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Souvlaki

Ardern & Hipkins, missing in action is wrt accelerating the Covid vaccine role out is criminally negligent.
When will the 4th estate get off their arses & demand answers?😡
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January 12, 2021 8:05am
- namron
  
  Is she going to return married?
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:04am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I think you’re confusing us with people who care an iota.
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:01pm
- redflagged
  
  But Chris Hipkins said “New Zealand will be at the front of the queue”.
  
  Surely he and Labour weren’t saying one thing, then not delivering on that promise/policy/plan/vision/change.
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:56am
  - sooty
    
    If it’s going to take so long for nz to get their doses, we did not go early or hard! As usual labour fluffed around so we are down the back of the queue, behind everybody else!
    Do you think Karen in London has got a batch of doses sorted out for the first family?
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:41pm
  - fisho
    
    Hipkins was misquoted. What he said was “New Zealand will be ahead of the Q’s”.
    The silly twat thinks rollout is alphabetical.
    
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    January 12, 2021 5:32pm
- curry4me
  
  Souvlaki: On the 12th of never. There are $75 million reasons why.
  
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  January 12, 2021 1:26pm
- igm
  
  Fourth State cannot afford to upset her, she is their lifeblood these days, at the expense of already overburdened taxpayers.
  It is quite amusing to do a percentage analysis of ad/print (cannot refer to as news), they cannot be anywhere near a financially acceptable level.
  If she ceases funding these bludgers they will surely close . . . what a shame!
  
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  January 12, 2021 3:00pm
Maggie Pie

Jacinda due back from holiday March 15.

https://twitter.com/hightoweralert/status/1348700983002480644
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January 12, 2021 8:05am
- pdm
  
  David Seymour did 20 minutes approx on NewstalkZB yesterday – at 8am
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:10am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    And Judith Collins was on Newstalk this morning after the 7am news, talking about the unacceptable delay in getting vaccines for front-line staff.
    
    They’re gladly filling the vacuum the Government has left whilst Ministers holiday.
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:24am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Given Jacinda’s ultra high prominence & ranking in international political matters, I’m disappointed that we haven’t heard anything particularly insightful from her regarding the Capitol affair.
      
      Nothing that would reinforce the world media’s adoring perspective of her anyway…
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:35am
      - pdm
        
        The chance of her saying anything insightful on anything is pretty remote.
        
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        January 12, 2021 12:29pm
      - crikey
        
        Not sure the world’s media does have ‘an adoring perspective’. Some Aussie commentators are particularly scathing of her, and comments in other international publications are written by NZ sycophants.
        
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        January 12, 2021 1:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Hey, she’s been busy doing pics with the plebs here in Gizzy.
        
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        January 12, 2021 6:01pm
      - david
        
        It would appear that the policy is “ignore it and by the time I am back in the big chair it will have all gone away”
        The squirrel breeding programme has been operating at full noise over the break and there is a plentiful supply of distractions tucked away ready for use.
        Let’s face it, the hot issues that were released to the public 5 minutes before stumps were pulled before Christmas have faded into insignificance already in the minds of the vast proportion of people.
        We are being played by experts, and the soothing words “this will be a Government for all New Zealanders” ring as hollow now as they did when uttered.
        We got the Government they voted for!
        
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        January 13, 2021 12:06pm
    - Mark
      
      Oh please please please let Judith on as much as possible ,every time she loses you votes ..Eight and a half more years ,ye hah.
      
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      January 12, 2021 3:27pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Nobody listens to anything Judith Collins says. Move on Tony bro.
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:33pm
- hullkiwi
  
  She has got to get her anniversary party she didn’t get last year, somehow?
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:30am
- Sacha
  
  Anniversary Day.
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:32am
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
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  nz realist
  @Reality2809
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  Replying to
  @hightoweralert
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  @JudithCollinsMP
  Has she found and sacked the leaker…or do the Nats accept treason within their ranks now..with the potential to cost an election win🙄
  
  https://twitter.com/hightoweralert/status/1348700983002480644
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:58am
  - Bevan
    
    Do you ever have anything of value to add?
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:01am
  - Liberty
    
    Has your Dear Leader sacked the odious Speaker yet?
    Of course not, she just doesn’t have the balls.
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:11pm
    - sooty
      
      Where is the speaker?
      Off where ever he can get free stuff!
      
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      January 12, 2021 12:42pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        And then sell it on TradeMe at a massive mark-up.
        
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        January 12, 2021 2:02pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Dang, that’s a lot of time off.
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:54am
  - sooty
    
    So is she missing a trip to ratana and cooking bacon at the pa on maori day!
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    More than schoolteachers?
    
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    January 12, 2021 5:13pm
Happychappy

The next six months are make or break for Labour Pattrick Smellie tells the Spinoff, but will NZer’s take the same view and are they prepared for all the extra costs this will bring.
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January 12, 2021 8:10am
- Happychappy
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/12-01-2021/the-next-six-months-are-make-or-break-for-labour/
  Sorry this was supposed to be attached to my previous post.
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:44am
  - Jack5
    
    In that Spinoff article, Pattrick says only two things can beat the housing crisis, ” and one of them is not a capital gains tax.”
    
    He reckons on building a “lot more” affordable houses, together with a parcel of:
    
    – Rent control;
    – Higher borrowing thresholds for investors;
    – Tough enforcement of minimum housing standards;
    – Tighter regulation of property managers; and
    – Improved renter rights.
    
    An efficient capital gains tax, as applied in most developed countries, would be far simpler. Nothing wrong with a capital gains tax provided other taxes are adjusted to keep total taxes in check.
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:14am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Ludicrous. There is no such thing as an efficient capital gains tax and nowhere has such a tax controlled house prices.
      
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      January 12, 2021 12:23pm
      - Okahu
        
        Perhaps, perhaps not. But it just might encourage investment into sectors of the economy that don’t add to the hardship experienced by the less well off. And perhaps those sectors now better financed might improve productivity and employment and yield more income to their owners, workers and society. Ooops. Silly me. This is kiwi blog where for most the ‘right’ to untaxed capital gain and a blind eye to the hardship of the poor is sacred.
        
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        January 12, 2021 12:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        Of “efficient” taxes, Alan W., it would be hard to beat death duties, also called estate duties. These are the ultimate capital gains tax.
        
        Not that I think we should have them, nor that I think they are fair, especially on family businesses.
        
        They are, however, “efficient” from the State’s point of view: easy to collect, difficult to dodge, easy to administer, and without annual returns from the ultimate taxpayer to be processed.
        
        One hit, and the target is beyond arguing about the details.
        
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        January 12, 2021 8:41pm
- cmm
  
  I don’t buy this.
  
  The Ardern brand is not the same as the Labour brand.
  
  Ardern is not measured by success of policies, just if she says the right things and looks as if she cares and is trying.
  
  When their is a Labour failure it is not an Ardern failure. Instead it is Labour letting Ardern down and all the luvvies rally around and support her.
  
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  January 12, 2021 10:01am
  - Exclamation Mark
    
    I’m not so convinced – if you look at the NZ sub on Reddit (they are all very much left wing and they HATE National) they are starting to turn on Adern for her inability to walk the talk. A lot of them are millennials and the lack of affordable housing is probably their number one concern – Labour and Adern simply have nothing to offer them here.
    
    That’s not to say they’ll all start turning to National but my pick is we might start seeing a rise in the polls for TOP and more support for the Greens which will mostly be taken from the Labour vote.
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:12am
    - alloytoo
      
      If the Greens rise in the polls I suspect centralists may start backing away from Labour
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:13am
    - cmm
      
      LabourandGreens… It’s just one word and it doesn’t really change things if Greens get a % or two more.
      
      All PriNZess needs to do is buy her bub a bamboo tricycle and they’ll all come running back.
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:17am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        A Tesla trike maybe…
        
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        January 12, 2021 11:44am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Well, a large number of aotearoa’s (white) feminist voters seem to believe that Jacinda is awfully clever, you know…
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:41am
    - pdm
      
      Luckily they don’t vote in New Zealand like we do.
      
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      January 12, 2021 7:35pm
- Positan
  
  “Make or break for Labour?” As any sort of even half-way competent government, it’s been broken ever since Peters’ treachery put them in. There’s hardly a single Labour MP who could “cut it” outside in the real world, yet somehow a large proportion of our voting public are able to fantasise that Ardern’s cuddly approach is all we need.
  
  What, for example, is NZ’s current state of debt – and by how much has it increased since National went out?
  
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  January 12, 2021 12:14pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Mark my words. She will return comfortably in 2023 for a third term and I wouldn’t rule out a record 4th term in 2026 which could be 4 year term and retiring before 2030 election. That is when National can look forward to getting into power back again.
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:35pm
chukar

Please please stay away Jacinda
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January 12, 2021 8:11am
Andrei

Todays Headlines:

House impeachment resolution accuses Trump of ‘incitement of insurrection

New York State Bar Association moves to oust Rudy Giuliani

Isn’t President Trump legally still the Head of State under the US Constitution?

What does all this soothing talk of healing really mean?

Why in a time of crisis was this the first order of business for the new congress : House introduces gender-neutral language in new rules for Congress?

Yours sincerly puzzled
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January 12, 2021 8:12am
- Ehlana
  
  Andrei, the current government of New Zealand declared a climate change emergency then went on holiday.
  So gender-neutral language as a response to crisis by the US Congress seems pretty positive to me – at least they are in the House!
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:47am
- James Stephenson
  
  What does all this soothing talk of healing really mean?
  
  You misheard. What they said was “These people need to be brought to heel.”
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:59am
- Gulag1917
  
  The “insurrection” has been 40 years in the making so that precedes Trump.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:15am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Why in a time of crisis was this the first order of business for the new congress
  They themselves have stated
  To prevent DJT from running for office in 2024.
  One wonders what they are so afraid of, surely his political stocks spent.
  Or is there another reason?
  
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  January 12, 2021 10:05am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Voters have short memories.
    
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    January 12, 2021 5:28pm
- Southtop2
  
  Hmmm Joanne Nova blog has some interesting video and analysis from Michael Yon – impeachment – why now?
  https://joannenova.com.au/
  
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  January 12, 2021 12:45pm
- Paulus
  
  I am sure that Xi , Putin and the Ayatollah are loving Our Nancy make an arse of herself – her last throw.
  Now we are supposed to know how important she thinks she is.
  
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  January 12, 2021 1:55pm
- Harrywenjie
  
  All this impeachment fuss is about making sure Trump doesn’t come back in 2024. This is the only logic that makes sense.
  Think about it. It’s only less than a week now and they can not wait to silence him.
  
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  January 13, 2021 5:50am
alloytoo

Having grown up under a regime where media was either state controlled or subject to severe restrictions I find the current trend to “De-platform” dissenting voices deeply disturbing.

Sadly any of the current generation are too far removed from the leftist fascist and communist regimes of the 20th century to understand what is happening.
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January 12, 2021 8:16am
- Notsofast
  
  The argument is that Trump is effectively a publisher on Twitter, due to his reach. Would NYT agree to sponsor him in an attempt to use violence to overturn what has been decreed by all law courts a valid election result?
  If the answer is no, then Twitter has acted with reluctance and correctness.
  It is true that freedom of speech is a thing of the past in New Zealand.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:34am
  - alloytoo
    
    This is about more than Trump, this is about the “deplorables” being silenced and deplatformed.
    
    Historically people denied a voice have often resorted to violence. (normally with cheers from the left, unless of course the left are doing the suppressing.)
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:26am
    - Bevan
      
      They’re only deplorable cause they voted Republican.
      
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      January 12, 2021 6:49pm
- Southtop2
  
  In addition, the history curriculum in schools has been managed by knowledge omission – the section on the Treaty, although it mentions Brash’s Orewa Rotary speech does NOT provide a transcript. However Annette Sykes get a say. Much like todays media managing information by omission.
  https://ncea.tki.org.nz/Resources-for-Internally-Assessed-Achievement-Standards/Social-sciences/History
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:51am
  - SB2
    
    The point is that any student( including you me and others ) can easily search Brash’s Orewa Rotary Speech.
    
    Like here
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0401/S00220/nationhood-don-brash-speech-orewa-rotary-club.htm
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:10am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Well – read it & learn sb2 – you certainly need educating.
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:46am
      - pdm
        
        Don Beckett totally off this topic but I had an email from Cardinal John Dew – he is fit and well and not intending to stand down.
        
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        January 12, 2021 7:38pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      ” including you me and others”
      So…you are a student, explains the lack of knowledge, common sense and life experience.
      But the stupidity….how do you explain that?
      
