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igm

This has been forwarded to MSM, where the hell is it?
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/documents-leaked-to-national-suggest-department-of-conservation-shake-up-is-on-the-cards/
Seems the $105 million is buying a partisan press and must be stopped at all cost.
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May 10, 2021 8:00am
- graham
  
  It is on the Herald website:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-and-act-raise-questions-after-leak-of-documents-parties-say-recommend-a-major-doc-shake-up/765TDFLUJGQWCBXOVIWN4VGW6Q/
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:30am
- The Feed
  
  Pedantic hat on – the proof-reading in that article is an absolute shocker.
  
  “The document, which National passed on to media this morning, outlines a number of draft recommendations from the Options Development Group – a body tasted with reviewing conservation policies.”
  
  “At Act party was also not happy with the recommendations; its leader David Seymour said they looked to him like “Foreshore and Seabed 2.0, but inland”.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:05am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    As a fellow pedant, I have to inform you that it’s the same everywhere. The standard of writing is incredibly poor in New Zealand, and seemingly more so in the media.
    
    Here’s one from $1uffed this morning, in an article about a boy with an unpleasant and terminal disease who had a fantastic trip throughout the South Island with his family, ticking off his bucket list items along the way:
    
    “As he settles back in at home after a six-week sojurn, Jacob is pleased to have created so many happy new memories with his family after packing in [a] lifetime of living into one trip, with fast cars, limos, submarines and helicopter rides.”
    
    For a start, it’s sojourn and not sojurn and it means the opposite of what the writer thinks it means. A sojourn is a temporary stay in one place; I think what he really means is “journey” but given he can’t even spell it, why should we be surprised if he doesn’t even know what it means.
    
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    May 10, 2021 1:29pm
    - The Feed
      
      Agreed. A journalist that writes well is rare.
      
      Obviously these news outlets don’t hire editors.
      
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      May 10, 2021 3:55pm
      - igm
        
        They seem to repeat verbatim CNN and Labour press releases.
        Nothing but taxpayer-funded woke crap.
        
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        May 11, 2021 6:57am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  There’s something a bit weird going on there.
  A great deal of the conservation estate has been gifted to the Crown by maori – in the lifetime of many still living.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:11am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    I think the “give” is custodianship.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:29am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    We cover all the costs of ownership and they actually own it.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:35am
Inandout

Our Jacinda has done a Winston and is slowly feeding us the marriage details…it will be in Gizzy. More info will be released to coincide with bad economic news.
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May 10, 2021 8:06am
- Ehlana
  
  I noticed that too.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:38am
- calendar girl
  
  Who really cares whether or not Ardern gets married, or wants to be fed details of the event?
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:25am
  - Flossie
    
    And did we really need photo and details of the card from her child (and a helper!) yesterday?
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:28am
  - Gravelroad
    
    “Who really cares etc” – the publishers of a lot of magazines will care.
    Lot of money to be made here.
    Bridal fashion supplements, honeymoon trips, what everyone wore – on and on with every aspect investigated for weeks.
    Hills Barry and Joke Tame will be there to cover it for the people.
    St Jacinda will also get a substantial payday as editors compete for publishing rights and access.
    It will all be soooo lovely…..
    
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    May 10, 2021 12:43pm
    - Unity
      
      This will be stretched out to eternity. She has absolutely no substance. She’s definitely our worst PM ever. Also surely she hasn’t set a good example to young people by having a child out of wedlock or am I just old-fashioned?
      
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      May 10, 2021 1:53pm
    - tui47
      
      The wedding itself will be jammed with virtue signalling touches to try to show what a everyday New Zealander Jacinda is. There will be a much faux Maori culture jammed in the proceedings as possible. It will not be the real wedding she would like it to be as she will be using it primarily for self promotion. She will tell us all how she wants a ‘simple’ event. Clarke may even purchase his suit from an op shop. Hollie Smith will be hired as the wedding singer. The media will publish the story under headings like: “Jacinda Ardern’s Heartwarming Wedding”. Hopefully the probable best man Brooke Howard-Smith will behave himself.
      
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      May 10, 2021 2:04pm
      - igm
        
        I thought the Bad Cheque would have been best man.
        
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        May 10, 2021 3:00pm
  - RF
    
    It’s going to get worse.
    
    Remember the 1pm stand ups when Ardern preached about COVID progress.
    
    Be prepared for 1pm daily progress reports about the wedding.
    
    I can hardly wait.
    
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    May 10, 2021 12:56pm
  - Simon
    
    “Who really cares whether or not Ardern gets married, or wants to be fed details of the event”
    
    She deserve everything she gets hooking up with Gayford.
    
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    May 10, 2021 1:02pm
  - Allan
    
    I’m with you I dont care what Ardern and the father of her child do. Her mere presence on TV irritates me immensely, I just cant stand the frowns, the flapping of the arms and faux concern. The direction that she and her Communist mates are leading this country on in my view is almost treasonous and I am totally opposed to everything that she is doing. Roll on the next election where hopefully sheepie will have arisen from the dead, realise the disastrous direction that the coutry is going on and kick them out and consign them to the dustbin. History I am certain will not look kindly on her time as PM.
    
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    May 10, 2021 2:25pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Sheeple of Gisborne are dancing on the streets after hearing the news that the Queen will be getting married in their village.
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:33am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Thank the lord it isn’t in Auckland
    
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    May 10, 2021 9:56am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The sheep will certainly be excited, rams in town.
    Don’t call Ardern Queen she not a male. She is supposed to be a servant of HM but forgets her place from time to time.
    If Cinders is the best Labour can do it time to get a new fire place.
    
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    May 10, 2021 9:57am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Let’s just hope that will be no sheep sacrificed and cooked for pre – champagne breakfasts, wedding day reception feasts and aftermath barbecues.
      @sheeplivesmatter
      I’m not too worried- I am sure Ms Ardern and her entourage are properly woke vegans.
      Sheep are more valuable as woolly voters.
      
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      May 10, 2021 1:26pm
  - Sacha
    
    I can see it now:
    Vows will be exchanged on the Marae & reception/after game function at Rhythm & Vines.
    
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    May 10, 2021 3:22pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      No, I reckon the wedding will be on the main stage at R&V at 11pm on New Year’s Eve, after which Mr and Mrs Gayford will do a set DJ’ing to see 2022 min.
      
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      May 10, 2021 5:03pm
      - sooty
        
        Thank god, she’s there and not here!
        
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        May 10, 2021 7:17pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  She can dribble all the information she likes, do I look like I give a fuck – sort of Catherine Tate with words provided by a Mr K Wilson of Sydney.
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:55am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  When the heat was on Mallard she made an announcement that an announcement about Te Wedding. (It’ll be in summer)
  Since that brought mockery, she’s made an announcement that she’ll announce a venue in Gisborne.
  (I note she hinted to the people of Hawke’s Bay that she might choose them, but hey, Gizzy is close by and that’s the same thing, isn’t it?)
  She’ll have to work harder on the dance of the seven veils if she wants the attention of the nation.
  The media are excited, but they are as out of touch with New Zealanders as Ardern is.
  Most couldn’t give a rotund rodent’s posterior about the Prime Minister’s forthcoming publicity show or her third rate hick-boy.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:32am
  - lifesgood
    
    Good lord, who cares? She has been living with her man, has a child to him, finally getting married is a bit of a joke, isn’t it?
    
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    May 10, 2021 12:25pm
- Paulus
  
  Gizzy is difficult to get to anyway so that will be
  limited to only the invited media, and magazines who pay.
  As if I care to the whole PR exercise.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:46am
  - sooty
    
    Travel will not be a problem with cindys private jet! It will pickup guests from any sealed runway in NZ!
    
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    May 10, 2021 7:20pm
- oldfella
  
  Inandout: next ‘feel good’ story will be Cindy’s covid jab. How much longer can she delay it?
  Or is there some other reason at play here?
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:55am
- doggone7
  
  Brilliant! She might want to have the besotted by the short and curlies with the drip feed but look how it lassoes the antis! Genius.
  
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  May 10, 2021 11:05am
- Paulus
  
  Just heard from friend in Gizzy – discussion on for Wedding – it is expected to be big Maori Wedding on Marae, and big procession through centre of the town (Can they borrow Queen Coach ?).
  Who will pay for all this prettiness and all the Kai for the week ?
  
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  May 10, 2021 1:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who will pay? You will
    
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    May 10, 2021 2:17pm
  - Westie Bob
    
    Oh unlimited kai will be collected under a customary permit.
    
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    May 10, 2021 4:31pm
Happychappy

Government commits $53 Million for Cervical Cancer.
Government makes pre – budget annoucement on womans health, but really who.could believe this Labour Government on promises they make.
Didn’t they also promise to build 100,000 houses under Kiwibuild in ten years while only achieving around 550 in nearly four years.
Didn’t they also promise to have light rail in Auckland up and running in their first term of Government which even now is still not even past the bookwork let alone being ready run.
The there is the promise to be the most honest and transparent Government in our history which would be the joke of the century in most people’s eyes.
While I know Cervical Cancer has to be a priority how can Labour even play with peoples lives when they already know this won’t be available until 2023.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/budget-2021-government-commits-53-million-to-help-fight-cervical-cancer/M5BYONJYBWRENV76UX6KLA6OIY/
Will this be another of Labours all talk with no substance as it has become a trait for many Government Ministers.
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May 10, 2021 8:06am
- DeepBlue
  
  It seems like most of this is for another IT system. We must have one decent, integrated health IT system. Last week it was $38M for the Vax IT.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:41am
  - DeepBlue
    
    And yesterday also announced “The upcoming Budget, due to be announced on May 20, will include $55.6 million to upgrade of the Information Technology systems used for the breast cancer screening programme,’
    
    Why can’t there at minimum be one IT system for women’s health, same person, just different bits to poke and prod. better still one for all health.
    
