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PhilBest

The estimable Denis Prager nails it with this headline (he is talking about California)

“The Lockdown Has Gone From a Mistake to a Crime”

https://pjmedia.com/columns/dennis-prager/2020/09/01/the-lockdown-has-gone-from-a-mistake-to-a-crime-n871865

“…Four months ago, I wrote a column titled “The Worldwide Lockdown May Be the Greatest Mistake in History.” I explained that “‘mistake’ and ‘evil’ are not synonyms. The lockdown is a mistake; the Holocaust, slavery, communism, fascism, etc., were evils. Massive mistakes are made by arrogant fools; massive evils are committed by evil people.”

“…I live in California, a state governed by that most dangerous of leaders: a fool with unlimited power. Despite the fact that California ranks 28th among the 50 states in deaths per million, Gov. Gavin Newsom has destroyed and continues to destroy tens of thousands of small businesses and untold numbers of livelihoods…

Quoting Swedish medical doctor, Sebastian Rushworth:
“Covid is over in Sweden. People have gone back to their normal lives and barely anyone is getting infected any more. I am willing to bet that the countries that have shut down completely will see rates spike when they open up. If that is the case, then there won’t have been any point in shutting down in the first place … Shutting down completely in order to decrease the total number of deaths only makes sense if you are willing to stay shut down until a vaccine is available. That could take years. No country is willing to wait that long.”

Prager resumes:
“…The lockdown is a crime. But even more upsetting is that it is supported by so many Americans. This country is unrecognizable to those of us who lived through the 1968-1970 pandemic, which killed, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, approximately 100,000 Americans — the 2020 equivalent of 170,000 Americans. Nothing shut down. Not one mask was worn.”
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September 2, 2020 8:00am
- krazykiwi
  
  Regarding mistake vs evil:
  
  It is a mistake to say “capitalism has failed”
  
  .. but ..
  
  It is evil to engineer economic destruction to give the appearance of failure
  
  Ardern is guilty of both.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:48am
  - oldpark
    
    Think that is bad . How about two of Arderns’ gang . Faafoi and Woods. Kris Faafoi an ex News reporter in another life and Megan Woods ex History teacher in another life as well .
    Both now masquerading as Ministers in Arderns ‘inept inane Peters selected so called Government .
    Sam Morgan a technical whiz kid comes up with a superb type of indentification easy to use card to track the Coronavirus .
    Both clowns turn down his help and advice and tell him he is not needed to make the system achievable. How about that type of arrogance by a couple of people who seem to have tits for hands,and shit for brains.
    That sums up the type of arrogant people who Peters installed to be NZs Government. Go figure.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:41am
- EuropeanCanon
  
  The hoax is unraveling. Cindy can’t admit she is wrong and she has painted herself into a corner.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:51am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
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    yeah right. Wake up bro. Cindy has 62% support.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:07am
    - Ceejay
      
      Ardern is wrong, there’s no doubt about that.
      
      The question is whether enough of the voting public will wake up to that fact by October 17.
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:48am
    - EuropeanCanon
      
      62% support – says who? The media? Those guys?
      
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      September 2, 2020 10:53am
  - Bob
    
    Perhaps Adern has 62% ??, but does the LAbour PArty ??; more like 32% – the blind faithfull.
    Don’t believe the media reporting.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:32am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Wait until the next opinion poll is out. I have the results already leaked to me.
      
      Labour = 62% National 25% ACT = 4% Toxic Greens = 6% NZ First 1% rest of the waste parties = 2%
      
      PM Cindy = 65% Collins = 30%
      
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      September 2, 2020 10:38am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It’s the ballot box that counts, not your wishful feelings.
        If the Arden COL is the best Labour can do MMP and them are finished.
        
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        September 2, 2020 6:15pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Good point. This isn’t a presidential election.
      
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      September 2, 2020 11:07am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Premeditated Mass Murder
  
  Shock Study Finds COVID-19 Lockdowns 10 Times More Deadly Than Virus
  
  Turns out that, according to CDC data, only 6 percent of people on that official death toll list died solely of COVID-19. Six percent.
  
  The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% were already at deaths door in nursing homes.
  
  Now we learn that the coronavirus lockdowns were 10 times more deadly than the virus itself:
  https://www.revolver.news/2020/08/study-covid-19-lockdowns-deadlier-than-pandemic-itself
  
  Department of Justice is Now Investigating Democrat Governors Over Sending COVID Patients to Nursing Homes
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Egr2hAoWsAAUWRQ?format=jpg
  
  Locking down healthy people over a virus that never lived up to the fear porn hype was just plain dumb/evil ??
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:02am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Florida Governor DeSantis: ‘We will never do any of these lockdowns again’
    
    “We will never do any of these lockdowns again, and I hear people say they’ll shut down the country, and honestly, I cringe. The most draconian lockdown in the world has been Peru — military enforced since March. They have the highest per capita mortality in the world from COVID,”
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/desantis-we-will-never-do-any-of-these-lockdowns-again
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:23am
  - SB2
    
    Revolver newspeak!
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:48am
Sigmund Freud

I wonder what freedoms will be gone by lunchtime?
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September 2, 2020 8:01am
- Simon
  
  No questions. Be kind and put on your mask. Now!
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:38am
- Ash
  
  We will never know. Censorship, backroom deals and a paid for media will ensure that.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:18am
- krazykiwi
  
  I work with a children’s charity. I can assure you that, for many of New Zealand’s most needy children, what will be gone by lunchtime will be lunchtime!. Ardern has implemented the biggest leap in poverty in our country’s history.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:35am
- SB2
  
  Sigmund Freud, none like the same as before!
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:49am
PhilBest

The Herald cartoonist this morning has really blundered, making James Shaw the schoolkid responding to a question from the teacher who is reading the class “Animal Farm” by George Orwell. “Bad things can happen when people do things with good intentions” is obviously NOT an insight that any Greenie ever got any time in their life.
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September 2, 2020 8:01am
- hullkiwi
  
  The left commentariat is struggling today.
  
  Media works clearly are supporting Judith Collins, but Ruby Lips and Torrid O”Brien are both struggling to get with the agenda.
  
  But in fairness to O’Brien even she is starting to appreciate that the mood music is changing. I say this because she managed to continue putting the boot into Jimmy Shaw, and called out the “shambles at the border” over Covid testing of border workers. This after Hipkins admitted in interviews yesterday that only 208 out some 5,000 front line border workers had had their second 12 day test. O’Brien actually called out the approach as being shambolic on screen (she’ll be up for reprogramming by Fraser House)!
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:45am
  - Flossie
    
    Ruby lips is a vacuous Cindy supporter and annoys the hell out of me. And she’s getting more “mummsie” by the day.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:02am
    - JackRabbit
      
      When in due course it eventually comes out that NZ public have been conned by fear porn, people like her will distance themselves from Cindy. They will claim they were misled and no-one warned them.
      
      After a bad government is ousted, its hard to find people that admit to having voted them in.
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:34am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes,
        of course…
        They were acting on the best advice at the time…
        
        We’ve already seen that excuse being used quite a few times…
        
        1. It’s not a pandemic. (even tho’ there were outbreaks in numerous countries): It is a pandemic
        2. We can trust China with sharing information: China lied about the start of the outbreak
        2. Don’t wear masks: do wear masks
        3. The virus is eliminated…. woops!!!
        4. It came through the border: it’s a mystery
        
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        September 2, 2020 9:58am
      - GazzaW
        
        5. We were just obeying orders.
        
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        September 2, 2020 10:08am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Who is Ruby lips?
      
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      September 2, 2020 10:21am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Yes, some of us don’t have tv.
        
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        September 2, 2020 11:11am
      - Flossie
        
        A female person who reads the news autocue on TV3’s morning TV offering, and makes inane comments from time to time.
        
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        September 2, 2020 11:45am
      - hullkiwi
        
        She is the foil between Garner and Richardson on TV3 AM in the morning.
        
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        September 2, 2020 11:52am
  - rangitoto
    
    Maybe their share of the $50m bribe has run out.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:44am
- Sacha
  
  “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”
  And my old Mum used to say:
  “He meant well.”
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:15am
Classic Liberal

Save $1.7 billion.

Hosking: the construction industry took 1.7 billion in wage subsidies during L4 lockdown. Hosking and Bridges (and many of us here) argued that construction, and in fact anyone who could work safely should have continued working, instead of that ridiculous and random ‘essential services’ decision.

This is a huge and unnecessary blow to NZ taxpayers.

All just because of Ardern’s stupid panicking decisions.

National should have been louder too about the importance of keeping all safely able industries going.

Ardern’s panicking and NZ sheeple’s unquestioning obedience has destroyed our economy.
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September 2, 2020 8:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  NZ companies will be cheap easy pickings for some well-endowed folks over the next few months.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:18am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    love your optimism thinking the fallout will only affect us for months, Im predicting multiple years perhaps a decade, lots of lingering deaths of businesses that will slowly have a flow on affect erroding others.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think Corporate NZ (whats left) will be cleaned out within a few months.
      
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      September 2, 2020 8:33am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Which means NZ has been colonised economically. This despite politicians for the past 40 years telling us that Overseas investors can’t take our country with them.
        
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        September 2, 2020 10:37am
      - sooty
        
        If we are going to be colonized but don’t know it yet, it may turn out bad for the maori and all the handouts drying up as corporates kick the traces and want more koha to go back to head office overseas!
        
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        September 2, 2020 11:26am
  - Tall Man
    
    Wew have already seen a $3.5 million dollar coporate purchase fall by $1.25 million.
    
    Great for the buyer, not so good for the seller but once a mental commitment to sell is made it is often hard to walk that back.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:25am
- rockape
  
  People forget the more paying the bills and fewer demanding a handout, the less the pain.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:19am
  - JJ56
    
    In that spirit I see the Green School NZ Ltd also picked up over $100k in covid wage subsidy. Other well off employers have covered this themselves.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:34am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I wonder if that was for the 9 teachers they originally advertised for.
      9 teachers for 55 pupils..
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/115162629/hundreds-of-applicants-seek-nine-teaching-jobs-at-countrys-first-green-school
      
      How generous we taxpayers are to deliver such favourable teacher:pupil ratios to these children.
      
      Just a pity that most pupils in NZ aren’t similarly favoured.
      
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      September 2, 2020 8:51am
      - JackRabbit
        
        So the $12M was going to increase staff from 9 to 209? Yeah right!
        
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        September 2, 2020 8:55am
      - Sigmund Freud
        
        Dear Maggie,
        
        These pupils at the Green school are the children of Party apparatchik.
        
        Of course they don’t deserve an ‘ordinary’ school with ‘ordinary’ children (the progeny of those without degrees in ‘Communications’).
        
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        September 2, 2020 9:03am
      - JJ56
        
        16 employees
        
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        September 2, 2020 9:25am
      - sooty
        
        But why would build a vanity school in rual land out the back of beyond?
        At 20/45 thou per year you would think it would be clos to a large population base!
        
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        September 2, 2020 11:29am
      - Pharmachick
        
        Yep tell that to kids in Kawerau, Tok, Taihape, Otara (I could got on but I get the feeling I’m preaching to the choir)…
        
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        September 2, 2020 12:49pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Ardern’s panicking and NZ sheeple’s unquestioning obedience has destroyed our economy.
  
  Correct!
  
  My problem is I can’t find a single main-stream pollie out there ( bar D Seymour) suggesting a way of rebuilding it.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    Even he doesn’t have the answers.
    
    I think that the opposition parties do have a plan but are keeping their powder dry. At least I hope so.
    
    New Zealand is facing a choice between a government that has proven themselves to be abjectly incompetent, highly corrupt and grossly stupid and one that has a proven past record and may be asking for a little trust.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:28am
    - Jimmy White
      
      Every time the opposition have come up with a good Idea the COL of failures have come out with the line:
      “We have been planning that idea, you have just stolen it”
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:06am
    - Bob
      
      Tall Man, you’ve cottoned on to the National & ACT respective election strategies.
      Until they know if there is actually going to be an election they will be keeping ‘Mum’.
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:37am
      - Sacha
        
        @ Bob: We were saying that when everyone was berating Simon Bridges for not saying whet National would do if returned to government.
        If you start baying for blood before the hunt starts you give the game away.
        
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        September 2, 2020 11:21am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    tbh theres no point having a rebuild plan when you dont even know how bad the damage is yet.
    we need a competent govt that can stop the bleeding and stabilise the country and only then can a recovery take place.
    
    as shitty of a prospect it is having a labour govt next 3 years if I was national I wouldnt wana be in the hotseat after the election as I think no matter what party wins itll be their last term for quite some time.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:28am
- Tall Man
  
  I agree that National dropped the ball here but, and it is a big but, any view expressed that contradicted the little princess would have been vilified ceaselessly by the press, social media and blog trolls. We saw a minor attack on Simon Bridges for trying to speak out so imagine that campaign massively magnified.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:22am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    any view expressed that contradicted the little princess would have been vilified ceaselessly by the press,
    
    TM, that is why we pay pollies the big bucks.
    