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      January 12, 2021 4:52pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Mexican president’s speech is excellent. Someone is standing up for democracy. It is an unprecedented attack on freedom of speech. Merkel and Germany also calling it out.
  https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348748206159654913
  
  https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/11/germanys-merkel-hits-out-at-twitter-over-problematic-trump-ban.html?__twitter_impression=true
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:52am
  - oldfella
    
    Surely Knott: sacré bleu – another country shocked at twitter’s censorship.
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    The French government has echoed Angela Merkel’s sentiment in saying it is “shocked” at Twitter’s banning of President Trump, asserting that Big Tech is a threat to democracy.
    https://www.infowars.com/posts/french-government-shocked-at-twitter-banning-of-trump/
    
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    January 12, 2021 3:41pm
- artemisia
  
  Facebook, Twitter and Instagram started small back in the day. Really small. They were disruptors and grow’d like Topsy.
  
  No reason disruptors could not emerge again if funding for growth is on tap. Maybe not enough to bother the big end of town.
  
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  January 12, 2021 4:32pm
JibberJabber

If Congress actually took “inciting violence” seriously, they would have censured Maxine Waters a long time ago.

”There will be blood in the streets.” -Loretta Lynch

“Who says protests have to be peaceful?” -Chris ‘Fredo’ Cuomo

“There needs to be unrest in the streets.” -Ayanna Pressley

“Protesters should not let up.” -Kamala Harris
“I just don’t know why there aren’t uprisings all over this country. Maybe there should be.”-Nancy Pelosi

“You get out and create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they are not welcome anymore, anywhere.”-Maxine Waters
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January 12, 2021 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  “No justice, no peace” of the blm , strongly implies “Violence, unless we get our way”
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:14am
- oldfella
  
  JibberJabber: found this comment at a US newspaper site regarding left-wing hypocrisy…
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  Incitement to riot by Kamala, Pelosi & Pressley is far easier to prove. They incited 40 times as many murders and about 500 times as much property damage.
  Over the years, left-wing rioters have stormed the Wisconsin state capitol (2011) and a United States Senate building (2018) during the Kavanaugh hearings, in addition to 600+ riots last summer. We were told that this is the only way people who feel oppressed can be heard. We were told that this is justice. We were told that this is how democracy works.
  Apparently a few of the 250,000 people who were at the Capitol on Wednesday were listening.
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:49am
Simon

Do NZ laws apply to Twitter and Facebook or can a bunch of SJW dweebs out of a failed city like San Francisco dictate in a major part in how our government communicates?

Or to be correct Twitter following orders from the Dems to shut down a political opponent.

Facebook for e.g must be able to ban Maori’s from its platform. Its a private company right?

Can twitter, face book & Apple phones, on instruction from US government, can in part close down NZ government in the future if there is another NZ nuke free moment. Is this acceptable?
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January 12, 2021 8:28am
- Simon
  
  All those cheering Trump being booted off twitter. You poor stupid fools.
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:39am
  - Jim
    
    All those still using Facebook and Twitter, you poor stupid fools.
    
    I don’t see what the problem is tbh. We’re not required to use Twitter, and Twitter is not required to entertain us. Private citizens, private company, etc.
    
    Ditto for Apple, Google and Parler.
    
    Ditto for all those companies reviewing their PAC contributions.
    
    The absence of regulation compelling private companies to follow the government’s bidding is quite refreshing.
    
    What, precisely, is the problem here and what would a small government, small regulation person suggest be done about it?
    
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    January 12, 2021 9:47am
    - Harriet
      
      You wouldn’t be saying that during the gay marriage debate so why say it over any other matter – more so ones that are legal.
      
      And besides — news papers, radio and tv are private – are you suggesting we become a one party state and nothing is to be disseminated?
      
      But yes I do support cutting the level of government department involvement in newspapers, tv and radio as in NZ between the central and local governments nearly every page of every paper every day has announcements and what not that are really nothing more than propaganda – as departments have little or no market competition. People need dignity.
      
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      January 12, 2021 10:56am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      If they are “private companies” (which they are), then they can and should be made to live without section 230 protection and therefore expose themselves to all manner of law suits for their editorial decisions.
      
      The four Big Tech companies should not be in a position to decide who and who does not get a voice in the public square debate, based solely on their political ideology. It’s not merely social media platforms either – “de-platforming” will evolve to encompass denying people access to bank accounts, obtaining a loan, using Uber, using payment processors, registering a website etc. (a la the CCP’s social credit system).
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:17am
      - Jim
        
        The four Big Tech companies should not be in a position to decide who and who does not get a voice in the public square debate, based solely on their political ideology.
        
        So who should decide?
        
        The government should compel private companies what to publish and not to publish? That sounds a lot more dystopian than the status quo. How would that work even? Sounds like a scheme to lower unemployment by having the chief censor hire hundreds of thousands of content moderators.
        
        For the record, Facebook and Twitter have been censoring content since long before Trump, and they both have published rules, nothing to do with political ideology (but would it matter if they did?). They’ve been rather restrained until the latest violence.
        
        Twitter suspended this account when it called for violence during last year’s protests: https://twitter.com/ANTIFA_US
        
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        January 12, 2021 11:58am
      - Jim
        
        Forgot this part:
        
        If they are “private companies” (which they are), then they can and should be made to live without section 230 protection and therefore expose themselves to all manner of law suits for their editorial decisions.
        
        They are already subject to legal action for their content; the point is that it’s not a government censor that unilaterally regulates this, it is the courts and other private parties.
        
        Section 230 is not protection for private companies in the sense that you think. It actually enables anonymous free expression on blogs just like this one.
        
        I have seen the alternative in another country and it is not good. What happens when the government decides to regulate Internet speech? The content providers cover their asses, that’s what happens. Technology evolves in a different direction. They will hand over the street address and GPS coordinates of the political blog commenter to the nearest police car faster than you can say “what about my rights!”.
        
        During the time I lived in Singapore, a pair of blog commenters were charged with sedition because of some anti-muslim comments made on a discussion thread. How chilling is that?
        
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        January 12, 2021 12:35pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        No compulsion is necessary. Set the rules so that either everything goes on a platform and leave the posters liable, or else make politically motivated editorial decisions and thereby assume legal liable for actionable posts.
        
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        January 12, 2021 12:35pm
      - david
        
        But, but, but ….. what about the internationally acclaimed “Christchurch Call” which demanded that the social media develop censorship techniques to act on politician’s whims and prevent the people from being exposed to things that the pollies say they are incapable of deciding about themselves.
        What we see from Twitter and Facebook now is only a small step further.
        
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        January 13, 2021 12:18pm
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/01/08/kim-jong-un-north-korea-seeks-expanding-developing-foreign-relations/

North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, presiding over the ruling Korean Workers’ Party (WPK) Congress on Friday, reportedly proposed “comprehensively expanding and developing the external relations of the country,” according to state media.
The current Party Congress is the eighth in the history of North Korea, founded in 1948 by communist dictator and Kim Jong-un’s grandfather Kim Il-sung, and the first in five years. Kim opened the event with a speech this week in which, while praising his underlings, he admitted that nearly every objective in the Party’s “five-year plan” drafted at the last congress had failed. It sure beats developing and firing new rockets.
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January 12, 2021 8:30am
The Boss

Pelosi thinks kicking a man when he’s down is the way to go. Disgusting.
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January 12, 2021 8:30am
- pdm
  
  I get the impression Pelosi would be happy kicking any man.
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:43am
- Andrei
  
  Nancy Pelosi is an eighty year old woman has been in poltics both local and National for over 50 years.
  
  Her congressional district is home to some of the wealthiest people in the US of A
  
  But the streets are also filled with homeless beggars, used hypodermics and human excrement – problems she has no interst in addressing
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:50am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    As long as she can get her hair done, she cares not a whit for anyone else.
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:04pm
    - Nickc2
      
      We have a Speaker of similar characteristics here. His name is Trevor Mallard aka The Duck. He has been around politics for eons and achieved nothing. IMO his last act worth mentioning had to do with slandering a Public Servant and participating in a sham of an investigation into what he actually did. Not to worry though, the NZ Taxpayer will pay for any litigation.
      
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      January 12, 2021 2:22pm
- virtualmark
  
  Pelosi thinks being accountable for your actions is the way to go.
  
  But “Pelosi needs to turn down the temperature because Donald’s feelings are hurt” is so ironic not even Alanis Morrissette could make a song about it.
  
  Not so long ago Republicans used to stress principles, personal responsibility and accountability. Now not so much.
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:53am
  - redflagged
    
    An Alanis Morrissette analogy, surely a first.
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:04pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yes, isn’t it ironic?
      
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      January 12, 2021 2:05pm
      - fisho
        
        A little too ironic me thinks.
        
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        January 12, 2021 5:43pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Pelosi spent the past four years playing hate politics with Trump and isn’t going to stop now. Neither will he.
    
    The war continues fought by whatever means is available. Biden is just a sideshow at present.
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:31pm
- Nick R
  
  Diddums. Actions have consequences.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:00am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Only if the MSM think so.
    Maxine Waters?
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:11am
- Jimmy White
  
  Especially since the reason he was ‘down’ was the knife the Democrats put in his back
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:00am
  - Batman
    
    Yeah the Democrats really knifed him hard by having him hold a “Save America” rally where the fanatical audience were told of “trial by combat” “today is the day we start kicking ass” and “you need to show strength”, along with being told to “fight” 20+ times.
    
    The Dems must be the masters of MK-Ultra.
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:01am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      At least we can always rely on you for all the latest Boomer takes.
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:20am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        BM has issues. Forgive xe because xe does not know any better.
        
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        January 12, 2021 11:57am
    - Jimmy White
      
      What universe are you living in Boy wonder. Here is the transcript of his speech:
      “So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you’”
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:22am
- Im Right
  
  Pelosi has bigger problems…’the squad’ dont want her there, they want someone younger and not white, and not male, the clock is ticking on the Dems implosion when they dont say or do what the squad want and in a timeframe of their choosing.
  Get the popcorn ready…..
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:02am
  - Juliet2554
    
    the best part is the military have Nancy’s laptop & she was missing as the speaker today!!
    Why do you think there is panic in DC? she is terrified. Acting like a crazy woman. Staged a coup herself by telling the military to arrest the sitting president
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:18pm
    - Okahu
      
      Up your dose jules. What you’re on just ain’t cutting the mustard.
      
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      January 12, 2021 1:04pm
    - RichardX
      
      Juliet2554
      the best part is the military have Nancy’s laptop & she was missing as the speaker today!!
      Why do you think there is panic in DC? she is terrified. Acting like a crazy woman. Staged a coup herself by telling the military to arrest the sitting president
      
      JANUARY 12, 2021 12:18PM
      
      The claim about the laptop was made yesterday as well but I have only seen Juliet2554 make the claim.
      
      I’m curious as to why the post receives upticks.
      
      Is it because people believe what was posted?
      
      Specifically;
      Do people believe “the military” have the laptop?
      Which part of “the military” is being talked about here?
      Do people believe Pelosi is terrified because “the military” have the laptop?
      Do people believe The Speaker of the House has the power to tell “the military” to do anything?
      Do people believe Pelosi told “the military to arrest the sitting president”?
      What mechanism was used by Pelosi to tell “the military to arrest the sitting president”?
      
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      January 12, 2021 3:44pm
      - Batman
        
        They *want* it to be true, even if they won’t say it or actually really believe it.
        
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        January 12, 2021 3:57pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Morons gotta be morons.
        
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        January 12, 2021 4:50pm
- Inandout
  
  The Boss, pelosi’s photo of her tearing up Trump’s state of the union speech behind his back has reportedly been ‘disappeared’ by Google.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:12am
  - JerJer
    
    That is crap.
    
    https://www.google.com/search?q=pelosi+rips+up+state+of+union&safe=strict&rlz=1C1CHBF_enNZ808NZ808&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB9IzS5ZTuAhVGeX0KHf34BsEQ_AUoAnoECAUQBA&biw=1920&bih=969
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:14am
    - Batman
      
      Jerjer, but that lie aligns perfectly with the MAGA approach of just making up claims about things being “disappeared” by media or on the web.
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:02am
- MCos
  
  If you’re referring to Donald Trump, he’ll tell you he isn’t down, never was, never will be.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:18am
- Lance
  
  You failed to mention that he fomented riotous violence.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:44am
  - Inandout
    
    Jibber Jabber 8.19am explains what ‘fomenting’ means. Those Dems are the height of hypocrisy.
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:18am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Perhaps people still have some remnants of personal agency. Not everyone is an unthinking automaton, Lance. Maybe the “riotous violence” was an inevitable consequence of the way Trump supporters are vilified, dismissed and denounced, or because an illegitimate hostile cadre has taken over their country?
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:24am
    - Lance
      
      So the violence is all good then with you, because, you know.. they have reasons?
      And don’t use the mentally lazy route of labelling me a lefty or pro BLM mob rule supporter.
      