    That’s $150M on 3 separate health IT systems. No wonder Gvn want central command and control of Health.
    
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    May 10, 2021 9:53am
    - Paulus
      
      All has to be for Women as they are her voters.
      
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      May 10, 2021 1:40pm
      - Countrygirl
        
        Not me!
        
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        May 10, 2021 7:07pm
- surfing
  
  I believe this funding is targeted only for maori women though (and maori transexual women who feel it is anti trans to exclude them).
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:43am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You misspelled wahine and persons with a cervix.
    
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    May 10, 2021 12:51pm
  - Ruawai
    
    How will the good doctor do a pap smear of a trans women? Or will they just pretend?
    
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    May 10, 2021 2:40pm
- Paulus
  
  Gunna Government – gunna do this and gunna do that, and actually sweet FA.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:48am
- Maxx
  
  It isn’t just the big projects either. Committing $$$ for mental health (another flagship of Arderns) and it’s still floundering with hardly any of it spent or allocated.
  
  Here’s a suggestion for the MSM – whenever Labour announce a new policy, ask for an update on all other announcements and how they are tracking. Labour – lets announce this!
  
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  May 10, 2021 11:28am
Maggie Pie

If Helen thought the crowd at ‘Six60’ were a problem….
wait till Thursday 😛

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1391439881247678464
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May 10, 2021 8:07am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, most of the women will be wearing face masks anyway.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:17am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Only to hide their bruises . . .
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:16am
- Scott
  
  Maggie – that will be all good according to Helen. It was the same in the United States when black lives Matter rioted during the lockdown. The authorities said it was all okay. Trump rallies – no good, Black Lives Matter Demonstrations – all good, move on nothing to see.
  
  In New Zealand Muslims gathering for prayer – a wonderful expression of diversity. Anyone who disagrees is probably a racist. I think that probably sums up Helen’s thinking? 🙂
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:20am
  - Batman
    
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    Well, Trump rallies spread a disease and insane conspiracies like the Q nonsense. So there was certainly negative impacts from them.
    
    Why bring up the Muslim community if only because you want to be justified in your antipathy against a religious minority, ironically.
    
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    May 10, 2021 8:31am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Well I don’t need any justification for my antipathy towards a death-cult masquerading as the “religion of peace™” thanks
      
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      May 10, 2021 9:10am
      - Batman
        
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        By this logic, every Irishman is guilty for the crimes of the IRA and every white person is guilty for the crimes of the KKK.
        
        This is either very lazy or very stupid.
        
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        May 10, 2021 9:14am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Wong Batman. It is very lazy and very stupid.
        
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        May 10, 2021 10:08am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        1. Some Irishmen are loyalists
        
        2. Why it’s almost as if you missed the whole BLM movement which says exactly that
        
        If you’re going to indulge in guilt by association, as the modern left is more than happy to do, don’t be surprised to find it cuts both ways
        
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        May 10, 2021 10:57am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        OK both of you.
        
        What’s the accepted punishment for apostacy in each and every strand of Islam?
        
        Now find me a strand of any flavour of Christianity that advocates death for the same “crime”
        
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        May 10, 2021 10:58am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        And yes, I hold every supporter of militant Irish republicanism and militant loyalism culpable for the crimes committed in their names
        
        You make the standard leftist error of conflating Islam (a deeply unpleasant ideology) with individuals in attempt to frame the discussion as racist
        
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        May 10, 2021 11:29am
    - doggone7
      
      Maybe the downticks are because people don’t believe Trump rallies spread a disease and insane conspiracies like the Q nonsense.
      
      around the time of those rallies there sure was a lot of disease being spread, Covid and mental and the insane conspiracy nonsense.
      
      Maybe it was incidental, like the Capitol happening to be invaded on the same day Trump made a ‘speech’ up the road.
      
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      May 10, 2021 11:12am
zulumonster

It is ridiculous that a cartoonist has to provide a footnote to their cartoon to advise people not to get upset as it’s “Just a Bit of fun”. Are we really that sensitive and intolerant now?
By the way – the cartoon itself is not funny …
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/109548012/emma-cook-cartoons
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May 10, 2021 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  ‘She’s a bold addition to Stuff’s line-up of talented illustrators.’
  
  That’s the funny bit.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:42am
- Inandout
  
  zulu, shows how low our cartoon standards have slipped. Cartoons used to be edgy and quite clever but now the political ones in stuff and horrid are woke-nasty.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:52am
- Rumblestrip
  
  Key job description for Stuff cartoonists is to be hopelessly woke and humourless
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:59am
- The Feed
  
  “this person can draw and is wet dripping woke”
  
  Hired!
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:15am
- Loddenthinks
  
  If she’s “living a dream 40 years in the making, having become a cartoonist” then either she needs to dream much much smaller, or it was actually a screaming nightmare.
  
  Zero talent in evidence, either artistically or (far more importantly) biting wit or humour. Also stupid – the question asked is if any of it is edible, yet everything on display in the fridge is a drink.
  
  Side note – has anyone in the history of Mothers Day done the shopping as a gift? I never have, and have never heard of it.
  
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  May 10, 2021 1:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour having a rethink….

More than 30 years after the Fourth Labour Government’s Tomorrow’s Schools reforms devolved governance to elected school boards, Haque said it was time to dramatically shift the balance back the other way.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-takes-back-control-of-school-property
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May 10, 2021 8:14am
- Lance
  
  The key word being “control”.
  Bru hu hu ha ha ha
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  This will end very badly and hasten the creep towards private education. Private schools must be licking their lips.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:23am
- KevO'Brien
  
  If it is not under govt control it’s not Labour.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:52am
- Nickc2
  
  Another publicly owned entity being handed over to Maori control?
  Your kids may not be able to read, write and solve mathematical problems but they will be able to jump up and down on the spot, wave a stick around, poke their tongues out and bare their bums. That’ll stand them in good stead for a job in the corporate sector – NOT.
  Private Education will thrive until Hipkins outlaws that too just as he did for Charter Schools.
  
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  May 10, 2021 12:07pm
Scott

On all things Trump I just finished reading “The Permanent Coup” by Lee Smith. Smith sees Joe Biden as an avatar for the third term of Barack Obama. Obama still lives in Washington and is still directing things behind the scenes according to Smith. He was the mastermind behind the two impeachment plots against Pres Trump.

John Brennan, the FBI and other deep state figures worked with the media to push the collusion narrative, that Donald Trump is in the pocket of Vladimir Putin and is a traitor to his country. Obama’s White House was behind the unmasking of Gen Flynn, behind the FISA applications to spy on Carter Page, which enabled them to spy on the Trump campaign.

The Russian collusion narrative was defensive, to take the public’s attention off Hillary Clinton’s emails. And it was offensive, to handicap the incoming president and make it impossible for him to implement his agenda.

Obama was also deeply involved in the Ukraine narrative. The Ukraine impeachment also had a defensive component, to take the public’s attention away from Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and their corruption. It also had an offensive component, to handicap Pres Trump and his bid for re-election.

So Smith believes that what we are witnessing right now is Obama’s third term and Joe Biden is merely an avatar for the implementation of Obama’s leftist globalist agenda.
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May 10, 2021 8:17am
- Batman
  
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  So you read a racist conspiracy novel and believed the insane rubbish in it? Yikes.
  
  Always remember what Trump said about Flynn when he fired him. He lied so he was fired.
  
  Also keep in mind that Flynn is now a Q crank, promoting the idea that Trump will be reinstalled as dictator after the joke audit in Arizona.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:35am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There is a quiet insurrection becoming evident over the voting. Fraud on that scale with the evidence in the public domain cannot be contained.
    A cyber attack by China seems to be being affirmed. What then?
    
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    May 10, 2021 8:57am
    - Don Beckett
      
      See Trump is still living rent free in Batty Boy’s head. 🙂
      
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      May 10, 2021 12:25pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Bats in the belfry Don, that’s all it is.
        
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        May 10, 2021 1:02pm
  - Inandout
    
    Bat, the term ‘racist’ is a meaningless and grossly overused term to the point it is either mildly amusing or plainly a diversion. Remember when the term was first trotted out it was ‘racialist’ but the radicals at the time thought it didn’t have the same spitting impact as ‘racist’.
    
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    May 10, 2021 9:23am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Could you please provide a link to a credible explanation of the etymology of ‘racist’ versus ‘racialist’?
      
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      May 10, 2021 10:11am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I thought your question interesting, so Googled it and found an answer in a few seconds. You could do that too, if you weren’t so intellectually lazy.
        
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        May 10, 2021 1:05pm
      - Mike
        
        And did your googling substantiate that claim?
        
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        May 10, 2021 2:41pm
    - MCos
      
      Neither word is a ‘term’.
      Both racialist and racist mean the same thing. Someone who believes that one particular race is superior (noun). Also used as an adjective.
      
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      May 10, 2021 10:16am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        That’s quite incorrect. Racialism is the belief in the existence and significance of racial differences, but not necessarily that any hierarchy between the races exists. Racialists typically reject claims of racial superiority.
        
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        May 10, 2021 1:07pm
  - RoboRob
    
    I haven’t read the article referenced so don’t know if it is rubbish or a conspiracy theory. I am pretty sure you haven’t read it either.
    
