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Scott

The most disturbing aspect of the huge crowd that marched on Washington last week was the reaction of the left and the big tech companies that are using it to now silence conservative voices. Sen Josh Hawley has a book out about the tyranny of big tech. Because of his support for the protesters Simon & Schuster have decided not to publish his book. Interestingly enough at the same time Twitter has stopped the account of the President of the United States. So has Facebook. So has Instagram.

Don’t worry you say, they can go on other platforms. Well one of those other platforms is Parler, but big tech has destroyed that too! They have been deplatformed by Apple and others.

Don’t worry you say, they are a private business, they can decide who they will provide services to. Well, what if the New Zealand Herald decided that they were no longer going to cover Judith Collins and any of her press statements? What if Spark said, “we are no longer going to provide telecommunication services to Act supporters because David Seymour does not support the government’s stance on Covid and he is putting all New Zealanders at risk”??

Interestingly enough in North Korea you have only one choice of provider. You have a radio in every household that is permanently on and cannot be turned off. That radio will broadcast a wake-up call when the government determines you should wake-up and then a constant stream of government propaganda.
In America you have a parallel development of a few small elitist businessmen in charge of tech companies who will decide what you can see and what you can hear. So for example if you wanted to hear about Hunter Biden’s laptop, you were going to have difficulty because that story was squelched by all of the big tech companies and all of the mainstream media who simply refused to cover it.
Right now today if you tweet anything about “stop the steal”, referring to the 2020 presidential election, your tweet will be deleted.

Google is no better. They are a provider of a search engine that is meant to learn your preferences and provide access to information based on those preferences. I find whenever I Google anything about American politics all I get on my search results are stories from the Washington post, the New York Times, CNN and the Guardian of all places!. I never ever click on any of those sites as sources of news. Fortunately thanks to my bookmarks I can review my favourite sites for information. But Google will not take me there. Why is that? Because Google wants to minimise conservative voices and to amplify the views of the globalist elite.

North Korea has no choice about its government. But free citizens in the West do have a choice. It would be a shame if we use that choice to move more and more towards a Socialist state where there is no free speech and only views approved by our globalist big tech overlords will be allowed.
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January 13, 2021 8:01am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Being a private organisation means the first amendment doesn’t apply. But they are discriminating based on political opinion in the provision of goods and services. That’s illegal in NZ and some states of the U.S. but not prohibited by federal law. They are not legally in the clear.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:12am
  - Jimmy White
    
    It’s different when the left say it.
    Michael Beller: “In these times, which are unique — I mean Trump — Trump is close to Hitler.”
    Journalist: “What are you going to do if we [Democrats] don’t win?”
    Beller: “Go to the White House and throw Molotov cocktails.”
    
    Then, Beller targeted the children of Republican voters.
    “They’ll [Trump supporters] be raising a generation of intolerant, horrible people – horrible kids,” Beller said.
    “We go for all the Republican voters and Homeland Security will take their children away…we’ll put them into the re-education camps,” he said.
    “Enlightenment camps. They’re nice.
    
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    January 13, 2021 8:38am
    - kowtow
      
      I take it twatter has deplatformed him too //
      
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      January 13, 2021 9:22am
      - Jimmy White
        
        He was lead Council for the US ‘Public Broadcasting Service’ and on Biden’s election team. Wonders will never cease as about five hours ago they fired him for ‘Inciting Violence’
        
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        January 13, 2021 10:32am
      - curry4me
        
        kowtow: He’s been fired.
        
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        January 13, 2021 12:50pm
    - Matt Long
      
      “Enlightenment camps” also known as union controlled state schools.
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:55am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    We must understand that Big Tech, while listed on the stock exchange, operate as proxies for a government department. The State cannot breach the 1st Amendment, but an ostensibly private company can. Make no mistake, it is effectively the established State apparatus that has banned Trump and is silencing and purging right wing opinion from social media.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:46am
- peterwn
  
  “Well, what if the New Zealand Herald decided that they were no longer going to cover Judith Collins and any of her press statements?”
  Nothing new here – pretty well happens already. Like the radio jock who did not like what Simon Bridges was saying so turned off the microphone Simon was using.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:17am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
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    Nobody wants to cover Judith Collins any way. So what is the big deal?
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:16am
  - david
    
    Can you name the jock?
    
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    January 13, 2021 3:04pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Freedom of speech is not a compulsion to listen.
  
  I mean, I read your comments for a laugh.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:55am
  - Harriet
    
    Well here’s a pile on for you lefties for a laugh:
    
    Freedom of speech is being restricted in the entire interconnected world as the US civil war is now in reality civilizational.
    Conservatives support for future generations –universal human rights — this is what we fucken do.
    
    Stand in Trump or my way while we are defending women and children – then face the consequences of you trans still having to make difficult real world choices; you are either on the right side or the wrong side when dealing with Chinese communists, as we are going to stop dealing with China until they release Muslims from detention.
    
    That’s if all your rhetoric about Australian detention centers and 51 muslim lives means anything at all to you.
    
    As adults when you run a slumber party you get your gear off. Labour has no clothes. 😎
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:47am
- Philview
  
  Melanie Phillips has provided a good article on what the Democrats are up to.
  
  https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/a-president-for-all-americans-who
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:08am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Scott really, really does not like a free market.
  Don’t like a newspaper of web site because it won’t publish nutty stuff you want to read? Well, don’t buy that newspaper or use that website.
  These companies a free to make commercial decisions, and can succeed or fail based on those decisions. None of them have a monopoly on publishing ideas, and there is no monopoly of tech platforms that the lesser-hinged have access to.
  
  It would be much different if a government (like Trump’s buddy Kim) was suppressing speech, but there is nothing preventing Scott from accessing the batty ideas he is receptive to, like young-earth creationism.
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:12am
  - amospicton
    
    Radio NZ and TVNZ Mike? Publicly owned and completely partisan. How do you feel about that or is it OK when the left do it?
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well, they are not partisan. Some folk perceive them to be, but that’s a function of their distorted view of the world.
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:33am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    It’s nowhere near that simple. Apple and Google do effectively control access to content. If Chorus decided to disable the phone and internet of all Green party supporters I doubt you would still be talking about the freedom of companies to make commercial decisions.
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:50am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It is that simple, because no company, or group of companies, has that power, or anything close to it.
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:12am
      - amospicton
        
        They do Mike. Apple, Google, Twitter and Facebook with Amazon’s AWS essentially control social media in the west. They are using monopoly powers to impose their views. It may well be that you agree with their view but surely you can understand that is not appropriate.
        
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        January 13, 2021 10:26am
  - James Stephenson
    
    It’s not a free market when the mobile device Duopoly (Apple and Google) act in concert with the dominant server provider (AWS) to protect Twitter’s monopoly in the microblogging market.
    
    This is a cartel and it is absolutely illegal.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:00am
    - James Stephenson
      
      It you want to know more about the Parler vs Amazon law suit, Viva Frei explains (20 minutes and well worth it)
      
      https://youtu.be/HFp5E7akgy8
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:05am
      - IC5000
        
        Why don’t Parler just buy their own servers and infrastructure like Gab have done? Then its users can engage in inflammatory rhetoric and plan more acts of domestic terrorism without repercussions.
        
        Oh wait thats not true
        
        https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/us-passenger-put-on-no-fly-list-after-participating-in-us-capitol-riots/news-story/aef3fb4f65e58d68ab00ff64294802f1
        
        Gotta love the tears of a trumpist domestic terrorist bejng held to account.
        
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        January 13, 2021 10:49am
      - scrubone
        
        Good video.
        
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        January 13, 2021 4:21pm
    - alloytoo
      
      IC5000 why isn’t Amazon suspending Twitter for the same reasons as Parler?
      
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      January 13, 2021 1:25pm
      - IC5000
        
        > IC5000 why isn’t Amazon suspending Twitter
        
        Just emailed Jeff Bezos with your question. Hopefully he replies soon since you are really important to him
        
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        January 13, 2021 7:19pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Freemarket my arse. NZ media are an arm of the left and all NZ taxpayers are compelled under threat of violence to pay $125million for NZ news organisations that range from left to far left, that behave as propeganda arm of Labour govt, tirelessly parrot narratives fed to them from Greens and Labour, and that will not give National or Act anything other than censure and derision.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:17am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      ‘compelled under threat of violence’
      LOL
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:33am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I doubt whether you are not going to be thrilled when you cough up your second instalment of provisional tax and your November GST, on Friday 15th. That is just the impression I have gathered.
      
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      January 13, 2021 11:14am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Unfortunately, Merkel and Macron don’t agree with you. Maybe the Allies saved Europe from expansionist authoritarianism in the past, but it seems to be Europe who are taking the strongest stand for the fundamental principles of democracy on behalf of the world now.
    From Bloomberg “Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire earlier said that the state should be responsible for regulations, rather than “the digital oligarchy,” and called big tech “one of the threats” to democracy.” “Europe is increasingly pushing back against the growing influence of big technology companies. The EU is currently in the process of setting up regulation that could give the bloc power to split up platforms if they don’t comply with rules.”
    Even the NZ Privacy Commissioner has said that the twitter bans are “arbitrary and cynical.”
    
    They have removed the ability for public communications from a sitting elected president as they try to impeach him and permanently remove his voice and that of his supporters. Nice work democrats way to bring the country together.
    
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-11/merkel-sees-closing-trump-s-social-media-accounts-problematic
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:19am
- Than
  
  That is an immoral and frankly abhorrent view.
  
  Five people are dead, many more injured. The big-tech companies are taking responsible steps to try and prevent speech that would encourage a repeat of this event.
  
  But all you care about is losing your precious right to moan about liberals. Utterly disgusting.
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:47am
  - amospicton
    
    Nonsense Than. There are countless examples of violent threats against conservatives including Trump and his family, of encouragement of violent leftwing protests that have been untouched. It is the partisan hypocrisy that is the issue. No-one here is endorsing violence.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:29am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Just think for a moment about the logic of what you’re suggesting here:
    
    A expresses an opinion. B agrees with A and commits a violent criminal act based in part on their agreement with what A said. Therefore opinions such as the one expressed by A should be blocked.
    
