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Happychappy

House hogs needed reining in is Jane Bowen and her Jealous, name calling rant and abuse on housing investors.
Not doing anything while house prices went through the roof their own and then some- was getting out of hand.
When Labour did pull some levers there was no surprise at the lack of applause from property investors reacting to the Government’s attempt to address the complex problems of the housing shortages.
Instead of harrah’s there were howls of anguish as the whining baby voices of prop erty investors spluttered thei objections on chat groups vowing never to vote Labour again.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/housing-affordability/124990355/house-hogs-needed-reining-in
This is a bit rich coming from a well known Journalist past her used by date that has lived off the Government for years and one of Nationals greatest critics over many years.
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May 3, 2021 8:00am
- peterwn
  
  Should be no trouble selling Jane Bowron a bridge.
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:42am
- igm
  
  Hang about Happy, your taxes are now paying her wages!
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:47am
- Prince
  
  Spent all her lonely life moaning about National and pushing Labour, and now whines because she can’t afford the house she thinks she deserves.
  Truly the archetypal Labour voter.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:23am
  - sooty
    
    She was cheap!
    
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    May 3, 2021 12:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Mingling wit da Mob
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/05/green-party-s-marama-davidson-human-rights-commissioner-under-fire-for-attending-waikato-mongrel-mob-gathering.html
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May 3, 2021 8:05am
- The Floss
  
  I couldn’t believe this. What annoys me is how little media coverage its getting. The headline writes itself: “Minister for Violence Prevention spotted at Mongrel Mob HQ”‘
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:19am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Davidson is both Associate Minister of Housing (Homelessness) and Minister for Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence. You’d have to say that gangs in general, and the Mongrel Mob in particular, have an appalling track record in violence, including sexual violence, towards women.
    
    And I’m sure victims of gang violence would describe that as far more “inhumane” than Davidson claimed emergency housing to be.
    
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    May 3, 2021 8:38am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      Turn your mind back Tony. You’ll remember that Rob met with the gangs. I think he even arranged some packages for them to build homes in Otahuhu which still stand albeit very weathered, budget versions.
      Then again compared to today’s versions like Simeon, Muldoon was ex-military and had mana and respect for that. He wasn’t a cry baby and fronted up. I suppose it was called guts. I don’t think Simeon has what it takes.
      
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      May 3, 2021 9:18am
      - GazzaW
        
        ….and what makes you think that Simeon hasn’t got what it takes Brian?
        
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        May 3, 2021 9:34am
      - Tall Man
        
        The mob did not control and distribute narcotics as much back then. Now they are the prime promoters of the filth within NZ and represent a massively disproportionate amount of the prisoners and crime within NZ which is why [don’t make personal accusations like that, without merit or evidence – Mod]
        
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        May 3, 2021 9:46am
      - Frank the tank
        
        Slow can day today Brian? You seen very salty.
        
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        May 3, 2021 10:19am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Sorry Gazza reported you by mistake. I’d welcome seeing him front up ….but until he does?
        I think getting out and talking to people, even saying things they might not appreciate, is a good start. Hiding away, however?
        Muldoon had the guts to pull the pin on the Thomas convictions but probably is more remembered (not kindly) for his dawn raids, losing the case at the PC, and then changing the Law.
        The evidence is that a lot of gangs started in one form or another in state care, or attracted those from state care.
        
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        May 3, 2021 10:40am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Have to add, Bill English understood this situation well. He’s the front up type, maybe someone should give him a call.
        
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        May 3, 2021 10:44am
      - Tall Man
        
        I doubt many on this blog are unaware of either his history or his unwavering support of both crime and the criminals who commit it.
        
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        May 3, 2021 11:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  Ms Davidson is a communist activist not a leader – in common with the rest of the Green Party reps in Parliament.
  Long gone are the days when earnest but committed environmentalists selected candidates for what they offered by way of saving the forests and birds.
  The traditional Green Party voters have given up.
  They are content to sit back in their gardens and
  be represented by enablers of violent, drug pushing bikie gangs.
  How bizarre.
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:48am
  - Nickc2
    
    A number of the old Green Guard have infiltrated Local Govt and/or continued a pro-communist role post Green Party activism. Namely Jeanette Fitzsimons, Sue Bradford, Gareth Hughes and Russel Norman to name a few.
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:27am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    It’s not all about hugging trees Gravelroad or the “good” old days. Like it or not she is the co-leader of the Greens.
    I think she may have indicated abuse in her own life.
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:47am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Really? She has quite public whanau members
      
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      May 3, 2021 10:52am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        She states that her childhood abuser was a distant family member – now deceased
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/speaking-secrets-marama-davidsons-painful-memory-of-sexual-abuse/IN5K4LJGXRPNLO4I4KKA3FDLAY/
        
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        May 3, 2021 1:58pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Mmm, I’ve oft wondered how so many of those who appear at the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand election night galas present as very well heeled and fashionably attired…
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:49am
    - Nickc2
      
      Chardonney Socialists, Latte Sippers and Pearl Clutchers all assembled for a piss-up and falling off their 12-inch stiletto heels while their hand-bag partners complete with their Bichon Frise dogs try valiantly to hold them up.
      Yep, I think that adequately describes the female Green fraternity at their galas Suze.
      No, I haven’t been to one but a friend of a friend of a friend told me so it must be true.
      
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      May 3, 2021 12:05pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      The Green Party folksters round here seem to be (and I generalise outrageously) middle aged with long wispy hair done up in buns- and that’s just the men.
      They wear ugly sandals and play the violin in string quartets.
      They are earnest worriers about climate change, pollution and trees. And saving bird habitats.
      One thing they don’t appear to have much knowledge of, or interest in, is saving the gangs.
      
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      May 3, 2021 12:58pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Yes, well true greens do exist as well – could you imagine Golriz being on the arm of one of them though…?
        
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        May 3, 2021 1:04pm
      - RockyJ
        
        I have attended an environmentalist meeting where they were supposed to be co operating with iwi. The environmentalists allow themselves to be shamefully bullied by the Maori activists. I left in disgust.
        
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        May 3, 2021 2:15pm
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Following MW’s link I came across another news story about the offensiveness of number plates beginning NGR.
  
  The offended person was James Crow. Either this story is a pisstake, or Mr Crow is seriously ignorant of his own name’s historical connotations.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:05am
  - peterwn
    
    It will get to the point where so many letter combinations offend that NZTA might as well go back to all-digit plates. Even in the early two letter days, BF was skipped.
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:23am
    - I remember when
      
      The thing I find interesting is the length of time that passes before anyone notices the supposed problem.
      
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      May 3, 2021 1:30pm
  - Ehlana
    
    No examples given in that story of other three letter combinations banned either. Just letters and numbers easily mistaken for each other, where only one set is used to assist with law enforcement.
    
    I wonder what else has been banned? There are probably a few people out there hoping to one day get a plate such as SXY, for example.
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      Well Nigeria’s fucked …. and Niger doesn’t do much better.
      
      Surely to god we’re all adults now who don’t run around offended and snickering at silly shit like children…… Well maybe just 48.9% of us are.
      
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      May 3, 2021 9:43am
  - Frank the tank
    
    It’s obviously a piss take
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:26am
    - harvey wilson
      
      @Frank the Tank , that was my thought too . Especially since his name is James Crow – Jim Crow .
      Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a bet to see if the insufferably woke stuff would report on it .
      
      If so , well done .
      
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      May 3, 2021 1:20pm
  - EvoDriver
    
    My friend has an NGR number plate. We giggle about it sometimes. Does that make us childish? Better than being a snowflake though.
    
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    May 3, 2021 11:29am
  - Dougal10
    
    Once all cars have a government installed gps tax collection unit installed we won’t need those pesky number plates.
    
