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mikenmildagain

Happy Darwin Day!
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February 12, 2021 8:00am
- NoFax
  
  Never been to the Northern Territory but it does look amazing for sure.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:46am
- Master Mariner
  
  I wouldnt be that happy about it as Darwin Port is owned by Chinese as part of there strategic Belt Road project.
  More happy Chinese day.
  
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  February 12, 2021 4:19pm
  - Jack5
    
    I think the Chinese have a 99-year lease on Darwin Port, Cap’n.
    
    Still, if the Indonesians were to bomb Darwin Port as the Japanese did (with 242 planes on 19 February 1942), China would likely blow to chopstick wood Tanjung Priok, the Indonesians’ prize port.
    
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    February 12, 2021 7:51pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The port of Darwin is currently leased to the Chinese. However, the state of Victoria has signed up to the Chinese Belt and Road programme. AFIK, both state’s actions are currently being challenged by Aust’s Federal Govt.
    
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    February 12, 2021 9:45pm
Happychappy

Why is “Stuff” writing Editorials like this
Menendez March’s visit raises more questions about Privilege if the truth is being told.
Chris Hipkins didn’t want a bar of it.
James Shaw took the ” sniff test “and respectively declined.
Green MP Ricardo Menendez March claims he received no preferential treatment on his return to New Zealand from a trip to Mexico to visit his dying Step Mother and sick Father.
But having applied for a emergency exemption to aid his travels through managed isolation as part of that process, howmany employers would receive a phone call from the Chief Executive of MBIE.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300227659/menendez-marchs-mexico-visit-raises-questions-about-privilege
The entitled seem to think they don’t need rules to follow like ordinary people and only have to click their fingers to obtain there objective.
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February 12, 2021 8:01am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  This makes my blood boil, the number of people who have been told they can’t go overseas to see a dying relative because they will not get a spot in MIQ on their return is quite large so I fail to see how or why an MP gets special treatment unless it is a desire to rub our noses in the fact he can get a spot. I am no longer being charitable to the political class because they are constantly moving the goal posts on us but it never seems to affect them.
  News Flash MP’s you come from us, are one of us, rule by our consent and no matter how much you think you are you are NOT royalty.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:49am
- Loddenthinks
  
  No no, it’s all good because the peripatetic Marxist has repeatedly apologised for his “privilege”.
  
  Evidently, having privilege or being privilege is despicable, but if you say sorry then it’s all good and straight to the head of the queue.
  
  I guess that’s what Chippie and the Princess meant when they said that NZ (Green MPs) is at the front of the queue (to bump every other New Zealander down two spots).
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:18am
- Master Mariner
  
  Like i say and say again.
  Absolutely disgusting.
  How the hell did his boyfriend get a Visitor visa in June.
  Who is looking after “step” mum now.
  
  Thats not an emergency, and if so no longer considered a emergency after his arrival in Mexico (HOME).
  
  My situation ( Again) There are in excess of 100 seafarers stuck onboard worldwide and is considered by IMO International Maritime Organisation as a Humanitarion crisis.
  Remember we are considered as Key workers by Maritime NZ and UN IMO.
  Then this clown waltzes in and out of country willy F##%%n Nilly
  Its beyond belief in fact, And then had the gumption to apply for Emg Visa?
  Well he bloody well got one from MIQ and voucher when all fully booked.
  If thats not special treatment then what the bloody hell is?
  
  Meanwhile professional and moral obligations keeping supply chains running working , Without the support of NZ officials.
  
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  February 12, 2021 1:51pm
  - niggly
    
    Thank you Master Mariner for your professionalism and for keeping NZ supplied. The government needs to recognise you guys and sort out a solution – your situation is clearly extremely mentally challenging (if not downright depressing or worse).
    
    What are the maritime unions doing about this? I would have thought they would have the (Labour) govts ear?
    
    To clarify, is that 100 NZ’ers stuck onboard worldwide (for months and months), not 100 from all countries right (as there must be thousands in that category)?
    
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    February 12, 2021 2:41pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Thanks for reply Niggly,
      NZ Governmemnt is not meeting there obligations in this time of Covid Crisis.
      
      Namely below,
      https://www.imo.org/en/MediaCentre/HotTopics/Pages/Coronavirus.aspx
      https://www.seafarerswelfare.org/seafarer-health-information-programme/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-19-12-step-guide-to-the-imos-recommended-framework-of-protocols-for-ensuring-safe-ship-crew-changes-and-travel
      
      Maritime unions ( MUNZ) wouldnt care less as not paying member. More concerned about turning cruise ships away from NZ due to not having NZ crew on board.
      
      Yes, Sorry about that, We have 100 NZ international seafarers on email list.
      We had a spot on NZB talk back and also on TVNZ Breakfast 9th Feb.
      We really are the only ones keeping supply chains open, Air craft coming to NZ is reducing as per Cathay last anouncement ( Big cargo carrier)
      Air NZ still have Flights direct to China. China flexing muscles on banning NZ seafood.
      Then if you follow my comments on Air NZ and Saudi issue, there is every reason for example , China to Audit and decline Flights there.
      
      Of note, in Myanmar and port call delayed again due to Coup, However China a week before Coup happened sent major delegation to Myanmar.
      Protests outside all Chinese embasies everywhere by Burmese.
      Join the dots.
      Currently recieving excellent safety/security via Dfat Aus, Feet on the ground.
      I would’nt take any advice coming from DIA or Mfat in NZ.
      regardless, keep on working due morale/professional obligations.
      
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      February 12, 2021 4:34pm
      - niggly
        
        Master Mariner thank you for your informative posts, I wonder if you should try contacting TV3’s (Newshub’s) Michael Morrah as he seems to be about the only decent investigative journalist left and who may be interested … a google search suggests his email is:
        
        michaelmorrah “at” mediaworks.co.nz
        
        (substitute the “at” with the “at sign symbol” as per usual etc).
        
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        February 12, 2021 7:23pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Best estimate 500,000 seafarers overdue. Some going on 2 years onboard.
      plenty suicides and like you say mental health issues.
      Last tour I mentioned before crew members wife died leaving no one to look after 3 young kids.
      We however found a solution without going into detail.
      Also a medevac case, which adds to the stress which should of been a normal routine job
      
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      February 12, 2021 4:37pm
Tall Man

And another one’s gone ….

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2021/02/lucasfilm-fires-the-mandalorian-star-gina-carano-over-abhorrent-social-media-posts.html

And another starts the process of his own demise.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/former-air-new-zealand-boss-christopher-luxon-admits-military-contract-process-was-a-mistake.html

What a loser.
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February 12, 2021 8:03am
- rouppe
  
  her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable
  
  I fail to see where she was denigrating Jews
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:19am
  - Batman
    
    Using images of the holocaust to make a very first world political point is totally unacceptable.
    
    I realise that in some MAGA circles, they do consider themselves as persecuted as the Jewish people, which is in itself pathetic and narcissistic.
    
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    February 12, 2021 9:52am
    - Fletch
      
      Unless it is referring to Trump as Hilter, all conservatives as Nazis and police officers as “stormtroopers” (thanks Nancy).
      
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      February 12, 2021 10:59am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        It’s different when the left do it.
        
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        February 12, 2021 11:19am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Has Prince Harry still got a gig with Disney after his racist military video footage came out. out.https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan/12/prince-harry-racism
        
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        February 12, 2021 12:10pm
  - Fletch
    
    She wasn’t. She made a perfectly logical comparison.
    
    Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors… even by children,” wrote Gina Carano in the now-deleted post. “Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?”
    
    Nothing wrong with that. In fact, it is what liberals are doing right now.
    As someone pointed out –
    
    Gina: “stop acting like Nazis”
    The left: “you said Nazi! Cancel!”
    
    Meanwhile the left can compare Trump to Hitler and paint all conservatives as Nazis as it’s perfectly fine. I see that #CancelDisneyPlus is now trending on Twitter. Is this what 2021 is going to be like? You have a mind of your own and voice your disagreement with liberal groupthink and your employer is hounded by the Twitter SJWs until you get fired? You’re not allowed to have an opinion that is different from their now. Or else you can’t be in the club.
    
    Paul Joseph Watson has a video on the whole thing.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvHgMYsjk9M
    
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    February 12, 2021 10:58am
- Saks
  
  Yep. If Luxon is the great hope for national they are done for.
  
  His weak injection on this subject makes him look like Muller.
  
  A strong leader like Key would have said – yes we did it, you guys were quite happy with the profit made from the deal at the time and nowhere in our operating policy does it say to withhold service from a paying customer because some ideological A-hole says so after the fact.
  
  Can someone please have a spine just for once?
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:33am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Your memory of Key differs from mine.
    
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    February 12, 2021 10:03am
  - MCos
    
    Except that nobody of consequence knew about the deal including Luxon, which he now admits was a flaw in the system he headed.
    Even now the current CEO doesn’t know who all their various offshore potentially problematic clients.
    
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    February 12, 2021 10:24am
    - Paulus
      
      I heard from a former AirNZ person that the system was there before Luxon took over.
      Based on a dollar system which was $5million and over advise only.
      
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      February 12, 2021 11:10am
- rockape
  
  The losers are those that think it matters! If the cap fits wear it.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:48am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Should National MP for Botany, and ex CEO of Air NZ, Christopher Luxon, consider retaining Golriz Ghahraman as part of his defense team?
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February 12, 2021 8:06am
- Tall Man
  
  Nah, he’s an idiot not a mass murderer…….
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:10am
- Tony Stuart
  
  RANDOM IMPERTINENT ANSWER
  
  Not on your bloody life! She will be far better used making lawyer-type excuses for RMM and Jan “We can’t manage without him” Logie!
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well why not?
  I see the current CEO of Air NZ has Andrew Kirton, ex-General Secretary of the NZ Labour Party, ex-Air NZ staffer, in his retinue.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:12am
  - Simon
    
    Labour and National are the same Blairite globalist neoliberal parties. Clown, actor or entertainer. That’s the 3 options that characterise the leadership of both parties.
    
    Luxon should just get someone from Labo to help out.
    
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    February 12, 2021 8:29am
    - OTGO
      
      Politicians have an overwhelming desire to appeal and govern to “the middle”. That is why Labour and National are so close in their political instincts. Problem is that “the middle” is not where you and I are from.
      
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      February 12, 2021 11:02am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Not really – the political ‘middle’ has gone leftward, whereas the proto-middle are still where we are.
        
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        February 12, 2021 12:27pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  He needs something, the current excuse that it was “only” 3 million dollars of work and therefore not brought to CEO’s attention sinks like a stone. The nature of the work demanded attention from the top, so if he wasn’t involved is little better than if he was.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:47am
  - rouppe
    
    In the area of turbine maintenance, 3 million is bugger all. That will be in the scope of the maintenance team gm, easily
    
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    February 12, 2021 8:52am
    - Okahu
      
      [ Mod : dupe ]
      
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      February 12, 2021 9:33pm
  - JerJer
    
    Obviously you understand nothing about how a corporate of that scale is run.
    
    AirNZ revenue, at the time was around 5.5 billion. There are layers of managment, each with generally different limits of spending and contracting abilities that do not need to be notified to a higher level.
    
    In all likelihood the CEO at the time, Chris Luxon would never have been informed of a piddly contract running over 3 years (signed in 2019 around the time left), that delivered to them perhaps 1 million dollars per year.
    
    I work with people that have 10s of millions of dollars of budget to spend and contract, and they have no CEO oversight for these sums.
    
    If you are thinking that some lower level manager is going to rush to Chris Luxon to get a 1 million per year maintenance contract looked over you are dreaming, and then of course it was from a third party. So, are you going to investigate every third party to see who their customers are and who owns the equipment that they might send you.
    
    Probably a good way to waste a CEOs time though.
    
