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cmm

I see […] telling the Muslim community that she wants to deport Tarrant if she can.

This is empty popularism.

There is no legal framework to hold him in Australia and if he was deported they’d have to let him go.
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December 3, 2019 8:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I thought she stated on the day of sentencing that she never wanted to hear about him again.
  
  The trauma of March 15 is not easily healed but today I hope is the last where we have any cause to hear or utter the name of the terrorist behind it. His deserves … a lifetime of complete and utter silence,” she said.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/424589/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-felt-relief-after-christchurch-mosque-shooter-s-sentencing
  
  Perhaps she realised she would lose her moments in the limelight if she ceased referring to Brenton Tarrant’s actions.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:23am
  - cmm
    
    Rinse and repeat.
    
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    September 3, 2020 8:30am
    - Jimmy White
      
      Are you talking about Cindy or Pelosi,
      
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      September 3, 2020 9:07am
      - cmm
        
        What’s the difference between PriNZess and Pelosi? 40 years.
        
        Also, Pelosi never got to be head of the UN but PriNZess will be.
        
        #CinD4UN!
        
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        September 3, 2020 4:52pm
  - Inandout
    
    MW, she mentioned Tarrant’s name, a name which she vowed never to utter. She is a flake.
    
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    September 3, 2020 8:31am
  - Catgurl13
    
    I think it’s more about the fact we really can’t afford to keep him here. $6k a day they said?…..that’s more than some wealthy millionaires would spend on themselves living here!
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:03am
    - alloytoo
      
      Release him into general population.
      
      Smile.
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:05am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Why would that be a punishment? Do other prisoners care what he did?
        
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        September 3, 2020 1:37pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Smile because you’re saving a whole wack of money.
        
        I am indifferent to what may or may not happen to him in genpop.
        
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        September 3, 2020 3:27pm
      - cmm
        
        RM: Consider the amount of Muslim advocacy in prisons.
        How better to prove your shiny new Muslim credentials than helping Tarrant when he slips in the shower.
        
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        September 3, 2020 4:54pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    How does this fit with St Jacinda’s vote against the Life Without Parole Bill in 2009?
    
    I don’t which is worse: Being a liar or a hypocrite. All that fairy dust is making her nose grow.
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:33am
- Raphael
  
  Currently no, but Scott Morrison is open to sorting out treaty that would allow criminals in NZ/Aus to be deported back to Aus/NZ and still serve out there time.
  
  And while I suspect that will solve the problem of the Eco-Fascist, Aus has way more Kiwi crims they would happily send back under such an agreement.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:31am
- peterwn
  
  NZ could deport him after he has done a bit of time to fulfil ‘denunciation’. It would require special legislation on NZ’s part (unless there is a mechanism where Ministers can release him early). Australia can then either accept that he will walk free in Australia or enact special legislation to detain him. Risk here is Australia may retaliate by removing Kiwis’ special immigration status in Australia.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:40am
- Yvette
  
  The Islamic Womens Community of New Zealand has pre-maturely released their contribution to the Royal Commission Inquiry into the Christchurch Mosque Massacres with the general gist of it being that they indeed Were Not Us, or, at least have not been treated as such, although many of their comments relate to times when Tarrant was not even in New Zealand.
  
  However, any account that contributes an understanding of why and where Tarrant was radicalised, or why – when he intended to train here for his heinous crime but perform it elsewhere – he changed his mind on its location, and chose New Zealand, could influence his deserving return to Australia.
  So perhaps any consideration of that should be after the rest of the Commission’s material is officially released. Rather than another impulsive, intuitive Captain’s Call be made.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:53am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Here’s a thought: rather than the bogeyman of “radical right-wing websites” and the like, is it possible that politicians like Andrew Little with his hate speech laws, the Leftist intolerant-of-any-dissent side of the political fence generally, or the accusatory pronouncements of groups like The Islamic Women’s Community of New Zealand are what radicalise people like Brenton Tarrant. What comes first, the chicken or the egg?
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:26am
    - IC5000
      
      > are what radicalise people like Brenton Tarrant.
      
      Why not tell us of your own journey into down the Alt right rabbit hole? Sometimes the separation is only a matter of action not ideology.
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:19am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Oh, hi! I’m flattered that you seem to obsessively fantasise about me, feverishly constructing all manner of sweaty scenarios and situations.
        
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        September 3, 2020 11:31am
      - IC5000
        
        The mods recently warned you more than once about making race-based claims and threatened you with a long term ban if you continued. I expect you are now more circumspect after that. Just ensure the mask stays on and you should be ok.
        
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        September 3, 2020 11:47am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        And who the hell are you? Unless you are a Moderator, I couldn’t care less what you think as it is wholly irrelevant. Just get better arguments and you’ll have nothing to be concerned about. However, your obsession with “masks” is kinda kinky though.
        
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        September 3, 2020 12:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Not to forget the Australians killed fighting for rad Islam in Yemen who were allegedly radicalised at the Christchurch mosque.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10118134/Killed-terrorists-radicalised-in-Christchurch
        
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        September 3, 2020 2:40pm
- Clyde
  
  One consideration is that Australia has several people imprisoned for life without parole so they have the facilities. From a purely economic viewpoint better to bung these terminally bad people together in the one facility than essentially create a new environment. How about a contract between NZ and Australia to provide the LWOP facilities needed for both countries. Alternatively ship them all to somewhere really appealing like North Vietnam under a similar contract for services?
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:48am
  - Flossie
    
    North Vietnam? Are you perhaps thinking of North Korea?
    
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    September 3, 2020 2:22pm
    - Clyde
      
      I was. Thanks Flossie.
      
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      September 3, 2020 5:44pm
Sigmund Freud

HITLER NOW! ALERT

Fascism has arrived in Australia!!!

Australian Gestapo arresting an innocent pregnant women who objected to the NAZI-inspired government measures to imprison healthy people in their homes for political gain.

Pregnant Australian Woman Arrested In Front Of Her Kids For A Facebook Post
https://external.fakl6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBHA39Hv6s94lPO&w=500&h=261&url=https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CdgvDEkpEko/maxresdefault.jpg&cfs=1&sx=0&sy=17&sw=1280&sh=668&ext=jpg&_nc_cb=1&_nc_hash=AQCzVH1UQl56RiRL
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September 3, 2020 8:00am
- Inandout
  
  SF, yes a disgusting display of authority gone mad and that Premier should just step down; he is an imbecile. There is a message here though in that commenting on Face Book could be injurious to your health.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:20am
- Evadne
  
  Even the Herald is reporting on it:
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12361723
  
  Police also threaten to fine / arrest protesters.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:24am
  - lifesgood
    
    So why didn’t they arrest the BLM hooligans?
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:46am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      In a state of political Anarcho-Tyranny, the criminals are free, permitted and even encouraged to behave illegally and anti-socially with total impunity, while the law-abiding citizens are inversely clamped down upon hard for even the slightest infringement, real or imagined. The law-abiding majority are squeezed by the anarchic ferals on one side, and a tyrannically oppressive state on the other.
      
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      September 3, 2020 10:14am
      - Batman
        
        Great to see you coming out so strongly against the rampant grifting and corruption which pervades the current US administration. Both from public funds and from campaign funds being channeled to a private organisation, the family, and associates.
        
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        September 3, 2020 10:21am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Not at all. I’m actually referring to the entire political and judicial system in the US, in spite of Trump not because of him. Trump is an exception, not the rule. The guy is extremely wealthy of his own account, so doesn’t need to grift.
        
        “Both from public funds and from campaign funds being channeled to a private organisation, the family, and associates.”
        
        What is your evidence for this, other than the desperate CNN?
        
        He is constrained in terms of what he can do on a state level vis a vis the mob disruption. Personally, I’d like to see him send in overwhelming force to crush the rioters and subversives, and restore order. It is the Democrats who are using these ferals for their political ends, but the public know this. The civil unrest is a very effective and visceral pro-Trump advert at this point.
        
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        September 3, 2020 10:33am
      - Batman
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        So why is his company and his family charging every last dime they can get from taxpayers and the campaign?
        
        If it was Ardern some people here would be bursting blood vessels on an hourly basis.
        
        Righto, hopefully you feel better after letting your fascistic feelings come to the surface. The rest of us know who is who these days, at least.
        
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        September 3, 2020 10:35am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Batman, payments to corporations related to candidates fall under 52 U.S.C. 30118 and are subject to FEC filings. And FEC can demand information on spending (too little, or too much charged) anytime it likes. Since Trump has been campaigning since 2015, do you not think that if there was anything to see, they would have done this already?
        
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        September 3, 2020 11:08am
      - Batman
        
        You mean like the following stories?
        
        https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/17/trump-properties-made-over-17-million-from-campaign-rnc-since-2016.html
        
        “Trump’s campaign paid $2.3 million in donor money to his private business, filings show | Business Insider” https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-campaign-channeled-2-million-to-private-business-filings-2020-8?amp&r=US&IR=T
        
        “Trump’s campaign channeled nearly $400,000 to his private business in 2 days | Business Insider” https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-campaign-sent-380000-to-business-in-2-days-2020-7?amp&r=US&IR=T
        
        My favourite is this one where Eric claims they charge at cost or for free, when that measurably a lie.
        “Report: Taxpayers Have Paid the Trump Organization Nearly $1 Million for Hotel Rooms Alone | Vanity Fair” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/taxpayers-have-paid-the-trump-organization-nearly-1-million-dollars-for-hotel-rooms/amp
        
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        September 3, 2020 11:30am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  in a state where police are bought and paid for.
  
  I have a few mates that have had visits from police here for FB posts, 1 because he was posting lots of “disrespectful” memes and comments of dear leader after march 15th (zero threats just funny everyday KB type comments)
  
  expect more of this here and abroad, I see on stuffed theres also a new push to rush the hate speech law changes.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:25am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Exactly. Yet as a nation we’re sleepwalking towards it.
    
    I know what ACT’s policy is: no. I wouldn’t have a clue what National’s is except as I recall Bridges mumbling something about letting the review process go through. Typical National fence-sitting. Completely unreliable as a party of principle.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:26am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      When you have $50M stacked against you keeping your head down until an opportune time is smart. The bullies are still everywhere, but we will overcome.
      
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      September 3, 2020 10:20am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Oh, you again: the National apologist, with your “softly-softly, catchee monkey” type rubbish.
        
        What the hell does standing up for free speech have to do with anything but simple morality? And what the fuck does money or any other factor have to do with standing up for it?
        
        Nothing. It’s sickening that National can’t issue a simple press release to say that planned hate speech laws and government internet filters are a violation of the Bill of Rights and an affront to every New Zealander.
        
        There, I’ve just done it for them. But no, apparently that’s too hard, and the likes of you go on apologising and making excuses for the lack of such simple statements.
        
        You’re part of the problem.
        
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        September 3, 2020 10:33am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Can you elaborate on the FB posts that caused the NZ police to pay your mates a visit? Did they make it known on FB that the cops had tried to suppress their free speech? What law had they transgressed?
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:31am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      And was it law in all Australia or just some states?
      
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      September 3, 2020 10:00am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        It is basically Victoria and Queensland to a lesser extent.
        Victoria the cops can now enter home unannounced and take your phone and computer and arrest you for incitement.
        Andrews has just been given another 6 months to do as he pleases with no parliament sitting.
        There is going to be huge blow back.
        Sam Newman also had a visit.
        https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6186906790001
        
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        September 3, 2020 10:35am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      Was alot of horse, headscarf, treating muslim better then kiwi comments and memes.
      
      the visit came a couple days after criticising the ptpm jetting to the islands, he posted a horses chaff bag with comments along the lines of hope she dosent go hungry. he was mates with quite a few cops that see what he posts so dont know if someone complained or they took it upon themselves to tell him to tone it down.
      
      Know another guy here also got a nasty visit, posted “im not handing in any banned firearms” was a piss take as he didnt own any newly prohibited guns but a couple weeks later 3 cops threatening alsorts rocked up at his door and searched the house.
      dumb thing to post I know but when people openly advertise and sell drugs on the platform and police claim theyre powerless to act I find it strange they can do so for thought crimes and dumbass comments
      
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      September 3, 2020 10:20am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Hard to believe that.
    
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    September 3, 2020 1:14pm
- Swifty
  
  Wow.
  
  I have thought for years that this will happen here, but not in Oz. Surely not in Oz. They’re too anti-authoritarian for that.
  
  How wrong I am.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:47am
  - Parnell Gun Club
    
    It’s Victoria. Liberal hell-hole.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:12am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I think you mean Labor hell-hole!
      
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      September 3, 2020 8:56pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Aussies like to think they are descendants of Transportee Convicts, they’re not they are the descendants of the Prison Guards.
    In my experience of living and working in Australia, your average aussie is very supportive of over the top authoritarian police behaviour.
    Until now, I’m expecting that to change.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:25am
    - Tall Man
      
      You may be right but the Australian side of my heritage can be traced right back to a convict from Cornwall 😉
      
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      September 3, 2020 1:24pm
    - IC5000
      
      > Aussies like to think they are descendants of Transportee Convicts, they’re not they are the descendants of the Prison Guards.
      