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    May 3, 2021 7:01pm
- Simon
  
  Mingling wit da mob = a safari and a adventure where comfortable urban leftwing middle class can safely view and interact with this exotic species on display called the mongrel mob.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:13am
  - sooty
    
    Open top buses, driving around the hood.
    Showing the tourist what life is really like!
    They could have spotters out and about to direct them to the latest stoush!
    Love it, will it be a money spinner?
    Maybe, only if the bus was armoured!
    
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    May 3, 2021 12:21pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I know I should not be astonished but I am. I urge you to read the story at the link.
  
  The ‘Human Rights Commissioner’ says: “I look forward to the Human Rights Commission further engaging with the Waikato Mongrel Mob Kingdom in the future, in an honest and constructive spirit.”
  
  Utterly utterly mad. Surely he must resign?
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:16am
  - kowtow
    
    I look forward to all the wimmin journos who have been so strident about all things me too # really picking this up and doing a relentless pursuit of Hunt , Davidson and anyone else involved in this utterly appalling chapter of insults to all the victims of gang violence in New Zealand.
    
    But it won’t happen.
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:34am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Benedict Yu- and now a precedent has been set.
    Bikie gangs have always been competitive for status, money, power and influence.
    So what makes this Mongrel Mob chapter top dog with the politicians?
    It’s a dog eat dog world out there.
    Soon other packs will want similar affirmation from cabinet ministers and top level, tax payer funded public servants.
    If they go to one meeting for them, they can come to ours as well.
    Game on.
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:13am
    - sooty
      
      If they don’t, will they yell racism and all the rest?
      How much did they throw in the pot as well?
      
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      May 3, 2021 12:24pm
  - Apropos of the Wet Snow
    
    This is how the bifurcation of society will proceed: the “elites,” in concert with the dregs of society, will unite to destroy the middle. The middle class is an inconvenient check on the power of those above them, and the development of middle classes around the developed world is a relative historical anomaly. The idea is to establish an Anarcho-Tyranny (much as we see developing in the States), wherein the lawless and immoral scum are free to do as they please, while the obedient middle will be ever more squeezed and extorted by both the criminals and the tyrannical institutions. The ultimate result will be the “elites” (the hyper wealthy and their bought and paid for politicians) living a life far removed from everyone else, with the latter scrambling to survive on an equal footing of shared privation.
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:46am
    - RockyJ
      
      The German industrialists thought Hitler was a joke and thought they could control him. We know how well that worked out.
      
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      May 3, 2021 2:17pm
- you reap what you sow
  
  I can’t believe that the leader of Labour’s partner would do this.
  “Speaking at the event, Davidson called it “a fabulous community event for justice” for “diverse communities who have been subject to enduring and systemic racism”.”
  
  Remember; She was tweeting about George Floyd and making similar comments that related this to NZ Police just before police office Matthew Hunt was shot by a 24 year old (allegedly?). Note that she has deleted all her tweets up to this event.
  
  Also, she works alongside Stuart Nash so wouldn’t it be better to provide hard evidence to him to convince the Minister to do something about her concerns? Note Any Coster does not agree with her?
  
  One has to wonder if she is giving her blessing to the gangs to carry on with their criminal behavior as the future brown shirts of the revolutionist Green Party.
  
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  May 3, 2021 10:19am
- Happy1
  
  Of course Davidson was welcome at a Mongrel Mob jamboree, especially accompanied by a Mr H.
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:20am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Press Freedom Day!
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May 3, 2021 8:06am
- mandk
  
  I looking forward to New Zealand Press Honesty Day.
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:54am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Don’t hold your breath…
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No such thing
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:18am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Jesting again.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:08am
- rangitoto
  
  NZ press was bought for $100 mill or so.
  
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  May 3, 2021 10:03am
  - Paulus
    
    In addition to the $105 million so far the media look like running low on money fuel and will very soon want more !
    
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    May 3, 2021 1:34pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  One thing for sure, there is less world press freedom now than when the China Virus reared its ugly head.
  The great shame is governments are quick to remove freedoms and then get amnesia when it is time to give them back.
  The Facebook’s and twitters of the world have much to answer for in this banning debate as we once knew it.
  Sadly, I think it is a losing battle.
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:39am
Maggie Pie

TBH, the only reason I follow Ricardo on Twitter, is so I can read the replies to his tweets 😀
But honestly, now he’s calling for Amnesty for all Illegal Overstayers here…. and a ‘pathway to residency’. FFS!
He says “… this is in atonement for Dawn Raids back in the 70’s”.
Now while I’ve got no idea who Dawn was, she sounds like my sort of gal.

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1388670596565790722
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May 3, 2021 8:13am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  The more I hear about this wombat, the more I think hes actually a parody.
  
  Mexican
  Gay
  Marxist
  Wealthy family
  Wrong headed – accuses Sir Bob of all sorts of incorrect shit
  
  And now referencing the 70’s for atonement purposes. Whilst he was still on the breast, or maybe even a twinkle, I cant be arsed checking.
  
  Tell me thats not a parody person?
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:20am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    According to Wikipedia, this clown was born sometime around 1987-1988, so the dawn raids took place long before he was a twinkle in his father’s eye.
    
    But hey, I’ve even met Green Party voters/members who wish he’d pull his head in. He is an embarrassment even to them!
    
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    May 3, 2021 8:42am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      I’m sure certain elements from within would be happy for him to push all manner of propaganda – esp from inside the House.
      
      Who are his real poverty action mates? I don’t think they’re particularly ‘green’ but they’d be grateful for the ‘respectable’ cloak for convenient political purposes…
      
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      May 3, 2021 8:56am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Yes I think long term, even the Greens may regret having him in their team. I’m hoping he will cause more damage to the Greens.
      
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      May 3, 2021 9:09am
    - tf78
      
      Tony, it must have happened in Mexico too – as he wasn’t even living in NZ, let alone heard of it.
      
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      May 3, 2021 12:07pm
  - Simon
    
    “Tell me thats not a parody person?”
    
    Just right. His only purpose is to bring some amusing point of difference in politics from the joint Labo / National shit show.
    
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    May 3, 2021 8:44am
  - Ruahine
    
    He is another bludging foreigner living off taxpayers money. Quite at home amongst the other parasites in the ‘Green’ party. Small p deliberate.
    
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    May 3, 2021 8:45am
  - Chris R
    
    hmmok: There was a Monty Python skit which featured a Mr Keith Maniac from Guatemala. Is this clown a close relative?
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:16am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      “a man who claims he can send bricks to sleep by hypnosis. Mr Keith Maniac from Guatemala.”
      
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      May 3, 2021 11:12am
- G152
  
  50 years ago the then government evicted overstayers.
  Evidently with the left its okay for people to break the law and not have to pay a price…
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    Actually evicted very few after the Manufacturers and Employers Federations pointed out they needed the workers. Even back then we had local lazy beneficiaries refusing to work.
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:39am
- Bobba Fret
  
  As I’ve said on here previously, Ricardo would make Meteria Tuerei look like a far right winger.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Dawn Raids were a Labour novelty.
  People are easier to catch in their beds. What they didn’t like was the dogs that the Officers used,
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:10am
- Ehlana
  
  An amnesty at the start of the pandemic would have made sense. As in, you have 2-3 months to leave New Zealand and we won’t ask any questions on your way out.
  
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  May 3, 2021 4:34pm
Happychappy

Over 200,000 early Welfare Benefit Payments have been paid in last three months figures show.
Beneficiaries paying 8o-100 per cent of their rent have been seeking early payouts resulting in over 200,000 advance payments being made in the last three months by the Ministry of Social Development.
Individuals who need immediate essential help can get up to six weeks of benefit payments which is then repaid back, but a welfare advocate says the pattern isn’t good in the long term.
“What we are seeing is the need being met in a way that is not sustainable “advocate Kay Bererton said.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/over-200-000-early-welfare-benefit-payments-have-been-paid-in-last-three-months-figures-show
It will be interesting to find out how much of Taxpayers money has been paid out on schemes like as there will be many more just like repairs from Social Welfare to those who have had substantial damage occur to their motels.
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May 3, 2021 8:17am
- Paulus
  
  What is the current Welfare debt that has not been paid back yet ?
  Oh sorry ! we do not know as we do not collect this and are too busy to do so anyway.
  
