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CJames

A comprehensive report done in the on the effect of raising the minimum wage showed “In its totality, this body of evidence and conclusions points strongly toward negative effects of minimum wages on employment of less-skilled workers” I suspect it really falls in the “No shit, Sherlock” class of information for most people, but it is metadata, documented and not just anecdotal. It is all peer reviewed and published in a leading journal
Myth or Measurement: What Does the New Minimum Wage Research Say about Minimum Wages and Job Loss in the United States? | NBER
So the government has condemned even more people to the unemployment scrapheap. And of course, the living wage they want everyone, even those without families, paid has raised the “minimum” even higher. I am so glad they are kind and caring.
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February 17, 2021 8:00am
- krazykiwi
  
  Those so condemned are sadly manipulated into believing the ‘right’ are to blame, and only voting for the caring left will fix their predicament. The naivety of these people is preyed upon by our neo-Marxist leadership.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:30am
  - edhunter
    
    If they truly were a caring govt wouldn’t introducing a tax free income bracket on the first say $20,000 achieve the same if not more? More money in the peoples pockets who most need it, no extra burden on the employer so no need to pass a increase on to the consumer win, win, win also the govt still get to collect the GST so a win for them as well.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:55am
    - SB2
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      edhunter, most important to work hard politically through say ACT to convince the voter about your flat tax proposal
      
      So far the typical voter is not convinced.
      
      Try much harder next time.
      
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      February 17, 2021 10:46am
      - amospicton
        
        How is zero tax on the first $20k a flat tax SB? Quite the opposite I would have thought. More ‘progressive’ in fact.
        
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        February 17, 2021 11:28am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Ed’s not your monkey. Work it out for yourself.
        
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        February 17, 2021 8:41pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Tax free on first $20k. People who get the most money back in their pocket from that are the ones on $180k+. They deserve it … 🙂
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:13pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        The people who ‘get the most in their back pockets’ are overwhelmingly those who study well, work hard, sacrifice short-term pleasure for longer-term wealth creation. Advances in science, education, technological innovation and improving quality of life for billions are largely attributable to these people. We need more of these people, and less of the toxic envy cooked up by Marxists intent on fabricating an enemy.
        
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        February 17, 2021 1:46pm
  - PeeJay
    
    So right KK. I came from a poor area and it never ceases to amaze me the tribal approach to voting – literally voting for the party that needs to keep them economically and socially depressed, without ever checking if what they were promoting were in their own best interests!
    TBF, see it on both sides a bit – most voters would vote a circus-clown in if they were wearing a blue or red rosette on election day, but there is a real absence of critical analysis in poorer areas that often see them voting against their interests. Charter schools were a great example of that – absolutely nuts that you’d vote for a party that wanted to abolish a great policy for poorer areas but sadly not a great surprise.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:13am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    And how do you know what people are manipulated into thinking and what they believe? Omniscience?
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:40am
    - krazykiwi
      
      No. It’s been a characteristic of authoritarian regimes since the dawn of time. Democracies do not escape, either. Read about the life and times of Cicero.
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:09pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Will it help with mind-reading what people believe and what persuaded them, like you can?
        
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        February 17, 2021 7:46pm
    - kevn
      
      The downtick king speaketh… yawn.
      
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      February 17, 2021 3:28pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        King Kevn the down ticker. How are ya?
        
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        February 17, 2021 7:47pm
- cmm
  
  They’re even seeing these concerns in South Africa where the minimum wage is about NZ$2 per hour.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:30am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The warehouse is loaded with cheap stuff that used to be made here but is now imported from China while we have hundreds of thousands of people out of work. At the same time the left are insisting that minimum wage hikes do not cost jobs.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:47am
  - kowtow
    
    The “Left” are quite happy for places like China to burn all the coal they like while our industry and homes pay shit loads more for power ……..
    
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    February 17, 2021 8:52am
  - Saks
    
    And it’s not even cheap now. Took the kids out to spend some of their hard saved money (good fundamentals around money from early on for my two, suspect home ownership will be a breeze for them!)
    
    I was amazed at the cost of toys. $30 for entry level plastic pieces of shit. My 8 year old couldn’t part with his cash. Especially once I explained to him that they cost about 50 cents to make and will fall to bits in a week or two., compared to the months he has taken to save up!
    
    There is hope yet but when you see the standard of other kids at sports and the muppet parents with them, I think we are screwed.
    
    Hard times create hard men.
    Hard men create easy times.
    Easy times create soft men.
    Soft men create hard times.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:36am
  - Sacha
    
    @ NK- That’s a pretty simplistic comment. Nothing made in NZ was cheap – raw materials had to be imported and often goods were badly made and had a short useful life. I remember when I had to wait for children’s shoes to arrive after being shipped from the UK. They cost 2x Family Benefit payments. With 3 growing children, that’s what the Family Benefit was spent on.
    I also remember TVs – NZ made were an impossible luxury, but imports were much cheaper. Likewise clothing – and cars, which were NZ assembled from imported components. NZ factories were soon proved uncompetitive price-wise and closed, with subsequent loss of jobs.
    And all imports were funded by the agricultural sector which at that time was meat and wool.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:50am
    - Bob
      
      Ah yes, the benefits I strong Trade Unionism.
      I remember the era well. Convinced me that I needed to concentrate while at school on real subjects, ignore the subtle ideology of the teachers, and then look forward to ‘lifting myself up by my bootlaces’.
      It worked, I was able to retire in my late 50’s.
      
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      February 17, 2021 10:10am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    141,000 for the December quarter.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:28am
  - Jack5
    
    It was hopelessly uneconomic to make some goods in this little country.
    
    At one stage we even tried to make our own personal computer, operating system and all, and there was talk about this being for national schools.
    
    On the other hand, it’s weird that while we once scoured wool in NZ for shipment to China, now much of it goes greasy to China for scouring there.
    
    And left behind, the big water resource right for the Christchurch scour is used by Chinese as a bottled-water source for China.
    
    Factors that may favour small, even remote, manufacturers against the historic trend to mass production are robotics and processes like metal developments of 3D printing.
    
    This could alter the balance between distribution costs and savings from mass production.
    
    In New Zealand, Scott Technology is the leading robotics firm, and its robots are at work in meat processing. It is a world leader in its field, and it has branches in a number of countries.
    
    Unfortunately, robotic processes and systems have often been overhyped, leading to scepticism about their impact.
    
    Here’s something from a sober source, Investopedia:
    
    – The healthcare industry has benefited from the introduction of surgical and telemedicine robots.
    
    – Drones are revolutionising parts of the defence and public safety industries.
    
    – The manufacturing industry has been using robots since the 1960s, but more intelligent manufacturing robots are dramatically increasing productivity.
    
    – Reconnaissance and digging robots are improving the safety and efficiency of mining operations.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:59am
    - CausticAcrostic
      
      Regarding the NZ school computers, talking to someone involved, Apple at the time reacted by dropping their prices to the bottom with long term contracts to shut their kiwi competitor out of this lucrative market.
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        I’m not sure the Apple 2 was on the market in New Zealand by then.
        
        It was going to be extraordinarily expensive to develop a computer purely for New Zealand, and with its own operating system.
        
        We were too small a market, and didn’t have the expertise to keep up with the development pace of the computer industry.
        
        For education, backing the development of the British Acorn would have been the smart option. By backing, I mean contracting for a bulk supply.
        
        The Acorn led to ARM processors, which 30 years later are a real force in the world computer market.
        
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        February 17, 2021 3:44pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    The worlds awah with money with governments printing flat out.
    Result in a nutshell, Everything is going up faster to catch up with all this Loose money supply,
    Good/shipping/ tangiable assets, houses etc.
    
    What about wages. This is the issue.
    
    We will end up like the Soviet Dicturm ” You pretend to pay us and we will pretend to work”
    All cheap goods dumped around the world is new coming to a end.
    What to do.
    Well for a start , Take back ownership of “Strategic assets” including Ports and refineries, Electricity suppliers.
    Start traing on manufacturing at home. Gut training institutes and start doing courses free or otherwise that will be beneficial.
    
    Whether Covid gets worse or not the damage is done. Border restrictions on supply of goods ( essential) will be closed.
    
    Look at EU fiasco over vaccines. Theres your answer right there.
    
    The world I work in is not a pretty place and getting worse. Trade agreements ( i believe) aint worth the paper written on when people have no confidence.
    
    Dont want to sound doom and gloom, But the reality is NZ is at the end of the world strategically and if border restrictions ( Supply/demand) worsen then NZ is going to find out it has no friends.
    Everyone for themselves.
    its probably not the best tiime to upset the Aussies.
    
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    February 17, 2021 1:37pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Well said and it had to be said! Will our MSM pick up on it? Nah, they are too interested in some pregnant dumbo who wants to be a Queen.
      
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      February 17, 2021 2:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  How are they going to fix the wage/price spiral they have started? I’ve had several emails recently about new increased building material costs -18% for rebar!
  This shows charts of international affects underway:
  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-02-15/us-about-set-record-and-its-not-good-one
  
  Those commodity price changes will work their way into production too and our prices. The MinFin won’t have the foggiest notion of what to do when exposed to external price changes impacting New Zealand. ~~Aotearoa~~
  
  Imposing further costs on employers must lead to job losses and higher demand for govt support payments out of thin air. Employers on reduced incomes are struggling to stay afloat–keeping them out of the watery grave should be a first priority. The catering trade gets noticed but what about others like electrical contractors who have staff too?
  Weimar II is lurking.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:54am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I am lucky, I already have a wheelbarrow . . .
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:52am
  - Bob
    
    But!!! the external price changes won’t impact AOTEAROA.
    We have the ideology of nirvana in AOTEAROA.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:12am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Great comment KevO.
    I’m just not sure our Government gets it and asleep at the wheel and blindsided by “working groups” and “ring in” consultants.
    
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    February 17, 2021 2:03pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s not really as open-and-shut a case as you might think. Economic analyses is not actually conclusive on the matter. In some circumstances, a minimum wage can support employment, by reducing transaction cost from employees moving firms. Empirical data on the matter is mixed.
  I favour a different perspective. A minimum wage is just another standard employment condition in a modern nation, along with health and safety standards, maximum driving hours, leave entitlements, etc. All of these things impose costs on employers. a fully free market would definitely encompass child labour in dangerous occupations, etc.
  Adding to this the fact that taxpayers already effectively massively subsidise lower-paid employment through Working for Families, it make no sense to fixate on the minimum wage alone. Yes, it is a factor in employment rates, but by no means the only factor.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:58am
  - Simon
    
    Higher minimum wage reduces subsides the working poor receive such as accommodation supplement and working for F.
    
    Higher minimum costs are passed from employer to customer but there should be an offset in reduced overall taxes.
    
    Tax rates should be adjusted down but never are.
    
    In a pure market world i.e the world the neolibs want, then child labour would be imported from the third world. NZ child labour would be priced out.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:32am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    WOW….
    That’s a leep
    Minimum wage to child labour…..
    Hyperbole much???
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:37am
    - SB2
      
      Getting close to it if you look at Trump’s MAGA.
      
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      February 17, 2021 10:49am
  - kloyd0306
    
    When you have run a successful business, have actually employed people long-term, have made payroll, have made a profit – then feel free to make a comment. Otherwise……….
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:48am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I assume then that you only make comments on subjects with which you have personal experience. Also, that you disagree with the economic analysis referred to in CJames’s comment as those economist will also never have run businesses?
      
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      February 17, 2021 10:06am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Economists have no idea about running a business, they just just deal meta data and make predictions of little value.
        
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        February 17, 2021 11:12am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Suppose you want to help low skilled workers by ensuring they get a minimum of $20 per hour of work. There are two ways you might do that:
    
    1. Make it illegal to employ anyone for less than $20 per hour
    2. Allow employers to pay the market rate but have some form of taxpayer funded income top-up, e.g. a negative income tax.
    
    If I was a low skilled worker I would be hoping like hell the government chooses the second one.
    
    The first one loads all the cost on the people I am hoping will give me a job and who may well be competing with overseas businesses that are not subject to the same rules. They will either replace my job with a machine or struggle to compete.
    
