statement!
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:59am
  - Swifty
    
    🙂
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:28am
I remember when

Heard about an acquaintance who attended a funeral very recently.
Got into a conversation, as you do, with the undertaker. In the course of the chat, they asked whether he noticed an increase in deaths of the elderly during winter.
Undertaker said that there had been a noticeable increase in deaths lately, but from people taking their own lives.
They said it was very marked in the particular area they worked in.
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September 1, 2020 8:33am
- Jimmy White
  
  With a simple vote you will be able to reduce people taking their own lives. Their relatives, with the help of a doctor, will do it for them
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:43am
  - JackRabbit
    
    With the change of legislation, and the issues with lockdown suicides, would there be a temptation to re-code suicides as informed right to die actions?
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:23am
    - Westie Bob
      
      Is our resident terrorist going to be able to apply for assisted suicide on mental health grounds?
      
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      September 1, 2020 4:36pm
      - Batman
        
        Not unless it’s terminal and he’s been given six months to live by a doctor.
        
        So not a snowball’s chance in hell.
        
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        September 1, 2020 4:41pm
cas

I’m struggling to remember a day since this whole Covid thing started that prof Michael baker hasn’t been on TV or radio. He was even commenting on a programme about rheumatic fever on Sunday.
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September 1, 2020 8:37am
- Ruawai
  
  Along with Siouxsie Wiles
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:30am
  - ex-golfer
    
    Susie must have been turning down requests to comment over the last couple of days – she has been very absent.
    Given she still wants Auckland to be at level 3 I guess she doesn’t want to be seen to be publicly criticizing the decision of her girlfriend.
    
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    September 1, 2020 4:39pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Na…
      she’s still about…
      
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/30-08-2020/siouxsie-wiles-toby-morris-what-is-the-covid-19-triangle/
      
      Here’s a readable generalised account on the evolutionary ecology of the Covid-19 virus.
      
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      September 1, 2020 4:58pm
wimpston peeeders

continuing on from euthanasia debate yesterday does anyone know the impacts of life insurance policies if euthanasia is used?

Also health insurance that covers medical expenses will that also cover euthanasia costs?

Probably a mixed bag between providers and guess its in the fine print but its most likely overlooked by many.
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September 1, 2020 8:38am
- Jimmy White
  
  But it wont be a problem for the those being euthanised. Two ticks yes and you can get so stoned you won’t care your children are having you euthanised.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:46am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    That is simply untrue.
    You decide, not your family. The number of people’s kids that would push for euthanasia is so tiny it’s ridiculous that people keep using it as an argument. It’s simply dishonest to be fair.
    It’s infinitely more likely that selfish family members would push them away from euthanasia for their own need to keep their parent around than actually want them to die on their own terms.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:58am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      Assets not in a trust and end up in an ACF and the govt errodes the assets/inheritance to pay for care.
      an agressive cancer may not be a threat but a few year stay with dimensia can make a relative want to hurry things up for their own benefit, there are ALOT of folk like that in this world.
      
      ill never forget when my grandma died (dimensia in pallative care) most of the family were there and within 10-15mins my aunty started asking whats happening with the house and how much its worth…
      wouldnt want that maggot like that to be anywhere near a euthanasia consent form or consultation for someone else.
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:36am
  - Jimmy White
    
    The up and down ticks are becoming a Referendum Poll. If only we new the fraser house “Always down” mob.
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:09am
krazykiwi

This brilliant short video (‘The Jab’) from the Children’s Health Defense concisely summarises the corrupt tragedy of the H1N1 vaccine, and how that situation should serve as a warning to the whole world today.

A brief summary:

1. Governments all over the world sign “sleeping contracts” with pharmaceutical firms to buy flu vaccines in the event of a pandemic.

2. In 2009 the World Health Organization changed its official definition of “pandemic” to a much looser one (with no requirement for anyone to have died).

3. Just weeks later they declared the H1N1 flu a “pandemic”, despite minuscule numbers of deaths (141). This triggered sleeping contracts worth billions ($US18b).

4. Governments were legally obliged to buy up and distribute untested flu vaccines.

5. The vaccines caused serious, life-long side effects in over 1300 children.

6. Legal immunity meant no pharmaceutical firm paid any compensation, instead reparations were paid by taxpayers

7. Many of the scientists who advised the WHO declare a pandemic were later revealed to have financial interests in vaccine manufacturers.
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September 1, 2020 8:41am
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  krazykiwi, another crank website with an apparently anonymous blogger
  
  Try facts for a change when it comes to covid. Not Trump styled handouts ,
  
  https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-myths/art-20485720
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:11am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Stephie, do yourself a favour and look up the side effects of the 2 x H1N1 vaccines used in the UK and Europe during 2009/10.
    
    There was also a Channel 4 documentary shown in the UK that documented what happened.
    
    By 2011/12 there were document cases of school children developing narcolepsy. Analysis and research indicated the potential cause were the two vaccines that had not undergone proper field trial tests. The vaccines were found to be the cause with a small percentage of children at particular stages in their physical development.
    
    This not an anti-vax issue, it is a case of Big Pharma rushing untested drugs on to the market without proper scrutiny or testing.
    
    What you overlook is that big pharma does not make much money out of regular therapeutic medicines. It needs a pandemic that needs new vaccines with cashflow to support their R&D and business manufacturing/distribution empire.
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:57pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  ive mentioned this a few times but get slammed by scared cindy lovers.
  I would never ever let a largely untested vaccine into my body, theres a reason they take a decade to develop and yet world powers are fast tracking it and clowns like our govt are already lining up for it.
  
  how can one know any long term side effects if a vaccine goes into production just months after being created?
  Id almost have more faith in the saftey of a product from a random drug dealer then a big pharma or govt pushed vaccine.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:16am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I have no problem with vaccines or medicines generally. But my harm antenna starts working where I see fast tracked (aka suboptimal) testing, huge sums of public money and waived liabilities.
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:07am
  - cmm
    
    Those people who say we should line up for fast tracked vaccines are the same people who were screaming that hydroxychloroquine is untested and will kill you.
    