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  May 3, 2021 1:37pm
- I remember when
  
  So up to 10% of our adult population can’t afford to pay their rent.
  
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  May 3, 2021 1:45pm
  - Keith White
    
    Perhaps they should work at a job, breed only what they can feed from that job, and stay with their breeding partner. A ‘lifestyle’ combo like that very likely means they can afford food and rent.
    
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    May 3, 2021 6:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chinese own the Port of Melbourne… (and Newcastle and Darwin).

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6251638347001
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May 3, 2021 8:17am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why am I not surprised?
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:10am
- SB2
  
  And Scott Hamilton will confiscate the asset?
  
  Yeah right!
  
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  May 3, 2021 10:49am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Scott Hamilton? Are you that stupid that you don’t know the name of Australia’s prime minister? Oh, you’re widely regarded as Kiwiblog’s commenter, so carry on in your bubble of ignorance!
    
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    May 3, 2021 1:33pm
    - igm
      
      Seems he qualifies for the title of f/wit adequately!
      
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      May 3, 2021 1:56pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s not the first time that SB2 has muddled Scott Hamilton with Scott Morrison.
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/04/general_debate_07_april_2021.html#comment-2919096
      
      You really have to wonder what’s going on.
      
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      May 3, 2021 2:07pm
      - SB2
        
        MW, and you and “Watts Up with that” provides a classic example
        
        https://www.desmog.com/anthony-watts
        
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        May 3, 2021 2:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        “Watts Up with that” provides a classic example
        
        Yep,
        You and your fellow trolls have been trying to smear that blog for as long as I’ve been on KB.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/03/general_debate_23_march_2020.html#comment-2665481
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/05/general_debate_02_may_2021.html#comment-2932787
        
        Tho’ ‘if you are so worried that Anthony Watts hasn’t got a degree why do you post on this blog every day?
        
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        May 3, 2021 5:35pm
    - SB2
      
      Whatever
      
      “A mistake a day keeps perfectionism at bay.”
      
      Right?
      
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      May 3, 2021 2:29pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        SB2:
        
        A mistake a day keeps perfectionism at bay.
        
        Your title of “Kiwiblog’s dumbest commenter” (awarded by Tom Hunter if I recall correctly) indicates that you’re light years away from achieving perfection.
        
        Instead of trawling through threads and making content-free comments everywhere, why not try engaging constructively?
        
        On this issue, for example, you might be interested to know that the Morrison Government passed a law allowing it to review and cancel contracts that states and territories, and educational institutions, entered into with other countries. No one that I’ve seen, including constitutional lawyers, disputes that Australia has this power under its constitution.
        
        The Minister of Foreign Affairs recently exercised her discretion and cancelled 3 contracts including one between the State of Victoria and China over the so-called Belt-and-Road Initiative. There have been suggestions that the Minister should similarly exercise her discretion to cancel the Northern Territory ports contract.
        
        So on this issue, like many others, there’s scope for a more nuanced debate that you seem to be capable of. But go ahead and downtick me. You can only downtick me once. Just like you can only masturbate once a day at the St Lukes cafe.
        
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        May 3, 2021 3:50pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        If you only made ONE mistake per day SB, that would be a massive improvement 😀
        
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        May 3, 2021 4:44pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Here’s an ABC article, published today, for SB2’s benefit:
        
        New security advice is being sought on whether the controversial lease of the Darwin Port to a Chinese-owned company should be scrapped. … Both the federal opposition and some government backbenchers say the deal should never have been approved.
        
        During a visit to Darwin last week, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said he would only act on the lease on the advice of the Defence Department or security agencies. “If there is advice from the Defence Department or our security agencies that change their view about the national security implications of any piece of critical infrastructure, we have legislation now which is dealing with critical infrastructure,” he said. “You would expect me as Prime Minister to take that advice very seriously and act accordingly.”
        
        It makes SB2’s initial response “And Scott Hamilton [sic] will confiscate the asset? Yeah right!” look incredibly naive.
        
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        May 3, 2021 5:03pm
Master Mariner

Looks like EV fires are going to become the norm.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/05/watch-car-on-fire-near-nelson-road-closed.html
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/one-dead-after-car-fire-near-nelson-6306291

Question, Are insurance premiums going to go up for them as Fire, Ambulance, etc will not be able to assist in the normal manner. Could you imagine the results if in a tunnel, Toxic fumes etc. Incrediable heat etc.

I wonder what the fire service plan of action is now if EV are involved in a crash etc.
Dont get me wrong, As I think great technology but would you take your family in a Leaf down West Coast or along Desert road. Some cars shouldnt exceed 5o km / hr and scoot around town.

Also they should be made to carry a Metal type fire extinguisher in Boot.

Cant help thinking they are going to cause more problems than they actually solve.
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May 3, 2021 8:17am
- Simon
  
  Those child slave labour cobalt cars are a disgrace.
  Shame on anyone who owns one. Shame.
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I would not go that far.
    
    But the rare earth minerals required for EVs do great environmental and human harm.
    
    https://interestingengineering.com/clean-evs-and-dirty-lithium-mining-business
    
    What gets me is that I have NEVER heard the EV cheer leaders in New Zealand acknowledge this fact, despite harrasing sectors like dairying for environmental pollution.
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:11am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      What gets me is the people who pretend to be concerned about child slaves mining cobalt, but who are not concerned about any other products of slave labour. Methinks they are just looking for something to tarnish anything that doesn’t rely on burning fossil fuels. See also: concern about windfarms killing birds.
      
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      May 3, 2021 11:16am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/434435/large-fire-at-scrap-yard-in-south-auckland This fire was caused by an EV car battery.
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:34am
- Hard Cheese
  
  I suspect this isn’t going to be widely reported on, the EV zealots will want it buried.
  
  Can’t say I’m that keen to have my family riding on top of a potential uncontrollable lithium-ion battery fire. Nor having one charging overnight right next to a 100+ year old timber villa, call me paranoid
  
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  May 3, 2021 12:04pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Exactly, Same as having one strapped to outside of the house for solar storage.
    Great for scooting from supermarkets and retirement villages for smaller models.
    
    Theres going to be a lot of unintended consequences thats for sure. Why does this sound so Normal //
    
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    May 3, 2021 1:55pm
- kowtow
  
  Great comment in the stuff story along the lines of the carbon emissions from that fire …..
  
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  May 3, 2021 12:30pm
- Keith White
  
  Sadly, metal fire extinguishers do not work. The batteries’ cells generate a series of seriously exothermic and self-sustaining reactions… you need many thousands of gallons of water to quench ’em.
  
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  May 3, 2021 6:55pm
kowtow

Another day , another anti Judith C cartoon from the Ferald.

The irony is it’s about the stealth labour “health” reforms (aka prototype apartheid) . Shows a skeleton rising from the grave meant to portray ’50’s attitudes ie racism .

But the skeleton is smoking ………the irony is maybe that’s one reason for “health disparities”.
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May 3, 2021 8:20am
Yvette

JibberJabber, kiwiblog General Debate yesterday, mentioned He Puapua, quoting it as a – piece of ~~word soup garbage~~ excellence compiled by UN aligned and sponsored Maori activists and useful pale woke idiots and added that Winston Peters called it “the final step on the road to separatism, this is the road to Zimbabwe”

And here is the missing link, to a 123 page version (rather than the TPK 37 page version) –
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/hobsonspledge/pages/2328/attachments/original/1618615862/He-Puapua.pdf?1618615862

Judith Collins in recent comments has touched on the existence of He Puapua – her references to it so far are rather vague, so her “separatism” label is not that clear, but ACT Leader David Seymour seems a little more direct –
Govt Must Reject He Puapua
ACT is calling on the Prime Minister to publicly reject the recommendations of a Cabinet-commissioned report which aims to give effect to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
“He Puapua represents a significant and serious departure from the idea that all New Zealanders are equal before the law,” says ACT Leader David Seymour –

In March 2019, Cabinet commissioned He Puapua and, after multiple requests, has finally released a heavily-redacted version of the report.
For those who believe this report can be easily dismissed and isn’t going anywhere, some parts of He Puapua are already being implemented by the Government – for example, exempting some Māori land from rates, establishing Māori wards, giving Māori greater rights under the RMA, and a new history curriculum were all proposed by the report.