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    February 12, 2021 9:29am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      @BMcD:
      
      “Obviously you understand nothing ~~about how a corporate of that scale is run~~.”
      
      Fixed it for ya.
      
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      February 12, 2021 11:21am
      - chukar
        
        Correct me if I am wrong but I suspect any multinational would have a policy in place fot those managers further down the tree to follow.
        If not why not?
        No CEO knowledge of this event does not wash
        
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        February 12, 2021 6:41pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      No I dont think so.
      
      1. NZ Bill of rights
      2. Ethical investing
      3. Code of conduct
      
      NZ Government is Majority shareholder here. Is Air NZ is in breach of any above “there” may be serious unintended consequences far more than if not Government owned.
      
      The CEO is “custodian” of Code of conduct,
      Which includes all Joint ventures and their Business dealings.
      
      I find it inexcusable he does not know.?
      Believe me when I say this will not be lost on others.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Bill_of_Rights_Act_1990#:~:text=As%20part%20of%20the%20right,treatment%20or%20punishment%20(Section%209)
      
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      February 12, 2021 6:55pm
  - Sacha
    
    Seems to me that the Government wan’t paying attention to what AirNZ was doing. Everyone knows you can’t trust the help these days.
    As shareholder, a vigilant Government would have been on top of this.
    No excuses.
    
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    February 12, 2021 9:34am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That’s just silly.
      
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      February 12, 2021 11:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And the Government that wasn’t paying attention in 2019 was the one to which Golriz Gharhaman’s party gave confidence & support.
      
      Looks like she was just as much asleep at the wheel as her Coalition buddies.
      
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      February 12, 2021 2:04pm
      - Okahu
        
        Cool rouppe. You seem to be all over business practice. So since we have you to help us out… if the North Korean army were to ask for some assistance from Rocket Lab for a mere $3m that would be all good, nothing to see here, leave it to middle management?
        
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        February 12, 2021 9:37pm
- cmm
  
  Based on her previous form protecting genocidal bastards and saying she was committed to bringing them to justice. Luxton should wait until she makes a statement saying she is committed to bringing ex CEOs to justice.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:48am
- niggly
  
  I actually heard Susie Ferguson interview Ms Ghahraman on Morning Report and after some (what I thought were) some soft/leading questions initially (and to Ferguson’s credit she started to ramp them up) it became clear that Ghahraman is not actually a good speaker particularly on this issue and she came across as somewhat specious and unsure.
  
  Ferguson started to pull Ghahraman up after the third time Ghahraman said (Air NZ’s actions) were “breaking the law”. What law was being broken, Ferguson finally inquired? Ghahraman muttered vaguely about when countries commit war crimes (although I haven’t heard of SA being accused of warcrimes by the UN, but I am aware of MSM reporting for the last couple of years and the likes of NGO’s saying war crimes are being committed so I’ll give Ghahraman that one).
  
  The other interesting thing was Ghahraman on a couple of occasions kept mentioning the “contrast” of Chris Luxon’s responses compared to Greg Foran’s responses yesterday in Parliament. To be honest Ghahraman wasn’t making any sense or clarifying what the so called “contrast” was about (this is what I mean earlier by saying Ghahraman isn’t actually a good speaker when under (interview) pressure.
  
  I came away thinking perhaps Ghahraman means in contrast to Foran’s lack of being seen as transparent (and evading responsibility by blaming “juniors”) that perhaps she meant Chris Luxon actually gave good answers?
  
  In fact when I heard Chris Luxon being interviewed prior, I thought he handled the interview very well – no stumbling, no indecisiveness, just on message and on point. Well done that man!
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018783264/golriz-ghahraman-wants-select-committee-inquiry-into-air-nz-after-saudi-deal
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018783262/luxon-admits-mistakes-not-ensuring-he-was-told-about-air-nz-military-contracts
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:23am
  - Nickc2
    
    It all comes down to nobody in the Labour Govt. or the Greens ever having a proper job. If any of them had been in receipt of any real employment especially corporate, they would have taken Golly G aside and explained how a multi-faceted corporate works.
    This is kids playing in a sand-pit stuff. Grow up FFS.
    
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    February 12, 2021 11:00am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand the contract was through a German company !
    
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    February 12, 2021 11:13am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Interesting if true. siemans?
      
      If so then you have to ask yourself why?
      
      Germany probably world leading in turbines/ re balancing and manufacturing.
      If true the ask yourself why Air NZ and not Lufthansa etc, ?
      More questions?
      
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      February 12, 2021 3:33pm
- edhunter
  
  What really is the problem here? A quick but by no means extensive search shows embargoes on trade with Yemen but not Saudi Arabia who at the time were members of the UN Human Rights Council.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:31am
- NoFax
  
  Maybe I missed something but was the contract a crime? Or is it just sensibilities?
  
  No one is giving up oil I assume.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:48am
- Master Mariner
  
  May as well, Maggie. I only heard small sound bites at sea here. Because from a legal back ground she was certainly asking the wrong questions.
  The real question,
  How complicit is the NZ government in allowing this to happen.
  All companies must have Code of Conduct.
  https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/corporate-governance-policies
  How deep is ANZ in breach ?
  Example.
  A fund may invest in AirNZ ” providing” they dont deal in munnitions or and armamnents.
  There is Zero defense for Board of Directors and CEO of not knowing.
  That in itself will be in breach of code of conduct in next “external” Audit.
  If they fail Audit process, The Europe will decline Air NZ flying into EU, or China? etc.
  The CUSTODIAN of Code of conduct is the CEO with the Board having oversight.
  Basically they are buggered, But Non questioning by MP’s with no idea.
  Just to be known I fully agree with business everywhere ( Saiudi) etc
  But this is a far serious matter in non disclosure than that.
  
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  February 12, 2021 2:13pm
KevO'Brien

For those of you who are following the Davos “Transhuman” agenda as outlined by Klaus Schwab see these recent developments from Elon Musk:
https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/tech/2247959/elon-musk-brain-chip-monkey-video-games-mind/

They want more control than the PM.
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February 12, 2021 8:08am
Loddenthinks

Cancel culture alive, well and flourishing – no doubt emboldened by the anti-Republican sentiment.

Gina Carano has been fired from Disney for holding views contrary to the mob.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300228116/gina-carano-fired-from-the-mandalorian-over-abhorrent-and-unacceptable-social-media-posts
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February 12, 2021 8:09am
- Surely Knott
  
  And if you read further into the article what she actually said was, “”Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbours . . . even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realise that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbours hate them simply for being Jews,” Carano wrote on her Instagram story on Tuesday. “How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?””
  
  They cancelled her, not just from her job but publicly shamed her to ensure she doesn’t get another, for a post that was calling for tolerance of different views and greater acceptance of your neighbour. And the dangerous history of where intolerance of one group has lead in the past.
  
  She could have added in the witch hunts, mccarthyism and any other period where it started with a lack of tolerance for people with different views.
  
  Never mind. Next paragraph says she was a trump supporter. That explains it. Cancel her.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:23am
- Frank the tank
  
  We need legislation to stop this kind of corporate bullying. Reading that article even WokeStuff had some sympathy.
  
  I’m struggling to see what she has done wrong.
  
  Batty – care to advise? I’d be interested on your thoughts on the matter.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:28am
  - Batman
    
    Unprofessional social media posts can often get you in hot water.
    
    I like her character but she’s flown too close to the sun with some of her posts. It’s not that she’s a conservative, but the mean spirited baiting of others groups.
    
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    February 12, 2021 9:05am
    - plc
      
      That is not apparent in the posts quoted in the article which I would have thought would be the worst examples.
      
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      February 12, 2021 9:07am
    - David George
      
      “the mean spirited baiting of others groups”
      Have you any self awareness at all Batty?
      
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      February 12, 2021 9:08am
      - Batman
        
        Oh I do. But I think it’s generally OK to not let up on wannabe fascist authoritarians like America First and MAGAworld.
        
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        February 12, 2021 10:08am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Batman – it seems to me to be the Left that is taking the fascist position of cancelling anyone they disagree with.
        So you are saying it’s ok for her to bait those people?
        
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        February 12, 2021 1:00pm
      - Batman
        
        She is free to do so but she isn’t free from the social consequences of being a dickhead.
        
        It’s amazing that some think it’s fine to target marginal groups as if it’s acceptable behaviour. It’s not 1970.
        
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        February 12, 2021 2:02pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Batman – the only “targeting minority groups” she did was trying to show how horrible trans activists are (and they most definitely are). She admitted that was a mistake.
        
        Again, you seem to be working very hard to justify her mistreatment just because she’s got different ideological beliefs to you. It’s not the early 1940s.
        
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        February 12, 2021 2:31pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      The only “Baiting” was the Beep/Bop/Boop thing which she admitted was a mistake after having an honest conversation with a friend about it.
      That’s what she advocates – honest conversations, not bullying. Please advise how she’s wrong.
      
      Her comments aren’t unprofessional, you just disagree with them. There is a difference.
      
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      February 12, 2021 9:21am
      - Batman
        
        Oh come on, they were unprofessional. She worked for Disney, of Micky and Minnie Mouse fame. It’s the All Blacks of Hollywood and this requires a suitable standard.
        
        She should have known to keep overtly political views offline. She is most welcome to have whatever view she likes between friends and family of course.
        
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        February 12, 2021 9:49am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Batman, see my post below:
        It’s only “unprofessional” because you disagree with it. Political views etc are constantly expressed online by actors and actresses. Are you advocating that only Left-wing political views should be allowed online?
        
        Also – she works for Disney. Walt Disney (of Micky and Minnie Mouse fame) was a very famous anti-semite (actual not imagined because you dislike him).
        
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        February 12, 2021 9:57am
      - oldfella
        
        Batman, if Disney is just ‘protecting its brand’, why not be consistent?
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        On Wednesday night, Disney announced that the company had cut ties with Mandalorian actress Gina Carano following outrage over her Instagram post comparing cancel culture to the Holocaust. Yet Pedro Pascal, the lead actor in The Mandalorian, also made an offensive and politically-charged Holocaust comparison, and it seems Disney has not taken any action in his case.
        https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/02/11/disney-fired-gina-carano-for-a-holocaust-tweet-what-about-pedro-pascal-n1424976
        
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        February 12, 2021 3:33pm
    - Nukuleka
      
      Batman criticizes the woman for her ‘mean spirited baiting of others (sic) groups’ and then in his next post writes ‘the crying from you lot is hilarious’ .
      
      Does Batman have no sense of self-awareness whatsoever?
      
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      February 12, 2021 9:25am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Ahhh the ‘parable’ of Icarus. Funny how the other side can go full supernova and no consequences.
      
      I didn’t rate the character. One of the few disappointments (in an otherwise excellent series) was the female cast development.
      
      Anyway solved now – Laura Dearn to reprise her post woke feminist general role in the third season?
      
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      February 12, 2021 9:51am
      - Batman
        
        I thought she was fine for the role because she was not a good actress as such. Her character intentionally had a slightly awkward and wooden quality because of her background and experience as a jump trooper or whatever she was.
        
        Anyhow, given they somewhat wasted Laura Dearn on one very good lightspeed crash, they will probably use more of Rosario Dawson, which I know you will be suuuper stoked with ?
        
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        February 12, 2021 10:16am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      She’s not a professional commentator, author, columnist or publisher. She’s an actor FFS – how is it possible for her to make an “unprofessional social media post”?
      
      Her (thought-)crime is that she holds a different view to you. BURN HER!!!!!!!!!
      
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      February 12, 2021 11:25am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Plenty of other Hollywood celebs and actors make political posts that are actually hyperbolic, outrageous and offensive all the time. And not a squeak out of the bat.
        
        I would love for him to be just cancelled on KB one day, banned without warning, explanation or recourse. See if he likes them apples.
        
