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I remember when

Breathless media MIQ announcement.
Experts warning over using MIQs with sub-par ventilation!
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January 26, 2021 8:04am
- JackRabbit
  
  Something which anyone with a casual knowledge of respiratory diseases and who has ever stayed in a hotel have known since the beginning.
  
  But especially Covid-19 which according to Cindy and Ashley, can live outside the body for days, can migrate with airflow, and settle on lift buttons, stair-rails, walls, anything being carried by MIQ staff, including the hazmat suits they don’t wear.
  Any mother from the baby boomer generation and earlier, with an IQ over 90, could tell you that putting possibly infected people in a building together is a really stupid idea. Isolation, not integration into a common air space, is the key to preventing spread. Hotel air is bad enough in the first place, and makes a perfect breeding ground.
  
  Next the “experts” will have an epiphany about putting milk on cornflakes.
  
  This latest African variant is not community transmission. It is a disgraceful outright MIQ / border failure.
  
  By comparison, if a nutter breaks out of prison, steals a gun out of an unlocked parked police car and shoots up the community, we don’t call this community unrest. We call it a jail-break and lazy police failing to lock their vehicle when not in attendance.
  
  An MIQ failure should not be called community transmission. It should be called what it actually is – an MIQ failure. It is dishonest to blame the community for what is an MIQ failure.
  
  If there is any lock-down to be had, it should be MIQ management, not the public.
  
  Is there a vaccine against stupidity?
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:03am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Is there a vaccine against stupidity?
    
    Yes; it’s called the General Election. However the views of the anti-vaxxers won out last year!
    
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    January 26, 2021 11:04am
    - pdm
      
      Excellent Inv.
      Worth more than one up tick.
      
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      January 26, 2021 11:21am
    - surfing
      
      Yes, if someone votes for the other side they must be stupid.
      
      This is the type of thinking that is deeply dividing society.
      
      Come on, just because someone voted for Jacinda does not make them stupid. They might be stupid for other reasons, but not that.
      
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      January 26, 2021 12:27pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      It used to be called Darwins Natural selection.
      
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      January 26, 2021 1:35pm
  - Bob
    
    Unfortunately, despite extensive scientific research there is NO VACCINE AGAINST STUPIDITY; but it is far more prevalent and more contagious than COVID19 will ever be.
    Just take a walk about the community, or listen to some public utterances, and note the numerous examples
    
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    January 26, 2021 11:33am
- Chuck Bird
  
  While the ventilation is a possibility it is far more likely through close contact during exercise or a smoke break. Those in MIQ should stay in their rooms 24/7 like in Oz.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:05am
  - sooty
    
    Or sharing a van that does multiple trips to go to the gym and then is used for getting supplies etc for the rest of the day!
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:11am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Is that a comic line or is expected reality so distorted?
      If a govt can’t house its people, no wonder.
      
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      January 26, 2021 9:56am
  - Sacha
    
    A few years back, when I was working in a big city hospital, there was a an outbreak of a ‘flu-type sickness.
    No-one was swabbed. Staff were sent home with disprin and VitC. Patients were discharged where possible, and put into ‘infectious’ wards if not.
    The reason for not swabbing was that naso-pharyngeal swabs require a certain expertise to perform, and many people do not master the technique(which is rather unpleasant for the swab-ee). If it is not done properly, the swab may not encounter the virus, and a negative result is reported.
    And once the person is symptomatic, well, swabbing only tells what is already known.
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:14am
Frank the tank

If none of patient zero’s close contacts test positive is the SA variant really that much more virulent?

Patient zero performed a tiki tour of Southern Northland so it will be interesting if no one else is infected or indeed it’s a very low level of cases.
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January 26, 2021 8:15am
- Notsofast
  
  Low viral load means this one is fortunately a fizzer.
  
  The real question is why we have returnees at 5 times the Australian rate.
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:44am
  - sooty
    
    Along with kiwis having trouble getting MIQ spaces because of foreigners, essential workers, entertainers and sports people!
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:15am
  - David Garrett
    
    Notso: The better question is if this virus is as serious as Cindy and Chippy claim, why is the border still open at all?
    
    Either this is a virus an outbreak of which must be avoided at all costs, or it really is only a risk to the old and infirm. If it is the former, the border should be completely closed NOW. If it is the latter, then the scaremongering from the top should cease.
    
    While this Northland woman appears to be an exception, it is clear that the “kiwis” returning since Christmas have by and large been people born elsewhere who have obtained citizenship or residency here. As far as I am concerned that category of “kiwi” can wait it out on their country of origin.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:18am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      On the first question – the virus is serious. I have changed my mind over the last few months based on the evidence and the science.
      
      On your second point New Zealand cannot refuse entry to citizens. We are subject to a number of conventions that require us to let them in.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return#:~:text=The%20right%20of%20return%20is,the%20legal%20concept%20of%20nationality.
      
      You cannot assume that returning citizens have the right to remain elsewhere. I personally know two people who have returned in the last 6 months because their visas/residency permits have come to an end. The flip side is that there are people in New Zealand whose visas (eg. working holiday visas) are coming to an end. They need to leave.
      
      To the best of my knowledge there is no country in the developed world that has closed its borders to its citizens.
      
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      January 26, 2021 9:50am
      - David Garrett
        
        Benedict: While that link is indeed very interesting reading, in my view all of those treaties and conventions are subject to the central rule of our constitution that “parliament is sovereign”…in other words it is entirely open to parliament – which of course really means the executive, all the more so now, given Labour’s overwhelming majority – to enact a law temporarily suspending operation of those those treaties and closing the border.
        
        I am not saying that that is necessarily the right course…but an open border is entirely inconsistent with what we are being told about the severity of the virus.
        
        I personally don’t know what to think: for every well qualified virologist who says it’s really no worse than the flu unless you are over 65 and have other conditions, there is another who says it would be worse than 1918 if it broke out in the community.
        
        Given what we have seen overseas, it would appear that the first version is the more correct if not entirely correct. While Sweden’s “herd immunity” approach seems to have failed, it’s not remotely like 1918.
        
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        January 26, 2021 10:51am
      - kowtow
        
        DG
        
        Sweden never had a goal of “herd immunity” , that’s another Media Big Lie and utterly refuted by the Health Minister in an excellent interview on Al jazeera .
        
        Google Swedens Unorthodox response al jazeera.
        
        Yes it got into their old folks places but again she explains that .
        
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        January 26, 2021 11:50am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        David – I recommend this guy as a source on COVID.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF9IOB2TExg3QIBupFtBDxg
        
        Decades of experience as a medical educator. Non political. Just reports on what the evidence and science says. He has been posting about 5 times per week (sometimes more) since the pandemic started. I only discovered him 3 months back. I was in the “its no worse than the flu – lets just protect the old people”. But I changed my mind. Not many middle aged people die but a lot more do than because of the flu. But many get seriously ill and end up in hospital so the health system gets over run.
        
        Also the new UK and South African strains are 55 percent more contagious than the original virus. That is why the UK is in such trouble. There is also some good evidence out yesterday that suggests that the new strains are also more deadly than the original, as well as being more contagious.
        
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        January 26, 2021 1:09pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        I run the very real risk of becoming stateless for when I sign off.
        Numerous emails to MBIE, Maritime NZ etc, If I dont have a forward ticket and refused to fly because of a voucher I can not obtain at short notice due to the very nature of my work, Then yes I will be detained under “desertion” and in Myanmar this actually means that.
        I cannot even take the risk under emergency allocation waiting 2-3 days before approval is granted.
        What to do.
        Looks like spending 4 months over contract until vessel returns to Singapore as the risk will be too high.
        Getting pissed of about Wiggles finding a solution.
        Im far from isolated case and in fact 5-6 in same company have these very same issues.
        However we have a professional and moral obligation to keep supply chains running regardless of Government mis management.
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        “To the best of my knowledge there is no country in the developed world that has closed its borders to its citizens.”
        I and my fellow Seafarers have been Indirectly stopped from entering because of Voucher system at short notice.
        
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        January 26, 2021 1:47pm
      - theoldbloke
        
        It is interesting to read the comments on Kiwiblog.
        Viva la free speech.
        Well almost.
        Apparently I am not allowed to comment Prat? when I read something stupid. But muppet appears ok?
        
        Anyway. Its seems that commenters by and large fall in to 2 groups.
        The rational thinkers (such as yourself)
        and the Mindless braying hyenas.
        
        According to them, my country of citizenship and location for the last 69 years says I am not welcome as I was not born here 🙂 Yep a Mindless Braying Hyena response.
        
        Whereas those same people rant on about the rule of law and the illegality of Road Blocks put up by maori. You get my point about mindless responses.
        
        Its refreshing to read some real thinking and references in support.
        
        Thank goodness for the scroll down capacity in this blog.
        
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        January 26, 2021 4:09pm
    - Notsofast
      
      I agree, there is no categorical imperative for anyone to have access to New Zealand until there is a bullet proof system.
      This is entirely Ardern’s fault in my opinion, but as always the generals are untouched.
      
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      January 26, 2021 9:57am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “….there is no categorical imperative for anyone to have access to New Zealand until there is a bullet proof system.”
        
        There is an imperative. The law. Section 13 of the Immigration Act provides that New Zealand citizens have the freedom to enter New Zealand at any time. So Parliament would need to change the law. In doing so we would become the only country amongst developed nations to refuse entry to its citizens.
        
        https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2009/0051/latest/DLM1440595.html?search=sw_096be8ed81a41316_citizens_25_se&p=1
        
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        January 26, 2021 10:55am
      - Notsofast
        
        Different question, at the moment there are thousands without access anyway. It is a question of when not whether.
        