“Will the Government openly tell New Zealanders whether it intends to implement the remaining recommendations?”
The report proposes:
• A Treaty-based constitution
• Public education programmes across all sectors, including conscious and subconscious bias training, to deal with structural racism
• Significantly increased return of Crown lands and waters to Māori ownership in addition to Treaty settlements
• Progressively bringing all legislation into line with the Declaration
• A Māori court system
• A Māori Parliament. [1]

So, Andrew Little’s seemingly suddenly announcing the health section restructuring is one thing.
If it is a major move in implementing He Puapua, it is something quite different.

If it is a restructuring to deliver better health to Maori and is allotted 25% of budgeting rather than a population-related portion of about 16.5%, it would seem quite reasonable and could be an obvious improvement in health.
But if “the proposed Māori Health Authority will not only have the ability to commission its own work, but also the ability to veto decisions made by the government on general health – that is a veto power over $20 billion worth of government health spending” – then it is likely following another agenda.
That of He Puapua.

[1] Press Release: ACT New Zealand – https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2104/S00093/govt-must-reject-he-puapua.htm
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May 3, 2021 8:21am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Judith Collins didn’t pull any punches about He Puapua in her speech to the Northern Regional Conference at the weekend:
  
  The Government has commissioned work on this in the form of the report: He Puapua. I suggest you all have a read of it.
  
  This divisive government document spells out a clear vision for New Zealand in 2040 under a ‘two systems’ Treaty view.
  
  It includes two systems for health.[2]
  
  Two systems of justice.[3]
  
  There would be Maori governance in resource management.[4]
  
  Foreshore and seabed to Maori ownership.[1]
  
  The 2019 document proposes separate Māori wards in councils, which Labour has now done.[2]
  
  And, finally, and most importantly, constitutional reform to consider matters such as a Māori Parliament or upper house.
  
  I need to say that again, the Labour Government document, He Puapua, contemplates a separate Māori Parliament or upper house – able to veto any decision of the New Zealand Parliament.[3]
  
  So, my message to Labour is this: New Zealand cannot and will not accept the implementation of two systems by stealth.
  
  If Labour believes that the Treaty intended two systems for everything, and that this is the model we want in 2021, then this is a fundamental change to our society. We cannot accept this via a health reform, via Māori wards, and via justice changes.
  
  It has to be a national conversation – one that has honest, respectful and open debate. A debate where every voice is heard. A clear vision for where it leads, and one that goes to a referendum if needs be. It cannot be snuck through.
  
  Labour’s vision for New Zealand will divide us and take us backwards. By contrast, National will present a positive vision that takes us forward.
  
  https://www.national.org.nz/leaders-speech-to-2021-northern-regional-convention
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:46am
  - DeepBlue
    
    It even got flip flop Hooton to change his a.m. attack on Judith to support by the afternoon yesterday.
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:58am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Sounds OK from Judith so far. But having observed how things usually go down in NZ, the risk is that National will propose and implement a compromise position – whereby only about half of He Puapua is adopted.
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:18am
  - oldfella
    
    Tony, how about National puts together a concise one pager, with bullet points, along the lines of ‘Labour’s Road to Racial Separation’?
    Policy wonks will read long stuff, but not the average punter so make it a quick and easy read, and something that can be flicked on to friends.
    And keep updating it to show how each step in the road is being achieved (Maori Wards, etc).
    Then keep pushing Cindy, in the house, and in the media to please explain.
    Worth a shot.
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:30am
    - oldfella
      
      And in case anyone missed it, the always excellent Karl DuFresne weighs in on Maori Wards.
      http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2021/05/joyous-hugs-and-kisses-as-democracy.html
      
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      May 3, 2021 10:43am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      That will happen in due course, I’m sure. But Judith Collins still has more National Party Region al conferences to attend, and I suspect she’ll unveil a little more about National’s stance at each one.
      
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      May 3, 2021 4:47pm
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    Media coverage compared to what actually happened and what was disucssed were poles apart.
    
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    May 3, 2021 11:36am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Heather Du Plessis A. & the huddle comments are hating on Judity and calling her desperate instead of engaging with a legitimate topic.. Hayden Munro (I’m not sure why his opinion is of importance) has jumped the shark and says that Judith is just a racist cynical desperate politician and not worth commenting on . HdPA says Judith is desperate because it came out of the blue and they only invited junior media. But the topic of the co-governance arrangements are is worthy of a decent discussion. It fundamentally affects our democracy. It is THE issue that Judith should be talking about and the media and the left do their usual shut down techniques for any topic they don’t like by hard core name calling, cancelling you as a person, and avoiding discussing the topic. It’s about more than maori talking on maori issues as the Huddle commentators allege. Co-governance includes public land that we all share and those processes aren’t transparent. (eg. Waitakere Ranges please show me the board minutes for when Te Kawerau voted to put a Rahui on the Waitakere ranges. Who attended? Who voted? Who advised them. What information were they given about the testing? “Iwi” are now consulted about which tracks reopen . And only Iwi are consulted. Despite it being a regional park for all nzers. So which Iwi. Who attends? How many? Where is the discussions recorded?) We’ve had the health board that was going to prioritise Maori for health care on race. Seriously it is a topic that is fundamental to our democracy and should be talked about.
      
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      May 3, 2021 6:01pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Thanks, I only had the 34pp version on file. (I’m a squirrel for historical documents.)
  
  This is really a repudiation of the Treaty. Once we had a reasonable peace with a mixed society developing well. If they want utu back The criminal law will have to be substantially modified to allow physical Maori reductionism once again.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:17am
Paulus

The Herald has a leading article about a women who cannot find somewhere to live after many moves.
She is of course a solo mother with six children and the article says it is effectively unfair – with no answers.
Whilst I am sad too for the children, but why six.
How many different fathers are there and one must assume they are taking no responsibility.
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May 3, 2021 8:22am
- Bobba Fret
  
  How lucky that she can afford to have six children. Sarc.
  I don’t earn enough to have a family that big.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:15am
Ruawai

The real question should be why a Green Party candidate is buying a new car, not if NGR on a number plate is offensive.
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May 3, 2021 8:23am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Interesting that the offended chap’s name is James Crow. I wonder if he is commonly known as Jim…
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    And if he’s not young …….
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:35am
  - Chris2
    
    The James Crow complaining about the supposedly offensive NGR number plate was in fact the Green Party candidate for Napier at the last election. The story conveniently does not report that.
    
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-crow-48b0811a0/?originalSubdomain=nz
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:33am
    - doggone7
      
      “Conveniently” doesn’t report that? Is it relevant?
      
      Did it report on what his occupation is, which high school he attended, whether he has qualifications of some sort?
      
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      May 3, 2021 11:42am
      - Tall Man
        
        Pffttt
        
        Qualifications … green candidate …. Oxymoron.
        
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        May 3, 2021 1:06pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Because “everybody’s racist” is a political rallying cry of the Left and it’s quite important to readers to know that the guy crying “racism” is a Green Party operative – i.e. to take his offense with a grain of salt.
        
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        May 3, 2021 3:47pm
hullkiwi

During the course of the weekend Mrs HK had great joy in bringing to my attention a Newshub story, which was a case of we told you some and a great deal of laughter at the expense of the wok climate scare mob that infest govt, industry and our universities.