    The second option makes it easier for me to find work and spreads the cost of my above-market wage across the entire economy, which is where the cost of social policies should fall.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:54am
    - Master Mariner
      
      50 Billion already pumped into the economy.
      For what result?
      To blindly carry on as if things are normal?
      These are’nt Normal times.
      Just like rabbits in the headlight.
      
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      February 17, 2021 2:12pm
- Scott
  
  Yes if you raise the price then people buy less of it. If a big Mac was $15 then people would buy less big Macs. If the price of an employee is $20 an hour then employers will purchase less labour.
  The government should get out of the practice of setting wages. It only leads to less jobs and more unemployment.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:05am
  - Maxx
    
    And using the same analogy, if a big Mac was previously$15 and is now $20, yet the price of a gourmet burgers is still $23, I’m more likely to now choose the gourmet burgers. 15% difference vs a 50% difference.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:23am
  - Simon
    
    “Yes if you raise the price then people buy less of it.”
    
    Bitcoin, Auckland housing a couple of examples of rising prices creating more demand.
    
    Its not black and white, there are underlying conditions. Rising wages generally should see a reduction in taxes. The problem is the high rates of taxes as living standards improve.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:37am
    - john1234
      
      “Bitcoin, Auckland housing a couple of examples of rising prices creating more demand.”
      
      I’ve seen some garbage but that post takes the cake!
      
      They are examples of lack of supply raising prices. Even a child can comprehend this.
      
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      February 17, 2021 10:53am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Simon, your examples are classisms supply/demand examples. They are not examples of Giffen goods.
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:02pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        ack *classic skewered by autocorrect again.
        
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        February 17, 2021 12:02pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    It’s the thought process
    1. The job belongs to the employee, not employer
    2. A minimum wage is somehow linked to the employees ability to live a lifestyle and not to the value of the job done.
    3. a lack of understanding that it puts upward pressure on all wages but compresses the value of jobs at the top end..ie Drs don’t get paid significantly more than the ward cleaners. (very communist)
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:41am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That job was passed over to the Arbitration and they caused a great deal of trouble: wages went up so the cost of living increased. Oops another pay rise was needed to stay still.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:43am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Labour is seldom a variable input into a produced item or even something like a restaurant. Per/unit labour is frequently a constant.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:46am
- artemisia
  
  Back in the day, The Treasury said that there are two main beneficiaries of the ‘living wage’ – young single workers and Government revenue. The latter helped along by reduction in income-related government transfers.
  
  So we taxpayers should be happy to see the ‘living wage’ implemented as not only does it increase revenue but it also requires workers to step up personal responsibility.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:09am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    How many other times have Treasury been this WRONG?
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:42am
- Swifty
  
  I will never understand the logic of the left which says it is better to have the young or unskilled stagnating at home or walking the streets with a minimum wage at $20/hr – than it is to have them working at $15/hr.
  
  And in these times where we have an abundance of labour compared to the demand the notion that a government dictates an increase to the cost of labour right now is just lunacy.
  
  But hey, it shows that they’re ‘doing something’ even though what they are doing is counter-productive if you took the time to think about it.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:18am
Happychappy

This caring and kindness has gone to far and is just another tool of the Prime Ministers ego trip, so let’s face it if Jacinda Ardern had been in Scott Morrison job she would have done the exact same without fluttering a eyebrow or throwing her toys out of the cot.
This is Jacinda Ardern trying to create another problem to suck the air out of the latest Covid-19 news before she makes the decision on keeping the alert process in place or lifting it , so she will stop at nothing to have the media creating divisions.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300231947/covid19-government-to-make-alert-level-decision-after-possible-false-alarm-lockdown
This is about Jacinda Ardern not about a terrorist that Australia have a right to strip her Citizenship.
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February 17, 2021 8:00am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, Cindy has been ill advised by her Foreign Minister. Mahuta should know that Aust automatically revokes Aust Passports for dual passport holders if/when the alleged offender stuffs up. This dumb bint’s Aust Passport was revoked in 2019 FFS.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:54am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You are right, Mahuta should have known but, a penny to a pinch of poo, she didn’t and her arrogance would not have allowed her to ask.
    
    Mahuta is a disgrace to the office in keeping with the cuck that are her fellow office holders.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:56am
  - Sacha
    
    But think of the Children !!!!!! The PM is caught – she is the Minister for Children or some such sentimental title. If she doesn’t bring the children home she will be open to derision whenever she makes any comment about child welfare in the future.
    How about sending them to the land of their reported fathers, Sweden?
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:57am
- Grant
  
  If that story linked to is true, keeping in mind that it’s from Stuff, then Ardern and St. Ashley should resign.
  I am aware of at least one high profile Auckland business that will be issuing redundancy notices as a result of this lockdown.
  It is simply outrageous that she doesn’t have to pay for her mistakes despite the human consequences of them.
  G
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:57am
- RW Capitalist
  
  On her assumption that under international law, you can’t make a person “stateless”.
  Bullshit
  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/518120/David_Anderson_QC_-_CITIZENSHIP_REMOVAL__web_.pdf
  The UK did it.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:12am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I believe the case referred to is a woman who had Pakistani citizenship which allowed the UK to remove her UK citizenship after she moved to the UK but retained her Pakistani citizenship.
    
    If this woman is indeed a refugee to New Zealand, I believe that we would have the right to revoke her citizenship here allowing her to return to her ‘home’
    
    The way to be successful in life is to learn to recognise opportunities than come your way. In this woman’s case, she missed the success offered in Australia and New Zealand and may now face survival in whatever Shitistan she fled from
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:02am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “If this woman is indeed a refugee to New Zealand, I believe that we would have the right to revoke her citizenship here allowing her to return to her ‘home’”
      
      No. She is a New Zealand citizen. As she now has ONLY New Zealand citizenship there is no lawful way for the New Zealand Government to revoke her citizenship.
      
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      February 17, 2021 11:12am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Bro – She had a “constructive call” with ScoMo. So that is enough for Sheeple to feel easy. Move on will ya?
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:46am
  - Bob
    
    Probably had a lesson in home truths.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:16am
- Piniwi
  
  Right Happy as the PTPM made the Aljazeera News for the second consecutive night with her angry face and waving hands. Interesting also to hear from an Oz correspondent that Oz citizenship was actually stripped 2 months ago. Where was the PTPM then? Or did they not need a distraction then?
  
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  February 17, 2021 3:19pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Her Aust citizenship was revoked in 2019. Cindy already knew this before she spat her dummy and embarked on a rant session.
    
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    February 17, 2021 3:59pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X23v5_K7cXk
  
  PSST Jacinda…Scott sent you a musical reply to your request.
  
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  February 17, 2021 4:02pm
I remember when

Is Auckland finally divorcing itself from the rest of NZ:
business.govt.nz
While everyone was arguing about covid lockdown has the Government made Auckland a separate country.
‘If you or your employees need to cross Auckland’s Alert Level 3 Boundary for work during Alert Level 3 you will need travel documents. You can register for these online.’
Comrade!
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February 17, 2021 8:08am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Q: Do all those companies that moved their head offices and operations to Auckland, feel silly yet?
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:13am
- NoFax
  
  I never thought I would see the day that we would need “papers” to travel through the country.
  
  Beware of men and women with clipboards and a little bit of power.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:11am
- alloytoo
  
  A domestic passport ……
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:16am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Just wait until we all need an “Immunity Passport” to go shopping, go to a restaurant, or even have a job. Yes, the Government will get to decide who is and who isn’t a member of society. Given that it will be “optional,” they won’t hold us down and jab the experimental vaccine into us, it’s just that if you don’t get the jab, you are then deemed a social outcast.
  
  Start joining the dots and recognising the trajectory we are on and commit to resisting. People had better start internalising this concept now, so that when it inevitably happens the colour won’t drain from their faces and panic set in.
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:55am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and in Florida
  https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/883/045/original/b673cd1f7ff25c0b.jpg
  
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  February 17, 2021 4:03pm
JibberJabber

Turn off your brain and start listening cos’,

By 2030 you’ll own nothing and be happy about it! These are the words of Klaus Schwab, head of the world economic forum. It’s part of his plan for the great reset. In this video you’ll learn why you’ll be so happy owning nothing. And also why they’ll be even happier because they own everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEQcyIGH_vQ
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February 17, 2021 8:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The train has left the station:
  https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-02-14-germany-ratifies-agenda-id2020-bill-gates-vaccination.html
  
  COVID is viewed as an excuse to bring in the Chinese like social score controls. Elon Musk is already demonstrating the implant technology and Wireless 5G can read the jellyfish code vaccine implants.
  
  Hasn’t it come quick!
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:01am
  - SB2
    
    KevO’Brien, borderline anti-vax conspiracy theories.
    
    Natural News ??
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:51am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      When one only scans the messenger it says a lot about their inability to deal with the message.
      Karl Schwab has announced he wants transhumans–that means chipped. Elon Musk is actually demoing them.
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:42pm
  - redeye
    
    I do not understand why anyone listens to Gates. Sure he was a good businessman but he is no visionary.
    He purchased Microsoft’s original operating system (DOS) from someone else when IBM came calling. The first GUI that was the basis for the original Windows was developed in the XEROX labs.
    His only skill was to be opportunistic.
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:58am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Gates is an extraordinary visionary–him in one world and you in another owned and controlled by him.
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:44pm
      - SB2
        
        A very untruthful claim backed up by nil evidence and stoked by your paranoia.
        
        Next time try Google under Bill Gates conspiracy theories.
        
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        February 17, 2021 4:18pm
- NoFax
  
  When I see him and Bill Gates and co own nothing then I might follow until then just F off.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:11am
Frank the tank

You know the Blairite’s on the nose to remove the lockdown when Shaun “what’s in for me, my math’s suck” Hendry is saying it would make sense to ease levels.

Also how the fuck did Mum and Daughter get the WuFlu? Another case of immaculate conception just like the frozen chicken wings fiasco?
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February 17, 2021 8:08am
- BAM
  
  Did they even have COVID?
  Be very easy to just randomly pick a person who’s had a covid test and say, you’ve got COVID.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:43am
  - SB2
    
    BAM, oh is this your take on Covid is harmless ( sniffles ) conspiracy theory?
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:53am
- kowtow
  
  “Virulent” UK strain that kills thousands with one look , ain’t that virulent , innit.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:55am
- Bobba Fret
  
  If Shaun Hendy is saying ease levels then it must be a false alarm surely.
  Sweden has a population of 10.23 million and basically let Covid run rampant and have had 12,428 deaths. That is 0.12% of population.
  NZ has 5 million people and he predicted 80,000 deaths, that is 1.6% of the population!!!!
  If we let Covid “run wild” my model says we would have around 6,000 deaths.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:18am
  - Scott
    
    Sweden did have social distancing. What they failed to do and they admit this themselves, was to protect the rest homes. If they had done that the death toll would have been much less.
    The fact remains at some point we will have to open up. Covid is not going away. One jab will not protect everyone from every variant. Sooner or later we will have to learn to live with covid.
    In the meantime we are spending billions of dollars and enduring the rise of socialist state control which is going to be very damaging to the future of this country.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:10am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The vaccines require two shots. Ideally 4 weeks apart.
      
      What evidence can you cite that the vaccines won’t work for all variants?
      
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      February 17, 2021 11:54am
      - Pharmachick
        
        Sorry Benedict, the Astra Vaccine does not work for the SA variant. Indeed, SA is giving away their Astra vaccine to other countries that have the original strains.
        https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210208/astrazeneca-vaccine-doesnt-stop-south-african-strain
        
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        February 17, 2021 12:59pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Heard it somewhere today that Israel is reporting Pfizer is giving 90% protection.
        
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        February 17, 2021 8:16pm
  - NoFax
    
    Shaun Hendy reminds me of disco Stu from the Simpsons. He tried to convince Homer to invest in disco music as it grew 400% in 1976 – “if these trends continue…”
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:13am
mandk

Jacinda had Scott Morrison quaking in his boots when he told her had rescinded the Aus/NZ terrorist’s passport.