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        January 26, 2021 11:38am
      - kowtow
        
        How do we import/export to keep the economy going then . Serious question.
        
        There is no bullet proof system.
        
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        January 26, 2021 11:52am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        @Benedict – the current MIQ voucher system would seem to contradict that law. If you can’t get a voucher you don’t have the “right to enter New Zealand at any time”.
        
        Also Australia get around it by simply putting caps on the number of inbound flights permitted at international airports. “Sure, you’re free to enter at any time – but if you can’t get a commercial flight in, that’s not our fault”
        
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        January 26, 2021 3:03pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “They are us”
      
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      January 26, 2021 10:37am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Brilliant!!! Wait for the refugees to flood in soon.
        
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        January 26, 2021 10:43am
    - Local Miller
      
      A family moved into my rental on the 23rd Jan, coming here directly from managed isolation. They were able to come back to NZ because the father was born in NZ, and as such was allowed to come back as an expat. Most of those on their flight were in the same boat. Apart from rare exceptions, most of those entering the country appear to be expats. The exceptions are for critical Human Resources, so for work purposes where the employer has been able to prove (to MBIE) that they can’t get an equivalent person locally and they can’t manage without the resource.
      My tenants very vaguely crossed paths with the woman at the centre of this current case, so they are now self isolating in our rental and waiting for another test to come back. They all, tested negative 3 times while in MI, the last test being done 3 days before they were released.
      His feedback is that the conditions in the Pullman are crap. They are watched by soldiers whenever they are in common areas, the adults have a small courtyard to exercise in, the children (under 6 years old) had a conference room. The kids were not allowed to even lie on the floor because “this could spread the virus”. The soldier(s) watching them would tell them (kids and parents) off if a child even tripped while running.
      Bagged meals (often cold) were pretty much dumped at their door, and there was no going out to go to the gym or swim. This woman either managed to bypass all controls, or was helped or the aircon or similar is the problem.
      I’ve said for a long time it’s BS keeping people in hotels, we have a number of almost empty military bases, seperate rooms in seperate bungalows with a lot of open space where people could exercise and be kept seperate. The bases have catering facilities and would be a lot cheaper than hotels to run. From my previous involvement with the NZDF I’ve been onto a number of these bases, including once were over 1500 people were temporarily catered for through one of them for 7 days.
      
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      January 26, 2021 3:17pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Our highest priority should not be looking for patient zero. It was an MIQ failure, so we need to be looking for MIQ dumb and dumber “zero”, and replace them.
  
  Who keeps letting the dawn of the dead zombies into the security compound? Who design the systems that allowed infections to propagate in MIQ? Unless you find the actual cause of the infection spread, you will keep having infections.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:11am
  - MCos
    
    There have been approx 70,000 people gone through MIQ. I would suggest the system is working as well as can be expected.
    Some people say we’ve been lucky. The better the system the luckier you get.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:32am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I dunno about that.
      
      A toddler playing with match sticks in the forecourt of a petrol station springs to mind with regards to (little) Aotearoan MIQ.
      
      Each to their own though – a lot of Aotearoans like being treated like mushrooms.
      
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      January 26, 2021 11:16am
    - theoldbloke
      
      And yet all the moaners (ie 1 person caught something in MIQ) are still happy to drive on the roads where hundreds die and thousands are seriously injured every year.
      
      Rational thinking seems to have been drained from some commenters brains and been replaced with WHATIFS. ie whatif somebody infects and kills your granny…ho hum
      
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      January 26, 2021 4:14pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Don’t forget that the woman herself tested negative at least twice before being released from MIQ. I hope all her close contacts have been booked in for second tests in a few days.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:31am
  - JackRabbit
    
    But she got in MIQ sometime during the period when she was in MIQ, so it stands to reason she tested negative if at that stage she had not been infected or the virus had not yet taken hold.
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:02am
  - tf78
    
    Tony, what if her positive test was actually a ‘false positive’ – has she been tested again since.
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:21am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Then a helluva lot of people wasted hours yesterday sitting in line in their cars waiting for Covid tests many didn’t need.
      
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      January 26, 2021 11:06am
      - pdm
        
        ALL is not fo naught though.
        
        Chippy got some TV time.
        
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        January 26, 2021 11:27am
  - Paulus
    
    Yes, done and all returned negative today.
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:23am
  - theoldbloke
    
    I was just reading about the Chinese closing down a food market (250 acres) because of a case.
    
    This comment jumped out………..
    Authorities used geo-spatial data from people’s mobile phones to send text messages to many who visited the market, asking them to quarantine. Restrictions varied, depending on the neighborhood and building.
    
    So why doesnt NZ do the same thing?
    Rather than rely on the scan thing only
    
    https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/selina-wang-asia-covid-quarantine-intl-hnk/index.html
    
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    January 26, 2021 6:08pm
mortis

Sick of seeing National push policy areas kiwis already agree with . Kiwis voted Labour because of the poverty smashing all caring Jacinda mania. National must connect Labour’s policies to the starving kids going to school with no shoes. By showing middle NZ how badly they are doing at their supposed strengths, and providing reasonable alternatives, they can draw the common sense kiwi back from Labour.
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January 26, 2021 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  ‘common sense kiwi back from Labour.’
  
  Contraditio in terminis
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:55am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s easy to point to a contradiction in terms but I don’t think it helps. The reality is that thousands of people who didn’t vote Labour last time decided to do so, and National needs to find a way to win them back.
    
    Labelling those voters as stupid, especially those who only voted for Labour for the first time, or the first time in many years, or suggesting they cannot possibly have common sense, is hardly going to make them feel like voting National, is it?
    
    I think mortis is right – National needs to highlight Labour’s failures and draw a direct line from their policies to the impacts – rising homelessness, rising child poverdy, rising unemployment and so on.
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:47am
- Geoff1
  
  Common sense and Labour are mutually exclusive.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:21am
- Nickc2
  
  NO! We must reduce welfare dependency, not add to it. Parents must be held accountable for their offspring. Sure, we can feed kids at school so long as their parents pay for it and that includes staff required to deal with catering etc.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:29am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    The problem is National doesn’t believe that. Many of their members do, but as a party they have decided it’s easier to get votes by spraying money in the general direction of the problem, just like Labour does.
    
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    January 26, 2021 11:02am
    - artemisia
      
      Unclear atm what National as a party believes in. I will be happy if their policies are underpinned by the social investment approach. Which is completely the opposite of spraying money around. We shall see, I hope.
      
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      January 26, 2021 11:35am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Are uniforms neccessary for an education?
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:59am
  - Ehlana
    
    I would have thought some kind of clothing is – so perhaps the real question is, why is school uniform clothing so much more expensive than the alternate clothes the parents would buy for their children?
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:09am
    - namron
      
      School uniforms save parents from the many challenges and cost that young people would cause by keeping up with the “latest fashion etc” daily.
      
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      January 26, 2021 11:00am
      - Ehlana
        
        namron, I think you’re right. But if that is the case, why do we get parents complaining every year about the cost?
        Perhaps what is actually necessary is a way of spreading the cost: stationery + BYOD + uniforms = annual amount/pay packets per year to give the amount to be set aside at each pay interval. Sort of like a supermarket Christmas club, but for schooling.
        
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        January 26, 2021 5:02pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Ask the school uniform providers/manufacturers who feed back commissions to the schools.
      
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      January 26, 2021 6:24pm
  - tf78
    
    Chuck, I don’t think they’re necessary for education as such, but in the long run cheaper than casual clothes for parents to buy. (I’m not including private scho0l uniforms in my response).
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:25am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Obviously not as plenty of people are getting educated while not wearing a uniform. I would ask a different question:
    
    Can the right to attend your closest state school legitimately be made subject to conditions that have little connection to education, such as requiring every student to wear clothes that the school specifies?
    
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    January 26, 2021 2:35pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Nigel, school uniforms fulfill a number of requirements. One being that the PTA don’t want their school to be a fashion parade in which mums can dress their daughters in the nicest clothes (a competition between mums).
      Another and probably most important is that a uniform provides kids with a sense of belonging and often pride (not that they will admit it).
      Didn’t you ever feel a sense of pride when you appeared on a sports field wearing your school’s colours?
      
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      January 26, 2021 2:48pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Except for private schools uniforms are of dubious legality. Boards my well have exceeded their boundaries in ganging up with clothing suppliers and getting a kickback for it. The practice has been going on for years.
        
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        January 26, 2021 6:27pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  There is nothing like “common sense kiwi”. National is irrelevant as far as Kiwis are concerned. Whatever they say, the phone is off the hook. So don’t bother calling.
  
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  January 26, 2021 10:45am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Depressingly correct.
    
    Scratch ‘kiwi’ off the vernacular as well. They have been converted to the cult of (little) Aotearoa. No matter what you say to (little) Aotearoans they still think the Blairite is the second coming of Christ.
    
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    January 26, 2021 11:21am
    - IC5000
      
      Sounds like many here are still bitter about their beliefs being rejected by the electorate. Not sure if raging about people’s stupidity is the way to go but telling them you know better than they do because they are morons is unlikely to produce the desired result.
      