The story was about how researchers in the US are concerned that current climate change activism is looking the wrong way when it comes to addressing climate change and the environment. There research identified that correlating the doubling of the world’s population since the 1970s, so has the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere doubled. However, in a study of published work, there is only limited work being undertaken into the causes of population growth (or the need to control it) and the environmental consequences of unchecked population growth.

This is because politicians and vested interests don’t want to talk about it after the experience of China’s 1 child policy.

However, population growth and our consumption is the real elephant in the room that needs addressing! Not wok climate change.
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May 3, 2021 8:24am
- I remember when
  
  The increasing population growth and continued urbanisation make the ‘heat island’ impact an area that may require increased study.
  While the relatively small percentage of the earth they cover has lead to them being considered ‘minimal’ impact, the increases of daily minimum temperatures may be part of the result.
  Do they have an affect on the wind flow patterns with subsequent changes to local weather.
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:47am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hey, it might be possible to be concerned about climate change and over population. Most people can be interested in more than one issue at a time.
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:49am
  - I remember when
    
    You often have to identify the problem before you can provide a solution.
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:52am
- tedbear
  
  Speaking of elephants in rooms, the globe’s population almost at 8 billion and the the pollution they create does not change the weather patterns.
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:50am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Really? I think you need to look at the weather impact caused by populated centres in the world. I believe you will find it well documented that thermal patterns and wind patterns are impacted directly by the construction of cities.
    
    Secondly, over the past 3 generations humanity’s capacity to expand into most parts of the world environment has known very few limitations, and you do not believe our ability to consume does not change weather patterns? Have you been to any of the large open cast mines in Australia and seen the dust clouds created by human activity, or been to South Africa and seen the combination of burning dirty coal for energy and grassland burnoff – combined? I’ve seen the surrounding areas plunged into darkness with a noticeable change in temperatures (this happens regularly in South Africa from August through to October).
    
    Unlike the woke climate change community, I do not believe the headlong rush to decarbonisation by banning life as we know it is a solution for anything, but we the world does need to address the unlimited expansion of the world’s population, and consumption of limited resources in order to sustain an undefined notion that whatever we do will continue to improve our “standard of living”!
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:54am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Don’t confuse weather with climate. Urbanisation does alter the former (c.f. The urban heat island effect), but there is zero evidence of a causative relationship between human activity and climate. There are plenty of cherry-picked correlations than form the basis of the climate alarmist scare.
      
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      May 3, 2021 2:54pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        I’m not, weather patterns are not climate, but over time….
        
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        May 3, 2021 4:25pm
- kevn
  
  @HK… Never fear, Bill Gates has it in all under (his) control.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Not just Bill, and that is what is frightening. Gates is on record as saying “going green will cost us more”. Really? and why?
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:56am
Nickc2

Chinese have a 99-year lease on the port of Darwin.
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May 3, 2021 8:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and a 50% stake in the deep-water port at Newcastle
  https://www.portofnewcastle.com.au/about-our-port/
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:16am
  - Master Mariner
    
    My understanding Federal Gov overthrow B and R iniative for Melbourne which state premier signed off on as not being in the best interest of Australia.
    
    Darwin will be next I’m guessing as too “Strategic” a Port in regards too location etc.
    
    Did’nt know about Newcastle being Chinese controled?. Big Coal Port. Ill look into it.
    Thanks
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:39am
    - Paulus
      
      Understand that the Chinese manage the Panama Canal and as a result know everything that passes through – have done so for some time.
      
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      May 3, 2021 10:47am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Newcastle is at least part owned by the PRC along with many Fresh Water resources, power etc. The West is at long last waking up to what the PRC owns.
      
      They own the Port of Piraeus and to give them their due they have turned it around.
      
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      May 3, 2021 10:50am
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree. AFIK, the Fed Govt has torn up the Belt and Road agreement for Victoria. I wasn’t aware of the 50% share they (the Chinese) have in the Port of Newcastle. Yes, that would be a blow to the Aust Coal exports and economy but on a lighter side, most if not all Aust Coal is exported to China anyway.
      
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      May 3, 2021 11:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Puka.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:19am
- SB2
  
  Confiscation without compensation Bolshie style?
  
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  May 3, 2021 10:51am
- hullkiwi
  
  Is this not a sign of capitalist, globalisation at the ultimate extreme? That is putting commercial interests ahead of national security!
  
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  May 3, 2021 4:28pm
MCos

Temporarily refusing entry to Australians returning from India is one thing, but the threat of such heavy-handed punishments such as five years imprisonment if they return to their homeland is disgraceful.
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May 3, 2021 8:32am
Maggie Pie

Talking about the Chinese….just how low can the CCP go?
Over the weekend, their ‘Enforcement Police’ posted a message on Weibo (the Chynaa version of Twitter) mocking India’s Covid-19 outbreak.
They posted pics of China launching a rocket into space, alongside an image showing Indians cremating bodies. The caption read…..’Lighting a fire in China Vs lighting a fire in India’

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1388925744152289287
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May 3, 2021 8:36am
- EssenX
  
  In recent years, the CCP has changed from quietly establishing itself as a global power to becoming quite arrogant in the way it conducts its affairs. Given that the US is keen to self-destruct, they could have continued their path and would in 15-20 years be the global hegemon. I feel that their arrogance will come back to bite them on the bum, the Australians and Indians, in particular, are proud people that will fight to the death, and China is now making far too many enemies on too many fronts.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:19am
  - DeepBlue
    
    All is about to change. Jacinda told them this morning to act like the super power they are becoming. It comes with responsibilities.
    
    CPP are quivering in fear.
    
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    May 3, 2021 9:55am
    - Nickc2
      
      Hey, she means responsibilities for NZ. We will be the ones who have to bow down, tug our forelocks and kiss the arse of every Chinese official who comes to these shores to oversee their newly acquired South Seas territory.
      Wake up, Cindy is renowned for scribbling between the lines.
      
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      May 3, 2021 11:23am
    - Paulus
      
      I believe that using such Ardern diplomacy will damage us badly and very shortly – look at what the CCCP is doing to the Australian economy, and what it can do to ours in a very quickly if they want – even overnight as we already know.
      
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      May 3, 2021 1:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Plicks!!
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:15am
  - Keith White
    
    Agreed. The Indians are neither dumb nor toothless… maybe the CCP think they can be corralled like the Uighurs. They may find out the hard way that 1.4 billion annoyed Indians is pretty much a match for 1.4 billion oppressed Chinese, especially when a sizable fraction of the Indian population is well educated and tech-savvy.
    
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    May 3, 2021 7:00pm
Maggie Pie

And while I’m running hot…

Just how many pies does ClarkE have his finger in?

https://twitter.com/tibouchina47/status/1387877525376831488
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May 3, 2021 8:46am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I don’t understand how working people or ‘time poor’ people can’t buy a few days food while in the supermarket. Most offices have a one hour’s lunch break for shopping and a fridge to keep it in. Delivered food is a very expensive way to cope with that perceived ‘convenience’. My wife has trialed a delivered food box and was not happy with the freshness of the greens, nor the Chinese garlic.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:46am
  - Ehlana
    
    Inandout, I don’t think one hour lunch breaks are common, or an office fridge big enough to hold cold groceries – ours is taken up with milk and people’s lunches.
    Supermarkets are now open long hours and often conveniently located to main traffic routes, so I think most people can get their food from one in a weekly shop. Alternately, many now offer services to buy on line and pick up in store or have groceries delivered to your home.
    
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    May 3, 2021 11:14am
    - Keith White
      
      For many years I have grocery shopped with a motorcycle and store the cold stuff in a cooler that bungees on the luggage rack. If I do a lunchtime shop the cooler comes back with me into work and sits under my desk until home time.
      