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        February 12, 2021 10:34pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  In other news:
  Hollywood has fired every Left wing actor and Actress who have repeated false claims that Trump conspired with Russia to steal the last election.
  In a statement, they said that a very thorough two year investigation found zero evidence of this so it is only reasonable to reagrd it as false “it’s not as if we’re just relying on MSM “Fact Checkers”. The same action will also be used against anyone who claimed there was a Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine when the phone call the lie was based on had no such thing and claims that Trump incited the “attacks” on the Capitol even though his speech did no such thing.
  In a similar, earlier statement, they also announced that anyone who called Trump “Literally Hitler” has also been fired as they have minimalised the very real terror imposed on the Jewish people by Hitler and the Nazis.
  
  Oh right, the Left are massive hypocrites.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:36am
  - Batman
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    The crying from you lot is bloody hilarious ?
    
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    February 12, 2021 9:08am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Don’t worry, they’ll soon be able to donate to the TRUMP 2024! campaign. That’ll make them feel better.
      
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      February 12, 2021 9:13am
      - Batman
        
        I think you mean the Gaetz Greene MAGA America First 2024 campaign? ?
        
        Or maybe Trump Carlson 2024.
        
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        February 12, 2021 9:56am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      You have a problem.
      If you can’t see the hypocrisy you are blind.
      This innocent woman has lost her job, and they’re going after her livelihood because she disagrees with people like you. THAT IS NOT A CRIME.
      I don’t like Trump but I don’t let that blind myself to reality – I guess that’s why you call yourself “Batman”?
      
      Please advise what crime she’s actually committed? Not opinions that you disagree with but actual hate etc that she’s spouted. She’s not the bigot in this argument.
      
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      February 12, 2021 9:28am
    - Inandout
      
      Bat, your hero Joe is in the WH seat, this is what you wished for. More to come, hold on to your seat.
      
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      February 12, 2021 9:30am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Actually, there is not much anti-Republican sentiment in the US, as evidenced by their stronger than expected showing in the congressional elections. There is a lot of anti-Trump sentiment, but that’s rather different, despite his hold over the party.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:48am
  - Batman
    
    A bit difficult to explain that to those who long for the idolatry of one strong leader, over and above an organisation
    
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    February 12, 2021 9:45am
- niggly
  
  And apparently what she said (as has been reported in the MSM – I haven’t seen her original tweet though) is pretty much factually correct.
  
  So what is the issue (as that’s not been reported – just “outrage” instead and some conflation), I’m guessing it’s because she isn’t endorsing the MSM/Democrat/Activist view that it is ok to trash your opponents (eg conservative people)? Can someone explain?
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:57am
  - niggly
    
    Ahh, I see Batman has explained (to others), ok thanks (I’ll mull that all over)!
    
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    February 12, 2021 10:36am
- Inandout
  
  Disney reopened in Chynna.
  ‘On May 11, Shanghai Disneyland opened for the first time since late January 2020, with limited capacity. Masks and social distancing measures were enforced. Tickets sold out within minutes for opening day’.
  Snow White and The Seven Airens?
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:19am
  - oldfella
    
    How about Snow White and the Seven Uyghurs?
    Uyghurs are great actors going by those CCP movies we’ve seen on the news. All happy and smiling and praising Chynaa for being so good to them.
    
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    February 12, 2021 2:17pm
Nukuleka

I received the following response from my electorate MP in reply to mine about local body Maori wards:

‘I support the removal of the binding referenda as it required only 5% of the local constituency to oppose the inclusion of a Maori Ward within the local Authority and this is where the unfairness occurs. What will now happen is non-binding referenda, which allows the public to have their views heard, but does not disproportionately disadvantage Maori.’

Totally false to claim that 5% of the electorate petitioning for a referendum is unfair when 100% of the electorate then votes on whether to establish Maori wards or not. I told my MP that she clearly does not support the democratic process.

Ironically, she is a Maori who represents all her constituents be they Maori, NZ European, Indian, Asian or whatever and in spite of belonging to a party I do not support she is a good MP. She is a prime example of just why race based government representatives are unnecessary.
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February 12, 2021 8:10am
- rockape
  
  She as also the person who stood by and watch her partner assault her friend then refused to give a statement to police. Who does that help family violence or violence against women. In my book she was an enabler of it.
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:01am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Point out to her that Jacinda killed our oil and gas industry off a petition signed by 35,000 people which is less that 2% of voters. AND she didn’t put it to a binding referendum, she just did it.
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:05am
  - Inandout
    
    Lib, this would be Jacinda’s ‘Keystone moment’. Blind virtue signalling.
    
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    February 12, 2021 11:21am
- Loddenthinks
  
  If your post is correct, which I have no reason to think otherwise, she’s either stupid or dishonest to make that claim (5%).
  
  While that may not necessarily be uncommon among MPs of all persuasions, it doesn’t make her a good MP.
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:29am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Not sure why you might think my post is incorrect! I haven’t named the MP in question as I don t want to embarrass her. Her response will be the standard one given by Labour MPs.
    
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    February 12, 2021 12:29pm
- cas
  
  One of the local councils round here said before this Govt intention came out that it didn’t need Maori wards as representation was even. Now it is going to ask the voters at the next election what they think. At last a democratic Council.
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:50am
Tomtoddy

There is a large Auckland Transport bus passing along my street every 20 mins from early morning till late night. I have never seen more than one passenger on any bus at any time, ever. 99% of the journeys are with an empty bus. I presume someone uses this service at some point on the route.

Surely there must be a better way of managing this service at less cost to the ratepayer.

I see bus useage in Auckland fell significantly over the 2019 year before Covid. Do Phil and his team know what they are doing?
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February 12, 2021 8:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The short answer to that is no.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:16am
  - sooty
    
    Maybe you live on the route to the bus depot?
    
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    February 12, 2021 8:22am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The longer answer is ‘ha ha ha, yer ‘avin’ a larf mate!’
    
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    February 12, 2021 8:26am
- cmm
  
  “Surely there must be a better way of managing this service at less cost to the ratepayer.”
  
  Hello stranger, you’re new in this town…
  
  If you keep thinking that the purpose of public transport is to actually transport people cost effectively you will never understand.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:29am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I wouldn’t be caught dead on one of those socialist disease incubators. Apart from ferrying WINZ “customers” about, all they do is clog up the streets.
    
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    February 12, 2021 9:20am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Totally. Loser cruisers are for other people.
      
      Hat-tip Phil Goff, Len Brown and every Labour/Green MP.
      
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      February 12, 2021 11:31am
- artemisia
  
  One would hope, and expect, that the bus company would make a change to save money and resources. But why would they if they are getting paid to run the route and the timetable.
  
  Not to worry, it’s only ratepayer and taxpayer money, though about 11% is actually paid by actual passengers.
  
  Probably cheaper to transport passengers on that route by helicopter.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:36am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  The virus incubation boxes were considered an essential service.
  
  The best place currently to catch the chinese flu is in managed isolation detention.
  
  We are importing the virus at a good rate it is only a matter of when not if it escapes, or is released.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:37am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Buses were an essential service during lockdown. Many essential workers still relied upon them for transport to work. You might recall others were discouraged from using them other than for essential travel.
    
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    February 12, 2021 9:45am
- OTGO
  
  I have noted the same thing on the trains too. I would like to know the cost to the ratepayer of those empty seats. I have looked on the AT and AKL Council websites but can’t find anything.
  Maybe they could give every ratepayer a free Uber Card to use off peak so that those empty buses and trains wouldn’t be running?
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:34am
  - Flossie
    
    It’s going to be interesting to see the uptake of seats on the Hamilton/Papakura train beginning April.
    This is a hugely expensive exercise and I don’t know anyone who is going to need to leave Hamilton at 6.30am – much less 5.45am – to get to Papakura, and return at the end of the day. At $12.20 a trip any regular commuter is going to be forking out $120 a week, which granted may work out cheaper than owning and driving a car (I have no clue about that) but Papakura is highly unlikely to be the ultimate destination of most.
    But maybe I missed the survey on how I’d use the service.
    
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    February 12, 2021 12:28pm
  - artemisia
    
    OTGO – not exactly what you wanted but indicative –
    
    Where our funding comes from:
    
    48% Auckland Council and NZ Transport Agency funding for capital projects,
    17% Operational funding from Auckland Council,
    16% Operational co-investment from NZ Transport Agency,
    11% Public transport income,
    5% Parking and enforcement,
    3% Other revenue.
    
    https://at.govt.nz/about-us/working-with-at/how-we-are-funded/
    
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    February 13, 2021 12:03pm
Maggie Pie

And thort this was worth sharing with the group….

One of my FB friends from the NT, has posted this amazing vid of a humongous Croc, eating sharks off a Queensland beach.
She provides commentary from the moment the giant Salty attacks….

https://youtu.be/mK2nFU4hlL8
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February 12, 2021 8:16am
- cmm
  
  In the St Lucia estuary in South Africa there are a lot of Zambezi sharks (aka Bull shark) and Nile crocs.
  
  They have big ding-dong battles with eachother and harass fishermen in small boats etc.
  
  But everyone: sharks, crocs and fishermen, know to stay the hell away from the hippos!
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:23am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Been to St Lucia.
    travelled extensively through there and beyond.
    Agree about Hippos.
    Seen a dead hippo killed by croc. One wonders the size of that croc. That was in the Okovango delta.
    Was in Vic falls first commercial buggie board down the Zambezi and local got taken 10 mins before we arrived.
    go figure.
    Lived and worked extensively Stn africa. great times and memories.
    Bull shark kills more world wide than any other.
    
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    February 12, 2021 2:22pm
    - cmm
      
      If a croc killed a hippo then it was quite likely very sick. When they get sick even the birds start eating them while they are still alive – they’re big lumps of food and Africa needs calories.
      
      Yup Zambezi (aka bull) sharks are common in fresh water. I knew a one-legged spearfisherman who lost a leg to one about 10km upriver.
      
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      February 12, 2021 4:09pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Actually we were paddling in a dug out.
        And the Hippo had died on bank( i assumed from Bite).
        as you said it could wll of been sick. Bloody dangerous animals thats for sure and account for more deaths than any other animal.
        FWIW used to live in Walvis Bay early 90’s and tiki toured mostly all way through,
        Loved it, Great memories. lake kariba, Caprivi, Maun, etc.
        
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        February 12, 2021 4:48pm
cmm

Stuff: “Collapse: Why the CTV tragedy is a blight on a city and a nation”

Oh, FFS, C’mon stuff, shit happens.

Sure in an ideal world we could see into the future and make different decisions and avoid all negative results, but that is not the way it is.

We constantly play off risk vs reward all the time. We eat food that might have been contaminated. We drive in cars and might be involved in crashes. We build buildings and sometimes they fall down.

We’re always assessing risk and reward. Sometimes we do that for ourselves and sometimes we get professionals to do it – be those bus drivers, engineers, computer programmers, doctors, lawyers, whatever.

Humans, and processes are imperfect (spot the number of spelling mistakes we see on Stuff, for instance). Engineers, individually and as a process, generally make very good decisions and are good at riding the risk/reward curve.

Sometimes the outcomes are not what we want, but we should recognise that as the cost for the benefits we get as a society.

If we always expect perfect outcomes then we’re screwed as a society. We’ve back to the era of driving cars at 4 miles per hour and increasing building costs by 10x. No planes. No fast food.

Just as we choose 100kph as the open road speed limit to get a “sweet spot” on the risk vs reward curve, we need to do the same with other areas of our lives too – including buildings and earthquake risk assessment.

While earthquakes freak people out, it is worth putting the risks in context. About 5 or 6 people per year are killed on average in NZ. That’s tiny. And every time there’s an earthquake, the older, shittier buildings are damaged and what is built is better. We’re wasting our time worrying about these risks.

Far bigger risks:
– the road toll that kills 300-odd a year.
– obesity which kills many thousands a year.