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      January 12, 2021 2:24pm
  - Jimmy White
    
    Quote Please
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:25am
SB2

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The menace of “Deepfakes “where images are manipualted using A I( generative adversarial networks (GANs) ) to rewrite the past eg Obama using an expletive , Mark Zuckerberg admitting his aim is to use Facebook to exploit its users)

The use of the Technology is increasing at an alarming rate and improving all the time. At the moment its still possible to detect this fakery but will become increasingly impossible to do so ,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robtoews/2020/05/25/deepfakes-are-going-to-wreak-havoc-on-society-we-are-not-prepared/?sh=5e6dbdfc7494

Not hard to guess which GAB users will be making use of this to alter the past , present and future

“Most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker,
but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.”
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January 12, 2021 8:31am
- Happychappy
  
  Talking of cowards you should take a good look at some of the crap and lies you post.
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:42am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s the other end of the equation – he’s not a coward, so much as someone incapable of rational thought at all.
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:21pm
- alloytoo
  
  “Most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker,
  but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.”
  
  ROTFLOL at your lack of self awareness.
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:43am
  - JackRabbit
    
    SB2=”Copy and Paste King.” No thinking required.
    
    I have never seen a logical and reasoned post based on established truth or principles from SB2 or his other aliases – Ever.
    
    He thinks he’s thinking but all he is doing is swirling biases, likes, dislikes, and delusions around in his head, and out pops undigested raw regurgitation.
    
    Thinking involves consideration and comparison of principles and premises based on those principles, and forming a reasoned proposition backed up by a chain of logic.
    
    The challenge for SB2 is to go a whole month without posting knee jerk responses, without posting made up statements or garbage, without posting links, either posting reasoned responses, or not post at all under any of his multiple aliases.
    
    Is SB2 up for the challenge?
    
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    January 12, 2021 9:47am
    - redflagged
      
      Would be a great contributor on Stuff.co.nz, that’s all that is these days, opinion to divide and conquer.
      
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      January 12, 2021 12:07pm
- JibberJabber
  
  You’d be an expert on “deep fakes” eh, Stephie?
  Given the porn you’ve posted on KB in the past.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:00am
- Inandout
  
  SB2, GAB must scare the shit out of your sort. Bugger your mates in big tech can’t boycott them.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:14am
  - ISeeRed
    
    He’s worried about GAB users of all people abusing this disturbing new technology. It’s like being worried about what Croatia might do with the proliferation of nuclear materials.
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:06pm
curry4me

https://www.state.gov/lifting-self-imposed-restrictions-on-the-u-s-taiwan-relationship/

Taiwan is a vibrant democracy and reliable partner of the United States, and yet for several decades the State Department has created complex internal restrictions to regulate our diplomats, servicemembers, and other officials’ interactions with their Taiwanese counterparts. The United States government took these actions unilaterally, in an attempt to appease the Communist regime in Beijing. No more.
Today I am announcing that I am lifting all of these self-imposed restrictions. Executive branch agencies should consider all “contact guidelines” regarding relations with Taiwan previously issued by the Department of State under authorities delegated to the Secretary of State to be null and void. I wonder how long it’ll take Beiing Biden to reverse this?
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January 12, 2021 8:31am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  And so Biden should.
  Issuing a statement like that in literally the last ten days of the Trump administration is no way to develop long term and major foreign policy.
  It is an action that it is primarily intended to make it difficult for the incoming Biden administration. They will no doubt continue to be tough on China but they won’t want that to be effectively their very first Chinese policy.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:16am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘They will no doubt continue to be tough on China ….’
    
    Bwa hahahaha.
    
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    January 12, 2021 9:52am
    - cmm
      
      Wayne’s version of tough.
      
      At this stage Russel “flagboy” Norman is starting to look principled.
      
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      January 12, 2021 10:37am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        And sane!
        
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        January 12, 2021 2:23pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Wayne presents well, but his content often includes suspect and out-of-touch Beltway delusions, like when he declares that the Biden administration will be “tough on China.”
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:28am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        New Zealand should not mirror Australia and the US on China. First, it is not in our economic interest to do so. Second, we should not be rushing headlong into a new Cold War, as they wish to do.
        We opted out of that in the 1980’s (I imagine you were opposed to the government position at the time) and we should do so again. Bolger understood that the nuclear free policy was a fixed position in NZ. The same applies today.
        
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        January 12, 2021 12:56pm
      - Jack5
        
        “Bolger understood that the nuclear free policy was a fixed position in NZ.”
        
        Then why did National become so sycophantic to China, a nuclear power?
        
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        January 12, 2021 2:31pm
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    I see that Pompeo has also just designated Cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism. Also an action primarily intended to vex the new administration. This will be quickly reversed, and it won’t be controversial to do so.
    Self evidently Biden will fully reinstate the Obama policies in relation to Cuba.
    
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    January 12, 2021 9:57am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Using ‘self-evident’ and Biden in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:52am
  - Harriet
    
    “….is no way to develop long term and major foreign policy…..
    
    LOL Wayne. The US has signed up to international universal rights decades ago.
    
    [Mod: deleted for excessive abuse of another poster.]
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:08am
    - Harriet
      
      Hardly. They were questions.
      
      I got pulled up last week for questions – with moderators again suggesting they were things – other than questions.
      
      But hey – I think Mr Mapp has the mental ability to answer them – but we’ll instead run with your thinking! 😎
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:17am
      - lifesgood
        
        Who is this Wayne Mapp?
        
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        January 12, 2021 1:07pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Some politicians in NZ have a history of bootlicking to the Chinese Communist Party, don’t they Wayne. Money matters more than principles, eh.
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:10am
    - Batman
      
      You armchair generals hate it when the real world interferes with your perfect and genius foreign policy prescriptions 🤣
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:04am
      - Don Beckett
        
        That’s real funny – batman accusing others of ‘armchair general’s hate’. Bwaahhaaa
        
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        January 12, 2021 11:54am
  - curry4me
    
    Wayne Mapp: He’s not called Beiing Biden for nothing. He’ll try to reverse this policy ASAP. If he can remember where he is, and read the teleprompter without stumbling too badly. Or VP Harris will do it for him. I’m sure the presitator is very releived.
    
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    January 12, 2021 1:42pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    How is this different from Obama’s stitch-up of the UN Security Council with Resolution 2334? In the last few weeks of his lame-duck, pointless Presidency, he instructed the US delegate to abstain from voting, rather than veto a blatant and unjustified attack on Israel – for the first time in history.
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:45pm
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Our local yokel far right “deep fake “ is unsurprisingly right on to it ,

The Redbaiter

@Redbaiternz
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1h

Man, I’m going to get along with Gab just fine…
Quote Tweet

Gab.com

@getongab
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Communism will not win in America.

We need a new Red Scare.

Joseph McCarthy did nothing wrong, in fact he was way ahead of his time.

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1348604359051907073
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January 12, 2021 8:37am
- Tony Stuart
  
  “Local yokel”?
  
  Wow; that’s rich, coming from you, of all people Stephie.
  
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  January 12, 2021 12:42pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Be fair, ol’ Redbaiter is a yokel compared to just about everyone, including Stephie.
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Seems like some slack encryption was being practised by the Reserve Bank and Accellion – the Company supplying their file-sharing service.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/reserve-bank-new-zealand-says-wasnt-directly-targeted-in-cyber-attack?auto=6221776181001
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January 12, 2021 8:38am
- rangitoto
  
  The supplier was hacked. It doesn’t say how that happened. Could be anything from a zeroday to a spearphishing attack. But they should have only uploaded encrypted data to the file sharing site. personally I wouldn’t use any third party file sharing service for sensitive data. This includes the likes of dropbox, MS one drive, gdrive etc. If you really need to do it it then much better to use an open source solution like nextcloud running on your own servers with geoblocking and the like.
  
  Suppliers are being heavily targeted as seen in the recent breech of Solar Winds.
  
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  January 12, 2021 2:14pm
I remember when

So at least we know – Twitter thinks everybody is thick and unable to discern the truth for themselves.
Of course, the removal from Social Media will confirm for Donald’s followers that they are considered thick, are right and have to save the world.
Perhaps ‘Twitter’ even suffers from the very fault that Donald Trump is said to suffer from – over rating its importance.
Beware when making judgements – every action has a reaction.
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January 12, 2021 8:41am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I’d be surprised if the Republican Party will regret losing Trump’s fanatical followers and rioters. 4 years showed they didn’t fit, nor their boss.
  
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  January 12, 2021 10:58am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Fanatical followers? Do you mean 50% of the American public?
    Trumpy’s nearly no longer president – you can start letting go of your massive TDS now.
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:56am
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Religiosity destroys brains.
      
      There is no hope of recovery. That’s why the victims believe in life after death.
      
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      January 12, 2021 12:33pm
  - Juliet2554
    
    the republican party is over.
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:16pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Trumpers are thick and or crazy, apart from a few billionaires who gain from the chaos he creates.
  
  And no, a significant minority cannot discern truth for themselves. It’s been shown time and time again big liars can get plenty of people to believe anything.
  
  Evidence is powerless against brainwashing. Look at the anti-vaxxers and climate deniers.
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:24am
  - Okahu
    
    Yes. News that the Mercer family, who
    used their vast wealth and technical resources to skew the 2016 election through micro targeting of voters based on hacked Facebook data is behind Parler should come as no surprise. There seem to be plenty of deep pockets that would be happy if close friends of theirs could run things in their interest without the meddling masses getting involved. If their investment were to become worthless with the demise of Parler, what a shame, what a shame.
    
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    January 12, 2021 1:33pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Doc, a great description of the followers of Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Pencil Neck Schiff and other Dem. politicians, Antifa, BLM, and all the Democrat sychophants.
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:14pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Bunkum. Only someone with mush for brains can’t see Trump for what he is.
      
      The Republicans thought they could polish a turd and hold it by the clean end – but they couldn’t.
      
      Never mind. All the Christians are celebrating the executions he managed towork in.
      
      He’s leaving his legacy: Backward Roman Catholic Supreme Court judges and others to make sure women suffer due penitence and the world has even more unwanted children.
      
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      January 12, 2021 3:26pm
peterwn

See:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123912658/insurer-asks-student-badly-injured-after-being-hit-by-ute-to-cough-up-for-repairs
The insurance spokesperson was being rather disingenious when he said “However, in general terms, if a person’s actions cause an accident which results in damage to another person’s property, they may be liable for the cost of that damage.”
He omitted the word ‘negligent’ – if there is no negligence there is liability and that is that. This is the typical disingenuity from insurance companies that I have had to contend with in my former job where we regularly claimed from those who knocked power poles over or hit underground power cables with diggers etc.
In this case the only evidence of ‘negligence’ seemed to be a police report where the girl said she had not looked both ways and that ‘evidence’ would have been unreliable.
So IAG after months of harassing the girl dropped the case either partly because the Disputes Tribulal may have chucked it out and partly because the ensuing publicity was becoming harmful. IAG should have thought through this to start with, but some minions remains pig headed until the game is up. Presumably if IAG had found in favour of the insurance company, IAG would have
There is a general ‘risk’ problem here. How many people have insurance cover for such risks when not driving a vehicle, not being an employee, etc.? The girl was sued for $2600, which is generally not the end of the world. Suppose she was hit by a Porche and the damage to the Porche was $26000? This sort of thing has not been much of an issue in the past because common sense has generally prevailed (even if belatedly), so there has been no pressing need for law reform in this area.

[Mod. Note: I think you may mean “no liability” in your second paragraph.]
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January 12, 2021 8:49am
- alloytoo
  
  Some insurance companies try to behave ethically.
  
  IAG is not one of them.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:54am
- surfing
  
  Unreasonable to expect pedestrians to buy ‘hit by a car ‘ insurance.
  
  The car insurance should cover costs, so long as the pedestrian didn’t intentionally jump in front of the car. I seriously doubt she did.
  