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      May 3, 2021 7:02pm
igm

If this is asron, it will show how low a particular group in this country has become (obvious without naming).
https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-element-cse&cx=006730714154542492986:oh6vl0ybuqy&q=https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/northland/125002735/northland-130yearold-masonic-lodge-burnt-down-in-suspected-suspicious-fire&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjOyYaK1qvwAhUA8XMBHXT3D-gQFjAAegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw2nxULQSHiGYhGSW2FmweM2
Masonic Lodge do more for the community. with no publicity, than many of those who are vocal in criticism of them. Those possibly responsible will have benefited from this Lodge for sure.
I overheard some imbecile stating how he was proud to have declined invitation to join the craft. He was not only a big mouth. but a liar. No one is invited to join, they must make application and be thoroughly vetted, hence a decent and solid bunch of members.
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May 3, 2021 8:47am
- peterwn
  
  Oh, well, I will apply to join the Wellington Club then brag here about being declined.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    “I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member”
    – Groucho Marx
    
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    May 3, 2021 11:19am
    - Tall Man
      
      You are not alone in that opinion mikey 😉
      
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      May 3, 2021 2:38pm
- SB2
  
  (obvious without naming) ?
  
  Give it a go. What is there to lose?
  
  Local “Murri” activists?
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:02am
Zebulon

The government has been so “successful” in dealing with child poverty, child abuse and educational outcomes, that it now wants (via Pharmac) to reduce access to life saving cancer drugs for kids with cancer. Many adults with cancer in NZ die, who would have lived if they had been treated in Australia. Now the government has the chance to achieve the same pathetic outcome for children: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/441649/pharmac-likely-to-end-blanket-funding-for-kids-cancer-drugs?fbclid=IwAR3u8YUqso9a-UkiqsXv5ZzaS1rLMdVhgyiGfkaNc7lERPDNcePPHnd_-CM
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May 3, 2021 8:57am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Pharmac is the agency charged with distributing a limited budget across many different treatments for many different conditions. There is good reason to place their decisin-making at a remove from politicians susceptible to emotive campaigns, which are often backed by the pharmaceutical companies.
  No resource is unlimited, and any distribution of resources by formula will always have flaws. some patients in New Zealand will always be doomed because this country is not as wealthy as other countries.
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:25am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Pharmac attempts to make all medicines which are proven to be effective available. The do resist current new “flavour of the month” pharmaceuticals without a justifiable history. Also ones which are relatively overpriced and obtainable from other sources.
    Thankfully NZ is not like the USA where insurance coys rule and set patient pricing too.
    
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    May 3, 2021 1:36pm
I remember when

Just a thought, many Maori groups are having trouble maintaining their traditional marae activities.
So where are the people running the Maori Health Authority going to come from. Presumably not from the Maori working on the marae to keep it running.
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May 3, 2021 8:59am
- Paulus
  
  Where are the Maori Doctors, Nurses and all other Maori Health workers coming from.
  At 16% of the 5,ooo,ooo New Zealanders that equals 800,000 and how many qualified Medical staff will be required for this 800,000.
  Presumably they will all prescribe in Maori and converse in Te Rao.
  And whatever, guess who is going to have to pay.
  Presumably they will have their own Hospitals and associated long term facilities, and Medical Practices (Maori only – what is a Maori in medical terms).
  And who provides the unaudited Koha ?
  
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  May 3, 2021 10:59am
I remember when

How is the Maori Health Authority going to decide who is Maori.
Will waiting lists be on a seriousness of illness and percentage of Maori heritage.
Can I declare myself Maori if I want to advance up a waiting list for treatment.
Do I have to be on the Maori roll.
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May 3, 2021 9:06am
- kevn
  
  @I rem… Get a DNA test, you might get to be a special one.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:52am
  - Paulus
    
    A DNA test is expensive so who is going to pay that !
    
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    May 3, 2021 1:46pm
- MCos
  
  This is probably not the right place to find answers to your questions.
  
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  May 3, 2021 10:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Ya think?
    
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    May 3, 2021 11:25am
- Keith White
  
  Should I simply identify as a Maori female to move up the waiting list? After all, anyone who disagrees must be a race- and gender-bigot…
  
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  May 3, 2021 7:04pm
kevn

@igm… Whats the odds on some local scroungers wanting a handout and being told no?
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May 3, 2021 9:14am
- igm
  
  When attending lodge, members, in many cases, are now getting dropped off because cars have been interfered with.
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:23am
Maggie Pie

Remember last week I posted here about the ‘Famous NZ Sportsman’ facing serious drug charges who was fighting to have his name kept suppressed?

Well now he’s decided to OUT HIMSELF on Instagram!

The only reason I’m mentioning this again, is because three of the girls from tennis thought they knew who he was. All said it was someone different…..yet as it turns out, all were wrong!!
One had even fingered a white guy we knew 🙁
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May 3, 2021 9:15am
- fernglas
  
  You really should get south of Greenlane road some time.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Why? What’s there??
    
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    May 3, 2021 10:00am
    - fernglas
      
      Well, you could at least send one of your people.
      
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      May 3, 2021 12:03pm
  - EvoDriver
    
    Auckland doesn’t have a Greenlane Road.
    
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    May 3, 2021 11:33am
    - MCos
      
      Masterton does
      
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      May 3, 2021 10:03pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Maybe your girlfriends at tennis are correct. The perps just haven’t been outed yet.
  I’m sure there several persons into this caper.
  
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  May 3, 2021 9:50am
- Dougal10
  
  I had never heard of him , guess famous isn’t what it used to be.
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:23am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Who could have guessed that the girls from tennis would turn out to be know-nothing gossips?
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:26am
- doggone7
  
  Many media heads will be disappointed. imagine how many more clicks they could have tried to create and scored if it had been an All Black.
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:43am
Maggy Wassilieff

oh,oh,…

Pressure is going on our PM to toe the line…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125004384/jacinda-ardern-says-differences-with-china-are-becoming-harder-to-reconcile
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May 3, 2021 9:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I still hold some hope that our two main political parties will backtrack from twenty years of sucking up to the Beijing dictatorship.
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:33am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Are you going to play dressups and challenge them in Tiananmen Square?
    
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    May 3, 2021 1:26pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Agree in spirit. But I think the way to do it is to smile in public while quietly pulling away wherever possible in policy decisions – and always providing face saving excuses for China.
    
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    May 3, 2021 4:04pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Don’t bite the hand that feeds you is a reasonable precept.
  
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  May 3, 2021 1:29pm
  - Keith White
    
    Biting the hand that infects you is a reasonable tactic.
    
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    May 3, 2021 7:05pm
I remember when

Is the Early Childhood Education system going to need serious though in the near future.
In the past public kindergartens ran on much the same term system as the Primary and Secondary schools.
However, increasingly, they are starting to introduce session in what were the holidays.
As many of the younger teachers either have, or may look forward to having, their own children removing this parallel system presents problems for them.
Removing holidays means many teachers who are dual qualified may decide to cross over and become primary school teachers instead.
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May 3, 2021 9:21am
- Ehlana
  
  The Early Childhood Education system or the public kindergarten system? The public kindergartens may be responding to the needs of the public.
  If your family can afford a stay-at-home parent, you can choose between parent-led learning like Play Centre or teacher-led learning in the public kindergartens (school day pattern) or private ECE providers (working day pattern).
  If both parents have to work, only one of those options is realistic – private ECE. As more families need two working parents, private ECE is going to be more in demand.
  Among those where a parent can stay home, I suspect Play Centre may have advantages: it gets stay at home parents out of home and building community with other parents, while learning the ECE curriculum themselves (meaning they can make it part of home life too). Younger siblings can also attend sessions and a child’s independent days provide a break for home carer.
  
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  May 3, 2021 10:16am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Playcenter has become hopelessly mired in bureaucracy, requiring parents involved to do all sorts of additional bookwork and courses that make it additionally onerous – on top of which there is endless admin for ECE funding etc. Usual story really bureaucracy fucking everything they touch.
    