She went all Violet Elizabeth Bott on him, and said: “I’ll thcream and thcream until I’m thick”
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February 17, 2021 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  She got wot she wanted ;
  
  Top billing on BBC World “news” .
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:56am
- lifesgood
  
  She doesn’t need to scream to be thick.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:11am
  - sooty
    
    But does she need to be thick to scream?
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:46am
Yvette

Why is Ardern acting in a way that “abdicates responsibility” in New Zealand’s relationship with Australia, when Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta should be dealing with the probable deportation back here of the Turkey detained ISIS “terrorist” and her two children, to be dealt with as our terrorist provisions dictate?

Is it a perceived conflict with Ardern’s international image and why should it negatively effect that if handled properly.

Why exactly is Ardern making an international incident out of what could simply be a Foreign Affairs operational matter?
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February 17, 2021 8:12am
- cmm
  
  Do I really have to answer that for you?
  
  #CinD4UN!
  
  This will be scoring her points on the UN-rank-o-meter.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:41am
  - edhunter
    
    Everyone here is hoping and praying she wants to follow in Aunty Helen’s shoes and a take a job at the UN, what if she doesn’t?
    What if she’s quite happy staying here playing Sheperdess to her flock of 5 million, I mean JK could’ve, should’ve stayed on to win a 4th term, imagine the Ewetopian wonderland that could arise if JA decides to stay.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:07am
    - Paulus
      
      What makes you think that she will get any job at the UN. She is no Helen Clark who has brains, and the UN would not allow the New Zealand media to report on her daily – even for $55 million.
      UN in Angola will find her a job possibly.
      She has realised that to remain the top large fish with no opposition – or expectation from her own Party, in the pond like New Zealand, than a very small fish at the UN, remains preferable.
      
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      February 17, 2021 1:39pm
      - cmm
        
        “They” don’t need a brain. “They” don’t need a capable person.
        
        All “they” need is a puppet on some strings that “they” can pull and will enchant the populace.
        
        Cindy’s got it in spades.
        
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        February 17, 2021 3:39pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  International rules:
  PM-PM,
  Foreign Minister-Foreign Minister.
  
  Can’t have less ranked dealing with higher.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:04am
- all true
  
  We have Cindy full of kindness and hugginess and we have a Foreign Minister which is specialised in hiding, I am resting my case.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:53am
- kloyd0306
  
  ….and all the while I was led to believe that Princess Frowny-face wants us all to be kind.
  If she believes her own words, shouldn’t she be welcoming the terrorist with open arms?
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:57am
- Bob
  
  Possibly Mahuta doesn’t realise that Australia is our big brother neighbour across the Tasman.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:18am
- Master Mariner
  
  Its a very dangerous slippery slope with not knowing how things are going to pan out.
  
  My thoughts as well Yvette, Why piss Oz off as I believe there will be a lot of bridges to repair down the track.
  NZ foreign policy is a shambles
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:24pm
Frank the tank

Sooo we remain quiet over more than a million people stuck in ethnic concentration camps yet 1 terrorist get’s their Australian citizenship removed and the Blairite has a temper tantrum in front of her feckless 4th estate cheerleaders.

Perhaps she should taken Danger Damien’s advice and show some “respect”.
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February 17, 2021 8:18am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Please see Toxic Tova’s report on how single handedly Cindy defused the situation by having a late night call with ScoMo. Isn’t Cindy wonderful?
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I am surprised he still takes her calls.
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:13am
  - Spring Bank Westie
    
    Tova’s even starting to talk like the PTPM now, she used the word “bin” several times on her report on the AM Show this morning.
    
    How Duncan Garner can believe that Cindy took an aggressive position against ScoMo I don’t know, she snarled pompously to the press gallery, but more likely gave ScoMo a “good listening to” in the late night phonecall.
    
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    February 17, 2021 12:28pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Scotty from marketing probably told her a few ‘home truths’ about Aotearoans in Australia. Watch the Blairite STFU now.
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:56pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    She’s become an international Do-Nothing, all criticism pest.
    
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    February 17, 2021 12:34pm
Happychappy

Maori- specific COVID-19 vaccine plan to account for increased risk – Hipkins.
When will the Government, Maori Party and anyone else involved stop causing animosity and disenchantment with there idiotic and racist decisions that is driving a wedge between Maori and Europeans.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/436536/maori-specific-covid-19-vaccine-plan-to-account-for-increased-risk-hipkins
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February 17, 2021 8:18am
- Clyde
  
  Yesterday in Question Time the woman from the East Polynesian Party asked Hipkins what plans he had for East Polynesian priorities to the vaccine since they were “most vulnerable”. The response was acceptance that vaccines would be prioritised in part on racial grounds. No different from law, education, housing etc etc. Separatism (call it apartheid if you like) is alive and thriving in NZ.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Are they going to have a special brown variety too or one for each tribe?
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:05am
- amospicton
  
  Anyone else think it’s outrageous to prioritize one race over another for vaccination when there’s no evidence that the race is predisposed to be more vulnerable other than via lifestyle choices? How will this run politically?
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:42am
Maggie Pie

ARDERN EXPLODES! ANGRIEST THEY’VE EVER SEEN HER…

Well sorry hun. You snooze. You lose.

https://twitter.com/GWDwealth/status/1361527709906599937
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February 17, 2021 8:20am
- TWEEDSE
  
  Perhaps we could develope a tilty head angle meter to decide how “angry” our glorious leader is. I am guess anything past 45 degrees and we need to be concerned.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:26am
  - sooty
    
    Would a dribble meter work?
    What about a spitometer?
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:49am
- cmm
  
  Anger is a very desirable trait in her profession.
  
  When a chip wrapper gets angry she thumps the basket down harder and that gets rid of more fat.
  Better for the shop (they save more fat) and better for the punter too (less greasy chips).
  
  I can’t see what the Aussies are fussing about.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:28am
- JibberJabber
  
  You’d think she’d be happy, she’s just got to increase New Zealands out of control child poverty stats by + 2( you know, the very reason she got into politics in the first place and now she is where she can make a difference, she ignores the issue cos’ it’s all so hard).
  Also, it helps to have a compliant media on your side to keep it off the front page whilst you are in charge.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:31am
- mandk
  
  I suggest an air strike against Canberra, using our fighter ….
  
  No, wait.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:04am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  The Anzac alliance looks like being erased from the earth forever.
  An Anzac leader defends a terriost that wished and wanted harm to fall upon any Anzac soldier.
  Just think about this, any Anzac person.
  The real irony Turkey, the former enemy protects the woke Anzacs from their own stupidity.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:11am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner was just saying it will be interesting to see what Damien O’Connor has to say when he wades in with his advice to ScoMo.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:20am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Completing the job, Helen Clark started.
    This relationship demise started when
    Hipkins interfered in Aussie politics (on behalf of the Aussie labor party), funny that was about citizenship too.
    Jacinda banging on about Manis Island detainees, like a little girl badgering her parents about an ice cream after the answer was NO.
    Her mishandling of the deportation of NZers with criminal records.
    She continues to fail in the relationship, because she refuses to accept that Australia is a foreign and sovereign nation. Who acts in the interests of Australia. CER is a VERY special arrangement that gives both our citizens rights they don’t have anywhere else.
    Suggestion
    Stop behaving like a spoiled child and throwing tantrums.
    Start behaving like a sovereign nation.
    Stop demanding things and start negotiating.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:25am
    - Bob
      
      Adern can’t have many toys left in the cot by now, surely!; or does ‘chippy’ replace them each night.
      
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      February 17, 2021 11:43am
- lilman
  
  Hell whats she angry about?
  Its not like anybody was accused of RAPE.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:15am
- tf78
  
  Maggie, I liked the kid lying on the ground having a tanty.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:35am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    that what caught my attention in the first place as well 😀
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:40am
- G152
  
  It’s an act and a not very good one.
  And pissing off the Aussies?
  As if they care
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:42am
I remember when

If the Government enforce the standards for rental house buildings.
Decide the way rental costs can be advertised.
Decide what alterations tenants can make to rental properties.
Is it a Government franchise.
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February 17, 2021 8:21am
krazykiwi

By summer 2020, global hotspots such as New York City and Bergamo had reached antibody seroprevalence levels of approximately 25%. Capital cities such as Madrid, London and Stockholm were around 15%. Large parts of Europe and the US, however, were still below 5%. Above about 30%, a significant slowdown of the infection process has been observed. [Reference]

I expect New Zealand’s seroprevalence levels would be at the bottom of the table as a result of Ardern pursuing a scientifically, and historically unsupported eradication strategy.
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February 17, 2021 8:27am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  So NZ should follow crazy’s advice rather than the advice of every epidemiologist and public heath expert in NZ.
  Naturally New York has a prevalence level of 25%. They have also had well over 2,000 people per million die of covid.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:12am
  - krazykiwi
    
    the advice of every epidemiologist and public heath expert in NZ
    
    Every, Wayne? More like those hand-picked for their willingness to perpetuate the fear porn.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:27am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Yes, literally all of them!
      
      For the same reason why virtually every Western government have used lockdowns to one extent or another. They have relied on experts with actual qualifications in public heath and epidemiology.
      
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      February 17, 2021 10:12am
      - NoFax
        
        Can you point to the scientific papers that prove lockdowns work – I have a few that show they don’t.
        
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        February 17, 2021 10:15am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Like Fortran Ferguson.
        
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        February 17, 2021 10:51am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Wayne, I’m not letting you off the hook with that nonsense about ‘experts’. The so-called expert who was arguably the primary source of advice that led to lockdowns was Neil Ferguson. Here are the facts about his prior work:
        
        When it comes to wildly inaccurate predictions Prof. Ferguson’s work at Imperial College has a long and distinguished history. In 2002, he said that 50,000 people in the UK would die from “mad cow disease”, to date less than 200 have passed away; he predicted 200 million global deaths from the H5N1 bird flu. Currently it is a suspected factor in the deaths of 455 people world wide; in 2009 he told the UK Government that 65,000 could die from swine flu in the UK and worked with the World Health Organisation to predict millions of deaths from the H1N1 global flu pandemic.
        
        Suspected resultant UK deaths from swine flu were estimated to be 457 and the global total showed 18,500 laboratory-confirmed deaths from the H1N1 pandemic. The U.S. Center For Disease Control (CDC) claim there were many more, though their estimate varies between 150,000 and 500,000.
        
        If that’s not enough, how about this:
        
        “We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” — Dr. David Nabarro
        
        Need more?
        
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        February 17, 2021 11:43am
      - amospicton
        
        I wonder whether epidemiologists are the people we should be taking advice from. After all their career/training/obsession/fetish is with epidemics, and here’s the chance at the spotlight. Little wonder really they’d be inclined to over-egg it. Never ask a barber if you need a haircut!
        
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        February 17, 2021 11:47am
      - cmm
        
        Having actually looked into some of the reports and methods fairly thoroughly, I am pretty sure our 80,000-will-die “Centre of Excellence” people did little more than re-run Ferguson’s models with a few NZ tweaks.
        
        There are plenty experts of all stripes that did not agree. There’s that bloke from Auckland Uni that got airbrushed out of existence.
        
        Hendy (a physicist) was quoted as an expert and his advice was accepted over dissenting advice from Otago (people who were more expert).
        
        Anyone who thinks all the experts agree on anything is naive in the extreme. “Science” doesn’t really work like that. Every different expert will have a different set of criteria that they think are important and will have a different take on what to do/not do.
        
        My cardiologist was almost chewing his arm off about the damage that the lockdowns did to his patients.
        
        Would you call Fauci and expert?Do you still call him an expert if he changes his mind about masks about as often as I change underpants?
        
        If so, what do you take as his expert advice? What he said yesterday or what he said today? Or are you going to wait for him to say something different tomorrow?
        
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        February 17, 2021 3:53pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Anyone who thinks all the experts agree on anything is naive in the extreme
        
        We’re talking about Wayne Mapp, retired National MP and former Cabinet Minister. Yes – he really does think like this. Yes, he really does think he’s smarter than the rest of us. Yes, I effectively voted for him for almost two decades.
        
        And yes, we really are that fucked.
        