    Meanwhile billions of doses of HCQ has been used over the last 60 years. It is pretty much the text book definition of a well understood drug.
    
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    September 1, 2020 12:34pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Those people who say we should line up for fast tracked vaccines are the same people who were screaming that hydroxychloroquine is untested and will kill you
      
      Are they? Please name somebody who has said both things.
      
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      September 1, 2020 2:12pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  2009 Swine Flu Pandemic According to the CDC:
  
  In the US alone from April 2009 – April 2010 there was up to 89.3 million cases of the Swine Flu virus. And up to 18,306 deaths FROM the Swine Flu.
  
  Up to 575,400 people worldwide died FROM the 2009 Swine Flu virus infection during the first year the virus circulated. Globally, 80% of Swine Flu virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age.
  
  After a vaccine was released in December, 2009, the World Health Organization (WHO) announced the end of the pandemic ten months later in August 2010.
  
  The Swine Flu continues to circulate as a seasonal flu virus, and cause illness, hospitalization, and deaths worldwide every year.
  
  Now lets compare the Swine Flu pandemic to the Coronavirus pandemic:
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgwBpYEWkAEyNoA?format=jpg
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  September 1, 2020 12:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    NZ had 3175 cases and 19 deaths due to the 2009 Swine Flu Pandemic.
    
    Anyone remember?
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_New_Zealand#:~:text=Suspected%20cases%20have%20not%20been,deaths%20due%20to%20swine%20influenza.
    
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    September 1, 2020 1:40pm
Paulus

Had a call from young family relative last evening – asked where are you – Auckland resident family- we are at the Chateau Tongariro with out Auckland friends – and the children who would not go to school.
Why ? – because it will the last holiday we will get before the next big shutdown before Christmas !
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September 1, 2020 8:50am
- Flossie
  
  I really have a “thing” about families who take kids out of school for reasons that are simply not necessary. It’s no wonder we have a generation who act like turning up is optional once they get into the workforce. And use all available sick days whether they are sick or not. Lots of these in my own immediate and extended family.
  
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  September 1, 2020 11:10am
Tasman Terror

Remember to be kind…… Michael Baker is entitled to forge a political career. This is the new normal.
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September 1, 2020 8:51am
niggly

Jacinda never, ever apologises for any “stuff-ups” caused by her team or her officials … so why the constant apologies (over the calls to test Aucklanders for covid) … and why the constant deflecting by her Ministers?

There must be more to this … as it doesn’t seem to be going away!
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September 1, 2020 8:52am
alloytoo

so, any child exhibiting “Flu like” symptoms is being sent home in accordance with MOH instructions.

How the hell are these kids going to learn?

Teachers can’t support them online if they in the classroom.
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September 1, 2020 9:04am
RRM

What I learned yesterday on the meme working group:

1. Making memes about Jacinda Ardern is misogynist and racist.

2. Memes about Judith Collins are fine.

3. Racism is not ok.

4. Calling Judith Collins’ husband a half-breed ape who should go back were he came from is fine.
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September 1, 2020 9:06am
- JackRabbit
  
  It’s called projection.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:26am
- kowtow
  
  The hypocrisy of the left is best understood from the angle of Orwell’s view of socialists.
  
  To paraphrase ‘ They don’t love the poor , they hate the rich’
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:29am
Bobba Fret

Tom Sainsbury the comedian is doing a good video take off of James Shaw regarding his $11.7m payment to the Green school on Facebook.
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September 1, 2020 9:12am
SB2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
MAGA surpasses 6 million cases of Covid 19,

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Thanks MAGA President. Keep it up!
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September 1, 2020 9:15am
- Fletch
  
  And probably 90% are not real cases.
  
  According to The New York Times, potentially 90 percent of those who have tested positive for COVID-19 have such insignificant amounts of the virus present in their bodies that such individuals do not need to isolate nor are they candidates for contact tracing. Leading public health experts are now concerned that overtesting is responsible for misdiagnosing a huge number of people with harmless amounts of the virus in their systems.
  
  “Most of these people are not likely to be contagious, and identifying them may contribute to bottlenecks that prevent those who are contagious from being found in time,” warns The Times.
  
  […] In three sets of testing data that include cycle thresholds, compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada, up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus, a review by The Times found.
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html
  
  https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/08/29/it-looks-like-a-lot-of-those-positive-covid-tests-should-have-been-negative-n2575305
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:52am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Potentially 90% of cases are false positives.
  https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/08/29/it-looks-like-a-lot-of-those-positive-covid-tests-should-have-been-negative-n2575305
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:56am
- softail 1450
  
  SB2 ,The planets only TDS sufferer at level 11, OMG I’m looking forward to Trumps win to see if Septicboy actually implodes….please somebody get that moment on video ,,LOL.
  
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  September 1, 2020 10:37am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Septicboys worst nightmare.
    
    1. Judith Collins becomes PM in the first week of November; and
    2. Trump wins a second term (first Tuesday in Nov).
    
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    September 1, 2020 10:06pm
- cmm
  
  Trump’s biggest failing has been overestimating the competence of the Democrat governors who are in charge of the medical system in their states.
  