  There was a girl killed by a truck here a while back, i wonder if the truck’s insurance company chased her family for costs?
  
  It is an odious move by this insurance company to take it to court.
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:05am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s odious but it was most likely the insurance company requiring its policyholder to take action.
    
    The exact same thing happened to me – long story short I was in an accident caused by another driver, which he admitted, and I had a witness. Within 36 hours there was a letter on my desk from his insurer stating that they understood I was in an accident with their client and that I had admitted liability!
    
    My insurer said not to worry, they would take care of it, my claim was accepted and I wouldn’t have to pay an excess. Some months later I received a notice of claim from the Small Claims Tribunal which he had been instructed to take by his insurer, and which my insurer required me to defend (unless I wanted to pay his insurance, and excess, which I didn’t).
    
    I filed a notice of defence or whatever it was and said I would appear to contest it, and 2 days before the claim was due to be heard they dropped it without telling me.
    
    They just try it on to see if you can be bothered contesting it – if not then you’re stuck. I didn’t take it personally, and neither should she. By all accounts she did cause the accident and IMO she’s lucky they called it off. Whether she was negligent or not is completely immaterial.
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:58pm
fernglas

I was going to volunteer to work with child cancer victims, but I see that any applicants in the future will need to be vetted. After I saw what the vet did to my dog, I’m not so sure any more.
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January 12, 2021 8:50am
Maggie Pie

So, did Twitter cleanse us of the Pedos, or just the people who were outing them during the purge?
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January 12, 2021 8:53am
- Nick R
  
  Hi Q. How’s it going?
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:01am
  - IC5000
    
    Where we go one, we go all
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:15am
    - Batman
      
      The Storm is coming (it’s been coming for four years and still shows no sign of arriving)
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:05am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, https://www.businessinsider.com.au/twitter-stock-price-president-donald-trump-permanently-banned-tweeting-2021-1?r=US&IR=T
  
  https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/11/tech/twitter-stock-trump-account-suspended/index.html
  
  Unintended consequences?
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:20am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, people with knowledge of the matter, were reported as saying it’s cost Twitter $5B.
    
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    January 12, 2021 9:59am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Completely predictable consequences. You don’t think that it was a coincidence that Parler was shut down at exactly the point of their best opportunity of picking up millions of new users?
    
    The Silicon Valley cartel needs to be smashed.
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:02am
    - Inandout
      
      JS, Silicon Valley is in turmoil with staff looking elsewhere for jobs. The majority may be left leaning but even they can see the shit hitting the fan on this issue.
      
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      January 12, 2021 10:41am
      - IC5000
        
        Thankfully it appears that researchers have archived Almost all Parler post inciting violence so that domestic terrorists have be held to account later on.
        
        https://www.businessinsider.com.au/researchers-archive-very-incriminating-parler-posts-before-shutdown-2021-1
        
        No doubt AWS still has the IP addresses of these domestic terrorists to aid law enforcement in prosecuting them.
        
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        January 12, 2021 11:34am
    - curry4me
      
      James Stephenson: Some state Attorney Generals might go the class action route against big tech.
      
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      January 12, 2021 1:48pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Pedos get a social media pass for being like-minded; political dissenters do not. We live in a society where pedophilia is considered a lesser evil than being against Globalism. Inferences begin to flood the mind at this realisation …
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:32am
SB2

Is this far-right conspiracy -nut celeb barking mad or for the first time real?

Alex Jones claims he funded rally that led to Capitol chaos

https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/alex-jones-claims-he-funded-rally-that-led-to-capitol-chaos/
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January 12, 2021 8:55am
- JackRabbit
  
  If that article is correct and not taken out of context, Alex Jones probably did fund the peaceful march, not the rent-a-riot crowd that that turned up to make it look like republican supporters were on par with the German SA.
  
  There will not have been a political rally in the last 100 years, where unethical vested interests opposing said rally did NOT put in place stooges (paid or otherwise) to wreck things and control the narrative.
  
  Manipulation of the narrative in order to control the outcome has been going on since forever!
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:59am
Than

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Despite the riot in Washington DC, Senator Josh Hawley is still saying there needs to be an investigation into voting irregularities.

Oh, FFS. For the thousandth time, no, no, there does not.

Sixty times judges have sat down and given the Trump team the opportunity to present evidence of vote-fraud. And every time they have failed to present any.

At this point claims of vote-fraud are in the same category as Bigfoot or Russell’s Teapot. OK, sure, you can’t 100% definitively disprove they exist, since it’s impossible to prove a negative. But given how closely this election has been scrutinized, and how hard the Trump team has searched for evidence of vote-fraud without finding any, continuing to believe there was significant vote-fraud is (at best) irrational.

Trump-supporters need to get with reality. There was no vote-fraud. Biden won, fair and square.
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January 12, 2021 9:02am
- MCos
  
  “Trump-supporters need to get with reality.”
  
  That’s a big ask.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:54am
  - IC5000
    
    That’s not going to happen. Ever. They don’t have the moral courage.
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:17am
    - Kevin Herlihy
      
      Donald Trump Jnr confirms the state of alternate reality that his family suffers from with threats he made at the Capitol Hill rally:
      “To those Republicans, many of which may be voting on things in the coming hours: You have an opportunity today,” Donald Trump Jr. told the crowd gathered for the “Save America March” on the White House Ellipse. “You can be a hero, or you can be a zero. And the choice is yours. But we are all watching. The whole world is watching, folks. Choose wisely.”
      
      “These guys better fight for Trump. Because if they’re not, guess what? I’m going to be in your backyard in a couple of months!” Donald Trump Jr. said, suggesting he would support primary campaigns against Republicans who did not side with his father on Wednesday.
      
      The rally itself “should be a message to all the Republicans who have not been willing to actually fight. The people who did nothing to stop the steal,” he said. “This gathering should send a message to them: This isn’t their Republican Party anymore! This is Donald Trump’s Republican Party!”
      
      https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/06/trump-threat-primaries-gop-lawmakers-455366
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:06am
- Graeme Hall
  
  If there really was no fraud what could count as evidence to the contrary? Many posts on this site have pointed out the potential problems with the Presidential election in more depth & detail than I could.
  
  To roughly summarise, the White House showed 100s of signed affidavits citing questionable behaviour among election workers in various counties, videos of unexplained incidents at the counting offices, banned observers, & live interviews on TV of those brave enough to speak out. Plus there were dead voters, interstate voters, unqualified voters, decisions made by officials violating State constitutions, odd cumulative vote count patterns & enough statistical anomalies to generate suspicion under normal circumstances.
  
  Given the narrowness of margins in the key States it is no wonder many voters are still asking for a detailed independent audit. And, since the Biden result will stand regardless, what is there to fear?
  
  As for the Courts rejecting submissions, contrary to the rules & Constitution, one explanation is the risk to them, their family & careers, plus lasting infamy for ruling against a proclaimed election result. The media & political pressure was almost impossible to resist.
  
  Is there anything more dangerous to a Democracy than a large proportion of the voting population losing trust in a national election? Whether anyone likes it or not, and no matter how they denigrate those questioning the outcome, that is what we now see in the USA. What is needed now is not blank denial, but acceptance of the problems followed by making changes to the election process to ensure this never happens again. I wont hold my breath.
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:21am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Is there anything more dangerous to a Democracy than a large proportion of the voting population losing trust in a national election?
    
    Yes, there is. The bigly loser president seeking to overturn the electoral results based on palpably false allegations of fraud, and then inciting a mob to go and reverse the people’s will.
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:52pm
- Fletch
  
  Sixty times judges have sat down and given the Trump team the opportunity to present evidence of vote-fraud.
  
  You’re wrong on many points there. For a start, many cases were dismissed without the evidence even being looked at – infamously, the Texas lawsuit where the Court claimed Texas didn’t have “standing” (which, of course, they did).
  
  For a second point, you are confusing criminal with civil cases. There does not need to be evidence for a civil case to be heard. When you file a civil complaint you need a reasonable basis in fact and law. Allegations can be made on information and belief. Then the court grants discovery to find evidence. That’s the way it works. You don’t have evidence in advance of an investigation. And the bar is very low. More than sufficient to establish a reasonable basis to file a complaint to overcome dismissal. But the courts don’t want to look.
  
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  January 12, 2021 12:49pm
  - Batman
    
    Because the evidence was baseless and lacked any rigor or logic.
    
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    January 12, 2021 1:09pm
    - Fletch
      
      Um, it is a FACT that liberals bypassed the State Legislatures (the only body able to alter election law) and went and changed election law to pretty much remove all protections around mail-in voting, especially in swing states where Biden “won”. That was the basis of the Texas case. And violation of the equal protection clause.
      
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      January 12, 2021 2:07pm
    - Paulus
      
      The evidence was never allowed to be presented.
      
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      January 12, 2021 2:09pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “There does not need to be evidence for a civil case to be heard.”
      
      “the evidence was baseless and lacked any rigor or logic.”
      
      Comprehension not your strong suit, is it?
      
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      January 12, 2021 3:09pm
  - Lance
    
    You’re right Fletch, the divine ones appointed judges turned out to just be lefty tools who couldn’t see the alternative facts.
    /sarc/
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:28pm
- NoFax
  
  Yes, tell them to shut up – that usually solves issues and put people’s minds at east.
  
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  January 12, 2021 4:54pm
  - Than
    
    Oh, I have absolutely no illusions that my post will change any minds. The beliefs of both sides are 100% entrenched.
    
    But that being the case, this sort of post isn’t going to make things any worse, and it lets me vent my frustration.
    
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    January 12, 2021 5:47pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Sixty times judges have sat down and given the Trump team the opportunity to present evidence of vote-fraud. And every time they have failed to present any.
  
  Sixty times the judges dismissed the cases without even starting the process.
  
  Imagine your daughter or wife is raped and judges keep throwing the case out court saying you are a conspiracy theorist. You’d be OK with that then?
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:55pm
Mrs_Right

“Communists:

– Tore down statues
– Burned books
– Banned certain movies, art and music
– Censored speech
– Prevented freedom of thought
– Punished dissenting voices
– Dehumanised their opponents with propaganda”

Looks familiar doesn’t it?
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January 12, 2021 9:14am
- Batman
  
  Fascists did and do the same things.
  
  What’s your point?
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:07am
  - alloytoo
    
    Since fascism is really just another brand of socialism, what’s your point?
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:33am
    - Juliet2554
      
      basically regardless they are totalitarian governments. Most people dont realise NAZI stands for nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. See the socialist in there…..
      
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      January 12, 2021 12:14pm
      - SB2
        
        Socialist in name only. Hitler used the term to gain votes from workers and rejected the ideology ” socialsim”. Again to win more votes from the Upper and middle classes,
        
        “..Joseph Goebbels, who would eventually become Reich Minister of Propaganda once the Nazi Party seized control of Germany, wrote in his diary about Hitler’s rejection of socialism at that 1926 meeting, “I feel as if someone had knocked me on the head … my heart aches so much. … A horrible night! Surely one of the greatest disappointments of my life…”
        
        https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-brooks-gohmert
        
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        January 12, 2021 1:14pm
      - RichardX
        
        Juliet2554
        …Most people dont realise NAZI stands for nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. See the socialist in there…..
        JANUARY 12, 2021 12:14PM
        
        Most people don’t realise North Korea is actually the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. See the democratic in there…..
        //
        
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        January 12, 2021 1:40pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Stephie Boy now defending Hitler – I’ve seen everything, surely there can be nothing worse than that.
        
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        January 12, 2021 3:12pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        How do you interpret debunking the tired Nazi=socialist line as ‘defending Hitler’?
        
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        January 12, 2021 3:36pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Stephie understands nothing
        The German / NAZI economy and it’s structure was far more akin to the Russian centralist Communism than it ever was the capitalist economies of USA and Britain.
        Goebbels was a Socialist and Hitler was largely ignorant of economics.
        The Nazi economy was run closer to a combination of Communism and Mafia gangsters.
        
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        January 12, 2021 3:45pm
      - Batman
        
        Well yes because politics is a circle, so fascist national socialism is right next to communism out in the back end of the circle, in the totalitarianism section 😂
        
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        January 12, 2021 3:56pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @SB2
        
        Socialist in name only. As are all fascists dressed up as socialists. Wolves dressed up as lambs.
        