    Poor little snowflakes need to start earning their pay!
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:32am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Agreed. Still, National needed a stronger, louder, unified message from all the MPs: keep all able industries going.
    
    Only adult reasoning can show the public that the fairy princess isn’t real.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:34am
    - kloyd0306
      
      No matter how strong and loud their message is, the apathetic, Labour arse-licking media will not allow that message to get out.
      
      The reason that Cinders has a 62% approval rating is all due to the sycophantic media, assisted by doting TV1 female viewers and scared-shit oldies.
      
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      September 2, 2020 10:25am
      - Flossie
        
        Female and “oldie”… definitely do NOT dote!
        
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        September 2, 2020 11:47am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Don’t believe the 62%. That has to be phoney. No Nat supporter is going to give a pollster the real info.
        The numbers are easy to create and promote when you have a $50M media pay out.
        
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        September 2, 2020 6:26pm
  - Simon
    
    “and it is a big but, any view expressed that contradicted the little princess would have been vilified ceaselessly by the press, social media and blog trolls”
    
    Agree. But worse. Every Covid19 death would have been blamed on National.
    
    But that was 4 months ago. National are the opposition. They have not got a grip yet on anything. National seem so passive simply waiting for Labour’s mistakes. Its not good enough.
    
    Does explain though why so many National types have TDS.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:37am
    - crikey
      
      “National seem so passive simply waiting for Labour’s mistakes.”
      
      Timing is everything.
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:41am
      - artemisia
        
        National are releasing policy at opportune times. Education for example. Means they have policy ready in the back pocket.
        
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        September 2, 2020 11:21am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Your now admitting Labour makes mistakes–good.
      
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      September 2, 2020 6:28pm
- Simon
  
  Dont ask questions you are now instructed to put the mask on.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:25am
- Ash
  
  Although I support the tenor of your post, it is the workers who get the wage subsidy. Either that or unemployment. Please anyone correct me but apart from Jacindas favourites most businesses are only eligible for loans to cover their operating costs?
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:22am
Yvette

The Greens didn’t just advocate for this wealthy elite private school with 25 domestic students to get $12 million of taxpayer funding, they demanded it.
… and they got it!

Meanwhile –
Jacinda Ardern said the project was about job creation and didn’t come at the expense of any funding for state schools. He [Shaw] advocated for a project that ultimately Crown infrastructure partners said ticked all the boxes when it comes to supporting jobs in the region, which this project does.” – 1 News

Further –
Mr Peters said the blame rested solely on Mr Shaw.
“Experience in Government matters. Seriously, it’s very important and no more than now,” he said.
“This is a mistake of bad fiscals, bad understanding of the marketplace and, worse still, of a very uncertain applicant.”

While it is an anathema to use Winston’s words to point out in this instance that Ardern is apparently again being untruthful, I trust Winston’s mis-speaks will be remembered by voters as well – that he allows Shane to count trees that are planted by commercial Forestry but not mature trees that the same agency fells, and that the oil and gas ban was an outside-of-Cabinet horse-trade for his paranoiac wake-jumping law, and as likely as much blackmail as Shaw’s initial success.

But –
‘We will always fix it’: Jacinda Ardern’s promise to NZ over COVID-19 mistakes
She acknowledged the message urging 700,000 Aucklanders to get tested without symptoms was a mistake, which is currently being investigated.
“I will stand in front of you any time you ask me and acknowledge when there’s been a mistake or a failing, and I will take responsibility for fixing it. I know what New Zealanders are sacrificing, I know what they’re having to give up, I know what Aucklanders have had to do over the last couple of weeks, and I know it’s been hard.
“We will be accountable. We will never shy away from standing in front of you and answering the questions, and equally – the most important thing – we will always fix it.”

If this is in fact not another lie, I will expect Ardern to call James Shaw and explain to him how he “can fix it” in the face of the chorus of her Ministers who say they now can’t.
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September 2, 2020 8:04am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “I will stand in front of you any time you ask me and acknowledge when there’s been a mistake or a failing, and I will take responsibility for fixing it.”
  
  Translation: I will acknowledge when other people make mistakes and I will be the anointed saviour on my white horse, rocking my Joan of Arc look, to fix it.
  
  What about taking responsibility for leading the country into repeated lockdowns due to poor decision-making, over-reliance on (naturally risk-averse) bureaucrats, and failing utterly to follow through on the orders you’ve given?
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:22am
  - jv
    
    And like it or not the Labour Ministers on the Committee approved it, doesn’t matter if it was Shaw’s bribe they were complicit in the approval. The usual bluster, fluster and obfiscation from the PM.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:52am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And the PM and her Cabinet decided that it was OK to shovel out millions of $$$$$ without any decent oversight by herself, her finance minister, or even the Parliamentary cat.
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:00am
      - Jimmy White
        
        Just pass the money through a flap so you can’t see who’s taken it.
        
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        September 2, 2020 9:08am
      - Bob
        
        The cat on its own, would have made a wiser decision than the COL
        
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        September 2, 2020 9:40am
- Ruawai
  
  As I see it the only thing really wrong with this is that the Greens are against Private Schools, oh unless it is a Green private school, hypocrisy! The PGF is giving most of the money away to private entities not public schools the state schools were never going to get this money.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:54am
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://greenschool.nz/admissions/
  Under programs
  I don’t see:
  Numeracy (maths) anywhere
  Literacy only appears at intermediate level.
  Don’t see any “higher learning prep”
  Don’t see any “trades” prep
  So …what do they “teach” here?
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:58am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    They teach ‘Das Capital’ for 13 goddamn years.
    
    (Even Karl gave up on it and it was up to Engels to finish it 🙂
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:05am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Children today we will learn the art of Crystal healing 101: “If you have loose bowels shove one up……”
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:12am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Make sure you are standing upside down, underneath a Geodisic dome built in a valley facing north where the unicorns play, on the top of a hill with unobstructed views in the lea of the nearby blocking volcano…..
      
      All will be sweetness and light….
      
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      September 2, 2020 10:50am
  - Flossie
    
    Yoga?
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:19am
Loddenthinks

Good morning fellow KBers! What stories of ineptness, chicanery and corruption from our elected and anointed leaders will emerge today, I wonder?
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September 2, 2020 8:05am
- Scott
  
  Loddenthinks – I agree that our anointed leaders will continue their inept path.
  Over in America Joe Biden has heard about our inept leaders and said, “you think your guys are inept? Hold my beer!”
  
  This from Joe Biden’s latest speech. It has no audience and there are no reporters and no questions. Despite this he gives us a veritable word salad of incoherent thought. Does anyone seriously think this guy has what it takes to be president of the United States?
  
  I think, and I’m sure our Prime Minister agrees with me, that it’s important to be kind. So the kindest thing in America would be for someone from the Democrat party to take Joe by the hand and find him a nice rest home. Somewhere where he can sit quietly with his slippers and a nice cup of cocoa and he can reminisce to his grandchildren about what a great VP he was. That would be the kindest thing. 🙂
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/joe-biden-what-is-the-merciful-course.php
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:10am
  - emmess
    
    The plan is for that to happen of November 4
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:23am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    I admit I had to watch that video 4 or 5 times to check it wasn’t doctored as it’s so bad. As far as I can tell, it’s an uninterrupted Biden word salad.
    Anyone thinking that voting for Biden over Trump is a good decision, needs to watch that. All the democrats have is, “Orange man bad”.
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:14am
- igm
  
  Get it right, from the PTPM down they were not “Elected”, they were “Selected” by a toxic and vile gnome.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:27am
- Jimmy White
  
  Lodden: Think, more than 50% of the words in your posted would be far above the reading capability of Cabinet. Please post so that even a Chippie server would understand.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:16am
Tony Stuart

It’s 8.07am, and James Shaw is the male co-leader of the Green Party…
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September 2, 2020 8:08am
- pdm
  
  Inv – he remains so because Males are very thin on the ground in the upper echelons of the Green Party.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    They have “upper echelons”? Who knew …….
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:30am
    - sooty
      
      Can James Shaw be replaced by a lesbian who identifies as a male?
      
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      September 2, 2020 8:40am
      - Tall Man
        
        So that’s a no about the “upper echelons” ….
        
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        September 2, 2020 8:48am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It seems terribly dated to be even considering the matter of gendered leaders..
        
        What does it matter if the Leader of the party is a male or a female, or identifies as both or neither?
        Seems the Green Party needs to move into the 21st Century and just accept people for who they are and what skills/abilities they bring to the leadership role.
        
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        September 2, 2020 9:12am
      - Jimmy White
        
        I thought he was!
        
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        September 2, 2020 9:17am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Oh Maggy, that’s how many of us were brought up in the 70s: ‘I’m ok, you’re ok, race and gender are irrelevant’.
        
        But you see, that’s somehow become ‘racist’ and ‘sexist’ now. Now it’s all about identity politics, unless your identity is wrong of course. If you’re ’pale, stale and male’ you’re not ok.
        
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        September 2, 2020 9:30am
      - Brian Marshall
        
        @Maggy. That’s very White Supremacist™️ of you to assume that. In case you haven’t heard, judging people on the basis of their ability with no regards to their intersectionality attributes, is racist, sexist, Homophobic, trans-exclusionary and a number of ‘ists ’ and ‘ics’ that haven’t been invented yet. It’s all symbols of white supremacy and must’ve destroyed. So just to recap, judging people on the basis of their race and sex, is bad, judging people without taking account of their race and sex is even worse.
        Anyone else feel like we’re living in a clown world?
        
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        September 2, 2020 10:21am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Brian Marshall
        
        That’s very White Supremacist™️ of you to assume that
        
        Well that’s the problem with being the daughter of a dunny cleaner from Castlecliff..
        I just can’t remove the stench of my white privilege.
        
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        September 2, 2020 12:00pm
    - Flossie
      
      Are they not all equal? Full party member consultation is their byword!
      
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      September 2, 2020 11:50am
- alloytoo
  
  Shaw was, until yesterday the reasonable friendly face of the Greens.
  
  Who, irrespective of their gender, is left?
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:13am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah , lots of people opined he was a nice guy etc.
    
    The mask slipped and he’s no different from any of the other vultures in this regime greedily picking over the carcass of New Zealand taxpayers/workers , all enabled by Her Holiness of the Plague .
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:22am
    - calendar girl
      
      kowtow, somebody conferred the title “Princess of the Plague” – one that (assisted by alliteration) also sits well on our current PM’s shoulders.
      
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      September 2, 2020 11:11am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  do greens even have swords to fall on? he may need to sharpen up a stick or something.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:15am
  - alex Masterley
    
    No, misceants are flagelated around the Maypole.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:19am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Oooh err! Where do I sign up?
      
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      September 2, 2020 8:24am
      - Tall Man
        
        Flagellator or flagellated?
        
        Asking for a friend 🙂
        
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        September 2, 2020 8:31am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Is there a cock wearer suitable to replace him or will the sheilas decide to do away with the sham dual-leadership until a suitable transexual candidate appears?
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:15am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s a fair question. Since the Greens are usually at the vanguard of this gender nonsense, any one of the sheilas could simply identify as a man and they’d all fall over themselves to be kind and respectful.
    
    The next logical and obvious (and only fair) development would be to have 73 co-leaders, one of each of the many and wonderful “genders” currently agreed on. Check back this afternoon though, there’ll be another half dozen or my name’s not ~~Grant Robertson~~ Jack Robinson.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:28am
- JackRabbit
  
  A few hundred years ago, he would have been tarred and feathered before breakfast.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:27am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  He will be your Deputy PM on oct 18th. Move on will ya?
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:10am
  - Sacha
    
    You DO love to keep us grounded, don’t you, Sir C?
    I wonder if you are right.
    
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    September 2, 2020 11:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    ??? Have you been to Jim’s xtal school?
    Ardern has Muslim prayers, Shaw helps set up a school invoking demonic forces.
    God defend New Zealand.
    
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    September 2, 2020 6:33pm
    - Swifty
      
      “…a school invoking demonic forces…”
      
      Demons? Demonic forces?
      
      Mate, you’re as bad as the Green School galactic-traveller nutjobs.
      
      Wake up man.
      
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      September 2, 2020 6:52pm
- JibberJabber
  
  I’m sure there’ll be a party member that’ll ~~Strap-on~~ …er…step up to the role…
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:33am
- plc
  
  You seriously think Shaw will resign after being caught out as a matter of principle?
  
  You obviously weren’t watching the early episodes where Golly G was:
  
  1. Found to being Defending a Rwanda Genocider
  2. On the other side of the country when Tehran was bombed in Iran-Iraq War (though she clearly remembers the bombs falling on her on her way to school)
  3. A refugee rather than, as it transpired, an economic migrant
  
  The only principles in the Green Party do strange things with crystals
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:48am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Shaw should resign now that the email proves he did not “make a mistake”, he held the COL to ransom unless they approved the $11.7m he would not sign off on the other projects.
  He should resign but of course he will not.
  They have virtually run out of males.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:36am
Simon

Where are the tax cuts? Little weirdo James Shaw aint up to it.