    It is very dangerous when people decide on a particular view and then rule out even listening to other views by classing things as ‘conspiacy theories’, ‘joke audits’ etc.
    
    I have yet to see any hard proof of enough vote manipulation to claim that trump won the election. But it seems to me there is nothing wrong, in a healthy democracy, with auditing and testing systems. Remember in the Bush / Florida election the Dems spent months challanging results and claiming an unfair election. Why when they do it is it ‘democratic process’ and when the right does it they are ‘insane’ or ‘conspiracy theorists’?
    
    It is in totalitarian states where people aren’t allowed to challange election results.
    
    Disclaimer. I think Biden won. I think there are many Trump crazies and conspiracy theorists. I think there are valid questions around the election process and to class anyone that raises an issue is unfair.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:40am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Go here to explore the increasing case being put together.
      https://lindelltv.com/
      
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      May 10, 2021 1:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump will be back. What will be your answer to being wrong Batman?
    
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    May 10, 2021 2:24pm
Maggie Pie

ClarkE’s handwriting looks to be improving…. 😀

https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1391315267121156104
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May 10, 2021 8:21am
- Happychappy
  
  And the media drool over Jacinda’s insinuation that it’s something done by her 2year old daughter. This is what parents used to tell their children when they were young, it starts with a tiny wee lie and will grow bigger as you get older that just confirms what people say about Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister, she couldn’t lie in bed straight.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:30am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Looks more like one of the carers writing to me.
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:23am
  - sooty
    
    The nanny?
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:37am
    - zulumonster
      
      Chippy or Grant?
      
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      May 10, 2021 12:22pm
    - oldfella
      
      Careful, sooty. Be very careful… 😉
      
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      May 10, 2021 12:59pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is N. doing law drafting too?
  This looks fake and from the PM too!
  Is this a blatant lie to the country?
  Someone who is not trustworthy in small matters how can they be trusted in matters of State?
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:04am
  - Biscuit
    
    Jacinda will be conference-calling all her media pals today.
    
    ‘Look, you lot, this was a VERY amateurush attempt at pretend-two-year-olding. I’m not flinging a hundred mill of my taxpayers’ money your way for such sloppy work.
    And while I’m at it I was shocked on ‘Breakfast’ this a.m., John, to not see ANY footage of our Trevor (he’s a good man, really) helping that little old lady across the street yesterday. You all got the ‘Be There!’ instruction. What friggin’ gives, eh? I can EASILY send your next instalment of ‘Keep The Media On Our Side’ money somewhere else, you know. And, I would remind you, Tova, Jack and Jessica, that we are still drawing up the Wedding Invitations list…
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Uptick x 20
      
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      May 10, 2021 2:26pm
  - Flossie
    
    And I thought her family were meant to be private i.e. not for politicizing.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Depends who gets political mileage out of it. One way good, other way bad
      
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      May 10, 2021 2:29pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  A not yet three year old tot wrote that, utter bollocks!
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:21am
  - sooty
    
    Labour working group?
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:38am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Correct on both counts.
    
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    May 10, 2021 1:08pm
Swifty

The Greens say “state regulation and control has gotten us into this housing mess and it’s more state regulation and control that’s going to get us out….”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/renting/124995569/explainer-what-are-rent-controls-and-would-they-actually-make-things-better-for-renters

I don’t think in my forty years of following NZ politics I’ve ever come across a group of people: 1. so ideologically blinkered and 2. who repeatedly front with policies which will destroy their ability to deliver the outcomes that say they seek and 3. repeatedly front with sticking plasters rather than addressing the core issues.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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May 10, 2021 8:25am
- KevO'Brien
  
  …will not see. Cannot more like.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:58am
  - Swifty
    
    No, will not, as in refuse.
    
    They can see, but just will not do so. It goes against their ideology.
    
    An example – by any reasonable measure, free markets have delivered absolutely wonderful results for billions of people around the world for several centuries now – while other systems have delivered nothing but misery, starvation and murder.
    
    But there are some people who just refuse to concede this point. Not because it is not true – but because conceding that point would be, for them, a sign of weakness and go completely against their world view.
    
    They are dishonest, to us and to themselves.
    
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    May 10, 2021 9:08am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I didn’t even give them the ability to think. Sub-moron grade.
      
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      May 10, 2021 10:06am
      - Swifty
        
        Heh – fair enough.
        
        Your call.
        
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        May 10, 2021 10:11am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  That’s pretty standard.
  
  You create a problem then magically you are the answer to the problems, you have created, when you make it worse, you blame everybody else, in particular those who actually are part of the solution, the answer is that you have the answer to the problem.
  
  Trust us we know what’s best and are here to help.
  
  Be afraid.
  
  The only truth is the truth we tell you.
  
  Be very afraid.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:33am
- Loddenthinks
  
  WRT no 3 – it might look like a sticking plaster, but it’s really a jab in the wound with a rusty knife and a good turn.
  
  As with Treasury’s advice to this useless government on the matter of housing “reforms”, the actions they took were worse than doing nothing. Let that sink in.
  
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  May 10, 2021 1:10pm
Ruahine

Interesting comment on the effect of Covid shutdown (lockup).
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/523204-left-lockdown-end-anxiety/
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May 10, 2021 8:34am
Martin Williams

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Ultra right-wing terrorists kill 70 schoolgirls in Kabul.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/05/68-killed-165-injured-by-bomb-attack-outside-afghanistan-school.html
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May 10, 2021 8:40am
- Nukuleka
  
  Ultra right-wing ‘Muslim’ terrorists… There, fixed it for you, Martin.
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:07am
- Swifty
  
  That post is beneath you Martin.
  
  You would equate conservative KBers with fanatical ultra-religious types who would bomb young girls for going to school or co-religionists merely for having a different theology?
  
  You say that we are down on all fours with these people?
  
  And you reckon we are the nasty ones.
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:12am
  - Local Miller
    
    Sorry, reported you by mistake, fat fingers.
    
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    May 10, 2021 9:26am
  - Yabster
    
    its not beneath him- he has demonstrated that constantly.
    
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    May 10, 2021 9:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Most ultra-religious people are also ultra-conservative.
    No one is equating anyone here with terrorists.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:13am
    - Martin Williams
      
      Most ultra-religious people are also ultra-conservative.
      
      Correct.
      
      I’m sure no-one here sanctions these atrocities. It’s just that political and religious conservatism go hand in hand and at the extreme end it is all too violent.
      
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      May 10, 2021 11:36am
      - Swifty
        
        ALL extremism ends in violence Martin, including extremism on the so-called ‘left’ of the spectrum -as we’ve seen to our horror and disgust during much of the 20th Century.
        
        I grant you political and religious conservatism CAN go hand-in-hand, but my political conservatism (if I am to give a simple one-word label to my outlook and, views and positions on hundreds of societal issues) certainly doesn’t – in fact I’ll wager I am at least as ‘liberal’ as you on many, many issues if not more so.
        
        Bottom line is these simple, primitive labels suck these days and are used more as clubs against opponents as they are useful descriptors of ones political and moral positions.
        
        And I say again, your attempt to smear KBers with the recent murderous deeds of Islamofascist child-killers was beneath you.
        
        We don’t deserve that and you should take it back.
        
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        May 10, 2021 1:31pm
- kowtow
  
  They cannot be described as ‘right wing’ in any way at all.
  
  They do not believe in individual freedom , rights ,autonomy etc
  
  If anything they’re more like the far left BLM etc as they believe in group and identity politics and use violence , coercion to get what they want.
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:17am
  - Swifty
    
    It just goes to show how, kowtow, how debased and useless the ‘left/right’ continuum has become in describing someone’s political viewpoint.
    
    When Martin says ‘right-wing’ he means Nazis or religious fundamentalists and anyone else he hates – whereas when we say ‘right-wing’ we mean libertarian, small-government, freedom-loving, free traders. Well, I certainly do anyway.
    
    The bottom line is though, Martin, and some of his fellows, just drips with hate for those who don’t agree with his worldview. He comes here and demonstrates just and exactly that regularly with little other than nasty oneliners.
    
    I should be quick to add though – it’s very hard to know what Martin’s worldview is – you’ll notice that he rarely even hints at it, let alone spells it out and argues for it – all he does when he comes here is but drip venom and drool his hate – today being no exception.
    
    A pity – but there you go.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:10am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Since when was ‘individual freedom’ to sole preserve of the right wing?
    “Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!”
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:15am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Since you ask Mike, the answer is that individual freedom has been the sole preserve of right wing ideology since forever.
      
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      May 10, 2021 10:41am
      - Mike
        
        Really, so conservative opposition to such things as universal suffrage was about individual freedom?
        
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        May 10, 2021 2:46pm
      - Swifty
        
        Workers of the world, unite! And you can swap their chains for our chains!
        
        🙂
        
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        May 10, 2021 3:04pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Um, socialism is all about group think / collectivism. It is all about the individual being less important than the majority. Mike, if you think otherwise you might want to rethink your politics 🙂
      
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      May 10, 2021 10:44am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      How did that work out for those people? They were much worse off. Different coloured chains are still chains.
      
      The issue is that Left and right are on the X-Axis and relate mainly to financial ideals.
      
      The Y-Axis relates to freedom and authoritarianism.
      
      Generally speaking, the religious authoritarianists are very high on the the Y-Axis (obviously) but that has no bearing on where they sit on the X-Axis. A lot of Christian Conservatives are on the Right, but not all but that doesn’t mean that all religious conservatives are.
      