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        January 12, 2021 9:58pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    So it’s even worse than we thought? I’m unsure how your comment helps the case you appear to be insinuating. Changing the label of the perpetrators has no effect on the actions.
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:36am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Two sides of the same turd, what’s your point?
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:39am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Two peas in a collectivist pod.
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:47am
  - oldfella
    
    Communists, fascists, and Democrats. What a trio.
    The Democrats sure do keep some strange company.
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:07pm
  - Juliet2554
    
    well no right wing people are doing that right now are they. Keep up please
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  Coming to a place near you? Oh, shit, it’s already here in lil-olde-NZ. Who would have guessed? It was all voted for FFS.
  
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  January 12, 2021 1:19pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    So was Hitler.
    
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    January 12, 2021 3:46pm
Maggie Pie

Random Impertinent Question….

Did President Trump ever spurn Nancy Pelosi’s sexual advances?
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January 12, 2021 9:15am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Nancy would have to be sober for any advances to be made.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:17am
- BeaB
  
  Of course that must be the reason. That’s always why women behave the way they do. It’s all about men.
  
  Sad to see pathetic crap like this on Kiwiblog.
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:55am
  - Inandout
    
    BB, you would have to be like the three monkeys not to see Nancy is an appalling liar and has called for violence against Trump supporters just months ago. As has been alluded to she is a champagne liberal in the worst sense, caring not one jot for the desperate and homeless in her city.
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:47am
    - Batman
      
      Called for violence months ago huh? What complete and utter rubbish.
      
      You’re reaching so hard for a justification for the MAGA terrorists but can’t find anything the remotely comes close to it.
      
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      January 12, 2021 10:52am
      - Tall Man
        
        You must be so proud when steffy upticks you.
        
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        January 12, 2021 11:05am
      - Jimmy White
        
        Boy Wonder a quote from Nancy: “ When you’re in the arena, you have to be ready to take a punch and you have to be ready to throw a punch”
        
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        January 12, 2021 11:41am
    - Paulus
      
      Understand that our Nancy came from very poor beginnings to now a very rich lady – all via the Democratic Party.
      
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      January 12, 2021 2:12pm
- Nickc2
  
  Trump’s not into Turkey Necks AFIK.
  
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  January 12, 2021 1:15pm
- JibberJabber
  
  As per usual you are on to it Mags,
  
  https://twitter.com/mbracemoore/status/1348822162522693632 🤣
  
  I shall never doubt you, ever again…
  
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  January 12, 2021 4:02pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    https://twitter.com/west_5D/status/1348790300538494981
    😍😘😍😘
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! Just txt the link to our Club Captain ….. she was the one that asked the question!
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:40pm
Yvette

Will Golriz Ghahraman apologise for her earlier Instagram post accusing Israel of being a world leader in “medical apartheid”, now that Newshub confirms “The health ministry of the Palestinian Authority (PA) has approved the main Russian vaccine against COVID-19, known as Sputnik V, for use in Palestinian self-ruled territory, Russia’s sovereign wealth fund said on Monday.”?
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January 12, 2021 9:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Golriz apologise?
  What planet are you on?
  
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  January 12, 2021 9:51am
- Juliet2554
  
  I proudly helped dob her in for that one. Oops.
  
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  January 12, 2021 12:10pm
MCos

Both India & Australia had miserable days at the SCG yesterday. India due to injuries and our cousins over the ditch due to three dropped catches by Paine, witless chatter to the batsman as he was about to face up, causing him to walk away, several times, by Paine, scuffing out the batsman’s guard by Steve Smith, Cricketer of the Decade.
In the end the fast bowling ogres of the Land of Oz couldn’t knock over a couple of cripples who held on for about fifty overs for a draw.
Last year Oz thrashed us and we thrashed a perfectly healthy India.
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January 12, 2021 9:50am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The Cricketer of the Decade, who spent 10% of the decade suspended from cricket due to his cheating, you mean? Is it any wonder the ICC has a credibility problem?
  
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  January 12, 2021 10:42am
  - MCos
    
    India, Australia & England are the big three.
    The only Player of the Decade for the various categories not from these associations was Rashid Khan.
    Popularity over performance.
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:46am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      And of the Big Three, India, which also happens to be the richest, is the biggest. I’m amazed that Smith got the award ahead of Kohli, and that’s without even taking the sandpaper incident into account.
      
      The only good thing about Australia winning yesterday is that it gives New Zealand a better chance of making the World Test Championship Final at Lord’s in July, which will absolutely piss two of the Big Three off!
      
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      January 12, 2021 12:48pm
      - waripori
        
        Did you mean ” Australia not winning” ?. It was a draw. Draws might be good for us as the two final places are awarded on some basis of % of results due to the amount of games cancelled because of Covid. Dont really understand the formula except it was important for us to win both games against Pakistan rather than draw one.
        
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        January 12, 2021 1:04pm
      - waripori
        
        See below but have just checked. India now on 70.2% and we are at 70%. Australia will have dropped as a result of the draw as well but still at over 73%. It will suit us for Australia to win the last test or for it to be drawn, much as would like India to win on the basis of the courage they showed yesterday in comparison with the way the Aussies behaved.
        
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        January 12, 2021 1:44pm
      - Zapper
        
        If India win in Brisbane, we make the final.
        
        If it’s a draw or Australia win, then we make the final if India do any less than beat England 4-0.
        
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        January 12, 2021 1:46pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Aussie winning yesterday Tony?
        
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        January 12, 2021 2:09pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Wessel Johannes “Hansie” Cronje was a South African international cricketer and captain of the South African national cricket team in the 1990s. He was voted the 11th greatest South African in 2004 despite having been banned from cricket for life due to his role in a match-fixing scandal.
    ie Premeditated cheating
    how is what Smith and Warner did, any different?
    
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    January 12, 2021 3:53pm
- oldfella
  
  If an Indian wicketkeeper dropped three vital catches I’d suspect some kind of match fixing.
  When an Aussie keeper does the same… gee, don’t know what to think. //
  
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  January 12, 2021 12:11pm
  - MCos
    
    I think they’ll be looking for a new keeper. Paines’ batting is also slipping plus he’s struggling with the captaincy.
    BTW
    Pant is no great shakes as a keeper, but those goes make mega bucks. Its the other Asian teams that are potential problems.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:00pm
    - oldfella
      
      MCos, I must admit I sometimes catch highlights of the IPL and am reminded of the absolute fortunes to be made by owners and players.
      Six IPL teams have been banned over the last 13 years – I wonder how much unseen or unreported cricketing corruption bubbles along under the surface.
      
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      January 12, 2021 4:49pm
Maggie Pie

Twitter promoting racism.

https://twitter.com/Transition46/status/1348403213200990209
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January 12, 2021 10:02am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, those squinty eyes are evident when the prompter words aren’t big enough to read. Twitter is going down, such a joyous day.
  
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  January 12, 2021 10:49am
  - oldfella
    
    Inandout: I think those squinting eyes were some kind of secret message to China. I suspect it said, ‘Where’s my cut of what you gave Hunter?’
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:19pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  The US is increasingly an apartheid state, where whites – i.e. non-people-of-colour – are treated as second class citizens, fully in line with state policy and who are exploited for the benefit of their oppressors. It’s being officially confirmed right from the horse’s mouth now.
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:40am
  - alloytoo
    
    All socialist states need an underclass.
    
    1984 needs to be read along side Brave New World.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:11pm
- oldfella
  
  Yes, Maggie. Fancy a soon-to-be US President admitting:
  “Our priority will be Black, Latino, Asian, and Native American owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild.”
  Tough if you’re a white male. Guess ‘Bribin’ Biden’ doesn’t need those votes.
  
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  January 12, 2021 12:15pm
Fletch

The liberal Kristallnacht continues…

Wall Street Banks Freeze Political Donations After Capitol Hill Riots, Threaten Pro-Trump Politicians with Blacklisting…

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/01/11/wall-street-blacklist/
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January 12, 2021 10:18am
- Batman
  
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  The free market has spoken.
  
  Turns out wall street doesn’t like being associated with actual Nazi sympathiser groups like the GOP and MAGA.
  
  Unlike the faux “kristallnacht” bullshit line run by you fascist snowflakes. Which is very offensive to anyone who is either Jewish or had family murdered by the Nazis.
  
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  January 12, 2021 10:46am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Amazing how those “Nazi sympathizer groups” have seen surging growth in support from ethnic minorities in the US over the last four years. Batman’s propaganda lines are stale and unconvincing.
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:08am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Isn’t it sad how easily the Batmans of the world can be conditioned and controlled, manoeuvred and manipulated. Someone, anyone can just point at some unknown random nobody and yell “ALT RIGHT!” or “WHITE SUPREMACIST!” or “NAZI SYMPATHISER!” and the cogs and gears in their brains will just stop turning and lock in place. No further thought process or critical thinking engaged or active. It’s almost like a magic spell, modern sorcery.
      
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      January 12, 2021 12:14pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Alternatively, for entirely altruisric reasons Wall St just prefers to pay the politicians currently in power.
    
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    January 12, 2021 12:51pm
  - Juliet2554
    
    are you a socialist? I believe you’re on the wrong forum then.
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:55pm
    - Batman
      
      I’m a libertarian who believes in the rule of law, social liberalism, and wide-access democracy.
      
      Neither of which apply to you, with your adoration of a fascistic regime and conspiracy theories.
      
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      January 12, 2021 3:42pm
  - NoFax
    
    You do know that the your screen is not a window.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:57pm
- SB2
  
  Fletch,” The only history there is the history you don’t know!
  
  Harry Truman
  
  Willful ignorance on your part
  
  https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/kristallnacht
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    ” The only history there is the history you don’t know!
    
    I am damn sure Harry S. Truman never made that “quote. (sic)
    
    Have you even read what you wrote?
    
    Here’s a BIG clue….. It doesn’t make grammatical sense.
    
    Try saying it out aloud….. Do you really think Truman spouted such a mismush of a “sentence”?
    
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    January 12, 2021 3:59pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s supposed to be: “The only thing new in the world is the history you do not know.”
      
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      January 12, 2021 4:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Now that was pretty easy to copy accurately, wasn’t it?
        
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        January 12, 2021 5:57pm
    - SB2
      
      MW, I did off pat but MM thanks for the correction!
      
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      January 12, 2021 7:15pm
Fletch

Superman’s quandary….

https://www.arcamax.com/newspics/204/20453/2045356.gif
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January 12, 2021 10:24am
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Andrew Torba (GAB)
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January 12, 2021 10:35am
- Inandout
  
  RW, as the Bat says, the free market has spoken. I love capitalism and the choice it gives.
  
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  January 12, 2021 10:53am
Batman

Remember how some of us noted that Giuliani was connected to Russian Agents and the Trump disciples here said it was bullshit?

We great news lads! Here is the reckoning for you

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/us-sanctions-ukraine-officials-linked-to-giuliani-ally-for-meddling-in-2020-election.html
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January 12, 2021 11:09am
Brian McDonald

Just peachy?

https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/documents/ARTICLES%20-%20Final%201030%20-%20011121.pdf
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January 12, 2021 11:10am
- Maggie Pie
  
  It will NEVER happen.
  
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  January 12, 2021 11:26am
  - Harriet
    
    Crazy Nancy and the Democrats are shit scared of Trump — more so the fact he can run again.
    
    Why else would they be attacking someone who will be leaving in just a few days?
    
    Because it deflects from the topic of ballot fraud, and the fact they don’t then want to face Trump in 24. The same reason they have put Cruz front and center to hate upon.
    
    Crazy Nancy is forgetting that the Republicans are the winners — if they all keep their cool and explain the problems now descending upon the US — because the Republicans aren’t as crazy as Nancy or Donald!
    
    Fuck she is ignorant. 😎
    
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    January 12, 2021 11:40am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And where is Nancy today. Why didn’t she show up for work?
      
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      January 12, 2021 12:24pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Fuck she is ignorant.
      Second opinion not necessary. It’s confirmed. Chief lunatic now runs the asylum.
      
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      January 12, 2021 1:06pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      If you can’t work out why he’s being “attacked” as you called it – then you are part of the problem.
      