GST down to 0% for next 2 years. Direct benefit to the people. Keep weirdo Shaw out of it.
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September 2, 2020 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  As a ‘team of 5 million’ everyone should bear the brunt of this hysterical response. GST is the fairest tax in the land.
  
  Instead take taxes off income. Reward workers and savers not bludgers.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:26am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Wouldn’t that be luverly. Great fun with different businesses having different rates as changes could not be made together. GST is now in seriously in tech supply control.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:30am
- Tall Man
  
  I personally would prefer a higher level of non taxable income but a small increase in gst.
  
  Was at the supermarket yesterday. Previously our favourite crackers would be 2 for $5.00. Now they are 2 for $6.00.
  
  I guess the supermarket chain is trying to recoup the massive losses they sustained during lockdown ……….
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:34am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Very droll.
    
    However, the cracker manufacturer probably is running at half capacity, their staff are staying at home because the benefit is worth more than getting up in the morning, and the cost of trucking has gone up because apparently we needed to increase RUC again to pay for all the exciting new green road infrastructure we are enjoying(!) and finally:
    
    they charge you because they can. Whatyagoingtodoaboutit?
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:03am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Whatyagoingtodoaboutit?”
      
      Bought another brand.
      
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      September 2, 2020 1:58pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Don’t worry: Greens want to rebuild NZ by taking any assets above one million you have prepared for retirement. Ie many older people who have gone to the trouble of paying off a house in Auckland and saving something to help pay the rates and inflationary price of living.
    
    How dare people save a few assets! Tax is love! Nothing really belongs to people but to the state!
    
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    September 2, 2020 11:21am
- Ruawai
  
  If the Greens had any principals they would have gone with National last election and would have got a much better deal and could be saving the environment from a position of power rather than number 3 in the dinner line for scraps.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:59am
  - Colville
    
    If the Greens had any principals….
    
    and there is the problem right there….
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:06am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    They no longer give a flying f about the environment. Proof: not a word for years about overpopulation. Now they’re all about ‘let’s crowd more people into the world by just eating lentils, have busier cities, using public transport and making earners and savers pay for other people’s benefits’.
    
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    September 2, 2020 11:27am
Frank the tank

I wonder if we’ll find any political donation links between the Taranaki Ewok village and Labour/Greens?

Also how is a school without the necessary MOE approvals ‘shovel ready’?
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September 2, 2020 8:10am
JackRabbit

I have been posting on KB for some time, that viruses are fundamentally parasites. I have also said you cannot vaccinate against parasites, so I would be cautious about any vaccine that claims to be effective against Covid-19. Myself, and others have pointed out that flu vaccines do work that well, if at all.

I have also provided links to that fact that cluster deaths are not new, and that when flu cluster deaths occur, the fatalities also include those that have had their flu shots.

There is a general consensus amongst many, that majority of the Covid-19 deaths were due to existing co-morbidities. Co-morbidities that would have resulted in death anyway, either directly, or during the flu season. This has been borne out in the recent CDC update that 94% of Covid-19 deaths were due to existing co-morbidities, and only 6% directly from Covid-19.

I have also pointed out that natural health practitioners know about parasites, and the better ones will put you on a parasite cleanse from the outset. I’m a strong believer that nutrition and prevention play a big part of remaining healthy.

I’m also a strong advocate of Aged Garlic Extract because it boosts the immune system and is part of an arsenal of products that keep parasites at bay. I’ve long had the belief that keeping parasites under control helps keep illness at bay.

Some people on here have kept posting about Hydroxychloroquine and its effectiveness, despite the fact that Trump gets slammed in the media about it.

It was of interest therefore, that I came across this article yesterday, by Simon Yu. It was published back in April, so I offer apology if someone has posted it here previously. In any event it is worth re-reading. Among other things, it shows why anti-malarial (anti-parasitical) medicines are so effective, and the importance of prevention and treating the underlying causes and the body as a whole.

“Dr. Tom Frieden, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), opened up a new front in the Coronavirus War by saying we don’t just need to treat the acute disease, we need to treat the underlying conditions that make people more susceptible to serious disease progression.”

“Viruses are technically parasites, a gray area between living and non-living.”

“They can stay dormant for many years or be active seasonally, and are capable of growth and multiplication only in living cells as unwanted guests, just like parasites. Parasites have their own parasites, fungi, mycoplasma, bacteria and many types of viruses.”

The article is not long and worth a read in full. It is a rational perspective that we are not hearing in the media.

https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2020/04/15/covid-19-hidden-coinfections-and-chain-reactions-parasitic-infectious-relationships-within-us/
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- JackRabbit
  
  Should be: “Myself, and others have pointed out that flu vaccines don’t work that well, if at all.”
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:24am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Flu vaccines do have the problem that the flu virus is a “supermutator”; the virus is composed of (I think) around 7 specific functional bits, and these bits can be swapped amongst viruses. The important 5ing about this is that these “bits” (trying to keep it jargon free) are already proven functional and usually have some specific advantages and disadvantages for particular situations. So the flu virus can swap these bits around very rapidly to create viruses that look new to a body’s immune system yet will work as a virus.
    
    By contrast viruses such as Measles and Beta Corona Viruses like COVID do not have these functional subunits. They consist of a single strand (RNA for both I think) that mutates quite rapidly (RNA is less stable than DNA) but almost all mutations are either neutral (one in four in each codon is redundant to the specifying of an amino acid so a change does not change the protein produced though it may affect the stability and folding) or deleterious. New version can (and do) evolve but at a lower rate compared to flu, and it is harder to go backwards to an “older” version.
    
    Just as an example, using the H and N subunits of the flu virus there are around 150 possible variants of which over 100 have actually been seen in the wild. So although H1N1 for example is a common human flu virus, H7N23 exists but does poorly in humans generally. Others are far more lethal than the common versions, but spread very poorly.
    
    So making a vaccine against flu is very hard, there are many varieties around and the vaccine has to be produced in advance, so it is always a bit of a guess as to which version will dominate when the vaccine is being used. A few years back they got it rather wrong and the vaccine was only about 30% effective; other years the effectiveness is much higher.
    
    So a vaccine for COVID is likely to be easier and more effective than a flu vaccine, and will probably last for some years. But nothing is certain and a new mutation of the S protein that most vaccines are targeting could appear and make current vaccines ineffective; that has some probability.
    
    We are likely to see vaccines for COVID by late this year to early/mid next year. They are likely to be reasonably effective and pretty safe – as long as proper testing procedures are followed. Proper testing though does delay release.
    
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    September 2, 2020 2:05pm
- emmess
  
  Interesting, and regarding your points mentioned, this is worth reposting
  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/08/04/an_effective_covid_treatment_the_media_continues_to_besmirch_143875.html
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:30am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Thanks.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:50am
- Andrew Worth
  
  “This has been borne out in the recent CDC update that 94% of Covid-19 deaths were due to existing co-morbidities, and only 6% directly from Covid-19.”
  
  No, the 94% include the immediate cause of death – as death certificates should include when that information is available, that is the symptoms that directly cause the death that are the result of having the disease.
  How does Covid kill? Things like “respiratory failure, pneumonia, cardiac arrest” those are some of the causes listed on the CDC site.
  
  Arguing that such things are comorbidities is like arguing that a stabbing victim wasn’t just killed by being stabbed as there was the “comorbidity” of blood loss and cardiac arrest.
  
  https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-muRM3tB3uBdbTrmKwH1NdaBx6PpZo2kxotNwkUXlnbZXCwSRP2OmqsI
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:51am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Andrew, most flu deaths are from co-morbidities.
    People that were on the slippery slope, and would have been pushed over by a strong flu. That is not to belittle any death, as any death is unfortunate, but it has to be in context.
    
    Your example of stabbing is grasping at straws. Stabbing is a deliberate act to kill, Covid-19 is not, unless there is something you know that you are not sharing. Blood loss and cardiac arrest as a direct result of a stabbing, is not a pre existing co-morbidity. We are talking about pre-existing co-morbidities.
    
    >>>”Things like “respiratory failure, pneumonia, cardiac arrest” those are some of the causes listed on the CDC site.
    
    Co-morbidites are common. I lost two friends to Asthma / Lung Disease. One died of a heart attack during an asthma attack as his heart could not get oxygen. The other died during a heart transplant to replace his enlarged heart caused by decades of smoking. Heart issues were not the primary cause of death, lung disease was.
    
    The point is, Covid-19 is not killing healthy people. It is mostly people who are on that path already.
    
    As the article says, getting rid of underlying health health issues is paramount.
    
    Sensationalising Covid-19 is wrong when people die every year from other viruses such as the flu.
    
    It would be like posting the daily stats of how many people died or were injured from driving Govt Ford Crown Vics in the USA. Shock, and horror. But the reality is that if they were driving any other brand of car, the stats would be similar.
    
    In any event, hanging out for a stillborn vaccine is not the answer.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:21am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Well said
      Worth’s rubbish is getting tiresome.
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:45am
    - Andrew Worth
      
      JackRabbit, you miss my point, the 6% refers to deaths with “only covid-19 mentioned” as the cause of death on the death certificate, but covid actually causes the true cause of death: respiratory failure, pneumonia etc. Whenever someone dies from a bacterial or viral disease or bullet etc the death certificate will usually mention the IMMEDIATE cause of death, something brought on by the infection or bullet.
      
      I’m not disputing that true comorbidities – conditions independent of covid – ARE a factor in the majority of covid deaths, but not 94%.
      
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      September 2, 2020 11:16am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Andrew there is a difference between IMMEDIATE cause of death and ACTUAL cause of death.
        
        The 94% that die with co-morbidites died from the co-morbidites. i.e. conditions that existed, that given a nudge by something else, will result in death. That something else could be any annual flu, a bad flu, a corona virus, Covid-19 and so on.
        
        From a statisticial point of view, Covid-19 is part of the Corona Virus genus, which is part of the virus genus, of which other viruses including more common viruses and flus belong.
        
        The media narrative is “Here are a whole bunch that out of the blue dropped dead from Covid-19. If it weren’t for Covid-19, they would be alive today.”
        
        This is patently untrue, since those same people would have died with most other (annual) virus variants. And the numbers are not that different to other BAD flu years.
        
        It would be comparable to saying 1642 people died last month in the US driving a Mitsubishi high on drugs. Therefore Mitsubishi is the problem, and that without Mitsubishi those people would be alive today. The cause is not the Mitsubishi, it is the pre-existing condition of being high on drugs.
        
        And it would not matter which car model they were driving, the pre-existing condition still existed.
        
        This is all part of disaster analysis, Air crash Investigation, etc. There are usually always at least two parts to any disaster or unfortunate event.
        
        You are diagnosed with a brain aneurysm and then go bungy jumping anyway. You die and your family blame the bungy company, but cause of death was your stupidity. Same with people who go into the mountains ill prepared.
        
        A faulty building design and then an earthquake, and lots of people die. The cause was the design, not the earthquake.
        
        Using cheap replacement non-hardened bolts in a aircraft tail fin mount and then a sudden course change and the tail sheers off.
        
        Having a bad heart, or lung disease and then staying in hospital for knee surgery, and you catch the flu while in hospital and die. As happens every year in NZ. In NZ far far more people die annually from catching the flu in hospital, than have died from Covid-19. Staying in a germ laden hospital with existing co-morbidities can be really bad for your health.
        
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        September 2, 2020 12:51pm
      - Andrew Worth
        
        “Andrew there is a difference between IMMEDIATE cause of death and ACTUAL cause of death.”
        That’s what I’ve been saying, actual cause of death might be a certain virus, or a bullet, immediate cause of death respiratory failure or loss of blood.
        You obviously haven’t been paying attention.
        
        “This is patently untrue,” no, in the majority of cases it is patently TRUE.
        JackRabbit, your claim might make sense if there hadn’t been a significant number of excess deaths in countries that have had large numbers of covid deaths.
        https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries
        
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        September 2, 2020 2:40pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Tucker Carlson: The Truth behind the CDC “6%” COVID mortality rate statistics being shared online
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-88-_KH501k
    
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    September 2, 2020 11:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  94% of the deaths had serious co-morbidities and 78% very old. Studies are popping up now showing that our elderly are the ones who have been affected. Remind you of the flu?
  
  Epidemiologists can lock down viri is petri dishes but national lockdown is out of their vision. That requires quantification of risk and loss across society as a whole. People who miss scheduled appointments are at risk too. Missing an early diagnosis can be a sure route to death. Epidemiologists only look at containing one thing not the side affects. Those have to be evaluated at a competent, responsible, higher political level to measure the compromises and results. Simplicity is found in kindergartens the grown ups are at uni.
  