      Half of Australians have a parent born overseas so they are necessarily of convict extraction. I’ve noticed Anglo Australians tend to have a more black and white view of morality than your woggy type being Greek, Italian or Lebanese who simply pays lip service to the rules and does their own thing. I’d put it down to their parents having to scrabble hard to make a living in more entrepreneurial areas than large corporates where following the rules would get you somewhere. Probably a bit different in regional areas like QLD where they vote for sleazy so called law and order candidates like Christiansen
      
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      September 3, 2020 2:55pm
  - kowtow
    
    If you follow the Pell case that was clearly a political show trial . I mean that literally.
    
    Be very afraid.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:44am
  - Inandout
    
    Swifty, Melbourne tolerated regular ‘climate marches’ that brought the CBD to a halt. Not a squeak from the cops, nor I suspect from the dopey residents. Years of socialist dross leads to this. South Australia also suffers wokeness and I think years of soft living leads to this.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:55am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      blm… crickets
      
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      September 3, 2020 10:21am
- IC5000
  
  Looks like she was charged with incitement
  
  Inciting a person to pursue a course of conduct that will, if acted upon, involve the commission of an offence by the person incited and/or the inciter is an indictable offence (Crimes Act 1958 s321G).[1]
  
  Looks like she was attempting to organise a gathering which is currently illegal under directions issued by the Chief Health Officer.
  
  The way she backed down instantly when the cuffs came out fingered her as another interweb warrior.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:26am
  - Evadne
    
    No, it showed she was frightened by the threatening power of the state being unleashed for a Facebook post.
    
    It’s the stuff of nightmares for Jane AverageCitizen.
    
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    September 3, 2020 2:59pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    That’s exactly right. It makes me laugh when people cry foul after being caught red-handed.
    
    But I’ll take it down!
    But we won’t have the protest now!
    But I’m pregnant! I have an ultra-sound IN AN HOUR!
    You can’t arrest me in front of my children!
    
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    September 3, 2020 8:59pm
wimpston peeeders

so its becoming fairly obvious that the temporary “winter energy payment” is really just a bene boost in disguise that will likely become permanent now.
how long before cindy announces policy for it to be permanent and buy her a few votes back?

Listening to advocates its very disapointing the language used. They all say that these people “deserve” it, um no they dont they may “need” it but no one deserves handouts of taxpayer money.

these clowns that think this is a good idea obviously havent heard of austerity, they better read up on it because its fast becoming part of their future if the govt keeps throwing cash around and wastefull spending.
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September 3, 2020 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  Given this COL is so certain of “Global Warming” they should be winding down the payments.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:18am
- Mike22240
  
  I have heard stories of the winter energy payment being more than the power bill. Shocking stuff.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:25am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    my mate gets it and lives off grid with hydro and solar it scores him a bottle of whisky every few weeks.
    
    the CoL has taken a blanket/shotgun approach to splashing the cash, the only targeting they do is if it would attract votes.
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:24am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Even worse: ‘entitlement’. A WINZ guy kept telling me I was ‘entitled’ to keep the wage subsidy when I’d just called to find out how to repay it (since I’d managed to earn more than I had expected despite the idiotic govt decisions of L4). I don’t even think he was correct, let alone what any decent person should want to do.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:48am
- MCos
  
  “so its becoming fairly obvious that the temporary “winter energy payment” . . . . will likely become permanent now.“
  
  Suits me
  
  “More than the power bill”
  
  Can confirm
  
  All the grizzlers whose incomes were propped up by billions of taxpayer dollars, including the Taxpayers Union employees, can get stuffed.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:13am
  - G152
    
    I donate the ‘energy payment’ to St John.
    It does more there than it could here
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:40am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I will do something similar next year. The few weeks I will receive of it this year since turning 65 in July will help my address some of the holes in my personal finances , a residue of a pretty volatile last three years.
      
      I could opt out, but I figure it’s better to donate to a charity I support and trust than to simply allow the Government to spend it for me.
      
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      September 3, 2020 9:49am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Tsk tsk tsk Tony Stuart: sounds like you’ve decided that the CoL will continue to reign after the election? Am shocked!!
        Not only that, but will continue to pay electricity subsidies through the energy payment.
        Or are you thinking that in the rather unlikely event that National does form a government they will also continue with this type of voter bribe?
        
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        September 3, 2020 1:46pm
- thirteenstars
  
  “how long before cindy announces policy for it to be permanent and buy her a few votes back?”
  
  Doubtful. Ardern has all their votes locked up. Hell, I know plenty of regular middle class folks, many self-employed, who are voting Labour for the first time simply because of Ardern. A couple of stores in the main street have “Thanks Jacinda” art in their windows.
  
  When supposedly safe National voters are beguiled by Ardern’s performance you know she’s a shoe-in. Reality or future plans don’t come into it.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    Hopefully October 17 will change all that.
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:36am
- Flossie
  
  Yes it will probably become permanent. Is it just the beginning of getting everybody on to that universal income (which I can’t recall the name of)? No I don not approve!
  I struggle also to understand what this “living wage” is, when it’s so far above the minimum wage.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Austerity for the elderly without heating can mean hospitalisation or death. For the younger it means missing work or sub par performance. Seasonal affective disorder is community wide and closes down many each year. If that can be combatted as happened to me this year economic production and savings in health costs may give a rich reward. If the mood of the winter community can be raised that may bring gains well beyond the cost.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:28am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Total agreement.
    
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    September 3, 2020 1:07pm
2ic

There seems to be this ongoing narrative that New Zealanders are flocking back home due to how well we have handled the Covid-19 pandemic. For example, Stuart Nash on NewstalkZB with Hosking yesterday:

“They’re flooding into the country, and from all over the world actually because they’re looking from where they are, and seeing New Zealand as the safe haven that it is, and seeing how well Jacinda has managed this”
(https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/pollies-james-shaw-under-pressure-following-school-funding-backlash/)

Interesting to see official Customs Passenger Statics show a different picture. Here are monthly net arrivals March-August 2020:

Mar: -63,078
Apr: -25,511
May: -4,534
Jun: -5,702
Jul: -9,158
Aug: -3,040

(https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/more-information/passenger-statistics/)

So people are still pouring out of New Zealand. Obviously, there would have been a lot of visitors initially returning home, but considering New Zealand has had net migration figures of around +$50,000 a year for the previous couple of years, this seems to be a significant exodus.
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September 3, 2020 8:02am
- Tall Man
  
  I know a couple. They have returned and immediately applied for welfare despite considerable assets back in their normal country of residence.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:14am
  - MCos
    
    In other words they’re attempting to cheat the system.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:21am
    - lifesgood
      
      But will be successful, no doubt. It’s a lolly scramble, don’t you know.
      
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      September 3, 2020 9:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      Cheat? Utilize the system is how they would see it.
      
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      September 3, 2020 10:08am
- Nukuleka
  
  What interests me is that foreign migrant workers continue to enter the country with guaranteed job offers. Mainly from India. I know of two such family groups just out of quarantine.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:43am
  - Catgurl13
    
    That is because the employers put them on the lowest hourly rate or salary. It doesn’t help that these imports offer to work for the lowest pay,which undoes all our hard work to raise pay rates or for people who stay in jobs waiting for their pay rise.
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:46am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Also, we are getting more NZers returning but fewer immigrants who are not NZers. The first group tend to be older and/or will probably head off overseas again when this is over. Then the deficit will be even worse.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:48am
- rockape
  
  Remember many overseas who are now out of work won’t get benefits overseas so have to return and go straight on the dole.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:54am
- SJ Actual
  
  Great stats!
  (well – not great for NZ, but very interesting)
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:00am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Interesting figures.
  
  Basically no-one other than returning New Zealanders have been able to come into the country since March. So the outflow represents tourists and short term work visa holders leaving the country. Therefore the big outflow in March and April will be short stay tourists leaving. In addition there are a significant number of young overseas people here on temporary work/travel visas. Many of them will have been working in hospitality (most waiters used to be young overseas people). They will have qualified for the wage subsidy, but will have now lost their jobs and will therefore be leaving. That probably accounts for the July surge. For instance, I don’t see so many foreign wait staff any more.
  
  Will we get to a point where there is a net inflow? I reckon we will. Once all the short term work visa people (as opposed to the longer term work visa people) have left, I suspect we will see returning New Zealanders out number those leaving. Maybe within a couple of months.
  
  We are told that around 3,000 New Zealanders are coming in each week. I imagine the biggest group are young OE travellers returning, no doubt mostly going back to live with parents. Some will get jobs, some will do more study, some will get the benefit. I suspect the next big group will be people returning from Australia who have lost their jobs. They will put quite a lot of pressure on house rentals (virtually none can afford to buy a house). Many, if not most, will be going straight onto unemployment benefits. There will be a smaller group of well heeled New Zealanders returning. Will they make a noticeable difference to our economic prospects? Maybe, though it will depend on how many are in this category.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:57am
  - theoldbloke
    
    Wouldnt it be nice if someone actually did some research on who is coming and going across the borders!!!!!
    
    All I get is guesses and opinions.
    A waste of space..
    
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    September 3, 2020 12:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A long but illuminating read on Dr Shane Reti
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/02-09-2020/do-no-harm-dr-shane-reti-on-leading-nationals-changed-covid-19-response/
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September 3, 2020 8:02am
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  MW,
  
  Like making future lockdowns more sophisticated
  
  ????
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Did you even read the article, stephieboy?
    
    Do you realise how foolish you appear after making that comment?
    
    You don’t seem to have a clue as to his fields of expertise.
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:46am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Some Labour troll on a Facebook video with Judith and Shane lase night referred to Shane as Collin’s brown handbag.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:58am
igm

Are “Stuff” no longer identifying thugs (may as well not report) or is this part of the deal with Labour and Little to receive taxpayers’ money to keep their vile and pathetic socialist rhetoric in the public arena.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122615543/wellington-man-attacked-and-robbed-after-asking-person-to-stop-smoking-on-the-bus
Lay odds 10:1 I could give an off-the-cuff identity of the mongrels.
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September 3, 2020 8:03am
- Inandout
  
  igm, why don’t people use their cars in Wellington? Parking fees are cheaper than being attacked. And mate, get rid of those headphones.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:25am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    They got stolen, didn’t they?
    
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    September 3, 2020 8:15pm
- simpleton1
  
  It is out there on social media.
  
  ….. The next night, the victim was “enraged” to be told the assault had been filmed and posted on social media. ….
  …… police conducted area inquiries, but did not locate the group. …….
  
  The police are asking any who has information to get in touch.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:21am
  - igm
    
    Reiterates my reasoning why Stuff did not publish details of the offenders ethnicity, etc.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:38am
andrew davies

Gotta love the Dems. They did not know rioting, arson and looting were wrong till they did a poll. Am loving the strong leadership, not.
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September 3, 2020 8:03am
- Simon
  
  From the interweb
  
  “The Democratic Party has finished transitioning from being the party of JFK, to being the party of Lee Harvey Oswald”
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:26am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    The first part is correct, but does anyone still seriously think that “lone gunman Oswald” shot JFK? That is about as credible as Epstein committing suicide, or Russian collusion, or “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:43am
    - Batman
      
      Sometimes the truth is boring and disappointing.
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:06am
      - IC5000
        
        Indeed. Why is why people need to impute their political hero’s with all kinds of attributes that they themselves are lacking to remedy a deficit in their own lives. As Jordan Peterson might have said it’s better to fix your own life first before seeking salvation in a snake oil conman who will just pump and dump you.
        
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        September 3, 2020 11:27am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        In that case, you are the embodiment of the truth.
        
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        September 3, 2020 11:37am
      - IC5000
        
        As I’ve said before I don’t have hero’s, just anti-hero’s that I actively avoid becoming like due to their flawed characters and degenerate nature.
        
        Obviously you are high up on the list.
        
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        September 3, 2020 11:50am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Ah…I clearly wasn’t talking to you. I am, however, glad that as an individual who is high-up on your “anti-hero” list, I’m evidently living in your head rent-free.
        
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        September 3, 2020 12:40pm
wimpston peeeders

50k handout to build a house!And I thought the $20 handout to buy a burger and a beer was retarded.
I guess the folk putting forth these proposals see the massive waste of money cindy and robo have frittered away and think their cause is a better use.

while it may stimulate building I seen similar during my time in aussie (45k? For 1st homebuyer/builder) well the instant impact was house prices jumped the same amount so was effectively useless and just made housing more expensive.

same would happen here with the 50k, councils will find a way to soak up 20k of it and tradies will soak up the rest with the end result most likely even more unaffordable housing.
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September 3, 2020 8:04am
- Tall Man
  
  Unfortunately our building industry was virtually at capacity prior to the 2017 election and has remained there since, apart from the covid con timeout.
  