    For just about any controversial issue, some nutcase somewhere has engaged in violence. Abortion doctors and anti-abortion protestors have both been shot and killed. Unionists have killed and been killed. Nobody could say anything ever again.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:57am
    - Than
      
      That’s not just what I’m suggesting, it is the law in many jurisdictions. See Incitement.
      
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      January 13, 2021 12:16pm
      - amospicton
        
        Incitement against the left is fine, against the right is wrong. That is the overwhelming conclusion from events of the last few years. Incitement to violence is already a crime – we don’t need additional laws to prevent free speech – including the freedom to voice opinions that others may find offensive.
        
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        January 13, 2021 1:54pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Thank you for proving their point Than.
    2 people died from the riots.
    3 people died from health related events (i.e. heart attacks etc) in the protest – i.e. not rioters.
    The deaths are a tragedy but you are trying to make the issue bigger than it was.
    This is what happens when a tiny number of people get to control the narrative.
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:39am
  - James Stephenson
    
    At the exact moment that AWS were switching Parler off for posts “inciting violence” the number 1 trending post on Twitter was “Hang Mike Pence”.
    
    The word you’re avoiding using is “pretext”.
    
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    January 13, 2021 12:10pm
- JJ56
  
  For a thoughtful reflection from a Republican on recent events and the consequences for “big tech” see Judith Curry’s recent post at https://judithcurry.com/2021/01/12/the-big-cancel/
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:21am
- gryfon
  
  Give. It. Up. When the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Pentagon body comprising the military’s top generals, are condemning the Capitol riots and confirming Biden will become the 46th commander in chief of the armed forces on Jan. 20 then you and all your ilk are clearly on the wrong side.
  In their memo to the entire US military, the top Pentagon brass characterized the violent riot as “a direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building and our Constitutional process,” and said the military remained fully committed to protecting and defending the Constitution “against all enemies foreign and domestic.”
  “As service members, we must embody the values and ideals of the nation,” the top brass said. “We support and defend the Constitution. Any act to disrupt the Constitutional process is not only against our traditions, values and oath; it is against the law.”
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:29am
- Brian McDonald
  
  “The most disturbing aspect of the huge crowd that marched on Washington last week was the reaction of the left and the big tech companies that are using it to now silence conservative voices.”
  Nothing disturbing about the violence Scott, the unlawful entry, the damage, all good?
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:33am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Please Google the term “Most”.
    You might learn something.
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:28am
  - alloytoo
    
    It’s apparently all good when Antifa and BLM burn US cities.
    
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    January 13, 2021 1:28pm
- IC5000
  
  > The most disturbing aspect of the huge crowd that marched on Washington last week
  
  So it wasn’t the 5 deaths then or the police having to use firearms within the building?
  
  > Sen Josh Hawley has a book out about the tyranny of big tech. Because of his support for the protesters Simon & Schuster have decided not to publish his book.
  
  He can start his own website up and distribute it as PDF for free. It would probably cost almost nothing. A true patriot would want the truth to get there for free!
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:33am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Here’s what really happened from someone who was there – he was a war correspondent, so recognises what’s happening:
    https://the-american-catholic.com/2021/01/12/agent-provocateurs-at-capitol-hill-riot/
    
    (Use the second video – the first image is just that.)
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:44am
    - SB2
      
      “agent- provocateurs ” ??
      
      Which ones specifically?
      
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      January 13, 2021 12:39pm
      - Sacha
        
        Watch the vid, SB2.
        I found it to be quite interesting, and later, saw a video of people carrying umbrellas hiffing bricks over a wall – just as Michael Yon said happened when BLM tactics were involved.
        But you need to look at the video.
        
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        January 13, 2021 1:46pm
- KiwiSapper
  
  “Interestingly enough in North Korea you have only one choice of provider. You have a radio in every household that is permanently on and cannot be turned off. That radio will broadcast a wake-up call when the government determines you should wake-up and then a constant stream of government propaganda.”
  
  Well well………..Anybody else here recall the radios in Patrick Mc Goohan’s ’60’s television series, “The Prisoner.”
  
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  January 13, 2021 11:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I remember this.
    “”WHY?””
    
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    January 13, 2021 5:51pm
- krazykiwi
  
  A Gab post I read yesterday : “The internet was a hell of a lot safer before @Twitter, Apple, @Google, and @Facebook started protecting us from it”
  
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  January 13, 2021 11:58am
- Loddenthinks
  
  And 17 (at last count) fuckwits downticked your comment, demonstrating not just an irony by-pass but a complete absence of logic, reasoning or intelligence.
  
  They are so fucking stupid they don’t even understand that if their heroes get their way, they won’t even have the privilege or luxury of readin dissenting views, let alone expressing their opinion. I could probably name most of the 17, they demonstrate their stupidity on a regular basis.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:36pm
Bobba Fret

This man obviously had an axe to grind with the government.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300203618/man-arrested-after-axe-attack-on-parliament-buildings
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January 13, 2021 8:05am
- Inandout
  
  Bobba, the music staion ‘news’ man suggested the man was maybe a Trump follower. Doesn’t matter what you tune into the Trump subject still rears its head.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:28am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Why on earth would they even suggest that he was a Trump supporter? Talk about Red Radio!
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:57am
  - Sacha
    
    Maybe he was a BLM supporter hoping to advance their ’cause’ ?
    
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    January 13, 2021 1:47pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  President Trump tells GAB followers…..”Not my fault”
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:30am
  - Jimmy White
    
    The time between Trump’s speech and the ‘riot’ was not long enough for them to have heard it and traveled down to the Capital building. So how could he have ‘incited’ them.
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Just mere facts, not important
      
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      January 13, 2021 5:55pm
I remember when

Watched TV3 ‘Late News’ the last couple of nights.
It has illustrated:
The difference between State Enterprise and Private companies.
Tova O’Brien has been at her best – still on holiday?
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January 13, 2021 8:07am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Tova needs something to boost her ego I reckon…
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:18am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    She will be back with an agenda to throw Judith Collins. There will be some polls soon which will show National at 20%
    
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    January 13, 2021 12:03pm
Yvette

Have people sufficiently noticed the change in initial Waikeria reports that mentioned “rubber bullets”, to the usage now of “sponge rounds”?

A second whānau member was in contact with her relative last Friday evening and was concerned when she heard ‘two big bangs’ in the background of the conversation.
She said her relative told her the men were being shot at before hanging up the phone.
“He just said, ‘I’ve got to go, I’ve got to go, they’re shooting at us’. I just said be safe, be careful.
“He let me know that he had been hit by rubber bullets, he couldn’t breathe properly and he sounded really scared, he said he was sore,” said the whānau member.
In the statement, police said the rounds were for use in high-risk situations where people are likely to harm themselves or others.
Sponge rounds are cylinder pellets with a plastic casing and a blunt, dense rubber tip, that are designed not to enter the skin. – RNZ

In terms of “hate speech”, rubber bullets speak better for themselves.
Compare to a Bugsy Malone splurge gun
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January 13, 2021 8:09am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Do you really think foam rubber would work?
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:18am
  - Doc Holliday
    
    The projectiles used were demonstrated on TV. They seemed to be large diameter and spongy. Don’t know about the tip.
    
    Nor do I know how they are “fired”.
    
    Nor do I know if the complaints about conditions in the prison are in any way justified.
    
    I just have a sneaking suspicion some baddies have found a way of running rings around the goodies.
    
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    January 13, 2021 8:45am
    - Batman
      
      Fired from a shotgun
      
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      January 13, 2021 8:58am
  - Yvette
    
    Apparently the same ammunition is called “rubber bullets’ or “sponge rounds”.
    Is it not for propaganda reasons that the second name now seems to be used rather than the first?
    
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    January 13, 2021 8:47am
    - Batman
      
      Having seen both, I am 100% sure they are different.
      
      Both still hurt like a bitch, apparently…
      
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      January 13, 2021 8:55am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      My partner has a box of ‘Bean Bags’ which he keeps in with his folding stock Mossberg. Same sort of thing I think.
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:04am
      - Jack5
        
        Sure they won’t jam it?
        
        Take care if he’s looking for a reason to test it,
        
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        January 13, 2021 10:15am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      First of all Corrections make no comment, when the story breaks they amend rubber to sponge rounds. Without checking it out, sponge implies air pockets and therefore an element of ‘give’ or softness. Firing something soft is like using a cushion compared to a hammer.
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:43am
  - Inandout
    
    BM, Black Flag still make insect spray?
    
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    January 13, 2021 8:48am
  - Grant
    
    You’d know.
    G
    
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    January 13, 2021 7:36pm
Maggie Pie

We had a txt from our neighbor at Tindalls this morning to say someone had sprayed graffitti on the public toilets….MANGO TANIWHA ARE PROTECTED
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January 13, 2021 8:09am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Doesn’t having public toilets at Tindalls Beach just encourage the hoi polloi to loiter where they are not wanted?
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:15am
  - MFD
    
    That presupposes that there are public toilets at Tindalls Beach.
    
    I proceed from the assumption that everything from the OP is fake. Not deep fake but shallow fake.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:39am
    - virtualmark
      
      There are public toilets at Tindalls Bay. They’re next to the boat ramp. Right next door to Russell Coutt’s new house.
      
      I grew up there, used that boat ramp many times.
      
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      January 13, 2021 11:58am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Wish you hadn’t of told the silly old coot about them VM.
        He’ll probably make a point of coming up for a sh*t now.
        
        LOL!!
        
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        January 13, 2021 1:27pm
      - MFD
        
        “He’ll probably make a point of coming up for a sh*t now.”
        
        I apologise. I assumed that I was engaging with an adult. My mistake.
        