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      January 12, 2021 2:21pm
    - Stu2
      
      The dems would be delighted if he stood again – they would win automatically
      
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      January 12, 2021 2:31pm
Fletch

Twitter has lost $5 billion in market value after banning Trump and their shares have dropped by 12%

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/twitter-stock-price-president-donald-trump-permanently-banned-tweeting-2021-1-1029946778

Added together with thousands jumping ship to other platforms. Gab added 600,000 new users in one day yesterday.
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January 12, 2021 11:26am
- oldfella
  
  Fletch, didn’t see this coming. I hope more world leaders weigh in and pummel Twitter for its blatant attempt to silence free speech and gag the leader of the free world.
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  German Chancellor Angela Merkel blasted Twitter’s decision to ban U.S. President Donald Trump.
  “The right to freedom of opinion is of fundamental importance,” Steffen Seibert, Merkel’s chief spokesman, told reporters in Berlin on Monday, according to Reuters.
  “Given that, the chancellor considers it problematic that the president’s accounts have been permanently suspended.”
  Seibert said that, while Twitter was right to flag Trump’s inaccurate tweets about the election, banning his account altogether was a step too far.
  
  https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2021/01/11/donald-trumps-twitter-account-receives-unexpected-defender/
  
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  January 12, 2021 12:35pm
  - SB2
    
    That must you wonder coming from the Chancellor usually despised by Trump supporters as a snowflake leftie?
    
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    January 12, 2021 1:10pm
- Biscuit
  
  Selective quoting, Fletch.
  
  I own a fair few Twitter shares, bought at $US 37.70 a fair few years back.
  
  Today’s Close: $US 48.18 per share
  Fall: $US3.30 (6.41%)
  
  I can ‘stand’ a minor blip…
  
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  January 12, 2021 3:59pm
  - NoFax
    
    Eventually all companies fail – this might be the start for Twitter.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:58pm
    - curry4me
      
      NoFax: Couldn’t happen to a nicer company if, and when it does.
      
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      January 12, 2021 6:25pm
    - SB2
      
      Ford, Chysler, Microsoft, Hewlett Packard, Boeing Apple..the list is endless.
      
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      January 12, 2021 6:58pm
Juliet2554

Where is Nancy Pelosi? She didnt show up to work today?
Where is her laptop? Oh that’s right. The military have it!
The capitol police requested the national guard show up last Wednesday. Congress + senate declined them.
Gosh.
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January 12, 2021 12:08pm
Juliet2554

I cant believe some of you are encouraging cancel culture. I think you need to pick up a history book.
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January 12, 2021 12:09pm
kevn

Trumps huge parting gift is showing the big social media for what they really are. Intrusive, controlling and politically motivated.
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January 12, 2021 12:22pm
Maggie Pie

My partner works closely with Customs. They’re the first to admit that they probably only detect and seize about 10% of the Meth that comes across our boarder from Chynaa.

And probably the same with ‘Bird Nest’ 🙁

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1348770565155418116
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January 12, 2021 12:31pm
- SB2
  
  MP, the point you’re trying to make other than an obsession with “Chynna”
  
  BTW do link your posts on GAB from time to time.
  
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  January 12, 2021 1:06pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not at this stage. But you can find me on FB, Twitter, Instagram and Tinder.
    
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    January 12, 2021 1:23pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Perhaps a mod can explain why my comment which was virtually exactly the same was deleted yet this one went through.
      
      Perhaps also an explanation as to why Batman is permitted to called a poster an A Hole which I thought constituted personal abuse.
      
      [It’s deleted now – some posters get more leniency because they give as good as they get, and don’t go all whiny at the occasional bit of abuse. There are however limits, and DPF is the final arbiter. Mod.]
      
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      January 12, 2021 8:43pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Thanks for the reply, although not really an answer.
        
        Are you saying that I am “whiny” because apart from objecting to targeted deletions I cannot recall “whining” at any comment and I believe that prior to heavy handed moderation I was quite capable of handling any and all abuse 😉
        
        I am merely asking for even handed moderation.
        
        I do think that abuse has crept in in certain threads but hey, “let’s do this”.
        
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        January 12, 2021 10:37pm
Nickc2

Australia improves it’s lamb for local consumption.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/01/theyre-back-this-years-lamb-ad-is-a-huge-improvement.html
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January 12, 2021 12:35pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

A buddy in the US sent me this….For a small amount of perspective at this moment, imagine you were born in 1900. When you are 14, World War I starts, and ends on your 18th birthday with 22 million people killed. Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until you are 20. Fifty million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.
When you’re 29, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, global GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy. When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet.
When you’re 41, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war and the Holocaust kills six million. At 52, the Korean War starts and five million perish.
At 64 the Vietnam War begins, and it doesn’t end for many years. Four million people die in that conflict. Approaching your 62nd birthday you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, could well have ended. Great leaders prevented that from happening.
As you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends. Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How do you survive all of that? A kid in 1985 didn’t think their 85 year old grandparent understood how hard school was. Yet those grandparents (and now great grandparents) survived through everything listed above.
Perspective is an amazing art. Let’s try and keep things in perspective. Let’s be smart, help each other out, and we will get through all of this. In the history of the world, there has never been a storm that lasted. This too, shall pass.
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January 12, 2021 12:55pm
- Inandout
  
  Old M, you must hate and cancel careers, this is Biden’s ‘inclusiveness’.
  
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  January 12, 2021 1:35pm
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    Inandout – sorry, I dont understand your comment.
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:55pm
    - Inandout
      
      OM, sorry wrong reply.
      
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      January 12, 2021 4:05pm
- emmess
  
  With the way things are going, if you are a kid you will be able to write the same thing in a several decades that will just as bad or worse.
  
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  January 12, 2021 1:39pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Kids don’t write – get with the program. Many of them can barely read, and never read a book.
    
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    January 12, 2021 3:19pm
- Tall Man
  
  My mother was born in 1918 and I often had similar thoughts about all the shit she had to endure.
  
  Still, we’ve got covid, the worst disease mankind has ever faced ……. so far but wait, there’s more … covid 2021 is already here.
  
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  January 12, 2021 1:51pm
  - Inandout
    
    TM, if she was around from 1918 to the late forties she could have died from a simple infection. Then there was polio. We have a lot to be thankful to white scientists for these wonder drugs. Damn the basement dwelling haters.
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:14pm
- Juliet2554
  
  as a kid born in 1985, my great grandma was born in 1900. I am well aware of how much easier my generation has had it.
  
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  January 12, 2021 2:57pm
Maggie Pie

Just listened to ZB news,
Can anyone tell me where the f–k is….FANGA PAR ROWER ?
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January 12, 2021 1:09pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, or the WAI TOMATO harbour.
  
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  January 12, 2021 1:33pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Or the more tortured Why-tea-mat-tar.
    
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    January 12, 2021 3:04pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Not far from At Tea or Rowing
  
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  January 12, 2021 1:36pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Drop Fanga Dan a line, he’ll know…
  https://www.fangadan.com/
  
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  January 12, 2021 2:14pm
- greybeard
  
  I have heard , on NewstalkZB, of somewhere up north called
  “Fong-GAR-Ray”
  ( The “GAR” bit being stressed ).
  Now I lived there for many years, and everyone ( maori included ) never called it anything but “Wongaray”.
  
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  January 12, 2021 3:17pm
  - Inandout
    
    I lived up there as well and as a kid the older Maori guys would say fWhangarei, the ‘f’ a very soft sound. The Maori language wasn’t harsh sounding like the broadcasters say, and I wonder if they deliberately emphasise the FARRR.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:12pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      That’s my recollection too of how my old neighbour and friend who grew up in Whangaruru used to say it.
      
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      January 12, 2021 5:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Does not always work that way though. The Air Force base is Whenuapai. When noo a pie sounds silly
      
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      January 12, 2021 5:26pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Very close to FUNGA-PARA-OWER I believe
  
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  January 12, 2021 3:20pm
lifesgood

I heard on Radio NZ news today that if impeached Trump would be the first US president to have been impeached twice. What am I missing? I thought the dirty dems first attempt at impeachment failed.
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January 12, 2021 1:17pm
- cmm
  
  Impeaching is basically equivalent to prosecution.
  
  It does not mean the person was found guilty.
  
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  January 12, 2021 2:30pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Impeachment is the process, and has a guilty or not guilty verdict. Like being indicted for a crime. The indictment still stands irrespective of the verdict.
  
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  January 12, 2021 2:32pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Twice would say quite a lot about the current crop of Democrats too. I hope they box on, because they came out of the last one looking sooo good.
  
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  January 12, 2021 3:01pm
kevn

@Maggie… Close to Fanga Tani?
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January 12, 2021 1:28pm
Fletch

Mark Levin gives a short history revision of the last 4 years and it isn’t pretty. It’s obvious that the Democrats and media excuse riots and bad behavior when it is committed by the left, and exaggerate and bad behavior by the right.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/01/11/mark-levin-media-exploiting-what-took-place-on-capitol-hill-trying-to-silence-conservatives-republicans/
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January 12, 2021 1:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

We’ve gone hard…
Late as usual….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/123924770/stricter-new-border-rules-into-new-zealand-as-covid-surges-globally

Let’s see how our dear PM spins this one
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January 12, 2021 1:48pm
- sooty
  
  She’s on holiday, no comments available!
  
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  January 12, 2021 2:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    But but but she said she has her cellphone for contact
    
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    January 12, 2021 5:28pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  What’s to spin, it’s about time.
  
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  January 12, 2021 2:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Most of the World took action (against the new strains of Covid-19) at least three weeks ago..
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55391289
    
    Some countries have been requiring a negative test pre-entry for MONTHS.
    https://www.onlinevisa.com/news/covid-19-travel-requirements/
    
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    January 12, 2021 2:58pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Seriously, Hipkins? How bloody pathetic. If you can buy passports and fake Visa requirements why can’t you buy fake covid free certificates? Just close the flipping door.
      
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      January 12, 2021 3:15pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      We probably would have taken action three weeks ago too if our wonderful, caring, kind PM wasn’t on holiday.
      Get back to work you lazy cow, there’s a crisis to fix.
      
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      January 12, 2021 3:28pm
      - MCos
        
        Says the man who hasn’t worked since 1977.
        
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        January 12, 2021 4:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        MCos, some of us don’t need to work. I don’t, but at 68 I do because I like it. If you have worked and saved then good on you
        
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        January 12, 2021 5:33pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

Sounds like the US and the other ‘5Eyes’ partners would be happy to see NZ gone.
Still, what can you expect when this government keeps kissing CCP arse.

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1348765942826868743
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January 12, 2021 2:09pm
- Juliet2554
  
  where’s our government? Seriously. They have had a huge holiday
  
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  January 12, 2021 2:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Read between the lines. Jaspinda hates the US sooo much she wants out
  
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  January 12, 2021 5:34pm
JibberJabber

Worth a read,

https://rachelstewart.substack.com/p/coastal-elites-and-rednecks?r=di943&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&utm_source=twitter

Conflict Resolution Studies 101 is about trying to take the all-important step into someone else’s shoes. Without that, everything remains unresolved. To constantly remain stuck in believing your side knows all, is right, and good, and noble is to remain uncommitted to solving the problem.

Do you honestly believe President Joe Biden will single-handedly or symbolically be able to heal the Grand Canyon-sized rift? It’s going to take a massive haemorrhoid-inducing effort by the citizenry to bring the country back to some semblance of togetherness. But they have to want it. They have to want relief. They have to want to be good winners too.

My belief is strong on this. Until the American left – including media, academia and cultural institutions – start at least attempting in good faith to get a handle on the history, the frustrations, and the culture of their ‘enemies’, things will only worsen unimaginably.

Gotta say it’s been a hell of a year, found myself agreeing with a hell of a lot of people I normally wouldn’t agree with and vice versa.😀
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January 12, 2021 2:12pm
Fletch

You can watch the video by Rudy Giuliani that YouTube banned over at Rumble now.

https://rumble.com/vcmgnr-what-really-happened-on-january-6th-rudy-giuliani-ep.-101.html
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January 12, 2021 2:27pm
kevn

@Maggie… Who are we going to call? Not very clever giving our friends the flick. Very casually at that. We need international relationship skills not suckup to CCP.
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January 12, 2021 3:09pm
- alloytoo
  
  I fear our PM has a very limited understanding of our Geopolitical position.
  
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  January 12, 2021 4:17pm
  - sooty
    
    I think she knows we are at the bottom of the world. Or I hope so!
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:30pm
  - kevn
    
    @alloy… she has sold NZ out in this instance.
    
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    January 12, 2021 5:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She knows ‘downunder’ But downunder what?????
    