And before anyone starts any of that “You wouldn’t say that if…” nonsense, I knew two people that died in that incident.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124159737/collapse-why-the-ctv-tragedy-is-a-blight-on-a-city-and-a-nation
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February 12, 2021 8:16am
- Andrei
  
  257 Air New Zealand Flight 901 airliner accident 28 Nov 1979
  256 1931 Hawke’s Bay earthquake earthquake 3 Feb 1931
  200 1820s Southland tsunami tsunami 1820s Orepuki beach Possibly more than 200 killed
  189 HMS Orpheus shipwreck 7 Feb 1863 off Manukau Heads, near Auckland
  185 2011 Christchurch earthquake earthquake 22 February 2011 Christchurch
  151 Tangiwai disaster train wreck/lahar 24 Dec 1953 Whangaehu River
  135 1st Little Waihi landslide landslide 1780 Waihi Village
  131 SS Tararua shipwreck 29 Apr 1881 off Waipapa Point
  121 SS Wairarapa shipwreck 29 Oct 1894 off Great Barrier Island
  108–153 1886 eruption of Mount Tarawera volcanic eruption 10 Jun 1886 Mount Tarawera
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:25am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    for genuine order of “importance”
    divide by NZ population at the time and re rank them.
    
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    February 12, 2021 9:34am
- Andrei
  
  And all New Zeakand disasters a piddly compared to others that have occurred throught history, like the 19oo Galveston Hurricane that took 10,000+ or the boxing day Tsunami
  
  The mother of all natural disasters in relatively recent history where the Chinese Floods of 1931 which killed up to 4 million people
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:33am
  - Paulus
    
    Didn’t the Spanish Flu take over 40,000,000 people ?
    Currently the Spanish want to change the name as it was not only Spain who suffered but most of Europe.
    
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    February 12, 2021 1:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  In general, your argument is correct, but does not apply to the specific design flaws in the CTV building, for which no one has been held accountable.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:50am
  - cmm
    
    It is the insistence that someone must be held accountable that is broken itself.
    
    I will grant you that gross negligence should be pursued with vigour, however there should not be an expectation that someone is held accountable every time a disaster happens.
    
    There is a shortage of structural engineers and some of that is due to prospective engineers seeing how an engineer is being hounded and then deciding to rather pursue some other career with far less pressure.
    
    This is not just limited to engineering, but to any occupation where an error might have great negative consequences. This pressure is pushing out competent people from drivers and pilots to doctors, lawyers and engineers.
    
    One tiny mistake/error and your life is ruined.
    
    For example I know a person who is an extremely competent programmer who generates high quality software. He went for an interview with a company that makes safety critical software (air traffic control). He was asked how he felt about writing software that could kill people if it went wrong. He turned down the job offer.
    
    Now clearly we don’t want cowboys writing air traffic control software, but if air traffic control software kills someone then the programmer is only a tiny part of the process. It is easy to zoom in on the programmer that wrote the offending line of code, but that would be stupid. There are also testers that should have caught the problem, pilots that should have realised the software was giving poor advice, etc etc.
    
    And if we insist on perfection then we’re limiting how those resources can be deployed.
    
    Is it better for a programmer to spend 5x the time eliminating the last error (hence the ATC software costs 5x as much and your air ticket goes up $20) or is it better that they expend that extra time doing something else that benefits society?
    
    Nett result of the above is that the ATC software industry lost a highly competent programmer and hired someone else who probably is not as good.
    
    The same happens in all areas of responsibility from bus drivers to doctors.
    
    Imagine if “someone was held accountable” every time there was a spelling mistake on Stuff!
    
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    February 12, 2021 10:31am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Imagine if “someone was held accountable” every time there was a spelling mistake on Stuff!
      
      Whoah! Beware of that slippery-slope fallacy.
      I don’t think it is unreasonable to hold professionals to an appropriate standard of care where failure can have serious consequences.
      
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      February 12, 2021 10:57am
      - Andrei
        
        The building was built according to the standards of the day when it was constructed.
        
        It survived a major earthquake which stressed the structural members of its construction –
        
        It would be contigent upon the owners of the building and the Christchurch city council to ensure its structural integrity had not not compromised by this initial earthquake which subsequent events proved to be the case,
        
        Often in engineering the initial design goal is to preserve life in the event of foreseable accidents and disasters but this does not mean the structure or machine is good for further use use after the event – indeed the very act of rendering a car, for example, safe for its occupants in a crash also means it is far more likely to be written off after an accident. Blaming the design engineer for engine mounts that fail in an accident and ensure the engine goes under the car rather than invading the passenger space would be both unjust and foolishness
        
        I love the way people like politicians and arm chair experts who produce nothing and take no risks are quick to crucify those that do while being quick to take the credit for the success of the people who do.
        
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        February 12, 2021 11:34am
  - gravedodger
    
    The CTV building successfully allowed all occupants to leave safely after the Charing Cross quake in September 2010.
    By February 2011 some Crats working for the Peoples republic of Christchurch had removed all restrictions for the CTV building to be used again and on the 22nd of that month the then weakened but certified as sound multi story building pancaked and suffered a subsequent fire, that was when 115 persons died.
    Afaik the original designer, builder and engineer had zero involvement in that disaster.
    To suggest otherwise pray tell us, how Harland and Wolff were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic??
    
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    February 12, 2021 3:04pm
- trout
  
  My take on the CCTV building collapse was that in the first earthquake the structure design proved to be earthquake resilient; i.e. (as with fire protection) the building design allows people to get out safely even if the building is damaged. After the first earthquake the building should have been written off; the engineers did not properly assess the structural weakness and allowed people back in. The weakened structure failed catastrophically in subsequent quakes.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:54am
  - niggly
    
    Fully agree! I recall media reports from people working in the CTV building (prior to the Feb 2011 earthquake & subsequent collapse) were concerned and worried. They were saying that the building (floors) were shaking whenever large trucks went past.
    
    At the time I thought, gee if that is the case (that concrete floors, that weigh probably hundreds of tons, were shaking/moving) then something isn’t right about this, structurally!
    
    So why didn’t the appropriate authorities take these concerns seriously and “red-tape” the building, as it was unsafe?
    
    (Granted, it would have been a “nightmare” for CTV to rip out heaps of TV equipment and wiring to move elsewhere (but is do-able), but there is no excuse for not moving the other tenants such as the language schools etc).
    
    As someone else said here a couple of years ago when this all came up again then, the building “did it’s job”, it held up after the first earthquake in 2010 in order for people to be safely evacuated, so it should have been condemned (ergo no deaths would have occurred at that later date).
    
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    February 12, 2021 10:45am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The first earthquake in 2010 was around 4am, so there probably weren’t too many people there to be “safely evacuated”. However someone needs to be held accountable for the checking of the CTV building after the 2010 quake, especially when tenants started to voice their concerns.
      
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      February 12, 2021 10:52am
- Raphael
  
  Far bigger risks:
  – the road toll that kills 300-odd a year.
  – obesity which kills many thousands a year.
  
  Donchaknow it’s fat phobic to point out that obesity kills people and the Woke Left now want you to spell it ob*sity to help prevent triggering.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Your analogies are invalid in this case.
  
  The design was deeply flawed. It was designed by someone with a fake engineering degree and approved by incompetent officials at the Council.
  
  Along with the PGC building, this was the only modern building in Christchurch that collapsed, killing scores of people. All the other deaths were a result of the facades of unreinforced masonary buildings collapsing and that was a long known risk that the Council had refused to deal with. None of the other hundreds of modern buildings in Christchurch collapsed. They may have been damaged beyond repair but they did the job and saved people.
  
  The designer of the CTV building should have been prosecuted and probably imprisoned.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:25am
  - Master Mariner
    
    That was my understanding too.
    Cost too much to change but knew it was flawed but signed off anyway.
    negligence
    
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    February 12, 2021 2:27pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  One important question re CTV
  Considering it had already survived an earthquake the year before….why did they let people back into the building, weakened by that earthquake?
  
  CTV did survive an earthquake, the year before.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:28am
Paulus

From what I have seen so far coming from Washington it is likened to any good Gilbert and Sullivan show, many of which I have enjoyed over my long life.
What Opera is coming out from well rehearsed emotional glorification of the ridiculous kind in many cases.
Having worked in the USA many years ago they are delightful people but once they get warmed up they become totally obsessed emotionally. Many become more like their antecedents from southern Europe and Africa and the tears start and they will not be swayed to reduced the rhetoric often totally in coherent and difficult to understand at the time.
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February 12, 2021 8:18am
Simon

BBC world service banned in China. They must have been up stepping the rhetoric

Also people who for more than 5 years couldn’t give a fuck about the Uighurs suddenly its a terrible crime

Theory is that the sudden hate towards China is about climate change. China will not buckle to the massive fraud that is man made climate change. As the elites dismantle Western living standards over this fraud they will turn to war against China.

Watch out for the narrative that is anti China. Many horrible problems with the CCP but the manipulation against China is over fake climate change
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February 12, 2021 8:23am
kowtow

It’s well past time that these eco loons were called out on their great announcements and told to put up the figures and social cost that their white privelige ,save the planet trick is going to result in.

And my thanks to the swing voters who brought this to parliament, not.

‘New Zealand needs to aggressively decarbonise its economy, both for itself and for the sake of its Pacific neighbours, Labour Dunedin list MP Rachel Brooking told Parliament on Wednesday.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/climate-close-new-mp%E2%80%99s-heart
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February 12, 2021 8:41am
lilman

So our PM wont accept 1 fatality through covid,but as the science says 50 people a day die in New Zealand through smoking diseases ,EVERY DAY.

This could be largely stopped with a stoke of a pen.

Hypocritical political hack.
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February 12, 2021 8:42am
lastmanstanding

The departure of Sean Plunket is another step in the Lefts purge of all conservative voices from the media.

They are set on a path where only Left voices and faces will appear in the media. This is the Marxist/Leninist state that our country has become lead by a Marxist/Leninist Government.

Sadly the Nats are so weak they are incapable of opposing this and other moves to stamp out conservative opinion.

The CCP Central Committee will be smiling as Comrade Ardern smooths the way for them to establish the South East Province.
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February 12, 2021 8:44am
- artemisia
  
  It should be a business opportunity rather than political. There would however be a case for National to announce financial assistance for a conservative venture. $50 million to start sounds about right. More later if needed.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:51am
- redeye
  
  And it seems like they’re now going after Peter Williams for daring to question the running orthodoxy.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/300228158/magic-talks-peter-williams-gives-shoutout-to-antivaxxers
  It wasn’t that long ago that mistrust in ‘big phama’ was the exclusive domain of the left. Now, if you dare to question them, you’re hard right.
  How do you keep up if you’re of the left? It was the same with free speech. The most important one week, then a crime the next.
  
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  February 12, 2021 8:58am
- Clyde
  
  Sadly you are right. Within my lifetime news has gone from being news to being largely opinion. News has always been subject to selection – editors choose which stories to run or not run etc – but over the last decade in particular, broadcasters have failed to provide neutral news and have instead opted for opinion. That means that they will be open to manipulation. The biggest means to do that is via financial influence. We are now seeing it with the manipulation of opinion by the hard woke left.
  
  The other major target in societal manipulation is via the education system. Universities are now so beholden on Government funding that they will bend to the will of Government and so hence the rise in all sorts of totally irrelevant but increasingly powerful departments such as Maori and Pacific studies. At the bottom end, we of course have the rewriting of NZ history to better reflect the bizarre beliefs of the political masters.
  
