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amospicton

i see government debt is approx $100b. That is $20,000 each which might sound OK until you realise that maybe only 10% of the population are net tax payers. So that’s $200k each – which is even worse when you consider that those same 10% are also responsible for paying for normal govt expenditure before the debt can be repaid. But relax people, Robertson assures us we’re in a strong fiscal position.
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January 30, 2021 8:04am
- cmm
  
  Well HE is in a strong fiscal position, so everything is sweet.
  
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  January 30, 2021 8:45am
  - pdm
    
    cmm. He sure is – would never earn/get $250k plus, plus expenses in the real world.
    
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    January 30, 2021 8:59am
- ISeeRed
  
  Where does the 10% figure come from? I had thought it was more 20-25%, which is bad enough
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:18am
  - amospicton
    
    Just a guess. It’s those earning over about 80k (taking into account WFF) and who aren’t paid by the tax payer in some form. It might even be less than 10%?
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:39am
- Frank the tank
  
  Then add private debt into the equation and we are in a very sick position. Indeed unless the pump and dump Asian immigration ponzi scheme starts up soon then our economy will start its spiral into stagflation.
  
  The cautionary tale of little Aotearoa is about to begin. You are all characters.
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:55am
  - amospicton
    
    Exactly Frank and these clowns have the audacity to crow about the economy’s strength. Pretty easy to get decent GDP numbers when it’s driven by this level of borrowing.
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:40am
    - Master Mariner
      
      The worst thing is there will be absolutely nothing to show for the amount of debt issued.
      
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      January 30, 2021 8:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  State Sector Employees consider themselves ‘net taxpayers, but they are not. This is why the left fail with numbers
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:58am
  - RichardX
    
    Steve Otto(North Shore)
    State Sector Employees consider themselves ‘net taxpayers, but they are not. This is why the left fail with numbers
    JANUARY 30, 2021 9:58AM
    
    Using that logic, the employee of a private company that contracts to the government is also not a net taxpayer.
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:16am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The private company is providing a product, the state sector proves nothing except rules
      
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      January 30, 2021 1:18pm
      - RichardX
        
        Steve Otto(North Shore)
        The private company is providing a product, the state sector proves nothing except rules
        JANUARY 30, 2021 1:18PM
        
        You must have a unique definition of the state sector.
        
        I assume you include services in your “product” otherwise you are admitting that employees of private companies that provide the government with services are not net taxpayers.
        
        State sector employees that provide services, not rules, include but are not limited to;
        Prison guards who provide a service.
        DOC workers who provide a service.
        Customs & Immigration staff who provide a service.
        GCSB spies who provide a service.
        There are plenty of others but 1 example is enough to falsify your statement.
        
        https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/our-work/state-sector-organisations/
        
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        January 30, 2021 2:30pm
      - Colville
        
        Like a Policeman you mean?
        
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        January 30, 2021 4:12pm
      - IC5000
        
        > the state sector proves nothing except rules
        
        Pretty sure nurses and doctors provide more than rules.
        
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        January 30, 2021 6:01pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and he’d be 100% correct.
      State employees receive their extortionate salaries from one govt dept or other, who’s budget is supplied, one way or another, from the IRD.
      Which they pay a proportion back (PAYE) to the IRD.
      ie 100% of their net salary is FROM the real tax payers, who generate growth from which tax is paid.
      Your total lack of understanding, leads me to believe that you may be Grant Robertson, in disguise.
      
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      January 30, 2021 8:15pm
- JackRabbit
  
  NZ is in a very weak financial position. He makes statements that are contrary to the actual position. Like his boss, you have to assume the opposite, and an attempt to blow sunshine up your derriere, while in reality the black clouds are circling into a whirlpool vortex to suck NZ down the toilet.
  
  The current government have zero solutions, since they are actually the problem. They gained power by showering gullible ~~Narnians~~ New Zealanders with ~~Turkish Delight~~ Platitudes and ~~manufactured kind words~~ virtue signalling from Queen ~~Jadis~~ Jacinda. Her and her policies are a black ~~winter~~ cancer that is growing over ~~Narnia~~ New Zealand.
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:26am
  - towaka
    
    And just like the white witch of Narnia our very own Queen Jadis has her army of dwarfs, hobgoblins,and wolves… but who is our Aslan though to break the spell?
    
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    January 30, 2021 1:12pm
  - chukar
    
    Would love to see some accurate figures about how many businesses and their workers are dependent on Government including local influence for their activity and profitability.
    I know that productive private business finds tax but more particularly regulation a huge millstone that has to be carried before getting any profit.
    Real figures please?
    
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    January 30, 2021 4:38pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    You can tell by;
    Robertson thinks it is a good thing that he has $1.9b in the bank.
    Not noticing that, it is borrowed money he hasn’t spent, not earnings from the economy.
    Like borrowing money and putting it in the bank to earn interest….Anyone else not know that is stupid?
    
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    January 30, 2021 8:21pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Horrifying figure, and Robertson says it’s fine. Pffft. When David Seymour proposed a flat tax rate of 17.5% he was widely mocked given that it would ‘cost’ $6.5b in tax revenue. It’s wouldn’t ‘cost’ that of course. The resulting economic stimulation would have set NZ on the road to recovery, rather than a path to south-seas junk status which appears to be the objective of the intellectually bereft socialists at the helm.
  
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  January 30, 2021 6:06pm
Greg Ettridge

Amazing the wiggles can have bring an entourage of 14 extra people that I guess many of their roles could be done by kiwis, but a small ship cleared to do cruises cannot have support staff.
Notice the wiggles are booked for Perth just 9 days after Last concert in. NZ, how mad dog McGown allowed this I am not sure, if there is 1 community case in 28 days you are banned from WA.
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January 30, 2021 8:14am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  This one’s going to be a real hot potato…
  
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  January 30, 2021 8:21am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    I promised myself I would not post anything travel related in here again but the government’s decision yesterday to allow the Wiggles in while telling a cruise ship they could bring in their “essential” crew but that does not include the hospitality staff (who in my opinion are very essential to the enjoyment of the passengers) I have had enough.
    The decision makes no sense at all, we have had a couple of brave companies who decided to do a NZ and Antartic based programme for Kiwi travellers who usually miss out on these due to the speed foreign travellers snap up places. They have been kicked in the teeth as have my industry who have been doing everything they can to stay afloat and still earn a living, something in early 2020 we were allowed to do but alas now we seem to be on the same level as a politician in public trust stakes.
    The arbitrary nature of these decisions from our government make no sense unless you see them as drunk on the power we foolishly gave them in March last year. When the hell did 3 weeks to flatten the curve morph into lets take out 10% of our GDP and when they come up with a safe alternative for New Zealanders to see their own country lets kick those brave Kiwi travellers in the teeth as well.
    You may be feeling safe but I am on zoom calls watching my colleagues break down, lose hope and wonder how they are going to continue to pay their staff as they do not want them to be unemployed. The stress levels with my colleagues is unbelievable and with each carrot offered and then taken away by our government is beginning to make me wonder when we decided communism was a model we wanted to live under because the carrot tactic was a favourite of all of these regimes.
    Heather DPA seems to agree https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/video/heather-du-plessis-allan-no-to-the-cruise-ship-but-yes-to-the-wiggles-really/
    
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    January 30, 2021 9:01am
    - DeepBlue
      
      It makes sense if the goal is ideological.
      
      The government picked its tourism winners last year with the awarded financial support, the rest can hibernate or fail. Then the chosen few will serve the people in a nationalised form with entry prices the workers can afford. There really isn’t any need for international cruise ships under this model.
      
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      January 30, 2021 4:06pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Does anyone know who made the executive decision to let them in?
    
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    January 30, 2021 9:30am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Nope, And under what ruling?
      