  If the SB2s of the world want to blame Trump for anything it should be that he did not send in the Federal goons and shut down the idiotic governors. But then they’d be screaming “dictator” etc.
  
  Sorry SB: the states want their autonomy and refuse federal help then they must eat the consequences.
  
  Can’t really have it both ways.
  
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  September 1, 2020 11:52am
  - SB2
    
    Why not inlude Red states like Arizona, Florida and Texas ?
    
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    September 1, 2020 2:21pm
    - cmm
      
      Because none of those have numbers as bad as the worse Dem states.
      
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      September 1, 2020 3:52pm
- JackRabbit
  
  SB2
  
  1) Worldometers is a COUNTER website not a STATISTICS website.
  
  a) Anyone with half a brain would know that no-one from Worldometers is present with click counters or or clipboards, has phone comms or links into hospitals, businesses, factories, or maternity wards to get said stats.
  
  b) Many such organisations would not by policy, and do not, give out such information or have live feeds from Worldometers hooked into their system.
  
  c) The ‘safe’ long term stats e.g. computers sold are taken from annual or monthly published figures, if at all, and using a thumb suck to guess as to what it might be.
  
  d) Figures such as Covid are reached at by at best screen scraping or again, at worst, taking guesstimates or maximum figures found.
  
  e) It is a FAKE website and highly inaccurate. It is just a hillbilly counter site, with no employees, and no genuine source of stats.
  
  f) You quoting that website makes you look like a shallow plonker to anyone that has done real stats research.
  
  2) As we now know, 94% of the USA Corona Virus deaths are NOT Corona Virus deaths.
  
  3) As we now know, 75% of the UK Corona Virus deaths were NOT Corona Virus deaths. On the month the CV-19 stats unleashed in the UK, the flu stats dropped by the same amount.
  
  Are you a Ferengi?
  
  Rule #266: When in doubt, lie.
  Rule #212: A good lie is easier to believe than the truth.
  
  However where the narrative fails and trips up the Covid-19 Harbringers of Doom, is failing to observe Rule #60: Keep your lies consistent.
  
  The wheels have fallen off the Covid-19 Resident Evil Zombie Apocalypse wagon.
  
  So you can stop your anti-Trump propaganda.
  
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  September 1, 2020 12:57pm
  - Batman
    
    If you don’t understand how viruses work in the human body, you should go back to school.
    
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    September 1, 2020 1:09pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Well its a good thing I do understand then isn’t it!
      
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      September 1, 2020 1:11pm
      - Batman
        
        The evidence on the reduction in spread by use of mask has been posted twice this week. Clearly you haven’t bothered to update your knowledge base.
        
        I suspect that isn’t your goal, however. Performative dickishness is.
        
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        September 1, 2020 1:26pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Batman
        
        Masks only have relevance when:
        a) Covid is as bad as they say it is. Which it is not.
        b) If the masks were as effective as they say they are . Which they are not.
        
        If Covid was as contagious and as deadly as the propaganda suggests, I would not be relying on a standard mask to protect me. I would wanting a friggin space suit, and a decontam airlock in every building I visit.
        
        If you are wearing a standard mask, every breath out contains vapour. It does not take long for a mask to be saturated, and start emitting vapour and particles.
        
        And if Covid-19 was as bad as Dear Leader suggests, responsible Labour MPs would not be having close contact meetings.
        
        If Covid-19 was as bad as Dear Leader suggests, and given her very very important position as PM, and the extra protection she therefore requires, I would expect her to give her daily updates in a space suit and all those in attendance walk through a shallow foot bath of disinfectant, and lightly sprayed with high concentration germicide you buy in a can like air freshener. As happens in a number of food industries and has done for decades, just not the space suit. All because airborne viruses can cling to clothing.
        
        But no, its same old same old, because they see no threat.
        
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        September 1, 2020 1:53pm
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        hear ye hear ye, along with the podium of truth the only other trusted truth sayer is the hero Batman the troll mod on a small NZ blog website.
        
        sorry batboy there are just as much evidence for no masks vs wear masks.
        its really just another feel good policy, unless the govt mandates n95 masks and not crappy home made petri dishes that ppl cover their face with then its just theatre.
        
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        September 1, 2020 1:54pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Ferengi_Rules_of_Acquisition
    
    Rule #1: “Always listen to the Grand Nagus.”
    
    Adapted for NZ Labour Team: – Always listen to us, we are “The Single Source of Truth”.
    
    Rule #5: “Always exaggerate your estimates.”
    
    See anything familiar?
    
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    September 1, 2020 1:09pm
Maggie Pie

Not sure what’s happening out there, but for the first time since i became an ‘Instagram Influencer’, people suddenly seem to be turning a bit sort of… anti 🙁
For ages now, I’ve been regularly posting pics of the fab food and wines we’ve been enjoying at various 5* restaurants. The normally complimentary responses and upticks have always been most satisfying. They give everyone a real ‘feel good buzz’ and show that others also love hearing about what you’re doing.

But for the last few months, it’s suddenly running about 50/50, with new followers coming on board and saying things like “….who gives a f- -k”, “get a life bitch” and someone has just posted ‘TSIF’. (I always get my own back by replying ….’jealousy gets you no where’ and ‘….loser’. Then i block them.)
Anyway, I thought to myself, STUFF IT, may as well not bother any more. Their loss, not mine.
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September 1, 2020 9:15am
- MT_Tinman
  
  It might be the 5* thing Maggie.
  
  Personally I prefer going to restaurants that serve food.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:21am
- IC5000
  
  Looks like you’ve really influenced people lol
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:32am
  - sooty
    
    MT. I like to go to eat food, not look at it and call into Macca’s for something to eat on the way home!
    