  1984 has arrived and make no mistake about it.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:01am
- oldfella
  
  And today, the cancel culture pitchfork mob comes for… Peter Williams.
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  After two hosts on talkback radio station Magic Talk were dropped for controversial comments, a third has referred listeners to the website of an anti-vaccine and anti-mask group, Marc Daalder reports.
  Magic Talk radio host Peter Williams told listeners to check out the website of an anti-vaccine and anti-mask group, saying they are “asking questions similar to mine here yesterday, except they appear to know far more about the science”.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/300228158/magic-talks-peter-williams-gives-shoutout-to-antivaxxers
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:10am
  - niggly
    
    A spokesperson for MediaWorks didn’t express concern over Williams’ comments about Voices for Freedom.
    
    “On Magic Talk we encourage listeners to ‘join the conversation’ which can range from the news/political stories of the day, world events and the issues that are affecting Kiwis,” the spokesperson said.
    
    “The show on Tuesday did cover discussions around Covid-19 vaccination. As mentioned on air yesterday morning, Peter hadn’t heard of the group before. He did not intend his comments to be a ‘shout-out’ to this particular group – he was purely sharing listener feedback. Peter would like to be clear he is not anti-vaccination.”
    
    Now that is how to respond to the critics – kudos, well done, to Mediaworks for backing up Peter Williams! Fully agree 100% with your statement!
    
    And for reinforcing that Peter Williams “hadn’t heard of the group before” etc. Clearly the Newsroom author is agitating, trying to do a hit-job, when it was perfectly clear what Peter Williams said was for discussion and he was not advocating for the anti-vaxers (and I heard most of the show, Williams was pointing that out from time to time)!
    
    Disappointed in Newsroom though, a total lack of balance and basically a partisan effort to attack a rival media organisation and cancel Williams, they ought to be ashamed – they are usually better than this, what gives?
    
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    February 12, 2021 1:23pm
- BAM
  
  Sadly the Nats are so weak they are incapable of opposing this and other moves to stamp out conservative opinion.
  
  That’s because they’re all on board with the great reset.
  Part of the roadmap is the removal of dissenting voices which is why Magic Talk is currently under assault.
  
  Vodafone NZ is owned by Brookfield Asset Management.
  Brookfield Asset Management is a partner with the world economic forum
  
  https://www.weforum.org/organizations/brookfield-asset-management
  
  Just a coincidence? I don’t think so.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:37am
- niggly
  
  One “good thing” though, check out Sean Plunket’s FB page, hundreds and hundreds of comments and the couple of dozen that I randomly read, from everyday Kiwi’s, are fully supportive of him (and are dissing Mediaworks bigtime)!
  
  Looks like CEO Cam Wallace underestimated the view of the “majority” (when he buckled to the few woke wankeratti’s) and didn’t back his own staff. Major fail!
  
  https://www.facebook.com/SeanPlunket/photos/a.748844885167058/3892232534161595/?type=3&theater
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:41am
artemisia

So Shelly Bay occupiers called the police on engineers legitimately carrying out site investigations. Unfortunately for them the police declined to act.

Meanwhile in other news another occupation of Puketiti Headland in Opua, in private ownership and housing planned.

Why not? Our Prime Minister has set a precedent, despite saying she hasn’t.
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February 12, 2021 8:48am
I remember when

I went to a party on Saturday night and I was frozen.
I said to the wife, “This weather is as cold as I can remember at this time of the year.”
She said, “I think it is climate change.”
I said, “Are you sure it’s not weather?”
She said, “If you can’t remember colder Summer weather at your age that’s climate change.”
I said, “That’s a pretty average sort of an answer.”
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February 12, 2021 8:48am
lastmanstanding

IMHO the Political Elites and the Corporate Elites have a single agenda. That is to control the thought and speech of the citizens.
It has many advantages for both. For the Political Elites it is so much easier to govern with the citizens will obey your every command and dictate. No messy opposition no having to endlessly explain and prove your self.
Just issue an order of the day and it is obeyed.

For the Corporate Elites its means more profits. You and your so called competitors set the market price and divvy up the market between you and the citizens buy your product or service.

This is where the West is headed with both Right and Left Political Elites on the same page.
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February 12, 2021 8:56am
- kowtow
  
  See new Labour MP Rachel Brooking speech above.
  
  Control , control ,control.
  
  See how she sees a parallel between approah to covid and climate.
  Be very afraid .
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:03am
- BAM
  
  That’s what the great reset is all about.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:55am
- chukar
  
  Yes —- one party government and powerless individuals!
  
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  February 12, 2021 7:00pm
Maggie Pie

“Hi. My name is Anna…and I’m a beroccaholic” 😀

https://vimeo.com/510574509

LOL!!
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February 12, 2021 8:59am
- plc
  
  She is more suited to be a member of the local amateur dramatic society rather tan a Member of Parliament.
  
  Real 6th Form Debating Team skills
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:07am
- doublehappy
  
  I started to watch and listen; what a complete load of effluent. The fact that the elected MP’s can listen to that is why they are all complete places from where the effluent originates. Maybe the Japanese minister for the Olympics has a point. But in fact, it applies to all sexes that are politically driven.
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:19am
  - Paulus
    
    He has been resigned from the Olympic Committee.
    
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    February 12, 2021 1:44pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  You gotta like her sass though! 😛
  Me and her are a lot alike in some ways. There’s a few people out there who for some reason don’t like my bubbly personality and positive attitude either.
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:34am
- niggly
  
  Phew National dodged a bullet there (when she apparently expressed interest in being a candidate before switching teams)!
  
  Meanwhile the Labour circus rolls on!
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:49am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Whaleoil used to call her ‘Marge’ – wonder why?
    
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    February 12, 2021 11:24am
kowtow

Our Media Pardy is creaming itself over AirNZ contract with the Saudis . Nothing about trade with the likes of Iran / China.
The double standard is astounding.
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February 12, 2021 9:00am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The double standard is ~~astounding~~ sadly ubiquitous. Can’t be a proper lefty without daily exercising double standards and being massively hypocritical.
  
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  February 12, 2021 9:59am
  - Swifty
    
    You’ve noticed it too?
    
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    February 12, 2021 10:05am
RW Capitalist

Considering there is an important (impudent) impeachment sham trial going on, which is basically an attempt to muddy the waters around a previous President. Just in case he has the impudence to take up his constitutional RIGHT, to run for President again.
A couple of Questions
1. What are they so afraid of? ..Maybe a competent President the like of which they have not seen since Regan. That actually does what he says and works FOR the people.
2. re the “insurrection” HAHA….I still laugh when I hear that word with regard to Jan 6th.
How did they remove these “insurrectionists” from the Capitol building?
Afterall, wouldn’t “insurrectionists”…stay? For it to be a genuine “insurrection”?
Did they
1. The capitol police wrested control and drove them out?…..NO
2. The army counter attacked an drove them out?…NO
Answer…they just walked out, after making their point.
Their point?….They are “we the people”.
This is what a REAL insurrection looks like and this is how you defeat it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis
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February 12, 2021 9:11am
- Batman
  
  Rubbish as usual from you mate.
  
  If the far left stormed the Capitol in January 2017 to have Clinton installed as President you’d be calling for death penalities and life prison sentences for anyone who protested let alone took part in the insurrection.
  
  The cold fact is that Trump spent months winding his base up into a frenzy, and then directed them to the Capitol with the false promise that he would join them.
  
  At least Hitler had the courage to actually participate in his Putsch instead of hanging back at the office to listen to the riot on the wireless.
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:00am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    1. NOBODY called for the installation of a President.
    2. “The cold fact is that Trump spent months winding his base up into a frenzy, and then directed them to the Capitol with the false promise that he would join them.”
    You mean his CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to challenge the result?….He NEVER, accept in your and the minds of the deranged dems, called for violence. Maxine Waters however……
    
    “At least Hitler had the courage to actually participate in his Putsch instead of hanging back at the office to listen to the riot on the wireless.”
    REALLY????????????????????
    This proves you know nothing of history.
    
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    February 12, 2021 10:48am
  - Wired-one
    
    Comparing Trump to Hitler now Batman? Get a bloody grip of yourself. You are an embarrassment.
    
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    February 12, 2021 11:30am
    - lifesgood
      
      I still find it hard to believe he is a mod. He gets almost as many downticks as SB2 and he always has a lot to say. I would have thought mods would be a bit circumspect. And man, he jumps on people for the slightest thing.
      
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      February 12, 2021 1:20pm
      - Batman
        
        Wired-one: if you look at the two men objectively, they have multiple similarities in terms of worldview, mental state, mannerisms, and speaking style. Putting aside Godwin laws and such, there are valid comparisons between National Socialism and America First.
        
        Lifesgood: yes and for the millionth time I shall point out that moderation is very different from commentary. As for downticks, that is merely a signal of not suffering from too much groupthink, as a lot of people in such online communities tend to do.
        
        I don’t mind the downticks at all really, time and the lens of history will cast a different light on this time in NZ political culture. I seem to remember DPF posting once that this blog is captured by Archives NZ, so future researchers may use these comments sections when looking into how Trump Authoritarianism and US conservative media influenced some NZ conservatives circa 2010-2030.
        
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        February 12, 2021 2:14pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Batman
        “there are valid comparisons between National Socialism and America First.”
        BULL SHIT
        National socialism, like Marxism ALWAYS results in dictatorship and central control…it can’t operate any other way and hence is doomed to fail.
        America First is a capitalist and freedom of association system that believes in the US Constitution and freedom of the individual…the US individual.
        re down ticks….YES you are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to laugh at you and call out your ignorance and stupidity.
        
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        February 12, 2021 6:21pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Batman, idiots attend all major protests. Remember we have such idiots in our own populace: Phil Goff, Helen Clark, Sue Bradford, Trevor Richards, John Minto, Hone Harawira and his mother are names that come readily to mind. There are others but I haven’t got time enough to list them all.
    
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    February 12, 2021 12:58pm
    - Batman
      
      Yes, and trump and his team wound those idiots up into a violent mob.
      
      Don’t play with fire and then play innocent bystander when it burns down the village.
      
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      February 12, 2021 2:04pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        BLM and Karmala Harris????
        
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        February 12, 2021 6:24pm
- Inandout
  
  On the subject of Joe’s mouthpiece..
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68IgBEUYhw0
  Love this show.
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The real rort is the scary affront that Biden won. There is so much evidence being ignored and hidden by media blinding that the rule of law is effectively rejected. That means it is a free for all and disorder will breakout. Impeaching a non-president? Where’s the legality?
  If The leaders can ignore the law why should the serf’s obey?
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:31am
Swifty

I remember well Lester Epps’ murder in 1981, particularly as I went to school at the time just around the corner, and maybe just 100 yards, from where the deed took place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQhspYgak8g&feature=emb_logo

It was huge news at the time, for little old NZ, and remained so for months and months. It really was big news – that sort of stuff just very rarely happened here.

Now I see these sorts of killings almost weekly it seems in the news.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300227708/codi-wilkinson-allegedly-killed-during-violent-gang-depatching

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/124208073/trio-jailed-for-fatal-beating-over-unpaid-debt

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124201834/three-years-after-his-execution-david-kukas-daughter-has-one-question-why

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300228149/fifth-person-arrested-in-relation-to-wellington-homicide

Every now and then I will google the offenders and it is surprising how many of them have an active Facebook account. For a risk-free glimpse into the sordid, shitty way many, many New Zealanders lead their lives it is unbeatable.

I don’t have the answers – I just remark that we have a sizable proportion of people living lives saturated in drugs, violence, booze, criminality, beatings, warring with other groups, broken homes, multiple kids living in squalid conditions and heading exactly the same way as their parents – and the numbers are growing every year.

Compared to 1981 when Lester met his demise we have gone massively backwards.

For responsibility I point my accusing finger directly at successive governments who have brought in policies to reward families to break up, to reward people for indolence, to reward people to have multiple children they can’t look after; to implement policy after policy after policy which, with the best of ‘intentions’, has delivered this seething, sordid, murderous underclass we have today.