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    January 12, 2021 5:35pm
Juliet2554

I woke at 5am last Thursday to watch the protest at Washington Monument. Trump tweeted that he would be speaking at 11 am. He was super late to speak – maybe 40 minutes?
I watched the speech & was also on twitter. As trump was finishing his speech, I saw tweets from an independent journalist that people were invading the capitol. The capitol is a 30 minute walk from Washington Monument.
I can confirm these details from newsmax are correct-

12:40 pm – 1st protesters arrive at Capitol
1pm – Capitol PD Chief sees Officers attacked
1:09 pm Capitol PD Chief requests National Guard
1:11 pm Trump speech concludes

Remember Capitol & Monument are a 30 minute walk away.
SO how did Trump cause this? Why was he 30 minutes late for his speech? Looks like the work of ANTIFA? Also why werent ANTIFA at the protest? They were saying all over twitter they were coming. Not hard to dress in Trump supporter clothes & impersonate them…
Time will tell. Again remember Capitol Police asked Senate & Congress for national guard. they were declined.
Wonder what’s on Nancy’s laptop that the military have? She runs the capitol police & congress.
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January 12, 2021 3:15pm
- Batman
  
  So you haven’t considered that some people were eager beavers (like the Oath Keepers) and were there earlier to try and gain access?
  
  Instead, it must be the international super-soldiers Antifa?
  
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  January 12, 2021 4:00pm
  - Juliet2554
    
    well Trump hadnt told them to go to the capitol until the very end. SO impossible.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:07pm
- RichardX
  
  Juliet2554
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  Remember Capitol & Monument are a 30 minute walk away.
  
  At less than 2km, depending on exact start and finish points used, less than 30 minutes walk. I’ve certainly done it in less.
  
  Again remember Capitol Police asked Senate & Congress for national guard. they were declined.
  
  Only the President, or through delegated authority the Secretary of Defence, can call out the DC National Guard.
  Senate & Congress to not have the authority so the Capitol Police would not have asked them.
  
  Wonder what’s on Nancy’s laptop that the military have?
  
  Unsubstantiated claim
  
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  January 12, 2021 4:13pm
Maggie Pie

Had to larf. My partner just txt to say that he’d been down at The Grand Harbour with a client for ‘Yum Cha’.
He said the waitresses bringing the plates to the table reminded him of how Joe Biden looked running on stage 😀
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January 12, 2021 3:19pm
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie. at least Joe CAN run.
  
  The Donald would burst his incontinence diapering bag if he even TRIED that…
  
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  January 12, 2021 3:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sad. Of course Joe can run – he has done sweet fuck all for 47 years so he did not wear his body out.
    The Don is on the go all the time.
    When did you last see Biden welcoming home US military personal coffins at 3am in the morning?
    Your comment is plain nasty, but I did not reports you
    
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    January 12, 2021 5:40pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Erm, Steve, ‘The Don’ is the Pres and gets to do the sad duty you detail, given that the Pres is the Commander In Chief
      
      Biden, until now, has never been Pres.
      
      If he had arrived at an airport at 3am (which heh, is ALWAYS ‘in the morning, if you’ll forgive my gentle jibe there!) he’d have been lambasted for ‘politicing’.
      
      Soz that I offended you … but I always remember that ‘The Don’ got deferral on Vietnam War service becuase of ‘bone spurs’, something that doesn’t seem to have troubled him since … and certainly not on his many-hundreded visits to a golf course as Pres.
      
      Hope we can agree to disagree, heh.
      
      And, who knows, maybe in a year or so, I’ll become as anti-Biden as I am anti-Trump right now.
      
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      January 12, 2021 6:38pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner was the one that came up with ‘CHINA JOE’ when he saw him doing that soft-shoe-shuffle up to the mic.
    Reckoned he looked like he had Chinese foot bindings 😛
    
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    January 12, 2021 6:02pm
Loddenthinks

I see the ugly Australians are at it again – didn’t take very long for the “new culture” to wear off and the mongrels to revert to type.

Referring to their cricket side, captained by the worst wicket-keeper (and, by all accounts, the worst sledger) of all time, Tim Paine who sledged the Indians batting to save (or win) the third test.

He not only used a tired old line first tried against Virat Kohli years ago (“at least my team-mates like me, dickhead”) against Ravi Ashwin, he then proceeded to drop 3 catches behind the wicket – one of them poached of first slip who would almost certainly have caught it.

And this is the Captain who was wheeled out when the last one – Steve Smith – was banned for cheating. The same Steve Smith who went out in the break and scuffed up the marks of the Indian batsmen to make it harder for them to settle after the break. He had one job – remove the ugly Australian tag – and he’s made it worse. Muppets the lot of them.
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January 12, 2021 3:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Cue the Yellow Fever chant: “Same old Aussies, always cheating”
  
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  January 12, 2021 3:32pm
- Biscuit
  
  Did you see this Loddenthinks:
  
  Match Referee: David Boon (Australia)
  
  Okay, I guess Covid has prevented neutral officials but really…
  
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  January 12, 2021 3:39pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    He’s actually a pretty good MR, based on previous rulings and how he handles things. Might be a bit of poacher-turned-gamekeeper going on there.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:37pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Lest Mr Boon be bristling his Mo at me, I agree with you there re his usual control.
      
      But not a good look…
      
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      January 12, 2021 4:53pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Loddenthinks:
  
  I read this account of the exchange between Tim Paine and Ravi Ashwin:
  
  The conversation started as friendly banter, with Paine telling Ashwin, “I can’t wait for you to get to the Gabba”, referring to the fourth Test in Brisbane, where Australia has not lost since 1988.
  
  The Indian veteran responded: “Just like we want to get you to India. It’ll be your last series.”
  
  If the exchange had ended there, it would’ve been 1:0 to Ashwin. Unfortunately, the exchange didn’t end there, and Paine made his silly “dickhead” comment.
  
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  January 12, 2021 4:15pm
  - MCos
    
    Not even funny.
    Unlike one from years ago when Glen McGrath said to one of the Windies batsmen.
    ‘What does Lara’s dick taste like?’
    who replied
    ‘Ask your wife’
    Apparently it took a few minutes for calm to be restored.
    
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    January 12, 2021 10:55pm
Batman

MAGA terrorism – beating up Police edition

‘They Got a Officer!’: How a Mob Dragged and Beat Police at the Capitol https://nyti.ms/3sohFUH
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January 12, 2021 3:36pm
- Fletch
  
  Would this be Nancy’s Capitol police that led/let protesters into the building?
  
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  January 12, 2021 3:57pm
  - Batman
    
    It’s actually it Nancy’s Capitol Police. It is overseen by both Houses. Here’s some info: https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight
    
    And apparently the Sargeants at arms of both Houses declined further reinforcement because of the optics of it, following the overreaction of federal agencies (at Trump’s behest) back in the summer.
    
    Both of those officials have been asked to resign by Pelosi and McConnell.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:05pm
  - Juliet2554
    
    Certainly is. They did let them in. I have saved a whole lot of videos on my phone. Tech has removed these videos off the internet.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:09pm
    - RichardX
      
      You’d better watch out. Tech can remove them from your phone then where would you be?
      You’re better off with an air gapped computer, off the grid, otherwise they can still get to you.
      //
      
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      January 12, 2021 5:23pm
- Juliet2554
  
  and how many officers were killed by BLM? Washington DC was burning for months.
  
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  January 12, 2021 4:09pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well, how many?
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:58pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Well if you don’t know Mike, I guess she was not asking you ……
      
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      January 12, 2021 5:43pm
      - SB2
        
        Steve Otto(North Shore), do you know?
        
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        January 12, 2021 7:09pm
- NoFax
  
  You are selective in your outrage over political violence Batman. Therefore, you support violence if it suits your side. You are a partisan hack that I can’t take serious.
  
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  January 12, 2021 5:01pm
  - Batman
    
    I condemned the violence in the summer.
    
    However, it was nowhere near as serious as the terrorist attack on the seat of democratic governance. They arrived prepared with radios, maps, rally points, cable ties, and one group built a fucking gallows and noose.
    
    So yes I am more annoyed at that, than a bunch of silly white kids from the suburbs thinking they’re cool and edgy because they smashed a few windows of empty federal buildings after dinner with Mommy and Daddy.
    
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    January 12, 2021 5:15pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      WHAAAT ??? Utter bulshit.
      
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      January 12, 2021 7:29pm
Biscuit

Boy, Bill Belichick has promoted himself HUGELY in my eyes:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/bill-belichick-presidential-medal-of-freedom-spt-trnd/index.html
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January 12, 2021 3:37pm
Alan Wilkinson

In other news Dutch customs are now confiscating truckee’s lunches because Brexit. Meat and dairy now need import licences. Welcome to EU lunacy. They’ll have to eat earlier and faster.
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January 12, 2021 3:37pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  … and be careful not to throw up.
  
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  January 12, 2021 3:51pm
  - sooty
    
    On the customs inspectors shiny shoes!
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:26pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  How did you expect the Europeans to treat the English after all the trouble the Brexiteers have caused?
  
  Bungling Boris de Pfeffel Brexit Bollocks is a conman. Brexit was never more than an attempt to stop toffs like Jacob Stick-Insect whingeing.
  
  Tell me, will this streak of weasel piss bring his hedge fund back from Ireland?
  
  To add insult to injury, the vast majority changed their minds – wanted to remain – when they realised what a mad idea Brexit was.
  
  Why no final referendum on the reality of Brexit – if the whole exercise was to give people what they wanted?
  
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  January 12, 2021 5:23pm
  - James Stephenson
    
    Utter utter bollocks. The majority of ordinary English people have been anti-EU for decades.
    
    The idea that people had changed their minds is a remoaner fantasy, if anything the behaviour of the EU through the negotations had hardened attitudes. You only have to look at Labour’s annihilation in their pro-Brexit heartlands to see that.
    
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    January 12, 2021 7:42pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Utter nonsense. The recent polls show clearly the penny dropped, eventually.
      
      For goodness sake man, Boris had to sack all the decent Tories and replace them with nincompoops.
      
      The old foggies have robbed the young of their future.
      
      Labour? Nobody could stomach voting for Jeremy Nincompoop and Boris is great liar.
      
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      January 12, 2021 10:46pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        The small flaw in your argument is that Boris got a landslide majority for Brexit and your lot got shown the door.
        
        And now he has negotiated a decent deal that has left the vanquished showing their petulant idiocy by confiscating lunches. If you think that will do anything for your cause you are in La La Land.
        
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        January 13, 2021 7:52am
      - Doc Holliday
        
        @Alan Wilkinson.
        
        Decent deal? Total tosh! In the end Boris realised the touted “No deal is better than a bad deal” was bollocks.
        
        Boris capitulated. The EU handed him a 1248 page instruction manual of how the UK is to behave.
        
        The UK does not have “free” trade. Ask the poor blighters trying to import/export.
        
        The UK has lost its automatic right to sell financial services – 80% of its GDP – into the EU.
        
        There is a border with the EU in the Irish Sea.
        
        It’s hopeless.
        
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        January 13, 2021 8:19am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Haha! Bungling Boris de Pfeffel Brexit Bollocks! Jacob Stick-Insect – brilliant!
    
    Vast majority undone by voting for something they didn’t want – hilarious!
    
    John Key should’ve employed you as his campaign adviser on the flag referendum. Don’t like the first referendum result? Simples! Just have another “final” referendum on “the reality” of staying with the same flag! Honestly, you couldn’t make this stuff up. Oh…
    
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    January 12, 2021 8:52pm
Bob R

The Woke Dominion Post give front page coverage to racists complaining that Pharmac is hiring too many whites and Asians at the top level of the organisation. It seems the new direction racial activists are taking is that under the Treaty Crown agencies have to hire a certain number of people based on race.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/123888625/pharmacs-lack-of-mori-staff-appalling-unacceptable-on-every-level
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January 12, 2021 3:41pm
kevn

Top marks for EU pettiness. Proves BREXIT was the only way.
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January 12, 2021 3:42pm
oldfella

Alan Dershowitz is a fairly learned mind. And a Democrat. His comment about the attempted
impeachment, and what it could mean for Trump,
is interesting:
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“The case cannot come to trial in the Senate. Because the Senate has rules and the rules would not allow the case to come to trial until, according to the majority leader, until 1 PM on January 20th an hour after President Trump leaves office. And the Constitution specifically says, “The President shall be removed from office upon impeachment.” It doesn’t say the former president. Congress has no power to impeach or try a private citizen, whether it be a private citizen named Donald Trump or named Barack Obama or anyone else.”
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January 12, 2021 3:54pm
- Batman
  
  That’s somewhat back to front.
  
  There’s nothing preventing the Senate from holding a trial even if they President is no longer in office. All it would mean is that the removal wouldn’t need to take place.
  
  But being banned from standing for any office again? That would happen.
  