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      May 10, 2021 11:13am
- alloytoo
  
  Just couldn’t bring yourself to say “Islamist militants?”
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:20am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Right-wing (ultra conservative) Islamic soldiers?
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:16am
    - BananaLlama
      
      Left-wing (ultra conservative) Islamic voters?
      
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      May 10, 2021 11:02am
  - kowtow
    
    The BBC and co call them militants , which is of course a woke euphemism for terrorist.
    
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    May 10, 2021 11:13am
- Local Miller
  
  @Martin & Mods – Martin’s comment here should be deleted as hate speech. There is no mention anywhere in the article of any of the following words:
  Ultra, Right-Wing, Terrorist.
  As I see it martin has tried to imply that some white, ultra-right-wing organization is responsible for this, which is clearly not the facts behind the article.
  What happened to truth!
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:25am
  - Swifty
    
    “Martin’s comment here should be deleted as hate speech. ”
    
    Can’t agree with you there Local Miller.
    
    I say Martin should have every right to think and say as he sees fit – and we get the chance to see the glowing orb of hatred and ugliness in his chest which fuels his comments here.
    
    Martin, of course, will be an avid supporter of Labour’s proposed hate-speech legislation and wouldn’t similarly accord the rest of us the right to think and speak freely.
    
    No, he would use the power of the state to have us all silenced.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:17am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Well said Swifty. Sunlight and ridicule is the best way to deal with views such as his/its/theirs/whatever.
      
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      May 10, 2021 1:13pm
      - Swifty
        
        That’s my view.
        
        Those who think by suppressing speech they hate that the speech will just magically go away are in for a rude shock.
        
        It won’t, it’ll just fester and grow, albeit hidden.
        
        Better to have it in the open. And dealt with through the use of more speech, not less.
        
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        May 10, 2021 1:38pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “What happened to truth” ….. Rhetorical I assume.
    
    ardern removed the need for that when she was appointed by “what’s in it for wynston” then proceeded to win an election based on lies, half truths and false promises.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:43am
    - Paulus
      
      When will the secret Wynston/Cindy agreement be leaked ?
      
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      May 10, 2021 1:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Never – it has been ‘lost’
        
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        May 10, 2021 2:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So, you make a slimy hit to score a point and don’t give a stuff about the young women killed and those whose education will be cut short again.
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:35am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    He misses the point by a country mile, Maggy.
    
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    May 10, 2021 1:14pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Islam is a left wing religion.
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:56am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Feel free to point out the ‘left wing’ characteristics of Islam.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:17am
    - BananaLlama
      
      Jacinda Ardern wearing a Hijab.
      
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      May 10, 2021 10:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Boom
        
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        May 10, 2021 2:34pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Well in NZ they seem to want more state funded welfare for themselves.
      
      That seems typical lefty behaviour to me.
      
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      May 10, 2021 10:39am
    - Swifty
      
      Feel free to point out characteristics of the ‘left wing’ – ’cause I admit to be struggling to do so at times.
      
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      May 10, 2021 10:41am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Islam is a cult.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:25am
  - Swifty
    
    Islam is a totalitarian political system with religious underpinnings.
    
    People miss the bigger picture when they refer to Islam as ‘just’ a religion.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:25am
- Tall Man
  
  You reveal yourself to be a liar, just like your leader.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:38am
Maggie Pie

Despite yesterdays despicable attack on my integrity by Leftwaffa pilot ‘MCos’…..I did in fact correctly predict here only last week, that Mexican Drug Cartels would seek to infiltrate government agencies and individuals in this country with bribes.

Lo & Behold….

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1390786960122388481

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May 10, 2021 8:40am
- MCos
  
  My despicable attack on your integrity was the day before yesterday.
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:01am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I will take that as both confirmation and an apology.
    
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    May 10, 2021 9:24am
    - MCos
      
      I was merely pointing out you were wrong again.
      However
      Please accept my expression of deep regret that any aspirtions may have been cast on your integrity
      
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      May 10, 2021 9:44am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Awww – thnx hon 😛
        
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        May 10, 2021 10:09am
      - Biscuit
        
        No, no, no, Maggie!
        
        DEMAND that when your ‘aspirtions’ are being disparaged that they are at least spelt correctly by the disparager!
        
        AspirAtions, MCos, heh heh…
        
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        May 10, 2021 10:27am
      - graham
        
        I suspect the word that MCos was searching for was “aspersions”. 🙂
        
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        May 10, 2021 11:15am
      - MCos
        
        That’s the one.
        I couldn’t see my spelling mistake for tears.
        
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        May 10, 2021 2:39pm
      - Biscuit
        
        MCos, I’d never knowingly reduce you, or any one, to tears.
        
        My putdowns are entirely tongue-in-cheek.
        
        Go back over a few of my posts in here and you will quickly find I am no one to quibble re typos/spelling errors!
        
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        May 10, 2021 5:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, any Ponsonby cafe owner who caters to the local affluent ‘white powder’ crowd will tell you how high the drug traffic goes.
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:27am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yeah, how high do you Ponsonby folk get?
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:18am
KevO'Brien

Models fail to predict climate change.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/05/09/why-models-cant-predict-temperature-a-history-of-failure/

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
This is a long and technical posting. If you don’t want to read it, don’t whine. CMB
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May 10, 2021 9:02am
- Bullion
  
  The models are fine, especially for short term, but the longer the time from their published date the assumptions on greenhouse gas emissions get more inaccurate. So the underlying understanding of the physics of warming and the various climate forcings are fairly sound.
  
  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-models-got-it-right-on-global-warming/
  
  Most of these models are long since obsolete, replaced by far more advanced generations. And yet, most of them were spot on in their projections of how much the Earth would warm in the years after they were published in response to greenhouse gas emissions. Fourteen out of 17 models were found to be accurate.
  
  The new study highlights a critically important, but sometimes overlooked, point about the way climate models work. The amount of warming they predict is a direct consequence of the greenhouse gas emissions they assume for the future. And accurately predicting carbon emissions is notoriously difficult—it depends on many human factors, including population growth, economic shifts and changes in the energy landscape.
  
  The study suggests that many of the models criticized in the past were accurately simulating the relationship between temperatures and greenhouse gases after all—it’s just that their assumptions about future carbon emissions didn’t match up with the emissions that were actually produced in the following years.
  
  In other words, if scientists went back and input the exact levels of greenhouse gas emissions that actually occurred after the models were published, their predictions about future warming would have been on point.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:06am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Anyone can create an entirely accurate model after the fact Bullion. The whole point of predictive modelling is to show how things are going to be in the future. If you are going to make extensive claims about how things are going to be, and insist that literally trillions need to be spent to ensure the modelled outcome doesn’t come to pass, then you better bloody well get your assumptions right. And don’t make excuses about how difficult it is. If it’s too hard, don’t make the predictions.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:47am
    - Bullion
      
      Many models from more than 30yrs ago would have not predicted things like the Montreal Protocol.
      
      So the idea is that are models getting the physics and forcings that impact climate fairly accurate, and yes they are. They test this by taking older models and using actual inputs rather than estimated, and do the actual inputs in the model result in predictions that match actual measured temperature changes – in this study 14/17 models were accurate in doing so.
      
      So, we shouldn’t be arguing (that much) whether models get the physics and forcings accurate.
      
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      May 10, 2021 12:02pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Bullion, it depends on which models they used in hindsight. It is very easy to cherry pick to get the answer you want after the fact. And because assumptions, there is a reasonable likelihood that those 14 models will be incorrect next time!
        
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        May 10, 2021 3:12pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      You’d be right if the models made predictions but they don’t. They make projections for different emission levels. And hindcasting shows the models are quite skilful.
      
      But so what? We don’t need models, we can see with our own eyes. (So can the wild animals – fish, birds and all.)
      
      Thousands of thermometers near the surface show the surface is warming, and thousands of thermometers on Argo floats show the oceans are warming – and that takes a lot of heat.
      
      No rational informed person denies manmade global warming/climate change.
      
      But this Kiwibog after all.
      
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      May 10, 2021 2:15pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Nice Doc, “No rational informed person denies manmade global warming/climate change”. Two fallacies in one sentence. Well done.
        
        There are a lot of rational, informed people that are entirely skeptical that man-made global warming is real. And thousands of thermometers don’t prove it is real. And nor do your eyes. I have eyes, and they don’t see what you see. Therefore there is doubt.
        
        In terms of predictions and projections, my bad, a slip of the keyboard. But the rest of the comment stands.
        
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        May 10, 2021 3:11pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    See this in rebuttal:
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/05/09/why-models-cant-predict-temperature-a-history-of-failure/
    
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    May 10, 2021 11:16am
    - Bullion
      
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-models-got-it-right-on-global-warming/
      
      One example is a famous climate model developed by NASA researcher James Hansen, whose congressional testimony on climate change in the 1980s helped catapult the issue into the public spotlight. Hansen’s 1988 model ultimately predicted about 50% more warming for the coming decades than actually occurred, giving fodder to skeptics’ arguments that scientists were exaggerating the issue of global warming.
      
      But the issue with Hansen’s model wasn’t its physics, Hausfather and colleagues point out. The model assumed higher emissions of methane and chlorofluorocarbons, both potent greenhouse gases, than actually occurred. That’s in part because the model did not account for the future impact of the Montreal Protocol, an international agreement to phase out the use of chlorofluorocarbons in an effort to reverse the ozone hole.
      