      Definately not under “key worker” status which I come under and still cant get in.
      
      You may well throw in all “entertainment” folks as well during “1 year of Neglect”
      
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      January 30, 2021 1:27pm
    - theoldbloke
      
      Remember the guy at the top of the heap. Therefore where the buck stops.
      Is the now tarnished Saint Whats is name DG of Health who is proving day by day, that he is not fit for purpose.
      
      Ooops. Just read that the ex Reporter Far Foy is top of the bad decision que.
      
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      January 30, 2021 2:03pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      Hipkins outed himself as a fan. No doubt an OIA will be lodged.
      
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      January 30, 2021 4:00pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    You would think so – but it would require our feckless media to get off their fists. Hosking, Baz and HDPA can’t be expected to do all the heavy lifting.
    
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    January 30, 2021 9:59am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “This one’s going to be a real hot potato…”
    
    The Wheels on the Bus ~~go Round and Round~~ fall off.
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:11am
- SpencerArnold
  
  And dollars to donuts, [Deleted – Mod] will get a special back-stage meet-and-greet with the Wiggles. And you can bet there will be no media cameras allowed to draw attention to this either (that would be bad PR, sweetie-darling).
  
  [Mod – leave MP’s families out of this]
  
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  January 30, 2021 8:38am
  - GazzaW
    
    You can bet your bottom dollar that the freeby tickets will be in the mail to all the right people.
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:16am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Who in there right mind would take kids to them in the first place, All this Covid and social distancing etc.
      
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      January 30, 2021 1:31pm
  - lilman
    
    DPF,dont agree,Neve has been used for political purposes,her family decided to do this.
    They then cant be expected to escape the once over by interested parties.
    
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    January 30, 2021 12:06pm
- GazzaW
  
  With regard to the refusal by Faafoi for the cruise ship staff it’s interesting to note that the Ministry of Health has already approved their entry into NZ but it’s the Ministry of Immigration that has denied them on the basis that there are Kiwis who are able to do those jobs which is a nonsense as all of those crew members not only multi-task but also have specialist roles. How many Kiwi hairdressers, masseuses, bar staff and waiters are skilled in first aid, maritime firefighting and assisting passengers into lifeboats? Faafoi always struck me as one of the more intelligent Ministers but obviously the unions have him right under their thumb.
  
  There’s a lot of water yet to flow under the bridge over this issue.
  
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  January 30, 2021 8:53am
  - Scooter
    
    I couldn’t believe the interview with Chris Faafoi, Heather couldn’t even get a word in. What an a.. hole. He was so defensive that I got the feeling that he knew it was wrong especially compared with the Wiggles decision along side.
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/kris-faafoi-government-under-fire-for-blocking-cruise-ship-but-allowing-the-wiggles-entry-to-nz/
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:43am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Probably the same amount of Kiwis who can watch Wiggles on TV.
    Interesting enough it should boil down to Semans discharge book as vessel will be foreign flagged and will have to meet there standard.
    Where is it registered?
    Theres your answer and the answer will probably be NO.
    I’ll check.
    
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    January 30, 2021 1:36pm
  - Nickc2
    
    With regard to the ship, I don’t believe it had anything whatsoever to do with health. IMO it had heaps to do with the Council of Trade Unions in NZ insofar as they want their union members to crew the ship. Tell me again the number of dollars the Union Movement donated to the election of this Govt.
    
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    January 30, 2021 1:44pm
- Fletch
  
  For a few years, the Wiggles were the top money-making act in Australia, even beating AD/DC and Kylie. I think they may have slipped in the ratings a bit now.
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:03am
- Sacha
  
  Let’s hope that the wiggles are not ‘late developers’ when it comes to the virus.
  It wouldn’t be a good look for their audiences to become community spreaders, would it?
  But it would be ok for a ship to sink and lose its passengers because half its crew didn’t have disaster training.
  How about putting the wiggles on the ship, and taking their audiences on a little cruise?
  The PM could go too.
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:17am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    A three hour cruise?
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:58am
  - lilman
    
    I can think of the Minister of Finance dressed up for the occasion.
    
    Captain Feathersword will be out and he will be in.
    
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    January 30, 2021 12:09pm
- MCos
  
  The Wiggles don’t need visas, which is the issue with the cruise ship. The only applied after they set sail, from what I understand.
  Apart from anything else a cruise ship wandering round our coast in the middle of an epidemic is not a good look.
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:26am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Actually they had been working with the government since October to get this sorted and the cruise ship is perfectly safe in this environment.
    Remember NZ is in splended isolation and covid free so this should be no problem at alll…unless you don’t believe our government and we are not in fact free of what is going to be come an endemic virus.
    
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    January 31, 2021 6:36am
- pdm
  
  Keeping the Wiggles out could have cost Jacinda a couple of hundred thousand votes.
  
  Therein lies the motivation to let them into the country.
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:40am
  - GazzaW
    
    …… and the 700 Kiwi passengers booked on the cruise are all rich pricks who don’t vote Labour so who cares?
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:20am
    - Master Mariner
      
      No they just fly the “ruling elite” on Junket trips to Antarctica for Global warming brain washing and hand out trips.
      
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      January 30, 2021 1:39pm
- Scooter
  
  Seriously the Wiggles get priority over a NZ guy dying of brain cancer wanting to see his family and a cruise ship with all the economic benefits to locals and travel agents. What the hell were Labour doing while on holiday, whatever it was their brains are fried.
  
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  January 30, 2021 12:18pm
- Scooter
  
  Seriously, the Wiggles get priority over a NZ guy dying of brain cancer wanting to see his family and a cruise ship with all the economic benefits to locals and travel agents. What the hell were Labour doing while on holiday, whatever it was their brains are fried.
  
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  January 30, 2021 12:20pm
curry4me

ASTERISK PRESIDENCY: Episode 2.
How many Executive Orders will *president Biden sign this week?
Did the National Guard troops like their beds in the Trump hotel better than
the ones Nancy Pelosi offered them in a parking garage? Will Dr Fauci want the
peasants to wear three masks next week? Will *president Biden sign an
Executive Order banning the term ‘fake news’? Will CNN ask Beijing Biden
Such hard questions as: “What color is your Corvette”? Will he remember?
Has John Kerry dyed his hair? Stay tuned folks for the next episode of
Asterisk Presidency!
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January 30, 2021 8:15am
- JackRabbit
  
  “How many Executive Orders will *president Biden sign this week?”
  
  Probably as many as last week, unless they have to pause to replace the overworked marionette strings.
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:35am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Joe Biden in my observations looks more like a Dotard as each day goes by.
  It is becoming very apparent you don’t have to pass any Cognitive test to be the leader of the USA.
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:58am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Only the USA?
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:39am
Tauhei Notts

Dinner with friends last night. Our host’s wife, whom I have known for about 20 years, will be holidaying, meeting relatives in her home country in a few weeks.
“Are you worried about Covid?”
“No, I am more worried about the outbreak of a revolution. It’s like early 1917. Over the past four months the political agitation has sky rocketed. Czar Vladimir has become very unpopular”
“Will Navalny change his name to Kerensky?”
“Interesting you mention that. I haven’t visited St Petersburg since it changed its name from Leningrad.”
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January 30, 2021 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  The Media Pardy want us to think that on the basis of a number of demos in a few large cities in Russia that Puts is unpopular …….
  
  ……..personally I don’t trust the Media Pardy narrative and while your guest is entitled to her opinion I’d say if she thinks the Winter Palace is about to be stormed she’d be postponing her holiday .
  
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  January 30, 2021 8:53am
- Mike
  
  Andrei might be along to reassure you that Vlad is much loved and Navalny is the tool of the fiendish western imperialists.
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:35am
cmm

Christchurch “only” spent about $600k to secure SailGP.