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        January 13, 2021 8:48pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Thort I saw your name on a loaf of bread in New World.
      
      Then I realised it said ‘Thick Cut’
      
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      January 13, 2021 12:31pm
      - MFD
        
        More poor quality fiction.
        
        Are you actually capable of producing anything truthful?
        
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        January 13, 2021 12:47pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        MFD, maybe the person was a ‘thick cut’
        Just like those with no sense of humour?????
        
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        January 13, 2021 6:05pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        That’s just it Steve 😀
        
        Wouldn’t have been anywhere near as funny if I’d said, “Sliced”
        
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        January 13, 2021 9:51pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      True that.
      
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      January 13, 2021 12:51pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        That should get you at least a couple of ‘upticks’ mikey.
        SB2, MFD and a couple of other losers like yourself on here.
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        January 13, 2021 1:42pm
New Zealander

Yesterday, within 10 hours of the libertarian ACT Party demanding it be made compulsory for all New Zealanders to scan in with their smart phones wherever we go, the party announced they had rescinded on their previous support for Chris Liddell’s nomination as Secretary-General of the OECD.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/01/act-rescinds-support-for-chris-liddell-s-nomination-as-oecd-secretary-general-after-failure-to-denounce-riot-at-us-capitol.html

Funnily enough, Mr Liddell had four days earlier been quoted as saying he was “horrified” by what had occurred.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/liddell-i-was-horrified-by-the-events-yesterday

The woke influences of close friends and associates David Farrar and Matthew Hooton are obviously rubbing off on the ACT Party. I for one am most perturbed that our only “right-wing” party in the New Zealand Parliament has already shown themselves to be entirely lacking in backbone.
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- mjw
  
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  The problem for ACT is that traditional libertarian views have become manifestly indefensible. The succession of bubbles and financial crises, the need for coherent responses to the pandemic, the growth of intolerance, violence and terrorism under the guise of ‘freedom’ – all these make it essential for ACT to evolve.
  
  But the evolution still has some way to go. At present many of their policy positions are deeply contradictory, so they need to find some way to deal with that … or maybe not? They could just become the Mike Hosking of minor parties, I suppose, barking at every passing car.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:45am
- Stuart
  
  I would have thought it impossible for Act to support compulsory scanning, but there it is on their own website.
  
  That is the end of my Act membership and I will not donate another cent.
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Did you really think ACT was some kind of libertarian party?
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:37am
  - kowtow
    
    I’d find it hard to vote for a party that claims to be libertarian but demands you take a public position on an issue of their choice.
    
    Sounds rather Stalinist to me.
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:42am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    ACT will probably be glad to see the back of the one-issue wonder.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:19am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I will likewise be cancelling my ACT membership.
    
    Seymour’s “The best thing we can do for freedom is avoid another five week lockdown” is a capitulation to authoritarianism that would have made Neville Chamberlain blush.
    
    Pathetic.
    
    Like you Stuart, not another cent to ACT.
    
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    January 13, 2021 12:16pm
    - SB2
      
      “I will likewise be canceling my ACT membership.”
      ‘Swapped for whom?
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Conservative_Party_(New_Zealand)#Re-branding,_November_2017–October_2020
      
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      January 13, 2021 12:42pm
  - jon
    
    No more donations to ACT from me either..thought ACT had BALLS and wouldnt get into this woke nonsense!!!
    
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    January 13, 2021 5:24pm
- curry4me
  
  New Zealander: I heard that on my flatmates radio news. Didn’t take it seriously. Thanks for the heads up. What is David Seymour thinking of? It’s a terrible idea.
  
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  January 13, 2021 12:58pm
lifesgood

What astonishes me is that nobody seems bothered. They just shrug their shoulders. I have intelligent friends who are sucking up the nonsense spouted by the msm as gospel because that is all they hear/see. BTW the Herald and pretty much all NZ msm are already only writing positive pieces about the left…no, or next to no, alternative viewpoints. Next step…..
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January 13, 2021 8:10am
- Mrs_Right
  
  I gave up on the Herald ages ago, my husband has deleted their app etc. The more people will do the same the sooner thy will get the message.
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:05am
  - Ronin
    
    Unfortunately, we are now in a position where they don’t need your patronage. They get your money anyway via Cindy and Robbo. The single source of truth.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:48am
    - Mrs_Right
      
      True, but they won’t be the Government forever.
      
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      January 13, 2021 12:37pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Wrong. If socialism takes hold there will be years of trouble. You can vote Socialism in, but you have to fight/shoot your way out. Lack of HISTORY TEACHING.
        I leave you with this. The quality is shit because it has been repeated and banned so many times.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
        
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        January 13, 2021 6:15pm
surfing

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No doubt Trump will encourage his supporters to go to war.

I think he is scared about the consequences for his actions and he is doubling down.
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January 13, 2021 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  surf, ‘no doubt’, ‘I think’. We shall leave it at that otherwise you will be in CNN ‘official sources’ territory.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:53am
- emmess
  
  Point to one thing he said that was incitement.
  And no using the word ‘fight’ does not count
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  ‘No doubt Trump will encourage his supporters to go to war.’
  
  He won’t . This President , so hated by so many , didn’t go to war with foreign “enemies” , unlike so many of his now admired predecessors .
  
  Mind you the hypocrisy of his detractors is astounding . They’re quite happy to have the Feds , military , state apparatus smash the Trump rioters but were very vocal about protecting the blm antifa rioters from any form of state intervention.
  
  Goes to prove the maxim “It’s OK when the left do it”
  
  PS All political violence is wrong .
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:47am
  - surfing
    
    You say political violence is wrong but trump certainly encourages it through his words.
    
    I’m quite certain there will be further violence if trump continues to push on with the same language.
    
    Trump lost the election, clearly. Time to
    Move on.
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:09am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Tell the Democrats and their allies that. “You won. Now move on”. No need to support social media bans, branding of Trump supporters as “domestic terrorists” etc. If Trump has indeed fomented unrest or incited violence, why on Earth would his successors double-down and escalate this trend? Why the divisive and polarizing rhetoric? Why the obvious lies, hypocrisy and double standards when BLM and Anitfa burned down minority neighbourhoods and assaulted and killed innocent people for six months? I thought the Democrat side were the better people, the adults in the room, the ones who just want peace and healing?
      
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      January 13, 2021 12:36pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Maybe we should see the ‘incitement’ that Nancy Pelosi promoted in 2017:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXdE2wyDQQs
        
        This also demonstrates the naked bias of Twitter’.
        
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        January 13, 2021 5:43pm
- surfing
  
  Isn’t your post against the forum user guidelines?
  
  Seems pretty abusive to me.
  
  [Mod. I agree, deleted.]
  
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  January 13, 2021 12:21pm
Frank the tank

What’s in store for the MSM today:

– Stories how Trump is the most evil, worst person in history surpassing Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Attila the Hun.
– More covid scare porn highlighting deaths as opposed to recoveries. How rampant new strains are as deadly as the bubonic plague.
– Feel good ‘little’ Aotearoa stories about how life is so awesome and amazeballs in our little bubble.
– More environmental nonsense yet ignoring the disgrace in our own backyard (i.e. Hauraki Gulf)

and 60% just lap it up like the good little sheeple they are……
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January 13, 2021 8:12am
- amospicton
  
  It’s more than 60% I thin Frank. If it wasn’t for the like minds on kiwiblog I ‘d wonder if I was losing my mind. It’s all just utterly pathetic.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:54am
  - Frank the tank
    
    You’re probably right. I’m fully expecting Matt Lucas and David Williams to begin presenting the news over the next 3 months. Sadly not many would get the irony.
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:37am
- Batman
  
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  Trump is a egomaniacal sociopath with significant parallels between himself, his supporters, and Mr Hitler and his supporters circa both the time of the Putsch and the end in the bunker.
  
  Getting Covid is largely preventable, so deaths are almost completely unnecessary and a tragedy. There is no reason to celebrate recovery from a preventable virus, it would only make people more indifferent to trying to avoid the spread.
  
  Compared to the rest of the world we are doing pretty fucking well. But yes, if you take out the pandemic we are very much middling.
  
  Fair point re the environment. What’s up in the Gulf? Being from South of the Bombay’s I don’t follow it beyond the Cup boats…
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:07am
  - Frank the tank
    
    The Hauraki Gulf is Auckland’s toilet. A brief 5 minute shower and half the beaches are closed. Stormwater runoff (without correct filtration) and an overflowing sewer system mean you come out dirtier than you went in.
    
    Imagine the uproar if Bondi was closed due to fecal overflow. In little Aotearoa though no issue – because you can’t blame it on farmers the left don’t want to know.
    
    It’s a shame although quite clearly NZ’s nuclear moment was simply a marketing gimic.
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:10am
    - Ehlana
      
      From memory Frank, so were the original “nuclear moments”. Assorted borough councils, schools and eventually the nation declared themselves nuclear free, when they never had anything nuclear to give up – though I understand we kept using life-saving medicines derived from nuclear activity.
      Do as we say, don’t you know…
      
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      January 13, 2021 1:36pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        David Lange was quite an ignorant bastard wasn’t he? Funny as fuck, just to divert the narative
        
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        January 13, 2021 6:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Quite Moody too Ehlana
        
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        January 13, 2021 6:20pm
Andrei

Lol – don’t you just adore hubris

“Reponsible™” Networks will not air Trumps speech live on air or in full.

They will“exercise editorial judgement ingest what he says then decide if any of it is newsworthy”

Thus ruleth Brian Selter of CNN
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January 13, 2021 8:13am
- SB2
  
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  Andrei, ample alternatives like OAM, Newsmax , Breitbart etc , etc for his disciples like you.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:39am
  - Andrei
    
    Speech live now (assuming it gets through moderation before it ends)
    
    https://youtu.be/c_WNI43s3ds
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:03am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      OMG – THE ENERGY!
      