  So we have a conundrum, we need to import import builders to build the houses they need to live in so they can build the housing we need.
  
  The other issue is that many of those builders aren’t certified or certifiable so need a time lag before they are up to spec.
  
  Does anyone in their right mind truly believe there is anyone within the coalition capable of solving that issue?
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  ‘well the instant impact was house prices jumped’
  
  Funny innit , Economics 101 , 40 years ago taught that . And yet they tell us policy decisions are driven by “experts” . Nope it’s driven by the Polly’s desire to stay at the trough.
  
  I’d apply that to the wuflu response too.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:25am
- Mike22240
  
  If we are serious about affordable homes we need to fix the RMA and stop a lot of the needless ticket clipping by councils. We also need to consider opening up large parcels of land. If we decide we don’t want to do that we have chosen higher house prices. The building industry would struggle to scale without these changes and without security against movements like Ihumato
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:27am
  - Gravelroad
    
    No offence intended Mike22240, but people, especially out in the provinces, have been begging for the RMA madness to be addressed for years and years – with little success.
    It was too hard for the previous National Government who blamed Winston Peters for not supporting change- and so nothing happened.
    Local body councils (“ticket clippers” as you describe them) have to put into practice all the RMA requirements foisted on them by central government via the RMA. They have to employ more and more staff and pay them big money to do it – so ever increasing consent bills and rate hikes.
    And it continues: a talkback radio programme the other day (Kerre on newstalkzb) addressed the impact of the new freshwater regulations. A man rang up from down south and said the Otago Regional Council will have to triple its consenting staff to implement and monitor all the new rules.
    Labour love rules and and regulations.
    There will be more to appease the “environmental” activists who protest but don’t work or pay for their demands.
    Councils and ratepayers are the ones who pay.
    Protesting is easy -and cheap.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:38am
    - Mike22240
      
      No offence taken all your points are reasonable.
      
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      September 3, 2020 10:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

Suffer little children
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018762368/canterbury-dhb-children-s-emergency-and-acute-services-can-t-open
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September 3, 2020 8:04am
- Tall Man
  
  I wonder if $11.7 million would help……
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:30am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Not shovel ready?
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:13pm
- Jack5
  
  I’m sceptical about Unicef, but the report shows New Zealand has slipped in child education. This is relative to countries of the OECD and the EU – that is relative to other developed countries.
  
  This is one reflection of our country’s decline under the super-fast population growth strategy of the last five or so years.
  
  Diving relative GDP per capita is the measure as soaring population (the fastest in these rich countries) sinks us into the Third World. We’re already behind the UK, and well behind Australia.
  
  Just push the population to ten million, we’ll have a viable base, and we’ll boom, was the fuckwits’ cry.
  
  Yeah, right.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:05am
Tall Man

An article shamelessly stolen by me from Sir Bob’s blog commenter Alan W.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/academics-are-really-really-worried-about-their-freedom/615724/

Now a question in a vein that often gets my comment deleted, does banning the use of the phrase “ardern is a liar” fall into “cancel culture”?
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September 3, 2020 8:04am
- Inandout
  
  TM, academics are on full pay regardless of C19. Can’t please some people.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:27am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Are people getting comments deleted on Kiwiblog just for pointing out that Ardern is a liar?
  
  [Mod. https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy ]
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:50am
  - Tall Man
    
    As the mod says, it’s “methodology” in the rules however, I saw it as a “public service” like ANZAC day, lest we forget 😉
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:31am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “ Abusive nicknames for MPs such as “Ardern the liar”, “Golly G”, “Simple Simon” will be unacceptable. You can critique something they have said or done, but not just repeat an abusive nickname.”
    
    But if someone has lied obviously and publicly several times, they are still not ‘a liar’?
    
    Since it’s based on a person’s decisions and activities I’d actually find that quite different from the other nicknames.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:47am
    - Tall Man
      
      You and I are on the same page.
      
      Shame some others aren’t 😉
      
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      September 3, 2020 10:09am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Hm, since we shouldn’t joke about characteristics people have no control over, what are the mods trying to tell us ;)?
        
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        September 3, 2020 2:15pm
      - Batman
        
        If you just post “Ardern is a liar” then you’ll likely get it binned.
        
        If you say it within the context of a larger comment that provides examples, it won’t be binned.
        
        Easy!
        
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        September 3, 2020 2:29pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Ask DPF
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:17am
krazykiwi

This morning RNZ gave Hipkins a 40s political party advertisement disguised as a news sound bite. Shameful
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September 3, 2020 8:05am
- hullkiwi
  
  kk, how is this for a bit of amusement.
  
  It is being reported in the Horrid that TVNZ has been overtaken by YouTube as Kiwis main source of news. I appreciate that says many things about the sheeple (they might as well watch TikTok).
  
  But if I take yesterday as a for instance of you don’t watch TVNZ for news, it is the clear and blatant editorial filtering processes they are resorting to in favour of the government.
  
  Two news items in yesterday’s media were:
  1. The primary care nurses strike; and
  2. The failure to test frontline border workers for Covid. This was reported in all private news sources but not TVNZ.
  
  For a while now we have moaned about media bias, but TVNZ’s filtering of bad news stories about the CoL is probably a good reason why people are turning to other sources. Then you add in the shameful pro-govt plugs, it doesn’t take much to work out why most Kiwis are ill informed.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:56am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    In all seriousness, I get most of my news via political blogs like Kiwiblog, reliable news sites like Breitbart (which if you ignore the comments, is a very reliable news site with links to verifiable sources) and political YouTube commentators that also link back to original source material. It’s amazing just how biased the MSM has become, and it’s so apparent when you see the original videos etc for yourself.
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:48am
    - Batman
      
      Brian, Breitbart recycles Russian agit-prop from their farms in addition to the conspiracy stuff from various unreliable sources.
      
      Videos get manipulated and presented without context.
      
      Please take a more critical approach or you’re just going to continue getting duped.
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:05am
      - All_on_Red
        
        What a lot of shit
        Stop gaslighting and telling lies with your non stop moronic comments
        What a ?
        
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        September 3, 2020 12:19pm
- alwyn
  
  Well the story demonstrated one thing.
  Why is it that everything Hipkins touches turns to rust?
  He obviously doesn’t have any time to worry about his responsibilities in either Education or Health.
  He is spending all his time trawling through pornographic rubbish on the Internet looking for things to drool over.
  Perhaps he could look at why a senior politician in his own Party seemed to be so keen on a singer whose main claim to fame was that he wanted to kill the (then) Prime Minister and to rape the PM’s daughter.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:34am
Tricati

I see another National hit job on Stuff through their ‘Munted’ articles on the earthquakes 10-year anniversary.
Yesterday they had a go through the Anglican minister who was a very noisy activist against anything National/Jerry did, ably assisted by motor-mouth Megan Woods. Ask him now how things ate going with EQC under Woods and Robertson and he is very quiet – go figure.
Today they bring out Tony Simpson, ex principal of Phillipstown School, to have a go at John Key and Hekia Parata over the school reforms post the earthquakes. No mention of the re-distribution of the population in Christchurch and the many new schools built by National to accommodate those moving or the modernisation/update of other schools damaged.
Stuff are a disgrace, as they have completely abandoned any sense of objectivity or balance in their articles and the sooner they go completely broke the better.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/122485286/munted-it-was-quite-simple-it-was-good-versus-evil
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September 3, 2020 8:07am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  stuffeds general themes
  international – orange man bad
  domestic – blue party bad
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:14am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, Tricati, agree.
  This is shameless, partisan electioneering by Stuff – so far.
  Let’s see if there are any articles featuring Christchurch/ Canterbury people with a different perspective .
  After all, the media doesn’t really need to promote Labour in urban Christchurch.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:31am
- Paulus
  
  What do you expect for a Dollar purchase price – but with a large share of your taxpayer $50 million and more to follow shortly as they have spent that.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:39am
- Jimmy White
  
  She should reduce her roll to 25, Cancel her accreditation, teach crystal health and $11 million will come her way
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:59am
- Raphael
  
  It does seem like an attack series on Brownlee.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    Raphael, that’s Labour’s modus operandi and they have got more brazen about it after mercilessly, and successfully villifying Simon Bridges. I was disgusted with the number of Nat supporters who joined the Labour throng on that issue. They have nobody worth a tin of fish so attack is all they have.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:56am
- igm
  
  Be like many, do not buy anything of value if it has been advertised in “Stuff”, informing the retailers why.
  I know this is a lefty attitude, but anything to help rid the country of Stuff and its adherents, can only be for the good of us all.
  I cancelled the purchase of a expensive car recently, buying the equivalent from another franchise that does not advertise with Stuff, making my reasons clear.
  They were astounded but seems I was not alone in this decision.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:36am
- yossarian
  
  Go woke, go broke
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:09am
Swifty

A stark reminder that there are people in this world who have put us on notice – “Offend us and we will slaughter you in your shops and offices – you have been warned”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300098194/charlie-hebdo-republishes-prophet-mohammed-cartoon-ahead-of-shooting-trial

And I see the Pakistani Government has learned nothing and is still pandering to the Islamists in their midst:

“”Such a deliberate act to offend the sentiments of billions of Muslims cannot be justified as an exercise in press freedom or freedom of expression,” it tweeted.”

Oh yes it can you [del.] Islamofascists.
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September 3, 2020 8:09am
Tall Man

Another thought/comment, posted separately on the offchance …….

The meme yesterday with ardern under a “Pornhub” banner was pretty childish but relatively harmless. I mean who in the world would imagine that Pornhub would employ her in any way.

The response from the left was to alter the post/meme to try to link it with Judith Collins, also childish but slightly more nasty as the media latch onto that. Then they decided to “show” that Judith’s husband was the culprit but couldn’t help themselves and superimposed his face onto an ape picture.

So, black lives only matter if they vote labour, or only if they carry guns or knives and threaten the police?

Asking for a friend.
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September 3, 2020 8:10am
- Jimmy White
  
  Racism is a disease of the right. Hatred and arson are a enlightenment of the left.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:03am
- Philview
  
  RNZ talked about it this morning in the context of introducing regulations to control political memes. I would consider such a move a real infringement of my freedom and imagine that any NZ Government that legislates to protect itself from satire is in for a hell of a fight.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:21am
- JibberJabber
  
  Heh, the Left can’t meme cos’ you have to have a sense of humour to do that.
  https://twitter.com/Will_of_Ockham/status/1301266724327698434
  
  https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1300867924404498435/photo/1
  
  And on the subject of memes, given all the upset Labour voters “calling out” Mr Wong -Tung , it should be easy for the NZ Relations Commission to have a word with them, no?
  Or it’s OK when Labour do it?
  Of course, what they are really upset about is the level of truth in those memes.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:36am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Meanwhile Stuff has a cartoon of Judith as a hypocrite over proven non-issues. How is this different? Again, Stuff has a much bigger audience and claims to be unbiased.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:20am
dcrane

“Teen who sexually assaulted women on Palmerston North walkway avoids conviction”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122630501/teen-who-sexually-assaulted-women-on-palmerston-north-walkway-avoids-conviction

The article mentions no punishment at all. And we have this on the same day:

“Reports of women indecently assaulted near Porirua train station believed to be linked”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/09/reports-of-women-indecently-assaulted-near-porirua-train-station-believed-to-be-linked.html
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September 3, 2020 8:12am
- Chris R
  
  The Judge in the Palmerston North matter is particularly wet (oh and stupid too!)
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:00am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Re: the first link, the answer is in the second sentence.
  
  Three assaults on three different days are surely aggravating factors and surely provide grounds against a discharge without conviction.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:01am
- Jack5
  
  The defence lawyer is reported as saying this off the offender:
  
  He worked with gang members, some of whom recruited Williams and pressured him to carry out an attack on women as part of an initiation process.
  
  He was instructed to do something more serious but he could not bring himself to.
  
  “You said you were being watched and feared consequences for yourself and whānau if you did not comply.
  
  So it’s gang related. As with firearms, one regime for the law abiding, another for gangs.
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:47pm
Maggie Pie

…..get Better Work Stories 😀

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg7lbKHU8AAXFIB?format=jpg&name=900×900
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September 3, 2020 8:13am
- mark15
  
  One of those peelers,sorry kneelers can’t tie his laces.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Needs a new razor too.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:27am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  What an utter disgrace. No self-respect.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:02am
- yossarian
  
  Somehow I think of this image
  
  https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSau28tJtWBUHVy9ZE5T8rraniEVYrqkImyPw&usqp=CAU
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:54am
Benedict Yu

Last night I played around with Google Trends. It shows what terms people search for by country. I checked out “child poverty in New Zealand”. Betwen 2015 and 2017 the trend was up. It really spiked up when Jacinda became leader and then again when she introduced the Child Poverty Reduction Bill. Then searches declined steadily to 2020, down by about 70 percent.

Unfortunately I can’t figure out how to share the results on here.