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        February 17, 2021 10:10pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    So NZ should follow crazy’s advice
    
    Um, no. Where did I say that? My hope in researching and commenting is the a few people will open their eyes to the scam that’s being played out after doing their own research. You? Well I leave you to get your ‘truth’ from the MSM and other Great Reset proponents.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:31am
    - SB2
      
      [Deleted and a warning – any more trolling and abuse & it will be another (longer) ban. Mod.]
      
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      February 17, 2021 10:59am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      How noble KK, was that why for weeks you got the first post on KB breathlessly explaining about the advantages of herd immunity and not for a second apprehending that the virus changes and changes to survive? Well, that didn’t work and neither did your various election predictions. Saving the world must be so tough some days.
      
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      February 17, 2021 7:59pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    But Andrew Cuomo is such a great guy! Surely his incompetence is out weighed by his being a Democrat.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:00am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Wayne, your own Covid figures always undermine the very argument you advance:
    
    2,000 deaths per 1,000,000 in New York is only 0.2%. And this assumes that Covid was the operative cause of death in these cases, which is speculative at best.
    
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    February 17, 2021 12:06pm
    - Paulus
      
      Does the deaths per million in New York include deaths by such as Flu, Car accidents and Drugs like much of the US figures include.
      Great to hear today that the Covid figures have dropped dramatically actually since the day that Biden became President.
      
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      February 17, 2021 1:48pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Meanwhile, Texans freeze to death. Beijing Biden the great saviour – NOT!
        
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        February 17, 2021 2:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Having a president who is popular must be cheering people up so much that more are recovering from Covid.
        
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        February 17, 2021 3:19pm
      - tf78
        
        Paulus – like they say “how convenient” yet not unpredictable.
        
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        February 17, 2021 6:28pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Can’t be f’d finding it now but the consensus is that immunity needs to be far higher to be effective. And anyway Sweden, your heroes, bailed out.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:22pm
New Zealander

It’s incredible that our Prime Minister thinks having a big whinge is great diplomacy.

Ardern’s weak stance against Australia sending NZ-born but Aussie-raised gang members back to New Zealand means Morrison knows he can walk all over her when it comes to things like this.

Rightly, Australia don’t want to know anything about this terrorist. New Zealand should say she can rot in a Turkish prison for all we care. Her kids can become refugees, we don’t owe them anything.
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February 17, 2021 8:28am
- Hard Cheese
  
  NZ have signed up to international agreements and are well aware of Australia’s and their own citizenship laws. The rules are the rules – yet somehow she expects every single circumstance to turn out in NZ’s favour. This time it hasn’t, she’s appealing to an ultimately irrelevant moral argument and having a giant tanty at the same time.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:53am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Rules are Rules.
    Nope,
    Rules for us and rules for them. Thats how this Government rolls.
    MIQ for Wiggles and No MIQ voucher for me.
    Tell me they are the rules.
    
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    February 17, 2021 2:49pm
- kowtow
  
  Her PR spinsters must be in a conundrum.
  
  Be seen to be tough so the Teddy bear Kindness voters can be impressed as opposed to the voters who value our relationship with our closest ally and friend Oz and the law and order folk who aren’t overly enamoured by terrorism ……
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:01am
- New Zealander
  
  Actually, if her kids travelled on Australian passports, guess who International Courts are most likely to say needs to take responsibility for these children?
  
  Ardern should call Morrison’s bluff and revoke citizenship for these people too.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:02am
  - RalphT
    
    Except that I suspect the children were born in Syria and probably don’t have passports. If the fathers are the two Swedish husbands does the Swedish government have some responsibility for the children?
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:23am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      If the 2 fathers had Swedish citizenship, then the children are entitled to Swedish citizenship.
      
      But the 2 fathers may have just been migrants to Sweden and may not have applied for citizenship.
      
      https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Private-individuals/Becoming-a-Swedish-citizen.html
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:02pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I think you will find the kids don’t have passports. They were possibly born in the midst of a battle in Syria and the Passport Office was closed for some religious occasion. //
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:38am
  - tf78
    
    NZ – weren’t the kids born in Syria – they are therefore Syrian I would have thought.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:38am
    - NoFax
      
      I doubt Syria will grant citizenship to the children of people who were there to overthrow the government and set-up the Caliphate. We don’t automatically grant citizenship to kids who were born here – their parents have to be legally here in the first place and not just a tourist.
      
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      February 17, 2021 10:17am
      - Paulus
        
        As Cindy has had little overseas publicity I expect that she will graciously grant entry to this woman and her Children.
        Like Green Party Bochanze, and other overstayers who are still here.
        Arrival date will coincide with say Matariki Day I expect with grand fanfare.
        
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        February 17, 2021 1:52pm
    - MCos
      
      If two aliens have a kid in in NZ that child is not an NZ citizen. Syria may have a similar rule.
      If a Kiwi has a child offshore they can apply for NZ citizenship. I know plenty of people who have done that.
      I would suggest the Turks won’t care too much about the subtleties and deport the three of them here in the not too distant future.
      They should have gone to Oz where at least there is family support, but there we are. Morrison calculated that that’s not a vote winner.
      
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      February 17, 2021 11:57am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Great idea, and failing that, we should take up the option of becoming a state of Australia, that way they get her back and we get the bonus of making 98% of the beehive redundant.
    
    Win-win, I say.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:51am
Greg Ettridge

Why do the sheep rush to the supermarket in lockdown?
Great question, early in this hyper ventilated worldwide event, a sheeple tried to get a refund on 186 packets of bog roll.
He got a big no and told to stick it where the sun don’t shine.
The shock and awe fear line is alive and well.
Remind me of when the last COVID death was?
Remind me how many tax paying enterprises have been trashed?
Can you imagine the daily diatribe starting with our last death was mid September and I am struggling to give you a percentage for positive infections as it statically almost doesn’t exist.
Let’s run through the bankruptcies for the day….
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February 17, 2021 8:29am
- krazykiwi
  
  Remind me when the last COVID death was
  
  Too far back to remember. Meanwhile freedom, liberty and democracy are dying a death by a thousand diktats.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:34am
  - cmm
    
    C’mon kk. Stop being a curmudgeon. You know perfectly well we’re just one or two more laws away from utopia.
    
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    February 17, 2021 8:39am
  - kowtow
    
    The latest piece by Jonathan Sumption in the UK Daily Telegraph , 16 Feb is excellent . Behind a paywall .
    
    Basically the biggest casualty of this scamdemic will be liberal democracy.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:04am
  - HeatherW
    
    Last COVID-19 death (official) in NZ was 13th Feb 2021. Was taken to hospital from MIQ for other medical reasons but tested positive for C19 whilst there. Added to official numbers yesterday.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:02am
    - Bob
      
      So not actually a Covid death.. a death with complications.
      
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      February 17, 2021 11:48am
  - SB2
    
    [Deleted – trolling. Mod.]
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:07am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Well Sheeple are happy. In the end that is all it matters. Aunty Julie across the fence is happy to be in lockdown “as long as it is necessary because lives matter and Jacindar is saving us from this evil virus”. Go figure.
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:27am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Last week. Added to the statistics Monday or Tuesday according to Ashley Bloomfield. Bet you love his job? You’ve been trying to get it since last March.
    
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    February 17, 2021 8:09pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Heh, every death is a Covid death, whether you have Covid or don’t.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:34am
- cmm
  
  The panic is not about deaths.
  
  The panic is about the panic, so it becomes self feeding. I buy 100 bog rolls because I’m worried that everyone else will but 100 bog rolls and I won’t be able to get any.
  
  Logistics are everything in the modern world and all the lock downs and nonsense stuff up the supply chains.
  
  The reason there are bodies stored in chillers in NYC is not because there are suddenly thousands of extra deaths but because the normal body-handling supply chain has been compromised.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:37am
- kloyd0306
  
  Don’t you know that there is no difference between cases and deaths?
  
  You must now be banished to woke school, you know, the same school that most of the media have been brainwashed by.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:08am
Swifty

The Australian Foreign Minister wades in on current events:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl4ie3TaPGg
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February 17, 2021 8:32am
hullkiwi

Well done Cindy and Ashley, I hope you are proud of your vaccine roll out marketing plan.

3 cases in the community of the most virulent strain of the China flu, but new cases found.

Meanwhile, life in the community is being cancelled, there are road blocks controlling people, while people are still moving around in shops without masks and security staff are not bothering to police anything much.

The messages being given are contradictory, and all this to make us fear China flu, and to be grateful to line up for a vaccine, that even the Immunisation Authority was questioning yesterday would be successful against the UK strain of China flu.

You figure?

Last October, a large percentage of the population fell for Cindy’s brand of kindness, I for my part, am tired of the lies and propaganda!
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February 17, 2021 8:41am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  You may be tired, but 53% of Sheeple are not. Cindy marches on.
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:28am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Don’t we know it!
    
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    February 17, 2021 12:34pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Cindy marches on to the Great Reset as her and her team are incompetent.
    She will eventually discover that she is only a little cog in the NWO Schwab game plan. Her job is to bring her followers into nothingness, serfs for the new Feudalists. She will discover later her reward will be zilch–she may get a raupo whare at Auckland Island if she’s lucky.
    
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    February 17, 2021 12:55pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum was just saying, “Back in her day, that girl who ran off from Australia to join ISIS, would be what they called a Plaster Caster”
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February 17, 2021 8:43am
I remember when

Great to see Jacinda take on the care of the Taliban refugee.
Incidentally, the children are either Australian or Stateless.
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February 17, 2021 8:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Incidentally, the children are either Australian or Stateless
  
  Nope..
  
  As Sahayra Aden was a legal NZ citizen at the time of their birth, they are NZ citizens (at least).
  They may also be Swedish citizens.
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:24am
  - cmm
    
    “they are NZ citizens” or “they are entitled to NZ citizenship”. Those are not the same.
    
    Big difference in how they will be treated by the courts.
    
    For some countries you are automatically a citizen if you meet certain criteria of descent. You don’t even apply you are automagically a citizen whether you like it or not. For others (incl NZ) it just allows to to apply for citizenship.
    
    https://www.govt.nz/browse/passports-citizenship-and-identity/nz-citizenship/requirements-for-nz-citizenship/
    
    “You are not officially a citizen until you have registered.”
    
    https://www.govt.nz/browse/passports-citizenship-and-identity/nz-citizenship/register-as-a-citizen-by-descent-and-get-a-passport/
    
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    February 17, 2021 4:12pm
krazykiwi

Rodney Hide is onto it again:

Let me give just one example: back in April Public Health Professor Nick Wilson said, “the horrific scenes of Covid-19 mass graves in New York were ‘quite possible’ here if the virus was to get out of control”. The image conjured was of plague pits in Central Park.

To add to the mirth I emailed the good Professor seeking evidence on his New York plague pits. He replied pointing me to some tosh written in the Guardian. He said look, it’s an “enormous pit” with coffins going into it.

I took delight sending him a 2016 New York Times article telling the story of Hart Island where prisoners for over 150 years have been burying the city’s indigent. It’s not a mass grave. It’s a cemetery.
:::
It’s a perfect circle. Panic people with scary scenarios. Implement crazed policy. Scary scenarios don’t eventuate. That proves crazed policies work.
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February 17, 2021 8:46am
Bobba Fret

So last time it was the very catchy South African strain and the husband didn’t even catch it from his wife!
This time its the even worse UK strain and again, looks like no one else infected (or if they are, it is so mild they don’t realise they have it).
And a city of over a million people has been locked down due to the two/three people.
Are these new strains really that bad or have we just been lucky?
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February 17, 2021 9:07am
- PeeJay
  
  Odd isn’t it Bobba?
  I don’t hold much truck with the conspiracy nutters (I know someone close who died of it – not with it – so I can assure you it’s very real and very awful) but this is definitely odd. Two of the most virulent strains and…….nothing?
  Not saying there is something fishy going on, and tend to think it’s more luck than anything, but it would be interesting to have someone explain why the strains that are causing such a crisis overseas barely cause a whimper here. Might be as simple as a combination of summer, naturally high UV levels, lower population density etc, but would be great if there was a detailed and rational investigation – could avoid a future over-reaction when/if it gets through again.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:50am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Seems like a couple of Papatoetoe students have caught it off the original student.
  