      4 MORE YEARS!!
      
      Thank you for linking 😀
      
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      January 13, 2021 9:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
    
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    January 13, 2021 6:28pm
- Batman
  
  Andrei prefers Mother Russia where the state decides what goes on TV and that all speeches from dear leader Vlad are televised live and uninterrupted.
  
  Meanwhile in the real world, the rest of us are enjoying the break from hearing the lie machine ranting into the nearest mic.
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:09am
  - Andrei
    
    The only times in living memory that I have ever seen a Nation’s head of State isolated from the mediums needed to address the people of his nation directly is after a coup when the new regime needs to have total control over the narrative.
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:40am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oh please. The president is not in any way lacking the means to ‘address the people’.
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Full. Of. Shit. Mike. ‘Address the people’ does not mean put out a recorded speech, so the media can fuck with it.
        They have CENSORED him. Some here should be censored with their biased silly TDS
        
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        January 13, 2021 6:32pm
    - RichardX
      
      Andrei,
      
      Thanks for the link you provided above of the US Head of State addressing his nation directly.
      
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      January 13, 2021 2:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Andrei, the aimless Washington elite are so dumb they can’t see that Republicans are finally waking up to this Stalinist news embargo. Computer experts are now busily working around Big Tech censorship, not forgetting Silicon Valley employees probably all started out playing around with finding holes in programs.
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:01am
Maggy Wassilieff

As I speculated a couple of days back…

No political hui at Ratana this year.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/434411/no-politicians-at-ratana-in-2021-as-celebrations-made-exclusive-for-church-adherents

I’m a bit surprised that internal church politics has been raised as the reason the usual Labour-Ratana Alliance display-fest isn’t going ahead.

I reckon there’s a couple of other reasons that Labour don’t want to be exposed to the scrutiny of their ‘followers”.

I’m reckoning Waitangi will be a non-event also.
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January 13, 2021 8:17am
- lifesgood
  
  Hope so!
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:25am
- pdm
  
  Prime Minister Ardern is pleased Ratana visit is cancelled.
  
  She can now take another week off work.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:30am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Given that the major talking point within the morehu at the moment is whether to support Labour or the Maori Party, it’s probably a good thing that the politicians are staying away this year. It is, after all, a celebration of the birthday of T. W. Ratana, not a contest to see who can make the most extravagant promises.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    Obviously an interesting dynamic within Ratana with Adrian Rurawhe being an ex-Maori Party member.
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:06am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      And with Debbie Ngarewa-Packer setting her sights on winning Te Tai Hauauru in 2023, with all the benefits that come from being an incumbent MP.
      
      Ms Ngarewa-Packer was formerly the CEO of Ngati Ruanui, a very influential South Taranaki iwi. Rurawhe is a nice enough bloke, but he suffers from a significant lack of charisma, and spending another three years as Trevor Mallard’s deputy is going to do nothing for his profile, given he is basically chained to Parliament during times when the House is sitting.
      
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      January 13, 2021 11:37am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Didnt Jacinda say at Ratana a few years back to hold Labour to account if they didnt do as they promised???
  
  Well they havent. If Labour lose the Maori seats that is the 7 head start they would lose in each election and if the MP could wok with Nat.ACT they might find that they would be better off.
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:02am
  - curry4me
    
    fightingtemeraire: That’d be the day I leave ACT: The racist party has no legitimacy.
    
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    January 13, 2021 1:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Masks at social gatherings!! TV1 network ewes won’t be able to see the ‘moko’ So who knows who is speaking.
  Btw, does Jaspinda have a ‘moko’ mask? just like a head scarf? IDK
  
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  January 13, 2021 6:35pm
Justitia

Now here’s a peculiar thing. The Labour Party’s propaganda unit, Stuff, today publishes a column by Robbo, ostensibly the Finance Minister, on “moderation” that has an air of menace about it:https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/123922492/we-can-be-a-nation-of-sweet-moderation–but-only-if-we-keep-working-at-it.

After recounting how he finds himself greatly beloved among the proles on his holidays, Robbo takes aim at the “less than one percent”, some of whom apparently had the nerve to pester him during his break with questions about “the Great Reset” or the CCP etc. He declares we need to work on our “moderation” and abruptly concludes the piece with an adolescent “Ok?” that hangs in the ether like an implied threat. Have we just seen the opening shot for 2021 in Labour’s campaign to suppress free speech? Clever move to jump on the bandwagon of public unease about the Capitol riots which Biden/Harris are already deploying as their own Reichstag moment.
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January 13, 2021 8:25am
- Simon
  
  Moderation for labour is avoiding the nut job left. Like no capital gains tax and letting house prices run up to keep their poll numbers high.
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:01am
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…..

Prince Harry has been spotted with his hair in a PONYTAIL !

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1349051967801274381
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January 13, 2021 8:25am
- Jimmy White
  
  Yawn
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:42am
- MCos
  
  About as likely as the story of the Scotsman with a penis so long he had to tuck it into his sock and call it a varicose vein when he wore his kilt.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! Took me about a week to find out why my partners nickname was ‘Tripod’
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:07am
    - kowtow
      
      Short legs?
      
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      January 13, 2021 9:52am
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, Cptn Hook, arrrrrr.
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  At least it’s not in a bloody man bun!
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:52am
  - pdm
    
    Are you talking about the Scot in the Kilt Inv?
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:13am
SB2

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Below from an ardent Republican and one who knows.

Arnold Schwarzenegger Video Speech Transcript on Capitol Attack & Riots.

Excerpt

As an immigrant to this country, I would like to say a few words to my fellow Americans and to our friends around the world about the events of recent days. Now, I grew up in Austria. I am very aware of Kristallnacht, or the Night of Broken Glass. It was a night of rampage against the Jews carried out in 1938 by the Nazi equivalent of the Proud Boys. Wednesday was the Day of Broken Glass right here in the United States. The broken glass was in the windows of the United States Capitol. But the mob did not just shatter the windows of the Capitol. They shattered the ideas we took for granted. They did not just break down the doors of the building that housed the American democracy. They trampled the very principles on which our country was founded.

Now, I grew up in the ruins of a country that suffered the loss of its democracy. I was born in 1947, two years after the Second World War. Growing up, I was surrounded by broken men drinking away their guilt over their participation in the most evil regime in history. Not all of them were rabid antisemites or Nazis. Many just went along step-by-step down the road. They were the people next door.

… [abriged]
http://www.rev.com

The GOP would a go along , long way in restoring their shattered credibility by appointing Arnold as their new leader. Unfortunately, they’re more likely to appoint mediocre Trumpists like Cruz or Hawley, etc.
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January 13, 2021 8:37am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Do you have any idea of the long term side effects from the use of anabolic steroids?
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:58am
  - Batman
    
    Did they have to stop calling your partner tripod?
    
    I jest but….
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:11am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      https://i.imgflip.com/45mg4i.jpg
      
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      January 13, 2021 9:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        And that will send him straight back to Pornhub – the place that nobody knows about except me
        
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        January 13, 2021 6:39pm
  - Lance
    
    What drug makes your skin go orange and cause narcissism?
    Very dangerous and should be warned about.
    
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    January 13, 2021 1:20pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Like this you mean…..
      
      https://i.pinimg.com/736x/77/79/ff/7779ff18f0483559954863247fa840e4.jpg
      
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      January 13, 2021 4:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fuck, that could get yo banned Tall Man – with the current bunch of Mods!
        Hey buddy, I stole it Lol Lol Lol
        
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        January 13, 2021 6:42pm
- Inandout
  
  SB2, I watched that video and thought Arnie you lie like a trooper.
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:05am
  - SB2
    
    Inandout, examples?
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:37am
- Frank the tank
  
  Lol part of the ‘hollywood elite’ an ardent Republican.
  
  What’s next try to convince me the Blairite is a environmentalist?
  
  Also there is the slight problem that Arnold was born in Austria……
  
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  January 13, 2021 11:24am
MCos

Yesterday the captain of the Australian cricket team apologized for his on field behaviour during the recent test with India during which he swore at an umpire and bad mouthed Ashwin while he was about to face a delivery from Lyon.
What’s wrong with the guy?
He should have claimed what he said was appropriate and most cricket fans agree with him that Ashwin is a dickhead.
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January 13, 2021 8:40am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s un-Australian to apologise. Get rid of Tim Paine and reinstate Steve ‘Sandpaper’ Smith.
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  It’s in their DNA. It’s scorpion hitching a ride on the back of a frog material
  
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  January 13, 2021 11:25am
Yvette

‘Outrage’ at Puhoi Pub’s wall hanging bearing offensive term for a Black person

“What if it was my little sister that saw that. It’s heart breaking. Thank God I was with a bunch of white people and it wasn’t a poor Black family that saw that. It’s so hurtful. It shouldn’t be up there,” says Auckland woman Mildred Armah, shocked when she saw the display while visiting the pub for lunch on Sunday, but appears to be a Black Lives Matter activist, so should be aware of worse.

According to the pub’s owner Armah is “the first person who’s spotted it and said something about it”.
“There’s worse things hanging in the pub. There are ceramic penises in there you know. Isn’t that more offensive to children?”
Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon thinks the pub should take it down.
“The n-word is related to slavery. It’s degrading, it’s derogatory and it’s racist. I urge the owner to reconsider.”

“It’s part of the history of the pub. It belongs in the pub. It was donated by the owner who owned N*****, that’s why we’ve left it up on the wall,” the pub’s owner Bernie McCallion told 1 NEWS.
“We thought ‘oh this is just wrong because it was on the news’. But then when I found out about the history of it, I put it back up. And I’m not taking it down again.” – TVNZ

So it has a “history”, but the un-named writer of the TVNZ item apparently couldn’t be fucked in finding out what the hell that may have been. So we remain shocked, hurt and heart broken as Mildred Armah and Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon, in uninformed ignorance rather than understanding a small part of New Zealand history.