Oh look, now it’s also costing us $27M (plus overruns, say $40M) to dolly up Naval Point to provide a nice viewing location.

Then, no doubt, the roads leading there will look a bit scruffy and they’ll be blowing another $50 million cutesifying the Port Hills roads.

Then what?

These events are like stone soup for Lefties. Just tell the people it only costs a small amount, but then suck in more and more….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/124090194/work-to-do-before-christchurch-port-transforms-into-international-sailing-hub
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January 30, 2021 8:28am
- Inandout
  
  Cmm, I was sort of disappointed by Chch CBD and all those gravel pits with Wilson Parking signs. Then that unfinished Events monstrosity which must have sucked hundreds of millions of dollars. Our inner city unit was blasted all night long by ‘boombox’ hoons in their cars; must be something to do with earthquake syndrome. Anyway Queenstown is great by comparison.
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:22am
- Frank the tank
  
  Exhibit A as why councils should focus on picking up out garbage and maintaining footpaths and not get involved in anything else.
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:01am
- JackRabbit
  
  And they have 12 months to make it happen, so you can ~~double~~ triple all those figures, and add in discrete back pocket incentive payments to get contractors to complete on time, and help fund the usual returning back-handers.
  
  So $1M per day it will cost, but costs will be hidden in other budgets, so it does not look like what it really is.
  
  I would rather the money be spent on fixing the roads and infrastructure still needing repairs from the earthquakes.
  
  ” Heaphy said Ngāti Wheke, the Ngāi Tahū hapū based at the harbour front settlement of Rāpaki, would advise on running the event with cultural integrity, and ensure local communities engaged with and benefited from it.
  
  Ngāti Wheke chair Manaia Rehu said they were honoured to have the event on Whakaraupō (Lyttelton Harbour) and to represent Māori culture to a global audience.
  
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  January 30, 2021 11:01am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    “…running the event with cultural integrity”? “represent(ing) Maori culture to a global audience”? What does that even mean, it’s a sailboat race!
    
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    January 30, 2021 12:07pm
  - cmm
    
    Don’t worry. THe mayor will get to swig a glass of bubbly at the opening, so it’s all good value.
    
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    January 30, 2021 6:22pm
I remember when

Worldometer; 28 October 20 to 28 March 21:
The media have been so busy bashing Donald and Boris that little, if any, mention has been made of the European position.
Germany, Austria and Portugal, after good results in the first wave have been hurt in the second.
Italy and countries to their east, again with some that had little impact first time are now ‘hot spots’.
Results for the period:
Czechia 1227 per million, Bulgaria 1197 pm, Hungary 1111 pm, Croatia 1085 pm, Portugal 903 pm, Belgium 853 pm, UK 845 pm Poland 836 pm, Italy 819 pm, Austria 728 pm, **US 630 pm **, Germany 546 pm.
Incidentally, Sweden 589 before 28 Oct and 548 since.
Questions are lockdowns really that successful?
Did Germany, Austria and Portugal suddenly get careless?
UK figures do suggest some impact from the new variant.
Is controlling the curve a rational approach when future variants are considered.
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January 30, 2021 8:30am
- JackRabbit
  
  Worldometer is not a stats site. Its a counter site, and arguably a counter “gun for hire” site. It’s part of the process of disseminating false figures to create fear porn.
  
  And:
  
  “Is controlling the curve a rational approach when future variants are considered.”
  
  Like most other things, it is about controlling the narrative and the appearance of the curve, not the actual curve itself.
  
  Case in Point:
  With “Covid-19”, all cluster deaths in care facilities, were all “Covid-19” deaths, despite decades of flu cluster deaths in care facilities from the flu, including those that were already vaccinated against the flu. If you called Covid-19 the 2019 flu in NZ, we had 25 deaths, but would expect 550 deaths from the flu, including cluster deaths.
  
  With the “Covid-19 Vaccines”, all cluster deaths immediately after Vaccination are referred to as “normal and to be expected, because cluster deaths have been going on for decades.”
  
  “Nothing is but what is not.” – MacBeth.
  “…things are not what they seem. What we see is not real..”
  
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  January 30, 2021 1:50pm
Happychappy

The Review of the Official Information Act that was promised by Andrew Little has been kicked down the road again by this caring, honest and most transparent Government.
How our QIA is stripped out frustrating the Public and Journalists trying to get the truth and to the heart of the main issues in New Zealand. While this has been a problem for all Governments it needs to be fixed and our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern promise the would be the most honest, transparent Government that NZ has ever had but keeps kicking the problem down the road instead of fixing it with the review that Andrew Little promised.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/123322068/three-stuff-journalists-three-years-of-knockbacks-then-the-herald-asked-the-anatomy-of-an-oia-fail?rm=a
When is NZ going to wake up to our Celebrity Prime Minister and her lies as and promises on Housing ,Transport, Rail are all failures under her watch which is a joke just like many of other promises she has made.
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January 30, 2021 8:34am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Jacinda remains immensely popular with Pakeha females – they have successfully absorbed the marketed symbols of kindness combined with strong leadership and sincere femininity.
  
  These people firmly believe she is a political genius and that – gosh! she’s just so clever… (especially when it comes to keeping the greens at bay).
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:50am
  - Unity
    
    “Jacinda remains immensely popular with Pakeha females”. Well it doesn’t say much for Pakeha females then does it. They need to wake up – quickly.
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:40am
    - JackRabbit
      
      “They need to wake up – quickly.”
      
      Because the English definition of “woke” is for someone to wake up, you can forgive the Pakeha females for identifying with woke. With the 2020 election results, it would appear that many Pakeha females were pleased with being called ‘woke’, without knowing what it meant.
      
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      January 30, 2021 1:58pm
    - IC5000
      
      Just keep up with winning policies like tax cuts and more roads. I’m sure that will win them over.
      
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      January 30, 2021 5:40pm
  - Sacha
    
    Really Suze?
    For 3 years I kept my silence with most of my friends and acquaintances because of her popularity. I got some pretty bitchy replies if I made any comments even slightly critical.
    But I tell you what- not one is now singing her praises. They acknowledge that the govt did a fair job in the first few months of the pandemic, but the main criticism seems to be that she hogged the limelight to win the election, and they’re sick of COVID. Managing their lives is more important.
    It seems that the coming economic climate is beginning to worry some, and they’re uneasy about the govt’s plans. Some are battening down the hatches, and others are spending while the going is good.
    I’m picking that some people will be really disillusioned by the end of the year –
    
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    January 30, 2021 7:43pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  The wheels of government turn very slowly
  This OIA was submitted in 2011, it is awaiting classification, will be a decade this year.
  https://fyi.org.nz/request/complaints_or_other_allegations_2#incoming-1664
  there are also 3 long overdues for 2011.
  I have one to the PM, quite simple question, how many schools she had visited in six months.
  It is awaiting classification, date submitted was
  Sep 5 2019.
  Out of 162 requests, Jacinda has a quarter of these awaiting classification back to 2017.
  Winston has 16 awaiting classification, and 5 long overdue. Should have plenty of time on his hands to tidy these up.
  Maybe it is time to look at the OIA system, or lack of system.
  
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  January 30, 2021 11:59am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes, And the Ombudsman appears to be of very little use as well.
    
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    January 30, 2021 1:49pm
Chuck Bird

This is not a joke but a further demonstration of this government’s handling of MIQ. After what happened in Victoria this should have been foreseeable and staff and returnees told this would result in criminal charges with name suppression strongly opposed. If it happens again Hipkins should be sacked.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Love-struck MIQ staffer snuck notes into returnee’s groceries, wrote phone number on face-mask

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-love-struck-miq-staffer-snuck-notes-into-returnees-groceries-wrote-phone-number-on-face-mask/5I5KTLBC5VXBCUXPOHS5ESVHAI/
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January 30, 2021 8:37am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  What would be the criminal charge, or are you suggesting a new crime be created?
  