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  January 12, 2021 4:17pm
  - alloytoo
    
    on matters of law…..
    
    Alan Dershowitz or masked vigilante……
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:21pm
    - Batman
      
      The Dersh hasn’t exactly been within the mainstream of the legal community over the last few years. He’s inching in the same direction as Rudi
      
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      January 12, 2021 5:06pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        And you have been? In the mainstream of the American constitutional legal community that is?
        
        I’d take Dershowitz’s opinion on the US Constitution over yours any time.
        
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        January 12, 2021 8:55pm
  - Fletch
    
    There is far more evidence to impeach Joe Biden than there is anything on Trump. Maybe Biden should be impeached before he even takes office.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:41pm
    - Batman
      
      Lol sure 🤣
      
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      January 12, 2021 5:06pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Seems to me you need a change of air.
      
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      January 12, 2021 5:12pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Well, it will be fascinating to see Biden reconcile his professed objective to unite the country with prosecuting Trump.
    
    Pelosi was always going to run another impeachment stunt just because she can, but I can’t see it going anywhere. And like last time she’ll probably hold it from going to its inevitable demise in the Senate for as long as possible.
    
    So we are going to see how Biden stands up to prolonged internal division and warfare.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:47pm
    - oldfella
      
      Frankly, Alan, I don’t think Biden will even bother trying to unite everyone. As long as his party keeps attacking Trump, it will act as a distraction from his own efforts.
      That old man has a huge job in front of him and I think he’s way past his use-by-date.
      He could become an early victim of that looming Democrat internal division and warfare which could become very bloody.
      
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      January 12, 2021 5:00pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Man you have a weird view of right and wrong.
      
      Suits you though.
      
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      January 12, 2021 5:08pm
  - Inandout
    
    Bat, Trump won’t care about going back to the WH, he can create delicious mischief from his new blog.
    
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    January 12, 2021 4:47pm
    - Batman
      
      He craves the limelight and attention of a Presidential campaign, there is no spotlight brighter.
      
      He’s a moth to a flame.
      
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      January 12, 2021 5:07pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Yes, he’ll be back and Democrats trying to stop him will just be seen as anti-democratic attempts to usurp the rights of voters to choose their candidates and government.
        
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        January 12, 2021 5:21pm
      - cha
        
        Trump’s debts come due in the next few years.
        
        Deutche Bank has kicked him to touch, no other bank will touch him, his name is mud and and his value to the Russian oligarchy has cratered.
        
        Can’t wait to hear how this is spun as brilliant 5D chess.
        
        Two of Donald Trump’s favored banks are pulling away from the billionaire president in the wake of last week’s deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol.
        
        Deutsche Bank AG has decided to refrain from further business with Trump and his company, said a person with knowledge of the matter, asking not to be identified because the deliberations were confidential. Trump owes the Frankfurt-based lender more than $300 million.
        
        And Signature Bank, the New York lender that’s long catered to his family, said it’s cutting ties while it presses for his resignation. Signature is closing two personal accounts in which Trump held about $5.3 million, a spokesperson for the firm said on Monday.
        
        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-12/trump-s-long-favored-banks-pull-back-amid-fallout-from-d-c-riot
        
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        January 12, 2021 5:40pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        cha. So you think a debt of $305.5 million is an issue, against assets of somewhere around $10billion or way more?
        You have no financial acumen.
        
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        January 12, 2021 7:35pm
- curry4me
  
  oldfella: Yes, the Dersh is a decent bloke.
  
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  January 12, 2021 6:39pm
- tf78
  
  oldfella – I saw him on Hanity this afternoon. Nice to hear the ‘real’ rule of law.
  
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  January 12, 2021 10:24pm
kevn

Trump going… somewhere. Still won’t make for happy demo’s. Doomed to be unsatisfied about everything forever.
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January 12, 2021 4:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Going to check the wall – just to fuck the media off LOL
  
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  January 12, 2021 5:46pm
WaynelSexton

Anyone know if a hurricane or a tornado is forecasted for Washington DC?

“The President’s action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-approves-district-columbia-emergency-declaration/

#Storm
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January 12, 2021 4:51pm
- Batman
  
  Nice to see you’re being more open with your Q beliefs, Wayne.
  
  As to the executive order, sadly for you guys it’s a procedural measure to enable health measures to be put in place given DC is not a state and so doesn’t have the same powers to put in place such rules.
  
  Cheerio, it’s beer o’clock!
  
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  January 12, 2021 5:10pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Good heavens. I upticked you – what’s the world coming to 😆 😆
    
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    January 12, 2021 7:37pm
  - MFD
    
    “Cheerio, it’s beer o’clock!”
    
    So what’s your beer of choice this evening?
    
    I have just finished a rather pleasant Emerson’s American Graffiti. Devoped a real appreciation for APAs while living in the US.
    
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    January 12, 2021 8:16pm
Fletch

The liberal Kristallnacht purge continues…

Gun website dumped by their host.
https://therightscoop.com/breaking-godaddy-dumps-gun-site-from-its-servers/

Facebook Suspends Ron Paul Following Column Criticizing Big Tech Censorship
https://fee.org/articles/facebook-suspends-ron-paul-following-column-criticizing-big-tech-censorship

Facebook and Instagram to Ban All Content Containing The Phrase “Stop The Steal”
https://nationalfile.com/breaking-facebook-and-instagram-to-ban-all-content-containing-the-phrase-stop-the-steal/

The libs won’t brook any criticism now. No threats to their power.
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January 12, 2021 5:01pm
- Batman
  
  No, the free market has decided they don’t want to enable anti-democratic authoritarians.
  
  It’s their right as a private business.
  
  Just remember the rules around gay wedding cakes 😉
  
  Also you’re still an A-hole to use the systematic persecution of the Jews as a comparison for some extremists being told no by capitalism.
  
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  January 12, 2021 5:18pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Ron Paul is so far from an anti-democratic authoritarian that your eyesight needs attention.
    
    But the coordinated actions smell monopoly cartels rather than free market don’t you think?
    
    And the clear political partisanship would surely suggest crony capitalism to an unbiased observer?
    
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    January 12, 2021 5:29pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    So batman – you are an authority on the free market, as well as all the the other pro-Democratic garbage?
    
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    January 12, 2021 7:39pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Is personal abuse now permitted on kiwiblog? Asking for a friend.
    
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    January 12, 2021 8:05pm
Fletch

Trump still holds 48% approval rating.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jan011
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January 12, 2021 5:07pm
- Batman
  
  48 in Rasmussen is akin to 30% everywhere else 🤣🤣
  
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  January 12, 2021 5:35pm
  - herb1
    
    Does it make you feel special when you just make stuff up.?
    
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    January 12, 2021 6:26pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      BM needs all the help xe can get.
      
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      January 12, 2021 8:04pm
- MCos
  
  Who cares anymore?
  
  It’s like Australia scoring a try after the final hooter when they’re already fifty points behind the ABs.
  
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  January 12, 2021 10:40pm
Doc Holliday

Trump.

The hair has no emperor.
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January 12, 2021 5:10pm
Fletch

I see the news is full of the story about upcoming threats of violent protest at the inauguration. I reckon it’s an excuse so Biden will have a virtual inauguration because the crowds will be so thin…
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January 12, 2021 6:02pm
- Batman
  
  They’ve already said it will be virtual due to that thing which has killed 350k people under Trump’s watch.
  
  Are you sure you’re not Kayleigh McEnany?
  
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  January 12, 2021 6:13pm
  - Fletch
    
    And yet, hundreds of thousands came out at the Trump rally a few days ago, and the media aren’t concerned with that at the moment.
    
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    January 12, 2021 6:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Uptick Batman, that is funny, not to you but
    
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    January 12, 2021 7:02pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Are you sure you are a mod. You get many more downticks than upticks. I thought you were off for a beer.
    
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    January 12, 2021 8:26pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Biden just got the most votes in American history. Though Trump’s cop-bashing terrorists might deter peaceful people from attending the inauguration.
  You do know Fletch all your predictions re Trump have been wrong, maybe you need some counseling or a new pre-occupation. Idolising a man you don’t know is a bit of a worry as well. Kind of weird. You don’t think you need a blow-up Donald doll, do you?
  
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  January 12, 2021 8:22pm
  - Fletch
    
    Gimme a break. A lackluster candidate like Biden getting the most votes in history, more than Obama? No one believes that.
    
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    January 12, 2021 9:43pm
    - RichardX
      
      Still telling other people what they believe and you still haven’t told us the method by which you read their minds.
      
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      January 12, 2021 10:24pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      Are you love sick?
      
      Many sensible Republicans voted Biden to get the deranged, unhinged and totally useless Fart-Fart out.
      
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      January 12, 2021 10:56pm
    - Okahu
      
      So you say, but to the question on the floor, would a blow up Donald doll help?
      
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      January 12, 2021 11:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Expect PETA to come out in support soon.
FBI finds the ‘buffalo’ guy trying to hide with tourists.
https://babylonbee.com/news/fbi-finds-buffalo-guy-grazing-at-yellowstone-park/?
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January 12, 2021 6:11pm
Maggie Pie

We’ve just cracked open a Moet and raised a glass to 4 more years of Trumpy.

BELIEVE!
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January 12, 2021 6:46pm
- SB2
  
  A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.”
  
  ― Friedrich Nietzsche
  
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  January 12, 2021 7:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Same thing when you wander around Mt Roskill.
    
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    January 12, 2021 8:37pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The insight of syphilis, SB2.
    https://www.amacad.org/publication/syphilis-nature-nietzsches-madness
    
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    January 12, 2021 8:48pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Honestly, if you swapped out Nietzsche’s name in the last para, and inserted ‘Stephieboy’…..describes SB2 to a tee!
      
      LOL
      
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      January 12, 2021 9:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I suppose you meet all sorts on your Ward rounds, Maggie Pie.
        
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        January 12, 2021 9:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Batman is lookin for a huge diversion to that. All you say is ‘4 more years’ and it starts.
  Great troll, hook line and sinker and most of his arm LOL.
  Batman, up your game
  
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  January 12, 2021 7:07pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Good on you Maggie – that’ll be 2024 to 2028. I’ll raise my Spiced Canadian Club over heaps of ice. 🙂
  
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  January 12, 2021 7:43pm
Maggie Pie

A friend of my partner retweets…..

‘Take a look at this fat sicko and tell me what good he is to society’ ?

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1348855613326032898
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January 12, 2021 6:59pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  LOL!! The first 2 responses were ‘downtickers
  What does that tell you about them? Dirty bast*rds.
  
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  January 12, 2021 7:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

BREAKING!!!
Trump supporters are now banned from owning pidgins in case they start communicating with each other. Just remember shitheads – been used since before 1933?? or well before. Can’t find history books, all burnt
Yah, on GB tomorrow and watch the spinners
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January 12, 2021 7:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Wish they’d do something similar here Steve..
  Some retard must own a loft close to us. The stinking things have been coming here shitting all over the copper roof on our conservatory. Sets as hard as a rock and almost impossible to remove….even with oven cleaner and a paint scrapper.
  
  Any suggestions?
  
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  January 12, 2021 7:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Shouldn’t be too difficult to figure out with your name
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/509058746035609600/pDqJlin_.png
    
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    January 12, 2021 7:27pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Well pluck me! ;P
      
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      January 12, 2021 7:35pm
      - sooty
        
        Hand grenade, chucked on the roof, while roosting!
        But then you will have to lean all the blood off while wet.
        Fix holes aswell!
        
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        January 12, 2021 8:41pm
    - tf78
      
      MW – that’s a major “made you look you dirty chook!” moment. Ah the good old days eh!
      
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      January 12, 2021 9:58pm
  - MFD
    
    Any suggestions?
    
    Hunt down the owner of the pidgin (sic) loft.
    Call them a retard to their face.
    Suffer the consequences.
    
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    January 12, 2021 8:53pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Pigeon English!
  
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  January 12, 2021 7:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Surprise, surprise..

No Labour Hui at Ratana

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/434411/no-politicians-at-ratana-in-2021-as-celebrations-made-exclusive-for-church-adherents
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January 12, 2021 9:48pm
- SB2
  
  Who cares?
  
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  January 13, 2021 1:18pm
Alan Wilkinson

Could anyone think this sentence is reasonable?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/123923230/months-of-beatings-ended-when-woman-played-dead-to-stop-partners-assault
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January 13, 2021 7:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Sentence is not sensible, especially as Thomas Huata was beating the woman up (repeatedly) whilst he was on parole for an unprovoked shooting.
  
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