It is interesting that the topic has been quietly shelved. The PM used to talk about it daily. Now she never does despite many families facing increasing hardship.
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September 3, 2020 8:14am
- krazykiwi
  
  You will recall that in August 2017 there were vast numbers of homeless people, crowded 15 at a time into damp garages, or living in cars. By November they’d presumably all found homes as there were no further mentions of this social tragedy. The MSM create the news, and Google searches follow.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:21am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Most of them have gone to motels in the suburbs, at a cost of up to $3000 per unit per week.
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:05am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      There are three motels adjacent to each other in Petone, independently owned but all under the same (Indian) Management company. They have been used as emergency accomodation but WINZ has recently cancelled the contract because of the disgusting state of them.
      
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      September 3, 2020 10:30am
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        were the disgusting before or after the hordes of scum inhabited them?
        
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        September 3, 2020 12:29pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Apparently before and during.
        
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        September 3, 2020 2:44pm
- alloytoo
  
  perhaps everyone on Kiwiblog should start googling that, see if we can move those trends.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:31am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I guess Labour have solved child poverty. You would think they would crow about it as they haven’t achieved anything else.
  They must be too modest!
  
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  September 3, 2020 12:07pm
SB2

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Channelling Thatcher, echoing Muldoon.

Maggie, Maggie on the wall show me how to rule them all

Muldoon on the wall, Heh, heh, heh

Judith: I can work with that !

HEH!, HEH!, HEH!

https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/hu9n5f/channelling_thatcher_echoing_muldoon_my_judith/

Too True

LOL
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September 3, 2020 8:14am
- mandk
  
  Idiot.
  
  When Margaret Thatcher came to power in the UK, the country was a complete and utter basket case, rightly referred to as the sick man of Europe.
  
  Under the Heath, Wilson and Callaghan governments, the running of the country had been effectively handed over to the unions. The performance of the economy was dismal. And the country’s finances were in such a poor state that the government had to go cap in hand to the IMF for a bail out.
  
  Thatcher changed all that. The country’s economic performance and finances improved out of all recognition. The unelected union barons were put in their place. And most importantly, national pride was restored – no more sick man of Europe tag.
  
  Only slavering, anti-enterprise and anti-freedom lefties fail to recognise the transformation she achieved.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:11am
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    And what happened under Muldoon and how did Thatcher’s rule end?
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:36am
    - mandk
      
      Doesn’t matter how Thatcher’s rule ended.
      She had done what was desperately needed by then.
      
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      September 3, 2020 12:14pm
    - yossarian
      
      Muldoon was more of a socialist than your beloved Jacinda.
      
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      September 3, 2020 5:49pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I never liked Muldoon…but.
    When ever anyone brings his name up like this clown.
    I ask…..did you turn the lights on this morning?
    Because without the Clyde dam, you wouldn’t be able to.
    Kirk did nothing and left us NO lasting infrastructure.
    Lange did nothing and left us NO lasting infrastructure.
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:39am
    - theoldbloke
      
      Lange did nothing??????
      You obviously dont follow whats happening in NZ.
      Langes gummint dragged us back from the financial abyss of Muldoons era.
      Floated the dollar
      Removed subsidies
      Flatttened the tax structure- GST
      Eliminated waste, Prebbles gutting wasteful employment in Governmnet Departments – You might be too young to remember the omni shambles that was railways.
      
      ie Made NZ competiitive again
      
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      September 3, 2020 1:23pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        did you read the premise of the statement.
        here I’ll help with what you missed.
        ……….left us NO lasting infrastructure.
        But on the finance side.
        You left out
        Lange left us in recession
        and
        Lange left the coffers empty, just like Cullen
        Lange drove away all our friends and allies
        You might be too young to remember the omni shambles that was railways..
        1. I am not too young to remember Langes lies and obfucations (I am 60)
        2. One of the key planks of “think big” was the improvement to rail, of which Lange did nothing.
        3. Lange was responsible for allowing penalties to be incurred on the loan for Motonui, so he could claim that it made a loss….Many within the Labour Party at the time were bragging about how he pulled that off.
        
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        September 3, 2020 3:27pm
    - yossarian
      
      And waiting six months for a telephone?
      
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      September 3, 2020 5:50pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why do you so hate able people?
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:36am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Incompetent people hate competent people.
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:06am
Swifty

See what excellent backup and support $50M buys you?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/122485286/munted-it-was-quite-simple-it-was-good-versus-evil

Stuff gets stuck right in to Hekia Parata, John Key and National. A battle of ‘good versus evil’. The clear implication that National are ‘callous’, ‘brutal’, and ‘un-compassionate’. Downright evil.

Any right of reply given to Hekia? No.
Any right of reply given to Key? No.
Any right of reply given to National? No.

Just a plain, unvarnished hit on National – and a very poor piece of journalism in that we don’t hear from the other side to allow an objective and fair evaluation of the situation.

We always knew that if it was going to be anyone it would be the left who sought to buy the NZ news media. We all know National would never have done it – their own supporters would have torn strips off them it they tried it.

And sure enough Labour has gone and done it. A pox on you too Stuff for accepting the money.
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September 3, 2020 8:17am
Raphael

Discussing Politics with my family, and one of my cousin’s did a Political landscape thingy. and we noticed something weird.
They now have Labour almost dead centre on Economics, and a little above the line on Social, National slightly right of mid right (so on headed far right) on Economics, and almost dead centre on Social.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/prg4jokn1wj6ahg/WhatsApp%20Image%202020-09-02%20at%207.50.34%20PM.jpeg?dl=1

compare to the previous election, Labour was was past midway on the Left, and headed to far left on Economic and was more progressive on Social.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a6i8c82vhugvqq6/WhatsApp%20Image%202020-09-03%20at%208.02.05%20AM.jpeg?dl=1

Major Policies haven’t changed. I suspect someone is trying to paint Labour as the party of the centre.
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September 3, 2020 8:29am
- cmm
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:31am
  - SB2
    
    cmm,
    
    The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time.”
    
    And you have the nerve to call yourself a centrist ?
    
    LOL
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:42am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      And stuffy has the nerve to call himself non sexist? We all know what you did to Maggy W.
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:22am
    - cmm
      
      When have I ever called myself a centrist?
      
      You, however, continue to spread bullshit about people with absolutely no shame.
      
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      September 3, 2020 1:16pm
- rjay
  
  Possibly the “centre” has changed
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:32am
- Tall Man
  
  Did you measure “Policies”, “promises”, “aspirations” or deliveries?
  
  Sorry, forgot “captain’s calls”……….
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:32am
- Gravelroad
  
  The Labour Party is the centre of socialism, the politics of envy and the redistribution of property and resources.
  That’s all.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:34am
- mandk
  
  It doesn’t matter where Labour is on the spectrum.
  
  The party needs to be judged solely on its record of delivery. And its record speaks for itself.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:00am
  - Raphael
    
    The problem is the people who vote on feelz think merely setting a target means “atleast you tried” and that you need a participation trophy.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:23am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  go use tvnz vote compass, they place labour closest to centre out of all the parties which is utter BS.
  Alot of the questions are loaded, I really hope ppl do not vote based on outcome of this. I completed it out of curiosity and it told me winston or labour, imo my answers would be very anti labour and only slight winstons way, and when you rank the parties at zero it still says you should vote for them.
  
  I think the vote compass is rigged and very biased.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:02am
  - hilaryt
    
    Me too. Said as much to our 20somethings who all came right above Labour. I commented that Labour was rigged as centrist benchmark and everyone knows elections are won/lost in the centre, they want you to think you are the fertile ground, ergo you’ll vote Labour. No comment from them.
    
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    September 3, 2020 12:28pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  I am wondering what information you and the app designers are using to determine what Labour’s “Policies” are. We have seen what they have done, and not done, in Government, but much of that is not a reflection of their policies – it is a reflection of what they have managed, or not managed, to persuade Winston to agree with. As such their actions should be taken as a watered down version of their policies.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:14am
  - alloytoo
    
    Labour have policies?
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:27am
- SB2
  
  Labour party of the Centre . Well the facts are they are.
  
  Where does put auntie Judith and her party right of centre?
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Labour almost dead centre on Economics
  They’re like wild things with a pot of gold.
  
  Robbo will have no plans to pay back the current profligate spending as he has control of the Reserve Bank. A communist takeover is quietly underway. Everyone is to progressively re-homed in state provided accommodation; next it will be community food banks, state controlled news, thought crimes, doctrinaire teachers, hospitals without care, foreign workers replacing our own whom we forgot to train to meet needs…
  
  ☑️☑️Can do and does☑️☑️
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:50am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    State controlled news I hear every morning on red radio. Predictable: orange man bad, Maori and PI always disadvantaged, Ardern wonderful. Pretty much covers it.
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:20am
kowtow

‘A teenager with ambitions to join the armed forces has avoided convictions for sexually assaulting three women.’

Is nobody to be held accountable for their actions ? Surely victims need protection and it can’t all be about the guilty party’s future prospects.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122630501/teen-who-sexually-assaulted-women-on-palmerston-north-walkway-avoids-conviction
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September 3, 2020 8:29am
- Catgurl13
  
  It’s disgusting really considering all other applicants have to have a criminal record check upon applying. The good thing about that article means this cretins name is forever on the net linked to the crime anyway.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:07am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The guy sexually assaulted three women in an attempt to become a member of a gang and failed.
  Just imagine the amount of terrible crimes that’ve been committed by the thousands of gang members in this country, just to earn their patches (especially if 3 sexual assaults aren’t enough)?
  
  How can the Police pretend these aren’t bad people?
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:26am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    It’s no more complicated than the guy is Maori.
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:08am
  - oldfella
    
    Talking of justice, the courts have just given the Young Labour Summer Camp ‘groper’ permanent name suppression. So as not to hurt the poor diddums.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122640403/young-labour-camp-assaults-man-succeeds-in-bid-for-permanent-name-suppression
    Is anyone surprised? Would they have cut a young Nat the same slack. And how long will this blokes name remain unknown with social media being what it is.
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:24am
    - sooty
      
      It’s not to cut the young man some slack.
      It’s the mother and it must have cost her a fortune!
      
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      September 3, 2020 12:31pm
    - Paulus
      
      The young man’s name and family is well known but there is still a respect for the Law which includes Permanent Name Suppression despite what one may really think.
      
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      September 3, 2020 2:41pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Kowtow “ Is nobody to be held accountable for their actions ?”
  
  Yes, wait for the hate speech laws. You’ll be dragged to court for anything someone finds offensive.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:14am
oldpark

Tricata agree. Stuff better known as “the toilet paper handout”. They are the far left lunatic type of fake news promoters and are out to mirror or outdo the masters of fake news and lies . CNN . Even worse they are in bed with the Lie-bour/ Green Party only because they need some of the $50 million ill gotten handout by Commie Ardern control freak and her sycophants. Daily they support the Narcissistic Personality Disorders of Ardern and Gang .Who tell lies, the whole lies and nothing but lies to NZs Sheepel . A bloody abomination to think they are getting away with it .
Even the master of obfuscation NZs Public enemy number two Winston Peters has lost his patience with the Fake News and Lies of his once selected Government. What a bloody type of endorsement .
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September 3, 2020 8:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ – one of the worst places to be a child

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300096203/new-zealand-continues-to-fail-children-unicef-report-shows
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September 3, 2020 8:40am
- cmm
  
  Bloody colonialism. Need to knock down a few more statues. That will fix it.
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:48am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Perhaps they should put up statues of murdered children instead.
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:37pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s New Zealand when it suits , not Aotearoa.
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:01am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    ~~Aotearoa~~ New Zealand
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:52am
- Raphael
  
  the reason I moved to NZ was to give my kids a better future
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    And you will.
    
    Don’t let a small adherence to stupidity spoil your decision.
    
    Take some advice, forget the rest and just focus your energies on your own family and you will be fine. Encourage your children to do better than you and have aspirations and ambition and they will do fine.
    
    Plus, have your chequebook ready 🙂
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:17am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      What ambitions? If they are the wrong race they will have less of a chance to get into med school, however good their grades. Hard work no longer cut it.
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:27am
      - Tall Man
        
        Not less chance, just harder.
        
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        September 3, 2020 1:28pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/prime-minister-responds-child-wellbeing-report
  
  Obviously just another aspiration.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:19am
  - Batman
    
    Great news that we’re the 35th best place to raise a child in the world. There’s work to do but overall not bad!
    
    Sadly the reading comprehension of headline writers also needs work.
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:38am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    It’s all National’s fault: Ardern claims the data “ largely painting a picture of the previous Government’s underinvestment in our families,”
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:32am
- Catgurl13
  
  This article is racist crap against whites. It makes me mad because when I was a child (My family is white) we lived in poverty. We lived in HNZ housing in Panmure/GI area back in the 70s and 80s. We lived a new block of home units and the families we’re all mixed race actually there. All families were disfunctional to the extent where one or both parents were at least alcoholic (both mine were) and we all didn’t have very much. I put it down to life choices,not the race of the people. All families were given the chance to buy their unit after saving 7 years,but no one did. But there were endless parties and fights in our block of 4 every week. My parents achieved nothing and wasted their lives and put our family into poverty because of the choices they made…..not because of what race we were!!!…..I wish Maori elders would teach their people that life is what you make it and it’s about your personal choices you make as to what path you go down as an adult….when we are adults we can do what we like, if you become a loser then it’s your own fault!!….rant over now thank you.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:26am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    We were poor here too, but some better decisions: no alcoholism and eventually moved away from Auckland to buy a modest house. Patent reluctantly took a job ‘way beneath’ them to achieve that. Op shop clothes, vege garden. We got by with frugality and work and that’s how it should be.
    