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  February 17, 2021 1:21pm
- Paulus
  
  Two more Papatoetoe High connection.
  All change Cindy.
  
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  February 17, 2021 1:56pm
- cmm
  
  There was some study saying that even if you lived in the same family house as an infected person you chance of also getting infected was less than 20%.
  
  The UK and SA strains are supposed to be 50% or so more infectious, so make that 30% for them.
  
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  February 17, 2021 4:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why hasn’t NZAote…..sent a rescue plane to Turkey to bring back our lost sheep and her 2 little lambs?

Isn’t that what a good shepherd/kind leader would do?
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February 17, 2021 9:11am
- sooty
  
  Because the only suitable plane the airforce has is cindys private jet and it’s her’s to do whatwever she likes! She may be called to the UN or need a holiday in the sun, so it will not be used!
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:02am
- SB2
  
  MW, hopefully she will when Scott Morrison does the decent thing amd considers the well being of the children both of whom were raised in Australia.
  
  There are basic humanitarian issues at stake here would you not agree?
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:11am
  - Swifty
    
    The press has reported widely that the kids have never stepped foot in Oz – born and raised in Syria.
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:31am
  - Ruahine
    
    SB2. Don’t fret about the children. I am sure that there are many other countries that cherish human rights and freedoms will offer them homes as refugees. Places like Afghanistan, Algeria, Libya,
    Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia.
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:32am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yeah, Im sure she heard all the glorious stories from her Boss “The Middle east Peace envoy” whilst doing her OE in London.
      Very worldly this lot.
      
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      February 17, 2021 2:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, SB2
    Her 3 children were born in Syria.
    
    Aden is a 26-year old New Zealander who migrated to Australia at the age of six. In 2014, she traveled to Syria to live under the Islamic State. While there, she married and had three children to two Swedish men. One of her children subsequently died of pneumonia in Syria. In 2020, the Australian Government stripped her of her Australian citizenship, leaving her as a New Zealand national. On 15 February 2021, she and her two surviving children (who both have New Zealand citizenship) were detained by Turkish authorities while crossing the border from Idlib
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brides_of_ISIL
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:45am
    - Bob
      
      ‘subsequently dies of pneumonia’ …..
      surely it must have been a Covid death, no one dies any other way these days, not even from old age.
      
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      February 17, 2021 11:52am
    - sooty
      
      How did the children become NZ citizerns, if they were born outside the country?
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:30pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        International conventions.
        
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        February 17, 2021 12:58pm
      - MCos
        
        By application if a parent is Kiwi.
        
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        February 17, 2021 1:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That’s NZ Law..
        
        https://www.govt.nz/check-your-eligibility-for-citizenship/#1-0
        
        press the Next button….and you’ll see that children born to a NZ citizen are NZ citizens by descent.
        
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        February 17, 2021 2:03pm
  - cmm
    
    Scott Morrison is following Australian law.
    
    They have laws that stripped her of her citizenship in 2020. They applied the law. It is not a matter of Facebook likes.
    
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    February 17, 2021 4:19pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Don’t joke about it Maggy, Ardern may do that if she thought it would push up her popularity in the world rankings.
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m not joking…
    The 2 children are NZ citizens and need to be cared for somehow if the mother is incarcerated in Turkey.
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:56am
    - sooty
      
      Why are they NZ citizens?
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        NZ Law…see my comment above
        
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        February 17, 2021 2:04pm
      - cmm
        
        Maggy I think you are wrong, but only slightly.
        
        If they were born outside of NZ to an NZ mother then they are not NZ citizens unless they have actually registered for NZ citizenship. It is not automatic.
        
        “You are not officially a citizen until you have registered.”
        https://www.govt.nz/browse/passports-citizenship-and-identity/nz-citizenship/register-as-a-citizen-by-descent-and-get-a-passport/
        
        Of course this could be expedited and Cindy (aka Taxpayer) might pick up the NZ$204.40 fee. Or chuck in two selfies and they can have free passports too.
        
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        February 17, 2021 4:23pm
    - MCos
      
      The mother has to apply for citizenship on their behalf. It’s not automatic.
      On the other hand if the fathers are Swedish and she has authentic marriage certificates they are Swedish.
      Of course they could be ‘lost’.
      
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      February 17, 2021 1:19pm
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I’m not sure they are NZ citizens…they have never been in NZ or Australia.
      
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      February 17, 2021 1:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Makes no difference….if one of their parents was a NZ citizen at the time of a child’s birth then the child is a NZer.
        
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        February 17, 2021 2:06pm
    - cmm
      
      I wonder what the small print is here.
      
      She was an NZ citizen then went to Oz and became a dual citizen.
      
      The kids were born in Oz to an Australian citizen. They are surely entitled to their Australian citizenship fair and square.
      
      Of course if #Cin4UN! adopts the mum, they will likely come live here.
      
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      February 17, 2021 2:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The children were born in Syria.
        The mother left Australia in 2014.
        
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        February 17, 2021 3:07pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        If the children were born while their mother still had Australian citizenship, are they now Australian citizens?
        
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        February 17, 2021 3:21pm
      - cmm
        
        mma: I don’t know for sure, but the Aussies probably have the same laws as here.
        
        It could end up down to a very careful reading of the law depending on the state of the mother’s citizenship at the time of applying for the child’s citizenship to be registered.
        
        eg. At the time of your birth was your parent an Australian Citizen vs Is your parent an Australian Citizen (at the time of registering).
        
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        February 17, 2021 4:27pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Sources, who wish to remain anonymous, are reporting…
“Buckingham Palace is ‘very nervous’ about Meghan and Harry’s explosive tell-all Oprah interview, which is set to lift the lid on Megxit”

(Actually, I would have thought the best way to protect your privacy, is NOT to give an interview to Oprah. Just saying.)
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February 17, 2021 9:16am
- Nickc2
  
  I think Harry’s Mrs has realised that she is not a real-life princess and and such there is no way she will ever be a real-life Queen so she has set about bringing down the House-of-Windsor.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:02am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I reckon the best thing would be for us to offer the throne of New Zealand to the Duke of Sussex once his granny passes on. The Duchess would enjoy being a queen, and it would be a boost for Godzone.
    
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    February 17, 2021 10:58am
    - rangitoto
      
      Not a good idea. I don’t want to fork out for a new bunch of Royals. We get the current lot for free except when they visit.
      
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      February 17, 2021 11:18am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Fair point, but I think there might be a countervailing economic benefit from the media exposure. And, with a resident royal family, we might get some more interesting scandals to gossip about.
        
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        February 17, 2021 11:58am
    - Nickc2
      
      I like your style. However, IMO we have too many young princesses in NZ already, most of them are sitting on parliamentary seats masquerading as Labour/Green/Maori MPs. On top of that, we also have some older princesses who can see their way to becoming a Queen (no, not those in funny clothes). but of the UN no less. Speaking of insanity, can Helen Clark serve the UN twice?
      
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      February 17, 2021 11:31am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Well, the thing about having our own royal family is that we could then also create a house of lords. Myself, I fancy becoming the Baron Mike of Moera, or the Earl of Eketahuna or Duke of Dargaville.
        
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        February 17, 2021 1:02pm
      - Nickc2
        
        mikenmildagain @1:02PM
        I want to be King (no, not far-king) and I want to pick my own Queen, none of these hairy armpit princesses I mentioned in the first post. If I can’t I’m, going to rack my cue and go home.
        
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        February 17, 2021 1:42pm
    - Bob
      
      you forget our own covid ‘princess, who doesn’t like to be upstaged.
      
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      February 17, 2021 11:53am
- fernglas
  
  If a carefully scripted chat between those two and a patsy celebrity host, who is probably on a percentage, turns out to be explosive, then my farts would flatten Hiroshima.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:30am
I remember when

KK@8.27am
Has drawn attention to one of the facts that is being overlooked in the hysteria.
Many of the countries that were praised in the first wave of covid appear to have simply been lucky and suffered more severely in second wave.
Poland, Hungary, Germany and Portugal being prime examples.
One of the interesting graphs on the Worldometer site is that of Begium.
It is one of the few to have lower deaths in the second wave and also a shorter second wave than other European countries.
As the leader in deaths per million it would seem to be one of the obvious research countries.
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February 17, 2021 9:16am
Rusty

Cindy was once the president of International socialist youth.

Says it all. Little ole NZ is going to become a socialist/commie state if we don’t watch it.
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February 17, 2021 9:25am
- Paulus
  
  Too late !
  Socialist/commie state already well underway.
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:00pm
Tomtoddy

Question: If the current three infected people have the more active British strain of Covid why are hundreds not showing up positive?

They have been in hundreds of places from Auckland to New Plymouth, been in close contact with dozens of others so why hasnt this deadly, highly contagious flu taken off?
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February 17, 2021 9:38am
- Cinematic
  
  Curious isn’t it? How will the panel of experts explain this strange phenomena?
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:14am
  - Ruahine
    
    No rational questions will be asked because no rational answers can be given. If someone among the gaggle of reporters asked such a question they will likely become a non-reporter very quickly. Welcome to the effect of all the paid for propaganda.
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:23am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Could be because there’s no definitive scientific evidence that the “new strain” is in fact more contagious or more deadly. There may be some new evidence, but the paper I’ve seen is based on modelling using simulated ACE receptors and the new spike protein sequences.
    
    It might be either, both, or neither, but spouting on about it as if it is definite is, so far, a step too far.
    
    Bit like masks, no one can point to any scientific studies that show a definitive advantage in the real world to mask wearing. There are some that show that in theory masks reduce the amount of virus expelled by infected people, studies that show that this translates into a reduction of spread are missing. And for those wanting to trot out the use of masks in surgery, preventing the transmission of BACTERIA into OPEN WOUNDS is a very different scenario, and even in that role masks are only minimally effective – better than nothing in that role.
    
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    February 17, 2021 12:16pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yes my thoughts exactly.
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:21am
Tomtoddy

Newsflash: Windmills killing hundreds in the US.

People are dying of cold across the USA as windmills they relied on to generate electricity are frozen stiff.

Gaia is satisfied. Sacrifices have been made.
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February 17, 2021 9:42am
- krazykiwi
  
  I expect Trump will be blamed
  
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  February 17, 2021 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why don’t they turn on the solar power plants then?
  https://realclimatescience.com/2021/02/civilization-hijacked/
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:01am
  - SB2
    
    MW, Tony Heller ( aka Steve Goddard ) has zero credibility with not only climate change denial but now Covid 19 Denial conspiracy theories,
    
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/30/1982023/-Longtime-Climate-Denier-Tony-Heller-Gets-YouTube-Ban-For-COVID-Denial
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      SB2
      so you reckon this photo of the Platte River solar power plant on a fine sunny day (at -10F) operating at 0 watts is a conspiracy jack-up?
      
      https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/EuR4CoYXcAMjgWq-1024×774.jpg
      
      Folks in Colorado must be thinking otherwise
      https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2021/02/15/why-platte-river-power-authority-issued-rare-call-conserve-energy/6751659002/
      
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      February 17, 2021 11:37am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Huh, getting a YouTube ban these days is a sign that he’s actually onto something. Any attempt to arrive at a conclusion not supporting the all important narrative must be suppressed !
      
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      February 17, 2021 12:18pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What an occupation: Official Fact Checker, a.k.a. Authoritarian Free Thought Denier.
      
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      February 17, 2021 1:05pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yep, people in Texas dying from cold due to a lack of Electricity and Natural Gas for their heating whilst their State is awash with the stuff.
  
  What’s our Green’s response to that? Condolences? No, didn’t think so.
  A change in policy for NZ? No didn’t think so.
  Effin wankers.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:15am
- virtualmark
  
  No.
  
  The problems are in *Texas*, not the US. And they’re largely to do with the way the Texan’s (a) have organised their electrical transmission grid and (b) aren’t geared up for snow.
  
  As an example … wind turbines are working just fine through this polar vortex storm in places like Illinois and Canada.
  