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      January 26, 2021 2:12pm
kowtow

Yesterday’s discussion of the Tokyo Olympics got me thinking;

Now that it’s OK for men to compete as wimmin , will the IOC reinstate all those Bulgarian weight lifting records and medals ?
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January 26, 2021 8:22am
- Jack5
  
  Are you talking about this, Kowtow?
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/sydney/story/0,,371743,00.html
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:50am
  - Nickc2
    
    Page has been taken down.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:37am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Nah it’s there but the link doesn’t parse for some reason. If you highlight the whole link, then Ctrl C and paste it into your browser it comes up. The article is about the whole Bulgarian weightlifting team being thrown out of the Sydney Olympics in 2000.
      
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      January 26, 2021 10:53am
      - Nickc2
        
        Yea Lodden, thanks. I remember the Bulgarian weightlifting team debacle, I was there.
        
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        January 26, 2021 11:52am
  - kowtow
    
    Link wouldn’t open.
    
    Just fomenting a bit of mischief , is all.
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:16am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Link doesn’t quite work, but this one does
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/sydney/story/0,,371743,00.html
    
    [Mod. Note: Copy & paste the entire link to get to the page, including the final .html]
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:49am
artemisia

State of the Nation from Ms Collins 1pm today. Like to see some lines in the sand.
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January 26, 2021 8:22am
- rockape
  
  I think you may be disappointed, we will get more socialist like policies and nothing else. I would love to be wrong!
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:14am
  - Batman
    
    Rockape: the problem is that some now define anything more moderate than Ayn Rand as being socialist.
    
    So plenty are just setting themselves up for disappointment in order to continue the apocalypse narrative.
    
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    January 26, 2021 1:39pm
  - rockape
    
    And some on the left think that Government not controlling every part of our lives is Far Right. that personal ambition is Far Right and that other than equal outcomes is Far Right.
    
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    January 26, 2021 2:12pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Don’t waste your time. She is a total failure. There will be nothing new. What do you expect from a party that re-elects Peter Goodfellow?
  
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  January 26, 2021 10:47am
Scott

Can anyone tell me if Northland is going into lock down? I’m supposed to be on holiday there next week. It’s looking very dodgy.
Last time our PM put Auckland in lock down for 4 cases. I’m just thinking we need a couple more positive covid tests in northland and they’ll be put into lock down. Am I wrong?
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January 26, 2021 8:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think our PM and her Maori Ministers will do as much as they can to avoid Northland next week.
  I think their twinkle dust is beginning to wear off.
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:44am
  - peterwn
    
    It is Waitangi Day in nearly two weeks. They will be hoping for things to settle down on the Covid front before then because it is a big political occasion for them.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:03am
    - sooty
      
      Cindy has a bit of time up her sleeve yet.
      She only canceled ChCh the day before, after spending hundreds of thousands on the event and who got all the free food not used?
      Is she having another attempt at holding it this year after last years failure?
      
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      January 26, 2021 9:21am
    - NoCash
      
      Is “big political occasion” the code word for photo ops?
      
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      January 26, 2021 9:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    I doubt Northland will be shut down due to photo opportunities being available at the Waitangi debacle soon to be celebrated.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:41am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Twinkle dust will never wear off. Anybody wants to engage in a prediction with me now about 2023 elections?
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:47am
    - Frank the tank
      
      2026 is looking tenuous at this stage!
      
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      January 26, 2021 11:24am
    - redflagged
      
      I will.
      
      My prediction is that 95 out of every 100 people lives become just a little bit worse each year, but not enough for a revolution.
      
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      January 26, 2021 3:30pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yes, you are wrong.
  
  The Auckland lock down was a 100% ego driven power trip. ‘You think Taranaki was epic? Look what I can do if you piss me off’ Adhern at her finest
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:45am
  - Batman
    
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    Sorry paulus but you’re letting your hatred of her make you totally deranged.
    
    The Auckland ‘lockdown’ was hardly that. It was some masks and working from home where possible.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:08am
    - Ruahine
      
      The Auckland lockdown was a political stunt and was totally unnecessary. The same as any lockdown now is unnecessary.
      As of the 24th there are 64 cases in quarantine. None is in hospital none is in ICU. This is mostly hysteria.
      
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      January 26, 2021 9:32am
    - tf78
      
      Batman IT KILLED OUR ECONOMY to boot, yes your princess did an extremely good job on that delivery.
      
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      January 26, 2021 10:35am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Killed inbound tourism. Crippled hospo. Arguably if we had no lockdown, inbound tourism would be just as dead and hospo almost as crippled. Plus we would have a whole lot of covid (?) Sort of like Sweden . Maybe like the UK even.
        
        Rest of the economy not looking too sad. KBers with a property portfolio are a bit confused by how this government they hate has just dropped a big prezzy in their laps ….
        
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        January 26, 2021 11:22am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Why were there road blocks then?
      
      Checking warrants and rego’s? I don’t think so.
      
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      January 26, 2021 11:24am
    - Frank the tank
      
      “Sorry paulus but you’re letting your hatred of her make you totally deranged”.
      
      Could we say the same about you and Trumpy?
      
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      January 26, 2021 12:02pm
      - Batman
        
        No Frank, you probably just need to stop obsessing about your failed and fired President.
        
        Ruahine: yes there is an argument to be made there but “100% ego driven power trip” is not a decent argument. It is merely a petty whine.
        
        Tf78: are you talking about the first lockdown? It did kill the economy but was sadly necessary if you look at what has happened to other economies who are still severely hampered, not to mention the economic and social costs of the tens of thousands of deaths.
        
        Paulus: so you’re just mad that JAFAS who tried to dodge the alert level got caught? Sad, JAFAS always thinking about themselves, typical.
        
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        January 26, 2021 1:45pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  I would strongly advise against basing your holiday plans on Kiwiblog comments. If there is anybody here who genuinely knows the answer, they have no business telling it here ahead of any official announcement.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:09am
  - sooty
    
    Spoil sport!
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:22am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Yes, why would you even ask when there a number of Covid 19 fruit cakes present.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:41am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Just noting that Ruakaka I think it was, had 2 testers and someone doing the details. When on the wharf at Auckland with the last community infections they had a tent with at least 8 testers and 5 or 6 doing the paperwork. Very hard to understand when Whangarei is less than 2 hours away there was not a standby unit sent there straight away. Maybe they don’t have them which would be pretty thick but not totally surprising. Also hard to fathom why they didn’t have someone or signs saying tests were either for close contacts or those showing symptoms.
      
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      January 26, 2021 9:50am
      - Frank the tank
        
        That’s St Ash for you – the master administrator. Another covid myth.
        
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        January 26, 2021 11:26am
- MCos
  
  “Can anyone tell me if Northland is going into lock down?”
  
  No.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:42am
- rouppe
  
  Mmmm. I’m supposed to be going to Auckland over Waitangi weekend
  
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  January 26, 2021 10:01am
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The Hunter Biden hard drive ( the “hard drive from hell” ) has provided a slew of absurd and unfounded accusations circulating through cyberspace and social media. One of them claims that ,

“Hunter Biden had 25,000 pics of him torturing and raping children under age 10 in China on his laptop!” Infowars laughably has claimed that “Trump has footage of Hunter Biden raping and torturing little girls.” Much of this orginates from, let us guess , Channel 4 . The conclusion is that the FBI is investigating the Hunter Biden hard drive for Child Pornography which is , of course ,absolute nonsense. Not forgetting the false claim that the owner of repair shop John Paul Mac Isaac — owner of The Wilmington Mac Shop was bumped off by deep state ( read Biden Clinton ) operatives . Currently the FBI is in possession of the hard drive to establish if was part of a disinformation campaign unleashed by the Whitehouse a couple of weeks before the election.A campaign that rebounded on Trump bigly.

But naturally many Trump supporters believe this bs stuff and no doubt the disreputable and now discredited Rudy Giuliani. Not forgetting the vanquished Trump now continuing to sulk and lick his wounds at Mar-a-Lago.

Whilst Rudy chases up his old pal for $20,000 aday legal fees. Trump as alwys refuses to pay. Such is matesmanship and sheer genius.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/17/fbi-probes-possible-russia-link-hunter-biden-data-trump-ally-giuliani/3661895001/
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January 26, 2021 8:24am
- Rich Prick
  
  Your head’s tenant moved out a week ago. Change the locks and re-advertise.
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:45am
  - Frank the tank
    
    TDS is a disease. It requires treatment not encouragement.
    
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    January 26, 2021 11:40am
    - Batman
      
      If you consider the hard drive claims to be even vaguely truthful then you’re probably already in deep on the sovereign citizen nuttery which thinks Trump will be made 19th President on 4 March haha (maybe people have spent too much time at the 19th hole?)
      
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      January 26, 2021 1:49pm
- Andrei
  
  Yes the internet is full of crap – I don’t know why you have this compulsion to add to it, have you thought of seeking professional help?
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:47am
  - Batman
    
    Andrei, why don’t you ask your criminal thug buddies back in Moscow that question?
    
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    January 26, 2021 1:50pm
- alloytoo
  
  This is the first time I’ve seen any of these claims.
  
  You must trawl in some pretty unsavory places.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:42am
cmm

I’ll repeat what I said a few days back:
A cruise ship is a hotel on the water.
A hotel is a cruise ship on the beach.

If a virus can rip through a cruise ship (partially via airconditioning) then it can rip through a hotel.

Of course a virus can spread through airconditioning and anyone who thinks, or ever thought, otherwise is a bloody idiot.

And no, it isn’t just droplets that spread a virus. Aerosols do too. The distinction being size – Aerosols are droplets smaller than around 10 um (approx 100th of a millimetre).