  It is a breach of the terms of the employment contract and for that they got sacked.
  
  Anything more would be excessive.
  
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  January 30, 2021 8:41am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Wayne, I do not care which. During the lockdown, people were charged with exercising too far from their homes.
    
    There were a number of cases of this sort of thing happening in Victoria and 800 people died.
    
    It amazes me how a former National Minister can post such ll considered comments.
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:28am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Chuck
      Have any of the current National caucus suggested prosecuting him?
      
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      January 30, 2021 12:52pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        No, but none have suggested it would be excessive. National needs to take a much more aggressive stance and call out the government’s incompetence and inconsistancies.
        
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        January 30, 2021 1:14pm
    - Nickc2
      
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      January 30, 2021 2:01pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Chuck,
      
      Of course, as you would be aware, you are the hard right end on the law and order issues.
      
      I doubt that many New Zealanders would share you view on prosecuting him (as opposed to sacking him).
      
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      January 30, 2021 2:15pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        I’m female. And I absolutely support this worker and the returnee being prosecuted.
        
        Isolation and quarantine means just that.
        
        It doesn’t mean having a shag just because they felt like it and the opportunity presented itself.
        
        These two people were giving the rest of the popn the one fingered salute. I didn’t sit home in lockdown for nine weeks just so a couple of arseholes could “mingle” and then one of them knock off work and take that risk back into the community endangering it.
        
        Fuck that. It’s about time the NZ Govt showed some balls, like the Australians do.
        
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        January 30, 2021 6:13pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Wayne, by the downticks it would appear most here are hard on law and order.
        
        I believe Judith and Simon and the majority of National MPs are as well.
        
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        January 30, 2021 7:42pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        If thats the attitude, Then I suggest open all the borders and take our chances.
        And if not then why not?
        
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        January 30, 2021 8:24pm
  - doggone7
    
    Would be excessive? Not for some in the environment we live in.
    
    That environment? One where Labour is the Government and there could be points to be made and one where those who are perfect, never do anything wrong, stupid or human are sitting at keyboards with sanctimony and bitterness ready to flow.
    
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    January 30, 2021 5:21pm
- Fletch
  
  Sounds like it could be a new reality show – ‘Love In the Time of Covid’, or ‘Forbidden Quarantine Love’.
  
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  January 30, 2021 8:43am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Forbidden Pleasures.
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  This was a deflection story. Although true, it was a story aimed to distract. Yesterday, instead of pressing Chippy & St Ash on where and what the status of the 40 odd who had left the Pullman was. St Ash was able to give evasive answers while, the press went gang busters questioning Chippie about the stupidity of a returnee and a MIQ staffer. Diversion achieved.
  
  Yesterday’s press conference was a perfect example of the govt leaking a story to the media, the media getting a dumb story to pursue, and the govt shaping a narrative to protect detailed scrutiny of the real story, what is the true situation of Covid in the community!
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:58am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Ive been amazed at the number of infections in other countries getting picked up at there borders from NZ returning positive for Covid.
    Why is this?
    either False Test, or Covid has been in community during this time.
    Really not sure but little in media about this.
    
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    January 30, 2021 1:53pm
cmm

The Muslim Association of Canterbury is having some internal squabbles.

Most came to NZ to get away from corruption and draconian leadership and now the same seems to be emerging for them here.

I wonder whether any of these people will be reevaluating their position.

“At the meeting, president Mohamed Jama refused to allow questions to be asked, private security staff were present, and one member was warned they would be trespassed if they did not stop asking questions, they said.” My way or the highway and I’ve got exclusive control of the cookie jar.

” Jama told Stuff … the new rules giving him power to issue $2000 payments without authorisation was “in case of emergencies” like broken windows.”

So this has just become a personal slush fund to hand out payments to people he likes with no oversight.

What other charitable trusts get away with this sort of behaviour?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/124066414/red-flags-raised-about-muslim-association-of-canterbury-rule-changes
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January 30, 2021 8:41am
- giltee
  
  It’s interesting that islamists fight amongst themselves when they reach 100% of the population. The link describes what happens as islam reaches different percentages in the population and we’re starting to see it in Europe now.
  http://acna-aus.com/islam-explained-in-laymans-terms-adapted-from-dr-peter-hammonds-book-slavery-terrorism-and-islam-the-historical-roots-and-contemporary-threat/
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:11am
  - cmm
    
    I don’t think they need to get to 100% or even close to go head to head.
    
    It’s just Catholics vs Protestants on a Jihadi scale. It makes the Irish Troubles look like speed dating.
    
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    January 30, 2021 6:25pm
Fletch

Read the leaflet for the Pfizer vaccine. If you’re going to have the Pfizer jab it is best not to be pregnant or breastfeeding and they don’t know what effect it will have on fertility….

A safety instructions document published by the UK government states ‘For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination’

Government produced safety instructions for a new coronavirus vaccine indicate that it should not be used by pregnant or breast-feeding mothers and children. In addition, they state that it is unknown what effect the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine will have on fertility.

[…]

Earlier this week, two leading doctors wrote to the European Medicine Agency, which is responsible for the safety of vaccines, in an attempt to stop human trials of all Covid-19 vaccines, especially the Pfizer/BioNtech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 described above. Dr. Michael Yeadon, a former head of Pfizer’s respiratory research, and Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, a health policy advisor, think that human testing is still unethical.

Among other concerns, Yeadon and Wodart warn that some of the vaccines may prevent the safe development of placentas in pregnant women, resulting in “vaccinated women essentially becoming infertile.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-not-safe-for-pregnant-or-breastfeeding-mums-potential-danger-for-fertility

Sounds like it could be a plot for a movie similar to ‘Children of Men’ (2006)
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January 30, 2021 8:48am
- Pharmachick
  
  The vaccines are contra-indicated in pregnancy.
  
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  January 30, 2021 12:18pm
  - cmm
    
    … and under 16 … and over 65 … and …
    
    So what % do you need to get to to herd immunity again?
    
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    January 30, 2021 3:17pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      @CMM
      
      Under 16, yes.
      
      Over 65 – depends on the trial… Pfizer inclusion criteria was up to 80 yrs, and no safety “signals” (analgous to if not exact same as “safety concerns”) in the 65-85 group.
      
      Also depends on the meaning of “trial” since the UK is mass vaccinating with all three vaccines (Moderna, Pfizer, Astra) in up to 100+ year olds. So far, we haven’t seen/heard of any major adverse events (AE) or serious adverse events (SAE). At the rate UK has been vaccinating, it there was a widespread* problem, would’ve heard by now.
      
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      *rare but systematic events notwithstanding
      
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      January 30, 2021 4:26pm
      - cmm
        
        While the studies are in conflict one would expect they apply cation and leave the over 65s out or maybe set a slightly lower threshold – say 70 to 75. Pity because those are the most vulnerable.
        
        Not much point rolling out a vaccination programme if it doesn’t protect the most vulnerable and if it is not going to achieve herd immunity.
        
        It’s going to be a huge issue in places like Africa. Median age is less than 20, so approx 40% of the population is below 16. And of course pregnancy rates are huge (average 5 kids per woman), so about 20% of fertile women are pregnant, then 10% of the population are too old or have other issues.
        60% can’t be vaccinated.
        