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    September 1, 2020 9:53am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Food? Maccas?
      
      How do you manage to get those words into the same sentence?
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:28am
      - sooty
        
        Hunger!
        
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        September 1, 2020 6:54pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  in a time when ppl are doing it tough, losing jobs, homeless and going broke the last thing they want to see is some rich prick showing off a meal that costs more then their weeks groceries or their benefit.
  
  its kinda rude tbh, its ok to be wealthy and succeed in life but it crosses a line when one continually flaunts it and feels the need to rub it in everyones face.
  
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  September 1, 2020 10:21am
  - IC5000
    
    I have up voted your comment but don’t this this means you’re not a dick
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:13am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    I love Maggie, but you are right: who gives a shit about other people’s utterly cultivated and manufactured Instagram “personalities.” ‘Narcissistic’ doesn’t even begin to cover the phenomenon.
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:13am
    - IC5000
      
      If you’ve honed a killer physique through countless hours at the gym enduring painful exercise regimes and weird diets then you may have licence to parade yourself on the ‘gram.
      
      For people who don’t possess these attributes and think we’ll be impressed by a meal your ordered on your partners credit card it will attract the derision it deserves.
      
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      September 1, 2020 12:29pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgdnNwpWkAIa_EI?format=jpg&name=900×900
        
        LOL!!
        
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        September 1, 2020 12:55pm
      - IC5000
        
        What constitutes a small dick? Obviously one would need a wide exposure to a variety of penii to make an informed judgement.
        
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        September 1, 2020 1:18pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        @ IC
        
        TBH, I’ve always been a yuge fan of Pasta 😛
        
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        September 1, 2020 2:23pm
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      yea I love Mags posts aswell but as she would say… Just saying.
      
      I have a good mate who does the same thing, earns huge coin abroad yet alienates family and mates by showing off how much better hes doing then everyone else and how much more money and shiny things hes got.
      tbh I think ppl like that are secretly unhappy and greatly exagerate just to make themselves feel better, most like that live a lie funded by debt and 1 missed paycheck and its all over.
      
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      September 1, 2020 2:01pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Yup – know the feeling wimps.
        
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        September 1, 2020 2:26pm
      - IC5000
        
        They are not unnecessarily unhappy, just driven by external validation so they need to engage in signalling behaviour to others. Obviously it will always end in failure since opinions are so fickle. Just ask any politician.
        
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        September 1, 2020 2:27pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  To all the bitchers responding to Maggie, get a sense of humour. She adds a lot of color and laughs here.
  
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  September 1, 2020 3:50pm
  - IC5000
    
    She can’t troll for shit.
    
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    September 1, 2020 6:25pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Neither can you. Trolling is an art form, not just saying dumb contrarian shit.
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:21pm
- [email protected]
  
  Hi Mags,
  
  You didn’t get where you are by being on the dole. You got there by working hard and being smart.
  
  People born with good looks or being tall and other accidents of birth get to enjoy the benefits so people who bust their butts to get ahead should also.
  
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  September 1, 2020 7:44pm
Rusty

Maybe its time for our PM to stop talking to us as though we are members of the Brady Bunch.

Wash your hands and be kind to one another, we don’t have to be told that constantly.
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September 1, 2020 9:17am
Brian McDonald

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Great to see the Wellington commuters wearing their masks on TV last night, a reminder of the world beyond KB.
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September 1, 2020 9:34am
- Tall Man
  
  Maybe they should put them on their faces next time.
  
  Pretty sure medical advice is that they are a waste of time in the great outdoors but they do make a great display of stupidity and compliance.
  
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  September 1, 2020 9:42am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    A train is not the great outdoors. Close proximity of less than 2 metres is also not the great outdoors.
    Compliance in the interests of others or oneself is a choice. You can make your own – if you’re brave enough.
    There’s a protest brewing this weekend in Auckland Tall Man, you’ll fit right in. It’s a herding-sort of roundup for sheeple.
    
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    September 1, 2020 10:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      Whoosh ……
      
      Been called lots of things, never a sheeple though.
      
      I think you may have missed a few of my previous posts, especially the early ones now deleted 😉
      
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      September 1, 2020 11:42am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Writing “Stoopid” or “Slave” or “Obey” on their foreheads with a black indelible marker would be just as effective.
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:16am
  - Sacha
    
    I was amused yesterday when I called in at the local bakery during the lunchtime rush, and there was the coffee-making lady smiling cheerily over her face mask, which was protecting her chin.
    I didn’t say anything –
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:30am
- Loddenthinks
  
  And yet you’re here…
  
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  September 1, 2020 10:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    And that went whoosh…..
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:40am
- cmm
  
  I wouldn’t mind them paying for their tickets.
  
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  September 1, 2020 11:45am
Yvette

Just in passing –
And just on testing: yesterday our laboratories processed 10,487 tests for COVID-19, bringing the total number of tests completed to date to 750,808. {1]

The “wrong” message urging South and West Auckland to get tested – about 700,000 people – would have been equivalent to all the tests done so far, from about late February,
OR, at latest rates of about 10,000 tests a day, would take presumably about 70 days to process, which would be pointless.

[1] ALL OF GOVERNMENT PRESS CONFERENCE: SUNDAY, 30 AUGUST 2020, Hansard Transcript
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September 1, 2020 9:38am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Total numbers tested are a waste of time and all for spin.
  the daily testing is the major as unless someone gets tested and then goes and isolates the rest of their life then theyre immediately available for infection within seconds of testing.
  
  all day everyday there is potential for 5mil+ hosts, getting a test does not make you immune.
  