      “If you went back and reran that model with the actual levels of CO2 in the atmosphere and methane and chlorofluorocarbons, you would have gotten a value that was indistinguishable from the warming that we’ve actually observed,” Hausfather said.
      
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      May 10, 2021 11:23am
  - alloytoo
    
    So basically saying:
    
    We were completely wrong, absolutely useless for any purpose, but if we weren’t absolutely wrong, we would be only half wrong.
    
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    May 10, 2021 6:10pm
Yvette

Chris Bishop, March 24, 2021 on Facebook [1] says he made important speech in the House about the Trevor Mallard rape affair. – today I revealed the statement of claim filed by the man Trevor Mallard falsely accused of rape. … The statement of claim says that after Mr Mallard’s morning media interviews on the 22nd of May [2019] where he spoke of the rape claim, his staff advised him that claim was wrong. Despite that he repeated the claim later that day.

The morning interviews were in relation to the Francis Report. When Mallard “repeated the claim later that day” it was the relaunching of an investigation of the Staffer by Mr Rafael Gonzalez-Montero, General Manager of Parliamentary Services – an inquiry which is said to have involved the Police, who after investigating, did not lay any charges.

The Herald headline – Parliamentary Service boss refuses to settle employment dispute with man Speaker Mallard accused of rape – refers to legal action the Staffer took against his former employer: General Manager of Parliamentary Services, Gonzalez-Montero.

But it seems there is no media mention of the outcome of the inquiry reopened by Mr Rafael Gonzalez-Montero, announced on the afternoon May 22, 2019, when Mallard, despite already being advised by his staff that his claim was wrong, repeated that claim.

Where is any report of the renewed Gonzalez-Montero inquiry?
And, what was Mallard’s part, if any, in that inquiry – being Gonzalez-Montero’s manager, Mallard must have at least approved it or condoned it?

[1] https://www.facebook.com/NZNATS/posts/4626245624057663
[2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/parliamentary-service-boss-refuses-to-settle-employment-dispute-with-man-speaker-mallard-accused-of-rape/LYVLSOQMKD2BV67LZTHYJFKH34/
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May 10, 2021 9:05am
- Paulus
  
  Mallard is Gonzales-Montero’s boss remember.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:54am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING 🙁

Looks like London just got itself another 4 years of Khanage….

https://twitter.com/brexitblog_info/status/1391177295440879617
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May 10, 2021 9:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  A Red Island in a sea of Blue. The Torries will ensure the lions share of investment go to their new mates in the midlands and the north.
  
  London will continue to move towards shithole status everywhere other than the affluent suburbs
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:59am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yea, I was hoping the Sadiq Khan prick would get rolled. London is a shithole!
    
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    May 10, 2021 11:30am
Brian McDonald

Great news yesterday on the new self-testing for cervical cancer, there is expected to be higher uptake because of less invasive testing and longer-term, better results, meaning also less medical costs and time. Also the breast screen testing to swap from being a response to a programme of participation.
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May 10, 2021 9:21am
- RoboRob
  
  Gave you your sole thumbs up. I know you are not well liked here but it is good news 🙂
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:50am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Well, at least 16 KBers didn’t have a mother die of cervical cancer complications so very happy for those downtickers, it must be great.
  
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  May 10, 2021 11:07am
Brian McDonald

I can’t see any way this Government will go into an election with wage freezes in place, my guess is that it will be eventually unpicked probably relating to how the economy is going.
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May 10, 2021 9:25am
- RoboRob
  
  I don’t think they are real, and the unions know it. I believe most of the major State unions already negotiated pay increases over the next few years (something like 3% each year for the next 3 years).
  
  This is all a smoke screen to hide the fact that Labour is giving the unions $50,000 each to cover the ‘costs’ of their new ‘near’ compulory unionisation system (industry agreements).
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I agree..
  there will have to be a few carrots on offer.
  
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  May 10, 2021 2:30pm
I remember when

Another whoops.
Just going to say that the survey of Muslim views suggested that it is probable that considerably more Irish and white people abhor IRA/KKK actions.
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May 10, 2021 9:30am
I remember when

Feel better already.
It’s going to be another ‘Well Being’ Budget.
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May 10, 2021 9:32am
plc

Notice comedian Guy Williams found it ok to take the piss out of an elderly white man’s religous beliefs on his show NZ Today.

I wonder what his girlfriend Golly would have thought if instead of the Christian “God” it was Allah and Mohammed.

I don’t believe in any particular brand of sky fairy but I thought it enormously hypocritical of him as a paid up wokester to ridicule this man when we all know he wouldn’t dare do it to adherents of the so-called Religion of Peace
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May 10, 2021 9:34am
- mandk
  
  Comedian?
  
  Has he ever said anything droll or amusing?
  
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  May 10, 2021 9:53am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    What you said. I’ve yet to encounter anyone who finds this odious wanker even slightly funny.
    
    What a power couple they make. She: a useless liar. He: a useless “comedian”. The evening conversations must be other worldly.
    
    Please tell me they wont breed.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hopefully ‘useless’ at breeding
      
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      May 10, 2021 2:43pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The only person who laughs at Guy Williams’ jokes is Guy Williams.
    
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    May 10, 2021 5:19pm
- graham
  
  Haven’t seen the show, and I don’t know the example you’re talking about, but it’s not surprising – Guy Williams has form with this:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/guy-williams-regrets-brooke-fraser-gag-im-sorry-for-being-a-prat/5UVH6SOFSZU2FVHV6LULYEQ4EQ/
  
  From memory, his tweet went something like:
  
  “Brooke Fraser has won a Grammy!” – “YAAAAY!
  “For a Christian song.” – F*********K!”
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sky fairies do not exist, no matter what religion you think you are
    
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    May 10, 2021 2:47pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Let’s see your proof of that, Steve. 😉
      
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      May 10, 2021 7:53pm
      - Mike
        
        Um, the burden of proof lies with the one making the remarkable claim.
        
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        May 10, 2021 7:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You first.
        
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        May 11, 2021 7:47am
- mikenmildagain
  
  As it’s the same god, mocking Allah is exactly the same as mocking God.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:20am
  - RoboRob
    
    That’s not what the Muslims think Mike. They are happy to mock a Christian God but you try mocking Allah and see how far that gets you. People tend to get shot, knifed or blown up for making jokes about Allah. By all means give it a go 🙂
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:53am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The terrible Allah is not the God of the Christians.
    The Allah of the Koran is bloodthirsty and would have Christian killed or every Muslim killed who changed their mind.
    
    The Christian God is revealed in Jesus Christ, his birth, death and resurrection.
    
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    May 10, 2021 11:14am
  - Cassandra
    
    Actually no. Many Muslims claim that Allah is exclusively theirs. In some jurisdictions non- Muslims are not permitted to use the term Allah.
    
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    May 10, 2021 11:15am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The why do Islamic Extremists not murder all the Left wing people that mock God?
    
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    May 10, 2021 11:17am
- Yabster
  
  how does that “Guy” keep getting work- to be a comedian I would of thought that one of the most important skills would be to be funny?
  
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  May 10, 2021 12:35pm
Maggie Pie

NO one wearing a mask…. OR social distancing!

Do they not realise they could all die?

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1391429001889992707
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May 10, 2021 9:34am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I don’t know. Nobody goes near them aside from Biden Jnr so minimal risk really and nobody cares about Jnr . . .
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:30am
  - Batman
    
    Oh so now it’s Russia huh?
    
    That was a quick pivot to a new straw man now that the truth about the Russia story and the Trump campaign is slowly coming to light.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:33am
    - RoboRob
      
      Give it a rest Batman. The whole Russian thing was the subject of an extensive two year investigation. If you don’t like people talking about Biden jnr ’cause its a conspiracy’ please stop with the Russian ‘Conspiracy theory’.
      
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      May 10, 2021 10:55am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Copy of letter from Director of National Intelligence Ratcliffe
        “In response to your request for Intelligence Community (IC) information related to the
        Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Crossfire Hurricane Investigation, I have declassified the
        following:
        • In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians’ hacking of the Democratic National Committee. The IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.
        • According to his handwritten notes, former Central Intelligence Agency Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the “alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.”
        • On 07 September 2016, U.S. intelligence officials forwarded an investigative referral to FBI Director James Corney and Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok regarding “U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s approval of a plan concerning U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private mail server.”
        As referenced in his 24 September 2020 letter to your Committee, Attorney General Barr has advised that the disclosure of this information will not interfere with ongoing Department of Justice investigations.”
        https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/09-29-20_Letter%20to%20Sen.%20Graham_Declassification%20of%20FBI's%20Crossfire%20Hurricane%20Investigations_20-00912_U_SIGNED-FINAL.pdf
        
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        May 10, 2021 3:33pm
    - Nickc2
      
      NEWS FLAST BATMAN
      
      Enid Blyton has assumed to role of TV News Director at CNN.
      
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      May 10, 2021 11:23am
Happychappy

Robertson announces more money for Budget with the Finance Minister saying better economic performance will allow more spending in Budget.
There will be more spending and lower debt levels in 2021 Finance Minister Grant Robertson says.
Well I have to ask this question is the Finance Minister saying he will borrow more because he thinks the economy can handle it even though hes chucking money around like drunken sailors and even using one Billion Dollars left over from the Covid-19 fund that is already borrowed money and accounted Millions that have been payed out to Motel owners for damage caused by people in Emergency housing.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300303556/budget-2021-grant-robertson-announces-more-money-in-budget-but-wont-say-how-much
This madness by a Government out of control with it spending and coverups is dragging us towards countries like Venezuela and other poorer countries around the world.
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May 10, 2021 9:34am
- Paulus
  
  As far as housing is concerned if you throw Billions into the economy this is the best way to protect your share.
  I hear this morning that some $3 plus Billion worth of houses sold in the last month.
  Well done Ardern and Robertson.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:59am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The IRD would have had an unusually strong April, resulting in a significant increase in Tax payments during that month.
  This is due to DWT on dividends declared before the top tax rate went up.
  I hope those idiots don’t think it’s a long term trend and make decisions based on that.
  