And then we have the champagne-swilling lefty-luvvie politicians telling us that even more such policies is the answer in between trips to international conferences and 7-week holidays ‘home’ to Tijuana.

Go on-line and have a look at stats for Maori educational attainment, single parenthood, welfare-dependence, employment levels, criminality etc in earlier times and compare them to today. All the stats have exploded, in the wrong direction, since the 70s.

The further back you go, Maori were more likely to be employed, more likely to be married, more likely for children to be in a two-parent household, more likely to have not experienced the criminal justice system, more likely not to be dependent on the state.

And the modern crop of politicians will lecture us that it is because of ‘systemic racism’. What like contrary to everything we instinctively know that racism has gotten worse over time, not better? That the effects of colonisation get worse the further away from it we become?

I say again, we are being openly lied to – and by the very people we pay to represent our interests.
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February 12, 2021 9:16am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Fighting words, but true.
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:34am
- Yabster
  
  great post and points – but what can be done about it?
  
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  February 12, 2021 12:47pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Left wing are farming Maori for their votes by chucking money at them and immiserating them in the process. The “kindness” of easy welfare is fucking them over on a vast scale, the same way that indulgent parents wreck their children’s chances of being successful adults. The lazy instant-gratification that easy welfare enables leads to long term miserable outcomes. You don’t raise happy successful adults by coddling them and failing to instill any discipline.
  
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  February 12, 2021 5:06pm
Surely Knott

If President Trump is charged for incitement because people stormed the capital after his impassioned speech, then will Bernie Sanders also be charged?

Bernie’s People’s Summit speech which he gave in June 2017 calling for revolution and calling Trump ” “the worst and most dangerous president in the history of our country.” , was followed two days later by one of his campaign volunteers, who defined himself “by his firm support of Bernie Sanders’ progressive politics — and his hatred of conservatives and President Donald Trump”, went to a republican softball match with a rifle and handgun and fired multiple rounds from the dugout injuring five.

The shooter had tweeted multiple hateful messages including “”Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.” he posted on his personal Facebook page on March 22.
“Republicans are the Taliban of the USA,” he posted in February.” “He had also joined several anti-GOP Facebook groups, including “Terminate The Republican Party;” “The Road to Hell Is Paved With Republicans;” and “Join The Resistance Worldwide!!”” Where were the facebook police then?

Not only wasn’t Bernie or the socialist movement blamed. In NZ I can’t even find any record of it being reported! Bernie wasn’t stopped from running in future elections. Bernie supporters and progressives as a whole weren’t labelled.
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February 12, 2021 9:26am
I remember when

Poynter: 11 Feb:
“A study by Pew Research:
Of those who say voter fraud is a ‘major problem’, 52% say Fox News is their main source of news.
That same survey showed only 3% who consider Fox their main news source see voter fraud as ‘not a problem at all’.
The next closest were CBS viewers at 25%.”
So almost half of the people who say voter fraud is a ‘major problem’ aren’t Fox News regulars.
Also, large numbers still believe voter fraud is at least a ‘problem.’
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February 12, 2021 9:27am
rockape

I have it from a reliable source that NZ is training nurses, some of whom go to work in evil regimes like Saudi. Sarc.
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February 12, 2021 9:51am
- Swifty
  
  Our products are consumed by the evil Islamofascists who comprise the Iranian government – I wait expectantly for Golriz to call for a trade boycott of these people who regularly murder and terrorize their own citizens as well as execute gays in the public square for simply being gay.
  
  https://figure.nz/chart/nbtF29bDHOPy1Nuy-NwUvFc3ymf80RWSp
  
  Iranian government defends the execution of gays:
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/iran-defends-execution-of-gay-people/a-49144899
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:24am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The slippery slope is very popular on Kiwiblog today.
    
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    February 12, 2021 11:00am
    - Swifty
      
      Consistency and adherence to principles by our politicians would be a fine thing in my view.
      
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      February 12, 2021 12:16pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

I see where leftards now want to ban the word…. “BREAST”

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1359525643470450688

What would the alternative be?
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February 12, 2021 9:54am
- doublehappy
  
  Bristols.
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Milk jugs .
    
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    February 12, 2021 10:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Honestly, only my partner would come up with ‘tits’!
    
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    February 12, 2021 1:03pm
- Saks
  
  I heard nurses in the UK are now to refer to breast milk as chest milk and instead of mother, it’s now the “feeding parent”
  
  Without doubt, this is the beginning of the destruction of the human race
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:13am
- Yabster
  
  Fun Bags…
  
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  February 12, 2021 2:21pm
NoFax

Apparently the first vaccines will arrive here next week. Enough for border workers and their families etc. Which is good news – not front of the line but at least they are coming now.

However, when we look around the world it is clear that North America and Europe is doing far worse than the so-called developing world. Take the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh (pop. 200m ) with zero deaths for the last few days. The state have had 8,696 deaths which on a per million basis is far better than the UK or US.

So what’s the difference between India as well as other developing countries? The main thing appears that they treat people early – go hard and go early! There are a lot treatments that are working. The main one is ivermectin. I don’t understand why we aren’t using this. It is a wonderful drug that will bridge us to the vaccine. It now appears that the complete roll out of the vaccine will take 6-7 years. We need a treatment that saves lives until then. There is plenty of evidence and I suggest all to take a look https://covid19criticalcare.com/network-support/the-flccc-alliance/ is a good place to start.
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February 12, 2021 10:04am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ivermectin for sheep and people.
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:36am
  - doublehappy
    
    Should go well with our 56% sheeple then.
    
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    February 12, 2021 11:54am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    And now budesonide, an old asthma medication which might prevent up to 90% of hospitalisations and deaths. If that is the case it makes Covid less dangerous than the flu.
    
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    February 12, 2021 5:08pm
- fernglas
  
  Even Ivermectin’s producers don’t think it works against Covid. It is more likely that India’s low levels of obesity, acquired immunity because of poor public health, lower life expectancy have been the main contributor. Covid is mainly a problem for old, fat people who have been kept alive by Western medicine and live in hygienic places where they are not regularly exposed to other illnesses.
  
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  February 12, 2021 2:07pm
- Master Mariner
  
  really.
  “Apparently the first vaccines will arrive here next week. Enough for border workers and their families etc. Which is good news – not front of the line but at least they are coming now”.
  
  Yep for sure. But the question remains how much?
  
  Is it enough for all border staff and families? Whats the actual figure for that ?.
  
  It must also include all Ports and stevedores and families? etc.
  
  The question is how many Border workers are there and immediate families? ( Air / sea )
  
  I personally see this as another Mis information and everyone has fallen and forgotten about this.
  
  Yippy yippy yah yah the Vaccine on its Way ?
  
  If I’m a gambling man, I would put odds on 5000 as being closer to the number.
  Sincerely hope I’m wrong.
  
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  February 12, 2021 5:51pm
- alwyn
  
  Can I suggest that you read this story from the Economist about the situation in Peru.
  People who self dose with Ivermectin die from it!
  In particular look at this statement
  ” In Iquitos at least half the 700 who died in the hospital where he worked could have been saved, had they not taken steroids and ivermectin.”
  https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2020/10/03/self-medication-increases-pandemic-deaths-in-peru
  
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  February 12, 2021 7:30pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

not being a tedious wanker concerned about non-issues? They’ve travelled so far into clown world that they can no longer find their way back to the entrance.
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February 12, 2021 10:04am
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Prime Minister announces the arrival of a keenly awaited vaccine.

Standby for David Farrar to call it a publicity stunt.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/436268/covid-19-prime-minister-gives-briefing-on-vaccination-in-new-zealand
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February 12, 2021 10:07am
- Batman
  
  Are you confusing David with some of us commenters?
  
  As usual you’re having an unjustified crack at the host.
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:11am
  - Martin Williams
    
    It’s not unjustified. DPF posted just this accusation on Tuesday this week.
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/02/govt_playing_the_media_who_are_falling_for_it.html
    
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    February 12, 2021 11:00am
- Swifty
  
  Well, if DPF did call it that, he wouldn’t be far from the truth.
  
  This government is one great big publicity stunt led by an empty suit with an appalling taste in footwear.
  
  🙂
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:18am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  Roll up, roll up, the nasty Pfizer jab, whether you want it or not: https://hpv-vaccine-side-effects.com/covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-world-map/
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:38am
  - Martin Williams
    
    5G, Bill Gates, Illuminati, etc…
    
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    February 12, 2021 11:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is the PT PM going to give the negative reports on how dangerous it is too and that it’s been limited in some places? Further that the former chief of Pfizer reckons it to be too rushed and unsafe. Overseas reports are like a horror story.
  When we have to prove GM cabbages are safe how about GM medicines? Note the very rushed approval for a severely novel product.
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:42am
  - MCos
    
    I Googled ‘Pfizer horror stories’ and came up with this article from Ohio. A woman said sure she’d had significant side effects for a couple days, but nothing compared to the horror stories she’d heard of people that had contracted convid-19.
    https://www.whio.com/news/local/kettering-covid-19-pfizer-vaccine-trial-participant-shares-her-experience/2XBOCAUGQNBJNBN3UBUNDMZJIM/
    
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    February 12, 2021 12:38pm
niggly

Maggie Pie gave us this interesting link to Vodafone’s CEO the other day, so I took a look!
https://twitter.com/JasonCParis/status/1357416689390870529

And then looked at the page that CEO Jason Paris linked to:
https://news.vodafone.co.nz/news/community/ethicaladvertisingpolicy

Their marketing spinner then mentioned that they were “honouring the principles of Te Tīriti” (I’d like to see what Vodafone’s interpretation is, because as far as I’m aware the “principles” are not legally defined and somewhat vague as in they can interpreted any way one wants to) and she bangs on about how they “don’t condone racism in any way”.

Which of course, is an honorable thing (not being racist, I agree 100%) … however I immediately saw a double-standard in play.

Which is, if Vodafone are really that committed to not condoning racism (eg by threatening other organisations such as Mediaworks, to cancel their hosts) then why are Vodafone Aoteraoa not condoning their “racist customers”?

That is, why aren’t Vodafone cancelling accounts of the majority of their own customers, who don’t care that Talkback radio can be controversial (and the majority of whom, are not racist anyway)?

Ouch – I guess Vodafone don’t want to lose customers as they will then go broke (go woke go broke)!

In other words Vodafone are hypocrites of the worst kind – they virtue signal and bully other organisations, but don’t practice what they preach by “cancelling” (probably) >75% of their own customers (who are indifferent to talkback radio) to remain “pure”!

Also for a laugh, I LMFAO when I read this Michael Bassett column, which slightly predates the Banksie controversy.

Bassett puts the boot into Vodafone for basically being “snake oil salesmen”, not delivering on their promise and being uncontactable when he tried to hold them to account (to simply provide the service that they sold him)!

First: NEVER SUCCUMB TO ANY PHONE SALESMAN.

Second: STEER CLEAR OF VODAFONE’s BROADBAND/LANDLINE SERVICES, ESPECIALLY ANY PROPOSED DEAL RELIANT ON VERBAL PROMISES.

Third: DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH VODAFONE’S CEO. HE TOO IS A WASTE OF SPACE.

http://www.michaelbassett.co.nz/columns.php?id=276&yh=2021&yl=2020

Oh dear! It seems Vodafone are too preoccupied with spending their profits on “internal naval glazing and virtue signalling” but not their number 1 priority – their customers!

What a sucky provider!

Oh well as it happens I wish to change ISP’s and I know now who NOT to go to!
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February 12, 2021 10:11am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Brilliant niggs!! 😀
  A friend of my partners owns a major vehicle importing franchise and switched over more than 40 staff from Vods to Sparky last week due to their woke stance.
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:45am
  - niggly
    
    Heh, did you read Bassett’s piece where he wrote:
    
    As it turned out, I might just as well have posted my anguished note to Jason Paris to the Dead-Letter Office. Maybe he is still sunning his bum somewhere, because as of 20 January, six weeks later, there’s been no call, no letter, and no sign of anyone from Vodafone to ensure their customer’s problem has been fixed. I hadn’t realised that major phone services took holidays.
    