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  September 1, 2020 10:16am
- JackRabbit
  
  750,808 tests for current Covid-19, but no Anti-body tests for infections that would have came and gone over the last 9 months.
  
  “We searched all the school lockers, even the homes, and dorm rooms of all 1287 students. There was absoludely nothing found of the 8,235 stolen meat pies that disappeared between Nov 2019 and July 2020. Therefore we conclude that they never existed. I mean how would you hide that many meat pies?”
  
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  September 1, 2020 1:19pm
sooty

Why is it ok for the PMs partner able to troll the internet, but Judiths husband not allowed too?
Is it different when the left do it?
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September 1, 2020 9:49am
- Ruawai
  
  Put up some links to Gayfords trolling please Sooty
  
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  September 1, 2020 10:33am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes Sooty.
  The inmate here who acts as our twitter consultant showed me today’s tweet from a “lady” called Angie.
  It states: “Good to see you scored yourself a half breed there Judith real classy maybe you should put it back in its cage “
  Not a Black Lives Matter supporter then?
  Not sure what St Jacinda would make of such blatant racism though.
  No hugs for you Ange.
  Did you miss the kindness instructions?
  
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  September 1, 2020 10:57am
  - oldfella
    
    I’d love to hear a reporter challenge Cindy on those abusive, racist tweets directed at Judith’s husband.
    ‘Prime Minister, will you condemn this vile racism from your followers?’
    You can bet if it was Jethro being dumped on with this level of hate, the media would bombard Judith to call out her supporters. And would probably go overboard in doxing the tweeters, exposing their real identities and calling for them to lose their jobs.
    But when the left does it… it’s different…
    
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    September 1, 2020 11:59am
  - Inandout
    
    Gravel, Twitter is a cultural morass. Shows how bitter the Adern hornets are.
    
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    September 1, 2020 12:01pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Yeh.. it’s a funny thing that. Or when Jethro “mansplained” her a year or so ago. That was funny .. poor Cindy needed rescuing by him.
  
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  September 1, 2020 5:49pm
Critical Thinker

Shock Study Finds COVID-19 Lockdowns 10 Times More Deadly Than Virus

Turns out that, according to CDC data, only 6 percent of people on that official death toll list died solely of COVID-19. Six percent.

The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% in nursing homes.

Now we learn, thanks to a study commissioned by Revolver News, that the coronavirus lockdowns were 10 times more deadly than the virus itself.

“Simply put, we have drawn upon existing economic studies on the health effects of unemployment to calculate an estimate of how many years of life will have been lost due to the lockdowns in the United States, and have weighed this against an estimate of how many years of life will have been saved by the lockdowns. The results are nothing short of staggering, and suggest that the lockdowns will end up costing Americans over 10 times as many years of life as they will save from the virus itself.

The COVID-19 lockdown measures that Americans have had to endure for the greater part of 2020 represent one of the most dramatic, consequential, and damaging policy measures undertaken in this nation’s history. For the first time in its history, America has experienced a situation so crippling and perilous that long term financial and social stability have been legitimately threatened.

Combining these analyses, we found that an estimated 18.7 million life-years will be lost in the United States due to the COVID-19 lockdowns. Comparative data analysis between nations shows that the lockdowns in the United States likely had a minimal effect in saving life-years. Using two different comparison groups, we estimate that the COVID-19 lockdowns in the U.S. saved between a quarter to three quarters of a million life-years.”

Locking down healthy people over a virus that never lived up to the fear porn hype was just plain dumb ?

https://www.revolver.news/2020/08/study-covid-19-lockdowns-deadlier-than-pandemic-itself/
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September 1, 2020 9:54am
- SB2
  
  Revolver’s contributora to their ” analysis “,
  
  Abel Sumner is a Ph.D. candidate in a social sciences field with both private and public sector experience as a policymaker. He is extensively trained in statistics, econometrics, and quantitatively informed public policy.
  
  Jeremiah Jackson holds a Ph.D. in economics and has experience both in the public sector as a policy maker and in the private sector as an analyst.
  
  Jacob Cage holds a Ph.D. in a social sciences field and has extensive experience both in the public and private sectors in policy analysis and strategic communications.
  
  Well, well, well!
  
  Enough said!
  
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  September 1, 2020 2:30pm
Fletch

Funny because it’s true. How liberals think police should respond to criminals…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2HTrSOo-E
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September 1, 2020 9:55am
DeepBlue

Waiting for the howls:

Cook Island imposes 4 day pre-flight COVID test… Crickets. National policy… Outrage.
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September 1, 2020 10:02am
- cmm
  
  Does that also apply to sending them koha?
  
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  September 1, 2020 11:44am
Swifty

“A long-running court battle has over Bible studies being allowed in state schools has been dropped after a “opt-in” clause was added to the Education and Training Act 2020.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/300096171/bible-studies-case-dropped-as-optin-clause-added-to-law

A way overdue victory for common sense and for strengthening our secular democracy.
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September 1, 2020 10:07am
- oldfella
  
  A secular democracy? Like Cindy’s Aotearoa? How’s that working out for everyone?
  
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  September 1, 2020 12:01pm
  - Swifty
    
    If you mean a secular democracy where one particular religion no longer enjoys a privileged position to get access to kids in the state school system and feed them superstitious mumbo jumbo but presented as the truth, then yes, it’s working out fine.
    
    In my view, religious indoctrination has no place in the state system even where some parents wish for it – they have options to fill their kids heads with nonsense after hours.
    
    Looking at where our demographics are heading would you wish your decedents to be receiving Islamic instruction from their school’s tax-payer funded resident Imam in 50 or 100 year’s time?
    
    No? Well neither do I so let’s nip it in the bud now and fight like hell in never allowing it back in.
    