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  May 10, 2021 11:20am
- Ruawai
  
  Sounds like a ponzi scheme, using debt to repay debt.
  
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  May 10, 2021 3:35pm
Yvette

Surely if the Treaty of Waitangi requires the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples to progress it in any way, then the Declaration not only challenges the Treaty, but in some aspects must breach it.

Similarly in its basic principles of partnership and protection afforded by the Treaty, in the context of the covid pandemic, where every New Zealander has the right to decide themselves whether to accept the vaccination or not, those principles of partnership and protect may not be meet.

Also missing is a legal and definitive definition of who is Maori or indigenous. And how either status effects supposed entitlement, like already mentioned in regard to Health: 16.5% of funding by population proportion, 25% as proposed, but with a possibility apparently of veto over the entire Health vote.

Just wondering
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May 10, 2021 9:45am
- surfing
  
  Good point, how does one become maori?
  
  I see a new money making opportunity by tribes, offering maori citizenship for 20k… would be worth it in a few years time.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:03am
  - kevn
    
    @surfing… Everyone should get a DNA test to check for a the (maybe) lucky factor. Just one 512th is all it needs to be.
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:15am
  - Paulus
    
    A few years ago to get Maori official lookin papers and details as to Iwi was only $750.
    Inflation.
    
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    May 10, 2021 11:03am
    - graham
      
      Nope – only costs $50 for a “Diplomatic Immunity Card” issued by TE-MOANA-NUI-A-KIWA EMBASSY, and it’s valid for 10 years! What a bargain!
      
      https://www.te-moana-nui-a-kiwa.com/
      
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      May 10, 2021 11:52am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The tribes don’t own citizenship of NZ. How can they grant tribal membership rights? A tatoo and a night out with a taniwha or eel for $70K?
    
    The prankster spirit of Maui is not one Pakeha NZ is much aware of. It can operate to take someone down by deception. A legitimate and pleasant sport providing you are not the victim.
    
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    May 10, 2021 11:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You just ‘identify’ as Moari, and you are one. Anything else would be racist
    
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    May 10, 2021 2:48pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  ‘in its basic principles of partnership and protection afforded by the Treaty’
  
  There is no partnership in the treaty.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:32am
  - Batman
    
    An agreement by two parties.
    
    But if one is a supremacist then sure…
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:34am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      It was a transfer of sovereignty (or governance) from one party to another. How is that a partnership?
      
      The main differences between the two Treaties were Sovereignty (English) vs Governance (Maori) and physical property (English) vs very loosely translated treasures (Maori). There is literally no mention of anything even remotely like partnership. Not a single word or mention, not even in the Maori text.
      
      While Governance and Sovereignty are different, they definitely both pass the power of who’s in charge to the Crown, not a partnership.
      
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      May 10, 2021 11:37am
    - Yabster
      
      an agreement is not a partnership wokster – as for the old supremacist comment about as effective as your often used racist one- yawn.
      
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      May 10, 2021 12:42pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “supremacist”….. Where do you dig this crap up from, the depths of a racist mind?
      
      How about regarding our ancestors, the European side of the treaty (well mine anyway), as benevolent? They attempted to stop the utu based tribal warfare, cannibilisation and the horrific treatment of young females within maoridom. They brought a race back from the brink of extinction from starvation, disease and utu based warfare. Sure, they made mistakes but for how long do we cripple a country seeking to address the wrongs from the distant past, both real and imagined?
      
      Sure, they were not overly successful with all that but 2 out of 3 ain’t bad I’ve heard.
      
      Many within maoridom have chosen to forget the purpose of the 1820 journey to London plus the efforts in the 1830’s to gain “protection” from the English crown.
      
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      May 10, 2021 1:02pm
      - Batman
        
        Benevolence as the founding intent is a naive dream! Sure there were good intentions but let’s not pretend that it was all in the name of benefitting humanity.
        
        Well the above comment was implying that the treaty is not a partnership, it was Crown domination of Māori. That is a near perfect example of supremacism whether the commenter intended it or not
        
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        May 10, 2021 1:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Not at all Batman and again, neither you nor I possess the faintest knowledge of the motivations of the Europeans of the time.
        
        You forget that Henry Williams was intimately involved at the time and all the writings from the time show him to be a man of integrity with an unconcealed affection for maori.
        
        The fact the one side of an agreement is vastly larger that the other pretty much makes most treaties and agreements liable to be described as having a “supremacist” party involved. If that is correct, it still does not negate the benefits gained by the minority party and the fact that we are still debating the rights, wrongs and actual intentions of a treaty signed almost 200 years ago proves beyond doubt that the treaty did in fact “save” maori as a race, despite their best efforts in the 1860’s to overturn that effort.
        
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        May 10, 2021 1:16pm
      - Batman
        
        Soooo, your claim about considering it as benevolent was in fact made up? Got it. Thanks.
        
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        May 10, 2021 1:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Batman, you boasted you’re very well paid, I’m now confused as I can’t see why.
        
        I never said they “were” benevolent I merely suggested you may want to view them as such considering what they achieved post treaty.
        
        You often make assumptions then react as if those assumptions are fact. That is lazy debating and if you were worth the many thousands you claim to be paid you would know that.
        
        Your asserion that they were “supremacist” is rather insulting to those who did their best at a time in our history that was not an easy time to dwell in NZ.
        
        I believe they attempted to do their best, you choose to believe that they had unpleasant and ulterior motives. I doubt many would choose to be labelled “supremacist.
        
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        May 10, 2021 5:53pm
      - Batman
        
        When on earth did I boast that? Probably just taking the piss ?
        
        Oh you’re reading FAR too much into my comment on order to try and win an imaginary commenting point.
        
        You are a slippery customer yourself, I’ll give you that.
        
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        May 10, 2021 8:24pm
  - Nickc2
    
    There is no partnership in the treaty
    
    EXACTLY!!!! If this is the sort of crap academics come up with, why do we bother to feed em?
    
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    May 10, 2021 11:11am
- Paulus
  
  How much of this new finding (Maori tax) will be provided for by those who accept that they are expected to use it.
  Maori should only be entitled in relation to how much tax they put in.
  
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  May 10, 2021 11:01am
  - Yabster
    
    won’t be a lot to dish out if that’s the case- most of the tribes are “charities” and pay no income tax.
    
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    May 10, 2021 12:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No no no no. It is an allowance, or pocket money like when you were a kid. You don’t have to do anything, it is just given to you
    
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    May 10, 2021 2:51pm
- chukar
  
  Maori are now largely a myth based race.
  Genetically, like almost all New Zealanders they are mostly now a mix of many many races. European,Asian and others.
  For anyone to seek priority and privilege on the basis that one set of genes arrived here first does not make any sense.
  There should be equal opportunity for all New Zealanders
  
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  May 10, 2021 12:23pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘There should be equal opportunity for all New Zealanders’ said Hobson more or less . . .
    
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    May 10, 2021 5:59pm
    - Mike
      
      He is widely thought to have said “we are now one people”, although this was not recorded until 50 years after the event, so is quite likely a romanticized invention.
      
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      May 10, 2021 6:22pm
cas

Just watched Jacinda deflecting from John Campbell’s questions this morning. She needs to tone down her use of the arms – looks like a helicopter starting to lift off. Almost as expressive as the Donald.
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May 10, 2021 9:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I never listen to her. But I sometimes watch her for a couple of minutes with the sound off.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:11am
  - Biscuit
    
    You be called ‘Strange’, Benedict, heh…
    
    I was similar with the Super Rugby Final, mind … watching the entire second half with Grant, Justin and Smithy on mute.
    
    If only I’d done the whole game that way, sniff, I’d have missed that execrable rendition of the National Anthem…
    
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    May 10, 2021 10:32am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Now all we need to do is put a “differently abled” person in front of her so that when she waves her arms around we can pretend she was mocking them.
  
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  May 10, 2021 11:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Except the Donald will be taking off ……
  Nice TDS deflection there
  
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  May 10, 2021 2:53pm
Ruawai

It seems Grant was too definitive saying public sector employees were going to get a pay freeze and people misunderstood him, it is just sort of a freeze with most still getting increases.
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May 10, 2021 9:56am
surfing

Peter Davis has gone all racist and proclaimed “All lives matter”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/peter-davis-maori-leadership-needed-on-health-equity-for-all/IWTIKHJY2A5IGDAG7EKBSLIYI4/

Maybe he is not an advocate of “He Puapua”?

It makes me sick how we are putting all this resource into maori who live in poverty but discarding poor non-maori .

Isn’t it funny how the book, “Animal Farm” is so apt in these times.
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May 10, 2021 9:58am
- sooty
  
  He only say’s what his wife tells him!
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Peter Davis is someone important? News to me
  
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  May 10, 2021 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

Speaking of ‘predictions’…what about this?

“They will create viruses and sell you the antidotes.
Thereafter, they will pretend to take time to find the solution when they already have it”
– Muammar Gaddafi. 2009.

https://mol.im/a/9556415
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May 10, 2021 10:04am
- kowtow
  
  Mags,
  
  The prick should have foreseen himself pulled out of a drain and shot.
  