What a lot of fucking rewriting is going to be needed when New Zealand history is tough [? taught] in schools as Labour intends. The only hope may be that Labour will fail to deliver on this, as much as anything else they promise
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January 13, 2021 8:43am
- mikenmildagain
  
  No one cares about the ‘history’ of the wall hanging. Most people would stay away from a pub that is proud of its racist display.
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:21am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    When in Auckland I stayed away from that pub because the previous publican was a rude, arrogant old prick.
    I didn’t give a stuff what was on the walls.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:27am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Well, you do you, I guess, although that’s also an excellent reason to avoid a particular pub, or any other business.
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:37am
    - JibberJabber
      
      It is a fascinating and very NZ phenomena to despise the people that you rely on to earn a living.
      I’ve never understood it, but witness it almost on a daily basis, something about being an egalitarian society, I suppose.
      
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      January 13, 2021 10:51am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I visited that pub years ago because the publican was so terribly rude and so terribly arrogant and such a vile prick that he became funny, in an usual manner.
      I saw the TV1 cameras there yesterday and wondered what could be newsworthy about the place. I thought it might have been the “wake” for a Puhoi old timer.
      
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      January 13, 2021 11:23am
    - lifesgood
      
      Puhoi in Auckland? Nope.
      
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      January 13, 2021 1:52pm
  - graham
    
    mikenmildagain, one set of bullock horns among many other sets of bullock horns, in amidst hundreds of items adorning virtually every surface of the pub, hardly constitutes a “display”.
    
    And people should care about the history. Puhoi was settled in the late 1800s by Bohemian settlers, who were lured here by the promise of free Crown land for small farms but had no idea what they were letting themselves in for.
    
    They worked with the local Maori who showed them how to live off the land. They built a church and a school, and kept their traditions alive.
    
    There is a huge amount of unique history in that little village – more people would do well to learn about it.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:46am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I don’t think learning about the interesting history of Puhoi is enhanced by displaying a racist epithet.
      
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      January 13, 2021 12:54pm
      - graham
        
        The point is not that they are displaying a “racist epithet”; the point is that – like it or not – that was the name of this particular bullock, as far as I can gather. That’s quite simply a FACT. The same as the name of the black labrador retriever belonging to Wing Commander Guy Gibson of the Royal Air Force, and the mascot of No. 617 Squadron.
        
        This is what makes up history. And some things that are now seen as offensive, weren’t necessarily seen as offensive 70 years ago or more. In this particular context, the word is not being used as a racist term or to deliberately cause offence; it was quite simply the name given to a bullock at a time when doing so wasn’t seen as offensive.
        
        I’m genuinely sorry if Mildred Armah is upset by the bullock horns with the name displayed, but I also feel that she is taking it completely out of context. I feel she would do well to take a deep breath and reflect that not EVERY SINGLE THING IN THE ENTIRE WORLD is put there for the sole and deliberate intention of setting out to offend her.
        
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        January 13, 2021 2:13pm
      - Sacha
        
        Fashion applies to history in New Zealand, as much as it does to frocks.
        We can look at bustles, and mini-skirts, and either admire them or scorn them – and then forget about them. We have a passing interest, while acknowledging that they have a place in the history of our society.
        Similarly, a pair of bullock horns which reminds us of the early state of agriculture, much like the old horse drawn ploughs that we used to see rusting away outside public buildings. Likewise the use of Nigger – it was a common name for black dogs & horses, in fat any black animal with no white markings. We had a a couple of generations of sheepdogs so named, as did other farmers in our district. No-one ever commented about it.
        The young woman who wrote this piece needs to study a bit of New Zealand social history -and until then, keep her mouth shut.
        
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        January 13, 2021 2:29pm
- MCos
  
  The word in question originated in America, as far as I know, and when used by white people over there, no matter the historical context is inexcusable, except in movies it seems.
  The excuse that’s it passes muster because it’s historical doesn’t cut the mustard.
  I wonder if they have any tattooed Maori heads on display? They were all the go once.
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    “They were all the go once”
    
    Especially among their makers.
    
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    January 13, 2021 3:59pm
- graham
  
  In the news item, the lady also said something like, “What sort of people are they attracting?”
  
  Firstly, I very much doubt that ANYBODY visits the Puhoi Pub (or any other pub) purely because of one single, relatively insignificant item on display in the middle of hundreds of other items.
  
  Secondly, I’ve been to the Puhoi Pub numerous times. To answer her question, they attract a complete cross-section of people, from families with little kids and little old white-haired genteel ladies, to farmers and tradies, to large groups of bikies. Again, I very much doubt that any of these people are coming along because of one set of bullock horns, and thereby displaying their racist tendencies – which is what she seems to be implying.
  
  And Yvette, you are right to say it would be great if the TVNZ “reporter” had put just a little more effort in finding out the history. Did the bullock horns come from the early Bohemian settlers, who used teams of bullocks to clear kauri in the late 1800s? Why was this not looked into? Surely history like this is important.
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:36am
  - Nickc2
    
    First, they set out to take away our free speech. Then they set about re-writing our history. Now, they are going about controlling what we can call our pets and working animals. I know plenty of farm dogs called Ni..er.
    If there was a toilet seat mounted on the wall of the Puhoi Pub with the words FOR OLD SENILE WHITE MEN ONLY, I’m sure the MSM would be conducting guided tours of the place.
    I’ve been to the Puhoi Pub many times in previous years and enjoyed every moment. Seymore (one of the previous owners) was a legend in his own lifetime. I used to have a book about that pub. F knows where it is now.
    
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    January 13, 2021 12:02pm
  - Paulus
    
    Whole fiasco a load of Bollocks – if you don’t like the pub you have to go there.
    
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    January 13, 2021 2:21pm
- redflagged
  
  Mildred Armah
  
  Mildred is the Assignments Desk Co-ordinator at TVNZ for the past month, and a news writer at Bfm for 2 months. She’s also a third year Communications student at AUT.
  
  So her “outrage” comes as no surprise.
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:54am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Oh, what a tangled web we weave
    When first we practice to deceive
    
    It’s funny that the TVNZ story never disclosed Mildred being an employee of TVNZ, and a “creator” of news…
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:41am
    - sooty
      
      Interviewing her keyboard!
      
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      January 13, 2021 12:16pm
  - MCos
    
    What the item on TV1 did disclose is that she is black.
    
    So her outrage comes as no surprise.
    
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    January 13, 2021 12:34pm
  - Paulus
    
    She looked as if she was in tears when she got the media limelight.
    
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    January 13, 2021 2:22pm
New Zealander

I understand that Twitter’s purge of right-wing thinkers has been extended to several well known New Zealand accounts this morning.
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January 13, 2021 8:47am
- Batman
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  None of those banned are “thinkers”.
  
  Nobody of any real value to the right has been banned. In fact, it is useful to the right as it is banning the absolutely discrediting portions.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:57am
  - New Zealander
    
    Most of them have far greater minds and far larger hearts than you could ever dream to possess.
    
    You can laugh now, but in three years time it will be those of us who have been prepared to fight who will enjoy the rewards.
    
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    January 13, 2021 9:18am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      What sort of fight are you envisaging?
      
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      January 13, 2021 9:38am
    - Batman
      
      You’re fighting your own shadow.
      
      And more broadly, those prepared to ‘fight’ have turned out to be terrorists.
      
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      January 13, 2021 9:44am
      - New Zealander
        
        75 million terrorists.
        
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        January 13, 2021 9:48am
      - Batman
        
        Update: it appears that DemocracyMum has been suspended. Now, that is surprising but as I said, she’s hardly a ‘thinker’ of the right (thank god).
        
        Also, our old friend redbaiter appears to have deactivated his account rather than being suspended.
        
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        January 13, 2021 9:58am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter isn’t it?
        
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        January 13, 2021 10:06am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Poor ol’ Reddy. Perhaps he’ll come back to Kiwiblog and risk its Stasi-like moderation…
        
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        January 13, 2021 10:14am
  - Inandout
    
    Bat, fear not, they will eventually come for you.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:08am
  - Grant
    
    Please clarify for me Batman….
    In your opinion if an individual is not a thinker, as per your definition of the word, or is not of real value to the right, (such value again as being defined by you), then them being banned from an online platform is okay?
    Yes or no will suffice.
    G
    
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    January 13, 2021 1:25pm
    - Batman
      
      If they breach the terms of service the private company is within their rights to suspend them.
      
      This is basic stuff.
      
      They can start a newspaper or their own platform if their voice is so essential.
      
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      January 13, 2021 2:20pm
      - Grant
        
        That’s not what I asked, but expecting a straight answer from you was always going to be a tall order.
        G
        
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        January 13, 2021 2:51pm
      - Batman
        
        A straight answer under your terms though, right? Yeah nah.
        
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        January 13, 2021 3:35pm
      - RichardX
        
        G, Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
        Yes or no will suffice.
        
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        January 13, 2021 3:38pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Batman, your response to the question really demonstrates what a left wing fuckwit you are.
        
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        January 13, 2021 8:05pm
      - Mike
        
        That’s not very Christian of you, Don.
        
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        January 13, 2021 8:12pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  A good friend of mine was suspended by Twitter overnight. He’s a business leader in the town, writes business columns for the local paper, and although he holds firm views, always expresses them in an appropriate manner.
  
  He believes his breaching of Twitter’s rules stems from retweeting a story last week where Canadian researchers had determined that the harm from lockdowns outweighed the benefits by ten to one.
  
  Interestingly, I checked my follower numbers yesterday and today, and this morning there was a difference of around -220, or around 15%.
  
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  January 13, 2021 11:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Maybe about 200 people just decided you were a bit boring, Tony.
    
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    January 13, 2021 12:55pm
- scrubone
  
  They suspended me, for what it’s worth.
  
  I’ve posted on my blog – basically saying I was sending spam, which is ridiculous.
  