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    September 1, 2020 1:10pm
Happychappy

Unprecedented increase in Beneficiaries- MSD Reports.
A record for unemployment not seen in 24 years as unemployment hits 16.2%.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/300096280/unprecedented-increase-in-beneficiaries–msd-report
How is Jacinda Ardern going to spin this as it now is greater unemployment than what we had after the GFC which was 12.4%.
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September 1, 2020 10:10am
- softail 1450
  
  Happy ,the wage subsidy ran out last night so I figure you can safely double that figure.
  
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  September 1, 2020 10:42am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Jacinda thinks that the GFC is a purveyor of tasty fried chicken treats.
  
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  September 1, 2020 11:18am
  - oldfella
    
    Nah, Cindy thinks GFC stands for Great Fried Chips. Harking back to her youth when she had a job that actually matched her ability.
    
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    September 1, 2020 12:03pm
Loddenthinks

This is sickening – a guy drives off from a party after drinking, his “friend” who he only met that day tries to jump in, he takes off with her hanging on for dear life.

She falls off, hits her head and dies. He admits guilt, not much choice really, and the dud judge starts subtracting like crazy for the usual reasons, including the old standby – a troubled childhood. I had a troubled childhood too – I was always getting into trouble and just about always suffered the consequences.

Long story short, the dud judge converts a 22-month prison sentence into 9 months staying at home! I realise they have to take certain things into account (troubled childhood isn’t one of them though) and that he would be eligible for parole after only a third of his sentence, but at least he would have served time and been monitored for good behaviour etc.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122618359/driver-gets-nine-months-of-home-detention-for-friends-fatal-fall-from-car
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September 1, 2020 10:21am
softail 1450

Loddenthinks, He’s from Kaeo ,drink driving up there is mandatory.
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September 1, 2020 10:46am
RW Capitalist

Have looked up the numbers.
of the 187000 deaths of covid19 in the USA.
112 307 were in democrat run states.
I did this research not long into the “pandemic” and it was the same. 60%
Since each Governor is responsible for his/her state and the president has offered and delivered much help already….what are the Dems. doing with it compared to the results of the Republicans?
BTW the population figures are almost equal.
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September 1, 2020 11:08am
- Critical Thinker
  
  These are the premeditated mass murderers of Granny’s and Grandpa’s in the US:
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Egr2hAoWsAAUWRQ?format=jpg
  ??
  ??
  
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  September 1, 2020 12:09pm
Libertarians are right

I love that Emerson attacked David Wong-Tung over his sharing memes. He’s basically saying sharing non-Emerson/Murdoch political cartoons is wrong and disgusting. Only left-wing anti-National cartoons are appropriate. It’s not like it’s hard to find some. Emerson and especially Murdoch barely ever even touch Labour while constantly attacking Judith. She’s been a witch, an assassin, Hannibal Lector, a medusa, and many more. Murdoch and Emerson have much much larger audiences than David Wong-Tung.

Also, what’s so wrong with the memes David Wong-Tung shared? Labour and the MSM constantly portray Jacinda as lovely and caring. She isn’t. There is ample evidence that she does sulk and get angry a lot. Parliament TV has examples every day she’s there. The constant lie that Jacinda cares etc (with the implication that Judith doesn’t) is just as offensive and has far less evidence that it’s true.
As for Unite Against Cindy, again, what’s wrong with that?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the memes at all.
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September 1, 2020 11:23am
Inandout

I am going to get some dark tanning lotion.
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f4d2c901852e24a8c20f80a
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September 1, 2020 11:55am
I remember when

Just been out to the land of G5 and crystals.
Went to the local supermarket for the weekly overspend.
The supermarket is in the magic land of Level 0/2 – that is it should be O and is a pretend 2. This is just in case someone from Auckland travels down in order to avoid the queues up there.
Feeling a little light-headed, I thought perhaps I would be obedient and wear a mask. Apart from the lady leaving as I left my car, nobody else had to wonder what the rest of the people were thinking about them.
The whole thing is the result of Labour having no idea how to depart Auckland Level 3.
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September 1, 2020 12:00pm
gorse

Stuff still at. Their headline was “judith Collins fends off questions about her husband’s off colour Facebook posts”. I then watched her 18 minute speech linked into that article, only to hear three short, shallow questions, all from one reporter, about thus issue, possibly thirty seconds in total. She shut them down very well, so why the headline focussing on this? Not the rest of the speech? Which was very good by the way. Was it possible Stuff didn’t like her pointing out what a terrible job of Governing thus coalition is doing?
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September 1, 2020 12:15pm
lifesgood

I had the misfortune to catch two snippets from red radio, Kathryn Ryan, this morning (as a passenger in a car) I am still spitting tacks. Firstly they had some left wing moron from the US on who was spouting that the out of control arson, looting, murder and rioting in the US are “peaceful protests” and it’s all Trump’s fault. What planet is he on? I mean how blinkered can you be? When Kathryn used the word “riot” she quickly corrected herself. Oh, no, Kathryn, you musn’t call these murderous thugs rioters, you might offend your leftie buddies. Bloody disgrace. Then later in the morning I heard, on the same programme, an American “media commentator” from Massey university, (enough said) who claimed the only reliable, reputable, honest news sources are Radio NZ and TV One. I ask you?
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September 1, 2020 12:18pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  BLM and many of their supporters openly state that they want a Marxist revolution.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AUbXSCzE-8
  
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  September 1, 2020 12:44pm
  - Batman
    
    Yes and many members of the GOP are against science bin schools and women having the vote, that doesn’t mean that the wider party ever listens to them!
    