  See https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/02/texas-power-grid-crumples-under-the-cold/
  
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  February 17, 2021 1:53pm
tf78

How many Covid cases will come about from the long ferry trip?
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February 17, 2021 9:46am
- Cinematic
  
  It seems that this has been yet another incredibly expensive overreaction by the esteemed panel of experts.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:17am
Maggie Pie

Actually, I thought one of the girls from tennis raised a very good question…
“Would you really want Suhayra Aden’s kids at the same school that yours go to?”
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February 17, 2021 9:54am
- JibberJabber
  
  I’m sure they’d have an excellent recipe for authentic Hummus.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:03am
- Ruahine
  
  Not if I was a concerned Australian mother.
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:19am
- rockape
  
  I would maybe just ban then from the chemistry class.
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:29pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That. And playing soccer.
    
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    February 17, 2021 6:58pm
Jack5

Ardern bought off the newspapers with our tax money …

Labour’s pay-off for the $55 million bribe of New Zealand’s moribund print media is apparent already in support for Ardern.

For those who missed yesterday’s link to this excellent article in the Australian edition of the Spectator:

https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/02/new-zealand-is-being-transformed-but-not-in-a-good-way/
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February 17, 2021 9:59am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Well Sheeple are happy. In the end that is all it matters. Aunty Julie across the fence is happy to be in lockdown “as long as it is necessary because lives matter and Jacindar is saving us from this evil virus”. Go figure.
  
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  February 17, 2021 10:51am
  - SB2
    
    [Deleted – trolling. Mod.]
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:20am
rangitoto

Global warming hits Texas:

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxbusiness.com/foxbusiness.com/content/uploads/2021/02/1440/810/texas-fountain.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
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February 17, 2021 10:01am
- oldfella
  
  Stop it, Rangi, you’re promoting fake news with your intro line.
  It’s Climate Change. Okay?
  Global Warming is so… Al Gore.
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:11am
I remember when

Covid-19 in Switzerland:
On the 18th January the Government made working from home compulsory. Everyone who could work from home was required to do so.
This will stay in place until the end of February but could be extended.
In the first covid wave deaths peaked at 63.
From the 30 October to 1 February deaths in the second wave have consistently exceeded this total by up to threefold.
Despite the work from home requirement a new study has found little change in mobility. Mobility is much higher than in the first wave of the pandemic.
People have more time, which they are using to go outdoors or even into the mountains.
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February 17, 2021 10:26am
- Ed Snack
  
  Outdoor transmission of Covid is near non-existent. Being outdoors and exercising is probably the safest thing to do.
  
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  February 17, 2021 12:20pm
igm

Well said. Great how those who do not know what a GST return looks like and live off ratepayers\taxpayers have the audacity to tell us how we should be paying staff.
Best they have the balls to get out from their PSA protected bludges and put their theories into practice.
Over the years very few of these leeches have made the grade in commercial fields.
Wonder why!
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February 17, 2021 10:26am
Maggie Pie

I wonder if this Liberal Snowflake’s RANT will convince people to wear a mask? 😀

https://twitter.com/Ronnie62597744/status/1361749985495306240
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February 17, 2021 10:58am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, what do you think she self-identified as before she transitioned into a raving nutter?
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:17am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Good question gramps 😀
    Clicking on ‘replies’ certainly has a lot of interesting suggestions. LOL!
    
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    February 17, 2021 11:58am
- SB2
  
  Yes a bit of a raver in common with many Trump supporters and sundry.
  
  But again John Hopkins medical school provides sound advice on the vital importance wearing masks safeguarding against Covid19,
  
  https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/08/24/masks-protect-wearer-and-others/
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:26am
  - Ed Snack
    
    John Hopkins school is purely woks. If there’s evidence for the effectiveness of mask wearing, tell us about it. Go on, you are all in favour, why ? If it is so obvious, then you should have no trouble finding actual research, right ? And not theoretical “reduces viral load when breathed through by x%” – that’s not real world usage. Find a study on real mask wearing conditions.
    
    Balls in your court.
    
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    February 17, 2021 12:24pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      John Hopkins school is purely woks
      
      A university for Chinese cuisine?
      
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      February 17, 2021 1:03pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Not a lot of sympathetic comments in that feed.
  
  If people are so terrified because their life is in peril from Covid, and they must go out (perhaps for something greasy, based on her BMI) then they should take care of themselves as best they can and not expect other people to wear masks for example, when there is no legal compulsion.
  
  If someone has a health issue, then they should obtain or fabricate better protection.
  Even the pictures of folk with home made space helmets and wearing constructions to keep people 2m away come to mind.
  Not classy perhaps, but shows sincerity and initiative.
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:51am
oldfella

US Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg wants to make the United States the “global leader” in high-speed rail. That’s like wanting to be the world leader in electric typewriters, rotary telephones, or steam locomotives, all technologies that were once revolutionary but are functionally obsolete today. High-speed trains, in particular, were rendered obsolete in 1958, when Boeing introduced the 707 jetliner, which was twice as fast as the fastest trains today.
https://www.cato.org/blog/global-leader-obsolete-technology
How’s that high speed Auckland-Hamilton- Tauranga rail connection coming along?
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February 17, 2021 11:15am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Given that all high speed trains have only come into existence since 1958, it is hardly true that the Boeing 707 rendered them obsolete. It all depends on the sector length.
  For instance almost no-one would fly London to Paris when there is a high speed train link that takes you right into the heart of the city. It is substantially quicker than a flight.
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:43am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The problem for rail is that in real terms airline fares have dropped to about 30% of 1980 levels while rail has doubled. UK rail system costs $0.8/pax/km to run! Airlines $0.05-0.1 and will get even cheaper over short distances with advent of electric air-taxis in a couple of years. Modern aircraft only lose out due to airport travel and wait times, but with small point to point VTOL aircraft entering service in a couple of years that will end. High speed rail is already far too expensive and will very soon be slower as well. Totally obsolete and beloved only of big govt left and misanthropic greens who get off on destroying freedoms and choice and making people jump through hoops that they create (and will rationalise anything that achieves that end).
    
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    February 17, 2021 12:34pm
- mandk
  
  Michael Wood, Minster of Transport, says:
  
  “A high speed rail connection between Auckland, Hamilton and Tauranga is a top priority for this government.
  
  We plan to have it up and running by no later than 2180.
  
  In the meantime, passengers can enjoy the twice daily commuter service between Hamilton and Papakura. The journey will be slower than driving on the Waikato Expressway, but rail commuters will be able to enjoy a warm cup of coffee and sit alongside sneezing fellow travellers en-route.”
  
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  February 17, 2021 11:51am
  - sooty
    
    They can’t even get the rail out to the airport working, its a pipe dream and they are smoking it!
    
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    February 17, 2021 4:16pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Probably wants to make sure that more Democrats can get in on the boondoggle that is high speed train construction in the US. Have a look and see who has profited significantly from land sales along the Californian High Speed rail pathway, and look at their political family members.
  
  High speed rail can be effective in the right circumstances. The loading/unloading and connecting traffic times can matter, and although an aircraft travels considerably faster (and often more directly), they take longer to load/unload and inevitably take off and land at some distance from a city centre. However the capital investment for rail and especially for high speed rail, is enormous; and much higher than for air travel.
  
  NZ will almost certainly never have any significant high speed rail until they adopt a workable wide gauge system. Very tricky to enable high speed running on our current network, and would require an immense investment.
  
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  February 17, 2021 12:33pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It also takes a massive population demand for it not to be a fat loss cow. NZ’s too small to fund such loss makers.
    
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    February 17, 2021 1:11pm
  - FrankC
    
    No need to go standard gauge. The Metroblitz developed by South African Railways in the 1980s ran on Cape gauge, which is the same as we use. Its downfall was that it caused too much disruption to other services it shared the tracks with.
    
    High speed rail requires dedicated high speed lines to be truly effective
    
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    February 17, 2021 4:47pm
- MCos
  
  I was in Paris about five years ago with a couple of my sisters. We were staying in a central location. However one of my sisters walked to the Gare de Lyon, caught the train to Lyon, 400km+ in a couple of hours. Had a meeting with someone down there and back in time for dinner.
  
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  February 17, 2021 1:00pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Did that train nearly 20 years ago. Lyon to Paris (similar distance as Auckland-Palmerston North) in one hour 55 minutes. Does anyone seriously suggest that we will EVER have similar trains in NZ?
    
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    February 17, 2021 3:28pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      The Frogs built completely new, straight, tracks for the TGV system.
      
      I used to do the trip from Waterloo to Lyon on Eurostar then the TGV for business back in the day, before the line out through Kent was upgraded. There was a very smug French-accented announcement once you exited the Chunnel telling you that you were now travelling at 300km/h or whatever…
      
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      February 17, 2021 3:50pm
- Paulus
  
  Yesterday the person who is called Transport Minister, whose name I do not know, ruled out the Hamilton Tauranga Connection.
  And it appears that Hamilton Auckland will take some 3 and 3/4 hours wit connections and will run twice a day – there and back.
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:04pm
- NoFax
  
  There is no high speed trains in NZ – and I doubt there will be. But oldfella you should go to Europe to see how good high speed rail is. The problem for some is that they think their pet thing is the solution for everything. In NZ planes are better but in other parts of the world trains.
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:54pm
  - curry4me
    
    NoFax: The KTX in Korea is pretty good. But then, they do have 48 million people.
    
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    February 17, 2021 6:33pm
oldfella

A US science journalist has an interesting take on the common cry these days to ‘follow the science’, often from people who then disregard it.
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/james-meigs/trust-but-verify-the-science/
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February 17, 2021 11:30am
SB2

I was going down Vicky ave recently and was gobsmacked as to how tacky it looked with wheelie bins strewn here and there ( servants on strike I thought )

Conspicuous was an early model Porche ( 1971 I think) perched precariously up on jacks with a half wheel at the ready.

Plenty of litter too.

What’s going on down the golden mile?
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February 17, 2021 11:36am
- Maggie Pie
  
  What a lying little troll. As if someone like you would ever make it past Neighborhood Watch.
  
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  February 17, 2021 1:06pm
  - SB2
    
    MP, I think it could be useful if you stopped being precious about where you supposedly live.
    
    I live in Mt Eden with Epsom and Mt Roskill next door. No big deal.
    
    May I suggest you do the same?
    
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    February 17, 2021 1:55pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Why?
      
      Have your property values been affected?
      
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      February 17, 2021 2:38pm
oldfella

There’s a lot to like about ScoMo. We need someone like him. 😉
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Scott Morrison is expected to tear up Victoria’s Belt and Road deal with China within weeks.
The Andrews government blindsided Canberra in 2018 with the announcement that it had signed a memorandum of understanding to take part in the $1.5 trillion infrastructure program, which is widely viewed as a global power play by Chinese Communist Party and a national security threat.
Mr Morrison introduced new laws last year giving the Federal Government power to tear up any state or local government deal with a foreign power if it is deemed “inconsistent with federal foreign affairs policy”.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/scott-morrison-expected-to-tear-up-victorias-belt-and-road-deal-with-china-within-weeks/news-story/580f1d9baed69f064945bd38532becc3
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February 17, 2021 11:44am
- SB2
  
  oldfella, Judith and David not up to it?
  
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  February 17, 2021 1:56pm
  - oldfella
    
    Not at the moment. Sadly.
    
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    February 17, 2021 2:37pm
- curry4me
  
  oldfella: That’s really good news.
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:01pm
- Master Mariner
  
  They had too to be honest,
  Biggest blunder was Darwin port for its strategic location. Timor Sea etc.
  Again Ports are Strategic assets and should be treated as such,.
  
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  February 17, 2021 3:24pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Peter Williams @magictalk….
“I think we’ll have this government till well past 2023. I don’t believe the next National Prime Minister is even in Parliament yet”
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February 17, 2021 11:52am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie, let’s play that game. Yes?
  Name someone from outside the current parliament who might make a good National PM.
  Candidate could be a business leader. Public servant. Local body politician. Sporting figure. (You get the idea.)
  Confession, I’d love to throw in some names, but I can’t think of any. 😉
  
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  February 17, 2021 12:06pm
- fernglas
  
  Is that the same Peter Williams who was a sports commentator and part-time newsreader? Great to see that anybody can shape opinion these days. Very democratic.
  