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  May 10, 2021 1:35pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    If you research how Gaddafi actually died, a bullet would have been merciful.
    
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    May 10, 2021 4:48pm
kiwikidsnz

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/110320/chris-trotter-argues-labour-has-thrown-out-old-political-rule-book-and-new-game-they
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May 10, 2021 10:05am
- KevO'Brien
  
  An excellent warning of a bad change in direction by Ardern’s mob.
  
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  May 10, 2021 11:00am
  - sooty
    
    Is she in trouble when a lefty calls her out?
    
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    May 10, 2021 11:41am
I remember when

A lot of discussion about the truth of the Indian covid cases and deaths.
At the moment Worldometer shows India at 110th for deaths per million.
Are the figures being massaged. Who knows, however if they are then both the total cases and deaths are affected.
The graphs for both cases and deaths are in sync.
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May 10, 2021 10:10am
- Batman
  
  Cases and deaths both woefully underreported.
  
  The sheer number of deaths is a tragedy, regardless of the number per million in the country.
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    Or massively over reported.
    
    Who would honestly know, certainly not you or I.
    
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    May 10, 2021 12:44pm
    - Batman
      
      Only mad conspiracists would attempt to claim they’re over reported. There’s no evidence of such a thing, of course
      
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      May 10, 2021 1:14pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Only a mad man would claim that an absence of evidence is an evidence of absence, or course.
        
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        May 10, 2021 1:19pm
      - Tall Man
        
        No evidence of under reporting either or are you saying people of Indian descent aren’t to be trusted?
        
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        May 10, 2021 7:35pm
      - Batman
        
        Not an issue of trust. Merely an issue of India being a huge place with under-developed healthcare systems and a limited ability to deal with a crisis like this.
        
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        May 10, 2021 8:21pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Percentages would tell a different story, but the media like the huge numbers when they are out of context.
      1.3B people
      
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      May 10, 2021 2:58pm
  - gravedodger
    
    Nah Batman, Comrade Joe said one death was a tragedy, a million merely a statistic?
    
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    May 10, 2021 3:43pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Approximately 55,000 people die in India each and every day. Of this number approximately 7% (3,850) dies of respiratory disease. India has ~18% of the world population but 32% of the global burden of respiratory diseases.
  
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  May 10, 2021 1:16pm
- ISeeRed
  
  The left-leaning media are doing what they always do – exaggerating or misrepresenting a situation or incident to make a “right-wing” party or “populist” leader look as bad as possible. I know more than one Indian at work who are absolutely furious at Modi – as reported by international media.
  
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  May 10, 2021 4:54pm
kevn

India. One of the populous places on earth, big numbers for everything.
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May 10, 2021 10:23am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING TWITTER….

What color is this child?

Are KFC racist?

https://twitter.com/kfc/status/1391422715500797953

Some of the responses will shock you 🙁
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May 10, 2021 10:29am
- Rusty
  
  Maggie I assume that is a American KFC add. Are KFC targeting non-white people with junk food or is their a deeper racial symbolism going on here?
  
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  May 10, 2021 10:45am
- Ehlana
  
  If the child and its mother were any other colour, would anyone care? We’d just laugh at the idea that Mum thought she was getting chicken only to find her kid had eaten it all for her…
  
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  May 10, 2021 11:31am
Rusty

So our beloved PM wont go on any radio talk shows because they ask her hard questions but will go on music radio shows announcing her engagement or talk about other unimportant matters.

Your not going to get a music DJ ask her about the great reset or the economy right?
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May 10, 2021 10:51am
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis tweets…..

“I personally don’t know anybody who might be described as ‘Anorexic’. But I do admire it when I see twitter bezzie and well known plus-size Model Tess Holiday come out in support of those who are.”

https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1391396300554309637
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May 10, 2021 11:55am
- Don Beckett
  
  No silly. She’s saying that she has won her battle with anorexia.
  
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  May 10, 2021 1:09pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Must admit I did have to read it again Donald.
    Sort of like Laurel Hubbard saying she’s grown a vagina.
    
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    May 10, 2021 1:50pm
Tony Stuart

I know we tend to associate bottom lines with one Winston Raymond Peters, but Judith Collins set out a few bottom lines of her own yesterday:

The question of the role of the Treaty in our democracy today is complex, and one we need to discuss as a country. We are eager to have this discussion but let me put a few National Party bottom lines forward now. One Parliament must represent all the people of New Zealand. Government services need to be provided for all.

The Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, Kelvin Davis, has said the Government is devolving Oranga Tamariki decision making, power and resources to Māori. Kelvin Davis has said he agrees with the Waitangi Tribunal that if the Crown takes a Māori child who is in danger into its care, this is a breach of the Treaty.[10]

I do not agree. The Government needs to protect all children. New Zealand loses a child to murder every five weeks. This is a national shame. There is no way that the state can remove itself from the duty to care of any child at risk. Every child, irrespective of ethnicity, deserves a safe life.

Labour’s justice working group has recommended separate justice systems.[11] The Government needs to give justice to all victims. There is no way the Government can remove itself from the duty to seek justice for all.

National believes the foreshore and seabed belongs to everyone and is owned by no one. Water belongs to everyone and is owned by no one. The Conservation estate belongs to everyone.

This is what National believes. The operation of Government is serious. Government services must protect and provide for all.

New Zealand’s 2040 vision must be of a confident country moving forward, together, founded on the Treaty of Waitangi; honouring the Treaty and the rights given to all the people of New Zealand. A shared history; complex as it is.

https://www.national.org.nz/speech-to-lower-north-island-regional-conference

It’s great to see Judith front-footing this, emphasising that National believes in one law for all New Zealanders, regardless of their ethnicity. With the various clusters that Labour had to deal with last week, the next round of polls will be interesting.
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May 10, 2021 11:56am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  One law for all, we are all NZers…Tony ol’ boy, these are slogans from previous generations. Now it is cool to be Maori, throw some Maori words around and have separate everything Maori. So get on with the flow baby! Ka mahue koe i muri tama!
  
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  May 10, 2021 12:13pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It might be “cool”, but that doesn’t make separatism right. There are lots of hoha people out there!~
    
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    May 10, 2021 1:23pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Judith Collins’ bottom lines are not worth the paper they are written. Nobody is bothered.
  
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  May 10, 2021 12:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Possibly tongue in cheek but bullshit either way.
    
    What happens within the media over the next few weeks/months will show what her words are worth.
    
    I think that you will see a greater level of desperation from ardern and the government resulting in more baby, fishermen, wedding, neve deflections from her ably endorsed by a worthless media.
    
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    May 10, 2021 1:09pm
  - Yabster
    
    least she has bottom lines Labour has no bottom…
    
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    May 10, 2021 1:53pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Or lines 😀
      
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      May 10, 2021 2:15pm
      - plc
        
        Jethro: “Hold My Beer”
        
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        May 10, 2021 3:02pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Ardern will be. She is being lined up.
    
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    May 10, 2021 5:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  However, should maori wish to negotiate an area within NZ that they seek to use as a separate entity I have no problem with that.
  
  All inhabitants would become the responsibility of that state without input, fiscal or otherwise, from the rest of NZ. Residents of that enclave would never be eligible for any contributions for anything, health, justice or infrastructure wise.
  
  Then let’s see how many would want to vacate NZ for a tribal based aotearoa depending on their own resources contained within their borders.
  
  Or we could just stop the race baiting crap from within a tiny minority of maoridom and get on with taking NZ back to being a world leader in most aspects.
  
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  May 10, 2021 12:50pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Yes, let’s restore the original meaning of “Aotearoa” and let the part-time Polynesians have all the North Island to themselves, while the rest of us make the South Island the Switzerland of the South Pacific.
    
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    May 10, 2021 4:57pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Auckland Island is available but they will have to provide their own transport.
    
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    May 10, 2021 5:09pm
- kowtow
  
  Any mention of unelected Maori seats on local council ?
  
  That’s a major change to the constitution and must be rolled back.
  
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  May 10, 2021 12:52pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Collins mentioned that earlier in her speech as an example of Labour’s subtefuge in passing laws, often under urgency, on issues they had not campaigned on:
    
    The Government has, without consultation and against official advice, passed a law allowing councils to urgently create Māori wards for the 2022 local government elections. This can now be done without councils consulting the people in their districts, even if those districts previously voted against Māori wards. This was a recommendation of He Puapua.
    
    National has already committed to rolling this back.
    
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    May 10, 2021 1:26pm
    - kowtow
      
      Good stuff.
      TY
      
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      May 10, 2021 1:33pm
    - Keith White
      
      I have committed to losing weight by eating less. I doubt National’s commitment will see any different result.
      
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      May 10, 2021 8:36pm
JibberJabber

Thomas Sowell

There are few ideas more potent than the notion that all your problems are caused by other people and their unfairness to you. That was the royal road to unbridled power for Hitler, Lenin, and Mao—which is to say, millions of human beings paid with their lives for believing it.
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May 10, 2021 12:01pm
oldfella

The NZ Ferald has a story behind their paywall which says NZ Rugby has taken a huge hit on their Sky investment.
Wonder if that will impact the proposed Silver Lake deal?
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May 10, 2021 12:38pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Does anyone know how NZ Cricket did with their investment in Spark for the domestic cricket tv coverage?
  Was it a 6 for them?
  Us’ ns here know a lot more now about Aussie and Indian cricket than we did before.
  NZ – not so much…..
  