  The virus is not a parasite in the conventional way like a burrowing worm. It requires host activation to multiply. The usual beach and sunshine obliterate it. It seems responsive to the usual good health regimes which include vitamin D and minerals like zinc. We are very complex chemical engineers internally and those trace elements are required for good functioning. Consider we make our own adrenaline and there are about 40 chemical states required to achieve that–mind boggling complexity, all from a random outcome?
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:52am
  - Sacha
    
    Nursing Homes.
    Does anyone ever stop to think of WHY they are called that?
    Could it be that the ‘residents’ (I would call them patients) need nursing? That they are not well enough, for whatever reason, to look after themselves?
    They are ‘end-of-life’ facilities, largely under-staffed by people uneducated in matters of hygiene, and the bottom line has priority.
    Given that such people have poor general health, reduced immune responses, and often live in draught-free, crowded quarters, it’s not surprising.
    Hospitals, until the ’70s used to have wards full of ‘nursing care’ patients. They were the ones who had had strokes, or were somewhat demented. In an effort to release beds for burgeoning numbers of acute patients, the ‘nursing care’ people were sent out to nursing homes, which at that time were usually run by retired nurses in family homes after the kids had left home.
    It wasn’t long before there were ‘standards’ imposed and then the big boys moved in, and it became all about the money. Now, you can buy into a retirement village knowing that there will be a ‘nursing care’ bed available at the End.
    Pneumonia used to be called ‘the old people’s friend’. Once contracted, a peaceful death would occur within 3-4 days. It was not feared.
    
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    September 2, 2020 11:49am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Hydroxychloroquine Greatly Reduces COVID-19 Mortality
  
  “There’s been a massive disinformation campaign that stretches from government to the media that’s either suppressing this message, or it is countering it with a false message, and I’m not an expert in the reasons why that’s happening other than just observing it, but I am an expert in the science and I can tell you the science is all one sided. In fact, the science is so one sided in supporting this result that it’s stronger than anything else I’ve ever studied in my entire career. The evidence in favor of hydroxychloroquine benefit in high risk patients treated early as outpatients is stronger than anything else I’ve ever studied.
  I conclude the evidence is overwhelming. There’s no question that the people who need to be treated and are treated early, it has a very substantial benefit in reducing risk of hospitalization or mortality.” – Dr. Harvey Risch – Professor of Epidemiology with of over 300 peer-reviewed publications.
  
  https://c19study.com/
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:53am
  - RichardX
    
    Alternative opinions to Dr Harvey Risch’s opinion, including the publisher of his original article “Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in High Risk Outpatients with COVID-19”.
    
    https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa189/5898696
    
    https://mashupmd.com/yale-epidemiologist-harvey-risch-defends-hydroxychloroquine-in-newsweek-badly-respectful-insolence/
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:20am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and yet even a cursory search, show many Dr’s who have prescribed it….have found it to be very effective.
      
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      September 2, 2020 10:50am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
        
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        September 2, 2020 10:53am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Anecdotal evidence is of limited use. But HCQ is very cheap and has a very well known risk profile; and it seems that the only thing actually preventing its early use in those infected (and don’t have a disqualifying condition) is politics. That is an extremely bad reason, killing potentially hundreds of thousands of people just to “pwn” Trump.
        
        And the science is actually reasonably supportive of HCQ if used early in the course of the disease. It isn’t a cure as such, but it does appear to reduce viral load and reduce the progression to a more serious stage of the disease in at least some people. It is far better supported in the literature (and a damn sight cheaper) than Remdesvir yet RDV has been further recommended by NIH in the US.
        
        I just don’t get the opposition to the use of HCQ. At the very very worst it is unlikely to cause any problems if used within existing guidelines (it has a 65 year history of use as an anti-malarial and is not considered a problem to use for extended periods as long as certain conditions are not present); and within reasonable expectations it will actually save a lot of lives and costs. Why the opposition, because Orange Man Bad, really ?
        
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        September 2, 2020 2:15pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    BTW
    AM show had a guy on who’s working on a NZ vaccine.
    Listening
    It appears he has been given $1.5mill
    ( a pittance) I actually know this would not purchase even the base lab equipment, let alone salaries, lab space etc etc.
    Listening to him obfuscate around where he is at.
    He has barely started, it sounds like he is at the computer modelling stage.
    So no potential samples, no testing etc
    Russia…Not to be trusted me thinks
    The USA and
    Britain
    are at stage 3 trials, making our efforts a waste of time and $30mill the govt said they would put in.
    The above countries could be there as early as the new year, he is claiming MAYBE 2022.
    Would it not be better to put this $ 30 mill, into these other programs to guarantee earlier access to their vaccine?
    
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    September 2, 2020 1:51pm
- SB2
  
  Tell us what antibiotic GP’s should prescribe for Covid 19?
  
  Merely another tiresome myth like the hydroxychloroquine one!
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:01am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Don’t be ignorant SB, the antibiotic was prescribed with HCQ as an extra to assist with bacterial infections that can co-exist with the virus. Subsequent testing has not shown that the be particularly beneficial, and most recent work focuses on HCQ plus bio-available zinc as one of the possible ways that HCQ works is by boosting zinc in cell membranes – a process that is known to hinder viral replication.
    
    No HCQ proponent is suggesting that the antibiotic has a direct effect on the virus, and many do not consider that using one is necessary.
    
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    September 2, 2020 2:21pm
- IC5000
  
  > I have also pointed out that natural health practitioners know about parasites
  
  I hope you limit your exposure to this quackery
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:26am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I thought most “natural health practitioners” WERE parasites.
    
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    September 2, 2020 2:16pm
Maggie Pie

NZH

‘Man admits inserting Crystals in bum can be uncomfortable ……wife finds it funny’

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1300318705042112512/4uGfUkTv?format=jpg&name=small
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September 2, 2020 8:12am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Stop it! Hahahahahahahaha
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:31am
- Tall Man
  
  Stupid is a stupid does … Any fool knows they don’t go in sideways FFS!
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:36am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “Man admits inserting Crystals in bum can be uncomfortable”
  The joy of punctuation:
  Man admits inserting Crystal’s in bum can be uncomfortable
  Changes the whole meaning.
  Crystal’s what?
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:51am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Who’s Crystal? And a salutory warning about the dangers of untrained pegging?
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:06am
  - Jimmy White
    
    You have let the cat out of the Bag Crystal the Green new go leader. Won by 9inches
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:23am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Perfect, so Crystal is a non-gendered person of colour?
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:37am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    You would be better at explaining the importance of punctuation to a class of 15 year old boys than any member of the PTPA.
    And for those who do not know; the PTPA is the Paid Teachers’ Propaganda Association.
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:18am
Happychappy

How can James Shaw Leader of the Green Party expect the public to except his opology after it has been revealed he refused to sign off 3 Billion dollars of Infrastructure Projects unless the Green School was included.
This borders on blackmail as Treasury had advised against them getting the 11.2 million dollar grant as the School did not qualify as the School never had the full education approvals need ed for a private School.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/green-co-leader-james-shaw-refused-to-sign-off-on-3bn-of-infrastructure-projects-unless-green-school-was-included.html
So for James Shaw to plead that he made a mistake is a bit rich and now joins the a group of Leaders Jacinda Ardern and Winston Peters in the Coalition that cannot distinguish the differences between truth and fact.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/424949/treasury-opposed-green-school-grant-over-lack-of-approvals
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September 2, 2020 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  How can the PM be left off the hook ? Surely she’d a been briefed there was an inter trougher stoush going on.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    Are you sure? I didn’t see it on the telly last week!
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:36am
- Ruawai
  
  Has Shane Jones managed to give away all 3 billion? Surely with Covid looming the Govt should have stopped spending this money like any good household or business does when times are tough you reduce your spending.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:02am
- Ruahine
  
  New headline.
  Weak and stupid Labour Gov’t Ministers allow themselves to be pushed around by the Greens.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:20am
Simon

When are Labour going to release their wealth tax policies?

“Wealth tax” = the average value of an Auckland house is taxed.

Cant hide forever scum.
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September 2, 2020 8:20am
- Inandout
  
  Simon, Auckland has hugely over priced dwellings and as such is a tax base in waiting.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:32am
  - Simon
    
    “hugely over priced dwellings”
    
    Comrade that isnt what the market is saying.
    
    But the point was a “wealth tax” is designed to hit those who work hard and save etc. Normal people. Not the 1%.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:46am
    - Inandout
      
      Simon, I have been around long enough to know ‘the market’ is ‘adjusted’ by those who profit most from a hot real estate market. I also remember the ’89 crash and the forlorn faces at an almost empty Queen St Stock Exchange, whereas a week before the place resembled a frantic nightclub.
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:57am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Even if prices went down, do you think council valuation of our houses would go down and the Greens would damand less wealth tax? I doubt it.
        
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        September 2, 2020 12:07pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Close it was October 1987, but by Christmas 1990 you could have fired a shot gun up Queen St and not hit anyone.
        
        The impact of the 87 crash was a slow rolling ripple, felt first in the provinces and then slowly impacted the larger centres.
        
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        September 2, 2020 12:38pm
      - david
        
        Classic Liberal ….. you miss the point about Council Rates. The rates are only a calculation that determines who pays what share of the Council’s obscene cash requirement for the coming year. Take demand for $$$$. Divide it by the sum of valuations in the area and voila, the answer is the amount to be applied to each $ of valuation to achieve $xbillion of rates for Council to waste.
        So now drop the valuations. Outcome is a corresponding increase in the applied rate per $ of value to achieve the same collection. In theory it means that rates won’t change but in reality Councils are cautious and hate turning down opportunities to waste So they will naturally add a bit as a buffer.
        
        Lose : Lose
        ?
        
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        September 2, 2020 4:47pm
- igm
  
  You have overlooked our motor vehicles . . . hear they will tax second and subsequent cars as luxuries, along with motorbikes, quads, etc.
  How anyone can support these useless bludging envious scum is beyond reason.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:32am
  - Ruawai
    
    Maybe a tax on extra toilets in houses could earn Govt a bit of money.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:03am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      More than one toilet in a house could be considered a luxury!!!!!
      
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      September 2, 2020 10:49am
      - igm
        
        A certain religion insist on two toilets, even in rentals.
        
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        September 2, 2020 12:29pm
    - Sacha
      
      I think it’s the Taupo District Council that does indeed set its improved value rate based on the number of toilets in a house.
      
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      September 2, 2020 11:54am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Next thing will be if your car is worth over $25,000 they will probably want to tax it (wealth tax). And heaven forbid, if you own a second vehicle well that’s just sheer extravagance and will definitely need to be taxed at a higher rate than your first car!
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:48am
Justitia

Where’s Ashley? Did he approve the message for South Aucklanders to get COVID tested that so upset Jacinda? Did he oppose the government’s decision to release Aucklanders onto the rest of the country that effectively signaled the abandonment of the “elimination strategy”. Alas poor Ashley, a fellow of infinite jest… is he now pulling carrots on a collective in Ohakune? Shovelling slag in a smelter in Southland? Cautiously clutching the curtains in a sinister safe house in Sanson? 1pm is just not 1pm any more…
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September 2, 2020 8:24am
- fernglas
  
  He’s fixing a Health clusterfuck in Otautahi/Christchurch in Aotearoa/New Zealand.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:40am
- DeepBlue
  
  Close, he’s been sent out back reviewing Canterbury District Health Board. No big announcement though, so one of your suggestions could well be true.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:44am
- RF
  
  Ashley is being re educated at his neighbourhood gulag.
  
  Dont expect to hear from him for at least 3 years.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

Judith Collins reckons James Shaw should have resigned.

While he was holding up “shovel-ready projects”, NZers were losing jobs, businesses were beset with uncertainty as to whether their applications were going ahead, and opposition politicians had no idea what was going on with the covid-19 work recovery scheme.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018762191/judith-collins-surprised-james-shaw-didn-t-resign-over-green-school-funding
(from about 1:20)
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September 2, 2020 8:30am
- Tony Stuart
  
  And she’s dead right. Shaw is now a liability to the Greens, as Turei was in 2017.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:39am
- Loddenthinks
  
  How good is JuCo (apparently Cactus Kate calls her that, I kinda like it) dealing with Corrin Dann? Absolutely clear, principled, not afraid to put him back in his box about stupid questions about FB memes.
  
  I loved it when he said one of the memes was racist because it referred to the WuFlu. She said that her husband was part-Chinese, and asked if he was suggesting that her husband was racist against the Chinese? If Dann had back-pedalled any faster, after realising the stupidity of his comment, he would’ve fallen completely off his bike, the poor lad.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:47am
  - Tricati
    
    Judith is awesome when dealing with these MSM muppets – Clear, concise and on message and won’t allow their bullying or bullshit.
    Really refreshing, and the good part is, it comes naturally to her.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:08am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    She was great: “My husband and I are adults and make our own decisions”.
    
    Isn’t that exactly what true liberals have always been wanting? But suddenly MPs are supposed to boss their spouses around, red radio? Pathetic!
    
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    September 2, 2020 12:15pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Or the concept that Husbands are meant to listen to their wives.
      
      Where did that come from?
      