A single aerosol particle can hold millions of viruses. Yes, they are that tiny.

The whole way these isolation facilities are run is a complete joke.

It would be far better to put people in tents in the fresh air – seperated by cohort – far away from cities so that they don’t sneak out for a night on the tiles.

Not only should we be rethinking how to do isolation. We should also rethink how we define experts.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-experts-urge-rethink-on-using-isolation-hotels-with-sub-par-ventilation/JPY2RIIN246PLZUZDJECRQIQMQ/
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January 26, 2021 8:24am
- Simon
  
  Just relax for fucks sake. Covid 19 is just another corona that’s why so many people already have natural immunity. Covid 19 will be around forever long after Arden has fucked off to the UN.
  
  HCQ, ivermectin and vitamin d. Don’t worry about the clown show. They are a train wreck regardless
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:34am
- Ehlana
  
  If only there was a technology that allowed each room in a building with an external wall to directly access outside air. Something that allowed you to control the airflow, letting in more when it is hot and less when it is cold, while still able to keep out the rain…
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:48am
  - Yvette
    
    Ehlana – you mean a “window”?
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:01am
    - cmm
      
      matapihi, apparently.
      
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      January 26, 2021 9:58am
    - Ehlana
      
      I like that name.
      
      But Maggie says it might be colonialist technology, so I guess that’s out then.
      
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      January 26, 2021 10:36am
  - Bob
    
    I believe that such technology does exist; it is called a WINDOW THAT OPENS. Looking around the suburbs of Auck there seem to be a lot of windows, but very few that apparently can be opened. An open window allows fresh air to circulate, also prevents mildew and similar growths something that aheat pump doesn’r do.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:10am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Sounds a bit like some imperialist /Colonizing type of technology.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:13am
    - sooty
      
      But management has decided that they will not fit opening windows because the quests have a tendency to jump out them and besides a window that doesn’t open is cheaper.
      If your hotel door has a little grille in the bottim it means the airconditioning enters the room and exits the room thru the grill into the corridor, to be shared with others.
      
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      January 26, 2021 9:30am
  - backster
    
    er windows
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:17am
Simon

Omg omg! Mutant strain of covid. Mutant!!

Save us Jacinda cure covid like last time Baaaaaar Moo moo moo Jacinda tell us we got this. Mooo moooo we are in this together Baaaaaar!. Jacinda!
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January 26, 2021 8:28am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who is this Jacinda of whom you speak?
  Where is the invisible woman?
  Is she still the PM or has she retired?
  Will someone please find her.
  On second thoughts, leave her in hiding.
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:47am
  - cas
    
    Saw her on the news last week at the Labour caucus and said to my partner she looked as though she hadn’t had a holiday at all. Quite strained and pale. But of course she is not going to front bad news……….
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Audrey Young had that covered in today’s Ferald.
    
    “Virus spoils first Cabinet get together”
    
    ( naughty virus , spoiling Jax’ show)
    
    Well diddums , here we are in the middle of how many gubmint created ’emergencies” ; Wuflu response, Climate, Housing , incarceration, debt (public and private) education , oh and her chosen subject child poverty ……..
    
    ……..and these panic mongers are just getting back from a long summer holiday . There can’t be any “emergencies/crises ” if they can have such long holidays .
    
    And ;
    
    “The plan had been to begin the year with with a confidence building exercise by presenting an outline of NZ’s vax preparations”
    
    See that , a ‘confidence building exercise’ , nothing concrete , just more theatre .
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:08am
    - cmm
      
      Aww poor wee lamb.
      
      It really is pathetic how they rush to her emotional aid like she’s a 2 year old who had her birthday party ruined by the wrong flavour icecream.
      
      FFS she’s supposed to be a PM, not a petulant kid.
      
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      January 26, 2021 11:01am
  - Frank the tank
    
    On ‘faceslut’ live preaching to the cult members
    
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    January 26, 2021 11:41am
  - Nickc2
    
    Don’t tell me she went to the World Economic Conference (Davos). She doesn’t even know what GDP is FFS.
    Oxygen thief!
    
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    January 26, 2021 12:08pm
- burt
  
  Just think, the media with their $50,000,000 in funding will tell us that we are covid free and we can all do a little covid dance – before we wake up and find it was all lies.
  
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  January 26, 2021 8:50am
G152

From the ‘reports’ you’d imagine that all health systems were overrun.
Until you read up on the usual flu seasons and how the Health system managed up to now.
And the royal message from the dais or our daily propaganda fix….
Fake news, lying politicians
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January 26, 2021 8:34am
- cmm
  
  Quite
  
  The problems are not really being created on the demand side (ie. not massively more sickness and death), but on the supply side due to lockdowns etc screwing up the supply chain.
  
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  January 26, 2021 11:06am
I remember when

Is this SA strain of the virus harder to stop escaping from MIQ than a super-powered combination of Houdini, The Fugitive and the NZ National Aquarium Octopus.
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January 26, 2021 8:39am
- cmm
  
  It is supposed to be much more infectious (~50-70% depending on who’s counting…).
  
  But I suppose it could also be due to all the special forces training from conscription during the apartheid era.
  
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  January 26, 2021 11:09am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Biden has fired whitehouse physician and installed his own personal doctor in the whitehouse, Hid’n something?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/535665-biden-replaces-controversial-white-house-physician-with-personal
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January 26, 2021 8:42am
- SGA
  
  According to your link, he is replacing the one that Trump chose for himself a couple of years ago with his own personal physician. I don’t find anything scary or odd about that on the face of it? For all I know, there’s nothing unusual about that.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:25am
Maggie Pie

Meet America’s…… ‘First Family of Health’ 😛

https://twitter.com/TurekAndrew/status/1353447210596274176
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January 26, 2021 8:47am
- kowtow
  
  Please tell me that’s a skit , please.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:09am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Stand by….SB2 currently scanning for evidence of photoshopping 😀
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:54am
- Nickc2
  
  I mistook them for the US Secretary of Defence, his PA and Personal Trainer.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:58am
- Rich Prick
  
  By American standards that’s pretty healthy.
  
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  January 26, 2021 10:19am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Attn Mods: I see where my OP has now had ’21 upticks’ but the gold background has still not appeared.
  
  Have the goalposts been moved by any chance?
  
  [Sorry MP, accept it – we just don’t like you, this is our subliminal message. 🙂 Mod.]
  
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  January 26, 2021 4:22pm
  - IC5000
    
    > [Sorry MP, accept it – we just don’t like you, this is our subliminal message. ? Mod.]
    
    Mods, thats a bit mean. Maggie relies on the external validation of upticks as a measure of her self-worth.
    
    Please reconsider.
    
    [Sorry you lack the sarc. detection gene, most recognise the 🙂 but that seems lacking in your case too. Mod.]
    
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    January 26, 2021 5:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think you need to subtract the downticks from upticks to get your Gold background Sum.
    
    I haven’t figured out why some posts turn pink…
    22:4 is hardly controversial is it?
    
    [You are correct MW, Sum>20 = Gold acclamation. Mod.]
    
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    January 26, 2021 6:10pm
Fletch

Mark Levin and newt Gingrich deconstruct the election and Biden’s first days in office. America has never been in this much trouble. If you think otherwise, you’re blind.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ijaly54goC8
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January 26, 2021 8:51am
- Batman
  
  Lol ok sure thing, old white guys from the 90s.
  
  It is interesting to watch the GOP engage in zero reflection and instead respond to losing the House, WH and Senate by doubling down on a strategy which is delivering diminishing returns as the general electorate moves away from their brand of ultra-conservative white-centric fear mongering.
  
  Best of luck to them, I suppose. They would have been better off paying heed to their 2012 review but instead are worshipping the fringe elements.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:07am
  - Fletch
    
    Actually, Republicans made massive gains in the House and Senate.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:13am
    - Biscuit
      
      Que?
      
      Granted, the Republicans reduced the Democrats majority in the House significantly (winning 13 seats to leave the Dems’ 222-212 ahead but the SENATE? Good grief, control there reverted (albeit very narrowly) to the Dems…
      
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      January 26, 2021 10:30am
      - Batman
        
        Biscuit: I think Fletch is referring to the state level, which is true they made gains but not “massive” by any stretch. That’s what happens when you have spent a decade gerrymandering I suppose.
        
        And if he is referring to the Congress, well we will mark it as another case of Fletch living in a parallel universe. House gone since 2018, WH in 2020 and Senate gone in 2021 with a hard path in 2022.
        
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        January 26, 2021 1:55pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Your post doesn’t sound original Batman. Is it a Frazer House construct by any chance?
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:03am
    - Batman
      
      Nick, it’s rather amusing that just because I challenge the nonsense copy/pasted here from US conservative fringe characters, I’m somehow a Labour Party stooge?
      
      Shows just how out of touch some of you have got with the real world outside of the media bubbles you inhabit.
      
      I’ve never voted Labour or Green and never intend to.
      
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      January 26, 2021 1:57pm
- MCos
  
  “Your head’s tenant moved out a week ago. Change the locks and re-advertise.”
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s going to be a long, long year for some folks.

We can’t keep celebrating last year’s gains. Ardern’s reputation is at stake.

This won’t be the last case.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/01/duncan-garner-jacinda-ardern-must-call-in-ashley-bloomfield-after-northland-testing-mess.html
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January 26, 2021 8:52am
- cmm
  
  Auntie Helen will step in and tell us how terrible it is that PriNZess is being let down by the people around her.
  