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  February 17, 2021 12:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

At 10:59 the mod warned SB2 against any more trolling and abuse

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/02/general_debate_17_february_2021.html/comment-page-1#comment-2891185

At 11.07 then 11.20 the mod deleted SB2’s posts for trolling.

Looks like our Mod has a busy day ahead of him/her.

[The warning was given after the later comments were posted and checked. It’s a timing thing. Mod.]
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February 17, 2021 12:18pm
fernglas

“The Pike River Recovery Agency has reached the furthest point in the mine it plans to go.

The agency reached the roof fall, 2.260km up the drift access tunnel, on Tuesday.

Chief operating officer Dinghy Pattinson said the team finished the last of the forensic work in front of the roof fall near the top of the drift at about 11.30am.”

So, no loved ones, probably bugger all forensics, and a huge waste of money, time and emotion all round. Thanks Mr Little.
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February 17, 2021 12:23pm
- Wired-one
  
  For those interested
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/124271163/pike-river-recovery-agency-reaches-rockfall-at-top-of-mine-tunnel
  
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  February 17, 2021 1:08pm
  - sooty
    
    Well that achieved alot!
    
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    February 17, 2021 4:11pm
Biscuit

:: Tilts his head, frowns, and urges all Kiwibloggers to sign this ‘SAVE OUR MODS’ LEISURE TIME – THEY ARE US!’ petition ::
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February 17, 2021 12:33pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Hope you enjoyed the football today…
  
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  February 17, 2021 1:07pm
  - Biscuit
    
    A win, a win, praise the Imaginary Man in the Sky, a win!
    
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    February 17, 2021 2:09pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Grandma Pharma was née Gerrard.
      
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      February 17, 2021 4:11pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Ah, a veritable saint, then!
        
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        February 17, 2021 4:19pm
RW Capitalist

I see Victoria are FINALLY going to build Purpose built MIQ.
My solution
First compulsory buy as many campervans and caravans as I can get my hands on.
Move them to Ohakea and connect them water, sewage, electric etc
Move as many as you can through the airbase into these MIQ.
Build MIQ, perhaps
https://www.containerco.co.nz/the-possibilities/portable-accommodation/
All to come through Ohakea airbase.
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February 17, 2021 12:43pm
- Nickc2
  
  And what’s going to happen to RNZAF Personnel who are going about their meaningful employment at Ohakea?
  
  What will happen to RNZAF Ohakea at the end of the Covid-19 fiasco? Yea, you’ve got it. Cindy will sell it off to signed-up Labour Party donators/developers and then re-purchase after it has been developed and give it to Maori.
  
  A win-win all round, all at the expense of the NZ Taxpayer.
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:15pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    RNZAF and other military will be assisting in the building of the site, guarding it and dismantling it after.
    Return it to it’s current state
    Because, like you, I understand that this (covid) to will pass.
    
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    February 17, 2021 4:35pm
  - Mike
    
    Given the unlikelihood of Ohakea’s utilities being easy to expand, a better solution would be to seize an existing residential area. What suburb is RW in?
    
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    February 17, 2021 5:40pm
- cmm
  
  It’s summer. Go to camping supply shops and load up 100 tents.
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:38pm
Happychappy

Well surely this is not happening on Jacinda Arderns watch.
‘Crap pay and horrible conditions’ :Midwives at breaking point in Capital DHB.
Wellington midwives work themselves to a physical, emotional and exhaustion,
fear mothers and babies could die if they don’t.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/02/wellington-midwives-work-themselves-to-physical-and-emotional-exhaustion-fear-mothers-and-babies-could-die-if-they-don-t.html
So will labour, the Prime Minister and Health Minister blame the former National Government for all the under investment or will they face up to the reality they are the problem also and instead of making excuses need to fix it as action speaks louder than words.
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February 17, 2021 12:49pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xf5Ex-0kmA

What Happened in 2012 When Xi Jinping and Joe Biden Met?

Joe Biden seems to have played a pivotal role in making Xi the Chinese President. Biden
Alerted Xi to an attempt to replace him. [Yet another reason for the presitator to be
Grateful for his man in Washington.]
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February 17, 2021 1:19pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/amF3O1ngk_0/

#GretaGate. St Gretas Halo Slips in India, and UK.

The far-left environmental activist Greta Thunberg has Sparked OUTRAGE in Both INDIA and the UK! That’s right, ‘How dare you!’ In this video, we’re going to look at why #GretaGate is trending on Twitter, how Greta is facing a massive backlash in both India and Britain, and why this blowback against this media-anointed saint was all to be expected! [Couldn’t happen to a nicer ‘saint’.]
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February 17, 2021 1:20pm
- SB2
  
  “The far-left environmental activist Greta Thunberg..”??
  
  A Neo Bolshevik Stalinist?
  
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  February 17, 2021 1:58pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Ctrl-Left for short.
    
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    February 17, 2021 2:34pm
PaulP

What a surprise! No bodies and no criminal “evidence”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/124271163/pike-river-recovery-agency-reaches-rockfall-at-top-of-mine-tunnel
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February 17, 2021 1:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Great day to announce this big non-event.
  
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  February 17, 2021 1:41pm
- mandk
  
  Will the government now acknowledge that the whole super-expensive exercise was predictably futile, and simply a sop for Peters and a conscience salve for Little?
  
  Labour – pissing taxpayers’ money away since forever.
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:08pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Stand by for some of the families to announce that they aren’t giving up.
  
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  February 17, 2021 3:46pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING 😛
Thort this worth sharing with the group…..

NZH reports:
“The boys always want the studio to be warm, and they’re all doing that crafty tug behind the door because they want their dicks to look bigger”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1361828629169266694
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February 17, 2021 1:35pm
Maggie Pie

And another thing…

Anyone else sick and tired of hearing people say “…..I have an old phone and can’t access the app”

SHEESH! How hard can it be then?
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February 17, 2021 1:56pm
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, Im old-fashioned.
  
  I like my fridge, freezer, TV, car etc to last, oh, a decade and my mobile phones at least that.
  
  I see these youngsters who have to have the newest of everything … and then bemoan the fact that it is impossible to save enough money to raise a deposit on a home.
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:16pm
- cas
  
  I have an old phone and MOH ( eventually) told me to download RIPPL which seems to work. MOH has authorised it for those of us who have old phones. See it’s not hard at all.
  
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  February 17, 2021 3:57pm
Fuzzysnuggleduck

With 3 new cases relating to Papatoetoe high school today, it got me thinking about the so-called Americold cold store cluster.
The cold store seemed a dead end {ruled out} and original source still unknown. Was even suggested the daughter in the Papatoetoe household got sick before the dad IIRC.
And now, it is being suggested the daughter got sick (or symptomatic) before the mum.
..”The daughter in the Papatoetoe family at the centre of the recent community cases was the first to report the onset of symptoms, but it was still unclear if she was the index case.” (RNZ)
So is the laundry angle another dead end?
Michael Baker is suggesting surface transmission is not even clearly proven internationally.

Is there something else going on in Papatoetoe, that in both cases there are UK strains not found in MIQ appearing in the community?
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February 17, 2021 1:59pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  What’s the proof of it being a UK strain? Is our testing regime that advanced?
  
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  February 17, 2021 5:23pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Yes.
    The first south auckland outbreak was b.1.1..1 – the current one is b.1.1.7
    
    Google.
    The genome identification has been going on for a long time, and is always part of the discussion. Even the Ruakaka incident.
    
    e.g. one article:
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/it-s-b-1-1-1-kiwi-scientists-identify-virus-family-of-mystery-covid-19-outbreak.html
    
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    February 18, 2021 11:38am
Fletch

Not all the folks Biden’s DHS are letting across the border are being tested for Covid. That’s going to end well…

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/15/bidens-dhs-releasing-border-crossers-into-u-s-without-coronavirus-tests/
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February 17, 2021 2:06pm
I remember when

Is Covid-19 a great thing for Psychology.
If a country has either had no or largely escaped covid deaths everyone seems to be scared witless.
In Switzerland there is more traffic volume now (about 8800 deaths at lockdown) than there was during the first wave restrictions (1800 deaths approx).
Does this show the unknown fear greatly exceeds the fear once the outcome is realised.
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February 17, 2021 2:15pm
graham

I see Marcus Lush has been elected to the Invercargill City Council.

The few times I’ve listened to his talkback show on Newstalk ZB, it’s painfully obvious that he does absolutely no research or investigation into the current topics of the day. One can only hope he takes his job as an elected councillor somewhat more seriously than he takes his job as talkback host.
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February 17, 2021 2:26pm
Maggie Pie

Skippy assures parliament ‘The Pullman’ is once again safe for human habitation.

Anyone game for dinner and a room for the night?

Asking for a friend.
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February 17, 2021 2:30pm
- Nickc2
  
  Speaking of Skippy, here is how the Australians view our PM and her handling of the ISIS Terrorist fiasco.
  I think it was Cindy who posed for the graphic.
  
  https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/02/jacinda-adern-talks-up-her-muslimrefugee-credentials-slams-us-for-stripping-one-of-her-is-detainees-.html
  
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  February 17, 2021 2:40pm
  - tf78
    
    Nick – the comments are absolute GOLD!
    
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    February 17, 2021 7:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Unless a bunch of infected new arrivals have been placed in the hotel, it should be ok..
  
  p.s. don’t use the lifts tho’
  
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  February 17, 2021 3:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’m having enough fun here pressing SB2’s buttons 😀
    
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    February 17, 2021 3:25pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Make sure you wash your hands thoroughly after pressing those buttons.
      
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      February 17, 2021 3:59pm
    - sooty
      
      You go girl! Push some for me too!
      
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      February 17, 2021 4:02pm
    - chuk
      
      Maggie Pie – if you have found SB2’s buttons please could switch them to the “off” position.
      
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      February 17, 2021 4:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trolling a troll is fun – that’s why Trump does it LOL
      
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      February 17, 2021 5:09pm
grumpy

Meanwhile, the great Tim Blair tells us what Aussies really think….https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/01/they-nicest-country-they-couldnt-wait-to-leave/
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February 17, 2021 2:49pm
- oldfella
  
  Grumpy, found this reader’s comment in the Blair piece. I think we Anzacs share a lot of similar problems.
  ++
  “The ABC has just announced all their programming must meet diversity quotas. So rather than hire people based on competency, they must be hired based on race, gender and LGBTQYOURABC. I wonder if the doyens at the ABC apply the same thinking when it comes to having neurosurgery? Do they want the best neuro operating on their brain, or the blackest?”
  
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  February 17, 2021 4:14pm
cmm

Well the Green Revolution in USA is having yet another unintended consequence.

The unreliable power is causing factories to have to shut down. More chip shortages = more delays building electronics. And those electronics go into your phones, washing machines, cars, etc etc.

“The Coalition for Clean, Affordable, Reliable Energy” … I think my woke-o-meter just exploded just after my irony detector did.

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/samsungs-chip-fabs-in-texas-ordered-to-shut-down-due-to-power-shortage
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February 17, 2021 3:11pm
- MCos
  
  I’ve heard various people blaming frozen wind turbines for the problems in Texas, including the Governor. Maybe so, but how come other much colder locations don’t have that problem eg Canada?
  From the article below
  
  Ed Hirs, an energy fellow in the Department of Economics at the University of Houston, blamed the failures on the state’s deregulated power system, which doesn’t provide power generators with the returns needed to invest in maintaining and improving power plants.
  “The ERCOT grid has collapsed in exactly the same manner as the old Soviet Union,” said Hirs. “It limped along on underinvestment and neglect until it finally broke under predictable circumstances.”
  https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Wholesale-power-prices-spiking-across-Texas-15951684.php
  
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  February 17, 2021 5:09pm
- virtualmark
  
  The situation in Texas is basically because:
  (a) Texas hasn’t connected its transmission network to the rest of the US (because … Texas. Was a decision made back in the 1930s to stay away from the Feds), and
  (b) Much of the instrumentation for that Texas ERCOT transmission network wasn’t designed to cope with freezing temperatures, and
  (c) The equipment at the natural gas wells froze because in Texas it’s not designed to cope with freezing temperatures.
  