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  January 13, 2021 4:24pm
Colville

Is there a worse POS in international sport than Steve Smith?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/300203625/conspiracy-theories-steve-smith-defended-over-shadowbatting-furore
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January 13, 2021 8:55am
- pdm
  
  Be hard to find one at the moment Colville.
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:14am
- rererangihirihiri
  
  Those Aussie cricketers have got very short memories. A couple of years ago they were all on tv bawling their eyes out. Flakes.
  Cheats. Go India. Smash them.
  
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  January 13, 2021 11:25am
Fletch

If you’re interested in Gab, here is video the owner being interviewed about the history and background. He is a Christian guy who is not doing it for the fame or money, but for his family , his young daughter and for free speech in the country. He also addresses the smears against the company.

https://tv.gab.com/channel/a/view/the-inspiring-true-story-of-gabcom-5ffd176abdce445f94e6f164

It’s interesting how he says he has absolutely no support from just about any company. They had to set up their own servers and even email! And he has been blacklisted by every online company that does financial transactions in order to try and shut him down. No Paypal, no Stripe, no credit card services. The only thing he can use is Bitcoin. They’ve also set up Gab video and have their own browser based on Brave that allows users to practically comment on any site on the internet.

An interesting watch.
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January 13, 2021 9:11am
- Fletch
  
  Having joined, I must admit it is still a bit sluggish. Hopefully they will continue upgrading over the next few weeks.
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:39am
- curry4me
  
  fletch: Thanks for this. It was very informative. I’m on Gab.
  
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  January 13, 2021 1:34pm
Batman

A gift for Juliet with her theory about how Trump was half an hour late and the walk was too long for the riot to be his fault. Here is a complete video breakdown of the timeline of violence committed by his supporters who were doing it because he told them to.

Insurrection at the Capitol: A Timeline of How It Happened https://nyti.ms/3bvNjtb
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January 13, 2021 9:14am
- Fletch
  
  https://headlineusa.com/timeline-debunk-trump-incitement/
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:47am
Maggie Pie

A twitter bezzie from the UK has just retweeted…..

“Spot the white grooming gang member?
No, I couldn’t either” 🙁

https://twitter.com/PatriotActive66/status/1348942137635856384
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January 13, 2021 9:15am
- SB2
  
  Nor, Africans Indians, Iraqis, Sikhs, Chinese etc, etc
  
  Your point?
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    https://youtu.be/HDRVzwNkV20
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:48am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Excellent Maggie -that was genius. 😆 😆
      
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      January 13, 2021 8:10pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    That is the point SfB.
    
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    January 13, 2021 2:39pm
I remember when

An item on the news perhaps explains why Australia is more experimental with their borders.
Firstly, they have more borders so have more experience.
Secondly, they have something we don’t which is land based borders. This allows them to learn about the pitfalls that they present.
Thirdly, and most importantly, they have States. They do not have a single Government voice in the sense that we do. This leads to constant debate on State actions as well as National direction.
Last night it was a vigourous stating of differing approaches to the covid cases in New South Wales.
Where we have a single approach to covid, the State system means they have much more vigourous debate.
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January 13, 2021 9:19am
I remember when

Does Michael Baker makes you think – it doesn’t matter what it is I don’t want to get it!
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January 13, 2021 9:25am
Sacha

So, I was watching Fox News LIVE (0920hrNZ) : Donald Trump at the Border Wall, Alamo Texas . He was thanking the people who worked on getting the wall built. He had mentioned a few names –
Then the screen went black and: “This video is unavailable”
Any. suggestions as to why?
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January 13, 2021 9:31am
- SB2
  
  Sacha , try the Fox contact centre with your query.
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:53am
- virtualmark
  
  Do you think Trump realises that *the Alamo* isn’t in Alamo?
  
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  January 13, 2021 2:03pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The President gave a most excellent address to the Customs and other law enforcement Officers present.
  He was warmly received and spoke very clearly and lucidly for one under the present stresses. It was significant it was in the Alamo and that Texas is threatening secession.
  I have a recording of the broadcast.
  
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  January 13, 2021 2:37pm
Sacha

NZ Time.
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January 13, 2021 9:32am
Fletch

A former prosecutor says Trump didn’t incite a riot or anything else –

The president didn’t commit incitement or any other crime. I should know. As a Washington prosecutor I earned the nickname “protester prosecutor” from the antiwar group CodePink. In one trial, I convicted 31 protesters who disrupted congressional traffic by obstructing the Capitol Crypt. In another, I convicted a CodePink activist who smeared her hands with fake blood, charged at then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in a House hearing room, and incited the audience to seize the secretary of state physically.

[…]

The president didn’t mention violence on Wednesday, much less provoke or incite it. He said, “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/01/trumps-rally-speech-was-not-illegal-incitement/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-trump-isnt-guilty-of-incitement-11610303966
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January 13, 2021 9:34am
- scrubone
  
  legalinsurrection.com is usually very good value. I don’t read it enough.
  
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  January 13, 2021 4:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Irish folk finally facing up to their treatment of “fallen” women.

Irish government to apologise over mother-and-baby homes
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55622548
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January 13, 2021 9:35am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well reported here also:
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/ireland-report-appalling-abuse-mother-baby-homes
  
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  January 13, 2021 9:40am
- Fletch
  
  Hmm, interesting, but what would have happened to the other 85% of those mothers and children if the institutions had not existed at all? It’s easy to be critical with hindsight. Yes, they should have been better taken care of, but when you’re talking about historical orphanages and other homes, they have always had a bad name going back to Dickens, etc.
  
  I remember a report a few years ago by the Irish Govt about the infamous “Magdalene Laundries” (which I know is a different subject) which shows most of those stories were untrue and it makes me wonder about biases and whether people have an axe to grind.
  
  The publication last week of the Irish government’s McAleese Report on the Magdalene laundries has proved kind of awkward for Catholic-bashers. For if McAleese’s thorough, 1,000-page study is to be believed, then it would appear that those laundries were not as evil and foul as they had been depicted over the past decade. Specifically the image of the laundries promoted by the popular, much-lauded film The Magdalene Sisters – which showed them as places where women were stripped, slapped, sexually abused and more – has been called into question by McAleese. This has led even The Irish Times, which never turns down an opportunity to wring its hands over Catholic wickedness, to say: “There is no escaping the fact that the [McAleese] report jars with popular perceptions.”
  
  In the Irish mind, and in the minds of everyone else who has seen or read one of the many films, plays and books about the Magdalene laundries, these were horrific institutions brimming with violence and overseen by sadistic, pervy nuns. Yet the McAleese Report found not a single incident of sexual abuse by a nun in a Magdalene laundry. Not one. Also, the vast majority of its interviewees said they were never physically punished in the laundries. As one woman said, “It has shocked me to read in papers that we were beat and our heads shaved and that we were badly treated by the nuns… I was not touched by any nun and I never saw anyone touched.” The small number of cases of corporal punishment reported to McAleese consisted of the kind of thing that happened in many normal schools in the 1960s, 70s and 80s: being caned on the legs or rapped on the knuckles. The authors of the McAleese Report, having like the rest of us imbibed the popular image of the Magdalene laundries as nun-run concentration camps, seem to have been taken aback by “the number of women who spoke positively about the nuns”.
  
  https://web.archive.org/web/20130216232219/http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100202781/catholic-bashers-have-embellished-the-truth-about-abuse-in-catholic-institutions-its-time-to-put-the-record-straight/
  
  Again, I know it is a different subject, but it makes me wonder.
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:09am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Great distractor Fletch.
    
    The Catholic Church has tried to keep the lid on its failings for the poor and the dispossessed for donkey’s years.
    
    Nothing easier than just feeding out the hoary old chestnut about immoral wenches, slatterns, hysterical girls….
    
    Works a treat today, too.
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:37am
    - Fletch
      
      Um, the Catholic Church is the only one who cared for the poor and depressed for years and years. Where do you think St John’s came from? Before that, they were pretty much left to die.
      
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      January 13, 2021 3:13pm
  - kowtow
    
    Large residential institutions of any denomination ,secular or otherwise will have had similar issues, the western world over . Not justifying abuse , but times were very different and it’s too easy to point the finger. In fact it’s very much the in thing to.
    And recall much of the death , disease etc occurred during the 20’s , 30’s and 40’s which were challenging times for even the richest of countries .
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @Fletch
    
    You seem to be unaware of the continued many criticisms of the flawed McAleese report..
    
    https://www.thejournal.ie/magdalene-survivors-1166175-Nov2013/
    
    http://www.claddaghheartsolutions.com/the-magdalen-laundries-the-restorative-justice-scheme-an-illusion-of-justice/
    
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/magdalene-survivors-insist-state-not-fulfilling-terms-of-compensation-scheme-1.4288657
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:09am
Yvette

No politicians at Rātana in 2021
The decision to make the annual celebrations exclusive was due to internal issues at the pā, according to the MP for Te Tai Hauāuru, Adrian Rurawhe.
“There’s lots of different opinions, some people are very upset that we are in this position,” Rurawhe said.

What position?

“Some are feeling embarrassed by the situation we find ourselves in unfortunately, but we are just going to have to work through all of that.”
“Unfortunately, we won’t be able to welcome people from outside the Rātana Church.” – newsroom

It may be interesting, in time, to see what precludes the “normal place” of Ratana, whether “political” Ratana is necessary, or ever was.
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January 13, 2021 9:41am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  They have realised after 70+ years that Labour doesnt deliver.
  
  Look out Labour you might lose your 7 seat head start in 2023
  
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  January 13, 2021 12:55pm
BAM

A heads up.
I don’t recommend going to Rotorua anytime soon, without the tourists it’s gone completely feral.