  She’s the Bridget Jones MP. She doesn’t need to be competent. In fact, being competent would probably detract from her popularity.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:09am
  - Biscuit
    
    cmm, now that Eden Park is open again for night-time gatherings, maybe Auntie Helen might book it for a ‘RALLY FOR JACINDA’, led by her good self.
    
    Oh, wait, I see a flaw…
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:43am
  - alloytoo
    
    I object to your defamation of the fictional Ms Jones.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:55am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Well, I think Jacinda has been terribly let down by the numpties that surround her.
    If she had a half decent cabinet she would be rated one our great prime ministers. She hasn’t, so therefore she isn’t.
    
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    January 26, 2021 2:26pm
Chuck Bird

Judith Collins will be making a State of the Nation speech on Facebook at 1pm.

Hopefully, she has a good go at the incompetent government handling of MIQ.
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January 26, 2021 9:02am
- kowtow
  
  If that’s all she’s got then the country’s toast .
  
  Cos teddy bears win every time.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:10am
  - Ruahine
    
    Teddy Bears worked last time didinit.
    
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    January 26, 2021 11:03am
- cmm
  
  As much as I like to put the boot into Labour, the reality is that National has not really presented many useful options either.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:10am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    cmm, I hope to hear some at 1 pm. I hope she says that those in MIQ stay in thier rooms 24/7.
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:29am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Just don’t let fresh infected people into the same hotel mid way into the quarantine.
      
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      January 26, 2021 9:44am
    - kowtow
      
      Sheesh .
      
      Don’t panic . You’re just playing the gubmint’s game .
      
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      January 26, 2021 10:20am
    - cmm
      
      So did yah?
      
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      January 26, 2021 3:28pm
  - Sacha
    
    ‘Useful options’ – no point in presenting them. The govt has absolute majority and not the slightest interest in hearing what ANYONE has to say, so it would be a total waste of breath.
    We can bet that the media will put the most destructive view that it can, on Judith Collin’s opinions.
    
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    January 26, 2021 10:30am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Probably going to argue why NZ like Australia should bend over for Google.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:58am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

President Xi Jinping addresses Davos, warns leaders
“The new cold war could turn hot”
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January 26, 2021 9:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Good reminder Maggie Pie
  
  https://www.weforum.org/events/the-davos-agenda-2021
  
  Has our Dear Leader been asked to speak… or is she yesterday’s news?
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:17am
  - sooty
    
    She doesn’t get the same adulation when on the tellie as when she travels. Neither do the couple of dozen hangers on and the media get freebies!
    
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    January 26, 2021 9:38am
Fletch

Democrats have introduced their first bill which will pretty much remove all safeguards from voting in the future, allowing fraud on a massive scale forever.

https://populist.press/democrats-introduce-bill-that-will-destroy-america-with-one-swipe/
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January 26, 2021 9:11am
- SGA
  
  Well, at least Guilaini will now have an opportunity to expose in court Dominion’s part (intentional or unintentional) in rigging the election. You must be very excited about that.
  
  It does seem odd that Dominion itself is providing him with the opportunity though.
  
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  January 26, 2021 9:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    I don’t recall Rudy making grand assertions around Dominion. not like Sydney Powell did.
    
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    January 26, 2021 11:31am
    - SGA
      
      It will be a very short trial then, won’t it. Anyhow, isn’t this a wonderful opportunity for Team Trump to show how it was rigged. Guiliani must be extremely happy about it.
      
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      January 26, 2021 12:46pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Well Dominion may not enjoy discovery.
        
        Michael Mann is trigger happy with his law suits, but they always seem to stall in discovery.
        
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        January 26, 2021 2:19pm
      - IC5000
        
        I assume Chavez will be giving testimony by ouija board?
        
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        January 26, 2021 3:19pm
      - Batman
        
        No no, Chavez is very much alive, just like JFK Jr!
        
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        January 26, 2021 4:38pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Happily, at least some of our elites apparently do still see the need for probity in elections. Without integrity in our selection processes, what else do we have left?
  
  https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1353138258851606529
  
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  January 26, 2021 10:07am
Maggie Pie

SCHEESH!!!

Julie-Anne pinpoints the problem and provides the solution…
Twitter followers from Mt Roskill reply in full agreement

https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1353625575580028929
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January 26, 2021 9:26am
- alloytoo
  
  Well Julie-Anne is a socialist, she understands neither work, nor investment, nor invention.
  
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  January 26, 2021 2:22pm
- GJM
  
  pretty rich from someone earning in the top 2-3% income band in NZ as an unelected unqualified MP. How much of her bloated salary does she give to the poor, or pay as extra tax even if it is not required?
  
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  January 27, 2021 11:12am
Maggie Pie

COVID?

WHAT COVID??

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1353804837318627329
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January 26, 2021 9:50am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Typical. The usual Hall Monitors for the New Tyranny in the comments predicting that these people will pay dearly for exercising their inalienable human rights. What is the psychology of someone who agitates and advocates for their own enslavement?
  
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  January 26, 2021 10:15am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Interesting post from William Gibson (Author I think), that if you give people even 1/30th of recommended dose of Pfizer vaccine you still get pretty good immune system response, so maybe it would be worth vaccinating everyone quickly with a much smaller dose over next few weeks rather than waiting for full measure and follow up with more later as it becomes available. https://twitter.com/wgibson/status/1346088589722050565
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January 26, 2021 9:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No, not the science fiction author.
  
  Click on his name and you’ll see he is a biomedical researcher.
  https://twitter.com/wgibson
  
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  January 26, 2021 12:05pm
Fletch

I get the feeling we’re being primed for a lockdown…
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January 26, 2021 10:06am
- Ruahine
  
  Been lots of propaganda in the Gov’t MSM the last couple of weeks. Magically found a ‘probable’ case to keep the hysteria rolling.
  
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  January 26, 2021 11:07am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That’s required under the Davos rules. Covid lockdowns combat climate change as does population reduction.
    
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    January 26, 2021 6:41pm
- alloytoo
  
  had that feeling for a few weeks
  
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  January 26, 2021 11:32am
- dave_c_
  
  Indeed – Ramping up the stakes, in order to impress their masters, and to ensure the opportunity for total enslavement never falters.
  
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  January 26, 2021 11:37am
- Batman
  
  Fletch you also had feelings that Trump would win in a landslide, National would win in a major comeback, Hillary would be in jail, Crusher would crush, just as a starter for ten.
  
  I think you need to start critiquing your feelings mate.
  
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  January 26, 2021 2:00pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yeh, but I didn’t take into account Democrat fraud
    
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    January 26, 2021 2:19pm
    - Batman
      
      Oh you’re still believing the mass delusion and can’t accept that reality didn’t go your way?
      
      Sad!
      
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      January 26, 2021 4:37pm
  - IC5000
    
    > Fletch you also had feelings that Trump would win in a landslide, National would win in a major comeback, Hillary would be in jail, Crusher would crush, just as a starter for ten.
    
    Fletch needs to start giving out investment recommendations. If I do exactly the opposite I should be rich.
    
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    January 26, 2021 3:21pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Justice is sometimes temporarily denied.
    
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    January 26, 2021 6:42pm
- Southtop2
  
  Last week one of the writers at No Minister was betting we would be in lock on 9th February (allows St Cindy to have phots taken at Waitangi) and then out of lock down on 13th March (allows St Cindy to get the hair done, the tee towel in place, practice the frowny face and get to Christchurch for the Aussie Mosque anniversary on 15th).
  Be in interesting sweepstake -name the date and time in e.g. Midnight 9th Feb and out 6am 14 March?
  
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  January 26, 2021 4:27pm
  - Batman
    
    All this fevered speculation by those wanting some fresh hate porn is kinda out of whack with the good news from the testing done to date.
    
    You’re living in a Fox-style fear dream.
    
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    January 26, 2021 4:42pm
cmm

Chch city council having a self congratulatory back-pat for scoring the SailGP for Littleton using a wodge of ratepayer money.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/124048864/a-colossal-get-for-christchurch

Champagne and ego-rubbing all around!

How about doing some of the boring stuff like fixing leaking pipes?

Nah, we’d rather put ourselves in the same league as San Francisco. Rather not me thanks – San Francisco is a shit hole of druggies and homeless people.

https://www.city-journal.org/san-francisco-homelessness
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January 26, 2021 10:42am
- Maggie Pie
  
  As much as I might find yachting booorrring, yuge kudos must go to Sir Russell Coutts.
  He’s a really lovely guy, a special New Zealander, and a true patriot.
  
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  January 26, 2021 11:03am
  - lifesgood
    
    Had you in for drinkies at Tindalls yet?
    
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    January 26, 2021 1:08pm
Fletch

Adobe abandoned Flash the other day. A railroad in China was still using it for their timetables and didn’t realize it had been deprecated, so they ended up using a pirated version.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/38897/adobe-flash-shutdown-halts-chinese-railroad-for-over-16-hours-before-pirated-copy-restores-ops
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January 26, 2021 10:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  There are legitimate work arounds for Adobe Flash. Equivalent functional code is not necessarily pirate.
  
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  January 26, 2021 6:46pm
MCos

Wasn’t there someone from Ch’ch grizzling about the lack of a summer the other day?
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January 26, 2021 11:05am
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da0YARpkI3U
  Would be my answer
  “Stop the weather waffle”
  
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  January 26, 2021 11:38am
- Nukuleka
  
  A couple of hot days does not a summer make. Summer thus far has been very humdrum in Christchurch and when we get heat it is generally accompanied by the exhausting nor westerly wind. Not sure why you have to be such an unpleasant codger, MCos.
  