  Hard to see how that has much, if anything, to do with a “Green Revolution”. I hadn’t realised AOC had sneaked into Texas and switched their energy policy …
  
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  February 17, 2021 6:20pm
Pharmachick

Hi all,
I just wondered if we can maybe not whinge about there being no travel bubbles to Raro, Aus and the like right now. For comparison, I have been working from home for 49 weeks [tomorrow], been in to work only 4 times since March 17th 2020 (will be 5 on Saturday), plus a couple pharmacy/Drs visits… Mr Pharma does the groceries (9AM Tuesday, when its quiet).

My lab is still at 40% capacity and I have to make a roster for lab workers rotating them through like human Tetris and maintaining equity (as much as possible) for Mon-Sun with only available scheduled hours 7AM – 9PM, which doesn’t always work for research science.

Our shops are open level 2 style with max occupancy and social distancing, and my “treat” of the week revolves around takeout once a week.

My friend’s dad died in a care home of COVID on NY eve and his kids (9, 11) couldn’t even go to their granddads funeral because n = 10. Currently at ~500 cases/day and ~12 deaths/day, but rising and UK variant seems to have got out. Like NZ our vaccines are delayed.

Today was not a very good day.
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February 17, 2021 3:12pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some nostalgia to cheer you up
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ni5fdUcqc
  
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  February 17, 2021 3:18pm
  - cmm
    
    Nostalgia isn’t as good as it used to be.
    
    Heck neither is that joke!
    
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    February 17, 2021 3:30pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Thank you
    
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    February 17, 2021 3:47pm
Inandout

If your name is Joe Biden you ain’t a Catholic.
https://trends.gab.com/item/602c78a657a46b738df59d52
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February 17, 2021 3:18pm
cmm

“Government social media moderators set to pounce on vaccine misinformation”

I’ve got to ask though… with all the bullshit from the experts how the heck is a mere social media moderator going to know the difference?

Or are they going to use the Cindy Test? Anything she says from the podium is gospel. Everything else is bollocks.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid19-coronavirus-government-social-media-moderators-set-to-pounce-on-vaccine-misinformation/IKQNCT6NFT6WSLUVOXFINQTVBE/
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February 17, 2021 3:27pm
- Martin Williams
  
  I have noticed mods here clamping down recently on anti-vax comments from krazykiwi and others.
  
  I can see why now.
  
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  February 17, 2021 3:30pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Martin, don’t make a fool of yourself more than is natural for you. Slinging terms like ‘anti-vax’ around represents a feeble, semantic attack. I look for evidence of efficacy, and I disregard manufactured soundbites pumped out via the media. Do try to keep up.
    
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    February 17, 2021 4:09pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      How’d you get on with that evidence of election fraud?
      
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      February 17, 2021 8:51pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Says a man who has had more time than most on the sidelines.
    
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    February 17, 2021 8:37pm
- alex Masterley
  
  We are here from the government to help you…
  Yea right.
  I am not a vacine sceptic, but I am going to wait until those who need it more than I, the border workers the aged and those at risk have been vacinated.
  And even then i am happy to sit at the end of the queue.
  Just a personal view.
  
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  February 17, 2021 3:48pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    +1 for the Ronald Regan allusion!!!!
    
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    February 17, 2021 3:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I imagine by the time Joe and Jenny Public are in line for a Covid-19 vaccination we might know whether the vaccines give long-term protection or whether we should just hang around for a Covid-22 version.
    
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    February 17, 2021 3:57pm
  - sooty
    
    Labour MPs done as well!
    
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    February 17, 2021 3:57pm
    - tf78
      
      sooty – I’m sure Jacinda said she was going to be one of the first, I think she’s changed her mind now. I would like Shane Reti to administer and verify her vaccination.
      
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      February 17, 2021 8:08pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Interesting. Did you notice yesterday, a KB mod was getting very testy and hands-on in respect of vaccinations comments.
  
  DPF: Have you be ‘leaned on’ in this regard?
  
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  February 17, 2021 4:04pm
RW Capitalist

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/065/909/237/original/85cd05246afddb0f.png

Says so much.
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February 17, 2021 3:57pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING….CNN

Trumpy now being sued under ‘The 1871 Klu Cluk Clan Act’ for inciting violence.

WTF NEXT?? LOL!!!
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February 17, 2021 4:00pm
- oldfella
  
  Ah, the Ku Klux Klan, founded and supported by America’s Democrats for a hundred and fifty years.
  
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  February 17, 2021 4:20pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Joe was a great mate of the KKK leader during Joe’s 47 years at the trough.
  
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  February 17, 2021 4:59pm
  - Nickc2
    
    True, the KKK were Democrats and slave owners. However, they are currently rewriting history so who knows?
    I guess it’s a bit like us where we are rewriting our history to make it more palatable to the Woke Brigade and Maori.
    
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    February 17, 2021 5:15pm
  - Mike
    
    Whick KKK leader ws that?
    
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    February 17, 2021 5:34pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yup. Joe Biden praised Robert Byrd, the former Ku Klux Klan ‘Exalted Cyclops’, and referred to him as a “friend”, “mentor” and “guide”
    
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    February 17, 2021 6:28pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, in later life he regretted his filibuster of the Civil Right Act.
      
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      February 17, 2021 8:06pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was quite pleased to see world #1 Ash Barty bundled out of the Women’s Open today.
He thinks that tall Czech girl will bring a lot more glamour to the game.
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February 17, 2021 4:45pm
- Martin Williams
  
  Similarly, I was quite pleased when former mayor of Auckland … [Deleted – Mod.], John Banks, was finally bundled out of public life for racist comments.
  
  The world is a better place.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:31pm
Master Mariner

This is how economic warfare is accomplished.
Anyone with half a brain, could see who was behind Myanmar coup.
If so, Also a large source of rare earths from here as well.
https://www.ft.com/content/d3ed83f4-19bc-4d16-b510-415749c032c1
This will “potentially” effect all EV, phones and computers.
Long term how it pans out is anyones guess.
Definately worth following.
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February 17, 2021 4:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Waffle, waffle, waffle – level 2. Waffle, waffle, waffle – level 2. Waffle, waffle, waffle – level 2.
Totally addicted to the camera
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February 17, 2021 4:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I couldn’t be bothered watching..
  Did the PM manage to thank all the Aucklanders for keeping the rest of us out in the boondocks safe?
  
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  February 17, 2021 5:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dunno, I don’t speak or understand ‘waffle’
    
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    February 17, 2021 6:21pm
  - SB2
    
    For answers maybe its time for both of you to carefully reflect as to why the NZ right received such a thumping by the PM and her party last year?
    
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    February 17, 2021 6:48pm
Fisiani2

Have you noticed how the Covid announcements are never given on time. Always a few minutes later than announced trying to keep the public on tenterhooks. No accident.
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February 17, 2021 4:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Have to cater to the lazy arses who are always late. Would not want the peasants to miss out
  
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  February 17, 2021 5:05pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The PM needed to get her make up sorted is my take on the delay.
  
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  February 17, 2021 5:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Had all fucking day, even before Question time. Oh shit, TV and cameras 10 times a day
    
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    February 17, 2021 6:19pm
- Hollyfield
  
  It was 10 minutes late on Monday. I didn’t see yesterday. A person who is always late is saying to everyone else: my time is more important than yours. Occasionally late I ignore. Always late is arrogance.
  
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  February 17, 2021 6:14pm
- SB2
  
  My Computer clock told me it was more or less exactly on time.
  
  Why the quibbling?
  
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  February 17, 2021 6:59pm
Maggie Pie

How bl…dy ridiculous!!
Why can’t bars and restaurants be allowed to open at 6pm tonite. What diff would it make?
A friend of my partner owns one of the best seafood restaurants in Auckland and has now had to cancel 40 bookings who were on standby for a table. Already lost more than 100k over the last three days.
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February 17, 2021 5:16pm
- krazykiwi
  
  There is no cost too high for NZers to pay in order for Ardern to appear strong. We must suffer, and thank her. And thank her again. Worship is what she wants, and we’re pretty close to that.
  
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  February 17, 2021 5:24pm
- SB2
  
  Hells Pizza , Burger Fuel, Paradise etc provide a slick service if you care to bother.
  
  Not sure if they’re banned in Remuera, though.
  
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  February 17, 2021 6:42pm
- Nickc2
  
  Remember Maggie these kids have never had a real job.
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just saw a meme of Greta in Texas.
“I take it all back, it’s fucking freezing”
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February 17, 2021 5:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Cold kills…
  https://www.foxnews.com/weather/medical-examiners-office-request-refrigerated-trucks-increase-cold-weather-deaths
  
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  February 17, 2021 5:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They never been to Alaska I guess. North Slope is ridiculous, I know people that work there.
    Now, just so you know, when Grandma dies in Alaska, she can not be put in a grave because the ground is frozen.
    
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    February 17, 2021 6:26pm
  - SB2
    
    MW, indeed freezing cold kills. I think the Medical examiner can’t hardly leave bodies lying outside the mortuary or berms etc to take on the projected increase in fatalities .
    
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    February 17, 2021 6:56pm
Littletramp

Nice to see a Newshub report that the Ministry of Health has done some research that shows those sceptical of the vaccine generally have lower educational qualifications.
They also have concluded that Maori and Pacific Islanders are more susceptible to misinformation and rumour.
Have they ever considered the opposite may be true, and it may be the high and mighty intellectuals having the wool pulled over their eyes?
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February 17, 2021 5:20pm
70andstilllearning

Wow! So Cindy and Ash have finally worked out the mood of the country has changed. Who will lead the coup and when will it occur and who will be the leader?
Trev??
Nanaia?
Willie.
Kelv – (-?)

Ah – any one’s guess but if anyone wants a sweep stake!
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February 17, 2021 5:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just a reminder that Donald J Trump was acquitted 3 days ago, and Kleenex is on sale
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February 17, 2021 5:29pm
- MCos
  
  Who would be a friend of Trump
  
  “Trump blasts McConnell as a ‘hack’ who lacks ‘political insight’ “
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-blasts-mcconnell-hack-who-lacks-political-insight-n1258051
  
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  February 17, 2021 6:04pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well, he has no friends. Even dogs dislike him.
    
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    February 17, 2021 9:41pm
- Mike
  
  Has he announced the TRUMP 2024! campaign yet. Make America Great Again, Again.
  
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  February 17, 2021 6:15pm
- SB2
  
  Steve Otto(North Shore), how’s the grief work going?
  
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  February 17, 2021 6:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What a shortage of toilet paper does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PBg_3iVBw
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February 17, 2021 5:33pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Funnily enough Steve, my partner had a similar approach when he stopped at the Stoddard Rd lights in Mt Roskill. Only difference being, instead of a donut, it was a Kebab.
  
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  February 17, 2021 6:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lights at Stoddard Rd? Really? I must get out more – but that is all on the ‘other side’
    
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    February 17, 2021 6:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Kebab for toilet paper? Toilet paper? seriously.
    No donuts from there for me
    
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    February 17, 2021 7:02pm
lifesgood

I am becoming increasingly suspicious about these lock downs. This one was, in my opinion, totally unnecessary. BUT what a great diversion from the Mallard scandal. What on earth was she wearing? Looked like an old horse blanket, or something. Is it freezing in Wellington?
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February 17, 2021 5:53pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  What Mallard scandal? There’s only ever been one and it is continuous.
  What interests me is the talk about the sewerage not showing any signs of covid, Does that mean the good folks in Papatoetoe are using buckets and a shovel?
  
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  February 17, 2021 8:57pm
graham

Very interesting to see a notice pop up on my Facebook feed earlier this evening from the North Shore, Rodney & West Auckland Police.

It was advising that Tāmaki Makaurau was moving to Alert Level 2 from midnight tonight, roadblocks were being dismantled, and some other information about public transport and so on. The notice talked about what was happening in Tāmaki Makaurau three times – Auckland wasn’t mentioned once.

And there were two comments – one from somebody who asked, well what’s happening in Auckland, and one from somebody who replied, they’ve told you.

I have just checked back, and both comments have quietly been removed … but I notice that all three mentions of Tāmaki Makaurau have now been altered to Auckland/Tāmaki Makaurau.

🙂
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