There’s also the issue that all the motels are either being used for covid quarantine or are now housing the homeless from all over the central north island.
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January 13, 2021 9:41am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  You mean Rotorua wasn’t completely feral even when the tourists were there?
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:31am
MCos

A sobering article I saw this morning.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/533833-cnn-reporter-breaks-down-in-tears-during-report-on-coronavirus-in-california

The other day an aged FB friend in Yorkshire developed symptoms that one normally associates with a bad cold, but could also be covid-19.
She rang somewhere and the sent a do it yourself test kit and told her where to drop off the swab. A week later and still no result.
She’s dead miserable with nothing but the Telly and the phone for company. The cold is wearing off, but she can’t be sure so nobody visits and they’re in some sort of eternal lockdown over there . . . . .
She’s not very enamored of Boris, at all, and wished she was over here & how marvelous our PM was blah blah. I told her plenty of people here don’t think so.
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January 13, 2021 9:51am
- SB2
  
  And to think there are still Covid19 deniers /idiots lurking in the background.
  
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  January 13, 2021 11:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You still haven’t explained to all of us on KB what led to your transformation from mocking those of us who warned about Coronavirus in January, February and March 2020 into a Covid- true believer.
    
    Did you finally realise what exponential growth was or did your fellow trolls tell you to pull your head in?
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:41am
    - SB2
      
      MW, my criticsm of the alarmists like yourself was justified mainly because I thought it was simply politicking. and ideologically motivated . Anti Jacinda stuff. As it has turned out the voters have tended to agree with the Government’s approch to the Pandemic
      
      BTW you’ll have to agree she was and is doing a darn sight better than Boris Johnson and Donald Trump.
      
      Yes?
      
      Odd how many of the” alarmists “morphed into Covid 19 Denialists. No more harmful than the coomon cold or sniffles.
      
      Hopefully not you?
      
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      January 13, 2021 1:14pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I was never an alarmist SB2.
        
        I was well aware of the developing situation overseas.
        I was well aware of the parlous state of our hospitals to deal with an infectious respiratory outbreak.
        
        You don’t know me or my contacts or my background, but you take every opportunity on this blog to stalk and smear me.
        
        Your ignorance is astounding.
        
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        January 13, 2021 1:55pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Still worried about SB2 ‘stalking’ you, Maggy. I have a suggestion: try not replying to his comments.
        
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        January 13, 2021 2:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yet another attempt at victim-blaming there, mikenmildagain.
        
        I’m not too worried about stephieboy’s stalking/obsession … I’m just ever watchful as to the next tactic he and his fellow trolls and you will try to shut me up on this blog.
        
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        January 13, 2021 2:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        No one is trying to shut you up. You reply to one of his comments and then complain that he is ‘stalking’ you!
        
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        January 13, 2021 3:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @mikenmild
        
        SB2 stalked my comments about coronavirus early last year.
        Clearly, he had no knowledge or background about the virus.
        
        I think you will find he stalked my last-night’s comment on Ratana a couple of hours ago.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/01/general_debate_12_january_2021.html#comment-2873109
        
        All a bit pointless….
        
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        January 13, 2021 4:06pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  “marvelous our PM was …. plenty of people here don’t think so”
  
  Yeah, people are so discriminating: Boris and Trumpy voted in on big lies.
  
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  January 13, 2021 11:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern voted in on big lies. Your point?
    
    Is it that all politicians that are liars or just the ones you think are?
    
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    January 13, 2021 11:36am
    - Doc Holliday
      
      That you believe such nonsense is the problem – it allows liars and criminals to usurp political power.
      
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      January 13, 2021 2:07pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Really. List me one electoral promise from ardern in 2017 that was delivered.
        
        Al least in 2020 she didn’t promise anything but attempted to recycle the promises from 2017 until helen told her to just “save 80,000”.
        
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        January 13, 2021 3:51pm
      - Tall Man
        
        https://omnechiropractic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/whats-up-doc-ian-king.jpg
        
        Are you stumped?
        
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        January 13, 2021 7:46pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW….

US Federal Dudge orders ‘Stay of Execution’ for Lisa Montgomery, sentenced to death for strangling a girl to death then cutting her unborn baby from her womb, which she tried to pass off as her own 🙁

As my partner said – obviously hoping Sleepy ol Joe will take over as President.

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1348877391880400900
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January 13, 2021 9:57am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the same Judge who was suddenly blinded by any evidence of election fraud?
  
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  January 13, 2021 10:11am
  - SB2
    
    No evidence of election fraud even when they for example recounted meticulously the Georgia vote,
    
    https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia-elections-4eeea3b24f10de886bcdeab6c26b680a
    
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    January 13, 2021 10:44am
JibberJabber

https://www.wnd.com/2021/01/tulsi-gabbard-big-tech-money-platforms-still-immunity/

“It goes to money. …. I’ve seen it happen,” she said. “Google will have a big reception and members of Congress will go and pick up their checks. Facebook will have a big reception and they’ll go and ‘hey, where’s my check?'”
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January 13, 2021 10:01am
Maggy Wassilieff

Australia at cyberwar
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6222099870001
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January 13, 2021 10:10am
Surely Knott

Further from NZstuff, “Both Facebook and Twitter indicated their bans were prompted by a concern for public safety. Twitter explained that it believed two tweets from Trump risked inciting further violence.

Those tweets stated that Trump would not attend president-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration on January 20 and said “patriots” who had voted for him would not be disrespected.” “Twitter said it determined the two tweets were likely to inspire people to replicate Wednesday’s attack on the US Capitol building, which has been blamed for five deaths.”

Ah are they for real? The tweets said he wouldn’t attend the inauguration and patriots would not be disrespected. – those are the violent thoughts we must be protected from? Arbitrary, cynical, unprincipled activity from twitter. The only word the privacy commissioner missed was political. This is partisan politics of the most censorious kind. It is a coup more powerful and designed to have more impact than the numpties who entered the capital building.

“https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123908707/nz-privacy-commissioner-says-social-media-bans-on-trump-arbitrary-and-cynical
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January 13, 2021 10:30am
JibberJabber

From todays Ripleys Believe it or Not file,

Thread
See new Tweets
Conversation
Twitter Public Policy
@Policy
Ahead of the Ugandan election, we’re hearing reports that Internet service providers are being ordered to block social media and messaging apps.

We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet.

It’s like they are a parody of themselves…
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January 13, 2021 11:00am
- JibberJabber
  
  Twitter Public Policy
  @Policy
  ·
  3h
  Replying to
  @Policy
  Earlier this week, in close coordination with our peers, we suspended a number of accounts targeting the election in Uganda.
  
  If we can attribute any of this activity to state-backed actors, we will disclose to our archive of information operations:
  Information Operations – Twitter Transparency Center
  Insights into attempts to manipulate Twitter by state-backed entities.
  transparency.twitter.com
  Tip
  Twitter Public Policy
  @Policy
  ·
  3h
  Access to information and freedom of expression, including the public conversation on Twitter, is never more important than during democratic processes, particularly elections.
  
  #UgandaDecides2021 #KeepItOn
  #KeepItOn: Making your voice heard to end Internet shutdowns
  Twitter stands for the open Internet. The free flow of information are more vital than ever. We’re supporting @AccessNow and the global KeepItOn coalition to oppose internet shut downs
  blog.twitter.com
  
  Stop it, stop it, I can’t breathe….???????
  
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  January 13, 2021 11:08am
Maggie Pie

AGREE : Uptick
or
DISAGREE: Downtick

https://twitter.com/PhilHillman1/status/1349106253285400577
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January 13, 2021 11:04am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Up Down Half-Pie
  
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  January 13, 2021 11:26am
I remember when

So Ratana are split between the Maori Party and Labour support.
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January 13, 2021 11:19am
- Paulus
  
  Ratana cancellation, and probably Waitangi cancellation, doesn’t augur well for Labour in the next election with a separate Maori Party.
  Jacinda and Grant have two years to set up enough money for Maori to survive remaining Labour loyal.
  After all it is only other people’s money
  
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  January 13, 2021 2:31pm
Maggie Pie

My partner wonders if Trumpy might use @Wikileaks to dump something interesting?
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January 13, 2021 11:28am
- SB2
  
  “to dump something interesting?”
  
  Such as?
  
  Another Hunter Biden Conspiracy theory?
  
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  January 13, 2021 1:16pm
oldfella

Hard to believe that Twitter just tweeted this… but they did. True. No sh*t, Sherlock.
https://notthebee.com/article/i-honestly-cant-believe-twitter-just-tweeted-this-but-twitter-just-tweeted-this
It’s okay when the left do it.
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January 13, 2021 11:31am
Tony Stuart

I’ve probably signed my Twitter death warrant this morning for retweeting the following, with the addition of “From the “Tweets that didn’t age well” department…

“Twitter stands for freedom of expression. We stand for speaking truth to power. And we stand for empowering discussion.”

– Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey, October 5, 2015

Three cheers for Twitter and Jack Dorsey; hyp, hyp, hypocrisy!
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January 13, 2021 11:55am
- Mrs_Right
  
  I deleted my Twitter today, I never use it but stuff them!
  
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  January 13, 2021 12:34pm
Ehlana

First figures I’ve heard of regarding excess deaths due to Covid-19: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55631693

To November last year, the UK is reporting 85,000 more than expected (based on the previous 5 years). The analysis is quite useful: “On one hand, excess deaths are at their highest since World War Two, while on the other, death rates, once age and size of population are taken into account, are at their worst level for a little over a decade ‘only’… It shows the pandemic has undone the progress made in the last decade or so. That is significant – especially given this has happened despite lockdowns and social-distancing measures to stop the spread of the virus.”
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January 13, 2021 12:20pm
- fernglas
  
  The test will be to see whether excess deaths once this is over are below the average, and for how long and to what extent. That will give a better idea of life years lost. This link will let you keep a track of excess deaths in Europe:
  https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
  
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  January 13, 2021 12:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  I wonder if general health has improved or declined over the past decade.
  
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  January 13, 2021 12:38pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Probably a bit of both Tall Man. Advances in medicine can help cure ailments or prolong life; advances in obesity undermine that. The way I read the analysis (undone the progress) is that general health had improved, but the effect of the improvements has been lost.
    
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    January 13, 2021 1:28pm
    - Tall Man
      
      So that could be construed as keeping the “almost dead” alive for longer which can also have the effect of increasing those at risk to covid or any other widespread illness like a bad case of the flu or a severe stomach bug.
      