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  May 10, 2021 1:37pm
  - MCos
    
    I think Spark invested in NZC, not the other way round.
    The people that dipped out were Sky and the fans.
    There ain’t much left on Sky Sport now that the Crusaders have won again except NRL, Netball & a few more rugby games and some bits and pieces.
    Even the rugby is pretty bland if you haven’t got a dog in the fight.
    
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    May 10, 2021 3:50pm
Maggie Pie

ZBNews reports….”ACC pays out more than a million dollars in Bonuses to it’s top executives.”

So what’s with Robbo’s ‘wage-freeze’ on Nurses? LOL!!
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May 10, 2021 1:41pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Maggie it is the money but there are other hidden consequences the leaders can’t see for some reason.
  Nurses are going to become a really interesting work environment over the next twelve months.
  The Queensland nurses union conducted a survey of 1,000 nurses and asked if the covid vaccine should be compulsory for nurses.
  Came back with a staggering 73% saying no.
  With a massive ongoing shortage of nurses, it will be a brave person that imposes draconian Hitler type laws, many may walk if this survey was even half right.
  Forcing partly tested experimental drugs on health professionals isn’t a good look, underpaying them will encourage them to seek a new pay avenue, Robertson is playing Russian Roulette, needs to look across the ditch and start making rational decisions, or close the border to health workers. That would fix it.
  
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  May 10, 2021 2:37pm
nathie

Current Stuff headline: “Government in damage control over public sector pay freeze ahead of meeting with union”

Oh oh, so what’s the Govt going to do?

Oh look at that – another Stuff headline: “Jacinda Ardern reveals location of summer wedding to Clarke Gayford “

You.could.not.make.this.up!

(Well obviously Labour and Ardern can)!

Another bad (govt) news day = another announcement of an announcement of a wedding!
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May 10, 2021 2:40pm
Bobba Fret

“Trouble at Mill” for Labour.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300303904/government-in-damage-control-over-public-sector-pay-freeze-ahead-of-meeting-with-union
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May 10, 2021 3:09pm
Bobba Fret

Multiple stabbings in a Dunedin supermarket being reported.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/reports-of-multiple-stabbings-at-dunedin-supermarket-screams-heard/T4BYP6H77XB6D6TGLTTYTVKWJI/
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May 10, 2021 3:20pm
- Swifty
  
  It appears to me that violence in NZ has just exploded in the last few years.
  
  Compared to when I was a kid in the 70s our country is just a different planet.
  
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  May 10, 2021 3:35pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Sadly Swiftly, the world is very different, knives are now carried throughout the world.
    The tighter the gun control,the knife becomes the weapon of choice.
    US knife murders are just 10%, Northern Europe is 45% in parts.
    NZ it is rare to see Knife homicides as opposed to Gun deaths, this will change as it has in Australia where 40% of homicides are now knife related.
    Very hard to police knives unless authorities are checking for them consistently.
    
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    May 10, 2021 5:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Knives and guns. In my day it was just a smack behind the woodshed. I got a few, I gave a few
    
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    May 10, 2021 5:17pm
    - Swifty
      
      Carrying a knife was a sign of cowardice.
      
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      May 10, 2021 5:38pm
      - Mike
        
        I’d rather the crims had knives than guns. Remember Sean Connery in The Untouchables?
        
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        May 10, 2021 6:32pm
      - Keith White
        
        Knives are very difficult to defend against and are statistically more lethal than a handgun at close range. They are also easier to run away from. And unless you’re Willie Garvin, they are not distance weapons.
        
        Here’s a marine on how to counter a knife attack:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvlrnc7hlQI
        
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        May 10, 2021 8:39pm
- Rumblestrip
  
  The guy walked right past me on the street in North Dunedin a couple of hours before the stabbings – absolutely 100% certain of it. He had a distinctive t-shirt and hair that caught my eye.
  
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  May 10, 2021 7:43pm
Swifty

This is the New Zealand I love and I hope it never changes, for I think there are some things worth conserving:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7TBR907qp4

This is why I am (a) conservative.
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May 10, 2021 3:22pm
- ISeeRed
  
  The New Zealand I grew up in and will never see return:
  
  https://youtu.be/WtBbwb-9qnk
  
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  May 10, 2021 5:02pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder what the motive was?

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/breaking-five-hurt-dunedin-stabbing-attack
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May 10, 2021 3:25pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Mentally ill loner” you can be sure of it.
  
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  May 10, 2021 3:46pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Notice how it’s always a ‘Countdown’?
  
  Just saying.
  
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  May 10, 2021 3:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Chuck, ‘sons of anarchy I suppose’.
  
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  May 10, 2021 3:52pm
- Maggie's partner
  
  [No. Speculation. – Mod]
  
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  May 10, 2021 3:59pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Don’t forget to call into the dairy for some cream.
    
    And better check to see what we owe Rahool for last month.
    
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    May 10, 2021 5:44pm
Loddenthinks

Oh, so that’s why they do what they do – who knew? An academic and former “professor of indigenous studies” at AUT, Dr David Taonui, has this piece of utter bullshit on Newshub a few days ago:

“Gangs have been responsible for murders, rapes, high levels of domestic abuse, sometimes sexual abuse, drug dealing, but we have to remember that the Māori gangs came into existence during the 1960’s as a result of the theft of Māori land, the suppression of Māori culture, particularly te reo Māori and the urbanisation of impoverished Māori families,” Taonui said.

The Mongrel Mob wasn’t formed in Hawkes Bay 50 years ago because of “land theft, suppression of Maori culture including speaking Maori, or the urbanisation of impoverished Maori families” you muppet. It was formed to achieve notoriety and intimidation of its enemies i.e. other gangs and the Police, and they were as far from impoverished urban centres as you can get. Porangahau is a long way from the nearest city – 100km to Hastings, 150 to Palmerston North.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/05/discussion-around-new-zealand-gangs-must-remember-land-theft-cultural-suppression-which-led-to-their-formation-academic.html
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May 10, 2021 3:43pm
- Swifty
  
  Rawiri Taonui is an extremist and race-hustler.
  
  His coin depends on division and grievance. If all Maori were up and standing on their own two feet, he’d have nothing to grizzle about and no income source.
  
  That’s why he and his fellow travellers perpetuate this grievance, renew it at every opportunity and continually stoke the fires of resentment.
  
  Their livelihoods depend on it.
  
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  May 10, 2021 3:54pm
- Swifty
  
  See JibberJabber’s Sowell quote from Noon today.
  
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  May 10, 2021 3:55pm
- graham
  
  Loddenthinks, this actually came up a few days ago and several commenters here pointed out what utter bilgewater this was.
  
  Hopefully someone can point us all to it. I pointed to a document which stated:
  
  The Mob began in the early 1960s as a small group of predominantly Pakeha youths from Wellington and Hawke’s Bay who went on to establish the gang’s name and some of its defining behaviours and symbols.
  
  https://aucklanduniversitypress.co.nz/content/9781869407292.pdf
  
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  May 10, 2021 4:14pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Bullshit so thick only an “academic” would believe it.
  
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  May 10, 2021 5:11pm
JibberJabber

The death knell for Terrorism, home and abroad,

https://babylonbee.com/news/cia-replaces-waterboarding-with-12-hour-lectures-on-intersectional-feminism

Terror suspects will be subjected to lengthy lectures about cis-male privilege, heteronormative patriarchy, and microaggressive mansplaining. Sources say these lectures are 1,282% more effective than regular old waterboarding.

Peace in our time…
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May 10, 2021 3:54pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/125084094/terrifying-tourist-clings-on-as-glassbottomed-bridge-shatters-in-china
“Made in China”.
Scary words.
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May 10, 2021 4:31pm
Aunty

Good news, everybody. The Government vaccinated five more people for Covid today. It would have been six, but one of the vaccinators called in sick.
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May 10, 2021 5:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our open and transparent Government spin, spin, spinning….

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/government-sat-for-nearly-a-week-on-key-information-about-border-worker-who-hadn-t-been-tested-for-five-months.html
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May 10, 2021 7:01pm
- Happychappy
  
  Not just sat on it blatantly lied about it also , how can our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern deceive and lie about this for days and deserve to get respect from those that have been called out for asking the questions. I hope Judith Collins goes all out on her because if you can’t trust your Prime Minister to tell the truth why would trust anyone else working for Labour.
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:03pm
MrTips

What the actual ?????
Is this guy insane? Perverted?
Words fail me.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/05/number-one-shoes-employee-arrested-over-alleged-covert-sexual-acts-with-coworkers-shoes-for-fetish-site.html
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May 10, 2021 7:08pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  De-rigueur in Palmy of course 😛
  
  Perverted?
  Like my partner just said, “As least they were girls shoes”
  
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  May 10, 2021 8:09pm
  - Swifty
    
    Oh no, boys too.
    
    He wasn’t fussy.
    
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    May 10, 2021 8:17pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Alas, I read the entire article…seems the chap did similar to a male colleague’s shoes.
    
    But really, did Newshub need to add:
    Newshub has chosen not to publish these photos.?
    
    I’m sure they couldn’t legally do so.
    
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    May 10, 2021 8:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thank goodness he didn’t work for the opposition.
    
    LOL!!
    
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    May 10, 2021 8:50pm
    - Swifty
      
      Kumpfs?
      
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      May 10, 2021 9:47pm
Mike

I hadn’t seen the 2007 episoe of the Simpsons ‘Stop or my dog will shoot’, but it provides another example of the show’s prescience with a fine example of Rudy Giuliani word salad.
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