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  January 26, 2021 11:41am
RW Capitalist

Woman gets covid in MIQ and walks into the community.
Just another reason NOT to use hotels in our cities.
They knew to isolate contagious diseases, far from cities, in the middle ages….
PSSST, Jacinda, Chris, Ashley
I-N-C-O-M-P-E-T-E-N-C-E
is how you spell it and is the one word answer to your whole covid response.
To assuage your ignorance (boarding on/surpassing stupidity) read
“Influenza pandemic response plan c 2017”
Easily available on the Ministry of Health web site.
Ask Grant Robertson how to “hack” into it.
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January 26, 2021 11:35am
- Frank the tank
  
  As explained before – the Health Ministry did not want hotels as MIQ. MBIE did to somewhat insulate the hospitality sector.
  
  Grunter won out over Clark. The Blairite was busy in the corner with her crayons and unicorn colouring in book
  
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  January 26, 2021 11:48am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Thanks for pointing out the problem
    In our system, the bureaucrats make the suggestions
    and the politicians make the decisions.
    This clown car govt have it ass about face
    They abdicate the decision making to the bureaucrats, so as to avoid taking responsibility when it all fails.
    
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    January 26, 2021 12:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hey Wellingtonians

Do your toilet business in the suburbs … the city’s dunny system is ~~creaking~~ leaking under the load.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/01/central-wellington-asked-only-to-flush-when-essential-after-wastewater-pipe-bursts.html
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January 26, 2021 11:54am
- Frank the tank
  
  Surprise, surprise – our cities are now third world shitholes
  
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  January 26, 2021 12:14pm
- Batman
  
  Yep, our council and it’s council controlled company should all be fired and paraded through the streets for some gender neutral humiliation.
  
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  January 26, 2021 2:02pm
Maggie Pie

Missing Trumpy yet? 😀

As my partner said, what else would you expect from a ‘President’ who has never owned a business, employed staff, or actually done anything in his entire life……

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1353815113590075394
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January 26, 2021 12:09pm
- SB2
  
  MP, a reminder that great US Presidents like FDR and Harry Truman had limited business experience.
  
  By contrast, Trump has a string of business failures and big debts and to figure out how to pay them.
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-story-of-trumps-business-career-his-taxes-and-his-debt-2020-9?r=US&IR=T
  
  I don’t think Joe has a lot to worry about.or Trump as an idel role model.
  
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  January 26, 2021 1:31pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that when Sleepy Joe is announcing something new, he sounds like:
  
  a) he’s seeing these words for the very first time as he struggles to read them?
  b) he desperately needs a nap?
  
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  January 26, 2021 2:22pm
cmm

Iwi’s contentious Covid checkpoints to return, Govt ‘failing to protect vulnerable’

Contentious? Strange way to spell “illegal”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-checkpoints-to-return-iwi-group-says/DRINS54PIY4IGTVLEPUZ22HR54/
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January 26, 2021 12:12pm
- Nickc2
  
  Come on Judith, take this opportunity to call a debate on illegal Maori Malitia controlled roadblocks. Start it on Twitter and then progress to TV and hopefully into the debating chamber of parliament. This is an illegal act, aided and abetted by NZ Labour’s Maori Caucus.
  Go Girl!
  
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  January 26, 2021 12:22pm
- kowtow
  
  If Collins really wants to cut labour’s lead she can use this as a point of difference (as many KBers are calling for) .
  
  One law for all , the rule of law , a common shared culture of all the people of this country , the values of a true democracy and a commitment to freedom and personal responsibility .
  
  No race check points , one law for all.
  
  Betcha she won’t.
  
  Critical theory has made very deep inroads.
  
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  January 26, 2021 1:12pm
  - sooty
    
    Kiwi, not iwi!
    
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    January 26, 2021 8:01pm
- cmm
  
  According to $1uff’s latest Covid Show:
  
  “Ardern was asked about iwi checkpoints being set up. She said we’re at level one and people can move freely around the country.
  “The only thing I ask is that iwi in those cases work closely with police,” she said. They need to ensure that anything happening in this space is legal.
  ”
  
  Sorry miss, the cops do not determine what is legal or not. The cops participating in an illegal roadblock just makes the cops criminals – it does not make the roadblocks legal.
  
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  January 26, 2021 3:51pm
Don Beckett

Sarah Huckabee Sanders is running for governor of Arkansas – she is an amazing young woman. Here’s her opening statement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opbMn-n76AQ&feature=emb_logo
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January 26, 2021 12:36pm
- curry4me
  
  Don Beckett: I hope she gets the job.
  
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  January 26, 2021 3:15pm
I remember when

Mexican study of 100,432 individuals with covid between March-July, 2020, found only 285 presented signs they had been affected twice.
For 14 patients there were negative tests but, for the rest, the second positive was 28 days or more after the first. In some cases 60 or 70 days later.
In cases out of Hong Kong, Europe and Nevada the genomes of the virus causing first and second results weren’t identical.
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January 26, 2021 12:38pm
- cmm
  
  “found only 285 presented signs they had been affected twice”
  
  At 0.2% that’s well within the noise. Easily explained by mis-filing results/samples or by testing errors.
  
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  January 26, 2021 2:02pm
Don Beckett

The start of the devastation that the Biden administration is causing the US economy and hard working Americans. An engineer, just lost his job with the cancellation of the pipeline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-v76kM0gWo
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January 26, 2021 12:46pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yea, IMO the pipeline was cancelled because Biden’s and Democrats biggest donator (Bloomberg) wants to transport the oil via his Railroad. Payback in full!
  
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  January 26, 2021 12:51pm
Stu2

Dominion Voting Systems is suing Rudy Giuliani for $1.8 billion. They have already gone after Sidney Powell.

Making ridiculous claims might have a cost. I wonder if Trump repeated them
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January 26, 2021 12:49pm
- Don Beckett
  
  The fact is that they have hard evidence that the machines can be altered, and in fact a forensic examination of 2 machines in – If I recall – Georgia which clearly demonstrated that the machines were tampered with during the election.
  
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  January 26, 2021 1:22pm
  - SB2
    
    Don Beckett, link please other than NewsMaxx, OAN or Infowars etc
    
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    January 26, 2021 1:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah, let’s have the opinions of CNN – and madcow MSNBC. Then we get the truth //
      
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      January 26, 2021 3:13pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Poor precious, do facts worry you?
      
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      January 26, 2021 6:52pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      I know you are a lazy & unintelligent prick, SB2, so a 5 second google search gave this – an order by a judge, which proves my point.
      https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/election-integrity-watchdog-demands-judges-order-preservation-of-evidence-that-could-reveal-election-fraud-301192286.html
      
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      January 26, 2021 7:33pm
  - Stu2
    
    The states that did hand recounts got results almost identical to the machines. Georgia was one of them.
    
    Both Giuliani and Powell repeated the Venezuelan claim (Dominion “really is a Venezuelan company” and that it uses software originally created to help the now-deceased Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez, fix elections).
    
    Conspiracy theories don’t hold up well in court. I think the two of them are going to come out of this badly
    
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    January 26, 2021 1:42pm
    - Batman
      
      Love to see capitalism taking no shit from deranged kooks who defame them in public!
      
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      January 26, 2021 2:04pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Really? Capitalism was defamed by deranged kooks?
        
        Oh, I see – you mean when Jacinda said that “capitalism has been a blatant failure for poor children on NZ” (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ardern-capitalism-a-blatant-failure-for-poor-children-of-new-zealand/4SSLQRAMSW3IPV2SUESXX7QNME/).
        
        Yes, I guess that qualifies as defamation from a deranged kook. As if to prove how stupid that comment was, three years of socialism has considerably worsened the position for poor children of NZ, of whom there are now significantly higher numbers. Nice one Cindy.
        
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        January 26, 2021 3:21pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Of course hand recounts deliver essentially the same result – the hand recount does not take into account votes passed thru the machine twice or more, opposing votes shredded and many other shennannigans.
      
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      January 26, 2021 7:36pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It was a surprise: a live demo of the machines being interfered with from a foreign country in front of a State inquiry. (They were declared to be internet free!)
    
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    January 26, 2021 6:51pm
I remember when

When we have a really hot day in summer is it because of the CO2 in the atmosphere?
And, when we have a really cold day a day later where has all the CO2 gone?
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January 26, 2021 12:52pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, you gotta larf at the loser from the ‘Caravan Association’ that just called Shaun Plunkett to complain about getting fined by the Queenstown Council for sleeping in their Motohome on the streets of Wanaka.
Just move on dikhead – you’re not welcome!

A friend of ours at Manly was telling my partner he fixed the problem around his area with a bag of ‘Z’ Nails. Word gets out obviously.
LOL!
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January 26, 2021 12:59pm
Jack5

NZ’s racing-enthusiast ex-politician, Winston Peters, would love this …

India’s top horse racing family is a core part of the world’s battle to control Covid-19.

The Poonwalla family owns the pharmaceutical group whose Serum Institute of India (SII), is the world’s largest vaccine maker by volume.

The Poonwallas also own India’s biggest racing stud farm, and have won the Indian Derby 10 times.

SII’s facilities are flat out, making 50 million doses a month of the AstraZeneca/University of Oxford vaccine.

The Telegraph reports that five people died in a fire last month in an additional building under rushed construction at the SII plant.