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      September 2, 2020 12:24pm
- Flossie
  
  Some part of me thought his midday stand up yesterday was going to be to announce his resignation.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:24am
cmm

Does anyone else find the recent Adele cultural appropriation spat a bit of a giggle?

Black people wearing Western clothing and straightened hair using English on Twitter to dis some white girl for twisting braids in her hair and wearing a Jamaican flag bikini.
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September 2, 2020 8:32am
- MT_Tinman
  
  I was just reading about this.
  
  What’s the bet the non-whites making the noise (including the males) have all, at some stage, died their hair red or blonde?
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:40am
- sooty
  
  so that’s what the screaming was about!
  I must be old or something, it went whoosh!
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:46am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I looked at the photo for quite some time, but can’t recall any of the words in the article. Damn she’s looking hot these days.
  
  In all seriousness, it’s gone well beyond a giggle – Adele got “shamed” for losing so much weight and looking fit, healthy and fantastic, by the miserable harridan porkers who declare that every body is beautiful and you should be happy whatever your weight and love your body blah blah.
  
  Now she gets “shamed” for wearing her hair like a Bantu and a Jamaican flag bikini in which she looks frankly delicious. I strongly suspect that envy, jealousy and self-loathing are behind all the attempts to “shame” someone else for how they look or what they do. I hope she ignores them and carries on being fabulous.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:53am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    Adele looks HOT! 100% envy. Rissoles!
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:09am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Personally, I think she looked prettier when she carried more weight (and I generally prefer slender ladies).
      
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      September 2, 2020 3:54pm
  - James Stephenson
    
    Happily, the reaction of the Jamaican community to the (let’s face it, mainly white “offended on behalf of…” woke crowd) has been to tell them to STFU, and that what Adele has done is exactly what the carnival is about.
    
    Certainly none of the Jamaican lads I used to know in North London would be demanding she take the bikini off…er, no scratch that, but cultural appropriation wouldn’t be the reason.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:22am
    - kowtow
      
      Carnival ?
      
      Well the Left Footers could get all uppity over these party people culturally appropriating Lent .
      
      And vegans can fuck right off too and keep well out of it as ‘carnival’ is ‘farewell to the flesh’ of animal foods …..
      
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      September 2, 2020 11:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner said he’d ride it into battle 😛
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg2k8CVUMAAXVat?format=jpg&name=900×900
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:39am
  - cmm
    
    Well that hair is nothing like a Bantu hairstyle. It’s missing the mud and hippopotomus fat.
    
    As for the bikini, real cultural appropriation would be a bit more National Geographic.
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:02am
- alloytoo
  
  And apparently Adele grew up in a suburb where that culture was prevalent.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:03am
  - cmm
    
    A white woman growing up in Tottenham is, in itself, cultural appropriation.
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:04am
- Libertarians are right
  
  And she was explicitly doing it to highlight Jamaican culture (due to a Jamaican culture festival being cancelled). It wasn’t just done on a whim.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:09am
  - Ash
    
    It’s because she lost so much weight. The grotesque Luvvies are trying to bring her down.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:32am
- Flossie
  
  I often wonder how it’s okay for a (part) Maori with a moko, and blonded hair and mascara to call out cultural appropriation when anyone adopts one of THEIR tattoo designs etc. Racism is only possible if it’s a white person doing it?
  For the record, I am also part Maori.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:28am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “ . Racism is only possible if it’s a white person doing it?”
    
    Correct, that seems to be the crazy rule. Next year Labour will make it ‘hate speech’ law.
    
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    September 2, 2020 12:23pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      That is why the progressive project of “ending racism” is synonymous with ending white people, and this includes woke white liberals. One only needs to hear them speak to know exactly what their rhetoric entails.
      
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      September 2, 2020 3:56pm
- graham
  
  It is just example number 3,807,432 of what I think the silent majority have all realised for years:
  
  There are some people who will go out of their way to find offence in ANYTHING.
  
  And I am also convinced that a major contributor to this problem, is that these people quite simply spend WA-A-YY too much time analysing and over-thinking things, reading “offence” into situations where none is intended, and most people wouldn’t think twice about.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:41am
- lifesgood
  
  Have you seen photos of Megan Markle as a girl? She had the tightest of afro curls you can imagine. She must spend a fortune on hair straightener to look european. Lol…nothing like a woke hypocrite.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:05am
Critical Thinker

Trump gains the highest Black support since any Republican President has had since President Eisenhower:

Both of the latest Emerson and Democracy Institute polls show that 19% Black Americans now support Trump.
These 2 polls are not outliers. Trump’s approval rating with registered black voters jumped to 24% in the latest Hill-HarrisX poll.
And a recent Rasmussen poll showed President Trump with as much as 36% of the black vote.
(Trump only received 8% of the Black American vote in 2016.)

Also the Emerson poll has Trump Hispanic support now at 37%
While the DI poll has Hispanic support for Trump now at 39%
(Trump only received 29% of the Hispanic vote in 2016.)

The new Emerson poll conducted just days after the Republican National Convention has Donald Trump up 2 percentage points, With Trump now at 47% and Biden at 49%.

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/august-2020-presidential-race-tightens-after-party-conventions

The brutal Presidential debates will undoubtedly see these percentages go up significantly higher, as Trump effortlessly dismantles the dementia addled Biden ?
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September 2, 2020 8:37am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Six Democrat Mayors in Swing State Minnesota Endorse Trump
  
  “Like many in our region, we have voted for Democrats over many decades. Today, we don’t recognize the Democratic Party. It has been moved so far to the left it can no longer claim to be advocates of the working class. The hard-working Minnesotans that built their lives and supported their families here on the Range have been abandoned by radical Democrats. We didn’t choose to leave the Democratic Party, the party left us.
  
  In this election, there is a lot at stake, but the biggest risk is our jobs, our economy, and our way of life. President Trump delivered the best economy in our nation’s history, and President Trump will deliver for us again. He will continue to fight for every American, regardless of party affiliation and continue to stand up for the working class.”
  
  https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-files/press_assets/trump-endorsement-letter.iron-range-mayors.pdf
  
  Trump landslide incoming ?
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:49am
  - Cinematic
    
    And that, in an eloquent nutshell, is why Trump will win.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:01am
- All_on_Red
  
  Don’t worry
  Batman will be along to tell us Trump is going to lose Florida and Texas
  Lol
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:50am
Inandout

Even US blacks believe in gated communities.
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f4ea8401852e24a8c21082a
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September 2, 2020 8:39am
- All_on_Red
  
  And Hispanics love the Wall
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:52am
  - SB2
    
    What wall ?
    
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/fact-check-trump-incomplete-border-wall-update-misstates/story?id=72673037
    
    LOL
    
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    September 2, 2020 11:05am
Paulus

I wonder whether Ardern, Robertson and Squeaky have not made a blunder with outing the Greens over the Greens School.
The application played right into their hands as one way to help destroy the election future of the Greens.
Labour will not get a majority as she and the media party would like us to think actually.
They could well get just below and have the need for the Greens who now may well not get 5%.
Have they not blundered in stuffing (rightly so) the Greens only to find themselves out.
Think about it – Labour are suffering currently and will have a lot of movement to retain their
preeminent position that we ate being conned to believe.
Labour have stuffed their top spot almost by sheer incompetence of the Trojan Four running the country or failing more appropriately.
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September 2, 2020 8:41am
- niggly
  
  Good points, like the ascendancy of “Jacindamania” these things are planned (by Labour Party hierarchy). They may be calculating (like the Right has), that if both NZF and Greens poll “well” but not enough to to break the 5% threshold, their (wasted) redistributed votes will go to Labour (and National) and with Labour leading most of the polls of late, it could be that LP hierarchy are calculating that this will be enough to beat a National/ACT combo. Plus bonus, govern outright themselves!
  
  No-one does Dirty Politics better than Labour!
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:54am
- Gravelroad
  
  Paulus – nice try but I am sure Sir Cullen’s Sidekick will be along in due course to give an update on current polling which, according to him/her, has Labour/St Jacinda on 60% or better.
  I don’t care much about the Peters party which has proven to be full of bumbling time-servers with big egos.
  Would be much more keen to see the back of the Greens who have nothing to recommend them at all. – and who are afflicted with even bigger egos.
  
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  September 2, 2020 8:58am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    I have published the leaked results of the next opinion poll just now. Once the censors of Kiwiblog approve it, you can see.
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:39am
Observer of Life

Was anyone unfortunate enough to sit through Ryan Bridge interviewing our Head Kindy Teacher on the AM Show, Monday gone, where she actually admitted that they first knew of a community case on 31 July? This was the day they started the Covid adverts. She has always denied this but she got a bit distracted by all his questioning and let it slip. Unfortunately he didn’t pick up on it and she got away with it. I wish media outlets would ask her about this .. just another blatant LIE that she’s getting away with.
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September 2, 2020 8:43am
- Scott
  
  Good point Observer of Life – I noticed that we were suddenly getting Covid ads and wondered what it was about? Then the owner of a local café was talking to me about whether we were going to have more lockdowns? He was worried about his business surviving another lockdown.
  
  And then suddenly we get news of community transmission in Auckland? And suddenly Auckland is in lockdown.
  
  So you did wonder at the time, did the government know something and they weren’t telling us? Obviously they did know something.
  But they didn’t tell us.
  
  Oh for some actual reporters that were prepared to actually question the Prime Minister in a vigourous manner to try and find out the truth? Does any news outlet in New Zealand possess any such reporters?
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    This strange article in Stuff today about the family at the centre of the latest cluster also reports that the first case dates from July 31st.
    
    It is later revealed that while not the first person to test positive, the earliest case is found to be a worker who became sick on about July 31.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/122618951/coronavirus-the-week-that-changed-everything-again
    
    (I’ve read the article through 2wice and it is damn difficult figuring out who case zero is…. no longer the man who worked at the coolstore… or the daughter who went on holiday to Rotorua whilst feeling sick…but another worker at the coolstore?)
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:26am
    - alloytoo
      
      The focus was kept on the Coldstore solely as diversion.
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:46am
    - alex Masterley
      
      I am trying to track down the daily covid score cards from the 31st. If the person became ill on or about that date and the government /MOH were aware of it then surly it would have been announced with a serious face// head tilt. Unless they didnt want to panic the masses.
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:51am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        alex
        I have taken screenshots for most days, taken at night, with some gaps, including 31st July. However, I have 30th July and 1st August figures below:
        
        30th
        Total: 1560 ( 1)
        Recovered: 1514 ( 0)
        Active cases: 24 ( 1)
        
        1st
        Total: 1562 ( 2)
        Recovered: 1518 ( 0)
        Active cases: 22 ( 2)
        
        We can then infer these figures for 31st July:
        
        Total: 1560 ( 0)
        Recovered: 1518 ( 4)
        Active cases: 20 (-4)
        
        Interestingly, looks like a case added on 30th July, none on 31st though. If the case you mention was added the next day following result (1st August) that still means that one was added the day before his/her result (i.e. on 30th). I guess in isolation through?
        
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        September 2, 2020 7:44pm
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    No.
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:56am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I was suspicious from the change in advertising about a month or so before the second lockdown.
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:49am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Scott you’re too polite ” you did wonder at the time, did the government know something and they weren’t telling us?“
    
    It was fucking obvious, and they are lying creeps to deny it. Transparency my arse!!
    
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    September 2, 2020 12:45pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  I read some jiberish on stuffed this morning to help cindy spin it her way.
  apparently its the 1st KNOWN transmission date to start the cluster, so in other words spread from patient 1-2 they still dont know who patient zero is and started down the frozen chicken wing path again.
  
  I have no doubt the govt know where this started and are too scared of the backlash, its obvious its walked through our border on 2 feet.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:04am
  - hullkiwi
    
    WP, there problem is they built a story around the lie of 102 days and the celebratory jig. Admit they have been lying about having there not being community transmission the whole facade will crumble.
    
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    September 2, 2020 12:58pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I’m not in any way defending Ardern, but your assessment isn’t quite right. In referring to the community transmission outbreak, she said that they didn’t know at the time was how long ago the transmission started. “What we now know is that it was the 31st of July, which tells us how many chains of transmission there might have been sitting around it.”
  
  She wasn’t admitting to knowing it any earlier, which if course doesn’t mean she didn’t.
  
  https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2020/08/where-is-the-accountability–ryan-asks-pm-jacinda-ardern-this-mo.html from about 8:30 in.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:18am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Lodd: “What we now know is that it was the 31st of July, which tells us how many chains of transmission there might have been sitting around it.” Seems to me she is admitting to that date, which she and St Ash have been telling us the community transmission started days into August (off the top of my head 7th Aug???). Now she is admitting 31 July (when the adverts mysteriously started again) which made our household very suspicious!!
    
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    September 2, 2020 9:24am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      No, i think Lodden might be right. Tracking back from the state of infection might take you to 31 July as the likely date of infection, without needing a conspiracy.
      