      The likelihood of the covid vaccine being a “magic bullet” then seems greatly exaggerated.
      
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      January 13, 2021 5:21pm
Maggie Pie

I’m new to impeachments. Would you guys recommend getting the 2020 version, or waiting for the new one in 2021?
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January 13, 2021 12:23pm
- Ehlana
  
  They’re time limited Maggie. You missed the 2020 edition, but there’s still time to get the 2021 issue.
  
  Are you collecting?
  
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  January 13, 2021 12:34pm
- fernglas
  
  The 2021 has many new features, such as a hybrid old fossil fuel/hot air engine, no-one in the driver’s seat, and it needs quite a lot of choke, clutch and throttle. But at least the 2020 model was given a bit of a run and its flaws are widely known
  
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  January 13, 2021 12:37pm
  - Fletch
    
    Both the 2020 and the 2021 models are run by the same fossil ~~fuel~~
    
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    January 13, 2021 6:30pm
kloyd0306

Lefty Herald and their gift of part of the $50 million in tax payer funds, are so lazy they have to use lefty, anti-Trump AP remarks yet again.

AP’s Jill Colvin and Zeke Miller not only describe efforts to expose fraud during the Presidential election as baseless, they also omit the fact that BLM and Antifa were behind the violence of the protests at the capitol.

The saddest part is: The left and their sycophants at the Herald are both lazy and unchallenged then getting away with both at our expense.
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January 13, 2021 12:26pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-QAafFt6xc

Oz 1 Presitator 0.

This year Australia had a bumper wheat crop and the paper dragon wanted to hurt Australian agriculture by cutting down on imports of the staple crop from down under. Yet, the Scott Morrison government in Australia has found a solution- it has started to look at Southeast Asia as a huge market for selling the bumper wheat crop.
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January 13, 2021 12:47pm
- [email protected]
  
  And Australia also found other markets for much of the coal that China stopped importing. Apparently some cities in China are now running out of electricity.
  
  The thing to recognize is that politicians can’t or won’t realize the unexpected results of their unwise decisions and end up hurting the very people they are supposed to be supporting
  
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  January 14, 2021 7:23am
curry4me

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2021/01/10/watch-nunes-calls-for-a-racketeering-investigation-into-big-tech-censorship-n2582899

Is It RICO Time?

House Intelligence Committee Ranking Member Devin Nunes (R-CA) on Sunday called for a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) investigation into Big Tech stifling the new social media platform Parler.
“The effect of this is there is no longer a free and open social media company or site for any American to get on anymore because these big companies – Apple, Amazon, Google – they likely destroyed what was likely a billion dollar company,” Nunes explained to Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo. “Poof. It’s gone.”
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January 13, 2021 12:47pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Has Nunes moved on from suing Twitter, his mom and his cow?
  
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  January 13, 2021 1:55pm
cha

Remember when someone grabbed 70TB of Parler data….

At least several users of the far-right social network Parler appear to be among the horde of rioters that managed to penetrate deep inside the U.S. Capitol building and into areas normally restricted to the public, according to GPS metadata linked to videos posted to the platform the day of the insurrection in Washington.

The data, obtained by a computer hacker through legal means ahead of Parler’s shutdown on Monday, offers a bird’s eye view of its users swarming the Capitol grounds after receiving encouragement from President Trump — and during a violent breach that sent lawmakers and Capitol Hill visitors scrambling amid gunshots and calls for their death. GPS coordinates taken from 618 Parler videos analyzed by Gizmodo has already been sought after by FBI as part of a sweeping nationwide search for potential suspects, at least 20 of whom are already in custody.

https://gizmodo.com/parler-users-breached-deep-inside-u-s-capitol-building-1846042905
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January 13, 2021 1:12pm
- James Stephenson
  
  Glenn Greenwald is a hero of you lefties, or at least he was when he was backing up Fat Kim against John Key. Right?
  
  Well, according to him, the precise number of arrests after the Capitol riot, of active Parler users was…zero. The organisation (by those who had a plan and self-evidently the majority of unmasked types wandering around like lost tourists had no plan at all) was done on Facebook.
  
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  January 13, 2021 2:19pm
  - Batman
    
    Greenwald is an egotist who is now the darling of Trumpworld. But sure, continue…
    
    There are literally screenshots and data of Parler posts all over the internet.
    
    The term “storm the Capitol” was used 100,000 times in the lead up to 6 Jan.
    
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    January 13, 2021 2:24pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Do you think there’ll be Tee-Shirts?
      
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      January 13, 2021 2:34pm
    - alloytoo
      
      You sure they weren’t there to kill Pence, after all that was trending on Twitter?
      
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      January 13, 2021 3:28pm
      - Batman
        
        They did chant “hang Mike Pence”, so I’ll let you solve that riddle.
        
        I’m sure he wasn’t the only target of the MAGA brown shirts
        
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        January 13, 2021 3:38pm
      - alloytoo
        
        What part of “Trending on Twitter” did you seek to avoid?
        
        Oh all of it. (and Brownshirts were socialists)
        
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        January 13, 2021 4:51pm
      - Batman
        
        Socialists?
        
        I think you’ll struggle to find a single historian who agrees
        
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        January 13, 2021 5:54pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Socialists?
        
        I think you’ll struggle to find a single historian who agrees.
        
        But not an economist.
        
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        January 13, 2021 7:11pm
- herb1
  
  An alternative view which may not suit your narrative , would be .” Majority of the horde who invaded the Capitol are alleged to be Facebook users”
  
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  January 13, 2021 3:48pm
Maggie Pie

Orchard once again fails to bear fruit.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1349164834261266434
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January 13, 2021 2:44pm
- sooty
  
  She was over the age of consent, just looked young!
  
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  January 13, 2021 5:32pm
Maggie Pie

CNN reporting that Nancy has named Eric Stalwell as one of the impeachment managers despite the Fang Fang scandal.

What does that tell you?
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January 13, 2021 3:02pm
- JibberJabber
  
  she’s a …. you choose ?
  
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  January 13, 2021 4:44pm
- Fletch
  
  “Farty” Swalwell is a real piece of work…
  
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  January 13, 2021 6:29pm
JibberJabber

Democrats for the last 4 years,
https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1348973421057732610

According to the the media – Melanin levels and hat color are the determining factors in judging the relative militancy of a protest or the serene calm of a riot.
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January 13, 2021 3:09pm
- scrubone
  
  In reality, an awful lot of Black Lives Matter protests/riots were almost entirely white.
  
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  January 13, 2021 4:33pm
Fletch

A war correspondent who has physically covered over 500 protests and was present at the Capitol on the 6th says there is no doubt that Antifa led the attack on the Capitol using tactics they learned in Hong Kong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bIeKj7fZ8U
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January 13, 2021 3:16pm
- Batman
  
  Hahahahaha can you spell d e s p e r a t e out for us?
  
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  January 13, 2021 3:40pm
  - Fletch
    
    And you’re the expert, because?……
    
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    January 13, 2021 3:50pm
  - alloytoo
    
    At least two prominent BLM terrorists were have been identified already as having been there.
    
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    January 13, 2021 4:53pm
    - Batman
      
      No link?
      
      So far the only people identified by law enforcement are Trump fans.
      
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      January 13, 2021 5:53pm
      - alloytoo
        
        I provided links in another post.
        
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        January 13, 2021 7:13pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well, I doubt it, so he is wrong.
  
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  January 13, 2021 3:58pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Why would Trump call in Antifa when he has tame thugs – that he loves?
  
  Would you consider leaving your brain to science, like Einstein did?
  
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  January 13, 2021 5:04pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

A sad day for Coon lovers. The woke have another feather in their caps…..
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/300204187/new-name-revealed-for-australias-controversial-coon-cheese
When we lived in Sydney & Melbourne, we loved
getting some of the local Coon. Sadly, no more Coon. It will be replaced by the name Cheer…..sadly, not the same. Coon Names Matter…..My wifes cousin is a distant Coon, she will no doubt be upset by this latest “cancel”
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January 13, 2021 5:01pm
Batman

Oh look, here’s Alex Jones, who to be fair is unreliable at the best of times, saying the White House wanted him to lead the March to the Capitol and had him leaving 30 minutes early.

Where’s the incitement denial crew? ??????
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January 13, 2021 5:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No link. Trolling Batman
  
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  January 13, 2021 6:45pm
Fletch

Remember when left-wing terrorists bombed the Senate in 1983 (the blast shattered the second floor of the Senate wing) and Bill Clinton pardoned them on the way out, at Jerry Nadler’s request?

Fact: House Judiciary Committee Chairman @RepJerryNadler got President Clinton to pardon terrorist Susan Rosenberg, who planted a bomb outside the US Senate chamber in 1983 to try to assassinate Republican senators.

https://twitter.com/JMichaelWaller/status/1347827144894853121
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January 13, 2021 6:35pm
- Fletch
  
  Bonus – one of the bombers, Susan Rosenberg, has sat on the board of directors of Thousand Currents, an organization which handles fundraising for BLM.
  
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  January 13, 2021 8:39pm
Maggie Pie

You will all recall i posted earlier about the US Dudge that issued a ‘stay of execution’ for the demented murderer Lisa Montgomery.

Well it look like Trumpy. in all his wisdom, has overturned that decision, and Lisa is now in the hands of Satan.

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1349233735946952705

Good on you Mr President for following the wishes of the majority. Hopefully you can gat a lot more done before the 20th. MAGA!!
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January 13, 2021 7:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Question:
Who writes cheques in the hundreds of millions of dollars and doesn’t even get an indicative delivery date for the goods?

Answer:
Grant Robertson

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2101/S00026/lack-of-clarity-on-vaccine-delivery-astonishing.htm
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January 13, 2021 8:15pm
Inandout

Un bloody believable, what a twat that Twitter guy is.
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5ffe9a709cd48c07edea8531
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