    Schools and kindies should be 8:30-5:30 for families with both parents working. Last couple of hours can be supervised fun (sports/play/art/homework). Few urban families can afford to not have both parents working and for those without grandparents etc to help afterschool care amounts to extra $100 a week per child (ie $150/week before tax) plus additional disruptive logistical issues of shifting kids around. All of which has escalated due to govt rules surrounding age at which kids may be left unsupervised (14 and up!). Schools can do supervision for $2 an hour, <1/4 of what it costs parents (in gross income).
    
    If we want to be able to replace our population then women who have kids (10% don't/can't) on average need to have 2.35 that means 2 or 3 needs to be normal. But govt has, via creeping regulation that has lifted house costs and supervisory safety requirements for kids to make an NZ where 3 is tough (need above average income) and 4 almost impossible unless on welfare (what an insane state of affairs) or rich enough to have a stay at home parent.
    
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    May 3, 2021 1:41pm
Maggie Pie

What you wont see on our MSM is this Four Corners doco….
WHY IS CHINA PUNISHING AUSTRALIA?

It’s frightening what the CCP have done to our cuzzies across the ditch. Their wine, beef, lobster, and barley growers, have been decimated by the Chinese imposing tariffs……. solely out of spite!!

As one of the farmers sez: “We can’t just lay in the fetal position and let China kick us to death”

https://youtu.be/SShvYq5gQ2U
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May 3, 2021 9:40am
- SB2
  
  Diverify is the answer. But to where?
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:09am
  - sooty
    
    I don’t care where, just go and soon!
    
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    May 3, 2021 12:40pm
kevn

@Maggie… NZ is all good. Our oil and gas reserves are on hold.
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May 3, 2021 9:48am
- SB2
  
  Apart from those in Taranki
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:10am
DeepBlue

Where are the sensible people in politics? Kathy Spencer(ex MoH, Treasury etc) gives excellent analysis (behind Herald pay wall ) of how to fix health. Hint it is not what Andrew Little has dumped on us without detail. Reshuffling to Wellington is not the answer.

Bring in one IT system so all medico can see your notes, increase GP’s in all areas, import GP’s while NZ is an attractive place to work, increase access to specialists etc. I.e.just start by fixing the worst problems first. None of this needs a major structural overhaul.

Also Min of Health has been restructured 5 times in last 10 years, last was by Dr Bloodfield in 2018. He has appointed Directors of Health including one for Maori. Let that person get on with whatever they have been planning.
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May 3, 2021 9:50am
RW Capitalist

AM Show this morning
1. On the “ticker tape” across the screen.
“Housing demand up, supply down”
We have been saying this is the cause of the problem over the past 4 yrs, but Robertson has been claiming it’s low interest rate.
2. The poll on lunches in schools, sort of went against their promotion, No’s win.
My only question, If kids aren’t being fed by their parents…surely that’s child abuse and neglect.
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May 3, 2021 10:29am
oldfella

For something completely different….
How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive!
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-the-ballpoint-pen-killed-cursive?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Any of the keyboard warriors on KB even remember how to write with a pen? 😉
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May 3, 2021 10:39am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I remember, teachers, with all the will in the world, still received script worthy of a Dr.
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:00am
- Nickc2
  
  But hey, the POTUS signs all his Presidential Memoranda using a Fountain Pen so all can’t be bad can it? If you are in the vicinity when he signs, he may even give you one of his pens as a memento.
  Oh, but I forgot, he’s real real old isn’t he and rather senile and decrepit as well eh.
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:39am
- GJM
  
  I still use a fountain pen. It hasn’t helped my writing at all.
  Aliexpress has some good fountain pens for $10
  
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  May 3, 2021 8:37pm
RRM

Test.
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May 3, 2021 10:44am
- Tall Man
  
  Tickle 😉
  
  https://www.jokespinoy.com/english-jokes/tickle-me-elmo-joke/
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Which ones? Blackcaps versus England and India, or All Blacks versus Italy?
  
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  May 3, 2021 11:35am
SB2

The blatant lies and misinformation by US Republicans , the far right and their KB apologists promoting about the so called “border crises.”

From an open conduit for Jihadists /Terrorists, a border that has been taken down to spreading Covid .You name it the US right are into it with an open slather lies about Biden’s so called ‘border crisis.’

Here’s the truth.

From claims that terrorists are invading via Mexico to lies about migrants bringing Covid-

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/there-are-lot-lies-about-biden-s-border-crisis-here-n1262051
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May 3, 2021 10:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ho ho ho… Truth from MSNBC?
  
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  May 3, 2021 1:20pm
- theoldbloke
  
  Heres the truth???
  
  You did read and realise that this column is an OPINION PIECE??? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I read the article hoping to discover the truth.
  
  Unfortunately all I found was cherry picked items of information cloaked in opinion.
  
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  May 3, 2021 1:29pm
  - SB2
    
    An opinion piece that is the truth.Thats the bottom line.
    
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    May 3, 2021 2:11pm
- pseudonymous
  
  Have you finished tidying up your sock draw?
  
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  May 3, 2021 4:04pm
Greg Ettridge

Interesting article in Courier Mail in Brisbane this morning it is pay walled.
Nurses union conducted a survey with 1,000 nurses on compulsory vaccine laws.
the results surprised me, do they know something we don’t.
70 % cannot be anti vaxxers.
comment from article
“They have told us that they feel the vaccine is ‘too experimental’ and they are very worried about the clot problems. In our survey 73 per cent of nurses said they disagree with the jab being mandated.”
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May 3, 2021 11:47am
- kowtow
  
  Not surprised in the least , german medicos also very hesitant.
  Sadly govts are pushing the vax message , so they can re open.
  
  Problem is , it was govts that did the closing .
  
  Now they’re stuck and must push the vax programme.
  
  I don’t trust govts , I don’t trust their messaging , I don’t trust vaccines that have been rushed to market simply because govts are now literally desperate to reopen societies that they shut down.
  
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  May 3, 2021 2:21pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I was discussing the clotting issue with a friend in Oz. She had practiced medicine for 40 years. While generally supportive of vaccines, her comment was the clotting issue is significantly harmful than the statistics suggest, mainly because of where they form. “They are not comparable to regular clots” were her exact words.
  
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  May 3, 2021 2:44pm
doublehappy

What a disgraceful post by David Farrar today. Though actually factual it is no better than what we have come to expect from MSM both here and in the USA. Pick out one cheating person and ignore a truckload of false ballots, fed through the machines after all the regular ballot people have been sent home. I would have expected better!
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May 3, 2021 12:26pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Agreed. DPF’s TDS is unfathomably deep. It has blinded him to anything other than the hateful, anti-Trump narrative.
  
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  May 3, 2021 2:39pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Disliking Trump seems pretty sensible. He’s an extremely unlikable person, a distracted superficial bullshitter who has blustered his way through life.
    
    Problem is that he was better than the alternative (Biden+ other DNC frontrunners) in terms of his broader policy objectives that were aimed at helping more economically vulnerable working classes.
    
    If DNC had put forth a decent centrist candidate (maybe Tulsi?) and abandoned the identity politics/open boarders agenda and taken a harder line on China then I am sure that a lot of Trump voters would have sensibly shifted to them. DNC could have won the election fair and square then.
    
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    May 3, 2021 4:28pm
    - Mike
      
      Meanwhile, in the real world, Biden’s agenda is showing about 60% approval.
      
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      May 3, 2021 6:13pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        actually more like 54% according to 538 poll of polls, lower than any post war president except Trump or Ford. And his disapprovals are rising steadily – up to about 41% now.
        
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        May 3, 2021 8:51pm
Maggie Pie

It had to come I guess 😀

What suburb are you?

https://twitter.com/engadget/status/1388252273483128833
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May 3, 2021 12:51pm
Swifty

I see again and for the umpteenth time SB2 has accused another KB poster of lying – and then, yet again, shown to be a fool.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/05/general_debate_02_may_2021.html#comment-2932867

The poster has provided the evidence that proves the correctness of their statement.