      If however the Wuflu was *diagnosed* on 31 July, then Cindy is caught bang to rights, and the advertising campaign starting then was not an innocent coincidence.
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:41am
    - lifesgood
      
      Made everyone suspicious…well most people, not the Jacindamaniacs who despite every bloody lie she has told still worship the ground she walks on. I saw Judith Collins questioning her in parliament yesterday. My, oh, my Judith is clever. Her delivery was calm, patient, to the point and in response Jacinda became distressed throwing her head around, waving her arms around, flumping into her seat. She looked as if she was on the verge of a breakdown. She is simply not up to the job.
      
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      September 2, 2020 10:11am
    - DeepBlue
      
      They are saying the 3rd or 4th (I’m not sure which) person to test positive declared he first started to get symptoms on 31st July, but didn’t get tested until after the two work sites were identified.
      
      My question is… if he was symptomatic on 31 July why haven’t they allowed for the normal 2 week incubation period before that? This takes us back to a potential incursion mid July.
      
      Can anyone remember when the COVID messaging on TV started? I remember it was a weekend that I noticed the adverts?
      
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      September 2, 2020 10:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It takes time to prepare the adverts and organise their TV presentation.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:50am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  50yr old guy from family of 4 first found in this cluster was off sick from work from 31st July onwards, he may not have been the first tested and found to have covid, but he seems to have been the first infected (other than whoever he caught it from)
  
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  September 2, 2020 5:57pm
RW Capitalist

Discussion points from AM Show
On the “ticker tape” across the bottom of screen.
The greens applauded for apology about school funding.
Who applauded?
When?
Who applauds hypocrisy?
School library funding is being eaten into.
They discuss community libraries and hardly mention schools.
Don’t remember this being a thing under National.
But I thought they had increased funding to schools, or was that (after a strike) just teacher wages to appease the union?
More nurses going on strike, during a pandemic, but I thought this was a civil emergency?
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September 2, 2020 8:44am
- igm
  
  This shows the irresponsibility of left-wing leeches.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:22am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Many, many people on twitter? Or both of them? who also happen to be Green staffers?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
  This it seems is now “news” is made these days.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:43am
- Inandout
  
  RW, the nurses perhaps sense the Labour generosity with taxpayer funds may end in September and want to strike while the iron is hot.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:13am
  - Sacha
    
    @ Inandout: They may be too late. I thought that Robertson had a distinct look of panic when he admitted that every cent they are paying out is borrowed.
    Maybe he has just realised what he has done to the economy, and now knows that if the polls are right, he will actually have to try and right it during his next term.
    
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    September 2, 2020 12:06pm
fernglas

UK covid-19 cases 31 August 1,406.
Deaths? 2
This thing has done its dash in Europe, but we haven’t even seen the start of it, thanks to this impossible goal of elimination.
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September 2, 2020 8:46am
- burt
  
  Exactly, but look on the bright side comrade. By the time it runs riot through our communidies we’ll all be broke and unemployed and the shift to full state control will be glorious.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:13am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  The was not only impossible. It was impossibly vainglorious.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:13am
- SB2
  
  fernglas, source please?
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51768274
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:16am
  - fernglas
    
    Wikipedia. Try Google “UK Covid deaths today”.
    
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    September 2, 2020 1:45pm
- hullkiwi
  
  fernglas, not so about Covid speaking in Europe. 24 hours ago, news reports were that Spain is now experiencing more daily cases than since the first wave in April.
  
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  September 2, 2020 1:12pm
  - fernglas
    
    More cases, many less deaths. Many of the recently found cases are asymptomatic and/or in young people. The number of cases is not as important as the number of hospitalisations and deaths. In Spain on 28 August there was 9779 cases and 15 deaths. Do the maths.
    
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    September 2, 2020 1:49pm
I remember when

And the Winter Energy Payment being due to end adds to the financial woes of many.
When are the increases in rent going to stabilise?
How many families are under insured?
What is the jobless total going to be?
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September 2, 2020 8:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s right for the winter energy payment to finish for its season–shortly the heaters will be off. It has been a blessing and we have made full use of it. I have kept the heaters and the warm led lights on fully throughout winter. The outcome is that I have missed the otherwise regular seasonal go-to-sleep- time. It has massively increased my productivity and kept my mood up.
  I believe that this should be endorsed by future govts as we can’t avoid winters and their demands. The costs to the govt would most likely be fully met through savings in the health budget and productivity. The benefit of being in a working mood cannot be quantified. There is a massive cost increase for winter power that has to be faced. Many of us have had to meet it by minimal means and get just through. If such a payment can keep national productivity up and avoid other illness we may be onto a real winner.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:40am
- rangitoto
  
  I read a lot of people have taken mortgage payment holidays. Could end up as a lot of foreclosures.
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:43am
Catgurl13

They deliberately got the minister of pies to stand on the podium spouting the daily lies so they sound credible. I can’t help seeing the Muppets and miss piggy when I see her lol……snort snort…oink!!
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September 2, 2020 8:49am
Maggie Pie

I wonder if they’ll publish a ‘Biden-to-English’ dictionary before the debates?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgzQ24LVgAAKd4x?format=jpg&name=small

😀
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September 2, 2020 8:49am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Knowing how retarded Dems are theyll probably embark on teaching 320mil ppl on how to talk biden!
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:06am
- Gravelroad
  
  I saw that poor man trying to get the words out, Maggie P.
  Why do the Democrats think he is fit and able to be the President of the US?
  It just doesn’t make sense. Even a puppet President whose only function is to read out someone else’s script has to be able to actually do it.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:08am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Maggie, the clip in question:
  
  https://twitter.com/ThomasCatenacci/status/1300494641180139521
  
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  September 2, 2020 12:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And the comments – PRICELESS! 😀
    
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    September 2, 2020 1:40pm
- Ed Snack
  
  I feel sorry for the sign interpreter, he gave up in the end !
  
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  September 2, 2020 2:44pm
cas

Knowing a little bit about ministrokes now, it is unlikely that Trump would know what one was unless he had some first hand knowledge. Most people don’t know about them, just about strokes.
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September 2, 2020 8:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Happens without warning. I fell down a sewer trap inspection hatch on my deck. Did not pass out. Lots of cuts and bruises. Two people to drag me out
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:30am
- Inandout
  
  cas, a simplistic answer I know, but a healthy lifestyle goes a long way to prevent a recurrence. And heaps of people know about mini strokes, some younger people being unaware they had one until it is picked up in some blood test or such.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:20am
Tony Stuart

It’s 9am, and James Shaw is still the male co-leader of the Green Party
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September 2, 2020 9:01am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  if a change happens before 1pm we know the covid case numbers will be bad today.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:08am
- Bobba Fret
  
  If he had any ounce of decency, he would be calling a press conference and resigning shortly.
  Mind you, Shaw backed Meteria re: benefit fraud being ok, so I guess blackmailing other ministers to get your way is small fry!
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:35am
I remember when

If James Shaw does finish up having to leave the Green Party, what will that do to their direction?
Would his departure improve their election chances by letting some of their ‘grassroots’ return to the fray?
If they were then successful in returning to parliament would it mean more ‘radical’ policies?
Is the New World just an Election away?
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September 2, 2020 9:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Given that James Shaw is the last of the moderate, “grassroots” Greens, his departure as leader would more likely send those “grassroots” Green Party members scurrying for a new home. His possible replacements as male co-leader are both avowed left-wingers, and in the case of Ricardo Menendez-March, probably the most extreme leftie on the Green Party list.
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:35am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Shaw is the most dangerous Green. He provides the thin green skin on the watermelon that deceives Remuera tractor drivers into voting communist.
    
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    September 2, 2020 12:10pm
Lance

Stewart Nash on Hosking this morning…… quote

“New Zealanders are flocking back home because of Jacinda”

O….M…..G…..
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September 2, 2020 9:05am
- crikey
  
  But what are they flocking back to? What jobs?
  
  How many of the 40,000+ will now end up on welfare?
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:55am
  - burt
    
    Hopefully all of them comrade, the shift to guaranteed to fail socialism will be easier with another 40,000 voting for more welfare.
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:37am
    - fernglas
      
      Has anyone told us how many Kiwis were “flocking home” this time last year?
      
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      September 2, 2020 1:51pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  translation= the special overseas votes wont go in their favour this time.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:05am
BAM

Unpopular opinion, but National election strategy is completely wrong and out of date.

Everything National puts out is at the country/regional level, roads, hospitals, more schools, etc.
These things are good and sensible, but they are not vote winners.

Times have changed, it’s very much the me generation now, people are mainly interested in what is in it for themselves, I look at what National has so far put out and there is nothing that ticks that box.

Unless they have policies that target people personally and immediately then there is no reason why people will vote for National over Labour.
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September 2, 2020 9:17am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  So did the Africans. Look how that ended!
  
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  September 2, 2020 9:52am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  yup the nats havent worked out the winning strategy…
  Make it harder for ppl to want to vote for your opponent then it is to vote for you.
  
  they need to move with the times, what worked their last 9yrs in power is no longer attractive to voters. the sheeple demand empty slogans, huge wastage and not much achievement and unfortunatly for national its just not in their blood to fail that miserably.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:09am
  - Sacha
    
    A week is a long time in politics, so they say.
    6 weeks to the election.
    Plenty of time to zoom in and cater to the self-interested voters.
    I’d like to think that some of the old savvy is still circulating.
    
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    September 2, 2020 12:13pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Govt is not a lolly scramble. The COL have already wasted billions so the future is locked down anyway.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:22am
- Flossie
  
  But wait – there’s more!
  National would be out of their minds to float too many ideas this far out (for the other side to steal and claim they thought of it first.)
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:30am
- Ruahine
  
  Many people I speak to are fearful of National. When I ask why they say that National will want to pay the money back and balance the books thereby cutting back on things like the heating allowance and not making the ‘rich’ pay more tax.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:59am
  - Prince
    
    The reverence with which the heating allowance is treated by the old and infirm is really quite funny.
    In 2017 National’s policy to move the tax brackets would have resulted in an extra $1,000 to all Superannuitants, along with workers etc.
    Labour cancelled that, and introduced approx $600 payout for Superannuitants only, labelling it a ‘Heating Allowance’.
    The mathematically challenged are forever thankful.
    
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    September 2, 2020 11:37am
    - Sacha
      
      Due to a variety of causes I now rely on the super as my main source of income, and I can tell you that I’m not doing well financially speaking.
      I compared an average weekly grocery receipt from last year with last week’s, and it is $15 more on basic items for this month.
      And that’s just groceries.
      Maybe that’s why the Heating Allowance is so appreciated?
      
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      September 2, 2020 12:19pm
  - Bob
    
    Your experience with people Ruahine highlights one of the major problems with the NZ voters; a total lack of ‘economic literacy’. You will probably have noticed also that this applies to about 60% of the nation.
    
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    September 2, 2020 11:57am
  - BAM
    
    That’s pretty much it.
    Labours the cool parent that wants to be your mate and gives you money so you can have fun.
    
    Nationals the serious parent who makes you do your homework,go to bed early, be responsible and all that other stuff.
    
    Not hard to work out who would be more popular.
    
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    September 2, 2020 12:42pm
Akitio

I thought there was a minimum standard of dress in Parliament. Check yesterday’s QT 7 and 8 from Nicola Willis, Mallard looked like a shambolic drunk coming off a bender. Guess it shows just how much they care.
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September 2, 2020 9:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yes he did have a problem keeping his shirt collar inside his suit.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:39am
  - sooty
    
    Getting a bit hot under the collar!
    
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    September 2, 2020 12:45pm
Stu2

There is an Aug 25 story in today’s Nature Briefing on covid data collection in the US

A couple of points :

Benjamin notes that many health departments still share data by fax, which is more time-consuming than digital methods.

In a report published last September, public-health epidemiologists described the current system as siloed, sluggish, manual and paper-based.

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Underfunding public health and its systems seems endemic, as you hope you won’t need much of it

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02478-z?utm_source=Nature+Briefing&utm_campaign=2dc8b44334-briefing-dy-20200901&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c9dfd39373-2dc8b44334-45276622
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September 2, 2020 9:20am
JibberJabber

The Red pill truth bombs coming thick and fast now…

https://twitter.com/robsmithonline/status/1300522965625450505
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September 2, 2020 9:35am
- JibberJabber
  
  https://twitter.com/kyleolson4/status/1300616743350685701
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:29am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Brilliant, JJ. He is a wonderful young man.
  