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        January 30, 2021 6:44pm
Paulus

What a unique situation we have in New Zealand presently !
There is virtually no senior Ministerial location which is not in very deep strife.
And yet Ardern doddles on when she is not busy elsewhere with bubba and mate.
Jacinda – you have the electorate numbers FFS get on with what you’re paid $500,000 plus a year and take some responsibility.
Some Ministers and their advisors need to be recycled and fast and stop pontification untruths.
The shit is hitting the fan in all directions and will only get worse unless you sort it out without your usual pious platitudes.
Am not sure that is possible.
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January 30, 2021 8:48am
- doublehappy
  
  A proper MSM is what we need, journalists who do research and report the truth.
  
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  January 30, 2021 2:08pm
softail 1450

cmm ,Sounds like a mirror image of Arderns three billion dollar rural fund administered by the honest injun Shane (where’s he gone) Jones.
Will we ever know what happened to all that cash given out by the self flagellating ex MP ?
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January 30, 2021 8:52am
- doublehappy
  
  I can answer that; no we never will. Just another example of a government that doesn’t have the skills to run a basic business, not alone a country.
  
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  January 30, 2021 2:12pm
Tomtoddy

I live opposite a tinny house. A few weeks ago Police did an early morning raid and various boxes of gear were removed. No idea whether there were arrests. The owners drive two very new large Mercs.

Over 90% of the “visitors” are young Maori 15 – 30 years old. Many are patched and well tatted.

If Maori leaders want to “Maori” solution to their glaring underperformance why not start right there and address that issue. Not sure how colonialism is responsible for this but some academic out there will have an explanation.
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January 30, 2021 8:58am
- pdm
  
  tt – easy answer.
  
  [Deleted by Mod. Go and be this kind of racist elsewhere, or not at all]
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:04am
- tf78
  
  Tom, if it weren’t for colonization the mercs wouldn’t be available – that’s the problem right there.
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:24am
- Mike
  
  Well, there were no tinny houses here in pre-colonial times.
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:38am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Voting yes would have helped, but obviously, you thought it was all under control and supported the gangs.
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:14am
  - kevn
    
    @brain… Weak expensive legal stuff v/s cheaper strong illegal. Just create dual markets. As per the US experience.
    
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    January 30, 2021 10:59am
  - lilman
    
    Brian a coward never takes on the fight.
    Gangs would be outlawed and any crime committed with a firearm,legal or illegal , would carry a manditory 15 years sentence without parole to be served after any other custodial sentences are completed
    
    No to legal M.J. ,yes to having the balls to take these thugs on.
    
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    January 30, 2021 12:16pm
  - cmm
    
    Ummmm how would voting yes have helped?
    
    The legal price would have been so high that there would have been huge biz-ops for the gangs.
    
    Voting yes would have increased demand (because people would no longer worry about possession) and made it harder to stamp out low-level trading (because you’d no longer be able to bust the small-fry traders).
    
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    January 30, 2021 3:23pm
    - Colville
      
      The Yes vote would have meant that demand from gangs would be less.
      The ability for anyone to grow 4 plants legally would have destroyed demand.
      Kiwis are tight fisted, if it was possible to have free shit weed that is what most people wold smoke, a few like someone I know would put their brains to use and grow hydro skunk legally rather tan illegally like now.
      
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      January 30, 2021 4:16pm
calendar girl

The UK has had a worrying daily death toll from Covid-19, and has now recorded over 100,000 deaths in total from the disease. But today, instead of reporting its usual hundreds of new deaths, the UK has reported no new deaths: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries .

By comparison, other major European countries have recorded / published their deaths for the latest day:
– 510 in France
– 513 in Spain
– 477 in Italy
– 297 in Germany

Let’s hope that the UK has not decided to withhold its actual daily death figures, for whatever reason.
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January 30, 2021 9:02am
- fernglas
  
  The real test of what is currently happening is the number of new infections. Spain is down from 35,000 a few days ago to 8000 on the 26th, the UK doen by 50% since the 6 January peak, and in India they have almost achieved herd immunity and infection rates are plummeting. Here we have almost no infection, very few people who have had it, and a good-sized chunk of the population at risk. Who will be seen in the rear view mirror to have managed it best?
  
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  January 30, 2021 1:20pm
calendar girl

UK deaths from Covid-19 yesterday now recorded as 1245.
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January 30, 2021 9:08am
Ruahine

Just in case anyone missed this gem from Damien O’Connor.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2021/01/29/oconnor-phones-to-mollify-the-aussies-after-trumpeting-the-pay-off-from-mollifying-beijing/
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January 30, 2021 9:10am
Yvette

Mai FM hosts Tegan Yorwarth and Jordan River broke down in tears discussing a racist conversation held by Magic Talk fill-in host John Banks earlier this week in which Māori were called “Stone Age people”.

“[Because] these dinosaurs with their dinosaur as ideas, they’re hard to turn,” River said.
Yorwarth also referenced Banks’ apology, in which he admitted he made “generic negative statements about Māori people and practices that could have been misconstrued as racist” but insisted he was not racist himself.
“That’s the problem there,” Yorwarth said.
“Is that casual racism was so normal for him. He needs to unlearn that,” she continued, adding that Banks should have someone explain to him why what he said was “so harmful and so disrespectful in so many ways”. – Newshub, this morning

“After nine years of this National Government, propped up by the Māori party, there’s not a lot to brag about. Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.
– Kelvin Davis, February 2017, Press Release: New Zealand Labour Party

Which is more dangerous? – John Bank’s blatant radio tailback caller, with a mistaken but obvious attitude, and John’s casual lack of pull-back, or Kelvin’s more subtle (because it stated as “statistics”) reinforcement of a traditional mantra, but for simple cheap political gain? – “There’s no mana for Māori who support a waka that’s shackled to the National Party”
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January 30, 2021 9:21am
Fletch

Starting to slowly work through the details now of states illegally changing election law.

A Virginia Circuit Court judge ruled that the state’s last-minute changes to election law allowing mail-in ballots to arrive late without a postmark were illegal.

https://publicinterestlegal.org/blog/virginia-abandons-policy-to-accept-late-ballots-without-postmarks/

The law is going to have to be looked at by many states, including the four battleground states that illegally changed election law. The State Legislatures are going to have to claim back their authority.
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January 30, 2021 9:28am
- fernglas
  
  Nothing to say the votes were fraudulent, or for whom they were cast.
  
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  January 30, 2021 1:22pm
lastmanstanding

The Chairman of the Central Planning Committee smiled. The Western leaders had acted as predicted. Rather than sacrifice their citizens they had closed down their economies. Of course our peasants know that self sacrifice is the price for living in the Glorious Motherland.

Still it has advanced our plans for world domination by several decades when we will decide which economies survive or fail and which governments survive or fail.

Unlike them we have plenty of time on our side. Their quest for individual freedom will be their downfall.
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January 30, 2021 9:37am
- Frank the tank
  
  You jest, yes however you are likely very close to the truth. China plays the long game.
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:08am
  - JackRabbit
    
    You jest, yes however you are likely very close to the truth. ~~China~~ The nameless faceless oligarchy that has no allegiance to any country plays the long game.
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:19am
    - towaka
      
      Yes Jack, and I am not sure that China is going along with the “faceless oligarchy” hence the non-stop propaganda war now being directed against them?
      
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      January 30, 2021 1:41pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Yes. You are a racist if you believe in Chinese supremacy, but also a racist if you DON’T believe in “white supremacy” as currently framed (i.e. people of European ancestry simply being a numerical majority and the predominant culture in any country).
  
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  January 30, 2021 12:33pm
RW Capitalist

Something to ponder
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/063/719/719/original/272d42b4323a077a.jpg
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January 30, 2021 9:52am
- Nickc2
  
  How apt!
  