    As you would say … LOL!!! 🙂
    
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    February 12, 2021 11:05am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      LOL!!!
      
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      February 12, 2021 11:17am
  - chukar
    
    The same Sparky trying to extort money out of cricket fans?
    Just saying!
    
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    February 12, 2021 7:11pm
- doublehappy
  
  Me to. I am changing away from Trust Power/Vodaphone.
  
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  February 12, 2021 10:56am
  - hilaryt
    
    Trustpower leaned on Mediaworks?
    
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    February 12, 2021 1:18pm
kowtow

Filipino bashed to death by gang members over drug and “services” debt to prostitute who called in the enforcers .

Silly me , I thort Barnett’s Bill got rid of all dat. At least that’s what they said it would do.
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February 12, 2021 10:45am
- Paulus
  
  Note that Barnett is back fron the UK where he and his partner fled after he ceased to be an MP and now has some CEO job in some well paid quasi Government Department.
  
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  February 12, 2021 1:51pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Even the Ayatollah has rejected the vaccines Cindy is peddling to everyone, which even by her own submission, there is no evidence they prevent transmission. Now there is a leader who seems to care about the lives of his citizens (the Ayatollah, not Cindy, lol):

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20210109-iran-bans-import-of-uk-and-us-covid-19-vaccines-saying-they-re-completely-untrustworthy
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February 12, 2021 11:00am
- MCos
  
  That’s not the only thing where the old Ayatollah buck the trend.
  
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  February 12, 2021 12:17pm
I remember when

Not a great time being had by the Conservation Estate lately.
Firstly, the absolute debacle with the kiwi population at Mt Bruce during lockdown.
Now the death of 17 orange-fronted parakeet chicks related to heat exhaustion in Christchurch.
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February 12, 2021 11:01am
Fletch

Tucker Carlson on the whole Nov 6 attack – how much of what we’re hearing is a lie. Yes, five people died, but most deaths were directly unrelated to the attack, eg, one guy had a stroke, another had a heart attack. Neither took part in the attack. Oh, and that police officer who died was not hit with a fire extinguisher as many media outlets reported. It’s a good story, but not true.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/video-embed.html?video_id=6231022365001&loc=breitbart.com

But in fact, the story they told was a lie, from beginning to end. Officer Sicknick was not beaten to death, not with a fire extinguisher, not with anything else.

According to an exhaustive and fascinating new analysis on Revolver News, there is no evidence that Brian Sicknick was hit with a fire extinguisher at any point during the day. None. No video. Nothing.

The officer’s body apparently bore no signs of trauma. In fact, on the night of January 6, long after rioters at the Capitol had been arrested or dispersed, Brian Sicknick texted his brother from his office.

According to his brother, Sicknick said he’d been, quote, “Pepper sprayed twice and he was in good shape.” Twenty-four hours later, Officer Brian Sicknick was dead.

How did Officer Sicknick die? The head of the Capitol Police Union has said he had a stroke, no cause given. More than that, we still don’t know. Sicknick’s body was cremated immediately. Authorities have refused to release his autopsy.

No one has been charged in his death. No charges are pending.
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February 12, 2021 11:12am
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, same as that Blue Floyd guy who died of many other causes except ‘police brutality’. But shit, what a miracle from antifa/blm heaven, what perfect timing for those ready to shop free at Walmart. And what tremendous support they got from the Dems for ‘expressing their anger’.
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:37am
- Don Beckett
  
  Hold up Fletch. Batshit crazy Batman will be along to deny your story, and call you all sorts of Trumpist idolisers/fascist/alt right.
  But we know him well by now, don’t we.
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:38am
  - doublehappy
    
    There have been opinions from Batman that I agree with, though I more often find his points of view totally opposite to mine. He does though, like the rest of us, have the right to his opinion, otherwise you are just as bad as the cancel culture.
    
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    February 12, 2021 12:08pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      With respect, DH, the way he abuses others who hold a different view really annoys me – and he claims to be a moderator.
      I also have at time upticked a comment of his – then minutes later he heaps vitriol on someone who disagrees with him, and regret agreeing with him.
      IMO, he is one of about 3 very abusive commenters on this blog.
      
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      February 12, 2021 1:39pm
      - oldfella
        
        I think the really important thing is that KB moderators represent a full cross section of today’s Ayoteearowan society.
        Male, female, Maori, Pacific Islander, pakeha (optional), plus one each from the LGBTQ+ community.
        Have I missed any? 😉
        
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        February 12, 2021 2:52pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Normal human?
        
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        February 12, 2021 4:39pm
- MCos
  
  My wife once bought a can of pepper spray to use as self defence. Wondering what effect it’s caused she sprayed a bit it in the air near her face.
  She was not in ‘good shape’.
  
  What I wanted to know was how she got the stuff through security at Bangkok airport in her handbag?
  
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  February 12, 2021 12:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    One of the girls at tennis makes her own. Blends cayenne pepper with isopropyl alcohol and keeps it in a squeezy bottle.
    I always carry a can of Oven Cleaner whenever I’m out running.
    
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    February 12, 2021 1:17pm
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I’m just trying to imagine someone jogging carrying a can of oven cleaner!
      That’s hilarious!
      
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      February 12, 2021 1:33pm
      - niggly
        
        Maggie Pie means business, I’m sure she carries a box of them around with her when jogging, that’ll show those pervies who’s the boss and to keep their distance! 😉
        
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        February 12, 2021 2:25pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        And don’t buy just any old ‘oven-cleaner’ either Bobba.
        That BAM crap from NW is only good for removing make-up these days. Best go to a Chinese supermarket and get the commercial one they use in restaurants. Always wear HD rubber gloves as well.
        
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        February 12, 2021 3:23pm
    - oldfella
      
      With the oven on your back so you can multi task. Yes?
      
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      February 12, 2021 2:54pm
    - kowtow
      
      Bond taught us the brut deodorant and lighter trick , but probably not a good idea during a drought …..
      
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      February 12, 2021 3:34pm
      - Fletch
        
        THe guys at King of Random did a test to see which brand of hairspray is the best for using with a lighter as a flamethrower..
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lla5Ao9o3-Q
        
        It looks like L’Oreal is one of the best..
        
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        February 12, 2021 10:19pm
Fletch

It’s funny how Disney, who used to be kid-friendly and make cartoons, is now this massive corporate behemoth. They own Marvel, Lucasfilm, Henson, Fox, Pixar, ESPN, National Geographic etc.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they went into politics, bought the rights to the Democrat name and absorbed them, started the Disney Party, won the election and became this huge authoritarian, totalitarian regime (even worse than the Democrats already are, if that is possible).
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February 12, 2021 11:22am
- niggly
  
  Perhaps they could cast Goofy as “Sleepy Joe” and Minnie Mouse as Kamala Harris?
  
  (I seem to remember Minnie always had a high opinion of herself and bossed everyone else around)!
  
  Then Nancy Pelosi or Maxine Walters as the “wicked witch”? Perhaps they can jointly share the role – why not, diversity, and all that!
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:35am
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, they also are making syrupy woke movies which bomb at the theatres, so they go direct to TV. Their theme parks are losing billions and their stocks are up and down like whore’s drawers.
  
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  February 12, 2021 11:40am
surfing

When did Auckland change it’s name to Tamaki?

It should be called by it’s common name, to avoid confusion .

Unless there is some official poll to show that a majority want it renamed.
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February 12, 2021 12:09pm
Swifty

Behold the naivete of the Labour government and of Rosemary McLeod:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/124211827/why-i-dont-feel-sorry-for-landlords

“When students protested that accommodation supplements were well short of actual rents, the government gave them another $50 a week. Then landlords raised their rents by $50 a week. We might as well have put the money straight into the landlords’ pockets and called it a benefit.”

“Landlords have been told to install insulation and heat pumps. Maybe we thought they’d absorb the cost of that, in which case we were naive. They raise rents and make tenants pay for improvements. It’s win-win for them.”

Years and years of central and local government rule and regulation setting has resulted in NZ having some of the most un-affordable housing in the world and which has rapidly accelerated under this government – but now lefty-luvvies blame landlords.

Landlords are warming their hands on the fires that Labour have set! Blame Labour for throwing more petrol on the fires!

FFS – you couldn’t make this up.

I distinctly recall at the time of the student accommodation supplement increase Ardern saying that “it was her hope that landlords won’t use this as an opportunity to raise rents….”

In a market where demand is clearly and hugely outstripping supply? How fucking useless can you be! How naive!

We have kids in charge. Kids. And Rosemary McLeod has outed herself as one of them.
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February 12, 2021 12:13pm
- Yabster
  
  agree never read her column – terrible…
  
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  February 12, 2021 2:58pm
- artemisia
  
  Raising rents $50 pw was a complete red herring, aka a lie. Individual students got the $50 income but rents did not go up by $50 per student occupier. And in the unlikely event the rent per room went up by $50 the students could vote with their feet.
  
  At the time some landlords went public saying the rent of their flat went up by $50 and in some cases was still well below the market. It was a beat up and a lie.
  
  And at the time Grant Robertson invited students and others to email if about their rent. Many did thinking he would do something. (LOL)
  
  Well he did do something. Told them to apply to the Tenancy Tribunal for a rent reduction. AFAIK, and yes I looked at the time, nobody did.
  
  So much for columnists doing a bit of fact checking before splatting.
  
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  February 12, 2021 4:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

We have just given another $55Million to prop up our dying media….
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February 12, 2021 12:13pm
- Swifty
  
  Yep – our news media companies are now bought and paid for by the NZ Labour Party and with money taken from the pockets of New Zealand families.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-earmarks-55-million-to-support-public-interest-journalism-with-new-media-fund/5UU3XEUYEQ2422SKPKJR4JQZ2M/
  
  We are now Zimbabwe.
  
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  February 12, 2021 12:32pm
- Nickc2
  
  Blatant influence buying! Just imagine the shit-storm Labour and the Greens would create if National and/or ACT had done such a thing.
  It kind of makes the Air NZ debacle fade into insignificance really.
  I heard it mentioned that Chris Faafoi stated it was necessary because there was a lack of investigative journalism in NZ. Really Chris? I think such an act and the accompanying statement may come around to bite you on the arse.
  Personally, it can’t happen quick enough.
  
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  February 12, 2021 1:39pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, the rotters are still banner begging on their sites.
  
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  February 12, 2021 1:40pm
Jack5

The tone and Left-wing politics of Radio NZ lean against freedom of speech.

The State Radio’s web site features an article by an ethnic-Bangladeshi Muslim, Saziah Bashir, which advocates broadcasters should not give John Banks a radio platform.

Bashir, who is in her 30s, writes:

“How many times a year do we endure this almost formulaic ‘faux pas’ by an old white man in the media, followed by a half-assed [sic] apology and a tedious parade of excuses. Why do we keep giving these people a platform?

Bashir adds a view of the country:

” …whether I am home in New Zealand with my family or working in Australia, I am on stolen land of settler colonies …”

Are Bangladeshi immigrants not settlers here?

In a reprint from a piece funded by NZ on Air, Bashir also says:

“… as long as New Zealand’s governing institutions remain mostly white, and as long as the parties running offer mostly white candidates to choose from, non-white New Zealanders are not going to feel truly represented.”

In the last census, 2018, the population of New Zealand was 70 per cent white.

Why does Bashir oppose institutions being mostly white?
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February 12, 2021 12:56pm
- niggly
  
  She is clearly racist and bigot. Why isn’t RNZ deplatforming her? (Rhetorical).
  