    Same for National members who advocate for a blanket ban on abortion or euthanasia, or who gets to vote. They are a minority.
    
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    September 1, 2020 1:19pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122574943/election-2020-youth-enrolment-numbers-lag-behind-older-voters
Just who do they think would teach these Civics classes ?
Can’t see any objectivity or neutrality shown by the teachers, they would nearly all be unionised left-wingers.
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September 1, 2020 12:56pm
Maggie Pie

Just back home from Westfield.
Very few shoppers in evidence this morning. Listening to Shaun Plunkit talking about David Won Ton.
Sounds like my sort of guy…..BoL!!!!!
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September 1, 2020 1:02pm
Spring Bank Westie

Let’s Keep Moving, Nothing To See Here.
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September 1, 2020 1:27pm
I remember when

I just hope that that Jacinda and the Labour Party are not building my house. When ten and one hundred mean the same thing the odds on it being any kind of LEVEL seem most unlikely.
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September 1, 2020 1:38pm
Swifty

Good grief, what parent would let this guy anywhere near their kids?

https://www.facebook.com/Christofactivations/photos/a.643471712479466/643472939146010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quYZQdxcWAA

His material says he is an elected member of The Galactic Council.

FFS.
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September 1, 2020 1:38pm
- Swifty
  
  I’m speechless…
  
  https://youtu.be/WTf5xz_A0vk?t=1432
  
  Star gates, guardians, interstellar travel – more mumbo jumbo than I’ve ever heard in one video.
  
  I challenge anyone to see this vid through.
  
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  September 1, 2020 1:55pm
  - Swifty
    
    Oh, he mentions the Green School…
    
    https://youtu.be/WTf5xz_A0vk?t=2016
    
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    September 1, 2020 1:56pm
- Tall Man
  
  Pulls the chicks though …..
  
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  September 1, 2020 3:47pm
I remember when

I don’t know why people are getting so upset.
While New Zealand is having a second covid-19 lockdown, Aotearoa is obviously having no such problems.
Just check worldometers not an Aotearoa mentioned.
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September 1, 2020 1:46pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Biden speaking. The brain rot has really set in.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1300494641180139521
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September 1, 2020 1:48pm
- cmm
  
  Shocking that that’s all the Dems can serve up.
  
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  September 1, 2020 7:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

72% of NZers do not trust or rely on the information from TVNZ, RNZ, Stuff or the Herald.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12361182
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September 1, 2020 2:00pm
- SB2
  
  From your link,
  
  TVNZ was convincingly the most trusted news source – with 28 per cent of Kiwis saying they relied and trusted information from the state-owned broadcaster the most.
  
  A TVNZ spokesperson said they expect audiences to continue to migrate over time from traditional to online media distribution, and the broadcaster is adapting accordingly.
  
  “TVNZ’s focus is on maximising our share of TV audiences and growing the scale of our online audiences,” the spokesperson said.
  
  “This research indicates TVNZ is making really encouraging progress on both these fronts. We are also very pleased to see 1 NEWS strengthen its position as New Zealand’s most trusted source of news.”
  
  Startlingly, subscription video on demand – such as Netflix, TVNZ On Demand, Amazon Prime and Disney channels – now reached the largest share of the Kiwi audiences at 61 per cent.
  
  This was a 42 per cent increase on the last survey in 2014.”
  
  Obviously big changes as to how people source their news and information with the growth of online platforms.
  
  I would suggest from many of your posts show you are not adverse sourcing much from our traditional media, l
  
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  September 1, 2020 2:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    100-28 = 72
    
    28% of those surveyed trust & rely on TVNZ
    
    Which means 72% DONT trust & rely on TVNZ….
    
    and the percentages for folks who trust & rely on the other media sources for their News was way less than 28%.
    
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    September 1, 2020 4:50pm
    - Batman
      
      That’s how multiple choice surveys work. Those people chose other outlets.
      
      Just like how some people watch One News and some watch Newshub. It doesn’t necessarily mean they explicitly don’t trust the others.
      
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      September 3, 2020 10:12am
- graham
  
  Heh, I love seeing how they try to spin this.
  
  TVNZ was convincingly the most trusted news source – with 28 per cent of Kiwis saying they relied and trusted information from the state-owned broadcaster the most.
  
  Ouch. When your state-owned broadcaster is only trusted by 28% of Kiwis, that’s a smackdown in anybody’s language.
  
  … except when you’re a spokesman spinning for all you’re worth:
  
  “This research indicates TVNZ is making really encouraging progress on both these fronts. We are also very pleased to see 1 NEWS strengthen its position as New Zealand’s most trusted source of news.”
  
  Well, TECHNICALLY he’s correct, I suppose …
  
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  September 1, 2020 2:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

James Shaw admits an error of Judgement…

But who is in the Government’s infrastructure reference group?

They ranked the Green School project highly.

How much of the $3Billion “shovel-ready” infrastructure money has found its way into similar dodgy projects?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300096758/james-shaw-calls-green-school-funding-an-error-of-judgment-as-he-searches-for-a-solution
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September 1, 2020 2:17pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  they guy might be a right douche but im glad he accepted he stuffed up, apologised and tried to set things right with out throwing numerous others under the bus . the PM could learn a thing or 2 from Shaws apology today.
  
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  September 1, 2020 3:35pm
  - Stu2
    
    But how many days did it take? Apologies seem far more real if they are quick
    
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    September 1, 2020 5:53pm
- cmm
  
  The only thing he regrets is getting caught.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:00pm
Bobba Fret

Watching James Shaw’s press conference apologising for making a mistake was very enjoyable TV.
Please, please, pretty please still vote for us.
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September 1, 2020 2:21pm
mikenmildagain

Trump might be in trouble if he’s lost the military vote:
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/
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September 1, 2020 2:51pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  they wana go have a war not play tidly winks at home, trumps not the loose cannon warmonger the dems told everyone he would be.
  hell according to 2016 media/dems the last lingering human survivors should now be living in a nuclear wasteland. so yea alot of disapointed military egos.
  