    Now it’s all about ‘entitlement’ to benefits that keep people trapped.
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:39am
- SB2
  
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  MW, rubbish! I just look around my neighbourhood here in Auckland central which paints a very, very different story.
  
  Just how your Auntie Judith will fix it?
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    None of my Aunties were ever named Judith.
    
    I have no relationship with or standing with anyone in the National Party.
    
    You don’t know me or anything about me, stephieboy.
    
    Stop making up false narratives about me, my family or my politics.
    
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    September 3, 2020 2:04pm
- oldfella
  
  WF: NZ might be one of the worst places to be a child, but fortunately our kindly PTPM has reduced child poverty in Aotearoa so I think we should all move there.
  
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  September 3, 2020 12:03pm
Critical Thinker

Jacinda Ardern Says New Zealand Will Stay On Lockdown Until Scientists Discover Cure For Death

Prime Minister Ardern has released new guidelines for New Zealanders looking to reopen their businesses, saying that the country may now only begin to lift their lockdowns once a cure for death itself has been found.

“Once we have beaten the last enemy, death itself, we can slowly begin to reopen over a 40-year period,” Ardern said at the press conference on Wednesday. “DHB’s that report even one death for any reason will be forced to keep closures in place indefinitely, until we have answered the eternal question of how to reverse aging and ensure no one can die ever.”

“We can’t be too careful — we must all cower in fear until death has been conquered.”

Ardern says acceptable markers for slowly reopening would include discovering a mythical fountain of youth, inventing an immortality serum, or collecting all the Infinity stones to bend reality itself in order to end death itself.

Those people found by the government to be at risk of death will be forced into “Death Camp” facilities by enforcement officers. This measure will also apply to people they live with and their close family members. Boxcar train transport to these facilities will also be provided free of cost.

Those that decide not to be a “team member of the 5 million” in refusing to be tested for the risk of death? “Well they can’t now” according to the Prime Minister, they will be forced to stay at a Death Camp facility until they fully comply and are officially cleared from the risk of death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd2tuJMdg4c

If there happens to be any misinformed conspiracy theorists that incite protests against these necessary measures from the government, which places the team of 5 million at potential risk of death, then they will be arrested and have their devices seized.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swXk11hxB5U

Make sure to sign up to the Health Passport app today, so that you can enjoy the freedoms granted to you in the New Normal.
https://youtu.be/U88ZKJhztiM?t=50

Unite against death.
And always remember to be kind.
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September 3, 2020 8:54am
- SB2
  
  Victoria a communist police state??
  
  Here also?
  
  Absolute nonsense!
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:48am
Billy Collins

Anyone who thinks Biden is a serious presidential candidate is just nuts. Only after it showed the riots and looting were affecting his poll number, now he suddenly makes it the biggest thing he is against.

He wants to blame the rioting and looting on Trump, and says that rioters and looters need to be arrested and prosecuted. The problem: Its HIS OWN PARTY that is deliberately prosecuting them. Why is he blaming Trump? The governors and mayors don’t report to Trump. Biden is the leader of the democratic party (supposedly), the Dem governors and mayors directly report to Biden more so than they do to Trump. If anything, the rioting and looting is a a result of a failure of leadership by Biden.
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September 3, 2020 8:56am
- Billy Collins
  
  Ughh..error
  
  “…is deliberately NOT* prosecuting them.”
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:12am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Biden doesn’t have a clue what his cohorts really intend if they are elected. He is the “moderate” face that may have a chance of getting some votes, and if he somehow is elected, his cognitive problems will then be acknowledged, he will be duly sidelined and the hard-left agenda of the younger Democrats will be implemented.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:14am
I remember when

So if only 6% of Covid deaths, according to CDC, are solely the result of covid.
This explains why we have been reporting covid deaths in the wrong form. They should show a score for the level of health of those dying.
This was particularly important in the New Zealand statistics. If we had shown the additional factors rating for the deaths, it may have allowed a more considered approach to the dangers.
It also shows the reason that future pandemics could be more difficult to control. The numbers of people getting older, and those with lives extended by better healthcare, continues to increase.
Will it in future be, the additional factors that decide death rates rather than the actual disease?
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September 3, 2020 8:57am
- Honorary Kiwi
  
  In ten years time when we look back at this we will conclude with people living longer and some elements of the population being increasingly unhealthy that unlike Spanish Flu COVID 19 was fatal to two specific groups and it turned on whether we could manage that effectively with the minimum of disruption to the rest of society.
  
  1) Those over 70.
  
  2) Those with pre existing illnesses.
  
  Out of the first 50,335 deaths in the U.K.
  
  i) 91.1% had at least one existing Co Morbidity all those are offered in the UK ONS report.
  
  ii) In June Covid 19 was the third most frequent cause of death at 7.1% In May it had been 21.6% and the highest.
  
  iii) Dementia and Altzeimers was the most frequent attendent underlying cause where Covid 19 was considered the primary factor between March and June at 25.6%
  
  iii) 79% were aged 75 and over, 8% under 65 in June. I looked at the previous months and they are very similiar.
  
  My simple view is the Mortality outcomes should be shaping policy.
  
  So to your central point if people live in the epilogue age longer and longer and my point people become less and less healthy the next Pandemic will hit harder not as a consequence of its kill factor but the health of its target.
  
  I should point out 5,000 deaths in the UK have been removed from the Covid total because they had Covid more than 28 days before rather it had been a past illness which they had recovered from.
  
  Japan is interesting an ageing population where I think we can trust the stats has a 10 per million death rate. That would be worth understanding.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The average age of death from COVID-19 is 78.
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:55am
- SB2
  
  I remember when, just an excuse to let Trump and Trumpeters off the hook!
  
  Just a mentally lazy approach to the Covid Pandemic more highly infectious and dangerous than the common flu or sniffles
  
  Fact
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:49am
  - Honorary Kiwi
    
    I have now been reading the media for the last four months and reading comments and I notice that there are only two places in the world.
    
    1) New Zealand a small nation with a population less than Victoria and at the bottom of the world.
    
    2) The United States with a population of 331 Million at the heart of trade routes and movement. With huge densely populated metrapolitan areas.
    
    It just strikes me always bringing up the US and Trumps handling of C 19 and how it has been handled here is something of a mis match. I can think of about ten other countries which would be a better match for a conversation. Thats not a comment on the way it has been handled in the US it is just to my mind a curious comparison it feels like a strawman argument. I mean why not chose Iceland, Taiwan Vietnam or South Korea nations wiht supportive cohesive populations and or Islands..
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:06pm
- James Stephenson
  
  This explains why we have been reporting covid deaths in the wrong form. They should show a score for the level of health of those dying.
  
  There’s been a bit of argument about this going on, on the sciencey forums I’m on from time to time – your cause of death is Bat Flu, regardless of what pre-existing conditions you have. You know, another “shut-down” the dissenting voices job.
  
  Care to guess the reaction when I posted this:
  
  “Good to know. By this token then, if I suffer from depression and my business is struggling, and then the Government forces me to shut it, I go bankrupt and therefore commit suicide, the Government is the cause of my death.”
  
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  September 3, 2020 1:22pm
Papalazarou

An interesting article by Fran O’Sullivan in the Herald this morning, buried on page 18 (paywalled). It confirms what I had heard from a friend of one of the entrepreneurs trying to assist the government – that the reason Cindy locked down was a threat by one of their number to publish full page ads in all the major NZ papers asserting that the government was going to create a disaster if they didn’t lock down.
Cindy of course was waiting for her moment of fame on March 15.
It seems that this rather than the advice from friends in London may have prompted her to do the lockdown.
I didn’t share before now given the source but now it’s in the public domain. However it should be on the front page. Here is an extract:
“Entrepreneur Sam Morgan broke an unofficial code with his public venting over the Government’s tardiness to swiftly test and adopt the CovidCard that had been developed under his leadership.
Morgan was one of the group of high-profile entrepreneurs who privately lobbied Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson in late March to swiftly impose a lockdown to curtail the spread of Covid-19.
They were let into Ardern’s tight Cabinet tent with one proviso.
That was they should observe confidentiality. They should not embarrass the Government publicly by dissing on Cabinet Ministers (officials were not to be open season either) over their response to Covid-19. They were either ‘in the tent’ or ‘they were not in the tent’ – although the exact phrasing was not so blunt.
Others on that initial call with Ardern and Robertson included the low-profile Kiwi billionaire investor Graeme Hart of whom it is said in top-level business circles had been prepared to underwrite full-page advertisements in newspapers to make clear the Government needed to ‘go hard’; former Air New Zealand CEO and former Icebreaker executive chairman Rob Fyfe; The Warehouse founder Sir Stephen Tindall, investor Craig Heatley and Zuru founder Nick Mowbray.
They had been alarmed at the Government’s failure at that point to take decisive action. While Ardern told them that she and Robertson had already decided to move – “we’re already there” – some see that as simply face-saving.”
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September 3, 2020 8:58am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Something’s very fishy…
  
  Spinoff are proudly trumpeting that Prospect Magazine has named Cindy as #2 of the World’s 50 Top Thinkers!
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:50am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Fishy alright, they’ve jumped the Shark.
    
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    September 3, 2020 2:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yer, now I know why I don’t understand ‘Jacindaspeak’ I am too dumb to think like her
    
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    September 3, 2020 4:30pm
Fletch

Here’s a website dedicated to studies on Hydroxychloroquine. It lists studies with accompanying clickable links (84 studies, 49 peer reviewed).

https://c19study.com/

And yes, it is effective if used early. You can download it as a PDF also. https://c19study.com/c19study.pdf
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September 3, 2020 9:13am
- Fletch
  
  ps, clicking one of the images at the top of the page takes you through to ‘Early treatment with hydroxychloroquine: a country-based analysis’. Shows that The treatment group has a 77.1% lower death rate.
  
  https://hcqtrial.com/
  
  Another link (from clicking image at top) takes you through to a study that shows “COVID-19 cases are reduced by [49%, 29%, 16%] respectively when [HCQ] taken within ~[70, 94, 118] hours of exposure (including shipping delay).”
  
  https://c19study.com/boulware.html
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Aussies also recommend Ivermectin another long used anti-parasitic drug.
  https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/981220/177
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:02am
kowtow

Clap for Carers.

Great to see all those CDHB workers farewelling their boss in what amounted to a political demonstration all wearing their masks , but but but , there was easily more than 100 and social distancing wasn’t front and centre .

Where were the Boyz in Blue or the Media Pardy outrage.
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September 3, 2020 9:18am
Maggie Pie

This morning, FOX played a clip of Uncle Joe Biden doing a walk-on to his 2020 campaign theme song, Justin Timberlakes ‘Cry me a River’.

Although this image did make me think of something even more appropriate 😀

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg2sZPyXcAAxVGM?format=jpg&name=small
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September 3, 2020 9:34am
- Batman
  
  Maggie did you see the new Fox polling as well?
  
  Arizona: Biden up 49-40
  Wisconsin: Biden up 50-42
  North Carolina: Biden up 50-46
  
  Meanwhile Quinipiac has Biden up 52-42 in the National GE (standard disclaimer about national GE polls etc).
  
  Also meanwhile, Rasmussen has Biden up 49-45, a 3% shift to Biden in a week.
  
  Also also, Monmouth has Biden up 49-45 in Pennsylvania, a 9% shift to Biden over the last six weeks.
  
  So do please enjoy your chuckling now, you’ll need to savour it ?
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You a banjo player, Bats?
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:47am
    - Batman
      
      Not really a fan since watching Deliverance
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:41am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Watching, you say? Pretty sure you were in it
        
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        September 3, 2020 2:18pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘You a banjo player, Bats?’
      
      He’s probably more a fan of playing with himself
      
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      September 3, 2020 12:25pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Oh my. you’re serious?
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:30am
    - Batman
      
      Always with a pinch of salt for safety’s sake
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:42am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I thought I could hear a banjo playing!
  
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  September 3, 2020 12:09pm
skyblue

A quick reminder of Adern’s work experience I had in an email exchange 18 months ago with her office:

From: Peter #*^%!& [mailto:#*^%!&@abcdef.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2019 12:12 PM
To: J Ardern (MIN)
Subject: Conversation with Mike Hosking on 26 Feb 2019

Hello Jacinda

You commented as follows on Newstalk ZB in your PMs spot on Tuesday 26 Feb 2019 as follows:

‘Again, well again I would speak to my… you know, to my own experience. Yes, I haven’t been an owner/operator I have um… I have run a small NGO, um… I have worked in small businesses and I have been a small business spokesperson, I even worked in a small business in the UK.