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  September 2, 2020 1:13pm
I remember when

NZ’s most covid tested man?
English football coach, Jonathan Gould, is back in Napier.
He has been tested 19 times in the last few months.
The Goalkeeping coach was at Preston North End from Aug 2019 to July 2020.
He has had extensive experience in the NZ coaching scene as a Player, Player/Coach and various Coaching jobs.
He has had spells with Napier City Rovers, Hawkes Bay United, and the Phoenix.
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September 2, 2020 9:37am
Tony Stuart

For those interested in following the Health Select Committee’s quizzing of the Health Minister and Director-General of Health this morning, here’s the link to the livestream:

https://www.facebook.com/hescnz/
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September 2, 2020 9:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Only 6% of deaths are from Covid. We are being played even in NZ. Must be an Election soon.

https://www.thethinkingconservative.com/cdc-admits-only-6-of-all-161392-deaths-recorded-died-solely-from-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR36-Ne85WjxIn9KsDgR63aJLS4q_yhWPo01jW-NEmi_Q7JiZvJpCTEQjP0
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September 2, 2020 9:56am
Maggie Pie

We watched Andrew Bolt on Sky last night.
Things are really heating up with the war of words between China and Australia. He showed a major Chinese newspaper referring to Australians as “…..poor white trash” 🙁

Although like my partner said, “At least we don’t eat our food with wooden f- -king sticks”
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September 2, 2020 10:10am
- sooty
  
  I do like your daily ditty!
  It must be a laugh a minute in your house!
  You two are certainly better comedian’s than Reece Darby and Golly Gees husband.
  
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  September 2, 2020 12:43pm
Nookin

I see that the Supreme Court will continue to hear Peter Ellis’s appeal. Good news.
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September 2, 2020 10:13am
- cmm
  
  Good.
  Apart from just clearing his name, half the point of these exercises is so that the whole judicial system can learn and improve.
  From what has been discussed about this case, there was a massive miscarriage of justice and cherry-picking of evidence to support a conviction. The judicial system needs to figure out what needs to improve to reduce the chance of this happening again.
  
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  September 2, 2020 10:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The man is dead! This looks to me like the legal profession trying to maximise their cashflow at our expense.
    
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    September 2, 2020 10:40am
    - cmm
      
      Yes he is dead and it is a gross failing of our judicial system that this was not addressed while he was alive.
      
      But his death does not fix the problems in our judicial system that lead to his conviction. A case of this nature should (let’s hope) result in some introspection by the judicial system.
      
      Cherrypicking statements from children to include the offending he was convicted of, but exclude the fantasy that he had a black penis or a pet giraffe is highly problematic.
      
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      September 2, 2020 11:04am
    - Tall Man
      
      He has a family that deserve to view his name and memory with pride rather than shame.
      
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      September 2, 2020 4:08pm
- Cantabrian
  
  Bravo.
  
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  September 2, 2020 4:16pm
I remember when

I was interested yesterday when in my meandering I finished on a WHO site.
It had their logo and seemed to be their information.
The point was, it gave figures for Covid cases and deaths that were obviously totals from the worldometers site.
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September 2, 2020 10:18am
Local Miller

And it’s now clear that the lockdown doesn’t work. After 18 days at level 3 in Auckland, we see 9 and 14 new cases on the two days after lockdown. Given the incubation period these must have been caught during lockdown.
When are the PTPM and St Ash going to acknowledge that elimination isn’t working and the only solution is to follow Sweden and do everything possible to boost the economy.
I would almost vote dark blue if Judith stood up and acknowledged this, and backed it with data.
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September 2, 2020 10:30am
alloytoo

Covid Rant!

My son’s primary school restricts access to the grounds until 15 minutes before school starts.

This is apparently a Covid requirement.

The result is 2-30 kids milling at the gate for 15 minutes, clearly not observing social distancing.

“It’s the rules” is the response I got to my polite enquiry into the matter.

FSM preserve me.
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September 2, 2020 10:38am
- lifesgood
  
  Equally stupid is that parents have to wait at the gate to collect them. So where once parents spread out miles apart across the playground now they are bunched together in a dense mob at the gate. What idiots make these rules?
  
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  September 2, 2020 3:34pm
oldfella

If you love the satire of the Babylon Bee, you’ll probably love their new offering as well.
https://notthebee.com/article/welcome-to-not-the-bee
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September 2, 2020 11:12am
Littletramp

Headline says “Hamilton Sevens cancelled due to Covid `19.”

The glaring question to be asked is, When will NZ ever be able to host any international or world event, sporting or otherwise, and what circumstances will change this predicament we have put ourselves in?

The answer must include some level of health risk we will be prepared to accept. If that is the case, we will then be exactly where we were as a country in late February/early March before the lockdown, except burdened by huge debt and having crippled our tourism industry.
I just can’t see the sense, the logic or the pathway forward with our approach.
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September 2, 2020 11:13am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  There is no pathway forward Littletramp. The country is screwed. There are no adults who will step in. Just a kindy teacher.
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No-one can see a path forward for NZ and that’s a major problem that our CoL is trying to sweep under a rug.
  
  But it is the endemic Covid scenario that is especially worrying. What sort of policy responses should we be thinking about if no vaccine proves effective, and other countries do not follow New Zealand in pursuing elimination?
  …
  
  There is disappointingly little evidence so far of planning for any of those potential longer term scenarios.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/from-the-tyranny-of-distance-to-the-tyranny-of-covid
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:52am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Labour don’t do long term. This present lot can’t think beyond next week. Don’t expect planning their brains are not wired for ti.
    
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    September 2, 2020 6:48pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  “The Road Not Taken” by Robert Frost
  
  Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
  And sorry I could not travel both
  And be one traveler, long I stood
  And looked down one as far as I could
  To where it bent in the undergrowth;
  
  Then took the other, as just as fair,
  And having perhaps the better claim,
  Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
  Though as for that the passing there
  Had worn them really about the same,
  
  And both that morning equally lay
  In leaves no step had trodden black.
  Oh, I kept the first for another day!
  Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
  I doubted if I should ever come back.
  
  I shall be telling this with a sigh
  Somewhere ages and ages hence:
  Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
  I took the one less traveled by,
  And that has made all the difference.
  
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  September 2, 2020 12:05pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    or
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4fHre-yRPY
    if like our SLG, you have no idea of where you want to get to, it doesn’t matter which road you take.
    
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    September 2, 2020 1:41pm
gravedodger

Dont fret Captain, they dug up Ollies corpse after restoring Charles II, to hang draw and Quarter him.
Cant have been the best job going though, amazeballs what unemployment and no welfare can do eh.
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September 2, 2020 11:13am
cmm

So Hipkins is saying Auckland can soon move to L1.

Please draw me a picture explaining why the rest of the country has been on L2?
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September 2, 2020 11:17am
- krazykiwi
  
  Your picture would be an electoral boundary map.
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:23am
- Prince
  
  I’ll try.
  Imagine a big circle, titled ‘NZ Voters’.
  Now imagine 30% of that circle is segmented off, and called ‘Auckland Voters’.
  Imagine how that 30% would feel if their freedoms were curtailed by a very, very large extent compared to the rest of the circle.
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:27am
- Tony
  
  If that is the case, then what was so dramatically different to the current situation that justified moving to level 3?
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:48am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Nothing whatsoever, just politics, in this, “the Covid election.”
    
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    September 2, 2020 12:02pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  As they say, there’s no ‘Level 1’ in ‘The Team of 5 Million’ bro.
  
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  September 2, 2020 12:01pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  “No one will really understand politics until they understand that politicians are not trying to solve our problems. They are trying to solve their own problems — of which getting elected and re-elected are Number 1 and Number 2. Whatever is Number 3 is far behind,” – Thomas Sowell
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIQUSb4r1UQ
  ☝️
  
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  September 2, 2020 12:38pm
Yvette

Green “school”
1 – If those who now treat the funding as a done deal require a technicality to halt it, surely the fact that the “school” does not have registration to be a school, should suffice.

“It’s not just that he advocated for a particular Green School that doesn’t even have education registration to be a school, but that he’s actually held up all these projects on the basis that he was holding the rest of the government basically to ransom,” [Judith] Collins said.
Other sources mentioned this point as well.

2 – Shaw apologises for a “mistake”, sounding like a minor accident.
Holding “colleagues” to political ransom, or “blackmail” is intentional and is mis-represented to be called a mistake.

3 – A mistake is when you actually make an error – like believing an application to be for a grant when portions were loans, although if the word” essentially” was used it may be contradictory.
Surely a loan is a loan, or not a loan.
Taranaki Green School chief executive Chris Edwards said the money was never meant to be a grant. “There was a small portion that was going to be a grant and the other elements were essentially loans,” Edwards said.

4 – collective responsibility. If Shaw held “colleagues” to ransom, and the funding is at present “passed”, does it not mean all concerned were aware it should not be passed but was under Shaw’s coersion, to which the others acceded? Are they not therefore all to blame and all should act to correct the mis-funding of a “school” that does not have registration to be a school
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September 2, 2020 11:22am
- sooty
  
  Why would it get any money if it wasn’t a school?
  
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  September 2, 2020 12:36pm
JibberJabber

Labour the Party of kindness, empathy and inclusiveness,

https://twitter.com/NZNationalMemes/status/1300914683189145600/photo/1

Shame about their voters.
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September 2, 2020 11:28am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  They’re horrible people. What else can you say?
  
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  September 2, 2020 11:59am
- Gravelroad
  
  I was particularly taken with the “he should hang himself” one.
  Very bold – very bold indeed.
  I hope Ms Ardern and her Health Minister are proud to have such supporters.
  Mental health awareness? Suicide prevention?
  No, not today, thanks.
  We’ve got a Covid election to win.
  
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  September 2, 2020 12:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Q. 9 in the House today might shed light on who knew what:

NICOLA WILLIS to the Associate Minister of Finance: Was the Green School included in the indicative package of over 150 projects agreed to in principle by Ministers at the Cabinet Economic Development Committee meeting on 24 June, and what occurred between that meeting and 7 August that led his office to write to other Ministers and the Treasury stating, “Minister Shaw won’t sign this briefing until the Green School in Taranaki is incorporated”?
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September 2, 2020 11:57am
- Bobba Fret
  
  That will be good viewing. Hopefully I haven’t missed it on Parliament TV. Shaw will be looking forward to that.
  
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  September 2, 2020 3:02pm
Swifty

I’d happily have a beer with this guy:

https://twitter.com/realmagahulk

For the record US politics don’t interest me much but I can’t stand the crap coming out of the US left these days – senseless rioting and destruction, BLM, The Green New Deal, identity politics, defunding your law enforcement function, CHAZ, the cancel movement, their crazy spending pledges with OPM etc etc etc.

They’re children who have never grown up.

All power to MAGA Hulk!
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September 2, 2020 12:00pm
RW Capitalist

Watching the “briefing”
Banner at foot of screen.
“50% using tracking app”
1. My wife never leaves the house.
2. I have NEVER used it.
3. My observation, on my travels (extensive), less than 1 in 10 using it.
Q:
Statement: ALL businesses MUST display the tracking App. poster.
I work from home, according to my tax returns I use 12% of my home as business.
Does that mean, I have to show 12% of the poster?
Which 12%?
The title
Part of the bar code?
Top?
Bottom?
Left side?
right side?
Portion from the middle?
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September 2, 2020 1:35pm
- alloytoo
  
  I think they took the number of uses and divided by 5 Million.
  
  50%
  
  Including the shop keeper testing it a few times.
  
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  September 2, 2020 2:01pm
- Tall Man
  
  The back side will do ……
  
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  September 2, 2020 2:10pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Although I never stock piled toilet paper, if there is ever a shortage, I will take up your suggestion.
    
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    September 2, 2020 7:03pm
- Cantabrian
  
  I’m sorry, but I really don’t see much use in the COVID app. A lot of people don’t seem to realise that it is only a personal diary entry that allows you to see where you have been. It does not send data to anyone until you explicitly choose to share it. So, for threat data to be useful you must first either recognise that you were in xyz location at hhmm time – in which case you can confirm that; or, you must first be contacted by a COVID Tracker (phone call?) and asked if you were in location xyz at hhmm time.
  Its usefulness can be well-summed up by the individual who messaged Peter Williams this morning saying that a neighbour was asking what she was meant to do with all the photos of the funny signs she had been taking!
  
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  September 2, 2020 4:15pm
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    It obviously sends some sort of data… the paper barcode things cant report back to the govt how many scans per day.
    
    also dosent covid app alert you if you visited a shop at same time as a covid case?
    
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    September 2, 2020 5:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Megan says the virus didn’t come in via managed isolation& quarantine

Ashley says it didn’t come in on frozen goods.

Jacinda told us we had eliminated the virus.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/advice-to-megan-woods-unlikely-covid-19-outbreak-came-from-managed-isolation-facilities.html

So how the dickens did it get back here?
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September 2, 2020 1:41pm
- alloytoo
  
  So who’s lying……..
  
  I believe it didn’t come via Frozen goods since the company has confirmed that nothing was shipped between the two warehouses during the period in question.
  
  I don’t believe information supplied by this government.
  
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  September 2, 2020 1:48pm
- The Boss
  
  Ask Winston. He knows.
  
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  September 2, 2020 2:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    He knew ….. That was days ago. Now it’s “knew what?”
    
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    September 2, 2020 2:22pm
  - rockape
    
    That was days age, he will have forgotten by now.
    
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    September 2, 2020 4:48pm
- mandk
  
  When the current outbreak appeared, the PM assured us that it wasn’t from an ember left over from the earlier outbreak.
  