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  September 1, 2020 3:38pm
  - Batman
    
    Yes instead North Korea and Russia are off the leash, China is in the early stages of a second holocaust, and the man himself is defending militia shooters.
    
    Going really well huh?
    
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    September 1, 2020 4:00pm
    - Batman
      
      PS, Wimpston: any sensible person in the military doesn’t actually want to go to war. They prepare in the hopes of avoiding conflict but will do so if necessary.
      
      Only armchair rambo’s actually lust for a conflict….
      
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      September 1, 2020 4:26pm
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      yea cuz bidens really gunna take on NK Russia or China…
      
      whats wrong with finally having a potus that dosent want to wage war? for a country thats a minority of the worlds population theyve started/participated in many many conflicts.
      
      Trump wants to MAGA first not the rest of the world so why bother medling with other countries?
      
      im sure your tds will make that go straight over your head.
      
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      September 1, 2020 6:38pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Mikenmild; that makes fascinating reading. I have noted from many Trump speeches how he praises up the veterans to an extent that I find nauseating, but I thought he did it to secure their vote.
  Then you put that clip on Kiwiblog.
  It is sad that an intelligent link such as your’s gets so many down ticks.
  I had noticed on a betting site I follow that Trump’s chances have been increasing, but the clip you have posted suggests that Sleepy Joe is not the hopeless chance I have always thought, and hoped, he was. I note that Joe’s chances have improved in he betting market over the past two days. A pity.
  
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  September 1, 2020 6:49pm
Happychappy

Treasury opposed Green School Grant over lack of approvals. Their reasoning was to give a grant of $11.7 when the school did not yet have
the full education approvals needed for a private school.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/424949/treasury-opposed-green-school-grant-over-lack-of-approvals
This tells a not so good story on why Grant Robertson choose to ignore what he had been advised from Treasury and give the $11 7 grant.
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September 1, 2020 2:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Are officials covering their Butts?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/coronavirus-deputy-prime-minister-winston-peters-claims-officials-covering-their-butts-over-auckland-covid-19-outbreak.html
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September 1, 2020 3:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

As I said the other day:
If you are alone in your car and stull wearing your mask, there is no need to display a “Labour” bumper sticker.
We already know
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September 1, 2020 4:25pm
- Batman
  
  I’m voting ACT and wearing a mask on public transport.
  
  Grow up.
  
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  September 1, 2020 4:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sorry about the shitty public transport in NZ. Grow up? I am 68, I grew up when you were wearing short pants, or not even on the planet
    
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    September 1, 2020 5:09pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Why don’t you grow up with your moronic comment.
    He said; ‘If you are alone in your car’
    
    Bit different from sharing public transport.
    You’re not very bright are you.
    
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    September 2, 2020 7:56am
Batman

Some news for the Mike Flynn Obama gate truthers out there, and I’m afraid it’s not good news

“Michael Flynn, ex-Trump national security adviser, loses dismissal bid” https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3406896001
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September 1, 2020 4:30pm
RW Capitalist

Oops, put it on the wrong thread.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/122612507/rocket-lab-back-on-track-with-launch-success
Carrying the remains of Jacinda’s
Honesty
integrity
competence
and humility
all comfortable housed in a matchbox sized satellite.
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September 1, 2020 4:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How the left cheat – I I reckon this happens in NZ as well.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/whistleblower-warns-america-mail-in-voter-fraud-is-easy-to-pull-off-weve-been-doing-it-for-years-op-ed/
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September 1, 2020 5:10pm
eview

A new Roy Morgan poll for the month of August was released today: https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8509-nz-national-voting-intention-august-2020-202008310343

Labour: 48%
National: 28.5%
Greens: 11.5%
ACT: 6%
NZ First: 2.5%

So right now, it’s not looking very good for the Nats, with just under 7 weeks to go until the election. But a lot of things will probably happen and change in those weeks…
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September 1, 2020 5:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Still time for National to change their leader again…
  
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  September 1, 2020 6:04pm
- lifesgood
  
  What rot!
  
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  September 1, 2020 6:19pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    @lifesgood
    
    The rot set in for the Nats a long time ago.
    
    And MM is right, Collins is not making one iota of difference.
    
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    September 1, 2020 8:15pm
- greybeard
  
  Greens 11.5% ?
  What ?
  
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  September 1, 2020 6:27pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Roy is on the piss again
  
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  September 1, 2020 6:32pm
- barnacle bill
  
  And that could go either way.
  
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  September 1, 2020 8:53pm
- gorse
  
  This has to be one of the most bullshit polls this year. The Greens on 11.5%? I Almost had a heart attack laughing.
  
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  September 1, 2020 10:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Floatillas, Trumptillas. The boat parades/rallies are big all over the US.
Lefties say they went “FISHING” ffs. How many fishing rods in this small gathering?
https://www.facebook.com/daniel.dring.5/posts/10158644389171665
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September 1, 2020 6:15pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300097083/jacinda-ardern-says-she-will-talk-to-victims-families-about-possibility-to-deporting-mosque-terrorist
What rubbish.
What utter nonsensical dishonest rubbish.
This woman is an abomination.
She is a liar, a manipulative, communist, ideologically-driven menace.
Let us soon be rid of her and her controllers.
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September 1, 2020 6:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda is getting very desperad
  
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