This was in answer to Mike Hosking’s questioning.

1. What was the business you have claimed to run that was not an NGO?

2. What were the small businesses you worked in?

3. What was the business you were a spokesperson for?

4. What was the small business you worked in while in the UK?

I look forward to your reply.
Regards

Peter #*^%!&

From: Rt. Hon Jacinda Ardern [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2019 8:06 AM
To: ‘#*^%!&@abcdef.com’
Subject: RE: Conversation with Mike Hosking on 26 Feb 2019

Dear Mr #*^%!&

I am writing on behalf of the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern to acknowledge your recent email.

The answers to your questions are as follows:

The Prime Minister was the President of international political youth organisation IUSY.
The small businesses the Prime Minister worked at were a fish and chip shop in Morrinsville and a gift shop. She has also worked at a supermarket.
The Prime Minister was referring to the fact that in Opposition she was Labour’s spokesperson for Small Business from 2014-2017.
In the UK the Prime Minister was an assistant director in the Department for Business and Enterprise which involved working with small businesses.

Thank you for writing

Yours sincerely

Dinah Okeby

Office of the Prime Minister

Authorised by Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern MP, Parliament Buildings Wellington 6012

The experience (or lack of) is coming thru every day now with all the stuff ups and lies being told.
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September 3, 2020 9:35am
- skyblue
  
  To the downticker, does the truth and transparency from (“the most open and transparency govt ever”) hurt?
  
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  September 3, 2020 9:53am
JibberJabber

The Worlds Hardest Job…

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1301252349923557379
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September 3, 2020 9:45am
kowtow

SAFE spokeswoman commiserates over death of animals on live transport ship sinking .

Crews’ family mentioned as afterthought.
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September 3, 2020 10:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yes, I just heard that on the 10am Magic Talk news. What a complete and utter disgrace.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:08am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It’s why New Zealanders seem to turn a blind eye to domestic violence and the new boyfriend beating up SOCKs, yet will march down Queen Street with pitchforks and torches if someone drowns a puppy. Don’t get me wrong, I like puppies as much as the next man, but the perspective is not quite right.
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:50pm
WaynelSexton

I see we are still sitting at zero deaths for lockdown 2, just think we could of had 10x more deaths.
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September 3, 2020 10:05am
Rusty

Hasn’t the common flu claimed more Kiwi lives this year than coronavirus has managed?

Why doesn’t our PM and Bloomfield acknowledge this during there tv briefings?

This over reaction to another flu strain (covid-19) is not going to kill Kiwis anymore than the common cold/flu does.
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September 3, 2020 10:08am
Fletch

Pelosi defies lockdown rules and goes to a salon for a haircut without wearing a mask. Next day, blames salon for “setting her up”.. sez they “owe me an apology”?

Can’t believe the hypocrisy…
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September 3, 2020 10:15am
Maggie Pie

Who’s going to ask Chippy? 😛

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1301269003592175618
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September 3, 2020 10:19am
- RW Capitalist
  
  who said romance and spontaneity are dead?
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:24am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    ….and with anal, there’s no need for a mask 😀
    
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    September 3, 2020 10:56am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      a subtle way to ban oral sex?
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:21am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        They probably wont ban sex but they would probably like to tax it!
        
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        September 3, 2020 12:12pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Another day, another disclosure Maggie. BTW, that is not necessarily the case.
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:23am
      - sooty
        
        Should you wear a mask or a condom?
        
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        September 3, 2020 12:38pm
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      good girl I like your style Mags.
      
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      September 3, 2020 6:05pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Steffy already does…
  https://www.lastnightoffreedom.co.uk/stag-night-shop/products/black-gimp-mask/
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:13am
Jack5

Michael Reddell’s firing on all cylinders at CroakingCassandra:

Monetary policy really should have been – and should now, belatedly – used much more aggressively. It gets in all the cracks, it avoids the temptations of ministerial corruption, it works (even the RB thinks so), and it has the great merit that in committing claims over real resources the people best-placed to make decisions – individual firms and households, accountable for their choices – are making them, not politicians on a whim.”

Reddell’s also got a link to the Zoom talk by Adrian Orr at Victoria University at 12.30 today.

https://croakingcassandra.com/2020/09/02/macro-policy-pitfalls-and-options/
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September 3, 2020 10:23am
Critical Thinker

Top 10 countries that have the highest deaths with the covid flu per million:

1: Peru = 880
2: Belgium = 853
3: Spain = 624
4: UK = 611
5: Italy = 587
6: Chile = 584
7: Brazil = 582
8: Sweden = 576
9: Mexico = 505
10: France = 470

94: USA = 35 deaths FROM covid flu.
573 deaths WITH and “suspected” with covid flu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0y6M-N8wOE
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September 3, 2020 10:33am
- Brian McDonald
  
  The herders aren’t doing so well.
  
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  September 3, 2020 1:37pm
Loddenthinks

This is as shocking as it is unsurprising, sadly. Wellington City Councillor makes a cringe-inducing mea culpa and apology, and promises to go on a cultural safety course after committing the unforgivable crime of turning his back on a “waiata” which as far as I’m concerned is the name of one of the less-good Split Enz albums from the 1980s.

Everyone is so petrified of offending the scribble faces that even the simple fact of objecting to a tuneless interruption of Council business by woke leftards is seen as the equivalent of doing a poo on the Mayor’s desk.

Why on earth should someone pay any attention, or give any credence to a stone-age separatist ideology, especially when the matter in hand was voting to give themselves even more illegitimate say in Council decisions?

I don’t like using vulgar language, but sometimes you just have to tell people to get fucked.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122618424/councillor-publicly-apologises-after-turning-his-back-on-a-waiata
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September 3, 2020 10:34am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Turning your back on a waiata may be very proper. They are not all the same but Maori spirituality, the animist variety can invoke demonic spirits which you mess with at your peril.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:08am
  - Swifty
    
    Bloody hell Kev – that’s twice you’ve mentioned demonic spirits in the last two days.
    
    Is everything alright?
    
    Maybe you should slaughter a calf or something to assuage your angry god.
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:29am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I call your demonic spirit mumbo jumbo and raise you the righteous wrath of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (bless his noodly self). I have the pubes of a Taranaki virgin in my man-purse for good luck. I am untouchable! Bwahaaahahahahahahahaaaa
    
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    September 3, 2020 1:55pm
- hilaryt
  
  Quite. Remember when we thought we were edgy for remaining seated during God Save the Queen at the flicks? Then it was ditched as a matter of course. Now this bollocks.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:10am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    At my cinema if you didn’t stand up the usherettes (vicious biotches to a woman) came and shone their torches in your face and hissed “stand up!”
    
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    September 3, 2020 2:55pm
- graham
  
  Is this a case of “Brown Privilege”?
  
  Wikipedia states that “White privilege is generally agreed to refer to the implicit or systemic advantages that people who are deemed white have relative to people who are not deemed white.”
  
  Another definition: The reality that a White person’s whiteness has come — and continues to come — with an array of benefits and advantages not shared by many people of color.”
  
  If one accepts those definitions, would it not be correct to state that a move to establish iwi seats on council committees, which would mean a representative from each of Wellington’s two iwi – Te Āti Awa Taranaki Whānui and Ngāti Toa Rangatira – is appointed (note that – appointed, not elected, which is something that councillor Sean Rush was not in favour of) to all of the council’s committees and subcommittees, is introducing “Brown privilege”?
  
  Just a thought.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:33am
- Classic Liberal
  
  And what happens to women who refuse to be at the back of the room during a Maori presentation at work? I’ve known ones who get in trouble for sitting where they like or where their achievements and merit normally place them (eg policewomen).
  
  Which culture then takes priority? Misogynist tradition or enlightened equal rights on merit?
  
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  September 3, 2020 12:13pm
Catgurl13

I wonder what utter botch up embarrassing thing will be highlighted today,that this govt has done. It’s the daily fluff and botch show lol. They wheeled out the minister of pies yesterday because she’s good at speaking so fast no one can get a word in……
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September 3, 2020 10:37am
- alloytoo
  
  it’s true
  
  Minister Woods lies, obfuscate and generally misleads far faster than most.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:34am
  - sooty
    
    I presume Megan will be doing the 1pm election speech as Cindy will be out and about pressing the flesh and frightening babies!
    
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    September 3, 2020 12:42pm
Captain Mainwaring

This is a disgraceful decision.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122640403/young-labour-camp-assaults-man-succeeds-in-bid-for-permanent-name-suppression

The perpetrator is obviously very close to someone in the Labour Party and we are not allowed to know who.
And we don’t have corruption in New Zealand !
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September 3, 2020 10:43am
- hullkiwi
  
  Just read the same article. Captain, I agree with you, this decision is a disgrace and sets a bad precedent. Effectively, it will now be possible to have name suppression in all cases.
  
  How does that serve the victims or the community?
  
  He and his lawyer claim he has has suffered mental anguish and extreme economic hardship? How when we “technecially” don’t even know who this individual is and nor would 99% of NZ?
  
  This decision makes a mockery of the NZ justice system, and says you well protected, if you are well connected, even if you admit your guilt.
  
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  September 3, 2020 10:56am
- burt
  
  So if someone was to name him (after joining the Labour Party) would the charges for doing so be dropped and that person get name suppression?
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:08am
- Nostradamus
  
  From the article:
  
  During a trial in 2019, the man faced five counts of indecent assault against four complainants at the 2018 summer camp, which he denied. The man later pleaded guilty to two amended charges of assault under the Summary Offences Act 1981 halfway through the trial.
  
  I never understood the basis for denying “indecent assault” but pleading guilty to “assault” when, as I recall, the allegations were of a sexual nature.
  
  Justice Whata said the man’s offending was “plainly an aberration”. He was a “fine young man fully deserving of a career in his chosen profession”, he said.
  
  So impeccable character references then – hopefully none from any Labour MPs!
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:08am
  - burt
    
    It’s good news for all young people.
    
    Have a few beers and start groping men and woman indiscriminately in bars.
    
    This case precedent means this kind of sexual assault is now of no consequence.
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:11am
    - sooty
      
      As long as you a labour party membership card!
      
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      September 3, 2020 12:44pm
      - burt
        
        Anyone who commits any crime in NZ should either say they want to play rugby professionally, are an entertainer or become a member of the Labour Party.
        
        The perfect combination of all three would probably get you off any charge and get you name suppression irrespective of what you did.
        
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        September 3, 2020 5:44pm
      - Sacha
        
        If I were employing any young men I would be asking them if they had ever attended a labour Youth Camp – or were related to any Labour MP.
        Maybe signed statement as well -even if they said no, and I hired them.
        
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        September 3, 2020 7:08pm
- Happychappy
  
  So again the Labour Party seem to prosper from another Judges discretion in another case of sexual assault that happens to often in the Labour Party.
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122640403/young-labour-camp-assaults-man-succeeds-in-bid-for-permanent-name-suppression
  So the the sexual deviate and perpetrator gets a better outcome than the victim all because he is called names which he deserves on social media, while the victims have to live with it for the rest of their live, what a disgrace our Justice System is.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:09am
- burt
  
  All animals are equal, just some are more equal than others.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:13am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  [Mod: deleted. Play that game again and you’ll get a holiday.]
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:57am
Paulus

I see today that the Labour Party young male pervert has been granted permanent name suppression.
I wonder why and whether any political pressure has been exerted on the judge.
Of course not – had he been my son he would have been jailed as well as being named.
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September 3, 2020 10:45am
- greybeard
  
  At age 20 he should be taking responsibility for his actions, and that includes any future impact his behaviour may cause, on himself and others.
  This name suppression business is ripe for an overhaul: any political party which promises to do so will get my vote.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:36am
  - sooty
    
    Wonder when he will get to travel to England for a job there with Dazza!
    
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    September 3, 2020 12:46pm
Swifty

Donna Miles-Mojab reckons we should all believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden because it will help us to live better lives:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/122639061/is-it-time-to-change-our-attitude-to-faith

I’ll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4FDLegX9s
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September 3, 2020 10:52am
- Garbageman
  
  From memory she was a regular writer for The Daily Blog very much your typical useless bludging activist but throw a bit of lippy on an activist pig and wallah you have your latest unbiased opinion columnist, people like her fit in well with the broke assed bludgers at Stuff
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:25pm
I remember when

QT 1st July:
Ian McKelvie to Stuart Nash, “How many Hector’s & Maui Dolphin will new threat management plan save annually?”
SN: “Average estimate 40 Hectors annually and 1 Maui every 21 years.”
“Based on our Upper Estimates it will save 69 Hectors annually and 1 Maui every ten years.”
IM: “Is minister aware of any Maui death from fishing practices in last 10 years?”
SN “No!”
IM: “Does he agree we see little or no evidence of increase in Maui Dolphin population, despite there being only one recorded death from fishing practices?”
SN: “Only 63 alive at the moment!”
So there appears to be no, or at best perceived, reasons for changes to the existing Maui Threat Management Plan.
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September 3, 2020 10:57am
SB2

For those who try to minimise the harm Covid 19 can do.