The newspaper reports:

While Western drug giants like Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and universities like Oxford have cracked the vaccine technology, the daunting logistical task of physically manufacturing enough doses – especially for the giant populations of developing countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America – has fallen to a large extent on the shoulders of SII.
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January 26, 2021 1:19pm
Loddenthinks

No surprises to learn the illegal checkpoints are about to be set up again in Northland.

Checkpoints to be set up in Northland
Tai Tokerau Border Control met last night to discuss plans to deal with the latest threat to the people of the north “the community case of the more contagious South African coronavirus strain.

“We’ve been in touch with the police, iwi and health authorities, and we intend standing up Checkpoints in key points across the north to protect our old people and everyone else in the north” said Reuben Taipari, TBC Regional Co-oordinator.

“We’re disappointed that government has not already initiated plans to protect kaumātua and kuia in the north and Māori people in general, who comprise some of the most at-risk groups to the latest virulent strain”

They have even set up an agency FFS – “Te Tai Tokerau Border Control.” So there is now a border is there? Te Tai Tokerau has seceded from the rest of New Zealand, is that what they’re suggesting? Separate laws, separate health care, separate education, gosh – I think there’s a name for that sort of thing isn’t there? They tried it in that place the new strain has come from, if I’m not mistaken. Didn’t end well.
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January 26, 2021 1:36pm
- redflagged
  
  If I’m not mistaken this all seems a bit racist, but I forgot that Maori are allowed to be in New Zea… Aotearoa.
  
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  January 26, 2021 3:46pm
- Southtop2
  
  the irony of the south African strain and the apartheid in NZ – delicious if it wasn’t so sad.
  
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  January 26, 2021 4:36pm
- cmm
  
  If there is a border, then they live in a different country and they don’t get access to our taxes and hand outs.
  
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  January 26, 2021 7:56pm
Nickc2

Ouch!
Is this the beginning of the parting of the ways between Biden, Pelosi and Schumer? I sure as hell hope so. Then again, the dynamic aforementioned trio may accelerate the demise of Biden (Amdt. 25) in preference of Commie Kamila. We will see.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9186539/House-Democrats-deliver-article-impeachment-accusing-Donald-Trump-incitement-insurrection.html
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January 26, 2021 1:55pm
I remember when

Why do articles about Graeme Hart becoming richer never ask whether staff working for his firms have become better off. Have their employment opportunities benefited. Has it resulted in more people in the workforce.
Is much of his increased wealth tied up in his businesses with benefits for the economy.
When he dies how much will he still have left: how much will still be left if the government takes it.
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January 26, 2021 1:58pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Possibly because it’s his business and nobody else’s. I can assure you that estimates of his wealth are no more than wild guesses, and are certainly not based on any hard information.
  
  I’m sure if anyone approached his staff to ask such questions they’d be told to bugger off, as they should.
  
  Disclosure: one of Hart’s businesses was a very good client of my software business some years ago. The staff I dealt with were excellent and well looked after. Invoices were paid bang on the button and they were great to deal with.
  
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  January 26, 2021 3:28pm
kowtow

A silent NZ lemon variety.

This from our leading journos !

“And, the 30 percent of the crop that is produced in the summer is quiet a small volume because a lot of lemons have been removed and replaced with gold kiwifruit.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/435206/lemons-in-short-supply-in-new-zealand-this-summer
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January 26, 2021 2:05pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I agree. I have found growing lemons to be quiet. But my wife says that after I squeeze quite a lot of lemon juice into my gin & tonic I no longer remain quiet.
  
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  January 26, 2021 2:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My lemon tree has shitloads of new fruit. This year is bonus year – every 2 years we get double crop. Last winter/spring I took boxes and boxes to work. Put a wheelbarrow load down the drive and some lowlife stole my wheelbarrow.
  Now if journos are looking for lemons, don’t come to my place, just go to the 9th floor in the bee’s nest
  
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  January 26, 2021 3:18pm
Maggie Pie

Judith Collins says…. “National would introduce legislation to stem skyrocketing house prices”

As my partner just said, “It’ll be 2 ticks Labor if we hear any more of this sh*t”
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January 26, 2021 2:06pm
- kowtow
  
  Declare emergency and remove right to appeal .
  
  Oh dear , very “fascist” , to use the current vernacular . Quite a concern coming from a lawyer and supposed proponent of the market and freedom.
  
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  January 26, 2021 2:12pm
  - mandk
    
    I don’t agree.
    
    What she is proposing is emergency legislation to remove the impediments inherent in the existing RMA and a reduction in the powers of local councils to stop land owners from building houses.
    
    Sounds more libertarian than fascist to me.
    
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    January 26, 2021 3:05pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘What she is proposing is emergency legislation’
      
      You’re happy with that ?
      
      As predicted with the climate “emergency” . Then covid emergency , now housing emergency , next a crime emergency ?
      
      Be careful what you wish for .
      
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      January 26, 2021 5:45pm
- greybeard
  
  I have just read this:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300214413/judith-collins-calls-for-emergency-housing-law-change-in-first-speech-of-the-year
  
  I also read her letter within the article.
  
  I think she makes a lot of sense, and can’t see where she says the words you quoted.
  
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  January 26, 2021 2:48pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You were making the mistake of taking seriously any post from a naughty troll. Best to just ignore.
    
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    January 26, 2021 3:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Simply paraphrasing what a caller to ‘Shaun Plunkett’ stated.
    As for you Lodds, if you’re afraid of words – you’re the problem 😀
    
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    January 26, 2021 4:07pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      LOL!!!
      
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      January 27, 2021 12:39am
Fletch

Hmmm, new claim that the U.S., under Fauci, commissioned the research that produced the COVID-19 virus?

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/01/25/steve-hilton-finds-stunning-covid-19-evidence-specific-activity-that-dr-fauci-funded-and-it-is-terrifying-1020943/
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January 26, 2021 2:22pm
- Batman
  
  Hahahaha by next week you’ll be saying that Biden and Fauci took a caving trip to China in late 2019
  
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  January 26, 2021 4:35pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIQbjm6jx4k

Putin to get close to Modi-Suga and dump Jinping.

Under the new rule of Biden, it’s a popular opinion that Russia will warm up to China.
Russia can’t leverage China against the USA. Not with Beijing Biden in the Whitehouse.
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January 26, 2021 2:38pm
- Batman
  
  What else do these geniuses have to say?
  
  Crusher to win in NZ by 40 points no doubt…
  
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  January 26, 2021 4:33pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/q7M18fx5LkWE/

The Pathetic Breadline Bernie Cult.

A sad old man who completely overestimated his clout got crushed by a senile neoliberal and a screeching warmonger.
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January 26, 2021 2:38pm
Batman

Hahaha you’ve almost got to admire to baldfaced cheek of this bullshit ?

A Canadian casino mogul and his wife took a private plane to an indigenous community in Yukon, told a mobile clinic they were local workers, got the vaccine, and flew out.

https://t.co/0GnJ18Tnhf

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/25/canada-ex-casino-head-fined-covid-vaccine-rodney-baker
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January 26, 2021 2:41pm
- Nickc2
  
  Good on em! Couldn’t do that here though, we don’t have the stuff.
  
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  January 26, 2021 2:52pm
  - Batman
    
    That sums up the neo-conservative policy of inherent selfishness.
    
    You’re making us look bad, matey.
    
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    January 26, 2021 4:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

ACT asks 10 pertinent questions that our lazy MSM seems reluctant to put to the PM and her Government.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2101/S00072/10-vaccine-questions-the-government-needs-to-answer.htm
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January 26, 2021 2:42pm
- SB2
  
  MW, Jacinda responds ,
  
  Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says approval for the Pfizer vaccine could come as early as Wednesday next week.
  
  Speaking during the first post-Cabinet media briefing of the year, Ardern said swift progress was being made on Covid-19 immunisation.
  
  The country could take delivery of the first batch of vaccine as soon as Pfizer could send them, she said.
  As vaccines arrive, immunisation will work through priority groups.
  
  The focus would be to vaccinate border workers and their close contacts first. They will start to receive vaccinations about two to three weeks after the vaccine arrives.
  
  A mass vaccination campaign is likely to begin in the middle of the year.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/435209/watch-jacinda-ardern-speaks-in-first-post-cabinet-briefing-of-2021
  
  What branded magic wand will ACT be using?
  
  Will they put ideological principles in the forefront by user pays per dose? How much per dose would that be ?
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:15pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Your government lied to you SB2. They said NZ would be front of the queue for the vaccine. Even Panama is ahead of us.
    
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    January 26, 2021 6:00pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They sure did lie to us.
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-zealand-front-queue-chris-hipkins-says-nation-well-placed-covid-19-vaccine-roll
      
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      January 26, 2021 7:19pm
    - sooty
      
      Lying bloody shit, only two days ago he said they had only 150,000.
      Who thinks that labour have got no bloody clue at all and have been embarassed into action by Australia going full bore! Cindy’s been caught out by been on holiday when she should be at work! Just imagine where we would be wth the rev david clark was still in charge. You have to give it to chippie he has been at work most days it looks
      
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      January 26, 2021 7:52pm
Maggie Pie

‘Motohomer’ tells Shaun Plunkett he visited Qtown for a weekend earlier this month and spent $300. Said he wasn’t made to feel all that welcome…..threatens to take business elsewhere.
LOL!!

My partner delivered a car down there to a client last week – and blew $3k on a 36 hour stay.

Just saying.
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January 26, 2021 3:00pm
- SB2
  
  Is hubby a second hand Great Wall car salesman?
  