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  January 30, 2021 2:25pm
Fletch

The Capitol police want to permanently fence off the Capitol but have got push-back. I wonder if it was their idea or some higher-ups?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/capitol-fence-permanent/2021/01/28/b4c38c3e-61a5-11eb-9061-07abcc1f9229_story.html

Funny how fences and walls are bad until the Democrats decide they want them.
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January 30, 2021 9:52am
- Batman
  
  Hmmmm it’s almost as if they’re two different things and you’re grasping at straws here. How unusual for you ?
  
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  January 30, 2021 11:10am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    That is false. The principle (i.e. physical barriers as an effective security measure) is identical in both instances. But the hypocrisy comes in where barriers are considered “inhumane” when they protect a nation’s integrity from those seeking illegal entry, yet those same barriers are indispensable when they are to erected to protect politicians from the domestic populace who (allegedly) elected them. For a group of people who tell us they were put in power by the weight of votes for Joe “Mr Popular” Biden, they are acting awfully fearfully. They are illegitimate and they know it, hence the draconian protective measures.
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:28am
  - marleybob
    
    Butman butman, you of all people should know of people coming in the back door, build the fence.
    
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    January 30, 2021 5:10pm
- GazzaW
  
  Four more years Fletch. Four more years.
  
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  January 30, 2021 11:52am
Fletch

Not sure if this is supposed to be a joke –

Gov. J.B. Pritzker activated 500 Illinois National Guard troops Thursday, with plans to send them to Washington D.C. “at the request of the Department of Defense, his office announced.

“The U.S. Department of Defense has asked Illinois to assist federal and local agencies in this continued effort, and Major General Neely and I are ready to ensure that the state of Illinois continues its proud legacy of protecting our democracy,” Pritzker said in a statement. “Ultimately, we must root out the dark forces of racism, white supremacy and disinformation that have created this moment, but until we do that, our extraordinary troops will deploy with honor.”

The Department of Homeland Security issued a national terrorism bulletin Wednesday warning of the lingering potential for violence from people motivated by antigovernment sentiment after President Joe Biden’s election, suggesting the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol may embolden extremists and set the stage for additional attacks.

The department did not cite any specific plots, but pointed to “a heightened threat environment across the United States” that it believes “will persist” for weeks after Biden’s Jan. 20 inauguration.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gov-pritzker-activates-500-national-guard-troops-to-dc-for-e2-80-98security-mission/ar-BB1dbiQb

If Trump had done this people would have complained of a police state (which is what this is beginning to look like).
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January 30, 2021 10:07am
- Batman
  
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  It’s not the majority’s fault that people like you can’t accept reality and are trying to bring about a second confederacy.
  
  Just look at the guy arrested yesterday with a list of names, stop the steal ‘info’, and a loaded gun.
  
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  January 30, 2021 11:08am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  I don’t care what they say, because the Biden administration is acting for all the world as though they are illegitimate. Stop listening to the rhetoric and look at the actions, as the two are incommensurate. America is for all intents and purposes an occupied nation now.
  
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  January 30, 2021 11:36am
- Don Beckett
  
  This is a very interesting discussion (12 mins). They’re talking about ‘Trumpism’ being a false label but the content being pretty much on the button. One of the themes is, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable”.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Pb5CJchHk&feature=emb_title
  
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  January 30, 2021 11:40am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Guy at work just told me he’s been banned from Twitter and Facebook. All he did was sometimes post pro-MAGA stuff that questioned the #OrangeManBad media narrative . No doubt he’s a “Trumpist” who is “alt right-adjacent” and quite possibly a closeted “white supremacist” according to the “Twitter/Facebook/Apple/Amazon is a private company who can do anything they like (except minimise their tax bill)!” crowd that post here and elsewhere.
    
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    January 30, 2021 4:09pm
lazza

Proposition … “Culture” Quote:

“Being a criminal or child abuser has never been a cultural activity in any society and doing a mean Haka does not mean you are predisposed to getting off your head on meth. So when you hear someone blame something on a “culture” ask them what it means”.

Response: Quote:

Here’s what I think the notion of “culture” embraces. I note that you deny the distinction and the effect of ones unique “culture”.

Instead of lots of words of sociological explanation to justify an opposite view, that “culture is a thing” and then to look at its effects on our behaviours, lets just take one simple example of the marked differences in how people behave in ways that are clearly different … different according to:

*** their race;

*** language;

***social standing;

***upbringing;

*** environmental/lifestyle influences and

***belief system’s

In one word their culture.

Three times a week I share a hospital setting with a group that is distinctly comprised of pacifica people.

As a result of my interacting with these amazing people, if you are telling me that these people do not have distinctive cultural influences that affect heir behaviour, then I call total bullshit to that.

My ward next door neighbour, a Tongan, is accompanied every day for his treatment by his wife. Every day!

She does this without murmur or dissent. She brings with her a thin sleeping mat and she takes her naps and rests on the floor next to her husband’s bed.!

[ It is very affecting to see this level of devotion and love ].

I cannot help but feel from my observing them that this behaviour is drawn from deeply ingrained expectations and loyalties formed from Island life, family and kinfolk, In a word from their “culture”.

It is hard to imagine as a palangi my/us acting in quite this selfless way. Both parties have an air of “this is how we do it” … unremarkable to them but so different from what I, as a pakeha would ever be capable of, including their easy air of natural expectation.

A single prosaic example I admit … there are dozens of similar cultural differences that could be cited including their music, laughter, innate modesty and politeness, their close intimate quiet and continuous comforting person-to-person intimate dialogue.

BTW, part of the differing “economic” circumstances of pacifica must factor in-take account of the (opportunity) cost of the time and resources taken up with meeting these familial duties ehh?

No palangi family I know would devote this level of effort to these loyalties. Or at least not to this distinctive degree.

Must be their culture then! Agree?
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January 30, 2021 10:09am
- marleybob
  
  What upper crap, so you think a pi family devotion is something palangi can’t associate with, because it’s all about culture. Bullshit. 25 yrs ago, I watched my Dad sleep on the floor next to my Mum who had alziemers, she passed and Dad followed a few month’s later. You call that culture, I would call it love.
  
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  January 30, 2021 5:29pm
Fletch

Biden’s new press secretary makes “white supremacist” hand gesture.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/063/637/656/original/e92eec1ec93719b6.jpeg

See? Two can play at this stupid game stuff.
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January 30, 2021 10:10am
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, she will ‘circle back on that’, a comment she uses with boring regularity. She is a dolt compared with Trump’s WH lady who had notes on everything.
  
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  January 30, 2021 7:04pm
Benedict Yu

The Green Party is a menace.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2101/S00091/waihopai-spy-base-must-close-down-greens.htm

How to complete the alienation of New Zealand from its allies. Without this base New Zealand would be thrown out of Five Eyes and would lose access to all of that shared intelligence. Intelligence which has prevented scores of terrorist attacks.

The idiot Green spokesperson on security and intelligence said it can be closed down because it did not detect the Australian mosque attacker. The Royal Commission found that there was no way he could have been detected except by luck. He was an Australian citizen with no criminal record. Of course he attracted no attention.
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January 30, 2021 10:11am
- JackRabbit
  
  Yes its bad. But said government doesn’t act on the Intelligence anyway. Perhaps the other four eyes will deem NZ a risk given its links to China.
  
  Will NZ pull out of Five Eyes or will it be pushed?
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/28/new-zealands-five-eyes-membership-called-into-question-over-china-links
  
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  January 30, 2021 11:47am
- rererangihirihiri
  
  Royal Commission said he wouldn’t have been detected except by luck. Seriously what is wrong with these people? Why do they even get paid?
  The ex NZ Army chap complained to the Dunedin police twice about what was going on & what he had witnessed at that gun range.
  Whole thing can be blamed & laid at the door of incompetent police.
  