Think again,

How scientists know COVID-19 is way deadlier than the flu

After months of study, scientists have better clarity on the coronavirus’s lethal potential—which makes recent case surges all the more alarming.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/07/coronavirus-deadlier-than-many-believed-infection-fatality-rate-cvd/

SARS-CoV-2: a novel deadly virus in a globalised world,

https://www.nzma.org.nz/journal-articles/sars-cov-2-a-novel-deadly-virus-in-a-globalised-world
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September 3, 2020 10:59am
- Critical Thinker
  
  With the stunning information just released by the CDC about the COVID death count, you might be wondering what to do. Should you be living with more fear or should you be living with a lot more fear? Well in this video, your trusted health authority will be telling you exactly what to think and feel:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0y6M-N8wOE
  ?
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:12am
  - Batman
    
    Selectively using death certificates to prove a political point just makes you a massive idiot, or a massive dickhead.
    
    Which one would you like to be?
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:23am
    - Critical Thinker
      
      That’s not very nice Batman. I’m surprised that your uncivil post got past the Mods ?
      
      I just posted an obviously non-sarcastic video stating that we should all be panicking far FAR more from the covid flu plandemic than we currently are.
      
      And that we should also ignore the overwhelming evidence showing that the covid flu is no way near as bad as it has been made out to be by many of those people in power, whom are benefiting immensely financially and politically from the covid flu panic.
      
      Namaste ?
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:44am
      - Batman
        
        You’ll understand that I’m always reluctant to watch dross from YouTube.
        
        Please provide some proof of the theory that everyone in power is also a pharma shareholder.
        
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        September 3, 2020 12:07pm
      - Critical Thinker
        
        @Batman
        
        No I won’t do that as I just stated that we need to ignore all of these inconvenient facts, in order to keep these police state lockdowns going for all perpetuity ?
        
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        September 3, 2020 12:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So why were you accusing of me of being hysterical when I referred to the serious nature of the developing pandemic in January-February?
  
  Why did you mock the brains of one of the World’s leading virologists when he told of the impending pandemic?
  
  Did your weeks of time-out from KB lead to a change in your viewpoint?
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:20am
  - Swifty
    
    You’ll never get an honest answer out of him.
    
    Or an admission of error.
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:24am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy is correct.
    
    For example: 10 March 2020:
    
    Maggy Wassilieff: Corona virus spreading in Sydney.
    
    SB 2: MW, a bit of a doomsday clock syndrome? 50 seconds to go?
    
    I recall SB 2 saying something along the lines of “storm in a teacup” around that time too.
    
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    September 3, 2020 11:34am
    - Swifty
      
      I remember that too.
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:52am
    - RJ
      
      Yeah the troll attacked everyone over covid, that it was fear mongering, kiwiblog people were causing fear, didn’t know what they were talking about, etc etc. Its obvious from all the crap he posts he knows nothing about anything. He is this site’s worst troll.
      
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      September 3, 2020 11:57am
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    Who knows Maggy, maybe the troll will soon post about how Cindy caused he latest lock down in Auckland because of her government incompetence and inability to do the testing at the boarders they promised or even run isolation hotels where infected people are being mingled with people about to finish their 14 days. Must be in a different jail now where they limited what he can view
    
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    September 3, 2020 12:39pm
- RJ
  
  Gee stephieboy you have zero credibility. Attacking people who posted vivid articles, calling them fear mongering. Saying covid was just a flu. I think you should stay away from anything vivid related because you have no credibility and show you just troll to get a reaction.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:46am
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    Show he/she/it some kindness – they’re in a state of outrage that soy has been proven to be bad for the environment…
    
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    September 3, 2020 12:14pm
CJames

A surprisingly unbiased article about Judith Collins. The author was not a NZ journalist.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/meet-judith-collins-the-woman-determined-to-defeat-jacinda-ardern-20200902-p55rqp.html
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September 3, 2020 11:02am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “The author was not a NZ journalist.”
  
  Of course not. Which NZ journalist would do an unbiased article about Judith Collins?
  
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  September 3, 2020 1:42pm
The Housekeeper

It doesn’t look like we will be allowed to read Brenton Tarrant’s manifesto anytime soon.

“Foreign affairs officials have twice successfully urged other countries to halt the distribution of the March 15 terrorist’s manifesto.”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122627897/new-zealand-twice-halts-publication-of-christchurch-mosque-shooters–manifesto-in-ukraine-and-italy

FFS, 51 people were murdered in my city and I would like to know why.
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September 3, 2020 11:15am
- burt
  
  You are only allowed to know what you are selectively told. Reading his manifesto would give you insight into his actual motivations rather then the motivations you are allowed to know about.
  
  It’s for your own good Comrade.
  
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  September 3, 2020 11:45am
  - sooty
    
    If you were meant to know it would be on the electioneering at 1pm.
    
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    September 3, 2020 12:50pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  People are to be charged with terrorism for supporting Tarrant and his ‘white nationalism’. But how TF is one supposed to know what he really supported when one can’t read his manifesto? I’ve read here something about him being an environmentalist extremist. Who really knows though? If he was just a loony, what exactly is it now terrorism to support?
  
  These are times full of offended woke SJW extremists. Look at the Wellington City Councillor dragged over the coals for turning his back on a waiata! Will he be charged with terrorism next?
  
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  September 3, 2020 1:53pm
Spam

How much research has their been on causes of youth suicide in New Zealand? It is clearly a national disgrace, and I’m sure that everyone will agree that we need to “do more”.

However, I am concerned to read articles like this one:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300096203/new-zealand-continues-to-fail-children-unicef-report-shows

The article spends about 80% of the words talking about causes being “inequality”, “Colonialism” and “Obesity”. It is not until we get to the bottom of the article that we learn that the tragic death introduced in the opening paragraph may have been related to bullying.

I’m trying to be sensitive about this. As a parent of a couple of young girls, I am worried about things like bullying; they’ve both experienced low-level bullying already (in their first couple of years of primary school). We try to teach resilience, and encourage our girls to “ignore the bullies”. I support school programs on being good internet citizens.

Does anyone know of any (credible) research into child and youth suicide? If it really is inequality, then I’ll slink off into the corner. If it is actually more likely things like bullying, then can’t we have a more “adult” conversation, and focus on that rather than trying push the barrow that inequality is the root of all evil?

(and yes, I get that things are inter-twined. Does inequality cause bullying? Hmm.)
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September 3, 2020 11:28am
- alloytoo
  
  That’s an interesting question.
  
  Based on our experience parents who are pricks have kids who are Bullies (who would have thunk it)
  
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  September 3, 2020 3:26pm
oldfella

The Charlie Hebdo killers are finally about to go on trial. What does the magazine do? Courageously republishes the ‘offensive’ images that sparked the slaughter of their staff.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/02/people-must-have-the-right-to-mock-muhammad/
As the article says: “Charlie Hebdo is right to continue insisting that freedom of speech, including the right to offend, is something really worth fighting for. Whether this freedom is being undermined by armed gunmen, government censorship or woke mobs, we all suffer when the liberty to express ourselves is betrayed. So let’s say it again: Je suis Charlie.”
Don’t tell Angry Andrew. He’s got legislation in the pipeline that will crush any ‘free speech’ nonsense in this country.
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September 3, 2020 12:25pm
oldfella

Follow up point re Charlie Hebdo? Was this blog around when the massacre took place? Did it publish the offending images? Will it republish them now?Just wondering…
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September 3, 2020 12:45pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  Yes. DPF believes in free speech in most cases ??
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/01/the_cartoons_that_12_were_killed_for.html
  
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  September 3, 2020 1:48pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  It would have a different feeling in NZ though, wouldn’t it. Less relevant and quite unfair. A good cartoon has to tell the truth.
  (I mean republishing now. Back then it was absolutely valid.)
  
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  September 3, 2020 1:57pm
- kowtow
  
  The ODT ran a huge headline back then ….
  
  Je Suis .
  
  But didn’t publish the cartoons .
  
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  September 3, 2020 4:53pm
wimpston peeeders

cindys shot down the unicef report because it used old data…
dosent new data show the situations even worse? Way to spin it cindy.
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September 3, 2020 12:46pm
Swifty

Especially for English KBers and in case they’re having trouble sleeping at night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxHa5KaMBcM

🙂

“Imagine listening to this whilst on a boat in the North Sea or North Atlantic, a little bunk bed, tucked up, rain and spray battering the porthole windows. A small hurricane lamp above you swinging casting shadows about the cabin….”
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September 3, 2020 1:16pm
Loddenthinks

I see the vile hypocrite Donna Miles-Mojab is spreading lies and disinformation again – https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/122639061/is-it-time-to-change-our-attitude-to-faith

A few examples of her lies and half-truths:

“Not long after the mosque shootings, a Kiwi acquaintance, knowing I come from Muslim-majority Iran, asked me worriedly if I thought there would be a reprisal attack from the Muslim community.”

Iran is not a “Muslim-majority” country, it is in fact an Islamic Republic and has been since 1979. The clue is in the official name “The Islamic Republic of Iran”.

“Of course, I immediately recognised the baked-in prejudice that assumed Muslims were inherently violent and incapable of reacting rationally to their grief.”

The baked-in prejudice is yours, Donna, and the question was as legitimate as it was prophetic. Ask the families and loved ones of those killed just over a month later in the Sri Lankan attacks on Christian churches, at Easter, that were officially stated by the Sri Lankan government as being retribution for the Christchurch mosque attacks.

“Would the same concerns have been raised if the victims were white Christians? I seriously doubt it.”

Here’s where we agree Donna, though not for the reasons you might think. Of course there would be no concerns, because it’s been a few centuries since Christians went to war against the Muslims, and the Bible teaches tolerance and forgiveness, unlike the Koran which requires death to infidels, apostates, homosexuals and those who would attack Islam.

She then doubles down on her baked-in prejudice by asking “How else could Muslim and Christian Palestinians cope with the killing of their children, theft of their land, and the misery of life under occupation?”

All that is required for peace in the Middle East Donna, is for your fellow travelers to stop trying to eradicate Israel and Jews from the face of the earth, as is their often-stated goal.
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September 3, 2020 1:45pm
- Swifty
  
  Nice one.
  
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  September 3, 2020 1:56pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Charlie Hebdo – they posted cartoons and were murdered for it. Donna is a liar.
  We rightly aren’t worried about most Muslims. It’s just that tiny minority and they are a very real risk.
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:44pm
I remember when

The Spinoff – Toby Manhire:
Ardern second on list of the world’s top thinkers.
Would have been 1st if it had been list of the world’s top spinners!
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September 3, 2020 1:55pm
- RJ
  
  She has to constantly think about what she just said because she lies so much
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda could not think out a recipe to boil an egg or make hot water soup
  
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  September 3, 2020 4:50pm
Peter Lane

From the Herald:

“New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has been named in second spot in a list of the world’s top 50 “thinkers” of 2020.”

WTF?
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September 3, 2020 2:12pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Really, the woman who doesn’t know what GDP or governance is?
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:30pm
- Swifty
  
  It’s totally meaningless, and should just be ignored.
  
  I mean for a start her speeches are written for her and her and her government’s positions, policies and decisions are made by committee – not her alone.
  
  It is purely a piece by Prospect to draw readers, and as if they’re any authority.
  
  If it was the ‘Top 50 speech-readers’ of ‘Top 50 governmental frontpeople’ or ‘Top 50 reactors to COVID’ then Maybe I could agree – but she, alone, hasn’t thought her way through anything. Well, no more than many other New Zealanders.
  
  If anything she’s dragged the chain.
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:44pm
- alloytoo
  
  “Ditto” WTF?
  
  I took the time to contact them and ask them what they were smoking.
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:46pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yes when I saw that I felt a little bit sick.
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:55pm
  - Ceepar
    
    When I saw that I felt a little incredulous.
    
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    September 3, 2020 5:03pm
- graham
  
  Yeah, but when you dig a bit deeper …
  
  This is from “Prospect Magazine”, and the candidates were chosen by the magazine’s editorial team (I haven’t the time to listen to the podcast explaining how they decided on the candidates), then put to the vote.
  
  I have no idea who the readers (and, presumably, the people who voted on this list) of Prospect are, but when you read through the top ten you might start to get some clues about Prospect’s leanings, and those of their readers.
  
  – Marina Tabassum, an architect who designs houses on stilts to keep families safe from rising waters. So she gets the climate change seal of approval.
  
  – African-American philosopher Cornel West, who has “commanded global attention for his powerful commentary on the Black Lives Matter movement”.
  
  – Olivette Otele, professor of the history of slavery at Bristol University. Currently undertaking a two-year research project to examine Bristol’s connection to the transatlantic slave trade. It is anticipated her study will become “a landmark in the way Britain examines, acknowledges and teaches the history of enslavement.”
  