  (I’m of mixed “heritage”, so I’m not a “white, pakeha stale male with racist views” as she would label me in return etc).
  
  Honestly, this sounds like activism masquerading as normality. Frankly RNZ should be ashamed they are promoting extremist, race baiting divisive rhetoric, that will do society no good.
  
  If it’s good enough for them to cancel Banksie and Plunket then it is good enough to cancel Bashir.
  
  It’s the hypocrisy that stinks the most! That’s what I’m calling out.
  
  Oh and if she doesn’t like living in Maori/Pakeha/multicultural NZ as far as I’m concerned she can F.Off back to her home country!
  
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  February 12, 2021 2:17pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Get used to more of this nonsense froma certain religion.
  A rolling stone gathers no moss.
  
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  February 12, 2021 2:40pm
- Yabster
  
  wow what a racist person she is, i would complain to RNZ but that I suppose thatwould make me as bad as the woke wankers that do that to express their “outrage”… I suppose that a problem for the silent majority!?
  
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  February 12, 2021 3:34pm
- kowtow
  
  Over the centuries alot of people died to ensure she could freely and safely express that opinion.
  
  These people need to start being grateful to the sacrifices of past for the fact that we live in a free society.( for the time being)
  
  Bangladesh has a shcking record of murder by extremists of bloggers etc
  
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  February 12, 2021 3:39pm
  - Swifty
    
    They slaughter atheists openly and in the street,
    
    With machetes.
    
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    February 12, 2021 4:22pm
pdm

I heard Barry Soper say to Jamie McKay on The Country that Mallard is hauling Chris Bishop before the Privileges Committee. It sounded like it was something to do with the No Confidence motion the other day.

Had a look around but can’t see anything about it anywhere.
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February 12, 2021 1:01pm
pdm

Further to my 1.01 post I see in The Herald it is allegedly due to him being involved in the National Party spoofing of the air head Anna Lorcks embarrassing performance in the house the other night.

Having watched her performance a couple of hours ago I am ashamed to say that she is MP for my electorate. Not with my support though.
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February 12, 2021 1:17pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yea and now that unwanted speaker (Mallard) has called Chris Bishop before the Privileges Committee for a light-hearted video clip National made of her cameo performance.
  
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  February 12, 2021 2:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well, well, well. Look where this takes you. Says it all really.
http://www.antifa.com
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February 12, 2021 1:24pm
- Nickc2
  
  Surprised? NOT!
  
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  February 12, 2021 1:26pm
Maggie Pie

This really…. CRACKED ME UP!! 😀

https://twitter.com/AntheaTurner1/status/1359945181462724611
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February 12, 2021 1:28pm
I remember when

Gina Carano tweets:
I think it used to be called satire.
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February 12, 2021 1:45pm
Fletch

’10 Famous Liberals Who’ve Made The ‘Nazi’ Comparison But Weren’t Canceled’ – includes Joe Biden.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/10-famous-liberals-whove-made-the-nazi-comparison-but-werent-canceled

Funny how that works, ey?
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February 12, 2021 1:55pm
- Batman
  
  Maybe because there was some validity to it in those cases, which is very inconvenient for the snowflake conservative class.
  
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  February 12, 2021 2:21pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Maybe you’re just trying really hard to justify the hypocrisy?
    Trump is not Hitler, not even a little bit – there is no validity no matter how much you want there to be.
    
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    February 12, 2021 2:36pm
  - Wired-one
    
    Coming from a man that gets triggered every time Trumps name is mentioned. There is no validity whatsoever in comparing Trump to Hitler. Doing so simply reinforces the fact that you dont know what you’re talking about, yet again.
    
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    February 12, 2021 3:48pm
  - herb1
    
    If you think there’s any comparison between Trump and Hitler , you’re very very ignorant of history , and clearly lack the emotional intelligence to see the disrespect you show to the 60 million who died due to Hitlers actions.
    
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    February 12, 2021 5:06pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naDNQOew3GA

14 AGs Slam ‘President’ GaGa’s Energy Policy.

A lot of AGs are angry about ‘President’ GaGa killing the Keystone L pipeline. The tax from this plan was funding a lot of their budget. Now, they’ll
have to ask the Feds. No sign of any ‘green jobs’ replacing them. [ I guess their ‘green job’ will arrive on the 12th of never.]
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February 12, 2021 2:13pm
- Inandout
  
  curry, many yanks are finally waking up to the fact Joe is goo goo ga ga. At his age he can go downhill very quickly.
  
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  February 12, 2021 3:32pm
  - curry4me
    
    Inandout: Yes, I wonder if he’ll even make it to Presidents Day.
    
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    February 12, 2021 6:03pm
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/10/impeachment-trial-jamie-raskin-heeds-mike-lees-request-to-have-statements-stricken-from-record/

Dems Forced To Withdraw Impeachment Lie.

Specifically, the incident that distracted from the Democrats’ case against Trump began when Democrat impeachment manager Rep. David Cicilline (D-RI) recalled public reporting that then-President Trump allegedly called Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) by accident when he supposedly meant to call Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) while senators were in a temporary holding room after being evacuated from the Senate floor during the Capitol riot on Jan. 6.

[ One Dem lie gone, nine bazillion to go]
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February 12, 2021 2:14pm
- Batman
  
  I saw this. Mike Lee is suddenly saying he didn’t say that, when for a month he was seemingly happy for it to be in the media, and provided to media by his spokesperson at the time.
  
  It was a weird procedural point which is hardly a lie given it was taken directly from public reporting, though this is Breitbart you’re talking about.
  
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  February 12, 2021 2:19pm
  - Inandout
    
    Yes Bat, if it was CNN it would be gospel, eh?
    
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    February 12, 2021 3:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Is this an add for Gorilla Glue?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/woman-cuts-off-forever-ponytail-after-using-gorilla-glue-in-hair/63WE7B2KYB3QOQSJ4L5SWFRMOI/
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February 12, 2021 2:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The level of stupidity in 2021 is way past amazing.
  Tessica Brown’s life goals:
  1. Have 6 kids. ✔️
  2. Name the boys “Quis” and “Big Blitz.” ✔️
  3. Open a daycare and teach other peoples’ kids. ✔️
  4. Get arrested for assault. ✔️
  5. Glue down weave with Gorilla Glue. ✔️
  6. Become famous by publicizing the fact that you’re so stupid that you glued down your weave with Gorilla Glue. ✔️
  7. Find a lawyer more stupid than you who will sue Gorilla Glue. ✔️
  8. Forever be known as Gorilla Girl. ✔️
  
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  February 12, 2021 2:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You just know some moron somewhere is doing this. The only thing that is not stupid is the MAGA hat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0Y6nPCvIfvQPqGBm9m90-wF0yVSu34jlxVod4AjunkuSlhWFHs-nxXF5w&v=bBIG113IvBY&feature=youtu.be
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February 12, 2021 3:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  MAGA hat = badge of stupidity
  
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  February 12, 2021 3:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Women’s sport is now fucked, and they only have themselves and the woke poofters to blame. But all competitors get a prize right?
https://notthebee.com/article/facts-dont-care-how-woke-you-are-measured-against-biological-males-the-words-fastest-woman-would-drop-to-the-2500th-fastest-woman?
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February 12, 2021 3:11pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s great though . We’ve been subjected by the woke media these past few years , over the anniversaries of various suffragette nonsenses ( they were the domestic terrorists of their day) All their great achievements .
  
  Now its come full circle for the activists . A man can get his dick chopped off and call himself a woman .The revolution eventually eats its own.
  
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  February 12, 2021 3:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They don’t even get the dick amputated – they are mentally deranged and FEEL female.
    Pathetic excuse. The girls can not win a sport sponsored scholarship because of the wimpy cheaters who can not beat their fellow men
    
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    February 12, 2021 4:03pm
- MCos
  
  Top level sport in a number of a disciplines has been fucked for a long time.
  Drugs have blighted track and field for more than fifty years, cycling, snooker, horse racing, rugby to a degree, baseball
  Back in the mid sixties I used to go along every Saturday during the summer and throw the discus, shot, hammer, javelin at athletic meetings in Chch.
  All the local athletes were there including Robin Tait. At the start of one season he turned up about three stone bigger than before & told everyone he’d been taking steroids, which wasn’t banned in those days. I remember one of the coaches saying he’ll be dead in his forties. He was.
  
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  February 12, 2021 4:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why not have sport if you are drugged up? Olympic Sports for the stoners and crackheads.
    Then Olympic sport for those who are Covid free – for now
    
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    February 12, 2021 4:50pm
Master Mariner

Interesting article on free speech.

See any simularities with NZ ?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/11/covid-used-as-a-pretext-to-abuse-free-speech-in-83-countries-hrw

And this is how NZ does it,

“COVID-19 and the lockdowns last year highlighted the important role our media plays in providing up-to-dated, independent and trusted information to the public,” Faafoi said

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/02/broadcasting-minister-kris-faafoi-announces-55-million-fund-to-rescue-grassroots-public-interest-journalism.html

Join the dots?
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February 12, 2021 3:56pm
RW Capitalist

Due o my wifes condition we were assessed for respite care options.
Got an email from the assessor
Asking her to apply for a community services card.
Rang them eligibility
Must earn, as a couple, less than $46k GROSS
including National super.
National super is $19 338 pa
So can earn $26 700 Gross pa. ie $12. 84 per hr
Min wage $18.90phr
So they offer these things, but most are ineligible.
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February 12, 2021 4:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Now you know why at 69 years young, I do 4 days (32 hours) a week. Working for 30% for every dollar worked for is the penalty if I have other income.
  Like fuck I am working with a 70% extra TAX.
  
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  February 12, 2021 4:54pm
  - Roberta
    
    Especially to pay it to this government!
    
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    February 12, 2021 5:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Run that past grantie, and watch the look on his face – he has no clue of numbers
  
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  February 12, 2021 5:11pm
Maggie Pie

We’re just sitting here having a nice chilled Chablis and tuned into HDPA. She just gave that Ricardo March a real grilling about his return trip from Mexico.
My partner wants to know, that as a Green list MP, and living off the taxpayers tit……what on earth does he bring to this country?
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February 12, 2021 5:33pm
- sooty
  
  His boy friend!
  
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  February 12, 2021 5:52pm
- Swifty
  
  His boyfriend.
  
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  February 12, 2021 5:53pm
- curry4me
  
  Maggie Pie: Nothing useful, that’s for sure.
  
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  February 12, 2021 5:55pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, MMP is the most appalling electoral system and this cretin hasn’t even been voted in; much like a Maori local body clayton councillor. Will we ever be allowed another MMP vote?
  
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  February 12, 2021 6:06pm
graham

*sigh*

I have just opened the local community newspaper – the Rodney Times, which is put out by Stuff.

There are probably three or four pages devoted to telling us about New Zealand’s – I’m sorry, Aotearoa’s – history. They have, unusually, branched out from concentrating solely on how we Europeans have ruined the lives of all Maori people who ever lived, and also delved into how gay men were persecuted and an anti-Jewish hate-speech prosecution.

At a quick glance, it seems to boil down to:

– Colonialism screwed everything
– All history is written from a European standpoint, so we can’t trust it
– If you’re not Maori, you need to feel guilty
– If you’re not gay, you need to feel guilty
– If you don’t feel guilty, you must be made to feel guilty
– Fortunately for you, we’re on hand to do just that

And joy of joys, they promise they’re going to spend the next few MONTHS investigating our history. IE, trying to make everyone who isn’t Maori feel guilty.

Ah well, at least it’ll make it that much quicker flicking through the pages to see if there’s anything of interest …
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February 12, 2021 7:44pm
chukar

Inandout,
MMP is destroying New Zealand.
One party government with the all power with bureaucracy is the result.
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February 12, 2021 8:04pm

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