  So, if it wasn’t through the border and it wasn’t from an ember, there is only one possibility.
  
  It was from all the fairy dust and bullshit the government has been spreading.
  
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  September 2, 2020 2:21pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Megan sort of answered the question then, it didnt come through MIQ so to KNOW that then she has to know where it came from with certainty.
  
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  September 2, 2020 3:11pm
- RJ
  
  Well there is only one option left, the government introduced the virus after eliminating it to use in the election. The prime minister said this is a COVID election. So if it didn’t come in naturally they must mean they introduced it. ?
  
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  September 2, 2020 3:15pm
  - Ruahine
    
    Yes. It was deliberately let in again for political reasons. First in March-April. Second from July 31st.
    Ardern forgot herself and said so on the AM show.
    
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    September 2, 2020 5:39pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  It is a magical product, formed by the conjunction of political rhetoric.
  Shall henceforth be know as “political bull shit”
  
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  September 2, 2020 4:29pm
Maggie Pie

If you’re white and not ashamed, does that make you a racist?

Asking for a friend.
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September 2, 2020 1:50pm
- alloytoo
  
  Yes, unless you’re Irish.
  
  https://s.yimg.com/cd/diminuendo/1.0/original/c1bdf820241011ddff3a4b91424203bf84864baa.gif
  
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  September 2, 2020 1:54pm
- graham
  
  Doesn’t matter if you’re ashamed or not. Apparently, if you’re white, you’re racist.
  
  And if you have the temerity to question that, it just goes to prove it in the sight of those who accuse you.
  
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  September 2, 2020 2:27pm
- RJ
  
  Is your friend an albino, otherwise they’re not white
  
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  September 2, 2020 3:10pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  You don’t need the “and not ashamed” part.
  There has been a steady stream of extremely racist non-white people writing articles on Stuff about how white people are inherently racist.
  The Bangladeshi woman who said we destroyed her country so it’s only fair that they get to come here (as if all white people/cultures are the same).
  Then there was the Pacifica woman who said she knew for a fact that the guy who made the Conspiracy theory about the new cluster was racist because he’s white.
  
  And this obvious racism is being thrown at us by the main stream media!
  
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  September 2, 2020 4:19pm
tom hunter

Has DPF published any of the Biden videos?

Because no matter how bad the TDS is, something as awful as Biden’s dementia can’t be consigned to the Ignore It Bin for much longer by a blog that does cover the USA occasionally.
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September 2, 2020 2:16pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  Hopefully DPF is finally beginning to see the light. But if not I’m sure he will soon with the more and more truth coming out ??
  https://image-cdn.parler.com/u/D/uDmUtT3E9s.jpeg
  
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  September 2, 2020 2:30pm
- fernglas
  
  The debates should be interesting. There’s nowhere to hide and nothing to edit.
  
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  September 2, 2020 2:48pm
- Scott
  
  Tom Hunter – good point. I commented on this at 9.01am and linked to a video of Joe Biden and another word salad. He’s just not up to it. Maybe sometime during his nearly 50 years in office he might have made a decent president? But those days are long gone I’m afraid.
  
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  September 2, 2020 4:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It still amazes me that anyone who thinks Biden has dementia can also believe that Trump is mentally fine.
  “Person, man, woman, camera, TV”
  Also, tom hunter has yet to tell me what turned him from a Ted Cruz/Chris Christie supporter to a fully-fledged Trumpista. I’m genuinely interested to know.
  
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  September 2, 2020 6:40pm
Garbageman

I rarely venture onto Twitter but this is gold
https://twitter.com/realmagahulk/status/1292511501379543040/video/1
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September 2, 2020 3:04pm
alloytoo

Nearby Oregon sheriffs refuse governor’s call to police Portland protests

As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/us/nearby-oregon-sheriffs-refuse-governor-s-call-to-police-portland-protests/ar-BB18BMui?ocid=msedgntp
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September 2, 2020 3:19pm
david

Just watched Jackson MP (slick Willy) having a rant in General Business. Observations
1. I don’t know what he is on but it must be powerful stuff. Almost incoherent, a load of drivel such as I have not heard in some considerable time. I think his brain is either scrambled or fried – could be both.
2. Willie has obviously had is ingestive anatomy buried deeply in the trough for the past three years. He has piled on the beef to an amazing extent – must be a health risk. Will have to be renamed “Round Willie” As an aside what sort of ethnic name is Willie or William Jackson?
3. Repeated the absolute lie about sewage running down the walls at Middlemore. A desperate claim from someone who has run out of legitimate debating points. He must be in trouble in his electorate.
The man is a disgrace to his adopted race and to the country. He is also an absolute arse. Perhaps that is where the brown comes from.

It left me shak8ng my head in dismay and wondering who in their right mind would vote for that little shitstain.
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September 2, 2020 3:33pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  The comical Ali of NZ politics.
  
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  September 2, 2020 7:00pm
david

Has anyone else noticed the increasing. Use of the term “we”.
“We” are world leaders in genome sequencing.
“We” will track and trace …..
“We” are keeping the border secure
“We” will keep you informed via the MoH website and daily briefings
“We” conducted xxxxx Covid tests yesterday

And then “we” On this side of the House will ……..

Conflating the actions of Government, the Public Service including Technical performance with the decisions and performance of the political party is to my mind, cheap and tawdry but typical of this bunch of muppets.

Also Grant Robertson using the term “one in one hundred year event” with accelerating frequency. It is a nonsense and is misleading to expect the audience to believe that he is such an exceptional Min of Fin that his performance will not be matched for 100 years.
In fact there may well be an equivalent economic shock to NZ next year but if it is caused by a giant Tsunami or Volcanic eruption, some may well classify it also as a 1 in 100 year event. In statistical terms, multiple 1 in 100 year events may occur in any 100 year period so the term 1 in 100 would really only be relevant if you were talking about periods of thousands of years in which case it would be an average over the whole time.
The Canterbury Earthquakes were probably 1 in 100 year events but few would go on record as saying that Christchurch is now safe at least till the year 2110.
Cyclone Bola likewise.
So what I am saying is that Robertson is downplaying the economic vulnerability of New Zealand to a criminal extent, by writing off the effects of this particularl pandemic as 1 in 100 years. Like it or not, we are more likely than not to suffer from a 1 in 100 year event ( be it fire, flood, storm, pestilence, earthquake, volcano, Tsunami, pandemic, war or asteroid strike) within the next 20 years.
Economic recovery has to be the Government’s highest priority and almost single minded focus starting NOW if we are to get to a position to see it through successfully.
The current Government say “we have a plan and we are following it”. We the people haven’t got the faintest clue what the plan is nor what parts we need to play in it.
So where is the plan and why have we not seen it?

Does it exist at all?
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September 2, 2020 4:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  According to Siouxie…we’ve had 4 pandemics in the last 20 years…
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300093701/coronavirus-we-lost-this-round-of-pandemic-dice
  
  Nobody seems to remember much about the H1N1 (swine flu) pandemic when it hit NZ 11 years ago….
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_New_Zealand
  
  Covid-19 isn’t a 1- in-100 year event…
  
  Viral pandemics are regular and expected events.
  A decent Government should have been prepared.
  
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  September 2, 2020 5:06pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What do you think this government had done since 2017 to reduce preparedness?
    
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    September 2, 2020 6:36pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Failed to carry out the recommendations of the 2017
      Pandemic Plan..
      
      Aspects of this plan are directive, requiring entities and organisations across government,
      within the health and disability sector and in the community to enter into arrangements and
      partnerships, develop plans, manage risks, and build capabilities to strengthen the resilience of
      New Zealand.
      
      https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/influenza-pandemic-plan-framework-action-2nd-edn-aug17.pdf
      
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      September 2, 2020 8:24pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You are not being very specific there.
        
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        September 2, 2020 9:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Trump Floatillas/Boatillas/Trumptillas are becoming more and more, and bigger. Expect this to increase as the silent majority wakes up. Best thing is the Antifa/BLM jerks don’t have many boats, so they can not disrupt the on water parades. Stop them at the boatramp? Watch the AR15s come out of the bilges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ9TqPhrqnM&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0umRzdtAIe-MqGDWmRT4BV_xVQNr5YDXU2sCcXW2CkD1TBGQpoR41HEDs
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September 2, 2020 4:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Aug 17, this record has been broken I think.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq4baBWQLVg
  
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  September 2, 2020 4:26pm
RJ

A week ago Jo Luxton went to the local paper claiming her signs were being damaged. A blatant lie as we see all her signs when driving around town, none have been damaged. But her lie got her the desired result because within a few days just about every national sign in town has been damaged.
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September 2, 2020 4:28pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s quite amazing you have been able to visit every billboard site in such a large electorate.
  
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  September 2, 2020 6:32pm
  - RJ
    
    I realise you are a troll so I will take this as easy as I can for you to comprehend
    
    Jo claimed that signs had been damaged in our town. Going around our town where her signs are, none had been damaged. try not to add you own rubbish to what I said to try to excuse labour pricks damaging signs.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:18pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So, you are claiming she took her own signs and chucked them in the river…
      And that the people commenting on her Facebook page are lying too?
      
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      September 2, 2020 9:30pm
      - RJ
        
        I will tell you what I am claiming, is you don’t have the ability to read without writing in your own bullshit. What I said is she is lying, I travel around our town every day, I know where all the signs are and none of hers were damaged, anyone that claimed otherwise is a liar. And I will add to that talking to someone I know who is strongly labour, have a sign on their fence, and have arranged for others to have them in our town, even she admitted that there has been no damaged signs in our town.
        
        I realise you cannot not read and will try to claim I’ve said something else, but you are just the typical lying labour troll
        
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        September 3, 2020 7:59am
      - RJ
        
        Oh and to answer about people chucking them in the river, just goes to show you have assumed what town I live in and failed, I’m not in ashburton your idiot
        
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        September 3, 2020 8:05am
- RW Capitalist
  
  had to look her up
  another Labour MP in the witless protection program?
  
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  September 2, 2020 6:34pm
  - RJ
    
    Pretty much, and the joke is when she had her office painted a few weeks agos she had it put up, list mp, so she knows she has no chance of winning here. Funny thing is she won’t ever win here because when she wasn’t an mp and was fund raising for her preschool businesses she asked farmers for meat to raffle off. Then when they were after payment for that meat she told them they had donated it. She will never get elected here.
    
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    September 2, 2020 8:20pm
RW Capitalist

just did the vote compass thing
https://votecompass.tvnz.co.nz/survey
Turns out
I’m to the right of ACT (possibly Gengis Khan as well)
and more conservative than all except new conservative.
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September 2, 2020 6:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Greens and NZ First at each other’s throat…..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/nz-first-and-greens-fighting-for-survival-trying-to-kill-each-other-off-amid-green-school-debacle.html

True… or mere hyperbole?

…..or is it a deliberate distractor from this interesting titbit raised in the house today about Jacinda Ardern meeting with one of the owners of Green School last year…

Hon Judith Collins: Does he know if James Shaw, as the associate finance Minister, discussed the Green School with the Prime Minister at any time before the shovel-ready infrastructure package was signed off; if so, how did he learn about that?

Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: No. I’m not aware of that.

Hon Judith Collins: Did the Prime Minister tell him if she’d met with Green School co-founder Rachel Perrett to discuss the future of education in New Plymouth in 2019?

Hon GRANT ROBERTSON: No.
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September 2, 2020 6:49pm
- RJ
  
  Most open government we have ever had? Yes they are openly corrupt and openly lie
  
  Most transparent government we have ever had? Yes they are transparently corrupt and transparently lie.
  
  Traitors to democracy and to New Zealand.
  
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  September 2, 2020 6:58pm
Swifty

An excellent and very recent 30 mins chat between Nigel Farage and Douglas Murray:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKQmgP61LUI

Subjects covered include all the usual left wing nutjobbery that we are all so familiar with – trans, BLM, immigration etc etc

Most recommended.
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September 2, 2020 6:55pm
RW Capitalist

Lets do some math
PM said doing nothing would cost 80000 lives
say 250000 cases per fortnight
so far that would be 2.5 million cases would get it, get over it or die
That is approximately the entire work force of NZ.
(If we ignore the fact the most likely effected the worst are no longer in the work force).
Basically, my point is, the disease would have run it’s course (mostly) and only 250000 would be out of the work force at any one time.
Which is 10% of the workforce off sick, ie a reduction of 10% of the economy.
So explain to me again how shutting down the economy by 100% is better for the economy.
Especially while JA is floundering around trying to explain why she hasn’t killed the disease, as promised.
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September 2, 2020 6:58pm
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All San Fran hair salons are ordered shut but of course Pelosi can get her hair done:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53994209

“Let them eat cake!”
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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/politicians-fired-up-over-vile-social-media-posts-of-jacinda-ardern-with-pornhub-branding.html

I said it was going to be ugly.

Now you see why I wanted to be overseas and miss all this crap.
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