  – Philippe Van Parijs, who they describe as “godfather of the UBI movement”. And further: “Today’s young UBI enthusiasts draw on the books and tap the networks of this Belgian polymath, who championed it before it was fashionable. For decades, he has warned that our proclaimed freedoms to start businesses or raise children count for nothing without the real freedom that comes with a basic income”.
  
  – Prison abolitionist Ruth Wilson Gilmore. “Could we live in a world without prisons? For lifelong abolitionist Ruth Wilson Gilmore the answer is an emphatic yes. A seasoned campaigner against the “prison-industrial complex,” who now works in academia, Gilmore has spent the best part of 30 years developing the field of carceral geography: the study of the interrelationships across space, institutions and political economy that shape and define modern incarceration. She’s helped shift the conversation about responses to crime from one of punishment to rehabilitation. As the failings of the US justice system come once again to the fore, Gilmore’s radical ideas have never felt more relevant.”
  
  – Mark Post, who says his goal “is to replace the entirety of livestock production with cultured meat.”
  
  Oh, and they also hate Trump, stating “While it also includes a good mix of liberal, socialist and conservative voices, I can anticipate one objection in the absence of any thinker who can truly be said to have emerged from within the global populist insurgency associated with Donald Trump. We have thought long and hard about this. We have run and will continue to run pieces by nostalgic writers who reject globalisation. We make space for serious minds who rage about all the communities it has left behind (see Paul Collier). But as the Trumpian project becomes ever-more nakedly anti-intellectual and anti-reason, we struggle to regard even intelligent individuals who choose to defend it as serious thinkers. Some readers may take a different view, and see more substance in “nativism.” But for me, Steve Bannon and his like are cynics; the value of ideas for them is purely instrumental, for use in power play. “
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:56pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Covid 19 coronavirus: Jacinda Ardern voted second in world’s top 50 thinkers
  
  British magazine Prospect ranked some of the world’s top leaders, conducting a list of those who were forward thinkers, had practical minds and were hands-on in what is being described as the Covid-age.
  …
  The second spot, earned in a similar way, went to Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand’s prime minister, whose governing ‘ethos of kindness’ was drawing interest as a refreshing (if hazy) alternative to neo-liberalism even before it showed practical results in keeping a lid on the crisis.”
  
  I’m sure Redbaiter, if he were here, would say that “neoliberalism” is a leftist concept.
  
  By bringing her baby to the UN General Assembly she grabbed the world’s attention, but over three years in office Ardern has proved to be more than a media favourite. Her ‘ethos of kindness’ sounded a vague way to transcend neoliberalism, but she’s steadily shown what it means in fields from child welfare to the environment.
  
  The writer seems to be obsessed with neoliberalism.
  
  I’ve never heard of this Prospect magazine, but based on this nonsense, I won’t be taking out a subscription anytime soon!
  
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  September 3, 2020 2:57pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    As she is so high on the top thinkers list, she should have no problem debating live on TV with Judith who is probably not even in the top 50.
    
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    September 3, 2020 3:03pm
  - dad4justice
    
    “I’m sure Redbaiter, if he were here, would say that “neoliberalism” is a leftist concept.”
    Indeed he would Nostra.
    
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    September 3, 2020 6:08pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  And who the #$@% came first???????
  
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  September 3, 2020 3:07pm
- cmm
  
  #CinD4UN!
  
  Can’t stop it baby!
  
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  September 3, 2020 4:14pm
igm

What the hell are we doing exporting this number of in-calf cows to China. In fact, what has O’Connor got to say, he being highly critical of NZ exporting ewes (not in-lamb) to ME, where they were treated a lot better?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/122649647/two-new-zealanders-onboard-ship-missing-in-japanese-region-hit-by-typhoon
Like all Labourites, he is only interested in leeches, liars, and losers . . . creating problems for farmers when they appease Labour/Green vile and disgusting supporters.
Wake up Coasters, this Min of Ag is not worth a blurt, in any sphere of politics.
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September 3, 2020 2:27pm
Jack5

Surprising that the animal-rights activists haven’t been kicking up about live cattle exports from New Zealand.

Two New Zealanders and 5800 NZ cows are aboard a ship missing after a typhoon in the East China Sea.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018762401/two-nzers-on-board-missing-livestock-carrier
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September 3, 2020 2:37pm
- igm
  
  No, they are only active when National are in power . . . they are more hypocritical than Winnie.
  
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  September 4, 2020 12:44am
alloytoo

About a year ago I unsubscribed to any email notifications from the NZ Herald.

Today I received a promotional email inviting me to pay for their special education report.

I can only conclude that they ignored my wishes and changed my subscription preferences.

Any body else experience something like this?
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September 3, 2020 2:37pm
mikenmildagain

I see the bullshitter-in-chief has recommended that Americans voting by mail go to the polling place vote in person as well. Which would be a crime – an actual instance of voter fraud rather than what is imagined by his more fevered supporters.
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September 3, 2020 2:45pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Proof? Actual recording of him saying that? Msm lie about him constantly.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:00am
lifesgood

Good to see the BBC has reversed its decision to ban the singing of Land of Hope and Glory at the Last Night of the Proms. They buckled to an enormous backlash. Good job…the public have spoken. About time these woke morons got their comeuppance. Actually the BBC has a new director and he sounds like a good man. He has said that too many of the Beeb’s comedy shows are left wing. Hope this means the tide is turning. As a matter of interest I read the complete lyrics of Land of Hope and Glory today. it is patriotic, yes and rightly so, but there is nothing whatsoever you could take offence to, although the woke obviously found something. Apparently being patriotic is a terrible thing these days.
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September 3, 2020 3:18pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  “ Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set
  God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet”
  
  I’m sure plenty of woke will see that as evil colonialism and warfare.
  
  But it’s just a song with beautiful music, and if we’re to ban every unwoke song, opera, play, film etc we’d have very little left.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:16am
Inandout

Bill Barr, a man after my own heart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ooH-IQR-o&feature=youtu.be
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September 3, 2020 3:34pm
Groggy

nationals new announcement on payments for parents: “The $3000 payment scheme would not provide parents cash, but a portion of funding administered by the government that parents could choose to allocate on specified services.” this will be an administrative nightmare for parents and suppliers. Not helpful for reducing beuracracy or reducing the size of Govt. It would be far more cost effective to just give them the cash.
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September 3, 2020 3:53pm
- alloytoo
  
  Why, just give them a pressie card that can only work with certain suppliers.
  
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  September 4, 2020 7:40am
I remember when

Whoa there folks. Don’t panic. No need to flee back to the greens.
Breaking News: “Health Minister, Chris Hipkins, not making covid-19 or any other vaccinations complulsory!”
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September 3, 2020 4:17pm
cmm

Ok a few days ago PriNZess told us we must only listen to ministers to ensure we get the best possible picture of what’s going on.

Yesterday Hipkins said AUckland would be going to L1 soon.

Today PriNZess is saying “Don’t want to get ahead of ourselves”.

So WTF???

If Auckland has come off L3 to L2.5, then there is really no way the rest of NZ should have ever been on L2 (let alone now).

I suppose that if only Auckland was on Level 2.5 or 3 and the rest of NZ was on L1 (or nothing) then I supposed Aucklanders would have said it was unfair and they would have had far less compliance (as well as lost a whole lot of political support).

So the rest of us just got L2 so that Labour can keep its votes.

Talk about Professional Arseholes. This mob really know how to do it.
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September 3, 2020 4:20pm
- Wired-one
  
  This is a “tricky virus” remember…
  
  Surely you wouldve realized by now that Ardern and co have been making it up as they go. It is only by share luck that we have had so few cases in general. Certainly not by good management.
  
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  September 3, 2020 4:39pm
- RJ
  
  This government lives in the upside down world, it is truth to them in the upside down world, not in reality. They are saying what they need to say to try and get votes back. Labour are screwed.
  
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  September 3, 2020 4:51pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  PriNZess told us we must only listen to ministers
  
  I think I can help here…..
  
  Was Minister Hipkins speaking from the PODIUM?
  
  I’m sure I heard the PM say we are only to believe the information delivered from the PODIUM.
  
  She said the information seen in the ads and the post was not made on the podium from a Government Minister.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12360355
  
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  September 3, 2020 4:53pm
  - cmm
    
    And she was on a podium when she said it so we have to believe her.
    
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    September 3, 2020 4:57pm
  - burt
    
    Your memory is faulty comrade, the sign always said “no animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets”
    
    Four legs good.
    
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    September 3, 2020 5:49pm
    - sooty
      
      But was it at 1pm?
      
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      September 3, 2020 7:11pm
cmm

Sometimes I really know when my tax dollars are well spent.

“We know there is a strong correlation between cold weather and snow” : Genius at NIWA
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September 3, 2020 4:25pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300098519/father-kills-6monthold-son-paralyses-toddler-by-causing-crash-while-high-on-p
This piece of shit should be shot.
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September 3, 2020 4:43pm
- RJ
  
  Do you ever post articles about the crimes white peoples commit or are you just interested in continuing your racist views of the non whites committing crimes.
  
  And no he shouldn’t be shot, he has a life time of hell to life now knowing his actions killed his child.
  
  I wonder what you next racist article rant will be, let’s see you wrongly claim that only white people have their name and photo printed when committing a crime, now you just post none white people committing crimes, your racism is very obvious.
  
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  September 3, 2020 4:48pm
- cmm
  
  Terrible what an alcoholic parent makes you do.
  
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  September 3, 2020 4:59pm
- GoVege
  
  What a terrible tragedy.
  Unfortunately shooting this guy wont bring back the dead baby boy or save the young girl from a life of paralysis.
  It would be cheaper to provide free train travel and bus rides for the hundreds of dangerous/unlicensed/drunk/you name it drivers who should never be permitted behind the wheel of a vehicle.
  
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  September 3, 2020 7:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour RORTING the taxpayer

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300098040/taxpayer-foots-bill-for-labour-electorate-funds-in-decadesold-subletting-arrangement
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September 3, 2020 5:04pm
- Nostradamus
  
  “It’s within the rules.”
  “The rules are confusing.”
  “We’ll set up an inquiry.”
  
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  September 3, 2020 5:08pm
  - Prince
    
    Tricky tricky tricky but ‘they all do it’.
    Oh for a Party to pledge a real cleanout of these corrupt practices, and go ahead and do it.
    Drain the swamp.
    
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    September 3, 2020 6:50pm
  - niggly
    
    “It’s a matter for the Pardy not me”!
    “I refute that it’s a Labour rort”!
    “Ah um what is subletting”?
    
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    September 3, 2020 8:40pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  This has been going on for decades. MPs from all parties have even had parliamentary services rent offices for them in buildings the MPs owned.
  
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  September 3, 2020 7:54pm
Nookin

If the union has conceded 75% of market rental then this should count as a donation to the Labour Party. On the other hand, if the actual market rental is $1500, which is what the union is getting, then labour is definitely rorting the system by charging four times market rental to the taxpayer.
It might be well within the rules but not all of the rules. Cindy needs to be questioned about the morality of her party.
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September 3, 2020 5:12pm
- niggly
  
  When Bill English (and the Greens) did something similar many years ago, it was also within the rules.
  
  But of course the “activist left” went crazy over that matter (and still do, even on KB)!
  
  Bill English re-paid the money (as being the “right thing to do”). Will Labour or Ginny Anderson do the same? ~~Yeah~~ Nah!
  
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  September 3, 2020 8:58pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Interestingly, this seems to have been happening for most of the time that Trevor Mallard was the MP for Hutt South, and latterly a List MP after he ceded the electorate to Chris Bishop in 2017, because he couldn’t contemplate being beaten.
    
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    September 3, 2020 9:36pm
Jimmy White

I had six weeks off school (August 1967) with Measles, just about died, but I still passed School Certificate. But now we give kid’s a pass because they had to sit at home and play Playstation for six weeks.
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September 3, 2020 5:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

MAGA, song. I will not tell you what it is about coz that is unfair to surprise, (moderators get first choice, and they need to start behaving) Kiwiblog is being grounded quite a bit, the moderators have gone VERY PC. Must be interference from the fraser house of Jaspinda
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September 3, 2020 5:49pm
GoVege

At last the government has stopped (temporarily) the export of live animals.
Only because a boat has gone down carrying 5 to 6 thousand cows and 43 humans.
Is it that common for boats to go down in typhoons….or is it something about the nature of these ships?
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September 3, 2020 7:30pm
- niggly
  
  Has it been reported whether the ship’s Captain tried to avoid the typhoon?
  
  https://www.stormgeo.com/solutions/shipping/ship-routing/articles/the-effects-of-tropical-cyclones-on-shipping/
  
  https://ukchamberofshipping.com/latest/how-do-ships-avoid-hurricanes/
  
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/gcaptain/2012/10/29/how-do-large-ships-deal-with-massive-hurricanes/#2991bfe613f2
  
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