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  January 30, 2021 11:53am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That is incorrect. The Royal Commission concluded that no such report had been made to the New Zealand Police.
    
    https://christchurchattack.royalcommission.nz/the-report/part-6-what-public-sector-agencies-knew-about-the-terrorist/bruce-rifle-club-allegations/
    
    The only failure from the police was in granting the terrorist a firearms licence. A big failure.
    
    But the statement I made was about alleged failure by the intelligence services. The Royal Commission found there was no such failure.
    
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    January 30, 2021 1:36pm
- JackRabbit
  
  He was an Australian citizen ~~with no criminal record~~ on both Australian and NZ watchlists. Of course he attracted no attention.
  
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  January 30, 2021 1:30pm
- cmm
  
  Notice how they didn’t say a peep when they were part of the government and actually had the power to do something?
  
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  January 30, 2021 3:26pm
  - MCos
    
    Apart from the fact the Greens have never been in power, which at the very least requires a seat inside cabinet, they’ve been saying stuff like that forever.
    
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    January 30, 2021 7:56pm
- niggly
  
  Gosh the Greens are so tone deaf and out-of-step with current geo-politics, the likes of Waihopai allow us (and our allies) to check eg the likes of CCP activities in the wider pacific area etc.
  
  Surely the Greens think keeping an eye of an authoritarian regime is a good thing?
  
  Or have the Greens becomes China’s new $$$$ mouthpiece? 😉
  
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  January 30, 2021 4:12pm
Brian McDonald

The streets where I come from always light up for a battler against the odds. So go America Magic.
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January 30, 2021 10:18am
- Mike
  
  I’m not sure a yachting syndicate with a $130 million budget can be described as a ‘battler’.
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:31am
- David George
  
  Make America great again?
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is a good troll LOL
    
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    January 30, 2021 2:06pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Go they shall. Likely with no points on the board, a result that a little unfairly belies the competence they have demonstrated. Obvious their boat is a real handful that makes it hard to sail well. Can see the wheel shaking like mad in onboard shots. Maybe they have more chance in lighter winds today
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:42am
- Don Beckett
  
  Agreed Brian, but they gave quite a hurdle, re-learning the boat and having lost a lot of time on the water.
  I’m pretty neutral, but it would be good for Barker to get one over that smug Aussie prick Spittle.
  
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  January 30, 2021 10:54am
  - Don Beckett
    
    …….HAVE quite a hurdle……….
    
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    January 30, 2021 11:56am
lazza

No comment … just worth repeating.

Quote:

“When is NZ going to wake up to our Celebrity Prime Minister and her lies and promises on Housing ,Transport, Rail. (They) are all failures under her watch which is a joke … just like many of other promises she has made”.

Thumb up 34 Thumb down 1REPLY REPORTJANUARY 30, 2021 8:34AM

Unquote.

Right on & Happy Auckland Anniversary Day.
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January 30, 2021 10:28am
I remember when

One of the items referred recently contained a quote worth constant repetition.
‘You can’t have everybody not talking to each other just talking about each other.’
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January 30, 2021 11:18am
I remember when

Poet Amanda Gorman to Make Super Bowl History:
“To some, it’s an apocalyptic sign.”
To others….
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January 30, 2021 11:25am
Maggie Pie

Only just back from dropping my partner down at Westhaven.

He reckons the fix is in.
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January 30, 2021 11:31am
Tony Stuart

Dr Siouxsie Wiles on Twitter this morning:

Dr Siouxsie Wiles
@SiouxsieW
So the Wiggles can get an emergency spot in MIQ but someone dying of cancer who wants to see their family one last time can’t? That’s clearly not right. Hope this decision is being reconsidered. #COVID19nz
7:46 AM · Jan 30, 2021·

https://twitter.com/SiouxsieW/status/1355225916289339394

For possibly the first time ever, and probably the last time as well, I agree completely with Dr Wiles. The person in question is a New Zealander by the name of Trevor Ponting, who lives in Japan with his wife and children. He has just a few months to live, but MBIE has refused to allocate a place in MIQ for him because his family’s application to come to New Zealand “did not fit under the “serious risk to health” category”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124099130/covid19-kiwi-dying-of-brain-cancer-cant-get-miq-spot-yet-the-wiggles-can

FFS; the bloke is dying, and wants to say a final goodbye to his New Zealand family while he can still remember them. Where is the compassion?

MIBIE has given MIQ spots to sailors, film-makers, cricketers, drag queens and their crew, and now The Wiggles. But Trev doesn’t get a look in. There’s something seriously wrong with our government when they are getting criticism from across the political spectrum, including Dr Wiles, who has defended pretty much every decision the Government has made to date.
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January 30, 2021 11:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  When Siouxsie Wiles sticks to explaining Science to a lay public she’s worth reading.
  
  It’s when she muddles up her politics with Science/health advocacy that she often goes adrift.
  
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  January 30, 2021 12:09pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    On the science she made a couple of bad calls at the start of the pandemic – parroting govt talking points (as always), on how there was little danger to NZ, defending no quarantine, no masks etc, things that were clearly false even then. When ‘experts’ make major fumbles like that it shows they are anything but, particularly when it is borne of political tribalism, we should hang up the phone on her and listen to others who have proven wiser.
    
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    January 30, 2021 2:52pm
- kowtow
  
  She’s very much part of the hysteria party that has led to huge numbers of people being estranged from their families for a myriad of reasons.
  
  Has she spoken out about cricketers , and any number of other exceptions , including the megarich come to sail their boats ?
  
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  January 30, 2021 12:21pm
- Mags
  
  And just like that he now has been ‘found’ a spot at MIQ. Did the heat get a bit much in that kitchen? Appalling decision that has rightly been corrected.
  
  Now the question is what changed to change the decision? Or was it politically expedient? If the correct decision had been made originally the they would not be in this mess now.
  
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  January 30, 2021 9:27pm
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/01/29/keith-patrick-gill-gamestop-bull/
Meet the man Behind the Game Stop Rally.

Keith Patrick Gill is the man behind the YouTube Channel, Roaring Kitty, where he has frequently pitched viewers on investing in GameStop, according to multiple reports. He is also the man responsible for the a string of posts on r/wallstreet bet under the Reddit username DeepF***ingValue, according to reports in the Daily Mail and the New York Times.
Yesterday, Gill posted screenshots indicating he had lost $14 million in yesterday’s sell off, which saw GameStop shares fall by 40 percent, but held onto his long position, which is still up by over thirty million dollars compared with his original $53,0000 investment.
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January 30, 2021 11:49am
curry4me

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/29/kevin-clinesmith-ex-fbi-sentenced-year-probation-f/
Alligator Gets Probation.

A former FBI lawyer who pleaded guilty last year to falsifying a document to justify the surveillance of a former Trump 2016 campaign adviser was sentenced Friday to one year of probation.
Kevin Clinesmith, who admitted altering an email so the government could continue to wiretap campaign adviser Carter Page, received far less than the prison sentence the government had recommended.
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January 30, 2021 11:49am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Favored treatment for supporters of DNC/deep state agendas. The new normal.
  
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  January 30, 2021 2:54pm
curry4me

That was a quick approval, Mods. Thanks very much.
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January 30, 2021 12:06pm
Maggie Pie

The thing I really love about having the abfab KKW as a bestie, is that no matter what adversity she’s facing in her own personal life, she is always such an inspiration to others.
You can either retweet or follow.

https://twitter.com/KimKardashian/status/1355225830901874689
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January 30, 2021 12:17pm
Pharmachick

So the EU approves the Astra vaccine, and prohibits exports. The Americans prohibit exports already… supply-side contracts not worth the paper they’re redacted on. Countries like NZ ad Canada are in deep ****.
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January 30, 2021 12:25pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep. Thats how I see it too.
  