What will SB2 now do? Be a man and apologise for his incorrect slur – or slink away and pretend nothing happened as he usually does?

I know where my money is on. His character is obvious for all to see…….
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May 3, 2021 1:16pm
- kowtow
  
  I really don’t understand how and why anyone engages with the troll at all .
  
  It thrives on the attention.
  
  Simply down tick and move on.
  
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  May 3, 2021 2:22pm
  - Swifty
    
    Fair point kowtow but, equally, baseless accusations and slurs cannot be left hanging and must be challenged.
    
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    May 3, 2021 3:35pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      [while not strictly against the rules, the first part of your comment will do no good except inflame things, and makes a series of assertions about another commenter. Deleted by Mod] – chucking rocks at people is his raison d’etre, a complete nose to tail Troll. DPF has for inscrutable reasons decided to tolerate his malignancy. Only sensible option is to not read or respond, just downtick and move on.
      
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      May 3, 2021 4:36pm
      - Keith White
        
        “Batfink’s wings are like a shield of steel.” Remember that cartoon show?
        
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        May 3, 2021 7:08pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The attention he gets is a bit weird. People have even harassed him at his church.
    some people take blog comments a bit too seriously.
    
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    May 3, 2021 4:21pm
- Tall Man
  
  steffy be a man ……… “Ah I don’t think so Tim”.
  
  Might be too big an ask coz I don’t think steffy is of that particular persuasion.
  
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  May 3, 2021 2:35pm
Swifty

From the ‘you have got to be kidding me’ file.

Guy has a tablet stuck right in the middle of the windscreen – and then proceeds to run over and kill an elderly lady on an Auckland road.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fatal-crash-elderly-woman-killed-by-truck-that-had-a-tablet-obscuring-the-drivers-view/ODXQP6X7LJIESFCTY6ENL3YGAE/

Good grief.
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May 3, 2021 1:21pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Seems like manslaughter needs further investigation.
  
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  May 3, 2021 2:27pm
- Prince
  
  For his sake I hope he was on Meth.
  If not, he’s in big trouble.
  
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  May 3, 2021 3:47pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe he’s busy signing up fpr the labour party online.
    
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    May 3, 2021 4:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like the company that suppled the tablet is trying to distance itself from positioning the tablet.
  
  The delivery company, Kamush Freight Limited, told the inquest it provided tablets to drivers “however ,the placement … is left [to] the discretion of the drivers”.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/441669/computer-tablet-a-gross-obstruction-to-windscreen-of-truck-in-fatal-auckland-crash
  
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  May 3, 2021 4:20pm
Raphael

Has anyone on Facebook noticed the new thing that NZ Herald is doing? If the comments on an article don’t follow the Woke Narrative, they turn off the comments.
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May 3, 2021 2:32pm
- graham
  
  Hardly a surprise, Stuff were doing that years ago.
  
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  May 3, 2021 2:44pm
kiwikidsnz

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parent-shocked-and-lost-for-words-after-porirua-class-asked-to-play-racist-game/K5VXAKVJGLLVKKI7NPCZN2RI5U/
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May 3, 2021 3:17pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Seen something similar with a “re-enactment” grand kid was “asked” to do last year. Kid wasn’t comfortable about it ( due to gender & racial reversals) , nor were parents either. But this?
  We really do have real problems in this country with the education systems “application”.
  
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  May 3, 2021 4:14pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    maybe I should have clarified “early ( circa 1800’s) NZ re-enactment”
    
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    May 3, 2021 5:16pm
    - Tall Man
      
      So the “alien” thing isn’t a secret anymore???????
      
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      May 3, 2021 8:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  War games in the classroom.
  
  I wonder how the peace-loving Greens will swallow this one.
  
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  May 3, 2021 4:16pm
- Tall Man
  
  As I posted a few months ago, the “focus” for primary aged kids this year is to “unlearn racism” ….
  
  Thank god my kids are past this crap however the grandkids will be captured in the future I suppose.
  
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  May 3, 2021 4:57pm
kowtow

HDPA thinks the criticism of Hunt and the green going to a criminal fest is “shrill”
She says the gangsters are gangsters cos they were “rejected”

What the actual f#ck !
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May 3, 2021 4:16pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Hunt is quoted as saying he has a responsibility to ensure gang members are educated as to their human rights. Personally, I’d far rather his focus was on the human rights of the victims of gang crime, which have been so badly violated.
  
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  May 3, 2021 4:54pm
  - Mike
    
    Can he only choose one of those things?
    
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    May 3, 2021 5:32pm
  - SB2
    
    He did no such thing. He spoke to the gang in the context of human rights as part of exercising responsibilities towards others in our community.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018793953/declining-mongrel-mob-would-be-dereliction-of-duty-chief-human-rights-commissioner
    
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    May 3, 2021 6:28pm
- Tall Man
  
  Just following the script.
  
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  May 3, 2021 4:55pm
- Prince
  
  HDPA has always been a ‘gangs’ defender.
  That’s OK, at least she is consistent and makes her own mind up, not like the usual party line of most Media.
  
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  May 3, 2021 5:08pm
  - kowtow
    
    She can make her own mind up , fine .
    But being a defender ? That’s just wrong.
    
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    May 3, 2021 6:45pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Evolution has ensured that there is a strong instinctive attraction to hyper-macho aggressive bad boys in women (cos in dark distant past that used to be a better option than mating with herbivorous soy-boys). Men aren’t so irrational when it comes to assessing thugs and villains.
      
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      May 3, 2021 8:59pm
kiwikidsnz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300291188/new-zealand-passport-to-get-a-security-makeover

“The silver fern and coat of arms would remain on the cover. But one change was that te reo Māori would appear before English on the cover and throughout the book.”
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May 3, 2021 5:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nobody in the World understands this A tea rower shit – only those in NZ pushing their racist agenda
  
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  May 3, 2021 6:09pm
  - SB2
    
    There is always the option of burning your new passport when you present your overseas flight ticket.
    
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    May 3, 2021 6:35pm
  - Mike
    
    Sad!
    
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    May 3, 2021 6:58pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I know you are sad Mike. You are always sad – all day.
      But the leftie corksoakers on KB love you. SB2 will be on video shortly
      
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      May 3, 2021 7:07pm
    - Jack5
      
      Maori language primacy in the New Zealand passport will make it easier for international forgers.
      
      A passport is for international use, and English is the world lingua franca in travel, as well as in diplomacy, air and sea transport, trade, science, and academia.
      
      About 0.002 per cent of the world population speaks Maori. A similar proportion knows “Aotearoa” is the Maori name for New Zealand rather than a crater on the Moon.
      
      Non-Maori speakers won’t pick up Maori spelling errors or misuse of letters, in the way that English errors of forgers will be obvious to many people.
      
      The passport change is Woke bullshit.
      
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https://babylonbee.com/news/All-Scientists-Retire-After-Realizing-The-Science-Is-Now-Settled?
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Well well well.

Ms Ardern has finally responded to He Puapua. She has ruled out the idea of a Maori parliament, but other than that … silence.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-responds-over-maori-self-determination-report-he-puapua/XHHT3AD77XYT2JV2MJPWLES7PQ/

Good to see this is FINALLY getting some oxygen in the media.

The article describes the report as including “a roadmap to 2040 by which time various co-governance and Maori-run arrangements could be in place including a separate court and health system to address the huge inequities currently facing Maori.”

Oh, and apparently the ability of the proposed Maori Health Authority to veto decisions around general health decisions, is more about “making sure the Maori voice was heard on issues of concern” according to Ms Ardern.

“If we are to see a step-change in health, we need to make sure it works for every New Zealander.”

Blowed if I know how a Maori Health Board’s veto power makes sure that health works for the rest of us … apparently she didn’t see fit to expand on that.
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