  LOL
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:17pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    SB2:
    
    Is hubby a second hand Great Wall car salesman?
    
    I’m sure that Maggy’s “huggy” hasn’t written about “observing” young girls with “small but ample breasts” at the St Lukes cafes!
    
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    January 26, 2021 6:02pm
  - IC5000
    
    There are people employed to drive new vehicles to their owners or they work for car hire firms. Seems a good gig for a student or you like to drive. I imagine it wouldn’t pay very much.
    
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    January 26, 2021 6:08pm
- rangitoto
  
  What happens in Queenstown stays in Queenstown eh?
  
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  January 26, 2021 6:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A Waikato Assoc. Professor resurrects some “Green”
thinking.

https://theconversation.com/curb-population-growth-to-tackle-climate-change-now-thats-a-tough-ask-153382
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January 26, 2021 3:08pm
- alloytoo
  
  China’s single child policy has had massive socialogical consequences.
  
  Furthermore you don’t need massive interventure to curb population growth you merely need wealth creation
  
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  January 26, 2021 4:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The fraud in this past election was massive, the worst ever in recorded history, but it is nothing when compared to what the Democrat (Communist) Party has in store for the future of the USA and the world.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/shocking-democrats-first-bill-2021-lock-fraudulent-elections-forever/?
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January 26, 2021 3:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump quote, “For too long the Establishment has protected themselves” Now the corruption could be set in concrete.
  Remember, you can vote Socialism in, but you have to shoot your way out.
  History never repeats my left tit
  
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  January 26, 2021 3:23pm
- SB2
  
  Absolute rubbish. All the Democrats are trying to make voting as streamlined and as uncomplicated as we here take for granted with no obstacles likevoter suppression a feature of GOP previous campaigns
  
  https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-voting-democracy-voting-rights-coronavirus-pandemic-7fc2dde742c261ea897b127254377baa
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:26pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Naiive – gullible – simple – innocent – Nah they don’t suit.
    How about crazy – nutso – Nah.
    Well, maybe all of the above – but the most suitable is STUPIDBOY – Yeah , that’s it.
    
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    January 26, 2021 7:43pm
Maggie Pie

30.5 degrees down by the pool.
Warmest day so far this year.
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January 26, 2021 3:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Only 26C outside.
  Still, the UV is a bit too deadly for me to venture out yet…
  
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  January 26, 2021 3:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you get any of that ‘Walnut Oil’ I told you about?
    
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    January 26, 2021 3:58pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Worked a treat, txs
      https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToE5uk50j1RYV05YSVqRH_ozoZlRdOn75kYg&usqp=CAU
      
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      January 26, 2021 4:08pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        LOL!!
        But why would you want to run the risk of triggering SB2 again?
        
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        January 26, 2021 4:11pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh SHIT!!!
        I hadn’t thought of that.
        
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        January 26, 2021 4:14pm
      - SB2
        
        What do you both use for photoaging?,
        
        https://www.aad.org/public/everyday-care/sun-protection/sun-damaged/wrinkles-sun-damage-can-be-treated
        
        LOL
        
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        January 26, 2021 5:33pm
      - Tall Man
        
        FFS Maggy, you rub it on not drink it by the bucket ……
        
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        January 26, 2021 7:09pm
- alloytoo
  
  When I was a teen my mum wouldn’t swim unless the pool water was 30’+
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:03pm
- SB2
  
  MP, you must mean this kind of pool, surely?
  
  https://www.bestdeals.co.nz/online-160cm-x-30cm-size-xl-foldable-pool-for-pet-bath-tub-and-kids-pool-3-sizes-available-26531.html?aid=1001&gclid=CjwKCAiA9bmABhBbEiwASb35V8piJCaceGwwYy5NOLTBV2tn6r52gcshhoEOWhy1YAx2xPh-QWr_ORoCG5gQAvD_BwE
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:29pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Not everyone has a pool like you stupidboy. I’m sure Maggie has a very good Remmers style swimming pool.
    
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    January 26, 2021 7:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our PM thinks Med Safe might approve the Pfizer Vaccine next week…

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pfizer-vaccine-could-be-approved-next-week

I do hope Pfizer has got its supply problems sorted by the time NZ gets into the queue.
https://www.dw.com/en/pfizer-biontech-cut-back-vaccine-deliveries-to-eu-at-short-notice/a-56237275
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January 26, 2021 3:46pm
- SB2
  
  MW , how will ACT do better than a midyear mass immunization roll out?
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:35pm
  - niggly
    
    SB2, how will a random whataboutism do better than a statement of facts?
    
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    January 26, 2021 8:44pm
mandk

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300213886/live-pm-releases-covid19-vaccine-plan-details

“Mass vaccination will likely begin mid-year”

I’m so glad Jacinda, Grant and Chris made sure we are at the front of the queue.

With a bit of luck, the majority of the population will have been offered access to the vaccine some time in 2022.
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January 26, 2021 4:05pm
- curry4me
  
  mandk: She went hard, and early / sarc.
  
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  January 26, 2021 6:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I wish she just “went”…….
    
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    January 26, 2021 7:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZFirst’s Cash Cow off to the High Court

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300214630/new-zealand-first-foundation-case-duo-charges-moved-to-high-court
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January 26, 2021 4:11pm
- curry4me
  
  Maggy Wassilieff: Couldn’t happen to a nicer outfit; members, or not.
  
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  January 26, 2021 6:55pm
Grant

A cut and paste from the NZ Herald site:
“Ardern said she expressed “disappointment” to Australian PM Scott Morrison about his decision to put the breaks on the trans-Tasman bubble.”
Really?
G
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January 26, 2021 4:20pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Making a habit of this disappointment thing?
  Mannis Is. refugees
  Deportations
  etc etc
  The very thought that Scott would do what he thought was right for Australians, anybody’d think it was his job or something?
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A ‘cat?” herald is now ALL pussies?
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:23pm
- SB2
  
  Grant , link or all made up.? The latest from OZ on the issue,
  
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-25/australia-suspends-covid-travel-bubble-new-zealand-for-72-hours/13089990?nw=0
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:39pm
  - Grant
    
    Idiot…SB
    My comment was about the word “breaks” which surely should have been “brakes”.
    Not surprised you didn’t get it though.
    G
    
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    January 26, 2021 6:31pm
    - artemisia
      
      I got it quiet easily.
      
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      January 26, 2021 7:17pm
- Tall Man
  
  From stuffed …..
  
  ““There’s no case to answer,” he claimes.” ??????
  
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  January 26, 2021 7:05pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/psaki-not-fair-travel-ban-xenophobic
White House briefing style learned from Shaggy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_x6QmuJdms
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January 26, 2021 5:00pm
- SB2
  
  “The president has been clear that he felt the Muslim ban was xenophobic,” Psaki said. “He overturned the Muslim ban. He also, though, has supported steps, travel restrictions in order to keep the American people safe, to ensure that we are getting the pandemic under control. That’s been part of his policy, but he was critical of the former president for having a policy that was not more comprehensive than travel restrictions.”
  
  Happy ?
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:43pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Missed the point AGAIN.
    The question was about Biden calling the travel ban from CHINA xenophobic.
    Nothing to do with muslims.
    Which he did, it’s all over the internet, his tweets etc.
    BTW if it was a Muslim ban, why weren’t the rest of the Muslim countries banned?
    Only the ones that REFUSED to vet their departees for terrorists.
    
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    January 26, 2021 7:58pm
Don Beckett

One of the early ‘maorified’ names for New Zealand was Niu Tireni.
How appropriate, with our current Government that it sounds like “New Tyranny” . 😉
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January 26, 2021 5:13pm
- Mike
  
  Have you thought of checking the definition of ‘tyranny’?
  
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  January 26, 2021 5:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    yep
    
    “noun, plural tyr·an·nies.
    arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.”
    
    Sounds fairly correct to me.
    
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    January 26, 2021 7:02pm
septic skeptic

Will Cindy do a better job with the “year of the vaccine” than she did with her “year of delivery”?
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January 26, 2021 6:30pm
Nostradamus

What a f***king joke…

‘Beyond parody’: North Korea lashes Australia on human rights

The hermitic and totalitarian dictatorship of North Korea – where millions are now reportedly on the brink of starvation – says it is very worried about what is happening in Australia.

During a United Nations assembly event this week, the increasingly isolated nation’s representative, Kim Song, said North Korea had “continued concerns over the human rights violations in Australia”. He then went on to give a list of his areas of concern.

“We reference the international human rights law and recommend that Australia follows it,” he said.

“First, Australia must end deep-rooted racism and treatment to ethnic minorities.

“Secondly, to cease inhumane treatment in detention centres.

“Third, to ensure the right for all to participate in elections.”
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January 26, 2021 7:25pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Own goal in spades – if it wasn’t NK, I would have laughed.
  
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  January 26, 2021 7:50pm
Maggie Pie

Joe Biden’s been wondering who shit in his pants.
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January 26, 2021 7:47pm
- Don Beckett
  
  He probably farted, but didn’t realise that wind doesn’t have lumps in it. 😆
  
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  January 26, 2021 7:51pm
Inandout

Picked up a copy of Chch Press to do the xword and was taken by the wall to wall depression. Covid and Trump’s drive by impeachment (cnn) and bugger all good news. Little wonder they are nt selling.
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January 26, 2021 8:39pm
Fletch

What’s the little pink doofer that hangs off those vaccine syringes?
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