  One of the conditions is “Big Pharma” have written into there contracts not to disclose prices as penalties apply.
  
  Basically they have had ABSOLUTE free reign in negotiating the contracts.
  Who in there right mind would sign a contract stating,
  a) No prices to be leaked.
  b) No penalties if delays
  c) Penalties of any release of contract.
  d) Waiver all legal rights if serious health outcomes .
  e) We promise to deliver ( after money paid) when we feel like.
  I mean seriously it just doesnt get any better for Big Pharma.
  What private business/ company would sign this agreement because that exactly what all countries have done.
  
  Also UK refusing to supply EU with vaccines.
  
  Then throw in the WHO COVAX agreement “smoke and mirrors”.
  
  Its a vaccine grab for sure .
  
  I really can see NZ getting it this year.( This will put tremendous pressure on Government as winter is around the corner). Interesting.
  
  I wonder where those -70 C freezers are stored. Also hope there are not cooled by Banned Greenhouse Gas refridgerants. Honest Question actually.
  
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  January 30, 2021 2:15pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    @MM,
    
    indeed. I may or may not have seen one, even by Big Pharma standards those things are rorts of the highest order.
    
    To answer your other Q, AFAIK: AKL.
    
    I need a new -80 as mine (n = 3) are almost full, and can’t get one for love or money before September. Also FYI you can buy -80s with mechanical compressors and no greenhouse accelerants, they’re far more reliable but cost about 2-3X the price, our institution was subsidizing them through a “go green” initiative, but the subsidy didn’t work… common sense says that if the subsidy still makes them 2X the price, I’d rather buy the cheaper one and pay my graduate student. Besides contribution of my -80 cf. China’s latest coal fired station? (rhetorical)
    
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    January 31, 2021 9:27am
Fletch

Texas AG Paxton issues investigative demands to Discord, Robinhood, Interactive Brokers, TD Ameritrade, Citadel Financial, and others that suspended stock trading and investing.

“Wall Street corporations cannot limit public access to the free market.”

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/063/720/464/original/cbbfce2ce69c9c70.png

I’m not up with the whole GameStop thing, but apparently when it looked like Joe Average had a chance to beat hedge fund managers at their own game, sharemarket apps like Robin Hood et al, prevented people from buying. They are quite happy to develop these apps for people to invest shares…. as long as they don’t make too much.
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January 30, 2021 1:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Strange time of the year for Tertiary staff to be reigning.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-unitec-resignations-maori-left-in-precarious-position/Y6YRHIKVTX6IPEZRLC3VZWBTEU/

Looks like a major power play is going on at Unitec.
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January 30, 2021 1:42pm
- greybeard
  
  “The Unitec Māori staff collective – Te Roopu Mataara ”
  surely this is an indication of the racial divisions in this place ?
  So who cares about the internal fights ?
  
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  January 30, 2021 6:17pm
kevn

@Maggy… Such impact. How will UNITEC cope?
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January 30, 2021 1:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yahoo News fact checked. Here is something for you lefties to pick to bits and get your derangement excited.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/smackdown-james-okeefe-of-project-veritas-successfully-fact-checks-yahoo-news-and-exposes-ilhan-omar-again/?
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January 30, 2021 2:02pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

At least President Trump was able to engender a great deal of respect from North Korea, unlike silly ol ‘Creepy Joe’ obviously has.

https://twitter.com/themodalice/status/1355298685110771716
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January 30, 2021 2:39pm
- Stu2
  
  Given the wall to wall lies he has produced on covid and the election, I don’t have much faith in his reporting of how will he did with North Korea
  
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  January 30, 2021 5:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gisborne Herald running a poll:

Are you OK with the indication that New Zealand’s borders will remain closed until at least the end of this year?

Yes: 92%
No: 8%
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January 30, 2021 4:28pm
- kowtow
  
  Wow , teddy bear fairy dust magic .
  
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  January 30, 2021 5:28pm
- sooty
  
  But the borders are not closed and never have been! How many bloody foreigners have come in, from visa holders, sportspeople, business people, filmstars, entertainment industry, queers and christ knows who. A kiwi with covid wants to come back to visit his mum and told to go away. Yet the bloody wiggles can come with 14 hanger on! How many of them could be left behind for kiwi workers to have a job!
  
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  January 30, 2021 5:40pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The naïve ninety-two. Zero idea about the importance of us not becoming a hermit nation and, I guessing, happy to live on indefinitely with their government handouts.
  
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  January 30, 2021 6:00pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Wait till supermarkets start emptying out.
    Price inflation.
    By then it will be too late.
    
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    January 30, 2021 8:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  God help us, not only do we have the inmates running the asylum, it’s now all around us.
  
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  January 30, 2021 6:11pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum came over to watch the AC semi finals with me on our big telly.
She was saying she well remembers the days of the ‘Won Ton Cup’. Real sailors like Chris Boozaid. When yachts were yachts and men were men. In those days they relied on real seamanship “….not some wet motherf – – ingboard”.
She’s going to stay for dinner and will probably need to leave her car here till tomorrow by the look of it 😀
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January 30, 2021 5:21pm
- sooty
  
  Go on let her stay the night and make sure you cook her breakfast. Then she’ll be fit to drive home!
  
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  January 30, 2021 5:34pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Maggie, it’s ‘One Ton Cup’ :-).
  But yes, she’s right to a large extent, but you can’t halt progress. And I went to school with Chris Bouzaid, and his older brother Tony – they were good guys.
  
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  January 30, 2021 5:40pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Bit sad about the mechanical failure on American Magic, but they did a bloody good job getting it back on the water in such a relatively short time. So Barker couldn’t bore one up Spittle, much the pity. However, you can’t take it away from Spittle – he’s a bloody good sailor and very determined – and he’s got agood crew around him, and a great boat/plane in Luna Rossa.
  
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  January 30, 2021 5:43pm
- cmm
  
  So which of the three NZ boats are going to win?
  
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  January 30, 2021 6:48pm
I remember when

Is the Labour Party running the Trentham Races.
Man stands in middle of track about 100/150 metres from the finish line.
Seriously upset chances of at least a placing for one horse which was subsequently scratched.
Before last race two streakers made a dash for it and couldn’t be caught.
Surprise! Let’s see they couldn’t catch a man standing still in the middle of the track.
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January 30, 2021 5:31pm
[email protected]

Got Covid19 tested this morning – two times!
First swab hit an “obstruction” while halfway down to my belly button. The second one in the left nostril did manage to make it all the way to my left toe and was successful.

Both brought tears to my eyes but the staff were very nice and very professional.
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January 30, 2021 6:35pm
[email protected]

There is a group of landlords that have a website listing bad tenants. Apparently listing tenants that have caused problems is illegal if done without their permission.

I am not a landlord and rented houses for 20 years before being able to buy a house. Never had a problem with any of the landlords we rented from.

I believe it is not unreasonable of them to vet their prospective renters. Banks do this if you try to get a loan. Why can’t landlords vet the people who want to rent their house?

I do agree that people listed as being bad tenants should have the right to voice their side of the story but landlords should not have to be forced to play Russian roulette when tenting out their property.
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January 30, 2021 6:52pm
Chuck Bird

It took pressure from Judith who on TV and others to force Cindy to be kind. She is losing some of her support even from the left. Katie Bradford was on TV and she was not impressed.

MIQ reverses decision on Kiwi man with cancer Trev Ponting stranded in Japan

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/miq-reverses-decision-on-kiwi-man-with-cancer-trev-ponting-stranded-in-japan/4TDYOHZMLUELZBYEB6LFCGU5OY/
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January 30, 2021 7:50pm
Maggie Pie

I wonder if ‘Biscuit’ was at Trentham races today? 😀

https://twitter.com/AndrewBensley/status/1355356292764721154
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